date:20070608

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of shempmcgurk
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:41 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Posting Totals

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> 
> Rick, Shemp is already over 35, yet I am still getting
> requests to approve moderated posts by him.

No, you're not.

I've never made requests to approve moderated posts. I've "sent" 
posts after I reached my limit but I never requested that 
anyone "approve" them.

When you reach your limit, I put you on moderated status. Then, every time
you post something, the moderators get an email announcing that a moderated
post needs approval or rejection. I just delete those. The consensus here
seems to be that I should delete your extra posts to discourage you from
writing them. The consensus also seems to be that you are discourteous and
immature for refusing to abide by a guideline that everyone else has agreed
to.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Idea for a Fun Thread: People's Previous Incarnations

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 12:42 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Idea for a Fun Thread: People's Previous
Incarnations

Or, for that matter, if you've got some idea who *you*
might have been in a previous incarnation, do tell. 

A couple of people suggested to me, independent of one another, that I might
have been Mark Twain. I guess they thought so because of some similarities
in our personalities, or my Tom Sawyerish nature. There were some
similarities in our lives. I was born and used to teach TM in Connecticut.
He lived and died there. His wife was from Buffalo. My father grew up there.
His wife slipped on the ice and injured herself seriously. My wife is
inordinately afraid of slipping and falling. He lived in the Midwest near
where I live. He visited India and was interested in yogis, siddhis, etc. He
visited Switzerland and sat on a bench on Lake Lucerne. I sat on the same
bench, or at least at the same spot. But I have no intuitive insight of
having been him, or anyone.

I did have a heavy dream on my 6 month course that seemed to be a past life
unstressing. In it, I was running along a beach at night, in a state of
great fear, with bombers droning overhead. A woman whose TTC I taught told
me I was a journalist in WWII and had been killed in the war. I was born in
1949.

Who knows? It's interesting to think that one's physical remains from
previous lives are probably still scattered around the world in various
graves.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Does The self Fear Most?

2007-06-08 Thread TurquoiseB

Just to finish up from last week, just for the fun
of playing with ideas, *not* to argue or claim the
"rightness" or "superiority" of those ideas or 
anything like that. The "short version" is:

Thanks but no thanks on Ramana, Edg. I've read him 
before, and there was no strong resonance for me 
there. For one reason, I'm more into saturating my 
self with its *own* ideas (poor as they may be) 
these days than with other people's, and second 
because I honestly believe that most Advaita I have 
read's ideas are based on an unchallenged basic 
assumption that, in my opinion, renders anything 
based upon that assumption suspect. But thanks for 
the suggestion, and for the fervor of your post.

Longer version below, just for fun...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Turq,
> 
> I wish I had the writing skills to do what I want to do in 
> this post.  
> 
> But, NO ONE has such skills.  

I'm not convinced it's even *about* writing skills.

> All the scriptures of the world were written by the smartest 
> folks possible...

That's an issue on which we shall have to agree to
disagree. I find that many of them were written by
uptight, life-averse recluses who wanted to convince
others to live just like them, terrified of the world
in which they dwelled.  :-)

> ...and none of them ever produced anything in text that would,
> you know, pick one's soul up like a crying toddler and, just 
> with a whisper or two to the intellect, free one FOREVER.  

I would go so far as to say that the same is true of
spiritual teachers. IMO not one of them in history has
ever had that power, or that effect. Realization 
happens on its own, and those to whom it happens may
*attribute* it to the particular spiritual teacher 
they work with, but I'm not convinced it happens that 
way. It's like the olde Indian metaphor of the crow 
and the coconut. The crow lands on a branch of the 
palm tree and a coconut falls from another branch 
of the same tree. Is there a cause-and-effect 
relationship between the two events? Well, the answer 
is "not necessarily." There is, for you, if you imagine 
one. But that doesn't mean that one ever existed on
any objective level.

> Not that they didn't try. Not that scholars were duffers.  

Here again we must agree to disagree. Some of them *were*
duffers IMO. The guy who wrote Ecclesiastes certainly 
seems to have been sorely in need of antidepressants.  :-)

You may begin to suspect that I have very little de facto 
respect for what others call "scriptures." You would be 
correct in this suspicion. I don't care *who* wrote it, 
or how many people on the planet consider it scripture
or valuable spiritual teaching. Either it "speaks" to me 
or it does not. End of story. If it does, cool. If it does 
not, the "scripture" has no value for me whatsoever, except 
possibly as entertainment.

> I believe in saturation now -- a simple running of concepts 
> over and over again is found to breed, grow, do-whatever-is-
> needed, for a brain to finally have what it PHYSICALLY takes 
> to have the clarity about identification that I believe I have.  

With all due respect, it seems that the overall message 
of this post is that you run the *same* concepts over and
over again, concepts (as I suggested earlier) that are 
based on acceptance of a Creation myth that postulates
that there was once a time when the Absolute was not
manifest. I was merely trying to suggest another concept,
that this is NOT a given. If one takes that "given" away,
then from my perspective the whole idea of "primal iden-
tification" is meaningless, because there has never been
a moment in the history of the universe that one could 
deem "primal." 

I still feel that way. Reading a buncha Ramana or Nisarg-
adatta ain't gonna change that for me, if they assume 
that there *was* such a "primal" moment. For me, right
now, the notion of an eternal universe, one that has 
never seen a moment in which the relative aspect of 
creation was not manifest has an intuitive resonance. 
It "feels" correct. Therefore any idea that is *dependent* 
on the notion of a "standalone" Absolute, one that has 
no manifest side, is rather suspect.

I *understand* that many, if not most, people might have
a bit of a problem conceiving of an eternal universe,
one that never began and will never end. Humans tend
to anthropomorphize. They have a hard time with the 
concept of eternity. Because *they* have a beginning
(birth) and an end (death), they tend to project that
outwards at the manifest universe, imagining *it* to 
have a birth and a death as well. This anthropomorphizing
is reinforced, of course, by the Creation myths of most
religions, almost all of which contain a verse that 
starts with, "In the beginning..."

All I'm suggesting is that a *great deal* of philosophy
and religion is based upon accepting Creation myths --
and the notion of Creation itself -- as a given. If you
do not, all of the sub-philosophies t

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Valley of the Saints

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Then, I told Ned Wynn and Rick Stanley. Later, I made a 
> mistake and took Allen Ginsberg to see the Maharishi at 
> Helen's (Helen Olsen, 'A Hermit in the House', Donnelley 
> 1971). Maharishi warned Allen about LSD and told him that 
> recently half a dozen hippies had come to his room and 
> that they smelled so bad that he told them to go into 
> the garden.



Who is the "I" in your paragraph above?  You?

Because Allen Ginsberg didn't meet Maharishi at Helen's house in Los 
Angeles, as you claim above, but in London:

http://tinyurl.com/2v2em5




> 
> Allen was outraged!
> 
> Allen said: "I said what? You must have been reading 
> the newspapers."
> 
> He said he didn't read newspapers. He insisted that 
> hippies smelled. (Ginsberg, 'International Times' 26 
> February 1968).
> 
> Nameste' and Jai Guru Dev!
> 
> P.S. I am seriously considering a visit to Mt. Kailash 
> to hunt for rare fungi, as part of my Tantra Yoga 
> Sadhana. Do they have Wi-Fi up there yet? If not, I 
> have a great collection of Gilbert Shelton Comics I 
> could take with me!
> 
> Please send any comments you might have to this 
> fellow - otherwise you can be leaving a message with 
> Parvati at Whole Foods in Austin - I'll get back to you.
> 
> Tejas Wallah
> General Delivery
> The Valley of the Saints
> Attention: Post Office Wallah
> Uttar Kashi, Garwhal, Himalayas, India
> http://www.rwilliams.us/
>

[FairfieldLife] Off_World's candidate does NOT want federal funding for stem cells

The following wonderful cure using stem cells would NOT be enabled by 
federal funding if Off_World's candidate, Ron Paul, were president:

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/1031002392.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lust in his heart?'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Like President Jimmie Carter once said:
>   That he had 'Lust in his heart'...,


Jimmie lusted in his heart.

Hart lusted in his Jimmie (Gary Hart that is.





> one time in an interview in 'Playboy' magazine, back, 'In the day'.
>   Anyways, I would just like to remind everyone, that when we dwell 
on lust and greed, 
>   We expose our own selves to what we hold in our mind.
>   Any gossip concerning Maharishi, is:
>   Hereby release, in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,
>   Brahma, Vishnu, Shivaiya, Namah, Om.
>   My Maharishi be released from any of this earthly gossip,
>   Which serves no purpose, except to embarrass and confuse;
>   So,. my this darkness surrounding the TMO, and all those ever 
involved, with Maharishi and the TMO,
>   Be hereby released of all negative gossip.
>   Amen.
> 
>
> -
> Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from 
someone who knows.
> Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Posting Totals

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> 
> Rick, Shemp is already over 35, yet I am still getting
> requests to approve moderated posts by him.




