Re: [expert] microsoft dirty tricks
On Sunday 02 Nov 2003 10:14 am, Richard Bown wrote: Thanks Thomas I drive over after lunch and attack the machine again, and post the data to the group as well as yourself. I still have this gut feeling about microsoft, for instance on a machine with 2 HDs one has winxp on it the other MDK 9.1 if you mount the drive with winxp on it then as root attempt to list the contents .Why should you get permission denied messages. this dos'nt happen with win2000 which is also ntfs . it dos'nt explain why on install you can get a failure to write the partition table to the mbr. Sounds to me like there's a couple of BIOS settings that you need to change. Switch the Virus Protection (stop software trying to write the boot sector, partition table, mbr) off. You can switch it back on when the install is finished. Check the O/S is PNP option. ISTR the correct setting is off for Linux and On for Windows. I may be wrong here. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] microsoft dirty tricks
Richard Urwin wrote: On Sunday 02 Nov 2003 10:14 am, Richard Bown wrote: Thanks Thomas I drive over after lunch and attack the machine again, and post the data to the group as well as yourself. I still have this gut feeling about microsoft, for instance on a machine with 2 HDs one has winxp on it the other MDK 9.1 if you mount the drive with winxp on it then as root attempt to list the contents .Why should you get permission denied messages. this dos'nt happen with win2000 which is also ntfs . it dos'nt explain why on install you can get a failure to write the partition table to the mbr. Sounds to me like there's a couple of BIOS settings that you need to change. Switch the Virus Protection (stop software trying to write the boot sector, partition table, mbr) off. You can switch it back on when the install is finished. Check the O/S is PNP option. ISTR the correct setting is off for Linux and On for Windows. I may be wrong here. For Windows 2000 and Windows XP the bios should be set to off. Larry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- - Abit VP6 Dual Pentium III 1GHz Mandrake 9.2 Kernel 2.4.22-18mdkenterprise SMP - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] microsoft dirty tricks
Hi got 9.2 on that thing at last, noapic and acpi=off ( OK Greg :) ) BUT it took 3 installs to do it, first bombed out loading an object file for newt the second just hung after selecting the files to load third time it went in , each time was an install and each time all partitions were formatted. MOBO= ASROCK K7S8X The Alsa drivers for the integral sound card only half function. /dev/dsp fails the alternate drivers ali5455, nvaudio and the 810 oss driver do not function at all. the card is listed as a Cmedia ac97, harddrake finds SIS 7012. There are no linux drivers on the asrock site. ! mobo to stay clear off Richard -- Richard Bown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] microsoft dirty tricks
On Sunday 02 November 2003 01:01 pm, Richard Bown wrote: Hi got 9.2 on that thing at last, noapic and acpi=off ( OK Greg :) ) Hey, hey, great news!! Thanks for sticking with it, your friend won't be sorry. Don't forget to send Tom the dmesg output so he can get the install kernel to recognize that board correctly. BUT it took 3 installs to do it, first bombed out loading an object file for newt the second just hung after selecting the files to load third time it went in , each time was an install and each time all partitions were formatted. Strange, could be a difficult to read cd or a flaky cd-rom drive. It's not an LG is it? MOBO= ASROCK K7S8X POS :-) The Alsa drivers for the integral sound card only half function. /dev/dsp fails the alternate drivers ali5455, nvaudio and the 810 oss driver do not function at all. the card is listed as a Cmedia ac97, harddrake finds SIS 7012. There are no linux drivers on the asrock site. That board has got a Sis 745 southbridge with an AC '97 codec, and according to the ALSA project website, is not supported yet. Check the soundcard matrix here: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ It might be worthwhile to pick up a $15 SB or something. ! mobo to stay clear off I generally do not like boards with Sis chipsets. Believe it or not, I have had the most good luck with VIA. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] microsoft dirty tricks
