[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
For instance, in India one is advised not to look at one's own excrement, and sure enough, on those occasions when I do glance at the toilet trout, there's a diminution of awareness. Wow that is some powerful awareness you got there man. How can I get some of that! I'm gunna guess that if you ever had to muck out a horse stall, between the draining effect of animals and the doody factor you would basically pass out from your enlightenednessinmenthood. And the Vedas (laws of manu) say that energy increases with slaves and 12 year old brides. I suppose vedic synchophants will try to get off on that too. Yeah, but if they did that Edg would be on their ass Big-Time. He'd have no problem with them examining their own shit though...that's his specialty. :-) More seriously, FFL has been very entertaining for me lately. Being 30 years away from it all, it still blows my mind that anyone still considers Maharishi an expert on *anything*, much less pets. And the Vedas as a prescription for how to live? Give me a break. What is this thing that people have with wanting to be told how to live? Is it just habit, after all these decades of *being* told how to live, or is it something deeper? Curious minds want to know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Coronation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://www.beingandseeing.com/coronation/ Double click on the 1st one to get an enlarged view, then keep clicking next pretty hilarious...be sure that you scroll down past the puja pix to get to the horse drawn carriages! paper birthday crowns gone wild. What is the event. New Rajas being crowned? Did they take Raja class in VC? Who is the white beard doing the presenting? Is he the head US Raja. That's Hugh Godfrey an English Purusha since day 1. Others? The guy without the beard is the scientist who handed back his research grant because he decided GM food was wrong and MMY had him on lecture tours against GM 8 or 9 years ago, I saw him in London with the artist Bill Witherspoon, all I need is to remember the guys name John Fagan?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: There are many energy drain things that the TMO does not bother to publicize, but which are part of traditional Vedic culture. For instance, in India one is advised not to look at one's own excrement, and sure enough, on those occasions when I do glance at the toilet trout, there's a diminution of awareness. Freud would have a field day with you Bob, probably enough material here for an entire conference. Sounds ridiculous to us, but just because our idiotic nonsustainable scientific culture does not understand how the universe works does not make Vedic culture untrue. I think whether vedic culture is true or not should be studied case by case, this is the belief system of an ancient civilisation some of it will be common sense, some superstition, some bizarre nonsense (to us) some undoubtably true but a mistake to adopt it wholesale, if only to avoid the unedifying sight of otherwise intelligent people hiding from solar eclipses or not visiting friends whose houses have a south entrance. One thing that is commonly overlooked in the mad rush to be first to ridicule vedic stuff is that this info was a description of the many aspects of enlightened life. It was never meant to be perscribed as a code of living for the unenlightened, nor was it meant to be taken as one element at a time. Just as any society appears crazy if its elements are evaluated one at a time, without understanding the underlying consciousness that gives rise to its many laws and codes for living. So its all good fun to howl and bark at the various vedic descriptions/cognitions, keeping in mind that they were not meant to be perscriptions, but instead descriptions. Once the key that ties all of the elements of vedic life is lost, trancendental consciousness, the whole thing is lost, and becomes a mess. At some point, all of these cognitions were probably transformed into codes for living, without the underlying foundation of pure awareness, and then the whole thing goes to hell.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: Does anybody know of M's views on keeping pets? I've heard him say that they are a drain. I always thought he meant of some kind of spiritual energy, but I'm beginning to believe he actually meant a drain of resources and time, being a distraction from program. *** MMY sits on a deerskin to insulate himself from the energy drain from creatures living at a lower level of life. Charlie Lutes told this story many times: MMY was late to a lecture and Charlie had neglected to carry the deerskin from the room to the lecture hall. Charlie sez, I'll go get the skin, but MMY says, never mind, I'll just sit down -- he sits, then jumps up immediately, and sez Charlie go get the skin. While Charlie was running up to the room, MMY is just standing, nodding welcome to the room of people. For TMers, handling pets is a drain on energy in the same way that ordinary people are a drain on a yogi. Of course, pets can be a distraction during TM, but the advice not to handle them is based on this energy drain thing. Because people are fond of pets in many cultures, the TMO only says not to meditate with animals, in order to avoid making people think that Fluffy has to go in order to do TM. Sooner or later, people who continue to do TM will notice the draining effect of handling animals, so they'll discontinue the practice with or without advice on the issue -- ditto with other bad habits, smoking, etc (because people are stressed and twisted in different ways, your mileage may vary, of course, as is obvious with numero uno spokesman David Lynch, who restarted his cigarette habit twenty years after he quit). There are many energy drain things that the TMO does not bother to publicize, but which are part of traditional Vedic culture. For instance, in India one is advised not to look at one's own excrement, and sure enough, on those occasions when I do glance at the toilet trout, there's a diminution of awareness. Sounds ridiculous to us, but just because our idiotic nonsustainable scientific culture does not understand how the universe works does not make Vedic culture untrue. Well said Bob. I find it hilarious the twisted insane things in western culture that are taken for granted, even lauded, and then when these same people living so comfortably in a society with many bizarre notions are exposed to a different way of looking at the world, they redicule it and make fun of it. They all deserve white canes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many energy drain things that the TMO does not bother to publicize, but which are part of traditional Vedic culture. For instance, in India one is advised not to look at one's own excrement, and sure enough, on those occasions when I do glance at the toilet trout, there's a diminution of awareness. Freud would have a field day with you Bob, probably enough material here for an entire conference. Sounds ridiculous to us, but just because our idiotic nonsustainable scientific culture does not understand how the universe works does not make Vedic culture untrue. I think whether vedic culture is true or not should be studied case by case, this is the belief system of an ancient civilisation some of it will be common sense, some superstition, some bizarre nonsense (to us) some undoubtably true but a mistake to adopt it wholesale, if only to avoid the unedifying sight of otherwise intelligent people hiding from solar eclipses or not visiting friends whose houses have a south entrance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from the Dhammapada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, after sixty-one years of meditating, I've not seen any account about certainty in spiritual knowledge that has a claim to certainty. a Knowledge is structured in consciousness is more than a truism. As consciousness changes, so does knowledge. That is why it is so futile when discussing descriptions of consciousness to try for a consensus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For instance, in India one is advised not to look at one's own excrement, and sure enough, on those occasions when I do glance at the toilet trout, there's a diminution of awareness. Wow that is some powerful awareness you got there man. How can I get some of that! I'm gunna guess that if you ever had to muck out a horse stall, between the draining effect of animals and the doody factor you would basically pass out from your enlightenednessinmenthood. And the Vedas (laws of manu) say that energy increases with slaves and 12 year old brides. I suppose vedic synchophants will try to get off on that too. Yeah, but if they did that Edg would be on their ass Big-Time. He'd have no problem with them examining their own shit though...that's his specialty. :-) More seriously, FFL has been very entertaining for me lately. Being 30 years away from it all, it still blows my mind that anyone still considers Maharishi an expert on *anything*, much less pets. And the Vedas as a prescription for how to live? Give me a break. Exactly as you say-- evryone is under the mistaken impression that the vedas are prescription, not description. Without enlightenment, the whole thing becomes a pile of doo doo.
[FairfieldLife] Re: view on Pets: P.S. to paramoocher
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't take my previous post on animal communications as an implicit confession that I am enlightened. I will never confess to anything that stupid. Sidhis can become close to perfect, without enlightenment. They are certainly not an indication of enlightenment, just a clear channel in the physiology. I developed several sidhis before, and after, the dawning of my enlightenment. Why would anyone confess to enlightenment? Makes it sound like a crime. On the other hand, to begin the journey of true, unambiguous, infinite freedom, transcending time and space, and living the joys of it, are anything but a crime, whether you label that state of living as enlightenment, or anything else.
[FairfieldLife] The Aphorisms Of Unc, volume 1
Presented just for a laugh, and as a possible replacement for the Vedas, with IMO just as much potential value for the spiritual seeker: 1. The more concerned seekers are with shielding themselves from people, animals, places and things that drain their energy or personal power, the less likely it is that they have any of it to drain. 2. The more that seekers refer to their path or spiritual technique or tradition as the best or the highest, the more likely it is that they've never tried another one. 3. The more that seekers argue for the rightness or correctness or truth of their path's dogma, the less likely it is that the dogma is any of those things, or that it has any worth. 4. The more convinced the seeker is of his present state of consciousness, the less likely it is that he is correct. Unless his assessment of his state of consciousness is CC (Cluelessness Consciousness), in which case he may be onto something. 5. The more a seeker demands to be taken seriously, the less likely he will be. 6. The higher a seeker considers himself on the evolutionary ladder, the more likely it is that he just hasn't looked up in quite a while. 7. The more beneath him a seeker considers other people, the more likely he is to step on them and use them as stepping stones to climb higher. 8. The more a seeker claims to be moral, the more likely he is to be a closet megalomaniac. 9. The more reverence the seeker has for the words of scriptures and teachers of the past, the less reverence he is likely to have for the words of people around him in the present. 10. The more compelled the seeker is to defend his beliefs and his path, the more worried he is that they aren't true and that he's wasted his life following them. 11. The more that a seeker feels compelled to change others and make them better, the less likely it is that any of their advice, if followed, *would* make the others better. 12. The more that seekers laugh at the attempts of others to make them better, the more likely it is that they're doing just fine, and have no need to be better. 13. In general, the more a seeker laughs, the more likely it is that he's on the right path. Conversely, the more a seeker is serious and demands to be taken seriously, the more likely it is that he's lost his way. 14. Repetition is the mother of anal retention. That is, the more the seeker uses a word to describe others, the more likely it is that he is really describing himself. 15. If a seeker has gone more than a couple of months without expressing an original thought (that is, one that he didn't read somewhere or have told to him by his teacher or tradition or some other expert), chances are he has lost the ability to have an original thought, and may never have one again. 16. The more a seeker claims to know what God wants, the more likely it is that he has mistaken himself for God and what he wants for what God wants. 17. If a seeker doesn't like to be around animals or children, chances are the animals and children don't like to be around him, and he's trying to hide that fact by avoiding them. 18. If a seeker on a spiritual chat board has gone more than a couple of months without describing an event in his personal life that was ecstatic and wonderful and full of light, chances are that there really haven't *been* any of those moments in his life during that period. 19. The more important a seeker considers himself in the cosmic scheme of things, the less likely it is that the cosmos would even notice he was gone if he died. 20. The more spiritual aphorisms you read instead of coming up with your own, the stupider you become. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Story below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Mountain lions can make a screaming noise, though, that is way scary. Go to http://www.bear-tracker.com/cougar.html and you can listen to a 2 second WAV file of a mountain lion's scream. Right before the scream part you can hear a purr just like a house cat's. I can safely say that would put the fear of God into me! Even though I live in England I have a similar story; I was out walking my dog one winters day and out of the corner of my eye saw a large black panther stalking towards us. It was the most amazing thing I'd ever seen and a bit of a fright but I was more worried for my little jack russell terrier, I called her over and the panther ran off, I could clearly see it's long tail, triangular ears and smooth fur. Most would have remained convinced they could trust their eyes and had seen a big cat, after all there are loads of sightings reported. But I decided to hide in the wood every day until I saw it again and got a decent photo. Three freezing cold days I sat in a bush until one clear morning I heard a sound behind me, I spun round and it was there! It was a dog, I interrogated the owner to make sure she had been here that day and her story fitted so well it had to be the explanation, her dog had heard mine yapping and ran over to investigate, it caught me by surprise and my unwitting mind did the rest. Interestingly the dog was the same size but had a short tail and rough hair. I must have subconsciously imagined all the cat- like qualities it had. Which is a surprise, we think our senses give us a dependable view of the world but obviously not. IMO it's the same for most sightings of ghosts and UFOs, we see something out of the corner of our eye and imagination takes over. Consequently I don't believe any of the stories about big cats roaming the English countryside and that tape of a mountain lion underlines it, I've never heard of anyone reporting a noise like that! We only have urban-legends to give us a sense of fear and wonder in the great outdoors, you have the real thing. Be careful out there! **end** The other two times I saw a lion were not too far distant from where I heard the first one, within a mile or two and the best sighting was a late afternoon in July a few years ago. I lived in the town of Yreka, California, and the street I lived on deadended about a mile from my home and there were two different trails you could take into the mountains; old logging roads that had long ago reverted to trails that some ATV riders would use and where I'd ride my mountain bike from time to time. Anyway, that day I'd ridden my bike into the hills and thrown it behind some brush and walked off and up into the hills. I followed a deer trail and in some places I'd have to walk through chapparal and buckbrush that looked a lot like this: http://www.bahiker.com/pictures/eastbay/bdm/websize/125view.jpg and I could easily touch the brush on both sides of me if I extended my arms out to either side. After a few hours of uphill walking my water ran out and I turned around and headed back down, pretty much following the same trail down as I'd used heading up. I was nearly back to where I'd left my bike, still on the deer trail and walking through the buckbrush when I had a feeling that I was in a 'place'. It felt different than just a trail with a distinct feeling of being a location, or place. I stopped and looked around and there was an area around the base of the brush on my right side that looked as if it had seen a lot of traffic; the grass was beaten down and the brush looked as if there was a kind of opening. I bent down, with my hands on my knees and peered into the underbrush. It was late afternoon but it was in July and the sun was still pretty high in the sky. Buckbrush makes a kind of canopy of small leaves with a whole lot of skinny stalks emerging from the center and looking underneath it was darker because of the shadows but still pierced with dappled sunlight. As my eyes adjusted to the shade the first thing I noticed was two golden eyes looking at me, just about at my eye level, maybe a little lower, and then the nose, white muzzle, rounded ears and the recognition of the whole cat, just laying there resting with its forepaws in front and rear legs off to one side. No reaction, just looking back at me, maybe 4 feet away. My impression was that it considered itself still invisible to me and as far as it was concerned, nothing had happened yet. Only about 5
