[FairfieldLife] Re: Where the mantras come from!...

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> 
> > Or do you believe that there are abodes where literal 4-armed
> > deities roam?
> 
> If you don't clearly know all those abodes and all the multi-
> armed deities intimately, clearly, you missed some key advanced 
> techniques. :) (j/k)

Not to mention some really kinky sex. You haven't
lived until you've gotten a hand hand hand hand hand
hand job from one of the Devas...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Sahadeva=coccyx center=restraint (muladhara chakra)

sahadeva (%{saha4-}) mfn. *with the gods*[emph. added] MBh. BhP. ; m. 
N. of a R2shi (with the patr. %{vArSAgira}) RV. i , 107 ; of a man 
(with the patr. %{zAJjaya}) S3Br. ; of the youngest of the five 
Pa1n2d2ava princes (son of Ma1dri1 and reputed son of Pa1n2d2u , best 
really son of the As3vins , and twin-brother of Nakula ; 

. Nakula=sacral 
> center=obedience (svadhishthana chakra)

nakula mfn. (in spite of Pa1n2. 6-3 , 75 prob. not fr. %{na} + %
{kula}) of a partic. colour (perhaps that of the ichneumon) TS. 
RPra1t. ; m. the Bengal mungoose or Viverra Ichneumon (enemy of mice 
and of serpents from whose venom it protects itself by a medic. 
plant ; cf. %{nAkulI}) AV. MBh. &c. ; a son L. ; a partic. musical 
instrument Lalit. ; N. of S3iva L. ; of a son of the As3vins and 
Ma1dri1 (twin-brother of Saha-deva and fourth of the Pa1n2d2u 
princes)  


 Arjuna=lumbar=Self control 
> (manipura chakra)

arjuna mfn. (cf. %{Rjra4} and %{raj}) white , clear (the colour of 
the day RV. vi , 9 , 1 ; of the dawn RV. i , 49 , 3 ; of the 
lightning ; of the milk ; of silver , &c.) ; made of silver AV. iv , 
37 , 4 ; m. the white colour "' L. ; a peacock L. ; cutaneous disease 
Sa1y. on RV. i , 122 , 5 ; the tree Terminalia Arjuna W. and A. ; N. 
of a man RV. i , 122 , 5 ; of Indra VS. S3Br. , of the third of the 
Pind2ava princes (who was a son of Kr2itavi1rya who was slain by 
Paras3ura1ma) ib 

> 
> Bhima=dorsal=vitality (anahata)

bhIma mf(%{A})n. fearful , terrific , terrible awful formidable , 
tremendous RV. &c. &c. (ibc. , fearfully &c.) ; m. Rumex Vesicarius 
L. ; N. of Rudra-S3iva A1s3vGr2. Un2. Sch. ; of one of the 8 forms of 
S3iva Pur. ; of one of the 11 Rudras Pur. ; of a Devagandharva MBh. ; 
of one of the Devas called Vajn5amush ib. ; of a Da1nava ib. 
Katha1s. ; of a Vidya1dhara Katha1s. ; of a son of the Ra1kshasa 
Kumbhakarn2a Cat. ; of the second son of Pa1n2d2u (also called) Bhima-
sena and Vr2iko7dara ; he was only the reputed son of PñPa1n2d2u , 
being really the son of his wife Pr2itha1 or Kunti1 by the wind-god 
Va1yu , and was noted for his size , strength and appetite) 



> Yudisthira=cervical=calmness (vishuddha)

yudhiSThira m. (for %{-sthira}) `" firm or steady in battle "'N. of 
the eldest of the 5 reputed sons of Pa1n2d2u (really the child of 
Pr2itha1 or Kunti1 , Pa1n2d2u's wife , by the god Dharma or Yama , 
whence he is often called Dharma-putra or Dharma-ra1ja ; he 
ultimately succeeded Pa1n2d2u as king , first reigning over Indra-
prastha , and afterwards , when the Kuru princes were defeated , at 
Hastina1-pura ; cf. IW. 379 &c.) MBh. Hariv. Pur. ; of a son of 
Kr2ishn2a Hariv. ; of two kings of Kas3mi1ra Ra1jat. ; of a potter 
Pan5cat. ; (with %{maho7pA7dhyAya}) of a preceptor Cat. ; pl. the 
descendants of Yudhi-sht2hira (son of Pa1n2d2u) Pa1n2. 2-4 , 66 
Sch. ; %{-vijaya} (or %{-dig-v-}) m. N. of a poem by Va1sudeva Parama-
s3iva-yogin of Kerala. [855,2]  

> 
> 
> When these powers or 'warriors' come to the aid (are unfolded) of 
the 
> chela or 'Arjuna' they fight the evil minded sons of the blind King 
> Dhritarashtra; lust, greed, avarice and so on.I could go on but 
> you 
> get the idea.
> 
> The Gita is an alegorical story about the internal battlefield 
> (kurukshetra) of man and his struggle with evil (delusion) and the 
> final victory by ascention to Spirit and the destruction of 
evil.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Of course, I assume that intentional transcending is 
> actually a different physical state than spontaneous 
> transcending, and that the former is an illusion, 
> while the latter is based on a simple physical change 
> in how the brain processes information, as a for 
> example of where I'm coming from.

So you're saying, essentially, that the fundamental
assumption and bias you bring to any TM research that 
you participate in is based on the idea of elitism,
that TM is unique and better than any other technique,
right?

Again, thanks for being honest about the level of
your TM elitism, but I think that as a result we can 
safely disregard anything you might "discover" in 
conjunction with Fred as actually having anything 
to do with science.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > I¹ve heard that people tend to sit in affinity groups in the 
> > domes: the Amma group, the Waking Down group, etc.
> 
> How about the just plain old superior to everything else, 
> TM/TM-Sidhis group?

That's called the True Believer group. :-)

Thank you at least for being honest about your elitism;
very few of the TBs are.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Newsweek on Dawkins and Harris

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> You are alive my brother!

Is that the new "awake"? :)

Maybe its encroaching too much on "born again".

Still, being "alive!" seems way cooler than merely being "awake".

Of course being "alive AND awake" as i am sure some will soon claim,
is uncool. Clearly not "non-dual". :)

>High five on that.

Yes, prananms raised very high! (said in northern indian accent, its
funny.)


Too bad you have given up religion. This could be BIG! "Get 'Alive!'
by intense devotional concentration on a russian iconic diety /
mind-body synched goddess.

Maybe we can secularize it. Take out all the references to dieties and
godesses. No big sanskrit words. Yea, thats the ticket!

"Be Alive! Now". No the acronym is BAN. It should be BAM. "Be Alive!
Max". A little awkward at first, but after hearing it twice, it grows
on you.

BAM. "Be Alive! Max"

We could give lectures, teach classes, take the best and hold BAM
TTC's. Create BAM centers in every 1,000,000 popultion. Wow, these
plans just roll off the tongue. As Jim Ignokowski (sp) in Taxi said,
after he stumbled to the piano, having no clue how to play, sitting
down and playing some classical piece flawlessly, "WOW. I must have
had lessons!".


>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I was playing a show today so I taped the tennis. I fast
forwarded 4
> > > hours of tape and only got dudes playing! I totally got ripped
on my
> > > perv tennis needs today. When are the women playing?
> >
> > I know. Its been sparse. I saw Meuresmo plow through someone. And
> > Lindsey (Davenport) squeaked out a 3 set tie breaker win. And I saw
> > the last 3 min of the "new Sharapova" -- a 17 year old chezch girl.
> > Diomotiva or something. No Maria, No Justine. No Kim. No Dimenetiava.
> > (sp) No Martina (hingis) that I have seen. Martina is looking very
> > angelina jolie these days.
> >
> >
> > > BTW Agassi's
> > > end of career game today was kinda moving.
> >
> > Yes. I thought he might pull it out. Now -- an end of and era. He was
> > clearly overtaken by the emotion of it. He is a quality guy / player.
> > Great couple with Steffi. Such an icon, she.
> >
> > Roddick tweaked out a fith set sin. Barely. Against a spamish 2nd tier
> > guy.
> >
> >
> > > But if they ever have a 24
> > > hour all women tennis cable channel I willonly leave my house for
> > > gigs!
> >
> > I'm there. And if they need extra programming they could fill in with
> > womens ice skating. Heck, just make it the Sasha Coehn channel. Maybe
> > a few hours of womens sufing. And womens alpine skiing. Who would
sleep!
> >
> > I'll keep an eye out for the ad you mentioned, thanks for the
> > > heads up.
> >
> > Its saturating the air. One of the most powerful ads I have seen in
> > recent years. It may not make me want to run out and buy Nike's -- but
> > damn -- I sure want to "just do it".
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for posting this, I would have missed it. I am so
> happy that
> > > > > this perspective is in the mainstream media and on a group like
> > this.
> > > > > It speaks well for the open mindedness of both. I think at
> the end
> > > > > of the article they misjudged the number of people who have
> dropped
> > > > > the belief in any of the recently popular God ideas on earth.
> I am
> > > > > not a member of the American Atheists which they use as the low
> > number
> > > > > of people who think this way. I can say that being an
outspoken,
> > > > > positive atheist makes me a safe person for some people to
express
> > > > > their spiritual doubts to. I have so often been pulled aside
> when I
> > > > > have expressed my lack of belief by someone who feels bullied by
> > > > > believers to tow the party line. I know that faith and mystical
> > > > > experience is cherished by many here on this group. I greatly
> > > > > appreciate that my lack of valuing these experiences and
> beliefs is
> > > > > accepted by most of the people I communicate with here. We
> all have
> > > > > our own reasons for including and excluding beliefs. Nobody
> > believes
> > > > > everything. We are all on that same human mission to
discover the
> > > > > meaning for our own lives. That is a much greater commonality
> than
> > > > > whatever specifics each of us has come up with so far. I
consider
> > > > > myself and everyone here a work in progress. I enjoy hearing
> about
> > > > > and sharing what we are noticing along the way. This post
made me
> > > > > feel really glad I check in here, thanks. Kumbaya baby. Thanks
> > > > purushaz.
> > > >
> > > > Its all cool. As long as you don't start thinking Maria is ever
> > > > anything less than divine. :)
> > > >
> > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Newsweek on Dawkins and Harris

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> You are alive my brother!

Is that the new "awake"? :) 

Maybe its encroaching too much on "born again".

Still, being "alive!" seems way cooler than merely being "awake".
 
Of course being "alive AND awake" as i am sure some will soon claim,
is uncool. Clearly not "non-dual". :)

>High five on that.

Yes, prananms raised very high! (said in northern indian accent, its
funny.)

 
Too bad you have given religion. This could be BIG! "Get 'Alive!' by
intense devotional concentration on a russian iconic diety / goddess. 

Maybe we can secularize it. Take out all the references to dieties and
godesses. No big sanskrit words. Yea, thats the ticket! 

"Be Alive! Now". No the acronym is BAN. It should be BAM. "Be Alive!
Max". A little awkward at first, but after hearing it twice, it grows
on you.

BAM. "Be Alive! Max"

We could give lectures, teach classes, take the best and hold BAM
TTC's. Create BAM centers in every 1,000,000 popultion. Wow, these
plans just roll off the tongue. As Jim Ignokowski (sp) in Taxi said,
after he stumbled to the piano, having no clue how to play, sitting
down and playing some classical piece flawlessly, "WOW. I must have
had lessons!".


> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I was playing a show today so I taped the tennis.  I  fast
forwarded 4
> > > hours of tape and only got dudes playing!  I totally got ripped
on my
> > > perv tennis needs today.  When are the women playing?  
> > 
> > I know. Its been sparse. I saw Meuresmo plow through someone. And
> > Lindsey (Davenport) squeaked out a 3 set tie breaker win. And I saw
> > the last 3 min of the "new Sharapova" -- a 17 year old chezch girl.
> > Diomotiva or something. No Maria, No Justine. No Kim. No Dimenetiava.
> > (sp) No Martina (hingis)  that I have seen.   Martina is looking very
> > angelina jolie these days.
> > 
> > 
> > > BTW Agassi's
> > > end of career game today was kinda moving.  
> > 
> > Yes. I thought he might pull it out. Now -- an end of and era. He was
> > clearly overtaken by the emotion of it. He is a quality guy / player.
> > Great couple with Steffi. Such an icon, she.
> > 
> > Roddick tweaked out a fith set sin. Barely. Against a spamish 2nd tier
> > guy.
> > 
> > 
> > > But if they ever have a 24
> > > hour all women tennis cable channel I willonly leave my house for
> > > gigs!
> > 
> > I'm there. And if they need extra programming they could fill in with
> > womens ice skating. Heck, just make it the Sasha Coehn channel. Maybe
> > a few hours of womens sufing. And womens alpine skiing. Who would
sleep!
> > 
> >   I'll keep an eye out for the ad you mentioned, thanks for the
> > > heads up. 
> > 
> > Its saturating the air. One of the most powerful ads I have seen in
> > recent years. It may not make me want to run out and buy Nike's -- but
> > damn -- I sure want to "just do it".
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for posting this, I would have missed it.  I am so
> happy that
> > > > > this perspective is in the mainstream media and on a group like
> > this.
> > > > >  It speaks well for the open mindedness of both.  I think at
> the end
> > > > > of the article they misjudged the number of people who have
> dropped
> > > > > the belief in any of the recently popular God ideas on earth.
>  I am
> > > > > not a member of the American Atheists which they use as the low
> > number
> > > > > of people who think this way.  I can say that being an
outspoken,
> > > > > positive atheist makes me a safe person for some people to
express
> > > > > their spiritual doubts to.  I have so often been pulled aside
> when I
> > > > > have expressed my lack of belief by someone who feels bullied by
> > > > > believers to tow the party line.  I know that faith and mystical
> > > > > experience is cherished by many here on this group.  I greatly
> > > > > appreciate that my lack of valuing these experiences and
> beliefs is
> > > > > accepted by most of the people I communicate with here.  We
> all have
> > > > > our own reasons for including and excluding beliefs.  Nobody
> > believes
> > > > > everything.  We are all on that same human mission to
discover the
> > > > > meaning for our own lives.  That is a much greater commonality
> than
> > > > > whatever specifics each of us has come up with so far.  I
consider
> > > > > myself and everyone here a work in progress.  I enjoy hearing
> about
> > > > > and sharing what we are noticing along the way.  This post
made me
> > > > > feel really glad I check in here, thanks. Kumbaya baby.  Thanks
> > > > purushaz.
> > > > 
> > > > Its all cool. As long as you don't start thinking Maria is ever
> > > > anything les

[FairfieldLife] Re: The 7chakras as found in the Mundaka Upanishad...

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "The flame has seven licking tongues: Kali, the dark one; the terrible; 
> the swift-as-thought; the crimson one; the smoky-colored; the sparkling 
> one; and Devi, she who takes all forms."
> 
> "Whoever performs the sacrifice correctly, when these seven are 
> *enlivened, he is led by them, as the rays of the sun, to the world of 
> the lord of the gods."
> 
> From "The Upanishads" by Alistair Shearer and Peter Russell both TM 
> practioners!!
> 
> Notice how each tongue lines up so beautifully with each chakra; Kali 
> being the Shakti power of Mother Divine, the crimson one equal to the 
> Heart chakra and its color RED,the sparkling one equal to the 6th 
> anahata chakra effusing pure spiritual light, and so on...Billyg.
> 
> P.S. The 'sacrifice' or Yajna is offering the ego or little self into 
> the ineffable Spirit..when done correctly. Samadhi!
>

Or the Chakra thing came later as the original meaning was lost.

Seeing how Chakra stuff, for the most part, appears 2000 years after the Gita, 
and several 
thounds years more after the Vedas, this certainly seems at least (at least) 
equally 
plausible..







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> 
> > > The third eye is the portal to infinity, that's why it's 
> important! 
> > > Unfolding of the chakras unfold powers of morality, self control, 
> > > chastity, descrimination, etc. That is why we meditate, and the 
> > > unfolding of the chakras is the methodology from which we get 
> these 
> > > powers and win the battle of life, (i.e. good over evil).
> > >
> > 
> > So, when does this concept appear? It's not in the Upanishads, 
> Bhagavad Gita or Yoga Sutras. 
> > Where is it?
> 
> In the Bhagavad Gita it is referred to allegorically (as that is what 
> the Gita is, an allegory) as the 5 Pandavas which represent the 5 
> lower 
> chakras:
> 
> Sahadeva=coccyx center=restraint (muladhara chakra). Nakula=sacral 
> center=obedience (svadhishthana chakra) Arjuna=lumbar=Self control 
> (manipura chakra)
> 
> Bhima=dorsal=vitality (anahata)
> Yudisthira=cervical=calmness (vishuddha)
> 
> 
An interesting idea. Is that an ancient commentary, or one that post-dates the 
1000+ AD 
works on the subject?