On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 11:15, Greg Meyer wrote: On Sunday 02 November 2003 01:01 pm, Richard Bown wrote: Hi got 9.2 on that thing at last, noapic and acpi=off ( OK Greg :) ) Hey, hey, great news!! Thanks for sticking with it, your friend won't be sorry. Don't forget to send Tom the dmesg output so he can get the install kernel to recognize that board correctly. BUT it took 3 installs to do it, first bombed out loading an object file for newt the second just hung after selecting the files to load third time it went in , each time was an install and each time all partitions were formatted. Strange, could be a difficult to read cd or a flaky cd-rom drive. It's not an LG is it? MOBO= ASROCK K7S8X POS :-) The Alsa drivers for the integral sound card only half function. /dev/dsp fails the alternate drivers ali5455, nvaudio and the 810 oss driver do not function at all. the card is listed as a Cmedia ac97, harddrake finds SIS 7012. There are no linux drivers on the asrock site. That board has got a Sis 745 southbridge with an AC '97 codec, and according to the ALSA project website, is not supported yet. Check the soundcard matrix here: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ It might be worthwhile to pick up a $15 SB or something. ! mobo to stay clear off I generally do not like boards with Sis chipsets. Believe it or not, I have had the most good luck with VIA. Same luck here with SIS no matter what OS. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] microsoft dirty tricks
On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 19:15, Greg Meyer wrote: On Sunday 02 November 2003 01:01 pm, Richard Bown wrote: Hi got 9.2 on that thing at last, noapic and acpi=off ( OK Greg :) ) Hey, hey, great news!! Thanks for sticking with it, your friend won't be sorry. Don't forget to send Tom the dmesg output so he can get the install kernel to recognize that board correctly. I've sent Tom the files direct BUT it took 3 installs to do it, first bombed out loading an object file for newt the second just hung after selecting the files to load third time it went in , each time was an install and each time all partitions were formatted. Strange, could be a difficult to read cd or a flaky cd-rom drive. It's not an LG is it? I wish it was as simple as that, its a new machine (2 days old) , one with a dvd drive and a cdrw, both drives were used. MOBO= ASROCK K7S8X POS :-) The Alsa drivers for the integral sound card only half function. /dev/dsp fails the alternate drivers ali5455, nvaudio and the 810 oss driver do not function at all. the card is listed as a Cmedia ac97, harddrake finds SIS 7012. There are no linux drivers on the asrock site. That board has got a Sis 745 southbridge with an AC '97 codec, and according to the ALSA project website, is not supported yet. Check the soundcard matrix here: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ It might be worthwhile to pick up a $15 SB or something. ! mobo to stay clear off I generally do not like boards with Sis chipsets. Believe it or not, I have had the most good luck with VIA. I've a VIA chipset on this machine with no probs, but I had a hell of a game with a HD that had winxp on it, now strange as it seems, an identical HD sits in this machine, 60GB, as the one that gave probs and it went in as smoooth as a 18yr old Islay malt slides down the throat. I'm convinced MS are up to something , and its not an excuse to cover my incompetence as suggested off line. The last time another OS came near to giving them a run for their money, they played very dirty. Richard -- Richard Bown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Bown wanted us to know: I really must disagree with you on this Greg, if this was so , how come I can move a drive thats had winxp, into a machine thats happily running linux and get problems on an install, normally when the partition table is written ?? I'd say you have Virus Protection set to Yes in the BIOS. - -- Blue skies... Todd | Get a bigger hammer! | PPPoE: the internet for people who| | http://www.mrball.net | don't want the Internet. | | http://faq.mrball.net | --Aaron Lehmann | Linux kernel 2.4.22-10mm.2mdk 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc iD8DBQE/pXnkIBT1264ScBURAgBlAKDV2FL7vod8Oo55i4Y+yCxRHMWkqwCfT8Ml YN5Su0AskcJVfPwwEbVWBIA= =qSVI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 21:40, Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Bown wanted us to know: I really must disagree with you on this Greg, if this was so , how come I can move a drive thats had winxp, into a machine thats happily running linux and get problems on an install, normally when the partition table is written ?? I'd say you have Virus Protection set to Yes in the BIOS. No Todd that was one of the first thing s to look for Richard - -- Blue skies... Todd | Get a bigger hammer! | PPPoE: the internet for people who| | http://www.mrball.net | don't want the Internet. | | http://faq.mrball.net | --Aaron Lehmann | Linux kernel 2.4.22-10mm.2mdk 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc iD8DBQE/pXnkIBT1264ScBURAgBlAKDV2FL7vod8Oo55i4Y+yCxRHMWkqwCfT8Ml YN5Su0AskcJVfPwwEbVWBIA= =qSVI -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Richard