[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum

2006-10-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > > bob brigante wrote:
> > > 
> > > ... teach TM to parents, who can then get their kids to start.
> > > Ignorant parents naturally tend to circle the wagons
> > > when they think their kids are in danger from some foreign 
> element,
> > > and there is no sense trying to fight that...
> >
> 
>  
> > except that in this case, the alarmed parent already
> > had been part of the TM Org, and she spoke with that 
> > authority of negative personal experience.
> > 
> 
> *
> 
> It's Standard Operating Procedure for hysterical evangelicals to 
> claim that they did TM for years before they came to their senses ( 
> http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/201.html ), and it's almost 
> always a bullshit claim by people who will say anything to scare 
> people away from TM and into the fundie camp. Anyway, it makes no 
> difference what one person has to offer by way of anecdote -- that's 
> why they do scientific studies, and TM has that all wrapped up.
> 
>

Did I read "she was a TM *teacher* for 35 years?"




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum

2006-10-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03  wrote:
> > >
> > > Pilot program for TM into a California high school, sponsored by 
> > Lynch:
> > > 
> > > http://www.marinij.com/ci_4486015
> > >
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> > Of course.
> > 
> > This is going to happen everywhere the TMO tries to implement TM into 
> > schools.
> > 
> > Why waste time and money trying?
> >
> 
> ***
> 
> It's not only a waste of time and money, but if it ends up in the 
> courts, it will only tend to reinforce the TM-as-religion issue, which 
> does not need to be highlighted. It would be a lot smarter to leave 
> school kids alone, except for private schools and charter schools where 
> schools can do as they please, and teach TM to parents, who can then 
> get their kids to start. Ignorant parents naturally tend to circle the 
> wagons when they think their kids are in danger from some foreign 
> element, and there is no sense trying to fight that.
>

Charter schools are public schools.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum

2006-10-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03  wrote:
> >
> > Pilot program for TM into a California high school, sponsored by 
> Lynch:
> > 
> > http://www.marinij.com/ci_4486015
> >
> 
> 
> Of course.
> 
> This is going to happen everywhere the TMO tries to implement TM into 
> schools.
> 
> Why waste time and money trying?
>

Is it a waste?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unlikely job prospects for siddha scholarship recipients

2006-10-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The Invincible America web site says that:
> 
> "How long will the grants support last for each person?
> We envision that people will be trained for jobs that will enable them 
> to support themselves with just 2 hours/day of work. Once one reaches 
> this level, then the $600/month will no longer be necessary and can be 
> used to support someone else."
> *
> To learn enough computer programming to be able to do this would take 
> what, a couple years of study? I see the TMO pulling support for the 
> scholarship recipients (except for the pundits, if they show up) after 
> a short while regardless of whether they are earning enough or not 
> (just as they did for recerts). I do think that lots of baby boomers 
> collecting early-retirement Social Security checks at age 62 (which 
> starts in 2008) will be interested in taking advantage of this program, 
> which will mean that only the pundits will need to be supported.
>

If they have $1 million/month pledged for the next year, they can be patient.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT

2006-10-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bhairitu"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Nice.but aren't Macs total shite?  
> > >  Look at all the spurious typography in that shit. All that was 
> caused 
> > > by stupid fukin' Macs.
> > > I worked on Macs for 12 years, then was forced swtich to a 
> Toshiba.   
> > > I will never work on a Mac again. I teach on Macs and PC's. Even 
> the 
> > > new macs are constantly crashing and freezing. The PC's never 
> do.
> > > It is very frustrating for the  students, but all the stupid Mac 
> > > addicted old-fart design faculty think that all that sh!t is 
> > > normal !!   
> > >  
> > > Its not normal Mac retards ! ! ! 
> > > 
> > > Macs are Shite.
> > > 
> > > OffWorld
> > >
> > I never have understood the Steve Jobs fan club that much.  They
> > really believe the hype sorta like another organization we all 
> know. 
> > They believe it so much they pay a lot more for a computer (kinda 
> like
> > paying a lot more for a little mantra).  And now it is running Unix
> > and it probably would have been running Linux if it was for that 
> SCO
> > fiasco.  And there is nothing wrong with either of those OS's as in
> > fact I won't do email and most of my browsing anymore on buggy
> > Windows.  I'm now running Ubuntu having upgraded my Linux system. 
> > Love it, except that I need to work out a cursor bug with the PNY 
> 6200
> > video card.  There are still parts of Linux that aren't ready for
> > prime-time though it is still a good Windoze killer.
> > 
> > That being said I think what we're looking at is UTF-8 encoding 
> which
> > is messing up the display.  Perhaps someone didn't set the encoding
> > right on the page.
> > 
> > And of course I get to answer this on the web page because I got 
> all
> > of one "hard bounce" and Yahoo shuts down the account.  That I 
> don't
> > get either.>>
> 
> Macs used to be better than PC's and faster and nicer, up until 
> about the year 2002, 'specially for large file graphics operations. 
> Now they are shite by comparison. I had a friend with a brand new 
> Mac expensive laptop, and I kept going on about how Macs are awful 
> and always freezing and crashing under duress, whereas my Toshiba 
> never freezes. My friend denied all thisthen not long after my 
> friend's Mac crashed and was at the doctors for 2 weeks. My Toshiba 
> has had just about as much abuse as you can give a computer (except 
> for in Shemp's case when he is dribbling and squirting all ove the 
> place on it :-), and it has never had a problem and deals with my 
> graphic design work no problem. Macs are slow.
> 
> OffWorld
>


shrug. What's the fastest CPU on a toshiba? The fastest I could find at their 
website was a 
2.0 duo core. The fastest MacBook Pro has a 2.16 duo core.

The older Mac laptops are based on an ancient  powerpc G4 design that is quite 
slow by 
today's standards. IBM stopped conentrating on Apple-oriented processors 
because there 
was more money in games consoles, so Apple switched their entire product line 
to Intel as 
of this year. Unless your friend bought his in the past 6 months or so, his Mac 
laptop is at 
least 5x as slow as the current Mac laptops.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT

2006-10-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bhairitu"  wrote:
> > There are still parts of Linux that aren't ready for
> > prime-time though it is still a good Windoze killer.
> 
> For me, the ability to play *any* type of online multimedia is of
> primary importance, and I don't trust Linux or even a Mac to handle
> all Windows Media Player content. I recently switched from Win2000 to
> XP only because I started encountering too many sites requiring WMP
> 10, which is not available for Win2000. 

Heh. How's WMP at MPEG-4 content?

And I'll match the formats supported by QuickTime vs the formats supported by 
WMP any 
day of the week.

> 
> The way I deal with Windows security issues is to keep my machine
> behind a hardware firewall, not use Outlook Express, and use Internet
> Explorer as little as possible. 
> 
> Because I use robust hardware (all name brand components, not
> cheap-ass proprietary crap from the big PC makers), I encounter very
> few bug problems.
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT

2006-10-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nice.but aren't Macs total shite?  
> > >  Look at all the spurious typography in that shit. All that was 
> caused 
> > > by stupid fukin' Macs.
> > > I worked on Macs for 12 years, then was forced swtich to a 
> Toshiba.   
> > > I will never work on a Mac again. I teach on Macs and PC's. Even 
> the 
> > > new macs are constantly crashing and freezing. The PC's never 
> do.
> > > It is very frustrating for the  students, but all the stupid Mac 
> > > addicted old-fart design faculty think that all that sh!t is 
> > > normal !!   
> > >  
> > > Its not normal Mac retards ! ! ! 
> > > 
> > > Macs are Shite.
> > > 
> > > OffWorld
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Guffaw.
> > 
> > Now I know your entire set of crazy arguments about black holes 
> was an elaborate troll.>>
> 
> Then how come you completely lost the argument, and made a fool of 
> yourself.


Elvis: OK.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Oct 13, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> > IMPORTANT CONFERENCE CALL
> >
> > About the Arrival of the Vedic Pandits
> >
> > SATURDAY, OCTOBER 14
> >
> > 9:00 pm EDT • 8:00 pm CDT • 9:00 pm MDT • 8:00 pm PDT
> >  Live on MOU  or via conference call
> 
> I can't wait.
> 
> Actually, I do plan on trying to watch at least some of it, as much as 
> I can stand.  Should be fun to try and see Bevan spin with a straight 
> face.
> >
> > To join the conference call, telephone: 512-225-3019—
> >  and then  enter the code 60345#
> >
> > His Excellency Dr. John Hagelin;
> >  Dr. Robert Wynne, Raja of Vedic  America;
> >  His Excellency Dr. Bevan Morris
> 
> Anybody know the difference between a Raja and an Excellency? Curious 
> minds and all that.

Excellency is earned. Raja is bought.

> >
> >  Dear Vedic Pandit Benefactor
> 
> Uh, oh...
> 
> > Fantastic news!
> 
> Uh oh again.
> 
> 
> (huge trim here)
> 
> >  However, we must immediately cover the start-up costs of building the 
> >  new campus—and continue to build until we have proper housing for 
> > 1,000  Vedic Pandits.  Therefore, now is the time for all of you who 
> > have who so kindly  pledged to support the Vedic Pandits when they 
> > arrive to quickly fulfill  your commitment.
> 
> So this is a--gasp--plug for $$?  Who would have thought.

Read it more carefully. It's a request for people to pay up what they've 
already pledged.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Well, I guess hell froze over -- and a lot of hard-core pessimists
> will have to find something else to be mad at. :) Perhaps it would be
> good to use a napkin to remove the egg from your faces. 

Honestly? I remain unconvinced. 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >  However, we must immediately cover the start-up costs of 
> > building
> > > the 
> > > > >  new campus—and continue to build until we have proper housing 
> > for 
> > > > > 1,000  Vedic Pandits.  Therefore, now is the time for all of 
> > you who 
> > > > > have who so kindly  pledged to support the Vedic Pandits when 
> > they 
> > > > > arrive to quickly fulfill  your commitment.
> > > > 
> > > > So this is a--gasp--plug for $$?  Who would have thought.
> > > > 
> > > > Sal
> > > >
> > > 
> > > It doesn't seem to be an new plug for $.   Given that people were
> > > smart enough to pledge money WHEN the pundits arrived, and not give
> > > outright, it seems reasonable that once the pundits DO arrive that
> > > people honor their pledges. 
> > > 
> > > But for any future TMO projects, it seems cleaner for donors to 
> > set up
> > > their own foundation, with their own board, and own transparent
> > > accounting, raise funds, and give piece meal to projects when and 
> > if
> > > each milestone is completed. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sadly, that's probably the only way to do it.
> > 
> > I say sadly because having each major donor set up their own 
> > foundations and own accounting is very inefficient and an 
> > unnecessarily repeating of expensive activities that otherwise could 
> > be done just once.
> 
> Well, for large donors 2-5 mill plus, its not a big deal. 
> 
> But I am suggesting something else -- one foundation collectively
> build and managed by small donors. A foundation for all FF donations
> for example.
>

To quote Peter: CHRIST on a Crutch! 

Why not just run the existing or even a new organization right - open,
transparent, you know, a non-profit educational organization with only
a couple of people who need Mercedes (VBG), and no crowns.
Let's call it the Spiritual Regeneration Movement - that has a nice
ring to it. :-)

JohnY  

 




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[FairfieldLife] Krishna said: "Of the PA amp systems, I am Bose"

2006-10-13 Thread curtisdeltablues
For all musicians: I just got this Bose PA
system:http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=/musicians/index.jsp&ck=0

Off the charts.  Fantastic sound though the whole room.  Email me if
you want more details.  I am blown away.  Hare Krishna





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > >  However, we must immediately cover the start-up costs of 
> building
> > the 
> > > >  new campus—and continue to build until we have proper housing 
> for 
> > > > 1,000  Vedic Pandits.  Therefore, now is the time for all of 
> you who 
> > > > have who so kindly  pledged to support the Vedic Pandits when 
> they 
> > > > arrive to quickly fulfill  your commitment.
> > > 
> > > So this is a--gasp--plug for $$?  Who would have thought.
> > > 
> > > Sal
> > >
> > 
> > It doesn't seem to be an new plug for $.   Given that people were
> > smart enough to pledge money WHEN the pundits arrived, and not give
> > outright, it seems reasonable that once the pundits DO arrive that
> > people honor their pledges. 
> > 
> > But for any future TMO projects, it seems cleaner for donors to 
> set up
> > their own foundation, with their own board, and own transparent
> > accounting, raise funds, and give piece meal to projects when and 
> if
> > each milestone is completed. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sadly, that's probably the only way to do it.
> 
> I say sadly because having each major donor set up their own 
> foundations and own accounting is very inefficient and an 
> unnecessarily repeating of expensive activities that otherwise could 
> be done just once.

