Re: [expert] Known issues with my configuration system
was wondering a question along these same lines. ML8.0 and KDE2 is absolutely beautiful, at least for the length of time I was able to see it. I could use either xfree 3.x or xfree 4.x with no change to the following problem. I too have locking or freezing on 8.0 I have a KA-6100 viachipset motherboard with 128megs RAM, All in Wonder Pro card, Yamaha OPL3 SAx builtin sound, USR int PnP fax/modem 56K, Acer 310U scanner. (Scanner has never worked in Linux). I have always had to use the reboot in order to NOT get a screen dump of some kind (which is what happens with shutdown). I understand this is due to a via chipset issue, but as long as you reboot and shutdown when it comes up ... no problems. This issue was present as far back as 7.0. These new problems are quite baffling. Was previously running 7.0 then 7.2 Freq with no problemsafter the initial issues between the sound card and my fax/modem. My husband fixed those and got them all to work together, both in Win98 and ML7.0 and ML7.2 Freq. He even got it to work the first install with ML8.0, but then the problems started and it will not reboot after an install at all without hanging, no matter how many times you reinstall it seems. But 8.0 install goes great, but when you boot up it will lock up after getting inode errors all over the place, it is like it is eating up the root partition (not sure what technical issue is really going on here). If I am able to get past that, it locks at different stages of KDE2. This is even after the 3rd repartitioning and install. Very frustrating. Have rebuilt all partitions and installed from scratch each time. The drive itself doesn't have problems, I have half of it as windows extended partition and half as linux partitions on the D: drive. The C: drive is all windows. C drive is 1.2Gig and D is 10Gig. It seemed to do quite well with 7.0 and 7.2 Freq If anyone can help, or if you need more information, please let me know. Thanks, Bambi --- civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 26 June 2001 13:04, Stefano Bianchi wrote: Ciao, I wanted to know if there are known issue with my system and Mandrake 8, since it keeps on 'freezing' with no apparent reason. I include in this mail the configuration file for my system created with hard-drake. Thank, Stefano No known issues. We slow it down to avoid a hardware bug in the chipset, but normally this happens only under high load, like file transfers of 100Mb or more. Civileme __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [expert] Need help....
I was wondering if you couldn't make a copy of the etc directory in another partition and copy it back or would it not be compatible after the upgrade? You made some great points. Bambi On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, kf wrote: I didn't get Pavan's entire post, so I might be off, but I've done one install over another many times with various distributions. In Mandrake (for the Custom and Expert installs... I didn't ever do the first one) you will come to a screen with a small bar chart representing your boot disk and showing the current partitions. Here you have to specify the mount points for each partition and, on the next screen, if you want to (re)format that partition. If you don't format a partition, the data that's there will remain intact. (That's how it's supposed to work.) *** For this reason you will want to do a "df" and copy onto paper the partition devices (/dev/hda1, ...) and their corresponding mount points (/home, /boot, etc.) and do this BEFORE you start the new install. *** If you're installing a network, also record the contents of /etc/hosts because the new install will wipe that out too. Again, do this BEFORE you start the new install. After you start the new install, it will be too late... obviously. *** Record the contents of /etc/passwd because that will be wiped out. If you have one or more users on the old installation with their home directories in, say /home, and you don't format /home as part of the new installation, these home directories will remain intact. However, with the original /etc/passwd gone, these users won't exist anymore and all the old users' files and directories will be orphaned. It would be risky to do anything but fix this by hand. *** Save off to disk or paper important info from other configuration files such as /etc/X11/XF86Config, sendmail.cf and sendmail.cw, bashrc, etc. In most cases you don't want to just save these files over to disk from the old installation and then copy them back into the new installation. If you don't understand the why's and when's of this admonition, then you're especially likely to experience an unsatisfactory new install. hth, kf P.S. Group, is there anything I'm forgetting? On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, Ron Stodden wrote: = Pavan K Balellugari wrote: = = What next.. do i have overwrite my existing = install.. i just wanted to know, what image i should = get from the web.. = = You don't need to burn CDs - just download the helium tree using = rsync or wget from a mirror (1GB) to a 1GB Ext2 partition on your HD = then dd the /images/hd.image to a floppy and install from the hard = disk. = = Don't attempt to upgrade your 6.1 in situ - it is only just recently = operational (ie too risky) and will take about 12 hours. = = Far better to make another ext2 partition (1 GB) with Partition Magic = and make a fresh install of 7.1 there. Both Linuxes can share the = same swap partition. Then set up Boot Magic to choose which to = boot. = = Then you can move across your stuff from your mounted 6.1 partition = ad hoc as you discover you need it. For 7.2 reformat and reuse what = is now your 6.1 partition. = = -- = Regards, = = Ron. [AU] - sent by Mandrake Linux. = To write a poem in 17 syllables is very diffic = -- Familiarity breeds contempt. -- Publius Syrus (42 B.C.), Maxim 640
Re: [expert] netscape 474
Don't know since when ... but 5.2 was a regular release when I downloaded it. When my hubby had looked at it previously and downloaded it for himself it was the beta version...but when I went there for it the end of May, beginning of June timeframe...it was notit was their current (new) release..no mention of it being in beta. Went back to the site and it is still in their download section the new version...and is still a free download. Bambi On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, maiplace wrote: - Original Message - From: "Fran Parker" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Greg Stewart" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [expert] netscape 474 It is free for the registering at the sun site...version 5.2 not in Beta anymore. since what date exactly? Bambi On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Greg Stewart wrote: Try the SUN website, although I think it's a development package and is not free. Check freshmeat.net to see if there are any free Java engines (i have no idea--i don't use it). --Greg I use Staroffice, but the install says that I don't have JAVA installed. What package would I install that works well with SO? I've done some searching of Linux sites, but haven't yet found what it wants. Got a package name and a download URL? Thanks, Rob Benson Ken Thompson wrote: * Want free email? Sign up at http://www.freeze.com ! _NetZero Free Internet Access and Email__ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: [expert] I'll be back
I think we all feel this way about Civileme! Thanks Civileme! Wish you all the best! Bambi On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Pelon wrote: I feel like the wind just changed directions and it's time for Mary Poppins to go. Civileme, if you can hear me out there, I want you to know how much I appreciate your infinite wisdom and kindness in what can be a cold and unforgiving world. You could be counted on to help find solutions to our problems and you are one amazing linux guru. I will miss you in this forum and will be keeping my eye out for your return. Thanks, Pelon On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, you wrote: A political appointee has decided that he can't use kmail and must have outlook. Today he showed his power by dismissing me and four other employees to scrape together enough money to convert to Microsoft. I'll be moving from place to place for a while, and I won't have a steady address. So take care folks. I'll catch up when I can. Civileme
Re: [expert] netscape 474
It is free for the registering at the sun site...version 5.2 not in Beta anymore. Bambi On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Greg Stewart wrote: Try the SUN website, although I think it's a development package and is not free. Check freshmeat.net to see if there are any free Java engines (i have no idea--i don't use it). --Greg I use Staroffice, but the install says that I don't have JAVA installed. What package would I install that works well with SO? I've done some searching of Linux sites, but haven't yet found what it wants. Got a package name and a download URL? Thanks, Rob Benson Ken Thompson wrote: * Want free email? Sign up at http://www.freeze.com !
Re: [expert] Test
Yes you are getting through on the list...hope you got this one. :) Bambi On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, you wrote: I haven't seen anything on this list for a few days. It's usually high volume. Am I getting through? Brian. -- -- Brian Schroeder | ,-_|\ Origin Energy Resources Ltd | Only 2 things are infinite, / \ Adelaide Australia | the universe and human stupidity, \_,-*_/ GPO Box 2576 Adelaide 5001 | and I'm not sure about the former. v PH +61 8 8217 5782 | ALBERT EINSTEIN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] The capital letter of Expert
This one came through to the list with the hyphen in the email. Bambi On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Bob wrote: I dunno if this will go thru but it seems i can send to linuxmandrake.com but linux-mandrake.com refuses the email. At 08:13 PM 7/24/2000 +0200, you wrote: Dear people, during some days I have had a lot of problems to send mails to the list. I sent the mails, but I never received my mails from the list. Desesperately I decided to ask directly to Civileme for my problem, and once again Civileme helped me. Best regards Leo Dear Civileme, I'm sorry if I disturb you, but I have a problem with the list and to me you are a good reference. Since the last week I have sent some messages to the list that never have been arrived (or never have been returned to me from the list). There's something diferent in the list? I have the same configuration of the netscape and with other people I don't have any problem with the mail. Also, if you are reading this mail, means that I CAN SEND mails, so, please, can you tell me something? Best regards, Leo Denis is in charge of the mail servers, and he is on vacation. I heard Jean-Loup Gailly looked at them and decided things were too complex for a quick fix. There IS an alpha sort active on destination. Try your posts with a capital E on Expert and it should arrive much sooner. Civileme
Re: [expert] testing123
reply ... testing 456 :) Bambi On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Sevatio Octavio wrote: testing123
Re: [expert] netscape 474
Forgive me if this is repeated...I have had to re-write it three times, then kill KMail because it was stuck and wouldn't send. I wouldn't look for StarOffice to be the Netscrappy browser/email salvation. It is the most hoggy, bloated and beautiful suite ever. You must load their desktop suite...before you can open any components. It takes forever to load and each component does too. It is fine for some things, as long as you have the patience to wait for it to load. I have a Celeron 366mhz with 64megs RAM...nothing takes this long to load...in Linux or Windows! Sorry...but that's the way it is with StarOffice 5.2. Bambi On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Pj wrote: Considering this browser's sad history the past 3 years I do not know why anyone would expect anything better. Personally, I still like version 3.04 best. I run it with Java disabled; use its old emailer and scripting turned off. Since I rarely accept attachments, I've effectively eliminated most of the virus attacks. Actually I'd be delighted to buy a real Linux browser that wasn't bloated and that offered mail. Does anyone know how well the STAR OFFICE browser and emailer work in Linux? It worked okay in Winbloz. Pj At 05:42 PM 7/23/00 -0400, you wrote: I wouldn't become too hopeful cause the beta release of Netscape 6 is doing the same thing. In SPADES. It's worse there than in the .7x series of Netscape 4. -- Mark ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, dallard wrote: Mark I installed netscape 4.74 on my mandrake 7.0 machine yesterday. It seems to have the same problems that 4.70 had (my previous version). Netscape crashes on certain java pages and sometimes takes up al l the cpu. same as before. Oh well mabe next patch. :0) Hope that helps Dany Allard Mark Weaver wrote: Did they fix the java problem in 4.74, or does it still runaway with the CPU now and then like 4.73 does? -- Mark ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, victor gvirtsman wrote: found it today at ftp.netscape.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake's Arrogance
Sean, When configuring and doing things where root IS NEEDED is the exception obviously! I am talking about as a normal user. Of course you have to configure, tweak, install, etc. in root...THAT'S ITS JOB to administer the system. But when you are doing user stuff, like going online to get email, run browser/email programs, listen to online streams, IRC, ICQ, GAIM, whatever you are a user and being the root administrator is foolish. If you need administrator/root privileges...while you are user...it is right there...su in...do what you need and exit. What's the problem? Bambi Sean Middleditch wrote: Fran Parker wrote: Not everyone wants or needs to take the kind of chances you do. Not everyone wants or needs to, as you suggest, reinstall due to running as root and opening yourself up to invasion and loss. Not everyone wants or needs to take the unnecessary time to do that...su is not hard! I think you're being just a tad over-dramatic there... I have to run as root for very long periods of time (setting a server for DNS+HTTPD+dial in, and copying a Support Web system I made over, and setting up MySQL... about 4 hours logged in only as root getting this all set up) and never have any problems. The only serious issue I've had so far is when I installed my new motherboard, and that's because I deleted the parition /boot was mounted to (it needed to be redone to install lilo, since I wasn't using another hard-drive as primary any more). Other than that, I've never screwed up a system as root. If everyone wanted this kind of abuse ... they could have stayed with Windows and gotten all they wanted!
