[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And to be caught up in revulsion towards your own genitals is even stranger. I find it very revealing that many in the TMO refer to the genitals as if they are something out there, and the phrase is usually accompanied with body language of distinct distaste. Sort of on the same level as talking about a particularly smelly bag of garbage... To revile an essential part of your body is remarkably foolsih, IMO, and unfortunately very widespread in the TMO. So much revulsion over such a long period of time cannot be healthy. Yoga-suutra II 40 shaucaat svaanga-jugupsaa parair asaMsargaH Taimni's translation: From physical[that word seems like Taimni's addition] purity (arises) disgust for one's own body and disinclination to come in physical contact with others. Because the above Sanskrit sentence feels somehow elliptic (I for one would expect at least the conjunct 'ca' at the end), it seems the sentence actually continues in the next suutra: sattva-shuddhi-saumanasyaikaagryendriyajayaatma-darshana- yogyatvaani ca. [without sandhi: sattva-shuddhi;saumanasya; ekaagrya; indriya-jaya; aatma-darshana-yogyatvaani ca] Taimni: From mental purity[not in the original suutra] (arises) purity of /sattva/, cheerful-mindedness, one-pointedness, control of the senses and fitness for the vision of the Self. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [...] Good one! I've always wondered why so many spiritual movements give such power to the penis and vagina. They don't bite, do they? To be in bondage to the genitals is such a strange thing! Let me tell you the old Native American story about Long-Cock Man and Tooth-Vagina Woman... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2nd Day of Sat Yuga? Bollywood's Good Girls Learn to Be Bad
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your take, 108? My take is that it is all about an american plot to degenerate the civilized world, making it a mirror of their own perversities, including of course, India. They will fail, just like they have failed to make USA a civilized country to live. Truth alone will prevail. And those unfortunate women who actually crave to have an orgasm will suffer to be burnt as witches or circumsized. Even worse should they throw off the apron and seek meaningful existance independent of the family unit. Their misguided and ignorant efforts will come to no avail in Sat Yuga, however, because none of their names will ever be printed in movement publications. If they're good, we'll reward them by referring to them as and wife. If they're not, they'll just be decoration in the photo, the only thing they deserve to be. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Not that one can be out of the phenomenal realm. But rather, as you suggested Judy, the desire isn't potent enough to make it a real go. I have no doubt that someone will break through. Someone who wants to hover enough. snip We have all been trying to create positive aspirations for the world for however many years now. And I think that aspiration superceeded the mere aspiration to just levitate. You know, there's no way I want to levitate badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program. It would be fun, and if somebody were to hand it to me on a silver platter, I'd take it. But in and of itself, it's not all that compelling. Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program is to no longer be overshadowed. You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that you believe the duality- that there is something external to you. Its a common trick of the mind by the way; everyone falls for it at some point ;) And some get so attached to it that they're unwilling to give it up. The trick of the mind that believes it is overshadowed becomes for them the ground state of reality, and something to be overcome, something real. IMO, this is called missing the point. It's the feeling of being overshadowed that isn't real. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program is to no longer be overshadowed. You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that you believe the duality- that there is something external to you. Its a common trick of the mind by the way; everyone falls for it at some point ;) I know you mean it in the nicest possible way, but Jim, I get REALLY REALLY tired of hearing that kind of formulation. It isn't helpful or inspiring. It's my working assumption on an intellectual basis, but it doesn't undo the trick. If it did, I'd have become un-overshadowed many years ago. See? Attachment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program is to no longer be overshadowed. You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that you believe the duality- that there is something external to you. Its a common trick of the mind by the way; everyone falls for it at some point ;) I know you mean it in the nicest possible way, but Jim, I get REALLY REALLY tired of hearing that kind of formulation. It isn't helpful or inspiring. It's my working assumption on an intellectual basis, but it doesn't undo the trick. If it did, I'd have become un-overshadowed many years ago. See? Attachment. so say we all... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purity of the teaching (was Honest answers)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] but eventually, she whittled him down to a size that she could handle and he knocked out all her teeth. They lived happily ever after... ROTFL! Isn't that a great story? I have no idea if its a real Indian story or not, but it's got such a ring of truth to it... I told it to my son. He said the moral was: find your niche and fill it... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program is to no longer be overshadowed. You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that you believe the duality- that there is something external to you. Its a common trick of the mind by the way; everyone falls for it at some point ;) I know you mean it in the nicest possible way, but Jim, I get REALLY REALLY tired of hearing that kind of formulation. It isn't helpful or inspiring. It's my working assumption on an intellectual basis, but it doesn't undo the trick. If it did, I'd have become un-overshadowed many years ago. See? Attachment. so say we all... Actually, not all. The there is a path to enlightenment / there is something wrong with you that must be corrected if you're not experiencing enlightenment paradigm is *very* popular, but far from the only approach. These days I resonate more with the Ramana Maharshi approach. It's more real, and in my opinion more effective at producing realization. If someone in a satsang given in that tradition tried to claim that they'd really like to be enlightened but just can't because... they'd be cut off after because and reminded that they already ARE enlightened. After a while even the most attached person gets the point. It's a little like people who are unwilling to give up a long- time grudge or neurosis. They don't want to give it up because they get *mileage* out of it. Oh woe is me...I'm not enlightened because... It's a way of getting attention and prolonging the non-realization of enlightenment. If everyone around you stops rewarding you for whining about not being enlightened, maybe you'd drop the whining and just realize that you're already enlightened. That's the theory of this approach, anyway. I've seen it work wonders. And it was certainly more pleasant to be around than the traditional you're not enlightened because there is something wrong with you approach. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program is to no longer be overshadowed. You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that you believe the duality- that there is something external to you. Its a common trick of the mind by the way; everyone falls for it at some point ;) I know you mean it in the nicest possible way, but Jim, I get REALLY REALLY tired of hearing that kind of formulation. It isn't helpful or inspiring. It's my working assumption on an intellectual basis, but it doesn't undo the trick. If it did, I'd have become un-overshadowed many years ago. See? Attachment. so say we all... Actually, not all. The there is a path to enlightenment / there is something wrong with you that must be corrected if you're not experiencing enlightenment paradigm is *very* popular, but far from the only approach. These days I resonate more with the Ramana Maharshi approach. It's more real, and in my opinion more effective at producing realization. If someone in a satsang given in that tradition tried to claim that they'd really like to be enlightened but just can't because... they'd be cut off after because and reminded that they already ARE enlightened. After a while even the most attached person gets the point. It's a little like people who are unwilling to give up a long- time grudge or neurosis. They don't want to give it up because they get *mileage* out of it. Oh woe is me...I'm not enlightened because... It's a way of getting attention and prolonging the non-realization of enlightenment. If everyone around you stops rewarding you for whining about not being enlightened, maybe you'd drop the whining and just realize that you're already enlightened. That's the theory of this approach, anyway. I've seen it work wonders. And it was certainly more pleasant to be around than the traditional you're not enlightened because there is something wrong with you approach. Actually, I was referring to the attachment thing. We ALL are attached, or so it seems. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See? Attachment. so say we all... Actually, not all. The there is a path to enlightenment / there is something wrong with you that must be corrected if you're not experiencing enlightenment paradigm is *very* popular, but far from the only approach. These days I resonate more with the Ramana Maharshi approach. It's more real, and in my opinion more effective at producing realization. If someone in a satsang given in that tradition tried to claim that they'd really like to be enlightened but just can't because... they'd be cut off after because and reminded that they already ARE enlightened. After a while even the most attached person gets the point. It's a little like people who are unwilling to give up a long- time grudge or neurosis. They don't want to give it up because they get *mileage* out of it. Oh woe is me...I'm not enlightened because... It's a way of getting attention and prolonging the non-realization of enlightenment. If everyone around you stops rewarding you for whining about not being enlightened, maybe you'd drop the whining and just realize that you're already enlightened. That's the theory of this approach, anyway. I've seen it work wonders. And it was certainly more pleasant to be around than the traditional you're not enlightened because there is something wrong with you approach. Actually, I was referring to the attachment thing. We ALL are attached, or so it seems. I agree. I was just rappin' about the difference in two philosophies, one of which seems to me to perpetuate attachment by almost rewarding it and giving it substance (the reason you're not enlightened is because of 'stress') and another which refuses to give the attachment any substance. I honestly think that if the Ramana Maharshi tradition had more effective techniques to impart the direct experience of transcendence and CC (other than what they do in satsang) that their philosophy would result in more people realizing enlightenment than the traditional there-are- reasons-you're-not-enlightened approach. I like the fact that their approach doesn't deal with excuses. So many other techniques and traditions have an *excuse* for why more students don't realize enlightenment (they're full of stress, they're not serious enough about their study, the world is too gnarly, whatever). There are times when it seems to me that the more excuses a tradition has for NOT realizing enlightenment, the less likely it is that anyone pursuing that tradition will realize enlightenment. I like the contrast with the Gangaji / Ramana approach. No excuses are needed because there is never a time that any of us is not enlightened. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--Helping the world or being over-shadowed? Who is helping the world, and who is being overshadowed? If you mean, that you are helping the world when you are positive and loving, and you are not helping anything when you are in fear and seperation, and ego. Then, it is the same; you help the world by Being in the world, but not of the world. As you become less over-shadowed by the world, you become more enlightened. Also, it is good to descriminate the difference between the natural world, and man-made world. Man-made world is over-shadowing. The natural world is healing. Generally, that is... - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Not that one can be out of the phenomenal realm. But rather, as you suggested Judy, the desire isn't potent enough to make it a real go. I have no doubt that someone will break through. Someone who wants to hover enough. snip We have all been trying to create positive aspirations for the world for however many years now. And I think that aspiration superceeded the mere aspiration to just levitate. You know, there's no way I want to levitate badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program. It would be fun, and if somebody were to hand it to me on a silver platter, I'd take it. But in and of itself, it's not all that compelling. Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program is to no longer be overshadowed. That was why I started TM in the first place, and I've continued because I'm making slow but steady progress in that direction. I'd be lying if I said I wanted to help the world more than I wanted to not be overshadowed, but there does seem to be a reciprocal relationship: as I become less overshadowed, I become more concerned about the world. But if somebody told me, Well, you have a choice: by doing program you can *either* help the world *or* no longer be overshadowed, I think--or I'd like to think--that I'd continue doing program, because being able to help the world is a pretty good compensation for being overshadowed. I don't know if any of that makes sense... My main point was that being able to levitate has never been why I do program. If it ever happens, it'll be a nice bonus, but it ain't the main event. Even Guru Dev told his Master something like: first teach me to be self-sufficient, then teach me about enlightenment, so you're in good company. I'll have to look up the real quote - I think it's in The Whole Thing, The Real Thing - if I'm remembering it at all correctly. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Levitation-Part II
-- The ability to float the body, must come from the ability to maintain an extremely high vibration. As was mentioned before, I don't believe the ability to levitate or perform any of the Siddhis, can be as important than the goal of Self-Realization, or Enlightenment. Of course, how could it be any other way? Getting lost in any power would be a diversion from the path. In comentary's Maharishi has said, that the siddhis were given from more gross to more subtle. In this way, the siddhis help to begin to discriminate, not only pure consciousness, but also the different levels of creation, from gross to subtle. Also, any particular aspect of any siddhi that was needed would spontaneously be available to one who is Realized. So, that any particular siddhi, or any particular ability which might be expressed, at any given time, is only a bi-product of the expanded state of inner-consciousness, which is available all of the time. My feeling is about the flying siddhi, is that it really raises the vibration, in the individual and the environment, and intensifies, the radiance effect of the experience of pure consciousness. The vibration, would be so high, to effect everything in the enviornment. I have heard and I believe that the ability to levitate is somewhat dependent on world consciousness, and that with world consciousness, heavy and fear laden and full of boundary thinking and feeling, it is difficult to reach and maintain the intensity and speed of vibration, necessary for the feat to occur. I assume the stories of the levitators, of past times, and of people levitating in India; those were in settings of privacy, it seems... Even Jesus levitated only in front of his disciples.. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga ushered in but what does that mean??
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[FairfieldLife] Satya yuga!
Throughout the entire conference, and especially on the day of celebration of the Guru, many achievements of this past year from around the world were offered back to Maharishi, Maharishi's master, Sri Guru Dev, and the Holy Tradition of Vedic Masters, the source of this great transformation from Kali Yuga, an age of problems and suffering, to Satya Yuga, Well, we certainly hope from now on *nobody* writes sat yuga or sad-yuga! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Levitation-Part II
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- The ability to float the body, must come from the ability to maintain an extremely high vibration. As was mentioned before, I don't believe the ability to levitate or perform any of the Siddhis, can be as important than the goal of Self-Realization, or Enlightenment. There are some traditions that feel that setting enlightenment as a goal is the very thing that prevents it from being realized. Of course, how could it be any other way? As stated above. Or, as some Tibetan monks I've met live their lives, by setting the goal of personal enlightenment as a far lower priority than the goal of helping each person they meet during the day in whatever way they can. I honestly don't know if this approach helps or hinders their personal enlightenment, but it sure does seem to make them happy campers. As a general rule, the less time one of these monks seems to spend thinking about himself or his own personal enlightenment, the happier he is. And, when it appears within that community, the converse seems to be true -- those monks who get hung up focusing on their own enlightenment dont' seem to be very happy, or to laugh much. I'm sure you've all seen what I'm talking about. Some person is genuinely committed or one-pointed about his own enlightenment. He lives, breathes, and eats whatever he thinks will get him there faster. And along the Way, he treats people around him like shit. Zero compassion, zero interest in actually helping other people, zero humanity. Is it any wonder that such people don't seem to get enlightened very often? Getting lost in any power would be a diversion from the path. I agree. I remain unconvinced that the siddhis have any real effect in terms of creating higher coherence or a higher vibe for the world at large. For me, their main value seems to be as 1) a teaching device, to help students loosen their ideas of what is possible and what is not, 2) a learning device, as students begin to master these things themselves, and find that they're pretty everyday and not nearly as flashy or impor- tant as they once seemed, and 3) fun. I've never understood the facination some people have for powers and miracles. The whole Jesus story, water into wine, walking on water, that sorta thing. Big deal. Because I never made (and still do not make) any link between the ability to do these things and a teacher's state of conscious- ness, the ability to perform siddhis is, for me, just a perk in studying with a particular teacher. Siddhis, schmiddis. The bottom line for me is how well that teacher meditates, and how effectively he or she can transmit that ability to his or her students. In comentary's Maharishi has said, that the siddhis were given from more gross to more subtle. In this way, the siddhis help to begin to discriminate, not only pure consciousness, but also the different levels of creation, from gross to subtle. There I absolutely agree. As stated recently, I remain unconvinced that some of the siddhis actually *have* a physical counterpart. That is, I suspect (based on my own experience and that of hundreds of friends) that for some of the siddhis one has to be able to perceive at more subtle levels to even be *aware* of the siddhi as it is being per- formed. This would add one benefit to the three listed above -- the growing ability to perceive at finer levels. Also, any particular aspect of any siddhi that was needed would spontaneously be available to one who is Realized. This I don't believe is true. There are many, many, many stories of fully-realized individuals who never developed a facility with the siddhis. I think it's a predilection thing. Some enlightened beings, whose nature is to enjoy the manipulation of energies, gravitate to the siddhis, whether through a program of study, or spontaneously. Other enlightened beings couldn't care less, and thus do not develop either an interest in or a facility with the siddhis. So, that any particular siddhi, or any particular ability which might be expressed, at any given time, is only a bi-product of the expanded state of inner-consciousness, which is available all of the time. I'm definitely going to have to disagree on this one. My experience -- whatever it was -- convinces me that the siddhis do NOT have to do with the state of consciousness we call enlightenment. They have to do with OTHER states of attention, relative states. One can move into the states of attention that manifest the siddhis without being enlight- ened. And vice-versa. Just my opinion. My feeling is about the flying siddhi, is that it really raises the vibration, in the individual and the environment, and intensifies, the radiance effect of the experience of pure consciousness. I'm less convinced. I think that the performance of any siddhi does generate a higher vibration, but I don't
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga ushered in but what does that mean??
It means that soon there will be new uniforms to supplement the Rajas' robes and crowns. If you can't come up with 3 mill to be a Raja, for only 100K you can become an Usher. You get a red uniform with a cute little usher's cap. And a flashlight. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sat yuga declared but not truly visible - wtf??
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[FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga ushered in but what does that mean??
