Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:27:37 -0800 John Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > Just as his good buddy Earnie Eves. :-) Ernie Eves?! He's about as far from me philosophically as you can get, man! -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Your picture of the world often changes just before you get it into focus. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On November 4, 2003 08:12 am, Eric Huff wrote: > > > yup > > > > LOL! yup it's something different, or yup that's what LSB means? > > Now you're scaring me, man! Haywire's main role in life is to scare as many people as he can. Just as his good buddy Earnie Eves. :-) ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
The sequel to RH 9 is Fedora, next issue is ???. Still free. See: http://fedora.redhat.com/ Severn is the code name. RCT Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
> The difference in libs between RH7.3 (MDK 8.2 time) and now are so great > as to make a number of older compiled binaries choke. The biggest > difference is that RH7.3(MDK8.2) is compiled with gcc2.9x and now it's > gcc3.x The incompatibility is there. Remember that the distro's aren't > Linux, but rather packagers of Linux. So they are subject to the > problems there. Of course we're talking of Linux as a distro, not the kernel. Well, this kind of slight (or not slight?) backwards incompatibility has always been a bit of disappointment. And frankly, redhat 7.3 lives on my /dev/hda4 just to run than juno6!!! :-) But hey - there are at least 300 _known_ distros, so what can you do... Oh - 300 and one! I just remembered that I recently made my own Linux from scratch on a 128 MB FlashIDE disk :-) And, by the way, my installer is very fast and simple: dd /mnt/cdrom/disk.img /dev/hda1 :-) Artemio. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 08:17, Artemio wrote: > > This must be due to Mandrake's signing on to the LSB? Or is that > > something different? > > Well, I didn't mean I had any problems compiling anything on mdk. > > I just say cookers must keep this good thing!!! :-) > > Maybe I'm not exactly correct, but there should be a binary compatibility as > well. Because sometimes you have an old, old binary that you can't get > sources of and it simply doesn't work - segfaults all the time. But all other > binaries from rh 7.3 work fine. > > I have one old but great software synthesizer - juno6. It was released by some > guys for free, but not opensource. It runs on redhat 7.3 perfectly but on > mandrake it crashes immediately with a segfault. > The difference in libs between RH7.3 (MDK 8.2 time) and now are so great as to make a number of older compiled binaries choke. The biggest difference is that RH7.3(MDK8.2) is compiled with gcc2.9x and now it's gcc3.x The incompatibility is there. Remember that the distro's aren't Linux, but rather packagers of Linux. So they are subject to the problems there. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 08:01, Eric Huff wrote: > > > This must be due to Mandrake's signing on to the LSB? Or is that > > > something different? > > > > yup > > Would that be a yup to the LSB, or a yup to something different? I could be a real a$$ and just say yup here again. But it's IMHO a combination of MDK moving more in line with the LSB. and the developers recognizing that LSB is real and leveraging it. James > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
Guitar for 20 years keyboards for 5... -Original Message- From: Artemio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line Lawson, Jim wrote: > juno6 was a cool keyboard. Yes... Aghh... those sweet analogues... :-) So, are you a keyboard player? Just asking because I am (since 13 years). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
Lawson, Jim wrote: > juno6 was a cool keyboard. Yes... Aghh... those sweet analogues... :-) So, are you a keyboard player? Just asking because I am (since 13 years). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
juno6 was a cool keyboard. -Original Message- From: Artemio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line > This must be due to Mandrake's signing on to the LSB? Or is that > something different? Well, I didn't mean I had any problems compiling anything on mdk. I just say cookers must keep this good thing!!! :-) Maybe I'm not exactly correct, but there should be a binary compatibility as well. Because sometimes you have an old, old binary that you can't get sources of and it simply doesn't work - segfaults all the time. But all other binaries from rh 7.3 work fine. I have one old but great software synthesizer - juno6. It was released by some guys for free, but not opensource. It runs on redhat 7.3 perfectly but on mandrake it crashes immediately with a segfault. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
Eric Huff wrote: > > > yup > > > > LOL! yup it's something different, or yup that's what LSB means? > > Now you're scaring me, man! Damn, this thread is LOL!!! Keep on chatting, guys! :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
> This must be due to Mandrake's signing on to the LSB? Or is that > something different? Well, I didn't mean I had any problems compiling anything on mdk. I just say cookers must keep this good thing!!! :-) Maybe I'm not exactly correct, but there should be a binary compatibility as well. Because sometimes you have an old, old binary that you can't get sources of and it simply doesn't work - segfaults all the time. But all other binaries from rh 7.3 work fine. I have one old but great software synthesizer - juno6. It was released by some guys for free, but not opensource. It runs on redhat 7.3 perfectly but on mandrake it crashes immediately with a segfault. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
> > yup > > LOL! yup it's something different, or yup that's what LSB means? Now you're scaring me, man! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:58:27 -0800 Jack Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > Man, nobody reads my mind properly... I guess the AFDB is working :-) > > Yup, it's LSB. standard file system, standard compiler and glibc > conventions. Gotcha, thanks! -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ It is not doing the thing we like to do, but liking the thing we have to do, that makes life blessed. -- Goethe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
