[FairfieldLife] 'Satellite Views of New Orleans/Before&After/Hurricane Katrina'

2005-09-01 Thread Robert Gimbel



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[FairfieldLife] '4 Dead In Ohio'/1,000's Dead In New Orleans/And Iraq'

2005-09-01 Thread Robert Gimbel



A long time ago;
 
A song came out;
 
By Crosby, Stills and Nash;
 
Back in the Sixties.
 
The song was about;
 
The aweful killing of four Ohio State students;
 
On their campus;
 
They were killed by National Guard Troops;
 
Who were edgy that terrible day;
 
And shot dead four young students, that day...
 
Now, we have another Republican President;
 
And last week;
 
I saw Mr. Steven Stills;
 
On one of the news shows;
 
And he said of President Bush:
 
"That Chimp in the White House".
 
I thought that was rude and disrespectful;
 
Of our President.
 
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[FairfieldLife] 'Stealthy Hurricane Katrina/May Continue to Produce Storms'

2005-09-01 Thread Robert Gimbel



The remnents of Hurricane Katrina;
 
Some forecasters are predicting;
 
That the humidity and floods;
 
Of Hurricane Katrina;
 
Could continue to kick up storms;
 
As the western air of the jet stream;
 
Out of the Northwest;
 
Kicks up thunderstorms in the Midwest.
 
This weather pattern;
 
Could continue for several weeks, or even months.
 
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[FairfieldLife] The press release many of us suspect is coming

2005-09-01 Thread TurquoiseB
MAHARISHI'S MESSAGE TO THE WORLD PRESS - SEPTEMBER 1, 2005

Katrina 'Devastation' Seen as Golden 
Opportunity for World Peace and Windfall 
for Builders Invited to Participate in 
Global Reconstruction Program

As previously announced, the World Government's Global 
Reconstruction Program will raise the world's population 
from problem-ridden life to problem-free life—life in 
accord with Total Natural Law -- life in enlightenment, 
perfect health, affluence, invincibility, and peace.

However, many cynics and problem-ridden people, attached 
to their cultures and traditions and to the non-Vastu-
friendly buildings in their countries, did not immediately 
see the wisdom of tearing the whole lot of them down and 
starting over with Vastu-correct buildings constructed by 
TM front companies.

Enter Nature.  Hurricane Katrina should be viewed as the 
response of the realm of Natural Law to the failure of the 
world to immediately tear down all the old buildings and 
reconstruct the world in accord with Natural Law and to do 
it -- as we demanded in our initial Press Releases -- 
simultaneously and quickly. "Time and tide wait for no one," 
Maharishi said at that time.  The world didn't listen.

So the realm of Total Natural Law responded by 'devastating' 
the first of many non-Vastu cities.  Just look at the word 
'devastate.'  Could the meaning be any clearer?  The city 
of New Orleans was not Vastu-compliant; therefore it was 
de-Vastu-ated, to clear the way for a *proper* Vastu city 
to be built on its ruins.

We in the World Government are sorry, of course, about the 
minor inconvenience of millions of people being without 
homes while the reconstruction effort is taking place, but 
you can make an om-lette without breaking a few eggs, can
you?  Similarly, we are distressed at the loss of life.  It
is regrettable that so many died as Nature rearranged things.
To help make up for this loss, the World Government pledges
to give each of these returning souls a discount on learning
the TM program when they reincarnate.  The course fee for
such reincarnated souls will be $2000, or 1/3 of the current
course fee, whichever is higher.  It's the least we can do.

None of this was necessary.  If you had just listened to 
what we said and torn down all of your cities immediately
to make room for the incredibly more Nature-compliant Vastu 
replacements, Nature would not have been forced to make you
comply.  That it was is an expression of one of Maharishi's 
primary teachings, "Avoid the problem before it arises," 
which he has recently re-translated from the original Vedic
verses to read, "If you had just given us the money we asked 
for when we asked for it, you'd be high and dry now."

Providing Fortune-Creating Homes through the World Recon-
struction Program is just one of the undertakings of the 
Global Country of World Peace.  Just wait until we get into
the clothing business and you're asked to throw away every
item of clothing you own and buy an all-new Vedic-compliant 
wardrobe.  When that happens, remember Katrina and get out 
your credit cards.  







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[FairfieldLife] Press Release (For Maharishi),Lovingly yours...'

2005-09-01 Thread Robert Gimbel
God Bless Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 
For all the many foot-steps he took;
Out of the mountains of India;
Long ago, before we were even thought of.
God Bless John and Bevan, for being the symbols;
Of loyalty, to one's Master.
God Bless anyone who ever ran into, Mahesh;
The once little boy;
Who dreamt of a New World...

That he would help to create.
By mea intention, entangled with love;

For the Master, he gives all "Glory To".
Someone who;

We in the West can only ponder;

Someone who leaves home;
At the tender age of 11;
To seek a Master;
And went through quite a few;
Until he came upon; 
One who was "Peaceful".

And so, our Mahesh Yogi, of the Himalayas Mts.
We thank you God;
For creating one as beautiful;
As this one;

We lovingly call:
Maharishi.

Copyright 2005 Robert Gimbel



-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> MAHARISHI'S MESSAGE TO THE WORLD PRESS - SEPTEMBER 1, 2005
> 
> Katrina 'Devastation' Seen as Golden 
> Opportunity for World Peace and Windfall 
> for Builders Invited to Participate in 
> Global Reconstruction Program
> 
> As previously announced, the World Government's Global 
> Reconstruction Program will raise the world's population 
> from problem-ridden life to problem-free life—life in 
> accord with Total Natural Law -- life in enlightenment, 
> perfect health, affluence, invincibility, and peace.
> 
> However, many cynics and problem-ridden people, attached 
> to their cultures and traditions and to the non-Vastu-
> friendly buildings in their countries, did not immediately 
> see the wisdom of tearing the whole lot of them down and 
> starting over with Vastu-correct buildings constructed by 
> TM front companies.
> 
> Enter Nature.  Hurricane Katrina should be viewed as the 
> response of the realm of Natural Law to the failure of the 
> world to immediately tear down all the old buildings and 
> reconstruct the world in accord with Natural Law and to do 
> it -- as we demanded in our initial Press Releases -- 
> simultaneously and quickly. "Time and tide wait for no one," 
> Maharishi said at that time.  The world didn't listen.
> 
> So the realm of Total Natural Law responded by 'devastating' 
> the first of many non-Vastu cities.  Just look at the word 
> 'devastate.'  Could the meaning be any clearer?  The city 
> of New Orleans was not Vastu-compliant; therefore it was 
> de-Vastu-ated, to clear the way for a *proper* Vastu city 
> to be built on its ruins.
> 
> We in the World Government are sorry, of course, about the 
> minor inconvenience of millions of people being without 
> homes while the reconstruction effort is taking place, but 
> you can make an om-lette without breaking a few eggs, can
> you?  Similarly, we are distressed at the loss of life.  It
> is regrettable that so many died as Nature rearranged things.
> To help make up for this loss, the World Government pledges
> to give each of these returning souls a discount on learning
> the TM program when they reincarnate.  The course fee for
> such reincarnated souls will be $2000, or 1/3 of the current
> course fee, whichever is higher.  It's the least we can do.
> 
> None of this was necessary.  If you had just listened to 
> what we said and torn down all of your cities immediately
> to make room for the incredibly more Nature-compliant Vastu 
> replacements, Nature would not have been forced to make you
> comply.  That it was is an expression of one of Maharishi's 
> primary teachings, "Avoid the problem before it arises," 
> which he has recently re-translated from the original Vedic
> verses to read, "If you had just given us the money we asked 
> for when we asked for it, you'd be high and dry now."
> 
> Providing Fortune-Creating Homes through the World Recon-
> struction Program is just one of the undertakings of the 
> Global Country of World Peace.  Just wait until we get into
> the clothing business and you're asked to throw away every
> item of clothing you own and buy an all-new Vedic-compliant 
> wardrobe.  When that happens, remember Katrina and get out 
> your credit cards.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The press release many of us suspect is coming

2005-09-01 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
You are very, very naughty - stop giving marketing ideas which might 
compromise the integrity of the Srivastava Dynasty!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> MAHARISHI'S MESSAGE TO THE WORLD PRESS - SEPTEMBER 1, 2005
> 
> Katrina 'Devastation' Seen as Golden 
> Opportunity for World Peace and Windfall 
> for Builders Invited to Participate in 
> Global Reconstruction Program
> 
> As previously announced, the World Government's Global 
> Reconstruction Program will raise the world's population 
> from problem-ridden life to problem-free life—life in 
> accord with Total Natural Law -- life in enlightenment, 
> perfect health, affluence, invincibility, and peace.
> 
> However, many cynics and problem-ridden people, attached 
> to their cultures and traditions and to the non-Vastu-
> friendly buildings in their countries, did not immediately 
> see the wisdom of tearing the whole lot of them down and 
> starting over with Vastu-correct buildings constructed by 
> TM front companies.
> 
> Enter Nature.  Hurricane Katrina should be viewed as the 
> response of the realm of Natural Law to the failure of the 
> world to immediately tear down all the old buildings and 
> reconstruct the world in accord with Natural Law and to do 
> it -- as we demanded in our initial Press Releases -- 
> simultaneously and quickly. "Time and tide wait for no one," 
> Maharishi said at that time.  The world didn't listen.
> 
> So the realm of Total Natural Law responded by 'devastating' 
> the first of many non-Vastu cities.  Just look at the word 
> 'devastate.'  Could the meaning be any clearer?  The city 
> of New Orleans was not Vastu-compliant; therefore it was 
> de-Vastu-ated, to clear the way for a *proper* Vastu city 
> to be built on its ruins.
> 
> We in the World Government are sorry, of course, about the 
> minor inconvenience of millions of people being without 
> homes while the reconstruction effort is taking place, but 
> you can make an om-lette without breaking a few eggs, can
> you?  Similarly, we are distressed at the loss of life.  It
> is regrettable that so many died as Nature rearranged things.
> To help make up for this loss, the World Government pledges
> to give each of these returning souls a discount on learning
> the TM program when they reincarnate.  The course fee for
> such reincarnated souls will be $2000, or 1/3 of the current
> course fee, whichever is higher.  It's the least we can do.
> 
> None of this was necessary.  If you had just listened to 
> what we said and torn down all of your cities immediately
> to make room for the incredibly more Nature-compliant Vastu 
> replacements, Nature would not have been forced to make you
> comply.  That it was is an expression of one of Maharishi's 
> primary teachings, "Avoid the problem before it arises," 
> which he has recently re-translated from the original Vedic
> verses to read, "If you had just given us the money we asked 
> for when we asked for it, you'd be high and dry now."
> 
> Providing Fortune-Creating Homes through the World Recon-
> struction Program is just one of the undertakings of the 
> Global Country of World Peace.  Just wait until we get into
> the clothing business and you're asked to throw away every
> item of clothing you own and buy an all-new Vedic-compliant 
> wardrobe.  When that happens, remember Katrina and get out 
> your credit cards.





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[FairfieldLife] The Commandments of Coyote

2005-09-01 Thread TurquoiseB
Found on the Internet, shared for those who are 1) into
the Native American Coyote legends, 2) not as uptight 
about sex as Tom P., and 3) still able to laugh after
all this recent hurricane stuff...

I. Thou Shalt Have As Many Gods and Spirits and Personal Trainers 
and Gurus As You Like Before Me, But You Shalt Not Let Them Block 
the Exits, and More, You Shall Not Permit Them To Take the Last 
Beer, For That Beer Is Mine. Seriously. Don't. 

II. Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Wife, But Thou Art Totally 
Welcome To Admire Her Ass When She Walks By, and If It Happens To 
Come Out That They Are In An Open Relationship, Dude, Tap That Ass 
As Much As They Are Willing To Allow. Same Goes For the Ladies. 
Coveting Is Sort Of Stupid, But Sex Is Just Plain Fun, Unless Thou 
Art Doing It Entirely Wrong. 

III. If Thy Neighbor Says 'Hands Off My Wife, Dude', Thou Shalt 
Listen and Back Off, Because Otherwise, Thy Neighbor Will Be Totally 
Justified In Hitting You About the Head and Shoulders With Gardening 
Tools, and Don't Think That I'm Going To Step In There and Stop Him. 

IV. Adultery Is Actually Pretty Fun. Commit It All You Like. Just 
Make Sure Everyone Is Cool With It, Or I Will Not Help You Out Once 
the Hitting Gets Started. 

V. Thou Shalt Not Eat Poisoned Bait. If You Do, Don't Come Whining 
To Me About It, Because I Am Very Unlikely To Care. Once It Is In 
Your Mouth, It Is Your Problem, Not Mine. 

VI. Of Course Thou Shalt Kill. Carnivores Do That. Also, Swatting 
Mosquitoes, Sort Of Instinctive. But All Creatures Are Alive Before 
You Kill Them, and So Thou Shalt Respect Them In Their Lives and In 
Their Deaths. Thou Shalt Not Kill Without Reason. Thy Neighbor 
Tapping Thy Wife's Ass? Is Not A Reason. Don't Make Me Set A Plague 
Upon Thy Ass. Thou Wouldst Not Enjoy It, I Promise. 

VII. Thou Shalt Not Hoard. Seriously, Here. If You Have Enough, 
Share. Only Asshats Bogart Life. 

VIII. Thou Shalt Not Be A Martyr. If You Have One Beer, Drink It. Do 
Not Give It To Me and Then Expect Adoration. Dude, That Was Your 
Beer, I Did Not Break Your Arm To Get It. Give What You Can Give, 
and Expect Neither Praise Nor Worship. You Are Not Being Morally 
Superior, You Are Being A Decent Human Being. There Is A Difference. 

VIV. Assume This Is It. Maybe There Is Reincarnation; Maybe Not. Not 
Only Am I Not Saying, Please Consider the Fact That I Probably Get A 
Say In Whether You Come Back, and If You Are the Sort Of Person Who 
Doesn't Do Anything With One Life, Why Should I Waste My Time Giving 
You Another One? Live Like You Get No Second Chances. You Will Have 
More Fun. 

X. Are You Going To Eat That?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release (For Maharishi),Lovingly yours...'