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Aphorisms Of Unc, volume 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presented just for a laugh, and as a possible replacement for the Vedas, with IMO just as much potential value for the spiritual seeker: 1. The more concerned seekers are with shielding themselves from people, animals, places and things that drain their energy or personal power, the less likely it is that they have any of it to drain. 2. The more that seekers refer to their path or spiritual technique or tradition as the best or the highest, the more likely it is that they've never tried another one. 3. The more that seekers argue for the rightness or correctness or truth of their path's dogma, the less likely it is that the dogma is any of those things, or that it has any worth. 4. The more convinced the seeker is of his present state of consciousness, the less likely it is that he is correct. Unless his assessment of his state of consciousness is CC (Cluelessness Consciousness), in which case he may be onto something. 5. The more a seeker demands to be taken seriously, the less likely he will be. 6. The higher a seeker considers himself on the evolutionary ladder, the more likely it is that he just hasn't looked up in quite a while. 7. The more beneath him a seeker considers other people, the more likely he is to step on them and use them as stepping stones to climb higher. 8. The more a seeker claims to be moral, the more likely he is to be a closet megalomaniac. 9. The more reverence the seeker has for the words of scriptures and teachers of the past, the less reverence he is likely to have for the words of people around him in the present. 10. The more compelled the seeker is to defend his beliefs and his path, the more worried he is that they aren't true and that he's wasted his life following them. 11. The more that a seeker feels compelled to change others and make them better, the less likely it is that any of their advice, if followed, *would* make the others better. 12. The more that seekers laugh at the attempts of others to make them better, the more likely it is that they're doing just fine, and have no need to be better. 13. In general, the more a seeker laughs, the more likely it is that he's on the right path. Conversely, the more a seeker is serious and demands to be taken seriously, the more likely it is that he's lost his way. 14. Repetition is the mother of anal retention. That is, the more the seeker uses a word to describe others, the more likely it is that he is really describing himself. 15. If a seeker has gone more than a couple of months without expressing an original thought (that is, one that he didn't read somewhere or have told to him by his teacher or tradition or some other expert), chances are he has lost the ability to have an original thought, and may never have one again. 16. The more a seeker claims to know what God wants, the more likely it is that he has mistaken himself for God and what he wants for what God wants. 17. If a seeker doesn't like to be around animals or children, chances are the animals and children don't like to be around him, and he's trying to hide that fact by avoiding them. 18. If a seeker on a spiritual chat board has gone more than a couple of months without describing an event in his personal life that was ecstatic and wonderful and full of light, chances are that there really haven't *been* any of those moments in his life during that period. 19. The more important a seeker considers himself in the cosmic scheme of things, the less likely it is that the cosmos would even notice he was gone if he died. 20. The more spiritual aphorisms you read instead of coming up with your own, the stupider you become. :-) Brilliant, genius, spot on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: I think whether vedic culture is true or not should be studied case by case, this is the belief system of an ancient civilisation some of it will be common sense, some superstition, some bizarre nonsense (to us)some undoubtably true but a mistake to adopt it wholesale, if only to avoid the unedifying sight of otherwise intelligent people hiding from solar eclipses or not visiting friends whose houses have a south entrance. One thing that is commonly overlooked in the mad rush to be first to ridicule vedic stuff is that this info was a description of the many aspects of enlightened life. It was never meant to be perscribed as a code of living for the unenlightened, nor was it meant to be taken as one element at a time. Just as any society appears crazy if its elements are evaluated one at a time, without understanding the underlying consciousness that gives rise to its many laws and codes for living. So its all good fun to howl and bark at the various vedic descriptions/cognitions, keeping in mind that they were not meant to be perscriptions, but instead descriptions. Once the key that ties all of the elements of vedic life is lost, trancendental consciousness, the whole thing is lost, and becomes a mess. At some point, all of these cognitions were probably transformed into codes for living, without the underlying foundation of pure awareness, and then the whole thing goes to hell. I was not howling and barking at vedic civilisation, of course they were scared of eclipses they were probably sun-worshippers, that doesn't mean we have to follow them indoors when nature produces one it's ultimate free light shows. Yet people in the TMO do. They claim to be into science but they just accept this stuff without question, I know, I've tried to reason people out of it but it's a if it's vedic it's true thing. Each to there own but I think it's a shame to limit yourself. I reckon a new enlightened civilisation would implement the discoveries of it's own science into it's explanation of reality, we have relativity, quantum physics and an understanding of evolution through natural selection. These are the high points of human achievement, so far. They are objectively verifiable, the vedic civilisation didn't have this logical way of revealing natures secrets. It's no shame to enjoy the fruits of their inner wisdom and meditate while at the same time understanding that their view of the world and codes for living are just that, an attempt to explain nature and a way of organising society. It's the TMO that has it wrong by trying to re-introduce this as though it's absolute truth, instead of seeing it for what it is, a sometimes beautiful and sometimes weird and even revolting (to us) way of life. IMO getting to know you're inner-self should be liberating not enslave you to the past.
[FairfieldLife] 'We're All Like King Tut...'
And, we all Shine On... On, and on and on... Like the moon, and the stars and the Sun. And we all Shine On. BTW Message from Chief Seattle: My brother, I tell you true. If all who see the Earth as being poisoned would, instead, give more attention to seeing the Earth clean and vibrant, then, very soon, your Earth would be cleansed. If all who see their nation's leaders as misguided or uncaring would, instead, give more time to seeing themselves being represented by responsible, caring leaders who stand firm for the highest good of all, then, very soon, you would have good leadership. If all who see their spouses or family members as troublesome or unloving would, instead, give more thought to seeing their loved ones as the shining children of God that they are, then, very soon, all challenged relationships would be renewed and love rekindled. If all who see themselves as sick or poor or weak of heart or undeserving would, instead, give more energy to seeing themselves as healthy, abundant, empowered, worthy, and lifted up, then, very soon, they would experience all of the good things that life has to offer. If all who see themselves as a physical body and no more would, instead, give more thought to seeing themselves as an ever-brightening star that resides inside the body, then, very soon, everyone in your world would be shining their lights--just as all of the Elders who have walked your Earth have done. You would be living in peace, harmony, and comfort in a culture that you have created consciously, a culture which, by your divine right of birth, you deserve to enjoy. Each challenge is there to guide you toward the desire of your heart Each problem, seen from the positive side, always turns into a blessing Each sorrow leads you to your joy Each doubt--to your knowing Each lack--to your abundance Each debt--to your freedom Each feeling of hopelessness--to your power Each cry of pain--to your comfort Each act of war--to your peace Each act of anger--to your love And each journey through darkness--into the light. My Intention for today is: I am holding a vision in my mind of my Intentions having already manifested. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Coronation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least we now have the answer to the age old question: Is there anything on earth gayer than a Cher concert. Guffaw!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does hyoid bone vibration invalidate origin and intention in the heart chakra? I would think the hyoid bone being in the neck would make the origin in the throat chakra.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
On Nov 5, 2007, at 4:48 PM, bob_brigante wrote: MMY sits on a deerskin to insulate himself from the energy drain from creatures living at a lower level of life. Bullshit. A deerskin asana is for power, money, to magnetize followers and for siddhis.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
On Nov 5, 2007, at 4:48 PM, bob_brigante wrote: For TMers, handling pets is a drain on energy in the same way that ordinary people are a drain on a yogi. Of course, pets can be a distraction during TM, but the advice not to handle them is based on this energy drain thing. Because people are fond of pets in many cultures, the TMO only says not to meditate with animals, in order to avoid making people think that Fluffy has to go in order to do TM. Haven't met any real yogis, have you?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Prissy Blissy vs Hard-Corp John Wayne Spiritualism
On Nov 5, 2007, at 10:25 PM, new.morning wrote: (And the notion of some that MMY is an aghori is, well, quite laughable.) Who on earth would make such a crazy claim? That truly IS hilarious, if true.
Re: [FairfieldLife] I'm not Swiss but I know how to Godel (Re: What's all this on loan crap?)
Yes, but how do you really feel? On Nov 5, 2007, at 11:53 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq, I'm new to this forum, but I'm interested in this fascinating feud. Are you really serious about Never? Angela, if you check out his posts about us, I think you'll see pretty quickly that while he has a desperate need for others to believe he's not taking us seriously--maybe even for himself to believe it--it's a crock. That goes for anyone else who confronts him; it's not just us. Barry (Turq) goes to great lengths to pretend he's a carefree and happy-go-luck guy, but in fact he himself has terrible anger issues. He's desperately angry with himself but constantly takes it out on other people. Basically, at least in terms of what he posts (it's possible he's different in everyday life), he's a phony. There's a perfectly fine human being underneath all the armor, but for some reason, probably long ago, he was made to believe that person was unacceptable, and he's spent the rest of his life constructing a false persona to hide his real self. Such a tactic never really works, of course, and you see evidence of how dysfunctional it is in his hypocrisy and compulsive dishonesty. Disagreement and criticism terrify him because they both threaten his armor and validate his opinion of his real self as unacceptable. He's in an awful bind, and one has to feel sorry for him on some level, but he's so consistently viciously obnoxious it tends to overwhelm any compassion one might feel. One just wants him to drop the act and be authentic, and the only way to do that seems to be to keep pounding away at the armor in the hope that one day it'll just give way. That's a quick summary...
[FairfieldLife] A Real Yogi with Animals
From: _Blazing Splendor_ (excerpt) For animal lovers. -Vaj. One of the many amazing stories from Blazing Splendor: The Memoirs of Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche http://www.rangjung.com/blazing/ Blog at: http://blazing-splendor.blogspot.com/ from the chapter: At Tsurphu with the Karmapa Many extraordinary things happened in the company of the Karmapa. For example, he kept hundreds of birds. Karsey Kongtrul had given him a bird will extremely melodious voice, which was very dear to him. When this bird got sick he kept it alone in a special room. One day he was told that the bird was dying and he asked that it be brought to him. The bird was placed on the table before him. This bird needs a special blessing, he said. So he took a small vessel with mustard seeds and made his usual chant for dispelling obstacles as he threw some of the grains on the bird. Suddenly he said, There's nothing more to do--it is dying. No blessing can prevent it Then he turned to me, saying, Pick it up and hold it in your hand. The bird was still alive and it sat there in my palm with one eye half-open. But soon I saw its head slump, then its wings. But, strangely enough, the bird then straightened back up and simply sat there. An attendant whispered, It's in samadhi! I didn't want to disturb it, so I asked him to put it on the table. The attendant seemed used to handling birds in this state, because he didn't disturb it as he put the bird down. Somewhat astonished, I commented to the attendant, How remarkable! A bird that sits up straight right after death!?! That's nothing special. They all do it, he replied matter-of-factly. A second attendant chimed in, Every single bird from the Karmapa's aviary that dies sits up for a while after death. But we're so used to this, it has ceased to amaze us. When birds die, I objected, they keel over and fall off their branch to the ground--they don't keep sitting! Well, when the Karmapa is around, this is what they do, replied the attendant. But you're right--when he's away, they die the normal way. At this point everyone had arrived for dinner and I had to sit down, however I couldn't help keeping my eye on the bird while we ate. Halfway through dinner its right wing slumped and soon after the left followed. An attendant whispered, Wish-Fulfilling Jewel, it seems the samadhi is about to finish. The Karmapa paid no attention and kept eating, even when the bird finally keeled over. I looked at my watch--approximately three hours had gone by. No matter what the attendants said, I was still pretty amazed because I saw it die in my hands. Most people probably wouldn't believe this unless they saw it with their own eyes. The Karmapa was very fond of dogs as well and he had several Pekingese that, I was told, also died sitting up with their forelegs parallel. In short, the Karmapa was an incredible human being.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I reckon a new enlightened civilisation would implement the discoveries of it's own science into it's explanation of reality, we have relativity, quantum physics and an understanding of evolution through natural selection. These are the high points of human achievement, so far. They are objectively verifiable, the vedic civilisation didn't have this logical way of revealing natures secrets. It's no shame to enjoy the fruits of their inner wisdom and meditate while at the same time understanding that their view of the world and codes for living are just that, an attempt to explain nature and a way of organising society. It's the TMO that has it wrong by trying to re-introduce this as though it's absolute truth, instead of seeing it for what it is, a sometimes beautiful and sometimes weird and even revolting (to us) way of life. IMO getting to know you're inner-self should be liberating not enslave you to the past. I agree completely with this. No, you were not howling and barking, but some were, in their headlong attempt to discredit something that needs no discrediting. What the TMO is doing is trying to emulate enlightened action vs gaining the enlightenment first. As I said, the vedic literature is descriptive, not perscriptive. Just like Buddha naturally practiced mindfulness, because it is a natural result of enlightenment, and yet many buddhists see it as a prescriptive action to gain enlightenment. All of the religions do the same thing, and to the extent that the TMO is a religious org, they do too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
If FF really is a place, still, where MMY says is a conversation stopper, its not that far from the pope said, the furher said, the chairman said, jesus said, god said (via our preacher), the good book says, etc. FF is such a place in my experience. And belief is a powerful thing that can do all kinds of interesting things to awareness. Derrida cites the case of a woman in the middle ages who died BECAUSE she believed she would upon staying in a bathtub full of water for several hours. So I have no trouble with believing a dude can grow dim by staring at his turd. Floaters are more dangerous than sinkers in my opinion. a new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snip For TMers, handling pets is a drain on energy in the same way that ordinary people are a drain on a yogi. Snip For instance, in India one is advised not to look at one's own excrement, and sure enough, on those occasions when I do glance at the toilet trout, there's a diminution of awareness. Wow that is some powerful awareness you got there man. How can I get some of that! I'm gunna guess that if you ever had to muck out a horse stall, between the draining effect of animals and the doody factor you would basically pass out from your enlightenednessinmenthood. And the Vedas (laws of manu) say that energy increases with slaves and 12 year old brides. I suppose vedic synchophants will try to get off on that too. An interesting experiment: Six groups. 2 of those predisposed to believing the vedas are to be taken literally, and all directives are good, and relevant to this age -- as they are the supreme truth. @ are like the above, but substitute bible for vedas. 2 groups don't have much belief in much. Tell one subgroup in all three groups 30 different things the scriptures say (whether they do or not). Tell the other 3 subgroups a different 30 things. Then observe which groups feel, see and experience what the scriptures said were good -- or true. Like terds draining energy. No one has disproven that terds drain energy. Nore has it been proven. But without a meaningful theoreticial foundation, the hypothesis is rather weak. What is the hypothesized mechanism: shit warps the fabric and creates a fartish field effect in the purity of the universal field of ground state consciousness? Terds bend the time-space continuum in the vector where it intersects the quantum field? And the theoretical foundation that slavery is good? And 40 year old men marrying 12 year olds is a good thing? When one takes 'the vedas, or anything, as the highest knowledge, and suspends their own critical facilities -- and common sense -- there is a vulnerability created. If a mass of people do this similtaneously, then some sort of deranged collective behavior is possible. To this extent, that collective groups have suspended their critical faculties for some esoteric, unsubstantiated premise, then there is a parallel thread across such groups. Different intensities and different levels of abheration, but still a common thread. Whether the mind-disabling belief is in vedic, christian or islamic myths, arayan virtures, the moral superiority of christianity, new age babble, peace / love / and drugs, the workers' paradise, god and country, neo-con democratic transformation, massive conspiracies, etc. If FF really is a place, still, where MMY says is a conversation stopper, its not that far from the pope said, the furher said, the chairman said, jesus said, god said (via our preacher), the good book says, etc. Even Donald Duck got it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-PZVrWvJM0 And when emotion rules reason. It SEEMS so.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvp3zAPraF4 Sounds ridiculous to us, No, not at all. A grown man feels a diminution of awarenss from seeing his own turd, sounds like unbounded cosmic awareness to me. but just because our idiotic nonsustainable scientific culture does not understand how the universe works does not make Vedic culture untrue. The Vedas reveal the knowledge of the power of peering at poopie to all men. I'm gunna guess that you feel a similar diminution of awareness from being around menstruating women. That is another thing that the brilliant Vedas are sure about that modern don't understand. Dude if I didn't believe all this stuff myself for years I could be on a high horse about it all. The truth is that when I hear you spout this stuff I am so happy that I escaped this prison of specialness. You can have it all man. Every last phobia about the natural world, your body, women's bodies, other people, animals, food, clothing, your door's direction, the seasons of the year... Send instant
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
On Nov 6, 2007, at 4:52 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: Once the key that ties all of the elements of vedic life is lost, trancendental consciousness, the whole thing is lost, and becomes a mess. At some point, all of these cognitions were probably transformed into codes for living, without the underlying foundation of pure awareness, and then the whole thing goes to hell. Not really familiar with the dharma and artha shastras, are you?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Coronation