No, you're not.

I've never made requests to approve moderated posts. I've "sent" 
posts after I reached my limit but I never requested that 
anyone "approve" them.

But I am DEMANDING that you immediately post this one so that readers 
know that I am NOT requesting approvals.





> Is he
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> once said extra posts would get deleted. 
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[FairfieldLife] Al Gore: ban Shiva

Associated Press -- June 7, 2007

In an apparent extension of his proposal that CO2 in the atmosphere 
be reduced, Al Gore today called for the elimination of Shiva, the 
Destroyer.

"Anything that destroys is negative," said Gore. "It simply isn't 
right that a destructive force such as Shiva be allowed to continue 
to exist and wreak havoc on the environment."

Gore was asked whether he wanted to eliminate the other two basic 
forces in the universe as well.

"We have no problem with either Vishnu or Brahma as the former is 
responsible for maintenance in the universe and the latter for 
creation.  These are good, positive forces.  We only want negative, 
destructive forces eliminated.  We're only for positive things."

Vaclav Klaus, the President of the Czech Republic was swift to 
respond.  "The nature of life is change.  It is constantly changing.  
In order for change to occur, destruction of what exists must occur.  
Destruction as a force is as equally important as creation.

"Mr. Gore seems to view the world and the environment as an 
unchanging static organism.  But it can and does 
change...continually.  Be it polar ice caps or the weather, change 
has always occurred and will continue to take place.  However, some 
people can't come to terms with the ever-changing nature of life.  
Psychologically, it takes them out of their comfort zone because they 
seek permanence in the relative field, something that is impossible. 
Therefore, when they observe change occuring in life they seek an 
answer to explain a phenomenon that, on the face of it, is unpleasant 
and icky to them.

"It is akin to those who seek answers to irrational acts, such as the 
assassination of John F. Kennedy.  To accept that just one single, 
insane gunman could bring down the president of the United States is 
so inconceivable to many that they construct conspiracy theories in 
order to bring rationality to where it doesn't exist.

"In the same way, Gore assumes unpleasant change that he observes 
occuring in nature -- such as an unusually strong hurricane season or 
a hot summer -- must therefore be due to some manmade unnatural 
cause.  He then seeks to find a cause that will explain the 
unpleasantness.  He has done that by assigning the cause of global 
warming to manmade CO2 and he now wants to do that with an entire 
force of nature, Shiva, because "destruction" seems to him such a 
nasty thing.

Asked if he still felt whether Mr. Gore's sanity should be 
questioned, Mr. Klaus replied: "yes."

[FairfieldLife] Smelling the insides of '60s era cars

On Saturday, I accompanied a friend to an outdoor classic car show 
held in the parking lot of a neighbourhood shopping center.  Most of 
the cars were from the '50s and '60s and, although original, were in 
pristine condition, as one would expect at such a show.

We were able to promenade around the cars -- without touching, of 
course -- but the windows of all the vehicles were open which lent 
itself to us observers sticking our heads in and checking out the 
upholstery and dashboards.

What struck me -- and the reason I am moved to post on this subject --
 was that when I would stick my head in I got an immediate "sense 
memory".  I don't know if that is the correct term to use, but 
the "sense" was the sense of smell: the combination of the leather, 
plastic and metal that were used in production in the '60s all seemed 
to gell together and give off an emanation that brought me right back 
to when I was a kid!  And I sensed immediately that I hadn't had that 
smell "package" in 40 years.

So it brought back a whole range of feelings I had associated with 
being about 10 years old and being in those cars.  It was quite an 
extraordinary experience and it convinced me that whatever materials 
Detroit was using back then (all the cars were American-made) must 
have been unique to that era because I didn't remember those aromas 
from other decades' cars.

[FairfieldLife] Re: rfk anniversary

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> today is the 39th anniversary of the assassination of RFK.  this
> extemporaneous talk of his on the evening of the assassination of
> martin luther king is worth watching and remembering.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gigsZH5HlJA
>

RFK...one of the great Anti-Communists in American history who fought 
communism hand-in-hand with both Joe McCarthy and Roy Cohn.

Indeed, former Attorney-General of Maryland, Kathleen Kennedy 
Townsend's Godfather was Joe McCarthy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fateful Voice of a Generation Still Drowns Out Real Science

Rachel Carson was probably responsible for more human deaths than Pol 
Pot, Fidel Castro, and Che Guevara combined.

Her science -- the Science of Scare -- is being replayed today as the 
Science of Global Warming.  In other words, not a science but a fear-
mongering religion in which Al Gore is the Pope and David Suzuki one 
of his Cardinals.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> June 5, 2007 NYTIMES
> Fateful Voice of a Generation Still Drowns Out Real Science
> By JOHN TIERNEY
> 
> For Rachel Carson admirers, it has not been a silent spring. They've
> been celebrating the centennial of her birthday with paeans to her
> saintliness. A new generation is reading her book in school  and
> mostly learning the wrong lesson from it.
> 
> If students are going to read "Silent Spring" in science classes, I
> wish it were paired with another work from that same year, 1962,
> titled "Chemicals and Pests." It was a review of "Silent Spring" in
> the journal Science written by I. L. Baldwin, a professor of
> agricultural bacteriology at the University of Wisconsin.
> 
> He didn't have Ms. Carson's literary flair, but his science has held
> up much better. He didn't make Ms. Carson's fundamental mistake, 
which
> is evident in the opening sentence of her book:
> 
> "There was once a town in the heart of America where all life seemed
> to live in harmony with its surroundings," she wrote, extolling the
> peace that had reigned "since the first settlers raised their 
houses."
> Lately, though, a "strange blight" had cast an "evil spell" that
> killed the flora and fauna, sickened humans and "silenced the 
rebirth
> of new life."
> 
> This "Fable for Tomorrow," as she called it, set the tone for the
> hodgepodge of science and junk science in the rest of the book. 
Nature
> was good; traditional agriculture was all right; modern pesticides
> were an unprecedented evil. It was a Disneyfied version of Eden.
> 
> Ms. Carson used dubious statistics and anecdotes (like the 
improbable
> story of a woman who instantly developed cancer after spraying her
> basement with DDT) to warn of a cancer epidemic that never came to
> pass. She rightly noted threats to some birds, like eagles and other
> raptors, but she wildly imagined a mass "biocide." She warned that 
one
> of the most common American birds, the robin, was "on the verge of
> extinction"  an especially odd claim given the large numbers of
> robins recorded in Audubon bird counts before her book.
> 
> Ms. Carson's many defenders, ecologists as well as other scientists,
> often excuse her errors by pointing to the primitive state of
> environmental and cancer research in her day. They argue that she 
got
> the big picture right: without her passion and pioneering work, 
people
> wouldn't have recognized the perils of pesticides. But those 
arguments
> are hard to square with Dr. Baldwin's review.
> 
> Dr. Baldwin led a committee at the National Academy of Sciences
> studying the impact of pesticides on wildlife. (Yes, scientists were
> worrying about pesticide dangers long before "Silent Spring.") In 
his
> review, he praised Ms. Carsons's literary skills and her desire to
> protect nature. But, he wrote, "Mankind has been engaged in the
> process of upsetting the balance of nature since the dawn of
> civilization."
> 
> While Ms. Carson imagined life in harmony before DDT, Dr. Baldwin 
saw
> that civilization depended on farmers and doctors fighting "an
> unrelenting war" against insects, parasites and disease. He 
complained
> that "Silent Spring" was not a scientific balancing of costs and
> benefits but rather a "prosecuting attorney's impassioned plea for
> action."
> 
> Ms. Carson presented DDT as a dangerous human carcinogen, but Dr.
> Baldwin said the question was open and noted that most scientists
> "feel that the danger of damage is slight." He acknowledged that
> pesticides were sometimes badly misused, but he also quoted an 
adage:
> "There are no harmless chemicals, only harmless use of chemicals."
> 
> Ms. Carson, though, considered new chemicals to be inherently
> different. "For the first time in the history of the world," she
> wrote, "every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous
> chemicals, from the moment of conception until death."
> 
> She briefly acknowledged that nature manufactured its own 
carcinogens,
> but she said they were "few in number and they belong to that 
ancient
> array of forces to which life has been accustomed from the 
beginning."
> The new pesticides, by contrast, were "elixirs of death," dangerous
> even in tiny quantities because humans had evolved "no protection"
> against them and there was "no `safe' dose."
> 
> She cited scary figures showing a recent rise in deaths from cancer,
> but she didn't consider one of the chief causes: fewer people were
> dying at young ages from other diseases (including the malaria that
> persisted in the American South until DDT

[FairfieldLife] Idea for a Fun Thread: People's Previous Incarnations

2007-06-08 Thread TurquoiseB


This occured to me yesterday while re-watching Peckinpah's
masterful "Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid." I was reading
the trivia section of the IMDB entry on this film and
found this lovely tidbit: "Bob Dylan, an almost totally 
inexperienced actor, lobbied hard for a role in this 
film. Dylan has said he believes he was Billy the Kid 
in a past life."