2005-09-01 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
meditation is a technique for transcending thought, licking 
Maharishi's feet or those of any of his flunkies is unhealthy cult 
behaviour.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> God Bless Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 
> For all the many foot-steps he took;
> Out of the mountains of India;
> Long ago, before we were even thought of.
> God Bless John and Bevan, for being the symbols;
> Of loyalty, to one's Master.
> God Bless anyone who ever ran into, Mahesh;
> The once little boy;
> Who dreamt of a New World...
> 
> That he would help to create.
> By mea intention, entangled with love;
> 
> For the Master, he gives all "Glory To".
> Someone who;
> 
> We in the West can only ponder;
> 
> Someone who leaves home;
> At the tender age of 11;
> To seek a Master;
> And went through quite a few;
> Until he came upon; 
> One who was "Peaceful".
> 
> And so, our Mahesh Yogi, of the Himalayas Mts.
> We thank you God;
> For creating one as beautiful;
> As this one;
> 
> We lovingly call:
> Maharishi.
> 
> Copyright 2005 Robert Gimbel
> 
> 
> 
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > MAHARISHI'S MESSAGE TO THE WORLD PRESS - SEPTEMBER 1, 2005
> > 
> > Katrina 'Devastation' Seen as Golden 
> > Opportunity for World Peace and Windfall 
> > for Builders Invited to Participate in 
> > Global Reconstruction Program
> > 
> > As previously announced, the World Government's Global 
> > Reconstruction Program will raise the world's population 
> > from problem-ridden life to problem-free life—life in 
> > accord with Total Natural Law -- life in enlightenment, 
> > perfect health, affluence, invincibility, and peace.
> > 
> > However, many cynics and problem-ridden people, attached 
> > to their cultures and traditions and to the non-Vastu-
> > friendly buildings in their countries, did not immediately 
> > see the wisdom of tearing the whole lot of them down and 
> > starting over with Vastu-correct buildings constructed by 
> > TM front companies.
> > 
> > Enter Nature.  Hurricane Katrina should be viewed as the 
> > response of the realm of Natural Law to the failure of the 
> > world to immediately tear down all the old buildings and 
> > reconstruct the world in accord with Natural Law and to do 
> > it -- as we demanded in our initial Press Releases -- 
> > simultaneously and quickly. "Time and tide wait for no one," 
> > Maharishi said at that time.  The world didn't listen.
> > 
> > So the realm of Total Natural Law responded by 'devastating' 
> > the first of many non-Vastu cities.  Just look at the word 
> > 'devastate.'  Could the meaning be any clearer?  The city 
> > of New Orleans was not Vastu-compliant; therefore it was 
> > de-Vastu-ated, to clear the way for a *proper* Vastu city 
> > to be built on its ruins.
> > 
> > We in the World Government are sorry, of course, about the 
> > minor inconvenience of millions of people being without 
> > homes while the reconstruction effort is taking place, but 
> > you can make an om-lette without breaking a few eggs, can
> > you?  Similarly, we are distressed at the loss of life.  It
> > is regrettable that so many died as Nature rearranged things.
> > To help make up for this loss, the World Government pledges
> > to give each of these returning souls a discount on learning
> > the TM program when they reincarnate.  The course fee for
> > such reincarnated souls will be $2000, or 1/3 of the current
> > course fee, whichever is higher.  It's the least we can do.
> > 
> > None of this was necessary.  If you had just listened to 
> > what we said and torn down all of your cities immediately
> > to make room for the incredibly more Nature-compliant Vastu 
> > replacements, Nature would not have been forced to make you
> > comply.  That it was is an expression of one of Maharishi's 
> > primary teachings, "Avoid the problem before it arises," 
> > which he has recently re-translated from the original Vedic
> > verses to read, "If you had just given us the money we asked 
> > for when we asked for it, you'd be high and dry now."
> > 
> > Providing Fortune-Creating Homes through the World Recon-
> > struction Program is just one of the undertakings of the 
> > Global Country of World Peace.  Just wait until we get into
> > the clothing business and you're asked to throw away every
> > item of clothing you own and buy an all-new Vedic-compliant 
> > wardrobe.  When that happens, remember Katrina and get out 
> > your credit cards.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Can't happen here" syndrome

2005-09-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > You don't read much on this group. The $250 million that was to 
> > be spent last year on strengthening New Orlean's levees was 
> > spent on the war in Iraq instead.
> 
> Yes, I read that (I believe it was Judy who posted the article).  
> Indeed, it only strengthens the argument that I am 
making...perhaps 
> private enterprise would have had their priorities right.

Not to get in the way of a private ShempJudyspat or
anything, but just to provide a little more background
on the subject, t'would seem that private enterprise
(in the form of a subject dear to the heart of TMers,
real estate developers) was at the *heart* of setting 
the priorities wrong. Warning to GWB TBs -- Bush-bashing 
ahead...


"No One Can Say they Didn't See it Coming"

By Sidney Blumenthal

In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New
Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in
the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans
flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the
Iraq war.

Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane
Katrina has left millions of Americans to scavenge for
food and shelter and hundreds to thousands reportedly
dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city
of New Orleans has become part of the Gulf of Mexico.
But the damage wrought by the hurricane may not
entirely be the result of an act of nature.

A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed
to study how New Orleans could be protected from a
catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration
ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a
flood killed six people in 1995, Congress created the
Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, in
which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and
renovated levees and pumping stations. In early 2001,
the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a
report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans
was one of the three most likely disasters in the
U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City.
But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control
project essentially dried up as it was drained into
the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut
funding requested by the New Orleans district of the
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for holding back the
waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent.
Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a
total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001)
forced the New Orleans district of the Corps to impose
a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds
for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.

The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the
hurricane published a series on the federal funding
problem, and whose presses are now underwater,
reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it
coming ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms
ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack
of preparation."

The Bush administration's policy of turning over
wetlands to developers almost certainly also
contributed to the heightened level of the storm
surge. In 1990, a federal task force began restoring
lost wetlands surrounding New Orleans. Every two miles
of wetland between the Crescent City and the Gulf
reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no
net loss" of wetlands, a policy launched by his
father's administration and bolstered by President
Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003,
unleashing the developers. The Army Corps of Engineers
and the Environmental Protection Agency then announced
they could no longer protect wetlands unless they were
somehow related to interstate commerce.

In response to this potential crisis, four leading
environmental groups conducted a joint expert study,
concluding in 2004 that without wetlands protection
New Orleans could be devastated by an ordinary, much
less a Category 4 or 5, hurricane. "There's no way to
describe how mindless a policy that is when it comes
to wetlands protection," said one of the report's
authors. The chairman of the White House's Council on
Environmental Quality dismissed the study as "highly
questionable," and boasted, "Everybody loves what
we're doing."

"My administration's climate change policy will be
science based," President Bush declared in June 2001.
But in 2002, when the Environmental Protection Agency
submitted a study on global warming to the United
Nations reflecting its expert research, Bush derided
it as "a report put out by a bureaucracy," and excised
the climate change assessment from the agency's annual
report. The next year, when the EPA issued its first
comprehensive "Report on the Environment," stating,
"Climate change has global consequences for human
health and the environment," the White House simply
demanded removal of the line and all similar
conclusions. At the G-8 meeting in Scotland this year,
Bush successfully sty

[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release (For Maharishi),Lovingly yours...'

2005-09-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> meditation is a technique for transcending thought, licking 
> Maharishi's feet or those of any of his flunkies is unhealthy cult 
> behaviour.

Forget the cult behavior...licking any feet except 
those of a supermodel just stepping out of the bathtub
is pretty darned unhealthy in itself...  :-)

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > God Bless Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 
> > For all the many foot-steps he took;
> > Out of the mountains of India;
> > Long ago, before we were even thought of.
> > God Bless John and Bevan, for being the symbols;
> > Of loyalty, to one's Master.
> > God Bless anyone who ever ran into, Mahesh;
> > The once little boy;
> > Who dreamt of a New World...
> > 
> > That he would help to create.
> > By mea intention, entangled with love;
> > 
> > For the Master, he gives all "Glory To".
> > Someone who;
> > 
> > We in the West can only ponder;
> > 
> > Someone who leaves home;
> > At the tender age of 11;
> > To seek a Master;
> > And went through quite a few;
> > Until he came upon; 
> > One who was "Peaceful".
> > 
> > And so, our Mahesh Yogi, of the Himalayas Mts.
> > We thank you God;
> > For creating one as beautiful;
> > As this one;
> > 
> > We lovingly call:
> > Maharishi.
> > 
> > Copyright 2005 Robert Gimbel
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > MAHARISHI'S MESSAGE TO THE WORLD PRESS - SEPTEMBER 1, 2005
> > > 
> > > Katrina 'Devastation' Seen as Golden 
> > > Opportunity for World Peace and Windfall 
> > > for Builders Invited to Participate in 
> > > Global Reconstruction Program
> > > 
> > > As previously announced, the World Government's Global 
> > > Reconstruction Program will raise the world's population 
> > > from problem-ridden life to problem-free life—life in 
> > > accord with Total Natural Law -- life in enlightenment, 
> > > perfect health, affluence, invincibility, and peace.
> > > 
> > > However, many cynics and problem-ridden people, attached 
> > > to their cultures and traditions and to the non-Vastu-
> > > friendly buildings in their countries, did not immediately 
> > > see the wisdom of tearing the whole lot of them down and 
> > > starting over with Vastu-correct buildings constructed by 
> > > TM front companies.
> > > 
> > > Enter Nature.  Hurricane Katrina should be viewed as the 
> > > response of the realm of Natural Law to the failure of the 
> > > world to immediately tear down all the old buildings and 
> > > reconstruct the world in accord with Natural Law and to do 
> > > it -- as we demanded in our initial Press Releases -- 
> > > simultaneously and quickly. "Time and tide wait for no one," 
> > > Maharishi said at that time.  The world didn't listen.
> > > 
> > > So the realm of Total Natural Law responded by 'devastating' 
> > > the first of many non-Vastu cities.  Just look at the word 
> > > 'devastate.'  Could the meaning be any clearer?  The city 
> > > of New Orleans was not Vastu-compliant; therefore it was 
> > > de-Vastu-ated, to clear the way for a *proper* Vastu city 
> > > to be built on its ruins.
> > > 
> > > We in the World Government are sorry, of course, about the 
> > > minor inconvenience of millions of people being without 
> > > homes while the reconstruction effort is taking place, but 
> > > you can make an om-lette without breaking a few eggs, can
> > > you?  Similarly, we are distressed at the loss of life.  It
> > > is regrettable that so many died as Nature rearranged things.
> > > To help make up for this loss, the World Government pledges
> > > to give each of these returning souls a discount on learning
> > > the TM program when they reincarnate.  The course fee for
> > > such reincarnated souls will be $2000, or 1/3 of the current
> > > course fee, whichever is higher.  It's the least we can do.
> > > 
> > > None of this was necessary.  If you had just listened to 
> > > what we said and torn down all of your cities immediately
> > > to make room for the incredibly more Nature-compliant Vastu 
> > > replacements, Nature would not have been forced to make you
> > > comply.  That it was is an expression of one of Maharishi's 
> > > primary teachings, "Avoid the problem before it arises," 
> > > which he has recently re-translated from the original Vedic
> > > verses to read, "If you had just given us the money we asked 
> > > for when we asked for it, you'd be high and dry now."
> > > 
> > > Providing Fortune-Creating Homes through the World Recon-
> > > struction Program is just one of the undertakings of the 
> > > Global Country of World Peace.  Just wait until we get into
> > > the clothing business and you're asked to throw away every
> > > item of clothing you own and buy an all-new Vedic-compliant 
> > > wardrobe.  When that happens, remember Katrina and get out 
> > > your credit cards.





--

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Can't happen here" syndrome

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > You don't read much on this group. The $250 million that was to 
> > > be spent last year on strengthening New Orlean's levees was 
> > > spent on the war in Iraq instead.
> > 
> > Yes, I read that (I believe it was Judy who posted the article).  
> > Indeed, it only strengthens the argument that I am 
> > making...perhaps private enterprise would have had their 
> > priorities right.
> 
> Not to get in the way of a private ShempJudyspat or
> anything,

Good, because this isn't one.

> but just to provide a little more background
> on the subject, t'would seem that private enterprise
> (in the form of a subject dear to the heart of TMers,
> real estate developers) was at the *heart* of setting 
> the priorities wrong.

Actually that isn't what the article you quote
says at all.  What is says is that Bush's favors
to real estate developers "almost certainly
contributed" to the storm surge.

Aside from Bush's general lack of interest in
prudent domestic policy and its disregard for
science, "at the *heart* of setting the
priorities wrong" was the perceived necessity
of funding the Iraq war.




 Warning to GWB TBs -- Bush-bashing 
> ahead...
> 
> 
> "No One Can Say they Didn't See it Coming"
> 
> By Sidney Blumenthal
> 
> In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New
> Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in
> the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans
> flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the
> Iraq war.
> 
> Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane
> Katrina has left millions of Americans to scavenge for
> food and shelter and hundreds to thousands reportedly
> dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city
> of New Orleans has become part of the Gulf of Mexico.
> But the damage wrought by the hurricane may not
> entirely be the result of an act of nature.
> 
> A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed
> to study how New Orleans could be protected from a
> catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration
> ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a
> flood killed six people in 1995, Congress created the
> Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, in
> which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and
> renovated levees and pumping stations. In early 2001,
> the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a
> report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans
> was one of the three most likely disasters in the
> U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City.
> But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control
> project essentially dried up as it was drained into
> the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut
> funding requested by the New Orleans district of the
> U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for holding back the
> waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent.
> Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a
> total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001)
> forced the New Orleans district of the Corps to impose
> a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds
> for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.
> 
> The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the
> hurricane published a series on the federal funding
> problem, and whose presses are now underwater,
> reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it
> coming ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms
> ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack
> of preparation."
> 
> The Bush administration's policy of turning over
> wetlands to developers almost certainly also
> contributed to the heightened level of the storm
> surge. In 1990, a federal task force began restoring
> lost wetlands surrounding New Orleans. Every two miles
> of wetland between the Crescent City and the Gulf
> reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no
> net loss" of wetlands, a policy launched by his
> father's administration and bolstered by President
> Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003,
> unleashing the developers. The Army Corps of Engineers
> and the Environmental Protection Agency then announced
> they could no longer protect wetlands unless they were
> somehow related to interstate commerce.
> 
> In response to this potential crisis, four leading
> environmental groups conducted a joint expert study,
> concluding in 2004 that without wetlands protection
> New Orleans could be devastated by an ordinary, much
> less a Category 4 or 5, hurricane. "There's no way to
> describe how mindless a policy that is when it comes
> to wetlands protection," said one of the report's
> authors. The chairman of the White House's Council on
> Environmental Quality dismissed the study as "highly
> questionable," and boasted, "Everybody loves what
> we're doing."
> 
> "My 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone considered the possibility that the 
> Capitol Hill Blue article is onto something and
> that the pretense of Bush's "aloofness" is just
> that?  And that the real truth is that he's so
> uncontrollable that his handlers don't dare let
> him out in public except for carefully staged 
> and choreographed events with a preselected 
> audience?

