[FairfieldLife] Re: Ginseng and other Chinese tonic herbs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A mechanical engineering manager friend of mine, along with > his 2 sons harvested wild genseng from the mountains of NE > PA for years. Their best markets, he said, were in Japan > and China. This was in the early 1980's. It surprised me. > I didn't even know that it grew here. My karate teacher told an interesting story from his father's youth in Japan. He said that their father told the kids that he used to go out into the mountains at night to hunt ginseng -- with bows and arrows. According to the story (the veracity of which I have no reason to doubt, but which I do not know for sure is true), the variety of ginseng they were searching for is hard to find in the daylight because the plants are sensitive to vibration. If humans approach, the minor vibrations of their footsteps are detected by the plant, which then "curls up" the way some ferns do and "hides," making the plants difficult to find. But this particular variety tends to grow in naturally-radioactive soil, and glows faintly in the dark. So they would go out at night, and when they saw a glow in the distance, they would shoot an arrow at the glow, and then go back in the morning and find the arrows, and with them, the ginseng plants they were hunting for. Again, I don't know for sure that this is true, but it certainly is a fascinating story. It also provides an explanation for why some cultures value the older ginseng roots, the ones that have managed to survive in the wild for decades. On some level, the plants don't really "want" to be found and harvested; they strive to survive. This quality is one of the reasons that some feel that ginseng is beneficial as a tonic, and wild, old ginseng even more beneficial. For those who are interested in definitions of the different tonic herbs and what they are beneficial for, Ron's site (this particular section originally created by my friend, who used to be a TM teacher) has a great page that documents them: http://www.dragonherbs.com/herbs/index.asp A visit to Ron's store/home in L.A. is a real adventure, if you ever have the chance. Being able to see the herbs in big bins, in their natural form, is quite different from seeing them in powdered form, in capsules or as a tea. You can actually feel some of the "vibe" of the different herbs, some of them quite distinctly. My personal favorites are astralagus, reishi (one of the world's most proven anti- carcinogens), cordyceps, dragon bone (a mineral), schizandra, lyceum, polyrachis (really a type of ant), and male silk moth. The last two are extremely potent male sex tonics. For the ladies, Ron makes a female sex tonic that (his store being in L.A. and all) is one of his biggest sellers. :-) My favorite of all the herbs I was ever able to try is Tibetan rhodiola: http://www.dragonherbs.com/herbs/herbs.asp?herb_id=12040 It's a variety of rose/rose hip that only grows above the snow line in Tibet, and that has been used for centuries by the Dalai Lamas for both health and spiritual purposes. It's one of the world's great oxygenators, and has been used by Olympic teams in the past to help their athletes develop more "wind." In Tibet, it is used by high-altitude climbers and guides to cope with high (above 19,000 feet) altitudes and to prevent altitude sickness. Among Tibetan monks, the same substance has been known for a long time to develop wisdom and facilitate spiritual experience. If anyone is tempted to order some from Ron and experiment, I offer one caveat -- it tastes really, really, really bad. It took Ron months to develop a tea containing it that was actually drinkable. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" wrote: > > > > b. It's [Israel] the only place Jews can call home. > > Other than the various countries they are citizens of, you mean? A good point. Can you point to any other religion on the planet that has a nation specifically reserved as (or even considered as) "home" to members of that religion? I somehow doubt that Muslims in other parts of the world consider Saudi Arabia "home," or that Buddhists consider Bhutan "home," even though it has a state religion of Buddhism. Fundamentalist Christians may be working to turn America into such a place, but they'll never succeed. I've been a nomad pretty much all my life, and thus don't have the same feelings about pieces of land being "home" that some people do. I carry my "home" with me, and I don't mean my household items. I go there every time I meditate, and often get to live there 24/7 in activity, *wherever* I am in the world. Where's to "go?" What's to "own?" I just don't understand obsessing on some patch of real estate as "home." The more I think about it, the more I agree with the person here (I forget who it was) who suggested that religion is a disease. It has certainly killed a shitload of humans on this planet, and continues to do so today. T'would seem, with today's News, that even those who are trying to stop the war and observe it and help the victims are considered legitimate targets. I'm sorry, but that's insanity, not faith. Home is not some patch of dirt; it's within. Those who are willing to kill to protect the patch of dirt they mistake for "home" have IMO created a set of karmas that will probably prevent them from accessing their real home for some lifetimes to come. As Bruce Cockburn says in a song on his new album: God's too big to fit in a book Nothing's too big to fit in my heart Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > wrote: > > > > > > b. It's [Israel] the only place Jews can call home. > > > > Other than the various countries they are citizens of, you mean? > > A good point. Can you point to any other religion on > the planet that has a nation specifically reserved > as (or even considered as) "home" to members of that > religion? > > I somehow doubt that Muslims in other parts of the > world consider Saudi Arabia "home," [snip] They have a number of sacred sites they consider "home." Mecka and Jerusalem are two. Ayodha was another. One could say that the manner in which Islam designates certain places as "Holy" followed by attempting to appropriate these places can be viewed as an MO of territorial expansion in itself. "Religious imperialism," if you will. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/24/06 10:02:11 P.M. Central Daylight > Time, > > > > larry.potter@ writes: > > > > > > > > If the Palestinians are indeed a myth, then the real question > > > > becomes "Why?" Why invent an imaginary people? The answer is, > the > > > > myth of the Palestinian people serves as the justification > for > > > the > > > > Arab occupation of the Land of Israel. While the Arabs > already > > > > possess 21 sovereign countries of their own (more than any > other > > > > people on earth) and control a land mass 800 times the size > of > > > the > > > > Land of Israel, this is apparently not enough for them. They > > > > therefore feel the need to rob the Jews of their one and only > > > > country, one of the smallest on the planet. Unfortunately, > many > > > > people ignorant of the history of the region, including much > of > > > the > > > > world media, are only too willing to help. > > > > > > > > Yehezkel Bin-Nun 2002 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was always an Arab/ Israeli conflict until the sixties then > it > > > was > > > > repackaged into an Israeli/ Palestinian conflict to gain > sympathy > > > for the Arab > > > > cause to drive Israel into the sea. > > > > > > > > > > Ditto. > > > > > > > > > Hmmm, so the presence of the Palestinians didn't enter into the > situation until the 1967 > > war? > > > > The term 'plastenian people' was made up and used by the media in > the last 15 years or so. > > All those Arabs, who now call themselves "Palestinians" etc. are in > fact scavengers who invaded Israel from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon etc>> Palestinian Jews, and Palestinian Arabs were terms used since long before Israel was created in 1949. It is used as a term on international documents from the early part of this century. I have very large Bible from 1850's that has big map with a clearly defined country marked on it (much like the one today) that is called "Palestine" and is colored in gold color. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/24/06 10:52:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , MDixon6569@, MDi > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/24/06 9:58:41 P.M. Central Daylight > Time, > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > You have been brainwashed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _PLO leader: There is no Palestinian nation; it is an invention > > to destroy > > > Isra_ (http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/18157)>> > > > > ROFLMAO ! > > > > Israel was invented ny the British for strategic reasons and > because > > of a wealthy Jewish lobby in London at the time. Your own US > > DEPARTMENT OF STATE's says it: > > > > ""The creation of the State of Israel in 1948 was preceded by more > > than 50 years of efforts to establish a sovereign nation as a > > homeland for Jews. These efforts were initiated by Theodore Herzl, > > founder of the Zionist movement, and were given added impetus by > the > > Balfour Declaration of 1917, which asserted the British > Government's > > support for the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.""" > > http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3581.htm > > > > Notice the phrase "The creation of the State of Israel" (meaning > it > > never existed before, and notice the words the creation of a > Jewish > > homeland in Palestine"...Note "in Palestine" > > > > Your own state dept. is contradicting you. > > > > (I never said Palestine made it to being a state state in UN, > > because the Jewish Palestinians annexed it as it was being born, > > then put the Arab Palestinians into Apartheid and caused many of > the > > live in Lebanon. ) > > > > off_world, there is no connection between what the media calls > today 'the Palestinian people' > and Palestine the land, the thread addressed that but you managed to > skip it. > > FYI, > Jews had maintained a connection with Palestine, both actual and > spiritual. This continued even after the Bar Kochba revolt in 135, > when large numbers of Jews were exiled from Roman Palestine, the > remains of their ancient national home. The Jewish community in > Palestine revived. Under Muslim rule, it is estimated to have > numbered as many as 300,000 prior to the Crusades, about 1000 AD. > The Crusaders killed most of the Jewish population of Palestine or > forced them into exile, so that only about 1,000 families remained > after the reconquest of Palestine by Saladin. The Jewish community > in Palestine waxed and waned with the vicissitudes of conquest and > economic hardship. > > Since it's hard for you to grasp it: Palestine belonged to the Jews > and the Jews were forced out to exile.>> The jews were a small tribe occupying a tiny area, as were all the desert tirbes. Not a lot of people loved there. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/24/06 10:02:11 P.M. Central Daylight > > Time, > > > > > larry.potter@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > If the Palestinians are indeed a myth, then the real > question > > > > > becomes "Why?" Why invent an imaginary people? The answer > is, > > the > > > > > myth of the Palestinian people serves as the justification > > for > > > > the > > > > > Arab occupation of the Land of Israel. While the Arabs > > already > > > > > possess 21 sovereign countries of their own (more than any > > other > > > > > people on earth) and control a land mass 800 times the size > > of > > > > the > > > > > Land of Israel, this is apparently not enough for them. > They > > > > > therefore feel the need to rob the Jews of their one and > only > > > > > country, one of the smallest on the planet. Unfortunately, > > many > > > > > people ignorant of the history of the region, including > much > > of > > > > the > > > > > world media, are only too willing to help. > > > > > > > > > > Yehezkel Bin-Nun 2002 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was always an Arab/ Israeli conflict until the sixties > then > > it > > > > was > > > > > repackaged into an Israeli/ Palestinian conflict to gain > > sympathy > > > > for the Arab > > > > > cause to drive Israel into the sea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ditto. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm, so the presence of the Palestinians didn't enter into the > > situation until the 1967 > > > war? > > > > > > > The term 'plastenian people' was made up and used by the media in > > the last 15 years or so. > > > > All those Arabs, who now call themselves "Palestinians" etc. are > in > > fact scavengers who invaded Israel from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon etc>> > > > Palestinian Jews, and Palestinian Arabs were terms used since long > before Israel was created in 1949. It is used as a term on > international documents from the early part of this century. I have > very large Bible from 1850's that has big map with a clearly defined > country marked on it (much like the one today) that is > called "Palestine" and is colored in gold color. > > OffWorld In addition, on this Christian Bible from the 1850's there is no Israel on the mapanywhere. It was not even considered a notion even by the Jews. It is a new notion started by a zionist zealot in London, late 19th centurey, who was a member of a powerful Jewish lobby in London. Your own US state department website states this. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:08 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: Let's clarify by referring to Mahesh's own (unpublished) translation of the YS of Patanjali and how he *clearly defines* "transcending. In his translation, MMB defines it thusly: I know your use of the terms "Mahesh" and "MMB" [Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi] are meant to somehow be demeaning towards Maharishi, but I found some definitions of those terms which may cause you to rethink your inadvertent further glorification of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: *Mahesh* = Lord Shiva Lord Indra, also called *Bhogi*, the God of thunder and rain. Perhaps you should just refer to Maharishi as His Holiness as you do the Dalai Lama, since you are using equivalent terms anyway. Or continue to refer to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as Lord Shiva or Lord Indra. Your choice... The Balding Dude with the Long White Beard works for me... Yeah but BDLWB is a bit wieldy! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpionland: worst drought in century
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > today's Wall Street Journal: > > England is having its worst drought in 100 years -- >folks are growing cactus in their gardens You talk crap, bbrigante. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
But those big courses are fun. I was at Amherst in '79 and then at MIU for the winter one (was that 84 or 85). Both were really amazing. I don't know if our collective consciousness actually does anything, but the subjective experiences are incredible when you have large numbers doing program together. --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dude, you better go! Or else, "the world" is going > to explode!!! > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Wow! iI've never heard this rhetoric, er, news, > > before! > > > > --- Dick Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > "You have the Key to the Gate of Heaven, and now > > > everyone is going to > > > enjoy you opening the Gate for the whole world." > > > -Maharishi, speaking today to the Invincible > America > > > Course participants > > > > > > "The experience of the Invincible America Course > in > > > Washington is paradise." > > > -Dr. Dean Dodrill, Raja of Washington > > > > > > HISTORIC NEWS > > > Super Radiance Requirement Surpassed! > > > (JULY 25) As of 12:00 noon (CDT) today, 1737 > Yogic > > > Flyers have > > > applied to attend the Invincible America Course, > > > surpassing the Super > > > Radiance requirement of 1730 for the nation. > > > Congratulations to all > > > those who have responded so quickly to the > urgent > > > need of the time. > > > Now, it is vitally important that all of you who > > > have registered for > > > the course come quickly and fly together every > day > > > in Washington and > > > in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City. > > > > > > It is also vitally important that all of you who > > > have not yet applied > > > please do so right away! Come as soon as you > can-and > > > stay as long as > > > you can! > > > > > > PRESS REPORT FROM THE FIRST DAY > > > Positivity Increases and Negativity Decreases > > > The stock market is the most sensitive barometer > of > > > the national mood > > > and of the level of confidence in the country's > > > future. > > > > > > The Associated Press reported today that the > stock > > > market recorded > > > one of its largest one-day gains of the year, > with > > > the Dow Jones > > > skyrocketing 183 points, surpassing the key > 11,000 > > > level. CNBC > > > national television headlined the surprising > stock > > > market upsurge > > > with "Wall Street Euphoria" and "Blissful > Shock." > > > CNBC added that the > > > only blue chip stock in negative territory was > the > > > Phillip Morris > > > cigarette company. > > > > > > SCHOLARSHIPS: MONEY IS NOT AN OBSTACLE! > > > Due to the great generosity of several > peace-loving > > > donors, any Yogic > > > Flyer who wishes to attend the Invincible > America > > > Course in > > > Washington, D.C., may do so for as long as he or > she > > > wants! Simply > > > apply for the Course at > www.InvincibleAmerica.org, > > > and specify your > > > financial needs. We urge everyone to take > advantage > > > of this > > > incredible opportunity. > > > > > > NOTE ON COURSE ACCEPTANCES > > > Several people who had not received the email > > > confirmation of their > > > course acceptance from the Development of > > > Consciousness Office in > > > Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City discovered that > their > > > acceptances had > > > been routed to their spam folders. So if you are > > > still awaiting your > > > course acceptance, please check your spam > folder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and > poor with hope and healing > http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:55 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:*Mahesh* = Lord Shiva Lord Indra, also called *Bhogi*, the God of thunder and rain.Cool! Perhaps you should just refer to Maharishi as His Holiness as you do the Dalai Lama, since you are using equivalent terms anyway. Or continue to refer to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as Lord Shiva or Lord Indra. Your choice... In the case of the Dalai Lama, this name is conferred based on accomplishment and conferred by living Buddhas. It has a specific meaning.In the case of Mahesh, "Maharishi" is an assumed name, as is "yogi". These were never conferred by the Shankaracharya tradition he originally came from, nor are they indicative of accomplishment. Since SBS and current Shankaracharyas refer to him as "Mahesh", it is probably respectful to the tradition to follow this tradition (rather than the spin).-Mahavaj Yogi __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But those big courses are fun. I was at Amherst in '79 > and then at MIU for the winter one (was that 84 or > 85). Both were really amazing. I don't know if our > collective consciousness actually does anything, but > the subjective experiences are incredible when you > have large numbers doing program together. I agree. Personally, I attribute the subjective "high" to large numbers of people meditating together, and don't think that the siddhis have anything whatsoever to do with it, but I agree that large courses can be fun. Plus, I think that everyone senses that this may be the last of them. Maharishi isn't going to live forever, and when he goes, I have not seen any indication that *anyone* else within the TM movement could inspire more than a handful of people to come to a course. They could plead and cry and beg and claim that the world is going to end if people don't come, and everyone would ignore them, because they just don't have the chops to pull that sort of thing off. Not one of them. As I've said in another context recently, not one of them has done anything to *deserve* such faith or to inspire the necessary suspension of disbelief. And not one of them is likely to in any of our lifetimes. So IMO this will probably be the Last Big Course, even though I suspect that Maharishi will see the final numbers as disappointing. I think that may be the biggest reason many people are attending, and that they don't really believe any more that they're going to affect world conditions. They're attending out of a sense of nostalgia for the "good old days" and out of a lingering and quickly diminishing respect for the guy who *used* to be able to inspire them. That said, I wish all of those who have attended the best, and I hope they have a great time. At this point in TM history, those within the TMO who still have the faith to do so are far more impressive than those who are trying to exploit it. > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dude, you better go! Or else, "the world" is going > > to explode!!! > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Wow! iI've never heard this rhetoric, er, news, > > > before! > > > > > > --- Dick Mays wrote: > > > > > > > "You have the Key to the Gate of Heaven, and now > > > > everyone is going to > > > > enjoy you opening the Gate for the whole world." > > > > -Maharishi, speaking today to the Invincible > > America > > > > Course participants > > > > > > > > "The experience of the Invincible America Course > > in > > > > Washington is paradise." > > > > -Dr. Dean Dodrill, Raja of Washington > > > > > > > > HISTORIC NEWS > > > > Super Radiance Requirement Surpassed! > > > > (JULY 25) As of 12:00 noon (CDT) today, 1737 > > Yogic > > > > Flyers have > > > > applied to attend the Invincible America Course, > > > > surpassing the Super > > > > Radiance requirement of 1730 for the nation. > > > > Congratulations to all > > > > those who have responded so quickly to the > > urgent > > > > need of the time. > > > > Now, it is vitally important that all of you who > > > > have registered for > > > > the course come quickly and fly together every > > day > > > > in Washington and > > > > in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City. > > > > > > > > It is also vitally important that all of you who > > > > have not yet applied > > > > please do so right away! Come as soon as you > > can-and > > > > stay as long as > > > > you can! > > > > > > > > PRESS REPORT FROM THE FIRST DAY > > > > Positivity Increases and Negativity Decreases > > > > The stock market is the most sensitive barometer > > of > > > > the national mood > > > > and of the level of confidence in the country's > > > > future. > > > > > > > > The Associated Press reported today that the > > stock > > > > market recorded > > > > one of its largest one-day gains of the year, > > with > > > > the Dow Jones > > > > skyrocketing 183 points, surpassing the key > > 11,000 > > > > level. CNBC > > > > national television headlined the surprising > > stock > > > > market upsurge > > > > with "Wall Street Euphoria" and "Blissful > > Shock." > > > > CNBC added that the > > > > only blue chip stock in negative territory was > > the > > > > Phillip Morris > > > > cigarette company. > > > > > > > > SCHOLARSHIPS: MONEY IS NOT AN OBSTACLE! > > > > Due to the great generosity of several > > peace-loving > > > > donors, any Yogic > > > > Flyer who wishes to attend the Invincible > > America > > > > Course in > > > > Washington, D.C., may do so for as long as he or > > she > > > > wants! Simply > > > > apply for the Course at > > www.InvincibleAmerica.org, > > > > and specify your > > > > financial needs. We urge everyone to take > > advantage > > > > of this > > > > incredible opportunity. > > > > > > > > NOTE ON COURSE ACCEPTANCES > > > > Several people who had not received the e