Re: [expert] Mandrake's Arrogance
That is what I have been trying to say, obviously unsuccessfully. Thanks! Bambi Charles Curley wrote: On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 06:16:53PM -0400, Fireman71 wrote: Hmmm, i run root all the time and will continue to do so. couple of reasons. I got tired of typing su and sudo about every 3rd command. I got tired of not being able to cd into some of my directories. A reasonable complaint. May I suggest a more secure way to handle it? If you run X, run multiple desktops. I run eight, and often use them all. From the desktop, lauch a shell, then su - to each user you need open (except for the user under which you launched X). I have a desktop for root which usually has a couple of xterms and a copy of emacs running. I have several desktops for my personal login, ccurley, and two for ssh logins to other systems on my network, as needed. This way, root is a rodent click away. This is less secure than insisting on using su - or sudo all the time, but much easier. To secure the root window when I am not around, I have secured my desktop with a password enforced screen saver. This, even though I work in my home office and have excellent physical security for my facility. If you work without X, you can get the same effect with multiple open consoles. When i make a mistake as root and wipe out half my file system, so what, its no big deal to me. I am not NASA or the pentagon. I am a, in my opinion, typical homeuser. There is nothing installed on my system that would cause the world to end if it gets erased or deleted. It would only be me spending my time reinstalling everything. Big deal. Now yes i can see this when you get into systems that have several users, or at places such as banks, universities, governments, etc. But for the typical home user i dont see that it is that big a deal to run root so long as they arent going to go crying and whining that they erased half their files. If they are willing to accept that chance on their own machines i say get off their back and let them. On the face of it, this appears to be a reasonable argument, except: I guarantee that you will acquire bad habits. Let me give you an analogy: the first rule of firearm safety is that all guns are assumed to be loaded at all times, unless you know for a fact from your own inspection that 1) a gun is unloaded, and 2) it has not left your sight. Get in the habit of acting on that assumption, and you will be much safer around firearms. Some folks tell me they think that is overly paranoid. Fine. I'd rather clear a gun unnecessarily than have an accidental discharge (AD). OK, an AD can do far more damage than you wiping out your hard drive. Still, restoring your system, even assuming you have backups (you do have backups, don't you?), is a bloody nuisance. I'd rather switch to root from time to time than do a restore. It comes down to your habits. I'd rather have safe habits and running as root is an unsafe habit. If you have unsafe habits like that, remind me not to hire you for anything at all. I'd have to wonder what other unsafe habits you have. -- -- C^2 No windows were crashed in the making of this email. Looking for fine software and/or web pages? http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature
Re: [expert] Mandrake's Arrogance
My understanding is that this is a UNIX/LINUX thing, not a Mandrake thing. Other distros would have the same functionality (I use this word intentionally!) One needs to understand that Root is not a user! Root is administrator. Get that one and you will keep your system longer than anyone who uses a Windows-based system...including NT/2000 where users are generally only given domain USER rights, but are sometimes given admin capabilities. When they are given these extra privileges, they should be given two separate logins ... one for normal use and one for admin responsibilities to keep the network secure. Most network administrators know this, but some still don't get it. Bambi Hoyt wrote: - Original Message - From: "Civileme" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 1:34 AM Subject: [expert] RIGHT CLICK--NEW - Folder Are you folks who are complaining running as _root_? This is something not to be done, for many reasons, including the fact that you get kicked from most IRC servers. I find it arrogant that Mandrake would deliberatly cripple the functionality of programs in order to prohibit certain behavior that they have decided is inappropriate. This kind of "I know better than you" unwelcomed paternalistic coercion is awfully Microsoft-ish. Is this the direction Mandrake is heading? Yuck! Hoyt
Re: [expert] Mandrake's Arrogance
You are absolutely right Civileme! Bambi Civileme wrote: Hoyt wrote: - Original Message - From: "Civileme" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 1:34 AM Subject: [expert] RIGHT CLICK--NEW - Folder Are you folks who are complaining running as _root_? This is something not to be done, for many reasons, including the fact that you get kicked from most IRC servers. I find it arrogant that Mandrake would deliberatly cripple the functionality of programs in order to prohibit certain behavior that they have decided is inappropriate. This kind of "I know better than you" unwelcomed paternalistic coercion is awfully Microsoft-ish. Is this the direction Mandrake is heading? Yuck! Hoyt Well, talk to the folks out on irc or try to run irc as root and see what happens. Most servers out there will log you off with a message, and not always a nice one. "Don't irc as root" was about the most polite I got. Anyway, nothing is prevented, just made a little harder to do, so that you remember you are in root. How do you think I stumbled across the server behavior? I appreciate the reminder so I don't endanger myself quite so much. Civileme
Re: [expert] Mandrake's Arrogance
Exactly! Bambi John Aldrich wrote: On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, you wrote: - Original Message - From: "Civileme" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 1:34 AM Subject: [expert] RIGHT CLICK--NEW - Folder Are you folks who are complaining running as _root_? This is something not to be done, for many reasons, including the fact that you get kicked from most IRC servers. I find it arrogant that Mandrake would deliberatly cripple the functionality of programs in order to prohibit certain behavior that they have decided is inappropriate. This kind of "I know better than you" unwelcomed paternalistic coercion is awfully Microsoft-ish. Is this the direction Mandrake is heading? Yuck! Ok. So Mandrake "cripples" some stuff as root to discourage you from running as "root." They have also done so in the security levels, and I don' t hear anyone bitching about MS-like behavior with regards to functionality of some programs under the "high" and "paranoid" security levels. As is pointed out, there is good reason NOT to run as "root." Pretty much every distro out there will prevent you from telnetting into the box as "root" for security reasons (at least Mandrake and RedHat will. I *think* most other distros do as well!) I think it's a Bad Idea (tm) to cry "microsoft" anytime a linux distribution "cripples" something for security reasons. I don't hear anyone bitching about not being able to install RPMs as a user, yet that's *definitely* an "I know better than you" situation of a program being crippled. My $0.02: Shut up and stop running as "root" unless you're actively configuring stuff which requires "root" permissions. If you just want to be able to install an RPM or something, open a console window, su to root and run the rpm installer. Stop trying to defeat the security that's inherent in linux and run as a "user!" John
Re: [expert] Mandrake's Arrogance
You and your guru is absolutely right Pj! We have all seen what running without a net under Microsoft means! Bambi Pj wrote: My guru wasn't very polite about /root. He said something to the effect of, "Stay the he** out of root unless you are making a system change." It was good advise then and it is good advice today. Pj
Re: [expert] Mandrake's Arrogance
Great analogy Michael! Bambi "Michael R. Batchelor" wrote: I find it arrogant that Mandrake would deliberatly cripple the functionality of programs in order to prohibit certain behavior that they have decided is inappropriate. This kind of "I know better than you" unwelcomed paternalistic coercion is awfully Microsoft-ish. Is this the direction Mandrake is heading? Yuck! I think it more like good solid design. We work machines in my line of work, and without safety limits it's easy to get killed or hurt very badly. So when we design something we put restrictions on what the operator can do. However, it's also necessary for someone to fix it occasionally, so we design a "maintenance mode" to defeat the safeties, but we don't make it easy to do by accident. (That's what root is, the UNIX "maintenance mode" user.) Now, after the machine is in the plant there is absolutely nothing in world to stop the plant personnel from shoving a pencil in the safety switch and running the machine with the doors open. And there is nothing in the world stopping you from reconfiguring anything on your machine to work any way you feel like it should work. But, in the same way it would be irresponsible of us to deliver a machine that's unsafe to operate, it would be irresponsible of Mandrake to deliver a configuration that's unsafe. (And if you really want to see somebody making decisions for you, install an OpenBSD system. It's locked up tight as a drum! And they do it on purpose!) Michael
Re: [expert] Mandrake's Arrogance
Not everyone wants or needs to take the kind of chances you do. Not everyone wants or needs to, as you suggest, reinstall due to running as root and opening yourself up to invasion and loss. Not everyone wants or needs to take the unnecessary time to do that...su is not hard! If everyone wanted this kind of abuse ... they could have stayed with Windows and gotten all they wanted! Bambi Fireman71 wrote: Hmmm, i run root all the time and will continue to do so. couple of reasons. I got tired of typing su and sudo about every 3rd command. I got tired of not being able to cd into some of my directories. When i make a mistake as root and wipe out half my file system, so what, its no big deal to me. I am not NASA or the pentagon. I am a, in my opinion, typical homeuser. There is nothing installed on my system that would cause the world to end if it gets erased or deleted. It would only be me spending my time reinstalling everything. Big deal. Now yes i can see this when you get into systems that have several users, or at places such as banks, universities, governments, etc. But for the typical home user i dont see that it is that big a deal to run root so long as they arent going to go crying and whining that they erased half their files. If they are willing to accept that chance on their own machines i say get off their back and let them. As for the IRC stuff, I pulled up xchat in kde and started it up. It gave me two warnings. One when it started saying i shouldnt irc as root and then another when i tried to connect with root as my screen name. I changed my screenname and clicked connect. Logged in just fine. Got the channel list, joined a few rooms, etc. So apparently the only thing is that you cant use root as your screenname. At least that is what happened in my case. and btw, i logged onto Undernet US, irc.dal.net, irc.gimp.net, and irc.foxchat.net. I didnt have any problems what so ever. Just had to change my screenname from root and it looked like the two warnings were originating from the program xchat and not from the servers. Ian K. Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you folks who are complaining running as _root_? This is something not to be done, for many reasons, including the fact that you get kicked from most IRC servers. Well, talk to the folks out on irc or try to run irc as root and see what happens. Most servers out there will log you off with a message, and not always a nice one. "Don't irc as root" was about the most polite I got. Anyway, nothing is prevented, just made a little harder to do, so that you remember you are in root. How do you think I stumbled across the server behavior? I appreciate the reminder so I don't endanger myself quite so much.
Re: [expert] Good vidoe card to use