Bown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] microsoft dirty tricks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Bown wanted us to know: I'd say you have Virus Protection set to Yes in the BIOS. No Todd that was one of the first thing s to look for Then I'd boot into rescue mode and run one at a time fdisk, cfdisk, and diskdrake and look at the partition tables. If one or the other complains about the format of the partition table (presence of garbage data), then you can consider letting it rewrite it when it's done. Typically, cfdisk or diskdrake won't even start if there is stuff it doesn't understand in the partition table. Blue skies... Todd - -- A: No Q: Should I quote at the end of the message? Linux kernel 2.4.22-10mm.2mdk 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.00 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc iD8DBQE/pYH8IBT1264ScBURAtl7AKCk/zD+ldQfjrQB0VuUn5sLQ9gRXQCdGGkc QPWQPWwmdW8o1Q76vJuVGk8= =cgsD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] microsoft dirty tricks
I'd say you have Virus Protection set to Yes in the BIOS. What's that, where the bios doesn't allow you to run or even look at Windows partitions? :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sunday 02 November 2003 05:21 pm, Eric Huff wrote: I'd say you have Virus Protection set to Yes in the BIOS. What's that, where the bios doesn't allow you to run or even look at Windows partitions? :) The BIOS prevents you from writing anything to the mbr of the drive as a protection against virii. Apparently, the BIOS people think linux is a virus :-D -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] microsoft dirty tricks
On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 21:55, Greg Meyer wrote: On Sunday 02 November 2003 05:21 pm, Eric Huff wrote: I'd say you have Virus Protection set to Yes in the BIOS. What's that, where the bios doesn't allow you to run or even look at Windows partitions? :) The BIOS prevents you from writing anything to the mbr of the drive as a protection against virii. Apparently, the BIOS people think linux is a virus :-D All very well but protecting the mbr from within the bios is foolhardy. It makes repair of a damaged system very difficult, if the partition table has to be repaired. It also causes problems with any write to the mbr, ie upgrade of a kernel or loading a win4lin kernel. I got caught once with an old 386, probably one of my first PCs since then its always turned off. Maybe Todd's comment about garbage data is very close to hitting the nail on the head. How many blocks of data are allocated to the mbr ? is it the same for all OS's ? what would happen if one OS used a very slightly different size mbr ? I dont know, but some one on this list should Richard -- Richard Bown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Bown wanted us to know: How many blocks of data are allocated to the mbr ? The very first sector, 512 bytes. is it the same for all OS's ? It's not a function of the OS, it's a function of the architecture. what would happen if one OS used a very slightly different size mbr ? It can use less than 512, but if it needs more than 512, then it has to do it in stages. This is exactly the way that lilo does it (and probably grub too) and DOS as well. Look up what the letters L I L O mean during bootup (use google) to the point where it allows you to choose which image you want to boot. - -- Blue skies... Todd Public key: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc I go online sometimes, but everyone's spelling is really bad, and it's depressing.--Tara, BtVS Linux kernel 2.4.22-10mm.2mdk 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.04 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc iD8DBQE/peYmIBT1264ScBURAqzcAKCBebKCsfoUddOHSdSkYZnIqwsFcgCdGAlS D1QxHUjkBYl+xAr3a2j6EKc= =xMA/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] microsoft dirty tricks
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 10:58, Richard Bown wrote: Hi all Run up against winxp again, I'm sure they are playing foul. My friend recently had his PC stolen after all the hard work getting everything sorted. So he has his new machine 2.2GHz Athlon and 2 40 GB drives., both formated NTFS with winXP. He wants one with winxp on it and 1 with linux. So went to load MDK 9.2 on it, starts up finds both HD's but fails to get an interrupt response and says protection level = 1. So disconnect the first HD and swap over the cables so the second HD looks like the only drive same again :(( load a dos floppy with fdisk on it and delete the primary partition. try yo install MDK9.2 and 9.1 and 8.2 same damn thing with interupt failure and protection. swap the HD over to second IDE and disable primary IDE in the bios so now looking at INT 15.same B**DDy thing !. put the original primary HD back in boot up in WinXP and guess what second HD shown as 40 GB NTFS. This is not the first time I've had major probs installing MDK after winxp has been on a HD.. From what I've seen its on different MOBOs different size HDs.. So what happens to the newbie who gets a bit fed up with gates and buys a MDK package, ? a system that wont load is disastrous. any ideas how I can get that crap off the mbr so I can load mdk 9.2 ???. I also think Mandrake needs to combat this .. Richard Have you tried booting from a morphix or knoppix bootable disk. Then reformatting / setting things up? James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] microsoft dirty tricks