Title: World Peace News: Top Stories Global celebrations usher in a time of peace and happiness for the world by GGN staff writer Global Good News Translate This Article 25 July 2005 On 25 July 2005 Global Good News reported: On 21 July, the full moon day that is traditionally dedicated to the Guru in the Vedic Calendar, many thousands of citizens of the Global Country of World Peace, peace-loving citizens and practitioners of Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation technique in every nation, gathered in Meru, Holland, or connected via satellite and Internet broadcast to participate in an historic global celebration to usher in a new time of peace and happiness for the world. The celebration took place at the heart of a ten-day international conference dedicated to bringing the full realization of this new time as quickly as possible. It is a joy for Global Good News service to feature this news, which indicates the success of the life-supporting programmes Maharishi has designed to bring fulfilment to the field of world-peace. Meru, the Capital of the Global Country of World Peace in the Netherlands, is set amidst exquisite formal gardens, fountains and acres of woodland. Its elegant, spacious central building, constructed of all-natural materials, was designed entirely according to the principles of Vedic Architecture. In this place of serene beauty and lively silence, it seems that the goals of the conference have already blossomed fully. Each day the conference begins with the arrival of the long line of royal white limousines, followed by the royal processional of His Majesty Maharaja Nader Raam, first ruler of the Global Country of World Peace, who is richly attired in white and gold silk robes and a gold crown. The sound of bagpipe music fills the air heralding the arrival of Maharaja Nader Raam, and 22 more Rajas, also wearing robes and golden crowns. Each of these 22 Rajas is responsible for bringing the life-supporting programmes of the Global Country of World Peace to the 10-12 countries in their care. Inside, the conference halls are lavishly decorated with golden thrones for the Rajas, large arrangements of fresh flowers and stately greenery, graceful silk draperies, and luxurious red carpeting. They are filled to capacity with thousands of dedicated leaders and supporters of the Global Country of World Peace. The conference is blessed by the presence of His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the world's foremost scientist and Vedic scholar who introduced Transcendental Meditation and the knowledge of Total Natural Law to the world to raise individual and national life to perfection. A great highlight of the conference on 22 July was a beautiful address by Maharishi. Following are a few points from the talk. Maharishi described the profound value of the Veda. He said that the Veda structures the human physiology. Yet the Veda itself is uncreated. It is eternal because the level of the Veda, the level of the structure of the Laws of Nature is Parame Vyoman, transcendental. Being transcendental, it is not exposed to change or decay. The Veda says that one should know that by knowing which everything is known. Maharishi explained that this means we need to know Atma, (Transcendental Consciousness, the Self of everyone). How can we know Atma? Maharishi said we can know it through sound, the first sound of Rk VedaA. Everything is contained in Aall values of silence and dynamism. Veda is the Constitution of the Universe. Maharishi elaborated, saying that we can add one adjective to the Constitution of the Universe. We can say that the Veda is the lively Constitution of the Universe. When we say the lively Constitution of the Universe, then we step onto one more phraseLight of God. And when we say Light of God, then we say almighty, omnipresent, omniscient Light of God. Maharishi went on to commend Dr Reiner Picha for his model and presentation of Veda in the human physiology. (The 40 major areas of human physiology have a one-to-one correlation in structure and function to the structure and function of the 40 aspects of the Veda and Vedic Literature. Dr Picha's life-sized, transparent model of the human body, with the framework of the skeleton and organs visible within it, demonstrates this correlation. When a specific aspect of the Veda is recited, the corresponding areas of the body light up on the model.) This is the first display of its kind. It gives a vision of the secrets of how the body functions based on the movements of consciousness. Veda is understood now for all its valuesthat means total abstraction, one unbounded ocean of consciousness, the transcendental reality. Maharishi emphasized the importance of this transcendental reality in the GAPS between the sounds of the Veda. The secret of the relationship between the tenth Mandala of Rk Veda and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Levitation-Part II
Comments interleaved below. Robert Gimbel wrote: Even Jesus levitated only in front of his disciples.. Jesus did a lot of things that were out of the ordinary, but I don't recall levitation as being among them. Where did he levitate? TurquoiseB wrote: And thus the question arises, would a stranger have seen him levitate? Jesus' students had worked with him for some time. They had been trained in whatever method of seeing into more subtle levels of creation that he taught. Perhaps what they saw was a phenomenon that only appeared to someone who could see on that level of subtlety. Perhaps a visitor would have sat there and seen nothing. I'm too lazy to open a Bible and confirm what's written above, but it seems to be that Jesus sightings were indeed spotty after the resurrection. In other words, some people saw him, others did not. Granted, it may have had more to do with whom Jesus chose to appear before than who had the ability to perceive his post-crucifiction body. I've wondered as I've dipped into these discussions of sidhis and perception whether the dynamics discussed here explain the intermittency of those Jesus sightings. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2nd Day of Sat Yuga? Bollywood's Good Girls Learn to Be Bad
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your take, 108? My take is that it is all about an american plot to degenerate the civilized world, making it a mirror of their own perversities, including of course, India. They will fail, just like they have failed to make USA a civilized country to live. Truth alone will prevail. And those unfortunate women who actually crave to have an orgasm will suffer to be burnt as witches or circumsized. Even worse should they throw off the apron and seek meaningful existance independent of the family unit. Their misguided and ignorant efforts will come to no avail in Sat Yuga, however, because none of their names will ever be printed in movement publications. If they're good, we'll reward them by referring to them as and wife. If they're not, they'll just be decoration in the photo, the only thing they deserve to be. Oh Boy! What a bright future! Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] IRRATIONAL TABOOS
It's really a waste of time to make drinking piss into such an esoteric religion. - Original Message - From: tantrayudha To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] IRRATIONAL TABOOS http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naghammadigospels/I like what Isabella had to say. Yes, the True Gnosis may be so unknown that it would be a brand new concept for all of us, and it could be a doctrine quite alien from our 3-dimensional naivete. "Being uncomfortable" with the Revealed Truth, is very dangerous - both for the ignorant, who have the timid taboo and the transferral of cowardly fear and guilt onto the open-minded Gnostic messenger. "You strain at flies and swallow camels". In order to maintain orthodox conservative interpretations, you martyr the saints and doom your children to wrong "knowledge" (which is ignorance) and the unnecessary suffering that follows such willful error. - Dr. J. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naghammadigospels/--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Isabella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- David Arbuckle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gnostic hands is the key word jef.They were the last to have it and probably they are just as guilty as the orthodox are (in NT) in making redactions. Great, I'm glad you came to this conclusion based on the little research you have done - I suggest that Thomas was gnostic, I suggest that Mary was gnostic. "The last to have it" approach fails miserably, do your homework, find out how ideas evolve, in other words, stop saying that ideas just fall out of the sky out of nowhere and hijack others. There is way more proof that these ideas come from us, which means they are always present and ready to emerge, and they arise from time to time stemming from someone that is not liked, that stirs up trouble, that goes around telling people what does *not* feel comfortable since it's different than what they were used to hearing - someone exactly like Jesus. Isabella To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
IMO, this is called missing the point. It's the feeling of being overshadowed that isn't real. -It just depends doesn't it? For instance, a fish hawker comes home overshadowed by the smell of fish. That's not imagination to his wife. Though it might even be his imagination that he smells like roses. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
But please do tell what I would get from studying Rama. You do know I have seen him a few times when I was a kid. As well as Pat Collins.I don't know exactly. In some ways his style would have seemed well suited to your personality. He seemed to push the envelope in his ways, and you push it in yours. I might have thought you would have resonated with him, but your reaction seems to be in the exact opposite direction.lurk-Because I never was interested in the glib new age-isms of his milieu. I also have this thing about getting the whole, honest, hard truth. If I don't like the truth I can take what I want and leave the rest. I don't want anyone filtering my truth through their nervous system, and stepping it down for me because in their minds I am too unevolved to hear it. Or conversely, I don't want people making shit up to make something plain-jane seem allHollywood glamour. One of the most profound things I ever experienced was the Dzogchen Trekcho. If the Lamas who imparted it made it somehow different for this dumb westerner then I never would have gotten it in its simplicity. It also puts alot of various nonsense in its proper light. I consider myself extremely lucky to have gotten these teachings straight from the horses' mouths. Instead of studying their patties. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Not that one can be out of the phenomenal realm. But rather, as you suggested Judy, the desire isn't potent enough to make it a real go. I have no doubt that someone will break through. Someone who wants to hover enough. snip We have all been trying to create positive aspirations for the world for however many years now. And I think that aspiration superceeded the mere aspiration to just levitate. You know, there's no way I want to levitate badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program. It would be fun, and if somebody were to hand it to me on a silver platter, I'd take it. But in and of itself, it's not all that compelling. Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program is to no longer be overshadowed. You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that you believe the duality- that there is something external to you. Its a common trick of the mind by the way; everyone falls for it at some point ;) And some get so attached to it that they're unwilling to give it up. The trick of the mind that believes it is overshadowed becomes for them the ground state of reality, and something to be overcome, something real. IMO, this is called missing the point. It's the feeling of being overshadowed that isn't real. Which is why this intellectualization is useless, either for encouragement or for putting people down. All it does is push things back a level: Instead of having to overcome the reality of being overshadowed, now it's the false feeling of the reality of being overshadowed that must be overcome. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program is to no longer be overshadowed. You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that you believe the duality- that there is something external to you. Its a common trick of the mind by the way; everyone falls for it at some point ;) I know you mean it in the nicest possible way, but Jim, I get REALLY REALLY tired of hearing that kind of formulation. It isn't helpful or inspiring. It's my working assumption on an intellectual basis, but it doesn't undo the trick. If it did, I'd have become un-overshadowed many years ago. See? Attachment. Yup, attachment is the trick. For those still subject to it, it has to be undone, seen through. But intellectualizing it doesn't in and of itself undo the trick. Something *else* has to happen. It's like watching Doug Henning perform his close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's a trick, but that doesn't help you see through it, because it's so well done. Something *else* has to happen for you to perceive the trick. Using Barry's formulation, one could say that you don't perceive Henning's trick because you're attached to not perceiving it. And does understanding that you are attached to not perceiving the trick help you perceive the trick? No, something *else* has to happen. You can take it back as many levels as you like, but still the bottom line is that something *else* has to happen before you see through the trick. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