No problem with the All in Wonder Pro with 7.0 (Air) with corresponding X. Don't know about the 128. The only thing I can't get to work yet, is something that the programmers are working on as we speak...TV Out, and DVD. The work on this is coming along nicely, however it has not progressed along well enough for me to try it yet. The drivers work great in X and in console. The Mesa and XATITV works great ... get the latest version update after installation. Minor bugs in version that ships with 7.0, corrected for the most part in upgrade. I love it! Bambi Gilbert Baron wrote: Has ANYONE used the ATI All In Wonder card. I am interested in that card. Does it run in 1024 x 768 and does it work in Version 7.1. TIA -Original Message- From: Gil Baron W0MN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 9:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] Good vidoe card to use The banshee works fine in 7.0. In 7.1 they regressed and I get the same sad situation that at the Configure X step the message about not finding the package and I cannot configure it. -Original Message- From: bobby dowling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 8:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Good vidoe card to use The banshee should work fine in XFree86 3.3.6 or 4 From: "Gil Baron W0MN" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "AA/MandrakeExpert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Good vidoe card to use Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 07:10:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBB3C44190066D82197ACD847542337610; Mon Jul 17 05:16:26 2000 Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA09913for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 07:16:24 -0500 Received: from mail.rdc1.il.home.com (ha1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.66]) by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA07979 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 07:10:29 -0500 Received: from cb621265a ([24.6.0.62]) by mail.rdc1.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id 2717121029.WGFV11071.mail.rdc1.il.home.com@cb621265a for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 05:10:29 -0700 From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 17 05:19:33 2000 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sequence: 73 Precedence: list Since my Diamond Viper II on one system and Maxi Gamer Voodoo Banshee on the other do not work in version 7.1 and X 3.6 or 4, can anyone recommend a GOOD FAST card that works in both Linux 7.1 and windows 2000. I am not sure I am ready to buy a new card but I don't want to make another error. Thanks, and if you have actually used the card and it works in 7.1 and if possible with X 4 that would be the best. -- Gil Baron W0MN http://members.home.net/gbaron/ 44:04:55.9 N 92:30:46.206 W 1050' NAD27 "Hierro candente, batir de repente" Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [expert] how install SO5.2
Hi, here is the message I sent previously about installing StarOffice 5.2...I was glad I still had it. It is meant to be installed by the user in a single user environment like mine. I did not install it on a server for use by other machines. Bambi Previous message text: Hi Wayne, Here is the message I sent to Pedro, about StarOffice when I downloaded it last night ... the chmod I understand makes the file executable, the *bin file is correct, it is the StarOffice 5.2 setup/install file and after you chmod, you can execute it.: I just downloaded the 97.xx meg file for StarOffice overnight and installed it with no problems. I registered when I downloaded and no serial number is needed for the free version downloaded. Are you having trouble installing it? In case you are having trouble, you install it as user, after chmod 777 staroffice install file name as su or root. From there it is smooth sailing ... I had to create a user accessible directory on my /root partition since after downloading the file I didn't have enough space to install it in the /home directory. I did this as su, then chown the directory to username.group and chmod the directory chmod 777 StarOffice (which was the name of the directory) and off I went. Real bummer too, I should have given a whole lot more room in my /home partition and /root partitions...now I am down to a measly just under 200 left on my /home partition (after I delete the StarOffice install file) and 46megs now on /root partition. I sure home that will be OK. When I was prompted for registration in the program, I checked that I had already registered when downloaded. I hope that helps some. Bambi maiplace wrote: - Original Message - From: "Fran Parker" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John@Aldrich Cc: "John Aldrich" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [expert] SO 5.3 REALLY SO5.2 It is a typo. newest I saw today was staroffice 5.2...had just gone back for the adabas 16meg download today. It installed as easily with the .bin file (after chmod 777 so_filename) as the first .bin file from sun. how do you install so5.2 .bin file again ?(I lost previous emails) Thanks. ___ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: [expert] Mdk7.1 hangs with VIA chipsets
Hi Luis, Could it be that the hard drive is borderline and Linux realizes when Windoze doesn't? Bambi Luis Seidel wrote: Hi, Mandrake experts: I'm not sure of being an expert myself, although I've installed a number of 7.0 and 7.1 Mandrakes in different machines, but now I'm stuck. I've got a PIII (700Mhz, 128MB RAM) with a Soltek SL-65FV+ motherboard and VIA chipsets (Apollo Pro 133). The hard disk is a Seagate ST313021A (13GB, wtih UDMA66, but configured for UDMA33). The installation process hangs at the point of partitioning the disk, and in the console, message is hda: nonIDE disk I hate to say this, but the machine works with W98. Any clue? Should I investigate more? Should I put the blame on the chipset or on the hard disk? I'm at the point of rejecting the machine and ordering a good old BX chipset, or a 2GB disk. Thanks in advance, Luis Seidel === Luis Seidel Gómez de Quero Dpto. de Física Aplicada E.T.S.I. Industriales UPM +34-1-3363101 fax +34-1-3363000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
Re: [expert] Netscape locks Linux
I do not generally have that problem anymore. I upgraded to the 4.72 128bit netscape and now all runs fine. Maybe you are using 4.7 that came with Mandrake? It is Java handicapped :) Bambi andy W wrote: Hi there, We are currently switching from Windows98 to Linux for all our Internet machines. These machines are primarily for web browsing and email. A total of 15 machines. Now we need access to web pages with java and when we access such a page, Netscape freezes and the cpu usage for ld-linux.so.2 goes up to 99% and the whole machine slows down. I tried the unsupported Netscape for linux 2.2 and it did the same thing except netscape uses 99% of the CPU instead of ld-linux.so.2. currently we are trying to standardize on Netscape for all our email and browsing for both Linux and Windows. I am now ready to give up and go to win2K and back to IE and outlook. Is there a way to fix this problem or do we just remove Linux from the desktop all together. The problem here is that we want all our users both Win and Lin to use the same browser. not mix explorer and opera etc. Thanks Andy. P3 500 128MB ram Mandrake 7.1 __ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com
Re: [expert] Dial on Demand
Hi Bob and all, Bob, this is excellent and works really well! Now if we could get it to initiate kppp ...so you could see the modem traffic and see throughput without looking at the log. Haven't put it in the rc file yet...but works really well from the terminal so far. We are testing it at the moment. Thanks so much, Bambi "Bob Puff@NLE" wrote: Hello people, I just wrote up a file on setting up Dial On Demand with Mandrake 7.x. It provides all the sample files needed. Someone asked about this, so here is the link: http://www.nleaudio.com/bnotes/dialondemand.htm Any comments/suggestions - let me know! Bob
Re: [expert] SO 5.3 REALLY SO5.2
It is a typo. newest I saw today was staroffice 5.2...had just gone back for the adabas 16meg download today. It installed as easily with the .bin file (after chmod 777 so_filename) as the first .bin file from sun. Boy, before I updated adabas it is one of the slowest program suites I have seen in Linux to load. .. Now it is about the same. I am running it from my /home2 partition on a 502 meg drive which runs in mode 3. I guess it would run a little faster on the mode 4 10.2 gig drive...but when I did a tailored down version earlier to see what it was like it on the 10.2 gig drive...it didn't run really any faster. Very nice suite, but even Netscrappy loads quicker! I tried out the mail, nice client, works well and you can use rules etc. but like everything in StarOffice, it is slow. And I have a 366mhz Celeron with 64megs RAM and ATI All in Wonder 8meg video card. Bambi Bambi TaLinux wrote: i think it's a typo. --- _|_|_ Best Regard's , ( ) * Amir Tal, /v\ / System Administrator /( )XIntercomp Ltd. (m_m) | |ICQ : 15748705 | (_)_ __ Office : 09-9526993. | | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / | | | | | | |_| | |_)_|_|_| |_|__,_/_/\ visit us at www.legacy2web.com. --- On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, John Aldrich wrote: Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 07:34:53 -0400 From: John Aldrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] SO 5.3 On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, you wrote: No problem, just run it. It works. Dennis/sg Is this subject a typo or is there REALLY a 5.3 Star Office? I find SO less than useful since the mail client crashes every time I try to use it (RedHat 6.2.) If there really is a 5.3, where can I get a copy??? John
Re: [expert] VIA vs Intel
Faster or not is not the issue...skip the VIA chipset! Been there, done that! I have a VIA chipset and unless they have made it more multi-OS friendly than my VIA chipset, skip it! The one I have was built for Windows and we had a heck of a time getting it to work with Linux. It is finally working and working great, but if you are a newbie in Linux as I was, you had better have an inovative Linux Guru to work with you on it. I installed three times before my Jim (my Guru) stepped in and saved my sanity and my install! Bambi Lang Zhi wrote: Hi. How is the performance of VIA chipset based MOBO, compared to Intel based. Lets say, BX vs VIA, or i810 vs VIA ? Which one faster ? -lz Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [expert] VIA vs Intel
Tell that to my normally easy to install USR Sportser modem and mobo built-in Yamaha OPL3-SA3 sound card...and the PnP and non-PnP game we had to play with this mobo :) Bambi Dave Lers wrote: On Sun, 02 Jul 2000, Fran Parker wrote: Faster or not is not the issue...skip the VIA chipset! Been there, done that! I have a VIA chipset and unless they have made it more multi-OS friendly than my VIA chipset, skip it! The one I have was built for Windows Well I have 3 different VIA systems (aprox 3yrs to 6mo old, one running a Winchip) and one Intel system and I have noticed zero difference related to installing/using Linux. I've swapped drives between VIA and Intel without a hitch. It seems like most problems are whats plugged into the motherboard/system not the motherboards/chipsets.
Re: [expert] How will this effect Mandrake?
Are the Citroën still in production? We were blessed with one when I was a child and it was such a cool car. My father loved it. Bambi Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: vern [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm glad Mandrake has most of their software repositories in the US, and other countries!! I love Mandrake!! But hey, I also loved Citreonssp? NICE French ^^^ Citroën automobiles. -- MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com San-Francisco, CA USA --Chmouel
Re: [expert] SO 5.3
Same here, but it said you could go back to the site and get it. I did see it, but didn't download it since I thought it would have everything in the 97.+ meg file...since it was supposed to be the total install file. Oh, well. I will go back and get it for later when add another hard drive to my system! For now...I am still trying to figure out what to do with the 97.+ meg file that I got so I don't have to download it again when I do get the new hard drive :) An overnight download that had no errors at 56K. I was impressed with that...not always so lucky in windows. For some reason, Linux won't let me copy it to the windows partition where I have some room to archive it. Permission problem...but I was su and I usually can copy anything there as long as I am su. Don't get that one. Bambi Lane Lester wrote: Ralph wrote: RFDW Only problem is that it did RFDW not find Adabas stuff, but that could have been my fault as their is RFDW instructions on some file changes that may have to be done manual to properly RFDW locate files that I did not do and their is a three user limit on it. I think that's characteristic of the download version. I downed both Linux and Windows versions, and have installed only Windows. It also complained of not finding the Adabas stuff. Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
Re: [expert] Real PLayer
Hi Traci, I checked and realplayer was set on automatic, no UDP. I changed it to use specific transports and looked at it and it was already set to TCP only. I have left it there, instead of auto. Thanks, Bambi Traci Collins wrote: Have you setup RealPlayer to use TCP exclusively? By default Realplayer will sometimes attempt to use UDP for connections because it does less handshaking and may therefore stream more effectively. If you have any trouble between you and the site you are connecting to the lack of handshaking can keep your connection from functioning at all. Once Real told me to try out forcing my player to always use TCP the reliability of my connections went up dramatically. Something to try if you haven't already tried it. Traci "Werner E. Niebel" wrote: James, I agree with much of your accessment. OK here is the weird thing... When I upgraded to Mandrake 7.1 this only started happenning... Yesterday I tried to connect to Dr Dean Edel and then could not .. I quick rebooted and tried in Mandrake 7.0 (since I installed them on separte partitions) and I could reboot in 7.0... It seems to either be a Mandrake 7.1 problem or Netscape or something I had in configuration that got overwritten. Im trying to troubleshoot this but it only has a problem with real time streams... I can connect to businesstalkradio fine yet other sites I cant. Incidentally if I try to get Dr Dean archives it works fine.. Its only with some real time streams... Any additional advice you or anyone has would be appreciated. Thanks Werner James Sparenberg wrote: Werner, There could be a couple of reasons that you can't connect and they aren't your fault. Since you can connect to the one site that indicates that your set up correctly (however this could be a bad assumption on my part I really doubt if it is.) 1. Rush's site is so slow or overloaded at the time you are trying to connect that it's just taking forever for RPlayer to get the data it needs and it's timing out or freezing. 2. The webmaster at rushes site made a typo on the page and as a result it can't connect correctly. 3. Since realplayer for linux is in a state of perpetual beta testing it could be unable to connect due to some weird Windoze only feature the webmaster has enacted. 4. The people at Real.com are liberals and they have added software to block Rush. :) Hope this helps. James At 10:46 AM 6/22/00, you wrote: Hi there, I had real player working and dont know what is going on in 7.1. If I go to a site like www.businesstalkradio.net and try to listen it works fine with the streaming audio...When I go to something like www.rushlimbaugh.com it doesnt work... Real player executes and says "contacting" forever yet never gets the stream...Anyone out there know what the netscape file structure and plugins well enough to help me out diagnose what is wrong... Thanks Werner -- Traci Collins, MA Professor of Computer Education Colorado Mountain College http://www.rof.net/wp/tcollins/traci.html
