[FairfieldLife] Sandhi, phonology and advaita?
Giitaa VI 5: uddhared aatmanaatmaanaM naatmaanam avasaadayet aatmaiva hyaatmano bandhur aatmaiva ripur aatmanaH (Without sandhi: uddharet; aatmanaa; aatmaanam na; aatmaanam; avasaadayet aatmaa; eva; hi; aatamanaH; bandhuH aatmaa; eva; ripuH; aatmanaH) Maharishi's translation: Let a man raise his self by his Self, let him not debase his Self; he alone, indeed, is his own friend, he alone his own enemy. uddharet let [a man] raise aatmanaa by [his] Self aatmaanam his self-im (objective case) na not avasaadayet let [him not] debase aatmaa [here:] he (literally: self?) eva alone hi indeed aatmanaH his own (self's) bandhuH friend ripuH enemy It's interesting to speculate whether the (normal) sandhi aatmanaatmaanam for aatmanaa + aatmaanam is an indication of advaita (ayam aatmaa brahma) on the level of phonology, or whatever. There is of course no difference between Self and self in the original devanaagarii, because there are no upper case -characters in DN. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 5 stars!
OTB on Amazon (*): Couldn't be improved upon. In response to Randy LeJeune of Baton Rouge, LA: But why stop at chapter six when the Gita has eighteen chapters? I don't get it. It's not finished. As good as what he has translated is, it would be great if he had completed the job. It WAS completed, but was not to be released until such time as was found to be appropriate according to the progress of meditators or world consciousness or both I don't know which. The eighteen chapters of the Gita may be grouped according to each set of six chapters. Each set describes life in different stages of human development. Chapters one through six talk about progression from Transcendental to Cosmic Consciousness, chapters seven through twelve describe evolution from Cosmic to God Consciousness, and the final six chapters of thirteen through eighteen delineate human progress from God Consciousness to Unity Consciousness the supreme human achievement. Beyond Unity, is Brahman Consciousness. But since this necessitates vibrating outside of the human nervous system, there is no human method of describing or validating it. So as Maharishi says: Don't worry about it. As poor luck would have it, someone stole the remaining 12 chapters from Charlie Lutes in whose possession and safe keeping it was supposed to remain by not returning the manuscript after borrowing it from him. There is no additional copy of the original manuscript and no intention so far as I know of (circa 1994) that Maharishi ever intends to rewrite the missing chapters. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 5 stars!
In a message dated 4/1/06 4:25:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As poor luck would have it, someone stole the remaining 12 chapters from Charlie Lutes in whose possession and safe keeping it was supposed to remain by not returning the manuscript after borrowing it from him. There is no additional copy of the original manuscript and no intention so far as I know of (circa 1994) that Maharishi ever intends to rewrite the missing chapters. Sounds like somebody is sitting on a *gold mine*. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] The inside job theorists have done an enormous amount of homework on all this. I'm not personally convinced by it, but not because there are obvious alternative explanations for the host of strangenesses involved; for many, there aren't. There may *be* explanations, but they aren't obvious. Try this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,677112,00.html When the WTC rubble was cleared away, there were dozens of truck loads of bits from aircraft collected with a view, I presume, to assembling the bits to learn more, in the time honoured way of investigating normal crashes. When they cleared the Pentagon site, I understand that the amount of such aircraft bits would have fitted in anybody's trouser pockets. Let's face it - compressor blades are ceramic, nowadays. They don't burn. Whatever did for the Pentagon, it was no airliner. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] My Trip to India!
Hello Everybody: I got back from India last week after completing the 21 day process. This is a great course and I encourage you to attend, if you can. Ask Bhagavan Amma for help if you don't have the money. Help can come in many unexpected ways. Here's a brief report about my trip to India. I didn't get to attend the January 2006 21 day process. I had to postpone it at the last minute. I did catch the next one that was held from March 3-23, 2006. --- While I was in India, every day felt like a Sunday. The environment is very gentle but very conducive to spiritual practices of any kind. There were lots of emotional releasesduring the course. I was expecting more bliss experiences. Bhagavan always tells his followers to heal their relationships. Most of the traumas, hurts, and pains are in that area. Not only that, there is traumas from being born in the world, birth trauma. All of that has been cleared. I did see Bhagavan and Amma on his birthday ( March 07, 2006). The Indians love him and they treat him like he's a rock star or a Hollywood celebrity. Every movement he makes, the crowd reacts. I've seen holy men and women over the years, but, never have I seen a darshan like that. I thought I was attending a superbowl football game. The energy was high and folks were on the verge of religious fervor. It reminded me of sitting in a black Baptist church. You know the term sanctified? That's what it was like. The 21 day process is interesting. We didn't do anything for the first two days except eat and lay around. We were supposed to have an orientation meeting on March 3. That was cancelled til the next day. Oneness staff member concentrated on registration, taking photo IDs. The orientation was held in the evening. The next day, the course began. March 5, 2006 at 7:30 am, we attended a maHAganapathy Homa. I didn't feel the effects of the homa, but, as the course went on, I did feel them. The homas lasted as a general rule of thumb for two hours. From there we went to class or the meditation hall. During the meditation halls, we'd either listen to lectures and/or observe a pada puja. Worship of the guru's feet. Most of the shakti collects in the feet. I have never done so much surrending in my life. I reached a point when I couldn't surrender any more. I told mentally told Bhagwan, I have nothing left. I've already thanked you a thousand times. What more can I give? I probably need to let go of one or two more items as I look back on this situation now. It rained the first two days we were there. I had done research on the weather and March is the month that receives the least amount of rainfall. Well, you could have fooled me. My shoes got wet, but, I had another pair, thank God. I once read that rain is considered a good omen. Every day it was pretty much the same routine. Go to the meditation hall in the mens'dorm and/or the main meditation hall next to the dining hall on the other side of the campus. We would often receive mantra deekshas there. One monk, male or female would place their hands on each man and woman's head. Imagine doing 100 plus people. The monks would have to be escorted out by another monk. Giving deekshas can get a person out there if you know what I mean. On Sundays, we would see a movie. We saw an IMAX film. I'll have to look through my notes to get the title. I don't see it. Perhaps, I didn't write it down. I did a lot of meditating on the course. It took two weeks for my system to settle down. When I realized I had only a week to go, I began meditating before going to bed, sleep for a few hours, than get up early in the morning 4am and meditate for one or two hours. I was keeping myself in a meditative state during the classes, so I was pretty spaced out most of the time. It wasn't until the last day of the course that deeksha showed me what it could do. We were giving each other deeksha. Suddenly, I felt like I was inside one of Con Edison's generators. The power was everywhere, surrounding me. It took over my body. I began making moaning sounds. When I gave deeksha to the last man, we were in a circle of five. I broke down and cried. It was an emotional cleansing that I needed. I felt better afterwards. There were other emotional releases during the course. I got exactly what I needed, not what I wanted or expected. I didn't wake up on the course. My system did move forward a little. We have several homas during this course. I hope they get the job done. It would be nice to see things turn around with the music (I'm a musician). Right now, it's the pits. I think this is a great course for others to take. Two more points. During the course, we observe mouma (silence). I found it helpful. I'm not used to this. On Transcendental Meditation courses, we can talk. After being with that movement for 32 years, mouma felt awkward. You have to remain celibate while you're on the course. The course is so intense,
[FairfieldLife] Re: 5 stars!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/1/06 4:25:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As poor luck would have it, someone stole the remaining 12 chapters from Charlie Lutes in whose possession and safe keeping it was supposed to remain by not returning the manuscript after borrowing it from him. There is no additional copy of the original manuscript and no intention so far as I know of (circa 1994) that Maharishi ever intends to rewrite the missing chapters. Sounds like somebody is sitting on a *gold mine*. It's not clear from this account whether what's being referred to is MMY's *translation* of chapters 7-18 or his *commentary* thereon. The translation has been circulating as a photocopy for many years (it was actually typeset). It was also used as the basis for a WPA at MUM a few years ago, led by Vernon Katz. So it certainly hasn't been lost. I believe I recall hearing that copies of the translation were handed out to course participants. Whether the commentary on these chapters was ever written, I don't know, but apparently Katz *taught* MMY's commentary on at least some parts of it on that WPA. My guess is that it exists only as Katz's notes from his discussions with MMY, not in a fully written-out form, and that the person being quoted above is referring (inaccurately) to the translation. When someone gave me a copy of the translation (a few years before the WPA), it was with the understanding that it wasn't strictly kosher for me to have it, and that I shouldn't spread it around or say who had given it to me. I suspect the person quoted had heard about the pilfered copy of the translation and got the details a bit confused, thinking it was the *sole* copy that had been taken, and perhaps not realizing that it was just the translation and not the commentary. But that's just my guess. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: My Trip to India!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, medwards520 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everybody: I got back from India last week after completing the 21 day process. I could use it. I'm exhausted today. I just finished a 31 day march. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] The inside job theorists have done an enormous amount of homework on all this. I'm not personally convinced by it, but not because there are obvious alternative explanations for the host of strangenesses involved; for many, there aren't. There may *be* explanations, but they aren't obvious. Try this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,677112,00.html When the WTC rubble was cleared away, there were dozens of truck loads of bits from aircraft collected with a view, I presume, to assembling the bits to learn more, in the time honoured way of investigating normal crashes. When they cleared the Pentagon site, I understand that the amount of such aircraft bits would have fitted in anybody's trouser pockets. Let's face it - compressor blades are ceramic, nowadays. They don't burn. Whatever did for the Pentagon, it was no airliner. There are too many eyewitness accounts of the plane striking the Pentagon for this theory to be credible. There's also been a great deal of expert debunking of the Thierry book (which is what the article at the link is about). I have my own conspiracy theory about the conspiracy theories: I think some who are in a position to know all the details of 9/11 find it in their interest to encourage theories like Thierry's, including by promulgating disinformation, because it sends the conspiracy theorists on wild goose chases *away* from the real story, whatever it is. Information that would disprove the wilder conspiracy theories isn't being released because these people don't *want* the theories disproved. The more real information is available, the more likely it is that the various sleuths will be able to reconstruct the true picture. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 5 stars!
on 4/1/06 4:23 AM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTB on Amazon (*): Couldn't be improved upon. In response to Randy LeJeune of Baton Rouge, LA: But why stop at chapter six when the Gita has eighteen chapters? I don't get it. It's not finished. As good as what he has translated is, it would be great if he had completed the job. It WAS completed, but was not to be released until such time as was found to be appropriate according to the progress of meditators or world consciousness or both I don't know which. The eighteen chapters of the Gita may be grouped according to each set of six chapters. Each set describes life in different stages of human development. Chapters one through six talk about progression from Transcendental to Cosmic Consciousness, chapters seven through twelve describe evolution from Cosmic to God Consciousness, and the final six chapters of thirteen through eighteen delineate human progress from God Consciousness to Unity Consciousness the supreme human achievement. Beyond Unity, is Brahman Consciousness. But since this necessitates vibrating outside of the human nervous system, there is no human method of describing or validating it. So as Maharishi says: Don't worry about it. As poor luck would have it, someone stole the remaining 12 chapters from Charlie Lutes in whose possession and safe keeping it was supposed to remain by not returning the manuscript after borrowing it from him. There is no additional copy of the original manuscript and no intention so far as I know of (circa 1994) that Maharishi ever intends to rewrite the missing chapters. Never heard that story. I heard Vernon Katz has the whole thing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
on 4/1/06 8:14 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are too many eyewitness accounts of the plane striking the Pentagon for this theory to be credible. There's also been a great deal of expert debunking of the Thierry book (which is what the article at the link is about). Some eye-witnesses thought they saw a smaller private jet flying into the Pentagon. Others thought they saw a rocket. Surveillance videos from local gas stations were confiscated immediately after the incident and never divulged. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Story for Barry and Judy
There once lived a great warrior. Though quite old, he still was able to defeat any challenger. His reputation extended far and wide throughout the land and many students gathered to study under him. One day an infamous young warrior arrived at the village. He was determined to be the first man to defeat the great master. Along with his strength, he had an uncanny ability to spot and exploit any weakness in an opponent. He would wait for his opponent to make the first move, thus revealing a weakness, and then would strike with merciless force and lightning speed. No one had ever lasted with him in a match beyond the first move. Much against the advice of his concerned students, the old master gladly accepted the young warrior's challenge. As the two squared off for battle, the young warrior began to hurl insults at the old master. He threw dirt and spit in his face. For hours he verbally assaulted him with every curse and insult known to mankind. But the old warrior merely stood theremotionless and calm. Finally, the young warrior exhausted himself. Knowing he was defeated, he left feeling shamed. Somewhat disappointed that he did not fight the insolent youth, the students gathered around the old master and questioned him. How could you endure such an indignity? How did you drive him away? If someone comes to give you a gift and you do not receive it, the master replied, to whom does the gift belong? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Story for Barry and Judy
The warrior story is excellent beautiful well fitting to all to read I learned from Ur hand here! THANKS! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Later Chapters of Gita
Title: Later Chapters of Gita From a friend: to be posted if U desire without my name, please. ... ... ... 7 or 8 yrs.ago now in May or June late 90's most likely 1999 or even the year 2000, without checking my notes in my calendar note book 4 that yr. I lunched a privately. with Vernon Katz in FF. @ a quiet restaurant in town. I asked re: the material he has. 1. the translations are fully completed. @ the commentary on each verse is fully completed as well. However he noted that from time to time both He M scholars refine the commentary's in small details for future publication. Vernon leaned over to me stated that the revised edition, just recently out by Paramahansa Yogananda was of very great excellence. Maharishi stated to him now that's excellently done. I need no longer refine it. it was now NOT needed to publicize this -- their works on The later chapters of the Bhagavad Gita. I took that to mean Maharishi attention would now longer need to focus on this matter as this had come out was available to seekers if they looked. I also understand but not from Vernon I do not now recall whom that our Purusha uses this 2 Volumes, work for there understanding of alter chapters etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] My Trip to India!