Y'know, I can see that. He was certainly tremendous in
the film, as Alias. :-)

One of the best actresses in the world (not to mention
one of the most beautiful), Isabelle Adjani, produced
a marvelous biopic about Camille Claudel, the mistress
of Rodin and, in my opinion, as good a sculptor as he
was. She produced it so that she could star in it; she
believes she *was* Camille Claudel in a previous life.
I can see that one, too. If you look at photos of the 
real Camille Claudel and at photos of Adjani, there is 
even an uncanny physical resemblance, especially in
the eyes. She's also "sculpted" her own body and face
(with a little help from surgeons, I would expect)
such that she is as beautiful at 52 as she was at 30. :-)

Charlie Lutes claimed to have been Alexander the Great.
WWWII General George Patton thought he was Julius 
Caesar. Saddam Hussein believed he was the reincarnation
of the Babylonian King Nebakanether. And Mark Twain once 
said, "I have been born more times than anybody except 
Krishna."

So, who else -- in the public eye and thus people we'd
be familiar with, or in the TM/spiritual scene, for the 
same reasons -- do you know who has speculated publicly 
as to who they might have been in a past life?

Or, for that matter, if you've got some idea who *you*
might have been in a previous incarnation, do tell.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually hot in FF, Karunamayi this Month

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Doug wrote:
> > Amma is the living embodiment of the infinite wisdom, 
> > love and compassion of Divine Mother. Her mission is 
> > one of universal peace and the spiritual elevation of 
> > humanity. 
> > 
> So, an older woman called 'Ma' is going to be on Route 1 
> in Iowa in a few weeks. I'll be sure to mark my calendar 
> so I can hitch-hike up Route I-35 to meet her.

We'll leave the light on for ya. 

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > I think you're likely skrying a future self of your own  
> > intentionality, not necessarily her own.
> 
> Only insofar as everyone is my past-present-futureself. That 
> particular dharma holds no real futurebliss for this-individual me, 
> but I enjoy it greatly in Judy in this time :-)
>  
Its kind of like going to a Bar-B-Q in the summer. Some enjoy the 
meat, while others make themselves miserable swatting at flies and 
complaining about the heat. 

Judy's judgment is about as clean as it gets. Her insights are 
sometimes hilarious too!:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Jim: Let's just say that what you are saying is true. What is your
> > alternative? You have been at this same message for years, and 
yet
> > never propose a workable alternative.

> Jimbo! It sounds like you've not been listening!
> 
> I've suggested many. Like the one Rory and I are talking about: 
an  
> Indian yogin and an American yogini, both of the Saraswati 
lineage  
> that Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was from. Both lineage holders: 
yogi/ 
> ni's who have realized the vision of all the chakra petals and 
routes  
> to Unityand most importantly know how to help all types of  
> students, of all dispositions and doshas, and the sadhanas that 
lead  
> to Unity uniquely for them. I think that's a beautiful thing, a 
rare  
> thing and an important thing.

You appear to be talking about healing injured TMSP practitioners. 
Again. I am asking you about an alternative to Maharishi, who is 
interested only in quickly raising the world consciousness to gain 
world peace. I don't know of these two women or yoginis of which you 
speak, therefore they are not as well known as Maharishi, and 
clearly not as effective. I am listening to you, and all I hear is 
further obscuration. You don't sound grounded or practical when it 
comes to the larger issue of truly helping the world. It is all 
levels and esoterica with you.

Which is fine, but you are not proposing the alternative I asked 
for, merely restating the results of your hobby.:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> > Great expression, though I'd like to add that the awakened 
hearts 
> of 
> > others who don't participate actively in any spiritual practice 
or 
> > meditation also find the Self friendly and blissful and 
attractive 
> and 
> > happy, without necessarily knowing what it is that they are 
> reacting 
> > to.:-)
> >
> Absolutely; perhaps we could say that's the Self recognizing the 
> Self, without its recognizing that it's recognizing the Self :-)

Yes, that is the second meaning of what I wrote, which I thought you 
would easily get.:-) Absolutely ;-)

> Yes, the "prana-binding" I found to be attenuated with every new 
> Realization moving into the ever-subtler and ever-more-"interior," 
> but culminated only with Awakening, as Now and Always Self-
evidently 
> Obvious, Understanding and Understood, that *all* experience 
> *depends* upon oneself, not the other way around: That Awakening, 
> emptifulfillment, is a-priori, independent of *anything* in 
> spacetime, including *any* state of consciousness, any stage of 
> Being: That we are the container, as well as the contained. Show's 
> over, Folks -- and THAT's when the fun begins! :-) 
> 
> *L*L*L*
>
Yes, and I'll just add that the Self-evidence is often for me anyway 
more apparent through my actions and reactions with others than  
anything I just know of my Self.:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: England is merry again - TM instruction officially resumed

2007-06-08 Thread bob_brigante

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>



Not so fast, sluggo -- scorpionland is only allowed to get TM in 
schools, not so for some poor slobs walking into a TM centre -- I'm 
pretty sure this was a result of pressure by David Lynch, who got 
some concessions on price in his TM-in-schools thing as a result of 
prior pressuring/lobbying.


> NEW POLICY:
> 
> TM teaching to start again in schools in England and Wales
> National Coherence Days to be restarted
> 
> The teaching of Transcendental Meditation and associated programmes
> can once again proceed, unrestricted, in dedicated Maharishi Schools
> for the pupils and their parents, in England and Wales. The same
> applies to outside schools where the pupils are learning
> Transcendental Meditation collectively as part of a special school
> programme.
> 
> National Coherence Days â" a special whole-day programme of 
extended
> practice of Transcendental Meditation and the TM-Sidhi programme â"
> have been recommenced in England and Wales, with the first taking
> place around the country on Sunday 1 April, and the next on 20 May.
> 
> This initiative comes under project one of the Six-Point Plan of the
> Global Financial Capital, the goal of which is to create indomitable
> coherence and positivity in national consciousness and raise the
> nation to Invincibility. The most immediate way to accomplish this 
is
> for existing Sidhas and Meditators to enjoy group practice on a 
daily
> basis, whenever possible, in their own locality and to come together
> for these monthly events and other coherence-creating programmes.
> 
> Also under project one, the Maharishi European Sidhaland is hosting 
a
> National Invincibility Month starting in April with a special focus
> over the Bank Holiday weekend Friday 4 to Monday 7 May. All 
Governors
> and Sidhas are warmly invited to join the coherence-creating group 
in
> the Maharishi Golden Dome (phone 01695 50306 for details)
> 
> source:
> Transcendental Meditation News - Great Britain (April 2007)
> http://www.tmnews.net
> 
> --
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: England is merry again - TM instruction officially resumed

2007-06-08 Thread off_world_beings

The Serpent has been defeated.

OffWorld


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> NEW POLICY:
> 
> TM teaching to start again in schools in England and Wales
> National Coherence Days to be restarted
> 
> The teaching of Transcendental Meditation and associated programmes
> can once again proceed, unrestricted, in dedicated Maharishi 
Schools
> for the pupils and their parents, in England and Wales. The same
> applies to outside schools where the pupils are learning
> Transcendental Meditation collectively as part of a special school
> programme.
> 
> National Coherence Days â" a special whole-day programme of 
extended
> practice of Transcendental Meditation and the TM-Sidhi programme 
â"
> have been recommenced in England and Wales, with the first taking
> place around the country on Sunday 1 April, and the next on 20 May.
> 
> This initiative comes under project one of the Six-Point Plan of 
the
> Global Financial Capital, the goal of which is to create 
indomitable
> coherence and positivity in national consciousness and raise the
> nation to Invincibility. The most immediate way to accomplish this 
is
> for existing Sidhas and Meditators to enjoy group practice on a 
daily
> basis, whenever possible, in their own locality and to come 
together
> for these monthly events and other coherence-creating programmes.
> 
> Also under project one, the Maharishi European Sidhaland is 
hosting a
> National Invincibility Month starting in April with a special focus
> over the Bank Holiday weekend Friday 4 to Monday 7 May. All 
Governors
> and Sidhas are warmly invited to join the coherence-creating group 
in
> the Maharishi Golden Dome (phone 01695 50306 for details)
> 
> source:
> Transcendental Meditation News - Great Britain (April 2007)
> http://www.tmnews.net
> 
> --
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Unresponsive

2007-06-08 Thread gullible fool

Yahoo has been like this for years. I've even left
groups and still received posts. Give it three days.

By the way, Rick, I changed my membership settings so
I no longer receive messages that require moderator
approval. I didn't mind receiving these on occasion
when they were just part and parcel of the worthwhile
precaution we took to moderate new members who we were
concerned could be adult content spammers, but now I'm
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--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A new member signed up several days ago and at first
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> individual emails. Another member went on vacation
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> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think you're likely skrying a future self of your own  
> intentionality, not necessarily her own.