> When these powers or 'warriors' come to the aid (are unfolded) of the 
> chela or 'Arjuna' they fight the evil minded sons of the blind King 
> Dhritarashtra; lust, greed, avarice and so on.I could go on but 
> you 
> get the idea.
> 
> The Gita is an alegorical story about the internal battlefield 
> (kurukshetra) of man and his struggle with evil (delusion) and the 
> final victory by ascention to Spirit and the destruction of evil.
>

Of course, I could make a case, valid or no, that the 5 Pandavas refer to the 5 
senses or 
somesuch...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> > 
> > Yours in desperation,
> > 
> > geezerfreak (who doesn't even have the guts
> > to sign his own name...)
> 
> OK Judy, time to come clean. The name's Bevan Morris. Perhaps you've
> heard of me? I'd really appreciate you're curbing these assholic 
posts
> of yours. They annoy Maharishi no end. First time I've heard him call
> someone a twat in years! (He does appreciate your knowing that
> imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.)
>
drinky drinky!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Newsweek on Dawkins and Harris

[curtisdeltablues]

You are alive my brother! High five on that.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> >
> > I was playing a show today so I taped the tennis.  I  fast forwarded 4
> > hours of tape and only got dudes playing!  I totally got ripped on my
> > perv tennis needs today.  When are the women playing?  
> 
> I know. Its been sparse. I saw Meuresmo plow through someone. And
> Lindsey (Davenport) squeaked out a 3 set tie breaker win. And I saw
> the last 3 min of the "new Sharapova" -- a 17 year old chezch girl.
> Diomotiva or something. No Maria, No Justine. No Kim. No Dimenetiava.
> (sp) No Martina (hingis)  that I have seen.   Martina is looking very
> angelina jolie these days.
> 
> 
> > BTW Agassi's
> > end of career game today was kinda moving.  
> 
> Yes. I thought he might pull it out. Now -- an end of and era. He was
> clearly overtaken by the emotion of it. He is a quality guy / player.
> Great couple with Steffi. Such an icon, she.
> 
> Roddick tweaked out a fith set sin. Barely. Against a spamish 2nd tier
> guy.
> 
> 
> > But if they ever have a 24
> > hour all women tennis cable channel I willonly leave my house for
> > gigs!
> 
> I'm there. And if they need extra programming they could fill in with
> womens ice skating. Heck, just make it the Sasha Coehn channel. Maybe
> a few hours of womens sufing. And womens alpine skiing. Who would sleep!
> 
>   I'll keep an eye out for the ad you mentioned, thanks for the
> > heads up. 
> 
> Its saturating the air. One of the most powerful ads I have seen in
> recent years. It may not make me want to run out and buy Nike's -- but
> damn -- I sure want to "just do it".
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for posting this, I would have missed it.  I am so
happy that
> > > > this perspective is in the mainstream media and on a group like
> this.
> > > >  It speaks well for the open mindedness of both.  I think at
the end
> > > > of the article they misjudged the number of people who have
dropped
> > > > the belief in any of the recently popular God ideas on earth.
 I am
> > > > not a member of the American Atheists which they use as the low
> number
> > > > of people who think this way.  I can say that being an outspoken,
> > > > positive atheist makes me a safe person for some people to express
> > > > their spiritual doubts to.  I have so often been pulled aside
when I
> > > > have expressed my lack of belief by someone who feels bullied by
> > > > believers to tow the party line.  I know that faith and mystical
> > > > experience is cherished by many here on this group.  I greatly
> > > > appreciate that my lack of valuing these experiences and
beliefs is
> > > > accepted by most of the people I communicate with here.  We
all have
> > > > our own reasons for including and excluding beliefs.  Nobody
> believes
> > > > everything.  We are all on that same human mission to discover the
> > > > meaning for our own lives.  That is a much greater commonality
than
> > > > whatever specifics each of us has come up with so far.  I consider
> > > > myself and everyone here a work in progress.  I enjoy hearing
about
> > > > and sharing what we are noticing along the way.  This post made me
> > > > feel really glad I check in here, thanks. Kumbaya baby.  Thanks
> > > purushaz.
> > > 
> > > Its all cool. As long as you don't start thinking Maria is ever
> > > anything less than divine. :)
> > > 
> > > (Have you seen her new "I Feel Pretty" Nike ads?  Catches her well I
> > > think. A very serious, focussed, towering, powerful, world-class
> > > athlete. Who just happens to be beautiful. With a brain.)
> > >
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Newsweek on Dawkins and Harris

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was playing a show today so I taped the tennis.  I  fast forwarded 4
> hours of tape and only got dudes playing!  I totally got ripped on my
> perv tennis needs today.  When are the women playing?  

I know. Its been sparse. I saw Meuresmo plow through someone. And
Lindsey (Davenport) squeaked out a 3 set tie breaker win. And I saw
the last 3 min of the "new Sharapova" -- a 17 year old chezch girl.
Diomotiva or something. No Maria, No Justine. No Kim. No Dimenetiava.
(sp) No Martina (hingis)  that I have seen.   Martina is looking very
angelina jolie these days.


> BTW Agassi's
> end of career game today was kinda moving.  

Yes. I thought he might pull it out. Now -- an end of and era. He was
clearly overtaken by the emotion of it. He is a quality guy / player.
Great couple with Steffi. Such an icon, she.

Roddick tweaked out a fith set sin. Barely. Against a spamish 2nd tier
guy.


> But if they ever have a 24
> hour all women tennis cable channel I willonly leave my house for
> gigs!

I'm there. And if they need extra programming they could fill in with
womens ice skating. Heck, just make it the Sasha Coehn channel. Maybe
a few hours of womens sufing. And womens alpine skiing. Who would sleep!

  I'll keep an eye out for the ad you mentioned, thanks for the
> heads up. 

Its saturating the air. One of the most powerful ads I have seen in
recent years. It may not make me want to run out and buy Nike's -- but
damn -- I sure want to "just do it".


> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for posting this, I would have missed it.  I am so happy that
> > > this perspective is in the mainstream media and on a group like
this.
> > >  It speaks well for the open mindedness of both.  I think at the end
> > > of the article they misjudged the number of people who have dropped
> > > the belief in any of the recently popular God ideas on earth.  I am
> > > not a member of the American Atheists which they use as the low
number
> > > of people who think this way.  I can say that being an outspoken,
> > > positive atheist makes me a safe person for some people to express
> > > their spiritual doubts to.  I have so often been pulled aside when I
> > > have expressed my lack of belief by someone who feels bullied by
> > > believers to tow the party line.  I know that faith and mystical
> > > experience is cherished by many here on this group.  I greatly
> > > appreciate that my lack of valuing these experiences and beliefs is
> > > accepted by most of the people I communicate with here.  We all have
> > > our own reasons for including and excluding beliefs.  Nobody
believes
> > > everything.  We are all on that same human mission to discover the
> > > meaning for our own lives.  That is a much greater commonality than
> > > whatever specifics each of us has come up with so far.  I consider
> > > myself and everyone here a work in progress.  I enjoy hearing about
> > > and sharing what we are noticing along the way.  This post made me
> > > feel really glad I check in here, thanks. Kumbaya baby.  Thanks
> > purushaz.
> > 
> > Its all cool. As long as you don't start thinking Maria is ever
> > anything less than divine. :)
> > 
> > (Have you seen her new "I Feel Pretty" Nike ads?  Catches her well I
> > think. A very serious, focussed, towering, powerful, world-class
> > athlete. Who just happens to be beautiful. With a brain.)
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

[geezerfreak]

> 
> Yours in desperation,
> 
> geezerfreak (who doesn't even have the guts
> to sign his own name...)

OK Judy, time to come clean. The name's Bevan Morris. Perhaps you've
heard of me? I'd really appreciate you're curbing these assholic posts
of yours. They annoy Maharishi no end. First time I've heard him call
someone a twat in years! (He does appreciate your knowing that
imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.)





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[FairfieldLife] Sthapathyaved homes in FL, OH

[bob_brigante]

FL:
http://www.mandalaclub.com/page/page/1505387.htm

OH:
http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=305770&Category=9

"When you walk into a kitchen, you should feel hunger. When you walk 
into a bedroom, you should feel sleepy. When you walk into a family 
room, you should feel relaxed and happy. It sounds esoteric, but 
there is so much research on it now, that people are starting to 
believe it."

He said the kitchen should face southeast, where the sun first hits 
the house, for example. A bedroom should be on the opposite side.

Though the rooms can be arranged in different ways, a common element 
is a room in the center of the house called a Brahmastan.

"It is a silent core for the home that helps balance the home — it 
gives the house a sense of peace and connection," Ederer said. "How 
it works, I don't know. I can guarantee we can blindfold you and take 
you into four houses, and if only one is Veda Sthapatya constructed, 
you would be able to tell."



http://www.vedicarchitecture.org/






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[FairfieldLife] Lynch's new film, maybe the quirkiest yet

[bob_brigante]

http://tinyurl.com/htcdk (registration required)

selected text below:

'Inland Empire' -- Just Don't Expect to See the 91 (freeway)

WEDNESDAY DEBUT: Those who have seen and been in the quirky flick 
aren't sure what to make of it.
 

10:00 PM PDT on Saturday, September 2, 2006

By HELENE BLATTER
The Press-Enterprise
 

On Wednesday, avant-garde director David Lynch will debut his latest 
film, "Inland Empire," at the Venice Film Festival, catapulting the 
region -- for better or worse -- onto the international stage.

 
In the Variety article, the Inland Empire of Lynch's film, which he 
prefers spelled out in capital letters as INLAND EMPIRE, is explained 
as "the bleak residential area on the edge of the desert in L.A." 
(the reporter's description, not Lynch's). But whether that harsh 
take on the region will manifest on the silver screen is unclear.

Sheri Davis, of the Inland Empire Film Commission, said Lynch did not 
request permits to film in the area, a process required for filming 
at both public and private locations. In fact, much of "Inland 
Empire" was filmed in Lodz, Poland, according to Variety and the film 
database, IMDB.com.

Richard Peña, programming director for the Film Society of Lincoln 
Center, which runs the New York Film Festival, is one of the few who 
have seen the film. He describes it as a plotless collection of 
snippets that explore themes Lynch has been working on for years.

"You couldn't tell somebody it's a movie about..." Peña said.

According to Peña, the film includes a Hollywood story about a young 
actress who gets a part in a film that might be cursed; a story about 
the smuggling of women from Eastern Europe; and an abstract story 
about a family of people with rabbit heads sitting around in a living 
room.

In the listings for the New York Film Festival, where the film will 
make its U.S. debut on Oct. 8, the film is described as "a 
mesmerizing surge through countless looking glasses that lands us on 
the far side of the land of nightmares."

Huh? No mention of the Mission Inn, Palm Springs or California 
Speedway?

Peña, who gave the film high praise for its experimental style, said 
he wasn't familiar with the Inland Empire but confirmed that the film 
is set in Southern California.

It remains unknown why Lynch chose to make a film named after this 
area. However, his 90-year-old father lives in Riverside.

Peña said he believes Lynch uses "Inland Empire" as a double 
entendre, referring to both Southern California and the self-
conscious, or the "inland empire" of the mind.

 According to news reports, Lynch began filming without a script, 
writing each scene the day before the shoot.

In an interview with Village Voice last August, Theroux spoke 
candidly about the making of the movie.

"You're so used to directors who have a clear idea what they want, 
but with David, you have to be flexible enough to trust him," he 
said. "I couldn't possibly tell you what the film's about, and at 
this point I don't know that he could. It's become sort of a pastime -
- Laura (Dern) and I sit around on set trying to figure out what's 
going on."

Speaking to the publication Healthy Wealthy -nWise about his interest 
in transcendental meditation, Lynch confirmed his approach to the 
film.

"I've never worked on a project this way before," he said. "I don't 
know exactly how this will unfold."

At the Venice Film Festival, Lynch will receive the Golden Lion for 
lifetime achievement.








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[FairfieldLife] All the gods on one level: unified level

[bob_brigante]

"Christianity has a God, and Islam has a God, and Buddhism has a God,
and this one has a God, and this one has a God – Unified Field has
all the gods on one level: unified level.

So, it is a scientific age that is going to eliminate the thorny edge
of differences of all religions – not only all religions, but all
systems of politics, all systems of economy, all systems of
differences everywhere."
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Global Press Conference, 8 March 2006








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That someone can sell a technique to help people relax does not 
> automatically make them a saint.
> 
>

***

Every post you make only serves to further reduce your credibility. 
Anybody who has actually practiced TM twice a day for more than 30 
years, as you claim, certainly does not think that "relaxation" is 
the whole story of TM. And, of course, your post is a very amusing 
non sequitur which does nothing to dispel the notion that you are, 
like Kai Druhl and other unfortunates, incapable of being around a 
really good man without freaking out...




> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Correction: for the record I dropped practice for a few weeks 
> after 
> > > seeing the look in MMYs eyes whilst standing near him in Royal 
> > Albert 
> > > Hall London in the mid-1970's.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > *
> > 
> > It's not uncommon for highly-stressed individuals to react badly 
to 
> > being in MMY's presence. Here's the account of former MUM prof 
Kai 
> > Druhl:
> > 
> > "In 1990, I first met Maharishi Mahesh Yogi personally. 
Immediately 
> > after the meeting, I noticed signs of demonic oppression. I was 
no 
> > longer able to control my facial expressions during meditation, 
and 
> > my lips would suddenly retreat to expose my clenched teeth. This 
> loss 
> > of control eventually even spread into quiet times, outside of 
> > meditation. At the time, I attributed that to the impending 
release 
> > of a "stress," that I thought had been in me all along."
> > 
> > http://www.thetruelight.net/personalstories/kaidruhl.htm
> > 
> > So you are claiming that although MMY left India and taught you 
and 
> > millions of other Westerners TM, a practice which you say "brings 
> the 
> > light," and which practice you say you have practiced for 30 
years, 
> > you do not regard discomfort around MMY -- the man responsible 
for 
> > teaching you this wonderful technique that you have been 
practicing 
> > for 30 years (!) -- as demonstrating a deficiency in you rather 
> than 
> > MMY?
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Newsweek on Dawkins and Harris

[curtisdeltablues]

I was playing a show today so I taped the tennis.  I  fast forwarded 4
hours of tape and only got dudes playing!  I totally got ripped on my
perv tennis needs today.  When are the women playing?  BTW Agassi's
end of career game today was kinda moving.  But if they ever have a 24
hour all women tennis cable channel I will only leave my house for
gigs!  I'll keep an eye out for the ad you mentioned, thanks for the
heads up.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for posting this, I would have missed it.  I am so happy that
> > this perspective is in the mainstream media and on a group like this.
> >  It speaks well for the open mindedness of both.  I think at the end
> > of the article they misjudged the number of people who have dropped
> > the belief in any of the recently popular God ideas on earth.  I am
> > not a member of the American Atheists which they use as the low number
> > of people who think this way.  I can say that being an outspoken,
> > positive atheist makes me a safe person for some people to express
> > their spiritual doubts to.  I have so often been pulled aside when I
> > have expressed my lack of belief by someone who feels bullied by
> > believers to tow the party line.  I know that faith and mystical
> > experience is cherished by many here on this group.  I greatly
> > appreciate that my lack of valuing these experiences and beliefs is
> > accepted by most of the people I communicate with here.  We all have
> > our own reasons for including and excluding beliefs.  Nobody believes
> > everything.  We are all on that same human mission to discover the
> > meaning for our own lives.  That is a much greater commonality than
> > whatever specifics each of us has come up with so far.  I consider
> > myself and everyone here a work in progress.  I enjoy hearing about
> > and sharing what we are noticing along the way.  This post made me
> > feel really glad I check in here, thanks. Kumbaya baby.  Thanks
> purushaz.
> 
> Its all cool. As long as you don't start thinking Maria is ever
> anything less than divine. :)
> 
> (Have you seen her new "I Feel Pretty" Nike ads?  Catches her well I
> think. A very serious, focussed, towering, powerful, world-class
> athlete. Who just happens to be beautiful. With a brain.)
>







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[FairfieldLife] The 7chakras as found in the Mundaka Upanishad...

[wmurphy77]

> "The flame has seven licking tongues: Kali, the dark one; the 
terrible; 
> the swift-as-thought; the crimson one; the smoky-colored; the 
sparkling 
> one; and Devi, she who takes all forms."
> 
> "Whoever performs the sacrifice correctly, when these seven are 
> *enlivened, he is led by them, as the rays of the sun, to the world 
of 
> the lord of the gods."
> 
> From "The Upanishads" by Alistair Shearer and Peter Russell both TM 
> practioners!!
> 
> Notice how each tongue lines up so with each chakra; Kali 
> being the Shakti power of Mother Divine, the crimson one equal to 
the 
> Heart chakra and its color,the sparkling one equal to the 6th 
> ajna chakra effusing pure spiritual light, and so on...Billyg.
> 
> P.S. The 'sacrifice' or Yajna is offering the ego or little self 
into 
> the ineffable Spirit..when done correctly. Samadhi!
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Newsweek on Dawkins and Harris

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting this, I would have missed it.  I am so happy that
> this perspective is in the mainstream media and on a group like this.
>  It speaks well for the open mindedness of both.  I think at the end
> of the article they misjudged the number of people who have dropped
> the belief in any of the recently popular God ideas on earth.  I am
> not a member of the American Atheists which they use as the low number
> of people who think this way.  I can say that being an outspoken,
> positive atheist makes me a safe person for some people to express
> their spiritual doubts to.  I have so often been pulled aside when I
> have expressed my lack of belief by someone who feels bullied by
> believers to tow the party line.  I know that faith and mystical
> experience is cherished by many here on this group.  I greatly
> appreciate that my lack of valuing these experiences and beliefs is
> accepted by most of the people I communicate with here.  We all have
> our own reasons for including and excluding beliefs.  Nobody believes
> everything.  We are all on that same human mission to discover the
> meaning for our own lives.  That is a much greater commonality than
> whatever specifics each of us has come up with so far.  I consider
> myself and everyone here a work in progress.  I enjoy hearing about
> and sharing what we are noticing along the way.  This post made me
> feel really glad I check in here, thanks. Kumbaya baby.  Thanks
purushaz.

Its all cool. As long as you don't start thinking Maria is ever
anything less than divine. :)

(Have you seen her new "I Feel Pretty" Nike ads?  Catches her well I
think. A very serious, focussed, towering, powerful, world-class
athlete. Who just happens to be beautiful. With a brain.)   







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

[authfriend]

Hi, folks, geezerfreak here.

I know I swore, twice, that I wasn't going to
read or respond to any more of Judy's posts, but
I just can't seem to help myself.  Why am I so
obsessed with someone I've declared irrelevant?
It doesn't make any sense, and the cognitive
dissonance is driving me crazy.

And these *fantasies* I keep having, about her
sitting in front of her computer and never leaving
the house...I mean, for all I know, she may live
a block from the ocean and go out for lovely strolls
along the boardwalk, breathing in the fresh salt
air and enjoying the play of the sun on the waves,
whenever she feels like it during the day.

Please, help me stop humiliating myself!

Yours in desperation,

geezerfreak (who doesn't even have the guts
to sign his own name...)