on 4/1/06 7:28 AM, medwards520 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We did meditate in front of the cosmic beings, Who are the cosmic beings? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/1/06 8:14 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are too many eyewitness accounts of the plane striking the Pentagon for this theory to be credible. There's also been a great deal of expert debunking of the Thierry book (which is what the article at the link is about). Some eye-witnesses thought they saw a smaller private jet flying into the Pentagon. Others thought they saw a rocket. Surveillance videos from local gas stations were confiscated immediately after the incident and never divulged. Yes, I know. People think they see lots of different things; eyewitness testimony is rarely completely consistent. However, if you go over all the eyewitness accounts, there were a whole bunch of people who were absolutely firm about having seen a big passenger jet, not a rocket or a private jet, right up close and personal. One of them was in the car behind a car that had a light pole land on it when the wing of the jet clipped the pole coming in. You'll always find outliers, eyewitnesses who saw something different from most others. That the surveillance videos were confiscated doesn't somehow prove it wasn't a plane, of course. It may not even be suspicious at all. This administration has a long history of keeping stuff secret that has no need to be secret. And as I suggested, it *may* be being withheld because releasing it would put all the conspiracy theories about its being a rocket or whatever to rest, and then these folks would start looking more closely at other material the government *really* doesn't want them investigating. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/1/06 8:14 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are too many eyewitness accounts of the plane striking the Pentagon for this theory to be credible. There's also been a great deal of expert debunking of the Thierry book (which is what the article at the link is about). Some eye-witnesses thought they saw a smaller private jet flying into the Pentagon. Others thought they saw a rocket. Surveillance videos from local gas stations were confiscated immediately after the incident and never divulged. It was pointed out that a plane of that size wouldn't punch a round hole in a building. Also, as a combat veteran near the scene pointed out planes dont sound like that- missles do That is a point too about the passenger list for that flight and, was anything ever said about the passengers on the planes at WTC- there must have been something said about them but I don't recall. There should have been some news about someone suing airport security or some such I would have thought. It is amazing that the official position on the matter hasn't completely ruined everybodys BS meter. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
on 4/1/06 10:30 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And as I suggested, it *may* be being withheld because releasing it would put all the conspiracy theories about its being a rocket or whatever to rest, and then these folks would start looking more closely at other material the government *really* doesn't want them investigating. Good theory. Disinformation is used in the UFO controversy too. Let the kooks run wild so the real evidence will be obscured by the fuss they stir up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It was pointed out that a plane of that size wouldn't punch a round hole in a building. Lots of people have pointed out things that simply aren't true. Also, as a combat veteran near the scene pointed out planes dont sound like that- missles do Not sure why the guy has problems with his hearing. That is a point too about the passenger list for that flight and, was anything ever said about the passengers on the planes at WTC-there must have been something said about them but I don't recall. What are you talking about? You're not making any sense. All *kinds* of things have been said about the passengers on the planes that hit the WTC, including detailed biographies of each of them. There should have been some news about someone suing airport security or some such I would have thought. Oh, man, you haven't been paying attention. The government started a fund for the victims' families *in return for their agreement not to sue*. This was big and continuing news several years ago. It is amazing that the official position on the matter hasn't completely ruined everybodys BS meter. N. There are all *kinds* of questions still to be answered about 9/11. But you need to become well informed about what *is* known in order to be able to ask them. Anybody who wants to engage in conspiracy theorizing needs to become familiar with what the debunkers of the conspiracy theories have said. If all you read is what the theorists are saying, you're almost certain to connect the wrong dots. There are people who *want* you to connect the wrong dots, because that way you'll never see the whole picture. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/1/06 10:30 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And as I suggested, it *may* be being withheld because releasing it would put all the conspiracy theories about its being a rocket or whatever to rest, and then these folks would start looking more closely at other material the government *really* doesn't want them investigating. Good theory. Disinformation is used in the UFO controversy too. Let the kooks run wild so the real evidence will be obscured by the fuss they stir up. Exactly. It's the oldest trick in the book, and folks keep falling for it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/1/06 8:14 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are too many eyewitness accounts of the plane striking the Pentagon for this theory to be credible. There's also been a great deal of expert debunking of the Thierry book (which is what the article at the link is about). Some eye-witnesses thought they saw a smaller private jet flying into the Pentagon. Others thought they saw a rocket. Surveillance videos from local gas stations were confiscated immediately after the incident and never divulged. Yeah, they said that about the Kennedy assasination, too: that film from cameras on Dealey Plaza were confiscated by FBI and other agencies and never seen again. Of course, we now know that there was only one gunman, Lee Oswald, who acted alone. I spit on all of these 9/11 conspiracy theories! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Story for Barry and Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There once lived a great warrior. Though quite old, he still was able to defeat any challenger. His reputation extended far and wide throughout the land and many students gathered to study under him. One day an infamous young warrior arrived at the village. He was determined to be the first man to defeat the great master. Along with his strength, he had an uncanny ability to spot and exploit any weakness in an opponent. He would wait for his opponent to make the first move, thus revealing a weakness, and then would strike with merciless force and lightning speed. No one had ever lasted with him in a match beyond the first move. Much against the advice of his concerned students, the old master gladly accepted the young warrior's challenge. As the two squared off for battle, the young warrior began to hurl insults at the old master. He threw dirt and spit in his face. For hours he verbally assaulted him with every curse and insult known to mankind. But the old warrior merely stood theremotionless and calm. Finally, the young warrior exhausted himself. Knowing he was defeated, he left feeling shamed. Somewhat disappointed that he did not fight the insolent youth, the students gathered around the old master and questioned him. How could you endure such an indignity? How did you drive him away? If someone comes to give you a gift and you do not receive it, the master replied, to whom does the gift belong? Sounds to me like a universal Law of Karma. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/1/06 8:14 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: There are too many eyewitness accounts of the plane striking the Pentagon for this theory to be credible. There's also been a great deal of expert debunking of the Thierry book (which is what the article at the link is about). Some eye-witnesses thought they saw a smaller private jet flying into the Pentagon. Others thought they saw a rocket. Surveillance videos from local gas stations were confiscated immediately after the incident and never divulged. It was pointed out that a plane of that size wouldn't punch a round hole in a building. Also, as a combat veteran near the scene pointed out planes dont sound like that- missles do That is a point too about the passenger list for that flight and, was anything ever said about the passengers on the planes at WTC- there must have been something said about them but I don't recall. There should have been some news about someone suing airport security or some such I would have thought. It is amazing that the official position on the matter hasn't completely ruined everybodys BS meter. N. No. What's amazing is that allegedly normal people like you fall for any bullshit that's put in front of them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/1/06 10:30 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: And as I suggested, it *may* be being withheld because releasing it would put all the conspiracy theories about its being a rocket or whatever to rest, and then these folks would start looking more closely at other material the government *really* doesn't want them investigating. Good theory. Disinformation is used in the UFO controversy too. Let the kooks run wild so the real evidence will be obscured by the fuss they stir up. Exactly. It's the oldest trick in the book, and folks keep falling for it. No, the oldest trick in the book is to let you THINK that the powers that be let the kooks run wild and to let you THINK that the real evidence is being obscured by the fuss they stir up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/1/06 8:14 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are too many eyewitness accounts of the plane striking the Pentagon for this theory to be credible. There's also been a great deal of expert debunking of the Thierry book (which is what the article at the link is about). Some eye-witnesses thought they saw a smaller private jet flying into the Pentagon. Others thought they saw a rocket. Surveillance videos from local gas stations were confiscated immediately after the incident and never divulged. Yeah, they said that about the Kennedy assasination, too: that film from cameras on Dealey Plaza were confiscated by FBI and other agencies and never seen again. Of course, we now know that there was only one gunman, Lee Oswald, who acted alone. We do? Perhaps you might find this book interesting: http://www.ultimatesacrificethebook.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/1/06 8:14 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: There are too many eyewitness accounts of the plane striking the Pentagon for this theory to be credible. There's also been a great deal of expert debunking of the Thierry book (which is what the article at the link is about). Some eye-witnesses thought they saw a smaller private jet flying into the Pentagon. Others thought they saw a rocket. Surveillance videos from local gas stations were confiscated immediately after the incident and never divulged. Yeah, they said that about the Kennedy assasination, too: that film from cameras on Dealey Plaza were confiscated by FBI and other agencies and never seen again. Of course, we now know that there was only one gunman, Lee Oswald, who acted alone. We do? Perhaps you might find this book interesting: http://www.ultimatesacrificethebook.com/ Do you really believe that there was more than one gunman? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi, Rick Archer, Help me out on this
Jason: You must reply right away! Yes! You did win the lottery, just like the email told you! Wow, are you ever lucky! And, Jason, when your correspondents tell you to send them $5,000 just to cover the administration costs or ask for your credit card number you just go right ahead and trust them and believe everything they tell you and send them all the money they are asking you for! Jason, the hand of God has touched you! And you're also ripe for believing all the conspiracy theories the other nutcases on this forum are spewing out! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sir Rick, I have received 5 or 6 mails from South-Africa, telling me that I have won lottery. Do you have any idea what this is all about.?? I sent a reply to one of the mails and got a second message. *** FLASH FORTUNE LOTTERY FIRST QUATER OF THE YEAR 2006 YOU ARE THE WINNER OF THE COMPUTER PROMOTIONAL DRAW THIS MESSAGE IS FROM THE PROMOTION MANAGER, INTERNATIONAL PROMOTIONS/PRIZE AWARD DEPARTMENT OMEGA CROSSING SA YOU HAVE WON ON THE COMPUTER BALLOT, THE SUM OF US$ 820,000.00 PLEASE CONTACT (MR. DAVID ZUMA) YOUR CLAIM AGENT. FOR YOUR IMMEDIATE PAYMENT CALL HIM PHONE NO. + 27-83 940 6792, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GLOBAL MEGA LOTTERY) PRIZE AWARD NOTIFICATION We are pleased to inform you of the announcement made on.. March 6TH 2006, of winners of the FLASH FORTUNE LOTTO INTERNATIONAL PROGRAMS, as part of our promotional draws. Participants were selected through a computer ballot system drawn from 2,500,000 email addresses of individuals and companies from all part of the world as part of our electronic business Promotions Program. Note that your email address qualified for the draw, as a result of your visiting various websites we are running the e-business promotions for. You/Your Company email address, attached to ticket number 100-309-7482, with serial number 513-10 drew the lucky numbers 3, 8, 13, 22, 27, 41 and Bonus number 12 and consequently YOU HAVE won in the Second Category. Your winning Ticket is Number. 343-221-8756 Your Serial Number. 454-17 Your lucky draw Numbers are. 3, 8, 13, 22, 27, 41 Bonus Number 12 Your INSURANCE Number: FLS433/453L/GMSA You have therefore been approved for a lump sum pay out of US$820,000,00 in cash, which is the winning payout for Second category winners. This is from the total prize money of US$17,650,000.00 shared among the Seven international winners in the Second category. CONGRATULATIONS! Please be informed that your transferred of the sum of US$820,000,00 is now with Omega Crossing Finance and Security Company insured with your email address which won you this prize, therefore you should contact (OMEGA CROSSING SA) your agent and give them your full names so that they will re-insure your transferred under your full names. Please note that OMEGA CROSSING your paying agent, will invite you to their office in Johannesburg South Africa for your immediate payment, you have to hurry up and contact them immediately.To begin your claim, please call your claim agent immediately, and also to send an urgent message to Mr. Nomara Chris through Phone or Email address MR. David zuma FOREIGN SERVICE MANAGER, OMEGA CROSSING SA. # 25 RICHARDS RYLAAN, AUCKLAND PARK,0083 P.O. Box 524, AUCKLANDPARK JOHANNESBURG 2001 SOUTH AFRICA TEL:27 839 406 792 EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: In order to avoid unnecessary delays and complications, please remember to quote your reference and batch numbers and other information provided above and below in every one of your correspondences with your claims agent. REFERENCE NUMBER: GML-S343-KKT-8811 BATCH NUMBER: 56T-DTH78-SAR99 FLASH FORTUNE LOTTO PROGRAM IS A BONUS FOR THE WHOLE WORLD FOR THE 2010 SOCCER WORLD Congratulations'' once again from all our staff and thank you for being part of our promotions program. Sincerely, MR. MERVIN NKUMA THE PROMOTIONS MANAGER, FLASH FORTUNE LOTTERY. 2nd Floor SABC Radio Park Building P.O. Box 91711, Auckland Park, 2006 Henley Road. Johannesburg, South Africa. OMEGA CROSSING SA GOES INTERNATIONAL AS THE 2010 WORLD CUP WILL BE HOSTED BY SOUTH AFRICA THIS PROGRAM IS SPONSURED BY: SOUTH AFRICAN LOTTO AUTHORITY. AND SUPPORTED BY: (F餩ration Internationale de Football Association) FIFA SUPPORT second message We have receive your mail and the content noted, Regarding the mode of your payment we are giving you two options which are will you be able to come down to South Africa to facilitate and claim your fund on or before 29th of March 2006 or we appoint an attorney