And does understanding that you are attachedto not perceiving the trick help you perceivethe trick? No, something *else* has to happen. I have the trick for you, but you wouldn't believe me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The there is a path to enlightenment / there is something wrong with you that must be corrected if you're not experiencing enlightenment paradigm is *very* popular, but far from the only approach. In dealing with the omnipresent state of the impersonal God, a statement was made that the transcendental, omnipresent Divine, by virtue of being omnipresent, is the essential Being of everyone. It forms the basic life of one and all, it is not anything different from one's own Self or Being. Therefore, no path to realize it could be conceived of. Certainly, to talk in terms of 'path' of realization of one's own Being seems to be unjustified, but because all the time in our life the attention is left outside in the gross relative field of experience, we are AS IF debarred from the direct experience of the essential nature of our own Self, or transcendental Being. [emphasis added] That is why it is necessary to bring the attention to the transcendental level of our Being. This bringing of the attention is said to be a way to realize. Thus, although we find the idea of a path to realization absurd metaphysically, it is highly significant on a practical level. --MMY, Science of Being and Art of Living, footnote to the section Intellectual Path to God Realization It's the AS IF that has to be overcome, one way or the other. That's the something else that has to happen. It's just a trick or You're just attached to the trick may be true on the metaphysical level, but on the practical level, it's absurd. These days I resonate more with the Ramana Maharshi approach. It's more real, and in my opinion more effective at producing realization. If someone in a satsang given in that tradition tried to claim that they'd really like to be enlightened but just can't because... they'd be cut off after because and reminded that they already ARE enlightened. After a while even the most attached person gets the point. Getting the point isn't the point. We all get the point on the level of being reminded, i.e., intellectually. Something *else* has to happen. It's a little like people who are unwilling to give up a long- time grudge or neurosis. They don't want to give it up because they get *mileage* out of it. Oh woe is me...I'm not enlightened because... It's a way of getting attention and prolonging the non-realization of enlightenment. If everyone around you stops rewarding you for whining about not being enlightened, maybe you'd drop the whining and just realize that you're already enlightened. Nope, doesn't work that way. Realizing intellectually that you're already enlightened doesn't help you realize you're already enlightened on the level of enlightenment. Something *else* has to happen. (For most of us, anyway.) Also, for someone who *has* realized enlightenment to offer this formulation is one thing; even if it isn't helpful, it's offered with compassion and love. For someone who has *not* realized enlightenment to offer it as a putdown of somebody else who hasn't realized enlightenment either is beneath contempt. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Even Guru Dev told his Master something like: first teach me to be self-sufficient, then teach me about enlightenment, so you're in good company. I'll have to look up the real quote - I think it's in The Whole Thing, The Real Thing - if I'm remembering it at all correctly. Sounds right, thanks. Except perhaps it should be Teach me to be Self-sufficient (cap S). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Levitation-Part II
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments interleaved below. Robert Gimbel wrote: Even Jesus levitated only in front of his disciples.. Jesus did a lot of things that were out of the ordinary, but I don't recall levitation as being among them. Where did he levitate? Now that you've brought it up, I can remember any tale of him levitating, either. I was reacting to what Robert had written as a given, and about any siddhi. TurquoiseB wrote: And thus the question arises, would a stranger have seen him levitate? Jesus' students had worked with him for some time. They had been trained in whatever method of seeing into more subtle levels of creation that he taught. Perhaps what they saw was a phenomenon that only appeared to someone who could see on that level of subtlety. Perhaps a visitor would have sat there and seen nothing. I'm too lazy to open a Bible and confirm what's written above, but it seems to be that Jesus sightings were indeed spotty after the resurrection. In other words, some people saw him, others did not. Granted, it may have had more to do with whom Jesus chose to appear before than who had the ability to perceive his post-crucifiction body. I've wondered as I've dipped into these discussions of sidhis and perception whether the dynamics discussed here explain the intermittency of those Jesus sightings. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Not that one can be out of the phenomenal realm. But rather, as you suggested Judy, the desire isn't potent enough to make it a real go. I have no doubt that someone will break through. Someone who wants to hover enough. snip We have all been trying to create positive aspirations for the world for however many years now. And I think that aspiration superceeded the mere aspiration to just levitate. You know, there's no way I want to levitate badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program. It would be fun, and if somebody were to hand it to me on a silver platter, I'd take it. But in and of itself, it's not all that compelling. Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program is to no longer be overshadowed. You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that you believe the duality- that there is something external to you. Its a common trick of the mind by the way; everyone falls for it at some point ;) And some get so attached to it that they're unwilling to give it up. The trick of the mind that believes it is overshadowed becomes for them the ground state of reality, and something to be overcome, something real. IMO, this is called missing the point. It's the feeling of being overshadowed that isn't real. Which is why this intellectualization is useless, either for encouragement or for putting people down. All it does is push things back a level: Instead of having to overcome the reality of being overshadowed, now it's the false feeling of the reality of being overshadowed that must be overcome. This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic approaches that fail to explain how an initial intellectual understanding that one is already enlightened can be utilized to trigger realization. If this understanding is held simply as another waking state concept, then it will have no impact- just another conceptual burden. However, if this understanding is used as a springboard for authentic inquiry, much can occur. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And does understanding that you are attached to not perceiving the trick help you perceive the trick? No, something *else* has to happen. I have the trick for you, but you wouldn't believe me. And *that* is the reality of attachment, in a nutshell. Another reality is realizing that there was never any trick, or any need for one... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program is to no longer be overshadowed. You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that you believe the duality- that there is something external to you. Its a common trick of the mind by the way; everyone falls for it at some point ;) I know you mean it in the nicest possible way, but Jim, I get REALLY REALLY tired of hearing that kind of formulation. It isn't helpful or inspiring. It's my working assumption on an intellectual basis, but it doesn't undo the trick. If it did, I'd have become un-overshadowed many years ago. See? Attachment. Yup, attachment is the trick. For those still subject to it, it has to be undone, seen through. But intellectualizing it doesn't in and of itself undo the trick. Something *else* has to happen. It's like watching Doug Henning perform his close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's a trick, but that doesn't help you see through it, because it's so well done. Something *else* has to happen for you to perceive the trick. Using Barry's formulation, one could say that you don't perceive Henning's trick because you're attached to not perceiving it. And does understanding that you are attached to not perceiving the trick help you perceive the trick? No, something *else* has to happen. You can take it back as many levels as you like, but still the bottom line is that something *else* has to happen before you see through the trick. That's what everyone who is attached to attachment says. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I like the fact that their approach doesn't deal with excuses. So many other techniques and traditions have an *excuse* for why more students don't realize enlightenment (they're full of stress, they're not serious enough about their study, the world is too gnarly, whatever). Again, this just pushes it all back a level; there's no real difference, practically speaking, in the two approaches. In one case, you're not enlightened; in the other, you don't realize you're already enlightened. Either way, you haven't realized enlightenment. There are times when it seems to me that the more excuses a tradition has for NOT realizing enlightenment There can be just as many excuses for not realizing you're already enlightened. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Levitation-Part II
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments interleaved below. Robert Gimbel wrote: Even Jesus levitated only in front of his disciples.. Jesus did a lot of things that were out of the ordinary, but I don't recall levitation as being among them. Where did he levitate? Now that you've brought it up, I can remember any tale of him levitating, either. I was reacting to what Robert had written as a given, and about any siddhi. What would you call walking on water? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You can take it back as many levels as you like, but still the bottom line is that something *else* has to happen before you see through the trick. That's what everyone who is attached to attachment says. :-) Says Barry, staying intransigently attached to his putdowns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Levitation-Part II