Well, for large donors 2-5 mill plus, its not a big deal. 

But I am suggesting something else -- one foundation collectively
build and managed by small donors. A foundation for all FF donations
for example. 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum

2006-10-13 Thread curtisdeltablues
This same shit happens on campuses when kids shut down a speaker
because they don't agree with the position.  It never feels right to
me as a tactic, even when I agree with the cause.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03  wrote:
> > >
> > > Pilot program for TM into a California high school, sponsored by 
> > Lynch:
> > > 
> > > http://www.marinij.com/ci_4486015
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Of course.
> > 
> > This is going to happen everywhere the TMO tries to implement TM into 
> > schools.
> > 
> > Why waste time and money trying?
> >
> 
> Well its sad when a few adults acting like 3 year olds are able to
> shut down a meeting.  That does not necessarily mean that the school
> district will aquiese to be puppets of three-year olds. It will be
> interesting to see how this unfolds.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about Bevan's pundit housing claims

2006-10-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> >
> > Bevan says:
> > 
> > "As you know, the Vastu campus previously constructed in Maharishi 
> > Vedic  City by Raja Wynne and Maureen is now completely occupied 
> by 
> > participants  in the Mother Divine program."
> > 
> > In what way would the 100 ladies of the MD program be completely 
> > occupying a campus built for 500 pundits? They should build a 
> facility 
> > that fits the size of the MD group, move them out, and move the 
> first 
> > 500 pundits into the facility built for them. Assuming, of course, 
> that 
> > the pundits actually did get their visas (two weeks after we heard 
> that 
> > the Rajas' trip to India to get permission for 2000 pundits was 
> denied).
> 
> 
> Yeah, and uprooting 100 or 500 or 1,000 people on an instant's 
> notice and moving them to some other locale is in fine TMO 
> tradition, so that shouldn't be a barrier to the women moving either.


Cultures Flexibility! :)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: pundits

2006-10-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> apparently bevan has told the course that pundits are now receiving
> visas and should start arriving in ffld in a week or so.
> 
> the tmo is hoping to get some of the unused FEMA trailers for them to
> live in -- FEMA bought 11,000 3-bedroom trailers for the homeless
> victims of katrina, but due to incompetence they have been sitting
> empty in an arkansas pasture all this time.  now the bush admin. is
> offering them for free to non profits and faith-based groups.  I
> suggest that these pundits start praising the lord instead of chanting
> sanskrit if they want a trailer to live in.

Om, Hallalula! Om.
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum

2006-10-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03  wrote:
> > >
> > > Pilot program for TM into a California high school, sponsored 
by 
> > Lynch:
> > > 
> > > http://www.marinij.com/ci_4486015
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Of course.
> > 
> > This is going to happen everywhere the TMO tries to implement TM 
into 
> > schools.
> > 
> > Why waste time and money trying?
> >
> 
> Well its sad when a few adults acting like 3 year olds are able to
> shut down a meeting.  That does not necessarily mean that the 
school
> district will aquiese to be puppets of three-year olds. It will be
> interesting to see how this unfolds.
>

I find it all rather boring.  Smiling TMers giving presentations on 
TM. Yawn.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Wesely Clark bombshell

2006-10-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > [Saddam] was a man who had already invaded the 
> > > Kurds, Kuwait and Iran.  Millions had already died.
> > 
> > > 
> > > No one wanted to act; Bush acted.
> > 
> > Even using the (most likely wildly inflated) estimate
> > of 2 million for deaths caused by Saddam, and a more
> > conservative 350,000 of those dying as a result of the
> > Iraq war than the latest Lancet estimate, Saddam comes
> > out looking like less of a monster than Bush in terms
> > of deaths per year.
> > 
> > 2,000,000 / 24 (years of Saddam's rule) =  83,000
> > 350,000 / 3 (years of Bush's war)   = 116,000
> > 
> > See a thoughtful analysis at Billmon's blog,
> > noting the above and examining other ways of
> > measuring the kill rate in Iraq:
> > http://billmon.org/archives/002822.html
> >
> 
> 
> Now, Judy, I'd like you to do the same comparison between how many 
> died on average for each of the 5 years of the U.S. Civil War and 
> how many African-Americans died during slavery for the years prior 
> to the Civil War.
>
i posted on part of this a bit ago, having dug the info to address
questions I had. 

As I recall, the civil war was by far the bloodiest US conflict, and
there was about one civil war death for every 2 slaves. And the war
was not pursued in the beginning to free the slaves. Lincoln
campaigned against such in 1860 as ui recall. And did not add the
emancipation theme until his 1864 inagural. Seen more as a ploy to
keep Europeans form ading the South than to actually free slaves. And 
And the Emancipation Proc did not free existing northern slaves, only
southern ones. Quite the hypocracy. 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread curtisdeltablues
"CHRIST ON A CRUTCH DOES IT NEVER F*CKING END???
THE BALLS ON THESE PEOPLE!!! THEY SHOULD ALL BURN IN
HELL. F*CKING ASSHOLES!!!"


Gave me a big laugh.  Sometimes capitals are warranted.



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> 
> 
> --- Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Oct 13, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > 
> > > IMPORTANT CONFERENCE CALL
> > >
> > > About the Arrival of the Vedic Pandits
> > >
> > > SATURDAY, OCTOBER 14
> > >
> > > 9:00 pm EDT • 8:00 pm CDT • 9:00 pm MDT • 8:00 pm
> > PDT
> > >  Live on MOU  or via conference call
> > 
> > I can't wait.
> > 
> > Actually, I do plan on trying to watch at least some
> > of it, as much as 
> > I can stand.  Should be fun to try and see Bevan
> > spin with a straight 
> > face.
> > >
> > > To join the conference call, telephone:
> > 512-225-3019—
> > >  and then  enter the code 60345#
> > >
> > > His Excellency Dr. John Hagelin;
> > >  Dr. Robert Wynne, Raja of Vedic  America;
> > >  His Excellency Dr. Bevan Morris
> > 
> > Anybody know the difference between a Raja and an
> > Excellency? Curious 
> > minds and all that.
> > >
> > >  Dear Vedic Pandit Benefactor
> > 
> > Uh, oh...
> > 
> > > Fantastic news!
> > 
> > Uh oh again.
> > 
> > 
> > (huge trim here)
> > 
> > >  However, we must immediately cover the start-up
> > costs of building the 
> > >  new campus—and continue to build until we have
> > proper housing for 
> > > 1,000  Vedic Pandits.  Therefore, now is the time
> > for all of you who 
> > > have who so kindly  pledged to support the Vedic
> > Pandits when they 
> > > arrive to quickly fulfill  your commitment.
> > 
> > So this is a--gasp--plug for $$?  Who would have
> > thought.
> > 
> > Sal
> 
> CHRIST ON A CRUTCH DOES IT NEVER F*CKING END???
> THE BALLS ON THESE PEOPLE!!! THEY SHOULD ALL BURN IN
> HELL. F*CKING ASSHOLES!!!
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman

2006-10-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> > NM: So your wholeness is on yet complete. Not the BHoC which to me is
> > > Brahman. So we use terms differently. No foul, no penalty. But
> > > possibly it would be good if we define our terms when used in
> > > non-standard ways. :)
>  
> This reminded me -- in the past I believe you have averred that MMY 
> would not appreciate that we are not using his terms to describe our 
> experience/understandings -- even THAT has changed! 

>Word is he now 
> wants us to report everything in our own words -- and why not? How 
> *else* is One going to enjoy the subtle nuances of the buffet? :-)

Two different things, IMO. The latter is always what I have supported
as a good thing. 

On the othr hand, using MMY's terms, without clarifiction, to describe
something else, has always appeared to me to be rude, if not
deceitful. I would be surprised if MMY is really saying, "sure, use my
terminology, amongst TMers, and let them assume you mean what "I" mean
by the word, but while you (speaker) mean something else -- all of
this will be good". 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about Bevan's pundit housing claims

2006-10-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 10/13/06 4:25 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Bevan says:
> > 
> > "As you know, the Vastu campus previously constructed in Maharishi
> > Vedic  City by Raja Wynne and Maureen is now completely occupied by
> > participants  in the Mother Divine program."
> > 
> > In what way would the 100 ladies of the MD program be completely
> > occupying a campus built for 500 pundits?
> > 
> Because MD ladies don¹t want to be packed in like sardines the way 
the
> pundits would have been.
>

Well, then, the precious princesses should each get their own 2,000 
sq. ft. Vastu palace...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum

2006-10-13 Thread new . morning
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> Pilot program for TM into a California high school, sponsored by Lynch:
> 
> http://www.marinij.com/ci_4486015
>


Wow. When adults act like 3 year olds! 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum

2006-10-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03  wrote:
> >
> > Pilot program for TM into a California high school, sponsored by 
> Lynch:
> > 
> > http://www.marinij.com/ci_4486015
> >
> 
> 
> Of course.
> 
> This is going to happen everywhere the TMO tries to implement TM into 
> schools.
> 
> Why waste time and money trying?
>

Well its sad when a few adults acting like 3 year olds are able to
shut down a meeting.  That does not necessarily mean that the school
district will aquiese to be puppets of three-year olds. It will be
interesting to see how this unfolds. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Those 600,000 dead

2006-10-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Note that this rightwing nut provides zero
> > > reason to think the Lancet's figure is
> > > inaccurate.
> > > 
> > > There are lots of other rightwing nuts who
> > > are claiming the figure cannot be accurate.
> > > 
> > > For a definitive refutation by Brit Daniel
> > > Davies in the Guardian of this approach,
> > > see:
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/yzhaa8
> > > 
> > > Davies makes the point that the Lancet study's
> > > importance is not so much a matter of numbers of
> > > dead, but rather as a measure of whether the
> > > situation in Iraq is now better or worse than it
> > > was before the invasion.
> > > 
> > > Ignorant rightwingers like Shemp have been
> > > insisting that no matter how bad the conditions
> > > are in Iraq these days, they were worse under
> > > Saddam because Saddam killed so many people.
> > > 
> > > That excuse is now down the toilet.
> > > 
> > > The rightwing nuts, including Shemp, will scream
> > > that to say the situation is now much worse is
> > > equivalent to saying we should have left Saddam
> > > in power.
> > > 
> > > That, of course, is an absurd thought-stopper,
> > > and anyone who tries to use it has destroyed
> > > his/her credibility.
> > 
> > My only reply to Judy is contained in the question I asked her --
 
> > and she ignored -- regarding the U.S. Civil War and slavery:
> 
> In other words, Shemp has no answer.  The Civil War
> and slavery are supremely irrelevant.


To you, because you have absolutely no concept of freedom.


> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/118216
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Pinning Civilian Deaths on the Great Satan  
> > > > By Mark D. Tooley
> > > > FrontPageMagazine.com | October 13, 2006
> > >
> >
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum

2006-10-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest"
>  wrote:
> >
> > > bob brigante wrote:
> > > 
> > > ... teach TM to parents, who can then get their kids to start.
> > > Ignorant parents naturally tend to circle the wagons
> > > when they think their kids are in danger from some foreign 
element,
> > > and there is no sense trying to fight that...
> > 
> > except that in this case, the alarmed parent already
> > had been part of the TM Org, and she spoke with that 
> > authority of negative personal experience.
> > 
> > i bet there are alot of disappointed ex-TMO parents
> > out there ... as demonstrated by the extreme lack of
> > response to the "urgent need" to come to fairfield now.
> >
> 
> What can you expect with Rajas, Vedic America and crowns. 
> It screams of a lack of cultural integrity. These things will be
> brought up everytime TM is brought up in a public setting.
> 
> JohnY
>


Of course...that's why it's all a non-starter.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about Bevan's pundit housing claims

2006-10-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > on 10/13/06 4:25 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Bevan says:
> > > 
> > > "As you know, the Vastu campus previously constructed in 
Maharishi
> > > Vedic  City by Raja Wynne and Maureen is now completely 
occupied by
> > > participants  in the Mother Divine program."
> > > 
> > > In what way would the 100 ladies of the MD program be 
completely
> > > occupying a campus built for 500 pundits?
> > > 
> 
> 
> > Because MD ladies don¹t want to be packed in like sardines the 
way the
> > pundits would have been.
> >
> 
> ***
> 
> Well, the point is, if you are going to build some new housing in 
VC, 
> then the obvious first step would be to first build housing 
designed to 
> put the 100 MD members into single rooms, which would instantly 
give 
> you 500 rooms for pundits when the MD moves out (and it's just 
> absolutely ridiculous to talk about MD being "disturbed" by having 
to 
> make the short move to new housing in VC -- they seem to have 
survived 
> the move from Boone in good order). Since the housing that MD 
occupies 
> was built for the pundits, if the pundits are indeed coming, then 
why 
> aren't they going into the housing they were designed for? It's 
just a 
> waste, since the pundit housing cost about two million and change, 
but 
> housing the 100 MD in manufactured boxes should only cost about a 
> million.
> 
> It may be that they don't want to solicit funds to build for MD 
because 
> they are less popular than the pundits, but whatever the 
reasoning, 
> it's horseshit not to use available housing that will hold 500 
pundits.
>


Maybe the MD ladies should get into stripping...since male TMers 
from India seem to want to go to strip bars alot, the voyage to VC 
will be one-stop shopping.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about Bevan's pundit housing claims

2006-10-13 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 10/13/06 4:25 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Bevan says:
> > 
> > "As you know, the Vastu campus previously constructed in Maharishi
> > Vedic  City by Raja Wynne and Maureen is now completely occupied by
> > participants  in the Mother Divine program."
> > 
> > In what way would the 100 ladies of the MD program be completely
> > occupying a campus built for 500 pundits?
> > 


> Because MD ladies don¹t want to be packed in like sardines the way the
> pundits would have been.
>

***

Well, the point is, if you are going to build some new housing in VC, 
then the obvious first step would be to first build housing designed to 
put the 100 MD members into single rooms, which would instantly give 
you 500 rooms for pundits when the MD moves out (and it's just 
absolutely ridiculous to talk about MD being "disturbed" by having to 
make the short move to new housing in VC -- they seem to have survived 
the move from Boone in good order). Since the housing that MD occupies 
was built for the pundits, if the pundits are indeed coming, then why 
aren't they going into the housing they were designed for? It's just a 
waste, since the pundit housing cost about two million and change, but 
housing the 100 MD in manufactured boxes should only cost about a 
million.

It may be that they don't want to solicit funds to build for MD because 
they are less popular than the pundits, but whatever the reasoning, 
it's horseshit not to use available housing that will hold 500 pundits.





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[FairfieldLife] Scandal hits Gangaji

2006-10-13 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Regarding those who she has awakened. I have one friend who went up to
ask her a question when she was in FF and the only way he knows her
answer was to watch the video. He said he felt himself fall all the
way into the self of silence and that has not changed in over 10
years. He knows who he is. I have a 20 minute video clip of Nick Wolfe
the former TM Sidhis administrator very elequently explaining his
30+year quest as a seeker and then being a finder in her presence. It
is very moving as he explains it very clearly. There is also a very
young 20ish female from FF who showed up at a Satsang in CA who
relates her awakening as Delightful Confusion. The video is very
refreshing as she recounts her time as a seeker born in FF to parents
who were seekers and her ultimate decision to chuck it all. Gangaji
explained to the audience that the girls words of Delightful Confusion
was the best description of awakening she had ever heard. Delightful
as it was extremely so and Confusion because the mind was never going
to get it. Many of the folks who appear on the videos turn out to be
old TMers who finally meet up with the person who can provide the
understanding that has been missing. Enjoy Tom T




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Something fishy about Bevan's pundit housing claims

2006-10-13 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Something fishy about Bevan's pundit housing claims





on 10/13/06 4:25 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Bevan says:

"As you know, the Vastu campus previously constructed in Maharishi 
Vedic  City by Raja Wynne and Maureen is now completely occupied by 
participants  in the Mother Divine program."

In what way would the 100 ladies of the MD program be completely 
occupying a campus built for 500 pundits? 

Because MD ladies don’t want to be packed in like sardines the way the pundits would have been.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum

2006-10-13 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > bob brigante wrote:
> > 
> > ... teach TM to parents, who can then get their kids to start.
> > Ignorant parents naturally tend to circle the wagons
> > when they think their kids are in danger from some foreign element,
> > and there is no sense trying to fight that...
> 
> except that in this case, the alarmed parent already
> had been part of the TM Org, and she spoke with that 
> authority of negative personal experience.
> 
> i bet there are alot of disappointed ex-TMO parents
> out there ... as demonstrated by the extreme lack of
> response to the "urgent need" to come to fairfield now.
>

That is the backlash that happens when peoples' spiritual aspirations
are subverted  for other purposes. 

JohnY 


   




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum

2006-10-13 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > bob brigante wrote:
> > 
> > ... teach TM to parents, who can then get their kids to start.
> > Ignorant parents naturally tend to circle the wagons
> > when they think their kids are in danger from some foreign 
element,
> > and there is no sense trying to fight that...
>

 
> except that in this case, the alarmed parent already
> had been part of the TM Org, and she spoke with that 
> authority of negative personal experience.
> 

*

It's Standard Operating Procedure for hysterical evangelicals to 
claim that they did TM for years before they came to their senses ( 
http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/201.html ), and it's almost 
always a bullshit claim by people who will say anything to scare 
people away from TM and into the fundie camp. Anyway, it makes no 
difference what one person has to offer by way of anecdote -- that's 
why they do scientific studies, and TM has that all wrapped up.


> i bet there are alot of disappointed ex-TMO parents
> out there ... as demonstrated by the extreme lack of
> response to the "urgent need" to come to fairfield now.
>

Well, it's just impossible for most people to drop everything and 
come to Fairfield, especially since the flimsy help of $600 a month 
is riddled with conditions, and likely to disappear completely in a 
short time, as with the $4K/month support for recertified TM 
teachers. I do think a lot of baby boomers will move to FF in 2008, 
when they first start to turn 62 and cash their Social Security 
checks. I'll be one of them, although I am certainly not counting on 
any goodwill from the TMO, but will do it because I have better 
experiences in TM in FF (those rents look real nice and low compared 
with So. Calif, a good thing for somebody trying to live on a Social 
Sec. check), without being on campus.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum

2006-10-13 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > bob brigante wrote:
> > 
> > ... teach TM to parents, who can then get their kids to start.
> > Ignorant parents naturally tend to circle the wagons
> > when they think their kids are in danger from some foreign element,
> > and there is no sense trying to fight that...
> 
> except that in this case, the alarmed parent already
> had been part of the TM Org, and she spoke with that 
> authority of negative personal experience.
> 
> i bet there are alot of disappointed ex-TMO parents
> out there ... as demonstrated by the extreme lack of
> response to the "urgent need" to come to fairfield now.
>

What can you expect with Rajas, Vedic America and crowns. 
It screams of a lack of cultural integrity. These things will be
brought up everytime TM is brought up in a public setting.

JohnY





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum

2006-10-13 Thread george_deforest
> bob brigante wrote:
> 
> ... teach TM to parents, who can then get their kids to start.
> Ignorant parents naturally tend to circle the wagons
> when they think their kids are in danger from some foreign element,
> and there is no sense trying to fight that...

except that in this case, the alarmed parent already
had been part of the TM Org, and she spoke with that 
authority of negative personal experience.

i bet there are alot of disappointed ex-TMO parents
out there ... as demonstrated by the extreme lack of
response to the "urgent need" to come to fairfield now.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum

2006-10-13 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03  wrote:
> >
> > Pilot program for TM into a California high school, sponsored by 
> Lynch:
> > 
> > http://www.marinij.com/ci_4486015
> >
> 
> 


> Of course.
> 
> This is going to happen everywhere the TMO tries to implement TM into 
> schools.
> 
> Why waste time and money trying?
>

***

It's not only a waste of time and money, but if it ends up in the 
courts, it will only tend to reinforce the TM-as-religion issue, which 
does not need to be highlighted. It would be a lot smarter to leave 
school kids alone, except for private schools and charter schools where 
schools can do as they please, and teach TM to parents, who can then 
get their kids to start. Ignorant parents naturally tend to circle the 
wagons when they think their kids are in danger from some foreign 
element, and there is no sense trying to fight that.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Those 600,000 dead

2006-10-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Note that this rightwing nut provides zero
> > reason to think the Lancet's figure is
> > inaccurate.
> > 
> > There are lots of other rightwing nuts who
> > are claiming the figure cannot be accurate.
> > 
> > For a definitive refutation by Brit Daniel
> > Davies in the Guardian of this approach,
> > see:
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/yzhaa8
> > 
> > Davies makes the point that the Lancet study's
> > importance is not so much a matter of numbers of
> > dead, but rather as a measure of whether the
> > situation in Iraq is now better or worse than it
> > was before the invasion.
> > 
> > Ignorant rightwingers like Shemp have been
> > insisting that no matter how bad the conditions
> > are in Iraq these days, they were worse under
> > Saddam because Saddam killed so many people.
> > 
> > That excuse is now down the toilet.
> > 
> > The rightwing nuts, including Shemp, will scream
> > that to say the situation is now much worse is
> > equivalent to saying we should have left Saddam
> > in power.
> > 
> > That, of course, is an absurd thought-stopper,
> > and anyone who tries to use it has destroyed
> > his/her credibility.
> 
> My only reply to Judy is contained in the question I asked her -- 
> and she ignored -- regarding the U.S. Civil War and slavery:

In other words, Shemp has no answer.  The Civil War
and slavery are supremely irrelevant.



> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/118216
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Pinning Civilian Deaths on the Great Satan  
> > > By Mark D. Tooley
> > > FrontPageMagazine.com | October 13, 2006
> >
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Those 600,000 dead

2006-10-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Note that this rightwing nut provides zero
> reason to think the Lancet's figure is
> inaccurate.
> 
> There are lots of other rightwing nuts who
> are claiming the figure cannot be accurate.
> 
> For a definitive refutation by Brit Daniel
> Davies in the Guardian of this approach,
> see:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/yzhaa8
> 
> Davies makes the point that the Lancet study's
> importance is not so much a matter of numbers of
> dead, but rather as a measure of whether the
> situation in Iraq is now better or worse than it
> was before the invasion.
> 
> Ignorant rightwingers like Shemp have been
> insisting that no matter how bad the conditions
> are in Iraq these days, they were worse under
> Saddam because Saddam killed so many people.
> 
> That excuse is now down the toilet.
> 
> The rightwing nuts, including Shemp, will scream
> that to say the situation is now much worse is
> equivalent to saying we should have left Saddam
> in power.
> 
> That, of course, is an absurd thought-stopper,
> and anyone who tries to use it has destroyed
> his/her credibility.


My only reply to Judy is contained in the question I asked her -- 
and she ignored -- regarding the U.S. Civil War and slavery:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/118216



> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Pinning Civilian Deaths on the Great Satan  
> > By Mark D. Tooley
> > FrontPageMagazine.com | October 13, 2006
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum

2006-10-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Pilot program for TM into a California high school, sponsored by 
Lynch:
> 
> http://www.marinij.com/ci_4486015
>


Of course.