Re: [expert] StarOffice - Serial Number
Hi Pedro, I just downloaded the 97.xx meg file for StarOffice overnight and installed it with no problems. I registered when I downloaded and no serial number is needed for the free version downloaded. Are you having trouble installing it? In case you are having trouble, you install it as user, after chmod 777 staroffice install file name as su or root. From there it is smooth sailing ... I had to create a user accessible directory on my /root partition since after downloading the file I didn't have enough space to install it in the /home directory. I did this as su, then chown the directory to username.group and chmod the directory chmod 777 StarOffice (which was the name of the directory) and off I went. Real bummer too, I should have given a whole lot more room in my /home partition and /root partitions...now I am down to a measly just under 200 left on my /home partition (after I delete the StarOffice install file) and 46megs now on /root partition. I sure home that will be OK. When I was prompted for registration in the program, I checked that I had already registered when downloaded. I hope that helps some. Bambi Pedro Cardoso wrote: Hi! Anyone can help me with Star Office Serial Number ? I have star office, and I have registered my package at the Sun site. But I don't have received the Registration key. Can you help me ? -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0.2i mQGiBDlDzggRBADtMg2hoIpB7NZfWrMPja4H2aXayqtqwCoJPnfLL+qSFOksY4bk jtHA798eqmOyIpHWgBOJuL2N+Jcw1OH0xaSM3krUkwLZ3F7cMmoQhEOnIsCMBkuj l7ppcq0ZnCrm1qCf+oCegTA8wNsXgXiNXvxpDhquTBXI8GPMMtT41aGngwCg/8HX GurTARux1HOvybENmIyumHED/1+k5KG3Tgly6f0y+kxNYycALL3Tph6NEoW0n3Sl lyHL+JcWDNg1OecZ4siu1AcDIMMcGzRPx/Vwpqsls9W4vhTeADUUIHUF0NMCNOzr rcD2KzQjJy6eVadpLL3uQQC5oCVa0hrhFxfwYL3txIjjdSb584c/zcz5eSNiLXz6 XEcOA/9V4ZJkubVbmJCoFQTDZha7DA+13N2yeeEKJubn4WdcuU7uvx8GWZaj/w7T 7YkEuO23t53RHLmCRL2/yadqyJntsYVxjx2jvbBaT+jpZ+/6c4IpMKf9WMvc4EZ1 htcecCVzSUjgN7thJ79/a1znE864CgGUJl1esM/Gai1UijlEFbQvUGVkcm8gTWFu dWVsIENhcmRvc28gPHBlZHJvLmNhcmRvc29AaG90cG9wLmNvbT6JAEsEEBECAAsF AjlDzggECwMCAQAKCRCYLVBDFx1mWH12AKDIxZuElF03JP+M1HUZGPg/DsbrtACd HBgQOq7tRHd0zidH1Ehg5DUPCn+5AQ0EOUPOChAEAPQs14Ubj/yf8obCFeZaNxRm KBU54ecjjulFwNRaxUhxnlDa3YZ3gYORIoXZfNEXhOoYgpT/hfkOk/bCDn+MxCO1 uInsq+iOPeU0kRjlNTq/ueMGkkLeBPgTg+3wfTNsDddexvU3fiWZXKup+wzOTifr bgLL5u7Pg8KMdpWIa4ojAAICA/9vzAdmQLHEPGz88GQT1+vwCe69dSqfn3F2jlji Crh7QkOEP434dUd5TUYHr4lU7frk6L/2noQf/0+Pd2o6Ps0FiQISmU90Oeht2j8I u8oSbvFh6IP7ixNaCNQgQjUmolWXY7mMthXWJydGrlErfdA1O5I7EMD2idPwIp4N oC0wHIkARgQYEQIABgUCOUPOCgAKCRCYLVBDFx1mWET8AJ991yV41BHhkrsV0e4m 2h1N65DvSwCgrioQED8iC1PdHPY6wZC9S43LwAU= =HCyC -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
Re: [expert] StarOffice - Serial Number
BTW: I installed the StarOffice 5.2 that is out on the sun site and couldn't install everything ...too little space :( But it is a cool program suite and am enjoying what I could install). Just wish it would import WP files too. Bambi Pedro Cardoso wrote: Hi! Anyone can help me with Star Office Serial Number ? I have star office, and I have registered my package at the Sun site. But I don't have received the Registration key. Can you help me ? -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0.2i mQGiBDlDzggRBADtMg2hoIpB7NZfWrMPja4H2aXayqtqwCoJPnfLL+qSFOksY4bk jtHA798eqmOyIpHWgBOJuL2N+Jcw1OH0xaSM3krUkwLZ3F7cMmoQhEOnIsCMBkuj l7ppcq0ZnCrm1qCf+oCegTA8wNsXgXiNXvxpDhquTBXI8GPMMtT41aGngwCg/8HX GurTARux1HOvybENmIyumHED/1+k5KG3Tgly6f0y+kxNYycALL3Tph6NEoW0n3Sl lyHL+JcWDNg1OecZ4siu1AcDIMMcGzRPx/Vwpqsls9W4vhTeADUUIHUF0NMCNOzr rcD2KzQjJy6eVadpLL3uQQC5oCVa0hrhFxfwYL3txIjjdSb584c/zcz5eSNiLXz6 XEcOA/9V4ZJkubVbmJCoFQTDZha7DA+13N2yeeEKJubn4WdcuU7uvx8GWZaj/w7T 7YkEuO23t53RHLmCRL2/yadqyJntsYVxjx2jvbBaT+jpZ+/6c4IpMKf9WMvc4EZ1 htcecCVzSUjgN7thJ79/a1znE864CgGUJl1esM/Gai1UijlEFbQvUGVkcm8gTWFu dWVsIENhcmRvc28gPHBlZHJvLmNhcmRvc29AaG90cG9wLmNvbT6JAEsEEBECAAsF AjlDzggECwMCAQAKCRCYLVBDFx1mWH12AKDIxZuElF03JP+M1HUZGPg/DsbrtACd HBgQOq7tRHd0zidH1Ehg5DUPCn+5AQ0EOUPOChAEAPQs14Ubj/yf8obCFeZaNxRm KBU54ecjjulFwNRaxUhxnlDa3YZ3gYORIoXZfNEXhOoYgpT/hfkOk/bCDn+MxCO1 uInsq+iOPeU0kRjlNTq/ueMGkkLeBPgTg+3wfTNsDddexvU3fiWZXKup+wzOTifr bgLL5u7Pg8KMdpWIa4ojAAICA/9vzAdmQLHEPGz88GQT1+vwCe69dSqfn3F2jlji Crh7QkOEP434dUd5TUYHr4lU7frk6L/2noQf/0+Pd2o6Ps0FiQISmU90Oeht2j8I u8oSbvFh6IP7ixNaCNQgQjUmolWXY7mMthXWJydGrlErfdA1O5I7EMD2idPwIp4N oC0wHIkARgQYEQIABgUCOUPOCgAKCRCYLVBDFx1mWET8AJ991yV41BHhkrsV0e4m 2h1N65DvSwCgrioQED8iC1PdHPY6wZC9S43LwAU= =HCyC -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
Re: [expert] SO 5.3
Hi Wayne, Here is the message I sent to Pedro, about StarOffice when I downloaded it last night ... the chmod I understand makes the file executable, the *bin file is correct, it is the StarOffice 5.2 setup/install file and after you chmod, you can execute it.: I just downloaded the 97.xx meg file for StarOffice overnight and installed it with no problems. I registered when I downloaded and no serial number is needed for the free version downloaded. Are you having trouble installing it? In case you are having trouble, you install it as user, after chmod 777 staroffice install file name as su or root. From there it is smooth sailing ... I had to create a user accessible directory on my /root partition since after downloading the file I didn't have enough space to install it in the /home directory. I did this as su, then chown the directory to username.group and chmod the directory chmod 777 StarOffice (which was the name of the directory) and off I went. Real bummer too, I should have given a whole lot more room in my /home partition and /root partitions...now I am down to a measly just under 200 left on my /home partition (after I delete the StarOffice install file) and 46megs now on /root partition. I sure home that will be OK. When I was prompted for registration in the program, I checked that I had already registered when downloaded. I hope that helps some. Bambi Wayne Petherick wrote: I have gone to Suns web site and tried to download Staroffice 5.2. I click all of the right buttons, and select English Linux (x86) but when I get to the end and the software can be dl'd the only file that comes up is a .bin file. Is this the right one for MDK7? If so, how do I install it? I was under the impression this was a Solaris binary file but I may be wrong. Thanks, Wayne
Re: [expert] Real PLayer
Wonder if this is connected somehow to why I can't get a live stream from Live365.com? It apparently uses 'm3u' and 'pls' extensions on the live stuff. 'pls' was already in my xmms setup and I added in netscape the extensions to realplayer and it tries to open it but won't play anything but the realplayer 'theme' ...just can't get it to connect to the live365 stream. I have a direct link address for a weekly radio program that is live streaming on mp3 format (different site entirely) and go direct through xmms with no problem. And can get live radio broadcasts fine (that are not in the new media player format)...i.e. from Yahoo Broadcast. I am at a loss for how to do this as well. Bambi "Werner E. Niebel" wrote: James, I agree with much of your accessment. OK here is the weird thing... When I upgraded to Mandrake 7.1 this only started happenning... Yesterday I tried to connect to Dr Dean Edel and then could not .. I quick rebooted and tried in Mandrake 7.0 (since I installed them on separte partitions) and I could reboot in 7.0... It seems to either be a Mandrake 7.1 problem or Netscape or something I had in configuration that got overwritten. Im trying to troubleshoot this but it only has a problem with real time streams... I can connect to businesstalkradio fine yet other sites I cant. Incidentally if I try to get Dr Dean archives it works fine.. Its only with some real time streams... Any additional advice you or anyone has would be appreciated. Thanks Werner James Sparenberg wrote: Werner, There could be a couple of reasons that you can't connect and they aren't your fault. Since you can connect to the one site that indicates that your set up correctly (however this could be a bad assumption on my part I really doubt if it is.) 1. Rush's site is so slow or overloaded at the time you are trying to connect that it's just taking forever for RPlayer to get the data it needs and it's timing out or freezing. 2. The webmaster at rushes site made a typo on the page and as a result it can't connect correctly. 3. Since realplayer for linux is in a state of perpetual beta testing it could be unable to connect due to some weird Windoze only feature the webmaster has enacted. 4. The people at Real.com are liberals and they have added software to block Rush. :) Hope this helps. James At 10:46 AM 6/22/00, you wrote: Hi there, I had real player working and dont know what is going on in 7.1. If I go to a site like www.businesstalkradio.net and try to listen it works fine with the streaming audio...When I go to something like www.rushlimbaugh.com it doesnt work... Real player executes and says "contacting" forever yet never gets the stream...Anyone out there know what the netscape file structure and plugins well enough to help me out diagnose what is wrong... Thanks Werner
Re: [expert] rpmdrake and URLs
why not try gnorpm from terminal window as root while connected it will update itself and then you will have rpms from the net to choose from. Bambi Patrick Erler wrote: hallo Expert! can someone point me to HTTP or FTP urls which i can enter into rpmdrake or kpackage, so that i can install packages from the net? PAT -- vcard/LDAP/PGP: http://dresden-online.com/~perler/identity.html PGP fingerprint: DAC6 2FDA 1ED7 AD55 BD1F 5142 3D5F 72BF
Re: [expert] rpmdrake and URLs
BTW: I use gnorpm from the terminal window as root in KDE. Bambi Patrick Erler wrote: hallo Expert! can someone point me to HTTP or FTP urls which i can enter into rpmdrake or kpackage, so that i can install packages from the net? PAT -- vcard/LDAP/PGP: http://dresden-online.com/~perler/identity.html PGP fingerprint: DAC6 2FDA 1ED7 AD55 BD1F 5142 3D5F 72BF
Re: [expert] rpmdrake and URLs
actually that is not root per se, it is su Bambi Patrick Erler wrote: hallo Expert! can someone point me to HTTP or FTP urls which i can enter into rpmdrake or kpackage, so that i can install packages from the net? PAT -- vcard/LDAP/PGP: http://dresden-online.com/~perler/identity.html PGP fingerprint: DAC6 2FDA 1ED7 AD55 BD1F 5142 3D5F 72BF
Re: [expert] messages in triplicate (fwd)
Horray! Thanks Denis! Bambi Denis HAVLIK wrote: Hi, folks Thx to john ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), I have finaly found a way to eliminate the "dupes", I hope. It appears that these duplicates have more than on "X-Loop" line, so I am going to filter this from now on. I do not even WANT to think which weird mind has misconfigured his server in such a way that it bounces back to the list. But stuff like that is not going to be forwarded to you anymore. cheers Denis
Re: [expert] useradd
Just a thought...maybe it is not airport code...maybe it has to do with the version of Mandrake 7.0 (Air) you are using? Maybe that has something to do with it? Bambi Guillaume Rousse wrote: You can alos try mandrake tool userdrake (console or X), but i'm not sure if it is a autonomous tool, or just a frontend fro useardd. A+ Also sprach lun, 19 jun 2000 : I have recently installed (fresh) Mandrake 7.0. This machine is just for my home use, and only has one machine hooked to it, a Win 98 box. My problem is that yesterday, I tried to add a user via useradd and received an error on the lines of useradd :Binary :command not found Please enter the 3 letter airport code Done ... What the H##l is this. I get this same error via linuxconf, or terminal window. I get the same when I try to run adduser. Although both programs show as being on the drive! I get this whether I am logged in as Root or as user then su So I need to know how I can add a user now? Any help would be appreciated, Brian D. Klar - CVE OTS WPAFB (937)257-5773 937-973-3125 (Pager) -- Guillaume Rousse Iremia - Université de la Réunion Sleep doesn't exists. Just lack of cafeine.
Re: [expert] I'm baaaaack! =)
Your test message came through loud and clear :) Bambi Vincent Danen wrote: Well, it's good to be back... this is also a test message to make sure everything is working as it should be again... phew Hi guys! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net Freezer Burn BBS: telnet://bbs.freezer-burn.org . ICQ: 54924721 Webmaster for the Linux Portal Site Freezer Burn: http://www.freezer-burn.org Current Linux uptime: 13 days 13 hrs and 30 mins.