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
I sympathise with Vaj on this issue. There is something kinda creepy & oppressive about having to call someone a 'Maharishi' if one doesn't think he is one, or 'His Holiness', or even 'Yogi' (remember that MMY had to get someone else to put together the simple yogasana exercises that were introduced back in the mid-sixties). So one is left either to use the generally accepted 'The Maharishi' (regardless of why this term came to be used by the press back in the sixties). It is a bit unwieldy to use the name Balbrahmachari Shri Maheshji by which he is credited on an edition of 'Amrit Kana' (his compilation of Guru Dev's quotations). Personally, I think MMY created the problem himself when he appropriated such a grand sounding name. It was suggested that the probably reason he did this was;'the name Maharishi is something to replace "Swami," because in India things are such that if the name "Swami" is missing, then people would suspect something is wrong.' - Osho World Online Magazine, June 2004 (towards the end of section #48 of:- http://www.oshoworld.com/onlinemag/june2004/htm/glimpses.asp But 'a rose is a rose by any other name', (or as John Lennon pointed out after someone had nose surgery, 'A nose is a nose by any other..' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:55 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > *Mahesh* = Lord Shiva > > Lord Indra, also called *Bhogi*, the God of thunder and rain. > > Cool! > > > > > Perhaps you should just refer to Maharishi as His Holiness as you do > > the Dalai Lama, since you are using equivalent terms anyway. Or > > continue to refer to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as Lord Shiva or Lord > > Indra. Your choice... > > In the case of the Dalai Lama, this name is conferred based on > accomplishment and conferred by living Buddhas. It has a specific > meaning. > > In the case of Mahesh, "Maharishi" is an assumed name, as is "yogi". > These were never conferred by the Shankaracharya tradition he > originally came from, nor are they indicative of accomplishment. > Since SBS and current Shankaracharyas refer to him as "Mahesh", it is > probably respectful to the tradition to follow this tradition (rather > than the spin). > > -Mahavaj Yogi > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
On Jul 26, 2006, at 9:28 AM, Paul Mason wrote:I sympathise with Vaj on this issue. There is something kinda creepy & oppressive about having to call someone a 'Maharishi' if one doesn't think he is one, or 'His Holiness', or even 'Yogi' (remember that MMY had to get someone else to put together the simple yogasana exercises that were introduced back in the mid-sixties). Actually, it was a high school gym teacher IIRC. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > wrote: > > > > > > b. It's [Israel] the only place Jews can call home. > > > > Other than the various countries they are citizens of, you mean? > > A good point. Can you point to any other religion on > the planet that has a nation specifically reserved > as (or even considered as) "home" to members of that > religion? Not sure, but some Native American tribal religions might qualify, at least in terms of certain regions of what became the United States. It may be true of some African tribal religions as well, perhaps others here and there. The thing is that Jews are historically a *tribe*, rather than just a group of folks who believe in the same religion (and the tribe includes secular Jews). Tribes do tend to have homelands. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
In a message dated 7/25/06 10:09:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The term 'plastenian people' was made up and used by the media in the last 15 years or so.All those Arabs, who now call themselves "Palestinians" etc. are in fact scavengers who invaded Israel from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon etc Well, I would say all, but most. There are accounts of people such as Mark Twain that visited Palestine and Jerusalem in the 1800's and their comments were how baron and sparse the land was and so few people even attempted to live there. Since the 1880's Jews started moving back into the area of Palestine in hopes of reclaiming the land and Israel. The land was mostly swamps and desert and almost worthless, only a few Arabs had been living there that could really call themselves Palestinian Arabs. As the Jews started to reclaim the land and make it productive Arabs started moving in seeking jobs on these productive farms and businesses the Jews were starting up. Yes, they were moving in from Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt. . __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Of Spiritual War Crimes...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nayakanayaka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > Could someone please ask Dr. Hagelin to help us to understand and > solve this koan: > > 1. why has the movement over years systematically emptied the MUM > golden domes and other places around the world where sidhas used to > assemble in great numbers, by putting all kinds of absurd >restrictions > on people, > with the result that the coherence that had been achieved was lost >in > many countries, > > 2. why are "we" as "the only ones who can save the world" now >urged > to assemble again. > > > Thoughtful greetings, > Dear "nayakanayaka" Dr. Hagelin, he just can't answer these. It is a theocracy he is in and a theocracy that you are asking the question of. They have never candidly answered things asked like these. It will have to be in a different forum and different process to have truthful answers to questions like these and to come to any possible justice over them. Consider parts of the peace processes similar to publicly holding those responsible for WWII out in public, like the Nuremberg Trials. Testimony, indictments, convictions, sentencings. Public. Public reconcilling to the truth of what happened. Will be a place for the coming of "The Vlodrop Trials"? Well, for as enormous the hope for world peace had been in a technique, a spiritual practice technique so verified in peer review study, and for how badly the promulgation of that hope has been done on any accounting of it, are we not talking criminal activity against mankind; talking of 'Spiritual War Crimes against humanity' of a Ravanaic dimensia against humanity. Is it not time to open a war crimes investigation, a grand jury against MMY and those who have enabled him inside the many guises of the TMO worldwide? The TMO, a worldwise "spiritual" movement obstructed, misguided and then misused for private aggrandizement and purpose against humanity. A Courts Marshall? A "Grand Jury" investigation? From the transcript of "The Vlodrop Trials": "I was not aware of these criminal activities as they were happening. Everytihing sounded so good and real. I was only given a mantra." . "At the time, separating rich Westerners and Americans in particular from their money did not seem to be wrong because it was such an important world peace project we were doing. I was not aware of these spiritual criminal activities as they were happening. I was only given a mantra." -American national, attorney by training. Age 64.. "We were told that what we were doing was more important then anything else going on. I just lent my credentials and persuasive skills as a public speaker not know of the scope of the spiritual criminal activities underneath. I was just given a mantra." -An American national, architect by training and profession, age 58. "I was asked to do the solicitations and process the money. I did not understand the criminal activity as it was happening. I have never had my own hand in the till. I was just given a mantra." -An American national, sensitive, liberally educated and university graduate, age 62. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
In a message dated 7/26/06 12:05:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Unlike the Jews, who entered Israel from Egypt the first time around, according to their people's legends? And lived there for some 2000 years. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
In a message dated 7/26/06 12:12:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So the Muslims who have the same mitochondria as the Palestinian Jews aren't really don't belong there because they're of the wrong religion? Culture __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Of Spiritual War Crimes...
I had a good laugh at this. Doug's on a real trip here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nayakanayaka" > >wrote: > > > > Could someone please ask Dr. Hagelin to help us to understand and > > solve this koan: > > > > 1. why has the movement over years systematically emptied the MUM > > golden domes and other places around the world where sidhas used to > > assemble in great numbers, by putting all kinds of absurd > >restrictions > > on people, > > with the result that the coherence that had been achieved was lost > >in > > many countries, > > > > 2. why are "we" as "the only ones who can save the world" now > >urged > > to assemble again. > > > > > > Thoughtful greetings, > > > > Dear "nayakanayaka" > > Dr. Hagelin, he just can't answer these. It is a theocracy he is in > and a theocracy that you are asking the question of. They have > never candidly answered things asked like these. It will have to be > in a different forum and different process to have truthful answers > to questions like these and to come to any possible justice over > them. Consider parts of the peace processes similar to publicly > holding those responsible for WWII out in public, like the Nuremberg > Trials. Testimony, indictments, convictions, sentencings. Public. > Public reconcilling to the truth of wh at happened. > > Will be a place for the coming of "The Vlodrop Trials"? > > Well, for as enormous the hope for world peace had been in a > technique, a spiritual practice technique so verified in peer review > study, and for how badly the promulgation of that hope has been done > on any accounting of it, are we not talking criminal activity > against mankind; talking of 'Spiritual War Crimes against humanity' > of a Ravanaic dimensia against humanity. Is it not time to open a > war crimes investigation, a grand jury against MMY and those who > have enabled him inside the many guises of the TMO worldwide? The > TMO, a worldwise "spiritual" movement obstructed, misguided and then > misused for private aggrandizement and purpose against humanity. > > A Courts Marshall? A "Grand Jury" investigation? > > > From the transcript of "The Vlodrop Trials": > > "I was not aware of these criminal activities as they were > happening. Everytihing sounded so good and real. I was only > given a mantra." . > > > "At the time, separating rich Westerners and Americans in > particular from their money did not seem to be wrong because it was > such an important world peace project we were doing. I was not > aware of these spiritual criminal activities as they were > happening. I was only given a mantra." > > -American national, attorney by training. Age 64.. > > > "We were told that what we were doing was more important then > anything else going on. I just lent my credentials and persuasive > skills as a public speaker not know of the scope of the spiritual > criminal activities underneath. I was just given a mantra." > > -An American national, architect by training and profession, age 58. > > "I was asked to do the solicitations and process the money. I did > not understand the criminal activity as it was happening. I have > never had my own hand in the till. I was just given a mantra." > > -An American national, sensitive, liberally educated and university > graduate, age 62. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:55 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > Perhaps you should just refer to Maharishi as His Holiness as you > > do the Dalai Lama, since you are using equivalent terms anyway. Or > > continue to refer to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as Lord Shiva or Lord > > Indra. Your choice... > > In the case of the Dalai Lama, this name is conferred based on > accomplishment and conferred by living Buddhas. It has a specific > meaning. FWIW, it's fairly common for Indian teachers to refer to their own masters as "His Holiness." > In the case of Mahesh, "Maharishi" is an assumed name, as > is "yogi". These were never conferred by the Shankaracharya > tradition he originally came from, nor are they indicative of > accomplishment. What tradition conferred the title "Maharshi" on Ramana Maharshi? Who conferred the title "His Holiness" on SSRS? > Since SBS and current Shankaracharyas refer to him as "Mahesh", it > is probably respectful to the tradition to follow this tradition > (rather than the spin). Certainly it would be respectful to the orthodox hierarchy that claims to represent Shankara's tradition to go along with its disrespect of Maharishi, just as it would be respectful of the Catholic tradition to consider Martin Luther an excommunicate and apostate. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that calling MMY "Mahesh" is anything but overtly and deliberately disrespectful to MMY. As I've noted before, according to the editor of "The Collected Works of Ramana Maharshi," the title "Maharshi" (or "Maharishi") is conferred on a teacher who has inaugurated a new spiritual path. That seems to indicate it is not a title that is conferred by the hierarchy of any particular tradition; it's given to someone who essentially starts a new tradition. In MMY's case--according to him, at least--he has *revived* a tradition, believing the current version of that tradition has been corrupted--very similar to Martin Luther's stance vis-a-vis the Catholic version of the Christian tradition. Naturally the hierarchy of Catholicism isn't about to accept Luther's revival as the legitimate version of the Christian tradition; neither should we expect the representatives of the "official" Shankaracharya tradition to accept MMY's revival as legitimate. In other words, that the Shankaracharyas disrespect MMY doesn't tell us anything except that they resent his efforts at reform. The real issue with regard to his use of the "Maharishi" title is whether his attempt to reform the tradition is authentic with regard to the original version--what Shankara actually taught. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting phenomena on thread : Flying vs. Hopping
That is really interesting John. I am going up to the Poconos Blues Festival this weekend at Lake Harmony so I'll keep my eyes out! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > I wonder how Catskill or New England ginseng compares > > > (it is supposedly "hotter")? > > > > I don't know; it was my friend who studied extensively > > with Ron, not me. But I do know that *none* of the > > herbs he prescribes ever come from anywhere but the > > valleys in China he knows about, and was taught about > > by his teachers. He once advised me that the ginseng > > he's tested from America wouldn't even be allowed to > > be sold in China. > > > > Then again, he was the one making the profits from > > the herbs he went to China to collect, so his point > > of view may have been slightly colored by that. > > A mechanical engineering manager friend of mine, along with his 2 sons > harvested wild genseng from the mountains of NE PA for years. Their > best markets, he said, were in Japan and China. This was in the early > 1980's. It surprised me. I didn't even know that it grew here. > > JohnY > > > > > > His customers include rock stars and movie stars > > and the like, who have no trouble paying his prices. > > The Stones won't go on tour without a set of his > > specially-brewed teas for every member of the band > > and the crew. They have learned from sad experience > > that if even one member of the crew gets sick while > > on tour, it can jeapordize a show. No one has gotten > > even a cold since they've been drinking the teas. > > Mel Gibson ordered a special yang tea for all of > > the extras in the battle scenes in "Braveheart," > > because he wanted a certain level of ferocity in > > the Scot warriors. He was happy with the results. > > > > I was once visiting my friend at Ron's and he had > > just finished brewing up Billy Idol's special tea. > > He had some left over, so he gave it to me to > > drink. I basically had a hardon for a week. Billy > > pays a great deal more for his tea than I could > > ever afford, but I guess it's worth it to him if > > it allows him to...uh...keep it up on stage. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
On Jul 26, 2006, at 10:41 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:55 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: Perhaps you should just refer to Maharishi as His Holiness as you do the Dalai Lama, since you are using equivalent terms anyway. Or continue to refer to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as Lord Shiva or Lord Indra. Your choice... In the case of the Dalai Lama, this name is conferred based on accomplishment and conferred by living Buddhas. It has a specific meaning. FWIW, it's fairly common for Indian teachers to refer to their own masters as "His Holiness." In the case of Mahesh, "Maharishi" is an assumed name, as is "yogi". These were never conferred by the Shankaracharya tradition he originally came from, nor are they indicative of accomplishment. What tradition conferred the title "Maharshi" on Ramana Maharshi? A saint, a muni IIRC. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that calling > MMY "Mahesh" is anything but overtly and deliberately > disrespectful to MMY. And? Aren't you the person who recently refused to even consider allowing someone you don't respect to buy you lunch? Rather than accepting, or even turning the offer down politely by saying you won't be in Washington, you used the invitation as an excuse to renew your campaign to portray Curtis as 'hypocritical.' When you say these things, you make a big deal out of how *righteous* you are to not compromise your principles by *pretending* respect for someone you *don't* respect. But now you want others to do just that with some- one they obviously don't respect. I'm confused -- is this an example of the CONSISTENCY you often praise as a good quality here or a display of the lack of HYPOCRISY in yourself that enables you to point out that trait in those you don't like? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"
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> I sympathise with Vaj on this issue.