Only insofar as everyone is my past-present-futureself. That 
particular dharma holds no real futurebliss for this-individual me, 
but I enjoy it greatly in Judy in this time :-)
 
> It's not necessarily a good thing to confuse future-self and 
present- 
> self.


> > >nonetheless she is
> > > rather lovable in her own curmudgeonly way.
> >
> > Lovable, yes. Curmudgeonly? I'd say "exacting" -- upholding the
> > Dharma of Truth to a "T" -- *not* supporting the TMO "party-line"
> > when it deviates from the Truth, but also *not* supporting a knee-
> > jerk/illogical attack on the TMO stemming from the 
hurt/anger/blame
> > cycle mentioned above.
> 
> Well we know our dear Judy is NOT a TMO fan...that's a given. She's 
a  
> critic, albeit operating on a group of assumptions imprinted from  
> that very TMO...and so sorely not referenced from other parallel 
and/ 
> or independent sources. It's hard to take her all that seriously.  
> Have you ever been annoyed by a fly?
> 
> >
> > > I've suggested many. Like the one Rory and I are talking about: 
an
> > > Indian yogin and an American yogini, both of the Saraswati 
lineage
> > > that Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was from. Both lineage holders:
> > yogi/
> > > ni's who have realized the vision of all the chakra petals and
> > routes
> > > to Unityand most importantly know how to help all types of
> > > students, of all dispositions and doshas, and the sadhanas that
> > lead
> > > to Unity uniquely for them. I think that's a beautiful thing, a
> > rare
> > > thing and an important thing.
> >
> > And an *ideal* thingSounds as if *someone* may be putting
> > *someone* up on another pedestal...? ;-)
> 
> Naw. Just a recognition and appreciation of ability and skillful  
> means relevant to a suffering TMSP audience.
> 
> And sometimes there's an answer.
> 
> >
> > And again, I am *not* at all sure how relevant the chakra-petals 
are
> > to actual Awakening. And yet again, the misUnderstanding of the 
Hrit-
> > padma is nothing to sneeze at! :-)
> 
> Not much at all. I always loved Dr. Pete's example of subtle-body  
> maps as spiritual pornography. It truly can become just like that.
> 
> >
> > > Short of a sadhana chip implant, I don't know how much better it
> > > could get. ;-)
> >
> > But that's what we all *have*, as far as I can see! :-)
> 
> Don't assume everyone's attuned that much!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Great expression, though I'd like to add that the awakened hearts 
of 
> others who don't participate actively in any spiritual practice or 
> meditation also find the Self friendly and blissful and attractive 
and 
> happy, without necessarily knowing what it is that they are 
reacting 
> to.:-)
>
Absolutely; perhaps we could say that's the Self recognizing the 
Self, without its recognizing that it's recognizing the Self :-)

Yes, the "prana-binding" I found to be attenuated with every new 
Realization moving into the ever-subtler and ever-more-"interior," 
but culminated only with Awakening, as Now and Always Self-evidently 
Obvious, Understanding and Understood, that *all* experience 
*depends* upon oneself, not the other way around: That Awakening, 
emptifulfillment, is a-priori, independent of *anything* in 
spacetime, including *any* state of consciousness, any stage of 
Being: That we are the container, as well as the contained. Show's 
over, Folks -- and THAT's when the fun begins! :-) 

*L*L*L*

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

On Jun 8, 2007, at 8:04 PM, Rory Goff wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>

>
> Not everyone is as fortunate as we have been Rory.
>
> I did not get that "instruction". I just knew it was...and left.

Yes, that's what I mean about getting that instruction. Much of
the "really good stuff" is on that level of knowing, I'm finding :-)

> > (By the way, I'm pretty sure Judy is a Dharmapala.)

> Maybe for codependent TB's she is,

You mean codependent as in "codependent arising illusion"? :-)

Uhhh, no.

> but it's a samsaric pattern my
> friend and not the activity of a bodhisatva, although alot of
> bleeding heart liberals DO believe they are...

I see her quite differently, now that my own anger/hurt/blame around
the TMO has been healed. Essentially in this bodymind of awareness,
she's a Dharmapala of practically perfect diamond-mind!

I think you're likely skrying a future self of your own  
intentionality, not necessarily her own.

It's not necessarily a good thing to confuse future-self and present- 
self.

>nonetheless she is
> rather lovable in her own curmudgeonly way.

Lovable, yes. Curmudgeonly? I'd say "exacting" -- upholding the
Dharma of Truth to a "T" -- *not* supporting the TMO "party-line"
when it deviates from the Truth, but also *not* supporting a knee-
jerk/illogical attack on the TMO stemming from the hurt/anger/blame
cycle mentioned above.

Well we know our dear Judy is NOT a TMO fan...that's a given. She's a  
critic, albeit operating on a group of assumptions imprinted from  
that very TMO...and so sorely not referenced from other parallel and/ 
or independent sources. It's hard to take her all that seriously.  
Have you ever been annoyed by a fly?

> I've suggested many. Like the one Rory and I are talking about: an
> Indian yogin and an American yogini, both of the Saraswati lineage
> that Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was from. Both lineage holders:
yogi/
> ni's who have realized the vision of all the chakra petals and
routes
> to Unityand most importantly know how to help all types of
> students, of all dispositions and doshas, and the sadhanas that
lead
> to Unity uniquely for them. I think that's a beautiful thing, a
rare
> thing and an important thing.

And an *ideal* thingSounds as if *someone* may be putting
*someone* up on another pedestal...? ;-)

Naw. Just a recognition and appreciation of ability and skillful  
means relevant to a suffering TMSP audience.

And sometimes there's an answer.

And again, I am *not* at all sure how relevant the chakra-petals are
to actual Awakening. And yet again, the misUnderstanding of the Hrit-
padma is nothing to sneeze at! :-)

Not much at all. I always loved Dr. Pete's example of subtle-body  
maps as spiritual pornography. It truly can become just like that.

> Short of a sadhana chip implant, I don't know how much better it
> could get. ;-)

But that's what we all *have*, as far as I can see! :-)

Don't assume everyone's attuned that much!

[FairfieldLife] England is merry again - TM instruction officially resumed

2007-06-08 Thread george_deforest

NEW POLICY:

TM teaching to start again in schools in England and Wales
National Coherence Days to be restarted

The teaching of Transcendental Meditation and associated programmes
can once again proceed, unrestricted, in dedicated Maharishi Schools
for the pupils and their parents, in England and Wales. The same
applies to outside schools where the pupils are learning
Transcendental Meditation collectively as part of a special school
programme.

National Coherence Days â" a special whole-day programme of extended
practice of Transcendental Meditation and the TM-Sidhi programme â"
have been recommenced in England and Wales, with the first taking
place around the country on Sunday 1 April, and the next on 20 May.

This initiative comes under project one of the Six-Point Plan of the
Global Financial Capital, the goal of which is to create indomitable
coherence and positivity in national consciousness and raise the
nation to Invincibility. The most immediate way to accomplish this is
for existing Sidhas and Meditators to enjoy group practice on a daily
basis, whenever possible, in their own locality and to come together
for these monthly events and other coherence-creating programmes.

Also under project one, the Maharishi European Sidhaland is hosting a
National Invincibility Month starting in April with a special focus
over the Bank Holiday weekend Friday 4 to Monday 7 May. All Governors
and Sidhas are warmly invited to join the coherence-creating group in
the Maharishi Golden Dome (phone 01695 50306 for details)

source:
Transcendental Meditation News - Great Britain (April 2007)
http://www.tmnews.net

--

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>

> 
> Not everyone is as fortunate as we have been Rory.
> 
> I did not get that "instruction". I just knew it was...and left.

Yes, that's what I mean about getting that instruction. Much of 
the "really good stuff" is on that level of knowing, I'm finding :-)

> > (By the way, I'm pretty sure Judy is a Dharmapala.)

> Maybe for codependent TB's she is,

You mean codependent as in "codependent arising illusion"? :-)

> but it's a samsaric pattern my  
> friend and not the activity of a bodhisatva, although alot of  
> bleeding heart liberals DO believe they are...

I see her quite differently, now that my own anger/hurt/blame around 
the TMO has been healed. Essentially in this bodymind of awareness, 
she's a Dharmapala of practically perfect diamond-mind!

>nonetheless she is  
> rather lovable in her own curmudgeonly way.

Lovable, yes. Curmudgeonly? I'd say "exacting" -- upholding the 
Dharma of Truth to a "T" -- *not* supporting the TMO "party-line" 
when it deviates from the Truth, but also *not* supporting a knee-
jerk/illogical attack on the TMO stemming from the hurt/anger/blame 
cycle mentioned above.