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > You live to argue, pointlessly.
> > 
> > And you live to deceive.
> 
> Hi kids, Judy here again. Oh dear, I had the best intentions and
> wanted so much to remove my rear end from my internet thrown and go
> outside today. I'm afraid my evil old self took over and I've gone 
all
> cunty again! Honestly, I really do want to be a better person, a
> loving, non-judgemental person. Please bear with me as I wrestle 
with
> my inner demons. 
> 
> I apologize for the relentless bitchiness. I'm hoping someday to be 
a
> friend to all, not just authors. (Although I'm superior to 99.% 
of
> them too.)
> 
> Yours in eternal hubris,
> 
> "authfriend", YOUR friend,
> 
> Judy Stein
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Newsweek on Dawkins and Harris

[curtisdeltablues]

Thanks for posting this, I would have missed it.  I am so happy that
this perspective is in the mainstream media and on a group like this.
 It speaks well for the open mindedness of both.  I think at the end
of the article they misjudged the number of people who have dropped
the belief in any of the recently popular God ideas on earth.  I am
not a member of the American Atheists which they use as the low number
of people who think this way.  I can say that being an outspoken,
positive atheist makes me a safe person for some people to express
their spiritual doubts to.  I have so often been pulled aside when I
have expressed my lack of belief by someone who feels bullied by
believers to tow the party line.  I know that faith and mystical
experience is cherished by many here on this group.  I greatly
appreciate that my lack of valuing these experiences and beliefs is
accepted by most of the people I communicate with here.  We all have
our own reasons for including and excluding beliefs.  Nobody believes
everything.  We are all on that same human mission to discover the
meaning for our own lives.  That is a much greater commonality than
whatever specifics each of us has come up with so far.  I consider
myself and everyone here a work in progress.  I enjoy hearing about
and sharing what we are noticing along the way.  This post made me
feel really glad I check in here, thanks. Kumbaya baby.  Thanks purushaz.



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[FairfieldLife] The 7chakras as found in the Mundaka Upanishad...

[wmurphy77]

"The flame has seven licking tongues: Kali, the dark one; the terrible; 
the swift-as-thought; the crimson one; the smoky-colored; the sparkling 
one; and Devi, she who takes all forms."

"Whoever performs the sacrifice correctly, when these seven are 
*enlivened, he is led by them, as the rays of the sun, to the world of 
the lord of the gods."

>From "The Upanishads" by Alistair Shearer and Peter Russell both TM 
practioners!!

Notice how each tongue lines up so beautifully with each chakra; Kali 
being the Shakti power of Mother Divine, the crimson one equal to the 
Heart chakra and its color RED,the sparkling one equal to the 6th 
anahata chakra effusing pure spiritual light, and so on...Billyg.

P.S. The 'sacrifice' or Yajna is offering the ego or little self into 
the ineffable Spirit..when done correctly. Samadhi!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On Sep 3, 2006, at 2:18 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> > I've heard that people tend to sit in affinity groups in the domes: 
> > the Amma group, the Waking Down group, etc.  _
> 
> Where do the moodmakers sit? :)
> 
> Sal
>

haha.

and the slackers.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Interpreting Guru Dev

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> I  have just finished reading New Morning's post on Innocence
(112511). Highly perceptive  
> regarding the nature of many of the exchanges here on FFL, and the
underlying 
> psychology. 

Thanks LB. And its nice to have you back on FFL. (new.morning = akasha
= omg, from past lives, if the style and themes were not a tip off.)

...
 
> The 108 pieces of darshan in the Upadesh Amrit collection represent
only a fragment of 
> Guru Dev's public discourses. Strung together, they would amount to
a couple of hours, at 
> most. Nevertheless, I believe they represent the wholeness of his
teaching, and represent 
> it accurately.

I take your word on it. But are there reasons also one might not come
to such a conclusion. If so, can you elaboate. On both sides.
 
... 

> It has previously been pointed out that Brahmanandaji's teachings
were somewhat 
> conditioned by historical and cultural conditions of his time and
place. As New Morning 
> has pointed out in a different context, perhaps we could all benefit
by considering the 
> limitations we bring to interpreting them.
> 
> Also, with regard to those who feel especially close or intimate 
> relationship with 
> Brahmanandaji in this lifetime, 

And ironically, one thing MMY has "whispered" to entire large courses,
is that, paraphrsing "I do not communicate with you in visions. Guru
Dev does not communicate with you in visions."  He did, in such
lectures, and at other times, point out that various "entities" (like
astral entities -- my words) can take the form of anything in visions
and even "real life" and trick people. He always said, "If I need to,
I will communicated with you by phone."

Not to be confused with his methods of having those around him, as he
would explicitly state, become attuned with his thinking (like his to
Guru Devs), so that the staff would simple think and do the "right"
thing -- the thing MMY would have told them to do in the circumstances.

> I would offer one small suggestion: We have seen so many 
> examples wherein the guru whispers one thing into the ear of the 
> disciple at his right 
> hand, and something entirely different to the disciple at his left. 

[Taking MMY as a  guru who has whispered,] if he whispered it to each,
how would we know it was different? We only know by different accounts
of what each staff said he/she heard. Thats several layers removed
from what MMY may actually have said to each. 

The advanced technique "confusion" is a good example of this possibly
distortional layering. (As is the parlor game "telephone".) Even in
something as important as advanced technique instruction, it may be
that people's "inner knowledge of what was "meant" -- filtered by
"knowledge" of what should be, clouds the actual instructions conveyed.

> Would it have been 
> different with Guru Dev? Do we know for sure, one way or the other?
If we are confident 
> that Guru Dev speaks to us directly, that is fine, 

But is contrary to what MMY told 1000's at a time. Its odd IF he would
whisper something else to some others. But in cases on this forum, I
don't think MMY whispered anything to anyone. So its a student
interpreting something as happening that MMY said would never happen. 

But its a delicate area. IMO, IME, things like puja are clear
attunement with "holiness". To use others' terms, its like a clear
transmission of that state lived by saints (of the tradition).

But thats different from talking to physical forms. (That MMY said
explicitly were imposters.)

Then again... 



> but we should keep in mind: This is what 
> he says to me. What he says to another is none of my business.

Yes. IF he said something, a HUGE if, given MMY's caveats, it certanly
does not necessarily apply to anyone else. Not that I recall such
universality claims being made on FFL, but this sort of thing has
caused a lot of confusion in centers. 

(And MMY's wrath (quite different from personal anger), when he got
word of it. He had no tolerance for people making claims about what he
said or meant, or GD, via visions.)


 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

[wmurphy77]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > The third eye is the portal to infinity, that's why it's 
important! 
> > Unfolding of the chakras unfold powers of morality, self control, 
> > chastity, descrimination, etc. That is why we meditate, and the 
> > unfolding of the chakras is the methodology from which we get 
these 
> > powers and win the battle of life, (i.e. good over evil).
> >
> 
> So, when does this concept appear? It's not in the Upanishads, 
Bhagavad Gita or Yoga Sutras. 
> Where is it?

In the Bhagavad Gita it is referred to allegorically (as that is what 
the Gita is, an allegory) as the 5 Pandavas which represent the 5 
lower 
chakras:

Sahadeva=coccyx center=restraint (muladhara chakra). Nakula=sacral 
center=obedience (svadhishthana chakra) Arjuna=lumbar=Self control 
(manipura chakra)

Bhima=dorsal=vitality (anahata)
Yudisthira=cervical=calmness (vishuddha)


When these powers or 'warriors' come to the aid (are unfolded) of the 
chela or 'Arjuna' they fight the evil minded sons of the blind King 
Dhritarashtra; lust, greed, avarice and so on.I could go on but 
you 
get the idea.

The Gita is an alegorical story about the internal battlefield 
(kurukshetra) of man and his struggle with evil (delusion) and the 
final victory by ascention to Spirit and the destruction of evil.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sep 3, 2006, at 2:18 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> > I've heard that people tend to sit in affinity groups in the domes: 
> > the Amma group, the Waking Down group, etc.  _
> 
> Where do the moodmakers sit? :)
> 
> Sal
>

Bites tongue...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 3, 2006, at 2:18 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

> I’ve heard that people tend to sit in affinity groups in the domes: 
> the Amma group, the Waking Down group, etc.  _

Where do the moodmakers sit? :)

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 9/3/06 2:19 PM, Bhairitu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Haven't any of you guys considered the obvious?
> >>> >> He doesn't speak about chakras (and thousands
> >>> >> of other spiritual subjects) because he doesn't
> >>> >> know anything about them.
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> If you want to know about such things, go to
> >>> >> the spiritual traditions that have studied them
> >>> >> for centuries. His obviously didn't.
> >>> >> 
> >> > No because chakras are pretty basic stuff in Indian philosophy and MMY
> >> > would have had to grow up in Topeka if he didn't know about them.
> >> > Besides Ingegerd already said he talked about them in the early days.
> >> > However in teaching meditation you usually don't deal with the chakras
> >> > unless someone has one blocked.
> > 
> I¹ll bet Maharishi knows plenty about the chakras and has had clear
> experiences of them, but he tended to avoid talking about physiological
> things that couldn¹t be explored by Western scientists. Like the dual
> nervous system idea which he used to talk about, but dropped around 1970.
>

MMY has said he is interested in Vedic stuff. Kundalini Yoga/Chakra techniques 
are 
generally considered non-Vedic by most scholars, or so I have heard.

BTW, the description of chakras in the upanishads calls them a wheel of nerves 
with 12 
spokes, but says it lies at the base of the spine at the BOTTOM.

In fact, the wheel of nerves with 12 spokes is at the top of the spine, at the 
base of the 
brain. It's called the cranial nerves. There's one set for each hemisphere.

http://www.neurophys.com/EMG/Cranial_Nerves/

And there's a set of nerves for the heart, the head, the senses, digestive 
system, etc.

Hmmm...

Someone got up and down confused, I think:

   20-21. Nine digits above the genitals, there is Kanda of Nadis which 
revolves oval-
shaped, four digits high and four digits broad. It is surrounded by fat, flesh, 
bone and 
blood. 
   22. In it, is situate a Nadi-Chakra (wheel of nerves) having twelve spokes. 
Kundali by 
which this body is supported is there.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Where the mantras come from!...

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Or do you believe that there are abodes where literal 4-armed
deities roam?

If you don't clearly know all those abodes and all the multi-armed
deities intimately, clearly, you missed some key advanced techniques.
:) (j/k)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > I¹ve heard that people tend to sit in affinity groups in the
domes: the Amma
> > group, the Waking Down group, etc.
> >
> 
> How about the just plain old superior to everything else,
TM/TM-Sidhis group?
>

I heard all those tested on EEG's flock together. :)











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> >>>Or perhaps because chakras are grafted on after the vedic stuff he 
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>DOES consider important? 
> >>
> >>
> >>>Maharishi mentions marmas, and not chakras.
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>In all fairness to MMY, I don't think he wanted to open a pandora's 
> >>box 
> >>with this more esoteric stuff, who knows, I may not be a meditator now 
> >>if he did. He wants to broden his appeal not lessen it, afterall.I 
> >>don't hold it against him, although it would be reassuring if he did 
> >>explain it from our (TM) point of view.  :-)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Haven't any of you guys considered the obvious?
> >He doesn't speak about chakras (and thousands
> >of other spiritual subjects) because he doesn't
> >know anything about them.
> >
> >If you want to know about such things, go to
> >the spiritual traditions that have studied them
> >for centuries. His obviously didn't. 
> >
> No because chakras are pretty basic stuff in Indian philosophy and MMY 
> would have had to grow up in Topeka if he didn't know about them.   
> Besides Ingegerd already said he talked about them in the early days.  
> However in teaching meditation you usually don't deal with the chakras 
> unless someone has one blocked.
>

And the concept of Chakra, at least within the texts I've already mentioned, 
doesn't go into  
details such as unblocking them anyway.

Techniques dealing with Chakras as Chakras don't appear in Indian literature 
and tradition 
until 1200 years ago if that.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > 
> > > MMY calls these marmas and thinks there are about 108 of them
> > > IIRC. Of these 3 are most important.
> 
> 107 as I recall from working with an indian who trained for many years
> in the tradition that maintains the knowledge of marmas in southern
> India. Danur Veda. And one hidden one. (thus 108)
> 
> -
> I missed the bulk of this thread. There is no way MMY is confusing
> marmas with chakras.
> 
> Regarding some past posts on why chakras are not part of TMO
> teachings, MMY was very clear on that. He said that he decided early
> on not to talk of chakras, kundalini etc. because he looked to past
> teachers and movements that had done so and did not find the results
> very impressive. He wanted to take a different road.
>

Ironically, nearly everyone here is unimpressed with HIS results. Except moi, 
apparently.

Of course, I assume that intentional transcending is actually a different 
physical state than 
spontaneous transcending, and that the former is an illusion, while the latter 
is based on a 
simple physical change in how the brain processes information,  as a for 
example of where 
I'm coming from.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 'As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)...'
> I noted no such thing! The speech was made at the Young Man's Tennis 
> Club, Queen's Gardens, in Delhi, not at a Hindu temple!

So, are you objecting to the word "devout" or the word "Hindu?"

Do you honestly believe that the majority of his audience was Jewish?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I¹ve heard that people tend to sit in affinity groups in the domes: the Amma
> group, the Waking Down group, etc.
>

How about the just plain old superior to everything else, TM/TM-Sidhis group?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Where the mantras come from!...

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> wmurphy77 wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>wmurphy77 wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>In the Astral/Causal spine there are 7 centers (chakras)coexistent 
> >>>  
> >>>
> >snip
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Have you read the "Mantra Mahodadhi of Mahidhara"?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >NO
> >
> It's a principle text on mantra shastra.  I think rather than relating 
> TM to the chakras you may want to look at it's relationship to the Hindu 
> stages of life and their attendant deities.  ;-)
>

As me old friend, Anoop Chandola, once commented: its very much an allegorical 
treatment of the gods and their relationship to the mantras. 

Or do you believe that there are abodes where literal 4-armed deities roam?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> 
> snip>
>  
> > What the hell is this third eye and why do you think it is important?
> 
> 
> 
> The third eye is the portal to infinity, that's why it's important! 
> Unfolding of the chakras unfold powers of morality, self control, 
> chastity, descrimination, etc. That is why we meditate, and the 
> unfolding of the chakras is the methodology from which we get these 
> powers and win the battle of life, (i.e. good over evil).
>

So, when does this concept appear? It's not in the Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita or 
Yoga Sutras. 
Where is it?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis"  
> wrote:
> >
> > You're probably right about Barks, but that "translation" of the
> > Arabic was the first time that the phrase made any sense to me.
> 
> On the other hand, Kabir was certainly a mystic, and
> according to Wikipedia his poetry is pervaded by ideas
> from both the Vedanta and Bhakti streams of Hinduism
> (which is, interestingly, similar to what MMY has said
> of Shankara's teaching).  Kabir disavowed sectarian
> religion of any kind.  "He often advocated leaving
> aside the Qur'an and Vedas and to simply follow Shahaj
> path, or the Simple/Natural Way to oneness in God,"
> Wikipedia says.
> 
> If all this is correct, it would be odd indeed if Kabir
> had invoked "There is no God but Allah" in the exclusive
> sectarian Islamic sense.
>

And, the phrase in its most literal translation is "There is no God but God."

As I recall, it is a response to his encounter with the concept of Trinity.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > 
> > > Before anyone freaks out and considers this 
> > > "anti-TM," it's not.
> > 
> 
> > Why, *of course* it's not anti-TM (or anti-MMY).
> > How could anybody think accusing MMY of talking
> > about something he knew nothing about and getting
> > it wrong was anti-MMY?
> 
> Ha, ha,on the other hand, can you prove any different? Turq. could 
> be right, yes?
> 
> That's the problem, we really don't know, MMY has left us in the dark 
> on this, central to Yoga, subject; maybe it's justified, I guess I'll 
> just continue to meditate.
>

But it is NOT central to Yoga, as defined by Patanjali, the Bhagavad Gita, and 
the 
Upanishads.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Smearing the Wilsons

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 9/2/06 9:24:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Gregg is  here in Fairfield right now. At least he was a week or so 
> ago. I 
> >  presume he is on the course. He seemed nicer than he used to be. 
> 
> I  believe it. In Arosa, Switzerland, back in '76, he was so OTP, that 
> he  nearly single handedly spoiled the atmosphere. I think someone 
> like that  could not maintain that straight and narrow movement posture 
> forever. I'm  sure he makes a pretty good "regular" type  person.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Are these Wilson's the Sidhi administrators back in the 80's  and 90's?
>

 I got along with them just fine on my sidhis course in 84.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > When I spent some time with Brahmachari Sattyanand he gave me an 
> > > advanced technique which involves paying attention to the mantra in a 
> > > particular location. Being in India, with an Indian, in an Indian 
> > > ashram, I asked him if he meant in the vicinity of the so&so chakra, 
> > > but he soon made it very clear he had no patience for any mention of 
> > > chakras and left it at that. He did not say why, but I suspect it is 
> > > for the very reasons that Turq gives, that it was off his map (which 
> > > is a very good reason not to embark on a dissertation about them).
> > > 
> > 
> > Sounds to me like projection. I remember quite explicitly the exact
> wording of  my 
> > advanced technique instruction (acting traing comes in handy at
> times) and there wasn't 
> > anything like "pay attention to the mantra in a certain location." I
> can certainly see why, if 
> > you were expecting something chakra-ish, you would misremember what
> you were told, 
> > but it is certainly not what I was told and I doubt if you were told
> that either.
> 
> As I'm sure many people here would tell you, you
> just *missed* that particular advanced technique,
> given out in the late 60s/early 70s. I received
> it -- from Sattyanand -- at that time, and from
> what I can tell from things said here and on a.m.t.,
> it is no longer given out. 
> 
> But it *is* just like you to assume that because
> *you* are ignorant of something from the TMO's 
> past, that the person who *isn't* ignorant of
> it is lying or mistaken.
>


It may well be a different technique, but I suspect not, given what others have 
said.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > You live to argue, pointlessly.
> 
> And you live to deceive.

Hi kids, Judy here again. Oh dear, I had the best intentions and
wanted so much to remove my rear end from my internet thrown and go
outside today. I'm afraid my evil old self took over and I've gone all
cunty again! Honestly, I really do want to be a better person, a
loving, non-judgemental person. Please bear with me as I wrestle with
my inner demons. 

I apologize for the relentless bitchiness. I'm hoping someday to be a
friend to all, not just authors. (Although I'm superior to 99.% of
them too.)