This is going to happen everywhere the TMO tries to implement TM into 
schools.

Why waste time and money trying?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: "I used to think that God is truth now I realize that truth is God." M.G. (p)

2006-10-13 Thread larry.potter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" 
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>
> "Water is set in 1938, when India was still under the colonial 
rule 
> of the British, and when the marriage of children to older men was 
> commonplace. When a man died, his widow would be forced to spend 
the 
> rest of her life in a widow's ashram, an institution for widows to 
> make amends for the sins from her previous life that supposedly 
> caused her husband's death."
> 
> are you familiar with Deepa Mehta's films? 
> 
> I saw Water yesterday and it's lovely but makes you uncomfortable 
at 
> the same time.  Amazing to think that such a concept would be part 
> of any society. 
> 
> if you like to see it with fresh eyes you might want to skip 
reading 
> the full synopsis, 
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_(film)
>

reposting the link above:

http://tinyurl.com/ye3coa






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[FairfieldLife] "I used to think that God is truth now I realize that truth is God." M.G. (p)

2006-10-13 Thread larry.potter
"Water is set in 1938, when India was still under the colonial rule 
of the British, and when the marriage of children to older men was 
commonplace. When a man died, his widow would be forced to spend the 
rest of her life in a widow's ashram, an institution for widows to 
make amends for the sins from her previous life that supposedly 
caused her husband's death."

are you familiar with Deepa Mehta's films? 

I saw Water yesterday and it's lovely but makes you uncomfortable at 
the same time.  Amazing to think that such a concept would be part 
of any society. 

if you like to see it with fresh eyes you might want to skip reading 
the full synopsis, 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_(film)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Those 600,000 dead

2006-10-13 Thread authfriend
Note that this rightwing nut provides zero
reason to think the Lancet's figure is
inaccurate.

There are lots of other rightwing nuts who
are claiming the figure cannot be accurate.

For a definitive refutation by Brit Daniel
Davies in the Guardian of this approach,
see:

http://tinyurl.com/yzhaa8

Davies makes the point that the Lancet study's
importance is not so much a matter of numbers of
dead, but rather as a measure of whether the
situation in Iraq is now better or worse than it
was before the invasion.

Ignorant rightwingers like Shemp have been
insisting that no matter how bad the conditions
are in Iraq these days, they were worse under
Saddam because Saddam killed so many people.

That excuse is now down the toilet.

The rightwing nuts, including Shemp, will scream
that to say the situation is now much worse is
equivalent to saying we should have left Saddam
in power.

That, of course, is an absurd thought-stopper,
and anyone who tries to use it has destroyed
his/her credibility.


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>
> Pinning Civilian Deaths on the Great Satan  
> By Mark D. Tooley
> FrontPageMagazine.com | October 13, 2006





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kudos to the Nobel Committee: my faith is renewed!

2006-10-13 Thread larry.potter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> 
> > > When your loan has been paid back (usually in 6 to 12
> > > months), you can get your money back (you don't get any
> > > interest) or loan it to another business.  Kiva's loan
> > > repayment rate is currently 100%.
> > > 
> > > Here's Kiva's FAQ, which gives details of how it works:
> > > 
> > > http://www.kiva.org/app.php?page=about&action=faq
> > 
> > Gosh, what a fabulous idea all around.
> 
> What I like is that you can recycle the money you
> send Kiva as many times as you want.  Most donations
> you make, once you give the money, it's gone.  This
> *feels* more productive, somehow.
>

yes, it does feels more productive and it would be interesting 
to follow up with the business and see how they are doing ..







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for Shemp

2006-10-13 Thread Bhairitu
shempmcgurk wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> http://rense.com/general73/confess.htm
>>
>> 
>
> Yawn.
>
> Not worth the calories my neurons would have consumed reading past the 
> first two paragraphs.
>
> But I am guessing that you, Bhairitu, actually took the time out of 
> your other life pursuits to read the entire thing...
Hypoglycemic?  Sure it was a hoot to read right down to the end.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> 
> On Oct 13, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Peter wrote:
> 
> > CHRIST ON A CRUTCH DOES IT NEVER F*CKING END???
> > THE BALLS ON THESE PEOPLE!!! THEY SHOULD ALL BURN IN
> > HELL. F*CKING ASSHOLES!!!
> 
> Uh, oh, Dr. Pete, look out, or New is going to start psychoanalyzing 
> you. :)
> 
> Well said and my thoughts exactly.
> 
> Sal
>
They did have to move the arrival of the pundits closer to the present
to start the pitch this time. A few might have to actually show up in
order to start building. Keep those pledges comming

JohnY




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One for Shemp

2006-10-13 Thread Bhairitu
jyouells2000 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> http://rense.com/general73/confess.htm
>>
>> 
> Fiction - hopeing to rile up slow readers I guess...
> They do tell you at the very end:
>
> " 
> Longtime Rense writer, Douglas Herman wrote the suspense novel, The
> Guns of Dallas, that features a confessed hitman revealing the perfect
> scenario for the murder of JFK.  The above scenario is fiction but
> probably far closer to the truth than anything yet offered in the
> so-called fact based media."
Why do you think I posted it for Shemp? ;-)


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about Bevan's pundit housing claims

2006-10-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
wrote:
> >
> > Bevan says:
> > 
> > "As you know, the Vastu campus previously constructed in 
Maharishi 
> > Vedic  City by Raja Wynne and Maureen is now completely occupied 
by 
> > participants  in the Mother Divine program."
> > 
> > In what way would the 100 ladies of the MD program be completely 
> > occupying a campus built for 500 pundits? They should build a 
facility 
> > that fits the size of the MD group, move them out, and move the 
first 
> > 500 pundits into the facility built for them. Assuming, of 
course, that 
> > the pundits actually did get their visas (two weeks after we 
heard that 
> > the Rajas' trip to India to get permission for 2000 pundits was 
denied).
> >
> The 100 ladies have gotten really BIG?
>
Um, would you mind ah shifting over on that sofa, please? I've 
really MUST rest my Expanded Awareness...





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[FairfieldLife] TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum

2006-10-13 Thread gimari03
Pilot program for TM into a California high school, sponsored by Lynch:

http://www.marinij.com/ci_4486015




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unlikely job prospects for siddha scholarship recipients

2006-10-13 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Invincible America web site says that:
> > > > 
> > > > "How long will the grants support last for each person?
> > > > We envision that people will be trained for jobs that will 
> enable 
> > them 
> > > > to support themselves with just 2 hours/day of work. Once one 
> > reaches 
> > > > this level, then the $600/month will no longer be necessary 
> and 
> > can be 
> > > > used to support someone else."
> > > > *
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > > To learn enough computer programming to be able to do this 
> would 
> > take 
> > > > what, a couple years of study?
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > > A $10 an hour job will take two years of study? I would hope 
most
> > > sidhas would be competent of earning $10 hr, pretty soon now.
> > > 
> > 
> > **
> > 
> > Well, I would presume they are not going to work seven days a 
> week, 
> > so two hours a day for five days means $15 or more dollars an 
> hour, >>>
> 



> No , that is what Bevan means when he says 2 hours a day. He means 
7 
> days a week. That is how it works with Maharishi. Maharishi does 
not 
> believe in days off, but he does expect only 2 or 3 hours a day.
> 
> So it will be 2+ hours a day 7 days a week (with a few hours added 
> onjust for laughs ) and you get 16 or 17 hours a week. Which is 
> a program that has been in place at MUM for decades -- the 18 hour 
a 
> week program. Room, food,  and board I believe.
> 
> I think you are right about the retirees, I already heard a few who 
> are thinking about giving up their jobs and doing it.
> 
> OffWorld
>

***

What MUM is talking about is not having the scholarship recipients 
work for MUM for two hours a day, but to take some classes which 
would enable the program participants to go out and get their own 
jobs not on the MUM payroll, most of which would be programming, I 
assume, and earn their own paycheck so that they could eventually 
wean themselves off of the $600/month stipend:

http://invincibleamerica.org/faq.html#job




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[FairfieldLife] Re: You got the disclaimer in the first five minutes!

2006-10-13 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > He passed away last year if his name begins with S.  Great family.
> > > 
> > I'm sorry to hear that. He was always kind to me.
> 
> Well who was it for christsakes?
> 
> lurk
>

Nothing hidden, Lurk (that's funny:). Just a personal friend. I just
don't want to put their name on a public list. Curtis knows them too,
that's all... For the same reason that you post as LurkerNoMore...

JohnY






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[FairfieldLife] The organic myth

2006-10-13 Thread bob_brigante
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_42/b4005001.htm


Pastoral ideals are getting trampled as organic food goes mass market 

"Next time you're in the supermarket, stop and take a look at 
Stonyfield Farm yogurt. With its contented cow and green fields, the 
yellow container evokes a bucolic existence, telegraphing what we've 
come to expect from organic food: pure, pesticide-free, locally 
produced ingredients grown on a small family farm.

So it may come as a surprise that Stonyfield's organic farm is long 
gone. Its main facility is a state-of-the-art industrial plant just 
off the airport strip in Londonderry, N.H., where it handles milk 
from other farms. And consider this: Sometime soon a portion of the 
milk used to make that organic yogurt may be taken from a chemical-
free cow in New Zealand, powdered, and then shipped to the U.S. True, 
Stonyfield still cleaves to its organic heritage. For Chairman and 
CEO Gary Hirshberg, though, shipping milk powder 9,000 miles across 
the planet is the price you pay to conquer the supermarket dairy 
aisle. "It would be great to get all of our food within a 10-mile 
radius of our house," he says. "But once you're in organic, you have 
to source globally." 

(more at link)




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about Bevan's pundit housing claims

2006-10-13 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 10/13/06 5:00:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yeah, 
  and uprooting 100 or 500 or 1,000 people on an instant's notice and moving 
  them to some other locale is in fine TMO tradition, so that shouldn't be a 
  barrier to the women moving either.

Yes but the MD's are super refined Muthas and could die if they are upset 
too much.
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[FairfieldLife] Those 600,000 dead

2006-10-13 Thread shempmcgurk
Pinning Civilian Deaths on the Great Satan  
By Mark D. Tooley
FrontPageMagazine.com | October 13, 2006

A British medical journal is once again inflating the number of 
Iraqis killed during the U.S.-led liberation of that country -- and 
pillars of the Religious Left have welcomed the chance to demonize 
the United States. The Lancet, is claiming that the freeing of Iraq 
has caused more than 600,000 deaths. The study interviewed 1,849 
families and found that 547 people died in the post-invasion period, 
whereas these families remembered only 82 dying during a similar 
period before the invasion. From these 465 additional deaths, the 
study confidently extrapolated that 654,965 civilians have died from 
Operation Iraqi Freedom.

As one blogger points out, the study claims that more Iraqi 
civilians have been killed over the last three years than were 
German civilians killed during five years of intense Allied bombing 
during World War II.

That is a remarkable claim indeed, but one eagerly embraced by 
Religious Left activists Jim Wallis of Sojourners and Bob Edgar of 
the National Council of Churches, who are eager for macabre new 
grist for their antiwar, anti-American tirades.

"From now on, any political debate on Iraq must start here and be 
disciplined by these FACTS," Wallis asserts. "Not by politics, not 
by arguments, not by visions of democracy in the Middle East, but by 
the deaths caused to so many of God's children."

Edgar sounded a similar note of confidence about the study's 
assertions. "When I first heard that nearly two-thirds of a million 
Iraqis have been killed I was shocked and horribly saddened," he 
said. "The perpetrators of this war can no longer tell us this 
is 'collateral damage' as they prosecute this war. They must face up 
to the widespread death and destruction that is being inflicted 
daily upon innocent men, women, and children living in a country 
that never attacked the United States." 