In a message dated 11/5/07 9:11:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Double click on the 1st one to get an enlarged view, then keep clicking next pretty hilarious... pretty hilarious...WBRbe sure that you scroll down get to the horse drawn carriages! paper birthday crowns gone wild. The only thing missing are the gold teeth. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
In a message dated 11/6/07 6:54:12 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For TMers, handling pets is a drain on energy in the same way that ordinary people are a drain on a yogi. Of course, pets can be a distraction during TM, but the advice not to handle them is based on this energy drain thing. Because people are fond of pets in many cultures, the TMO only says not to meditate with animals, in order to avoid making people think that Fluffy has to go in order to do TM. Haven't met any real yogis, have you? I guess my concern for the Steers being bought to clear the fields of Johnson grass is the responsibility issue. What are they going to be fed once the Johnson grass has been eaten? Who is going to buy them food and round them up every time they go through the poorly built fences. They got a dog several months ago and now they want everybody to chip in for it's food because they feel embarrassed to submit a food bill to the office for dog food. You also have a care taker who's time is going to be consumed with watching after the cattle. What happens when the movement decides no money for food or vet bills and nobody wants to pay for their up keep. They end up being sold or given away to somebody who could then end up sending them to a slaughter house. This whole thing has not been thought out clearly. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: view on Pets: P.S. to paramoocher
I don't have a problem with transcending time and space--in fact I like it, and, after sixty-one years of meditation, that's pretty much a given. But I shall not say I am enlightened because I have no wish to create that kind of boundary between me and others. I don't like the gyrations folks go through to achieve this amazing state or the stories they invent to explain it or tell themselves they've got it. I don't like all the pompous crap that people spout about being enlightened. I dislike the arrogance I see associated with it. I see a lot of mindless acceptance of beliefs among the so-called enlightened, and a diminution in reasoning power. Moreover, I see anemia, a kind of prissy weakness. You'd think enlightenment would give you better health and better mental powers. I just don't see that around town. I don't reject the Vedas as a whole, nor do I swallow them whole. And it's a cheap shot on several levels to say, You don't understand the Veda's cause you're not enlightened. a jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't take my previous post on animal communications as an implicit confession that I am enlightened. I will never confess to anything that stupid. Sidhis can become close to perfect, without enlightenment. They are certainly not an indication of enlightenment, just a clear channel in the physiology. I developed several sidhis before, and after, the dawning of my enlightenment. Why would anyone confess to enlightenment? Makes it sound like a crime. On the other hand, to begin the journey of true, unambiguous, infinite freedom, transcending time and space, and living the joys of it, are anything but a crime, whether you label that state of living as enlightenment, or anything else. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Coronation
http://www.beingandseeing.com/coronation/ My responses: Jesus, are we all getting old! Where are all the white women? Poodles looks great! Love the cell phone next to the puja set! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from the Dhammapada
That is a very good point. It's also true that knowledge is different in different universes. I tend to avoid universes in which catching a glimpse of a toilet trout dims my mind.a jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, after sixty-one years of meditating, I've not seen any account about certainty in spiritual knowledge that has a claim to certainty. a Knowledge is structured in consciousness is more than a truism. As consciousness changes, so does knowledge. That is why it is so futile when discussing descriptions of consciousness to try for a consensus. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Aphorisms Of Unc, volume 1
i love these. publishable. do it. TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presented just for a laugh, and as a possible replacement for the Vedas, with IMO just as much potential value for the spiritual seeker: 1. The more concerned seekers are with shielding themselves from people, animals, places and things that drain their energy or personal power, the less likely it is that they have any of it to drain. 2. The more that seekers refer to their path or spiritual technique or tradition as the best or the highest, the more likely it is that they've never tried another one. 3. The more that seekers argue for the rightness or correctness or truth of their path's dogma, the less likely it is that the dogma is any of those things, or that it has any worth. 4. The more convinced the seeker is of his present state of consciousness, the less likely it is that he is correct. Unless his assessment of his state of consciousness is CC (Cluelessness Consciousness), in which case he may be onto something. 5. The more a seeker demands to be taken seriously, the less likely he will be. 6. The higher a seeker considers himself on the evolutionary ladder, the more likely it is that he just hasn't looked up in quite a while. 7. The more beneath him a seeker considers other people, the more likely he is to step on them and use them as stepping stones to climb higher. 8. The more a seeker claims to be moral, the more likely he is to be a closet megalomaniac. 9. The more reverence the seeker has for the words of scriptures and teachers of the past, the less reverence he is likely to have for the words of people around him in the present. 10. The more compelled the seeker is to defend his beliefs and his path, the more worried he is that they aren't true and that he's wasted his life following them. 11. The more that a seeker feels compelled to change others and make them better, the less likely it is that any of their advice, if followed, *would* make the others better. 12. The more that seekers laugh at the attempts of others to make them better, the more likely it is that they're doing just fine, and have no need to be better. 13. In general, the more a seeker laughs, the more likely it is that he's on the right path. Conversely, the more a seeker is serious and demands to be taken seriously, the more likely it is that he's lost his way. 14. Repetition is the mother of anal retention. That is, the more the seeker uses a word to describe others, the more likely it is that he is really describing himself. 15. If a seeker has gone more than a couple of months without expressing an original thought (that is, one that he didn't read somewhere or have told to him by his teacher or tradition or some other expert), chances are he has lost the ability to have an original thought, and may never have one again. 16. The more a seeker claims to know what God wants, the more likely it is that he has mistaken himself for God and what he wants for what God wants. 17. If a seeker doesn't like to be around animals or children, chances are the animals and children don't like to be around him, and he's trying to hide that fact by avoiding them. 18. If a seeker on a spiritual chat board has gone more than a couple of months without describing an event in his personal life that was ecstatic and wonderful and full of light, chances are that there really haven't *been* any of those moments in his life during that period. 19. The more important a seeker considers himself in the cosmic scheme of things, the less likely it is that the cosmos would even notice he was gone if he died. 20. The more spiritual aphorisms you read instead of coming up with your own, the stupider you become. :-) Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
So now, if my experience of perceiving a retinal projection of my own excrement doesn't diminish my awareness, then that's proof I'm not enlightened? This is great. We now have a test. a jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For instance, in India one is advised not to look at one's own excrement, and sure enough, on those occasions when I do glance at the toilet trout, there's a diminution of awareness. Wow that is some powerful awareness you got there man. How can I get some of that! I'm gunna guess that if you ever had to muck out a horse stall, between the draining effect of animals and the doody factor you would basically pass out from your enlightenednessinmenthood. And the Vedas (laws of manu) say that energy increases with slaves and 12 year old brides. I suppose vedic synchophants will try to get off on that too. Yeah, but if they did that Edg would be on their ass Big-Time. He'd have no problem with them examining their own shit though...that's his specialty. :-) More seriously, FFL has been very entertaining for me lately. Being 30 years away from it all, it still blows my mind that anyone still considers Maharishi an expert on *anything*, much less pets. And the Vedas as a prescription for how to live? Give me a break. Exactly as you say-- evryone is under the mistaken impression that the vedas are prescription, not description. Without enlightenment, the whole thing becomes a pile of doo doo. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 5, 2007, at 4:48 PM, bob_brigante wrote: MMY sits on a deerskin to insulate himself from the energy drain from creatures living at a lower level of life. Bullshit. A deerskin asana is for power, money, to magnetize followers and for siddhis. ...among other things. But of course by taking it completely out of context, you make it sound malevolent. A deerskin does exactly what Bob has said it does. Intuition my dear fellow, intuition.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
On Nov 6, 2007, at 8:25 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 5, 2007, at 4:48 PM, bob_brigante wrote: MMY sits on a deerskin to insulate himself from the energy drain from creatures living at a lower level of life. Bullshit. A deerskin asana is for power, money, to magnetize followers and for siddhis. ...among other things. But of course by taking it completely out of context, you make it sound malevolent. A deerskin does exactly what Bob has said it does. Intuition my dear fellow, intuition. Whether or not it's malevolent depends on the intention behind it. My intuition would tell me, it's a bullshit answer to dupe TMers and that it is clear why a person obsessed with world domination would want one (other than it's part of the get-up Mahesh likes when he's on tape or in front of an audience). If you want to pose as a yogi or a rishi, it always helps to dress the part...and people fall for it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Aphorisms Of Unc, volume 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presented just for a laugh, and as a possible replacement for the Vedas, with IMO just as much potential value for the spiritual seeker: 1. The more concerned seekers are with shielding themselves from people, animals, places and things that drain their energy or personal power, the less likely it is that they have any of it to drain. 2. The more that seekers refer to their path or spiritual technique or tradition as the best or the highest, the more likely it is that they've never tried another one. 3. The more that seekers argue for the rightness or correctness or truth of their path's dogma, the less likely it is that the dogma is any of those things, or that it has any worth. 4. The more convinced the seeker is of his present state of consciousness, the less likely it is that he is correct. Unless his assessment of his state of consciousness is CC (Cluelessness Consciousness), in which case he may be onto something. 5. The more a seeker demands to be taken seriously, the less likely he will be. 6. The higher a seeker considers himself on the evolutionary ladder, the more likely it is that he just hasn't looked up in quite a while. 7. The more beneath him a seeker considers other people, the more likely he is to step on them and use them as stepping stones to climb higher. 8. The more a seeker claims to be moral, the more likely he is to be a closet megalomaniac. 9. The more reverence the seeker has for the words of scriptures and teachers of the past, the less reverence he is likely to have for the words of people around him in the present. 10. The more compelled the seeker is to defend his beliefs and his path, the more worried he is that they aren't true and that he's wasted his life following them. 11. The more that a seeker feels compelled to change others and make them better, the less likely it is that any of their advice, if followed, *would* make the others better. 12. The more that seekers laugh at the attempts of others to make them better, the more likely it is that they're doing just fine, and have no need to be better. 13. In general, the more a seeker laughs, the more likely it is that he's on the right path. Conversely, the more a seeker is serious and demands to be taken seriously, the more likely it is that he's lost his way. 14. Repetition is the mother of anal retention. That is, the more the seeker uses a word to describe others, the more likely it is that he is really describing himself. 15. If a seeker has gone more than a couple of months without expressing an original thought (that is, one that he didn't read somewhere or have told to him by his teacher or tradition or some other expert), chances are he has lost the ability to have an original thought, and may never have one again. 16. The more a seeker claims to know what God wants, the more likely it is that he has mistaken himself for God and what he wants for what God wants. 17. If a seeker doesn't like to be around animals or children, chances are the animals and children don't like to be around him, and he's trying to hide that fact by avoiding them. 18. If a seeker on a spiritual chat board has gone more than a couple of months without describing an event in his personal life that was ecstatic and wonderful and full of light, chances are that there really haven't *been* any of those moments in his life during that period. 19. The more important a seeker considers himself in the cosmic scheme of things, the less likely it is that the cosmos would even notice he was gone if he died. 20. The more spiritual aphorisms you read instead of coming up with your own, the stupider you become. :-) 21. Those that contnuously claim there is nowhere to go, go nowhere.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
And causation lies in the physical mechanism of the chakra? My throat chakra is who is speaking now. But where is it written that I didn't get this impulse from the heart chakra? If I were a guru, I would for sure utter some hopeless crap just to see who can think for himself and who can't. In fact, I am a guru, but I try to get over it as much as possible. And what kind of guru is it who wouldn't love to see you go beyond him? Only to meet there again? Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does hyoid bone vibration invalidate origin and intention in the heart chakra? I would think the hyoid bone being in the neck would make the origin in the throat chakra. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
Maybe the deer skin can do both? Or, maybe, deerskins used to do it all back in Vedic times, but now, they've passed on this siddhi to acrylics. Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 5, 2007, at 4:48 PM, bob_brigante wrote: MMY sits on a deerskin to insulate himself from the energy drain from creatures living at a lower level of life. Bullshit. A deerskin asana is for power, money, to magnetize followers and for siddhis. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from the Dhammapada
This whole turd in the toilet problem (TTP) is just another example of the confounding of states of mind with pure consciousness. I have no problem believing that the darshan of human waste would diminish ones mental state due to its tamasic nature, but would it impact pure consciousness, no. Another comment: how weak does one's mind have to be to be impacted by TTP? Pretty weak in my book. --- Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is a very good point. It's also true that knowledge is different in different universes. I tend to avoid universes in which catching a glimpse of a toilet trout dims my mind.a jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, after sixty-one years of meditating, I've not seen any account about certainty in spiritual knowledge that has a claim to certainty. a Knowledge is structured in consciousness is more than a truism. As consciousness changes, so does knowledge. That is why it is so futile when discussing descriptions of consciousness to try for a consensus. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Aphorisms Of Unc, volume 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip 20. The more spiritual aphorisms you read instead of coming up with your own, the stupider you become. :-) 21. The more spiritual aphorisms you come up with in an attempt to discredit spiritual paths, the angrier you are about your own inability to find one of your own.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Aphorisms Of Unc, volume 1
Do you mean that nowhere is not a good place to be? It's the only safe place in my experience. jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presented just for a laugh, and as a possible replacement for the Vedas, with IMO just as much potential value for the spiritual seeker: 1. The more concerned seekers are with shielding themselves from people, animals, places and things that drain their energy or personal power, the less likely it is that they have any of it to drain. 2. The more that seekers refer to their path or spiritual technique or tradition as the best or the highest, the more likely it is that they've never tried another one. 3. The more that seekers argue for the rightness or correctness or truth of their path's dogma, the less likely it is that the dogma is any of those things, or that it has any worth. 4. The more convinced the seeker is of his present state of consciousness, the less likely it is that he is correct. Unless his assessment of his state of consciousness is CC (Cluelessness Consciousness), in which case he may be onto something. 5. The more a seeker demands to be taken seriously, the less likely he will be. 6. The higher a seeker considers himself on the evolutionary ladder, the more likely it is that he just hasn't looked up in quite a while. 7. The more beneath him a seeker considers other people, the more likely he is to step on them and use them as stepping stones to climb higher. 8. The more a seeker claims to be moral, the more likely he is to be a closet megalomaniac. 9. The more reverence the seeker has for the words of scriptures and teachers of the past, the less reverence he is likely to have for the words of people around him in the present. 10. The more compelled the seeker is to defend his beliefs and his path, the more worried he is that they aren't true and that he's wasted his life following them. 11. The more that a seeker feels compelled to change others and make them better, the less likely it is that any of their advice, if followed, *would* make the others better. 12. The more that seekers laugh at the attempts of others to make them better, the more likely it is that they're doing just fine, and have no need to be better. 13. In general, the more a seeker laughs, the more likely it is that he's on the right path. Conversely, the more a seeker is serious and demands to be taken seriously, the more likely it is that he's lost his way. 14. Repetition is the mother of anal retention. That is, the more the seeker uses a word to describe others, the more likely it is that he is really describing himself. 15. If a seeker has gone more than a couple of months without expressing an original thought (that is, one that he didn't read somewhere or have told to him by his teacher or tradition or some other expert), chances are he has lost the ability to have an original thought, and may never have one again. 16. The more a seeker claims to know what God wants, the more likely it is that he has mistaken himself for God and what he wants for what God wants. 17. If a seeker doesn't like to be around animals or children, chances are the animals and children don't like to be around him, and he's trying to hide that fact by avoiding them. 18. If a seeker on a spiritual chat board has gone more than a couple of months without describing an event in his personal life that was ecstatic and wonderful and full of light, chances are that there really haven't *been* any of those moments in his life during that period. 19. The more important a seeker considers himself in the cosmic scheme of things, the less likely it is that the cosmos would even notice he was gone if he died. 20. The more spiritual aphorisms you read instead of coming up with your own, the stupider you become. :-) 21. Those that contnuously claim there is nowhere to go, go nowhere. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Coronation