> I've suggested many. Like the one Rory and I are talking about: an  
> Indian yogin and an American yogini, both of the Saraswati lineage  
> that Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was from. Both lineage holders: 
yogi/ 
> ni's who have realized the vision of all the chakra petals and 
routes  
> to Unityand most importantly know how to help all types of  
> students, of all dispositions and doshas, and the sadhanas that 
lead  
> to Unity uniquely for them. I think that's a beautiful thing, a 
rare  
> thing and an important thing.

And an *ideal* thingSounds as if *someone* may be putting 
*someone* up on another pedestal...? ;-) 

And again, I am *not* at all sure how relevant the chakra-petals are 
to actual Awakening. And yet again, the misUnderstanding of the Hrit-
padma is nothing to sneeze at! :-)

> Short of a sadhana chip implant, I don't know how much better it  
> could get. ;-)

But that's what we all *have*, as far as I can see! :-)

[FairfieldLife] More on Pranayama by Richard Rosen

2007-06-08 Thread Robert Gimbel

  The Yoga of Breathing: More on Pranayama
  by Richard Rosen
  Adapted from The Yoga of Breath: A Step-by-Step Guide to Pranayama.

  Lets start our exploration of the yoga of breathing by asking an easy 
question: Why do we breathe? We dont tend to think much about our breathing. 
Why should we? Although we can influence the way we breathe, breathing is 
largely an automatic process. Why be concerned about something that seems to 
take care of itself just fine, when there are so many other more important 
things to worry over?
  But the answer to this question is fairly obvious. Breath, as we all know, is 
life, an equivalence thats been recognized all over the world for thousands of 
years. For example, remember that the word prana is rooted in the verb an, 
which means to breathe, but also to live and to move. In Sanskrit a 
pranaka is a living being. When we stop breathing, at least for more than a few 
minutes, we stop living. Im sure youll agree that this alone is a good enough 
reason to keep on breathing. We breathe to take in and replenish the bodys 
store of oxygen for the production of energy in the body; maintain balanced 
levels of oxygen and its essential partner, carbon dioxide, in the body; and 
expel waste gases to purify the body.
  So the why of breathing isnt much of a mystery, but let me ask you another 
question you might not have considered before: How do you breathe? Again, the 
answer seems obviouswith lungs and diaphragm and nose and a few other things 
that we may not be quite sure about but that were confident are working away 
to keep us alive. Obvious again.
  But thats not exactly the answer Im looking for. Maybe I should rephrase 
the question: How well do you breathe? You might believe that we all breathe in 
pretty much the same way and that it doesnt take a breathing genius to breathe 
well. But in fact, each of us has a unique breathing behavior or breathing 
identity. Some of us are very efficient breathers, while othersmany 
othersarent. Although it may not seem that important to be an efficient 
breather, inefficient breathing can have far-reaching consequences. 
Breathing experts cite three conditions in particular that contribute to 
inefficient breathing:

   Poor posture, which might include a sagging spine and a stiff or sunken rib 
case.   
   Weak, uncoordinated, or constricted respiratory muscles, especially the 
diaphragm, our primary breathing muscle, and its breathing synergist, the 
rectus abdominis.   
   The wear and tear of everyday stress. 
  How does an inefficient breather breathe? Shes inclined to breathe too 
shallowly, mostly high in the chest because the diaphragm is stuck, and too 
fastshe hyperventilates, which makes the flow of the breath turbulent. She 
often breathes through the mouth, which is universally censured because it 
reinforces hyperventilation, and under extreme stress shell tend to hold 
her breath. Shallow, fast breathing reduces the carbon dioxide in the body, 
which constricts blood vessels and slows the circulation of blood and oxygen to 
the body and brain. Oxygen starvation chronically excites the sympathetic 
branch of the autonomic nervous system and the fight-or-flight response. So the 
heart beats rapidly or irregularly, shes by turns forgetful or confused, 
anxious or fearful, tense or irritable, and shes always tired and emotionally 
drained or flat.
  On the other side of the ledger is the efficient breather. She breathes 
slowly, which streamlines the breath, with the free and easy movement of the 
diaphragm, engaging the entire torso (in fact, the entire body). She mostly 
breathes through the nose, which filters, warms or cools as needed, and 
humidifies the breath. Nose breathing naturally slows the exhale, because the 
nostrils offer more resistance to the breath than the mouth, and gives the 
lungs enough time to extract the maximum amount of oxygen and energy from each 
breath. With the correct proportion of oxygen and carbon dioxide in the 
body, which dilate the blood vessels, blood and oxygen circulate smoothly 
and easily through the efficient breathers body and brain. The full excursion 
of the diaphragm and the well-toned abdominals massage internal organs, like 
the heart and intestines, and so improve digestion and elimination. Efficient 
breathing activates the parasympathetic branch of the
 autonomic nervous system and the relaxation response. In all, the efficient 
breather is much calmer and more clearheaded, and probably healthier and 
happier, than her inefficient friend.
  So how would you identify yourself as a breather? Efficient or inefficient, 
or somewhere in between? Its hard to answer a question like this objectively, 
especially when you might be a little fuzzy on the details of the function and 
machinery of breathing, with a breathing identity thats largely unexamined.
  Its not surprising that the yogis have their own ideas about breathing. Of

[FairfieldLife] Dalai Lama - on "God".

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Dalai Lama: If God is interpreted as an ultimate reality or truth, then selflessness may be considered as God and even as a creator in the sense that within the nature of emptiness things appear and disappear. In this sense, emptiness is the basis of everything; because of emptiness, things can change, and things can appear and disappear.* Thus, voidness--emptiness, selflessness--is this kind of basis.
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The reason why we find so much discussion of epistemology, or how to define something as a valid cognition, in Buddhist writings is because all our problems, suffering and confusion derive from a misconceived way of perceiving things. This explains why it is so important for a practitioner to determine whether a cognitive event is a misconception or true knowledge. For it is only by generating insight which sees through delusion that we can become liberated.

Even in our own experience we can see how our state of mind passes through different stages, eventually leading to a state of true knowledge. For instance, our initial attitude or standpoint on any given topic might be a very hardened misconception, thinking and grasping at a totally mistaken notion. But when that strong grasping at the wrong notion is countered with reasoning, it can then turn into a kind of lingering doubt, an uncertainty where we wonder: "Maybe it is the case, but then again maybe it is not". That would represent a second stage. When further exposed to reason or evidence, this doubt of ours can turn into an assumption, tending towards the right decision. However, it is still just a presumption, just a belief. When that belief is yet further exposed to reason and reflection, eventually we could arrive at what is called 'inference generated through a reasoning process'. Yet that inference remains conceptual, and it is not a direct knowledge of the object. Finally, when we have developed this inference and constantly familiarized ourselves with it, it could turn into an intuitive and direct realization--a direct experience of the event. So we can see through our own experience how our mind, as a result of being exposed to reason and reflection, goes through different stages, eventually leading to a direct experience of a phenomenon or event.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

On Jun 8, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Rory Goff wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> One thing to keep in mind, particularly in a technique
administered
> to thousands or millions of people without personalized
instruction:

I don't know where you're getting this from; I certainly received all
the personalized instruction I needed -- both externally and (when
ready) internally. Did you not get the instruction to leave when it
was time? :-)

Not everyone is as fortunate as we have been Rory.

I did not get that "instruction". I just knew it was...and left.

(By the way, I'm pretty sure Judy is a Dharmapala.)
Maybe for codependent TB's she is, but it's a samsaric pattern my  
friend and not the activity of a bodhisatva, although alot of  
bleeding heart liberals DO believe they are...nonetheless she is  
rather lovable in her own curmudgeonly way.

> One thing to keep in mind, particularly in a technique administered
> to thousands or millions of people without personalized
instruction:

Let's just say that what you are saying is true. What is your
alternative? You have been at this same message for years, and yet
never propose a workable alternative.

Jimbo! It sounds like you've not been listening!

I've suggested many. Like the one Rory and I are talking about: an  
Indian yogin and an American yogini, both of the Saraswati lineage  
that Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was from. Both lineage holders: yogi/ 
ni's who have realized the vision of all the chakra petals and routes  
to Unityand most importantly know how to help all types of  
students, of all dispositions and doshas, and the sadhanas that lead  
to Unity uniquely for them. I think that's a beautiful thing, a rare  
thing and an important thing.

Short of a sadhana chip implant, I don't know how much better it  
could get. ;-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-08 Thread Peter

--- Rory Goff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I don't know where you're getting this from; I
> certainly received all 
> the personalized instruction I needed -- both
> externally and (when 
> ready) internally. Did you not get the instruction
> to leave when it 
> was time? :-)

Ha! The most difficult lesson of all, Grasshopper.
Leaving when it is time to leave. Only the ripe ones
can fall from the tree. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> One thing to keep in mind, particularly in a technique 
administered  
> to thousands or millions of people without personalized 
instruction:  

I don't know where you're getting this from; I certainly received all 
the personalized instruction I needed -- both externally and (when 
ready) internally. Did you not get the instruction to leave when it 
was time? :-)

> there will be some people who based on their own good 
circumstances  
> will awaken in a balanced manner simply due to their fortunate and  
> balanced disposition (of body, energy and Mind). The technique 
used  
> is therefore of little consequence. In fact even a dangerous  
> technique can be a cause for awakening in some.