He did an interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer this
morning, at which she asked some pretty tough
questions.  If he were so "uncontrollable," they
would be highly unlikely to subject him to such
interviews.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Can't happen here" syndrome

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > The tour guide mentioned that, statistically, overspill would 
> > > happen only once every 100 years!
> > > 
> > > Yet the company spent hundreds of millions of dollars to plan 
> > > for something that the builders would, statistically, not even 
> > > see in their own lifetime, not ever see the practical benefit 
> > > of.
> > > 
> > > This type of planning happened with private enterprise (note 
> > > that Bechtel built the dam, please!) Perhaps there is a 
> > > disconnect between this type of planning in private enterprise 
> > > and public policy enterprises...

Key word: "Statistically."  That something happens
*statistically* only once in 100 years does not mean
that once-per-100-years isn't going to occur tomorrow.

And if it did, Bechtel would be responsible.

> > You don't read much on this group. The $250 million that was to
> > be spent last year on strengthening New Orlean's levees was spent 
> > on the war in Iraq instead.
> 
> Yes, I read that (I believe it was Judy who posted the article).  
> Indeed, it only strengthens the argument that I am making...perhaps 
> private enterprise would have had their priorities right.

Only to the extent that private enterprise perceived
doing the right thing to be to its own benefit.

Which is what motivates amoral politicians and public
officials like those in the Bush administration as well,
of course.  There isn't that much of a choice in that
regard.  It doesn't appear to have been private
enterprise that was urging the administration to increase
funding for New Orleans flood prevention.

After all, there were *huge* profits to be made on the
Iraq war.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Can't happen here" syndrome

2005-09-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > You don't read much on this group. The $250 million that was 
to 
> > > > be spent last year on strengthening New Orlean's levees was 
> > > > spent on the war in Iraq instead.
> > > 
> > > Yes, I read that (I believe it was Judy who posted the 
> > > article).  
> > > Indeed, it only strengthens the argument that I am 
> > > making...perhaps private enterprise would have had their 
> > > priorities right.
> > 
> > Not to get in the way of a private ShempJudyspat or
> > anything,
> 
> Good, because this isn't one.
> 
> > but just to provide a little more background
> > on the subject, t'would seem that private enterprise
> > (in the form of a subject dear to the heart of TMers,
> > real estate developers) was at the *heart* of setting 
> > the priorities wrong.
> 
> Actually that isn't what the article you quote
> says at all.  What is says is that Bush's favors
> to real estate developers "almost certainly
> contributed" to the storm surge.
> 
> Aside from Bush's general lack of interest in
> prudent domestic policy and its disregard for
> science, "at the *heart* of setting the
> priorities wrong" was the perceived necessity
> of funding the Iraq war.

Wasn't talking to you, actually.  But I understand
if you feel the need to focus attention on your self, 
and am down with compassion for that, so it's Ok.  
Here are a few more quotes on seriousness for that
self to ponder.  :-)

Unc

"Seriousness is the only refuge of the shallow." -- Oscar Wilde

"Anyone who takes himself too seriously always runs the risk 
of looking ridiculous; anyone who can consistently laugh at 
himself does not." -- Vaclav Havel 

"Man is most nearly himself when he achieves the seriousness 
of a child at play." -- Heraclitus

"Seriousness is stupidity sent to college." -- P. J. O'Rourke

"It is not so important to be serious as it is to be serious 
about the important things. The monkey wears an expression of 
seriousness which would do credit to any college student, but 
the monkey is serious because he itches." -- Robert M. Hutchins






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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Can't happen here" syndrome

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:

> > > but just to provide a little more background
> > > on the subject, t'would seem that private enterprise
> > > (in the form of a subject dear to the heart of TMers,
> > > real estate developers) was at the *heart* of setting 
> > > the priorities wrong.
> > 
> > Actually that isn't what the article you quote
> > says at all.  What is says is that Bush's favors
> > to real estate developers "almost certainly
> > contributed" to the storm surge.
> > 
> > Aside from Bush's general lack of interest in
> > prudent domestic policy and its disregard for
> > science, "at the *heart* of setting the
> > priorities wrong" was the perceived necessity
> > of funding the Iraq war.
> 
> Wasn't talking to you, actually.

Oh, that's OK.  I was just pointing out that
you misrepresented what the article you quoted
says.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Has anyone considered the possibility that the 
> > Capitol Hill Blue article is onto something and
> > that the pretense of Bush's "aloofness" is just
> > that?  And that the real truth is that he's so
> > uncontrollable that his handlers don't dare let
> > him out in public except for carefully staged 
> > and choreographed events with a preselected 
> > audience?
> 
> He did an interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer this
> morning, at which she asked some pretty tough
> questions.  If he were so "uncontrollable," they
> would be highly unlikely to subject him to such
> interviews.

Putting any individual president aside for a moment, can you imagine the 
amperage that 
must flow through the president, simply by virtue of the office? All those 
people reporting 
to you. All the decisions. The pressures and responsibilities. The unending 
calculations.

All that stuff Maharishi said about the head of state mirroring the people 
makes sense to 
me. Imagine being a conduit for the energies of this crazy nation!

Reagan got around it by delegating and napping. Bush 41 managed it by being a 
good 
manager. Clinton thrived on it, being who he is. As for Bush 43 (to get back at 
digging at 
W), I don't see the innate resources that would help him cope.

 - Patrick Gillam






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Putting any individual president aside for a moment, can you 
> imagine the amperage that must flow through the president, 
> simply by virtue of the office? All those people reporting 
> to you. All the decisions. The pressures and responsibilities. 
> The unending calculations.
> 
> All that stuff Maharishi said about the head of state mirroring 
> the people makes sense to me. Imagine being a conduit for the 
> energies of this crazy nation!
> 
> Reagan got around it by delegating and napping. 

I once read an article written by a fellow who had 
worked closely with several Presidents, who commented
that Reagan was the only one who he had not seen "age"
considerably while in office (meaning that he had seen
most Presidents "put on" about ten years in physical
appearance of age during each four-year term).  Even
though he actually liked Reagan, his rationale for why
this was true was clear.  He felt that none of this 
pressure ever got to Reagan because he didn't really
understand that any of it was real.  He was brought
up in an environment (the movies) where when people
got shot, they all got to stand up again and be fine
once the director yelled, "Cut."

> Bush 41 managed it by being a good manager. Clinton thrived 
> on it, being who he is. As for Bush 43 (to get back at digging 
> at W), I don't see the innate resources that would help him cope.

He gave them (alcohol, cocaine, and other drugs) up 
some time ago, and replaced them with religion.  It
doesn't seem to be doing as good a job for him as 
the other crutches did.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread sallysunshine01
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I once read an article written by a fellow who had 
> worked closely with several Presidents, who commented
> that Reagan was the only one who he had not seen "age"
> considerably while in office (meaning that he had seen
> most Presidents "put on" about ten years in physical
> appearance of age during each four-year term).

Then he must not have looked very closely.  Reagan's descent into
Alzheimer's was 
apparently very clear to those who worked with him.

Even
> though he actually liked Reagan, his rationale for why
> this was true was clear.  He felt that none of this 
> pressure ever got to Reagan because he didn't really
> understand that any of it was real.  He was brought
> up in an environment (the movies) where when people
> got shot, they all got to stand up again and be fine
> once the director yelled, "Cut."
> 
That's nonsense.  Reagan wasn't "brought up" in the movies, he was
raised in a small town 
in Illinois and became a radio announcer there in college.  Even
after he got into the 
movies, in his late 20s, he didn't act much as he was more interested
in the political 
aspects of the industry.  

Sal




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans -- Due to Sin!

2005-09-01 Thread markmeredith2002
"Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God
destroyed a wicked city," stated Repent America director Michael
Marcavage. "From 'Girls Gone Wild' to 'Southern Decadence,' New
Orleans was a city that had its doors wide open to the public
celebration of sin. From the devastation may a city full of
righteousness emerge," he continued.

"We must help and pray for those ravaged by this disaster, but let us
not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and welcomed the
wickedness in their city for so long," Marcavage said. "May this act
of God cause us all to think about what we tolerate in our city
limits, and bring us trembling before the throne of Almighty God,"
Marcavage concluded.

"[God] sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." (Matthew 5:45) 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sallysunshine01" 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > I once read an article written by a fellow who had 
> > worked closely with several Presidents, who commented
> > that Reagan was the only one who he had not seen "age"
> > considerably while in office (meaning that he had seen
> > most Presidents "put on" about ten years in physical
> > appearance of age during each four-year term).
> 
> Then he must not have looked very closely.  Reagan's descent into
> Alzheimer's was apparently very clear to those who worked with him.

Agreed, but this gentleman was talking about physical
signs of aging, not mental ones.  He gave the example
of seeing Presidents' hair turn from black to gray 
over the course of one term, develop "worry lines" in 
the face, develop stooped shoulders, that sort of thing.

And although what you say is true, the article in ques-
tion was written at the end of the first Reagan term,
before anyone really noticed the mental deterioration. 







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread Vaj



On 9/1/05 9:58 AM, "sallysunshine01" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Then he must not have looked very closely.  Reagan's descent into
> Alzheimer's was 
> apparently very clear to those who worked with him.

In this respect it's interesting to see the Neo-Cons and Archaeo-Cons both
boost Reagan as their poster boy. It really tells you a lot: 'we like 'em
big and dumb -- must be able to act the part. Must be good at picking a
cabinet, as it is their decisions that will be running the country! They and
the corporations of course.'

Having watched my own grandfather slowly disappear via senile dementia and
eventually Alzheimer's, it was a lot easier to see that we were being lead
by a charismatic dullard who was lucky to have a wife who was really into
astrology. ;-)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans -- Due to Sin!

2005-09-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God
> destroyed a wicked city," stated Repent America director Michael
> Marcavage. "From 'Girls Gone Wild' to 'Southern Decadence,' New
> Orleans was a city that had its doors wide open to the public
> celebration of sin. From the devastation may a city full of
> righteousness emerge," he continued.
> 
> "We must help and pray for those ravaged by this disaster, but let
> us not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and 
> welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long," Marcavage 
> said. "May this act of God cause us all to think about what we 
> tolerate in our city limits, and bring us trembling before the 
> throne of Almighty God," Marcavage concluded.
> 
> "[God] sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." (Matthew 5:45) 
> 
> http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html

San Francisco and Boston are next -- all those gay
marriages.

And let's not forget the Scorpion Nation...







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/31/05 10:45:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I didn't 
  count, but it looked to me like about halfof those who commented were 
  upset with Bush'sbehavior; another half were trying to defend 
  him.

Just sounds like balanced reporting to me. Give half your 
column to one point of view and the other to the other point of 
view.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/31/05 10:46:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Except I 
  didn't say either.  Maybe it's you who needsto do some better 
  fact-checking.

One of your earlier post you did say that or at least very 
strongly imply that. As I recall you even repeated your self concerning those 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Pres.Bush- To Poor of New Orleans: "Let Them Eat Cake?"

2005-09-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/1/05 12:40:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  President Bush 
  could have acted faster;
   
  As well as the 
  federal government;
   
  To save the 
  drowning poor of the South.
   
  It's time to 
  hold someone in government responsible;
   
  For 
  dysfunctional governing.
   
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  Seattle,WA. USA

I did hear that the Red Cross is handing out 
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[FairfieldLife] 'Stranded in New Orleans/ "Shock&Awe"/No Compassion?"

2005-09-01 Thread Robert Gimbel




People are beginning to wander, and wonder;
 
On the streets of New Orleans;
 
Does my President care, about me;
 
And my friends and neighbors?
 
We are lost and thirsty, for a drink of water;
 
Would taste so good;
 
My grandma, she's dieing, I hope not, though.
 
We sent planes and stuff to Iraq, seems real quick;
 
But when it comes time to help us po folk.
 
Well, maybe that be another story?
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 8/31/05 10:46:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > Except I  didn't say either.  Maybe it's you who needs
> > to do some better fact-checking.
> 
> One of your earlier post you did say that or at least very 
> strongly imply that. As I recall you even repeated your self 
> concerning those accusations.

Now you've done it.  :-)

Get set for about 20 back-and-forth nitpickposts...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why No Rubber Rafts for Rescue...'

2005-09-01 Thread MDixon6569






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And up 
  to 28 feet deep. BTW, seeing how the average elevation of NO is 6 feet 
  below sea level, how could the water only be waist 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 8/31/05 10:45:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> I didn't  count, but it looked to me like about half
> of those who commented were  upset with Bush's
> behavior; another half were trying to defend  him.
> 
> Just sounds like balanced reporting to me. Give half your
> column to one point of view and the other to the other point
> of  view.

Pay attention, please.  This wasn't a "column," it was
a conservative group blog.

The point being, of course, that some of Bush's greatest
fans are upset by his recent behavior.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
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>  
> In a message dated 8/31/05 10:46:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Except I  didn't say either.  Maybe it's you who needs
> to do some better  fact-checking.
> 
> One of your earlier post you did say that or at least very  strongly 
> imply that. As I recall you even repeated your self concerning 
> those  accusations.

You'll have to cite the posts.  Clearly you
misunderstood.





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[FairfieldLife] Katrina disaster updates

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
-- The evacuation from the Super Dome in New Orleans
to the Astrodome in Houston has been halted because
helicopters are being shot at and fires being set
around the dome to keep the buses from reaching it.

100 troops (National Guard, probably) are being sent
to get the disturbancs around the dome under control.
"We need a thousand," observed an EMS worker who was
in the thick of things.