>
> There is something kinda creepy & oppressive about having to call
> someone a 'Maharishi' if one doesn't think he is one, or 'His
> Holiness', or even 'Yogi' (remember that MMY had to get someone
> else to put together the simple yogasana exercises that were
> introduced back in the mid-sixties).
Um, "Yogi" doesn't refer just to one who is accomplished
at yoga asanas.
So one is left either to use the generally
> accepted 'The Maharishi' (regardless of why this term came to be
> used by the press back in the sixties).
(Actually it would have been back in the '50s, at least
in India.)
Or one could bite the bullet and just use the term
"Maharishi" (no "the," of course) as a proper name,
since that's how his followers refer to and address
him informally and how he is widely known.
I mean, unless one wants to show deliberate disrespect,
of course.
> Personally, I think MMY created the problem himself when he
> appropriated such a grand sounding name. It was suggested that the
> probably reason he did this was;'the name Maharishi is something to
> replace "Swami," because in India things are such that if the
> name "Swami" is missing, then people would suspect something is
> wrong.' - Osho World Online Magazine, June 2004 (towards the end of
> section #48 of:-
> http://www.oshoworld.com/onlinemag/june2004/htm/glimpses.asp
Ah, yes, good old Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh.
("Bhagwan," I believe, is a word for "God.")
Here's the context of that remark:
A sudra can be a yogi, and the name Maharishi is something to
replace "Swami," because in India things are such that if the
name "Swami" is missing, then people would suspect something is
wrong. You have to put something else there just to cover up the gap.
He invented "Maharishi." He is not even a rishi; rishi means "seer,"
and maharishi means "great seer." He can't even see beyond his nose.
All he can do when you ask him relevant questions is giggle. In fact,
I will call him "Swami Gigglananda," that will fit him perfectly.
That giggling is not something respectable, it is really a strategy
to avoid questions. He cannot answer any question.
Based on the accuracy, objectivity, and insight
demonstrated by those last sentences, we can certainly
assume the rest of Osho's comments are right on target,
can't we?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting phenomena on thread : Flying vs. Hopping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > I wonder how Catskill or New England ginseng compares > > > (it is supposedly "hotter")? > > > > I don't know; it was my friend who studied extensively > > with Ron, not me. But I do know that *none* of the > > herbs he prescribes ever come from anywhere but the > > valleys in China he knows about, and was taught about > > by his teachers. He once advised me that the ginseng > > he's tested from America wouldn't even be allowed to > > be sold in China. > > > > Then again, he was the one making the profits from > > the herbs he went to China to collect, so his point > > of view may have been slightly colored by that. > > A mechanical engineering manager friend of mine, along with his 2 sons > harvested wild genseng from the mountains of NE PA for years. Their > best markets, he said, were in Japan and China. This was in the early > 1980's. It surprised me. I didn't even know that it grew here. > > JohnY I was surprised to hear the same about Quebec. Apparently there is a huge market for harvesting wild ginseng. But it is illegal to do so, so those who do it are poachers. > > > > > > His customers include rock stars and movie stars > > and the like, who have no trouble paying his prices. > > The Stones won't go on tour without a set of his > > specially-brewed teas for every member of the band > > and the crew. They have learned from sad experience > > that if even one member of the crew gets sick while > > on tour, it can jeapordize a show. No one has gotten > > even a cold since they've been drinking the teas. > > Mel Gibson ordered a special yang tea for all of > > the extras in the battle scenes in "Braveheart," > > because he wanted a certain level of ferocity in > > the Scot warriors. He was happy with the results. > > > > I was once visiting my friend at Ron's and he had > > just finished brewing up Billy Idol's special tea. > > He had some left over, so he gave it to me to > > drink. I basically had a hardon for a week. Billy > > pays a great deal more for his tea than I could > > ever afford, but I guess it's worth it to him if > > it allows him to...uh...keep it up on stage. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > wrote: > > > > > > b. It's [Israel] the only place Jews can call home. > > > > Other than the various countries they are citizens of, you mean? > > A good point. Can you point to any other religion on > the planet that has a nation specifically reserved > as (or even considered as) "home" to members of that > religion? The term "Jewish people" refers to a concept more than just "people of a specific religion". Indeed, if belonging to the Jewish faith was a requirement for being "Jewish" probably about 60% of all Jews wouldn't be "Jewish". It's like that line from Ed Burns' "She's the one": "Just because I don't believe in God doesn't mean I stop being a good Catholic". > > I somehow doubt that Muslims in other parts of the > world consider Saudi Arabia "home," or that Buddhists > consider Bhutan "home," even though it has a state > religion of Buddhism. Fundamentalist Christians may > be working to turn America into such a place, but > they'll never succeed. > > I've been a nomad pretty much all my life, and thus > don't have the same feelings about pieces of land > being "home" that some people do. I carry my "home" > with me, and I don't mean my household items. I go > there every time I meditate, and often get to live > there 24/7 in activity, *wherever* I am in the world. > Where's to "go?" What's to "own?" I just don't > understand obsessing on some patch of real estate > as "home." > > The more I think about it, the more I agree with > the person here (I forget who it was) who suggested > that religion is a disease. It has certainly killed > a shitload of humans on this planet, and continues > to do so today. T'would seem, with today's News, > that even those who are trying to stop the war and > observe it and help the victims are considered > legitimate targets. I'm sorry, but that's insanity, > not faith. > > Home is not some patch of dirt; it's within. Those > who are willing to kill to protect the patch of dirt > they mistake for "home" have IMO created a set of > karmas that will probably prevent them from accessing > their real home for some lifetimes to come. As Bruce > Cockburn says in a song on his new album: > > God's too big to fit in a book > Nothing's too big to fit in my heart > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/24/06 10:02:11 P.M. Central Daylight > > > Time, > > > > > > larry.potter@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > If the Palestinians are indeed a myth, then the real > > question > > > > > > becomes "Why?" Why invent an imaginary people? The answer > > is, > > > the > > > > > > myth of the Palestinian people serves as the > justification > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > Arab occupation of the Land of Israel. While the Arabs > > > already > > > > > > possess 21 sovereign countries of their own (more than > any > > > other > > > > > > people on earth) and control a land mass 800 times the > size > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > Land of Israel, this is apparently not enough for them. > > They > > > > > > therefore feel the need to rob the Jews of their one and > > only > > > > > > country, one of the smallest on the planet. Unfortunately, > > > many > > > > > > people ignorant of the history of the region, including > > much > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > world media, are only too willing to help. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yehezkel Bin-Nun 2002 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was always an Arab/ Israeli conflict until the sixties > > then > > > it > > > > > was > > > > > > repackaged into an Israeli/ Palestinian conflict to gain > > > sympathy > > > > > for the Arab > > > > > > cause to drive Israel into the sea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ditto. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm, so the presence of the Palestinians didn't enter into > the > > > situation until the 1967 > > > > war? > > > > > > > > > > The term 'plastenian people' was made up and used by the media > in > > > the last 15 years or so. > > > > > > All those Arabs, who now call themselves "Palestinians" etc. are > > in > > > fact scavengers who invaded Israel from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon > etc>> > > > > > > Palestinian Jews, and Palestinian Arabs were terms used since > long > > before Israel was created in 1949. It is used as a term on > > international documents from the early part of this century. I > have > > very large Bible from 1850's that has big map with a clearly > defined > > country marked on it (much like the one today) that is > > called "Palestine" and is colored in gold color. > > > > OffWorld > > In addition, on this Christian Bible from the 1850's there is no > Israel on the mapanywhere. It was not even considered a > notion even by the Jews. It is a new notion started by a zionist > zealot in London, late 19th centurey, who was a member of a powerful > Jewish lobby in London. > > Your own US state department website states this. > > OffWorld > "Zionist zealot"..."powerful Jewish lobby" H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:08 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > wrote: > > > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >> Let's clarify by referring to Mahesh's own (unpublished) > >> translation > >> > >>> of the YS of Patanjali and how he *clearly defines* "transcending. > >>> > >> In > >> > >>> his translation, MMB defines it thusly: > >>> > >>> > >> > >> I know your use of the terms "Mahesh" and "MMB" [Maharishi Mahesh > >> Bhogi] are meant to somehow be demeaning towards Maharishi, but I > >> found some definitions of those terms which may cause you to rethink > >> your inadvertent further glorification of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: > >> > >> *Mahesh* = Lord Shiva > >> Lord Indra, also called *Bhogi*, the God of thunder and rain. > >> > >> Perhaps you should just refer to Maharishi as His Holiness as you do > >> the Dalai Lama, since you are using equivalent terms anyway. Or > >> continue to refer to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as Lord Shiva or Lord > >> Indra. Your choice... > >> > >> > > > > The Balding Dude with the Long White Beard works for me... > > > Yeah but BDLWB is a bit wieldy! > Harry Angel: "Louis Cyphere"... "Lucifer". Even your NAME is a dime store joke. Louis Cyphere: "Mephistopheles" is SUCH a mouthful in Manhattan. [from: "Angel Heart"] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 10:41 AM, authfriend wrote: > > What tradition conferred the title "Maharshi" on > > Ramana Maharshi? > > A saint, a muni IIRC. I asked what *tradition* conferred the title. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > > > But those big courses are fun. I was at Amherst in '79 > > and then at MIU for the winter one (was that 84 or > > 85). Both were really amazing. I don't know if our > > collective consciousness actually does anything, but > > the subjective experiences are incredible when you > > have large numbers doing program together. > > I agree. Personally, I attribute the subjective > "high" to large numbers of people meditating > together, and don't think that the siddhis have > anything whatsoever to do with it, but I agree > that large courses can be fun. > > Plus, I think that everyone senses that this > may be the last of them. Maharishi isn't going > to live forever, and when he goes, I have not > seen any indication that *anyone* else within the > TM movement could inspire more than a handful > of people to come to a course. They could plead > and cry and beg and claim that the world is going > to end if people don't come, and everyone would > ignore them, because they just don't have the > chops to pull that sort of thing off. Not one > of them. As I've said in another context recently, > not one of them has done anything to *deserve* > such faith or to inspire the necessary suspension > of disbelief. And not one of them is likely to > in any of our lifetimes. As I read your post, two personalities came to mind: 1) Muktananda. Replaced by his "dual" chosen successors -- a brother and sister -- there was almost immediately a huge fight between the two of them, with the sister winning out. That, along with the fact that neither of them possessed the charisma of Muktananda, meant that their organisation is today but a glimmer of what it was during Muktananda's hayday. Of course there's also the "sexual revelation" factor as well: that is, the revelations about sex that came up in a big way after his death also contributed to the loss of popularity of their movement. So this is an interesting model for what may befall the TMO after MMY dies: we on this forum know that sexual revelations will be coming out,just as they did with Muktananda. The difference is that Muktananda allegedly had relations with young girls and MMY's alleged dalliances were with fully formed females (i.e. 18 years plus). But the other similar factor is the "charisma factor". As you point out, who on the horizon has the same degree of charisma? 2) Castro. As is inevitable with many Communist dictatorships, once the charismatic leader dies, the regime dies as well...doesn't always happen (witness North Korea)and may not happen with Cuba. But I always think of how once these dictatorships and regimes fall after the leader dies and how the underlings responsible for propping up the dictator during his lifetime inevitably fall back on the "I had no choice" line whenever they are questioned as to why they supported the horrible policies that they did when he was alive. Am I stretching it to suggest that that is precisely what certain higher-up muckety-mucks in the TMO will say when, post MMY, they are questioned as to why they supported various schemes and silliness? > > So IMO this will probably be the Last Big Course, > even though I suspect that Maharishi will see > the final numbers as disappointing. I think that > may be the biggest reason many people are attending, > and that they don't really believe any more that > they're going to affect world conditions. They're > attending out of a sense of nostalgia for the > "good old days" and out of a lingering and quickly > diminishing respect for the guy who *used* to be > able to inspire them. > > That said, I wish all of those who have attended > the best, and I hope they have a great time. At > this point in TM history, those within the TMO > who still have the faith to do so are far more > impressive than those who are trying to exploit it. > > > > --- jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > Dude, you better go! Or else, "the world" is going > > > to explode!!! > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow! iI've never heard this rhetoric, er, news, > > > > before! > > > > > > > > --- Dick Mays wrote: > > > > > > > > > "You have the Key to the Gate of Heaven, and now > > > > > everyone is going to > > > > > enjoy you opening the Gate for the whole world." > > > > > -Maharishi, speaking today to the Invincible > > > America > > > > > Course participants > > > > > > > > > > "The experience of the Invincible America Course > > > in > > > > > Washington is paradise." > > > > > -Dr. Dean Dodrill, Raja of Washington > > > > > > > > > > HISTORIC NEWS > > > > > Super Radiance Requirement Surpassed! > > > > > (JULY 25) As of 12:00 noon (CDT) today, 1737 > > > Yogic > > > > > Flyers have > > > > > applied to attend the Invincible America Course, > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that calling > > MMY "Mahesh" is anything but overtly and deliberately > > disrespectful to MMY. > > And? And nothing. > Aren't you the person who recently refused to even > consider allowing someone you don't respect to buy > you lunch? Absolutely. > Rather than accepting, or even turning > the offer down politely by saying you won't be in > Washington, you used the invitation as an excuse > to renew your campaign to portray Curtis as > 'hypocritical.' The invitation itself was hypocritical. > When you say these things, you make a big deal out > of how *righteous* you are to not compromise your > principles by *pretending* respect for someone you > *don't* respect. Right again, except I'd just call it honest. > But now you want others to do just that with some- > one they obviously don't respect. Wrong. Read what I wrote again that you quoted. Try not to let your fantasies interfere this time. > I'm confused -- is this an example of the CONSISTENCY > you often praise as a good quality here or a display > of the lack of HYPOCRISY in yourself that enables you > to point out that trait in those you don't like? It's an example of your inability to read what someone you want to put down has written and to substitute your own fantasies. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
"The invitation itself was hypocritical." Not for me. I don't feel the venom that you seem to enjoy. Friendly gestures are part of what lets people transcend (oh shit!) the predictable limits of their past communications. I don't hold a grudge against you for the nasty things you have said about me. I have my own theories about why you act this way. I am only able to control how I view you. I don't choose to view you in such a relentlessly negative way. I thought a broader context for understanding what you are about over lunch would be interesting. But since you took the invitation as an excuse to say something nasty, I realize I may be a bit unrealistic about this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that calling > > > MMY "Mahesh" is anything but overtly and deliberately > > > disrespectful to MMY. > > > > And? > > And nothing. > > > Aren't you the person who recently refused to even > > consider allowing someone you don't respect to buy > > you lunch? > > Absolutely. > > > Rather than accepting, or even turning > > the offer down politely by saying you won't be in > > Washington, you used the invitation as an excuse > > to renew your campaign to portray Curtis as > > 'hypocritical.' > > The invitation itself was hypocritical. > > > When you say these things, you make a big deal out > > of how *righteous* you are to not compromise your > > principles by *pretending* respect for someone you > > *don't* respect. > > Right again, except I'd just call it honest. > > > But now you want others to do just that with some- > > one they obviously don't respect. > > Wrong. Read what I wrote again that you quoted. Try > not to let your fantasies interfere this time. > > > I'm confused -- is this an example of the CONSISTENCY > > you often praise as a good quality here or a display > > of the lack of HYPOCRISY in yourself that enables you > > to point out that trait in those you don't like? > > It's an example of your inability to read what someone > you want to put down has written and to substitute your > own fantasies. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "The invitation itself was hypocritical." > > Not for me. Uh-huh. Had your intention been sincere, you would have contacted me privately. But you did it publicly so everyone would think, Gee, what a nice, forgiving guy Curtis is. I suspect you also knew perfectly well that I'd turn you down, which you hoped would reflect poorly on me. You go to great lengths to cultivate a nice-guy image, but when the chips are down, a rather different picture emerges. > I don't feel the venom that you seem to enjoy. Except when you do. Friendly > gestures are part of what lets people transcend (oh shit!) the > predictable limits of their past communications. Been there, done that with you, remember? > I don't hold a grudge against you for the nasty things > you have said about me. ROTFL!! Of course not! And I don't hold a grudge against you for being a hypocrite, either. Just for the record, it isn't about "holding a grudge." That's one of Barry's loaded mantras. It's about having seen what a person is like, and then finding that they haven't changed. I > have my own theories about why you act this way. I am only able to > control how I view you. I don't choose to view you in such a > relentlessly negative way. I thought a broader context for > understanding what you are about over lunch would be interesting. But > since you took the invitation as an excuse to say something nasty, I > realize I may be a bit unrealistic about this. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