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi, Rick Archer, Help me out on this
P.S. Jason, you're very, very special! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason: You must reply right away! Yes! You did win the lottery, just like the email told you! Wow, are you ever lucky! And, Jason, when your correspondents tell you to send them $5,000 just to cover the administration costs or ask for your credit card number you just go right ahead and trust them and believe everything they tell you and send them all the money they are asking you for! Jason, the hand of God has touched you! And you're also ripe for believing all the conspiracy theories the other nutcases on this forum are spewing out! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: Sir Rick, I have received 5 or 6 mails from South-Africa, telling me that I have won lottery. Do you have any idea what this is all about.?? I sent a reply to one of the mails and got a second message. *** FLASH FORTUNE LOTTERY FIRST QUATER OF THE YEAR 2006 YOU ARE THE WINNER OF THE COMPUTER PROMOTIONAL DRAW THIS MESSAGE IS FROM THE PROMOTION MANAGER, INTERNATIONAL PROMOTIONS/PRIZE AWARD DEPARTMENT OMEGA CROSSING SA YOU HAVE WON ON THE COMPUTER BALLOT, THE SUM OF US$ 820,000.00 PLEASE CONTACT (MR. DAVID ZUMA) YOUR CLAIM AGENT. FOR YOUR IMMEDIATE PAYMENT CALL HIM PHONE NO. + 27-83 940 6792, email: davidzuma3030@ (GLOBAL MEGA LOTTERY) PRIZE AWARD NOTIFICATION We are pleased to inform you of the announcement made on.. March 6TH 2006, of winners of the FLASH FORTUNE LOTTO INTERNATIONAL PROGRAMS, as part of our promotional draws. Participants were selected through a computer ballot system drawn from 2,500,000 email addresses of individuals and companies from all part of the world as part of our electronic business Promotions Program. Note that your email address qualified for the draw, as a result of your visiting various websites we are running the e-business promotions for. You/Your Company email address, attached to ticket number 100-309-7482, with serial number 513-10 drew the lucky numbers 3, 8, 13, 22, 27, 41 and Bonus number 12 and consequently YOU HAVE won in the Second Category. Your winning Ticket is Number. 343-221-8756 Your Serial Number. 454-17 Your lucky draw Numbers are. 3, 8, 13, 22, 27, 41 Bonus Number 12 Your INSURANCE Number: FLS433/453L/GMSA You have therefore been approved for a lump sum pay out of US$820,000,00 in cash, which is the winning payout for Second category winners. This is from the total prize money of US$17,650,000.00 shared among the Seven international winners in the Second category. CONGRATULATIONS! Please be informed that your transferred of the sum of US$820,000,00 is now with Omega Crossing Finance and Security Company insured with your email address which won you this prize, therefore you should contact (OMEGA CROSSING SA) your agent and give them your full names so that they will re-insure your transferred under your full names. Please note that OMEGA CROSSING your paying agent, will invite you to their office in Johannesburg South Africa for your immediate payment, you have to hurry up and contact them immediately.To begin your claim, please call your claim agent immediately, and also to send an urgent message to Mr. Nomara Chris through Phone or Email address MR. David zuma FOREIGN SERVICE MANAGER, OMEGA CROSSING SA. # 25 RICHARDS RYLAAN, AUCKLAND PARK,0083 P.O. Box 524, AUCKLANDPARK JOHANNESBURG 2001 SOUTH AFRICA TEL:27 839 406 792 EMAIL: davidzuma3030@ NOTE: In order to avoid unnecessary delays and complications, please remember to quote your reference and batch numbers and other information provided above and below in every one of your correspondences with your claims agent. REFERENCE NUMBER: GML-S343-KKT-8811 BATCH NUMBER: 56T-DTH78-SAR99 FLASH FORTUNE LOTTO PROGRAM IS A BONUS FOR THE WHOLE WORLD FOR THE 2010 SOCCER WORLD Congratulations'' once again from all our staff and thank you for being part of our promotions program. Sincerely, MR. MERVIN NKUMA THE PROMOTIONS MANAGER, FLASH FORTUNE LOTTERY. 2nd Floor SABC Radio Park Building P.O. Box 91711, Auckland Park, 2006 Henley Road. Johannesburg, South Africa. OMEGA CROSSING SA GOES INTERNATIONAL AS THE 2010 WORLD CUP WILL BE HOSTED BY SOUTH AFRICA THIS PROGRAM IS SPONSURED BY: SOUTH AFRICAN LOTTO AUTHORITY. AND SUPPORTED BY: (F餩ration Internationale de Football Association) FIFA SUPPORT second message
Re: *****SPAM***** [FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi, Rick Archer, Help me out on this
In other words, Jason, it's a hoax. I get these all the time. Delete them. on 4/1/06 1:29 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason: You must reply right away! Yes! You did win the lottery, just like the email told you! Wow, are you ever lucky! And, Jason, when your correspondents tell you to send them $5,000 just to cover the administration costs or ask for your credit card number you just go right ahead and trust them and believe everything they tell you and send them all the money they are asking you for! Jason, the hand of God has touched you! And you're also ripe for believing all the conspiracy theories the other nutcases on this forum are spewing out! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sir Rick, I have received 5 or 6 mails from South-Africa, telling me that I have won lottery. Do you have any idea what this is all about.?? I sent a reply to one of the mails and got a second message. *** FLASH FORTUNE LOTTERY FIRST QUATER OF THE YEAR 2006 YOU ARE THE WINNER OF THE COMPUTER PROMOTIONAL DRAW THIS MESSAGE IS FROM THE PROMOTION MANAGER, INTERNATIONAL PROMOTIONS/PRIZE AWARD DEPARTMENT OMEGA CROSSING SA YOU HAVE WON ON THE COMPUTER BALLOT, THE SUM OF US$ 820,000.00 PLEASE CONTACT (MR. DAVID ZUMA) YOUR CLAIM AGENT. FOR YOUR IMMEDIATE PAYMENT CALL HIM PHONE NO. + 27-83 940 6792, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GLOBAL MEGA LOTTERY) PRIZE AWARD NOTIFICATION We are pleased to inform you of the announcement made on.. March 6TH 2006, of winners of the FLASH FORTUNE LOTTO INTERNATIONAL PROGRAMS, as part of our promotional draws. Participants were selected through a computer ballot system drawn from 2,500,000 email addresses of individuals and companies from all part of the world as part of our electronic business Promotions Program. Note that your email address qualified for the draw, as a result of your visiting various websites we are running the e-business promotions for. You/Your Company email address, attached to ticket number 100-309-7482, with serial number 513-10 drew the lucky numbers 3, 8, 13, 22, 27, 41 and Bonus number 12 and consequently YOU HAVE won in the Second Category. Your winning Ticket is Number. 343-221-8756 Your Serial Number. 454-17 Your lucky draw Numbers are. 3, 8, 13, 22, 27, 41 Bonus Number 12 Your INSURANCE Number: FLS433/453L/GMSA You have therefore been approved for a lump sum pay out of US$820,000,00 in cash, which is the winning payout for Second category winners. This is from the total prize money of US$17,650,000.00 shared among the Seven international winners in the Second category. CONGRATULATIONS! Please be informed that your transferred of the sum of US$820,000,00 is now with Omega Crossing Finance and Security Company insured with your email address which won you this prize, therefore you should contact (OMEGA CROSSING SA) your agent and give them your full names so that they will re-insure your transferred under your full names. Please note that OMEGA CROSSING your paying agent, will invite you to their office in Johannesburg South Africa for your immediate payment, you have to hurry up and contact them immediately.To begin your claim, please call your claim agent immediately, and also to send an urgent message to Mr. Nomara Chris through Phone or Email address MR. David zuma FOREIGN SERVICE MANAGER, OMEGA CROSSING SA. # 25 RICHARDS RYLAAN, AUCKLAND PARK,0083 P.O. Box 524, AUCKLANDPARK JOHANNESBURG 2001 SOUTH AFRICA TEL:27 839 406 792 EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: In order to avoid unnecessary delays and complications, please remember to quote your reference and batch numbers and other information provided above and below in every one of your correspondences with your claims agent. REFERENCE NUMBER: GML-S343-KKT-8811 BATCH NUMBER: 56T-DTH78-SAR99 FLASH FORTUNE LOTTO PROGRAM IS A BONUS FOR THE WHOLE WORLD FOR THE 2010 SOCCER WORLD Congratulations'' once again from all our staff and thank you for being part of our promotions program. Sincerely, MR. MERVIN NKUMA THE PROMOTIONS MANAGER, FLASH FORTUNE LOTTERY. 2nd Floor SABC Radio Park Building P.O. Box 91711, Auckland Park, 2006 Henley Road. Johannesburg, South Africa. OMEGA CROSSING SA GOES INTERNATIONAL AS THE 2010 WORLD CUP WILL BE HOSTED BY SOUTH AFRICA THIS PROGRAM IS SPONSURED BY: SOUTH AFRICAN LOTTO AUTHORITY. AND SUPPORTED BY: (F逩ration Internationale de Football Association) FIFA SUPPORT second message We have receive your mail and the content noted, Regarding the mode of your payment we are giving you two options which are will you be able to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi, Rick Archer, Help me out on this
Actually, I was suspicious in the beginning. But the sound of so much money was tempting. Then I decided to put it in the enlightened FairfieldLife to see the opinions. Thanks for your Advice shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:29:18 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi, Rick Archer, Help me out on this Jason: You must reply right away! Yes! You did win the lottery, just like the email told you! Wow, are you ever lucky! And, Jason, when your correspondents tell you to send them $5,000 just to cover the administration costs or ask for your credit card number you just go right ahead and trust them and believe everything they tell you and send them all the money they are asking you for! Jason, the hand of God has touched you! And you're also ripe for believing all the conspiracy theories the other nutcases on this forum are spewing out! New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 5 stars!
If the Translations for the remaining chapters exist, Why Can't the TM-org publish it.? Maharishi in the beginning of the Gita translation said that, each sloka in the Gita has to be interperted from the view-point of the 6 systems and 4 states of consciousness, which means there are 24 valid commentaries for each sloka of Gita. Maharishi himself has not written any commentary like that apart from that first sloka. Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:15:24 -0600Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 5 stars! OTB on Amazon (*): Couldn't be improved upon. In response to Randy LeJeune of Baton Rouge, LA: "But why stop at chapter six when the Gita has eighteen chapters? I don't get it. It's not finished. As good as what he has translated is, it would be great if he had completed the job." It WAS completed, but was not to be released until such time as was found to be appropriate according to the progress of meditators or world consciousness or both I don't know which. The eighteen chapters of the Gita may be grouped according to each set of six chapters. Each set describes life in different stages of human development. Chapters one through six talk about progression from Transcendental to Cosmic Consciousness, chapters seven through twelve describe evolution from Cosmic to God Consciousness, and the final six chapters of thirteen through eighteen delineate human progress from God Consciousness to Unity Consciousness the supreme human achievement. Beyond Unity, is Brahman Consciousness. But since this necessitates vibrating outside of the human nervous system, there is no human method of describing or validating it. So as Maharishi says: "Don't worry about it." As poor luck would have it, someone stole the remaining 12 chapters from Charlie Lutes in whose possession and safe keeping it was supposed to remain by not returning the manuscript after borrowing it from him. There is no additional copy of the original manuscript and no intention so far as I know of (circa 1994) that Maharishi ever intends to rewrite the missing chapters. Never heard that story. I heard Vernon Katz has the whole thing. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/1/06 8:14 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: There are too many eyewitness accounts of the plane striking the Pentagon for this theory to be credible. There's also been a great deal of expert debunking of the Thierry book (which is what the article at the link is about). Some eye-witnesses thought they saw a smaller private jet flying into the Pentagon. Others thought they saw a rocket. Surveillance videos from local gas stations were confiscated immediately after the incident and never divulged. Yeah, they said that about the Kennedy assasination, too: that film from cameras on Dealey Plaza were confiscated by FBI and other agencies and never seen again. Of course, we now know that there was only one gunman, Lee Oswald, who acted alone. We do? Perhaps you might find this book interesting: http://www.ultimatesacrificethebook.com/ Do you really believe that there was more than one gunman? Yes I do. The book is well documented. It took them 17 years to put it all together. Some of the information was not available until the end of the 1990s. They claim it was a mafia hit and that there was an attempt a few days earlier in Tampa. I made the same conclusion after reading a section of a college history book in the late 60's which talked about Robert Kennedy's campaign against the mafia during the JFK administration. I have Ultimate Sacrifice which is a thick book but a very interesting read. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi, Rick Archer, Help me out on this
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't answer. I have received mails and telephone calls that I have won in lotteries from abroad. The Police is warning about this stuff - the only thing they want is your bank account number - to tap the account. Ingegerd Apparently word gets around. The last time I heard from similar scammers (the Nigerian one where they are trying to smuggle a fortune out of the country, and needed my help), it was sent to a 'spam catching' email address of mine, so I replied that I had reported them to Interpol. That was a couple of years ago, and haven't heard from them or anything similar since. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Does,1here FF life have a copy they could send me of Chapt 7-18 Eng. translit?