Yes, and I would be the *last* to say that TM/TMSP is for everyone, 
at all times ... it's always all about trusting the Self/self, or 
whatever other "codependent illusion" you wish to hang your hat on, 
until you remember there is no hat, no your, no you, etc. :-)

> 
> And of course it will not for everyone. However, as you know from  
> Harrigan's work, siddhi practice will tend to predispose one to an  
> unbalanced rising. In fact some gurus prefer this, as it not only  
> places the student in a sort of limbo, but creates a kind of 
zombie  
> who's very likely to stick around.

Yes, you know, it's a funny thing -- when I was still one of 
the "walking wounded" immediately before and after my own Awakening, 
I saw these "walking wounded" everywhere. Long after I had left the 
Movement and was practicing my own healing techniques, I would notice 
again and again that those coming for help were perfect mirrors of my 
own issues. I returned to the Dome last year and saw only a myriad of 
Divine Siddhas so beautiful I was reduced again and again to tears -- 
perfect particles of my Absolute Being; perfection recognizing 
perfection! Who's really been "healed" here -- them or me, or is 
there any difference?  As a friend of mine recently said, "it's all a 
co-dependent arising illusion!" I like that! :-)

Oh, and many thanks for reminding me of the Herukas -- they are 
*loads* of fun; really liven up an illusory party! Sal-sa!

(By the way, I'm pretty sure Judy is a Dharmapala.)

*L*L*L*

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-08 Thread qntmpkt

--Right!  Vaj's Guru, Norbu Rinpoche is not a great teaching Guru.  
He only has a few hundred disciples and his best technique is 
the "Dance of the Vajra" a type of dance done on top of a mandala to 
the accompanyment of various Tibetan instruments.
 Basically, Vaj reminds me of those Christian Fundies who go around 
saying "you're going to Hell".  The people who say that are already 
in Hell, but they don't know it!. 

- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> 
> > One thing to keep in mind, particularly in a technique 
administered  
> > to thousands or millions of people without personalized 
> instruction:  
> 
> Let's just say that what you are saying is true. What is your 
> alternative? You have been at this same message for years, and yet 
> never propose a workable alternative. Maharishi's goal has always 
been 
> to create world peace by quickly raising the world consciousness. 
How 
> else can this be done except to provide an easy to practice 
technique, 
> en masse? Are you suggesting the the millions who practice TM and 
TMSP 
> instead go through what you did? That would not scale. So in the 
> meantime I will be waiting for your alternative. Otherwise I assume 
> you are like the guy in the meeting that shoots everything down, 
> without coming up with a responsible suggestion of his own.
> 
> Here is my theory on spiritual practice: Because we do it by 
> ourselves, like many other actions, like sleeping, waking, 
breathing, 
> etc. it should be as simple and easy to learn and do as possible. 
In 
> my experience and reflection, that is how our world is designed. 
Just 
> as there are those who make a big show out of the commonplace in 
life, 
> there are those like you who get so caught up in the esoterica of 
> spiritual practice that they can no longer see the forest for the 
> trees. They lose sight of the goal by being seduced by their own 
path. 
> That is the exception, not the rule as you express. Most of us just 
> want something like TM and TMSP to rapidly achieve the goal and get 
on 
> with our lives, not getting stuck in an endless masturbatory loop 
> of "this technique does this which I believe is this and that...". 
> 
> I can appreciate you have spent a lot of time and effort learning 
all 
> this esoteric knowledge, but outside a very small group of 
hobbyists, 
> does anyone else in the world even care? The answer is no. So 
provide 
> an alternate means to quickly spear the darkness of the world with 
> light as Maharishi has done, or please keep your itty bitty 
knowledge 
> to yourself-- it is all but worthless to the rest of us.:-)
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Unresponsive

Yes, it's on again off again kinda thing. I often lose my email due  
to "bounced" emails for some reason.


On Jun 8, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

A new member signed up several days ago and at first opted to get  
the daily digest but then changed it to individual emails, but  
she’s still not getting individual emails. Another member went on  
vacation and changed his setting several days ago to “no emails,”  
yet he’s still getting individual emails. Are others experiencing  
problems like this? Is this typical?

[FairfieldLife] FFL Unresponsive

A new member signed up several days ago and at first opted to get the daily
digest but then changed it to individual emails, but she's still not getting
individual emails. Another member went on vacation and changed his setting
several days ago to "no emails," yet he's still getting individual emails.
Are others experiencing problems like this? Is this typical?

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Does The self Fear Most?

> > I wonder if Barry read the Buddha's 
> > first sermon. Go figure.
> >
Peter wrote:
> Yeah, that Barry is a real spiritual 'tard!
>
Turq wrote:
"Buddhism -- all the good stuff about meditation, 
but without all that God stuff." 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/139679

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Does The self Fear Most?

2007-06-08 Thread Marek Reavis

Comment below:

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Turq,
> 
> I wish I had the writing skills to do what I want to do in this 
post.  
> 
> But, NO ONE has such skills.  
> 
> All the scriptures of the world were written by the smartest folks
> possible, and none of them ever produced anything in text that 
would,
> you know, pick one's soul up like a crying toddler and, just with a
> whisper or two to the intellect, free one FOREVER.  
> 
> Not that they didn't try.  Not that scholars were duffers.  The best
> minds tried.  Minds that are so stellar.  Minds way beyond my ken. 
> All have failed to produce a book that "gets you there in one 
reading."  
> 
> I believe in saturation now -- a simple running of concepts over and
> over again is found to breed, grow, do-whatever-is-needed, for a 
brain
> to finally have what it PHYSICALLY takes to have the clarity about
> identification that I believe I have.  I'm not talking about me 
being
> enlightened and having pure-knowledge to hand down from on high.  
I'm
> not talking about having passed an IQ test.  I am not touting
> superiority, but as I've pointed out, NO ONE can claim to "have the
> words that cut to the chase."  I wish I could say words with that
> transformative power, but NO ONE has ever been able to "say THAT," 
and
> be successful.
> 
> Like everyone here, I am a very long time thinker, but I didn't get
> what I'm trying to communicate about identification after decades of
> spiritual, intellectual, moral, physical and financial commitment to
> this "work." Flat out didn't get it.
> 
> You'd think I would have gotten it.  Should have.  Didn't.  29 years
> in the chair, 2,000 pujas, lifestyle dedication . nada.
> 
> What happened, methinks, is that my whole spirituality was spread 
out
> over many issues.  Most of my time was spent on many things instead 
of
> the "one truth." On my third reading of Ramana Maharshi's "Talks,"
> something clicked.  It took that long  And if you've 
read "Talks,"
> you know that at first it comes off as Ramana saying the exact same
> thing to everyone all the time.  But I didn't even hear what he was
> saying for the first two readings.   It's there plain as day in his
> words, but I didn't have the brain to read them properly. Simple as 
that.
> 
> I've tried to communicate this here, but I've failed miserably -- 
or,
> better said, I've discovered yet again, gotten clear about it yet
> again, that the intellect is a very weak tool when it comes to
> "informing" a mind -- better said: growing a mind.
> 
> Saturation.  Priceless.
> 
> Child psychology teaches that certain cognitions are not available 
to
> a child until the brain has grown "enough" to "get it."  A child's
> brain will grab at a paper doll instead of a $100 bill, believe 
that a
> tall skinny glass has more water than a shorter but much larger 
glass,
> not be able to pick a square out from amongst circles,  etc.  
> 
> Not so hard to think that maybe an adult has to grow a brain that 
can
> tell the difference between silence and noise.
> 
> It's not hypnosis, not brainwashing, not delusion -- saturation is
> merely "watering the mind" until a clarity flower grows.
> 
> Remember when we were first told that "life is bliss," "you can
> contact God," "one can achieve a thoughtless state," "dreams are
> astral traveling," "Guru Dev is divine," or any of the thousand 
others
> "cult statements" we've all had to encounter "for the first time?" 
We
> didn't know what the words meant -- not like we know now, right?
> 
> We all had to grow neuron-connectivity in order to PHYSICALLY EMBODY
> what we actually meant when we said these phrases to ourselves and
> others.  The bones had to be fleshed out.  Neurons had to grow to 
form
> a faithful "reproduction of the outside" inside.
> 
> No one, upon first hearing that "life is bliss" could be expected to
> instantly know all the ramifications of believing such a statement. 
> In fact, the belief itself must be grown first, then "tried out" 
again
> and again to see what really is "going on" when one has the brain
> produce such activities.  It takes thousands of iterations before 
one
> can "feel the heft of the belief" inside one's mind.  
> 
> From age 25 to 59, I was your typical geekazoid, couch potato, no
> exercise, weakling.  Oh, I could get the groceries into the house,
> pick up the kids in my arms, pretend to be Superman to toddlers, 
and I
> was thinking "I'm okay. Yeah, I could do a bit more, but I'm not in
> "bad" shape."  
> 
> But I was a joke.  
> 
> Now, after three years of vigorous exercise daily for 30 minutes, 
I'm
> in shape.  And like the heft of a saturation born process, my 
muscles
> "hang heavily" from my shoulders.  Three years it took, but now I 
can
> just feel the strength and power draping my bones.  First time in my
> life feeling of fitness.  Did me wonders psychologically.
> 
> That's what I'm talking about when I s

