date:20080221

   It all happened in Madison, Wisconsin, 
  On February 11, 2008
  I heard Obama, Obama, Obama...
  Having learned TM- many years ago...
  It started to be my mantra...
  I thought- Obama, Obama, Obama...
  I could feel the energy surge through my body
  I felt like I slipped into that light and peaceful place within.
  I began to imagine a bright truthful, inspired future;
  That can't be bad, I thought, felt, transcended-
  To the peace deep within.
  Sen. Obama had touched a deep place within me-
  Of humanity, amazing grace, I thought.
   
  Who is this Dude, anyway? Obama?
   
  He's making us 'Baby Boomers'-
  Looking worse than before: (Bill Clinton  George W. Bush  Now Add Johnny 
McCain to the List.
  (Go Johnny Go...)
  Sad, really...
   
  Robert Gimbel-  Sometimes in Madison, Wisconsin
   
  
 

   
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[FairfieldLife] 'Obama Needs Cooperation From Bush'

Sen. Obama needs to seek the cooperation of President Bush.Ask President 
Bush, to start working on 
  A cooperative transition team...
  Because the first sixties days, of any new government-
  Is a vulnerable time, that's normal.
  This gives us all a chance, to work together-
  In the spirit of common cause, of the people...
   
   

   
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[FairfieldLife] 'WHY Wasn't McCain Vetted?'

This is the irony of irony's...
  Poor old John McCain...
   

   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bruh! ; )

Heard that Bra!

[FairfieldLife] Wow, go Johnny Go...'

This is so kindergarten,  Wow...
  What a hypocrite...
  The Republican Party is so finished.
  President Obama sounds so good...
   
  Robert Gimbel  Seattle,WA

   
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president

One thing I know for sure, either Obama or McCain
would make a much better president than the true fool
we have in there now.

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 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why,
 ultimately, Obama will NEVER be
 president
 
  
 
 I doubt that because Obama really a pie in the sky
 tax and spend
 liberal with no qualifications what so ever. McCain
 is the better
 choice since he has promised not to raise taxes and
 has more political
 experience. He's better for the country. 
 
 Oh yeah. The Iraq war has been just great for the
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mother Meera, my neighbour

It doesn't have to one (personal sadhana) or the other
(the darshan of gurus). It is always both. Ramana
Maharishi said that the guru appears on the outside to
push and Self pushes from the inside. And that both
are the same thing.

--- gyselsvishnu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I go along with your conclusion that one has te be a
 'contributor' 
 working with the spiritual (and other) tools that
 one has, rather 
 than a receiver. Shree Maa told me once:
 'spirituality is giving 
 more than you take' which is true.
 
 On the other hand, we should be humble and open
 enough to 
 acknowledge that darshan of a highly evolved being
 may provide some 
 kind of 'positive contamination' of a subtle
 presence and quality of 
 being. I must say that I had this kind of experience
 with Mother 
 Meera.
 
 Since you belong to the German speaking world, you
 may be aware 
 of 'Meister' Mario Mantese, a Swiss spiritual
 teacher who also gives 
 darshans. He has a huge following in South Germany,
 Austria and 
 Switserland. People pay large amounts of money to
 just be in the 
 energy field of this 'cosmic master'. For me, it was
 not really 
 worth the money but my wife liked the experience
 very much.
 
 While Mother Meera encourages her visitors to engage
 in spiritual 
 practises, 'Meister M.' says they are all fruitless.
 Many people just like somebody else to take them to
 the light.
 I think that many so-called spiritual persons are
 basically lazy.
 
 It was Patanjali who said that only continuous
 practise without 
 break could bring any real results... 
 
 Dirk Gysels, Belgium
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J.
 Holtz 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Someone recently announced that Mother Meera would
 go on tour and 
 that people should announce their interest
 aborningly. Isn't it a 
 waste of time ?
  