Even the study acknowledges that two-thirds of these supposed 
600,000-plus civilian deaths were caused by insurgents and sectarian 
violence, not by the Allied forces. At least Wallis makes reference 
to this. But naturally he and Edgar will latch onto the study as 
definitive validation of their demand for immediate U.S. military 
withdrawal from Iraq, although such a precipitous withdrawal would 
certainly increase the sectarian strife, send an invitation to 
jihadists, and result in a bloodbath as did our withdrawal from 
Vietnam (which Edgar and Wallis also supported). 

"Any politician speaking about the war should be asked how they 
intend to stop the violence and blood-letting that has overwhelmed 
that country," Wallis demands, assuming it is within the power of 
U.S. politicians to stop Sunnis and Shiites from killing each 
other. "Every candidate running for the U.S. Senate or Congress 
should be asked how they feel about the loss of all these lives and 
how they intend to stop it," Wallis further opines, without 
explaining how any member of the U.S. Congress could stop all "the 
violence" in any country.

Edgar insists that "nearly every major Christian church leader spoke 
out against this war before the invasion" because the war "did not 
remotely meet the criteria of a just war." Of course, neither Edgar 
nor Wallis have ever described what exactly would constitute a just 
war. Wallis is pacifist who believes that force is never justified, 
and Edgar, although disclaiming the label, is at least opposed to 
wars waged by the U.S. military, most especially those waged against 
Communists.

Wallis and Edgar have long experience in opposing the America at 
war. Both came of age politically by opposing the Vietnam War. Edgar 
as a young Democratic U.S. Representative from Philadelphia was even 
a member of the notorious 94th U.S. Congress, which refused to aid 
the drowning South Vietnamese in 1975 as they were overrun by North 
Vietnam's Soviet-supplied tanks. 

Like others on the anti-war Left, Wallis and Edgar saw the Vietnam 
War as purely the invention of U.S. interventionism and imperialism. 
All killed Vietnamese and U.S. servicemen were victims of U.S. 
folly. American withdrawal from Southeast Asia was the end of 
Wallis' and Edgar's interest in any killing there. The victorious 
Communists murdered millions in Cambodia, Vietnam, and Laos. 
Thousands more "boat people" would drown at sea or be killed by 
pirates as they attempted to flee from their "liberated" lands.

We will never know how many more countless deaths occurred because 
of the corruption and oppression of the Marxist police states that 
governed Cambodia for another two decades, and which still govern 
Laos and Vietnam. The sum total of human suffering caused by the 
poverty and oppression of those tyrannical regimes is incalculable. 
Southeast Asia without Communism could have replicated the 
prosperity and freedom of today's South Korea, Taiwan, or Singapore.

But old Religious Left activists lik

[FairfieldLife] Re: One for Shemp

2006-10-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://rense.com/general73/confess.htm
>

Yawn.

Not worth the calories my neurons would have consumed reading past the 
first two paragraphs.

But I am guessing that you, Bhairitu, actually took the time out of 
your other life pursuits to read the entire thing...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: One for Shemp

2006-10-13 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://rense.com/general73/confess.htm
>
Fiction - hopeing to rile up slow readers I guess...
They do tell you at the very end:

" 
Longtime Rense writer, Douglas Herman wrote the suspense novel, The
Guns of Dallas, that features a confessed hitman revealing the perfect
scenario for the murder of JFK.  The above scenario is fiction but
probably far closer to the truth than anything yet offered in the
so-called fact based media."






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: You got the disclaimer in the first five minutes!

2006-10-13 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Oct 13, 2006, at 6:19 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> He passed away last year if his name begins with S.  Great family.
>>>
>> I'm sorry to hear that. He was always kind to me.
>
> Well who was it for christsakes?

I don't get all the secrecy either.

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about Bevan's pundit housing claims

2006-10-13 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Bevan says:
> 
> "As you know, the Vastu campus previously constructed in Maharishi 
> Vedic  City by Raja Wynne and Maureen is now completely occupied by 
> participants  in the Mother Divine program."
> 
> In what way would the 100 ladies of the MD program be completely 
> occupying a campus built for 500 pundits? They should build a facility 
> that fits the size of the MD group, move them out, and move the first 
> 500 pundits into the facility built for them. Assuming, of course, that 
> the pundits actually did get their visas (two weeks after we heard that 
> the Rajas' trip to India to get permission for 2000 pundits was denied).
>
The 100 ladies have gotten really BIG? 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Oct 13, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Peter wrote:

> CHRIST ON A CRUTCH DOES IT NEVER F*CKING END???
> THE BALLS ON THESE PEOPLE!!! THEY SHOULD ALL BURN IN
> HELL. F*CKING ASSHOLES!!!

Uh, oh, Dr. Pete, look out, or New is going to start psychoanalyzing 
you. :)

Well said and my thoughts exactly.

Sal



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread Peter


--- Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Oct 13, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> > IMPORTANT CONFERENCE CALL
> >
> > About the Arrival of the Vedic Pandits
> >
> > SATURDAY, OCTOBER 14
> >
> > 9:00 pm EDT • 8:00 pm CDT • 9:00 pm MDT • 8:00 pm
> PDT
> >  Live on MOU  or via conference call
> 
> I can't wait.
> 
> Actually, I do plan on trying to watch at least some
> of it, as much as 
> I can stand.  Should be fun to try and see Bevan
> spin with a straight 
> face.
> >
> > To join the conference call, telephone:
> 512-225-3019—
> >  and then  enter the code 60345#
> >
> > His Excellency Dr. John Hagelin;
> >  Dr. Robert Wynne, Raja of Vedic  America;
> >  His Excellency Dr. Bevan Morris
> 
> Anybody know the difference between a Raja and an
> Excellency? Curious 
> minds and all that.
> >
> >  Dear Vedic Pandit Benefactor
> 
> Uh, oh...
> 
> > Fantastic news!
> 
> Uh oh again.
> 
> 
> (huge trim here)
> 
> >  However, we must immediately cover the start-up
> costs of building the 
> >  new campus—and continue to build until we have
> proper housing for 
> > 1,000  Vedic Pandits.  Therefore, now is the time
> for all of you who 
> > have who so kindly  pledged to support the Vedic
> Pandits when they 
> > arrive to quickly fulfill  your commitment.
> 
> So this is a--gasp--plug for $$?  Who would have
> thought.
> 
> Sal

CHRIST ON A CRUTCH DOES IT NEVER F*CKING END???
THE BALLS ON THESE PEOPLE!!! THEY SHOULD ALL BURN IN
HELL. F*CKING ASSHOLES!!!





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Oct 13, 2006, at 4:35 PM, new.morning wrote:

> You are saying its not worth donating to projects, via a separate
> foundation, with accountablity, with payments made after projects meet 
> milestones?

You're sharp today, New.  That's what I'm saying.
>
>> The TMO as most of us knew it is finished, New, over with.
>> Perhaps it
>> would be best to actually get a life.
>
> My why such wrath today? You tell me not to drink the Kool-aid and to 
> get a life. Next i guess next you will be calling me a TRUE BELIEVER.

(shudder)
>
> Whatever makes you happy sal. I hope what ever is irking you today 
> passes.

Ditto.

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] Re: You got the disclaimer in the first five minutes!

2006-10-13 Thread lurkernomore20002000
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
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> > He passed away last year if his name begins with S.  Great family.
> > 
> I'm sorry to hear that. He was always kind to me.

Well who was it for christsakes?

lurk
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman

2006-10-13 Thread lurkernomore20002000
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> Great post Rory, thanks.  This is why I post here, to hear where
> people are at, how they view the world these days.  Your openness in
> expressing your experiences is greatly appreciated.

snip

Good riff.  This whole give n take was quite enjoyable.  

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[FairfieldLife] 'Saint John asked to meditate on 'peace palace' plan'

2006-10-13 Thread Robert Gimbel



Saint John asked to meditate on 'peace palace' plan  Last Updated:   Friday, October 13, 2006 | 11:26 AM AT CBC NewsA group representing the guru who inspired Beatle George Harrison to play the sitar has asked Saint John city council to donate a piece of land for a "peace palace" it promises would foster harmony and relaxation in the port city.  The organization, called Global Country for World Peace, is led by Indian Transcendental Meditation (TM) advocate Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. The elderly guru, who is now reported to be living in Holland, won celebrity followers in the late 1960s and early 1970s by teaching the trademarked practice.   The group wants to build peace palaces in 3,000 of the
 world's largest cities, including 40 across Canada, at a price of $2.5 million each. One would be in Saint John, one in Moncton and one in Fredericton.  Miville Couture represents the group and says the palace would reduce crime and increase economic activity in the city. "This peace palace is for the benefit of the whole city at a time when there is more stress, more violence."  The group has written a letter requesting a meeting with city council to talk about its plans. The letter details the programs that would be offered at the peace palace, suggesting they would "create a measurable effect of peace and harmony for the whole city, which will be seen in reduced crime rates and other negative trends."   The building would also house what the group calls an "invincibility school" where up to 100 high school students would study the traditional academic curriculum and "practice technologies for the development of
 consciousness, including Transcendental Meditation.' The group says students who perform TM get better grades.Saint John council hasn't had a chance to talk about the idea, and won't be able to schedule a meeting with the Global Country for World Peace group until at least January.   The idea likely won't fly, however, given that there is some onus on the city to get fair market value for its surplus land.  One councillor, however, is supportive of the idea. Coun. Ivan Court is a retired teacher who recently attended a workshop given by Canadians
 for Stress-Free Schools, a group connected the TM movement.  He says a peace palace could help students achieve more in school. "They seem to have all kinds of research indicating that is the result of it, and there probably is some validity in that in the sense that we're in such a rush every day."   But the schools have their critics, too, among them Joe Kellett, a former TM teacher who left the movement in the 1970s and now lives in California.   "A certain amount of people will get sucked into the religious aspect of it. And the religious aspect of it would be introduced at the schools under the guise of something called the science of creative intelligence," he said.  The Global Country for World Peace preaches peace and harmony, but some say it is little more than a corporate enterprise, because it costs approximately $2,500 to enrol in the course.   This is the second attempt
 by the group to gain a foothold in Saint John. During the early 1990s, the group bought a big red mansion in the city's downtown but eventually sold it because of a lack of interest in the programs it offered.  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unlikely job prospects for siddha scholarship recipients

2006-10-13 Thread off_world_beings
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > The Invincible America web site says that:
> > > 
> > > "How long will the grants support last for each person?
> > > We envision that people will be trained for jobs that will 
enable 
> them 
> > > to support themselves with just 2 hours/day of work. Once one 
> reaches 
> > > this level, then the $600/month will no longer be necessary 
and 
> can be 
> > > used to support someone else."
> > > *
> 
> 
> 
> > > To learn enough computer programming to be able to do this 
would 
> take 
> > > what, a couple years of study?
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> > A $10 an hour job will take two years of study? I would hope most
> > sidhas would be competent of earning $10 hr, pretty soon now.
> > 
> 
> **
> 
> Well, I would presume they are not going to work seven days a 
week, 
> so two hours a day for five days means $15 or more dollars an 
hour, >>>

No , that is what Bevan means when he says 2 hours a day. He means 7 
days a week. That is how it works with Maharishi. Maharishi does not 
believe in days off, but he does expect only 2 or 3 hours a day.

So it will be 2+ hours a day 7 days a week (with a few hours added 
onjust for laughs ) and you get 16 or 17 hours a week. Which is 
a program that has been in place at MUM for decades -- the 18 hour a 
week program. Room, food,  and board I believe.

I think you are right about the retirees, I already heard a few who 
are thinking about giving up their jobs and doing it.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread Peter


--- jyouells2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning
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> > > 
> > > Well, I guess hell froze over -- and a lot of
> hard-core pessimists
> > > will have to find something else to be mad at.
> :) Perhaps it would 
> > be
> > > good to use a napkin to remove the egg from your
> faces. 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Why do I get the feeling that it would be best to
> wait until you can 
> > actually see, touch and feel actual pundits in the
> State of Iowa 
> > before you reach for that Mea Culpa towel?
> > 
> 
> Amen

Amen too and I happily look forward to lots of egg on
my face and a healthy serving of crow. A feast would
be welcome.