-- Adding to the chaos, the area is swarming with 
refugees from other areas who heard about the bus
convoy to Houston, but did not hear that only the
Super Dome residents were being evacuated for the
time being.  Nobody is telling the refugees anything;
they have to depend on picking up rumors.

-- Two Louisiana state senators, on their own
initiative, got hold of two buses and sent them to
the Super Dome to evacuate people who were ill to
Baton Rouge.  But the buses were commandeered by
Southern Bell to transport some of its workers
out of the area, claiming they took priority over
the sick people.  Some of the sick people were put
on the buses anyway, but they had to sit in the
aisles.  (This from Fox News, which is really doing
yeoman work in this crisis--vastly better than CNN.)

-- On ABC this morning, President Bush said, "Nobody
could have anticipated that the levees [in New
Orleans] would be breached."

-- Teams of Canadian medical and other aid workers
on their way to the Gulf Coast to help out have been
stopped at the border and not allowed to enter the
United States.

-- Homeland Security Secretary Alan Cheroff held a
press conference this morning to announce that
September is National Preparedness Month.

You can't make this stuff up.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ "Shock&Awe"/No Compassion?"

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> People are beginning to wander, and wonder;
> On the streets of New Orleans;
> Does my President care, about me;
> And my friends and neighbors?
> We are lost and thirsty, for a drink of water;
> Would taste so good;
> My grandma, she's dieing, I hope not, though.
> We sent planes and stuff to Iraq, seems real quick;
> But when it comes time to help us po folk.
> Well, maybe that be another story?
>  
> Copyright  2005 Robert Gimbel

That's a good one, Robert.  Nicely done.

It's not just in New Orleans.  Apparently the poor
folks who were unable to evacuate from some of the
other devastated areas--especially Mississippi--are
infuriated because there was no plan to help them
get away.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why No Rubber Rafts for Rescue...'

2005-09-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/1/05 12:43:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And up 
  to 28 feet deep. BTW, seeing how the average elevation of NO is 6 feet 
  below sea level, how could the water only be waist 
deep?

If a bowl holds a potential of two quarts, is it 
possible  for it to hold less than two quarts? I believe many of the 
residential areas that you see flooded are flooded up to or just below the roofs 
of one story homes. Obviously that is over waist deep. However, that appears to 
be the deepest and the rest of the city looks as if one could easily wade 
through the water. Tossing out little rubber cushions or rafts  to people 
stuck on roofs could be far more dangerous than picking them up by helicopter 
from a dry roof tops. I would think the last thing you would want to do is 
encourage people to swim for it in that kind of 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/1/05 1:04:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Has 
  anyone considered the possibility that the Capitol Hill Blue article is 
  onto something andthat the pretense of Bush's "aloofness" is 
  justthat?  And that the real truth is that he's souncontrollable 
  that his handlers don't dare lethim out in public except for carefully 
  staged and choreographed events with a preselected audience?  
  Given some of his on-the-recordoutbursts like the one in South America 
  wherehe refused to attend a meeting of world leadersuntil everyone was 
  frisked for weapons, and thenwhen the hosting country refused, skipped 
  themeeting entirely, it IS a possibility.

Hahahahahahahahahaahah!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> -- On ABC this morning, President Bush said, "Nobody
> could have anticipated that the levees [in New
> Orleans] would be breached."

Correction: His exact words were, "I don't think anyone
anticipated the breach of the levees."

Unbelievable.

Just as a reminder, the breach of the levees
and subsequent flooding in New Orleans was one
of the top three "likeliest, most catastrophic
disasters facing this country," according to
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Yogiji/Offering of Vastu Housing/In New Or...

2005-09-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/1/05 1:38:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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Yeah, 
  wasn't that scene in "Easy Rider" where Fonda and Hopper do acid in a 
  graveyard in New Orleans?

That's the one!





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[FairfieldLife] Fwd: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ "Shock&Awe"/No Compassion?"

2005-09-01 Thread Robert Gimbel



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People are beginning to wander, and wonder;
 
On the streets of New Orleans;
 
Does my President care, about me;
 
And my friends and neighbors?
 
We are lost and thirsty, for a drink of water;
 
Would taste so good;
 
My grandma, she's dieing, I hope not, though.
 
We sent planes and stuff to Iraq, seems real quick;
 
But when it comes time to help us po folk.
 
Well, maybe that be another story?
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Can't happen here" syndrome

2005-09-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/1/05 6:51:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In 2001, 
  FEMA warned that a hurricane striking NewOrleans was one of the three most 
  likely disasters inthe U.S. But the Bush administration cut New 
  Orleansflood control funding by 44 percent to pay for theIraq 
  war.

Ahem, what kept the city of New Orleans and the State of 
Louisiana from shoring up their own levee problem? Was it finances? Or was it 
something else. If it was finances, the city or the state could have easily 
passed a Hotel and car rental tax to finance such infrastructure changes and 
have the tourist pay for it. Lack of federal funding is a cop out. I've heard 
there were more logistical reasons for not building the levees to be able to 
withstand more than a category three hurricane. The decisions were local, not 
federal.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans -- Due to Sin!

2005-09-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/1/05 9:23:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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San 
  Francisco and Boston are next -- all those 
gaymarriages.

Throw in Vegas, Reno, Atlantic City and some Indian 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > Has anyone considered the possibility that the 
> > Capitol Hill Blue article is onto something and
> > that the pretense of Bush's "aloofness" is just
> > that?  And that the real truth is that he's so
> > uncontrollable that his handlers don't dare let
> > him out in public except for carefully staged 
> > and choreographed events with a preselected 
> > audience?
> 
> He did an interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer this
> morning, at which she asked some pretty tough
> questions.  If he were so "uncontrollable," they
> would be highly unlikely to subject him to such
> interviews.

I'll bet a dollar that he saw those questions in advance. The Boy King 
has very astute handlers around him, controlling his image to the max. 
In this case, an administration apologist was chosen for the 'tough' 
interview. If it had been someone outside the corporate media (dream 
on) I would've taken it seriously. 

What I saw in the man's eyes during the 15000 foot fly-by in Air Force 
One and the subsequent news conference was fear, terror, and anger. 
After all, he can't start a war with nature in response to this. Or, 
put another way, he already has, and this is the result.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/1/05 9:35:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
  Except I  didn't say either.  Maybe it's you who needs> > 
  to do some better fact-checking.> > One of your earlier post you 
  did say that or at least very > strongly imply that. As I recall you 
  even repeated your self > concerning those accusations.Now 
  you've done it.  :-)Get set for about 20 back-and-forth 
  nitpickposts...

Heheheheehe! I promise not to get into that. I think Judy was 
quoting columns. But she most likely wouldn't quoted them had she not agreed 
with them. I'll let the record stand for it's 
self.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: '4 Dead In Ohio'/1,000's Dead In New Orleans/And Iraq'

2005-09-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A long time ago;
>  
> A song came out;
>  
> By Crosby, Stills and Nash;
>  
> Back in the Sixties.
>  
> The song was about;
>  
> The aweful killing of four Ohio State students;
>  
> On their campus;
>  
> They were killed by National Guard Troops;
>  
> Who were edgy that terrible day;
>  
> And shot dead four young students, that day...
>  
> Now, we have another Republican President;
>  
> And last week;
>  
> I saw Mr. Steven Stills;
>  
> On one of the news shows;
>  
> And he said of President Bush:
>  
> "That Chimp in the White House".
>  
> I thought that was rude and disrespectful;
>  
> Of our President.
>  
> R.Gimbel  Seattle,WA.  USA


 
Why? Did he not offer him a banana?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: '4 Dead In Ohio'/1,000's Dead In New Orleans/And Iraq'

2005-09-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > A long time ago;
> >  
> > A song came out;
> >  
> > By Crosby, Stills and Nash;
> >  
> > Back in the Sixties.
> >  
> > The song was about;
> >  
> > The aweful killing of four Ohio State students;
> >  
> > On their campus;
> >  
> > They were killed by National Guard Troops;
> >  
> > Who were edgy that terrible day;
> >  
> > And shot dead four young students, that day...
> >  
> > Now, we have another Republican President;
> >  
> > And last week;
> >  
> > I saw Mr. Steven Stills;
> >  
> > On one of the news shows;
> >  
> > And he said of President Bush:
> >  
> > "That Chimp in the White House".
> >  
> > I thought that was rude and disrespectful;
> >  
> > Of our President.

I think it's pretty damned disrespectful to chimps.

http://www.bushorchimp.com/

Go through both sets of photos -- Pics 1 and 2 -- and
you tell me...who do you think looks more intelligent 
in these side-by-side photos?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Can't happen here" syndrome

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 9/1/05 6:51:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> In 2001,  FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New
> Orleans was one of the three most  likely disasters in
> the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New  Orleans
> flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the
> Iraq  war.
> 
> Ahem, what kept the city of New Orleans and the State of  Louisiana 
> from shoring up their own levee problem? Was it finances? Or was 
> it  something else. If it was finances, the city or the state could 
> have easily  passed a Hotel and car rental tax to finance such 
> infrastructure changes and  have the tourist pay for it. Lack of 
> federal funding is a cop out. I've heard  there were more 
> logistical reasons for not building the levees to be able to  
> withstand more than a category three hurricane. The decisions were 
> local, not  federal.

Your sources are telling you what you want to hear
again.

The levees are an Army Corps of Engineers project.

Saw someone from the Corps interviewed on ABC two
nights ago on its disaster special.

Asked why the levees weren't built to handle over
a category 3, he responded that the Corps had done
a careful cost-benefit analysis before making the
decision.

Asked whether, in light of the disaster and what
it is going to cost the U.S. economy, there might
have been some flaws in that analysis, he said
they were going to have to go back and have another
look at it.

(Amazingly, before the follow-up question was asked,
the guy's tone as he explanated about the cost-benefit
analysis was smugly confident, as if he expected that
would be all he'd need to say.)

According to an article in the April Popular
Mechanics, however, the Corps had been considering
revamping the whole levee system to make it 
resistant to a category 5 hurricane, so it looks
as though they were already rethinking the earlier
decision.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > Has anyone considered the possibility that the 
> > > Capitol Hill Blue article is onto something and
> > > that the pretense of Bush's "aloofness" is just
> > > that?  And that the real truth is that he's so
> > > uncontrollable that his handlers don't dare let
> > > him out in public except for carefully staged 
> > > and choreographed events with a preselected 
> > > audience?
> > 
> > He did an interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer this
> > morning, at which she asked some pretty tough
> > questions.  If he were so "uncontrollable," they
> > would be highly unlikely to subject him to such
> > interviews.
> 
> I'll bet a dollar that he saw those questions in advance. 

I'd bet a great deal more than that.

> The Boy King has very astute handlers around him, controlling 
> his image to the max. In this case, an administration apologist 
> was chosen for the 'tough' interview. If it had been someone 
> outside the corporate media (dream on) I would've taken it 
> seriously. 
> 
> What I saw in the man's eyes during the 15000 foot fly-by in 
> Air Force One and the subsequent news conference was fear, 
> terror, and anger. 

The "fly-by" adds credence to the "uncontrollable" theory,
in my opinion.  It is nothing less than political suicide
for an American President to not show up "on the ground"
at a large natural disaster in his country.  Clinton would
have been there the next day, helping to sling sandbags.
And what does Bush do?  He flies over the largest such
natural disaster in US history and looks down from the air?  
I'm sorry, but somebody's afraid to let him near reporters 
who might ask embarrassing questions, and cameras that 
might record his inability to deal with them.

> After all, he can't start a war with nature in response to 
> this. Or, put another way, he already has, and this is the 
> result.

Well said.  Terror at being found out.

I hope the man is having the Mother Of All Nightmares
these days, and wakes screaming from them every night.  






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/1/05 9:37:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Pay 
  attention, please.  This wasn't a "column," it wasa conservative 
  group blog.The point being, of course, that some of Bush's 
  greatestfans are upset by his recent behavior.

Whether it's a blog or a column doesn't matter. I will 
agree that Bush has taken some criticism from conservative writers that think he 
should have "given the appearance" in order to deflect critics. But most of that 
criticism was not for what he has done in relation to putting into action 
relief efforts, but what he didn't do to silence his critics who are going 
to criticize him for ANYTHING he does. Quite frankly, I hope he has learned to 
tune the constant whiners out.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Can't happen here" syndrome

2005-09-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 9/1/05 6:51:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> In 2001,  FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New
> Orleans was one of the three most  likely disasters in
> the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New  Orleans
> flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the
> Iraq  war.
> 
> 
> 
> Ahem, what kept the city of New Orleans and the State of  
Louisiana from 
> shoring up their own levee problem? Was it finances? Or was it  
something else. If 
> it was finances, the city or the state could have easily  passed a 
Hotel and 
> car rental tax to finance such infrastructure changes and  have 
the tourist 
> pay for it. Lack of federal funding is a cop out. 

No, it really isn't. Not when every working person in this country 
contributes about 30 cents of *every* dollar earned to the feds. 
Those folks are awash in money, and have borrowed incredible amounts 
more. Staggering amounts of money flowing to them; over 6.6 billion 
per day, every day.

And now, after sending huge amounts of it overseas to secure 
additional oil resources while relentlessly cutting funding to every 
domestic program, we are once again asked to 'be generous', 'open 
our pockets', etc, etc.

The cop out is by the feds. 100%. How much are you planning to send 
to this relief effort once old Bush and Clinton make yet another 
tired appeal for your dollars, at the behest of young Bush?  

I've heard  there were more 
> logistical reasons for not building the levees to be able to  
withstand more 
> than a category three hurricane. The decisions were local, not  
federal.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 I hope the man is having the Mother Of All Nightmares
> these days, and wakes screaming from them every night.

Amen to that.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates

2005-09-01 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Correction: His exact words were, "I don't think anyone
> anticipated the breach of the levees."
> 
> Unbelievable.
> 
> Just as a reminder, the breach of the levees
> and subsequent flooding in New Orleans was one
> of the top three "likeliest, most catastrophic
> disasters facing this country," according to
> FEMA.

Reminds me of Condoleezza Rice saying nobody 
expected terrorists to fly planes into buildings, 
despite intelligence projecting just that possibility.

Contrast that FEMA evaluation with this, from today's 
New York Times:

"The present levees are designed to withstand a 
Category 3 hurricane; Hurricane Katrina was 
Category 4, one short of the highest category."