Re: [expert] Old Netscape and Java
Hi Payne, Upgrade to Netscape 4.72. I upgraded and it fixed the problem with Java. I am using the 128-bit. I got it from Netscape's site, however there is a mandrake i586 rpm as well. 128-bit is in crypto files. Someone else may need to give the URL for it though. I can't remember it off-hand. Hope that helps, Bambi Payne Stanifer wrote: I'm using Netscape Communicator 4.51. Whenever I go to a site that uses Java Netscape kills itself. Any idea on how to fix this or do I need to install a newer version of Netscape? Thanks. Payne Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [expert] Defrag counterpart in MDK
Thanks, Harondel Of course, you are correct. I realized my mistake after I sent the post. Bambi "Harondel J. SIbble" wrote: Not quite,what you are talking about is fsck - file system check, this is analagous to scandisk on the windows platform, it has abolutely nothing to do with fragmentation. It is run if the system has crashed or is shut down incorrectly and is also run as preventative measure every X number of boots On 12 Jun 2000, at 20:31, Fran Parker wrote: Far as I know, it does it on its own at a determined number of boots. You probably have seen it at one point or another during boot ... sometimes it takes longer to boot... You will see it looking at each partition and verifying everything and doing some maintenance on some files. Linux takes care of its own :) Harondel J. Sibble Sibble Computer Consulting Creating networking solutions for the small business and SOHO user. http://www.pdscc.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (pgp enabled) 604-739-3709 (voice/fax) 604-686-2253 (pager)
Re: [expert] Mandrake 7.1
You won't get killed here...I agree! But hopefully Konquerer will be that replacement :) Bambi TK Kim wrote: Neither. I am kinda sick of Netscape, too. I am probably gonna have to pay for saying this, but IE5 is a wholelot better browser. From: "Eugene C. Zesch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Mandrake 7.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:46:11 -0500 Hello listmembers, Can anyone tell me if 7.1 installs KDE2 and Kongueror? I'm so tired of Netscape I could spit! Thanks, Gene Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [expert] Defrag counterpart in MDK
Far as I know, it does it on its own at a determined number of boots. You probably have seen it at one point or another during boot ... sometimes it takes longer to boot... You will see it looking at each partition and verifying everything and doing some maintenance on some files. Linux takes care of its own :) Bambi WeiQuan Tian wrote: Dear all: Could any body know there is any utility like Defrag under Windows for optimization of Hard disk in Mandrake 6.0 or RPM in higher version? Thanks in advance, Wei Quan Tian
Re: [expert] Mandrake 7.1
Hi, Civileme I beg to differ with you. IE 5 with only security upgrades and toys from MS and all the plugins you could want worked great on my machineincluding a MS Agent toy to read me web pages, not the Bonzi Buddy (annoying), just a simple MS Agent script that would open your default Agent and read whatever you had highlighted on the page...then it would go away. Until you invoked it with the right mouse click Read It! It very rarely ever crashed. I came to Linux for the security issues not because IE5 was a problem. I had more problems with third party stuff than anything else. And I also came to Linux because I think it is a more stable OS, and more fun...lots to learn and lots of new things to play with. Netscrappy wasn't one of the things I was looking forward to. I didn't like it in Windows and I am totally not happy with it in Linux. Netscrappy bombs in Linux many more times than IE5 ever did. The real difference...I can kill it when it misbehaves, try that in Windows. Even if it gets a runaway situation I can still cleanly shut down in Linux. The browser was never the issue the OS was a major issue. The third party software that phoned home was an issue as well. The viruses. What clinched it for me was the stupid worm viruses. I just knew it was time to go to something more stable and secure. I still think IE5 has the best browser and Outlook Express the best ever email program out today. But I use netscrappy because it is the only one that is somewhat reasonable in Linuxso far. Of course, that is just my opinion and you know what they say about those :) Bambi Civileme wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12 Jun, TK Kim wrote: Neither. I am kinda sick of Netscape, too. I am probably gonna have to pay for saying this, but IE5 is a wholelot better browser. Well I have seen people with IE 5.5 trying to uninstall to get back to 5, but the 5 I saw working crashed about every quarter-hour. Netscape for Windows seems to work better than Netscape for linux, and I find Mozilla better in some regards but way way too "heavy" (Cluttered screen and slow) Netscape 6 Beta was far worse. I think AOL may manage to do what Microsoft and others could not--kill Netscape if they continue the direction. Compared to either of these Behemoths (IE or Netscape), Konqueror is light, fast, sleek, and can open sites that would freeze Netscape128 java-enabled in its tracks. I don't like IE for a LOT of reasons, and I think the best ever windows98 program developed is ie-off.exe because win98 runs 20-30% faster on other apps when msie code is disabled (and seems to crash less). Of course I have left all that behind me, now. If it doesn't run on linux these days, I don't use it. Anyway, Konqueror still crashes too often to be mainstream, (about the same as MSIE 5.5). Civileme I find it's a genralized feeling, although I've never used it. I prefer Mozilla but it still crashes too much. L -- Laurent Duperval "Montreal winters are an intelligence test, U|Force - Java Center and we who are here have failed it." Phone: (514) 282-8484 ext. 228 -Doug Camilli mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Penguin Power!
Re: [expert] RPMDrake and remote packages
You could try opening a terminal window, log in as su and open gnorpm (while on the internet) it will update itself to include programs from certain sites as an alternate location for rpms. That is if I read it correctly :) Pretty cool I use gnorpm all the time in KDE this way. Bambi root wrote: I'm having the same problem with both KPackage and RPMDrake. When I try to configure each to look for RPMs from a remote location (ftp or http), neither program will do so. KPackage simply stops cold, and RPMDrake says it's updating, but nothing happens. I have a good connection to my ISP, and I used to be able to make this work with no problems. The only thing in my configuration that has changed is that I have set up my Mandrake system to also be a server for another machine to connect to the internet via IP-Masquerade. That works fine, and I can browse the internet and send/receive email with no problems on my Mandrake machine. Any ideas?? Thanks very much in advance. Michael -- Michael Abbott Associate Professor of Theater Wabash College
[expert] [Fwd: [newbie] DOSEMU and ATI All in Wonder Pro]
I guess I should have put this in for the experts...I am a newbie but I think maybe this is an expert question since I got no response in the newbie list. Thanks for anything helpful with this problem. Bambi Fran Parker wrote: OK, now I am really stumped! I got DOSEMU to work. I got some Apogee dos-based games - early games that is to work with 16 color but not with VGA. Does anyone have an ATI All in Wonder Pro and know the settings in DOSEMU to make it work with VGA. I gave it the correct memory on the card, put VGA where you are supposed to, disabled sound since it appears to conflict...but no luck. Is there a trick to setting it up for this video card? I borrowed some of the options from the S3 card that my Jim has (except the amount of memory and choosing ati as the card) and it wouldn't even open DOSEMU! On a side note - I did get the XATITV to work that came with Mandrake 7.0...I was very happy with myself on that one! It was a bit tricky - certain things crash it - but I got it. Anyway, this DOSEMU thing is bugging me! Thanks in advance for any help, Bambi
Re: [expert]
This may not apply, but doesn't 7.1 use another loader other than LILO? Bambi Greg DeYoung wrote: I know this may not be the forum for this question but I posted it on the newbie list twice, and nobody seems to be able to give me an answer of what is happening. I know this not a unique problem, because I saw two other posts with the same problem. Please Help. Thanks, Greg DeYoung I just downloaded the new 7.1 and installed on my computer on the second hard drive. I'm running: Shuttle MB w/Celeron 500 128MB RAM IDE/33 1 - 6GB IDE 1 - 8GB IDE Voodo3 2000 AGP 5X DVD ATAPI ZIP Ensoniq Audio PCI I configured a 5GB partition as the Linux partition in the first slot of the second drive. Then I configured a 256MB Linux Swap. I'm also running System Commander 2000 as a boot manager. I installed 7.1 in expert mode and installed it to the first partition on the second hard drive. I set the LILO to boot from that partition. I also tried to do the same install only using GRUB in the same configuration. When I boot up into System Commander and choose the mandrake Linux to boot it will start to boot into the linux partition, and leave System Commander. Then I get the first letter of LILO "L" then a constant stream of 01 01 01 01 01 01 and it just continues. I have to reset the machine to get out of it. Anyone have any idea what is happening. I'm assuming it is a bad LILO install, but I reinstalled three times. Please Help... Thanks, Greg DeYoung __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com
Re: [expert] [Expert] How can I?
I second that...when free is as nice as gftp...why go elsewhere. Bambi Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 09:41 -0400, Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS wrote: A good GUI based FTP prog. is IglooFTP Pro. Reminds me a lot of Cute FTP. I'm using gFTP now for some time. It has a nice GUI, you can save your bookmarks, you can use it like a filemanager with two windows (like mc) and you can mark a whole bunch of files for D'l. I use it to up/download my homepage stuff It's part of Mandrake distro. wobo -- GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html
Re: [expert] XFree 4 vs 3.3.6 in 7.1
If you use KDE as one of your GUI interfaces: I find Find in KDE works great for finding files on any of the partitions I have including windows partitionssince you can search the entire / of the system. You choose where you want to limit the search. Great program. Bambi "Brash, Matthew" wrote: Now, where are the XF3 and XF4 binaries located? Furthermore, what's the EASIEST way to search for a file (recursively)? -Original Message- From: Sebastian Dransfeld [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 2:24 AM To: Stephen Boulet Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] XFree 4 vs 3.3.6 in 7.1 On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Stephen Boulet wrote: I selected the option of trying out xfree 4 in my upgrade to 7.1. Does anyone know how to choose between the two from the console? X is started witd /etc/X11/X, which is a symlink. So it can point to the XF4 binary (XFree86), or the XF3 (XF86_*). -- seb, short messages are nice :)
Re: [expert] curent topics @ http://linuxpole.com/
Thanks Denis...took advantage of the submission under two categories. This is great to have a voice...who knows whether it will help or not, but I appreciate the opportunity. Bambi Denis HAVLIK wrote: Below are currently discussed toppics on "linuxpole.com" (our experimental public forum): Policy: Guns versus Butter Install: Automated Install Install: Upgrade - what should it do? Doc: What makes a documentation "good" or bad? More to come... cu Denis -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---oOO--(_)--OOo- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
Re: [expert]
John, I thought I had read that somewhere. Good to know it is a nice one. Thanks, Bambi "McDonald, John GSM1 (SIMASD)" wrote: Yes it's called "grub" pretty nice although I have only used it once by accident. Mac -Original Message- From: Fran Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 5:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] This may not apply, but doesn't 7.1 use another loader other than LILO? Bambi Greg DeYoung wrote: I know this may not be the forum for this question but I posted it on the newbie list twice, and nobody seems to be able to give me an answer of what is happening. I know this not a unique problem, because I saw two other posts with the same problem. Please Help. Thanks, Greg DeYoung I just downloaded the new 7.1 and installed on my computer on the second hard drive. I'm running: Shuttle MB w/Celeron 500 128MB RAM IDE/33 1 - 6GB IDE 1 - 8GB IDE Voodo3 2000 AGP 5X DVD ATAPI ZIP Ensoniq Audio PCI I configured a 5GB partition as the Linux partition in the first slot of the second drive. Then I configured a 256MB Linux Swap. I'm also running System Commander 2000 as a boot manager. I installed 7.1 in expert mode and installed it to the first partition on the second hard drive. I set the LILO to boot from that partition. I also tried to do the same install only using GRUB in the same configuration. When I boot up into System Commander and choose the mandrake Linux to boot it will start to boot into the linux partition, and leave System Commander. Then I get the first letter of LILO "L" then a constant stream of 01 01 01 01 01 01 and it just continues. I have to reset the machine to get out of it. Anyone have any idea what is happening. I'm assuming it is a bad LILO install, but I reinstalled three times. Please Help... Thanks, Greg DeYoung __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com
Re: [expert] Gaim 0.9.18 RPM troubles.
Well, lets see : my system is a Celeron 366 with 64Megs RAM, All in Wonder Pro, Realtek cheapy network card, Yamaha SAx sound card built into the KA-6100 via chipset motherboard. USB (for scanner) that doesn't work. ATAPI IDE (Acer, I think) 36X CDrom drive, Three western digital drives 1.6G, 10.2G and 540MB, running mode 4 on all IDEs but the 540MB drive. HP5000 printer that works with alternate drivers in Linux. Dual boot system, Windows 98 on C: drive (1.6G) and Linux sharing the 10.2G with a single Windows partition on D: drive. I have a /, /home, /swap, and /boot partition for linux. Lilo boot loader on C. I started out with major problems with sound and modem due I believe to the via chipset. My Jim figured out the problem, I was going to settle for no sound as long as I could get to the internet :) But he figured it out. Now I have no problems going between Windoze and Linux, cold or warm boot and everything remains the same. It was a major chore...but he did it. I usually have not had a problem with installation of RPMs, although there have been a few. I have not had much trouble with tar/gz either. And my compilers work great. I too have most of the CD installed :) I think I have been lucky with that to make up for the major brain cramp it gave me trying to figure out what went wrong with the stupid sound and modem. It was a major problem with PnP and non PnP devices...and Jim won! He put the computer through all kinds of contortions it had never seen before. Course he did make Windows keep the settings that Linux wanted and then gave Linux a (ISAPNP) lobotomy after he got a configuration Linux liked Now both Windoze and Linux keep the configuration instead of getting wishy- washy every time I would go into windows and back to Linux, even from a cold boot. They can never change the settings again. I hope :) Both Windows and Linux must abide by the settings they agreed upon. Just like errant children! Anyway, that's my story. Bambi Civileme wrote: Fran Parker wrote: I don't get it. I installed the gaim-0.9.18-1.i386.rpm and had none of these troubles. Sorry, Bambi Civileme wrote: "Alan N." wrote: Ivan Trail wrote: Hello. After the recent discussion on getting Gaim 0.9.18, I tried it out. I can't get .tar.gz to compile as I don't have all the stuff needed to do this. So a trip to the ftp site at marko.net ended me with an RPM. After installing it, all seems to go well, but after siginig on, the second window appears for the splittest of split seconds and the app colses it's self. The debug script is so fast I can't read it and the debug window closes with the rest of the app. If I open it from a terminal, the sam happens but in the terminal I get "segmentation fault" which doesn't sound too good at all. Any help would be appreciated, either getting the tar or RPM going. I used gaim quite extensively, because it is a good program. I'm in the EXACT SAME SITUATION you are. Identical. I too would like the solution. I am running Helix-Gnome if it matters. Alan -- - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Running RedHat Linux 6.2 and/or BeOS 5.0. No Windows involved! - Can reproduce here. Should we have the packager taken out and shot? Ummm I have a better idea, let's ask for a refund. ;-} Yes it looks like the rpm needs to be repackaged. I can compile from the tarball and it works but if I build from the src.rpm or use the binary rpm... I reproduce the behavior of which you speak. Get out your distro CDs and add a few packages, like the libs that have -devel- in the name and make sure you have a version of the compiler for g++ to point to. Alternatively, go to www.everybuddy.com and download the rpm. You cannot find chat rooms as easily, but you have access to Yahoo, MSN, AIM, and ICQ in one program. I know that rpm works, and if you have an addiction to or friends on any of those services, you can use it until someone replaces the package. Civileme Hmmm, time to compare systems I have it on two systems FIC PAG 2130 K6-2 500 128M RAM Realtek 8139 eth0 Internet through a P133 running L-M 6.1 Shuttle HOT-591 VIA MVP3 K6-2 400 ^4M RAM Trident 975 AGP OPL-3 based Soundcard Realtek 8029 running through the same firewall. I can make the tarball and it works. The RPM doesn't One system uses 7.0-2 (SHuttle) and the other uses 7.1 ... Both are full development installs with just about every package. No windows or other systems on them. Both systems have one hard drive (IBM) running hdparm optimised for UDMA 33, one has CDRW one had Panasonic PD drive, both have floppies and LS120s Civileme
Re: [expert] Gaim 0.9.18 RPM troubles.