> > This must be due to Mandrake's signing on to the LSB? Or is that > > something different? > > yup Would that be a yup to the LSB, or a yup to something different? -- Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 07:49, HaywireMac wrote: > On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:38:30 -0800 > Jack Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > yup > > LOL! yup it's something different, or yup that's what LSB means? Man, nobody reads my mind properly... I guess the AFDB is working :-) Yup, it's LSB. standard file system, standard compiler and glibc conventions. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:38:30 -0800 Jack Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > yup LOL! yup it's something different, or yup that's what LSB means? -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Of all men's miseries, the bitterest is this: to know so much and have control over nothing. -- Herodotus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 07:22, HaywireMac wrote: > On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:15:17 +0200 > Artemio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > The main thing for mdk cookers to keep in mind is > > compatibility with other distros - just to be sure there will be no > > problems compiling sources. > > I must say, for all the blabber I hear about Mandrake not following > those standards, I have not had a problem since 9.0 with building > anything from source due to non-standard locations of shared objects, > with one exception: pygtk2. but even that was apparently resolved in > 9.1, because I didn't have to ./configure --prefix=/usr as I had before. > > This must be due to Mandrake's signing on to the LSB? Or is that > something different? yup -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:15:17 +0200 Artemio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > The main thing for mdk cookers to keep in mind is > compatibility with other distros - just to be sure there will be no > problems compiling sources. I must say, for all the blabber I hear about Mandrake not following those standards, I have not had a problem since 9.0 with building anything from source due to non-standard locations of shared objects, with one exception: pygtk2. but even that was apparently resolved in 9.1, because I didn't have to ./configure --prefix=/usr as I had before. This must be due to Mandrake's signing on to the LSB? Or is that something different? -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ If we do not change our direction we are likely to end up where we are headed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
I like mandrake 9.0. 9.1 was disappointing. I hope as soon as the ISO are ready I can download and try 9.2. If its better than 9.0 and 9.1 I will buy it. I really like the way I can download things and install them with out a problem on Red hat. Mandrake must use different places they store files in. Cause every time I download a rpm and install it the program never works. I have to uninstall it. I really like the urpmi. It is so cool. -Original Message- From: Artemio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line > Lawson, Jim wrote: > > What does this mean for the future of Mandrake? > > I know that Mandrake is based on red hat's rpm's.. > Franki wrote: > No, The reason I moved to mandrake was that it is not redhat. :-) I had RH 7.3 running for more than a year. Then RH 8.0 came out and it was crap. Then I tried mdk 9.0 and was impressed but was too lazy to migrate. Then I installed mdk 9.1 and - uhmmm, interesting. I didn't even think to look at RH 9.0. And finally with 9.2 - it got me! - I migrated my whole thing (development, databases etc.) to it and I'm very happy! > I imagine this is good news for mandrake as there will be a ton of > redhat users looking around for a new distro... Yes, I just talked to a friend of mine that keeps on using RedHats and I told him: what will you do? He said "I dunno...". Then I offered him mandrake to try out... :-) I think mandrake has a great future as a world's no.1 desktop, multimedia and development distro. The main thing for mdk cookers to keep in mind is compatibility with other distros - just to be sure there will be no problems compiling sources. Artemio. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
> Lawson, Jim wrote: > > What does this mean for the future of Mandrake? > > I know that Mandrake is based on red hat's rpm's.. > Franki wrote: > No, The reason I moved to mandrake was that it is not redhat. :-) I had RH 7.3 running for more than a year. Then RH 8.0 came out and it was crap. Then I tried mdk 9.0 and was impressed but was too lazy to migrate. Then I installed mdk 9.1 and - uhmmm, interesting. I didn't even think to look at RH 9.0. And finally with 9.2 - it got me! - I migrated my whole thing (development, databases etc.) to it and I'm very happy! > I imagine this is good news for mandrake as there will be a ton of > redhat users looking around for a new distro... Yes, I just talked to a friend of mine that keeps on using RedHats and I told him: what will you do? He said "I dunno...". Then I offered him mandrake to try out... :-) I think mandrake has a great future as a world's no.1 desktop, multimedia and development distro. The main thing for mdk cookers to keep in mind is compatibility with other distros - just to be sure there will be no problems compiling sources. Artemio. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
I hope so. -Original Message- From: Franki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line Lawson, Jim wrote: > What does this mean for the future of Mandrake? > I know that Mandrake is based on red hat's rpm's.. No, That used to be the case.. nowdays mandrake rolls its own RPM's and has for some time now... I imagine this is good news for mandrake as there will be a ton of redhat users looking around for a new distro... rgds Franki -- Please sign our petition to encourage notebook manufacturers to offer video card upgrades just like desktops. http://www.petitiononline.com/inspiron/petition.html For free scripts, online webmaster tools, HTML, XHTML, Perl & PHP tutorials and stuff, visit: http://htmlfixit.com, Free web developer resources. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
Lawson, Jim wrote: What does this mean for the future of Mandrake? I know that Mandrake is based on red hat's rpm's.. No, That used to be the case.. nowdays mandrake rolls its own RPM's and has for some time now... I imagine this is good news for mandrake as there will be a ton of redhat users looking around for a new distro... rgds Franki -- Please sign our petition to encourage notebook manufacturers to offer video card upgrades just like desktops. http://www.petitiononline.com/inspiron/petition.html For free scripts, online webmaster tools, HTML, XHTML, Perl & PHP tutorials and stuff, visit: http://htmlfixit.com, Free web developer resources. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
Er, not really. The RPM standard is GPL and many distributions use it for packaging. When Mandrake got its start it was basically RH compiled for i586 with KDE installed, but things have changed since 1998 or so. msec, urpmi, the Drak tools, different handling of internationalization, it's not RH any more. On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 06:37, Lawson, Jim wrote: > What does this mean for the future of Mandrake? > I know that Mandrake is based on red hat's rpm's.. > > James S. Lawson > Network Manager > Brown Raysman Millstein Felder & Steiner > 900 Third Avenue > New York, NY 10022 > Tel: (212) 895-2679 > (@ @) > oOO--(_)--OOo- > > Notice: This message, and any attached file, is intended only for the > use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may > contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not > the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. > Nothing in this e-mail message should be construed as a legal opinion. > If you have received this communication in error, please notify us > immediately by reply e-mail and delete all copies of the original > > > __ > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