It was projected at Category 5 going in. The media 
were reporting that the levees would not hold well 
before the storm hit. Too bad the people who relay 
the news to the president didn't pick that up.

And I believe we've already discussed where the money 
went that was supposed to raise the levees' strength.

Also in the Times today, columnist David L. Brooks 
recounts the political blowback from past floods, going 
back to the Johnstown flood. You can be the recriminations 
will fly this time, too.

www.nytimes.com

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > Has anyone considered the possibility that the 
> > > Capitol Hill Blue article is onto something and
> > > that the pretense of Bush's "aloofness" is just
> > > that?  And that the real truth is that he's so
> > > uncontrollable that his handlers don't dare let
> > > him out in public except for carefully staged 
> > > and choreographed events with a preselected 
> > > audience?
> > 
> > He did an interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer this
> > morning, at which she asked some pretty tough
> > questions.  If he were so "uncontrollable," they
> > would be highly unlikely to subject him to such
> > interviews.
> 
> I'll bet a dollar that he saw those questions in advance. The Boy
> King has very astute handlers around him, controlling his image to 
> the max. In this case, an administration apologist was chosen for 
> the 'tough' interview. If it had been someone outside the corporate 
> media (dream on) I would've taken it seriously.

Sawyer is certainly part of the corporate media,
but she isn't an administration apologist by any
means.

And given his stupefyingly absurd response to one
of her questions--that he didn't think anybody had
anticipated the levees being breached--if they saw
the questions in advance, they did an amazingly
poor job of preparing him.

> What I saw in the man's eyes during the 15000 foot fly-by in Air 
> Force One and the subsequent news conference was fear, terror, and 
> anger. After all, he can't start a war with nature in response to 
> this. Or, put another way, he already has, and this is the result.

Good point.  He's in WAY over his head (an
inappropriate metaphor, I guess, under the
circumstances).





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[FairfieldLife] Re: '4 Dead In Ohio'/1,000's Dead In New Orleans/And Iraq'

2005-09-01 Thread ffia1120
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> A long time ago;
>  
> A song came out;
>  
> By Crosby, Stills and Nash;
>  
> Back in the Sixties.
>  
> The song was about;
>  
> The aweful killing of four Ohio State students;

--
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/1/05 9:38:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> In 
  a message dated 8/31/05 10:46:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  > 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> > Except I  didn't say either.  
  Maybe it's you who needs> to do some better  
  fact-checking.> > One of your earlier post you did say that or 
  at least very  strongly > imply that. As I recall you even 
  repeated your self concerning > those  accusations.You'll 
  have to cite the posts.  Clearly 
youmisunderstood.

I  don't have the post number. It is dated 8/31/05 
11:50:18 AM Central Daylight time. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just for starters  
take global warming seriously. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: '4 Dead In Ohio'/1,000's Dead In New Orleans/And Iraq'

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A long time ago;
>  
> A song came out;
>  
> By Crosby, Stills and Nash;
>  
> Back in the Sixties.
>  
> The song was about;
>  
> The aweful killing of four Ohio State students;
>  
> On their campus;
>  
> They were killed by National Guard Troops;
>  
> Who were edgy that terrible day;
>  
> And shot dead four young students, that day...
>  
> Now, we have another Republican President;
>  
> And last week;
>  
> I saw Mr. Steven Stills;
>  
> On one of the news shows;
>  
> And he said of President Bush:
>  
> "That Chimp in the White House".
>  
> I thought that was rude and disrespectful;
>  
> Of our President.




And yet

You mention that little fact

Immediately after

You remind us

That another Republican president

Oversaw the killing of

Four Ohio State students


Oh, how rude.


>  
> R.Gimbel  Seattle,WA.  USA
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The press release many of us suspect is coming

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
What's frightening is that I read the first four paragraphs before I 
realized it was satire (and very, very good satire at that, 
Unc!)...it was only the discussion of the word "devastate" that 
tipped me off because we had had that discussion here.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> MAHARISHI'S MESSAGE TO THE WORLD PRESS - SEPTEMBER 1, 2005
> 
> Katrina 'Devastation' Seen as Golden 
> Opportunity for World Peace and Windfall 
> for Builders Invited to Participate in 
> Global Reconstruction Program
> 
> As previously announced, the World Government's Global 
> Reconstruction Program will raise the world's population 
> from problem-ridden life to problem-free life—life in 
> accord with Total Natural Law -- life in enlightenment, 
> perfect health, affluence, invincibility, and peace.
> 
> However, many cynics and problem-ridden people, attached 
> to their cultures and traditions and to the non-Vastu-
> friendly buildings in their countries, did not immediately 
> see the wisdom of tearing the whole lot of them down and 
> starting over with Vastu-correct buildings constructed by 
> TM front companies.
> 
> Enter Nature.  Hurricane Katrina should be viewed as the 
> response of the realm of Natural Law to the failure of the 
> world to immediately tear down all the old buildings and 
> reconstruct the world in accord with Natural Law and to do 
> it -- as we demanded in our initial Press Releases -- 
imultaneously and quickly. "Time and tide wait for no one," 
> Maharishi said at that time.  The world didn't listen.
> 
> So the realm of Total Natural Law responded by 'devastating' 
> the first of many non-Vastu cities.  Just look at the word 
> 'devastate.'  Could the meaning be any clearer?  The city 
> of New Orleans was not Vastu-compliant; therefore it was 
> de-Vastu-ated, to clear the way for a *proper* Vastu city 
> to be built on its ruins.
> 
> We in the World Government are sorry, of course, about the 
> minor inconvenience of millions of people being without 
> homes while the reconstruction effort is taking place, but 
> you can make an om-lette without breaking a few eggs, can
> you?  Similarly, we are distressed at the loss of life.  It
> is regrettable that so many died as Nature rearranged things.
> To help make up for this loss, the World Government pledges
> to give each of these returning souls a discount on learning
> the TM program when they reincarnate.  The course fee for
> such reincarnated souls will be $2000, or 1/3 of the current
> course fee, whichever is higher.  It's the least we can do.
> 
> None of this was necessary.  If you had just listened to 
> what we said and torn down all of your cities immediately
> to make room for the incredibly more Nature-compliant Vastu 
> replacements, Nature would not have been forced to make you
> comply.  That it was is an expression of one of Maharishi's 
> primary teachings, "Avoid the problem before it arises," 
> which he has recently re-translated from the original Vedic
> verses to read, "If you had just given us the money we asked 
> for when we asked for it, you'd be high and dry now."
> 
> Providing Fortune-Creating Homes through the World Recon-
> struction Program is just one of the undertakings of the 
> Global Country of World Peace.  Just wait until we get into
> the clothing business and you're asked to throw away every
> item of clothing you own and buy an all-new Vedic-compliant 
> wardrobe.  When that happens, remember Katrina and get out 
> your credit cards.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 9/1/05 9:35:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> >  Except I  didn't say either.  Maybe it's you who needs
> > >  to do some better fact-checking.
> > 
> > One of your earlier post you  did say that or at least very 
> > strongly imply that. As I recall you  even repeated your self 
> > concerning those accusations.
> 
> Now  you've done it.  :-)
> 
> Get set for about 20 back-and-forth  nitpickposts...
> 
> Heheheheehe! I promise not to get into that. I think Judy was 
> quoting columns. But she most likely wouldn't quoted them had she 
> not agreed  with them. I'll let the record stand for it's  self.

Judy neither said these things herself, nor did
she quote columns or news stories or anything else
that said these things.

Even if Bush had started doing everything he
possibly could to stem global warming from his
very first day in office, there's no way to say
whether any of it could have made any difference
with regard to Hurricane Katrina, even if Katrina
*was* the result of global warming, which nobody
knows for sure anyway.

And I know I made a post in which I said explicitly
that *one-third* of Louisiana's National Guard was
in Iraq.  There's no way I would have said *all*
its National Guard was in Iraq.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > Has anyone considered the possibility that the 
> > > > Capitol Hill Blue article is onto something and
> > > > that the pretense of Bush's "aloofness" is just
> > > > that?  And that the real truth is that he's so
> > > > uncontrollable that his handlers don't dare let
> > > > him out in public except for carefully staged 
> > > > and choreographed events with a preselected 
> > > > audience?
> > > 
> > > He did an interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer this
> > > morning, at which she asked some pretty tough
> > > questions.  If he were so "uncontrollable," they
> > > would be highly unlikely to subject him to such
> > > interviews.
> > 
> > I'll bet a dollar that he saw those questions in advance. 
> 
> I'd bet a great deal more than that.

Considering the extreme incompetence of some
of his responses, you would almost certainly
lose that bet.


> The "fly-by" adds credence to the "uncontrollable" theory,
> in my opinion.  It is nothing less than political suicide
> for an American President to not show up "on the ground"
> at a large natural disaster in his country.  Clinton would
> have been there the next day, helping to sling sandbags.
> And what does Bush do?  He flies over the largest such
> natural disaster in US history and looks down from the air?  
> I'm sorry, but somebody's afraid to let him near reporters 
> who might ask embarrassing questions, and cameras that 
> might record his inability to deal with them.

He'll be there on Friday, as it happens.  And by that
time the questions will be a *lot* tougher.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Putting any individual president aside for a moment, can you 
> > imagine the amperage that must flow through the president, 
> > simply by virtue of the office? All those people reporting 
> > to you. All the decisions. The pressures and responsibilities. 
> > The unending calculations.
> > 
> > All that stuff Maharishi said about the head of state mirroring 
> > the people makes sense to me. Imagine being a conduit for the 
> > energies of this crazy nation!
> > 
> > Reagan got around it by delegating and napping. 
> 
> I once read an article written by a fellow who had 
> worked closely with several Presidents, who commented
> that Reagan was the only one who he had not seen "age"
> considerably while in office (meaning that he had seen
> most Presidents "put on" about ten years in physical
> appearance of age during each four-year term).  Even
> though he actually liked Reagan, his rationale for why
> this was true was clear.  He felt that none of this 
> pressure ever got to Reagan because he didn't really
> understand that any of it was real.  He was brought
> up in an environment (the movies) where when people
> got shot, they all got to stand up again and be fine
> once the director yelled, "Cut."




Over the past 37 years, the United States has had 25 years of 
Republican presidents.  It occured to me that if liberals are to be 
believed, those 25 years have been overseen by idiots whose heads 
are filled with fantasies, money-grubbing war-mongers with low-IQs 
and all-around imbeciles.  

Yet in spite of them, the country both survived and prospered.






> 
> > Bush 41 managed it by being a good manager. Clinton thrived 
> > on it, being who he is. As for Bush 43 (to get back at digging 
> > at W), I don't see the innate resources that would help him cope.
> 
> He gave them (alcohol, cocaine, and other drugs) up 
> some time ago, and replaced them with religion.  It
> doesn't seem to be doing as good a job for him as 
> the other crutches did.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans -- Due to Sin!

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God
> > destroyed a wicked city," stated Repent America director Michael
> > Marcavage. "From 'Girls Gone Wild' to 'Southern Decadence,' New
> > Orleans was a city that had its doors wide open to the public
> > celebration of sin. From the devastation may a city full of
> > righteousness emerge," he continued.
> > 
> > "We must help and pray for those ravaged by this disaster, but 
let
> > us not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and 
> > welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long," Marcavage 
> > said. "May this act of God cause us all to think about what we 
> > tolerate in our city limits, and bring us trembling before the 
> > throne of Almighty God," Marcavage concluded.
> > 
> > "[God] sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." (Matthew 
5:45) 
> > 
> > http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html
> 
> San Francisco and Boston are next -- all those gay
> marriages.
> 
> And let's not forget the Scorpion Nation...

The "Scorpion Nation" comment pales in comparison to the one (I 
paraphrase) that says that all bad in the world comes out of America.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ "Shock&Awe"/No Compassion?"

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> People are beginning to wander, and wonder;
>  
> On the streets of New Orleans;
>  
> Does my President care, about me;
>  
> And my friends and neighbors?
>  
> We are lost and thirsty, for a drink of water;
>  
> Would taste so good;
>  
> My grandma, she's dieing, I hope not, though.
>  
> We sent planes and stuff to Iraq, seems real quick;
>  
> But when it comes time to help us po folk.
>  
> Well, maybe that be another story?
>  
> Copyright  2005 Robert Gimbel




"Well, maybe that be another story"?

Robert Gimbel

Sinks into

Using Ebonics

In his poetry.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Over the past 37 years, the United States has had 25 years of 
> Republican presidents. It occured to me that if liberals are to be 
> believed, those 25 years have been overseen by idiots whose heads 
> are filled with fantasies, money-grubbing war-mongers with low-IQs 
> and all-around imbeciles.  
> 
> Yet in spite of them, the country both survived and prospered.

Well, duh.  It's a country full of idiots whose heads
are filled with fantasies, money-grubbing war-mongers
with low IQs.  A few outright imbeciles, too.  They
never noticed the difference.

:-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Has anyone considered the possibility that the 
> Capitol Hill Blue article is onto something and
> that the pretense of Bush's "aloofness" is just
> that?  And that the real truth is that he's so
> uncontrollable that his handlers don't dare let
> him out in public except for carefully staged 
> and choreographed events with a preselected 
> audience?  Given some of his on-the-record
> outbursts like the one in South America where
> he refused to attend a meeting of world leaders
> until everyone was frisked for weapons, and then
> when the hosting country refused, skipped the
> meeting entirely, it IS a possibility.

I don't doubt that BUsh has problems. The problem with Capital HIll 
Blues is that he accepts any rumor as fact. He's the liberal 
equivalent of Drudge.