Yours in eternal hubris,

"authfriend", YOUR friend,

Judy Stein







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > When I spent some time with Brahmachari Sattyanand
> > he gave me an 
> > > advanced technique which involves paying attention
> > to the mantra in a 
> > > particular location. Being in India, with an
> > Indian, in an Indian 
> > > ashram, I asked him if he meant in the vicinity of
> > the so&so chakra, 
> > > but he soon made it very clear he had no patience
> > for any mention of 
> > > chakras and left it at that. He did not say why,
> > but I suspect it is 
> > > for the very reasons that Turq gives, that it was
> > off his map (which 
> > > is a very good reason not to embark on a
> > dissertation about them).
> > > 
> > 
> > Sounds to me like projection. I remember quite
> > explicitly the exact wording of  my 
> > advanced technique instruction (acting traing comes
> > in handy at times) and there wasn't 
> > anything like "pay attention to the mantra in a
> > certain location." I can certainly see why, if 
> > you were expecting something chakra-ish, you would
> > misremember what you were told, 
> > but it is certainly not what I was told and I doubt
> > if you were told that either.
> 
> It was thinking the mantra in a certain area of the
> body. It is one of the last advanced techniques. I can
> see why the term "chakra" was not used because chakra
> for most people is just a concept that could confuse
> things.
> 

Huh. Not going to get into a pissing contest about advanced techniques since 
I've only had 
about 4 so far, but the one that I have learned that MIGHT be confused with 
what you say, 
isn't really anything at all like what you say.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- sparaig  wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > When I spent some time with Brahmachari Sattyanand
> > > he gave me an 
> > > > advanced technique which involves paying attention
> > > to the mantra in a 
> > > > particular location. Being in India, with an
> > > Indian, in an Indian 
> > > > ashram, I asked him if he meant in the vicinity of
> > > the so&so chakra, 
> > > > but he soon made it very clear he had no patience
> > > for any mention of 
> > > > chakras and left it at that. He did not say why,
> > > but I suspect it is 
> > > > for the very reasons that Turq gives, that it was
> > > off his map (which 
> > > > is a very good reason not to embark on a
> > > dissertation about them).
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Sounds to me like projection. I remember quite
> > > explicitly the exact wording of  my 
> > > advanced technique instruction (acting traing comes
> > > in handy at times) and there wasn't 
> > > anything like "pay attention to the mantra in a
> > > certain location." I can certainly see why, if 
> > > you were expecting something chakra-ish, you would
> > > misremember what you were told, 
> > > but it is certainly not what I was told and I doubt
> > > if you were told that either.
> > 
> > It was thinking the mantra in a certain area of the
> > body. It is one of the last advanced techniques. I can
> > see why the term "chakra" was not used because chakra
> > for most people is just a concept that could confuse
> > things.
> 
> I also got it that way. There is certainly an advanced technique were
> you have to have your attention at a certain area. If it's the exact
> location of the (heart)-chakra is another question. I was pointed to
> an anatomical spot, that is not normally considered to be the heart
> center, but its close enough.
>

As I said, I remember teh exact instruction to the word, and it isnt' what you 
guys think it 
is. Amazing how knowledge of other traditios colors one's memories.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Newsweek on Dawkins and Harris

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "purushaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> ---
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/ebkvf

Toward the end of the article, Caroline Porco, a 
planetary scientist, is quoted briefly.  I was
intrigued by the quote and went to the cited Web
site to read the complete essay.  Here it is:


The Greatest Story Ever Told

The confrontation between science and formal religion will come to an 
end when the role played by science in the lives of all people is the 
same played by religion today.

And just what is that?

At the heart of every scientific inquiry is a deep spiritual quest — 
to grasp, to know, to feel connected through an understanding of the 
secrets of the natural world, to have a sense of one's part in the 
greater whole. It is this inchoate desire for connection to something 
greater and immortal, the need for elucidation of the meaning of 
the 'self', that motivates the religious to belief in a 
higher 'intelligence'. It is the allure of a bigger agency — outside 
the self but also involving, protecting, and celebrating the purpose 
of the self — that is the great attractor. Every culture has 
religion. It undoubtedly satisfies a manifest human need.

But the same spiritual fulfillment and connection can be found in the 
revelations of science. From energy to matter, from fundamental 
particles to DNA, from microbes to Homo sapiens, from the singularity 
of the Big Bang to the immensity of the universe  ours is the 
greatest story ever told. We scientists have the drama, the plot, the 
icons, the spectacles, the 'miracles', the magnificence, and even the 
special effects. We inspire awe. We evoke wonder. 

And we don't have one god, we have many of them. We find gods in the 
nucleus of every atom, in the structure of space/time, in the counter-
intuitive mechanisms of electromagneticsm. What richness! What 
consummate beauty!

We even exalt the `self'. Our script requires a broadening of the 
usual definition, but we too offer hope for everlasting existence. 
The `self' that is the particular, networked set of connections of 
the matter comprising our mortal bodies will one day die, of course. 
But the `self' that is the sum of each separate individual condensate 
in us of energy-turned-matter is already ancient and will live 
forever. Each fundamental particle may one day return to energy, or 
from there revert back to matter. But in one form or another, it will 
not cease. In this sense, we and all around us are eternal, immortal, 
and profoundly connected. We don't have one soul; we have trillions 
upon trillions of them. 

These are reasons enough for jubilation ... for riotous, 
unrestrained, exuberant merry-making.

So what are we missing?

Ceremony. 

We lack ceremony. We lack ritual. We lack the initiation of baptism, 
the brotherhood of communal worship. 

We have no loving ministers, guiding and teaching the flocks in the 
ways of the 'gods'. We have no fervent missionaries, no loyal 
apostles. And we lack the all-inclusive ecumenical embrace, the 
extended invitation to the unwashed masses. Alienation does not warm 
the heart; communion does.

But what if? What if we appropriated the craft, the artistry, the 
methods of formal religion to get the message across? 
Imagine 'Einstein's Witnesses' going door to door or TV evangelists 
passionately espousing the beauty of evolution.

Imagine a Church of Latter Day Scientists where believers could 
gather. Imagine congregations raising their voices in tribute to 
gravity, the force that binds us all to the Earth, and the Earth to 
the Sun, and the Sun to the Milky Way. Or others rejoicing in the 
nuclear force that makes possible the sunlight of our star and the 
starlight of distant suns. And can't you just hear the hymns sung to 
the antiquity of the universe, its abiding laws, and the heaven above 
that 'we' will all one day inhabit, together, commingled, spread out 
like a nebula against a diamond sky? 

One day, the sites we hold most sacred just might be the astronomical 
observatories, the particle accelerators, the university research 
installations, and other laboratories where the high priests of 
science — the biologists, the physicists, the astronomers, the 
chemists — engage in the noble pursuit of uncovering the workings of 
nature herself. And today's museums, expositional halls, and 
planetaria may then become tomorrow's houses of worship, where these 
revealed truths, and the wonder of our interconnectedness with the 
cosmos, are glorified in song by the devout and the soulful. 

"Hallelujah!", they will sing. "May the force be with you!" 






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[FairfieldLife] Newsweek on Dawkins and Harris

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[FairfieldLife] Neo-Advaitin Francis Lucille

[purushaz]

http://www.francislucille.com/





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[FairfieldLife] Marquis de Sade in agreement with the Neo-Advaitins on "morals".

[purushaz]

--- 

--- 

>
> http://www.wie.org/j22/stacey.asp?page=6
> 
> 
> Stacey Heartspring Encounters the Postmodern Craze of Neo-Advaita
> 
> A Truly Imaginary Spiritual Satire
>  
> 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8
> 
> 
> ESTHER: And, anyway, in certain areas of the world a very different 
> value is placed on human life. Very different "laws" exist in 
> different areas of the world. What one culture sees as bad, another 
> finds quite acceptable. You may say they are wrong, but who made 
you 
> the morals police? . . . The actions themselves aren't the problem. 
> It's the belief systems that accompany actions that are the 
problem. 
> 
> (. . . Esther, that is music to my ears! After all, it is all 
> relative, a matter of perception, a point of view.) 
> 
> STACEY: Who's that?! The Marquis de Sade, the notorious and 
> scandalous French author?! Well, for obvious reasons, you most 
> certainly were not invited. But since you made the trip all the way 
> from the eighteenth century, what have you got to add? 
> 
> MARQUIS DE SADE: Stacey, you're already outnumbered. And, I'm 
sorry, 
> but I'm going to add insult to injury. I agree with Esther. Similar 
> to the concepts of virtue and vice, [justice and injustice] are 
> purely local and geographical; that which is vicious in Paris turns 
> up, as we know, a virtue in Peking . . . that which is just in 
> Isfahan they call unjust in Copenhagen. . . . Justice has no real 
> existence . . . . So let us abandon our belief in this fiction, it 
no 
> more exists than does the God of whom fools believe it the image: 
> there is no God in this world, neither is there virtue, neither is 
> there justice; there is nothing good, useful, or necessary but our 
> passions. . . . [And] the idea of God is the sole wrong for which I 
> cannot forgive mankind. . . . 
> 
> ESTHER: The misinterpretations [of God] that have been given to the 
> various world religions have come about because man wanted to have 
a 
> reason for everything. If you ask me, the religions that teach you 
> that God created you sinful, so that He can save you depict a 
pretty 
> sadistic God. 
> 
> DE SADE: Ah, sadism . . . well, we are no guiltier for following 
the 
> primitive impulses that govern us than is the Nile for her floods 
or 
> the sea for her waves. . . . All universal moral principles are 
idle 
> fantasies. 
> 
> ESTHER: Right, and to understand this is to realize that guilt is 
> just a fanciful notion and that it has absolutely no validity. 
> 
> STACEY: No guilt? No moral principles? But, what about all the 
awful 
> events in the world? I mean, just look at what happened to all 
those 
> people in the World Trade Center— 
> 
> WAYNE: Stacey, I recently explained in a workshop that from the 
point 
> of view of the bacteria that got to feed on those bodies, it 
> certainly wasn't a tragedy, so who are we to judge what's right or 
> wrong? 
> 
> STACEY: What?!! I mean, all those innocent people! It was an 
> unspeakable act, the most shocking— 
> 
> TONY: Well, if you want to call it a sin, Stacey, from an advaita 
> point of view, all concepts of good or bad, original sin, karma or 
> debt of any kind are products of an unawakened mind. . . . 
> 
> FRANCIS: The only sin is to take oneself for a sinner. . . . There 
is 
> no point in condemning oneself as a sinner or in trying to change 
> oneself. Sense of guilt and desire to change also reinforce the 
ego. 
> 
> TONY: And, for that matter when [Christ] told people their sins 
were 
> forgiven, he was really saying to them that they had never had a 
past 
> that they could be held responsible for. They had simply been 
> characters lived through by the infinite, never having had any 
choice 
> or free will.
> 
> STACEY: Tony, are you serious? You know, I'm Jewish, so no, I 
didn't 
> go to Sunday school and I'm hardly an authority, but I'll be damned 
> if Jesus ever meant anything like that! He really should have the 
> opportunity to respond to this, but I just don't have the courage 
to 
> invite Him to join us. I'm afraid of what He would do! And far from 
> being uplifted by all this, I'm starting to find it really 
> depressing. 
> 
> ESTHER: Stacey, actually what is "depressing" is the misperception 
> that you need to care and that things need to matter. You see if 
you 
> understand that your True nature IS neutrality, caring and making 
> things matter is really missing the mark. 
> 
> STACEY: But I can't not care. Aren't care and love important, you 
> know, in a human way? And for that matter, what about God? Doesn't 
> most everyone say, "God is Love"? 
> 
> ESTHER: When it is said that "God is Love," the word love signifies 
> neutrality. It has nothing to do with the opposite of hate. God is 
> just another word for neutrality, and neutrality denotes "not 
helping 
> or supporting either of two opposing sides. . . ." 
> 
> And remember, there is no point, no purpose, and no meaning. . . . 
> You think of caring as som

[FairfieldLife] Hagelin claims Super Radiance effect on stock market.

[purushaz]

--- n [EMAIL PROTECTED], "purushaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

MONDAY, AUGUST 21, 2006
Tune In, Turn On, Outperform?
Edited by ROBIN GOLDWYN BLUMENTHAL

THERE MAY NOT BE A MATHEMATICAL WAY to beat the market, but early 
returns of an intriguing new study show another way could be 
possible -- better returns through active consciousness-raising.

It all relates to the effect produced when a critical mass of people 
gets together to practice advanced Transcendental Meditation, 
producing an underlying field of "pure consciousness," known as 
the "Maharishi Effect," after the physicist who introduced TM in the 
U.S. nearly 50 years ago.

It so happens such a group has been gathering once again in the 
Fairfield, Iowa, home of Maharishi University of Management, to deal 
with a threat to world peace. But the positive vibes extend to other 
aspects of society, including the financial markets.

"We didn't come together to boost the markets, but it's a nice side 
effect," says John Hagelin, a physicist who directs the Institute of 
Science, Technology and Public Policy at MUM. "Sociologists as well 
as economists are aware that markets are an extremely nimble and 
sensitive barometer [of] the collective mood."

So far, the mass meditation seems to be having a beneficial effect on 
the market. In the weeks since the meditation began July 23, both the 
S&P 500 and the Domini 400 Social Equity Index have risen on average 
0.7% per week, to say nothing of the Nasdaq, says Ken Cavanaugh, a 
professor of applied statistics at MUM who has been researching the 
meditation's market effects. That compares to a weekly decrease of an 
average of .06% going back to 2000, when Bush took office.

"If you maintain that rate of increase for awhile, you're going to 
have a phenomenal effect," says Cavanaugh. And if the method does 
away with all the sellers? World peace. And then, who cares?

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[FairfieldLife] Hitler confronts the Neo-Advaitins

[purushaz]

--- 

--- A satirical expose of the Neo-Advaitins ( Wayne Liquorman, Esther 
> Veltheim, Tony Parsons, Gangaji, Francis Lucile, and Isaac 
Shapiro); 
> confronted by WIE editor Stacey.
> 
> On page 7, Hitler gets to have a shot at the Neo-Advaitins.
> http://www.wie.org/j22/stacey.asp?page=7

Stacey Heartspring Encounters the Postmodern Craze of Neo-Advaita

A Truly Imaginary Spiritual Satire
 
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8


STACEY: Whoa, just wait a minute. Of course it has to do with the 
heart. I mean, what about when people suffer? What about all those 
poor people in the World Trade Center? And, for that matter, what 
about my Great Uncle Mischa? Even though I've never told anyone his 
story, he's often on my mind. You see, one day dear Aunt Beryl took 
me aside and confided in me: "Stacey, you should know what happened 
to our family during World War II, so I'll tell you. When the Nazis 
invaded Romania, which is where some of your Jewish ancestors were 
from, they first looked for the Jewish doctors and teachers in the 
small villages. And they came upon your Great Uncle Mischa, who was a 
teacher and was in the middle of teaching his young class. And they 
marched him out of the school at gunpoint, with his class of students 
following him. And right in front of his students, in the school 
yard, they forced him to dig a large ditch, and then in front of all 
his students, they buried him alive. And that was how the Nazis 
destroyed the Jews, and it worked." 

(Of course it worked. . .!!!) 

STACEY: Who's there? Who said that!? Adolf Hitler?!! Oh my God!! 

HITLER: Stacey, since you were talking about God's will and the 
extermination of the Jews, nothing could stop me. I had to respond. 
You see, I received a divine mandate while I was recovering from a 
gas attack during the first World War. And as I lay there, it came 
over me that I would liberate the German people and make Germany 
great. . . . 

[And I was] animated with an inexorable resolve to seize the Evil 
[the Jews] by the roots and to exterminate it root and branch. To 
attain our aim, [I knew] we should stop at nothing, even if we must 
join forces with the Devil. 

STACEY: And I heard that the people who participated in this 
extermination wanted to commit these unspeakable acts. Through their 
own free will. 

TONY: Stacey, there is no question of there being free will, simply 
because there is no one there in the first place who can have a will 
or make a choice. 

HITLER: But, I could not have done it without so many willing 
participants. And here with me is one of my commanders, Eduard 
Strauch, who will testify to that. 

STRAUCH: Heil Hitler! No one should ever doubt the eagerness of the 
men who served under you. Even if the killing was hard and 
unpleasant . . . we [were] convinced that someone must carry out 
these tasks. I can state with pride that my men [were] proud to act 
out of conviction and fidelity to their Führer. 

TONY: Everything that happened . . . could not have been any other 
way. 

ESTHER: And while the spontaneous, uninhibited, un-premeditated 
action is happening there is peace. . . . While you are acting with 
full focus and putting all your energy into it, minus judgments, 
there is peace. You see, peace is there when you experience what is 
as it is fully. 

STACEY: Peace? What do you mean peace? Do you think my Uncle Mischa, 
or his students, or his family, or any of the families of the World 
Trade Center victims experienced peace on those fateful days? And 
what about the fact that Hitler, and everyone who committed these 
heinous acts, had personal responsibility? 

TONY: Don't worry, Stacey. [Hitler], like everyone else, played out 
the character that consciousness chose, and death is simply a return 
to the source from where the character appeared. The beloved plays 
every part in the play. . . . From the point of view of the separate 
self, everything . . . seems to be a battle ensuing between good and 
evil. . . . Once awakening happens, it is seen that there is no such 
thing as right or wrong. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Invincibility America update

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In a message dated 9/3/06 4:10:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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Bloomberg News: Gasoline Prices Decline on Slow Hurricane 
  SeasonPump prices have declined 7 percent since early August. New York 
  gasoline futures in August showed their biggest drop since October 
  2005.

But doesn't cheaper gasoline prices mean people driving more, thus 
polluting more, causing more greenhouse gases and increasing global warming? Is 
invincibility America actually harming the planet?  

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[FairfieldLife] Interpreting Guru Dev

[L B Shriver]

I  have just finished reading New Morning's post on Innocence (112511). Highly 
perceptive 
regarding the nature of many of the exchanges here on FFL, and the underlying 
psychology. I would like to add a few thoughts about interpreting the words of 
Guru Dev, 
which are now becoming available for all to read.

I have not gone back to examine all the threads based on Paul's release of 
selected 
discourses, but I have looked into a few and it seems as though they are 
launching at least 
as many debates as they are settling.

The 108 pieces of darshan in the Upadesh Amrit collection represent only a 
fragment of 
Guru Dev's public discourses. Strung together, they would amount to a couple of 
hours, at 
most. Nevertheless, I believe they represent the wholeness of his teaching, and 
represent 
it accurately.

On the other hand, the words in this collection are from his public discourses, 
not from his 
private talks with close disciples. To the best of my knowledge, no material of 
the second 
type exists, although we cannot rule out that possibility altogether.