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments interleaved below. Robert Gimbel wrote: Even Jesus levitated only in front of his disciples.. Jesus did a lot of things that were out of the ordinary, but I don't recall levitation as being among them. Where did he levitate? Now that you've brought it up, I can remember any tale of him levitating, either. I was reacting to what Robert had written as a given, and about any siddhi. What would you call walking on water? Uh...walking on water. Different siddhi, different energy. Related to walking on air or sitting in midair, but slightly different. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You can take it back as many levels as you like, but still the bottom line is that something *else* has to happen before you see through the trick. That's what everyone who is attached to attachment says. :-) Says Barry, staying intransigently attached to his putdowns. I've been on this forum several months and have been subject to my share of putdowns. It's opinions. I'll let others decide for themselves which opinions are valuable or which ones are off the wall. The attachment I see here is trying to be right and prove to everyone that you are. The baggage from alt med is getting old for me. There's been a spate of spats and my opinion is they don't prove anything. Only that you want everyone to see how mean or unfair or whatever, Barry is. I don't write this to incite a discussion of this. You are intelligent and sincere. But whenever Barry writes anything, I know what slant is coming from you. I don't see him intentionally trying to slam you or go after you (my opinion/observation). If it's so obvious that he is, you'll get more mileage out of letting others see how slanted he is and leaving it at that. There are some pretty smart, perceptive people on this forum. I'm sure people are aware of my view on anti depressants and I'm now aware of their opinion of my opinion. OK. That topic has run its course. The Barry thing has certainly run its course for me. I got how you feel about him. I require no more proof, but appreciate the warning. Jeff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic approaches that fail to explain how an initial intellectual understanding that one is already enlightened can be utilized to trigger realization. If this understanding is held simply as another waking state concept, then it will have no impact- just another conceptual burden. However, if this understanding is used as a springboard for authentic inquiry, much can occur. Exactly. The misunderstanding comes from attempting to make a non-intellectual process into an intellectual exercise. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The baggage from alt med is getting old for me. There's been a spate of spats and my opinion is they don't prove anything. As I pointed out in a previous post, you FFL old- timers have your own baggage. There are plenty of spats here that have nothing to do with alt.m.t., and they don't prove anything either. If spatlessness is a consummation devoutly to be wished, it ought to apply across the board. Moreover, even if I'd never encountered Barry prior to joining FFL, I'd find a lot of his behavior offensive and inappropriate. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic approaches that fail to explain how an initial intellectual understanding that one is already enlightened can be utilized to trigger realization. If this understanding is held simply as another waking state concept, then it will have no impact- just another conceptual burden. However, if this understanding is used as a springboard for authentic inquiry, much can occur. Exactly. The misunderstanding comes from attempting to make a non-intellectual process into an intellectual exercise. Oui, d'accord. The conceptual understanding facilitates the experiential discrimination of the intellect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic approaches that fail to explain how an initial intellectual understanding that one is already enlightened can be utilized to trigger realization. If this understanding is held simply as another waking state concept, then it will have no impact- just another conceptual burden. However, if this understanding is used as a springboard for authentic inquiry, much can occur. Exactly. The misunderstanding comes from attempting to make a non-intellectual process into an intellectual exercise. Read the first sentence of Peter's paragraph above again, noting in particular the words fail to explain. It's the one who presents the intellectual understanding while failing to explain the nonintellectual process who makes it into an intellectual exercise. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Levitation-Part II
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments interleaved below. Robert Gimbel wrote: Even Jesus levitated only in front of his disciples.. Jesus did a lot of things that were out of the ordinary, but I don't recall levitation as being among them. Where did he levitate? Now that you've brought it up, I can remember any tale of him levitating, either. I was reacting to what Robert had written as a given, and about any siddhi. What would you call walking on water? Hydrolocomotion To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic approaches that fail to explain how an initial intellectual understanding that one is already enlightened can be utilized to trigger realization. If this understanding is held simply as another waking state concept, then it will have no impact- just another conceptual burden. However, if this understanding is used as a springboard for authentic inquiry, much can occur. Exactly. The misunderstanding comes from attempting to make a non-intellectual process into an intellectual exercise. Oui, d'accord. The conceptual understanding facilitates the experiential discrimination of the intellect. So let's have the explanation of how the intellectual understanding can be used as a springboard for authentic inquiry, please. P.S.: The explanation should probably be given by someone for whom the authentic inquiry has actually triggered realization. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
- Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: And does understanding that you are attached to not perceiving the trick help you perceive the trick? No, something *else* has to happen. I have the trick for you, but you wouldn't believe me.And *that* is the reality of attachment, in a nutshell.Another reality is realizing that there was neverany "trick," or any need for one...I'm not saying there is nothing to it, like magician's slight of hand. Only, it would be in the form of Dzogchen Trekchod, which I would have to take out of context to make it palatable to a -whatever/whoever- and so as such, I would be writing one thing with one hand, and then erasing it with the other. But if one could for a second remember the qualities of consciousness when not in meditation and then realize that life simply cannot exist even when ignorant, outside of those qualities, and also accept that ignorance is also based upon consciousness, and really make that connect, then they would see that there is nothing but consciousness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've been on this forum several months and have been subject to my share of putdowns. It's opinions. I'll let others decide for themselves which opinions are valuable or which ones are off the wall. The attachment I see here is trying to be right and prove to everyone that you are. snip to end That's it, pretty much. Some people come here to explore their views, others come to consolidate them. In my experiences, the pissing contests begin with those who come to consolidate. I generally try to avoid personality issues in these exchanges, but it's nearly impossible over the long run. One thing I have noted is that any trace of judgementalism in one of my posts comes back to me a hundred fold. And I don't have to wait very long. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
One thing I have noted is that any trace of judgementalism in one of my posts comes back to me a hundred fold. And I don't have to wait very long. L B S Isn't instant karma supposed to be a good thing? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
\P.S.: The explanation should probably be givenby someone for whom the authentic inquiry hasactually triggered realization.\ All that there is, is God. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But if one could for a second remember the qualities of consciousness when not in meditation and then realize that life simply cannot exist even when ignorant, outside of those qualities, and also accept that ignorance is also based upon consciousness, and really make that connect, then they would see that there is nothing but consciousness. Does this describe the process you went through as you went through it, or is it back-to-front, as it were, from the perspective of having made the connect? My sense is that it is not easy for one who has made the connect to recapitulate the process of having made it, such that someone who hasn't made it yet can successfully follow the same steps and make the same connect. Just as those still in ignorance can be said to have forgotten their enlightenment, it seems to me, at least in many cases, that those who have realized their enlightenment can be said to have forgotten what it was like for them to be in ignorance. It's the nature of the beast, in both instances. In that regard, it's astonishing that *anybody* who has realized their enlightenment can teach those still in ignorance to realize their own enlightenment. It's the blind (blind to ignorance) leading the blind (blind to enlightenment). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's it, pretty much. Some people come here to explore their views, others come to consolidate them. In my experiences, the pissing contests begin with those who come to consolidate. Very perceptive. Those who are here in pursuit of the credo expressed on the home page rarely seem to get into the personality issues. As you say, they are here to explore their assumptions and their allegiance to dogma, not to defend it. The pissing contests seem to me to be, in almost all cases, started by those who are defending their assump- tions and are affronted by having their dogma challenged. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--If it were that easy to Let Go of dogma, or anything else, that would be wonderful, wouldn't it. But, the lesson maybe, that which there is the most resistance to, is where we need to bust the presumption, and grow to a higher understanding. The less we hold to dogma, and assumptions, the more open we are to spiritual growth. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's it, pretty much. Some people come here to explore their views, others come to consolidate them. In my experiences, the pissing contests begin with those who come to consolidate. Very perceptive. Those who are here in pursuit of the credo expressed on the home page rarely seem to get into the personality issues. As you say, they are here to explore their assumptions and their allegiance to dogma, not to defend it. The pissing contests seem to me to be, in almost all cases, started by those who are defending their assump- tions and are affronted by having their dogma challenged. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --If it were that easy to Let Go of dogma, or anything else, that would be wonderful, wouldn't it. Hey, sometimes it take years to realize that some of our assumptions *came* from dogma, much less let go of them. :-) But, the lesson maybe, that which there is the most resistance to, is where we need to bust the presumption, and grow to a higher understanding. I've certainly found that to be true over the years. The less we hold to dogma, and assumptions, the more open we are to spiritual growth. Definitely agree with that one... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
---Eckhart Tolle in all of his writings and experiences attempts to describe the enlightened state to the rest of us; he gives many examples of: how to become aware of what he calls Presence. Become aware of the witness, he tries to give immediate awareness of the Now Moment. I have found his teachings to be helpful. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But if one could for a second remember the qualities of consciousness when not in meditation and then realize that life simply cannot exist even when ignorant, outside of those qualities, and also accept that ignorance is also based upon consciousness, and really make that connect, then they would see that there is nothing but consciousness. Does this describe the process you went through as you went through it, or is it back-to-front, as it were, from the perspective of having made the connect? My sense is that it is not easy for one who has made the connect to recapitulate the process of having made it, such that someone who hasn't made it yet can successfully follow the same steps and make the same connect. Just as those still in ignorance can be said to have forgotten their enlightenment, it seems to me, at least in many cases, that those who have realized their enlightenment can be said to have forgotten what it was like for them to be in ignorance. It's the nature of the beast, in both instances. In that regard, it's astonishing that *anybody* who has realized their enlightenment can teach those still in ignorance to realize their own enlightenment. It's the blind (blind to ignorance) leading the blind (blind to enlightenment). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
- Original Message - From: Robert Gimbel To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? ---Eckhart Tolle in all of his writings and experiences attempts to describe the enlightened state to the rest of us; he gives many examples of: how to become aware of what he calls "Presence".Become aware of the witness, he tries to give immediate awareness of the "Now Moment".I have found his teachings to be helpful. Language can be helpful, to some all that is needed is proper language. To others language can be a barrier. But I have always found the focus on the now to be of supreme value. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