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > wrote:
> > 
> > > > > It does seem as though a massive rescue and aid
> > > > > effort is finally getting under way, but
> > > > > everything up to this point was pretty much
> > > > > haphazard.
> > > > 
> > > > i.e. Bush's fault.
> > > 
> > > Block that jerking knee!
> > > 
> > > Not in this case.  It hasn't been that long since it
> > > happened; it takes a day or two to discover the scope
> > > of a disaster and gear up to deal with it.  And in
> > > New Orleans, there was a one-two punch, the second
> > > a day after the first.
> > 
> > However, an editorial in the ultra-conservative
> > Manchester Union-Leader today:
> > 
> > Bush and Katrina:
> > A time for action, not aloofness
> > 
> > AS THE EXTENT of Hurricane Katrina's devastation became clearer 
on 
> > Tuesday — millions without power, tens of thousands homeless, a 
> death 
> > toll unknowable because rescue crews can't reach some regions — 
> > President Bush carried on with his plans to speak in San Diego, 
as 
> if 
> > nothing important had happened the day before. 
> > 
> > Katrina already is measured as one of the worst storms in 
American 
> > history. And yet, President Bush decided that his plans to 
> commemorate 
> > the 60th anniversary of VJ Day with a speech were more pressing 
> than 
> > responding to the carnage. 
> > 
> > A better leader would have flown straight to the disaster zone 
and 
> > announced the immediate mobilization of every available resource 
to 
> > rescue the stranded, find and bury the dead, and keep the 
survivors 
> > fed, clothed, sheltered and free of disease. 
> > 
> > The cool, confident, intuitive leadership Bush exhibited in his 
> first 
> > term, particularly in the months immediately following Sept. 11, 
> 2001, 
> > has vanished. In its place is a diffident detachment unsuitable 
for 
> > the leader of a nation facing war, natural disaster and economic 
> > uncertainty. 
> > 
> > Wherever the old George W. Bush went, we sure wish we had him 
back.
> > 
> > http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=59785
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/a54ep




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 9/1/05 9:38:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > In  a message dated 8/31/05 10:46:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> >  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > 
> > Except I  didn't say either.   Maybe it's you who needs
> > to do some better   fact-checking.
> > 
> > One of your earlier post you did say that or  at least very  
strongly 
> > imply that. As I recall you even  repeated your self concerning 
> > those  accusations.
> 
> You'll  have to cite the posts.  Clearly  you
> misunderstood.
> 

> I  don't have the post number. It is dated 8/31/05  11:50:18 AM
> Central Daylight time. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) : Just for
> starters take global warming seriously.

Right, that's at the top of my list for things I
think Bush should be doing.  But contrary to your
claim, I did not say global warming was responsible
for Katrina.

>  Louisiana for disaster relief, they wouldn't have had to abort the 
> project to shore up the levees in New Orleans...

Right, I said that.  And your point is what,
exactly?  This wasn't either of the two things
you falsely claimed I had said, nor have I denied
saying it.

  Louisiana's National Guard hadn't been tied down in Iraq.<

Right, a third.  You claimed I had said *all* of
them were in Iraq.

> In the same  post 
> you made reference to these same things you had said in a post the 
> day  before. In that earlier post you were  even more emphatic that 
> Bush was  some how responsible for the global warming that caused 
> the hurricane,

Sorry, but you're mistaken.  I said he was
responsible for not doing anything about
global warming, which is painfully obvious.
I never connected it with Katrina.

> That ALL  the 
> Louisiana National Guard troops were stuck in Iraq therefore unable 
> to  assist with rescue operations.

Nope, didn't say that either.  What I said was
that all the National Guard troops who were in
Iraq were unable to assist with rescue operations.


You accused me of not checking my facts, when it's
you who didn't check yours.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ "Shock&Awe"/No Compassion?"

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > People are beginning to wander, and wonder;
> > On the streets of New Orleans;
> > Does my President care, about me;
> > And my friends and neighbors?
> > We are lost and thirsty, for a drink of water;
> > Would taste so good;
> > My grandma, she's dieing, I hope not, though.
> > We sent planes and stuff to Iraq, seems real quick;
> > But when it comes time to help us po folk.
> > Well, maybe that be another story?
> >  
> > Copyright  2005 Robert Gimbel
> 
> That's a good one, Robert.  Nicely done.
> 
> It's not just in New Orleans.  Apparently the poor
> folks who were unable to evacuate from some of the
> other devastated areas--especially Mississippi--are
> infuriated because there was no plan to help them
> get away.


Has anyone else noticed this?

Almost all the so-called "poor people" shown on news clips are not 
just overweight, but OBESE?

This is quite a testament to the United States if our "poor people" 
are busting at the seams from overeating.  Assuming actual 
impoverished people of the Third World had televisions and satellite 
or cable service and were able to see these images, it would 
actually INCREASE the already untold millions of people seeking to 
immigrate to the U.S.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why No Rubber Rafts for Rescue...'

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 9/1/05 12:43:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> And up  to 28 feet deep. BTW, seeing how the average elevation of 
NO is 
> 6 feet  below sea level, how could the water only be waist  deep?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If a bowl holds a potential of two quarts, is it  possible  for it 
to hold 
> less than two quarts? I believe many of the  residential areas 
that you see 
> flooded are flooded up to or just below the roofs  of one story 
homes. Obviously 
> that is over waist deep. However, that appears to  be the deepest 
and the rest 
> of the city looks as if one could easily wade  through the water. 
Tossing out 
> little rubber cushions or rafts  to people  stuck on roofs could 
be far more 
> dangerous than picking them up by helicopter  from a dry roof 
tops. I would 
> think the last thing you would want to do is  encourage people to 
swim for it in 
> that kind of  water.


1) I've never been to New Orleans, but I assume it is like every 
other city I've ever been to: streets ebb and flow in height.  Mini 
hills and valleys of about 10-20 feet exist everywhere.  Heck, I'm 
in the middle of a dessert and whenever there is a dip in the road 
of about 5 feet, there is a road sign that says: do not enter when 
flooded because that's all it takes to get your car stuck and under 
water.

2) Film crews assigned to show devastation aren't going to film the 
areas NOT affected, they are going to get the most sensational 
footage.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ "Shock&Awe"/No Compassion?"

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > People are beginning to wander, and wonder;
> > > On the streets of New Orleans;
> > > Does my President care, about me;
> > > And my friends and neighbors?
> > > We are lost and thirsty, for a drink of water;
> > > Would taste so good;
> > > My grandma, she's dieing, I hope not, though.
> > > We sent planes and stuff to Iraq, seems real quick;
> > > But when it comes time to help us po folk.
> > > Well, maybe that be another story?
> > >  
> > > Copyright  2005 Robert Gimbel
> > 
> > That's a good one, Robert.  Nicely done.
> > 
> > It's not just in New Orleans.  Apparently the poor
> > folks who were unable to evacuate from some of the
> > other devastated areas--especially Mississippi--are
> > infuriated because there was no plan to help them
> > get away.
> 
> 
> Has anyone else noticed this?
> 
> Almost all the so-called "poor people" shown on news clips are not 
> just overweight, but OBESE?

Actually I've noticed that a lot of them are
painfully skinny, especially the children.

> This is quite a testament to the United States if our "poor people" 
> are busting at the seams from overeating.  Assuming actual 
> impoverished people of the Third World had televisions and 
> satellite or cable service and were able to see these images, it 
> would actually INCREASE the already untold millions of people 
> seeking to immigrate to the U.S.

As Shemp knows (because I've explained it to him before),
when poor people are obese, it's because the only kinds
of food they can afford are fattening.  This syndrome
is well understood among health care workers.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ "Shock&Awe"/No Compassion?"

2005-09-01 Thread tazarmfune

> Almost all the so-called "poor people" shown on news clips 
are not 
> just overweight, but OBESE?
> 
> This is quite a testament to the United States if our "poor 
people" 
> are busting at the seams from overeating.  

Maybe a more likely cause it eating the wrong things. Many poor 
people buy Fast Food due to low cost, and we all know what fast 
food can do...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> > -- On ABC this morning, President Bush said, "Nobody
> > could have anticipated that the levees [in New
> > Orleans] would be breached."
> 
> Correction: His exact words were, "I don't think anyone
> anticipated the breach of the levees."
> 
> Unbelievable.
> 
> Just as a reminder, the breach of the levees
> and subsequent flooding in New Orleans was one
> of the top three "likeliest, most catastrophic
> disasters facing this country," according to
> FEMA.

Well, if FEMA was the first to anticipate it, why did it take them 80 
years to figure it out (or however long they've been in existence)?

The obvious fact is that the breach was obviously a possibility but 
Bush, Clinton, and everyone and anyone else in positions of 
responsibility out there for the past 100 or so years that this 
problem has existed in New Orleans paid it as much attention as the 
people in Thailand and Sri Lanka gave to the possibility of the 
Tsunami...and, yes, there were the same "dire" warnings from 
professionals that a Tsunami would cause the devastation that it did.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: New vastu regs for TM instruction

2005-09-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This is retarded. 
> > Avoid a sunrise delay of more than 12 minutes ! ! !Fucking 
> stupid. 
> > Even Iowa - a flat desolate place with a diminishing population - 
> > cannot accomplish that in most places. It takes about 8 minutes 
for 
> > the sun to pass over its own relative dimension on the horizon. 
> This 
> > means any hill of about 500-1000 feet on the horizon 5 or 10 
miles 
> or 
> > more away cannot me accepted. Even a sloping geological plate 
will 
> > cause more than 8 minutes delay. Many places, except right on the 
> > Eastern sea-coast, or right on the west coast beaches, cannot be 
> > accepted, and this goes for most countries and continents. 
> >  It is retarded bullshit.
> > And how far from a body of water can you be? It just says avoid a 
> body 
> > of water in south and west. What is it? 100 yards, half a mile, 1 
> > mile , 10 miles, 100 miles?
> > 
> > Fuck this shit. (and I am into TM and TM-sidhis, believe it or 
not)
> > If you need this shit for personal enlightenment or world 
> > peacethen baby, it just ain't gonna happen. Period.
> 
> Congratulations.  You're finally "on the program."
> The TMO is effectively saying that enlightenment
> and world peace is not a possibility, so focus on
> raising money.

or not.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Vastu of Katrina

2005-09-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > OWB,
> > 
> > Yes, if you're interested in politics, health care, investments and 
> > the economy.  The US chart can reveal the future events of the 
> > country.
> 
> Yeah, right...that's why all the astrologers are so
> rich from playing the stock market.  :-)

Well all the really GOOD ones are, but they're retired so you don't 
know about them...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Can't happen here" syndrome

2005-09-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > In light of both last year's tsunami and Katrina, the issue has 
> > been 
> > > brought up in the media that the loss of human life and damages 
> in 
> > > BOTH cases could have been greatly minimized had proper 
> preparation 
> > > been made.
> > > 
> > > It wasn't that experts didn't envision that a tsunami could 
> happen 
> > > or that the levees in New Orleans could have broken, it's just 
> the 
> > > odds seemed to make it so unlikely that public policy in this 
> area 
> > > didn't make spending the millions or billions to prevent what 
> could 
> > > have been prevented.
> > > 
> > > I contrast this with the building of hydro-electric dams.  The 
> > > little I know about them is this: a dam is built in order to 
> create 
> > > a massive reservoir of water so that the power of the water 
from 
> > > these masses can be channeled into turning turbines which, in 
> turn, 
> > > create electricity.
> > > 
> > > But the danger inherent in every dam in spillover: too much 
> water 
> > in 
> > > a reservoir can either destroy the environment or -- as is the 
> case 
> > > with Hoover Dam -- destroy the generating facility. 
> > > 
> > > So with every dam is built a "spillway", a structure in which 
> > > spillovers can be safely channelled away from creating a 
> disaster.  
> > > At Hoover DAm you can see a massive concrete tunnel beside the 
> > > facility built specifically for this purpose.
> > > 
> > > I once took a tour of a hydroelectric dam in Northern Quebec at 
> > > James Bay.  At one point beside the reservoir near a dyke was a 
> > > massive set of concrete steps that, I was told, cost hundreds 
of 
> > > millions of dollars to build and, at the top of the stairs 
built 
> > > into the side of the reservoir was a gate that could be opened; 
> a 
> > > spillway in other words.
> > > 
> > > The tour guide mentioned that, statistically, overspill would 
> > happen 
> > > only once every 100 years!
> > > 
> > > Yet the company spent hundreds of millions of dollars to plan 
> for 
> > > something that the builders would, statistically, not even see 
> in 
> > > their own lifetime, not ever see the practical benefit of.
> > > 
> > > This type of planning happened with private enterprise (note 
> that 
> > > Bechtel built the dam, please!) Perhaps there is a disconnect 
> > > between this type of planning in private enterprise and public 
> > > policy enterprises...
> > 
> > You don't read much on this group. The $250 million that was to 
be 
> > spent last year on strengthening New Orlean's levees was spent on 
> the 
> > war in Iraq instead.
> 
> 
> Yes, I read that (I believe it was Judy who posted the article).  
> Indeed, it only strengthens the argument that I am making...perhaps 
> private enterprise would have had their priorities right.

Are you saying that private enterprises don't control the federal 
government's budget?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans -- Due to Sin!

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 9/1/05 9:23:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> San  Francisco and Boston are next -- all those  gay
> marriages.
> 
> 
> 
> Throw in Vegas, Reno, Atlantic City and some Indian  reservations.


"Some" Indian Reservations?  By definition, evil degenerate gambling 
is happening on 100% of Indian Reservations.  So I guess the plague 
must be visited upon all of them...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Vastu Policy for TM courses

2005-09-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > JohnY wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > >  I noticed that very few have commented on this new 
policy.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I noticed the roar of silence, too. "Processing the TMO" 
> > > > > seems to be less and less a function of this group. Or 
> > > > > is it that this latest edict is so outrageous that it has 
> > > > > silenced even those who still have outrage to voice?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anyway, what I took away from this vastu policy is, there 
> > > > > will never be any turning back to rationality in the TMO, 
> > > > > even after Maharishi drops the body. Before this edict I 
> > > > > could tell myself that things might change post-MMY. But 
> > > > > this policy won't change. It's part of his legacy -- part 
of 
> > > > > the "purity of the teaching." And it embodies the sclerosis 
> > > > > of TM orthodoxy.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks, Maharishi, for TM. I was lucky to get in on it when 
> I 
> > > did.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   - Patrick Gillam
> > > > 
> > > > As my TM initiator once commented, he gave up a long time ago 
> > > (this 
> > > > was in 1973) trying to second guess what MMY was trying to 
do: 
> > MMY 
> > > > *always* challanges your expectations.
> > > > 
> > > > How do you know that this vastu thing isn't really important 
> in 
> > > some 
> > > > ineffable way? MMY may be destroying the TMO or he may be 
> > reviving 
> > > it 
> > > > in ways we can't conceive of. I'm interested in seeing what 
> > > happens 
> > > > next, aren't you?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Vastu, NLP, honey, candy bars, vedic vibration, $600 billion in 
> > > agriculture bonds, damning democracy, etc. could be the most 
> > > important things in the world.
> > > 
> > > But they have ZERO to do with the TM Program.
> > 
> > But teaching the TM program is only a means to an end.
> 
> 
> You need to stop speaking in parables to me, Grasshopper, because I 
> don't understand what you mean.

spiritual regeneration of all Mankind.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > Over the past 37 years, the United States has had 25 years of 
> > Republican presidents. It occured to me that if liberals are to be 
> > believed, those 25 years have been overseen by idiots whose heads 
> > are filled with fantasies, money-grubbing war-mongers with low-IQs 
> > and all-around imbeciles.  
> > 
> > Yet in spite of them, the country both survived and prospered.
> 
> Well, duh.  It's a country full of idiots whose heads
> are filled with fantasies, money-grubbing war-mongers
> with low IQs.  A few outright imbeciles, too.  They
> never noticed the difference.
> 
> :-)

And yet, untold millions beat a path to the door of the U.S. because 
they want to live in such a country...