It has previously been pointed out that Brahmanandaji's teachings were somewhat 
conditioned by historical and cultural conditions of his time and place. As New 
Morning 
has pointed out in a different context, perhaps we could all benefit by 
considering the 
limitations we bring to interpreting them.

Also, with regard to those who feel especially close or intimate relationship 
with 
Brahmanandaji in this lifetime, I would offer one small suggestion: We have 
seen so many 
examples wherein the guru whispers one thing into the ear of the disciple at 
his right 
hand, and something entirely different to the disciple at his left. Would it 
have been 
different with Guru Dev? Do we know for sure, one way or the other? If we are 
confident 
that Guru Dev speaks to us directly, that is fine, but we should keep in mind: 
This is what 
he says to me. What he says to another is none of my business.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev





on 9/3/06 3:48 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Did you know that at the side toward Viv. island, at the
> temple walls lived a great Avadhuta, Mayi Amma? She is on one of the
> early videos of Ammachi who visited her. 

There are some cool stories about that trip in one of the early books about her. She is purported to have levitated in front of the group that was traveling with her.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

[Peter]

--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> on 9/3/06 2:19 PM, Bhairitu at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Haven't any of you guys considered the
> obvious?
> >>> >> He doesn't speak about chakras (and thousands
> >>> >> of other spiritual subjects) because he
> doesn't
> >>> >> know anything about them.
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> If you want to know about such things, go to
> >>> >> the spiritual traditions that have studied
> them
> >>> >> for centuries. His obviously didn't.
> >>> >> 
> >> > No because chakras are pretty basic stuff in
> Indian philosophy and MMY
> >> > would have had to grow up in Topeka if he
> didn't know about them.
> >> > Besides Ingegerd already said he talked about
> them in the early days.
> >> > However in teaching meditation you usually
> don't deal with the chakras
> >> > unless someone has one blocked.
> > 
> I¹ll bet Maharishi knows plenty about the chakras
> and has had clear
> experiences of them, but he tended to avoid talking
> about physiological
> things that couldn¹t be explored by Western
> scientists. Like the dual
> nervous system idea which he used to talk about, but
> dropped around 1970.

On my TTC (LaAntilla, 1972) someone asked MMY about
chakras and he laughed and said they go round and
round. He talked a little about kundalini yoga and
said it was a legitimate path but required a lot of
personal attention from a master. He concluded with
saying with TM we don't have to worry about chakras.
Now, my take: Chakras are just part of the subtle
nervous system along with nadis. You can experience
energy flowing through various nadis when you're very
still. Also attention enlivens various chakras. TMer's
have huge ajna chakras probably from all the mental
techniques we do. If you want to go on a fun trip,
place your attention on your ajna chakra (third eye)
and your attention will be pulled through it into
different lokas (worlds). I sh*t you not. 




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[FairfieldLife] Invincibility America update

[feste37]

Here's something that all people of good will on this list will enjoy. 


SEPTEMBER 2: INVINCIBILITY UPDATE

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September 2, 2006

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rising to invincibility, as indicated by the following press reports...

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storms and reduced threat of hurricanes is having a positive impact on the 
lives of millions of people at risk for damage. It is also having a positive 
impact 
on the economy... with oil and gasoline prices falling and the stock market 
rising...
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Pump prices have declined 7 percent since early August. New York gasoline 
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Bloomberg News: Gold prices fall with reduced fears over hurricanes and 
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Here is a brief survey of other positive economic headlines...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You live to argue, pointlessly.

And you live to deceive.

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Pathetic!
> > 
> > Yes, I'd say "pathetic" is just the word to
> > describe you.
> > 
> > Your deceptive snippage had nothing to do with
> > getting most of your response on the "FFL notice
> > board."  It was the text of your *post* that
> > attempted to make it appear that I had misquoted
> > you.
> > 
> > Let's look at it again:
> > 
> > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 'As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout
> > > > > > > Hindus)...'
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I noted no such thing! The speech was made at the Young 
> > > > > > > Man's Tennis Club, Queen's Gardens, in Delhi, not at a 
> > > > > > > Hindu temple!
> > 
> > And here's what I *actually* wrote:
> > 
> > "As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)
> > before he had conceived the idea of a nonsectarian
> > meditation technique for the masses."
> > 
> > Nowhere did I say you had said it was a Hindu temple.
> > And as I've already pointed out, "(to devout Hindus)"
> > was obviously *my* parenthetical, since you had said
> > nothing whatsoever about who he was speaking to.
> > 
> > Pathetic indeed.  You couldn't address anything I wrote,
> > so you tried to make it appear I had misquoted you and
> > responded instead with feigned outrage to the "misquote"
> > you had yourself created.
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

[t3rinity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And the temple is within a short walk of where three oceans meet. By
> bathing there one is reported to wash away all sins. Needless to say,
> I am "sinless". :)

Great. I lost my hotelkey there, while swimming. There are very strong
currents, and I was climbing on one of these rocks, but upon returning
back to the water, I was thrown back to the rock. On my first day
there I swam to Vivekananda island. I just wanted to bath in the
ocean, having been in the train for three days. Suddenly I realized I
am halfway there, so I thought why not swim there instead of back.
The funny thing with the image was, that half a year after my
initiation  in the early seventies, I saw a b&w copy of the image, and
somebody told me it was Krishna. At that time I fell in love with
Krishna. Only much later in the movement, I realized it was the
Kumari, but that was *after* I had a vision of the Divine Mother early
eighties, then I realized that I was drawn to the Devi right from the
beginning. I heard that MMY had a painting of the image always next to
his bedside, and that it took him 5 days to realize the signifigance
of that Devi. Did you know that at the side toward Viv. island, at the
temple walls lived a great Avadhuta, Mayi Amma? She is on one of the
early videos of Ammachi who visited her. I didn't meet her anymore,
she passed in 1993. Did you see her?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

[Paul Mason]

You live to argue, pointlessly.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Pathetic!
> 
> Yes, I'd say "pathetic" is just the word to
> describe you.
> 
> Your deceptive snippage had nothing to do with
> getting most of your response on the "FFL notice
> board."  It was the text of your *post* that
> attempted to make it appear that I had misquoted
> you.
> 
> Let's look at it again:
> 
> 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 'As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout
> > > > > > Hindus)...'
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I noted no such thing! The speech was made at the Young 
> > > > > > Man's Tennis Club, Queen's Gardens, in Delhi, not at a 
> > > > > > Hindu temple!
> 
> And here's what I *actually* wrote:
> 
> "As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)
> before he had conceived the idea of a nonsectarian
> meditation technique for the masses."
> 
> Nowhere did I say you had said it was a Hindu temple.
> And as I've already pointed out, "(to devout Hindus)"
> was obviously *my* parenthetical, since you had said
> nothing whatsoever about who he was speaking to.
> 
> Pathetic indeed.  You couldn't address anything I wrote,
> so you tried to make it appear I had misquoted you and
> responded instead with feigned outrage to the "misquote"
> you had yourself created.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Pathetic!

Yes, I'd say "pathetic" is just the word to
describe you.

Your deceptive snippage had nothing to do with
getting most of your response on the "FFL notice
board."  It was the text of your *post* that
attempted to make it appear that I had misquoted
you.

Let's look at it again:


> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 'As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout
> > > > > Hindus)...'
> > > > >
> > > > > I noted no such thing! The speech was made at the Young 
> > > > > Man's Tennis Club, Queen's Gardens, in Delhi, not at a 
> > > > > Hindu temple!

And here's what I *actually* wrote:

"As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)
before he had conceived the idea of a nonsectarian
meditation technique for the masses."

Nowhere did I say you had said it was a Hindu temple.
And as I've already pointed out, "(to devout Hindus)"
was obviously *my* parenthetical, since you had said
nothing whatsoever about who he was speaking to.

Pathetic indeed.  You couldn't address anything I wrote,
so you tried to make it appear I had misquoted you and
responded instead with feigned outrage to the "misquote"
you had yourself created.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> In fact, as there is no way to prove, if a vision is true or not, it
> would have been impossible to demonize MMY. As you say, everything is
> possible, but to me the story MMY retells about the beginning of the
> movement, his experiences at Kanyakumari and Guruvayur, where MMY
> 'received the inspiration to give the blessing of the Himalayas'

What I heard from different sources, is that the vision at Kanyakumari
 was of "Mother Divine" and she inspired MMY to start SRM. I heard
this as early as 1967 or 68. It made a huge deep impression on me. So
since 17, I wante to to Kanyakumari. I finally did, specifically to be
in that temple. 

An associated general thing I heard from an India TTC CP. MMY talked
of Kanyakumari, and in this context said that the Divine is
everywhere, like electricity is everywhere. But electric sockets in
the wall have very concentrated electricity. And temples are like
large electric sockets of the Divine.

Interestingly, in the lines to see the inner sanctum of the temple, I
passed big rough wide doors inside the temple for "the sadhus". For
them to stay / do their devotions and practices. I so wanted to go in.
I imagined MMY had stayed inside there, and had the vision of Mother
Divine there.

As an aside, the temple murti is quite extraordinary.  Dazzling
jeweled eyes. "Almost" alive with "livliness".

And the temple is within a short walk of where three oceans meet. By
bathing there one is reported to wash away all sins. Needless to say,
I am "sinless". :)









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Language, the efficient and pragmatic use of

[Robert Gimbel]

> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > > > Isn't this forum open to all for public discussion? 
> > > > Yet you go out of your frame constantly. Saying:
> > > > 'Fuck off and die' claiming this to be just a nice 
> > > > american idiom. 
> > > 
> > > Contrary to what Judy told you, it really *is* a
> > > fairly innocuous American idiom. 
> > 
 > 
> Working on Wall St. in New York, in offices filled
> with well-educated stockbrokers, traders, and pro-
> grammers, I would estimate that I heard this phrase 
> a dozen times a day. That's where I developed a
> liking for it (along with "Go figure."). It conveys 
> the idea of "go away and stop wasting my time and 
> yours" better than almost any other, and with a 
> remarkable economy of language. In the offices
> I worked in (Citibank and Salomon Brothers), many
> people turned it into an acronym (FOAD) and wrote
> it out on little signs so that they could hold up
> the sign and tell someone to go away without even 
> having to pause their phone conversations to do so. :-)
> 
Having spent time in New York recently with my children; and having 
grown up on the East Coast in Philly;
I am well aware of the East Coast mentality, which is perfectly 
described in this so-called "American Idiom".
This would be especially intense in the financial district, where 
people are quite possessed with greed, fear and lust; and have little 
time for anything else; The many cocaine addicts there, also fuel 
this attitude..
I don't like this attitude and never have, which is why it was such a 
relief for me, when I first moved to Fairfield, in the 70's, and 
found farmers on tractors waving to me, "Good Morning".
New York is so overwhelming; an over-load to most people's 
sensibility of stimulation;
And really people have little time, except to do, what is right in 
from of them, running at a pace that is not natural.
The arrogant attitude is contagious there, and one seems to take it 
on, as a survival technique.
I would say though, since the shock of 9/11, the city has been 
humbled, and this attitude is not quite as intense and it used to be.
And btw, I saw many people meditating on the subway- good sign...
R.G.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?





on 9/3/06 2:19 PM, Bhairitu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Haven't any of you guys considered the obvious?
>> He doesn't speak about chakras (and thousands
>> of other spiritual subjects) because he doesn't
>> know anything about them.
>> 
>> If you want to know about such things, go to
>> the spiritual traditions that have studied them
>> for centuries. His obviously didn't. 
>> 
> No because chakras are pretty basic stuff in Indian philosophy and MMY 
> would have had to grow up in Topeka if he didn't know about them.   
> Besides Ingegerd already said he talked about them in the early days.  
> However in teaching meditation you usually don't deal with the chakras 
> unless someone has one blocked.

I’ll bet Maharishi knows plenty about the chakras and has had clear experiences of them, but he tended to avoid talking about physiological things that couldn’t be explored by Western scientists. Like the dual nervous system idea which he used to talk about, but dropped around 1970.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

[new . morning]

> > 
> > MMY calls these marmas and thinks there are about 108 of them
> > IIRC. Of these 3 are most important.

107 as I recall from working with an indian who trained for many years
in the tradition that maintains the knowledge of marmas in southern
India. Danur Veda. And one hidden one. (thus 108)

-
I missed the bulk of this thread. There is no way MMY is confusing
marmas with chakras.

Regarding some past posts on why chakras are not part of TMO
teachings, MMY was very clear on that. He said that he decided early
on not to talk of chakras, kundalini etc. because he looked to past
teachers and movements that had done so and did not find the results
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:

>>>Or perhaps because chakras are grafted on after the vedic stuff he 
>>>  
>>>
>>DOES consider important? 
>>
>>
>>>Maharishi mentions marmas, and not chakras.
>>>  
>>>
>>In all fairness to MMY, I don't think he wanted to open a pandora's 
>>box 
>>with this more esoteric stuff, who knows, I may not be a meditator now 
>>if he did. He wants to broden his appeal not lessen it, afterall.I 
>>don't hold it against him, although it would be reassuring if he did 
>>explain it from our (TM) point of view.  :-)
>>
>>
>
>Haven't any of you guys considered the obvious?
>He doesn't speak about chakras (and thousands
>of other spiritual subjects) because he doesn't
>know anything about them.
>
>If you want to know about such things, go to
>the spiritual traditions that have studied them
>for centuries. His obviously didn't. 
>
No because chakras are pretty basic stuff in Indian philosophy and MMY 
would have had to grow up in Topeka if he didn't know about them.   
Besides Ingegerd already said he talked about them in the early days.  
However in teaching meditation you usually don't deal with the chakras 
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[FairfieldLife] Innocence

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> >

> > It was thinking the mantra in a certain area of the
> > body. It is one of the last advanced techniques. I can
> > see why the term "chakra" was not used because chakra
> > for most people is just a concept that could confuse
> > things.
> 
> I also got it that way. There is certainly an advanced technique were
> you have to have your attention at a certain area. If it's the exact
> location of the (heart)-chakra is another question. I was pointed to
> an anatomical spot, that is not normally considered to be the heart
> center, but its close enough.Kunyaka


"Just be innocent with it. Take it as it comes." I have found these
useful guides in life as well as meditation. 

And with TM and other spiritual practices comes "innocence" -- which
is to me, a looking at every new situation and occurence without
preconceptions, without the boundaries of past mental structures,
models, preferences and inclination. Just see what is. 

Later, as appropriate, one can apply all past learning, models,
insights etc. to evaluate the new "perception". But in the first
moment or each new "instance" -- just be innocent, take it as it comes. 

I mention this, because of Trinity's statement, "I was pointed to
> an anatomical spot, that is not normally considered to be the heart
> center, but its close enough." 

I may have had similiar inpterpretations as Trinity at one point, and
thus I am as much an example of "loss of innonence" as this current
example.

While I like Trinity and his posts, -- and we appear to have similar
views and experience on some key things (like the non-ownership of
action, the self-sufficent domains of mind, memory and intellect) --
the above statement appears to me as symptomatic of something "odd" --
though quite pervasive amongst posters -- and most people I know, and
commentators i read or hear.  It is pervassive in modern life.

(And I am probably misunderstanding Trinity's point and his statement
above may not even apply.) However, the statements "apparent" meaning
is a great example of what I am referring to -- and is such a huge key
to things, IMO.

Let me explain.

I know there is a looseness of understanding about this particular
advanced technique. (And perhaps different teachers were given
instructions to teach different things -- but that doesn't seem to
"fit" in this example.) I received a technique some stages beyond the
one in question. The teacher asked about my prior techniques, my
instructions, etc. I mentioned, perhaps in fuzzy ways, the location.
And talked a lot about it. I kept raising the point in various ways,
subtle and explicit about the region being near the heart and "isn't
it really the heart we are talking about". He was very explicit and
literally punched me in the correct spot. Which is not a chakra
location (unless they move, :)). I "got" it. I had not been totally
innocent about the original instruction and had superimposed "my
knowledge" of what MMY (via Satynand) MUST have meant in the oringinal
instruction. I realized the actual instruction had nothing (explicit)
to do with chakras -- I just let my preconceptions enter into it. 

This example is insightful, to me, because we live in a sea of
preconceptions -- ours and others -- internal models, KNOWING what
must be, knowing what MMY "really" meant, etc. And such "insights" are
quite compelling. Often stemming from a deep level -- and with it an
unshakeable "truth" "signiture" -- and an assurance that "this is
correct". All the pieces fall together. An energy is created. Its like
a light goes on (the perverbial "light bulb in the head" of cartoons).
And yet, per this example, its all wrong. Its just some preconception,
perhaps feed by the awesome energy of suble ego, that makes it so
compelling and a "self-explanatory" truth. Which is ultimately false.
A powerful illusion.

I see so many exchanges in posts where people simply are not reading
whats on the page. Particular words or concepts appear to trigger deep
impressions or models of "something else" and they start to respond to
that "something else" -- not what has been said to them. And I recall
so many conversations and exchanges in social life -- and corporate
life, where the same phenomenon occurs. 

What is interesting, noteworthy -- IMO, if not odd, is that this
apparent lack of innocence, this reacting to things in their minds,
not what has been said or written, is as prevelant, sometimes more,
among those who interpret their experiences as being enlightened,
sometimes being in "Brahman Consciousness" -- whether the type defined
by MMY or by themselves -- still something high and glorious.