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Kudos to the Nobel Committee: my faith is renewed!

2006-10-13 Thread Peter


--- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A few days ago I expressed my disgust at the
> possibility that Cindy 
> Sheehan could be a winner of the Nobel Peace Prize. 
> In the process I 
> expressed my disdain at the Nobel prize committee
> for even considering 
> her and past "losers" like the Dalai Llama and Jimmy
> Carter.
> 
> Well, the just-announced winner sounds really
> terrific!  A Bangladeshi 
> business man who, through a private enterprise
> initiative, set up a 
> low-cost loan system for poor people to lift them
> out of poverty...97% 
> of whom women were the recipients.
> 
> Talk about Age of Enlightenment news.  Wonderful
> choice.

It is a brillant and well deserving choice.




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[FairfieldLife] One for Shemp

2006-10-13 Thread Bhairitu
http://rense.com/general73/confess.htm


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread jyouells2000
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> > 
> > Well, I guess hell froze over -- and a lot of hard-core pessimists
> > will have to find something else to be mad at. :) Perhaps it would 
> be
> > good to use a napkin to remove the egg from your faces. 
> > 
> 
> 
> Why do I get the feeling that it would be best to wait until you can 
> actually see, touch and feel actual pundits in the State of Iowa 
> before you reach for that Mea Culpa towel?
> 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kudos to the Nobel Committee: my faith is renewed!

2006-10-13 Thread authfriend
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> > When your loan has been paid back (usually in 6 to 12
> > months), you can get your money back (you don't get any
> > interest) or loan it to another business.  Kiva's loan
> > repayment rate is currently 100%.
> > 
> > Here's Kiva's FAQ, which gives details of how it works:
> > 
> > http://www.kiva.org/app.php?page=about&action=faq
> 
> Gosh, what a fabulous idea all around.

What I like is that you can recycle the money you
send Kiva as many times as you want.  Most donations
you make, once you give the money, it's gone.  This
*feels* more productive, somehow.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kudos to the Nobel Committee: my faith is renewed!

2006-10-13 Thread authfriend
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
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> > When your loan has been paid back (usually in 6 to 12
> > months), you can get your money back (you don't get any
> > interest) or loan it to another business.  Kiva's loan
> > repayment rate is currently 100%.
> > 
> > Here's Kiva's FAQ, which gives details of how it works:
> > 
> > http://www.kiva.org/app.php?page=about&action=faq
> 
> Gosh, what a fabulous idea all around.

What I like is that you can recycle the money you
send Kiva as many times as you want.  Most donations
you make, once you give the money, it's gone.  This
*feels* more productive, somehow.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about Bevan's pundit housing claims

2006-10-13 Thread bob_brigante
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
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> > Bevan says:
> > 
> > "As you know, the Vastu campus previously constructed in 
Maharishi 
> > Vedic  City by Raja Wynne and Maureen is now completely occupied 
> by 
> > participants  in the Mother Divine program."
> > 
> > In what way would the 100 ladies of the MD program be completely 
> > occupying a campus built for 500 pundits? They should build a 
> facility 
> > that fits the size of the MD group, move them out, and move the 
> first 
> > 500 pundits into the facility built for them. Assuming, of 
course, 
> that 
> > the pundits actually did get their visas (two weeks after we 
heard 
> that 
> > the Rajas' trip to India to get permission for 2000 pundits was 
> denied).
> 
> 


> Yeah, and uprooting 100 or 500 or 1,000 people on an instant's 
> notice and moving them to some other locale is in fine TMO 
> tradition, so that shouldn't be a barrier to the women moving 
either.
>

***

Yeah, as if moving a couple blocks within Vedic City would "disturb" 
the 100 MD participants...the usual phony Bevan blather,and totally 
impractical -- why wouldn't you use an already built facility 
designed specifically to house 500 pundits?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Something fishy about Bevan's pundit housing claims

2006-10-13 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Oct 13, 2006, at 4:25 PM, bob_brigante wrote:

> Bevan says:
>
> "As you know, the Vastu campus previously constructed in Maharishi
> Vedic  City by Raja Wynne and Maureen is now completely occupied by
> participants  in the Mother Divine program."
>
> In what way would the 100 ladies of the MD program be completely
> occupying a campus built for 500 pundits?

They need lots of room for their expanded awareness.

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about Bevan's pundit housing claims

2006-10-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> >
> > Bevan says:
> > 
> > "As you know, the Vastu campus previously constructed in 
Maharishi 
> > Vedic  City by Raja Wynne and Maureen is now completely occupied 
> by 
> > participants  in the Mother Divine program."
> > 
> > In what way would the 100 ladies of the MD program be completely 
> > occupying a campus built for 500 pundits? They should build a 
> facility 
> > that fits the size of the MD group, move them out, and move the 
> first 
> > 500 pundits into the facility built for them. Assuming, of 
course, 
> that 
> > the pundits actually did get their visas (two weeks after we 
heard 
> that 
> > the Rajas' trip to India to get permission for 2000 pundits was 
> denied).>>
> 
> I totally understand your doubts Bob. I will not be convinced 
until 
> someone verifies 50 a day arriving in North America.
> But the answer to this one is very simple. You can probably put 
more 
> than twice as many pandits in a bedroom as you can Mother Divine, 
> and they will be quite happy.
> 
> OffWorld
>

Q.  How many elephants can you fit into a Volkswagen Beetle?

A.  Two in the front and two in the back.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unlikely job prospects for siddha scholarship recipients

2006-10-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> >
> > The Invincible America web site says that:
> > 
> > "How long will the grants support last for each person?
> > We envision that people will be trained for jobs that will 
enable 
> them 
> > to support themselves with just 2 hours/day of work. Once one 
> reaches 
> > this level, then the $600/month will no longer be necessary and 
> can be 
> > used to support someone else.">>
> 
> 
> > To learn enough computer programming to be able to do this would 
> take 
> > what, a couple years of study? I see the TMO pulling support for 
> the 
> > scholarship recipients (except for the pundits, if they show up) 
> after 
> > a short while regardless of whether they are earning enough or 
not 
> > (just as they did for recerts). I do think that lots of baby 
> boomers 
> > collecting early-retirement Social Security checks at age 62 
> (which 
> > starts in 2008) will be interested in taking advantage of this 
> program, 
> > which will mean that only the pundits will need to be 
supported.>>
> 
> I agree, but think about it.   
> $500 a month, so about $125 a week. 
> So Bevan is thinking, well, once they are here they can do what 
> sidhas have done for years--- about 15 hours a week for the 
> University. That'll take care of it --- room and board, and dome 
> etc. (15-18 hours a week at 7 to 9 bucks and hour, I think that is 
> how it works-- bad deal (financially ) for the workers, good deal 
> for the university)
> 
> It will be very sad if that is the idea.
> 
> OffWorld
>
Not all that bad- when I worked for the Movement, it was for 
substandard housing, decent enough meals, and a $25 stipend per 
month, for about 50 hours of hard work per week. So things have 
improved, a lot, if you're into that sort of thing.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT

2006-10-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bhairitu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bhairitu"  
wrote:
> > 
> > I won't do email and most of my browsing anymore on buggy
> > > Windows.  
> > 
> > I used to agreee wholeheartedly that Windows was buggy, but I 
> > typically use both XP home and XP Pro every day all day, and 
they 
> > *never* crash or freeze- Of course I just run biz software on 
them and 
> > well known apps, so no processor intensive gaming or anything, 
and am 
> > religious about virus and spyware protection, but gotta say I 
can't 
> > beat the value and the stability. Any browsing issues are 
usually due 
> > to the yahoos at same.
> > 
> > PS Can't say the same about my 'bargain' Dell inspiron 1100- 
price was 
> > good, but it has major heat management issues...and the hard 
drive is 
> > way too small.
> >
> When I say buggy I am referring *not* to crashes but the 
innumerable
> fixes and updates that MS is always doing. I do assume you have 
Auto
> Update on too?  

Agreed - it is a never ending process, but painless.

And sure ever so once in a while there are Linux
> updates.  I think the problem is that MS uses *fear* tactics to get
> people to do the updates and patches.  I like to review what they 
are
> doing and the messages are a bit over the top.
> 
> I also think it is wrong to let *one* corporation run all the
> computers in the world and believe that Linux is a better choice.
> Obvisously much of the rest of the world agrees as countries adopt
> Linux for their government desktops and networking systems.
>
Yep, I agree that competition is the way to go. On the other hand I 
am really impressed with Microsoft too.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kudos to the Nobel Committee: my faith is renewed!

2006-10-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> >  wrote:
> 
> > > Well, the just-announced winner sounds really terrific!  A 
> > > Bangladeshi business man who, through a private enterprise 
> > > initiative, set up a low-cost loan system for poor people
> > > to lift them out of poverty...97% of whom women were the
> > > recipients.
> > > 
> > > Talk about Age of Enlightenment news.  Wonderful choice.
> > 
> > Wonderful indeed, i was thinking the same thing.
> 
> If you like the microloan idea, there's a terrific
> organization on the Web called Kiva to which you can loan
> money, as little as $25, to a small business; you get to
> pick the business from those listed on the site (all in
> developing countries, mostly women).
> 
> Kiva handles the loan process through local microfinance
> partners and sends you updates as the loan is repaid. You
> can also get personal reports from the business as to how
> it's doing.
> 
> When your loan has been paid back (usually in 6 to 12
> months), you can get your money back (you don't get any
> interest) or loan it to another business.  Kiva's loan
> repayment rate is currently 100%.
> 
> Here's Kiva's FAQ, which gives details of how it works:
> 
> http://www.kiva.org/app.php?page=about&action=faq
>

Gosh, what a fabulous idea all around.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about Bevan's pundit housing claims

2006-10-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Bevan says:
> 
> "As you know, the Vastu campus previously constructed in Maharishi 
> Vedic  City by Raja Wynne and Maureen is now completely occupied 
by 
> participants  in the Mother Divine program."
> 
> In what way would the 100 ladies of the MD program be completely 
> occupying a campus built for 500 pundits? They should build a 
facility 
> that fits the size of the MD group, move them out, and move the 
first 
> 500 pundits into the facility built for them. Assuming, of course, 
that 
> the pundits actually did get their visas (two weeks after we heard 
that 
> the Rajas' trip to India to get permission for 2000 pundits was 
denied).


Yeah, and uprooting 100 or 500 or 1,000 people on an instant's 
notice and moving them to some other locale is in fine TMO 
tradition, so that shouldn't be a barrier to the women moving either.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unlikely job prospects for siddha scholarship recipients

2006-10-13 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
wrote:
> >
> > The Invincible America web site says that:
> > 
> > "How long will the grants support last for each person?
> > We envision that people will be trained for jobs that will enable 
them 
> > to support themselves with just 2 hours/day of work. Once one 
reaches 
> > this level, then the $600/month will no longer be necessary and 
can be 
> > used to support someone else."
> > *



> > To learn enough computer programming to be able to do this would 
take 
> > what, a couple years of study?
> 
> 


> A $10 an hour job will take two years of study? I would hope most
> sidhas would be competent of earning $10 hr, pretty soon now.
> 

**

Well, I would presume they are not going to work seven days a week, 
so two hours a day for five days means $15 or more dollars an hour, 
and that would have to be, for most people, a new skill set, like 
computer programming, that takes substantial time to learn -- there 
is certainly no way that any large number of people are going to be 
making $15/hr in a town as small as Fairfield, and there are a 
limited number of skills that will allow people to work a couple 
hours and make $30. But, like I do think that a lot of boomers 
retiring early will take MUM up on this program, and they won't to 
work, since they will have a Social Security check -- these boomers 
and the pundits (maybe) should cover the number requirement nicely.
 