Your point about the public invitation being the wrong way to do it is a good one. I wasn't thinking, I wrote it on impulse. You are wrong about my intentions, but correct that it was not the right way ask. As you know my private communications have been consistently friendly. The rest of your points suck the oxygen out of the room I am in. What a cynical point of view. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > "The invitation itself was hypocritical." > > > > Not for me. > > Uh-huh. Had your intention been sincere, you would > have contacted me privately. But you did it publicly > so everyone would think, Gee, what a nice, forgiving > guy Curtis is. I suspect you also knew perfectly > well that I'd turn you down, which you hoped would > reflect poorly on me. > > You go to great lengths to cultivate a nice-guy image, > but when the chips are down, a rather different > picture emerges. > > > I don't feel the venom that you seem to enjoy. > > Except when you do. > > Friendly > > gestures are part of what lets people transcend (oh shit!) the > > predictable limits of their past communications. > > Been there, done that with you, remember? > > > I don't hold a grudge against you for the nasty things > > you have said about me. > > ROTFL!! Of course not! And I don't hold a grudge > against you for being a hypocrite, either. > > Just for the record, it isn't about "holding a grudge." > That's one of Barry's loaded mantras. It's about > having seen what a person is like, and then finding > that they haven't changed. > > > > > I > > have my own theories about why you act this way. I am only able to > > control how I view you. I don't choose to view you in such a > > relentlessly negative way. I thought a broader context for > > understanding what you are about over lunch would be interesting. > But > > since you took the invitation as an excuse to say something nasty, I > > realize I may be a bit unrealistic about this. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
The options Judy lays out is that everyone must either accept MMY's claim that he is a "great rishi" and an authentic yogi and address him such or they're being disrepectful of him. To simply not view him as a great rishi, which according the spiritual texts I've read is quite an exclusive title, without any disrespect is not an option. This is a version of "if you're not with us, you're against us". It's the common attitude of authoritarian communities. To call MMY a bad name is disrespectful, to call him by his actual name is not. I'm not sure this is a big deal or not. The white house makes sure the media refer to bush's estate in texas as a "ranch" even though there's absolutely nothing ranchy going on there. This is to reinforce his image as an average joe in the minds of the electorate. These reinforcements can be subconsciously powerful. I know some people who refuse to call MMY Maharishi because they feel it reinforces years of conditioning to see him that way, a way which doesn't fit their current understanding of him. I respect people wanting to use someone's name rather than a title for this reason. Otherwise I don't think it matters that much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:55 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > Perhaps you should just refer to Maharishi as His Holiness as you > > > do the Dalai Lama, since you are using equivalent terms anyway. Or > > > continue to refer to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as Lord Shiva or Lord > > > Indra. Your choice... > > > > In the case of the Dalai Lama, this name is conferred based on > > accomplishment and conferred by living Buddhas. It has a specific > > meaning. > > FWIW, it's fairly common for Indian teachers to refer > to their own masters as "His Holiness." > > > In the case of Mahesh, "Maharishi" is an assumed name, as > > is "yogi". These were never conferred by the Shankaracharya > > tradition he originally came from, nor are they indicative of > > accomplishment. > > What tradition conferred the title "Maharshi" on > Ramana Maharshi? > > Who conferred the title "His Holiness" on SSRS? > > > Since SBS and current Shankaracharyas refer to him as "Mahesh", it > > is probably respectful to the tradition to follow this tradition > > (rather than the spin). > > Certainly it would be respectful to the orthodox > hierarchy that claims to represent Shankara's tradition > to go along with its disrespect of Maharishi, just as it > would be respectful of the Catholic tradition to consider > Martin Luther an excommunicate and apostate. > > Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that calling > MMY "Mahesh" is anything but overtly and deliberately > disrespectful to MMY. > > As I've noted before, according to the editor of "The > Collected Works of Ramana Maharshi," the title "Maharshi" > (or "Maharishi") is conferred on a teacher who has > inaugurated a new spiritual path. That seems to > indicate it is not a title that is conferred by the > hierarchy of any particular tradition; it's given to > someone who essentially starts a new tradition. > > In MMY's case--according to him, at least--he has > *revived* a tradition, believing the current version > of that tradition has been corrupted--very similar to > Martin Luther's stance vis-a-vis the Catholic version > of the Christian tradition. Naturally the hierarchy > of Catholicism isn't about to accept Luther's revival > as the legitimate version of the Christian tradition; > neither should we expect the representatives of the > "official" Shankaracharya tradition to accept MMY's > revival as legitimate. > > In other words, that the Shankaracharyas disrespect > MMY doesn't tell us anything except that they resent > his efforts at reform. > > The real issue with regard to his use of the "Maharishi" > title is whether his attempt to reform the tradition is > authentic with regard to the original version--what > Shankara actually taught. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But those big courses are fun. I was at Amherst in '79 > and then at MIU for the winter one (was that 84 or > 85). Both were really amazing. I don't know if our > collective consciousness actually does anything, but > the subjective experiences are incredible when you > have large numbers doing program together. > Agreed- both times I had great experiences. I was at two in DC, '82 I think, when the hotel at 11th and H Sts. downtown was being converted to a TM hotel, and then in '93(?). I decided that the '93 one was my last, due to the complete lack of professional operations for registering and housing participants. It was complete chaos and nepotism. Nice to run into old friends both times also. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
--- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: snip > > > > Plus, I think that everyone senses that this > > may be the last of them. Maharishi isn't going > > to live forever, and when he goes, I have not > > seen any indication that *anyone* else within the > > TM movement could inspire more than a handful > > of people to come to a course. They could plead > > and cry and beg and claim that the world is going > > to end if people don't come, and everyone would > > ignore them, because they just don't have the > > chops to pull that sort of thing off. Not one > > of them. As I've said in another context recently, > > not one of them has done anything to *deserve* > > such faith or to inspire the necessary suspension > > of disbelief. And not one of them is likely to > > in any of our lifetimes. > > > > As I read your post, two personalities came to mind: > > 1) Muktananda. Replaced by his "dual" chosen > successors -- a > brother and sister -- there was almost immediately a > huge fight > between the two of them, with the sister winning > out. That, along > with the fact that neither of them possessed the > charisma of > Muktananda, meant that their organisation is today > but a glimmer of > what it was during Muktananda's hayday. Of course > there's also > the "sexual revelation" factor as well: that is, the > revelations > about sex that came up in a big way after his death > also contributed > to the loss of popularity of their movement. > > So this is an interesting model for what may befall > the TMO after > MMY dies: we on this forum know that sexual > revelations will be > coming out,just as they did with Muktananda. The > difference is that > Muktananda allegedly had relations with young girls > and MMY's > alleged dalliances were with fully formed females > (i.e. 18 years > plus). > > But the other similar factor is the "charisma > factor". As you point > out, who on the horizon has the same degree of > charisma? As I've mentioned before, I think TM people will "join" SSRS in droves after MMY drops the body. > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Hezbollah Craves Death- They Got It!'
Since this party of 'god', Hezbollah; Praises death and suicide; Why should they be surprised; To see their wish fulfilled; The want death, they got it... R.Gimbel Seattle,WA Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Your point about the public invitation being the wrong way to do it is > a good one. I wasn't thinking, I wrote it on impulse. You are wrong > about my intentions, but correct that it was not the right way ask. > As you know my private communications have been consistently friendly. > > The rest of your points suck the oxygen out of the room I am in. What > a cynical point of view. Oh, Curtis, what a funny reaction to Nosferatu Stein, TM Nazi extroadinaire. Of course she sucks the air out of the room. Apparently you have never encountered the nagging mother-in-law who always fault-finds and reduces everyone to self-loathing. What else to expect from a personality disorder of Judy's calibre? There's a wonderful story (two actually) everyone should know: in the 20's or 30's suspecting the worst was on its way in terms of international conflict, a man carefully researched and found the safest place to move his family: Guam. Sigh and Alas. Everyone needs to keep this story in mind whenever courting the TM Nazi. Then there is the story, Aesop's?, of the frog an the scorpion. The scorpion wants to cross the river and asks the frog if it can ride on its back. The frog, somewhat stupified, says "well of course not, you'll sting me and we'll both drown" -- Oh, no, says the scropion, I wouldn't do that. Finally the frog relents and, half-way over the river the scorpion stings the frog. Why'd you do that, asks the frog. Now we'll both drown. Oh, well, replied the scorpion, it's my nature. Still, Nosferatu sucking the air out of the room is a nice image. It keeps me from inviting the scorpion to crawl on my back. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The options Judy lays out is that everyone must either accept > MMY's claim that he is a "great rishi" and an authentic yogi > and address him such or they're being disrepectful of him. > To simply not view him as a great rishi, which according the > spiritual texts I've read is quite an exclusive title, without > any disrespect is not an option. This is a version of "if > you're not with us, you're against us". It's the common > attitude of authoritarian communities. That's a little harsh, Mark. After all, these are certified "anti-TMers" Judy is talking about who refer to MMY that way. We know this is true because she said it. It would only be "authoritarian" if these were real human beings, with feelings, who deserve respect. But since that is clearly not the case, those who know the Truth are entitled to treat them with disrespect when they treat MMY with disrespect by referring to him by his given name, as if he were a normal human being. The noive of such infidels... > To call MMY a bad name is disrespectful, to call him by his > actual name is not. Just wait until they come up with an offical title for Certified TM Apologist. I've heard that it will be some- thing like Upholder Of Natural Law. Then if you don't use that title here on FFL for those upon which it has been conferred, you too will be deemed disrespectful and will have earned your own title as an Official Anti-TMer. :-) > I'm not sure this is a big deal or not. The white house > makes sure the media refer to bush's estate in texas as > a "ranch" even though there's absolutely nothing ranchy > going on there. This is to reinforce his image as an > average joe in the minds of the electorate. That is *exactly* the reason that the apologists...uh, sorry...Upholders Of Natural Law get so uptight about this. The "ranch" is FICTION. Calling Mahesh a rishi, much less a Maharishi, is FICTION. Those who have bought into this fiction for decades get really, really uptight when someone points out that they've believed a FICTION for all those years, especially when they themselves know it's true. So to keep from dealing with their own gulli- bility, they lash out. That's what I honestly think is going on. > These reinforcements can be subconsciously powerful. I know > some people who refuse to call MMY Maharishi because they feel > it reinforces years of conditioning to see him that way, a > way which doesn't fit their current understanding of him. But...but...but...but...doncha see that BY DEFINITION if their "current understanding" of him is that he doesn't deserve the fictional title of Maharishi, such a person is automatically an Official Anti-TMer? Such a position is WRONG, and indicates that the person who holds it is Off The Program. There's nothing "authoritarian" about this...it's merely an expression of Natural Law. :-) > I respect people wanting to use someone's name rather than > a title for this reason. Otherwise I don't think it matters > that much. It only matters to the apologists. Sorry, to the self- appointed Upholders Of Natural Law. I wonder if cars driven by Upholders Of Natural Law have Cupholders Of Natural Law? :-) > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:55 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps you should just refer to Maharishi as His Holiness as you > > > > do the Dalai Lama, since you are using equivalent terms anyway. Or > > > > continue to refer to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as Lord Shiva or Lord > > > > Indra. Your choice... > > > > > > In the case of the Dalai Lama, this name is conferred based on > > > accomplishment and conferred by living Buddhas. It has a specific > > > meaning. > > > > FWIW, it's fairly common for Indian teachers to refer > > to their own masters as "His Holiness." > > > > > In the case of Mahesh, "Maharishi" is an assumed name, as > > > is "yogi". These were never conferred by the Shankaracharya > > > tradition he originally came from, nor are they indicative of > > > accomplishment. > > > > What tradition conferred the title "Maharshi" on > > Ramana Maharshi? > > > > Who conferred the title "His Holiness" on SSRS? > > > > > Since SBS and current Shankaracharyas refer to him as "Mahesh", it > > > is probably respectful to the tradition to follow this tradition > > > (rather than the spin). > > > > Certainly it would be respectful to the orthodox > > hierarchy that claims to represent Shankara's tradition > > to go along with its disrespect of Maharishi, just as it > > would be respectful of the Catholic tradition to consider > > Martin Luther an excommunicate and apostate. > > > > Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that calling > > MMY "Mahesh" is anything but overtly and deliberately > > disrespectful to MMY. > > > > As I'
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
In a message dated 7/26/06 9:02:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A good point. Can you point to any other religion on > the planet that has a nation specifically reserved> as (or even considered as) "home" to members of that > religion?Not sure, but some Native American tribal religionsmight qualify, at least in terms of certain regionsof what became the United States. It may be trueof some African tribal religions as well, perhapsothers here and there.The thing is that Jews are historically a *tribe*,rather than just a group of folks who believe inthe same religion (and the tribe includes secularJews). Tribes do tend to have homelands. I would bet Hindus would consider India their traditional homeland. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
In a message dated 7/26/06 12:01:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the other similar factor is the "charisma> factor". As you point > out, who on the horizon has the same degree of> charisma?As I've mentioned before, I think TM people will"join" SSRS in droves after MMY drops the body. I have to agree here. SSRS has the Charisma and comes from the tradition giving the same knowledge and building on it. He's full of energy and is pursuing the same thing M has been doing all of his life. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Still, Nosferatu sucking the air out of the room is a nice image. > It keeps me from inviting the scorpion to crawl on my back. Too late. You're a marked man, obviously next in line to be deemed an Official Anti-TMer. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
You know what they say about doing the same thing and expecting different results as the definition for insanity? At this stage it is my own disorder I am concerned with! The cautionary tale of the frog and the scorpion is one of my favorites and I appreciate your reminding me of it. My dad fought on Quam in WWII, so I have the stories of the hell that it became. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Your point about the public invitation being the wrong way to do it > is > > a good one. I wasn't thinking, I wrote it on impulse. You are > wrong > > about my intentions, but correct that it was not the right way ask. > > As you know my private communications have been consistently > friendly. > > > > The rest of your points suck the oxygen out of the room I am in. > What > > a cynical point of view. > > Oh, Curtis, what a funny reaction to Nosferatu Stein, TM Nazi > extroadinaire. Of course she sucks the air out of the room. > > Apparently you have never encountered the nagging mother-in-law who > always fault-finds and reduces everyone to self-loathing. What else > to expect from a personality disorder of Judy's calibre? > > There's a wonderful story (two actually) everyone should know: in the > 20's or 30's suspecting the worst was on its way in terms of > international conflict, a man carefully researched and found the > safest place to move his family: Guam. > > Sigh and Alas. > > Everyone needs to keep this story in mind whenever courting the TM > Nazi. > > Then there is the story, Aesop's?, of the frog an the scorpion. The > scorpion wants to cross the river and asks the frog if it can ride on > its back. The frog, somewhat stupified, says "well of course not, > you'll sting me and we'll both drown" -- Oh, no, says the scropion, I > wouldn't do that. Finally the frog relents and, half-way over the > river the scorpion stings the frog. > > Why'd you do that, asks the frog. Now we'll both drown. Oh, well, > replied the scorpion, it's my nature. > > Still, Nosferatu sucking the air out of the room is a nice image. It > keeps me from inviting the scorpion to crawl on my back. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The options Judy lays out is that everyone must either accept MMY's > claim that he is a "great rishi" and an authentic yogi and address > him such or they're being disrepectful of him. Nonsense. There's a big difference between being respectful by addressing or referring to someone by his/her title, and accepting that person's claims to the title. > I'm not sure this is a big deal or not. The white house makes sure > the media refer to bush's estate in texas as a "ranch" even though > there's absolutely nothing ranchy going on there. And every reporter addresses him as "Mr. President." Do you really think every reporter who speaks to him thinks he won the election legitimately? > This is to > reinforce his image as an average joe in the minds of the > electorate. > These reinforcements can be subconsciously powerful. I know some > people who refuse to call MMY Maharishi because they feel it > reinforces years of conditioning to see him that way, a way which > doesn't fit their current understanding of him. Oh, good grief. Talk about being a slave to your conditioning! It makes sense not to call him Maharishi if you don't think he deserves your respect. But then, by definition, you're being disrespectful. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You know what they say about doing the same thing and expecting > different results as the definition for insanity? At this stage > it is my own disorder I am concerned with! The cautionary tale > of the frog and the scorpion is one of my favorites and I > appreciate your reminding me of it. My dad fought on Quam in > WWII, so I have the stories of the hell that it became. I think it's a very *appropriate* cautionary tale. Many people came to Guam (Fairfield Life) because they thought it would be a "safe place" where they could actually express their ambivalent feelings about TM and Maharishi and the TMO. They'd suffered for years in an environment where expressing doubts, much less conclusions that were Off The Program were met first with stony silence, then with censure, and finally with being shown to the door. So they came here, to FFL, and they read the opening page, which states very clearly that this is a place that BY DEFINITION is an environment in which it is permitted to question everything we've been told to believe. And it *was* that kind of environment for a long time. And then I had to fuck it up by mentioning it on a.m.t., and presto -- like magic -- the person who almost single- handedly turned that newsgroup into a War Zone comes zooming over to Fairfield Life and starts trying to do the same thing here. Have you *looked* at alt.meditation.transcendental lately? Even *Judy* hasn't bothered to post there for over two weeks. It's now a wasteland, full of pretty much nothing but politics and personal squabbles and name-calling. Does that sound familiar, you who have complained lately about what FFL has mysteriously turned into? Well, in my opinion there is a reason. And that reason is the current subject of discussion -- a person whose goal, in my honest opinion, is to *destroy* environments in which people can freely challenge the myths of TM and the TMO and Maharishi, to bring them down to her level, the level of endless argumentation and name-calling. She did it to a.m.t., and she's well on her way to having done it to Fairfield Life. Judy will probably trot out her favorite word, Liar! (do a search on Google Groups and I think you'll find that Judy has used that word more than any other poster in its history), but I'm not lying. This is what I honestly believe is her intent. I don't, however, think that she KNOWS that it's her intent. I have never in my life met a person who is more unaware of her own motivations and is more in denial about them than Judy Stein. She *has* to believe that people are LYING about her when they say things about her like I am saying now. The only other alternative is to consider, even for a moment, that there might be some truth in them. And I think that anyone who has been paying atten- tion to her posts since she arrived here has figured out that this is never going to happen. Never. Judy is OUTRAGED that there is a place where people can express their ambivalent feelings about TM honestly, without being *punished* for expressing them. Think about it -- what is it that she consistently berates people here for not doing? They don't CONFESS to the "sins" she brands them with, that's what. She sees herself as the unofficial enforcer of The Truth, the person who has to expose the "sins" she seems to see everywhere here, and badger the "sinners" until they CONFESS their sins publicly. I wrote not long ago quoting passages from a book written by Bernardo Gui on how to be an Inquisitor. Judy follows the training manual he wrote for the Inquisition centuries ago *to the letter*. It could be her Handbook. She talks a lot about respect. Well, I respect those here who remember what this place is, and what it was created to be. And I respect those who stand up to this wrinkled old bully when she tries to make it something else. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