In that regard, it's astonishing that *anybody*who has realized their enlightenment can teachthose still in ignorance to realize their ownenlightenment. It's the blind (blind to ignorance)leading the blind (blind to enlightenment).To the extent that one has faith in the lineage, and only to that extent can the realization of the lineage be transferred. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's it, pretty much. Some people come here to explore their views, others come to consolidate them. In my experiences, the pissing contests begin with those who come to consolidate. Very perceptive. Those who are here in pursuit of the credo expressed on the home page rarely seem to get into the personality issues. As you say, they are here to explore their assumptions and their allegiance to dogma, not to defend it. The pissing contests seem to me to be, in almost all cases, started by those who are defending their assump- tions and are affronted by having their dogma challenged. The most pernicious dogma of all is that of self-congratulation at the expense of others, or its complement, demeaning others in the service of self-congratulation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like watching Doug Henning perform his close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's a trick, but that doesn't help you see through it, because it's so well done. Something *else* has to happen for you to perceive the trick. That's what everyone who is attached to attachment says. :-) I love the analogy Judy strikes above. I've been told all this creation around me is an illusion, and I'm inclined to believe I'm being told the truth, but for the life of me I can't see how. I can see how my perception colors it, but I can't see how I'm actually creating it or how I'm being deceived. As for Barry's remark, what am I to make of that? I could gain by loosening my attachment to attachment? I'll see the illusion? If you'd like to elaborate, Barry, please feel free. - I wonder if anyone has ever compiled a list of all the different means by which people have awakened. There seems to be a correlation between training and awakening, but otherwise it seems random, judging from the accounts I've read. People often recount a predisposal to altered states going back to childhood, but otherwise, I've read all manner of stories of how people have popped into realization on the way to doing something else. Suzanne Segal is boarding a bus; Peter Sutphen is walking to the dome, Tom Traynor is -- what? Getting hit by a car? I forgot your story, Tom. Rory Goff says Enough of this. I quit trying to be enlightened, et voilà . So who's to say what's needed to flip the switch? Frankly, I haven't heard a better account for all this than what has come from Maharishi. One needs to culture awareness of the self being aware of itself and raise the level of collective consciousness at large. Then, with grace, you may wake up. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Strange, simply strange how differently people read a person's intent. lurk You're not fooling anyone, lurk, with your constant snide put-downs of me! Ha! I'm onto you and your anti-TM ways. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like watching Doug Henning perform his close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's a trick, but that doesn't help you see through it, because it's so well done. Something *else* has to happen for you to perceive the trick. That's what everyone who is attached to attachment says. :-) I love the analogy Judy strikes above. I've been told all this creation around me is an illusion, and I'm inclined to believe I'm being told the truth, but for the life of me I can't see how. I can see how my perception colors it, but I can't see how I'm actually creating it or how I'm being deceived. As for Barry's remark, what am I to make of that? Whatever you'd like. I could gain by loosening my attachment to attachment? I think so. I'll see the illusion? Personally, I don't think there is any illusion. There is only reality, and attachment to unreality, which doesn't exist. If you'd like to elaborate, Barry, please feel free. What I was thinking of when I first wrote that was the attachment we all have to *formula*. We'd all like to believe that there is something we can *do* -- a tech- nique, a mantra, some behavior we perform, some behavior we give up -- that could be the trick that allows realization of enlightenment to happen. I think it's the attachment to there being some trick or something else that has to happen before we realize our enlightenment that seems to prevent the realization of enlightenment. Not much of an explanation, but I'm on the last few chapters of the new Harry Potter book, and that's much more important than spouting theory about enlightenment... :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: big snip Not much of an explanation, but I'm on the last few chapters of the new Harry Potter book, and that's much more important than spouting theory about enlightenment... :-) I agree most emphatically about that. And I have never read Harry Potter. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic approaches that fail to explain how an initial intellectual understanding that one is already enlightened can be utilized to trigger realization. If this understanding is held simply as another waking state concept, then it will have no impact- just another conceptual burden. However, if this understanding is used as a springboard for authentic inquiry, much can occur. Exactly. The misunderstanding comes from attempting to make a non-intellectual process into an intellectual exercise. Oui, d'accord. The conceptual understanding facilitates the experiential discrimination of the intellect. So let's have the explanation of how the intellectual understanding can be used as a springboard for authentic inquiry, please. P.S.: The explanation should probably be given by someone for whom the authentic inquiry has actually triggered realization. I had a powerful awakening experience at age 16. At that time I didn't even know about the concepts of awakening or enlightenment. I had not practiced the kind of meditation, where your aim is to silence your mind. I had no awakened people around me. But I had been quite spontaneously drawn to intense inner dialogues. It went like this: An idea or proposition often of existential nature came to my mind. It activated an other voice that tried to challenge the proposition. I spent every week many hours withdrawn to this kind of meditation. At the moment of the awakening experience I was not immersed in an inner dialogue. I was just walking down stairs and thinking nothing special. Suddenly I just felt a thud in my head. My whole perception changed permanently and there has been no relapse to the old state. I felt deep inner stability and peace that could not be shattered by any emotional state. I think my inner dialogues had moulded the ground for this transition. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program is to no longer be overshadowed. You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that you believe the duality- that there is something external to you. Its a common trick of the mind by the way; everyone falls for it at some point ;) I know you mean it in the nicest possible way, but Jim, I get REALLY REALLY tired of hearing that kind of formulation. It isn't helpful or inspiring. It's my working assumption on an intellectual basis, but it doesn't undo the trick. If it did, I'd have become un-overshadowed many years ago. Thanks, and I'd like to think I'm a nice person, but no, I wasn't saying it to be nice. I mention it because it is the living truth. Which you admit to knowing intellectually already. There are three things which must be present for us to not be 'overshadowed'. One is that the mind must be perfectly balanced. Second, the heart must be pure and clear. Third, the heart and mind must join as one, coordinated. So any perception of being overshadowed, i.e. there is something outside of me preventing me from being me, comes from one of the above components not being available. Keep in mind that the loss of overshadowing comes about through Divine Grace. We work at it and work at and work at it, and then when we are just sick of 'the path to enlightenment' and exhausted in our efforts, it comes; If the heart is fearless and the mind is resolute, the 'overshadowing' is transformed into the One. The subjective experience might be like this: that we have tried and tried to gain enlightenment, keeping in mind all of the signs and subjective phenomena that have been reported and verified. Then, very quickly, all of that which we have done loses all of its meaning. There is no longer a state of consciousness to aspire to. None of the 'rules' on how to remove the overshadowing make sense, have any meaning. They become hollow. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is why this intellectualization is useless, either for encouragement or for putting people down. All it does is push things back a level: Instead of having to overcome the reality of being overshadowed, now it's the false feeling of the reality of being overshadowed that must be overcome. This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic approaches that fail to explain how an initial intellectual understanding that one is already enlightened can be utilized to trigger realization. If this understanding is held simply as another waking state concept, then it will have no impact- just another conceptual burden. However, if this understanding is used as a springboard for authentic inquiry, much can occur. Yes, knowing the outcome, that of disappearance of any duality, puzzles the mind and spurs the heart to inquire How can this be so?. Through the resolute questioning of the perception of duality vs the reality of oneness, the overshadowing is quickly eliminated. small self to infinite self: fuck it, you win. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I have noted is that any trace of judgementalism in one of my posts comes back to me a hundred fold. And I don't have to wait very long. L B S Isn't instant karma supposed to be a good thing? :-) I prefer frozen concentrate, myself... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: \ P.S.: The explanation should probably be given by someone for whom the authentic inquiry has actually triggered realization. \ All that there is, is God. Grok. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like watching Doug Henning perform his close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's a trick, but that doesn't help you see through it, because it's so well done. Something *else* has to happen for you to perceive the trick. That's what everyone who is attached to attachment says. :-) I love the analogy Judy strikes above. I've been told all this creation around me is an illusion, and I'm inclined to believe I'm being told the truth, but for the life of me I can't see how. I can see how my perception colors it, but I can't see how I'm actually creating it or how I'm being deceived. As for Barry's remark, what am I to make of that? I could gain by loosening my attachment to attachment? I'll see the illusion? If you'd like to elaborate, Barry, please feel free. - I wonder if anyone has ever compiled a list of all the different means by which people have awakened. There seems to be a correlation between training and awakening, but otherwise it seems random, judging from the accounts I've read. People often recount a predisposal to altered states going back to childhood, but otherwise, I've read all manner of stories of how people have popped into realization on the way to doing something else. Suzanne Segal is boarding a bus; Peter Sutphen is walking to the dome, Tom Traynor is -- what? Getting hit by a car? I forgot your story, Tom. Rory Goff says Enough of this. I quit trying to be enlightened, et voilà . So who's to say what's needed to flip the switch? Frankly, I haven't heard a better account for all this than what has come from Maharishi. One needs to culture awareness of the self being aware of itself and raise the level of collective consciousness at large. Then, with grace, you may wake up. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --If it were that easy to Let Go of dogma, or anything else, that would be wonderful, wouldn't it. But, the lesson maybe, that which there is the most resistance to, is where we need to bust the presumption, and grow to a higher understanding. The less we hold to dogma, and assumptions, the more open we are to spiritual growth. Of course, the physiological viewpoint asserts its a simultaneous thing: spiritual growth = flexability in nervous system. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like watching Doug Henning perform his close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's a trick, but that doesn't help you see through it, because it's so well done. Something *else* has to happen for you to perceive the trick. That's what everyone who is attached to attachment says. :-) I love the analogy Judy strikes above. I've been told all this creation around me is an illusion, and I'm inclined to believe I'm being told the truth, but for the life of me I can't see how. I can see how my perception colors it, but I can't see how I'm actually creating it or how I'm being deceived. As for Barry's remark, what am I to make of that? I could gain by loosening my attachment to attachment? I'll see the illusion? If you'd like to elaborate, Barry, please feel free. What *I* was told is that in Unity, the illusion is thinking that there is a distinction between reality and Reality. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [...] I had a powerful awakening experience at age 16. At that time I didn't even know about the concepts of awakening or enlightenment. I had not practiced the kind of meditation, where your aim is to silence your mind. I don't ever think that I've gotten anything from the kind of meditation where the aim is to silence your mind --not even silence. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In that regard, it's astonishing that *anybody* who has realized their enlightenment can teach those still in ignorance to realize their own enlightenment. It's the blind (blind to ignorance) leading the blind (blind to enlightenment). To the extent that one has faith in the lineage, and only to that extent can the realization of the lineage be transferred. Nyah. The enlightened remember what its like NOT to be enlightened, while the unenlightened don't remember what its like to be enlightened. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like watching Doug Henning perform his close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's a trick, but that doesn't help you see through it, because it's so well done. Something *else* has to happen for you to perceive the trick. That's what everyone who is attached to attachment says. :-) I love the analogy Judy strikes above. I've been told all this creation around me is an illusion, and I'm inclined to believe I'm being told the truth, but for the life of me I can't see how. I can see how my perception colors it, but I can't see how I'm actually creating it or how I'm being deceived. As for Barry's remark, what am I to make of that? I could gain by loosening my attachment to attachment? I'll see the illusion? If you'd like to elaborate, Barry, please feel free. - I wonder if anyone has ever compiled a list of all the different means by which people have awakened. There seems to be a correlation between training and awakening, but otherwise it seems random, judging from the accounts I've read. People often recount a predisposal to altered states going back to childhood, but otherwise, I've read all manner of stories of how people have popped into realization on the way to doing something else. Suzanne Segal is boarding a bus; Peter Sutphen is walking to the dome, Tom Traynor is -- what? Getting hit by a car? I forgot your story, Tom. Rory Goff says Enough of this. I quit trying to be enlightened, et voilà . So who's to say what's needed to flip the switch? Frankly, I haven't heard a better account for all this than what has come from Maharishi. One needs to culture awareness of the self being aware of itself and raise the level of collective consciousness at large. Then, with grace, you may wake up. - Patrick Gillam Personally I go with Rory's account- getting so sick of not being enlightened; unable to intellectually resolve the duality, that it is then easier to become awakened, enlightened, Brahman, no boundaries. Because in every case of awakening, there is intention, strong intention. And that intention resolves itself the way any other intention does, by becoming real. There is no trick or 'magic bullet' to it. It is purely and absolutely a matter of wanting something badly enough that you are willing to give up everything in order to get it. Challenge ruthlessly, non-stop, every concept and idea and feeling of yourself and your world and everyone in it, until there is nothing left. Then you will wake up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like watching Doug Henning perform his close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's a trick, but that doesn't help you see through it, because it's so well done. Something *else* has to happen for you to perceive the trick. That's what everyone who is attached to attachment says. :-) I love the analogy Judy strikes above. I've been told all this creation around me is an illusion, and I'm inclined to believe I'm being told the truth, but for the life of me I can't see how. I can see how my perception colors it, but I can't see how I'm actually creating it or how I'm being deceived. As for Barry's remark, what am I to make of that? I could gain by loosening my attachment to attachment? I'll see the illusion? If you'd like to elaborate, Barry, please feel free. What *I* was told is that in Unity, the illusion is thinking that there is a distinction between reality and Reality. Unity is seeing the same God within thee that one sees in me. Brahman is also recognizing the color of shirt you are wearing ;) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
jim_flanegin wrote: Challenge ruthlessly, non-stop, every concept and idea and feeling of yourself and your world and everyone in it, until there is nothing left. Then you will wake up. That's how you did it, Jim? - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: Challenge ruthlessly, non-stop, every concept and idea and feeling of yourself and your world and everyone in it, until there is nothing left. Then you will wake up. That's how you did it, Jim? - Patrick Gillam Through honestly living my perception on the one hand, that of duality, acting on things and people and having them act on me, and on the other, holding fast to the intellectual understanding that there is only one identity, Brahman, comprising everything, infinite and timeless, the paradox resolved itself. All of my stories about myself not being ultimately responsible for my reality, all of my stories about where I was going and what it would feel like and look like once I got there, all of my stories about where I was and how much farther I had to go in order to get there, all of that went away. Wasn't there a TV show on about 30 or 40 years ago called 'Concentration' where pieces covering a puzzle were slowly removed, until you could see the entire puzzle underneath and then solve it? That is what awakening is like. We are continually uncovering pieces of the Reality, without completely realizing what we are doing while we are doing it, and at the same time, uncovering just enough to both spur us on with our partial success, and increase our desire, our thirst, to uncover more. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --If it were that easy to Let Go of dogma, or anything else, that would be wonderful, wouldn't it. But, the lesson maybe, that which there is the most resistance to, is where we need to bust the presumption, and grow to a higher understanding. The less we hold to dogma, and assumptions, the more open we are to spiritual growth. Of course, the physiological viewpoint asserts its a simultaneous thing: spiritual growth = flexability in nervous system. Yes, the TM Sidhis is a very fast way to culture flexibility in the nervous system. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the time day after day doing program is to no longer be overshadowed. You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that you believe the duality- that there is something external to you. Its a common trick of the mind by the way; everyone falls for it at some point ;) I know you mean it in the nicest possible way, but Jim, I get REALLY REALLY tired of hearing that kind of formulation. It isn't helpful or inspiring. It's my working assumption on an intellectual basis, but it doesn't undo the trick. If it did, I'd have become un-overshadowed many years ago. Thanks, and I'd like to think I'm a nice person, but no, I wasn't saying it to be nice. I meant you were saying it to be helpful, not as a putdown. I mention it because it is the living truth. Which you admit to knowing intellectually already. If I had a nickel every time I've heard it, I'd be rich. There are three things which must be present for us to not be 'overshadowed'. One is that the mind must be perfectly balanced. Second, the heart must be pure and clear. Third, the heart and mind must join as one, coordinated. So any perception of being overshadowed, i.e. there is something outside of me preventing me from being me, comes from one of the above components not being available. I don't have any perception of it coming from the *outside*, fer pete's sake! Keep in mind that the loss of overshadowing comes about through Divine Grace. Except that first the mind must be perfectly balanced. Second, the heart must be pure and clear. Third, the heart and mind must join as one, coordinated. At least that's what I thought I just heard you say. We work at it and work at and work at it Well, not if we're (not-)doing TM. I think of transcending as allowing what overshadows Divine Grace to subside. , and then when we are just sick of 'the path to enlightenment' and exhausted in our efforts, it comes; If the heart is fearless and the mind is resolute, the 'overshadowing' is transformed into the One. The subjective experience might be like this: that we have tried and tried to gain enlightenment, keeping in mind all of the signs and subjective phenomena that have been reported and verified. Then, very quickly, all of that which we have done loses all of its meaning. There is no longer a state of consciousness to aspire to. None of the 'rules' on how to remove the overshadowing make sense, have any meaning. They become hollow. How about first the mind must be perfectly balanced, second, the heart must be pure and clear, and third, the heart and mind must join as one, coordinated? Do they become hollow too? Jim, I'm not trying to be difficult, and I appreciate your attempts to be helpful and speak the truth as you experience it. It's just that there's a disconnect that many people who are there already don't seem to recognize, and it can be intensely frustrating to those who aren't there yet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The enlightened remember what its like NOT to be enlightened Do they? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I could gain by loosening my attachment to attachment? I think so. snip What I was thinking of when I first wrote that was the attachment we all have to *formula*. Such as, being attached to attachment? We'd all like to believe that there is something we can *do* -- a tech- nique, a mantra, some behavior we perform, some behavior we give up -- that could be the trick that allows realization of enlightenment to happen. Such as, loosening attachment to attachment? I think it's the attachment to there being some trick or something else that has to happen before we realize our enlightenment that seems to prevent the realization of enlightenment. Oh, so it's *not* a matter of loosening attachment to attachment. Not much of an explanation, but I'm on the last few chapters of the new Harry Potter book, and that's much more important than spouting theory about enlightenment... :-) But not more important than spouting a few formulas about attachment, it seems. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like watching Doug Henning perform his close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's a trick, but that doesn't help you see through it, because it's so well done. Something *else* has to happen for you to perceive the trick. That's what everyone who is attached to attachment says. :-) I love the analogy Judy strikes above. I've been told all this creation around me is an illusion, and I'm inclined to believe I'm being told the truth, but for the life of me I can't see how. I can see how my perception colors it, but I can't see how I'm actually creating it or how I'm being deceived. As for Barry's remark, what am I to make of that? I could gain by loosening my attachment to attachment? I'll see the illusion? If you'd like to elaborate, Barry, please feel free. What *I* was told is that in Unity, the illusion is thinking that there is a distinction between reality and Reality. Unity is seeing the same God within thee that one sees in me. Brahman is also recognizing the color of shirt you are wearing ;) If you can find a thee or me in Unity I'll mail you $50. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip What I was thinking of when I first wrote that was the attachment we all have to *formula*. We'd all like to believe that there is something we can *do* -- a tech- nique, a mantra, some behavior we perform, some behavior we give up -- that could be the trick that allows realization of enlightenment to happen. I think it's the attachment to there being some trick or something else that has to happen before we realize our enlightenment that seems to prevent the realization of enlightenment. Not much of an explanation, but I'm on the last few chapters of the new Harry Potter book, and that's much more important than spouting theory about enlightenment... :-) Unc Yes, theories of attachment are know to cause severe intellectual diarrhea and cramping in 73% of the 20 years or more meditating population in a recent double-blind study published in High-Ho India!. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