>  I see the TMO pulling support for the 
> > scholarship recipients (except for the pundits, if they show up) 
after 
> > a short while regardless of whether they are earning enough or 
not 
> > (just as they did for recerts). I do think that lots of baby 
boomers 
> > collecting early-retirement Social Security checks at age 62 
(which 
> > starts in 2008) will be interested in taking advantage of this 
program, 
> > which will mean that only the pundits will need to be supported.
> >
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unlikely job prospects for siddha scholarship recipients

2006-10-13 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> The Invincible America web site says that:
> 
> "How long will the grants support last for each person?
> We envision that people will be trained for jobs that will enable 
them 
> to support themselves with just 2 hours/day of work. Once one 
reaches 
> this level, then the $600/month will no longer be necessary and 
can be 
> used to support someone else.">>


> To learn enough computer programming to be able to do this would 
take 
> what, a couple years of study? I see the TMO pulling support for 
the 
> scholarship recipients (except for the pundits, if they show up) 
after 
> a short while regardless of whether they are earning enough or not 
> (just as they did for recerts). I do think that lots of baby 
boomers 
> collecting early-retirement Social Security checks at age 62 
(which 
> starts in 2008) will be interested in taking advantage of this 
program, 
> which will mean that only the pundits will need to be supported.>>

I agree, but think about it.   
$500 a month, so about $125 a week. 
So Bevan is thinking, well, once they are here they can do what 
sidhas have done for years--- about 15 hours a week for the 
University. That'll take care of it --- room and board, and dome 
etc. (15-18 hours a week at 7 to 9 bucks and hour, I think that is 
how it works-- bad deal (financially ) for the workers, good deal 
for the university)

It will be very sad if that is the idea.

OffWorld





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Well, I guess hell froze over -- and a lot of hard-core pessimists
> > > will have to find something else to be mad at. :) Perhaps it
would be
> > > good to use a napkin to remove the egg from your faces. 
> 
> Mad at?  Weird choice of words.  Anyway, three yrs after Hagelin said
> the pundits were already on the planes and over a year after the
> "pundits arriving immediately" posters were put up in the domes, some
> pundits may possibly be arriving soon and that's seen as normal honest
> communication that people were foolish to draw attention to?  
> 
> What I don't understand is that the pundit thing in ffld was
> completely dropped when MD arrived last winter and was just revived a
> couple weeks ago when Settle offered to pay $500/month (now
> $600/month) for 1,000 sidhas to be in the domes and MMY told the
> honchos here to get back on it, and in just a couple weeks they're
> succeeding in getting visas when they couldn't get any at all during
> several years of trying earlier.
>

More money and more real estate... Divining the real motivations is an
exercise for the reader.  

JohnY

 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> 
> > I just gave them $50, for either actually pulling it off, or for 
> > being really, really good liars...
> 
> So you win either way!
>
must be that Gemini sun sign of mine...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT

2006-10-13 Thread bhairitu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bhairitu"  wrote:
> 
> I won't do email and most of my browsing anymore on buggy
> > Windows.  
> 
> I used to agreee wholeheartedly that Windows was buggy, but I 
> typically use both XP home and XP Pro every day all day, and they 
> *never* crash or freeze- Of course I just run biz software on them and 
> well known apps, so no processor intensive gaming or anything, and am 
> religious about virus and spyware protection, but gotta say I can't 
> beat the value and the stability. Any browsing issues are usually due 
> to the yahoos at same.
> 
> PS Can't say the same about my 'bargain' Dell inspiron 1100- price was 
> good, but it has major heat management issues...and the hard drive is 
> way too small.
>
When I say buggy I am referring *not* to crashes but the innumerable
fixes and updates that MS is always doing.  I do assume you have Auto
Update on too?  And sure ever so once in a while there are Linux
updates.  I think the problem is that MS uses *fear* tactics to get
people to do the updates and patches.  I like to review what they are
doing and the messages are a bit over the top.

I also think it is wrong to let *one* corporation run all the
computers in the world and believe that Linux is a better choice.
Obvisously much of the rest of the world agrees as countries adopt
Linux for their government desktops and networking systems.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fishy about Bevan's pundit housing claims

2006-10-13 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Bevan says:
> 
> "As you know, the Vastu campus previously constructed in Maharishi 
> Vedic  City by Raja Wynne and Maureen is now completely occupied 
by 
> participants  in the Mother Divine program."
> 
> In what way would the 100 ladies of the MD program be completely 
> occupying a campus built for 500 pundits? They should build a 
facility 
> that fits the size of the MD group, move them out, and move the 
first 
> 500 pundits into the facility built for them. Assuming, of course, 
that 
> the pundits actually did get their visas (two weeks after we heard 
that 
> the Rajas' trip to India to get permission for 2000 pundits was 
denied).>>

I totally understand your doubts Bob. I will not be convinced until 
someone verifies 50 a day arriving in North America.
But the answer to this one is very simple. You can probably put more 
than twice as many pandits in a bedroom as you can Mother Divine, 
and they will be quite happy.

OffWorld





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unlikely job prospects for siddha scholarship recipients

2006-10-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The Invincible America web site says that:
> 
> "How long will the grants support last for each person?
> We envision that people will be trained for jobs that will enable them 
> to support themselves with just 2 hours/day of work. Once one reaches 
> this level, then the $600/month will no longer be necessary and can be 
> used to support someone else."
> *
> To learn enough computer programming to be able to do this would take 
> what, a couple years of study?


A $10 an hour job will take two years of study? I would hope most
sidhas would be competent of earning $10 hr, pretty soon now.


 I see the TMO pulling support for the 
> scholarship recipients (except for the pundits, if they show up) after 
> a short while regardless of whether they are earning enough or not 
> (just as they did for recerts). I do think that lots of baby boomers 
> collecting early-retirement Social Security checks at age 62 (which 
> starts in 2008) will be interested in taking advantage of this program, 
> which will mean that only the pundits will need to be supported.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >  However, we must immediately cover the start-up costs of 
building
> the 
> > >  new campus—and continue to build until we have proper housing 
for 
> > > 1,000  Vedic Pandits.  Therefore, now is the time for all of 
you who 
> > > have who so kindly  pledged to support the Vedic Pandits when 
they 
> > > arrive to quickly fulfill  your commitment.
> > 
> > So this is a--gasp--plug for $$?  Who would have thought.
> > 
> > Sal
> >
> 
> It doesn't seem to be an new plug for $.   Given that people were
> smart enough to pledge money WHEN the pundits arrived, and not give
> outright, it seems reasonable that once the pundits DO arrive that
> people honor their pledges. 
> 
> But for any future TMO projects, it seems cleaner for donors to 
set up
> their own foundation, with their own board, and own transparent
> accounting, raise funds, and give piece meal to projects when and 
if
> each milestone is completed. 



Sadly, that's probably the only way to do it.

I say sadly because having each major donor set up their own 
foundations and own accounting is very inefficient and an 
unnecessarily repeating of expensive activities that otherwise could 
be done just once.

Sharon Stone got alot of Kudos from Forbes Magazine several years 
back for being the main fundraising celebrity who did NOT have her 
own foundation and, instead, hustled and pitched for already-
established AIDS foundations.  If I remember correctly, the author 
of the article contrasted this with the Baldwin Brothers who set up 
their own foundation for breast cancer in honor of their mother and 
the money that was actually going to fight cancer was just a few 
cents on the dollar because everything was being eaten up in 
administration costs.



> 
> Any donor who gives directly to the TMO is brain-dead and deserves 
to
> be taken. :) Its M's way of saying "grow up" create your own
> accountability systems if you want them, such things make no sense 
to
> us Indians past the age of 50 -- and our way of doing business, 
but if
> you want it, go do it.
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kudos to the Nobel Committee: my faith is renewed!

2006-10-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote:

> > Well, the just-announced winner sounds really terrific!  A 
> > Bangladeshi business man who, through a private enterprise 
> > initiative, set up a low-cost loan system for poor people
> > to lift them out of poverty...97% of whom women were the
> > recipients.
> > 
> > Talk about Age of Enlightenment news.  Wonderful choice.
> 
> Wonderful indeed, i was thinking the same thing.

If you like the microloan idea, there's a terrific
organization on the Web called Kiva to which you can loan
money, as little as $25, to a small business; you get to
pick the business from those listed on the site (all in
developing countries, mostly women).

Kiva handles the loan process through local microfinance
partners and sends you updates as the loan is repaid. You
can also get personal reports from the business as to how
it's doing.

When your loan has been paid back (usually in 6 to 12
months), you can get your money back (you don't get any
interest) or loan it to another business.  Kiva's loan
repayment rate is currently 100%.

Here's Kiva's FAQ, which gives details of how it works:

http://www.kiva.org/app.php?page=about&action=faq





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread new . morning
Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On Oct 13, 2006, at 3:48 PM, new.morning wrote:
>
> > But for any future TMO projects, it seems cleaner for donors to
set up
> > their own foundation, with their own board, and own transparent
> > accounting, raise funds, and give piece meal to projects when and if
> > each milestone is completed.
>
> For future TMO projects, it seems cleaner for donors to donate to
> something worthy of their $$ and good intentions, rather than a false
> front for a basically dishonest organization.

You are saying its not worth donating to projects, via a separate
foundation, with accountablity, with payments made after projects meet
milestones?   

> The TMO as most of us knew it is finished, New, over with. 



> Perhaps it
> would be best to actually get a life.

My why such wrath today? You tell me not to drink the Kool-aid and to
get a life. Next i guess next you will be calling me a TRUE BELIEVER.  

Whatever makes you happy sal. I hope what ever is irking you today passes.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT

2006-10-13 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bhairitu"  wrote:
> > 
> > I won't do email and most of my browsing anymore on buggy
> > > Windows.  
> > 
> > I used to agreee wholeheartedly that Windows was buggy, but I 
> > typically use both XP home and XP Pro every day all day, and they 
> > *never* crash or freeze- Of course I just run biz software on them 
> and 
> > well known apps, so no processor intensive gaming or anything, and 
> am 
> > religious about virus and spyware protection, but gotta say I can't 
> > beat the value and the stability. Any browsing issues are usually 
> due 
> > to the yahoos at same.
> 
> Same here, a year now on XP all day, every day and...
> 
> 
> 
> ...not one Windows crash.

I've had minor XP wonkification after running a couple weeks without
rebooting, which isn't that big a deal. But, it's not as robust in
that regard as Win2000, which I would only reboot every 3-4 weeks. My
little web server in the basement has a clean install of Win2000
running Apache and an FTP server only, and it runs months on end
without a reboot.




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[FairfieldLife] Unlikely job prospects for siddha scholarship recipients

2006-10-13 Thread bob_brigante
The Invincible America web site says that:

"How long will the grants support last for each person?
We envision that people will be trained for jobs that will enable them 
to support themselves with just 2 hours/day of work. Once one reaches 
this level, then the $600/month will no longer be necessary and can be 
used to support someone else."
*
To learn enough computer programming to be able to do this would take 
what, a couple years of study? I see the TMO pulling support for the 
scholarship recipients (except for the pundits, if they show up) after 
a short while regardless of whether they are earning enough or not 
(just as they did for recerts). I do think that lots of baby boomers 
collecting early-retirement Social Security checks at age 62 (which 
starts in 2008) will be interested in taking advantage of this program, 
which will mean that only the pundits will need to be supported.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On Oct 13, 2006, at 2:33 PM, new.morning wrote:
> 
> > Well, I guess hell froze over -- and a lot of hard-core pessimists
> > will have to find something else to be mad at. :) Perhaps it would be
> > good to use a napkin to remove the egg from your faces.
> 
> Perhaps it would be best, New, to not make assumptions 


What ever pleases you. 

> until they 
> actually get here--you know, real live pundits, not vague assurances 
> from Bevan. 

OK.


>Or do you still believe every pronouncement form the TMO 
> lock, stock and barrel? 