In my, perhaps quite naive and limited view, what good are these
exaulted states if there is no (sweet, simple) innocence in their
lives, in their views, in at least their "first glances" or first
reads of things? That "thing" -- tha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM





I’ve heard that people tend to sit in affinity groups in the domes: the Amma group, the Waking Down group, etc.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] I'm converting

[Bhairitu]

shempmcgurk wrote:

>Bill Maher did a bit on his show this week about converting to Islam.  
>Unlike, say, Judaism which is a long, drawn out affair if you want to 
>convert to it -- you gott take classes, study the religion, etc. -- 
>according to Islam you just say two sentences and you're in!
>
>So Maher suggests that all 300 million Americans just convert and this 
>whole sticky mess will be over with.
>
>Pretty good idea...
>
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

[Paul Mason]

I accept your apology unreservedly!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> wrote:
> >
> > 'As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)...'
> > I noted no such thing! The speech was made at the Young Man's 
Tennis 
> > Club, Queen's Gardens, in Delhi, not at a Hindu temple!
> > 
> A message from Judy: 
> Right you are Paul! I'm sorry for misquoting you. Please understand,
> I've been a little out of sorts for the past few years. You see, my
> arse has been glued in place on my internet throne while I bang out
> non-stop posts demeaning the intelligence of others. It's made me
> quite cranky believe you me! Anyhoo, forgive me. Keep up the good 
work
> and have a nice day.
> 
> Now, I'm going to try and pry myself out of my tuffet, go outside 
and
> enjoy daylight for the first time. It's one small step towards 
finding
> a life for myself. 
> 
> Goodbye and good luck everybody. I love you all!
> 
> "authfriend"
> Judy Stein
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

[Paul Mason]

Pathetic!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > I snipped it where I did so most of my response would appear on 
the 
> > FFL notice board.
> 
> You snipped it to make it appear I had misquoted you.
> If it had been an honest mistake, you wouldn't have
> tried to put over a flimsy excuse.
> 
> > You ascribe so many motives to my postings - come on what
> > is YOUR agenda?
> 
> My agenda is fairness, honesty, and accuracy.
> 
> You were none of the three in the post I was
> commenting on, nor the one I'm responding to
> now.
> 
> > AND have you EVER actually practised this meditation thing 
> > you claim to have done.
> 
> ???
> 
> > Are you just one of those anti-TMers who 
> > wants to make the Maharishi and the TM method appear so 
ineffective?
> 
> Notice that Paul hasn't addressed any of my points.
> 
> He rarely addresses *anybody's* points if they're at
> all challenging.  He attempts to change the subject,
> or he responds with a non sequitur.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 'As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)...'
> > > >
> > > > I noted no such thing! The speech was made at the Young Man's
> > > > Tennis Club, Queen's Gardens, in Delhi, not at a Hindu temple!
> > > 
> > > Nor did I say you noted that he was speaking at a Hindu
> > > temple, did I, Paul?
> > > 
> > > "As Paul notes" referred to your "Excerpts of speech
> > > made by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (before he was known as
> > > such)."
> > > 
> > > You intentionally deceptively snipped the rest of
> > > the sentence to make it appear I was misquoting you.
> > > "To devout Hindus" was obviously *my* parenthetical,
> > > since you'd said nothing whatsoever about who he
> > > was speaking to.
> > > 
> > > If we know for a fact that his audience at the Young 
> > > Men's Tennis Club in Delhi were not devout Hindus, then
> > > of course I'll withdraw the parenthetical.
> > > 
> > > My main point, as you know, was that--as I went on
> > > to say, and as you yourself noted--MMY was speaking 
> > > before he had conceived the idea of a nonsectarian
> > > meditation technique for the masses.]
> > > 
> > > No cigar, Paul; not even a nice try.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Excerpts of speech made by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (before 
he 
> > was
> > > > > > known as such) in which he asked that Guru 
Dev's 'elevating 
> > > > > > discourses may reach the masses in every nook and corner 
of 
> > our 
> > > > > > country and abroad' 
> > > > > > - for full text go to 
> > > > > > 
> > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/Maheshspeech.htm
> > > > > 
> > > > > As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)
> > > > > before he had conceived the idea of a nonsectarian
> > > > > meditation technique for the masses.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Your oft-repeated insinuation that MMY was trying
> > > > > to hide Guru Dev's teaching because it would reflect
> > > > > poorly on himself still doesn't wash, Paul.
> > > > > 
> > > > > MMY has *always* taught the nonsectarian elements
> > > > > of what Guru Dev taught.
> > > > > 
> > > > > What he *could not* do was to teach what Guru Dev
> > > > > taught about meditation if he wanted TM to be
> > > > > universally accepted, which is what I was pointing
> > > > > out in the post you quote.  Nor could he even have
> > > > > made it available, for the reasons I explained (and
> > > > > which you have not challenged).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Can you find a recorded or transcribed talk of
> > > > > Guru Dev--about meditation or anything else--that
> > > > > has no sectarian elements, that would be 
> > > > > universally acceptable, even to those who do not
> > > > > believe in God?
> > >
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> wrote:
> >
> > 'As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)...'
> > I noted no such thing! The speech was made at the Young Man's 
Tennis 
> > Club, Queen's Gardens, in Delhi, not at a Hindu temple!
> > 
> A message from Judy: 
> Right you are Paul! I'm sorry for misquoting you.

You have it backwards.  Paul misquoted *me*.  Sorry
you have such difficulties with reading comprehension.




 Please understand,
> I've been a little out of sorts for the past few years. You see, my
> arse has been glued in place on my internet throne while I bang out
> non-stop posts demeaning the intelligence of others. It's made me
> quite cranky believe you me! Anyhoo, forgive me. Keep up the good 
work
> and have a nice day.
> 
> Now, I'm going to try and pry myself out of my tuffet, go outside 
and
> enjoy daylight for the first time. It's one small step towards 
finding
> a life for myself. 
> 
> Goodbye and good luck everybody. I love you all!
> 
> "authfriend"
> Judy Stein
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I snipped it where I did so most of my response would appear on the 
> FFL notice board.

You snipped it to make it appear I had misquoted you.
If it had been an honest mistake, you wouldn't have
tried to put over a flimsy excuse.

> You ascribe so many motives to my postings - come on what
> is YOUR agenda?

My agenda is fairness, honesty, and accuracy.

You were none of the three in the post I was
commenting on, nor the one I'm responding to
now.

> AND have you EVER actually practised this meditation thing 
> you claim to have done.

???

> Are you just one of those anti-TMers who 
> wants to make the Maharishi and the TM method appear so ineffective?

Notice that Paul hasn't addressed any of my points.

He rarely addresses *anybody's* points if they're at
all challenging.  He attempts to change the subject,
or he responds with a non sequitur.





> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 'As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)...'
> > >
> > > I noted no such thing! The speech was made at the Young Man's
> > > Tennis Club, Queen's Gardens, in Delhi, not at a Hindu temple!
> > 
> > Nor did I say you noted that he was speaking at a Hindu
> > temple, did I, Paul?
> > 
> > "As Paul notes" referred to your "Excerpts of speech
> > made by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (before he was known as
> > such)."
> > 
> > You intentionally deceptively snipped the rest of
> > the sentence to make it appear I was misquoting you.
> > "To devout Hindus" was obviously *my* parenthetical,
> > since you'd said nothing whatsoever about who he
> > was speaking to.
> > 
> > If we know for a fact that his audience at the Young 
> > Men's Tennis Club in Delhi were not devout Hindus, then
> > of course I'll withdraw the parenthetical.
> > 
> > My main point, as you know, was that--as I went on
> > to say, and as you yourself noted--MMY was speaking 
> > before he had conceived the idea of a nonsectarian
> > meditation technique for the masses.]
> > 
> > No cigar, Paul; not even a nice try.
> > 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Excerpts of speech made by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (before he 
> was
> > > > > known as such) in which he asked that Guru Dev's 'elevating 
> > > > > discourses may reach the masses in every nook and corner of 
> our 
> > > > > country and abroad' 
> > > > > - for full text go to 
> > > > > 
> http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/Maheshspeech.htm
> > > > 
> > > > As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)
> > > > before he had conceived the idea of a nonsectarian
> > > > meditation technique for the masses.
> > > > 
> > > > Your oft-repeated insinuation that MMY was trying
> > > > to hide Guru Dev's teaching because it would reflect
> > > > poorly on himself still doesn't wash, Paul.
> > > > 
> > > > MMY has *always* taught the nonsectarian elements
> > > > of what Guru Dev taught.
> > > > 
> > > > What he *could not* do was to teach what Guru Dev
> > > > taught about meditation if he wanted TM to be
> > > > universally accepted, which is what I was pointing
> > > > out in the post you quote.  Nor could he even have
> > > > made it available, for the reasons I explained (and
> > > > which you have not challenged).
> > > > 
> > > > Can you find a recorded or transcribed talk of
> > > > Guru Dev--about meditation or anything else--that
> > > > has no sectarian elements, that would be 
> > > > universally acceptable, even to those who do not
> > > > believe in God?
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> 'As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)...'
> I noted no such thing! The speech was made at the Young Man's Tennis 
> Club, Queen's Gardens, in Delhi, not at a Hindu temple!
> 
A message from Judy: 
Right you are Paul! I'm sorry for misquoting you. Please understand,
I've been a little out of sorts for the past few years. You see, my
arse has been glued in place on my internet throne while I bang out
non-stop posts demeaning the intelligence of others. It's made me
quite cranky believe you me! Anyhoo, forgive me. Keep up the good work
and have a nice day.

Now, I'm going to try and pry myself out of my tuffet, go outside and
enjoy daylight for the first time. It's one small step towards finding
a life for myself. 

Goodbye and good luck everybody. I love you all!

"authfriend"
Judy Stein






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

[Paul Mason]

I snipped it where I did so most of my response would appear on the 
FFL notice board.
You ascribe so many motives to my postings - come on what is YOUR 
agenda? AND have you EVER actually practised this meditation thing 
you claim to have done. Are you just one of those anti-TMers who 
wants to make the Maharishi and the TM method appear so ineffective?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > 'As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)...'
> >
> > I noted no such thing! The speech was made at the Young Man's
> > Tennis Club, Queen's Gardens, in Delhi, not at a Hindu temple!
> 
> Nor did I say you noted that he was speaking at a Hindu
> temple, did I, Paul?
> 
> "As Paul notes" referred to your "Excerpts of speech
> made by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (before he was known as
> such)."
> 
> You intentionally deceptively snipped the rest of
> the sentence to make it appear I was misquoting you.
> "To devout Hindus" was obviously *my* parenthetical,
> since you'd said nothing whatsoever about who he
> was speaking to.
> 
> If we know for a fact that his audience at the Young 
> Men's Tennis Club in Delhi were not devout Hindus, then
> of course I'll withdraw the parenthetical.
> 
> My main point, as you know, was that--as I went on
> to say, and as you yourself noted--MMY was speaking 
> before he had conceived the idea of a nonsectarian
> meditation technique for the masses.]
> 
> No cigar, Paul; not even a nice try.
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Excerpts of speech made by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (before he 
was
> > > > known as such) in which he asked that Guru Dev's 'elevating 
> > > > discourses may reach the masses in every nook and corner of 
our 
> > > > country and abroad' 
> > > > - for full text go to 
> > > > 
http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/Maheshspeech.htm
> > > 
> > > As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)
> > > before he had conceived the idea of a nonsectarian
> > > meditation technique for the masses.
> > > 
> > > Your oft-repeated insinuation that MMY was trying
> > > to hide Guru Dev's teaching because it would reflect
> > > poorly on himself still doesn't wash, Paul.
> > > 
> > > MMY has *always* taught the nonsectarian elements
> > > of what Guru Dev taught.
> > > 
> > > What he *could not* do was to teach what Guru Dev
> > > taught about meditation if he wanted TM to be
> > > universally accepted, which is what I was pointing
> > > out in the post you quote.  Nor could he even have
> > > made it available, for the reasons I explained (and
> > > which you have not challenged).
> > > 
> > > Can you find a recorded or transcribed talk of
> > > Guru Dev--about meditation or anything else--that
> > > has no sectarian elements, that would be 
> > > universally acceptable, even to those who do not
> > > believe in God?
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 'As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)...'
>
> I noted no such thing! The speech was made at the Young Man's
> Tennis Club, Queen's Gardens, in Delhi, not at a Hindu temple!

Nor did I say you noted that he was speaking at a Hindu
temple, did I, Paul?

"As Paul notes" referred to your "Excerpts of speech
made by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (before he was known as
such)."

You intentionally deceptively snipped the rest of
the sentence to make it appear I was misquoting you.
"To devout Hindus" was obviously *my* parenthetical,
since you'd said nothing whatsoever about who he
was speaking to.

If we know for a fact that his audience at the Young 
Men's Tennis Club in Delhi were not devout Hindus, then
of course I'll withdraw the parenthetical.

My main point, as you know, was that--as I went on
to say, and as you yourself noted--MMY was speaking 
before he had conceived the idea of a nonsectarian
meditation technique for the masses.]

No cigar, Paul; not even a nice try.


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Excerpts of speech made by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (before he was
> > > known as such) in which he asked that Guru Dev's 'elevating 
> > > discourses may reach the masses in every nook and corner of our 
> > > country and abroad' 
> > > - for full text go to 
> > > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/Maheshspeech.htm
> > 
> > As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)
> > before he had conceived the idea of a nonsectarian
> > meditation technique for the masses.
> > 
> > Your oft-repeated insinuation that MMY was trying
> > to hide Guru Dev's teaching because it would reflect
> > poorly on himself still doesn't wash, Paul.
> > 
> > MMY has *always* taught the nonsectarian elements
> > of what Guru Dev taught.
> > 
> > What he *could not* do was to teach what Guru Dev
> > taught about meditation if he wanted TM to be
> > universally accepted, which is what I was pointing
> > out in the post you quote.  Nor could he even have
> > made it available, for the reasons I explained (and
> > which you have not challenged).
> > 
> > Can you find a recorded or transcribed talk of
> > Guru Dev--about meditation or anything else--that
> > has no sectarian elements, that would be 
> > universally acceptable, even to those who do not
> > believe in God?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > You're probably right about Barks, but that "translation" of the
> > > Arabic was the first time that the phrase made any sense to me.
> > 
> > On the other hand, Kabir was certainly a mystic, and
> > according to Wikipedia his poetry is pervaded by ideas
> > from both the Vedanta and Bhakti streams of Hinduism
> > (which is, interestingly, similar to what MMY has said
> > of Shankara's teaching).  Kabir disavowed sectarian
> > religion of any kind.  "He often advocated leaving
> > aside the Qur'an and Vedas and to simply follow Shahaj
> > path, or the Simple/Natural Way to oneness in God,"
> > Wikipedia says.
> > 
> > If all this is correct, it would be odd indeed if Kabir
> > had invoked "There is no God but Allah" in the exclusive
> > sectarian Islamic sense.
> 
> To quote myself from earlier today:
> > In my opinion, when you know nothing about a
> > subject, it's better to say nothing about it than
> > to spout a buncha bullshit and *prove* that you
> > know nothing about it. Some posters here, who
> > feel compelled to act as if they know all about
> > things they've never studied (the Google-it-for-
> > five-minutes-and-pretend-you're-an-expert approach)
> > would IMO do better to follow their teacher's
> > example and just stay away from subjects they
> > know nothing about.
> 
> Not only did Judy feel compelled to do the
> Google-it-for-five-minutes-and-pretend-you're-
> an-expert thang,

Actually, I do the Google thing to document what
I already know.  (Never claimed to be an expert,
of course; that's another of Barry's fantasies.)

> she got the name of the poet
> wrong. The line being "translated" was by Rumi.

Oops.  Quite right.

HOWEVER, as it happens, very much the same applies
to Rumi, who founded one of the major Sufi orders
(the Mehlevi or "Whirling Dervishes").

>From the Wikipedia article on Rumi:

The general theme of his thoughts, like that of the other mystic
and Sufi poets of the Persian literature, is essentially about
the concept of Tawheed (unity) and union with his beloved (the
primal root) from which/whom he has been cut and fallen aloof,
and his longing and desire for reunity.

And from the Wikipedia article on Sufism:

The central doctrine of Sufism, sometimes called Wahdat or Unity,
is the understanding of Tawhid: all phenomena are manifestations
of a single reality, or Wujud (being), or al-Haq (Truth, God).
The essence of being/Truth/God is devoid of every form and quality, 
and hence unmanifested, yet it is inseparable from every form and 
phenomenon either material or spiritual. It is often understood to 
imply that every phenomenon is an aspect of Truth and at the same 
time attribution of existence to it is false. The chief aim of all 
Sufis then is to let go of all notions of duality, therefore the 
individual self also, and realize the divine unity.

In other words: "There is nothing but God; God is One."

> If just being called (correctly) a True Believer

Uh, no, Barry, your guideline for identifying
True Believers, as you know, does not include me
at all.

> got her in as much of a snit as she's been today,

No "snit," Barry, sorry.  Just pointing out your
fraudulence and hypocrisy, as usual.

> I just can't WAIT to see how she reacts to 
> realizing that she made an ass of herself. 
> Expect about 20 more posts in the next two
> or three days trashing me.  :-)

If you continue to make stupid posts, you bet I'll
continue to trash you for doing so.






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[FairfieldLife] Connect the dots: YS III 1 - 4 (part 1)

[cardemaister]

YS III 1:

desha-bandhash cittasya dhaaraNaa

"Syntactic translation":

desha-bandha of citta (is) dhaaraNaa

Vocabulary:

 deza m. (1. %{diz}) point , region , spot , place , part , portion 
VS. AitBr. S3r. & Gr2S. Mn. &c. ; province , country , kingdom R. 
Hit. Katha1s. Vet. ; institute , ordinance W 


bandha m. binding , tying , a bond , tie , chain , fetter RV. &c. 
&c. ; a ligature , bandage Sus3r. ; damming up (a river) Ma1rkP. ; 
capture , arrest , imprisonment , custody Mn. MBh. &c. ; connection 
or intercourse with (comp.) Pan5cat. BhP. (ifc. = connected with , 
conducive to MBh.) ; putting together , uniting , contracting , 
combining , forming , producing MBh. Ka1v. &c. ; joining (the 
hollowed hands) Ragh. ; anything deposited (%{-dhe-sthA} = to remain 
deposited) Campak. ; a deposit , pledge Ra1jat. ; any configuration 
or position of the body (esp. of the hands and feet) Ragh. Kum. ; a 
partic. mode of sexual union (there are said to be 16 , 18 , 36 , or 
even 84 L.) , Caur. ; constructing , building (of a bridge &c.) MBh. 
Ra1jat. ; bridging over (the sea) Vcar. ; knitting (the brows) 
Ra1jat. ; fixing , directing (mind , eyes , &c.) Cat. ; assumption , 
obtainment (of a body) Ragh. ; (ifc.) conceiving , cherishing , 
feeling , betraying Hariv. Ka1lid. ; a border , framework , 
inclosure , receptacle L. ; a sinew , tendon L. ; the body L. ; (in 
phil.) mundane bondage , attachment to this world S3vetUp. Bhag. &c. 
(opp. to %{mukti} , %{mokSa} , `" final emancipation "' , and 
regarded in the Sa1m2khya as threefold , viz. %{prakRti-} , %
{vaikArika-} , and %{dakSiNA-b-}) ; combination of sounds (in 
rhet.) , construction or arrangement of words Ka1vya7d. Prata1p. ; 
arrangement of a stanza in a partic. shape Kpr. ; arrangement of 
musical sounds , composition S3atr. ; a disease which prevents the 
eyelids from quite closing Sus3r. ; (ifc. with numerals) a part (cf. %
{paJca-} , %{daza-b-}). 