  I am in the lucky position that Mother Meera is
 sitting in my 
 neighbourhood, 10 km far away at Balduinstein, State
 Rheinland-Pfalz 
 in Germany. I am with my family (my wife and four
 kids between 9 and 
 19) at Katzenelnbogen, dealing with organic
 fertilizer. It took my 
 quite some effort to once go there to that castle
 and have a look, 
 what would happen. I am honest enough to say that I
 did not expect 
 much, but Michael Zarte, one of her secretaries,
 coming to our 
 house, invited us as special customers and so we
 did not want to 
 be so impolite to refuse.
  
  The ambience could not have been much more
 eldrich: Somehow 
 arcane, after having taken off the shoes, my wife
 and me got lead 
 into a dimmy lighted hall, where many people sat on
 chairs arranged 
 in a rectangle to the stage, as if having been
 fallen into deep 
 lethargy. We got directed to a special place like in
 a dark film-
 theatre. We sat down and gazed. A lady in wrapped
 foulard sitting 
 cross-legged, with a face which we could hardly make
 out from the 
 distance, silently welcomed one visitor after the
 other without 
 saying anything. I thought, we also could have
 entered a crematory 
 or a church, there was not much difference in
 atmosphere. And there 
 was no difference at all, just dead unenlivened
 silence. I also was 
 not able to make out, what people to my right and
 those to my left 
 really wanted or expected, and I guess it was just
 the same with 
 them and it was exactly that, what linked us
 together to our common 
 expectations. And that was the only point, which was
 most impressing 
 to me in the whole event.
  
  The moral of the story for us was and is: Do not
 always look for 
 someone in your life, who may be giving you
 spiritual shelter. Be 
 keen enough to begin with being a spiritual
 contributor, even only 
 with small change, if you do not dare. Use the
 tools you got from 
 our master and my be from others. Stop wanting to be
 a believer and 
 be a doer ! Otherwise the emperor's new cloth tale
 is closer to your 
 heels than you may agnize.
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Behold the evil!

Well regarded for being an idiot and promoting a
pseudo-science? ;-)

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 It was nice to spot Saturn nearby. It should make
 for
 a well-photographed eclipse.
 
 It's a time of great evil.
 - a well-regarded FF astrologer
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president

Well, I disagree. I see McCain as a pragmatist who is
more interested in solving problems than pushing
ideologies to solve problems.

--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There's a school of thought which 
 holds that presidential administrations 
 work within the context of larger political 
 paradigms. Hence, Dwight Eisenhower and 
 Richard Nixon, while Republicans, did not 
 try to undo the social programs of Franklin 
 Delano Roosevelt, in whose political paradigm 
 those GOP presidents served. Only presidents 
 of the current Reagan paradigm have tried to 
 undo Social Security and the FDR legacy. 
 Another tenet of this theory is that the 
 last chief executive to serve in a given 
 paradigm is consistently seen as a failure. 
 Hence, history looks down on Herbert Hoover 
 and Jimmy Carter, who presided over the ends 
 of the Lincoln and FDR eras respectively.
 
 The question now is, who will preside over 
 the end of the Reagan era? It seems that 
 Bush 43 would have the dishonor, seeing as 
 his presidency has been of such questionable 
 worth to the nation and the world. But who 
 knows - the Reagan paradigm may not have yet 
 played itself out. Bush and Cheney may not 
 have ground it entirely into the dirt.
 
 Now we're determining whether Bush 43 is 
 the last president in the Reagan era, or 
 whether it may continue. If McCain is 
 elected, it almost surely means the 
 Reagan era is continuing, and if that's 
 the case, we can bet that it will continue 
 its downward slide. And if you accept all 
 that, you have to think that McCain could 
 preside over more failures than even George 
 W. Bush.
 
 Ergo, I disagree with Peter below. From 
 the worldview I've tried to outline above, 
 a McCain presidency would promise even 
 worse times than what President W has 
 administered.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  One thing I know for sure, either Obama or McCain
  would make a much better president than the true
 fool
  we have in there now.
  
  --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

   
   From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   On Behalf Of suziezuzie
   Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:40 PM
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why,
   ultimately, Obama will NEVER be
   president
   

   
   I doubt that because Obama really a pie in the
 sky
   tax and spend
   liberal with no qualifications what so ever.
 McCain
   is the better
   choice since he has promised not to raise taxes
 and
   has more political
   experience. He's better for the country. 
   