I am willing to pay for the coping -- reproduction cost of mailing it by UPS , Fed -Exp or post to me in NY. State. [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks in advance for a reply. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/1/06 10:30 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: And as I suggested, it *may* be being withheld because releasing it would put all the conspiracy theories about its being a rocket or whatever to rest, and then these folks would start looking more closely at other material the government *really* doesn't want them investigating. Good theory. Disinformation is used in the UFO controversy too. Let the kooks run wild so the real evidence will be obscured by the fuss they stir up. Exactly. It's the oldest trick in the book, and folks keep falling for it. No, the oldest trick in the book is to let you THINK that the powers that be let the kooks run wild and to let you THINK that the real evidence is being obscured by the fuss they stir up. Um, no, Shemp, there'd be no motivation for them to do that if they were clean. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MSAE web site revamped
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Unfettered Mind series (free)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Unfettered Mind series (free) on 4/1/06 1:06 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.unfetteredmind.org/resources/audio.php I've been listening to these lectures on the way to work, which are lectures from dharma translator Ken McLeod during meditation retreats. Some enjoyable ones are: -- Awakening From Belief -- CAC 01: Chaos and Clarity --Guru, Deity, Protector ...and others... All of these are entire retreats. You can subscibe to them as podcasts of just download them. Thanks. I started listening to them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi, Rick Archer, Help me out on this
on 4/1/06 2:38 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't answer. I have received mails and telephone calls that I have won in lotteries from abroad. The Police is warning about this stuff - the only thing they want is your bank account number - to tap the account. Ingegerd Apparently word gets around. The last time I heard from similar scammers (the Nigerian one where they are trying to smuggle a fortune out of the country, and needed my help), it was sent to a 'spam catching' email address of mine, so I replied that I had reported them to Interpol. That was a couple of years ago, and haven't heard from them or anything similar since. My wife got one the other day from someone in the UK who claimed that they weren't going to live long and wanted to donate $20,000 to the animal shelter for which she works. Sounded legit, so she responded. They emailed back and asked if they could send an extra $8000 which she would donate to a wounded child, of which they included a photo. It took me about 2 minutes to find the child in snopes.com. Totally different than the child he described, but same photo. I think the way this works is, they send you the check and you send off the $8000 right away, then after a while the check they sent you bounces, so you're out $8000. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/1/06 8:14 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: There are too many eyewitness accounts of the plane striking the Pentagon for this theory to be credible. There's also been a great deal of expert debunking of the Thierry book (which is what the article at the link is about). Some eye-witnesses thought they saw a smaller private jet flying into the Pentagon. Others thought they saw a rocket. Surveillance videos from local gas stations were confiscated immediately after the incident and never divulged. Yeah, they said that about the Kennedy assasination, too: that film from cameras on Dealey Plaza were confiscated by FBI and other agencies and never seen again. Of course, we now know that there was only one gunman, Lee Oswald, who acted alone. Was thata bit of sarcasm? There's a certain question of how a known KGB-trained gunman was lost sight-of exactly at the time JFK was visiting his area... I spit on all of these 9/11 conspiracy theories! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/1/06 8:14 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: There are too many eyewitness accounts of the plane striking the Pentagon for this theory to be credible. There's also been a great deal of expert debunking of the Thierry book (which is what the article at the link is about). Some eye-witnesses thought they saw a smaller private jet flying into the Pentagon. Others thought they saw a rocket. Surveillance videos from local gas stations were confiscated immediately after the incident and never divulged. It was pointed out that a plane of that size wouldn't punch a round hole in a building. Also, as a combat veteran near the scene pointed out planes dont sound like that- missles do That is a point too about the passenger list for that flight and, was anything ever said about the passengers on the planes at WTC- there must have been something said about them but I don't recall. There should have been some news about someone suing airport security or some such I would have thought. It is amazing that the official position on the matter hasn't completely ruined everybodys BS meter. N. No. What's amazing is that allegedly normal people like you fall for any bullshit that's put in front of them. Great reply Shemp- it would lead me to ask if it isnt the majority who accept what is put in front of them by the mass media which is the greatest known scource of BS that is in error or the minority who listen to uncontrolled news scources. The round hole punched thru the inner wall in the pentagon didn't look lika a phoney picture to me. Causing an event like this and blaming it on whoever is a very old strategy to start a war with whoever. I hope it doesn't take too many more of such events before people stop believing what they are supposed to. N To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Do you really believe that there was more than one gunman? do you believe he acted all on his ownwithout ANY help from anyone else? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@
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It was pointed out that a plane of that size wouldn't punch a
round hole in a building.
Lots of people have pointed out things that simply
aren't true.
Also, as a combat veteran near the scene pointed out planes dont
sound like that- missles do
Not sure why the guy has problems with his hearing.
He doesn't. There is not even the remotest similarity
between a passing Tomahawk and passing Boeing.
Uns.
+++ Right, and, like bullets passing by close overhead, you don't
forget the sound. N.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] My Trip to India!
In a message dated 4/1/06 10:22:15 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We did meditate in front of the cosmic beings,Who are the "cosmic beings"? Shaneeka and Tyrone To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
In a message dated 4/1/06 10:32:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And as I suggested, it *may* be being withheld becausereleasing it would put all the conspiracy theoriesabout its being a rocket or whatever to rest, and thenthese folks would start looking more closely at othermaterial the government *really* doesn't want them investigating. And the theories keep growing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
In a message dated 4/1/06 10:41:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is a point too about the passenger list for that flight and,was anything ever said about the passengers on the planes at WTC-there must have been something said about them but I don't recall. There should have been some news about someone suing airportsecurity or some such I would have thought.It is amazing that the official position on the matter hasn'tcompletely ruined everybodys BS meter. N. I think quite a bit was said in the early days about the passenger lists of all the planes including talking heads( Barbara Olsen)on the plane that hit the Pentagon. The reason for all the pay outs by the Government was to keep people from suing the individual Airlines and a quick fix. In order to receive compensation one had to agree not to sue the airlines as I recall. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi, Rick Archer, Help me out on this
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I was suspicious in the beginning. But the sound of so much money was tempting. Then I decided to put it in the enlightened FairfieldLife to see the opinions. The last group of people you should go to advice for are some of the nutcases on this forum. Thanks for your Advice shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:29:18 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi, Rick Archer, Help me out on this Jason: You must reply right away! Yes! You did win the lottery, just like the email told you! Wow, are you ever lucky! And, Jason, when your correspondents tell you to send them $5,000 just to cover the administration costs or ask for your credit card number you just go right ahead and trust them and believe everything they tell you and send them all the money they are asking you for! Jason, the hand of God has touched you! And you're also ripe for believing all the conspiracy theories the other nutcases on this forum are spewing out! - New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi, Rick Archer, Help me out on this
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't answer. I have received mails and telephone calls that I have won in lotteries from abroad. The Police is warning about this stuff - the only thing they want is your bank account number - to tap the account. Ingegerd I have two clients that have been scammed on this. I'm an estate- planner and I deal mostly with senior citizens. One lost only about $3,000.00. The other lost about $250,000.00. I didn't want to go into detail with them because I would have lost my cool and would have probably ended up telling them what idiots they were and since I wanted their business (which I eventually got) I kept my big mouth shut. Somehow they were convinced to send all that money to people in Spain. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: Sir Rick, I have received 5 or 6 mails from South-Africa, telling me that I have won lottery. Do you have any idea what this is all about.?? I sent a reply to one of the mails and got a second message. *** FLASH FORTUNE LOTTERY FIRST QUATER OF THE YEAR 2006 YOU ARE THE WINNER OF THE COMPUTER PROMOTIONAL DRAW THIS MESSAGE IS FROM THE PROMOTION MANAGER, INTERNATIONAL PROMOTIONS/PRIZE AWARD DEPARTMENT OMEGA CROSSING SA YOU HAVE WON ON THE COMPUTER BALLOT, THE SUM OF US$ 820,000.00 PLEASE CONTACT (MR. DAVID ZUMA) YOUR CLAIM AGENT. FOR YOUR IMMEDIATE PAYMENT CALL HIM PHONE NO. + 27-83 940 6792, email: davidzuma3030@ (GLOBAL MEGA LOTTERY) PRIZE AWARD NOTIFICATION We are pleased to inform you of the announcement made on.. March 6TH 2006, of winners of the FLASH FORTUNE LOTTO INTERNATIONAL PROGRAMS, as part of our promotional draws. Participants were selected through a computer ballot system drawn from 2,500,000 email addresses of individuals and companies from all part of the world as part of our electronic business Promotions Program. Note that your email address qualified for the draw, as a result of your visiting various websites we are running the e-business promotions for. You/Your Company email address, attached to ticket number 100-309-7482, with serial number 513-10 drew the lucky numbers 3, 8, 13, 22, 27, 41 and Bonus number 12 and consequently YOU HAVE won in the Second Category. Your winning Ticket is Number. 343-221-8756 Your Serial Number. 454-17 Your lucky draw Numbers are. 3, 8, 13, 22, 27, 41 Bonus Number 12 Your INSURANCE Number: FLS433/453L/GMSA You have therefore been approved for a lump sum pay out of US$820,000,00 in cash, which is the winning payout for Second category winners. This is from the total prize money of US$17,650,000.00 shared among the Seven international winners in the Second category. CONGRATULATIONS! Please be informed that your transferred of the sum of US$820,000,00 is now with Omega Crossing Finance and Security Company insured with your email address which won you this prize, therefore you should contact (OMEGA CROSSING SA) your agent and give them your full names so that they will re-insure your transferred under your full names. Please note that OMEGA CROSSING your paying agent, will invite you to their office in Johannesburg South Africa for your immediate payment, you have to hurry up and contact them immediately.To begin your claim, please call your claim agent immediately, and also to send an urgent message to Mr. Nomara Chris through Phone or Email address MR. David zuma FOREIGN SERVICE MANAGER, OMEGA CROSSING SA. # 25 RICHARDS RYLAAN, AUCKLAND PARK,0083 P.O. Box 524, AUCKLANDPARK JOHANNESBURG 2001 SOUTH AFRICA TEL:27 839 406 792 EMAIL: davidzuma3030@ NOTE: In order to avoid unnecessary delays and complications, please remember to quote your reference and batch numbers and other information provided above and below in every one of your correspondences with your claims agent. REFERENCE NUMBER: GML-S343-KKT-8811 BATCH NUMBER: 56T-DTH78-SAR99 FLASH FORTUNE LOTTO PROGRAM IS A BONUS FOR THE WHOLE WORLD FOR THE 2010 SOCCER WORLD Congratulations'' once again from all our staff and thank you for being part of our promotions program. Sincerely, MR. MERVIN NKUMA THE PROMOTIONS MANAGER, FLASH FORTUNE LOTTERY. 2nd Floor SABC Radio Park Building P.O. Box 91711, Auckland Park, 2006 Henley Road. Johannesburg, South Africa. OMEGA CROSSING SA GOES INTERNATIONAL AS THE 2010 WORLD CUP WILL BE HOSTED BY SOUTH AFRICA THIS PROGRAM IS SPONSURED BY: SOUTH AFRICAN LOTTO AUTHORITY. AND SUPPORTED BY:
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/1/06 8:14 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: There are too many eyewitness accounts of the plane striking the Pentagon for this theory to be credible. There's also been a great deal of expert debunking of the Thierry book (which is what the article at the link is about). Some eye-witnesses thought they saw a smaller private jet flying into the Pentagon. Others thought they saw a rocket. Surveillance videos from local gas stations were confiscated immediately after the incident and never divulged. Yeah, they said that about the Kennedy assasination, too: that film from cameras on Dealey Plaza were confiscated by FBI and other agencies and never seen again. Of course, we now know that there was only one gunman, Lee Oswald, who acted alone. We do? Perhaps you might find this book interesting: http://www.ultimatesacrificethebook.com/ Do you really believe that there was more than one gunman? Yes I do. The book is well documented. It took them 17 years to put it all together. Some of the information was not available until the end of the 1990s. They claim it was a mafia hit and that there was an attempt a few days earlier in Tampa. I made the same conclusion after reading a section of a college history book in the late 60's which talked about Robert Kennedy's campaign against the mafia during the JFK administration. I have Ultimate Sacrifice which is a thick book but a very interesting read. I would use thick to describe something else. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does,1here FF life have a copy they could send me of Chapt 7-18 Eng. translit?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am willing to pay for the coping -- reproduction cost of mailing it by UPS , Fed -Exp or post to me in NY. State. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) thanks in advance for a reply. The Harvey Kuchners will give you a free copy of all chapters of the Gita...AND they'll give you a free supper to boot! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/1/06 10:30 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: And as I suggested, it *may* be being withheld because releasing it would put all the conspiracy theories about its being a rocket or whatever to rest, and then these folks would start looking more closely at other material the government *really* doesn't want them investigating. Good theory. Disinformation is used in the UFO controversy too. Let the kooks run wild so the real evidence will be obscured by the fuss they stir up. Exactly. It's the oldest trick in the book, and folks keep falling for it. No, the oldest trick in the book is to let you THINK that the powers that be let the kooks run wild and to let you THINK that the real evidence is being obscured by the fuss they stir up. Um, no, Shemp, there'd be no motivation for them to do that if they were clean. Uh, no, Judy, if they're clean they would do it anyway because the nutcases will run around in circles so much that they will turn into white, creamy butter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/1/06 8:14 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: There are too many eyewitness accounts of the plane striking the Pentagon for this theory to be credible. There's also been a great deal of expert debunking of the Thierry book (which is what the article at the link is about). Some eye-witnesses thought they saw a smaller private jet flying into the Pentagon. Others thought they saw a rocket. Surveillance videos from local gas stations were confiscated immediately after the incident and never divulged. Yeah, they said that about the Kennedy assasination, too: that film from cameras on Dealey Plaza were confiscated by FBI and other agencies and never seen again. Of course, we now know that there was only one gunman, Lee Oswald, who acted alone. Was thata bit of sarcasm? There's a certain question of how a known KGB-trained gunman was lost sight-of exactly at the time JFK was visiting his area... No, he was a MARINE-trained gunman. Didn't you ever see Full Metal Jacket? The platoon sits on bleachers facing HARTMAN. HARTMAN Do any of you people know who Charles Whitman was? [No response.] HARTMAN None of you dumbasses knows? [COWBOY raises his hand.] HARTMAN Private Cowboy? COWBOY Sir, he was that guy who shot all those people from that tower in Austin, Texas, sir! HARTMAN That's affirmative. Charles Whitman killed twenty people from a twenty-eight-storey observation tower at the University of Texas from distances up to four hundred yards. [HARTMAN looks around.] HARTMAN Anybody know who Lee Harvey Oswald was? [Almost everybody raises his hand.] HARTMAN Private Snowball? SNOWBALL Sir, he shot Kennedy, sir! HARTMAN That's right, and do you know how far away he was? SNOWBALL Sir, it was pretty far! From that book suppository building, sir! [The recruits laugh at suppository.] HARTMAN All right, knock it off! Two hundred and fifty feet! He was two hundred and fifty feet away and shooting at a moving target. Oswald got off three rounds with an old Italian bolt action rifle in only six seconds and scored two hits, including a head shot! Do any of you people know where these individuals learned to shoot? [JOKER raises his hand.] HARTMAN Private Joker? JOKER Sir, in the Marines, sir! HARTMAN In the Marines! Outstanding! Those individuals showed what one motivated marine and his rifle can do! And before you ladies leave my island, you will be able to do the same thing! I spit on all of these 9/11 conspiracy theories! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] the nine main Siddhis
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson
nelsonriddle2001@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
fairfieldlife@
wrote:
on 4/1/06 8:14 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
There are too many eyewitness accounts of the plane
striking the Pentagon for this theory to be credible.