1 citta mfn. `" noticed "' see %{a-ci4tta} ; `" aimed at "' , longed 
for ChUp.vii , 5 , 3 ; `" appeared "' , visible RV. ix , 65 , 12 ; n. 
attending , observing ([EMAIL PROTECTED] , `" so as to remain 
unnoticed "') , vii , 59 , 8 ; thinking , reflecting , imagining , 
thought RV. VS. S3Br. &c. ; intention , aim , wish RV. VS. AV. TBr. 
&c. ; (Naigh. iii , 9) the heart , mind TS. i S3vetUp. vi , 5 MBh. 
&c. (ifc. f. %{A} Pan5cat.) ; memory W. ; intelligence , reason KapS. 
i , 59 Yogas. i , 37 ; ii , 54 Veda7ntas. ; (in astrol.) the 9th 
mansion VarYogay. iv , 1 ; cf. %{iha-} , %{cala-} , %{pU4rva-} , %
{prA4yaz-} , %{laghu-} , %{su-} , %{sthira-}. 

dhAraNA f. (cf. %{-Na} , col. 1) the act of holding , bearing , 
wearing , supporting , maintaining MBh. R. ; retaining , keeping back 
(also in remembrance) , a good memory Kat2hUp. Gr2S. MBh. BhP. ; 
collection or concentration of the mind (joined with the retention of 
breath) Mn. MBh. Sus3r. Ka1v. Pur. &c. ; cf. MWB. 239 (%{-NAM-dhR} , 
to exercise concentration Ya1jn5. ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] , having composed 
one's self R.) ; understanding , intellect Ya1jn5. iii , 73 ; 
firmness , steadfastness , righteousness L. ; fixed preceptor settled 
rule , certainty Mn. MBh. ; pl. the 8th to the 11th day in the light 
half of month Jyaisht2ha Var. 

Example translation (bad):

Kingdom-intercourse of the heart is retaining







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

[Paul Mason]

'As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)...'
I noted no such thing! The speech was made at the Young Man's Tennis 
Club, Queen's Gardens, in Delhi, not at a Hindu temple!




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Excerpts of speech made by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (before he was
> > known as such) in which he asked that Guru Dev's 'elevating 
> > discourses may reach the masses in every nook and corner of our 
> > country and abroad' 
> > - for full text go to 
> > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/Maheshspeech.htm
> 
> As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus)
> before he had conceived the idea of a nonsectarian
> meditation technique for the masses.
> 
> Your oft-repeated insinuation that MMY was trying
> to hide Guru Dev's teaching because it would reflect
> poorly on himself still doesn't wash, Paul.
> 
> MMY has *always* taught the nonsectarian elements
> of what Guru Dev taught.
> 
> What he *could not* do was to teach what Guru Dev
> taught about meditation if he wanted TM to be
> universally accepted, which is what I was pointing
> out in the post you quote.  Nor could he even have
> made it available, for the reasons I explained (and
> which you have not challenged).
> 
> Can you find a recorded or transcribed talk of
> Guru Dev--about meditation or anything else--that
> has no sectarian elements, that would be 
> universally acceptable, even to those who do not
> believe in God?
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > The Statement issued by: BAL BRAHMACHARI SHRI MAHESH JI.
> > 15th Oct., 1952
> > 
> > 'His aim of life, if the life of a realised soul can be said to 
> > possess any such aim, is to broadcast the message of the Great 
> Divine 
> > light that he has himself realised, the Light that is the Soul of 
> all 
> > human beings. Having himself attained the pinnacle of Self 
> > development, he aims at transforming the worldly minded people 
into 
> > the Godly minded, and through his inner Divine touch to change 
the 
> > materialistic hearts of iron into spiritual hearts of gold.'
> > 
> > 'Shri Shankaracharya Maharaj has clear insight into the mind and 
> the 
> > thoughts of the modern age. His teaching and commendments are 
based 
> > on sound reasonings which are quite agreeable to any reasonable 
> > thinker. He is a great critic of prejudices and narrowmindedness 
> > arising out of irrational love of caste, creed, nationality or 
> > any "ism". His life is a living proof of the Truth of the Vedas 
and 
> > Shastras. He has opened a new era of renaissance of True 
Religion. 
> He 
> > extends his recognition to anything that is good in any religion. 
> He 
> > is accessible to all. Everyone can enjoy and derive benefit from 
> his 
> > holy Darshan and elevating discourses.'
> > 
> > 'The great Saint of the Himalayas in coming in your midst and in 
> the 
> > fitness of the great occasion, I appeal to your good sense to 
> extend 
> > your valuable support so that his elevating discourses may reach 
> the 
> > masses in every nook and corner of our country and abroad.'
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Paul Mason wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a 
> few 
> > > > >words about when and how to meditate.
> > > > >Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006
> > > 
> > > Paul, just how far do you think MMY would have
> > > gotten in teaching people around the world to
> > > meditate if he had been teaching a la Guru Dev?
> > > 
> > > Or, what do you think would have happened if MMY
> > > had taught as he did, and these instructions from
> > > Guru Dev had been translated and made available
> > > through the TMO?  How many TMers would have 
> > > decided they were going to try it Guru Dev's way,
> > > and what would have been the result?  Especially
> > > in the absence of Guru Dev's personal guidance?
> > > 
> > > What was MMY going to say, "No, no, don't do what
> > > Guru Dev instructed, do what I instruct"?
> > > 
> > > You keep suggesting that there's something 
> > > sinister about MMY not promoting Guru Dev's actual
> > > teaching, but that's one of the silliest criticisms
> > > I've encountered.
> > > 
> > > MMY obviously *didn't have a choice* if he wanted
> > > TM to be universally accepted--or even to *work*,
> > > for that matter.  The context in which Guru Dev
> > > taught was just too different.
> > > 
> > > I suppose MMY could have issued a carefully
> > > bowdlerized version of Guru Dev's lectures with
> > > all the sectarian Hinduism taken out.  What would
> > > you have thought of that?  What would have been
> > > left?  Would that have been true to Guru Dev's
> > > intent?
> > > 
> > > If you want to bash MMY for going global with TM
> > > instead of staying back 

[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis"  
> wrote:
> >
> > You're probably right about Barks, but that "translation" of the
> > Arabic was the first time that the phrase made any sense to me.
> 
> On the other hand, Kabir was certainly a mystic, and
> according to Wikipedia his poetry is pervaded by ideas
> from both the Vedanta and Bhakti streams of Hinduism
> (which is, interestingly, similar to what MMY has said
> of Shankara's teaching).  Kabir disavowed sectarian
> religion of any kind.  "He often advocated leaving
> aside the Qur'an and Vedas and to simply follow Shahaj
> path, or the Simple/Natural Way to oneness in God,"
> Wikipedia says.
> 
> If all this is correct, it would be odd indeed if Kabir
> had invoked "There is no God but Allah" in the exclusive
> sectarian Islamic sense.

To quote myself from earlier today:
> In my opinion, when you know nothing about a
> subject, it's better to say nothing about it than
> to spout a buncha bullshit and *prove* that you
> know nothing about it. Some posters here, who
> feel compelled to act as if they know all about
> things they've never studied (the Google-it-for-
> five-minutes-and-pretend-you're-an-expert approach)
> would IMO do better to follow their teacher's
> example and just stay away from subjects they
> know nothing about.

Not only did Judy feel compelled to do the
Google-it-for-five-minutes-and-pretend-you're-
an-expert thang, she got the name of the poet
wrong. The line being "translated" was by Rumi.

:-)  :-)  :-)

If just being called (correctly) a True Believer
got her in as much of a snit as she's been today,
I just can't WAIT to see how she reacts to 
realizing that she made an ass of herself. 
Expect about 20 more posts in the next two
or three days trashing me.  :-)









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where the mantras come from!...

[Bhairitu]

wmurphy77 wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>wmurphy77 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>In the Astral/Causal spine there are 7 centers (chakras)coexistent 
>>>  
>>>
>snip
>
>  
>
>>Have you read the "Mantra Mahodadhi of Mahidhara"?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>NO
>
It's a principle text on mantra shastra.  I think rather than relating 
TM to the chakras you may want to look at it's relationship to the Hindu 
stages of life and their attendant deities.  ;-)



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Language, the efficient and pragmatic use of

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:

> > Maybe you need a period of time in New York to work
> > out that fear of language thang, eh?  That IS what 
> > we're talking about, right? You give certain words
> > power over you, to the point that you're even afraid 
> > to spell out the first word in phrase while complaining 
> > about it here. 
> 
> You create enemies. Why?

Because otherwise he'd be nothing.

In his own mind (subconsciously at least), he can
exist only in *opposition* to somebody or something.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> You're probably right about Barks, but that "translation" of the
> Arabic was the first time that the phrase made any sense to me.

On the other hand, Kabir was certainly a mystic, and
according to Wikipedia his poetry is pervaded by ideas
from both the Vedanta and Bhakti streams of Hinduism
(which is, interestingly, similar to what MMY has said
of Shankara's teaching).  Kabir disavowed sectarian
religion of any kind.  "He often advocated leaving
aside the Qur'an and Vedas and to simply follow Shahaj
path, or the Simple/Natural Way to oneness in God,"
Wikipedia says.

If all this is correct, it would be odd indeed if Kabir
had invoked "There is no God but Allah" in the exclusive
sectarian Islamic sense.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Language, the efficient and pragmatic use of

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > > > Isn't this forum open to all for public discussion? 
> > > > Yet you go out of your frame constantly. Saying:
> > > > 'Fuck off and die' claiming this to be just a nice 
> > > > american idiom. 
> > > 
> > > Contrary to what Judy told you, it really *is* a
> > > fairly innocuous American idiom. 
> > 
> > You really do the culture here an injustice by your statement 
> > above. No one I've ever known uses such a statement like this 
> > innocuously. 
> 
> You live in a very protected neighborhood then. :-)
> 
> Working on Wall St. in New York, in offices filled
> with well-educated stockbrokers, traders, and pro-
> grammers, I would estimate that I heard this phrase 
> a dozen times a day. That's where I developed a
> liking for it (along with "Go figure."). It conveys 
> the idea of "go away and stop wasting my time and 
> yours" better than almost any other, and with a 
> remarkable economy of language. In the offices
> I worked in (Citibank and Salomon Brothers), many
> people turned it into an acronym (FOAD) and wrote
> it out on little signs so that they could hold up
> the sign and tell someone to go away without even 
> having to pause their phone conversations to do so. :-)
> 
> > Anyone I know, myself included would be very offended by 
> > the use of such a term directed at them.
> 
> Maybe you need a period of time in New York to work
> out that fear of language thang, eh?  That IS what 
> we're talking about, right? You give certain words
> power over you, to the point that you're even afraid 
> to spell out the first word in phrase while complaining 
> about it here. 

You create enemies. Why?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> > As I've been saying for some time--and LB Shriver
> > also commented recently--some of the True NON-Believers
> > here, Barry in particular, are utterly blind to the
> > fact that their thought processes are indistinguishable
> > from the those of the very truest of True Believers.
> 
> I think you have a point here Judy: As the WP atricle on
> Eric Hoffer says: 'As he describes in The True Believer,
> a passionate obsession with the outside world or with the
> private lives of other people is merely a craven attempt
> to compensate for a lack of meaning in one's own life.'
> Substitute 'private lives of other people' with Judy Stein
> and when and how often she posts.

Heh.  You don't even have to substitute.  I can't
count the number of times Barry has described his
fantasies about my private life and even my physical
characteristics.

> Furthermore: 'A core principle in the book is Hoffer's insight
> that mass movements are interchangeable; he notes fanatical
> Nazis later becoming fanatical Communists, fanatical Communists
> later becoming fanatical anti-Communists, and Saul, persecutor
> of Christians, becoming Paul, a fanatical Christian himself.
> For the true believer the substance of the mass movement
> isn't so important as that he or she is part of that movement.'

Yup, which is why Barry is so defensive about FFL
being, in his mind, reserved for *criticism* of MMY,
the TMO, and TMers.  It's the pro-TMers here who are
the "outsiders," the "invaders," as far as Barry is
concerned.

> So a True TM Believer can just as easily become a True Anti-TM
> Believer. Saul could become Paul, and Paul can become Saul.
> 
> And its not the obsession with a particular person, like
> Judy Stein that is important, but the meaning he the TB
> or TB-Anti derives from being obsessed. And the trademark
> of this obsession is his need to demonize his opponent. So
> for the TB-Anti the 'TB' is OTOH a victim and pitiable,
> but when he doesn't listen to him, he is demonized as
> scary, dangerous, paranoid fanatic. People, individuals who
> discuss here, are disowned of their individaul expressions
> and believes and portrayed as representatives of a larger
> anonymus monster.

*Very* well said.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 3, 2006, at 10:35 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 2, 2006, at 7:31 PM, bob_brigante wrote:
>>
>>> So you are claiming that although MMY left India and taught
>>> you and millions of other Westerners TM, a practice which
>>> you say "brings the light," and which practice you say you
>>> have practiced for 30 years, you do not regard discomfort
>>> around MMY -- the man responsible for teaching you this
>>> wonderful technique that you have been practicing for 30
>>> years (!) -- as demonstrating a deficiency in you rather than
>>> MMY?
>>
>> Bob, JOOC, why is it always necessary to find "fault" with
>> what someone else has said WRT MMY, when it's something you
>> apparently don't like? Why not just accept that that was
>> that person's experience, (not yours) and move on?  Why the
>> constant need to force explanations?  Move on already.
>
> Just FYI, Sal, this is Eric Hoffer's #1 criterion
> for True Believers as he defines them. (Since he
> invented the term, IMO his definition is probably
> worth paying attention to.)
>
> This criterion is defined as the person who reacts
> negatively or angrily to anyone who doesn't treat
> the leader of his particular mass movement "the
> way he should." That is, if the followers of the
> leader of the mass movement believe that the leader
> should be treated as superhuman or godlike, they
> would *also* tend to believe that anyone who does
> *not* treat the leader as godlike is attacking or
> dissing him. If the leader is, say, a political
> leader and his followers treat him by saluting him
> in a certain way (think Sieg Heil!), then anyone
> who does *not* salute the leader that way (even
> if their local customs or religionf forbid it) is
> perceived as being disrespectful to the political
> leader and often a traitor to the country.

Yep, and I think it becomes personal, too, in that the followers than 
perceive the other person's lack of appropriate motions as being 
disrespectful of themselves (the followers) and after a while the 
teacher or leader has all but been forgotten, as it becomes more and 
more a battle of wills.  Like MMY says, it's all self-referral. :)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Electo-Magnetic Energy of Enlightenment'

[wmurphy77]

You've got it Spock!!! And it's so basic to Yoga, really!



-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
>  
>   Many Yogis have told me that the Sexual Chakra is the Second 
Chakra [Orange].  The first Chakra [Red] is the base, also called 
Mooladhara Chakra in which the Kundalini serpent is Coiled and 
sleeping.
>
>   You don't energise the Sexual Chakras to awaken the 
kundalini.  Who told you this.??  You awaken the kundalini through 
meditation.  The three lower chakras are look after the base 
functions of the human body.  The kundalini travels across the  lower 
three chakras and once it reaches the fourth chakra, the person 
becomes more spiritual.
>
>   The Seventh Chakra [Violet] is in the middle of your brain 
and it's also the "Third Eye".  Both are one and the same.  
>
>   The Feminine energy of the Earth and Masculine energy of the 
Heaven is what the Chinese call Yin-Yang energy.  However, there is 
only one Universal Force, the Chi - Force that flows through 
everything and sustains everything.
>
>   Of course Electricity and Magnetism are two sides of the same 
coin.  James Clerk Maxwell was the first to unify Electricity and 
Magnetism by his four equations called Maxwell's equations in 1864.
> 
> Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 21:50:00 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'The Electo-Magnetic Energy of 
Enlightenment'
> 
>
>   A thought just occurred to me, in regard to the opening of the 
third eye, and chakras.
>   That is the idea, of Shiva & Shakti...
>   If we think of Shakti, as the feminine energy of the earth;
>   And if we think of Shiva, as the electrical energy of the sky
(Heaven);
>   Then we need both for enlightenment.
>   So, whether we think of the energy of the soul, radiating down 
into the body;
>   Or if we take the other direction of energizing the sexual 
chakras, to arouse the Kundalini; shooting upward.
>   Then,
>   Both are necessary; 
>   We know that when we are attracted to someone or something, there 
is a magnetic impulse to it.
>   We also know that when we have a sudden awareness or insight, 
this seems more electrical in nature;
>   Electricity and magnetism are two sides of the same coin.
>   So, it just seems to me, that both sides of the equation are 
needed.
>   Earth and Heaven; Shiva and Shakti both.
>   From head to toe, the more energy of the universe, we can have 
flowing through us;
>   The more of life energy is flowing through us.
>   The Unification of Shakti with Shiva that is the energy of 
enlightenment.
>   The spinning of those chakras, the opening of the energy...
>   In digital terms;  higher vibrations= increased sampling, or 
even, infinite sampling.
>
>R.G.
>
>
> 
>   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> You're probably right about Barks, but that "translation" of the
> Arabic was the first time that the phrase made any sense to me. 
> Obviously, it resonates with my experience and understanding. 
> Same with Bly's "translations" of Kabir; I've been told that 
> they are very creative translations but they remain my favorite 
> versions.
> 
> Thanks for the heads-up.

No problem. As it turns out, you are absolutely correct
about Robert Bly and his "creative" translations. I've
been told with regard to both him and Coleman Barks
that they don't actually know the languages they are
"translating" from, and most often work from several
different English-language translations of the originals,
trying to render them more poetical.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting

[Marek Reavis]

You're probably right about Barks, but that "translation" of the
Arabic was the first time that the phrase made any sense to me. 
Obviously, it resonates with my experience and understanding.   Same
with Bly's "translations" of Kabir; I've been told that they are very
creative translations but they remain my favorite versions.

Thanks for the heads-up.