On Saturday 01 November 2003 01:58 pm, Richard Bown wrote: So went to load MDK 9.2 on it, starts up finds both HD's but fails to get an interrupt response and says protection level = 1. So disconnect the first HD and swap over the cables so the second HD looks like the only drive same again :(( load a dos floppy with fdisk on it and delete the primary partition. try yo install MDK9.2 and 9.1 and 8.2 same damn thing with interupt failure and protection. swap the HD over to second IDE and disable primary IDE in the bios so now looking at INT 15.same B**DDy thing !. put the original primary HD back in boot up in WinXP and guess what second HD shown as 40 GB NTFS. This is not the first time I've had major probs installing MDK after winxp has been on a HD.. Problem has nothing to do with the fact that WinXP has already been on the drive. See below. From what I've seen its on different MOBOs different size HDs.. So what happens to the newbie who gets a bit fed up with gates and buys a MDK package, ? a system that wont load is disastrous. Come to the mailing lists to see how the problem can be fixed. any ideas how I can get that crap off the mbr so I can load mdk 9.2 ???. I also think Mandrake needs to combat this .. These problems you describe generally relate to the i/o APIC cuasing trouble, especially with a VIA chipset. You didn't sya what motherboard you have, but booting the install kernel with the parameters noapic and acpi=off should fix you right up. At the splash screen, hit escape and then type linux noapic acpi=off Yes acpi and apic are different, so type it exactly as I have written it. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] microsoft dirty tricks
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 19:20, Greg Meyer wrote: On Saturday 01 November 2003 01:58 pm, Richard Bown wrote: So went to load MDK 9.2 on it, starts up finds both HD's but fails to get an interrupt response and says protection level = 1. So disconnect the first HD and swap over the cables so the second HD looks like the only drive same again :(( load a dos floppy with fdisk on it and delete the primary partition. try yo install MDK9.2 and 9.1 and 8.2 same damn thing with interupt failure and protection. swap the HD over to second IDE and disable primary IDE in the bios so now looking at INT 15.same B**DDy thing !. put the original primary HD back in boot up in WinXP and guess what second HD shown as 40 GB NTFS. This is not the first time I've had major probs installing MDK after winxp has been on a HD.. Problem has nothing to do with the fact that WinXP has already been on the drive. See below. I really must disagree with you on this Greg, if this was so , how come I can move a drive thats had winxp, into a machine thats happily running linux and get problems on an install, normally when the partition table is written ?? From what I've seen its on different MOBOs different size HDs.. So what happens to the newbie who gets a bit fed up with gates and buys a MDK package, ? a system that wont load is disastrous. Come to the mailing lists to see how the problem can be fixed. I get the impression you mean the newbie list ? any ideas how I can get that crap off the mbr so I can load mdk 9.2 ???. I also think Mandrake needs to combat this .. These problems you describe generally relate to the i/o APIC cuasing trouble, especially with a VIA chipset. You didn't sya what motherboard you have, but booting the install kernel with the parameters noapic and acpi=off should fix you right up. At the splash screen, hit escape and then type linux noapic acpi=off Yes acpi and apic are different, so type it exactly as I have written it. I'll try it , but I'm extremely sceptical Richard -- Richard Bown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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If you want to erase the mbr try using an old DOS 6.2 install disk. Boot it and use the command fdisk /mbr that should do the trick. On Star Date Saturday 01 November 2003 11:11 am, James Sparenberg sent this sub-space message. On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 