Barry shows us still more of his remarkable ability to fantasize... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > wrote: > > > > The options Judy lays out is that everyone must either accept > > MMY's claim that he is a "great rishi" and an authentic yogi > > and address him such or they're being disrepectful of him. > > To simply not view him as a great rishi, which according the > > spiritual texts I've read is quite an exclusive title, without > > any disrespect is not an option. This is a version of "if > > you're not with us, you're against us". It's the common > > attitude of authoritarian communities. > > That's a little harsh, Mark. And factually incorrect. After all, these are certified > "anti-TMers" Judy is talking about who refer to MMY that > way. We know this is true because she said it. Well, no, I didn't say that, actually. Some are, some aren't. (Some anti-TMers refer to him as "Mahesh," some don't, for that matter. Have you ever seen Barry calling him "Mahesh"?) > It would only be "authoritarian" if these were real human > beings, with feelings, who deserve respect. But since that > is clearly not the case, those who know the Truth are > entitled to treat them with disrespect when they treat > MMY with disrespect by referring to him by his given name No, when they hypocritically pretend it's not disrespectful to do so. > > I'm not sure this is a big deal or not. The white house > > makes sure the media refer to bush's estate in texas as > > a "ranch" even though there's absolutely nothing ranchy > > going on there. This is to reinforce his image as an > > average joe in the minds of the electorate. > > That is *exactly* the reason that the apologists...uh, > sorry...Upholders Of Natural Law get so uptight about > this. The "ranch" is FICTION. Calling Mahesh a rishi, > much less a Maharishi, is FICTION. Those who have bought > into this fiction for decades get really, really uptight > when someone points out that they've believed a FICTION > for all those years, especially when they themselves know > it's true. So to keep from dealing with their own gulli- > bility, they lash out. > > That's what I honestly think is going on. And as usual you got it completely wrong, at least where I'm concerned, just as you did in your previous post on this. Nowhere have I suggested that those who don't respect Maharishi don't have a perfect right to express that disrespect. My *only* point here is that they shouldn't pretend they're not being disrespectful by referring to him as "Mahesh." > But...but...but...but...doncha see that BY DEFINITION if > their "current understanding" of him is that he doesn't > deserve the fictional title of Maharishi, such a person > is automatically an Official Anti-TMer? Wrong again... > Such a position is WRONG ...and wrong again. My beef here is with *hypocrisy*, not with disrespecting Maharishi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 wrote: > > > > Still, Nosferatu sucking the air out of the room is a nice image. > > It keeps me from inviting the scorpion to crawl on my back. > > Too late. You're a marked man, obviously next in line > to be deemed an Official Anti-TMer. No, he's an Official Anti-Judyist. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Then there is the story, Aesop's?, of the frog an the scorpion. The > scorpion wants to cross the river and asks the frog if it can ride > on its back. The frog, somewhat stupified, says "well of course > not, you'll sting me and we'll both drown" -- Oh, no, says the > scropion, I wouldn't do that. Finally the frog relents and, half- > way over the river the scorpion stings the frog. > > Why'd you do that, asks the frog. Now we'll both drown. Oh, well, > replied the scorpion, it's my nature. > > Still, Nosferatu sucking the air out of the room is a nice image. > It keeps me from inviting the scorpion to crawl on my back. Note, however, that the "scorpion" in question didn't *ask* to crawl on anyone's back, much less promise not to sting, and refused the invitation when it was offered. Ooopsie... Not quite le metaphor juste, eh, gerbal? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > You know what they say about doing the same thing and expecting > > different results as the definition for insanity? At this stage > > it is my own disorder I am concerned with! The cautionary tale > > of the frog and the scorpion is one of my favorites and I > > appreciate your reminding me of it. My dad fought on Quam in > > WWII, so I have the stories of the hell that it became. > > I think it's a very *appropriate* cautionary tale. Many > people came to Guam (Fairfield Life) because they thought > it would be a "safe place" where they could actually express > their ambivalent feelings about TM and Maharishi and the > TMO. They'd suffered for years in an environment where > expressing doubts, much less conclusions that were Off > The Program were met first with stony silence, then with > censure, and finally with being shown to the door. > > So they came here, to FFL, and they read the opening page, > which states very clearly that this is a place that BY > DEFINITION is an environment in which it is permitted > to question everything we've been told to believe. Funny, I haven't seen anything on the opening page about it not being permitted to question negative views of MMY/the TMO/TMers. Apparently Barry believes that's how it should be, though. And > it *was* that kind of environment for a long time. Yup, there was never any questioning of negative views of TM before I got here, right, Barry? And > then I had to fuck it up by mentioning it on a.m.t., and > presto -- like magic -- the person who almost single- > handedly turned that newsgroup into a War Zone Most of the rest of this post is Barry's usual fantasies-- er, opinions--but this part is an out-and-out lie; Barry *knows* it isn't true. alt.m.t was a War zone well before I got there. Since I got there, Barry has been one of the prime instigators and perpetuaters of the wars. comes > zooming over to Fairfield Life and starts trying to do > the same thing here. > > Have you *looked* at alt.meditation.transcendental lately? > Even *Judy* hasn't bothered to post there for over two > weeks. It's now a wasteland, full of pretty much nothing > but politics and personal squabbles and name-calling. Does > that sound familiar, you who have complained lately about > what FFL has mysteriously turned into? Anybody wonder whether *Barry's* presence here has had anything to do with whatever FFL has "turned into"? > Well, in my opinion there is a reason. And that reason > is the current subject of discussion -- a person whose > goal, in my honest opinion, is to *destroy* environments > in which people can freely challenge the myths of TM and > the TMO and Maharishi, to bring them down to her level, > the level of endless argumentation and name-calling. She > did it to a.m.t., and she's well on her way to having > done it to Fairfield Life. > > Judy will probably trot out her favorite word, Liar! (do > a search on Google Groups and I think you'll find that > Judy has used that word more than any other poster in > its history), but I'm not lying. This is what I honestly > believe is her intent. No, this is just another of Barry's many fantasies. > I don't, however, think that she KNOWS that it's her > intent. I have never in my life met a person who is more > unaware of her own motivations and is more in denial about > them than Judy Stein. ROTFL!! Barry Wright, Master of Projection. She *has* to believe that people are > LYING about her when they say things about her like I > am saying now. Well, er, no, only when they say things about her that they know aren't true. > The only other alternative is to consider, > even for a moment, that there might be some truth in > them. And I think that anyone who has been paying atten- > tion to her posts since she arrived here has figured out > that this is never going to happen. Never. Wrong again. You see, to have considered whether there might be some truth to something advocated by Barry, and decide there wasn't, in Barry's mind is the same as never having considered it at all. > Judy is OUTRAGED that there is a place where people can > express their ambivalent feelings about TM honestly, > without being *punished* for expressing them. Wrong... Think > about it -- what is it that she consistently berates > people here for not doing? They don't CONFESS to the > "sins" she brands them with, that's what. ...and wrong again... She sees herself > as the unofficial enforcer of The Truth, the person who > has to expose the "sins" she seems to see everywhere here, > and badger the "sinners" until they CONFESS their sins > publicly. ...and wrong again. Anybody who's been paying attention knows that I don't comment on the vast majority of the negative criticisms here of TM/MMY/the TMO. I've made some of them myself, in fa
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:46 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote:The options Judy lays out is that everyone must either accept MMY's claim that he is a "great rishi" and an authentic yogi and address him such or they're being disrepectful of him. To simply not view him as a great rishi, which according the spiritual texts I've read is quite an exclusive title, without any disrespect is not an option. This is a version of "if you're not with us, you're against us". It's the common attitude of authoritarian communities. To call MMY a bad name is disrespectful, to call him by his actual name is not. I'm not sure this is a big deal or not. The white house makes sure the media refer to bush's estate in texas as a "ranch" even though there's absolutely nothing ranchy going on there. This is to reinforce his image as an average joe in the minds of the electorate. These reinforcements can be subconsciously powerful. I know some people who refuse to call MMY Maharishi because they feel it reinforces years of conditioning to see him that way, a way which doesn't fit their current understanding of him. I respect people wanting to use someone's name rather than a title for this reason. Otherwise I don't think it matters that much. Thanks for the words of sanity. You hit the nail right on the head. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/26/06 9:02:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > A good point. Can you point to any other religion on > > the planet that has a nation specifically reserved > > as (or even considered as) "home" to members of that > > religion? > > Not sure, but some Native American tribal religions > might qualify, at least in terms of certain regions > of what became the United States. It may be true > of some African tribal religions as well, perhaps > others here and there. > > The thing is that Jews are historically a *tribe*, > rather than just a group of folks who believe in > the same religion (and the tribe includes secular > Jews). Tribes do tend to have homelands. > > I would bet Hindus would consider India their traditional homeland. Dunno. Of the world's 900 million Hindus, about 890 million live in India, so clearly the vast majority would. But there are also other countries (albeit much smaller, obviously) with traditional Hindu cultures. >From Wikipedia: Significant numbers of Hindus reside in Bali, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Fiji, Guyana, Nepal, Mauritius, Suriname, Singapore and Trinidad and Tobago. In Nepal and Bali, Hinduism is the major religion, and is still reflected in the traditional culture and architecture. There are also sizeable Hindu populations in Sri Lanka (1.42 million)[25], Pakistan (2 million)[26], Malaysia (1.5 million)[27], United States (766,000)[28], South Africa (654,714)[29], the Middle East (1.4 million)[30] and the United Kingdom (558,342)[31]. Would Nepalese and Balinese Hindus consider India their traditional homeland? I don't know. It seems to me the "homeland" issue arises mainly when there's been a major diaspora of a tribal or ethnic group with an associated religion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:46 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote: > > > The options Judy lays out is that everyone must either accept > > MMY's claim that he is a "great rishi" and an authentic yogi and > > address him such or they're being disrepectful of him. To simply > > not view him as a great rishi, which according the spiritual > > texts I've read is quite an exclusive title, without any > > disrespect is not an option. This is a version of "if you're not > > with us, you're against us". It's the common attitude of > > authoritarian communities. > > > > To call MMY a bad name is disrespectful, to call him by his actual > > name is not. > > > > I'm not sure this is a big deal or not. The white house makes sure > > the media refer to bush's estate in texas as a "ranch" even though > > there's absolutely nothing ranchy going on there. This is to > > reinforce his image as an average joe in the minds of the electorate. > > These reinforcements can be subconsciously powerful. I know some > > people who refuse to call MMY Maharishi because they feel it > > reinforces years of conditioning to see him that way, a way which > > doesn't fit their current understanding of him. I respect people > > wanting to use someone's name rather than a title for this reason. > > Otherwise I don't think it matters that much. > > Thanks for the words of sanity. You hit the nail right on the head. Except for the significantly inaccurate first paragraph, you mean, right? Oh, yes, and do you call MMY "Mahesh" because you're fighting years of conditioning, Vaj? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] (His Holiness) Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi (Yogi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The options Judy lays out is that everyone must either accept MMY's > claim that he is a "great rishi" and an authentic yogi and address him > such or they're being disrepectful of him. To simply not view him as > a great rishi, which according the spiritual texts I've read is quite > an exclusive title, without any disrespect is not an option. This is > a version of "if you're not with us, you're against us". It's the > common attitude of authoritarian communities. > > To call MMY a bad name is disrespectful, to call him by his actual > name is not. > > I'm not sure this is a big deal or not. The white house makes sure > the media refer to bush's estate in texas as a "ranch" even though > there's absolutely nothing ranchy going on there. This is to > reinforce his image as an average joe in the minds of the electorate. > These reinforcements can be subconsciously powerful. I know some > people who refuse to call MMY Maharishi because they feel it > reinforces years of conditioning to see him that way, a way which > doesn't fit their current understanding of him. I respect people > wanting to use someone's name rather than a title for this reason. > Otherwise I don't think it matters that much. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:55 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps you should just refer to Maharishi as His Holiness as you > > > > do the Dalai Lama, since you are using equivalent terms anyway. Or > > > > continue to refer to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as Lord Shiva or Lord > > > > Indra. Your choice... > > > > > > In the case of the Dalai Lama, this name is conferred based on > > > accomplishment and conferred by living Buddhas. It has a specific > > > meaning. > > > > FWIW, it's fairly common for Indian teachers to refer > > to their own masters as "His Holiness." > > > > > In the case of Mahesh, "Maharishi" is an assumed name, as > > > is "yogi". These were never conferred by the Shankaracharya > > > tradition he originally came from, nor are they indicative of > > > accomplishment. > > > > What tradition conferred the title "Maharshi" on > > Ramana Maharshi? > > > > Who conferred the title "His Holiness" on SSRS? > > > > > Since SBS and current Shankaracharyas refer to him as "Mahesh", it > > > is probably respectful to the tradition to follow this tradition > > > (rather than the spin). > > > > Certainly it would be respectful to the orthodox > > hierarchy that claims to represent Shankara's tradition > > to go along with its disrespect of Maharishi, just as it > > would be respectful of the Catholic tradition to consider > > Martin Luther an excommunicate and apostate. > > > > Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that calling > > MMY "Mahesh" is anything but overtly and deliberately > > disrespectful to MMY. > > > > As I've noted before, according to the editor of "The > > Collected Works of Ramana Maharshi," the title "Maharshi" > > (or "Maharishi") is conferred on a teacher who has > > inaugurated a new spiritual path. That seems to > > indicate it is not a title that is conferred by the > > hierarchy of any particular tradition; it's given to > > someone who essentially starts a new tradition. > > > > In MMY's case--according to him, at least--he has > > *revived* a tradition, believing the current version > > of that tradition has been corrupted--very similar to > > Martin Luther's stance vis-a-vis the Catholic version > > of the Christian tradition. Naturally the hierarchy > > of Catholicism isn't about to accept Luther's revival > > as the legitimate version of the Christian tradition; > > neither should we expect the representatives of the > > "official" Shankaracharya tradition to accept MMY's > > revival as legitimate. > > > > In other words, that the Shankaracharyas disrespect > > MMY doesn't tell us anything except that they resent > > his efforts at reform. > > > > The real issue with regard to his use of the "Maharishi" > > title is whether his attempt to reform the tradition is > > authentic with regard to the original version--what > > Shankara actually taught. To me, it's a bit simpler than all of that stuff; Who cares what they think in India? It's like caring what the Pope thinks... I think and feel that the title, and name: "Maharishi" Is a term of endearment to me; It's a feeling of love, which I have toward Maharishi, and always have and always will. Just is that way; maybe past-life connection, who knows? Anyway, it's like my step-son; When he was going through adolescence; He was hangin' with this friend, who was a bad influence on him; This friend had no respect for his father; And my step-son, picked up this disrespect, And started calling me by my name, instead of the endearing name of: Dad... That's right, folk
[FairfieldLife] We don't need no stinkin' theocracies!