   Oh yeah. The Iraq war has been just great for
 the
   country.
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president

There's a school of thought which 
holds that presidential administrations 
work within the context of larger political 
paradigms. Hence, Dwight Eisenhower and 
Richard Nixon, while Republicans, did not 
try to undo the social programs of Franklin 
Delano Roosevelt, in whose political paradigm 
those GOP presidents served. Only presidents 
of the current Reagan paradigm have tried to 
undo Social Security and the FDR legacy. 
Another tenet of this theory is that the 
last chief executive to serve in a given 
paradigm is consistently seen as a failure. 
Hence, history looks down on Herbert Hoover 
and Jimmy Carter, who presided over the ends 
of the Lincoln and FDR eras respectively.

The question now is, who will preside over 
the end of the Reagan era? It seems that 
Bush 43 would have the dishonor, seeing as 
his presidency has been of such questionable 
worth to the nation and the world. But who 
knows - the Reagan paradigm may not have yet 
played itself out. Bush and Cheney may not 
have ground it entirely into the dirt.

Now we're determining whether Bush 43 is 
the last president in the Reagan era, or 
whether it may continue. If McCain is 
elected, it almost surely means the 
Reagan era is continuing, and if that's 
the case, we can bet that it will continue 
its downward slide. And if you accept all 
that, you have to think that McCain could 
preside over more failures than even George 
W. Bush.

Ergo, I disagree with Peter below. From 
the worldview I've tried to outline above, 
a McCain presidency would promise even 
worse times than what President W has 
administered.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 One thing I know for sure, either Obama or McCain
 would make a much better president than the true fool
 we have in there now.
 
 --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
  
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of suziezuzie
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:40 PM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why,
  ultimately, Obama will NEVER be
  president
  
   
  
  I doubt that because Obama really a pie in the sky
  tax and spend
  liberal with no qualifications what so ever. McCain
  is the better
  choice since he has promised not to raise taxes and
  has more political
  experience. He's better for the country. 
  
  Oh yeah. The Iraq war has been just great for the
  country.

[FairfieldLife] Baba Amte (was Re: Mother Meera, my neighbour)

Two things: one, thanks to Hagen for 
introducing me to the word eldrich. 
Two, I just learned of someone who 
seemed to exhibit values we've admired 
in this forum, from practical self-sufficiency 
to social activism to service. No laziness
in this guy. He died February 9, getting much 
attention in India at the same time Maharishi's 
funeral was in the news. If you enjoy reading 
biographies of inspiring people, here's 
the Washington Post obituary for Baba Amte.

http://tinyurl.com/2lh8kn

Baba Amte, 93; Champion of Lepers and Outcasts

By Adam Bernstein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, February 19, 2008; B07

Baba Amte, 93, a widely honored social activist who abandoned a life
of privilege in the late 1940s to dedicate himself to lepers and other
outcasts, died Feb. 9 at the leprosy shelter he founded at Warora, in
the western Indian state of Maharashtra. He had leukemia.

Mr. Amte was considered a leading humanitarian in Mohandas Gandhi's
tradition of justice through nonviolent protest.

He called his leprosy shelter Anandwan, or forest of joy, and chose
as its motto, Charity destroys, work builds. He emphasized dignity
and self-reliance among the tens of thousands of people who came to
Anandwan, which offers treatment, schools, farms and cultural activities.

Mr. Amte overcame great prejudice, including his own, when he began
working with lepers. The prevailing view was that leprosy was
punishment for a sin committed in an earlier life. Although the
disease was largely treatable, its victims were usually forsaken.

On the surface, Mr. Amte was an unlikely crusader for the
marginalized. He came from a land-owning, socially insular Brahmin
family, the highest Hindu caste. He studied at prestigious schools and
counted among his youthful indulgences a fondness for upholstering his
sports cars with panther skin.

At the same time, he was drawn to the writings of Karl Marx and Mao
Zedong and the socially stirring poems and music of Rabindranath
Tagore, a Nobel laureate who is regarded as a father of modern India.