10:58, Richard Bown wrote: Hi all Run up against winxp again, I'm sure they are playing foul. My friend recently had his PC stolen after all the hard work getting everything sorted. So he has his new machine 2.2GHz Athlon and 2 40 GB drives., both formated NTFS with winXP. He wants one with winxp on it and 1 with linux. So went to load MDK 9.2 on it, starts up finds both HD's but fails to get an interrupt response and says protection level = 1. So disconnect the first HD and swap over the cables so the second HD looks like the only drive same again :(( load a dos floppy with fdisk on it and delete the primary partition. try yo install MDK9.2 and 9.1 and 8.2 same damn thing with interupt failure and protection. swap the HD over to second IDE and disable primary IDE in the bios so now looking at INT 15.same B**DDy thing !. put the original primary HD back in boot up in WinXP and guess what second HD shown as 40 GB NTFS. This is not the first time I've had major probs installing MDK after winxp has been on a HD.. From what I've seen its on different MOBOs different size HDs.. So what happens to the newbie who gets a bit fed up with gates and buys a MDK package, ? a system that wont load is disastrous. any ideas how I can get that crap off the mbr so I can load mdk 9.2 ???. I also think Mandrake needs to combat this .. Richard Have you tried booting from a morphix or knoppix bootable disk. Then reformatting / setting things up? James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 19:11, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 10:58, Richard Bown wrote: Hi all Run up against winxp again, I'm sure they are playing foul. My friend recently had his PC stolen after all the hard work getting everything sorted. So he has his new machine 2.2GHz Athlon and 2 40 GB drives., both formated NTFS with winXP. He wants one with winxp on it and 1 with linux. So went to load MDK 9.2 on it, starts up finds both HD's but fails to get an interrupt response and says protection level = 1. So disconnect the first HD and swap over the cables so the second HD looks like the only drive same again :(( load a dos floppy with fdisk on it and delete the primary partition. try yo install MDK9.2 and 9.1 and 8.2 same damn thing with interupt failure and protection. swap the HD over to second IDE and disable primary IDE in the bios so now looking at INT 15.same B**DDy thing !. put the original primary HD back in boot up in WinXP and guess what second HD shown as 40 GB NTFS. This is not the first time I've had major probs installing MDK after winxp has been on a HD.. From what I've seen its on different MOBOs different size HDs.. So what happens to the newbie who gets a bit fed up with gates and buys a MDK package, ? a system that wont load is disastrous. any ideas how I can get that crap off the mbr so I can load mdk 9.2 ???. I also think Mandrake needs to combat this .. Richard Have you tried booting from a morphix or knoppix bootable disk. Then reformatting / setting things up? No not yet, I'll download a copy, now just to confuse things. my old laptop which has only had winxp on it once , but all flavours of linux back to redhat 5, loads OK and partitioned,, Richard -- Richard Bown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Saturday 01 November 2003 05:42 pm, Richard Bown wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 19:20, Greg Meyer wrote: This is not the first time I've had major probs installing MDK after winxp has been on a HD.. Problem has nothing to do with the fact that WinXP has already been on the drive. See below. I really must disagree with you on this Greg, if this was so , how come I can move a drive thats had winxp, into a machine thats happily running linux and get problems on an install, normally when the partition table is written ?? Well, I can't think of anything specifically about WinXP that would cause this kind of problem. The NTFS filesystem is nothing but a filesystem, a repartition and reformat should be all that is necessary. I am puzzled because I personally have never experienced what you are talking about (WinXP causing this trouble) and I have installed a lot of Mandrake systems on top of disks that used to have ntfs on them. So what happens to the newbie who gets a bit fed up with gates and buys a MDK package, ? a system that wont load is disastrous. Come to the mailing lists to see how the problem can be fixed. I get the impression you mean the newbie list ? I was just pointing out in a kind of tongue in cheek way that you came to the right place for help, and a newbie should do the same. any ideas how I can get that crap off the mbr so I can load mdk 9.2 ???. I also think Mandrake needs to combat this .. Be very careful, but you could boot into rescue mode and at a console type dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda This will completely overwrite your disk with nothing. These problems you describe generally relate to the i/o APIC cuasing trouble, especially with a VIA chipset. You didn't sya what motherboard you have, but booting the install kernel with the parameters noapic and acpi=off should fix you right up. At the splash screen, hit escape and then type linux noapic acpi=off Yes acpi and apic are different, so type it exactly as I have written it. I'll try it , but I'm extremely sceptical Unless I am missing something that you have not brought up, the errors you are describing generally refer to the IDE controller itself and not the hard drive. I/O APIC and ACPI problems generally cause interrupts to not get assigned properly, so frequent symptoms include nics and usb ports not working and lost interrupts on drive channels. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Often times it is easier to blame someone else - especially if it is the evil empire - than to try to find a solution. When I loaded 9.1 on my brand new laptop w/ XP Pro, it was the smoothest linux install I ever did (which may or may not indicate a positive experience ;^) - it was good! Windows can't protect itself if it isn't loaded! It can be tenacious if it is loaded! I doubt that the problems you have had in installing Linux have anything to do with XP. LeRoy On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 19:20, Greg Meyer wrote: On Saturday 01 November 2003 01:58 pm, Richard Bown wrote: So went to load MDK 9.2 on it, starts up finds both HD's but fails to get an interrupt response and says protection level = 1. So disconnect the first HD and swap over the cables so the second HD looks like the only drive same again :(( load a dos floppy with fdisk on it and delete the primary partition. try yo install MDK9.2 and 9.1 and 8.2 same damn thing with interupt failure and protection. swap the HD over to second IDE and disable primary IDE in the bios so now looking at INT 15.same B**DDy thing !. put the original primary HD back in boot up in WinXP and guess what second HD shown as 40 GB NTFS. This is not the first time I've had major probs installing MDK after winxp has been on a HD.. Problem has nothing to do with the fact that WinXP has already been on the drive. See below. I really must disagree with you on this Greg, if this was so , how come I can move a drive thats had winxp, into a machine thats happily running linux and get problems on an install, normally when the partition table is written ?? From what I've seen its on different MOBOs different size HDs.. So what happens to the newbie who gets a bit fed up with gates and buys a MDK package, ? a system that wont load is disastrous. Come to the mailing lists to see how the problem can be fixed. I get the impression you mean the newbie list ? any ideas how I can get that crap off the mbr so I can load mdk 9.2 ???. I also think Mandrake needs to combat this .. These problems you describe generally relate to the i/o APIC cuasing trouble, especially with a VIA chipset. You didn't sya what motherboard you have, but booting the install kernel with the parameters noapic and acpi=off should fix you right up. At the splash screen, hit escape and then type linux noapic acpi=off Yes acpi and apic are different, so type it exactly as I have written it. I'll try it , but I'm extremely sceptical Richard -- Richard Bown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] microsoft dirty tricks
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 22:47, Bill wrote: If you want to erase the mbr try using an old DOS 6.2 install disk. Boot it and use the command fdisk /mbr that should do the trick. Thanks Bill, but I did that :((, and I used the win98 install to completely format the HD and write to the partition table. Now that was before micryuk started using ntfs (apart from NT). Guess what xp reported that drive as ntfs and not fat Richard On Star Date Saturday 01 November 2003 11:11 am, James Sparenberg sent this sub-space message. On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 10:58, Richard Bown wrote: Hi all Run up against winxp again, I'm sure they are playing foul. My friend recently had his PC stolen after all the hard work getting everything sorted. So he has his new machine 2.2GHz Athlon and 2 40 GB drives., both formated NTFS with winXP. He wants one with winxp on it and 1 with linux. So went to load MDK 9.2 on it, starts up finds both HD's but fails to get an interrupt response and says protection level = 1. So disconnect the first HD and swap over the cables so the second HD looks like the only drive same again :(( load a dos floppy with fdisk on it and delete the primary partition. try yo install MDK9.2 and 9.1 and 8.2 same damn thing with interupt failure and protection. swap the