My, what a huge leap of logic.

> Time to lay off the Kool-Aid.

My, what can I say to that. Sorry you are having such a bad day. Hope
it gets better.









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[FairfieldLife] Something fishy about Bevan's pundit housing claims

2006-10-13 Thread bob_brigante
Bevan says:

"As you know, the Vastu campus previously constructed in Maharishi 
Vedic  City by Raja Wynne and Maureen is now completely occupied by 
participants  in the Mother Divine program."

In what way would the 100 ladies of the MD program be completely 
occupying a campus built for 500 pundits? They should build a facility 
that fits the size of the MD group, move them out, and move the first 
500 pundits into the facility built for them. Assuming, of course, that 
the pundits actually did get their visas (two weeks after we heard that 
the Rajas' trip to India to get permission for 2000 pundits was denied).




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On Oct 13, 2006, at 3:48 PM, new.morning wrote:
> 
> > But for any future TMO projects, it seems cleaner for donors to
set up 
> > their own foundation, with their own board, and own transparent 
> > accounting, raise funds, and give piece meal to projects when and if 
> > each milestone is completed.
> 
> For future TMO projects, it seems cleaner for donors to donate to 
> something worthy of their $$ and good intentions, rather than a false 
> front for a basically dishonest organization.
> 
> The TMO as most of us knew it is finished, New, over with.  Perhaps it 
> would be best to actually get a life.
> 
> Sal

Wow. Woke up on the wrong side of the bed? 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kudos to the Nobel Committee: my faith is renewed!

2006-10-13 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> A few days ago I expressed my disgust at the possibility that 
Cindy 
> Sheehan could be a winner of the Nobel Peace Prize.  In the 
process I 
> expressed my disdain at the Nobel prize committee for even 
considering 
> her and past "losers" like the Dalai Llama and Jimmy Carter.
> 
> Well, the just-announced winner sounds really terrific!  A 
Bangladeshi 
> business man who, through a private enterprise initiative, set up 
a 
> low-cost loan system for poor people to lift them out of 
poverty...97% 
> of whom women were the recipients.
> 
> Talk about Age of Enlightenment news.  Wonderful choice.>>

WowI agree with you.  
I was very inspired by this news, and many people I spoke to were. A 
few years ago I had thought of working for this bank, as I knew 
someone who was working for them, but I never did it.  
 I AM SO GLAD he got this Nobel Peace Prize. It also puts many banks 
and governments to shame and perhaps they will start to try to do 
more.

OffWorld




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[FairfieldLife] Re: pundits

2006-10-13 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Pete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Mark, I can only pray that this was a joke, but I fear
> it is not! There's a sucker born every minute I think
> is the phrase.
> -Peter>>>

You are living proof of that :-)

OffWorld

> --- markmeredith2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Overheard at Cafe Paradiso this morning -- the
> > pundits are actually
> > here already, it's just that Maharishi has them
> > doing the invisibility
> > sutra all day.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> __ 
> Do you Yahoo!? 
> Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! 
> http://my.yahoo.com
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> I just gave them $50, for either actually pulling it off, or for 
> being really, really good liars...

So you win either way!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT

2006-10-13 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bhairitu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
> wrote:
> >
> > Nice.but aren't Macs total shite?  
> >  Look at all the spurious typography in that shit. All that was 
caused 
> > by stupid fukin' Macs.
> > I worked on Macs for 12 years, then was forced swtich to a 
Toshiba.   
> > I will never work on a Mac again. I teach on Macs and PC's. Even 
the 
> > new macs are constantly crashing and freezing. The PC's never 
do.
> > It is very frustrating for the  students, but all the stupid Mac 
> > addicted old-fart design faculty think that all that sh!t is 
> > normal !!   
> >  
> > Its not normal Mac retards ! ! ! 
> > 
> > Macs are Shite.
> > 
> > OffWorld
> >
> I never have understood the Steve Jobs fan club that much.  They
> really believe the hype sorta like another organization we all 
know. 
> They believe it so much they pay a lot more for a computer (kinda 
like
> paying a lot more for a little mantra).  And now it is running Unix
> and it probably would have been running Linux if it was for that 
SCO
> fiasco.  And there is nothing wrong with either of those OS's as in
> fact I won't do email and most of my browsing anymore on buggy
> Windows.  I'm now running Ubuntu having upgraded my Linux system. 
> Love it, except that I need to work out a cursor bug with the PNY 
6200
> video card.  There are still parts of Linux that aren't ready for
> prime-time though it is still a good Windoze killer.
> 
> That being said I think what we're looking at is UTF-8 encoding 
which
> is messing up the display.  Perhaps someone didn't set the encoding
> right on the page.
> 
> And of course I get to answer this on the web page because I got 
all
> of one "hard bounce" and Yahoo shuts down the account.  That I 
don't
> get either.>>

Macs used to be better than PC's and faster and nicer, up until 
about the year 2002, 'specially for large file graphics operations. 
Now they are shite by comparison. I had a friend with a brand new 
Mac expensive laptop, and I kept going on about how Macs are awful 
and always freezing and crashing under duress, whereas my Toshiba 
never freezes. My friend denied all thisthen not long after my 
friend's Mac crashed and was at the doctors for 2 weeks. My Toshiba 
has had just about as much abuse as you can give a computer (except 
for in Shemp's case when he is dribbling and squirting all ove the 
place on it :-), and it has never had a problem and deals with my 
graphic design work no problem. Macs are slow.

OffWorld





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Oct 13, 2006, at 3:48 PM, new.morning wrote:

> But for any future TMO projects, it seems cleaner for donors to set up 
> their own foundation, with their own board, and own transparent 
> accounting, raise funds, and give piece meal to projects when and if 
> each milestone is completed.

For future TMO projects, it seems cleaner for donors to donate to 
something worthy of their $$ and good intentions, rather than a false 
front for a basically dishonest organization.

The TMO as most of us knew it is finished, New, over with.  Perhaps it 
would be best to actually get a life.

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] Re: pundits

2006-10-13 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> apparently bevan has told the course that pundits are now receiving
> visas and should start arriving in ffld in a week or so.
> 
> the tmo is hoping to get some of the unused FEMA trailers for them to
> live in -- FEMA bought 11,000 3-bedroom trailers for the homeless
> victims of katrina, but due to incompetence they have been sitting
> empty in an arkansas pasture all this time.  now the bush admin. is
> offering them for free to non profits and faith-based groups.  I
> suggest that these pundits start praising the lord instead of chanting
> sanskrit if they want a trailer to live in.
>



It's very unlikely these trailers would be sthapathyaved compliant, 
although I guess if you don't need a kitchen in the units because the 
pundits would be eating in a common dining hall, they could be oriented 
so that some SV requirements are met. Anyway, it hardly matters since I 
don't see how the feds could possibly see the political climate as 
tolerating giving the trailers to the pundits -- I bet they'll go for 
homeless housing somewhere, God knows Los Angeles and many other big 
cities have many thousands living on the streets.

Also, Bevan is saying (see 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/118249 ) that SV 
dimensioned trailers have been ordered, so they are apparently not 
counting on these FEMA trailers, which is the way to bet.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Oct 13, 2006, at 2:33 PM, new.morning wrote:

> Well, I guess hell froze over -- and a lot of hard-core pessimists
> will have to find something else to be mad at. :) Perhaps it would be
> good to use a napkin to remove the egg from your faces.

Perhaps it would be best, New, to not make assumptions until they 
actually get here--you know, real live pundits, not vague assurances 
from Bevan.  Or do you still believe every pronouncement form the TMO 
lock, stock and barrel?  Time to lay off the Kool-Aid.

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT

2006-10-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bhairitu"  wrote:
> 
> I won't do email and most of my browsing anymore on buggy
> > Windows.  
> 
> I used to agreee wholeheartedly that Windows was buggy, but I 
> typically use both XP home and XP Pro every day all day, and they 
> *never* crash or freeze- Of course I just run biz software on them 
and 
> well known apps, so no processor intensive gaming or anything, and 
am 
> religious about virus and spyware protection, but gotta say I can't 
> beat the value and the stability. Any browsing issues are usually 
due 
> to the yahoos at same.

Same here, a year now on XP all day, every day and...



...not one Windows crash.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: A PROGRESS REPORT

2006-10-13 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  
wrote:
> >
> > Nice.but aren't Macs total shite?  
> >  Look at all the spurious typography in that shit. All that was 
caused 
> > by stupid fukin' Macs.
> > I worked on Macs for 12 years, then was forced swtich to a 
Toshiba.   
> > I will never work on a Mac again. I teach on Macs and PC's. Even 
the 
> > new macs are constantly crashing and freezing. The PC's never 
do.
> > It is very frustrating for the  students, but all the stupid Mac 
> > addicted old-fart design faculty think that all that sh!t is 
> > normal !!   
> >  
> > Its not normal Mac retards ! ! ! 
> > 
> > Macs are Shite.
> > 
> > OffWorld
> >
> 
> 
> Guffaw.
> 
> Now I know your entire set of crazy arguments about black holes 
was an elaborate troll.>>

Then how come you completely lost the argument, and made a fool of 
yourself.

OffWorld





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 
> >  However, we must immediately cover the start-up costs of building
the 
> >  new campus—and continue to build until we have proper housing for 
> > 1,000  Vedic Pandits.  Therefore, now is the time for all of you who 
> > have who so kindly  pledged to support the Vedic Pandits when they 
> > arrive to quickly fulfill  your commitment.
> 
> So this is a--gasp--plug for $$?  Who would have thought.
> 
> Sal
>

It doesn't seem to be an new plug for $.   Given that people were
smart enough to pledge money WHEN the pundits arrived, and not give
outright, it seems reasonable that once the pundits DO arrive that
people honor their pledges. 

But for any future TMO projects, it seems cleaner for donors to set up
their own foundation, with their own board, and own transparent
accounting, raise funds, and give piece meal to projects when and if
each milestone is completed. 

Any donor who gives directly to the TMO is brain-dead and deserves to
be taken. :) Its M's way of saying "grow up" create your own
accountability systems if you want them, such things make no sense to
us Indians past the age of 50 -- and our way of doing business, but if
you want it, go do it. 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pandits Arriving: Nat'l Call

2006-10-13 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Oct 13, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > 
> > > IMPORTANT CONFERENCE CALL
> > >
> > > About the Arrival of the Vedic Pandits
> > >
> > > SATURDAY, OCTOBER 14
> > >
> > > 9:00 pm EDT • 8:00 pm CDT • 9:00 pm MDT • 8:00 pm PDT
> > >  Live on MOU  or via conference call
> > 
> > I can't wait.
> > 
> > Actually, I do plan on trying to watch at least some of it, as 
> much as 
> > I can stand.  Should be fun to try and see Bevan spin with a 
> straight 
> > face.
> > >
> > > To join the conference call, telephone: 512-225-3019—
> > >  and then  enter the code 60345#
> > >
> > > His Excellency Dr. John Hagelin;
> > >  Dr. Robert Wynne, Raja of Vedic  America;
> > >  His Excellency Dr. Bevan Morris
> > 
> > Anybody know the difference between a Raja and an Excellency? 
> Curious 
> > minds and all that.
> > >
> > >  Dear Vedic Pandit Benefactor
> > 
> > Uh, oh...
> > 
> > > Fantastic news!
> > 
> > Uh oh again.
> > 
> > 
> > (huge trim here)
> > 
> > >  However, we must immediately cover the start-up costs of 
> building the 
> > >  new campus—and continue to build until we have proper housing 
> for 
> > > 1,000  Vedic Pandits.  Therefore, now is the time for all of you 
> who 
> > > have who so kindly  pledged to support the Vedic Pandits when 
> they 
> > > arrive to quickly fulfill  your commitment.
> > 
> > So this is a--gasp--plug for $$?  Who would have thought.
> > 
> > Sal
> >
> I just gave them $50, for either actually pulling it off, or for 
> being really, really good liars...
>


LOL!! 




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