On Jul 25, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: Yes, theories of attachment are know to cause severe intellectual diarrhea and cramping in 73% of the 20 years or more meditating population in a recent double-blind study published in High-Ho India!. Shit! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] How to get Enlightened
Just be. Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've been on this forum several months and have been subject to my share of putdowns. It's opinions. I'll let others decide for themselves which opinions are valuable or which ones are off the wall. The attachment I see here is trying to be right and prove to everyone that you are. snip to end That's it, pretty much. Some people come here to explore their views, others come to consolidate them. In my experiences, the pissing contests begin with those who come to consolidate. I generally try to avoid personality issues in these exchanges, but it's nearly impossible over the long run. One thing I have noted is that any trace of judgementalism in one of my posts comes back to me a hundred fold. And I don't have to wait very long. L B S Ditto to that. This group keeps you intellectually honest! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I meant you were saying it to be helpful, not as a putdown. OK, got it. Yes, that's right. I mention it because it is the living truth. Which you admit to knowing intellectually already. If I had a nickel every time I've heard it, I'd be rich. Yes, wouldn't we all! And yet we remember it because instinctively we know it is true. There are three things which must be present for us to not be 'overshadowed'. One is that the mind must be perfectly balanced. Second, the heart must be pure and clear. Third, the heart and mind must join as one, coordinated. So any perception of being overshadowed, i.e. there is something outside of me preventing me from being me, comes from one of the above components not being available. I don't have any perception of it coming from the *outside*, fer pete's sake! OK, put another way, getting rid of that within which is not truly me so that the true me can be here. Or put another way, bringing into balance that which feels out of balance within me. Keep in mind that the loss of overshadowing comes about through Divine Grace. Except that first the mind must be perfectly balanced. Second, the heart must be pure and clear. Third, the heart and mind must join as one, coordinated. At least that's what I thought I just heard you say. Exactly. Its just that none of us know when precisely awakening occurs for us or anyone else. You must want it with all heart and mind and then just keep wanting it, and getting closer and closer, just as you are doing Judy. We work at it and work at and work at it Well, not if we're (not-)doing TM. I think of transcending as allowing what overshadows Divine Grace to subside. Yes, it really speeds up our ability to become adept at the full range of experience. snipThen, very quickly, all of that which we have done loses all of its meaning. There is no longer a state of consciousness to aspire to. None of the 'rules' on how to remove the overshadowing make sense, have any meaning. They become hollow. How about first the mind must be perfectly balanced, second, the heart must be pure and clear, and third, the heart and mind must join as one, coordinated? Do they become hollow too? No, they become as stated. Its just that those three elements can't be completely verified until one wakes up. All the stories about our experience prior to awakening are rendered useless though, in my experience. Jim, I'm not trying to be difficult, and I appreciate your attempts to be helpful and speak the truth as you experience it. It's just that there's a disconnect that many people who are there already don't seem to recognize, and it can be intensely frustrating to those who aren't there yet. I totally understand and agree. No one can provide the experience of awakening to you, or for you. You will awaken fully on your own, when you get intensely and completely frustrated with not being awake. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unity is seeing the same God within thee that one sees in me. Brahman is also recognizing the color of shirt you are wearing ;) If you can find a thee or me in Unity I'll mail you $50. To do that would be priceless. No deal. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Religion Religious freedom
Is religion good for the world? Should every country support religious freedom? In other areas of the world there is often not the level of religious freedom we enjoy in this country (USA). Curious about how people feel about this. Thanks. Jeff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just be. Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. Try to just be? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's the attachment to there being some trick or something else that has to happen before we realize our enlightenment that seems to prevent the realization of enlightenment. I completely agree. Subtle (or not-so-subtle) denial of the perfection of this Now in favor of some imaginary or conceptual not-Now appears to be the foundation of (belief in) ignorance. Not much of an explanation, but I'm on the last few chapters of the new Harry Potter book, and that's much more important than spouting theory about enlightenment... :-) Interesting! I am on the first few chapters of the new Harry Potter book myself :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Thanks for responding Rory. Your Nowness is always much appreciated! Thanks for sharing these, Jim! Your boundless appreciation is always much appreciated! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think my inner dialogues had moulded the ground for this transition. Can definitely relate, Irmeli -- after getting fed up with the carrot- on-a-stick and deciding to accept/insist on Perfection NOW, the mind lit up with a very rapid dialectic that bottomed into the transition. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip All the stories about our experience prior to awakening are rendered useless though, in my experience. Which may be why, as I've been suggesting, there's this huge disconnect between the enlightened and the ignorant in terms of communication. It seems to me that as useless as pre-enlightenment experience stories may seem to the enlightened, they need to realize and acknowledge how very real they are to those in ignorance. That's the reality we're dealing with, even if it's obviously unreal to the enlightened. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nyah. The enlightened remember what its like NOT to be enlightened, snip Gotta say it's more like a memory of a memory of a memory -- not a lot of juice there. Rather, am continually surprised by people's steadfast refusal to see the obvious, though to be fair I was equally shocked at my own erstwhile abilities to deny the ever- present obvious when I finally gave up and admitted it :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's the attachment to there being some trick or something else that has to happen before we realize our enlightenment that seems to prevent the realization of enlightenment. I completely agree. Subtle (or not-so-subtle) denial of the perfection of this Now in favor of some imaginary or conceptual not-Now appears to be the foundation of (belief in) ignorance. It's not just denial or conceptual or imaginary or belief, Rory. And that formulation--unintentionally in your case, I'm sure--is insulting and demeaning to those whose living reality it is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moreover, even if I'd never encountered Barry prior to joining FFL, I'd find a lot of his behavior offensive and inappropriate. and I'll bet he's DAMN proud of it! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Thanks for responding Rory. Your Nowness is always much appreciated! Thanks for sharing these, Jim! Your boundless appreciation is always much appreciated! :-) Hey, I appreciate that! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think my inner dialogues had moulded the ground for this transition. Can definitely relate, Irmeli -- after getting fed up with the carrot- on-a-stick and deciding to accept/insist on Perfection NOW, the mind lit up with a very rapid dialectic that bottomed into the transition. Yes, it goes very rapidly once the mind realizes and the heart feels that all is lost! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip All the stories about our experience prior to awakening are rendered useless though, in my experience. Which may be why, as I've been suggesting, there's this huge disconnect between the enlightened and the ignorant in terms of communication. It seems to me that as useless as pre-enlightenment experience stories may seem to the enlightened, they need to realize and acknowledge how very real they are to those in ignorance. That's the reality we're dealing with, even if it's obviously unreal to the enlightened. Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness- That Guy To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
Interesting! I am on the first few chapters of the new Harry Potter book myself :-)How very very interesting, my wife is reading it, and I will be reading it after. Wow. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's the attachment to there being some trick or something else that has to happen before we realize our enlightenment that seems to prevent the realization of enlightenment. I completely agree. Subtle (or not-so-subtle) denial of the perfection of this Now in favor of some imaginary or conceptual not-Now appears to be the foundation of (belief in) ignorance. It's not just denial or conceptual or imaginary or belief, Rory. Actually, as far as I can see, that is precisely what it is. Could be completely wrong, of course :-) And that formulation--unintentionally in your case, I'm sure--is insulting and demeaning to those whose living reality it is. It's certainly not my intent to insult or demean anyone, Judy; most emphatically not You; I love you with all my heart. I only meant to point out how my awakening appeared to me, and how my previous ignorance seemed to work in denying the ever-present awakening. I realize that this may be of no great benefit to the conscious mind of anyone believing themselves to be in ignorance, but I am not particularly interested in that part of the conscious mind, anyhow. The best it can do is deny Perfection Now (like an addiction to the past or future) until it bottoms out and gives up into what IS. I am speaking rather to and for the part of Us that knows the Truth -- to awaken or stimulate the US that always IS. Byron Katie is a far clearer sage than I am though -- she actually gives a deceptively simple technique for discovering Perfection Now in her book Loving what Is. If you haven't read and practiced her Work, I highly recommend her! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting! I am on the first few chapters of the new Harry Potter book myself :-) How very very interesting, my wife is reading it, and I will be reading it after. Wow. I take your point; how very unusual that we are all on the same wavelength, simultaneously reading such an obscure children's book! It would be different if it were an international best-seller or something of course... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting! I am on the first few chapters of the new Harry Potter book myself :-) How very very interesting, my wife is reading it, and I will be reading it after. Wow. I take your point; how very unusual that we are all on the same wavelength, simultaneously reading such an obscure children's book! It would be different if it were an international best-seller or something of course... I'm reading Carl Hiaasen's 'Skinny Dip' (fiction), a comedy set in South Florida, and just started 'Eyeing the Flash- The Education of A Carnival Con Artist' (non-fiction) by Peter Fenton. The first one is really good- fun and well written, almost done. The second one is OK, colorful, though not sure how far I'll get with it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip All the stories about our experience prior to awakening are rendered useless though, in my experience. Which may be why, as I've been suggesting, there's this huge disconnect between the enlightened and the ignorant in terms of communication. It seems to me that as useless as pre-enlightenment experience stories may seem to the enlightened, they need to realize and acknowledge how very real they are to those in ignorance. That's the reality we're dealing with, even if it's obviously unreal to the enlightened. Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness- That Guy Yup yup yup. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