HD over to second IDE and disable primary IDE in the bios so now looking at INT 15.same B**DDy thing !. put the original primary HD back in boot up in WinXP and guess what second HD shown as 40 GB NTFS. This is not the first time I've had major probs installing MDK after winxp has been on a HD.. From what I've seen its on different MOBOs different size HDs.. So what happens to the newbie who gets a bit fed up with gates and buys a MDK package, ? a system that wont load is disastrous. any ideas how I can get that crap off the mbr so I can load mdk 9.2 ???. I also think Mandrake needs to combat this .. Richard Have you tried booting from a morphix or knoppix bootable disk. Then reformatting / setting things up? James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Richard Bown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] microsoft dirty tricks
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 23:17, Greg Meyer wrote: On Saturday 01 November 2003 05:42 pm, Richard Bown wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 19:20, Greg Meyer wrote: This is not the first time I've had major probs installing MDK after winxp has been on a HD.. Problem has nothing to do with the fact that WinXP has already been on the drive. See below. I really must disagree with you on this Greg, if this was so , how come I can move a drive thats had winxp, into a machine thats happily running linux and get problems on an install, normally when the partition table is written ?? Well, I can't think of anything specifically about WinXP that would cause this kind of problem. The NTFS filesystem is nothing but a filesystem, a repartition and reformat should be all that is necessary. I am puzzled because I personally have never experienced what you are talking about (WinXP causing this trouble) and I have installed a lot of Mandrake systems on top of disks that used to have ntfs on them. So what happens to the newbie who gets a bit fed up with gates and buys a MDK package, ? a system that wont load is disastrous. Come to the mailing lists to see how the problem can be fixed. I get the impression you mean the newbie list ? I was just pointing out in a kind of tongue in cheek way that you came to the right place for help, and a newbie should do the same. any ideas how I can get that crap off the mbr so I can load mdk 9.2 ???. I also think Mandrake needs to combat this .. Be very careful, but you could boot into rescue mode and at a console type dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda This will completely overwrite your disk with nothing. These problems you describe generally relate to the i/o APIC cuasing trouble, especially with a VIA chipset. You didn't sya what motherboard you have, but booting the install kernel with the parameters noapic and acpi=off should fix you right up. At the splash screen, hit escape and then type linux noapic acpi=off Yes acpi and apic are different, so type it exactly as I have written it. I'll try it , but I'm extremely sceptical Unless I am missing something that you have not brought up, the errors you are describing generally refer to the IDE controller itself and not the hard drive. I/O APIC and ACPI problems generally cause interrupts to not get assigned properly, so frequent symptoms include nics and usb ports not working and lost interrupts on drive channels. If this is the case and I have seen it causing problems with NICs, the install should be set to turn it off by default, once you have a running system, it can always be turned on,.; But this type of thing happening on install will drive people away from MDK. most winyuk users are extremely biased against linux, why give them fuel for their arguments ??? Microylk are shooting themselves in the foot with server 2003, why give them blanks ?, it should be hollow heads filled with cyanide. Richard -- Richard Bown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] microsoft dirty tricks
From: Richard Bown [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 23:17, Greg Meyer wrote: Unless I am missing something that you have not brought up, the errors you are describing generally refer to the IDE controller itself and not the hard drive. I/O APIC and ACPI problems generally cause interrupts to not get assigned properly, so frequent symptoms include nics and usb ports not working and lost interrupts on drive channels. If this is the case and I have seen it causing problems with NICs, the install should be set to turn it off by default, once you have a running system, it can always be turned on,.; But this type of thing happening on install will drive people away from MDK. most winyuk users are extremely biased against linux, why give them fuel for their arguments ??? Well we can disable that stuff in the install with the kernel, but in order to do so we need the hw info bios revision so we know what system to block, and what part of it... So here is what you need to do... first get MDK installed, probably using the above mentioned commands.. then install lm_sensors... then tell me what commands you needed (acpi=off, acpi=ht, noapic, nolapic, ...) to get it working... then send me the output of the following commands: (as root) #lspcidrake -v #cat /var/log/dmesg #dmidecode with this info I'll add them to my kernels, and most likely Juan will pick them up for MDK main kernels... Regards Thomas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] microsoft dirty tricks