Wonderful poem. Thanks. Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.beingandseeing.com/coronation/ My responses: Jesus, are we all getting old! Where are all the white women? Poodles looks great! Love the cell phone next to the puja set! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Coronation
An extended haiku --- Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonderful poem. Thanks. Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.beingandseeing.com/coronation/ My responses: Jesus, are we all getting old! Where are all the white women? Poodles looks great! Love the cell phone next to the puja set! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Shemp, here's a problem for ya now. It no longer matters if global warming is real. The real question is a matter of possibilities and what a prudent mind would do faced with a risks chart. I'll be really surprised if you can come up with a cogent response to this video's logic. And, in fact, I'm expecting nothing to be posted about this from you, or at best, you'll squeak out some snide flame that proves only that you're incapable of logic. Prove me wrong. Can't, even if I wanted to. I went to the link provided below and youtube had the following message posted: The url contained a malformed video id. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: HYPERLINK http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=bDsIFspVzfIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b DsIFspVzfI No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 7:11 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Aphorisms Of Unc, volume 1
I've heard a rumor...in fact, I've heard MMY say that the enlightened yogi can drink poison without ill effect. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip 20. The more spiritual aphorisms you read instead of coming up with your own, the stupider you become. :-) 21. The more spiritual aphorisms you come up with in an attempt to discredit spiritual paths, the angrier you are about your own inability to find one of your own. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
On Nov 6, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Angela Mailander wrote: Maybe the deer skin can do both? Or, maybe, deerskins used to do it all back in Vedic times, but now, they've passed on this siddhi to acrylics. Well it would certainly insulate you from the ground, but from lower beings? IME asanas (mats, animals skins, various cloths to sit on, etc.) used for sadhana are more like talismans which collect energy over time--thus the prohibitions against people touching them, etc. Asanas also seem to me to be something used and described in Tantric and Yogic literature, not in the Vedas per se.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
And while we're at it, here's another thing. I have it on very good authority that the folks at Radiance Dairy will let a cow die a very painful death of mastitis because if they give her antibiotics, they can no longer sell her milk, should she survive. They also don't give her pain killers, and of course, they never do euthanasia on an intensely suffering animal. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/6/07 6:54:12 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For TMers, handling pets is a drain on energy in the same way that ordinary people are a drain on a yogi. Of course, pets can be a distraction during TM, but the advice not to handle them is based on this energy drain thing. Because people are fond of pets in many cultures, the TMO only says not to meditate with animals, in order to avoid making people think that Fluffy has to go in order to do TM. Haven't met any real yogis, have you? I guess my concern for the Steers being bought to clear the fields of Johnson grass is the responsibility issue. What are they going to be fed once the Johnson grass has been eaten? Who is going to buy them food and round them up every time they go through the poorly built fences. They got a dog several months ago and now they want everybody to chip in for it's food because they feel embarrassed to submit a food bill to the office for dog food. You also have a care taker who's time is going to be consumed with watching after the cattle. What happens when the movement decides no money for food or vet bills and nobody wants to pay for their up keep. They end up being sold or given away to somebody who could then end up sending them to a slaughter house. This whole thing has not been thought out clearly. - See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
Well Shemp, here's a problem for ya now. It no longer matters if global warming is real. The real question is a matter of possibilities and what a prudent mind would do faced with a risks chart. I'll be really surprised if you can come up with a cogent response to this video's logic. And, in fact, I'm expecting nothing to be posted about this from you, or at best, you'll squeak out some snide flame that proves only that you're incapable of logic. Prove me wrong. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HYPERLINK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDsIFspVzfIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b DsIFspVzfI No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 7:11 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from the Dhammapada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This whole turd in the toilet problem (TTP) is just another example of the confounding of states of mind with pure consciousness. I have no problem believing that the darshan of human waste would diminish ones mental state due to its tamasic nature, but would it impact pure consciousness, no. Bob said he experienced a diminution of awareness. Not clear whether he mental state or pure consciousness. Perhaps he'd be willing to clarify... Another comment: how weak does one's mind have to be to be impacted by TTP? Pretty weak in my book. Maybe it would be a matter of degree: the stronger the mind, the more negligible the impact. But you would have to have an invincible mind for there to be no impact at all. I suspect Jim is right; these are DEscriptions, not PREscriptions. If you don't experience a drain of whatever from looking at a turd, it doesn't do your whatever enough harm to worry about.
[FairfieldLife] TTP Alert!!
Don't these kids know about the dangers of TTP (aka diminished consciousness)? The horror, the horror! http://tinyurl.com/2cc2jq __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from the Dhammapada
Angela Mailander Causation is a concept in trouble, and I for one, am glad to hear it since it has always seemed flimsy to me. There are only two things that are certain in life, Angela: death and taxes. However, it is a generally accepted observation that human excrement ALWAYS flows downstream. This observation applies to the demi-Gods as well as to humans. If this were not so, then, we could expect monkeys to fly up out of our ass instead of shit.
[FairfieldLife] And now for the rest of the story...
I finally realized what all these Rajas at the Coronation Ceremony table look like: They look like a bunch of Hell's Angels who were forced, at gunpoint, to become Born Again Christians, showered and scrubbed clean by 12-year-old virgins betrothed to the prophet of a compound of polygamists in rural Utah, and then been given a make-over by a contingent of Gay Hairdressers from Middle Earth. [Photo #1] Photo #1
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from the Dhammapada
jstein wrote: If you don't experience a drain of whatever from looking at a turd, it doesn't do your whatever enough harm to worry about. So, you DO visually examine your turds after each evacuation - I thought so. Do they go down the outhouse hole or float downstream? At my place, the hole is very deep and dark so it's difficult to know what the actual turds look like. Sometimes though, I can see them actually floating downstream. But I don't usually wade out into the stream to retrieve them: I just let them go and don't worry about it much.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Coronation--What They're Really Thinking
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:05 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Coronation--What They're Really Thinking HYPERLINK http://www.beingandseeing.com/coronation/content/11711_large.htmlhttp://ww w.beingandseeing.com/coronation/content/11711_large.html Who *is* that babe over there? Well, it is Holland, nudity's legal. It wasn’t Holland. This all took place right here in Vedic City. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 7:11 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Aphorisms Of Unc, volume 1
TurquoiseB wrote: 20. The more spiritual aphorisms you read instead of coming up with your own, the stupider you become. Question: What would a materialist like you be doing writing spiritual aphorisms? Go figure. Presented just for a laugh, and as a possible replacement for the Vedas, with IMO just as much potential value for the spiritual seeker: 1. The more concerned seekers are with shielding themselves from people, animals, places and things that drain their energy or personal power, the less likely it is that they have any of it to drain. 2. The more that seekers refer to their path or spiritual technique or tradition as the best or the highest, the more likely it is that they've never tried another one. 3. The more that seekers argue for the rightness or correctness or truth of their path's dogma, the less likely it is that the dogma is any of those things, or that it has any worth. 4. The more convinced the seeker is of his present state of consciousness, the less likely it is that he is correct. Unless his assessment of his state of consciousness is CC (Cluelessness Consciousness), in which case he may be onto something. 5. The more a seeker demands to be taken seriously, the less likely he will be. 6. The higher a seeker considers himself on the evolutionary ladder, the more likely it is that he just hasn't looked up in quite a while. 7. The more beneath him a seeker considers other people, the more likely he is to step on them and use them as stepping stones to climb higher. 8. The more a seeker claims to be moral, the more likely he is to be a closet megalomaniac. 9. The more reverence the seeker has for the words of scriptures and teachers of the past, the less reverence he is likely to have for the words of people around him in the present. 10. The more compelled the seeker is to defend his beliefs and his path, the more worried he is that they aren't true and that he's wasted his life following them. 11. The more that a seeker feels compelled to change others and make them better, the less likely it is that any of their advice, if followed, *would* make the others better. 12. The more that seekers laugh at the attempts of others to make them better, the more likely it is that they're doing just fine, and have no need to be better. 13. In general, the more a seeker laughs, the more likely it is that he's on the right path. Conversely, the more a seeker is serious and demands to be taken seriously, the more likely it is that he's lost his way. 14. Repetition is the mother of anal retention. That is, the more the seeker uses a word to describe others, the more likely it is that he is really describing himself. 15. If a seeker has gone more than a couple of months without expressing an original thought (that is, one that he didn't read somewhere or have told to him by his teacher or tradition or some other expert), chances are he has lost the ability to have an original thought, and may never have one again. 16. The more a seeker claims to know what God wants, the more likely it is that he has mistaken himself for God and what he wants for what God wants. 17. If a seeker doesn't like to be around animals or children, chances are the animals and children don't like to be around him, and he's trying to hide that fact by avoiding them. 18. If a seeker on a spiritual chat board has gone more than a couple of months without describing an event in his personal life that was ecstatic and wonderful and full of light, chances are that there really haven't *been* any of those moments in his life during that period. 19. The more important a seeker considers himself in the cosmic scheme of things, the less likely it is that the cosmos would even notice he was gone if he died. 20. The more spiritual aphorisms you read instead of coming up with your own, the stupider you become. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
Whence the certainty? Have you tried to empower acrylics through pujas and mandalas and yantras and continued ass-contact of an enlightened master? Have you then tested them to see if lower beings can get through? All lower beings or just some? Which ones? a Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 6, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Angela Mailander wrote: Maybe the deer skin can do both? Or, maybe, deerskins used to do it all back in Vedic times, but now, they've passed on this siddhi to acrylics. Well it would certainly insulate you from the ground, but from lower beings? IME asanas (mats, animals skins, various cloths to sit on, etc.) used for sadhana are more like talismans which collect energy over time--thus the prohibitions against people touching them, etc. Asanas also seem to me to be something used and described in Tantric and Yogic literature, not in the Vedas per se. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Aphorisms Of Unc, volume 1
20. The more spiritual aphorisms you read instead of coming up with your own, the stupider you become. :-) jstein wrote: 21. The more spiritual aphorisms you come up with in an attempt to discredit spiritual paths, the angrier you are about your own inability to find one of your own. Eat your food, then wash your bowl.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from the Dhammapada
Can you deny that there is a universe, especially now that you've called it into being, in which monkeys in fact fly outa your ass? Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela Mailander Causation is a concept in trouble, and I for one, am glad to hear it since it has always seemed flimsy to me. There are only two things that are certain in life, Angela: death and taxes. However, it is a generally accepted observation that human excrement ALWAYS flows downstream. This observation applies to the demi-Gods as well as to humans. If this were not so, then, we could expect monkeys to fly up out of our ass instead of shit. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
So its all good fun to howl and bark at the various vedic descriptions/cognitions, keeping in mind that they were not meant to be perscriptions, but instead descriptions. You are misapplying MMY's statement about a specific text, the Laws of Manu to the source of the doo doo nonsense the Charaka or Shushruta Samhitas of Ayur Veda, which as medical texts, are prescriptive. Although I also believe that MMY's attempt to explain away the obviously cruel, racist, misogynistic Laws in the Manu text is absurd, here you are not even following his own teaching. Or are you claiming that the text is saying that after enlightenment you no longer want to look at your turds? They ought to put that on the brochure. BTW in the case of my own superior enlightenment, a white dove descends and takes mine away before I can see it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: There are many energy drain things that the TMO does not bother to publicize, but which are part of traditional Vedic culture. For instance, in India one is advised not to look at one's own excrement, and sure enough, on those occasions when I do glance at the toilet trout, there's a diminution of awareness. Freud would have a field day with you Bob, probably enough material here for an entire conference. Sounds ridiculous to us, but just because our idiotic nonsustainable scientific culture does not understand how the universe works does not make Vedic culture untrue. I think whether vedic culture is true or not should be studied case by case, this is the belief system of an ancient civilisation some of it will be common sense, some superstition, some bizarre nonsense (to us) some undoubtably true but a mistake to adopt it wholesale, if only to avoid the unedifying sight of otherwise intelligent people hiding from solar eclipses or not visiting friends whose houses have a south entrance. One thing that is commonly overlooked in the mad rush to be first to ridicule vedic stuff is that this info was a description of the many aspects of enlightened life. It was never meant to be perscribed as a code of living for the unenlightened, nor was it meant to be taken as one element at a time. Just as any society appears crazy if its elements are evaluated one at a time, without understanding the underlying consciousness that gives rise to its many laws and codes for living. So its all good fun to howl and bark at the various vedic descriptions/cognitions, keeping in mind that they were not meant to be perscriptions, but instead descriptions. Once the key that ties all of the elements of vedic life is lost, trancendental consciousness, the whole thing is lost, and becomes a mess. At some point, all of these cognitions were probably transformed into codes for living, without the underlying foundation of pure awareness, and then the whole thing goes to hell.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:51 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See) I went to the link provided below and youtube had the following message posted: The url contained a malformed video id. try again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDsIFspVzfI No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 7:11 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from the Dhammapada
Peter wrote: This whole turd in the toilet problem (TTP) is just another example of the confounding of states of mind with pure consciousness. Is there some kind of rule, Peter, where you live, that turds ALWAYS have to be put in the toilet?