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

On Jun 8, 2007, at 10:35 AM, boo_lives wrote:

> Here is my theory on spiritual practice: Because we do it by
> ourselves, like many other actions, like sleeping, waking,  
breathing,

> etc. it should be as simple and easy to learn and do as possible. In
> my experience and reflection, that is how our world is designed.  
Just
> as there are those who make a big show out of the commonplace in  
life,

> there are those like you who get so caught up in the esoterica of
> spiritual practice that they can no longer see the forest for the
> trees. They lose sight of the goal by being seduced by their own  
path.

> That is the exception, not the rule as you express. Most of us just
> want something like TM and TMSP to rapidly achieve the goal and  
get on

> with our lives, not getting stuck in an endless masturbatory loop
> of "this technique does this which I believe is this and that...".

i agree completely. maybe Vaj's words sound esoteric and complex, but
imagine a normal person listening to MMY or Bevan for the first time.
my experience is that the intellectual and belief system baggage that
now comes with the TMSP culture reflects what you're objecting to more
than most alternative approaches which you simply practice without
having to join the one true world saving tribe.

Imagine someone hearing SCI before learning TM. 'It sounds so  
involved' they might say.

It would be a mistake to assume the practices I'm referring to are  
complex as they are epitome of simplicity, ease and conciseness.

I've often found that the highest practices are often the most simple  
practices.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

2007-06-08 Thread boo_lives

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> 
> > One thing to keep in mind, particularly in a technique administered  
> > to thousands or millions of people without personalized 
> instruction:  
> 
> Let's just say that what you are saying is true. What is your 
> alternative? You have been at this same message for years, and yet 
> never propose a workable alternative. Maharishi's goal has always been 
> to create world peace by quickly raising the world consciousness. How 
> else can this be done except to provide an easy to practice technique, 
> en masse? Are you suggesting the the millions who practice TM and TMSP 
> instead go through what you did? That would not scale. So in the 
> meantime I will be waiting for your alternative. Otherwise I assume 
> you are like the guy in the meeting that shoots everything down, 
> without coming up with a responsible suggestion of his own.

There are a number of valid options out there.  I don't know about Vaj
but I personally talk with friends who are having problems with their
program or their life about possible solutions.  The rule with most
valid spiritual practices is you find it when you're ready, mass
marketing or promotion over the internet is not the approach.  No one
is shooting down the TMSP.  Those of us who have 30+ yrs experience
with TMSP and know hundreds of others are simply addressing the
problems that have come up for many.  After addressing the problem via
a complementary approach a person can continue their TMSP with much
better results or go along another route that their natural
evolutionary tendency is urging.  

> Here is my theory on spiritual practice: Because we do it by 
> ourselves, like many other actions, like sleeping, waking, breathing, 
> etc. it should be as simple and easy to learn and do as possible. In 
> my experience and reflection, that is how our world is designed. Just 
> as there are those who make a big show out of the commonplace in life, 
> there are those like you who get so caught up in the esoterica of 
> spiritual practice that they can no longer see the forest for the 
> trees. They lose sight of the goal by being seduced by their own path. 
> That is the exception, not the rule as you express. Most of us just 
> want something like TM and TMSP to rapidly achieve the goal and get on 
> with our lives, not getting stuck in an endless masturbatory loop 
> of "this technique does this which I believe is this and that...". 

i agree completely.  maybe Vaj's words sound esoteric and complex, but
imagine a normal person listening to MMY or Bevan for the first time.
 my experience is that the intellectual and belief system baggage that
now comes with the TMSP culture reflects what you're objecting to more
than most alternative approaches which you simply practice without
having to join the one true world saving tribe.

> I can appreciate you have spent a lot of time and effort learning all 
> this esoteric knowledge, but outside a very small group of hobbyists, 
> does anyone else in the world even care? The answer is no. So provide 
> an alternate means to quickly spear the darkness of the world with 
> light as Maharishi has done, or please keep your itty bitty knowledge 
> to yourself-- it is all but worthless to the rest of us.:-)

It's interesting you feel you can speak for the rest of the world in
saying that nobody is interested in any spiritual approach except that
of MMY's.  Unfortunately that attitude sometimes keeps long term
sidhas from finding practices and therapies that can help them.  MMY's
mass marketing which spread meditation quickly was a very positive
thing, but to now cloak it with "it's the one and only thing needed"
is off track.  You can appreciate the good in MMY's approach without
closing your eyes to the negative side effects in many many sidhas.

PS -- look at the change reflected in Ron's writing (that Rick posted
recently) and presumably in his OCD as a result of his new thing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: FW: SOBERING

2007-06-08 Thread martyboi

MMY teaches us in the gita that: The self is conquered by the
Self...alone.

IMO, before the wholeness of Self predominates -the field of opposites
(maya) holds sway over the intellect. Good, bad, legal, illegal. 

When opposites are held in contempt rather than being viewed as
complimentary aspects of a larger wholeness, there is a tendency to
project the "negative" aspects of self (small s) outwards onto people,
 societies, and groups. Enemies are seen everywhere. Evil is seen
everywhere. 

I question the validity of the point of view that there are large
groups of evil, bad people  out there that are ruining our country. I
question too, the validity of a point of view that says we need to
build wall instead of bridges. And lastly, I question the point of
view that requires people to be given permission by us to seek their
birthright which is a prosperous and happy family life.

Instead of asking "Why are they here? Why not ask: how can I help
create a society and a world where people don't have to leave their
own country to prosper? How can I help create a world where people
don't have to live in garages? How can I help create a world where the
basic necessities of life are available to everyone, right where they
live?

Again, MMY teaches us that the Enlightened man - a man he describes as
having "universal love predominating in the heart" - "Works tirelessly
for the welfare of the entire world"






> 
> In my understanding, the majority of US population are offspring
> of  "illegal aliens" from Europe. Those aliens murdered American
> Indians rather  mercilessly.
> 
> 
> 
> The illegals in question have not established a government or claimed  
> independence yet either. 
> 
> 
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Does The self Fear Most?

2007-06-08 Thread Peter


--- "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> TurquoiseB wrote:
> > It seems to me that the concept of relative
> creation
> > being separate from the Absolute, or existing in
> some
> > kind of "fallen" state as the "sin of
> manifestation"
> > is based on having *started* one's philosophical 
> > ponderings by accepting as a given an assumption. 
> >
> That the world is characterized by suffering, a
> fallen
> state, is a basic fundamental Buddhist concept. It
> is 
> mentioned by the historical Buddha in the Four Noble
> 
> Truths. I wonder what kind of Buddhist philosophy
> Barry
> has been reading all these years. For a fact he read
> 'Surfing the Himalayas' by the Zen Master Rama,
> because
> he admitted it. But I wonder if Barry read the
> Buddha's 
> first sermon. Go figure.

Yeah, that Barry is a real spiritual 'tard!




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> One thing to keep in mind, particularly in a technique administered  
> to thousands or millions of people without personalized 
instruction:  

Let's just say that what you are saying is true. What is your 
alternative? You have been at this same message for years, and yet 
never propose a workable alternative. Maharishi's goal has always been 
to create world peace by quickly raising the world consciousness. How 
else can this be done except to provide an easy to practice technique, 
en masse? Are you suggesting the the millions who practice TM and TMSP 
instead go through what you did? That would not scale. So in the 
meantime I will be waiting for your alternative. Otherwise I assume 
you are like the guy in the meeting that shoots everything down, 
without coming up with a responsible suggestion of his own.

Here is my theory on spiritual practice: Because we do it by 
ourselves, like many other actions, like sleeping, waking, breathing, 
etc. it should be as simple and easy to learn and do as possible. In 
my experience and reflection, that is how our world is designed. Just 
as there are those who make a big show out of the commonplace in life, 
there are those like you who get so caught up in the esoterica of 
spiritual practice that they can no longer see the forest for the 
trees. They lose sight of the goal by being seduced by their own path. 
That is the exception, not the rule as you express. Most of us just 
want something like TM and TMSP to rapidly achieve the goal and get on 
with our lives, not getting stuck in an endless masturbatory loop 
of "this technique does this which I believe is this and that...". 