"We don't need no stinkin' theocracies! I hate to micromanage." -- God Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > > wrote: > snip > > > > > > Plus, I think that everyone senses that this > > > may be the last of them. Maharishi isn't going > > > to live forever, and when he goes, I have not > > > seen any indication that *anyone* else within the > > > TM movement could inspire more than a handful > > > of people to come to a course. They could plead > > > and cry and beg and claim that the world is going > > > to end if people don't come, and everyone would > > > ignore them, because they just don't have the > > > chops to pull that sort of thing off. Not one > > > of them. As I've said in another context recently, > > > not one of them has done anything to *deserve* > > > such faith or to inspire the necessary suspension > > > of disbelief. And not one of them is likely to > > > in any of our lifetimes. > > > > > > > > As I read your post, two personalities came to mind: > > > > 1) Muktananda. Replaced by his "dual" chosen > > successors -- a > > brother and sister -- there was almost immediately a > > huge fight > > between the two of them, with the sister winning > > out. That, along > > with the fact that neither of them possessed the > > charisma of > > Muktananda, meant that their organisation is today > > but a glimmer of > > what it was during Muktananda's hayday. Of course > > there's also > > the "sexual revelation" factor as well: that is, the > > revelations > > about sex that came up in a big way after his death > > also contributed > > to the loss of popularity of their movement. > > > > So this is an interesting model for what may befall > > the TMO after > > MMY dies: we on this forum know that sexual > > revelations will be > > coming out,just as they did with Muktananda. The > > difference is that > > Muktananda allegedly had relations with young girls > > and MMY's > > alleged dalliances were with fully formed females > > (i.e. 18 years > > plus). > > > > But the other similar factor is the "charisma > > factor". As you point > > out, who on the horizon has the same degree of > > charisma? > > As I've mentioned before, I think TM people will > "join" SSRS in droves after MMY drops the body. I think you've got something there. Sadly, the current TMO and the people involved in it are, by necessity, guru-followers (if they weren't they would have, by necessity of logic and rationality, left long ago). Without the guru figure in MMY, they will seek another out and I don't think a Nader Raam with a crown on his head and his weight in gold or a Bevan or a John makes it in that category for thoe type of folks. Throw in MMY's "we are satisfied" declaration and you've got, after his death, the making of a Route 66 right to SSRS's camp. > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Your point about the public invitation being the wrong way to do it > is > > a good one. I wasn't thinking, I wrote it on impulse. You are > wrong > > about my intentions, but correct that it was not the right way ask. > > As you know my private communications have been consistently > friendly. > > > > The rest of your points suck the oxygen out of the room I am in. > What > > a cynical point of view. > > Oh, Curtis, what a funny reaction to Nosferatu Stein, TM Nazi > extroadinaire. The Nazi imaging is too obvious. That's why I prefer Ethel Merman's portrayal of Sylvester's mother "Mrs. Marcus" from "It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world". Or Billie Bats. Of course she sucks the air out of the room. > > Apparently you have never encountered the nagging mother-in-law who > always fault-finds and reduces everyone to self-loathing. What else > to expect from a personality disorder of Judy's calibre? > > There's a wonderful story (two actually) everyone should know: in the > 20's or 30's suspecting the worst was on its way in terms of > international conflict, a man carefully researched and found the > safest place to move his family: Guam. > > Sigh and Alas. > > Everyone needs to keep this story in mind whenever courting the TM > Nazi. > > Then there is the story, Aesop's?, of the frog an the scorpion. The > scorpion wants to cross the river and asks the frog if it can ride on > its back. The frog, somewhat stupified, says "well of course not, > you'll sting me and we'll both drown" -- Oh, no, says the scropion, I > wouldn't do that. Finally the frog relents and, half-way over the > river the scorpion stings the frog. > > Why'd you do that, asks the frog. Now we'll both drown. Oh, well, > replied the scorpion, it's my nature. > > Still, Nosferatu sucking the air out of the room is a nice image. It > keeps me from inviting the scorpion to crawl on my back. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/26/06 9:02:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > A good point. Can you point to any other religion on > > the planet that has a nation specifically reserved > > as (or even considered as) "home" to members of that > > religion? > > Not sure, but some Native American tribal religions > might qualify, at least in terms of certain regions > of what became the United States. It may be true > of some African tribal religions as well, perhaps > others here and there. > > The thing is that Jews are historically a *tribe*, > rather than just a group of folks who believe in > the same religion (and the tribe includes secular > Jews). Tribes do tend to have homelands. > > > > I would bet Hindus would consider India their traditional homeland. > Indeed. My yoga teacher told me that Indians consider it very inauspicious to die anywhere in the world EXCEPT India. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > wrote: > > > > As I've mentioned before, I think TM people will > > "join" SSRS in droves after MMY drops the body. > > I think you've got something there. > > Sadly, the current TMO and the people involved in it are, by > necessity, guru-followers (if they weren't they would have, by > necessity of logic and rationality, left long ago). Without the > guru figure in MMY, they will seek another out and I don't think a > Nader Raam with a crown on his head and his weight in gold or a > Bevan or a John makes it in that category for thoe type of folks. > > Throw in MMY's "we are satisfied" declaration and you've got, after > his death, the making of a Route 66 right to SSRS's camp. Got to agree with Dr. Pete and Shemp here. The people who are still part of the TMO at this point pretty much need someone to tell them how to live their lives. They'll need to fill that void with someone *else* to tell them how to live their lives. I don't know much about SSRS, but if he does *not* do things that way, they'll keep looking until they find someone who does. I've seen it all before, with the people who were still TBs at the end of the Rama trip. When he died, there were two basic types of former students -- the ones who had walked away on their own before he died, and the ones who hadn't. In general, those who had chosen to take their own path have continued on it, and have *not* flocked to new gurus and and a new person to tell them how to live their lives. But those who stuck it out to the end were courting other gurus within a couple of months. And always the ones with a similar profile to Rama himself -- flashy, non- traditional, and surrounded with rumors of a certain lack of ethics with regard to their students. To his credit, one can make a case that Rama *tried* to push a lot of us away towards the end. In general, the ones who took the hint and left are doing well now, and show a great deal of balance in their lives. The ones who hung in until the bitter end (and it *was* bitter...he killed himself), equally in general, are still guru-hopping, and haven't shown much indication of being able to find their own path, or to follow someone else's with some sense of balance. It's a fascinating scene. My bet is that it's about the same in any spiritual trip that centers on a living charismatic teacher. What's even *more* fascinating is the Next Generation -- the ones who were never part of the tradition while the teacher was alive, but feel that thet they are "receiving com- munications" from him now that he's dead. I'm pretty sure there will be a lot of that with regard to Maharishi, both from the current TBs, and the next generation that they recruit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Yogic Flyers Story on Yahoo and Raw Story
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flyers Story on Yahoo and Raw Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060726/lf_afp/mideastconflictisrael_06072 6151442 > > On Raw Story you can leave comments: > www.rawstory.com Thanks, Barry, would never have know about this. As a friend of mine likes to say "eyeroll" -- I don't know if you are familiar with the animation Futurama, but I tend to see those skeptical among us as represented by Kiff and the Maheshites as represented by Zapp Branigan. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
--- Peter wrote: > > As I've mentioned before, I think TM people will > "join" SSRS in droves after MMY drops the body. Do the Art of Living people have these big courses the way the TMO does? My wife and daughter visited Amma in Boston last week. Had a great time in the bazaar. Consulted a jyotishi. Bought jewelry. Ate good food. Got hugs. Sounded like a great time. I wouldn't mind attending a big TM-Sidhis convention like what's currently happening in Fairfield and D.C. if the party atmosphere were sufficiently joyous. If AOL could offer that, it could be fun. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > The Nazi imaging is too obvious. > > That's why I prefer Ethel Merman's portrayal of Sylvester's > mother "Mrs. Marcus" from "It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world". > > Or Billie Bats. Yes, way too obvious, but it needed to be said, or so I thought. I wouldn't have wanted Nosferatu Stein to overlook the point. No one else would/does. Am I an official ANTI-TM ADVOCATE, well, I tend to see Ms Nosferatu as Innocent III and many like myself as the Cathars. Egomania is a sickness that I do not think can be fought. The one we have to deal with here, with its obvious elements of sociopathy, is simply beyond reason of any kind. Either you live in her Guam or you do not; either you bother with her invective or you ignore her. Unlike Innocent III, she won't show up on your doorstep. Besides, this isn't the 12 century, for most of us. It's an apt image and whilst I adore Ethel Merman To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- shempmcgurk wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > > > > wrote: > > snip > > > > > > > > Plus, I think that everyone senses that this > > > > may be the last of them. Maharishi isn't going > > > > to live forever, and when he goes, I have not > > > > seen any indication that *anyone* else within the > > > > TM movement could inspire more than a handful > > > > of people to come to a course. They could plead > > > > and cry and beg and claim that the world is going > > > > to end if people don't come, and everyone would > > > > ignore them, because they just don't have the > > > > chops to pull that sort of thing off. Not one > > > > of them. As I've said in another context recently, > > > > not one of them has done anything to *deserve* > > > > such faith or to inspire the necessary suspension > > > > of disbelief. And not one of them is likely to > > > > in any of our lifetimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > As I read your post, two personalities came to mind: > > > > > > 1) Muktananda. Replaced by his "dual" chosen > > > successors -- a > > > brother and sister -- there was almost immediately a > > > huge fight > > > between the two of them, with the sister winning > > > out. That, along > > > with the fact that neither of them possessed the > > > charisma of > > > Muktananda, meant that their organisation is today > > > but a glimmer of > > > what it was during Muktananda's hayday. Of course > > > there's also > > > the "sexual revelation" factor as well: that is, the > > > revelations > > > about sex that came up in a big way after his death > > > also contributed > > > to the loss of popularity of their movement. > > > > > > So this is an interesting model for what may befall > > > the TMO after > > > MMY dies: we on this forum know that sexual > > > revelations will be > > > coming out,just as they did with Muktananda. The > > > difference is that > > > Muktananda allegedly had relations with young girls > > > and MMY's > > > alleged dalliances were with fully formed females > > > (i.e. 18 years > > > plus). > > > > > > But the other similar factor is the "charisma > > > factor". As you point > > > out, who on the horizon has the same degree of > > > charisma? > > > > As I've mentioned before, I think TM people will > > "join" SSRS in droves after MMY drops the body. > > > > I think you've got something there. > > Sadly, the current TMO and the people involved in it are, by > necessity, guru-followers (if they weren't they would have, by > necessity of logic and rationality, left long ago). Without the > guru figure in MMY, they will seek another out and I don't think a > Nader Raam with a crown on his head and his weight in gold or a > Bevan or a John makes it in that category for thoe type of folks. I'm not ready to write King Tony off. MMY clearly appointed him to be his successor, and for a while, at least, he probably gets a honeymoon with the guru- followers because they're going to view Nader as they were told to do by MMY, as the new leader of the TMO. Whether that will *last* depends on whether Nader has been hiding his light under a bushel, waiting for MMY to be gone. From what little I've seen of him, I wouldn't be surprised if he turns up the wattage after MMY dies and proves to be plenty charismatic in his own right. On the other hand, I won't be surprised if he doesn't, either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The Nazi imaging is too obvious. > > > > That's why I prefer Ethel Merman's portrayal of Sylvester's > > mother "Mrs. Marcus" from "It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world". > > > > Or Billie Bats. > > Yes, way too obvious, but it needed to be said, or so I thought. I > wouldn't have wanted Nosferatu Stein to overlook the point. No one > else would/does. > > Am I an official ANTI-TM ADVOCATE, well, I tend to see Ms Nosferatu > as Innocent III and many like myself as the Cathars. Egomania is a > sickness that I do not think can be fought. The one we have to deal > with here, with its obvious elements of sociopathy, is simply > beyond reason of any kind. You don't think you could be going just a *little* over the edge here, do you, gerbal? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flyers Story on Yahoo and Raw Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060726/lf_afp/mideastconflictisrael_06072 > 6151442 > > > > On Raw Story you can leave comments: > > www.rawstory.com > > Thanks, Barry, would never have know about this. As a friend of mine > likes to say "eyeroll" -- I don't know if you are familiar with the > animation Futurama, but I tend to see those skeptical among us as > represented by Kiff and the Maheshites as represented by Zapp > Branigan. It's easy to react with an eyeroll, but to be honest I respect this former Colonel and his attempts to put his life on the line for his beliefs and "kill enmity" more than I respect those who pay lip service to that concept and then do their best to keep enmity alive. I'm betting that if a Hezbollah member offered to buy this former Israeli Colonel lunch, he'd go. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The Nazi imaging is too obvious. > > > > That's why I prefer Ethel Merman's portrayal of Sylvester's > > mother "Mrs. Marcus" from "It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world". > > > > Or Billie Bats. > > Yes, way too obvious, but it needed to be said, or so I thought. I > wouldn't have wanted Nosferatu Stein to overlook the point. No one > else would/does. > > Am I an official ANTI-TM ADVOCATE, well, I tend to see Ms Nosferatu > as Innocent III and many like myself as the Cathars. Egomania is a > sickness that I do not think can be fought. The one we have to deal > with here, with its obvious elements of sociopathy, is simply beyond > reason of any kind. Either you live in her Guam or you do not; either > you bother with her invective or you ignore her. > > Unlike Innocent III, she won't show up on your doorstep. Besides, > this isn't the 12 century, for most of us. > > It's an apt image and whilst I adore Ethel Merman > What I find disconcerting about l'Affaire Stein is that she is, like myself, a regular TMer. And this presented an interesting although awkward (for me) juxtaposition, as I mentioned in a previous post: Curtis, who told us that when he left the TMO was told he wasn't meditating properly, and yet here we have Judy who does. Perhaps, in light of this, we should inquire from Curtis what the IMPROPER way of meditating was if proper meditating produces a Judy Stein. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flyers Story on Yahoo and Raw Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060726/lf_afp/mideastconflictisrael_0607 2 > > 6151442 > > > > > > On Raw Story you can leave comments: > > > www.rawstory.com > > > > Thanks, Barry, would never have know about this. As a friend of mine > > likes to say "eyeroll" -- I don't know if you are familiar with the > > animation Futurama, but I tend to see those skeptical among us as > > represented by Kiff and the Maheshites as represented by Zapp > > Branigan. > > It's easy to react with an eyeroll, but to be honest > I respect this former Colonel and his attempts to put > his life on the line for his beliefs and "kill enmity" > more than I respect those who pay lip service to that > concept and then do their best to keep enmity alive. > > I'm betting that if a Hezbollah member offered to buy > this former Israeli Colonel lunch, he'd go. > I wouldn't have seen it that way, but thank you for pointing it out. Yes, there is something about wanting to destroy enmity that is vastly superior to my eyeroll (although I do still tend to sigh at the fuility of it). When it comes to peacemakers, I tend to feel strongly about the way HH the Dalai Lama goes about it. Bouncing on your Butt for peace, even by the sincerest of sincere folk still smaks of brainwashing, delusional thinking and having been lead down the garden path at your own great expense. Still, I do appreciate your take on the matter. I'll re-read the story in the light you shed on it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Nazi imaging is too obvious. > > > > > > That's why I prefer Ethel Merman's portrayal of Sylvester's > > > mother "Mrs. Marcus" from "It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world". > > > > > > Or Billie Bats. > > > > Yes, way too obvious, but it needed to be said, or so I thought. I > > wouldn't have wanted Nosferatu Stein to overlook the point. No one > > else would/does. > > > > Am I an official ANTI-TM ADVOCATE, well, I tend to see Ms > Nosferatu > > as Innocent III and many like myself as the Cathars. Egomania is a > > sickness that I do not think can be fought. The one we have to > deal > > with here, with its obvious elements of sociopathy, is simply > beyond > > reason of any kind. Either you live in her Guam or you do not; > either > > you bother with her invective or you ignore her. > > > > Unlike Innocent III, she won't show up on your doorstep. Besides, > > this isn't the 12 century, for most of us. > > > > It's an apt image and whilst I adore Ethel Merman > > > > What I find disconcerting about l'Affaire Stein is that she is, like > myself, a regular TMer. And this presented an interesting although > awkward (for me) juxtaposition, as I mentioned in a previous post: > Curtis, who told us that when he left the TMO was told he wasn't > meditating properly, and yet here we have Judy who does. > > Perhaps, in light of this, we should inquire from Curtis what the > IMPROPER way of meditating was if proper meditating produces a Judy > Stein. > I tend to put people who wake up to the Maheshshite delusion in the same boat with those who leave cults like Jehovah's Witnesses. They are shunned. I am sure that is painful as it usually involves family. I have no problem with people doing TM regularly. God only knows what l'Affaire Stein is all about. She, by her own account, no doubt does TM the correct way ... but what in the name of sanity might that be? If you like conundrums, then you gotta love the undead Stein. Otherwise, why bother. Personally, I think being dumped by the Beatles drove the old Weasel slightly mad. He was going to out do them and Guru Dev as well. He had enough people to do the research and he could turn anything into money. Anyone finally seeing that could only distance themselves. Those not, could only generate devotion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flyers @Yahoo and Raw Story&aUS col.as.well ME