By the way Civileme, of course the computer has one floppy too. But that wasn't why I was writing again. Where did your gaim install? My is in /usr/bin/gaim /usr/lib/gaim and of course the normal doc and share locations. Also there is one thing that is driving me nuts and that is the DOSEMU...it will not run my vga games! Wouldn't have any hints on that one would you? I posted this under a separate item a day or two ago in newbie with no one able to help, so today I posted it in expert list. Got it all set up so it will run but it won't play any apogee games like Paganitzu or Duke Nukem 2 ... I haven't tried Duke Nukem 3D since I can't get these others to run. I am figuring that there must be some memory thing or video card thing that I need to tweak but I haven't hit on it yet. Thanks for any light you can shed on this. Bambi Civileme wrote: Fran Parker wrote: I don't get it. I installed the gaim-0.9.18-1.i386.rpm and had none of these troubles. Sorry, Bambi Civileme wrote: "Alan N." wrote: Ivan Trail wrote: Hello. After the recent discussion on getting Gaim 0.9.18, I tried it out. I can't get .tar.gz to compile as I don't have all the stuff needed to do this. So a trip to the ftp site at marko.net ended me with an RPM. After installing it, all seems to go well, but after siginig on, the second window appears for the splittest of split seconds and the app colses it's self. The debug script is so fast I can't read it and the debug window closes with the rest of the app. If I open it from a terminal, the sam happens but in the terminal I get "segmentation fault" which doesn't sound too good at all. Any help would be appreciated, either getting the tar or RPM going. I used gaim quite extensively, because it is a good program. I'm in the EXACT SAME SITUATION you are. Identical. I too would like the solution. I am running Helix-Gnome if it matters. Alan -- - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Running RedHat Linux 6.2 and/or BeOS 5.0. No Windows involved! - Can reproduce here. Should we have the packager taken out and shot? Ummm I have a better idea, let's ask for a refund. ;-} Yes it looks like the rpm needs to be repackaged. I can compile from the tarball and it works but if I build from the src.rpm or use the binary rpm... I reproduce the behavior of which you speak. Get out your distro CDs and add a few packages, like the libs that have -devel- in the name and make sure you have a version of the compiler for g++ to point to. Alternatively, go to www.everybuddy.com and download the rpm. You cannot find chat rooms as easily, but you have access to Yahoo, MSN, AIM, and ICQ in one program. I know that rpm works, and if you have an addiction to or friends on any of those services, you can use it until someone replaces the package. Civileme Hmmm, time to compare systems I have it on two systems FIC PAG 2130 K6-2 500 128M RAM Realtek 8139 eth0 Internet through a P133 running L-M 6.1 Shuttle HOT-591 VIA MVP3 K6-2 400 ^4M RAM Trident 975 AGP OPL-3 based Soundcard Realtek 8029 running through the same firewall. I can make the tarball and it works. The RPM doesn't One system uses 7.0-2 (SHuttle) and the other uses 7.1 ... Both are full development installs with just about every package. No windows or other systems on them. Both systems have one hard drive (IBM) running hdparm optimised for UDMA 33, one has CDRW one had Panasonic PD drive, both have floppies and LS120s Civileme
Re: [expert] Gaim 0.9.18 RPM troubles.
I don't get it. I installed the gaim-0.9.18-1.i386.rpm and had none of these troubles. Sorry, Bambi Civileme wrote: "Alan N." wrote: Ivan Trail wrote: Hello. After the recent discussion on getting Gaim 0.9.18, I tried it out. I can't get .tar.gz to compile as I don't have all the stuff needed to do this. So a trip to the ftp site at marko.net ended me with an RPM. After installing it, all seems to go well, but after siginig on, the second window appears for the splittest of split seconds and the app colses it's self. The debug script is so fast I can't read it and the debug window closes with the rest of the app. If I open it from a terminal, the sam happens but in the terminal I get "segmentation fault" which doesn't sound too good at all. Any help would be appreciated, either getting the tar or RPM going. I used gaim quite extensively, because it is a good program. I'm in the EXACT SAME SITUATION you are. Identical. I too would like the solution. I am running Helix-Gnome if it matters. Alan -- - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Running RedHat Linux 6.2 and/or BeOS 5.0. No Windows involved! - Can reproduce here. Should we have the packager taken out and shot? Ummm I have a better idea, let's ask for a refund. ;-} Yes it looks like the rpm needs to be repackaged. I can compile from the tarball and it works but if I build from the src.rpm or use the binary rpm... I reproduce the behavior of which you speak. Get out your distro CDs and add a few packages, like the libs that have -devel- in the name and make sure you have a version of the compiler for g++ to point to. Alternatively, go to www.everybuddy.com and download the rpm. You cannot find chat rooms as easily, but you have access to Yahoo, MSN, AIM, and ICQ in one program. I know that rpm works, and if you have an addiction to or friends on any of those services, you can use it until someone replaces the package. Civileme
Re: [expert] Re: DISCUSION Upgrade (fwd)
Hi Denis, Upgrade ... the biggest thing I have always expected from an upgrade no matter what the OS, is safety and reliability. I don't want to lose what I have and I want it to reliably upgrade the 'packages' or 'programs' included with the operating system while maintaining compatibility with the hardware I have. Of course, new and different features without compromising safety, security and reliability. Tall order, but necessary. Thanks for asking, Bambi Denis HAVLIK wrote: Hi, folks It feels strange when I have to reply to my own message but... I thought that "upgrade" is an extremely important topic, yet no one wants to discuss it. Does it mean that you are not interested (so we should stop worying about upgrade) or what? I repeat: :~What do you expect from upgrade? cu Denis -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---oOO--(_)--OOo- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [expert] gAIM 0.9.17 rpm or binary
me too, went to markos to get it, clicked on the ftp site where I got i386.rpm which installed and is running fine as far as I can telljust installed last night and I got online no problem. the away is a bit odd on it though otherwise appears to work well. Bambi Civileme wrote: John Kofinas wrote: Dunno, I am running 0.9.17 gaim and get no config still... I am on 0.9.18 as I write this Civileme
Re: [expert] cron question
You have a good point about netscrappy :) But truthfully...running any internet stuff as root is just not wise. Bambi Tom Berger wrote: On Sun, 04 (06/00) at 18:44 +, Fran Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't running netscape as root dangerous? Bambi ---tom:--- Isn't running Netscape at all dangerous? ;) tom "Michael E. Shea" wrote: Alex V Flinsch wrote: On Sun, 04 Jun 2000, you wrote: I am trying to get dynamip (www.dynamip.com) to work with my linux box and cable modem connection. Dynamip gives you a "subdomain.dynamip.com" address for $3 buck a month. To get their service to work with Linux, I will have to use cron to force netscape to open a specific url every 15 minutes. I am in the process of putting together some scripts to do just that. As a test, I did the following. I made a file called "netscapetab" with the contents: #Start of netscapetab #! /bin/sh netscape -noraise -remote 'openurl(http://www.news.com)' #End of netscapetab I did a "chkmod +x netscapetab" to make the script executable. Run from the shell, this script will find the first open netscape window and load up the News.com web site. As a test of cron I modified my crontab as follows #Start of crontab SHELL=/bin/bash PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin MAILTO=root HOME=/ # run-parts 01 * * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.hourly 02 4 * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.daily 22 4 * * 0 root run-parts /etc/cron.weekly 42 4 1 * * root run-parts /etc/cron.monthly */1 * * * * root /usr/bin/netscapetab # Mandrake-Security : if you remove this comment, remove the next line too. 0 0 * * *root/etc/security/msec/cron-sh/security.sh #End of crontab Now /var/log/cron shows /usr/bin/netscapetab running every minute. But my browser window does not open News.com. Any ideas. idea 1 -- your script is running as root, your open netscape window isn't, and can't be found idea 2 -- do you really need to waste all that memory running netscape to get the url? From the above, you just need to hit some website every few minutes to have your dynamic ip assignment working. And I assume that news.com is not the real website that you need to hit, it's probablly something on dynamip.com. Why not try something like wget -O /dev/null http://www.news.com in your crontab instead? -- Alex (Go easy on me, I'm a COBOL programmer in real life) Idea 1 is not the problem, as I ran netscape as root. But idea 2 I really like. I did not know about the wget program. I am going to give that a try. ---end quoted text--- -- Thomas 'tom' Berger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.mandrakeuser.org/ "Alice moving under skies Never seen by waking-eyes" All advice provided without warranty of any kind. I *may* be wrong ...
Re: [expert] KDE theme manager
Hey I can't believe it...I can actually help someone else for a change! Paul gave me this fix for the known bug (as Denis calls it) regarding .kderc ... fix follows: as root do a chown user.user for .kderc e.g. chown fran.fran .kderc or chown bambi.bambi .kderc Works like a champ! And thanks again Paul and Denis for helping on this one! Bambi martin hansen wrote: I am having trouble with the theme manager i KDE, on my mandrake 7.0 system As root i have no problem, but as normal user i have the following problem. (one of my buddies have the exact same problem too, on a new installation). When i select a theme all works fine except the desktop buttons on the panel and the windowborderbakcground do not change color. When i run kthememgr from a term i get the following error messages, i've cut away the first 20 lines, as it is the same series of errors repeating itself: . . . . kthememgr: QFile::putch: File not open kthememgr: QFile::writeBlock: File not open kthememgr: QFile::writeBlock: File not open kthememgr: QFile::writeBlock: File not open kthememgr: QFile::putch: File not open sh: pidof: command not found kill: usage: kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec] [pid | job]... or kill -l [sigspec] -- | ( x x ) -oOo---U---oOo- | | | Stud. Ing. | | Martin Hansen | | ICQ: 28332283 | | | | "klogest er den som ved,| | hvad han ikke ved" | | Ooo | |_ooO( )| ( )) / \ ((_/ \_)
Re: [expert] KDE theme manager
Martin, Had a feeling it might :) Bambi martin hansen wrote: Alan Shoemaker wrote: martinto fix your problem (assuming that your login name is martin): 1) in console mode login as root. 2) type: chown martin.martin /home/martin/.kderc To Alan and Fran tanks. It solved the problem. -- | ( x x ) -oOo---U---oOo- | | | Stud. Ing. | | Martin Hansen | | ICQ: 28332283 | | | | "klogest er den som ved,| | hvad han ikke ved" | | Ooo | |_ooO( )| ( )) / \ ((_/ \_)
Re: [expert] cron question
Isn't running netscape as root dangerous? Bambi "Michael E. Shea" wrote: Alex V Flinsch wrote: On Sun, 04 Jun 2000, you wrote: I am trying to get dynamip (www.dynamip.com) to work with my linux box and cable modem connection. Dynamip gives you a "subdomain.dynamip.com" address for $3 buck a month. To get their service to work with Linux, I will have to use cron to force netscape to open a specific url every 15 minutes. I am in the process of putting together some scripts to do just that. As a test, I did the following. I made a file called "netscapetab" with the contents: #Start of netscapetab #! /bin/sh netscape -noraise -remote 'openurl(http://www.news.com)' #End of netscapetab I did a "chkmod +x netscapetab" to make the script executable. Run from the shell, this script will find the first open netscape window and load up the News.com web site. As a test of cron I modified my crontab as follows #Start of crontab SHELL=/bin/bash PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin MAILTO=root HOME=/ # run-parts 01 * * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.hourly 02 4 * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.daily 22 4 * * 0 root run-parts /etc/cron.weekly 42 4 1 * * root run-parts /etc/cron.monthly */1 * * * * root /usr/bin/netscapetab # Mandrake-Security : if you remove this comment, remove the next line too. 0 0 * * *root/etc/security/msec/cron-sh/security.sh #End of crontab Now /var/log/cron shows /usr/bin/netscapetab running every minute. But my browser window does not open News.com. Any ideas. idea 1 -- your script is running as root, your open netscape window isn't, and can't be found idea 2 -- do you really need to waste all that memory running netscape to get the url? From the above, you just need to hit some website every few minutes to have your dynamic ip assignment working. And I assume that news.com is not the real website that you need to hit, it's probablly something on dynamip.com. Why not try something like wget -O /dev/null http://www.news.com in your crontab instead? -- Alex (Go easy on me, I'm a COBOL programmer in real life) Idea 1 is not the problem, as I ran netscape as root. But idea 2 I really like. I did not know about the wget program. I am going to give that a try.