There's also been a great deal of expert debunking of
the Thierry book (which is what the article at the link
is about).
Some eye-witnesses thought they saw a smaller private jet
flying
into the
Pentagon. Others thought they saw a rocket. Surveillance
videos
from
local
gas stations were confiscated immediately after the incident
and
never
divulged.
It was pointed out that a plane of that size wouldn't
punch a
round hole in a building.
Also, as a combat veteran near the scene pointed
out planes
dont
sound like that- missles do
That is a point too about the passenger list for that
flight
and,
was anything ever said about the passengers on the planes at
WTC-
there must have been something said about them but I don't
recall.
There should have been some news about someone suing
airport
security or some such I would have thought.
It is amazing that the official position on the matter
hasn't
completely ruined everybodys BS meter. N.
No. What's amazing is that allegedly normal people like you
fall
for any bullshit that's put in front of them.
Great reply Shemp- it would lead me to ask if it isnt the
majority who accept what is put in front of them by the mass media
which is the greatest known scource of BS that is in error or the
minority who listen to uncontrolled news scources.
Yes, I would certainly agree.
That is why it is so important that we have a free press so that the
marketplace of ideas can consider the widest possible explanations
and investigations into what is presented to us.
That is why the internet is the fulfillment to a free press as well.
The round hole punched thru the inner wall in the pentagon
didn't
look lika a phoney picture to me.
Causing an event like this and blaming it on whoever is a very
old strategy to start a war with whoever.
I hope it doesn't take too many more of such events before
people
stop believing what they are supposed to. N
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ [...] Do you really believe that there was more than one gunman? do you believe he acted all on his ownwithout ANY help from anyone else? Although I believe there was only one gunman, I am open to the possibility that Castro, the Mafia, or someone or some other group was behind him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ snip No, the oldest trick in the book is to let you THINK that the powers that be let the kooks run wild and to let you THINK that the real evidence is being obscured by the fuss they stir up. Um, no, Shemp, there'd be no motivation for them to do that if they were clean. There's clean and then there's clean. I can easily make the case that the Bush Administration LIKES the confusion, not because they have anything concrete to hide, but because as long as people are muttering about conspiracies they're not bitching nearly as much about gross incompetence. I kind of don't think that could be it, simply because the conspiracy theorists are in a really tiny minority. Keeping *them* distracted from the gross incompetence isn't going to be that much of a help. But because they're so highly motivated to find the dirt, distracting them from real dirt could be a *huge* help; they're likely to be the ones who find it, if there is any. And I think there is *some*. The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. I haven't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign. On the other hand, it's usually just mentioned in passing as one of the unanswered questions. I'm unaware of anyone who is seriously trying to dig up information on it. Seems to me it would be the key to the whole thing. Yet people are much more fascinated by the controlled- demolition and Where's the plane? scenarios, which just aren't going to get anywhere definitive (unless somebody 'fesses up). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ snip No, the oldest trick in the book is to let you THINK that the powers that be let the kooks run wild and to let you THINK that the real evidence is being obscured by the fuss they stir up. Um, no, Shemp, there'd be no motivation for them to do that if they were clean. There's clean and then there's clean. I can easily make the case that the Bush Administration LIKES the confusion, not because they have anything concrete to hide, but because as long as people are muttering about conspiracies they're not bitching nearly as much about gross incompetence. I kind of don't think that could be it, simply because the conspiracy theorists are in a really tiny minority. Keeping *them* distracted from the gross incompetence Gross incompetence, huh? Uh, gee, how many terrorist attacks have we had since 9/11, Judy- petooty? isn't going to be that much of a help. But because they're so highly motivated to find the dirt, distracting them from real dirt could be a *huge* help; they're likely to be the ones who find it, if there is any. And I think there is *some*. The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. I haven't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign. On the other hand, it's usually just mentioned in passing as one of the unanswered questions. I'm unaware of anyone who is seriously trying to dig up information on it. Seems to me it would be the key to the whole thing. Yet people are much more fascinated by the controlled- demolition and Where's the plane? scenarios, which just aren't going to get anywhere definitive (unless somebody 'fesses up). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ snip No, the oldest trick in the book is to let you THINK that the powers that be let the kooks run wild and to let you THINK that the real evidence is being obscured by the fuss they stir up. Um, no, Shemp, there'd be no motivation for them to do that if they were clean. There's clean and then there's clean. I can easily make the case that the Bush Administration LIKES the confusion, not because they have anything concrete to hide, but because as long as people are muttering about conspiracies they're not bitching nearly as much about gross incompetence. I kind of don't think that could be it, simply because the conspiracy theorists are in a really tiny minority. Keeping *them* distracted from the gross incompetence isn't going to be that much of a help. But because they're so highly motivated to find the dirt, distracting them from real dirt could be a *huge* help; they're likely to be the ones who find it, if there is any. And I think there is *some*. The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. Okay, Genius, here are the closing figures for the Dow Jones Industrial Average for each trading day in September 2001 before 9/11/2001. Please: show us the glaring evidence, as you put it, that something funny was going on. 10-Sep-01 9,605.51 7-Sep-01 9,605.85 6-Sep-01 9,840.84 5-Sep-01 10,033.27 4-Sep-01 9,997.49 31-Aug-01 9,949.75 I haven't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign. On the other hand, it's usually just mentioned in passing as one of the unanswered questions. I'm unaware of anyone who is seriously trying to dig up information on it. Seems to me it would be the key to the whole thing. Yet people are much more fascinated by the controlled- demolition and Where's the plane? scenarios, which just aren't going to get anywhere definitive (unless somebody 'fesses up). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Later Chapters of Gita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend: to be posted if U desire without my name, please. ... ... ... 7 or 8 yrs.ago now in May or June late 90's most likely 1999 or even the year 2000, without checking my notes in my calendar note book 4 that yr. I lunched a privately. with Vernon Katz in FF. @ a quiet restaurant in town. I asked re: the material he has. 1. the translations are fully completed. @ the commentary on each verse is fully completed as well. However he noted that from time to time both He M scholars refine the commentary's in small details for future publication. Vernon leaned over to me stated that the revised edition, just recently out by Paramahansa Yogananda was of very great excellence. Maharishi stated to him now that's excellently done. I need no longer refine it. it was now NOT needed to publicize this - - their works on The later chapters of the Bhagavad Gita. I took that to mean Maharishi attention would now longer need to focus on this matter as this had come out was available to seekers if they looked. I also understand but not from Vernon I do not now recall whom that our Purusha uses this 2 Volumes, work for there understanding of alter chapters etc. A couple of years ago, having really enjoyed Autobiography of a Yogi, I purchased the Paramahansa Yogananda translation of the Gita in 2 volumes, Chaps. 1-5 and 6-18. I haven't read much of it, but looking it over now I can recommend it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Time Cover Story on Global Warming
Sunday, Mar. 26, 2006 Polar Ice Caps Are Melting Faster Than Ever... More And More Land Is Being Devastated By Drought... Rising Waters Are Drowning Low-Lying Communities... By Any Measure, Earth Is At ... The Tipping Point The climate is crashing, and global warming is to blame. Why the crisis hit so soon--and what we can do about it By JEFFREY KLUGER No one can say exactly what it looks like when a planet takes ill, but it probably looks a lot like Earth. Never mind what you've heard about global warming as a slow-motion emergency that would take decades to play out. Suddenly and unexpectedly, the crisis is upon us. It certainly looked that way last week as the atmospheric bomb that was Cyclone Larry--a Category 4 storm with wind bursts that reached 125 m.p.h.--exploded through northeastern Australia. It certainly looked that way last year as curtains of fire and dust turned the skies of Indonesia orange, thanks to drought-fueled blazes sweeping the island nation. It certainly looks that way as sections of ice the size of small states calve from the disintegrating Arctic and Antarctic. And it certainly looks that way as the sodden wreckage of New Orleans continues to molder, while the waters of the Atlantic gather themselves for a new hurricane season just two months away. Disasters have always been with us and surely always will be. But when they hit this hard and come this fast--when the emergency becomes commonplace--something has gone grievously wrong. That something is global warming. The image of Earth as organism--famously dubbed Gaia by environmentalist James Lovelock-- has probably been overworked, but that's not to say the planet can't behave like a living thing, and these days, it's a living thing fighting a fever. From heat waves to storms to floods to fires to massive glacial melts, the global climate seems to be crashing around us. Scientists have been calling this shot for decades. This is precisely what they have been warning would happen if we continued pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, trapping the heat that flows in from the sun and raising global temperatures. Environmentalists and lawmakers spent years shouting at one another about whether the grim forecasts were true, but in the past five years or so, the serious debate has quietly ended. Global warming, even most skeptics have concluded, is the real deal, and human activity has been causing it. If there was any consolation, it was that the glacial pace of nature would give us decades or even centuries to sort out the problem. But glaciers, it turns out, can move with surprising speed, and so can nature. What few people reckoned on was that global climate systems are booby-trapped with tipping points and feedback loops, thresholds past which the slow creep of environmental decay gives way to sudden and self-perpetuating collapse. Pump enough CO2 into the sky, and that last part per million of greenhouse gas behaves like the 212th degree Fahrenheit that turns a pot of hot water into a plume of billowing steam. Melt enough Greenland ice, and you reach the point at which you're not simply dripping meltwater into the sea but dumping whole glaciers. By one recent measure, several Greenland ice sheets have doubled their rate of slide, and just last week the journal Science published a study suggesting that by the end of the century, the world could be locked in to an eventual rise in sea levels of as much as 20 ft. Nature, it seems, has finally got a bellyful of us. Things are happening a lot faster than anyone predicted, says Bill Chameides, chief scientist for the advocacy group Environmental Defense and a former professor of atmospheric chemistry. The last 12 months have been alarming. Adds Ruth Curry of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts: The ripple through the scientific community is palpable. And it's not just scientists who are taking notice. Even as nature crosses its tipping points, the public seems to have reached its own. For years, popular skepticism about climatological science stood in the way of addressing the problem, but the naysayers--many of whom were on the payroll of energy companies--have become an increasingly marginalized breed. In a new TIME/ ABC News/ Stanford University poll, 85% of respondents agree that global warming probably is happening. Moreover, most respondents say they want some action taken. Of those polled, 87% believe the government should either encourage or require lowering of power-plant emissions, and 85% think something should be done to get cars to use less gasoline. Even Evangelical Christians, once one of the most reliable columns in the conservative base, are demanding action, most notably in February, when 86 Christian leaders formed the Evangelical Climate Initiative, demanding that Congress regulate greenhouse gases. A collection of new global-warming books is hitting the shelves in response to that awakening interest, followed closely by TV and
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/1/06 10:41:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is a point too about the passenger list for that flight and, was anything ever said about the passengers on the planes at WTC- there must have been something said about them but I don't recall. There should have been some news about someone suing airport security or some such I would have thought. It is amazing that the official position on the matter hasn't completely ruined everybodys BS meter. N. I think quite a bit was said in the early days about the passenger lists of all the planes including talking heads( Barbara Olsen) on the plane that hit the Pentagon. The reason for all the pay outs by the Government was to keep people from suing the individual Airlines and a quick fix. In order to receive compensation one had to agree not to sue the airlines as I recall. Thanks- I had missed that in the reports I had read. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Global Warming Scam
The Global Warming Scam by Nima Sanandaji and Fred Goldberg by Nima Sanandaji and Fred Goldberg The media portrays a dramatic image of how the ice is melting in the polar regions as a consequence of global warming. We are warned that the North Pole might become icefree during the summer months at the end of this century and that the polar bears might become extinct due to this development. But is this really a realistic image? Sure, there is research that indicates that the ice sheets are being reduced, but there are also studies that show the complete opposite. An example of this is a study in the scientific journal Geophysical Research Letter where the Swedish researcher Peter Winsor compares data collected by submarines below the Arctic ice. His conclusions are that the thickness of the ice has been almost constant between 1986 and 1997. If you look at the South Pole there are studies that show an increase in the mass of the ice. In a study published in the journal Nature a number of polar researchers showed that they had observed a net cooling of 0.7 degrees in the region between 1986 and 2000. Another study published in Science showed that the East-Antarctic ice sheet had grown with 45 million metric tones between 1992 and 2003. Are the ices growing or melting? The simple answer is that there exist studies that point to both directions, perhaps indicating that scientists know relatively little about global climate. But what counts to most ordinary people is what media is reporting, and media is often highlighting the most alarming studies and seldom report of studies that go against the notion that human activity leads to global warming. To put it simply, the news is filtered through an environmentalist view of the world. An interesting example of how media sometimes gets it wrong is how journalists reported that there had never been so little ice in the Arctic than in 2005. This claim was based on satellite images by NASA which showed that the geographic extent of the ice sheet had never been so small since measurement began in 1979. One must however keep in fact that about half of the ice in the Arctic melts each summer and that two months before this measurment the extent of the ice sheet was the same as the previous year. The problem is that satellite images show the surface of the ice but not the thickness. Capten Årnell at the summer expedition with the polar-ship Oden could tell that he had never seen so much ice in the Arctic than in 2005. It was with great difficulty that he had passed through the region. What had happened in 2005 seems to be that the ice had packed densely against the Canadian part of the Arctic. The geographical extent had been reduced but the ice was thicker. As for polar bears, much points to that their numbers are increasing rather than diminishing. Mitch Taylor, a Canadian expert on animal populations, estimates that the number of polar bears in Canada has increased from 12 000 to 15 000 the past decade. Steven C Amstrup and his college have studied a population of polar bears in Alaska and reported that the number of females had increased from 600 to 900 between 1976 and 1992. Even a report from the WWF which is entitled Polar bears at risk and warns that the populations of the polar bears might become extinct due to global warming, supports that the number of polar bears is increasing. In the report the polar bears in the world are divided into 20 populations. It shows out that only 2 of these populations are decreasing, while 10 are stable, 5 are growing and 3 are not possible to comment about. Global climate is an important issue to debate, but it is sad that what is communicated often has a clear shifting towards the worst- case scenarios and the doomsday theories. There is no reason to scare people by giving them only one side of the argument. March 18, 2006 Nima Sanandaji [send him mail] is president of the Swedish think tank Captus and the editor of Captus Journal. He is a graduate student in biochemistry at the University of Cambridge. Fred Goldberg is associate professor at the Royal School of Technology in Stockholm and was on a Polar trip whilst writing this article. Copyright © 2006 LewRockwell.