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Real Yogi with Animals
I saw this once in an ordinary Indian householder's home. Sherru Doggie had never in his life been allowed to set foot in the puja room; but he entered it for the first time during the night of his death after a difficult and most painful sickness. I was asleep and heard him call his Mistress, Sushma (tr. Beauty of Nature). I got up, and saw that the servants, too, had understood Sherru's call and had gone to wake her in another part of the house. Sherru (tr. Beloved Lion Heart) was sitting in front of the altar's, and when Sushma arrived, he moved to her left to let her kneel, then he lay down and put his head in her lap. Sushma chanted hymns and mantras, always ending in Shanti-shanti-shantihi, my son. Sherru died at 4 AM. His mistress sat him up in front of the altar, and he sat there for a while. When he toppled, we laid him out in the Brahmastan on a white sheet and half covered him with another. The servants and I went out to buy marigolds, and when we brought them back, we lit candles. At sunrise, his Master, Suraj (tr. King of Nature) took him and put his body in the neighborhood dumpster. a Now, what did I see? I am reasonably certain that I did see a doggie die. Suraj, the servants, and I were all standing just behind Sushma kneeling with Sherru's head in her lap. Sherru kept his gaze in her eyes. I've seen lots of animals and people die, so I did see Sherru die. Then I saw Sushma put him in sitting position, and he sat in front of the altar. I don't know how long he sat, but, after a while, he flopped. Do I know that he was in Samadhi? Well, now, there's a question. What universe of discourse shall we choose for our discussion? Next time a pet dies, put him in sitting position and see what happens. And here's another thing. My enlightened dog, who was also my guru, RuDog, showed up at a time in my life in which I died and was subsequently reborn (resurrected if you like Christian terms better). He saw me through it and gave me a diploma stating that I was indeed enlightened. True or False: Was RuDog a reincarnation of Sherru? Who was he really? Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: _Blazing Splendor_ (excerpt) For animal lovers. -Vaj. One of the many amazing stories from Blazing Splendor: The Memoirs of Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche http://www.rangjung.com/blazing/ Blog at: http://blazing-splendor.blogspot.com/ from the chapter: At Tsurphu with the Karmapa Many extraordinary things happened in the company of the Karmapa. For example, he kept hundreds of birds. Karsey Kongtrul had given him a bird will extremely melodious voice, which was very dear to him. When this bird got sick he kept it alone in a special room. One day he was told that the bird was dying and he asked that it be brought to him. The bird was placed on the table before him. This bird needs a special blessing, he said. So he took a small vessel with mustard seeds and made his usual chant for dispelling obstacles as he threw some of the grains on the bird. Suddenly he said, There's nothing more to do--it is dying. No blessing can prevent it Then he turned to me, saying, Pick it up and hold it in your hand. The bird was still alive and it sat there in my palm with one eye half-open. But soon I saw its head slump, then its wings. But, strangely enough, the bird then straightened back up and simply sat there. An attendant whispered, It's in samadhi! I didn't want to disturb it, so I asked him to put it on the table. The attendant seemed used to handling birds in this state, because he didn't disturb it as he put the bird down. Somewhat astonished, I commented to the attendant, How remarkable! A bird that sits up straight right after death!?! That's nothing special. They all do it, he replied matter-of-factly. A second attendant chimed in, Every single bird from the Karmapa's aviary that dies sits up for a while after death. But we're so used to this, it has ceased to amaze us. When birds die, I objected, they keel over and fall off their branch to the ground--they don't keep sitting! Well, when the Karmapa is around, this is what they do, replied the attendant. But you're right--when he's away, they die the normal way. At this point everyone had arrived for dinner and I had to sit down, however I couldn't help keeping my eye on the bird while we ate. Halfway through dinner its right wing slumped and soon after the left followed. An attendant whispered, Wish-Fulfilling Jewel, it seems the samadhi is about to finish. The Karmapa paid no attention and kept eating, even when the bird finally keeled over. I looked at my watch--approximately three hours had gone by. No matter what the attendants said, I was still pretty amazed because I saw it die in my hands. Most people probably wouldn't believe this unless they saw it with their own eyes. The Karmapa was very fond of dogs as well and he
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
Thanks for sharing Chi Chi's story, Curtis, what a wonderful experience that must have been growing up. I'm sure that knowing you was a tremendous boon for Chi Chi, too. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Hey, Curtis, would you mind telling me more about the monkey? What type, how long did it live with you, what problems, what was its personality, etc. Having a monkey around the house is an old and long-standing desire of mine that's not quite extinguished and hearing what your experiences were really interests me. Thanks, Marek Hey Marek, I got him basically as a rescue when I was 10 years old. The person who gave him to me assured my parents that he would not survive. Seven years later a vet we boarded him with put him down without my permission because he believed it was cruel to have a monkey pet. Chi Chi was a squirrel monkey, New World, non prehensile tail. Adorable tiny finger prints and finger nails. Here is what he looked like: http://hoglezoo.org/animal.photos/squirrel.monkey.jpg He was fiercely protective of me and we had a beautiful communication through tone. Some of the notes I hit while bending notes on my harp were invented communicating with him. He asked me if I was in still in charge every day I owned him. Because in monkey culture it is considered polite to show your genitals when meeting someone new, his greeting for my parent's fascinated guests was always very shocking as he was the John Holmes of primates when he displayed. He always seemed a bit peeved that they didn't return the favor! He never threw things, but he could never be trusted not to bite, that is part of how they operate. His bluff was so intense it could send grown men running out of the room. in terror. Monkeys are bred in this country for pets which takes away the extremely cruel way monkeys were imported before about 1975. That was a horror show that has been mostly stopped by laws. The problem that is not easy to solve is that these are social creatures who would never be solitary in the wild. (Orangutans are the only exception I know of) So built into ownership is fundamental cruelty IMO. Keeping them as a couple would make more sense unless you wanted them to be with you 24/7. Capuchin monkeys (also New World) make the most amazing companions animals for paraplegics. They are still a manageable size. By the time you get to Rhesus Monkeys or other Macaques you are living with a creature with a fearsome bite power. Monkeys and apes use biting to show displeasure and it is always a danger. All in all I am fascinated with primates but don't believe they make good pets. Their cultures are so dominance driven that with their hyper intelligence, they will always be untrustworthy with others and even their owners. Little marmosets in small groups is one way to have the best of both worlds maybe. They look like little gremlins and don't have all the negatives I mentioned, but they are also less intelligent and quite hyper. I was really lucky to have lived with a monkey for those years, but I don't know how lucky my monkey was. For all my love for him I could never give him the constant companionship he craved and the result was unintentionally cruel. But there are people on the Internet talking about raising monkeys whose experience may be different. With the resources of an adult you could keep them more healthy. Many counties, including the one I live in, have laws against owning one and they will take them away as just happened in Maryland recently. http://tinyurl.com/2prgle She lost her appeal. Thanks for asking so I could remember what a rich part of my heart Chi Chi was Marek. Here is a way to get your monkey buzz on: The Hanuman Chalisa sri guru carana saroj raja nija mana mukura sudhar, varanaun raghuvara vimala yasa, yo dayaka phala chara Having cleaned the mirror of my mind with the dust from the lotus feet of my Guru, I sing the pure glories of Lord Ramachandra, who bestows the four fruits of life: religion, wealth, pleasure and liberation. buddhina tanu janike sumiraun pavana kumara, bala buddhi vidya dehu mohin, harau klesa vikara As I know I am an ignorant fool, I meditate on the Son of Wind, Hanuman, and pray him to give me strength, wisdom and knowledge, purifying me from all defects and bad things. siyavara ramachandra ki jaya, pavanasuta hanumana ki jaya, umapati mahadeva ki jaya All glories to Mother Sita, all glories to Lord Ramachandra, all glories to the Son of the Wind, Hanuman, all glories to Lord Shiva, consort of Parvati. jaya hanumana jnana guna sagara, jaya kapisa tihun loka ujagara, rama duta atulita bala dhama, anjani putra pavana suta nama Glory to Hanuman, ocean of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from the Dhammapada
Angela Mailander wrote: Can you deny that there is a universe, especially now that you've called it into being, in which monkeys in fact fly outa your ass? In your dreams, maybe, or if you were high on magic mushrooms, but if you think monkeys in fact are flying outa your ass, maybe you should see a psychologist like Dr. Peter Sutphen. Angela Mailander wrote: Causation is a concept in trouble, and I for one, am glad to hear it since it has always seemed flimsy to me. Richard J. Williams wrote: There are only two things that are certain in life, Angela: death and taxes. However, it is a generally accepted observation that human excrement ALWAYS flows downstream. This observation applies to the demi-Gods as well as to humans. If this were not so, then, we could expect monkeys to fly up out of our ass instead of shit. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
I've seen many animals in the wild, but it hardly counts as an experience of them -- why?, cuz it's hard to see their minds working without a long period of observation -- and the closer the better -- watching a grizzly from an SUV won't cut it as well. I like to get inside their lives. I remember, living on Glasgow Road, and letting my cat out and watching him entering the woods. A tiger couldn't have done it with more feline intent. A mouse or antelope -- doesn't matter what's being hunted, the hunter's mind is the same. That's why I love Meercat Manor and other animal series on TV. The psychological dynamics of any species can be a world-entered if one has the patience to project anthropomorphically again and again until the human-only flavors are dropped and one can see what one REALLY has in common with a species. I lived three years on a cove fifteen feet outside my window, and watched the micro-ecological play of over 60 species that I saw on an almost daily basis, say, about 20 species would be spotted on any given day. Mostly birds, but mink, muskrats, turtles, rabbits, squirrels, field mice, chipmunks, groundhogs, and dragonflies. All of these animals' lives can be vicarious thrillers that can match anything Hollywood sells. These animals are warriors each and all, and the tiniest finch will show immense ferocity if required. Want a deep thrill? Watch crows having a group meeting. See how four crows decide who is going to be the first, the sucker, who dares to risk a peck at a dead-thing, then after proven dead, who shoves all the others aside, who thinks they're allowed to sneak closer for a quick peck while the top-bird is slavering down hunks, who waits on the sidelines forever until the entire pecking order has full tummies only to be able to grab a couple good mouthfuls before the whole murder flies elsewhere. Watch crows do this and become a believer in animal telepathy. Same deal for muskrats fighting it out for sex and territory, or minks racing along logs like furry snakes, or squirrels chasing each other up and down a tree until it's like a living barbershop pole, or chipmunks chirping as loudly as crickets with bullhorns. Want to know what it's like to meet an alien stepping out of a UFO, watch a dragonfly hanging around a branch tip for 30 minutes. Want to know how God's mind works? Watch a flock of birds wheel as one mid-flight with not a trace of signal-lag between the first to turn and the last to turn -- telepathy I tell ya! Small wonder then that we love our pets and see their minds with such intimacy. When my last pet died, it was crushing. I just cannot take such a loss again and haven't had a domesticated animal since, but the wild things take me on their flights, let me scurry with them, let me see their destinies unfold, and that has proven to be a spiritual instruction of some merit. Edg PS. Below another piece, written to Diane Porter the Birding Lady of Fairfield, when I was living in Detroit where I was feeding birds in my backyard. I describe a spiritual epiphany I had while watching starlings feed in the rain. Diane, You know, you really can't tell anyone about birding...the emotions are so subtle. I've been watching the birds here -- I'm putting out 15 pounds of seed a day to 200 sparrows, 40 mourning doves, one pigeon, 50 starlings, 4 purple finches, one downy woodpecker, one red headed woodpecker, two mallard ducks, ONE junco, four blue jays, four cardinals, one chickadee, one titmouse, and 9 different squirrels who do not fly so good but insist that they be fed. It is amazing how subtle my observations have become. I swear I know the FEELINGS of each bird. EACH one. And I am absolutely certain that they all know each other to a very intimate degree too.pecking order doesn't even begin to compass how well they all know each other, and I'm not talking about these animals knowing their same species' ways and means -- they know the psychology of the other species that hang out at Edg's Eatery too. I have four mini-tables, about two feet in diameter and two feet high that I put seed on. I move these tables around from time to time, and depending on distance between them, the birds will feed on each table differently. The closest to the bushes and trees gets emptied first, of course, but NOT if I put a can of dog food on it for the starlings, and NOT if, say, table one is so close to another, table two, that a squirrel eating on table two is able to jump from table two to table one. The birds KNOW how far a squirrel can jump, and so they don't eat at a nearby table, because they know that squirrel is coming there to get the sunflower seeds. Once the seeds are gone, they eat at the nearby tables! Amazing! If I change anything about a feeding table, then that becomes table four -- emptied last until it has been observed for about three days -- it might be a trap you see. The starlings will eat dog food in the hanging feeders
[FairfieldLife] Re: TTP Alert!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't these kids know about the dangers of TTP (aka diminished consciousness)? The horror, the horror! http://tinyurl.com/2cc2jq You s beat me to this Pete! The weird thing is that prisoners use this gross concoction called dirty pudding as a weapon. I am amazed that they never discovered this use. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Real Yogi with Animals
On Nov 6, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Angela Mailander wrote: Do I know that he was in Samadhi? Well, now, there's a question. What universe of discourse shall we choose for our discussion? Next time a pet dies, put him in sitting position and see what happens. It's not so much the position itself, although the position is conducive to the transference of consciousness (Tib. phowa). In the case of the Karmapa, the animals would go into that position after the breathing stopped. This style of samadhi is common in those who perfected it in this lifetime, the side-benefit is once you learn it yourself, you can assist others as well. In the case of the Karmapa, just being in his vicinity was all that was necessary, which is really a kind of nondual transference. And here's another thing. My enlightened dog, who was also my guru, RuDog, showed up at a time in my life in which I died and was subsequently reborn (resurrected if you like Christian terms better). He saw me through it and gave me a diploma stating that I was indeed enlightened. True or False: Was RuDog a reincarnation of Sherru? Who was he really?