Re: [expert] OT: Google and Linux
That is amazing! I love the tidbits you get in this forum. Bambi Pj wrote: Google may be running more Linux servers than anyone else in the world, with 4,000 machines operating and plans to increase to 6,000. Pj
Re: [expert] future distro ideas
Thanks Denis I appreciate you writing back. Talking about what has happened to your network definitely answers some questions. (Also some others have written and seen the same thing) I guess it is not as widespread as the sampling from the list indicated. Bambi Denis HAVLIK wrote: :~I am not sure what you are referring to here. :~We had a power outage and I was all worried because :~everyone talks about what happens when you don't :~cleanly boot out of Linux, but it came back up fine. :~It forces a 'scan' of the Linux partitions, but they come :~back 'passed'. Once in a while it can happen that you have to run fsck manually and answer "yes" to all its question. It can happen that you loose a file or two in a proces - parts of the files end-up in /lost-and-found dir. The reason for this is always the same: no journaling system, therefore if system crashes in the middle of writing a file, we have a problem. Same problem exists on vfat, I do not know about NTFS. This could lead to problems, If you have been editing /etc/fstab at the moment of crash, but usually it is just a minor nuisance. During last 6 years, I have managed a small cluster of linux machines at university of Vienna. These machines were never shut down unless we got power problems. In this time, our building was hit by a lightning twice, which caused total electricity loss, and burn-up of some network cards. During last 2 years, there were intensive renovation works in the building, and workers have repeteately cut of power cables (network cables too, including the backbone once). All-in-all, a rather hard working enviroment, and in all this time I actually saw that few files were lost only once - did rpm -Va, and reinstalled the package. :~We sometimes lose power here with electrical storms. :~ :~What situation does it have to be for it not to come back? Good question. Maybe he thought "does not automatically come back again, which is something you will see every time fsck finds a problem which COULD lead to loss of some data, and refuses to work non-interactively. Btw: with onset of new yournaling filesystems (ReiserFS, ext3), this will soon be a non-issue anyway. :~ As much as I dislike Windows, I can always count on Windows :~ coming back from this kind of situation. It will complain, run :~ scandisk, and come back up. You might have some application :~ files corrupted, but at least the OS will run. -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---oOO--(_)--OOo-
Re: [expert] future distro ideas
Hi Charles, Thanks for your input between everyone who graciously responded to my question...I am gaining a much better understanding of why it can happen that you will lose stuff in a power outage, but it doesn't necessarily mean you will. Guess we have been the lucky ones, as well as many others who have seen the same thing. I enjoy learning more and more about Linux everyday. This list is a great learning tool and I try to check the "multitudinous" daily messages every day most days anyway :) Thanks again, Bambi Charles Curley wrote: On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:11:13PM +0200, Denis HAVLIK wrote: - :~I am not sure what you are referring to here. - :~We had a power outage and I was all worried because - :~everyone talks about what happens when you don't - :~cleanly boot out of Linux, but it came back up fine. - :~It forces a 'scan' of the Linux partitions, but they come - :~back 'passed'. - - Once in a while it can happen that you have to run fsck manually and - answer "yes" to all its question. It can happen that you loose a file or - two in a proces - parts of the files end-up in /lost-and-found dir. - - The reason for this is always the same: no journaling system, therefore if - system crashes in the middle of writing a file, we have a problem. Same - problem exists on vfat, I do not know about NTFS. For the record, NTFS is a journaling file system, and has been since day one. W2K has W32 level access to portions of it. - - This could lead to problems, If you have been editing /etc/fstab at the - moment of crash, but usually it is just a minor nuisance. During last 6 - years, I have managed a small cluster of linux machines at university - of Vienna. These machines were never shut down unless we got power - problems. In this time, our building was hit by a lightning twice, which - caused total electricity loss, and burn-up of some network cards. During - last 2 years, there were intensive renovation works in the building, and - workers have repeteately cut of power cables (network cables too, - including the backbone once). All-in-all, a rather hard working - enviroment, and in all this time I actually saw that few files were lost - only once - did rpm -Va, and reinstalled the package. - - - :~We sometimes lose power here with electrical storms. - :~ - :~What situation does it have to be for it not to come back? - - Good question. Maybe he thought "does not automatically come back again, - which is something you will see every time fsck finds a problem which - COULD lead to loss of some data, and refuses to work non-interactively. - - Btw: with onset of new yournaling filesystems (ReiserFS, ext3), this - will soon be a non-issue anyway. SGI and IBM have also released journaling file systems, and they are being adapted to Linux. Hmmm, NT comes with two file systems, one of which is journaling. Linux comes with how many, of which four are or will be journaling? "No worries." -- -- C^2 No windows were crashed in the making of this email. Looking for fine software and/or web pages? http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley
Re: [expert] future distro ideas
I am not sure what you are referring to here. We had a power outage and I was all worried because everyone talks about what happens when you don't cleanly boot out of Linux, but it came back up fine. It forces a 'scan' of the Linux partitions, but they come back 'passed'. My Jim has had the same experiences. Granted we both have been in Linux for probably a lot shorter time than most of you have been...me a month or two and Jim for almost a yearbut we have not seen this on either Jim's RedHat 6.0 or my Mandrake 7.0 We sometimes lose power here with electrical storms. What situation does it have to be for it not to come back? Bambi "Jose M. Sanchez" wrote: -Original Message- From: Bruce Endries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 7:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] future distro ideas Here's my "two cents worth": As much as I dislike Windows, I can always count on Windows coming back from this kind of situation. It will complain, run scandisk, and come back up. You might have some application files corrupted, but at least the OS will run. Bruce Endries Bruce Endries Consulting (607) 433-2677 I'll throw in my $.01 worth... You've merely been lucky. Windows System files are more readily rendered corrupt, since often they are held open. (I won't go into the details concerning erroneous IDE/SCSI write ops during abnormal outages..) For a true point of comparison though, don't compare Linux to Windows, rather to NT. Try killing power on NT a few times... -JMS
Re: [expert] power suggestion for Bambi
Thanks Olly and everyone! Appreciate the feedback. You are all right...a UPS is the answer to ensuring that Linux will always exit gracefully. Thanks, Bambi "Oliver L. Plaine Jr." wrote: On Sun, 28 May 2000 10:16:28 -0400, Fran wrote: We sometimes lose power here with electrical storms. What situation does it have to be for it not to come back? === Sun, 28 May 2000 11:21:48 I won't try to address the technical aspects of power lossage induced malfunctions in the Linux system, other than to say sometimes you get lucky, and sometimes if the disc is being written to at the time of power failure it is corrupted. I can however tell you how I cured my problem with the constantly inconsistent rural power, in this thunderstorm ravaged area of the south gulf coast of Mississippi. Buy a uninterruptable power supply (UPS)..I got a cheap unit from "Sam Walmart" that has batteries inside and automatically switches the power at the instant of failure. It has the capability to run for several minutes giving time to properly shut down. The same unit has been running over four years and the batteries still are able to let me ignore the short outages that occur so often here...sometimes the only thing in the house that is lit is the computer screen. As I remember it was near $100 or less...$25 a year is cheap enough for peace of mind. Later Olly P Biloxi
Re: [newbie] DISCUSSION: hardware support
Hi Denis,
What I want...gee I don't know...like everyone I guess...the moon!
But to get it back to reality (I hope), I think that software is great, and
there
is plenty of that ...thank goodness in Linux Mandrake, and what it doesn't
have you can get from somewhere...as long as it is being written for Linux.
Even the libraries and other dependency items can be gotten and are stable.
My wish list would be better hardware support. Specifically, the TV side
of my All in Wonder Pro...so I can port my computer to the TV and use the
DVD capabilities of the card. I have a USB scanner that I would love to
use...doesn't see it . Had an interesting time configuring my Yamaha
OPLSA3 card on my MB with VIA chipset (had to set bios to PnP, yes
I said PnP to get the card to install), then remove the ISAPNP support
in Linux once it is configured and reboot, then change the bios to NOT
be PnP so Linux will see my USR internal Sportster modem. This was
a little trick we played on Mandrake Linux ... and it was the only way
to get both modem AND sound to work at the same time. with my
MB and hardware configuration.
Festival or other voice recognition support that works would be nice
also. I can't get that to work on my Linux and it works on my Jim's
RedHat Linux box.
Anyway, I love software and install a lot of it, all the time, but software
is not as big an issue to me as hardware support.
As Forest Gump said, "that's all I've got to say about that."
Thanks for listening,
Bambi
Denis HAVLIK wrote:
Hi, folks!
What follows is probably a single most important letter I ever posted on
these mailing lists, so please read it very carefully!
[ANNOUNCEMENT]
We (Mandrakesoft) are starting internal discussions about future of
our distributions NOW. We want you to take part in the process of
improving our next distro.
- NOW is a time to ask us whatever you want: tell us what you like, tell
us what you hate, tell us what you dream of!
- NOW is a time for you to influence the future company decisions - start
thinking, and if you come up with a briliant idea, post it here.
Starting NOW, I am going to stop sleeping, eating, or doing any other job
which would interfere with currently most important task: Making sure we
make the best decisions based on whatever input we can get.
[RULES]
* Basically everything you can think of is open for discussion, except
question of including non-free software in the core of our distro, which
is absolute NO-NO.
* Listen to what other people have to say. Try keeping the signal/noise
ratio as high as possible.
* One topic per e-mail and informative subject line help us a lot. ("125
Great ideas!!!" is a very bad subject line.)
* Please, try to avoid any kind of flaming on the list for the next 10
days.
* Finaly, If you have time and skills to pick up ideas from long
discussion threads and write a good summary, please do it, it will help us
a lot.
[TOPICS]
Topics we are particularly interested in at this moment include:
1) ergonomics: What should our user interfaces look like in the
future, what should we improve in our desktop configuration, which things
need polishing...
2) install:Which features of our current installation
program (DrakX) do you like, which features are you missing, what is not
clear enough? The same question goes for post-install configuration
tools.
3) packages: which packages to add, what to remove from the distro,
which subset of packages is really nessesary for a minimal install,
and which packages are "just add-ons"?
4) tools: which new tools (packages) should we develop ourselves, or
improve in case we are already developing them? Many great
programs already exist out there, so we really badly need to know
which important linux tools you still miss, in order to
concentrate on them in the future.
5) system policy: We want to make our system "logical" by following the
Linux Standards, and being consistent in the way
"things" (services, settings) are implemented. Tell us where
we need to improve.
6) security policy: Closely related to point "6". You know that we care a
lot about security, don't you? Well, the problem is choosing right
security settings for various situations.
(If you feel that we have forgotten an important topic, just start a
discusion on it, the list should not be taken too strictly)
I am going to spend a lot of time in reading "newbie" and "expert" mailing
lists during next two weeks. Guillaume will do the same on the
"cooker" list, and other members of the company may pop-up and take
part in discussion too, for topics they may be particularly interested in
(and if they get time to do it, our schedule is bursting).
At the end of the discussion cycle (in two weeks), I will try to write a
resume of what has been decided and share it with you.
yours
Re: [expert] Group Owner Of Dos Partitions
I like the fact that a user can not write to the dos partitions personally. But what I do when I want to write to the dos partitition is go to system, file manager (super user mode), use root's password and then I can do whatever I want to the dos partition without any trouble and from a graphical file manager. I think that is pretty slick and still keeps the dos partition secure even from me unless I make a conscience effort to mess with it. Works great for the archiving of my mp3 files on the dos partition and using them from anywhere...my linux box or any of the other 3 computers in the house via samba. Anyway, that's my two cents :) Bambi Adam Talbot wrote: Hi. I've just setup Linux and I've got a user (me) that I want to give access to the dos partitions (/mnt/DOS_hda1...) but I can't seem to do that. I've tried changing the owner of these partitions (chgrp and chown) but it says I can't do that. I've also tried changing the access rights (chmod) but that doesn't work either. I was wondering how I can give a user write access to these partitions? Thanks, Adam.