I can appreciate you have spent a lot of time and effort learning all 
this esoteric knowledge, but outside a very small group of hobbyists, 
does anyone else in the world even care? The answer is no. So provide 
an alternate means to quickly spear the darkness of the world with 
light as Maharishi has done, or please keep your itty bitty knowledge 
to yourself-- it is all but worthless to the rest of us.:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritually hot in FF, Karunamayi this Month

Doug wrote:
> Amma is the living embodiment of the infinite wisdom, 
> love and compassion of Divine Mother. Her mission is 
> one of universal peace and the spiritual elevation of 
> humanity. 
> 
So, an older woman called 'Ma' is going to be on Route 1 
in Iowa in a few weeks. I'll be sure to mark my calendar 
so I can hitch-hike up Route I-35 to meet her.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Does The self Fear Most?

TurquoiseB wrote:
> It seems to me that the concept of relative creation
> being separate from the Absolute, or existing in some
> kind of "fallen" state as the "sin of manifestation"
> is based on having *started* one's philosophical 
> ponderings by accepting as a given an assumption. 
>
That the world is characterized by suffering, a fallen
state, is a basic fundamental Buddhist concept. It is 
mentioned by the historical Buddha in the Four Noble 
Truths. I wonder what kind of Buddhist philosophy Barry
has been reading all these years. For a fact he read
'Surfing the Himalayas' by the Zen Master Rama, because
he admitted it. But I wonder if Barry read the Buddha's 
first sermon. Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wireless recharging

2007-06-08 Thread uns_tressor

>bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> today's WSJ
> 
> A team of Massachusetts Institute of Technology researchers 
>reported in Science Express, the online publication of the 
>journal Science, that they had demonstrated wireless transmission 
>of electric power by magnetically coupled resonators.
>
Very interesting poiece, but I reckon it was pioneered by Tesla
a helluver long time ago:
http://www.teslasociety.com/teslabanquet.htm
Uns.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: FW: SOBERING

2007-06-08 Thread MDixon6569

In a message dated 6/8/07 1:42:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> 2.  95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal 
aliens. 
>  

In my understanding, the majority of US population are offspring
of  "illegal aliens" from Europe. Those aliens murdered American
Indians rather  mercilessly.

The illegals in question have not established a government or claimed  
independence yet either. 

** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days

Peter wrote:
> I'll go with MMY's telling of the story of how and
> when he met GD over Charlie's because MMY was 
> actually there! 
>
Even if it makes no sense? 

Marshy has been less than candid before. 

So, how do you suppose that Marshy got up to the 
Jyotir Math to see the Guru Dev. Walked? That's 
a long walk. So, maybe the Marshy cut school and 
decided to hitchhike up to the Upper Kashi, and 
just happened to stop by to see the Guru Dev, even
though Rick says that Marshy knew nothing about 
the Guru Dev before he met hime for the first time,
at the *exact* moment that a car drove by, 
illuminating the face of the Guru Dev, while he 
was sitting on a veranda meditating. 

But this brings up other questions:

Did they have cars at Jyotimath in those days? 
Maybe it was a bicycle, a jeep or a lorry.

Did the cars have any headlights? 

Does the Jyotirmath even have a veranda? 

And how, exactly, do you get inside a Matha and 
sit on the veranda in the middle of the night 
without an invite or even a veranda badge?

And what do you suppose that the Marshy said to 
the Guru Dev after the flashing light episode? 

Maybe Marshy said "Can I stay here for a little 
while, I'm really tired from walking all the way 
up here." And, maybe the Guru Dev said to the 
Marshy: "Get your ass back down the hill and 
finish school - we don't need no un-lettered, 
low-caste scribes on the veranda at night!"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of Subtle Pranas

2007-06-08 Thread cardemaister

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 7, 2007, at 10:59 PM, emptybill wrote:
> 
> > >Vaj:
> > >In some practitioners of the TMSP, what yogins are finding is
> > >exacerbation of the karmic nadis and entrapment in non-bindu
> > >resolving routes. Left unresolved and not re-routed to the 
central
> > >channel the prognosis is for lifetimes of suffering, and a 
downward
> > >turn on the wheel of samsara is almost guaranteed.
> >
> > Empty:
> > Perhaps I'm confused. Who are these "yogins" you are talking 
about 
> > the SP practitioners themselves or some other practitioner (of
> > something or other)?
> 
> I've heard a number of Buddhist yogins talk of it, seen it myself 
in  
> a number of people. If you're in FF you could meet Joan Harrigan 
as  
> she lectures there.

Jsut some nitpicking:

I think *she's* a *yoginii* [yaw-ghee-knee]...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reversal of subtle pranas key to transcending...

On Jun 7, 2007, at 9:19 PM, Rory Goff wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> That's not my experience of non-proliferation of karmic winds at
all,
> although your description was very colorful.

Thank you. I did not go into detail yet again on early experiences of
refinement/cessation of breath and the absorption into the rapture of
the kundalini-flow up the sushumna through its chakras and into the
spherical golden-light-body, and of the later dissolution of this  
Solar

Witness into THAT, the Great Immensity, and so on, because I believe
I've said it all before, and you apparently continue to discount  
it, or

insist it's not possible through the TM & TMSP program -- perhaps
because I have not, 30 years after the fact, recalled or related every
infinitesimal "stage" like water-into-smoke or whatever that your
currently-adopted tradition holds to be of utmost importance as
a "criterion" for Awakening...?

Of course, the biggest joke is, we only truly Awaken when we realize
there *are* no criteria, no experiences, no stages, no *anything* that
can get us from Here to Here! :-)

If you have found TM/TMSP to be of no value in your Awakening, well  
and

good; I wish you all the best; your path is perfect and all paths lead
back to Me for those with the courage to follow the Self Alone, but I
will yet again point out that your particular experience or
interpretation of TM/TMSP, while certainly valid for you in this
moment, is not universal.

One thing to keep in mind, particularly in a technique administered  
to thousands or millions of people without personalized instruction:  
there will be some people who based on their own good circumstances  
will awaken in a balanced manner simply due to their fortunate and  
balanced disposition (of body, energy and Mind). The technique used  
is therefore of little consequence. In fact even a dangerous  
technique can be a cause for awakening in some.

> In some practitioners of the TMSP,

I wonder how many?

That's a really good question. It would be interesting to hear what  
Joan would have to say on this. Certainly she's receiving a large  
number of TMSP people.

> what yogins are finding is
> exacerbation of the karmic nadis and entrapment in non-bindu
> resolving routes. Left unresolved and not re-routed to the central
> channel the prognosis is for lifetimes of suffering, and a downward
> turn on the wheel of samsara is almost guaranteed.

I can almost guarantee that *anyone* who's afraid of downward turns on
the wheel of samsara will certainly undergo them! More of Me to Love,
and all THAT. :-) I'm familiar with Joan Shivarpita Harrigan's
Kundalini Vidya and her models of unsuccessful risings. I like her
general outlay of subtle anatomy, and I'm sure she offers a wonderful
service, but the nonculminating rising has certainly not been my
experience.

And of course it will not for everyone. However, as you know from  
Harrigan's work, siddhi practice will tend to predispose one to an  
unbalanced rising. In fact some gurus prefer this, as it not only  
places the student in a sort of limbo, but creates a kind of zombie  
who's very likely to stick around.

This is not to say the TMO and its TM practitioners could not benefit
from incorporating a good deal more awareness of the Kundalini  
process.
I suspect we all bring our own issues to our own birth. Some births  
are

messy, some are not. Blockages certainly occur, and can often be
resolved through breath, easy attention, etc. On the other hand, I
suspect too much attention on the Kundalini-process itself could also
be inimical to one's true Awakening, as its presence or absence can be
used as yet another criterion to deny the eternal perfection of the
present, and for me at least, the conventionally understood Kundalini
rising into the Golden Soul -- while unimaginably powerful, blissful,
clear, etc -- was at most but a midway station, and perhaps not
necessary for all -- to actual Awakening into THAT, compared to which
it was but a candle in the Sun.

I like much of what Joan S. Harrigan says, although we differ quite
emphatically on the placement and function of the Hrit padma. The
scriptures cited in Shyam Sundar Goswami's Layayoga agree far more
closely with my own experience and Understanding on that -- which I
find has been central to the understanding of the true relationship of
Shiva and Shakti, as well as to the understanding of the 1 and the 12,
the unfoldment of the 27 bodies of consciousness and so on.

> Cutting off of karmic winds has a very different, if not opposite
> effect. It closes the door to downward turning incarnations and sets
> one truly free. It's real signs are unmistakable once achieved.

Yes, *its* real signs are indeed unmistakable once realized; the Self
alone recognizes the Self. Oddly enough, no one else does, I find :-)

If you believe in Self that is. To me Self or self is just  
codependent arising illusion.

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