I am applying to put my butt where my mouth & command has been but in FF or DC if accepted Col.Ret. UAS signal corps. Awaiting a reply. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flyers Story on Yahoo and Raw Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060726/lf_afp/mideastconflictisrael_0607 2 > > 6151442 > > > > > > On Raw Story you can leave comments: > > > www.rawstory.com > > > > Thanks, Barry, would never have know about this. As a friend of mine > > likes to say "eyeroll" -- I don't know if you are familiar with the > > animation Futurama, but I tend to see those skeptical among us as > > represented by Kiff and the Maheshites as represented by Zapp > > Branigan. > > It's easy to react with an eyeroll, but to be honest > I respect this former Colonel and his attempts to put > his life on the line for his beliefs and "kill enmity" > more than I respect those who pay lip service to that > concept and then do their best to keep enmity alive. > > I'm betting that if a Hezbollah member offered to buy > this former Israeli Colonel lunch, he'd go. This is truly hilarious. Barry's on the verge of hysteria here. To him, the fact that I said I don't respect Curtis is equivalent to Israel bombing Lebanon to get rid of Hezbollah. Trouble is, that analogy casts Curtis as Hezbollah shooting rockets at Israel. PT, BARRY: Curtis and I are two people who don't like each other. We're not armies blowing buildings and civilians to smithereens. The fate of nations doesn't hang on whether we make nice. But speaking of "keeping enmity alive" on the appropriate scale, wouldn't you say that's exactly what *you're* doing? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Yogic Flyers Story on Yahoo and Raw Story
I liked this comment: They told Dubya about the Yogi... ...his only question was, "Where's Boo-Boo?" Bhairitu wrote: >http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060726/lf_afp/mideastconflictisrael_060726151442 > >On Raw Story you can leave comments: >www.rawstory.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flyers Story on Yahoo and Raw Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060726/lf_afp/mideastconflictisrael_060 7 > 2 > > > 6151442 > > > > > > > > On Raw Story you can leave comments: > > > > www.rawstory.com > > > > > > Thanks, Barry, would never have know about this. As a friend of > mine > > > likes to say "eyeroll" -- I don't know if you are familiar with > the > > > animation Futurama, but I tend to see those skeptical among us as > > > represented by Kiff and the Maheshites as represented by Zapp > > > Branigan. > > > > It's easy to react with an eyeroll, but to be honest > > I respect this former Colonel and his attempts to put > > his life on the line for his beliefs and "kill enmity" > > more than I respect those who pay lip service to that > > concept and then do their best to keep enmity alive. > > > > I'm betting that if a Hezbollah member offered to buy > > this former Israeli Colonel lunch, he'd go. > > This is truly hilarious. Barry's on the verge of > hysteria here. > > To him, the fact that I said I don't respect Curtis > is equivalent to Israel bombing Lebanon to get rid > of Hezbollah. The very fact that the Curtis/Judy situation is NOT equivalent to Israel/Hezbollah is precisely why it is so outrageous that you wouldn't consider doing lunch with him. If Curtis WAS Hezbollah to your Israel then I would understand why you would want to turn him down. > > Trouble is, that analogy casts Curtis as Hezbollah > shooting rockets at Israel. > > PT, BARRY: Curtis and I are two people who don't > like each other. We're not armies blowing buildings > and civilians to smithereens. The fate of nations > doesn't hang on whether we make nice. > > But speaking of "keeping enmity alive" on the > appropriate scale, wouldn't you say that's exactly > what *you're* doing? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flyers Story on Yahoo and Raw Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > It's easy to react with an eyeroll, but to be honest > > I respect this former Colonel and his attempts to put > > his life on the line for his beliefs and "kill enmity" > > more than I respect those who pay lip service to that > > concept and then do their best to keep enmity alive. > > > > I'm betting that if a Hezbollah member offered to buy > > this former Israeli Colonel lunch, he'd go. > > I wouldn't have seen it that way, but thank you for pointing it > out. Yes, there is something about wanting to destroy enmity that > is vastly superior to my eyeroll Or your vicious and entirely unprovoked attack... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I find disconcerting about l'Affaire Stein is that she is, like > myself, a regular TMer. And this presented an interesting although > awkward (for me) juxtaposition, as I mentioned in a previous post: > Curtis, who told us that when he left the TMO was told he wasn't > meditating properly, and yet here we have Judy who does. > > Perhaps, in light of this, we should inquire from Curtis what the > IMPROPER way of meditating was if proper meditating produces a Judy > Stein. Another possibility for inquiry, however, would have to do with Curtis, who knocks himself out to cultivate a "nice guy" image. But just how closely does the image conform to the reality? Hey, we could also inquire into *Shemp* while we're at it. Is he the kind of people we think TM should be producing? (Shemp, you know, neither proper nor improper meditating actually produces people.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/zAINmC/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
In a message dated 7/26/06 2:06:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would bet Hindus would consider India their traditional homeland.Dunno. Of the world's 900 million Hindus, about890 million live in India, so clearly the vastmajority would. But there are also other countries(albeit much smaller, obviously) with traditionalHindu cultures.From Wikipedia:Significant numbers of Hindus reside in Bali, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Fiji, Guyana, Nepal, Mauritius, Suriname, Singapore and Trinidad and Tobago. In Nepal and Bali, Hinduism is the major religion, and is still reflected in the traditional culture and architecture. There are also sizeable Hindu populations in Sri Lanka (1.42 million)[25], Pakistan (2 million)[26], Malaysia (1.5 million)[27], United States (766,000)[28], South Africa (654,714)[29], the Middle East (1.4 million)[30] and the United Kingdom (558,342)[31].Would Nepalese and Balinese Hindus consider India theirtraditional homeland? I don't know.It seems to me the "homeland" issue arises mainly whenthere's been a major diaspora of a tribal or ethnicgroup with an associated religion. Messages in this topic (33) Reply (via web post) | Start I've heard Hindus outside of the Indian Subcontinent such as in Bali referred to as expatriates. In other words they or their ancestors migrated from India. Just as Jews migrated from Israel. But India is considered the ancestral homeland. India also at one time incorporated more than what we currently call India. Pakistan all the way to Burma was at one time referred to as Bharat, or India. The very word Hindu came from what people were called that came from the Indus river civilization. They were called Indus. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flyers Story on Yahoo and Raw Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > This is truly hilarious. Barry's on the verge of > > hysteria here. > > > > To him, the fact that I said I don't respect Curtis > > is equivalent to Israel bombing Lebanon to get rid > > of Hezbollah. > > The very fact that the Curtis/Judy situation is NOT equivalent to > Israel/Hezbollah is precisely why it is so outrageous that you > wouldn't consider doing lunch with him. Shemp, take your medication. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have no problem with people doing TM regularly. God only knows > what l'Affaire Stein is all about. She, by her own account, no > doubt does TM the correct way ... but what in the name of sanity > might that be? > > If you like conundrums, then you gotta love the undead Stein. > Otherwise, why bother. Just out of curiosity, what's l'Affaire Gerbal all about here? You suddenly come out of lurkdom to launch a nuclear attack on me. What did I ever do to you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 7/26/06 2:06:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Would Nepalese and Balinese Hindus consider India their > > traditional homeland? I don't know. > > > It seems to me the "homeland" issue arises mainly when > > there's been a major diaspora of a tribal or ethnic > > group with an associated religion. > > I've heard Hindus outside of the Indian Subcontinent such as in > Bali referred to as expatriates. In other words they or their > ancestors migrated from India. Just as Jews migrated from Israel. Well, OK, but that would apply to anyone who migrated from a home country elsewhere, wouldn't it? But India is considered the ancestral > homeland. India also at one time incorporated more than what we currently > call India. Pakistan all the way to Burma was at one time referred to as Bharat, > or India. The very word Hindu came from what people were called that came > from the Indus river civilization. They were called Indus. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > b. It's [Israel] the only place Jews can call home. > > > > > > Other than the various countries they are citizens of, you mean? > > > > A good point. Can you point to any other religion on > > the planet that has a nation specifically reserved > > as (or even considered as) "home" to members of that > > religion? > > > > I somehow doubt that Muslims in other parts of the > > world consider Saudi Arabia "home," > > [snip] > > They have a number of sacred sites they consider "home." > > Mecka and Jerusalem are two. > > Ayodha was another. > > One could say that the manner in which Islam designates certain places > as "Holy" followed by attempting to appropriate these places can be > viewed as an MO of territorial expansion in itself. > > "Religious imperialism," if you will. > Unlike Jewish or Christian or Buddhist designations of certain places as "Holy" by attmpting to appropriate these places? Dare I mention non-reservation holy land of the American Indians? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpionland: worst drought in century
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: > > > > today's Wall Street Journal: > > > > England is having its worst drought in 100 years -- > >folks are growing cactus in their gardens > > You talk crap, bbrigante. > Actually, the Brits have been growing cactus in their gardens for a very long time. It's considered an exotic plant. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 wrote: > > > I have no problem with people doing TM regularly. God only knows > > what l'Affaire Stein is all about. She, by her own account, no > > doubt does TM the correct way ... but what in the name of sanity > > might that be? > > > > If you like conundrums, then you gotta love the undead Stein. > > Otherwise, why bother. > > Just out of curiosity, what's l'Affaire Gerbal all about > here? You suddenly come out of lurkdom to launch a > nuclear attack on me. What did I ever do to you? > Maybe he's made the mistake of reading your posts... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > What I find disconcerting about l'Affaire Stein is that she is, > like > > myself, a regular TMer. And this presented an interesting although > > awkward (for me) juxtaposition, as I mentioned in a previous post: > > Curtis, who told us that when he left the TMO was told he wasn't > > meditating properly, and yet here we have Judy who does. > > > > Perhaps, in light of this, we should inquire from Curtis what the > > IMPROPER way of meditating was if proper meditating produces a Judy > > Stein. > > Another possibility for inquiry, however, would have to > do with Curtis, who knocks himself out to cultivate a > "nice guy" image. But just how closely does the image > conform to the reality? > > Hey, we could also inquire into *Shemp* while we're at > it. Is he the kind of people we think TM should be > producing? Yeah, but first you have to establish whether I meditate correctly... > > (Shemp, you know, neither proper nor improper meditating > actually produces people.) > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But those big courses are fun. I was at Amherst in '79 > and then at MIU for the winter one (was that 84 or > 85). Both were really amazing. I don't know if our > collective consciousness actually does anything, but > the subjective experiences are incredible when you > have large numbers doing program together. Part of Fred Travis's PhD thesis was looking at interpersonal EEG coherence. He gave up on trying to replicate his study, I think. His recent discovery that there is an average "ceiling effect" on EEG coherence during TM practice after only a few months of practice may explain why its hard to replicate. However, I ran accross mention of an "instantaneous" coherence EEG algorithm that I passed on to him recently. It's conceivable that while EEG coherence averaged over 40 second intervals maxes out after ony a few months of practice, examining the coherence in much smaller intervals might allow him to reopen the investigation into inter-personal coherence. If he can do THAT, then he's well on the way to finding reliable evidence for the Maharishi Effect within a labratory setting. That means cheaply and with potential for replication by non-TMing researchers, in case you were wondering... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:55 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > *Mahesh* = Lord Shiva > > Lord Indra, also called *Bhogi*, the God of thunder and rain. > > Cool! > > > > > Perhaps you should just refer to Maharishi as His Holiness as you do > > the Dalai Lama, since you are using equivalent terms anyway. Or > > continue to refer to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as Lord Shiva or Lord > > Indra. Your choice... > > In the case of the Dalai Lama, this name is conferred based on > accomplishment and conferred by living Buddhas. It has a specific > meaning. > > In the case of Mahesh, "Maharishi" is an assumed name, as is "yogi". > These were never conferred by the Shankaracharya tradition he > originally came from, nor are they indicative of accomplishment. > Since SBS and current Shankaracharyas refer to him as "Mahesh", it is > probably respectful to the tradition to follow this tradition (rather > than the spin). > > -Mahavaj Yogi > So the Shankaracharya who presiding over the celebration of Gurudev's birth in 1955 isn't a reliable spiritual authority? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
In a message dated 7/26/06 4:08:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've heard Hindus outside of the Indian Subcontinent such as in> Bali referred to as expatriates. In other words they or their > ancestors migrated from India. Just as Jews migrated from Israel.Well, OK, but that would apply to anyone whomigrated from a home country elsewhere, wouldn'tit? Right but if you trace the roots of just about any Hindu, you'll find they came from India or the Indian subcontinent. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > > > But those big courses are fun. I was at Amherst in '79 > > and then at MIU for the winter one (was that 84 or > > 85). Both were really amazing. I don't know if our > > collective consciousness actually does anything, but > > the subjective experiences are incredible when you > > have large numbers doing program together. > > I agree. Personally, I attribute the subjective > "high" to large numbers of people meditating > together, and don't think that the siddhis have > anything whatsoever to do with it, but I agree > that large courses can be fun. > The EEG of yogic flying (before and/or after hopping --NOT during since that can't be measured as we all agree) is quite coherent at all frequencies, in many different parts of the brain. This is in contrast to the EEG during TM, which is generally coherent mostly in the alpha frequencies in the frontal lobes. That's a striking, measureable difference that correlates with people's subjective impression. Whether or not this is affected by group practice is another matter, of course. > Plus, I think that everyone senses that this > may be the last of them. Maharishi isn't going > to live forever, and when he goes, I have not > seen any indication that *anyone* else within the > TM movement could inspire more than a handful > of people to come to a course. They could plead > and cry and beg and claim that the world is going > to end if people don't come, and everyone would > ignore them, because they just don't have the > chops to pull that sort of thing off. Not one > of them. As I've said in another context recently, > not one of them has done anything to *deserve* > such faith or to inspire the necessary suspension > of disbelief. And not one of them is likely to > in any of our lifetimes. Hence the recertification course, the Rajahs, etc., as Judy and I have been explaining. It creates a core group willing to play the game, even after MMY goes. There are already hundreds, if not thousands of TM teachers unwilling to play the TMO game, but the Rajah/ recert program seperates the truely committed (fanatical?) from the dilletants. > > So IMO this will probably be the Last Big Course, > even though I suspect that Maharishi will see > the final numbers as disappointing. I think that > may be the biggest reason many people are attending, > and that they don't really believe any more that > they're going to affect world conditions. They're > attending out of a sense of nostalgia for the > "good old days" and out of a lingering and quickly > diminishing respect for the guy who *used* to be > able to inspire them. > > That said, I wish all of those who have attended > the best, and I hope they have a great time. At > this point in TM history, those within the TMO > who still have the faith to do so are far more > impressive than those who are trying to exploit it. > Who is trying to exploit the TMO? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