Re: [expert] installing Wordperfect
hi lorne, Yes, I installed the WordPerfect 8 for Linux on my Mandrake 7.0 and it went off without a hitch. How did you try to install it? Bambi lorne schachter wrote: I'm running Mandrake 7.0 and I'm trying to reinstall WordPerfect from the tar files downloaded from Corel. The first problem is that the uname values, especially version, aren't recognized by the script, so I had to go around and comment them out and hard code values. Still can't get the scripts to work (thought they did work with 6.0). Has anyone been able to install WordPerfect on 7.0? In a similar vein, I've got a copy of Corel Linux with WordPerfect in it, but it's a Debian package. Is there a way to load Debian packages on Mandrake? Any information will be appreciated. Thanks, Lorne -- Lorne Schachter (732) 819-0460, (732)819-0460 (FAX) http://www.intact.com/~lorne
Re: [expert] My complaints about MDK 7.0
I think Denis strongly recommended NOT using Beta2 and to use Beta3 instead. I may be wrong. Bambi Frederik Dannemare wrote: [cut] Well, in "recomended" (now called Authomated) mode installer just tries to make you happy by putting as much as your HD can take to HD. so does this mean I get to have EVERYTHING installed, if I have, say, 20 GB of free diskspace? I just tried mandrake 7 beta 2 yesterday, but I really, really missed some kind of 'install EVERYTHING' feature. Well, maybe I just overlooked it? btw, I also got the following error (during beta 2 install) when I was just about to set the time zone: "An error has occurred cannot list the available zoneinfos." It happens no matter what install procedure I choose (recommended, cust., expert, - normail, devel., server) I have an Asus P2B mobo running an Intel Pentium II 450 mhz cpu. If anybody cant help me out on this me, please let me know Regards Frederik from Denmark
Re: [expert] pop up window for linux/windows?
This list is great! LinPopUp is a great tool. We have a two-story house. and we have four computers; two dual-boot Linux (Mandrake/Win98 - mine and RedHat/Win95 - JimmyLee), as well as a separate Win95 box and a WFW box. We got it running on my computer and the Win95 box messaged me. But I couldn't message back...installed Samba-Client and voila! Works great both ways. Can hardly wait to try it on the other two. Thanks! Bambi Civileme wrote: "Bruce E. Harris" wrote: I am asking this question because I am not sure how to even search for it. I finally got my wife's Japanese Win95 on the home network. It there a client/server package we can use for pop up messages between our two computers? TIA -- Best Regards, Bruce www.littleigloo.org linpopup Civileme -- BETA-testing Netscape 6 and its mailer
Re: [expert] OT: Linux Newbie
You tell 'em! To all you 'experts' out there: Thank you all so much for being there. You won't find ingratitude here. Bambi John Connell wrote: You *GO* girl! RIght on! John Subject: [expert] OT: Linux Newbie Hello List, My comments are not intended to start a thread or a flame. Please contact me privately if you feel compelled to comment. I am a newbie, a fact I do not hide. I joined this group several months ago to learn- when I loaded my very first mdk distro and discovered how deep the water is. You have taught me well and for that I am grateful and I thank you for your time and patience. During these months I've watched an ugly metamorphisis take plce. The list then was monitored by Mandrake developers and programers. They generously took time to respond. The list then was filled with replies from some of the brightest minds in the Linux communtity. Combined, these folks probably had a million years of *NIX experience they were willing to share just for asking. So what happened? From my vantage point I've seen an erosion not only in the type of question but also the attitude. This list was composed of well-mannered men and women..what my father would call ladies and gentlemen. The list slowly changed from a polite demeanor to one of demanding, shouting, cursing and temper tantrums. Our Mandrake developers have been cussed, discussed and generally trashed because some whiny baby doesn't know how to use a new operating system. Thus the fault changed from the operator to the program creators. [Speaking for myself I can only say that every error message I've seen in Venus, my distro, has been of my own making becasue I don't understand the basics yet.] This list is for Mandrake Experts. It is not a baby-sitting service. No one on this list is obligated to answer any question. No one is obligated to answer instantly. Your demands, my demands and future demands are just that: demands. The gentle members of this list frequently ignore these messages as they should. Lately, I've read a lot of messages with attitude written all over the subjet line: "How many times do I have to...?"; "Mandrake Sucks"; "I've written x times why ...?". Regardless of content the message is the same: I am the most important person on this list and I demand an answer right now! Guess what? You aren't the most important person on this list. Everyone has equal standing. If you don't have a life, get one. As far as I have been able to determine there is no perfect operating system. Not every piece of hardware made will work on every system. Not every piece of software written will work on every system. There are too many machine configurations to consider. The advantage of Linux, particularly the Mandrake distro, over Winblows is twofold: MUG and modules. If *it* doen't work to your satisfaction you can fix *it* yourself without waiting months for a patch that fixes your whole system. Many times in the past a Mandrake developer would posted a small script to fix a particularly thorny problem for one person. I don't see this anymore. To the people who need this list the most, I have some advice: Be polite. Please and thank you go a long way toward getting a quick response. Be patient. We live in every time zone in the world, please take this into consideration as well as the fact that we all have private lives. STOP SCREAMING!! It's annoying and a guaranteed way to not receive a reply. Stop making demands; it's rude. Admit you don't know how to do something and be grateful when you get the answer. We all have frustrating issues, don't let it spill into this list. This MUG is a great group of guys and gals, please help keep it that way. Thanks, Pj
Re: [expert] test
Hi Denis ... what does that mean...moved to sympa? Do I have to re-sign up now? Or will I start getting the Expert ones again now? Thanks, Bambi Denis Havlik wrote: Expert has been moved to sympa
Re: [expert] Feels good to be back again
Hi Denis ... disregard my last post...duh! Of course I won't have to re-sign up...I got your message! Thanks, Bambi Denis HAVLIK wrote: Hi, experts, gurus co. ! I suppose I own you all some explanations... The situation is such: Mandrakesoft mail-server machine is supposed to move to new machine. And I have been waiting and waiting and waiting... for this to happen, before moving expert list to sympa, because our present system looks as if it is going to die any time now, and I did not want to be the cause. :-( Well, today I decided that I just have to move the list to sympa, because majordomo finally refused any further cooperation, and your e-mails to expert list were ending in e-mails nirvana for the last 3 days. So, starting with today, all the administrative requests related to this list should be send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] sending "HELP" command to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" will show you a list of commands which can be used with short description. I sincerely hope that sympa will prove to be more robust than majordomo - so far there has been far less problems with lists managed by sympa, and I have far better possibilities to filter spam and such. cheers Denis -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---oOO--(_)--OOo-
Re: [expert] Festival Problems
I have installed and uninstalled and removed directories for festival (after removing what files/ directories it didn't remove), then reinstalled festival with the 8bit rabl instead of the 16bit rabl. And I still get the same problem...it suggests relinking several objects it says are wrong size! Help please. Anyone know what this means? Bambi
[expert] Re: SV: [newbie] Install problems on older machines?!?!
Great. But it certainly doesn't answer your problem. :) Bambi Jimmi wrote: Do you have the 32 megs of RAM needed for Mandrake Linux? Bambi Yeah. I used to have 4*16 Mb but since i had two different types of ram the ramdrive crashed. i pulled two, and have two left = 32 Mb. Jimmi Wimmersjö wrote: I've been trying to install mandrake linux for over a week now. After removing half of my RAM (Different timing caused ramdrive crash) Changing my processor from CYRIX to AMD i still cant install it. When i boot from cd (GOLDSTAR 8X ATAPI cdrom) i get halfway through the install then DrakX freezes on me. If i try the autoboot it wont detect my cd (allthough i started it from the cd), I have also tried the hd boot floppy but then in second stage install it gives me "installation exited abnormaly code 9" or something. I think i've seen an error message on one of the screens "No space left on device" which is very odd, since i have approx 15GB free discspace on the HD i wish to install to. I know my machine is old, but do i really have to buy a new one to install linux?!? Mandrake claims to support all of my hardware: AMD-k6 200MHZ ATAPI Cdrom IDE Harddrive IBM 20 GB IDE Harddrive Seagate 2 GB I have downloaded a new hd bootdisc image and will try again tonight, but if anyone can help me please let me hear from you. Jimmi J. Wimmersjö. "Ni vet, Hjärnan , den slutar aldrig att fungera!"
[expert] Re: [newbie] Mirc
Not that I know of. However, on the Tucows.com site, go to the Linux software section. There is a section for KDE, then a category called IRC, where you will find KVIRC. This is a very cool program, that I love (especially after I figured out how to change all the colors to what I wanted.) Very similar to mIRC but different too. .. It is for Linux :) You will also see a section under KDE, a section for messengers, etc. too. You will find similar stuff under the GNOME section. KVIRC is the best I have seen for IRC. If you like AOL's IM, there is a GAIM program you would enjoy. There is a very nice ICQ clone as well. Several of them out there. If I remember correctly each of these are available in .rpm format. Go with the most penquins. Hope that helps, Bambi Bob wrote: Evening will mIRC run on linux.
[expert] Re: [newbie] Install problems on older machines?!?!
Do you have the 32 megs of RAM needed for Mandrake Linux? Bambi Jimmi Wimmersjö wrote: I've been trying to install mandrake linux for over a week now. After removing half of my RAM (Different timing caused ramdrive crash) Changing my processor from CYRIX to AMD i still cant install it. When i boot from cd (GOLDSTAR 8X ATAPI cdrom) i get halfway through the install then DrakX freezes on me. If i try the autoboot it wont detect my cd (allthough i started it from the cd), I have also tried the hd boot floppy but then in second stage install it gives me "installation exited abnormaly code 9" or something. I think i've seen an error message on one of the screens "No space left on device" which is very odd, since i have approx 15GB free discspace on the HD i wish to install to. I know my machine is old, but do i really have to buy a new one to install linux?!? Mandrake claims to support all of my hardware: AMD-k6 200MHZ ATAPI Cdrom IDE Harddrive IBM 20 GB IDE Harddrive Seagate 2 GB I have downloaded a new hd bootdisc image and will try again tonight, but if anyone can help me please let me hear from you. Jimmi J. Wimmersjö. "Ni vet, Hjärnan , den slutar aldrig att fungera!"
[expert] Re: [newbie] Netscape
Excellent Mike...thanks! I have copied the link to my bookmarks and will use it from now on. I panicked for a few minutes when I saw no .rpm of it on Netscape's site grin , then I thought it over and decided I would try out their gz/install thingey. Worked great and I am not having any problems with it. Needing the encryption was a great motivator. :) But I love .rpms and would much prefer to use them...especially if it is one optimized for Mandrake. Thanks again, Bambi Michael Holt wrote: Fran Parker wrote: I am running strong - 128 - bit encryption. (snip) THIS IS NOT AN RPM ...but the instructions are right there and it is easy! I just printed the instructions and (before installing, I wrote down the path to netscape, and uninstalled the old one (you will not lose your settings when you install to the same location...don't know otherwise) The follow the printed instructions and voila. I am very please with 4.72...fixes some bad problems with java pages in 4.7 "And that's all I've got to say about that!" grin Bambi Hey Bambi, If you want to download the pre-rpm'd files optimized for Mandrake (which I think is the easiest way to handle upgrading anything), go to: ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake-crypto/RPMS/ I'm using these packages as we speak, and I'm very happy with them (4.72-2mdk / 128bit version) Mike -- = The Penguins are coming!!! = Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kirkland, WA.
Re: [expert] Problem with Boot Loaders...
I am relatively new to Linux also, but am also not a newbi when it comes to OSs. I also have been computers DOS 3.3 days and CoCo2 with OS9 before that. However, I would not be able to normally have a clue on this one, except I heard Leo on Screensavers mention this problem. He said something about only the Linux /boot partition needs to be before 1024 cyclinders. The rest can be wherever you want them. You could look in the Screensavers archives for the exact show that discussed this. I hope this helps. Bambi Steve Olson wrote: All: I'm admittedly a Linux Newbie, but nowhere near a newbie when it comes to machines and software OS'es... I date back to MS-DOS 3.3 Days. I thought I'd prevail upon the experts in the list. I''m trying to get Lilo or Powerquest's Bootmagic to work as a bootloader. Only problem is: Lilo won't load and BM won't properly boot the Linux Partition. I have a 20 gig Hard drive, with 6 for Linux and Swap partitions. LILO says can't be installed on a partitoin that goes beyond cylinder 1024... thats a laugh... 99% of the drives sold in the last five years have cylinders many times 1024... Boot Magic can't properly Identify the Mandrake OS partition, and won't Boot into it properly. Question: Is there a LILO alternative besides a boot disk or Loadlin, or is there some way to force bootmagic to ID the partiton right. Please respond to my email address as well as the List. Thanks, Steve Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