[FairfieldLife] Overposting - Angela's done for the week
59 posts since Friday midnight. Judy has 30. No one else is very close. The limit is 25 per week. Please keep a tally of your own posts. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 7:11 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:23 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets So its all good fun to howl and bark at the various vedic descriptions/cognitions, keeping in mind that they were not meant to be perscriptions, but instead descriptions. You are misapplying MMY's statement about a specific text, the Laws of Manu to the source of the doo doo nonsense the Charaka or Shushruta Samhitas of Ayur Veda, which as medical texts, are prescriptive. So are the Laws of Manu. Maharishi once gave me the project of correlating the scientific charts on TM with the Laws of Manu. They prescribe many gruesome punishments for various sins. If you sleep with your teacher’s wife, you have to cut off your genitals and walk to the southwest, holding them in your hands, until you bleed to death. Other punishments include being shaven with the urine of an ass, making young people who have sex out of wedlock lie on a bed of red-hot iron, and this little gem: molten lead has to be poured into the ears of those 'low born' who dare to hear the recital of the written word I can’t imagine anyone “spontaneously” doing any of these things based on their level of consciousness. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 7:11 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
On Nov 6, 2007, at 10:32 AM, Rick Archer wrote: So are the Laws of Manu. Maharishi once gave me the project of correlating the scientific charts on TM with the Laws of Manu. They prescribe many gruesome punishments for various sins. If you sleep with your teacher’s wife, you have to cut off your genitals and walk to the southwest, holding them in your hands, until you bleed to death. Other punishments include being shaven with the urine of an ass, making young people who have sex out of wedlock lie on a bed of red-hot iron, and this little gem: molten lead has to be poured into the ears of those 'low born' who dare to hear the recital of the written word I can’t imagine anyone “spontaneously” doing any of these things based on their level of consciousness. And of course you're right on this. That's why they're called Duty Scriptures (dharma-shastras), they prescribe the duties of certain varnas of people. It never ceases to amaze me what people will believe just because it is uttered by someone dressed as a yogi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
Thanks to Rick Archer, I've now been able to see the video. I have several impressions that I'd like to convey, but I'll only give one: Do the exact same exercise for Iran and Nuclear Weapons. See what course of action you come up with. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Shemp, here's a problem for ya now. It no longer matters if global warming is real. The real question is a matter of possibilities and what a prudent mind would do faced with a risks chart. I'll be really surprised if you can come up with a cogent response to this video's logic. And, in fact, I'm expecting nothing to be posted about this from you, or at best, you'll squeak out some snide flame that proves only that you're incapable of logic. Prove me wrong. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: HYPERLINK http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=bDsIFspVzfIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b DsIFspVzfI No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 7:11 PM
[FairfieldLife] Causality and a 100% Correlation (Re: Quotes from the Dhammapada)
Angela Mailander: There is no way to distinguish between a cause and a 100% correlation. Thanks for nutshelling that concept. To me it's THE question for science to face -- but seldom does, because, well, it cannot be faced!!! The quantum guys know that that they cannot know anything about the mechanics of the vacuum state. Things are furiously happening inside nothing. They have no tools to do this, and Godel and Heisenberg says no tools for such are logically possible period. Just so, the inside of black holes cannot be compassed by thought. And, just so, amness, from which springs forth fully formed thoughts, cannot be delved into since the observer-function of the mind must be merged with all other mental faculties to arrive at amness -- a mono-thought state. God's mind works everywhere at once, and robot minds call it synchrony. Same deal for us -- being made in the image of God and all -- in our nightly dreams we create all the characters, props, environments, clothing, colors, smells, emotions, plots INSTANTLY and WHOLLY. There's simply no room for causality to manage all that doingness in the time alloted -- that is: real time, now time, instant by moment time, in which an unstoppable, unrelenting, constant, magnificent changingness is managed by the beyond with unfathomable laws. The human brain is capable of tremendous parallel processing, and the tasks-being-processed, when one considers the content of even the most common human experience, simply boggles, but a mere glance by anyone at anytime in any place in any circumstance will be ample proof enough of synchrony if one truly sees what one is seeing. Say what? Try this experiment to see if you agree that sychronicity-simultaneity is operating beyond causality -- see if you can feel the immensity of the mind and that there's not time enough to construct all of this experience, moment by moment being refreshed anew: EXPERIMENT Find a viewpoint from which you can see a good distance. The greater the distance the better, and if it involves looking out a window, that's okay. If you can see the horizon, that's ideal. Daytime is best. Pick an object that is moving and that is one of the farthest objects from you. This may be a leaf on a distant tree, a boat on the lake, a crop circle forming, whatever. Now stare at this object and note how little of your field of vision it takes up. Decide an approximate percentage. While you are watching this object with your physical eyes being focused upon it, note that other objects are also quite clearly delineated by your mind as separate entities which are not the object of focus but are nonetheless discernible. While still focused on the distant object, mentally note at least five other objects that are at varying distances from you. Note that these objects, especially the nearest of them are not as in focus as the distant object. While still focused on the distant object, note that this trip that you take is done without moving your eyes to focus on the other individual objects, but instead it is a MENTAL ADJUSTMENT IN YOUR ATTENTIONING -- in that your eyes stay fixed, but your mind can know that the other objects are there and have definite qualities of color and shape and distance that are easily observed. Note that these other objects have emotional value to you that is also separately distinguishable. Note other moving objects within this same field of view. Note how these and other objects are alluring to the eye which likes to shift its attention to moving objects and colorful objects. Note that there are at MANY objects! Estimate the number by rounding off to the nearest million. Note that each object in your field of view, must necessarily be represented within your physiology by individual processes; for instance, the moving leaf, the bird that flies by, the cloud, UFOs, etc. are ALL happening simultaneously within your mind as separate events albeit seamlessly integrated into a single picture. Note that this must mean that your nervous system is able to maintain a huge number of separate hunks, and yet effortlessly the scene makes sense. Practice traveling around your field of view while remaining focused on the one distant object. After you get some chops doing this sort of thing, ask yourself these questions: What is a separate thought? How do I have so much going on in my mind and yet it seems like everything comes one at a time? Can I have more than one thought or emotion at a time? What would be the payoff if I could skillfully use two thoughts or emotions at once? When I am having an intense emotion, is this like a part of me focusing on an object? Can I learn to travel around my emotional field of view when I am having an emotional attack that predominates? What would be the payoff to becoming skilled at this? WHO decides where my attention goes? How do all these things get sorted out, and then spontaneously my attention is directed from one
RE: [FairfieldLife] Overposting - Angela's done for the week
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Archer Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:35 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Overposting - Angela's done for the week 59 posts since Friday midnight. Judy has 30. No one else is very close. The limit is 25 per week. I meant 35 per week, which averages out to 5 per day. Pace yourself and favor quality over quantity. (I’m not implying that the two are mutually exclusive.) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 7:11 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to Rick Archer, I've now been able to see the video. I have several impressions that I'd like to convey, but I'll only give one: Do the exact same exercise for Iran and Nuclear Weapons. See what course of action you come up with. == Prior to the Iraq war, International Atomic Energy Agency chairman Mohammed ElBaradei warned there was no evidence of ongoing prohibited nuclear or nuclear-related activities in Iraq. He was subsequently smeared by the administration, but ultimately vindicated as the recipient of a Nobel Peace Prize for getting it right. Today on CNN, ElBaradei sounded alarms about the Bush administration's increasingly hawkish rhetoric in regards to Iran's alleged nuclear ambitions. We have the time to use diplomacy, ElBaradei urged. There is no military solution with Iran: I very much have concern about confrontation, building confrontation, Wolf, because that would lead absolutely to a disaster. I see no military solution. The only durable solution is through negotiations and inspections. ... My fear is that we continue to escalate from both sides from both sides that we would end up into a precipice, we would end up into an abyss. ElBaradei poured water over Vice President Cheney's confident declaration last week that Iran is pursuing technology that could be used to develop nuclear weapons. The world knows this. While ElBaradei did not rule out Iran having an intent to obtain nuclear weapons, he explained that there is no evidence that Iran is currently pursuing such a program right now: I have not received any information that there is a concrete, active nuclear weapon program going on right now. We have information that there have been maybe some studies about possible weaponization. But we are looking into these alleged studies with Iran right now. But have we seen having the nuclear material that can be readily used into a weapon? No. Have we seen an active weaponization program? No. So there is a concern, but there is also time to clarify these concerns. ElBaradei also urged the U.S. to halt its fiery rhetoric and directly engage Iran in talks: The earlier we go into negotiation, the earlier we follow the North Korean model, the better for everybody. Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LXlkfezIW4 - Yesterday ... I flagged Sy Hersh's new New Yorker article on the Cheneyite push for war with Iran -- an article as depressing as it is unsurprising. I want to focus in one passage from the piece about arch-Iran hawk Norman Podhoretz ... Many of those who support the President's policy argue that Iran poses an imminent threat. In a recent essay in Commentary, Norman Podhoretz depicted President Ahmadinejad as a revolutionary, like Hitler . . . whose objective is to overturn the going international system and to replace it . . . with a new order dominated by Iran. . . . The plain and brutal truth is that if Iran is to be prevented from developing a nuclear arsenal, there is no alternative to the actual use of military force. Podhoretz concluded, I pray with all my heart that President Bush will find it possible to take the only action that can stop Iran from following through on its evil intentions both toward us and toward Israel. So this is the threat. Iran overturns the current unipolar world order and replaces it with a new world order dominated by Iran. It's really quite astonishing that people even write this garbage with a straight face. And yet there it is. Lost in all of this is that Iran is, what?, a third rate military power? Maybe? Let's see if we can line up this comparison: Hitler/Germany, head of industrial superpower in the heart of Europe, engaged in massive rearmament putting it back in place as the dominant land military power in the world. Ahmadinejad, head of country with an economy roughly the size of Alabama, a sizable but largely outmoded military. Notice any differences? --Josh Marshall Relevant links here: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/054690.php --- The American discussion about Iran has lost all connection to reality. Norman Podhoretz, the neoconservative ideologist whom Bush has consulted on this topic, has written that Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is like Hitler a revolutionary whose objective is to overturn the going international system and to replace it in the fullness of time with a new order dominated by Iran and ruled by the religio-political culture of Islamofascism. For this staggering proposition Podhoretz provides not a scintilla of evidence. Iran has an economy the size of Finland's and an annual defense budget of around $4.8 billion. It has not invaded a country since the late 18th century. The United States has a GDP that is 68
Re: [FairfieldLife] And now for the rest of the story...