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The press release many of us suspect is coming

2005-09-01 Thread Peter
We say this over and over again on this newsgroup, but
it speaks volumns about the present state of the TMO
when outrageous satire of the TMO is initially
perceived as "rational" movement discourse! 

--- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What's frightening is that I read the first four
> paragraphs before I 
> realized it was satire (and very, very good satire
> at that, 
> Unc!)...it was only the discussion of the word
> "devastate" that 
> tipped me off because we had had that discussion
> here.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > MAHARISHI'S MESSAGE TO THE WORLD PRESS - SEPTEMBER
> 1, 2005
> > 
> > Katrina 'Devastation' Seen as Golden 
> > Opportunity for World Peace and Windfall 
> > for Builders Invited to Participate in 
> > Global Reconstruction Program
> > 
> > As previously announced, the World Government's
> Global 
> > Reconstruction Program will raise the world's
> population 
> > from problem-ridden life to problem-free life—life
> in 
> > accord with Total Natural Law -- life in
> enlightenment, 
> > perfect health, affluence, invincibility, and
> peace.
> > 
> > However, many cynics and problem-ridden people,
> attached 
> > to their cultures and traditions and to the
> non-Vastu-
> > friendly buildings in their countries, did not
> immediately 
> > see the wisdom of tearing the whole lot of them
> down and 
> > starting over with Vastu-correct buildings
> constructed by 
> > TM front companies.
> > 
> > Enter Nature.  Hurricane Katrina should be viewed
> as the 
> > response of the realm of Natural Law to the
> failure of the 
> > world to immediately tear down all the old
> buildings and 
> > reconstruct the world in accord with Natural Law
> and to do 
> > it -- as we demanded in our initial Press Releases
> -- 
> imultaneously and quickly. "Time and tide wait for
> no one," 
> > Maharishi said at that time.  The world didn't
> listen.
> > 
> > So the realm of Total Natural Law responded by
> 'devastating' 
> > the first of many non-Vastu cities.  Just look at
> the word 
> > 'devastate.'  Could the meaning be any clearer? 
> The city 
> > of New Orleans was not Vastu-compliant; therefore
> it was 
> > de-Vastu-ated, to clear the way for a *proper*
> Vastu city 
> > to be built on its ruins.
> > 
> > We in the World Government are sorry, of course,
> about the 
> > minor inconvenience of millions of people being
> without 
> > homes while the reconstruction effort is taking
> place, but 
> > you can make an om-lette without breaking a few
> eggs, can
> > you?  Similarly, we are distressed at the loss of
> life.  It
> > is regrettable that so many died as Nature
> rearranged things.
> > To help make up for this loss, the World
> Government pledges
> > to give each of these returning souls a discount
> on learning
> > the TM program when they reincarnate.  The course
> fee for
> > such reincarnated souls will be $2000, or 1/3 of
> the current
> > course fee, whichever is higher.  It's the least
> we can do.
> > 
> > None of this was necessary.  If you had just
> listened to 
> > what we said and torn down all of your cities
> immediately
> > to make room for the incredibly more
> Nature-compliant Vastu 
> > replacements, Nature would not have been forced to
> make you
> > comply.  That it was is an expression of one of
> Maharishi's 
> > primary teachings, "Avoid the problem before it
> arises," 
> > which he has recently re-translated from the
> original Vedic
> > verses to read, "If you had just given us the
> money we asked 
> > for when we asked for it, you'd be high and dry
> now."
> > 
> > Providing Fortune-Creating Homes through the World
> Recon-
> > struction Program is just one of the undertakings
> of the 
> > Global Country of World Peace.  Just wait until we
> get into
> > the clothing business and you're asked to throw
> away every
> > item of clothing you own and buy an all-new
> Vedic-compliant 
> > wardrobe.  When that happens, remember Katrina and
> get out 
> > your credit cards.
> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >  
> > In a message dated 8/31/05 10:45:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > 
> > I didn't  count, but it looked to me like about half
> > of those who commented were  upset with Bush's
> > behavior; another half were trying to defend  him.
> > 
> > Just sounds like balanced reporting to me. Give half your
> > column to one point of view and the other to the other point
> > of  view.
> 
> Pay attention, please.  This wasn't a "column," it was
> a conservative group blog.
> 
> The point being, of course, that some of Bush's greatest
> fans are upset by his recent behavior.

Often I find that Bush's fans criticize him for entirely different 
reasons than I do...




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Yogiji/Offering of Vastu Housing/In New Or...

2005-09-01 Thread Peter


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  
> In a message dated 9/1/05 1:38:53 A.M. Central
> Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Yeah,  wasn't that scene in "Easy Rider" where Fonda
> and Hopper do 
> acid in a  graveyard in New Orleans?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> That's the one!

I can't imagine anything being more conducive to a bad
trip than dropping acid in a graveyard, let alone a
New Orleans graveyard! Bummer, man, bummer.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ "Shock&Awe"/No Compassion?"

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > People are beginning to wander, and wonder;
> > > > On the streets of New Orleans;
> > > > Does my President care, about me;
> > > > And my friends and neighbors?
> > > > We are lost and thirsty, for a drink of water;
> > > > Would taste so good;
> > > > My grandma, she's dieing, I hope not, though.
> > > > We sent planes and stuff to Iraq, seems real quick;
> > > > But when it comes time to help us po folk.
> > > > Well, maybe that be another story?
> > > >  
> > > > Copyright  2005 Robert Gimbel
> > > 
> > > That's a good one, Robert.  Nicely done.
> > > 
> > > It's not just in New Orleans.  Apparently the poor
> > > folks who were unable to evacuate from some of the
> > > other devastated areas--especially Mississippi--are
> > > infuriated because there was no plan to help them
> > > get away.
> > 
> > 
> > Has anyone else noticed this?
> > 
> > Almost all the so-called "poor people" shown on news clips are 
not 
> > just overweight, but OBESE?
> 
> Actually I've noticed that a lot of them are
> painfully skinny, especially the children.



You've made that up, Judy.

Unless they were footage of Appalachian children from the 1960s, 
I've never seen footage of American children who were "painfully 
skinny".  Doesn't exist.  You know it, I know it and everyone 
reading this newsgroup knows it.



> 
> > This is quite a testament to the United States if our "poor 
people" 
> > are busting at the seams from overeating.  Assuming actual 
> > impoverished people of the Third World had televisions and 
> > satellite or cable service and were able to see these images, it 
> > would actually INCREASE the already untold millions of people 
> > seeking to immigrate to the U.S.
> 
> As Shemp knows (because I've explained it to him before),
> when poor people are obese, it's because the only kinds
> of food they can afford are fattening.  This syndrome
> is well understood among health care workers.

As Judy knows (because I've explained this to her before), bulk 
organic grains and foods are available for a fraction of the cost of 
junk foods.  Of course, it takes time to prepare bulk foods and 
you've got to shlepp the bags from the store to home, which may 
inconvenience alot of obese welfare Moms...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ "Shock&Awe"/No Compassion?"

2005-09-01 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > People are beginning to wander, and wonder;
> >  
> > On the streets of New Orleans;
> >  
> > Does my President care, about me;
> >  
> > And my friends and neighbors?
> >  
> > We are lost and thirsty, for a drink of water;
> >  
> > Would taste so good;
> >  
> > My grandma, she's dieing, I hope not, though.
> >  
> > We sent planes and stuff to Iraq, seems real quick;
> >  
> > But when it comes time to help us po folk.
> >  
> > Well, maybe that be another story?
> >  
> > Copyright  2005 Robert Gimbel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Well, maybe that be another story"?
> 
> Robert Gimbel
> 
> Sinks into
> 
> Using Ebonics
> 
> In his poetry.
> 

That only happens when you get out of bed more than 5' away from true
Vastu.

JohnY






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why No Rubber Rafts for Rescue...'

2005-09-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 9/1/05 12:43:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> And up  to 28 feet deep. BTW, seeing how the average elevation of 
NO is 
> 6 feet  below sea level, how could the water only be waist  deep?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If a bowl holds a potential of two quarts, is it  possible  for it 
to hold 
> less than two quarts? I believe many of the  residential areas that 
you see 
> flooded are flooded up to or just below the roofs  of one story 
homes. Obviously 
> that is over waist deep. However, that appears to  be the deepest 
and the rest 
> of the city looks as if one could easily wade  through the water. 
Tossing out 
> little rubber cushions or rafts  to people  stuck on roofs could be 
far more 
> dangerous than picking them up by helicopter  from a dry roof tops. 
I would 
> think the last thing you would want to do is  encourage people to 
swim for it in 
> that kind of  water.

I understand. I was merely commenting on the claim that the water is 
only waist deep. The only place where that my apply now is the French 
Quarter. Even the SuperDome is now flooded, from what I hear.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ "Shock&Awe"/No Compassion?"

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Almost all the so-called "poor people" shown on news clips 
> are not 
> > just overweight, but OBESE?
> > 
> > This is quite a testament to the United States if our "poor 
> people" 
> > are busting at the seams from overeating.  
> 
> Maybe a more likely cause it eating the wrong things. Many poor 
> people buy Fast Food due to low cost, and we all know what fast 
> food can do...

Healthy bulk foods are available to anyone in the U.S. at a FRACTION 
of the cost of fast food.

I deny anyone to show me otherwise...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates

2005-09-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> > -- On ABC this morning, President Bush said, "Nobody
> > could have anticipated that the levees [in New
> > Orleans] would be breached."
> 
> Correction: His exact words were, "I don't think anyone
> anticipated the breach of the levees."
> 
> Unbelievable.
> 
> Just as a reminder, the breach of the levees
> and subsequent flooding in New Orleans was one
> of the top three "likeliest, most catastrophic
> disasters facing this country," according to
> FEMA.

Condaleeza Rice strikes again...





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/1/05 10:42:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The 
  "fly-by" adds credence to the "uncontrollable" theory,in my opinion.  
  It is nothing less than political suicidefor an American President to not 
  show up "on the ground"at a large natural disaster in his country.  
  Clinton wouldhave been there the next day, helping to sling 
  sandbags.And what does Bush do?  He flies over the largest 
  suchnatural disaster in US history and looks down from the air?  
  I'm sorry, but somebody's afraid to let him near reporters who might 
  ask embarrassing questions, and cameras that might record his inability to 
  deal with them.

This is exactly what I referred to in an earlier post. Damned 
if you do, damned if you don't. As I recall Bush was on his way back to DC when 
Air force one flew low to let him get a glimpse of the destruction.Why was he on 
his way back to DC? To please his critics who said he needed to be in Washington 
DC to give the appearance of leadership from the oval office. Bush was heavily 
criticized when he and his brother passed out water and supplies at hurricane 
devastation sites last year in Florida.They were accused of politicizing 
the situation and being in the way of relief workers < Where exactly was 
Air force One supposed to land in New Orleans when the airport was under water. 
Two days ago the governor of Mississippi specifically asked the president 
not  to come yet, while the Governor of Louisiana couldn't make up her mind 
whether he should come now or a wait a few days. I guarantee if Bush were in the 
area on the ground right now he would be criticized for distracting rescue 
efforts and possibly causing more deaths.It was reported earlier this morning 
that Bush is planning to tour the areas in the next few days when it is more 
appropriate. I just hope the shrillness from the left continues and gets louder 
because they are only making fools of themselves.< It won't be the media or 
the rest of the left rebuilding New Orleans, it will be American capitalists. 
It's not Moveon.org and Cindy Sheehan rescuing people out of the flood, it's the 
military and police that they loath. It's not the Hollywood crowd that got 
private relief efforts started,It's the 
major corporations, that the left loves to hate, donating 
millions. I love it! The Left does nothing but whine,criticize and complain 
while the rest of America goes into action! You guys just can't see how the rest 
of America sees you. You can't win elections and you're in a downward 
spiral.  I love it, I love it, I love it!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Vastu of Katrina

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > OWB,
> > > 
> > > Yes, if you're interested in politics, health care, 
investments and 
> > > the economy.  The US chart can reveal the future events of the 
> > > country.
> > 
> > Yeah, right...that's why all the astrologers are so
> > rich from playing the stock market.  :-)
> 
> Well all the really GOOD ones are, but they're retired so you 
don't 
> know about them...

It's like I say to my clients when they ask me what the stock market 
is going to do: "Madam, if I knew the answer to that question, I'd 
be speaking to you on my cell phone from my yacht in the Caribbean".




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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Can't happen here" syndrome

2005-09-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 9/1/05 6:51:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> In 2001,  FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New
> Orleans was one of the three most  likely disasters in
> the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New  Orleans
> flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the
> Iraq  war.
> 
> 
> 
> Ahem, what kept the city of New Orleans and the State of  Louisiana 
from 
> shoring up their own levee problem? Was it finances? Or was it  
something else. If 
> it was finances, the city or the state could have easily  passed a 
Hotel and 
> car rental tax to finance such infrastructure changes and  have the 
tourist 
> pay for it. Lack of federal funding is a cop out. I've heard  there 
were more 
> logistical reasons for not building the levees to be able to  
withstand more 
> than a category three hurricane. The decisions were local, not  
federal.