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 15:50, Richard Bown wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 23:17, Greg Meyer wrote: On Saturday 01 November 2003 05:42 pm, Richard Bown wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 19:20, Greg Meyer wrote: This is not the first time I've had major probs installing MDK after winxp has been on a HD.. Problem has nothing to do with the fact that WinXP has already been on the drive. See below. I really must disagree with you on this Greg, if this was so , how come I can move a drive thats had winxp, into a machine thats happily running linux and get problems on an install, normally when the partition table is written ?? Well, I can't think of anything specifically about WinXP that would cause this kind of problem. The NTFS filesystem is nothing but a filesystem, a repartition and reformat should be all that is necessary. I am puzzled because I personally have never experienced what you are talking about (WinXP causing this trouble) and I have installed a lot of Mandrake systems on top of disks that used to have ntfs on them. So what happens to the newbie who gets a bit fed up with gates and buys a MDK package, ? a system that wont load is disastrous. Come to the mailing lists to see how the problem can be fixed. I get the impression you mean the newbie list ? I was just pointing out in a kind of tongue in cheek way that you came to the right place for help, and a newbie should do the same. any ideas how I can get that crap off the mbr so I can load mdk 9.2 ???. I also think Mandrake needs to combat this .. Be very careful, but you could boot into rescue mode and at a console type dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda This will completely overwrite your disk with nothing. These problems you describe generally relate to the i/o APIC cuasing trouble, especially with a VIA chipset. You didn't sya what motherboard you have, but booting the install kernel with the parameters noapic and acpi=off should fix you right up. At the splash screen, hit escape and then type linux noapic acpi=off Yes acpi and apic are different, so type it exactly as I have written it. I'll try it , but I'm extremely sceptical Unless I am missing something that you have not brought up, the errors you are describing generally refer to the IDE controller itself and not the hard drive. I/O APIC and ACPI problems generally cause interrupts to not get assigned properly, so frequent symptoms include nics and usb ports not working and lost interrupts on drive channels. If this is the case and I have seen it causing problems with NICs, the install should be set to turn it off by default, once you have a running system, it can always be turned on,.; But this type of thing happening on install will drive people away from MDK. most winyuk users are extremely biased against linux, why give them fuel for their arguments ??? Damned if you do, Damned if you don't. If it doesn't have this switched on in the beginning then people say it isn't as good as windows for that reason. btw the windows install doesn't have them switched on AFAIK and doesn't do anything above PIO-33 should we drop back to that as well? One of our engineers was fooling around with his Athlon 1700 system the other day wondering why win2k was so much slower than MDK 9.1. Reason. Win2k was running in PIO mode MDK in UDMA-6. The problem is that You can't build on a 3 disk set the needed scripting to do discovery to every possible combination. The only reason this seems to be so easy in windows is because you buy the box pre-installed. Heck, anymore you don't even get an installable media with the box. I just spent a week and a half about 6 months ago installing win2k on a computer that came with win2k. (I finally installed win98 and upgraded.) MDK went in without a hiccup. Windows is not a faultless point and click install. In fact. It's gotten harder. Dare ya to setup a print server on a XP box in under half an hour. James Microylk are shooting themselves in the foot with server 2003, why give them blanks ?, it should be hollow heads filled with cyanide. Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