On Nov 6, 2007, at 9:06 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: I finally realized what all these Rajas at the Coronation Ceremony table look like: They look like a bunch of Hell's Angels who were forced, at gunpoint, to become Born Again Christians, showered and scrubbed clean by 12-year-old virgins betrothed to the prophet of a compound of polygamists in rural Utah, and then been given a make-over by a contingent of Gay Hairdressers from Middle Earth. I think they look like new-age Klansmen. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: And now for the rest of the story...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 6, 2007, at 9:06 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: I finally realized what all these Rajas at the Coronation Ceremony table look like: They look like a bunch of Hell's Angels who were forced, at gunpoint, to become Born Again Christians, showered and scrubbed clean by 12-year-old virgins betrothed to the prophet of a compound of polygamists in rural Utah, and then been given a make-over by a contingent of Gay Hairdressers from Middle Earth. I think they look like new-age Klansmen. Sal Are you giving Angela your posts again Sal?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prissy Blissy vs Hard-Corp John Wayne Spiritualism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 5, 2007, at 10:25 PM, new.morning wrote: (And the notion of some that MMY is an aghori is, well, quite laughable.) Who on earth would make such a crazy claim? That truly IS hilarious, if true. Peter used to regularly. And while it was sort of with a wink (I suppose), even the as a rough simile, it is quite funny, IMO. But I also don't get Jim's post -- he who has Perfect Crystalline Radiant Intellect (he who has perfected the Arrogance Siddhi) about prescription / description in the vedas. I assume he means MMY has been selling us a crock by Prescribing ayurved, jyotish, ghandarva-ved, forest academy, rajas, SV, etc instead of letting the Totally Enlightened in the highest state of Brahman Consciousness -- like Jim, live the totality of these things naturally, in their enlightenment -- that is to live the Description of the state. I can hardly wait to meet Jim's 12 year old wife, his slaves, watch him perform the Horse sacrafice, watch his queen copulate with the horse before all, before the horse is slaughtered, drink his own urine regularly, and all. May my unenlightened, but quite smart friends here, help to decipher the totality and depth of Jim's wisdom here -- radiating for Perfect Knowledge an Perfect Intellect -- in the highest state of consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 5, 2007, at 4:48 PM, bob_brigante wrote: MMY sits on a deerskin to insulate himself from the energy drain from creatures living at a lower level of life. Bullshit. A deerskin asana is for power, money, to magnetize followers and for siddhis. Whats a tiger skin for? And other skins and asanas (kuti grass an all)?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Coronation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least we now have the answer to the age old question: Is there anything on earth gayer than a Cher concert. At the risk of raising explosive ire, my first thought upon seeing one of those Trikke videos was that is so gay, even *I'd* be embarrassed to be seen riding on one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:23 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets So its all good fun to howl and bark at the various vedic descriptions/cognitions, keeping in mind that they were not meant to be perscriptions, but instead descriptions. You are misapplying MMY's statement about a specific text, the Laws of Manu to the source of the doo doo nonsense the Charaka or Shushruta Samhitas of Ayur Veda, which as medical texts, are prescriptive. So are the Laws of Manu. Maharishi once gave me the project of correlating the scientific charts on TM with the Laws of Manu. They prescribe many gruesome punishments for various sins. If you sleep with your teacher's wife, you have to cut off your genitals and walk to the southwest, holding them in your hands, until you bleed to death. Other punishments include being shaven with the urine of an ass, making young people who have sex out of wedlock lie on a bed of red-hot iron, and this little gem: molten lead has to be poured into the ears of those 'low born' who dare to hear the recital of the written word I can't imagine anyone spontaneously doing any of these things based on their level of consciousness. Yeah, just the same, we better put Jim on a 24/7 watch. And of course Tom, Rory and Peter.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to Rick Archer, I've now been able to see the video. I have several impressions that I'd like to convey, but I'll only give one: Do the exact same exercise for Iran and Nuclear Weapons. See what course of action you come up with. You can't do the same exercise with Iran. What are your two choices along the side of the chart?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 6, 2007, at 10:32 AM, Rick Archer wrote: So are the Laws of Manu. Maharishi once gave me the project of correlating the scientific charts on TM with the Laws of Manu. They prescribe many gruesome punishments for various sins. If you sleep with your teacher's wife, you have to cut off your genitals and walk to the southwest, holding them in your hands, until you bleed to death. Other punishments include being shaven with the urine of an ass, making young people who have sex out of wedlock lie on a bed of red-hot iron, and this little gem: molten lead has to be poured into the ears of those 'low born' who dare to hear the recital of the written word I can't imagine anyone spontaneously doing any of these things based on their level of consciousness. And of course you're right on this. That's why they're called Duty Scriptures (dharma-shastras), they prescribe the duties of certain varnas of people. It never ceases to amaze me what people will believe just because it is uttered by someone dressed as a yogi. Vaj, you STILL don't Get IT, do you!!! Jim is not mouthing the words of MMY. This is his OWN cognition from the state of Perfect Intellect and Perfect Knowledge, from the platform from perfected Brahman Consciuosness. It is no wonder that we don't understand what seem to us to be massive contradictions in the Prescriptive/Descriptive proclamation/cognition. (And most other Wisdom Dripping utterences from Shri Jim) We can ONLY get it when we rise to Jim's most HIGH state of awareness. Please! Give him the respect he deserves!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
On Nov 6, 2007, at 12:10 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 5, 2007, at 4:48 PM, bob_brigante wrote: MMY sits on a deerskin to insulate himself from the energy drain from creatures living at a lower level of life. Bullshit. A deerskin asana is for power, money, to magnetize followers and for siddhis. Whats a tiger skin for? Conquering the passions or something like that. And other skins and asanas (kuti grass an all)? I'd have to look them up. Deer are related to sound, since there are very sensitive to sound, so they were presumably good for mantra- siddhi and for maintaining that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Coronation
Alex, What a cheap fucking shot. What a cheap fucking shot. It's worth a post of mine to call you to accounts for this arbitrary attack. For you to put down the sport of trikking that has upped the health of hundreds of thousands of owners of Trikkes is sheer fucking meanness and equal to Anne Coulter using the word faggot in the same sentence as John Edwards. Get that? You're here in a spiritual community being a cowardly pissant trying to toss a tomato from the back of a crowd and hoping to get away with it. You're swiftboating a sport in order to make me out the fool here, and, not incidentally, you've besmirched homosexuality in an era of political correctitude, and thus shown yourself to be homophobic -- which, to professionals, is a massive tell of your own denying of dissonant, inner, latent, gender-identification issues. (You're queer, adjust to it, grab a man, and be happier.) As if you could make a fool of me here. I do that well enough thank you, and the community is hardly improved by the emotion you're showing yourself to indulge in when you create such barbs from what can only be assumed to be a corrosive sickness in your deepest psyche. It's low, it's crude, it's a horrid dynamic of your psychology, and it just must be fucking up your life left and right for you to come out of nowhere and simply attack for attack's sake. Do you really think that the emotion you felt driving your producing such a foul spitwad is going to be extinguished by this one shitheel manifestation? Ha! It's an all-time reality for you, Dude, and the finger you just pointed at me is accompanied by the other three fingers of your hand pointing at you. I too have a finger pointed at you -- guess which one. Poor poor you. Holy shit, what a skewing of your mind and what a havoc your life must be to struggle with such a burden. I'd feel sorry for you, but you simply don't deserve it. And the funny thing is, is that I'm not defending Trikkes right now, but I am defending the community here from the travail of watching an asshole's incompetency being unresisted and allowed to pass for conversation. You are a psychological criminal -- your willingness to be a conceptual rapist just oozes in all your posts. The only thing that could change my mind about you now is if someone tells me you're under 30 years of age. Then, it's just a case of juvenile rascality trying to pull a chain just because you can, but I'm thinking most likely you're aura is filled with red streaks, your mind with angst, and your mouth with bile. Your daily fare. Ugh. I trikke everyday in front of many people, and all I get is sincere questions, statements of approval and awe, and genuine entertainment from merely seeing this human-powered use of the conservation of angular momentum law. At least I'm being refreshingly new when I'm hurling the puke, but your attempts are laughably immature in addition to being bereft of any creativity. Look, at least try to come up to my standards when you try to flame. Here's the height of the bar. See if you can do as well as the below when you next attack. Edg, you creepazoid monster of pride, you putrid pus bag of ego, you evil minion of narcissism -- only trikking could have made you appear more twisted and bizarre. Mission accomplished. See? Now that's flaming, you sniveling prick. And may I just add: fuck you with a fire hydrant while you're being waterboarded. Ah, I feel lighter, holier, victorious! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: At least we now have the answer to the age old question: Is there anything on earth gayer than a Cher concert. At the risk of raising explosive ire, my first thought upon seeing one of those Trikke videos was that is so gay, even *I'd* be embarrassed to be seen riding on one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Coronation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: At least we now have the answer to the age old question: Is there anything on earth gayer than a Cher concert. At the risk of raising explosive ire, my first thought upon seeing one of those Trikke videos was that is so gay, even *I'd* be embarrassed to be seen riding on one. I'm guessing you know it is Edg with the Trikke. Explosive ire is so gay when it gets raised. Perhaps they would de-gay it a bit if they would drop that affected second K in the spelling? I am in favor of all balance sports, but if a Trikker ever wore those spandex pants that serious bicyclists wear then Elton John would have to write a song about it. The word gay is going through a meaning shift. It meant happy till it was taken over as a sexual preference. Then young people hijacked and used it where my generation used to use queer. That is so gay has nothing to do with owning any CD by Liza Minnelli for them. The last change came from the Simpsons who use it to mean attracted to as in: Bart claims Lisa is gay for Mole Man to which Mole Man sadly responds No one is gay for Mole Man So to tie up this little useless exercise let's see if we can use them all together: Edg is gay for Trikkes, which Alex believes makes him look gay,but Edg is not really gay, he just rides a trikke because it makes him gay. And people wonder what we non TM people do with our extra time without the program!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
On Nov 6, 2007, at 12:32 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 6, 2007, at 10:32 AM, Rick Archer wrote: So are the Laws of Manu. Maharishi once gave me the project of correlating the scientific charts on TM with the Laws of Manu. They prescribe many gruesome punishments for various sins. If you sleep with your teacher's wife, you have to cut off your genitals and walk to the southwest, holding them in your hands, until you bleed to death. Other punishments include being shaven with the urine of an ass, making young people who have sex out of wedlock lie on a bed of red-hot iron, and this little gem: molten lead has to be poured into the ears of those 'low born' who dare to hear the recital of the written word I can't imagine anyone spontaneously doing any of these things based on their level of consciousness. And of course you're right on this. That's why they're called Duty Scriptures (dharma-shastras), they prescribe the duties of certain varnas of people. It never ceases to amaze me what people will believe just because it is uttered by someone dressed as a yogi. Vaj, you STILL don't Get IT, do you!!! Jim is not mouthing the words of MMY. This is his OWN cognition from the state of Perfect Intellect and Perfect Knowledge, from the platform from perfected Brahman Consciuosness. Oh, sorry, I must have missed that! It is no wonder that we don't understand what seem to us to be massive contradictions in the Prescriptive/Descriptive proclamation/cognition. (And most other Wisdom Dripping utterences from Shri Jim) We can ONLY get it when we rise to Jim's most HIGH state of awareness. Please! Give him the respect he deserves! I thought I was . ;-) Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Coronation
Wow! Edg, what do think this is all about, anyway? ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex, What a cheap fucking shot. What a cheap fucking shot. It's worth a post of mine to call you to accounts for this arbitrary attack. For you to put down the sport of trikking that has upped the health of hundreds of thousands of owners of Trikkes is sheer fucking meanness and equal to Anne Coulter using the word faggot in the same sentence as John Edwards. Get that? You're here in a spiritual community being a cowardly pissant trying to toss a tomato from the back of a crowd and hoping to get away with it. You're swiftboating a sport in order to make me out the fool here, and, not incidentally, you've besmirched homosexuality in an era of political correctitude, and thus shown yourself to be homophobic -- which, to professionals, is a massive tell of your own denying of dissonant, inner, latent, gender-identification issues. (You're queer, adjust to it, grab a man, and be happier.) As if you could make a fool of me here. I do that well enough thank you, and the community is hardly improved by the emotion you're showing yourself to indulge in when you create such barbs from what can only be assumed to be a corrosive sickness in your deepest psyche. It's low, it's crude, it's a horrid dynamic of your psychology, and it just must be fucking up your life left and right for you to come out of nowhere and simply attack for attack's sake. Do you really think that the emotion you felt driving your producing such a foul spitwad is going to be extinguished by this one shitheel manifestation? Ha! It's an all-time reality for you, Dude, and the finger you just pointed at me is accompanied by the other three fingers of your hand pointing at you. I too have a finger pointed at you -- guess which one. Poor poor you. Holy shit, what a skewing of your mind and what a havoc your life must be to struggle with such a burden. I'd feel sorry for you, but you simply don't deserve it. And the funny thing is, is that I'm not defending Trikkes right now, but I am defending the community here from the travail of watching an asshole's incompetency being unresisted and allowed to pass for conversation. You are a psychological criminal -- your willingness to be a conceptual rapist just oozes in all your posts. The only thing that could change my mind about you now is if someone tells me you're under 30 years of age. Then, it's just a case of juvenile rascality trying to pull a chain just because you can, but I'm thinking most likely you're aura is filled with red streaks, your mind with angst, and your mouth with bile. Your daily fare. Ugh. I trikke everyday in front of many people, and all I get is sincere questions, statements of approval and awe, and genuine entertainment from merely seeing this human-powered use of the conservation of angular momentum law. At least I'm being refreshingly new when I'm hurling the puke, but your attempts are laughably immature in addition to being bereft of any creativity. Look, at least try to come up to my standards when you try to flame. Here's the height of the bar. See if you can do as well as the below when you next attack. Edg, you creepazoid monster of pride, you putrid pus bag of ego, you evil minion of narcissism -- only trikking could have made you appear more twisted and bizarre. Mission accomplished. See? Now that's flaming, you sniveling prick. And may I just add: fuck you with a fire hydrant while you're being waterboarded. Ah, I feel lighter, holier, victorious! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: At least we now have the answer to the age old question: Is there anything on earth gayer than a Cher concert. At the risk of raising explosive ire, my first thought upon seeing one of those Trikke videos was that is so gay, even *I'd* be embarrassed to be seen riding on one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Coronation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to tie up this little useless exercise let's see if we can use them all together: Edg is gay for Trikkes, which Alex believes makes him look gay, but Edg is not really gay, he just rides a trikke because it makes him gay. You've got to admit, though, Edg worrying about whether riding his Trikke makes him look gay enough that some guy is eyeing his ass is a step up from worrying whether his girlfriend is laugh- ing at him behind his back when she gets together with her friends. Credit where credit is due, dude. This is progress. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And now for the rest of the story...
On Nov 6, 2007, at 10:30 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I think they look like new-age Klansmen. Sal Are you giving Angela your posts again Sal? Forgot to do that--thanks for reminding me, Curtis. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm not here.