Not according to the articles Judy has been posting. Perhaps you 
would post your own articles explaining why the ones she has posted 
are wrong?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Can't happen here" syndrome

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > In light of both last year's tsunami and Katrina, the issue 
has 
> > > been 
> > > > brought up in the media that the loss of human life and 
damages 
> > in 
> > > > BOTH cases could have been greatly minimized had proper 
> > preparation 
> > > > been made.
> > > > 
> > > > It wasn't that experts didn't envision that a tsunami could 
> > happen 
> > > > or that the levees in New Orleans could have broken, it's 
just 
> > the 
> > > > odds seemed to make it so unlikely that public policy in 
this 
> > area 
> > > > didn't make spending the millions or billions to prevent 
what 
> > could 
> > > > have been prevented.
> > > > 
> > > > I contrast this with the building of hydro-electric dams.  
The 
> > > > little I know about them is this: a dam is built in order to 
> > create 
> > > > a massive reservoir of water so that the power of the water 
> from 
> > > > these masses can be channeled into turning turbines which, 
in 
> > turn, 
> > > > create electricity.
> > > > 
> > > > But the danger inherent in every dam in spillover: too much 
> > water 
> > > in 
> > > > a reservoir can either destroy the environment or -- as is 
the 
> > case 
> > > > with Hoover Dam -- destroy the generating facility. 
> > > > 
> > > > So with every dam is built a "spillway", a structure in 
which 
> > > > spillovers can be safely channelled away from creating a 
> > disaster.  
> > > > At Hoover DAm you can see a massive concrete tunnel beside 
the 
> > > > facility built specifically for this purpose.
> > > > 
> > > > I once took a tour of a hydroelectric dam in Northern Quebec 
at 
> > > > James Bay.  At one point beside the reservoir near a dyke 
was a 
> > > > massive set of concrete steps that, I was told, cost 
hundreds 
> of 
> > > > millions of dollars to build and, at the top of the stairs 
> built 
> > > > into the side of the reservoir was a gate that could be 
opened; 
> > a 
> > > > spillway in other words.
> > > > 
> > > > The tour guide mentioned that, statistically, overspill 
would 
> > > happen 
> > > > only once every 100 years!
> > > > 
> > > > Yet the company spent hundreds of millions of dollars to 
plan 
> > for 
> > > > something that the builders would, statistically, not even 
see 
> > in 
> > > > their own lifetime, not ever see the practical benefit of.
> > > > 
> > > > This type of planning happened with private enterprise (note 
> > that 
> > > > Bechtel built the dam, please!) Perhaps there is a 
disconnect 
> > > > between this type of planning in private enterprise and 
public 
> > > > policy enterprises...
> > > 
> > > You don't read much on this group. The $250 million that was 
to 
> be 
> > > spent last year on strengthening New Orlean's levees was spent 
on 
> > the 
> > > war in Iraq instead.
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, I read that (I believe it was Judy who posted the 
article).  
> > Indeed, it only strengthens the argument that I am 
making...perhaps 
> > private enterprise would have had their priorities right.
> 
> Are you saying that private enterprises don't control the federal 
> government's budget?

Yes.

100 Senators, 435-odd Representatives in the House of 
Representatives and the President control the government's budget.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Can't happen here" syndrome

2005-09-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/1/05 10:47:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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The 
  levees are an Army Corps of Engineers project.

Army corp of engineers does the engineering. Tax dollars, both 
local, state and federal, foot the bill. The Army doesn't pay for the building 
of the levees out of it's budget. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Yogiji/Offering of Vastu Housing/In New Or...

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >  
> > In a message dated 9/1/05 1:38:53 A.M. Central
> > Daylight Time,  
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > 
> > Yeah,  wasn't that scene in "Easy Rider" where Fonda
> > and Hopper do 
> > acid in a  graveyard in New Orleans?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > That's the one!
> 
> I can't imagine anything being more conducive to a bad
> trip than dropping acid in a graveyard, let alone a
> New Orleans graveyard! Bummer, man, bummer.




I am now convinced that it was that scene from "Easy Rider" seen by 
10s of millions over the world that ultimately caused Hurricane 
Katrina.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > -- On ABC this morning, President Bush said, "Nobody
> > > could have anticipated that the levees [in New
> > > Orleans] would be breached."
> > 
> > Correction: His exact words were, "I don't think anyone
> > anticipated the breach of the levees."
> > 
> > Unbelievable.
> > 
> > Just as a reminder, the breach of the levees
> > and subsequent flooding in New Orleans was one
> > of the top three "likeliest, most catastrophic
> > disasters facing this country," according to
> > FEMA.
> 
> Well, if FEMA was the first to anticipate it, why did it take them
> 80 years to figure it out (or however long they've been in 
> existence)?

Everybody's known about it for a very long time,
actually.  What on earth makes you think FEMA
just figured it out?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ "Shock&Awe"/No Compassion?"

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > 
> > > Almost all the so-called "poor people" shown on news clips 
> > are not 
> > > just overweight, but OBESE?
> > > 
> > > This is quite a testament to the United States if our "poor 
> > people" 
> > > are busting at the seams from overeating.  
> > 
> > Maybe a more likely cause it eating the wrong things. Many poor 
> > people buy Fast Food due to low cost, and we all know what fast 
> > food can do...
> 
> Healthy bulk foods are available to anyone in the U.S. at a 
FRACTION 
> of the cost of fast food.
> 
> I deny anyone to show me otherwise...

Am I bad?

Freudian slip...that should have read "defy"...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ "Shock&Awe"/No Compassion?"

2005-09-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > People are beginning to wander, and wonder;
> > > On the streets of New Orleans;
> > > Does my President care, about me;
> > > And my friends and neighbors?
> > > We are lost and thirsty, for a drink of water;
> > > Would taste so good;
> > > My grandma, she's dieing, I hope not, though.
> > > We sent planes and stuff to Iraq, seems real quick;
> > > But when it comes time to help us po folk.
> > > Well, maybe that be another story?
> > >  
> > > Copyright  2005 Robert Gimbel
> > 
> > That's a good one, Robert.  Nicely done.
> > 
> > It's not just in New Orleans.  Apparently the poor
> > folks who were unable to evacuate from some of the
> > other devastated areas--especially Mississippi--are
> > infuriated because there was no plan to help them
> > get away.
> 
> 
> Has anyone else noticed this?
> 
> Almost all the so-called "poor people" shown on news clips are not 
> just overweight, but OBESE?
> 

IT's well known that eating non-nuitritious food can lead 
to/contribute to obsesity.

> This is quite a testament to the United States if our "poor people" 
> are busting at the seams from overeating.  Assuming actual 
> impoverished people of the Third World had televisions and 
satellite 
> or cable service and were able to see these images, it would 
> actually INCREASE the already untold millions of people seeking to 
> immigrate to the U.S.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why No Rubber Rafts for Rescue...'

2005-09-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
[...]
> 
> 1) I've never been to New Orleans, but I assume it is like every 
> other city I've ever been to: streets ebb and flow in height.  Mini 
> hills and valleys of about 10-20 feet exist everywhere.  Heck, I'm 
> in the middle of a dessert and whenever there is a dip in the road 
> of about 5 feet, there is a road sign that says: do not enter when 
> flooded because that's all it takes to get your car stuck and under 
> water.

But entire neighborhoods in New Orleans are below sea-level. "Do not 
live here if flooded..." is the appropriate sign.

> 
> 2) Film crews assigned to show devastation aren't going to film the 
> areas NOT affected, they are going to get the most sensational 
> footage.

80% is under water, possibly more.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The press release many of us suspect is coming

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> We say this over and over again on this newsgroup, but
> it speaks volumns about the present state of the TMO
> when outrageous satire of the TMO is initially
> perceived as "rational" movement discourse!

Does it speak volumes about the present state of
the TMO, or about how people on this forum tend to
perceive the TMO?

I knew this was satire after reading the title.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans -- Due to Sin!

2005-09-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >  
> > In a message dated 9/1/05 9:23:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > 
> > San  Francisco and Boston are next -- all those  gay
> > marriages.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Throw in Vegas, Reno, Atlantic City and some Indian  reservations.
> 
> 
> "Some" Indian Reservations?  By definition, evil degenerate 
gambling 
> is happening on 100% of Indian Reservations.  So I guess the plague 
> must be visited upon all of them...

What definition says that gambling takes place on all Indian 
Reservations?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ "Shock&Awe"/No Compassion?"

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > People are beginning to wander, and wonder;
> > > > On the streets of New Orleans;
> > > > Does my President care, about me;
> > > > And my friends and neighbors?
> > > > We are lost and thirsty, for a drink of water;
> > > > Would taste so good;
> > > > My grandma, she's dieing, I hope not, though.
> > > > We sent planes and stuff to Iraq, seems real quick;
> > > > But when it comes time to help us po folk.
> > > > Well, maybe that be another story?
> > > >  
> > > > Copyright  2005 Robert Gimbel
> > > 
> > > That's a good one, Robert.  Nicely done.
> > > 
> > > It's not just in New Orleans.  Apparently the poor
> > > folks who were unable to evacuate from some of the
> > > other devastated areas--especially Mississippi--are
> > > infuriated because there was no plan to help them
> > > get away.
> > 
> > 
> > Has anyone else noticed this?
> > 
> > Almost all the so-called "poor people" shown on news clips are 
not 
> > just overweight, but OBESE?
> > 
> 
> IT's well known that eating non-nuitritious food can lead 
> to/contribute to obsesity.




Well, duhhh

And who is making the choice to eat that crap?




> 
> > This is quite a testament to the United States if our "poor 
people" 
> > are busting at the seams from overeating.  Assuming actual 
> > impoverished people of the Third World had televisions and 
> satellite 
> > or cable service and were able to see these images, it would 
> > actually INCREASE the already untold millions of people seeking 
to 
> > immigrate to the U.S.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Yogiji/Offering of Vastu Housing/In New Or...

2005-09-01 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > >  
> > > In a message dated 9/1/05 1:38:53 A.M. Central
> > > Daylight Time,  
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > 
> > > Yeah,  wasn't that scene in "Easy Rider" where Fonda
> > > and Hopper do 
> > > acid in a  graveyard in New Orleans?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > That's the one!
> > 
> > I can't imagine anything being more conducive to a bad
> > trip than dropping acid in a graveyard, let alone a
> > New Orleans graveyard! Bummer, man, bummer.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I am now convinced that it was that scene from "Easy Rider" seen by 
> 10s of millions over the world that ultimately caused Hurricane 
> Katrina.
> 
> 
Plus they entered the graveyard from the south, under some powerlines,
too close to a pond. And they sat near a tomb with a southern door.
It's all very logical

JohnY




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why No Rubber Rafts for Rescue...'

2005-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> [...]
> > 
> > 1) I've never been to New Orleans, but I assume it is like every 
> > other city I've ever been to: streets ebb and flow in height.  
Mini 
> > hills and valleys of about 10-20 feet exist everywhere.  Heck, 
I'm 
> > in the middle of a dessert and whenever there is a dip in the 
road 
> > of about 5 feet, there is a road sign that says: do not enter 
when 
> > flooded because that's all it takes to get your car stuck and 
under 
> > water.
> 
> But entire neighborhoods in New Orleans are below sea-level. "Do 
not 
> live here if flooded..." is the appropriate sign.
> 
> > 
> > 2) Film crews assigned to show devastation aren't going to film 
the 
> > areas NOT affected, they are going to get the most sensational 
> > footage.
> 
> 80% is under water, possibly more.


"Under water" means UNDER water...100% below the surface of the 
water.

You are saying that 80% of the entire city of New Orleans is 
100% "under water"?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...

2005-09-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > Over the past 37 years, the United States has had 25 years of 
> > > Republican presidents. It occured to me that if liberals are to 
be 
> > > believed, those 25 years have been overseen by idiots whose 
heads 
> > > are filled with fantasies, money-grubbing war-mongers with low-
IQs 
> > > and all-around imbeciles.  
> > > 
> > > Yet in spite of them, the country both survived and prospered.
> > 
> > Well, duh.  It's a country full of idiots whose heads
> > are filled with fantasies, money-grubbing war-mongers
> > with low IQs.  A few outright imbeciles, too.  They
> > never noticed the difference.
> > 
> > :-)
> 
> And yet, untold millions beat a path to the door of the U.S. 
because 
> they want to live in such a country...

I'd rather be living in New Zealand, personally, but you can only 
move there if you're a multi-millionaire or have some outrageously 
rare job skill.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ "Shock&Awe"/No Compassion?"

2005-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > People are beginning to wander, and wonder;
> > > > > On the streets of New Orleans;
> > > > > Does my President care, about me;
> > > > > And my friends and neighbors?
> > > > > We are lost and thirsty, for a drink of water;
> > > > > Would taste so good;
> > > > > My grandma, she's dieing, I hope not, though.
> > > > > We sent planes and stuff to Iraq, seems real quick;
> > > > > But when it comes time to help us po folk.
> > > > > Well, maybe that be another story?
> > > > >  
> > > > > Copyright  2005 Robert Gimbel
> > > > 
> > > > That's a good one, Robert.  Nicely done.
> > > > 
> > > > It's not just in New Orleans.  Apparently the poor
> > > > folks who were unable to evacuate from some of the
> > > > other devastated areas--especially Mississippi--are
> > > > infuriated because there was no plan to help them
> > > > get away.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Has anyone else noticed this?
> > > 
> > > Almost all the so-called "poor people" shown on news clips are 
> not 
> > > just overweight, but OBESE?
> > 
> > Actually I've noticed that a lot of them are
> > painfully skinny, especially the children.
> 
> You've made that up, Judy.

I *beg* your pardon???


> > As Shemp knows (because I've explained it to him before),
> > when poor people are obese, it's because the only kinds
> > of food they can afford are fattening.  This syndrome
> > is well understood among health care workers.
> 
> As Judy knows (because I've explained this to her before), bulk 
> organic grains and foods are available for a fraction of the cost 
> of junk foods.  Of course, it takes time to prepare bulk foods and 
> you've got to shlepp the bags from the store to home, which may 
> inconvenience alot of obese welfare Moms...

Let's just leave this for folks to contemplate.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The press release many of us suspect is coming

2005-09-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We say this over and over again on this newsgroup, but
> it speaks volumns about the present state of the TMO
> when outrageous satire of the TMO is initially
> perceived as "rational" movement discourse! 

Heh. The "solution to allproblems" claim didn't tip you off 30+ years 
ago?





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