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Coleman Barks, in one of his translations of Rumi, and speaking 
> > out of the Sufi tradition, translates the standard "There is no 
> > God but Allah" (la ilaha il Allahu) as "There is nothing but God, 
> > God alone is."
> 
> While I, like you, prefer his "translation" here, I 
> have to warn you that Coleman is well known for his
> loose translations of spiritual poetry. I'm most
> familiar with his "creative" translations of the
> poetry of the Sixth Dalai Lama, which are pretty
> in English but often have nothing whatsoever to do
> with the original Tibetan he is translating from.
> 
> Friends in Boulder who know him from his many
> appearances there at Shambala say that he is quite
> outspoken about feeling no need to render the exact
> meaning of the original if his intuitive "feeling"
> for the poem is something else.
> 
> It's a problem when translating almost all poetry
> from one language to another. I'm just mentioning
> it because if you're going to quote his translation
> of this verse elsewhere, you should know that his
> tendency to not respect the original language is
> well known.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Electo-Magnetic Energy of Enlightenment'

[Jason Spock]

       Many Yogis have told me that the Sexual Chakra is the Second Chakra [Orange].  The first Chakra [Red] is the base, also called Mooladhara Chakra in which the Kundalini serpent is Coiled and sleeping.         You don't energise the Sexual Chakras to awaken the kundalini.  Who told you this.??  You awaken the kundalini through meditation.  The three lower chakras are look after the base functions of the human body.  The kundalini travels across the  lower three chakras and once it reaches the fourth chakra, the person becomes more spiritual.         The Seventh Chakra [Violet] is in the middle of your brain and it's also the "Third Eye".  Both are one and the same.           The Feminine energy of the Earth and Masculine energy of the Heaven is what the Chinese call Yin-Yang energy.  However, there is only one Universal Force, the Chi - Force that flows through everything and sustains everything.         Of course Electricity and Magnetism are two sides of the same coin.  James Clerk Maxwell was the first to unify Electricity and Magnetism by his four equations called Maxwell's equations in
 1864.Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 21:50:00 -0700 (PDT)Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'The Electo-Magnetic Energy of Enlightenment'     A thought just occurred to me, in regard to the opening of the third eye, and chakras.  That is the idea, of Shiva & Shakti...  If we think of Shakti, as the feminine energy of the earth;  And if we think of Shiva, as the electrical energy of the sky(Heaven); 
 Then we need both for enlightenment.  So, whether we think of the energy of the soul, radiating down into the body;  Or if we take the other direction of energizing the sexual chakras, to arouse the Kundalini; shooting upward.  Then,  Both are necessary;   We know that when we are attracted to someone or something, there is a magnetic impulse to it.  We also know that when we have a sudden awareness or insight, this seems
 more electrical in nature;  Electricity and magnetism are two sides of the same coin.  So, it just seems to me, that both sides of the equation are needed.  Earth and Heaven; Shiva and Shakti both.  From head to toe, the more energy of the universe, we can have flowing through us;  The more of life energy is flowing through us.  The Unification of Shakti with Shiva that is the energy of enlightenment.  The
 spinning of those chakras, the opening of the energy...  In digital terms;  higher vibrations= increased sampling, or even, infinite sampling.      R.G.       
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

[t3rinity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> What's so ironic in this case is that your story
> about MMY *wasn't even a challenge*, it was just
> an alternate possibility.
> 
> And Barry could have continued to maintain his
> opinion *even if he accepted that your story was
> true*, by suggesting that MMY may not really have
> had a vision he thought was of Guru Dev, but had
> made it up as an excuse.

Of course. Both ways, 1) the vison didn't take place, or 
2) the vison wasn't authentic (that is not from a real disembodied GD)

> (Of course, you also made it clear that you weren't
> claiming the vision MMY said he'd had was actually
> a visitation from a disembodied Guru Dev, so 
> whether such visitations are even possible is
> completely irrelevant.)
> 
> What Barry found so threatening about your story
> was the mere idea that there *was* an alternate
> possibility to his take.

Barry had already started to discuss No 2, by citing the many examples
out of the Rama community, who channeled him after his death. I had
pointed out the difference, for example that MMY didn't boast about
his experience (even to the extend that people in the movement don't
know about it), and he didn't really channel, that is give messages
out (which was Barrys argument for creating self-importance). When I
had pointed this out, he jumped lines and started saying, that the
whole vision didn't take place (because he never had heard of it), and
accused me of being a paranoid cultist. IOW he lost patience. I think
I am sort of a red rag to him.

To me the import of the story is this: If No.2 is the case, that is,
if the vision had taken place, but isn't authenitic, MMY couldn't be
accused of betraying his master, because he himself *believed* that he
did his masters bidding.

In fact, as there is no way to prove, if a vision is true or not, it
would have been impossible to demonize MMY. As you say, everything is
possible, but to me the story MMY retells about the beginning of the
movement, his experiences at Kanyakumari and Guruvayur, where MMY
'received the inspiration to give the blessing of the Himalayas'
(quote History Book) shows that visionary, or to avoid the word, inner
mystical experiences, were at the start of the movement, and that is
btw. the way most religious movements started.

In the Beacon Light he says at one point, (just rephrasing) that the
blessing of GD is now available, and he doesn't know how long it will
last. When you hear the tapes about how he left Uttar Kashi, he tells,
how he felt a lack, an emptiness after GD's death. He also speaks
clearly of the witnessing, how thought just emerge, and he witnesses
them, like the thought to go to Rameshvaram. Then this other yogi
tells him to get rid of the thought by going there. So, this vision,
if it happened, came to MMY just about two years after the death of
his master, with whom he had been close for 13 years, and which had
left some kind of emptiness in him. That would be very different
situation from let's say me having a vision of GD now, whom I had
never seen, and wouldn't miss physically.

His remarks in the Beacon Light and the historybook show, that he felt
GD's presence with him - very different from the emptiness he
described in the tapes after GD's death, when he went to Uttar Kashi.
 
> As I've been saying for some time--and LB Shriver
> also commented recently--some of the True NON-Believers
> here, Barry in particular, are utterly blind to the
> fact that their thought processes are indistinguishable
> from the those of the very truest of True Believers.

I think you have a point here Judy: As the WP atricle on Eric Hoffer
says: 'As he describes in The True Believer, a passionate obsession
with the outside world or with the private lives of other people is
merely a craven attempt to compensate for a lack of meaning in one's
own life.' Substitute 'private lives of other people' with Judy Stein
and when and how often she posts. Furthermore: 'A core principle in
the book is Hoffer's insight that mass movements are interchangeable;
he notes fanatical Nazis later becoming fanatical Communists,
fanatical Communists later becoming fanatical anti-Communists, and
Saul, persecutor of Christians, becoming Paul, a fanatical Christian
himself. For the true believer the substance of the mass movement
isn't so important as that he or she is part of that movement.'
So a True TM Believer can just as easily become a True Anti-TM
Believer. Saul could become Paul, and Paul can become Saul.

And its not the obsession with a particular person, like Judy Stein
that is important, but the meaning he the TB or TB-Anti derives from
being obsessed. And the trademark of this obsession is his need to
demonize his opponent. So for the TB-Anti the 'TB' is OTOH a victim
and pitiable, but when he doesn't listen to h

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In spiritual movements, the most common criterion
> these days is that if the followers have been 
> trained to believe that the leader is almost by
> definition unable to do anything wrong or make a
> mistake, anyone who suggests that the leader is
> a normal human being and therefore as capable of
> mistakes as anyone else is perceived as *attacking* 
> the leader.
> 
> I think it's good to keep this guideline in mind
> here on FFL. In my considered opinion, those people
> who claim most loudly that they are *not* True
> Believers exhibit this particular behavior in spades.

Whew.  Thanks for providing this guideline, Barry.
It definitively eliminates me, at least, from the
TB list.

> Almost every time that someone portrays Maharishi
> in a way that is different from their image of him,
> they react as if the person who said something diff-
> erent had *attacked* him, and was trying to (to quote
> one of them) "bring him down."

Well, that was my phrase, but of course according to
your guideline above, I'm not "one of them."







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Language, the efficient and pragmatic use of

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> On Sep 3, 2006, at 2:34 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> >> You really do the culture here an injustice by your statement
> >> above. No one I've ever known uses such a statement like this
> >> innocuously.
> >
> > You live in a very protected neighborhood then. :-)'
> 
> I must live in a protected neighborhood too, then, because
> I've never heard *anyone* say it (that I can recall), except
> perhaps when we were teenagers.  Others may very well use it,
> but it doesn't occur with nearly the frequency you make it
> out to, unless amongst a very limited group.

I grew up in NYC, lived there until just a few years ago,
and *I* never heard anyone say it.  I *have* seen it in
print (electronic or otherwise), but always in an extremely
hostile context.

> To me, it's the equivalent of "Drop dead."  Not a very nice
> thing to say.

Yup.  I've used it exactly once in my life, on this
very forum (its abbreviation, actually).  I was
*exceedingly* pissed at the person I said it to, and
I meant it to be understood as the ultimate in verbal
hostility.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On Sep 2, 2006, at 7:31 PM, bob_brigante wrote:
> 
> > So you are claiming that although MMY left India and taught 
> > you and millions of other Westerners TM, a practice which 
> > you say "brings the light," and which practice you say you 
> > have practiced for 30 years, you do not regard discomfort 
> > around MMY -- the man responsible for teaching you this 
> > wonderful technique that you have been practicing for 30 
> > years (!) -- as demonstrating a deficiency in you rather than
> > MMY?
> 
> Bob, JOOC, why is it always necessary to find "fault" with 
> what someone else has said WRT MMY, when it's something you 
> apparently don't like? Why not just accept that that was 
> that person's experience, (not yours) and move on?  Why the 
> constant need to force explanations?  Move on already.

Just FYI, Sal, this is Eric Hoffer's #1 criterion
for True Believers as he defines them. (Since he 
invented the term, IMO his definition is probably 
worth paying attention to.)

This criterion is defined as the person who reacts
negatively or angrily to anyone who doesn't treat
the leader of his particular mass movement "the
way he should." That is, if the followers of the
leader of the mass movement believe that the leader
should be treated as superhuman or godlike, they 
would *also* tend to believe that anyone who does
*not* treat the leader as godlike is attacking or 
dissing him. If the leader is, say, a political
leader and his followers treat him by saluting him
in a certain way (think Sieg Heil!), then anyone
who does *not* salute the leader that way (even 
if their local customs or religionf forbid it) is 
perceived as being disrespectful to the political
leader and often a traitor to the country.

In spiritual movements, the most common criterion
these days is that if the followers have been 
trained to believe that the leader is almost by
definition unable to do anything wrong or make a
mistake, anyone who suggests that the leader is
a normal human being and therefore as capable of
mistakes as anyone else is perceived as *attacking* 
the leader.

I think it's good to keep this guideline in mind
here on FFL. In my considered opinion, those people
who claim most loudly that they are *not* True
Believers exhibit this particular behavior in spades.

Almost every time that someone portrays Maharishi
in a way that is different from their image of him,
they react as if the person who said something diff-
erent had *attacked* him, and was trying to (to quote
one of them) "bring him down." I think that anyone
with an open mind can see that this isn't the case,
and that in many cases all that the person being
called "anti-TM" or "anti-MMY" has done is to 
think of Maharishi in a way that is *different*
from the way that the True Believers want him to
be thought of.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

[wmurphy77]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

snip>
 
> What the hell is this third eye and why do you think it is important?



The third eye is the portal to infinity, that's why it's important! 
Unfolding of the chakras unfold powers of morality, self control, 
chastity, descrimination, etc. That is why we meditate, and the 
unfolding of the chakras is the methodology from which we get these 
powers and win the battle of life, (i.e. good over evil).





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > 
> > > Before anyone freaks out and considers this 
> > > "anti-TM," it's not.
> > 
> 
> > Why, *of course* it's not anti-TM (or anti-MMY).
> > How could anybody think accusing MMY of talking
> > about something he knew nothing about and getting
> > it wrong was anti-MMY?
> 
> Ha, ha,on the other hand, can you prove any
> different? Turq. could be right, yes?

Of course.  That wasn't my point.

> That's the problem, we really don't know, MMY has left us in the 
dark 
> on this, central to Yoga, subject; maybe it's justified, I guess 
I'll 
> just continue to meditate.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Where the mantras come from!...

[wmurphy77]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> wmurphy77 wrote:
> 
> >In the Astral/Causal spine there are 7 centers (chakras)coexistent 
snip

> Have you read the "Mantra Mahodadhi of Mahidhara"?
>


NO






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[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I noticed in an interview with Steve Cintanni and his camera man that 
at  one 
> point while the main person in charge of their capture was 
interviewing  
> them, that he, at one point, through up his hands and exclaimed "it 
would be so  
> much easier if all you westerners would just convert to Islam". Yes , 
> submission  to Allah via a bunch of ayatollahs would  make things 
easier for them.  
> Can anybody in this forum begin to imagine having to live under 
shiria law? 
> None  of us would live long and poor Judy would be the first to  go!









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[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 9/3/06 1:26:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
>  
>  
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
> ,  Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > on 9/3/06 12:09 AM,  shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ on 9/3/06
> > > 
> > > Bill  Maher did a bit on his show this week about converting to 
> Islam.
> >  > Unlike, say, Judaism which is a long, drawn out affair if you 
want  
> to
> > > convert to it -- you gott take classes, study the  religion, 
etc. --
> > > according to Islam you just say two sentences  and you're in!
> > > 
> > ³There is no God but Allah and Muhammad  is his prophet.²
> > 
> > Surely true on some level.
> 
> Well, it's  true, the Jews do seem to complicate things (I'm 
Jewish, so 
> I can say  that)...
> But Jesus, who evolved Jewish thought: 
> His message of love and  forgiveness, conquering all;
> And:
> According to most of the Christians  and especially the Billy 
Graham 
> type evangelist's say, from my experience  say the same thing;
> That you just have to except Jesus as the Son of G*d,  who died for 
> your sins, 
> And,
> Accept Jesus into your heart, and  that's it: simple...
> Funny how we fight wars over this stuff;
> Or maybe  not so funny?
> R.G.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Robert, I don't think that many wars have been fought over
> such a  simplistic idea as my God is better than your God,
> at least in recent times.  Usually the matter is political
> or ethnic and the people on the opposite  sides of the 
> political spectrum just happen to be of different religious
> backgrounds thus it is perceived as a religious war. Religion
> only tends to  galvanize the underlying causes of the tension.

Well put.

> Your assessment of  what it  takes to be a 
> Christian is also a bit simplistic as well. While praying the  
> Sinners Prayer, admitting to God that you are a sinner and
> asking Christ to  atone for your sins and come into your heart
> and guide your life, is only the  beginning

Some flavors of Christianity don't even require
that.  There's a liberal nondenominational church
in NYC where all you have to do is say "Yes" to the
statement, "Jesus Christ is Lord," in front of the
congregation, and presto, you're a Christian in
their eyes.

But as you go on to point out, it's expected that
you will do your best to *follow* Christ after having
made that affirmation.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

[wmurphy77]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Another piece of jigsaw puzzle, thanks.

snip>

So what happened when you looked in MMY's eyes that caused you to stop 
meditating?  (P.S. Like your website BTW.)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> > Your constant mantra that you're not trying to
> > convince anybody of anything, Barry, is a crock.
> > It's an excuse you haul out to get yourself off
> > the hook when somebody mounts a solid challenge
> > to whatever you're trying to convince them of.
> 
> Well said. Very good observation.

What's so ironic in this case is that your story
about MMY *wasn't even a challenge*, it was just
an alternate possibility.

And Barry could have continued to maintain his
opinion *even if he accepted that your story was
true*, by suggesting that MMY may not really have
had a vision he thought was of Guru Dev, but had
made it up as an excuse.

(Of course, you also made it clear that you weren't
claiming the vision MMY said he'd had was actually
a visitation from a disembodied Guru Dev, so 
whether such visitations are even possible is
completely irrelevant.)

What Barry found so threatening about your story
was the mere idea that there *was* an alternate
possibility to his take.

As I've been saying for some time--and LB Shriver
also commented recently--some of the True NON-Believers
here, Barry in particular, are utterly blind to the
fact that their thought processes are indistinguishable
from the those of the very truest of True Believers.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

[Paul Mason]

Another piece of jigsaw puzzle, thanks.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "randymeltzer" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The story I heard about the puja painting of Guru Dev (can't 
> remember from whom it was, but it was in the late 90's), was that it
> was done by an artist in India.  A TM teacher while travelling in 
> India, happenned to wander into this artist's shop and saw the 
> painting on the wall.  He asked the artist about it, and was told 
> that he had painted it so many years ago.  The artist had no idea 
> that it had been used for so many millions of intiations around the 
> world, and was quite pleased to hear about it.  
> Word got to Maharishi that the artist had been found. Maharishi was 
> very happy anout this and  invited the man to come to Vlodrop, but 
> this never happenned, because the man was quite elderly and died 
> soon after this chance meeting with the TM teacher.
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Just checked "M T V Acharya" on the net, and it came up with an 
> > > artist based in Bangalore, so it could well have been he who 
did 
> the 
> > > puja portrait.
> > 
> > On the first hit:
> > "SHANKAR: Long time artist. I think shankar is active even today. 
> Shankar
> > started in 1953. Took over MTV Acharya for 'Cover' art too. He 
did 
> the
> > Chandamam front covers for 3 - 4 years, ... till MTV returned to 
> take
> > that job
> > during mid 1956. Shankar artwork on Ramayana was very good. 
SHANKAR
> > also did
> > artwork for Yuva."
> > 
> > 1956 is even the year MMY went there. It could have been well 
that 
> it
> > was done then. MMY was several month in Madanapalle (there still 
> is a
> > MMY mandir there) before he went to America, thats about 3 hours 
> from
> > Bangalore. The picture on page 53 was supposedly taken in 1955, 
> that
> > would have been before, I believe it was cut in.
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?

[wmurphy77]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
> > Before anyone freaks out and considers this 
> > "anti-TM," it's not.
> 

> Why, *of course* it's not anti-TM (or anti-MMY).
> How could anybody think accusing MMY of talking
> about something he knew nothing about and getting
> it wrong was anti-MMY?

Ha, ha,on the other hand, can you prove any different? Turq. could 
be right, yes?

That's the problem, we really don't know, MMY has left us in the dark 
on this, central to Yoga, subject; maybe it's justified, I guess I'll 
just continue to meditate.






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