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I think there is *some*. The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. I haven't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign. From the Loose Change video, their argument was that trading in Boeing options volume was 2x,3x and 5x or something some days or weeks prior to 9/11. In itself, that means nothing. Stock or option volume can vary widely -- on any number of factors -- including quite mundane and benign ones. Look to the Force Luke (and Judy) -- aka the statistics 101 class you took years ago. How many standard deviations from the mean was the event(s)? The above numbers could have been 1 SD -- quite frequent, or a six-sigma event --- very, very rare. Present the statistics (Yahoo Finance may have), then make a case. For fun I might look up the data and see. I bet it was an event happening once every 3-12 months, or 1-4 times a year or more. And why focus only on Boeing? If the market as a whole dumped after 9/11 (after market reopenened in 3-4 days, as I recall. Why not just short the SP 500 or buy puts options on the SP 500. That would be much harder to see and trace anomolies due to volume. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ snip No, the oldest trick in the book is to let you THINK that the powers that be let the kooks run wild and to let you THINK that the real evidence is being obscured by the fuss they stir up. Um, no, Shemp, there'd be no motivation for them to do that if they were clean. There's clean and then there's clean. I can easily make the case that the Bush Administration LIKES the confusion, not because they have anything concrete to hide, but because as long as people are muttering about conspiracies they're not bitching nearly as much about gross incompetence. I kind of don't think that could be it, simply because the conspiracy theorists are in a really tiny minority. Keeping *them* distracted from the gross incompetence isn't going to be that much of a help. But because they're so highly motivated to find the dirt, distracting them from real dirt could be a *huge* help; they're likely to be the ones who find it, if there is any. And I think there is *some*. The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. I haven't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign. On the other hand, it's usually just mentioned in passing as one of the unanswered questions. I'm unaware of anyone who is seriously trying to dig up information on it. Seems to me it would be the key to the whole thing. Yet people are much more fascinated by the controlled- demolition and Where's the plane? scenarios, which just aren't going to get anywhere definitive (unless somebody 'fesses up). Money trail- great point, if there was a positive ID on it all, it would remove most if not all the speculation. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Also, as a combat veteran near the scene pointed out planes dont sound like that- missles do Not sure why the guy has problems with his hearing. He doesn't. There is not even the remotest similarity between a passing Tomahawk and passing Boeing. I can't say why he thought he heard a missile, but given the very substantial number of people who reported seeing a passenger plane, plus all kinds of other hard evidence (like five clipped light poles along the plane's path whose locations indicate the plane's wingspan was at least 100 feet), I'm not inclined to take this one guy's word for it that the sound was wrong. Eyewitness testimony generally is *very* unreliable, especially with regard to a traumatic event. But it's a *lot* more likely that one guy's ears (or his memory of what he heard) were malfunctioning than that almost 100 people mistook a missile for a passenger jet. And then there's the light poles... For more info on why it had to be a plane, see: http://eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/ This guy is also a conspiracy theorist; he thinks there was a bomb involved and makes an interesting case for this. But he also provides all kinds of evidence that a big commercial jet hit the Pentagon. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam
I am currently reading State of Fear by Michael Critcheon -- with a global warming theme. The book makes some good points about the selectivity of the media -- particularly that written by non-scientists -- which is almost all the articles. And the biases and agendas of environmetal groups --not unique -- all NGOs and non-profits get a bit twisted in making their message regarding complex issues understandable -- and critical enough to drive continued funding. I laughed when I saw the title of the Time article Be Scared, Be Very, Very Scarred .. (or similar) becuase that is the theme and title of the book -- the state of fear created by media (to get ratings and ad dollars), NGOs to raise funds, politicians to get vots, universities -- well for multiple reasons. But some facts aka claims in the article are new (to me) and alarming. I do seek, the larger balanced picture. Shemps article is interesting, though I would like to see those claims countered also. With climate scince, it is so complex, take any part of the proverbial elephant and one can make a compelling case for or against. However the argument no longer appears to be is there an greenhouse effect occurring, rather, how strong is it, what are the ramifications,how soon will they occur, how much is man-made vs. natural cycles, and what can be done to mitigate the most damaging effects. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Global Warming Scam by Nima Sanandaji and Fred Goldberg by Nima Sanandaji and Fred Goldberg The media portrays a dramatic image of how the ice is melting in the polar regions as a consequence of global warming. We are warned that the North Pole might become icefree during the summer months at the end of this century and that the polar bears might become extinct due to this development. But is this really a realistic image? Sure, there is research that indicates that the ice sheets are being reduced, but there are also studies that show the complete opposite. An example of this is a study in the scientific journal Geophysical Research Letter where the Swedish researcher Peter Winsor compares data collected by submarines below the Arctic ice. His conclusions are that the thickness of the ice has been almost constant between 1986 and 1997. If you look at the South Pole there are studies that show an increase in the mass of the ice. In a study published in the journal Nature a number of polar researchers showed that they had observed a net cooling of 0.7 degrees in the region between 1986 and 2000. Another study published in Science showed that the East-Antarctic ice sheet had grown with 45 million metric tones between 1992 and 2003. Are the ices growing or melting? The simple answer is that there exist studies that point to both directions, perhaps indicating that scientists know relatively little about global climate. But what counts to most ordinary people is what media is reporting, and media is often highlighting the most alarming studies and seldom report of studies that go against the notion that human activity leads to global warming. To put it simply, the news is filtered through an environmentalist view of the world. An interesting example of how media sometimes gets it wrong is how journalists reported that there had never been so little ice in the Arctic than in 2005. This claim was based on satellite images by NASA which showed that the geographic extent of the ice sheet had never been so small since measurement began in 1979. One must however keep in fact that about half of the ice in the Arctic melts each summer and that two months before this measurment the extent of the ice sheet was the same as the previous year. The problem is that satellite images show the surface of the ice but not the thickness. Capten Årnell at the summer expedition with the polar-ship Oden could tell that he had never seen so much ice in the Arctic than in 2005. It was with great difficulty that he had passed through the region. What had happened in 2005 seems to be that the ice had packed densely against the Canadian part of the Arctic. The geographical extent had been reduced but the ice was thicker. As for polar bears, much points to that their numbers are increasing rather than diminishing. Mitch Taylor, a Canadian expert on animal populations, estimates that the number of polar bears in Canada has increased from 12 000 to 15 000 the past decade. Steven C Amstrup and his college have studied a population of polar bears in Alaska and reported that the number of females had increased from 600 to 900 between 1976 and 1992. Even a report from the WWF which is entitled Polar bears at risk and warns that the populations of the polar bears might become extinct due to global warming, supports that the number of polar bears is increasing. In the report the polar
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ snip No, the oldest trick in the book is to let you THINK that the powers that be let the kooks run wild and to let you THINK that the real evidence is being obscured by the fuss they stir up. Um, no, Shemp, there'd be no motivation for them to do that if they were clean. There's clean and then there's clean. I can easily make the case that the Bush Administration LIKES the confusion, not because they have anything concrete to hide, but because as long as people are muttering about conspiracies they're not bitching nearly as much about gross incompetence. I kind of don't think that could be it, simply because the conspiracy theorists are in a really tiny minority. Keeping *them* distracted from the gross incompetence Gross incompetence, huh? Yup. Uh, gee, how many terrorist attacks have we had since 9/11, Judy- petooty? Non sequitur. How many did we have *on* 9/11? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 4/1/06 6:01:50 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Great reply Shemp- it would lead me to ask if it isnt the
majority who accept what is put in front of them by the mass media
which is the greatest known scource of BS that is in error or the
minority who listen to uncontrolled news scources.
Isn't this what Rush calls the drive by media?
+++ Right- all reading the same pre-approved list of facts originating
at the end of the money trail. N.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: And I think there is *some*. The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. I haven't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign. From the Loose Change video, their argument was that trading in Boeing options volume was 2x,3x and 5x or something some days or weeks prior to 9/11. In itself, that means nothing. Stock or option volume can vary widely -- on any number of factors -- including quite mundane and benign ones. Look to the Force Luke (and Judy) -- aka the statistics 101 class you took years ago. How many standard deviations from the mean was the event(s)? The above numbers could have been 1 SD -- quite frequent, or a six-sigma event --- very, very rare. Present the statistics (Yahoo Finance may have), then make a case. For fun I might look up the data and see. I bet it was an event happening once every 3-12 months, or 1-4 times a year or more. And why focus only on Boeing? If the market as a whole dumped after 9/11 (after market reopenened in 3-4 days, as I recall. Why not just short the SP 500 or buy puts options on the SP 500. That would be much harder to see and trace anomolies due to volume. Fortunately, the good people at Yahoo! Finance lets you see the historical trading volume and prices for any given stock. For Boeing from August 1, 2001 to September 11, 2001, here is the daily volume and closing prices of the stock (hey, I got to do another tiny url!): http://tinyurl.com/ncl7l One can take any stock and do similar research for it. So I fully expect Judy-Petooty to roll up her sleeves and back up the nutty statement she made in a previous post regarding that this is where the key evidence is to be found. Get to work, Judy! I think the video referred to Boeing OPTIONS not stock. The volume options is usually more volatile than stocks. But even the stock, in July, had 4:1 spikes in volume. Not so unusual. And I am sure the options volume fluctuated more. Supporting Shemps point, and my point in adjacent post. A 4:1 spike means nothing by itself. One needs to see how many standard deviations from the mean that is. Or some other appropriate statistical test -- e.g., a regression line of options volume, and deviations from it. Which supports the point I made in an adjacent post. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ snip No, the oldest trick in the book is to let you THINK that the powers that be let the kooks run wild and to let you THINK that the real evidence is being obscured by the fuss they stir up. Um, no, Shemp, there'd be no motivation for them to do that if they were clean. There's clean and then there's clean. I can easily make the case that the Bush Administration LIKES the confusion, not because they have anything concrete to hide, but because as long as people are muttering about conspiracies they're not bitching nearly as much about gross incompetence. I kind of don't think that could be it, simply because the conspiracy theorists are in a really tiny minority. Keeping *them* distracted from the gross incompetence Gross incompetence, huh? Yup. Uh, gee, how many terrorist attacks have we had since 9/11, Judy- petooty? Non sequitur. How many did we have *on* 9/11? Quite a few. And that's why Bush responded. Has his responses been successful or not? Well, how many terrorist attacks have we had since? Is this not a legitimate question? Is this not a legitimate criterion (at least one of several) that can be used to determine the success of Bush's actions? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: And I think there is *some*. The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. I haven't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign. From the Loose Change video, their argument was that trading in Boeing options volume was 2x,3x and 5x or something some days or weeks prior to 9/11. In itself, that means nothing. Stock or option volume can vary widely -- on any number of factors -- including quite mundane and benign ones. Look to the Force Luke (and Judy) -- aka the statistics 101 class you took years ago. How many standard deviations from the mean was the event(s)? The above numbers could have been 1 SD -- quite frequent, or a six-sigma event --- very, very rare. Present the statistics (Yahoo Finance may have), then make a case. For fun I might look up the data and see. I bet it was an event happening once every 3-12 months, or 1-4 times a year or more. And why focus only on Boeing? If the market as a whole dumped after 9/11 (after market reopenened in 3-4 days, as I recall. Why not just short the SP 500 or buy puts options on the SP 500. That would be much harder to see and trace anomolies due to volume. Fortunately, the good people at Yahoo! Finance lets you see the historical trading volume and prices for any given stock. For Boeing from August 1, 2001 to September 11, 2001, here is the daily volume and closing prices of the stock (hey, I got to do another tiny url!): http://tinyurl.com/ncl7l One can take any stock and do similar research for it. So I fully expect Judy-Petooty to roll up her sleeves and back up the nutty statement she made in a previous post regarding that this is where the key evidence is to be found. Get to work, Judy! And if I heard it correctly, I believe the video said $28 million was made on the options. Hardly much of a sum for the cost and ramifications of creating 9/11. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip And I think there is *some*. The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. Okay, Genius, here are the closing figures for the Dow Jones Industrial Average for each trading day in September 2001 before 9/11/2001. Please: show us the glaring evidence, as you put it, that something funny was going on. Non sequitur. Shemp, you don't even know what the issue is here. Go inform yourself, then get back to me, OK? No, Judy, it is YOU who are making the claim. Now back it up if you can. And I've given you a great tool to do your research: Yahoo! Finance. Now, roll up your sleeves and do the research so you can back up your claim. Get to it! Now! 10-Sep-01 9,605.51 7-Sep-01 9,605.85 6-Sep-01 9,840.84 5-Sep-01 10,033.27 4-Sep-01 9,997.49 31-Aug-01 9,949.75 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: And I think there is *some*. The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. I haven't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign. From the Loose Change video, their argument was that trading in Boeing options volume was 2x,3x and 5x or something some days or weeks prior to 9/11. In itself, that means nothing. Stock or option volume can vary widely -- on any number of factors -- including quite mundane and benign ones. Look to the Force Luke (and Judy) -- aka the statistics 101 class you took years ago. How many standard deviations from the mean was the event(s)? The above numbers could have been 1 SD -- quite frequent, or a six-sigma event --- very, very rare. Present the statistics (Yahoo Finance may have), then make a case. For fun I might look up the data and see. I bet it was an event happening once every 3-12 months, or 1-4 times a year or more. And why focus only on Boeing? If the market as a whole dumped after 9/11 (after market reopenened in 3-4 days, as I recall. Why not just short the SP 500 or buy puts options on the SP 500. That would be much harder to see and trace anomolies due to volume. Fortunately, the good people at Yahoo! Finance lets you see the historical trading volume and prices for any given stock. For Boeing from August 1, 2001 to September 11, 2001, here is the daily volume and closing prices of the stock (hey, I got to do another tiny url!): http://tinyurl.com/ncl7l One can take any stock and do similar research for it. So I fully expect Judy-Petooty to roll up her sleeves and back up the nutty statement she made in a previous post regarding that this is where the key evidence is to be found. Get to work, Judy! I think the video referred to Boeing OPTIONS not stock. I haven't looked yet, but I think one can research historical options prices on Yahoo! also. If not I'm sure there is a record somewhere of it. The volume options is usually more volatile than stocks. But even the stock, in July, had 4:1 spikes in volume. Not so unusual. And I am sure the options volume fluctuated more. Supporting Shemps point, and my point in adjacent post. A 4:1 spike means nothing by itself. One needs to see how many standard deviations from the mean that is. Or some other appropriate statistical test -- e.g., a regression line of options volume, and deviations from it. Which supports the point I made in an adjacent post. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: And I think there is *some*. The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. I haven't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign. From the Loose Change video, their argument was that trading in Boeing options volume was 2x,3x and 5x or something some days or weeks prior to 9/11. In itself, that means nothing. Stock or option volume can vary widely -- on any number of factors -- including quite mundane and benign ones. Look to the Force Luke (and Judy) -- aka the statistics 101 class you took years ago. How many standard deviations from the mean was the event(s)? The above numbers could have been 1 SD -- quite frequent, or a six-sigma event --- very, very rare. Present the statistics (Yahoo Finance may have), then make a case. For fun I might look up the data and see. I bet it was an event happening once every 3-12 months, or 1-4 times a year or more. And why focus only on Boeing? If the market as a whole dumped after 9/11 (after market reopenened in 3-4 days, as I recall. Why not just short the SP 500 or buy puts options on the SP 500. That would be much harder to see and trace anomolies due to volume. Fortunately, the good people at Yahoo! Finance lets you see the historical trading volume and prices for any given stock. For Boeing from August 1, 2001 to September 11, 2001, here is the daily volume and closing prices of the stock (hey, I got to do another tiny url!): http://tinyurl.com/ncl7l One can take any stock and do similar research for it. So I fully expect Judy-Petooty to roll up her sleeves and back up the nutty statement she made in a previous post regarding that this is where the key evidence is to be found. Get to work, Judy! And if I heard it correctly, I believe the video said $28 million was made on the options. Hardly much of a sum for the cost and ramifications of creating 9/11. $28 million would be a snivel. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: And I think there is *some*. The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. I haven't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign. From the Loose Change video, their argument was that trading in Boeing options volume was 2x,3x and 5x or something some days or weeks prior to 9/11. In itself, that means nothing. Stock or option volume can vary widely -- on any number of factors -- including quite mundane and benign ones. Look to the Force Luke (and Judy) -- aka the statistics 101 class you took years ago. How many standard deviations from the mean was the event(s)? The above numbers could have been 1 SD -- quite frequent, or a six- sigma event --- very, very rare. Present the statistics (Yahoo Finance may have), then make a case. For fun I might look up the data and see. I bet it was an event happening once every 3-12 months, or 1-4 times a year or more. And why focus only on Boeing? If the market as a whole dumped after 9/11 (after market reopenened in 3-4 days, as I recall. Why not just short the SP 500 or buy puts options on the SP 500. That would be much harder to see and trace anomolies due to volume. Read this and get back to me, OK? http://tinyurl.com/bmjgg Didn't have anything to do with Boeing. It *did* have to do with put options, nearly 100 times greater than normal on American Airlines, for example. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: And I think there is *some*. The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. I haven't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign. From the Loose Change video, their argument was that trading in Boeing options volume was 2x,3x and 5x or something some days or weeks prior to 9/11. In itself, that means nothing. Stock or option volume can vary widely -- on any number of factors -- including quite mundane and benign ones. Look to the Force Luke (and Judy) -- aka the statistics 101 class you took years ago. How many standard deviations from the mean was the event(s)? The above numbers could have been 1 SD -- quite frequent, or a six-sigma event --- very, very rare. Present the statistics (Yahoo Finance may have), then make a case. For fun I might look up the data and see. I bet it was an event happening once every 3-12 months, or 1-4 times a year or more. And why focus only on Boeing? If the market as a whole dumped after 9/11 (after market reopenened in 3-4 days, as I recall. Why not just short the SP 500 or buy puts options on the SP 500. That would be much harder to see and trace anomolies due to volume. Fortunately, the good people at Yahoo! Finance lets you see the historical trading volume and prices for any given stock. For Boeing from August 1, 2001 to September 11, 2001, here is the daily volume and closing prices of the stock (hey, I got to do another tiny url!): http://tinyurl.com/ncl7l One can take any stock and do similar research for it. So I fully expect Judy-Petooty to roll up her sleeves and back up the nutty statement she made in a previous post regarding that this is where the key evidence is to be found. Get to work, Judy! Shemp, how many times have you embarrassed yourself by reading something into what I wrote that I never said? Add one more to the list. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think the video referred to Boeing OPTIONS not stock. Options is right; Boeing is wrong. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: And I think there is *some*. The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. I haven't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign. From the Loose Change video, their argument was that trading in Boeing options volume was 2x,3x and 5x or something some days or weeks prior to 9/11. In itself, that means nothing. Stock or option volume can vary widely -- on any number of factors -- including quite mundane and benign ones. Look to the Force Luke (and Judy) -- aka the statistics 101 class you took years ago. How many standard deviations from the mean was the event(s)? The above numbers could have been 1 SD -- quite frequent, or a six- sigma event --- very, very rare. Present the statistics (Yahoo Finance may have), then make a case. For fun I might look up the data and see. I bet it was an event happening once every 3-12 months, or 1-4 times a year or more. And why focus only on Boeing? If the market as a whole dumped after 9/11 (after market reopenened in 3-4 days, as I recall. Why not just short the SP 500 or buy puts options on the SP 500. That would be much harder to see and trace anomolies due to volume. Read this and get back to me, OK? http://tinyurl.com/bmjgg Didn't have anything to do with Boeing. It *did* have to do with put options, nearly 100 times greater than normal on American Airlines, for example. Boeing options was my recollection from the video. And the deviations observered was three days of volumes 2x, 3x and 5x normal. Or similar. Are you saying you heard something completely different from the video? I may have got it jumbled. Anyone listening to it afresh, can you provide a rough transcript of this part. I was simply referencing (my recollection of) the video, not definatively cataloging all claims of abnormal trading prior to 9/11. Your cited article, below, does provide some more extreme trading variations. I will look at the data. (Though the source seems to be some fringe group -- at first glance looks a kooky right-wing group, but thats a 10-second, non-firm impression.) American Airlines saw a 6,000 percent jump in put options above normal the day before the attacks. However, there was no similar trading activity on any other airlines, according to market reports. The brokerage houses that had offices in the WTC, Morgan Stanley and Merrill-Lynch, saw 27-fold and 12-fold increases in the purchases of put options on their respective shares between Sept. 7 and Sept. 10. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ snip No, the oldest trick in the book is to let you THINK that the powers that be let the kooks run wild and to let you THINK that the real evidence is being obscured by the fuss they stir up. Um, no, Shemp, there'd be no motivation for them to do that if they were clean. There's clean and then there's clean. I can easily make the case that the Bush Administration LIKES the confusion, not because they have anything concrete to hide, but because as long as people are muttering about conspiracies they're not bitching nearly as much about gross incompetence. I kind of don't think that could be it, simply because the conspiracy theorists are in a really tiny minority. Keeping *them* distracted from the gross incompetence Gross incompetence, huh? Yup. Uh, gee, how many terrorist attacks have we had since 9/11, Judy-petooty? Non sequitur. How many did we have *on* 9/11? Quite a few. And that's why Bush responded. Ever heard the expression Locking the barn door after the horse has bolted? Has his responses been successful or not? Well, how many terrorist attacks have we had since? Is this not a legitimate question? Is this not a legitimate criterion (at least one of several) that can be used to determine the success of Bush's actions? Not in response to what I wrote, Shemp. That makes two to add to your list of self- embarrassments with regard to my posts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip And I think there is *some*. The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. Okay, Genius, here are the closing figures for the Dow Jones Industrial Average for each trading day in September 2001 before 9/11/2001. Please: show us the glaring evidence, as you put it, that something funny was going on. Non sequitur. Shemp, you don't even know what the issue is here. Go inform yourself, then get back to me, OK? No, Judy, it is YOU who are making the claim. Now back it up if you can. And I've given you a great tool to do your research: Yahoo! Finance. Now, roll up your sleeves and do the research so you can back up your claim. Get to it! Now! Shemp, I'm not even going to discuss it with you until you've informed yourself as to what the question *is*. It'll take you less time than it did to fool around with Yahoo. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip I think the video referred to Boeing OPTIONS not stock. I haven't looked yet, but I think one can research historical options prices on Yahoo! also. If not I'm sure there is a record somewhere of it. Don't bother looking up Boeing options. Actually you don't need to bother looking up *any* options. Just find one of the many articles that details what they were. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Boeing options was my recollection from the video. They may have said Boeing, but I've never heard anything about funny business with Boeing options. The video may have just gotten it wrong (which makes you wonder how reliable the rest of it is). snip I was simply referencing (my recollection of) the video, not definatively cataloging all claims of abnormal trading prior to 9/11. ? Your cited article, below, does provide some more extreme trading variations. I will look at the data. (Though the source seems to be some fringe group -- at first glance looks a kooky right-wing group, but thats a 10-second, non-firm impression.) I think it is a fringe group, but it was the first site I found. There have been *many* articles on this, including in the mainstream media. This is just a recap. American Airlines saw a 6,000 percent jump in put options above normal the day before the attacks. However, there was no similar trading activity on any other airlines, according to market reports. The brokerage houses that had offices in the WTC, Morgan Stanley and Merrill-Lynch, saw 27-fold and 12-fold increases in the purchases of put options on their respective shares between Sept. 7 and Sept. 10. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip Boeing options was my recollection from the video. They may have said Boeing, but I've never heard anything about funny business with Boeing options. The video may have just gotten it wrong (which makes you wonder how reliable the rest of it is). snip I was simply referencing (my recollection of) the video, not definatively cataloging all claims of abnormal trading prior to 9/11. ? Your cited article, below, does provide some more extreme trading variations. I will look at the data. (Though the source seems to be some fringe group -- at first glance looks a kooky right-wing group, but thats a 10-second, non-firm impression.) I think it is a fringe group, but it was the first site I found. There have been *many* articles on this, including in the mainstream media. This is just a recap. American Airlines saw a 6,000 percent jump in put options above normal the day before the attacks. However, there was no similar trading activity on any other airlines, according to market reports. The brokerage houses that had offices in the WTC, Morgan Stanley and Merrill-Lynch, saw 27-fold and 12-fold increases in the purchases of put options on their respective shares between Sept. 7 and Sept. 10. Ok I checked the video.About 5 minutes into it, it says, On Sept 6, 3150 put options on AA 4x daily put volume average. On Sept 7, 27,294 put options on Boeing 5x daily put volume average. On Sept 10, 4516 put options on AA 11x daily put volume average. So both were cited. There were more than 3x Boeing options than American. The above 11x is quite a bit smaller than 60x or nearly 100x cited by artical and you. 11x seems in normal range. 100x does seem high. And it all hinges on what period one uses for averaging. I will take a look at the raw data (one of these days, maybe sooner) and provide an assessment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ snip No, the oldest trick in the book is to let you THINK that the powers that be let the kooks run wild and to let you THINK that the real evidence is being obscured by the fuss they stir up. Um, no, Shemp, there'd be no motivation for them to do that if they were clean. There's clean and then there's clean. I can easily make the case that the Bush Administration LIKES the confusion, not because they have anything concrete to hide, but because as long as people are muttering about conspiracies they're not bitching nearly as much about gross incompetence. I kind of don't think that could be it, simply because the conspiracy theorists are in a really tiny minority. Keeping *them* distracted from the gross incompetence Gross incompetence, huh? Yup. Uh, gee, how many terrorist attacks have we had since 9/11, Judy- petooty? Non sequitur. How many did we have *on* 9/11? Quite a few. And that's why Bush responded. Has his responses been successful or not? Well, how many terrorist attacks have we had since? Is this not a legitimate question? Is this not a legitimate criterion (at least one of several) that can be used to determine the success of Bush's actions? +++ Is gross incompetence part of the plan? It looks like it has been a sucess in the war-having a controlled slow down in oil production so the oil interests will have less work to do per dollar. WTC- sucess in setting up fear based homeland security. Remember the colorful alert levels prior to the election and how they seemed to be forgotton afterwards. If Houston blows up,on purpose, we could end up with terrorist fear based martial law and the need to bomb the rest of the mid East. I would rather be a nut case like Shemp says than see it happen but, if I lived in Texas, I would seriously be considering mooving to Iowa. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: And I think there is *some*. The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. I haven't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign. From the Loose Change video, their argument was that trading in Boeing options volume was 2x,3x and 5x or something some days or weeks prior to 9/11. In itself, that means nothing. Stock or option volume can vary widely -- on any number of factors -- including quite mundane and benign ones. Look to the Force Luke (and Judy) -- aka the statistics 101 class you took years ago. How many standard deviations from the mean was the event(s)? The above numbers could have been 1 SD -- quite frequent, or a six-sigma event --- very, very rare. Present the statistics (Yahoo Finance may have), then make a case. For fun I might look up the data and see. I bet it was an event happening once every 3-12 months, or 1-4 times a year or more. And why focus only on Boeing? If the market as a whole dumped after 9/11 (after market reopenened in 3-4 days, as I recall. Why not just short the SP 500 or buy puts options on the SP 500. That would be much harder to see and trace anomolies due to volume. Fortunately, the good people at Yahoo! Finance lets you see the historical trading volume and prices for any given stock. For Boeing from August 1, 2001 to September 11, 2001, here is the daily volume and closing prices of the stock (hey, I got to do another tiny url!): http://tinyurl.com/ncl7l One can take any stock and do similar research for it. So I fully expect Judy-Petooty to roll up her sleeves and back up the nutty statement she made in a previous post regarding that this is where the key evidence is to be found. Get to work, Judy! And if I heard it correctly, I believe the video said $28 million was made on the options. Hardly much of a sum for the cost and ramifications of creating 9/11. $28 million would be a snivel. +++ Still not too bad as a collateral benefit. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Ok I checked the video.About 5 minutes into it, it says, On Sept 6, 3150 put options on AA 4x daily put volume average. On Sept 7, 27,294 put options on Boeing 5x daily put volume average. On Sept 10, 4516 put options on AA 11x daily put volume average. So both were cited. There were more than 3x Boeing options than American. The above 11x is quite a bit smaller than 60x or nearly 100x cited by artical and you. 11x seems in normal range. 100x does seem high. And it all hinges on what period one uses for averaging. I will take a look at the raw data (one of these days, maybe sooner) and provide an assessment. I can't speak to the specific figures. But here's an article from the San Francisco Chronicle from September 29, 2001, that discusses the anomalies in more general terms: http://tinyurl.com/hc6tk And a follow-up from October 3: http://tinyurl.com/fh3sl Here's one from April 2003 from the Sierra Times in Nevada (not really mainstream but goes into some detail): http://www.sierratimes.com/03/04/10/gaddy.htm From CNN.com, September 24, 2001: http://tinyurl.com/ho227 And the News Telegraph (UK), September 23, 2001: http://tinyurl.com/j943h Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip Boeing options was my recollection from the video. They may have said Boeing, but I've never heard anything about funny business with Boeing options. The video may have just gotten it wrong (which makes you wonder how reliable the rest of it is). snip I was simply referencing (my recollection of) the video, not definatively cataloging all claims of abnormal trading prior to 9/11. ? Your cited article, below, does provide some more extreme trading variations. I will look at the data. (Though the source seems to be some fringe group -- at first glance looks a kooky right-wing group, but thats a 10-second, non-firm impression.) I think it is a fringe group, but it was the first site I found. There have been *many* articles on this, including in the mainstream media. This is just a recap. American Airlines saw a 6,000 percent jump in put options above normal the day before the attacks. However, there was no similar trading activity on any other airlines, according to market reports. The brokerage houses that had offices in the WTC, Morgan Stanley and Merrill-Lynch, saw 27-fold and 12-fold increases in the purchases of put options on their respective shares between Sept. 7 and Sept. 10. Ok I checked the video.About 5 minutes into it, it says, On Sept 6, 3150 put options on AA 4x daily put volume average. On Sept 7, 27,294 put options on Boeing 5x daily put volume average. On Sept 10, 4516 put options on AA 11x daily put volume average. So both were cited. There were more than 3x Boeing options than American. The above 11x is quite a bit smaller than 60x or nearly 100x cited by artical and you. 11x seems in normal range. 100x does seem high. And it all hinges on what period one uses for averaging. I will take a look at the raw data (one of these days, maybe sooner) and provide an assessment. haha, I just noticed -- within 4 days, a less than 50% increase in AMR puts volume was cited as resulting in almost a tripling in comparing daily averages (4x vs 11x). Thus, either they are using bad data, OR they are using a different interval of days to calculate daily averages for sept 6 and sept 10. Which is totally bogus. Or simply using THAT day's average. Thats crap as far as seeing if the figures are statistically abnormal. The daily average should be calculated over at least 30 trading days, better, over a year. The figures were sliced, diced and cherry picked. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And if I heard it correctly, I believe the video said $28 million was made on the options. Hardly much of a sum for the cost and ramifications of creating 9/11. I've heard as much as a billion was made on various purchases, not just the stock options. But the thought is not that the people who planned the attacks who made the purchases, but rather other people who had information that they were going to take place. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/1/06 8:14 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: There are too many eyewitness accounts of the plane striking the Pentagon for this theory to be credible. There's also been a great deal of expert debunking of the Thierry book (which is what the article at the link is about). Some eye-witnesses thought they saw a smaller private jet flying into the Pentagon. Others thought they saw a rocket. Surveillance videos from local gas stations were confiscated immediately after the incident and never divulged. Yeah, they said that about the Kennedy assasination, too: that film from cameras on Dealey Plaza were confiscated by FBI and other agencies and never seen again. Of course, we now know that there was only one gunman, Lee Oswald, who acted alone. Was thata bit of sarcasm? There's a certain question of how a known KGB-trained gunman was lost sight-of exactly at the time JFK was visiting his area... No, he was a MARINE-trained gunman. Didn't you ever see Full Metal Jacket? He also had some level of contact with the soviets, and visited Russia before he shot Kennedy. My recollection was that he was a known security risk who was being tracked by various agencies who lost track of him just before he shot Kennedy. Convenient that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip haha, I just noticed -- within 4 days, a less than 50% increase in AMR puts volume was cited as resulting in almost a tripling in comparing daily averages (4x vs 11x). Thus, either they are using bad data, OR they are using a different interval of days to calculate daily averages for sept 6 and sept 10. Which is totally bogus. Or simply using THAT day's average. Thats crap as far as seeing if the figures are statistically abnormal. The daily average should be calculated over at least 30 trading days, better, over a year. The figures were sliced, diced and cherry picked. Whatever the problems with the figures in this specific article, suspicious trading prior to 9/11 was *very* widely reported in the major news media. The 9/11 commission even investigated it, concluding there were innocuous explanations, but without saying what they were. I believe the SEC investigated also, but did not release a report. I'm astonished that so many of you weren't aware that this was a major concern after the attacks. It isn't just something the conspiracy theorists dreamed up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ [...] Do you really believe that there was more than one gunman? do you believe he acted all on his ownwithout ANY help from anyone else? Although I believe there was only one gunman, I am open to the possibility that Castro, the Mafia, or someone or some other group was behind him. Atthe very least, I think a case can be made that security was lax around JFK at that time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ snip No, the oldest trick in the book is to let you THINK that the powers that be let the kooks run wild and to let you THINK that the real evidence is being obscured by the fuss they stir up. Um, no, Shemp, there'd be no motivation for them to do that if they were clean. There's clean and then there's clean. I can easily make the case that the Bush Administration LIKES the confusion, not because they have anything concrete to hide, but because as long as people are muttering about conspiracies they're not bitching nearly as much about gross incompetence. I kind of don't think that could be it, simply because the conspiracy theorists are in a really tiny minority. Keeping *them* distracted from the gross incompetence Gross incompetence, huh? Uh, gee, how many terrorist attacks have we had since 9/11, Judy- petooty? Er, how many before? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 4/1/06 6:01:50 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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Great reply Shemp- it would lead me to ask if it isnt the
majority who accept what is put in front of them by the mass media
which is the greatest known scource of BS that is in error or the
minority who listen to uncontrolled news scources.
Isn't this what Rush calls the drive by media?
SO what is he, a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ snip No, the oldest trick in the book is to let you THINK that the powers that be let the kooks run wild and to let you THINK that the real evidence is being obscured by the fuss they stir up. Um, no, Shemp, there'd be no motivation for them to do that if they were clean. There's clean and then there's clean. I can easily make the case that the Bush Administration LIKES the confusion, not because they have anything concrete to hide, but because as long as people are muttering about conspiracies they're not bitching nearly as much about gross incompetence. I kind of don't think that could be it, simply because the conspiracy theorists are in a really tiny minority. Keeping *them* distracted from the gross incompetence isn't going to be that much of a help. But because they're so highly motivated to find the dirt, distracting them from real dirt could be a *huge* help; they're likely to be the ones who find it, if there is any. And I think there is *some*. The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. Okay, Genius, here are the closing figures for the Dow Jones Industrial Average for each trading day in September 2001 before 9/11/2001. Please: show us the glaring evidence, as you put it, that something funny was going on. 10-Sep-01 9,605.51 7-Sep-01 9,605.85 6-Sep-01 9,840.84 5-Sep-01 10,033.27 4-Sep-01 9,997.49 31-Aug-01 9,949.75 Insider trading activity for certain companies directly affected by the 9/11 attack spiked just before 9/11. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/1/06 8:14 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: There are too many eyewitness accounts of the plane striking the Pentagon for this theory to be credible. There's also been a great deal of expert debunking of the Thierry book (which is what the article at the link is about). Some eye-witnesses thought they saw a smaller private jet flying into the Pentagon. Others thought they saw a rocket. Surveillance videos from local gas stations were confiscated immediately after the incident and never divulged. Yeah, they said that about the Kennedy assasination, too: that film from cameras on Dealey Plaza were confiscated by FBI and other agencies and never seen again. Of course, we now know that there was only one gunman, Lee Oswald, who acted alone. Was thata bit of sarcasm? There's a certain question of how a known KGB-trained gunman was lost sight-of exactly at the time JFK was visiting his area... No, he was a MARINE-trained gunman. Didn't you ever see Full Metal Jacket? He also had some level of contact with the soviets, and visited Russia before he shot Kennedy. My recollection was that he was a known security risk who was being tracked by various agencies who lost track of him just before he shot Kennedy. Convenient that. ++ I believe his wife Marina was Russian. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After you finish reading State of Fear please let us know what your impressions are... I do know that many inthe scientific community are kicking themselves that they haven't done a better job of challenging/refuting Chricton (sp) inthe media. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] $28 million would be a snivel. Not for the terrorists or whoever was involved in financing them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: And I think there is *some*. The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. I haven't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign. From the Loose Change video, their argument was that trading in Boeing options volume was 2x,3x and 5x or something some days or weeks prior to 9/11. In itself, that means nothing. Stock or option volume can vary widely -- on any number of factors -- including quite mundane and benign ones. Look to the Force Luke (and Judy) -- aka the statistics 101 class you took years ago. How many standard deviations from the mean was the event(s)? The above numbers could have been 1 SD -- quite frequent, or a six-sigma event --- very, very rare. Present the statistics (Yahoo Finance may have), then make a case. For fun I might look up the data and see. I bet it was an event happening once every 3-12 months, or 1-4 times a year or more. And why focus only on Boeing? If the market as a whole dumped after 9/11 (after market reopenened in 3-4 days, as I recall. Why not just short the SP 500 or buy puts options on the SP 500. That would be much harder to see and trace anomolies due to volume. Fortunately, the good people at Yahoo! Finance lets you see the historical trading volume and prices for any given stock. For Boeing from August 1, 2001 to September 11, 2001, here is the daily volume and closing prices of the stock (hey, I got to do another tiny url!): http://tinyurl.com/ncl7l One can take any stock and do similar research for it. So I fully expect Judy-Petooty to roll up her sleeves and back up the nutty statement she made in a previous post regarding that this is where the key evidence is to be found. Get to work, Judy! And if I heard it correctly, I believe the video said $28 million was made on the options. Hardly much of a sum for the cost and ramifications of creating 9/11. But if the terrorists were hoping to cash in on their own actions to help fund future actions, would be a nice sum of cash by THEIR standards. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ [...] Do you really believe that there was more than one gunman? do you believe he acted all on his ownwithout ANY help from anyone else? Although I believe there was only one gunman, I am open to the possibility that Castro, the Mafia, or someone or some other group was behind him. Atthe very least, I think a case can be made that security was lax around JFK at that time. +++ I believe his travel route was changed at the last minute and so there wasn't time to sanitize it So how was Oswald able to set himself up if it was a last minute change? Just about every COngressional hearing I've read/seen seems to avoid asking obvious questions, and accepts really blatantly strange answers as truthful without pursuing clarification. I mean, look at how mocking Ollie North was of Congress at his trial. Look at the odd case of the radio operator who never tried to radio Hawaii with a warning because he'd tried to contact Perl Harbor earlier about something else and couldn't get through so he didn't bother to try again. Etc. Congress only finds what they want to find. Another trivia point was some speculation that JFK was advocating some major change in the monetary system- making it have some stable basis or being free of any foriegn influence or some such. There was some conjecture that president Lincoln was into something similar which was a common denominator in getting them both shot. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ [...] Do you really believe that there was more than one gunman? do you believe he acted all on his ownwithout ANY help from anyone else? Although I believe there was only one gunman, I am open to the possibility that Castro, the Mafia, or someone or some other group was behind him. Atthe very least, I think a case can be made that security was lax around JFK at that time. +++ I believe his travel route was changed at the last minute and so there wasn't time to sanitize it So how was Oswald able to set himself up if it was a last minute change? snip +++ The change was made so the car would go past the building that Oswald was in. I guess the congressional investigations will believe strange things as well as the people who elected them. It's just a few of us nut cases that want real answers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