So inspired, Mr. Amte showed an early fearlessness toward interacting
with lower castes. He ran away at 14 to live with a tribal group,
volunteered at 19 to help earthquake victims at Quetta, in what is now
Pakistan, and became a follower of Gandhi.

None of this was done with the encouragement of his parents.

There is a certain callousness in families like mine, he said. They
put up strong barriers so as not to see the misery in the world
outside, and I rebelled against it.

At his father's urging, Mr. Amte practiced law. He developed a
flourishing practice in the late 1930s but detested the work.

A client would admit he committed rape, and I was expected to obtain
an acquittal, he said. Worse still, when I succeeded, I was expected
to attend the celebration party.

He withdrew from his practice and, in the Gandhian tradition of
humility, toiled in agricultural fields owned by his family alongside
societal outcasts known as Untouchables. He campaigned for them to
use communal wells and to attend a temple, achieving the first by
pulling social rank and the second through a threat to fast until death.

Mr. Amte's most transformative moment came in the late 1940s when he
was walking home in the rain and saw a man huddled along the roadside.
The man was in the end stages of leprosy, missing fingers and covered
in maggots.

Mr. Amte said his initial reaction was horror. Fearing infection, he
ran away. But his conscience led him back to the man, Tulshiram, whose
name Mr. Amte never forgot. He returned with food and set up a bamboo
shelter to protect Tulshiram from the rain.

Where there is fear, there is no love, Mr. Amte said. Where there
is no love there is no God. That is why I took up leprosy work. Not to
help anyone but to overcome that fear in my life. That it worked out
good for others was a byproduct. But the fact is I did it to overcome
fear.

He attended the Calcutta School of Tropical Medicine and soon started
his own leprosy clinic with a government grant of 50 acres of rocky
scrubland.

Mr. Amte said he began with six patients, a cow, a dog and the
equivalent of $2. An early experience asking for money proved
humiliating, and he vowed the shelter would become self-sufficient by
growing grain and vegetables and digging its own wells.

Over time, he accumulated more than 430 acres, and Anandwan developed
the feel of a township, complete with orchestra, singers and dancers.
He committed himself to the minutest needs of the patients, such as
cultivating a thorn-less rose for their pleasure.

Murlidhar Devdas Amte was born Dec. 26, 1914, at Hinganghat, in
Maharashtra. His family gave him his lifelong nickname, Baba. As a
young man, he wrote movie reviews for film magazines and corresponded
with the Hollywood star Norma Shearer. She became an early financial
supporter of Anandwan, Mr. Amte said.

After leaving the law, Mr. Amte became an ascetic and grew what has
been described as a

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama's Got the Heavenly Touch!'

2008-02-21 Thread cardemaister

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[FairfieldLife] Re: When people call themselves brahman . . .

New.Morning, way behind on the FFL posts so I'm just getting to this 
one now, but I agree with you.  Being a good person is all about the 
person's 'intention' and 'attention'.  The prescriptions and 
proscriptions of scripture and law are mostly for reference, like 
the double yellow lines dividing traffic lanes.  Or so I feel.

A truly good person is in the flow of life, the Tao.  In that flow 
ownership of action doesn't exist because everything is flowing with 
their intentions, like having the wind at your back.

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 By the word saadhu don't understand it to be the ones who have
 red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The
 meaning of the word saadhu is 'good', the person who has a good
 disposition that man exists as a saadhu, 
 
 
 This, for me, is a great quote. It captures what I was trying to 
say
 some months ago about human virtues are the fruit and a milestone
 of any realization worth the name. (Marek, you may remember).Some
 people are good. To their core. That, to me, is a far more 
advanced
 state of freedom and refinement than merely having no owenership 
of
 action, and seeing (a type of) Oneness in everything. 
 
 A good person personifies all the virtues that shastras and good 
books
  attempt to distill and pass out as talking points and to do lists.
 The good person is beyond that. They define new and ever expanding
 levels of goodness in every act. They are a delight to be around.
 Always uplifting.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  
  
  When people call themselves brahman then afterwards go far from 
dharma
  and karma too, in this way, that condition [of oneness with 
brahman]
  is not nourished but is destroyed. 
  