I saw an advanced screening at the director's guild. I think it will be released pretty soon. s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 6, 2007, at 10:32 AM, Rick Archer wrote: So are the Laws of Manu. Maharishi once gave me the project of correlating the scientific charts on TM with the Laws of Manu. They prescribe many gruesome punishments for various sins. If you sleep with your teacher's wife, you have to cut off your genitals and walk to the southwest, holding them in your hands, until you bleed to death. Other punishments include being shaven with the urine of an ass, making young people who have sex out of wedlock lie on a bed of red-hot iron, and this little gem: molten lead has to be poured into the ears of those 'low born' who dare to hear the recital of the written word I can't imagine anyone spontaneously doing any of these things based on their level of consciousness. And of course you're right on this. That's why they're called Duty Scriptures (dharma-shastras), they prescribe the duties of certain varnas of people. It never ceases to amaze me what people will believe just because it is uttered by someone dressed as a yogi. Vaj, you STILL don't Get IT, do you!!! Jim is not mouthing the words of MMY. This is his OWN cognition from the state of Perfect Intellect and Perfect Knowledge, from the platform from perfected Brahman Consciuosness. It is no wonder that we don't understand what seem to us to be massive contradictions in the Prescriptive/Descriptive proclamation/cognition. (And most other Wisdom Dripping utterences from Shri Jim) We can ONLY get it when we rise to Jim's most HIGH state of awareness. Please! Give him the respect he deserves! Oh paleeze, I think I'm gonna puke! Here you go on and on and on about your logical inferences and ways that your mind works, sometimes for many, many paragraphs, post after post, and with your so called wit, and I have never insulted you the way that you do me. You always try to cut me down and make fun of what I say. You are a real jerk, new morning. Not funny or witty or insightful. Just another run of the mill mean spirited jerk. If you don't like what I say, skip it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Coronation
Could you help me pick out some drapes and matching wall coverings? I think a Trikke motif would be so fab! :-) On Nov 6, 2007, at 12:48 PM, Duveyoung wrote: Alex, What a cheap fucking shot. What a cheap fucking shot. It's worth a post of mine to call you to accounts for this arbitrary attack. For you to put down the sport of trikking that has upped the health of hundreds of thousands of owners of Trikkes is sheer fucking meanness and equal to Anne Coulter using the word faggot in the same sentence as John Edwards. Get that? You're here in a spiritual community being a cowardly pissant trying to toss a tomato from the back of a crowd and hoping to get away with it. You're swiftboating a sport in order to make me out the fool here, and, not incidentally, you've besmirched homosexuality in an era of political correctitude, and thus shown yourself to be homophobic -- which, to professionals, is a massive tell of your own denying of dissonant, inner, latent, gender-identification issues. (You're queer, adjust to it, grab a man, and be happier.) As if you could make a fool of me here. I do that well enough thank you, and the community is hardly improved by the emotion you're showing yourself to indulge in when you create such barbs from what can only be assumed to be a corrosive sickness in your deepest psyche. It's low, it's crude, it's a horrid dynamic of your psychology, and it just must be fucking up your life left and right for you to come out of nowhere and simply attack for attack's sake. Do you really think that the emotion you felt driving your producing such a foul spitwad is going to be extinguished by this one shitheel manifestation? Ha! It's an all-time reality for you, Dude, and the finger you just pointed at me is accompanied by the other three fingers of your hand pointing at you. I too have a finger pointed at you -- guess which one. Poor poor you. Holy shit, what a skewing of your mind and what a havoc your life must be to struggle with such a burden. I'd feel sorry for you, but you simply don't deserve it. And the funny thing is, is that I'm not defending Trikkes right now, but I am defending the community here from the travail of watching an asshole's incompetency being unresisted and allowed to pass for conversation. You are a psychological criminal -- your willingness to be a conceptual rapist just oozes in all your posts. The only thing that could change my mind about you now is if someone tells me you're under 30 years of age. Then, it's just a case of juvenile rascality trying to pull a chain just because you can, but I'm thinking most likely you're aura is filled with red streaks, your mind with angst, and your mouth with bile. Your daily fare. Ugh. I trikke everyday in front of many people, and all I get is sincere questions, statements of approval and awe, and genuine entertainment from merely seeing this human-powered use of the conservation of angular momentum law. At least I'm being refreshingly new when I'm hurling the puke, but your attempts are laughably immature in addition to being bereft of any creativity. Look, at least try to come up to my standards when you try to flame. Here's the height of the bar. See if you can do as well as the below when you next attack. Edg, you creepazoid monster of pride, you putrid pus bag of ego, you evil minion of narcissism -- only trikking could have made you appear more twisted and bizarre. Mission accomplished. See? Now that's flaming, you sniveling prick. And may I just add: fuck you with a fire hydrant while you're being waterboarded. Ah, I feel lighter, holier, victorious! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: At least we now have the answer to the age old question: Is there anything on earth gayer than a Cher concert. At the risk of raising explosive ire, my first thought upon seeing one of those Trikke videos was that is so gay, even *I'd* be embarrassed to be seen riding on one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Coronation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're swiftboating a sport in order to make me out the fool here, and, not incidentally, you've besmirched homosexuality in an era of political correctitude, and thus shown yourself to be homophobic -- which, to professionals, is a massive tell of your own denying of dissonant, inner, latent, gender-identification issues. (You're queer, adjust to it, grab a man, and be happier.) I describe myself as a Meat-eating Sodomite living in a Hindu enclave of Jesusland. I've been out of the closet for about 14 years. But, hey! Thanks for the great rant!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
jim_flanegin wrote: Oh paleeze, I think I'm gonna puke! Here you go on and on and on about your logical inferences and ways that your mind works, sometimes for many, many paragraphs, post after post, and with your so called wit, and I have never insulted you the way that you do me. You always try to cut me down and make fun of what I say. You are a real jerk, new morning. Not funny or witty or insightful. Just another run of the mill mean spirited jerk. If you don't like what I say, skip it. Jimmy Boy, I gotta tell ya, ire is beautiful on ya! Nice cut. Drapes well. Ya's stylin' I tells ya. I'm a fan of yours. Could care less if you're enlightened or not, but no matter your status, I sure think you could fill the role -- be an authentic guru for almost anyone -- even if you chose were merely mood making about it. I like your style and love your clarity. And when you write about enlightenment, I read it with intense focus. Your choice of words never disappoints. Bravo. Put you on a divan with a dhoti and flowers and a mike, and you'd be a guru of deep value to 99% of the folks who'd come to you. Put Barry or Curtis or Alex or Off or Shemp or New in a dhoti, and it'd be a joke. I would drive a hundred miles to have lunch with ya. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prissy Blissy vs Hard-Corp John Wayne Spiritualism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 5, 2007, at 10:25 PM, new.morning wrote: (And the notion of some that MMY is an aghori is, well, quite laughable.) Who on earth would make such a crazy claim? That truly IS hilarious, if true. Peter used to regularly. And while it was sort of with a wink (I suppose), even the as a rough simile, it is quite funny, IMO. But I also don't get Jim's post -- he who has Perfect Crystalline Radiant Intellect (he who has perfected the Arrogance Siddhi) about prescription / description in the vedas. I assume he means MMY has been selling us a crock by Prescribing ayurved, jyotish, ghandarva-ved, forest academy, rajas, SV, etc instead of letting the Totally Enlightened in the highest state of Brahman Consciousness - - like Jim, live the totality of these things naturally, in their enlightenment -- that is to live the Description of the state. I can hardly wait to meet Jim's 12 year old wife, his slaves, watch him perform the Horse sacrafice, watch his queen copulate with the horse before all, before the horse is slaughtered, drink his own urine regularly, and all. May my unenlightened, but quite smart friends here, help to decipher the totality and depth of Jim's wisdom here -- radiating for Perfect Knowledge an Perfect Intellect -- in the highest state of consciousness. Sharing my experiences is arrogant? What do you call it when you do it? Oh...right...you don't...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prissy Blissy vs Hard-Corp John Wayne Spiritualism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 5, 2007, at 10:25 PM, new.morning wrote: (And the notion of some that MMY is an aghori is, well, quite laughable.) Who on earth would make such a crazy claim? That truly IS hilarious, if true. Peter used to regularly. And while it was sort of with a wink (I suppose), even the as a rough simile, it is quite funny, IMO. But I also don't get Jim's post -- he who has Perfect Crystalline Radiant Intellect (he who has perfected the Arrogance Siddhi) about prescription / description in the vedas. I assume he means MMY has been selling us a crock by Prescribing ayurved, jyotish, ghandarva-ved, forest academy, rajas, SV, etc instead of letting the Totally Enlightened in the highest state of Brahman Consciousness - - like Jim, live the totality of these things naturally, in their enlightenment -- that is to live the Description of the state. I can hardly wait to meet Jim's 12 year old wife, his slaves, watch him perform the Horse sacrafice, watch his queen copulate with the horse before all, before the horse is slaughtered, drink his own urine regularly, and all. May my unenlightened, but quite smart friends here, help to decipher the totality and depth of Jim's wisdom here -- radiating for Perfect Knowledge an Perfect Intellect -- in the highest state of consciousness. Sharing my experiences is arrogant? What do you call it when you do it? Oh...right...you don't... Jim, did you watch your trout this morning? Your perfect intellect is fading. I said nothing about sharing experience as arrogant. And I have shared a number myself over the years. But not in the tone of your post -- one-upmanship my consciousness big swinging dick is bigger than yours. My joke regarding you, and other self-proclaimed perfected ones having mastered the Arrogance Siddhi, is all about your claims to having a Perfect Crystalline Radiant Intellect, Perfect Knowledge -- in the highest state of perfected Brahaman Consciousness -- and then making silly contradictory statements over and over again. And I see you punted, as usual, and refused to address such contradictions and shortcomings, but choose to divert attention to fantasies that you make up. But that is natural for one who has perfected the Red Herring Siddi. All the best to you and your fantastic inner world Jim.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
jstein wrote: You can't do the same exercise with Iran. What are your two choices along the side of the chart? According to the moderator, you are way over your posting limit. Better put a lid on it! Rick Archer wrote: 59 posts since Friday midnight. Judy has 30. No one else is very close. The limit is 25 per week. Please keep a tally of your own posts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Coronation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: You're swiftboating a sport in order to make me out the fool here, and, not incidentally, you've besmirched homosexuality in an era of political correctitude, and thus shown yourself to be homophobic -- which, to professionals, is a massive tell of your own denying of dissonant, inner, latent, gender-identification issues. (You're queer, adjust to it, grab a man, and be happier.) I describe myself as a Meat-eating Sodomite living in a Hindu enclave of Jesusland. I've been out of the closet for about 14 years. But, hey! Thanks for the great rant! Snap! Now THATS entertainment!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question regarding TMO view on Pets
Put Barry or Curtis or Alex or Off or Shemp or New in a dhoti, and it'd be a joke. I wore one at my Vedic wedding. It made me look totally gay. Hey Edg, your the enemy of my enemy is my friend routine is also very gay. Now figure out which use of the word was I using in each case. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: Oh paleeze, I think I'm gonna puke! Here you go on and on and on about your logical inferences and ways that your mind works, sometimes for many, many paragraphs, post after post, and with your so called wit, and I have never insulted you the way that you do me. You always try to cut me down and make fun of what I say. You are a real jerk, new morning. Not funny or witty or insightful. Just another run of the mill mean spirited jerk. If you don't like what I say, skip it. Jimmy Boy, I gotta tell ya, ire is beautiful on ya! Nice cut. Drapes well. Ya's stylin' I tells ya. I'm a fan of yours. Could care less if you're enlightened or not, but no matter your status, I sure think you could fill the role -- be an authentic guru for almost anyone -- even if you chose were merely mood making about it. I like your style and love your clarity. And when you write about enlightenment, I read it with intense focus. Your choice of words never disappoints. Bravo. Put you on a divan with a dhoti and flowers and a mike, and you'd be a guru of deep value to 99% of the folks who'd come to you. Put Barry or Curtis or Alex or Off or Shemp or New in a dhoti, and it'd be a joke. I would drive a hundred miles to have lunch with ya. Edg
[FairfieldLife] The Healing Power of Laughter
Every few months I think back on my time with the Rama guy, and every time I do, I find myself thank- ful for something he taught me that was unique, something I haven't really seen that often on the spiritual smorgabord. One of these unique teachings was about the healing power of laughter. What, you say? That's not unique...there have been lots of spiritual teachers who taught about the healing power of laughing. There have even been scientific studies about the healing power of laughing. While this may be true, I wasn't talking about the healing power of laughing. I was talking about the healing power of being laughed at. Whatever else you may say about the Rama cult, we laughed a lot. At Rama's jokes, at the movies we'd go see together, in the desert, at home...laughter was a big thing in the Rama trip. And one of the things we got used to laughing at -- and to having it *be* laughed at -- was our self. Selves (small s) were fair game for laughter in the Rama trip. If you had an ego on you, it was going to be laughed at and made the butt of jokes, often in front of hundreds of other people. That was one of Rama's techniques for wearing away the hold that egos had on his students -- make fun of them and laugh at them. Not at the students, mind you. Only at their egos. And the egos cringed when laughed at. They felt a twinge of resentment or anger at being laughed at. But, possibly because the attention levels were so high while this laughter was going on, something would snap and you'd realize that all these people laughing at you were *right*, and that the machin- ations of your ego in this case *were* laughable, and the damnedest thing would happen. You'd find yourself laughing along with the people laughing at you. And I have to tell you, that's one of the neatest spiritual experiences I think you can have. Because the being laughing at his own ego is no longer that ego. Something has happened to shift one's identification with that ego, to knock it out of place enough so that one can see it for what it really is, and laugh at it. It's a real Castanedan shift-your-assemblage-poing experience. When someone makes fun of you, if their intent is clean, what they're doing is making *fun*. They're creating a kind of koan-like doorway into a world that is more *fun* than the one you're in now. They are saying to you, Dude...you're so *serious*, and over such mediocre shit. Lighten UP, and join the party. And if you can get this, you really *can* join the party. There are few things in life more liberating than getting to that point where you can laugh at your self. The very process of doing so seems to loosen the hold that that self has on the inner you, the one that would be laughing most of the time if that oh-so-serious self weren't in the way. Laughing at your self knocks it out of the way, and what is left is the eternal laughter of Self. In my experience, I think I learned more from and benefited more from those moments in which I was able to laugh at my own assholiness than I ever did from all that talk about holiness.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:08 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See) jstein wrote: You can't do the same exercise with Iran. What are your two choices along the side of the chart? According to the moderator, you are way over your posting limit. Better put a lid on it! I meant to type “35.” She’s not over. Rick Archer wrote: 59 posts since Friday midnight. Judy has 30. No one else is very close. The limit is 25 per week. Please keep a tally of your own posts. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 7:11 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from the Dhammapada
Is Toilet Paper vedic.? Or would Maharishi insist only on water to clean up so that it keeps the consiousness pure. Shemp thinks Butterflies come out of MMY.!! Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:09:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from the Dhammapada This whole turd in the toilet problem (TTP) is just another example of the confounding of states of mind with pure consciousness. I have no problem believing that the darshan of human waste would diminish ones mental state due to its tamasic nature, but would it impact pure consciousness, no. Another comment: how weak does one's mind have to be to be impacted by TTP? Pretty weak in my book. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp -- show your true colors (Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Thanks to Rick Archer, I've now been able to see the video. I have several impressions that I'd like to convey, but I'll only give one: Do the exact same exercise for Iran and Nuclear Weapons. See what course of action you come up with. You can't do the same exercise with Iran. What are your two choices along the side of the chart? In the video, the premise (upper left of grid where the GCC is written) is that there will be catastrophic man-made global warming. Instead, the premise is: Nuclear holocaust initiated by Iran as a result of Iran developing nuclear weapons. You ask, Judy, what are the choices along the side of the chart: they would be the same: False first and then True below it. Along the top of the grid would be the same A and B action representing, respectively yes and no. Now discuss...oh, and remember to ask yourself: what's more likely to actually happen: catastrophic global warming (man-made or otherwise) or Iran actually getting nuclear weapons. Gee, care to speculate on what the odds are of each of the above?