> > Another possibility for inquiry, however, would have to > > do with Curtis, who knocks himself out to cultivate a > > "nice guy" image. But just how closely does the image > > conform to the reality? > > > > Hey, we could also inquire into *Shemp* while we're at > > it. Is he the kind of people we think TM should be > > producing? > > Yeah, but first you have to establish whether I meditate > correctly... "How long have you been meditating?" "When was the last time you meditated?" "It doesn't matter, we will see how you feel after checking." "About how many minutes have you been meditating each time?" "Yes, good, fine, etc." :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I sympathise with Vaj on this issue. > > There is something kinda creepy & oppressive about having to call > someone a 'Maharishi' if one doesn't think he is one, or 'His > Holiness', or even 'Yogi' (remember that MMY had to get someone else > to put together the simple yogasana exercises that were introduced > back in the mid-sixties). So one is left either to use the generally > accepted 'The Maharishi' (regardless of why this term came to be used > by the press back in the sixties). It is a bit unwieldy to use the > name Balbrahmachari Shri Maheshji by which he is credited on an > edition of 'Amrit Kana' (his compilation of Guru Dev's quotations). > > Personally, I think MMY created the problem himself when he > appropriated such a grand sounding name. It was suggested that the > probably reason he did this was;'the name Maharishi is something to > replace "Swami," because in India things are such that if the > name "Swami" is missing, then people would suspect something is > wrong.' - Osho World Online Magazine, June 2004 (towards the end of > section #48 of:- > http://www.oshoworld.com/onlinemag/june2004/htm/glimpses.asp > > You're quoting Bhagwan Shri Rajneesh about the appropriateness of NAMES? What a maroon. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
In a message dated 7/26/06 4:22:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One could say that the manner in which Islam designates certain places> as "Holy" followed by attempting to appropriate these places can be> viewed as an MO of territorial expansion in itself.> > "Religious imperialism," if you will.>Unlike Jewish or Christian or Buddhist designations of certain places as "Holy" by attmpting to appropriate these places? Dare I mention non-reservation holy land of the American Indians? Can you give us an example of how Jews expanded their territories by calling them Holy? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 9:28 AM, Paul Mason wrote: > > > I sympathise with Vaj on this issue. > > > > There is something kinda creepy & oppressive about having to call > > someone a 'Maharishi' if one doesn't think he is one, or 'His > > Holiness', or even 'Yogi' (remember that MMY had to get someone else > > to put together the simple yogasana exercises that were introduced > > back in the mid-sixties). > > > Actually, it was a high school gym teacher IIRC. > So you think MMY knwe no asanas whatsoever, and couldn't intuit which simple selection might be best for his students? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/26/06 12:05:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Unlike the Jews, who entered Israel from Egypt the first time around, > according to their > people's legends? > > > > And lived there for some 2000 years. > What about the Palestinian Arabs and Christians who were originally Jewish whose families lived there for all of that time also? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > b. It's [Israel] the only place Jews can call home. > > > > > > Other than the various countries they are citizens of, you mean? > > > > A good point. Can you point to any other religion on > > the planet that has a nation specifically reserved > > as (or even considered as) "home" to members of that > > religion? > > Not sure, but some Native American tribal religions > might qualify, at least in terms of certain regions > of what became the United States. It may be true > of some African tribal religions as well, perhaps > others here and there. > > The thing is that Jews are historically a *tribe*, > rather than just a group of folks who believe in > the same religion (and the tribe includes secular > Jews). Tribes do tend to have homelands. > Historically they were 12 tribes, but can anyone today identify which tribe their family might belong to? Amd Palestinian Arabs might well be more genetically Jewish than the Europeans, who were often converts, rather than inheriting from an unbroken matrilineal tradition. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/26/06 12:12:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > So the Muslims who have the same mitochondria as the Palestinian Jews aren't > really don't > belong there because they're of the wrong religion? > > > > Culture > Rght. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: (His Holiness) Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi (Yogi)
Hi Robert. or may I call you 'Rishi R G Bhajee'? If someone were to flatter me by calling me 'Rishi' or 'Swami' this wouldn't confer on me the right to use such a title, nor would it be appropriate for me to expect anyone to use it. And I don't reckon someone using the word 'Dad' in itself signifies tuppence, my eldest son almost always calls me Paul (which is my name and I made a conscious decision to let him call me that from the time he was born), my stepson also calls me 'Paul' (which as I've said, is my name, so what else should he call me) and my youngest son calls me 'Dad' (which is also fine, and he calls me this probably because he was encouraged to by his mother from an early age). But I have NEVER asked them to call me by some adopted name such as 'Premanand', I don't expect ANYONE to call me by such a name. Shanti Shanti Shanti Maharshi Premanand Yogi Maharaj --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > wrote: > > > > The options Judy lays out is that everyone must either accept MMY's > > claim that he is a "great rishi" and an authentic yogi and address > him > > such or they're being disrepectful of him. To simply not view him > as > > a great rishi, which according the spiritual texts I've read is > quite > > an exclusive title, without any disrespect is not an option. This > is > > a version of "if you're not with us, you're against us". It's the > > common attitude of authoritarian communities. > > > > To call MMY a bad name is disrespectful, to call him by his actual > > name is not. > > > > I'm not sure this is a big deal or not. The white house makes sure > > the media refer to bush's estate in texas as a "ranch" even though > > there's absolutely nothing ranchy going on there. This is to > > reinforce his image as an average joe in the minds of the > electorate. > > These reinforcements can be subconsciously powerful. I know some > > people who refuse to call MMY Maharishi because they feel it > > reinforces years of conditioning to see him that way, a way which > > doesn't fit their current understanding of him. I respect people > > wanting to use someone's name rather than a title for this reason. > > Otherwise I don't think it matters that much. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:55 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > > > > Perhaps you should just refer to Maharishi as His Holiness as > you > > > > > do the Dalai Lama, since you are using equivalent terms > anyway. Or > > > > > continue to refer to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as Lord Shiva or > Lord > > > > > Indra. Your choice... > > > > > > > > In the case of the Dalai Lama, this name is conferred based on > > > > accomplishment and conferred by living Buddhas. It has a > specific > > > > meaning. > > > > > > FWIW, it's fairly common for Indian teachers to refer > > > to their own masters as "His Holiness." > > > > > > > In the case of Mahesh, "Maharishi" is an assumed name, as > > > > is "yogi". These were never conferred by the Shankaracharya > > > > tradition he originally came from, nor are they indicative of > > > > accomplishment. > > > > > > What tradition conferred the title "Maharshi" on > > > Ramana Maharshi? > > > > > > Who conferred the title "His Holiness" on SSRS? > > > > > > > Since SBS and current Shankaracharyas refer to him as "Mahesh", > it > > > > is probably respectful to the tradition to follow this > tradition > > > > (rather than the spin). > > > > > > Certainly it would be respectful to the orthodox > > > hierarchy that claims to represent Shankara's tradition > > > to go along with its disrespect of Maharishi, just as it > > > would be respectful of the Catholic tradition to consider > > > Martin Luther an excommunicate and apostate. > > > > > > Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that calling > > > MMY "Mahesh" is anything but overtly and deliberately > > > disrespectful to MMY. > > > > > > As I've noted before, according to the editor of "The > > > Collected Works of Ramana Maharshi," the title "Maharshi" > > > (or "Maharishi") is conferred on a teacher who has > > > inaugurated a new spiritual path. That seems to > > > indicate it is not a title that is conferred by the > > > hierarchy of any particular tradition; it's given to > > > someone who essentially starts a new tradition. > > > > > > In MMY's case--according to him, at least--he has > > > *revived* a tradition, believing the current version > > > of that tradition has been corrupted--very similar to > > > Martin Luther's stance vis-a-vis the Catholic version > > > of the Christian tradition. Naturally the hierarchy > > > of Catholicism isn't about to accept Luther's revival > > > as the legitimate version of the Christian tradition; > > > nei
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 10:41 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > >> > >> On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:55 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: > >> > > > > > >>> Perhaps you should just refer to Maharishi as His Holiness as you > >>> do the Dalai Lama, since you are using equivalent terms anyway. Or > >>> continue to refer to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as Lord Shiva or Lord > >>> Indra. Your choice... > >>> > >> > >> In the case of the Dalai Lama, this name is conferred based on > >> accomplishment and conferred by living Buddhas. It has a specific > >> meaning. > >> > > > > FWIW, it's fairly common for Indian teachers to refer > > to their own masters as "His Holiness." > > > > > >> In the case of Mahesh, "Maharishi" is an assumed name, as > >> is "yogi". These were never conferred by the Shankaracharya > >> tradition he originally came from, nor are they indicative of > >> accomplishment. > >> > > > > What tradition conferred the title "Maharshi" on > > Ramana Maharshi? > > > A saint, a muni IIRC. > And Tatewalle Baba used to speak at MMY's ahsram. Matanada Mayi used to visit him. MMY's "pet" Shankaracharya was the one who presided over the 1957 celebration of Gurudev's birthday and HE acknowledged the title. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/24/06 10:02:11 P.M. Central > Daylight > > > > Time, > > > > > > > larry.potter@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the Palestinians are indeed a myth, then the real > > > question > > > > > > > becomes "Why?" Why invent an imaginary people? The > answer > > > is, > > > > the > > > > > > > myth of the Palestinian people serves as the > > justification > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Arab occupation of the Land of Israel. While the Arabs > > > > already > > > > > > > possess 21 sovereign countries of their own (more than > > any > > > > other > > > > > > > people on earth) and control a land mass 800 times the > > size > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Land of Israel, this is apparently not enough for them. > > > They > > > > > > > therefore feel the need to rob the Jews of their one and > > > only > > > > > > > country, one of the smallest on the planet. > Unfortunately, > > > > many > > > > > > > people ignorant of the history of the region, including > > > much > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > world media, are only too willing to help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yehezkel Bin-Nun 2002 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was always an Arab/ Israeli conflict until the > sixties > > > then > > > > it > > > > > > was > > > > > > > repackaged into an Israeli/ Palestinian conflict to gain > > > > sympathy > > > > > > for the Arab > > > > > > > cause to drive Israel into the sea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ditto. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm, so the presence of the Palestinians didn't enter into > > the > > > > situation until the 1967 > > > > > war? > > > > > > > > > > > > > The term 'plastenian people' was made up and used by the > media > > in > > > > the last 15 years or so. > > > > > > > > All those Arabs, who now call themselves "Palestinians" etc. > are > > > in > > > > fact scavengers who invaded Israel from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon > > etc>> > > > > > > > > > Palestinian Jews, and Palestinian Arabs were terms used since > > long > > > before Israel was created in 1949. It is used as a term on > > > international documents from the early part of this century. I > > have > > > very large Bible from 1850's that has big map with a clearly > > defined > > > country marked on it (much like the one today) that is > > > called "Palestine" and is colored in gold color. > > > > > > OffWorld > > > > In addition, on this Christian Bible from the 1850's there is no > > Israel on the mapanywhere. It was not even considered a > > notion even by the Jews. It is a new notion started by a > zionist > > zealot in London, late 19th centurey, who was a member of a > powerful > > Jewish lobby in London. > > > > Your own US state department website states this. > > > > OffWorld > > > > "Zionist zealot"..."powerful Jewish lobby" > > H. > Well, YEAH. Zionism was, for many, a very violent, fanatical movement (still is for some). And do you really deny the existence of powerful Jewish lobbies --and industries, like early Hollywood? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
"> Another possibility for inquiry, however, would have to > do with Curtis, who knocks himself out to cultivate a > "nice guy" image. But just how closely does the image > conform to the reality?" > WTF? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > What I find disconcerting about l'Affaire Stein is that she is, > like > > myself, a regular TMer. And this presented an interesting although > > awkward (for me) juxtaposition, as I mentioned in a previous post: > > Curtis, who told us that when he left the TMO was told he wasn't > > meditating properly, and yet here we have Judy who does. > > > > Perhaps, in light of this, we should inquire from Curtis what the > > IMPROPER way of meditating was if proper meditating produces a Judy > > Stein. > > Another possibility for inquiry, however, would have to > do with Curtis, who knocks himself out to cultivate a > "nice guy" image. But just how closely does the image > conform to the reality? > > Hey, we could also inquire into *Shemp* while we're at > it. Is he the kind of people we think TM should be > producing? > > (Shemp, you know, neither proper nor improper meditating > actually produces people.) > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible America Course News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/26/06 12:01:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > But the other similar factor is the "charisma > > factor". As you point > > out, who on the horizon has the same degree of > > charisma? > > As I've mentioned before, I think TM people will > "join" SSRS in droves after MMY drops the body. > > > > > I have to agree here. SSRS has the Charisma and comes from the tradition > giving the same knowledge and building on it. He's full of energy and is > pursuing the same thing M has been doing all of his life. > Not really. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Bhogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > wrote: > > > > The options Judy lays out is that everyone must either accept > > MMY's claim that he is a "great rishi" and an authentic yogi > > and address him such or they're being disrepectful of him. > > To simply not view him as a great rishi, which according the > > spiritual texts I've read is quite an exclusive title, without > > any disrespect is not an option. This is a version of "if > > you're not with us, you're against us". It's the common > > attitude of authoritarian communities. > > That's a little harsh, Mark. After all, these are certified > "anti-TMers" Judy is talking about who refer to MMY that > way. We know this is true because she said it. > > It would only be "authoritarian" if these were real human > beings, with feelings, who deserve respect. But since that > is clearly not the case, those who know the Truth are > entitled to treat them with disrespect when they treat > MMY with disrespect by referring to him by his given name, > as if he were a normal human being. The noive of such > infidels... > > > To call MMY a bad name is disrespectful, to call him by his > > actual name is not. > > Just wait until they come up with an offical title for > Certified TM Apologist. I've heard that it will be some- > thing like Upholder Of Natural Law. Then if you don't use > that title here on FFL for those upon which it has been > conferred, you too will be deemed disrespectful and will > have earned your own title as an Official Anti-TMer. :-) Oh please. We debated this long and hard over on Wikipedia. Even Andrew Skolnik agrees that the proper way to refer to a public flgure is with the name that 99.999% of the public knows him by. I.E., "Maharishi Mahesh Yogi," or "Maharishi." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