  Therefore until you shrink from love of worldly things, then for 
as
  long as you are not returning to brahman, you should do worship 
of
  Bhagavan. Keep doing bhakti and when he will very much be in 
desire of
  Bhagavan, then afterwards you shall be freed from janma-maraNa ke
  chakkara - the wheel of birth and death.
  
  ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati  [Shri Shankaracharya 
UpadeshAmrita
  kaNa 9 of 108] 
  http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_9
  ==
  
  A few people are getting up and having a big argument to measure 
and
  distinguish saakaara (with form) and niraakaara (formless) 
separately.
  If you accept paramaatmaa is all-powerful then how can you say
  afterwards that he is not with form or that he is really 
shapeless? 
  
  If you have been accepting that paramaatmaa is all-powerful, it 
is
  improper to say that he is niraakaara (formless), that he is not
  having form. When he is said to be free and independent then 
what can
  he not be and what can he not do? 
  
  Bhagavan is nirguNa (without qualities) and saguNa (endowed with
  qualities). 
  
  ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati   [Shri Shankaracharya 
UpadeshAmrita
  kaNa 88 of 108] 
  http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_88
  ==
  
  The way of the group of those who believe in nirguNa [without
  qualities alone] spread more wickedness because these people do 
not
  accept the manifest form of Bhagavan [God] and suppose that the
  niraakaara [formless] cannot see or hear.
  
  So they do their mind's desires; they have no concern for what is
  wicked and what is sacred.
  
  ==
  
  'For the welfare of saadhu and for the destruction of the wicked 
I am
  manifest and for the estsablishment of dharma I am manifest.'
  
  ~Bhagavad Gita 4:8
  
  
  By the word saadhu don't understand it to be the ones who have
  red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The
  meaning of the word saadhu is 'good', the person who has a good
  disposition that man exists as a saadhu, that man accepts the 
code of
  conduct of the Veda shaastra, whose faith is in tending his own
  religion. Really for the welfare of them Bhagavan becomes the 
avataara
  (incarnation).
  
  ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati - Guru Dev
  [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108]
  http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_88

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president

War is the thing McCain knows best. I think people who hunt for spooks find 
them even when they are not there. Best prevention of ill will is good will. 
This should be the best policy. Good will towards all. Recycle ones waste 
into benefit for the poor. Not reduce all to waste.

I keep wishing for those who govern to think good first, economic status quo 
second. It's always merely crisis thinking, and then that crisis trods all 
others underfoot. Let's prevent crisis through sound common good sense and 
good will. Karma is as karma does.

You can tell your karma through what emotions you work from. If it's fear 
and hate and anger you feel then that is the karma you also make if you act 
upon that. And if you act through munificient motive then you produce that. 
Munificience. Whatever that means. The word felt good.

For that munificence one needs jnana however. What sort of jnana do you all 
think it takes to give up ill will and war and move to peace and good will?

Even mad persons however can act when they feel positivity and forego their 
own negative tendencies. I feel this whole spying thing is outrageous 
though. The nature of people which can create the CIA and KGB and SS and all 
the others. Spying and lying.

I will tell you who I think is the giver of jnana, and that is Yama.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Behold the evil!

2008-02-21 Thread gullible fool


Aparently, Peter, something about your message
offended yahoo (the word idiot, maybe?), cause yahoo
sent the lucky moderators an email with the following
heading and I had to approve the post to get it to our
lucky readers:

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FairfieldLife

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 Well regarded for being an idiot and promoting a
 pseudo-science? ;-)
 
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  It was nice to spot Saturn nearby. It should make
  for
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  It's a time of great evil.
  - a well-regarded FF astrologer
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Good karma of Swedes?

2008-02-21 Thread Alex Stanley

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 People in Finland are prone to think that Swedes are like
 Gladstone-Ganders. They tend succeed in almost everything
 they are up to. One curious example of this is my
 latest package of Sun-Maid Raisins[!]. For some reason
 I got one that was obviously meant for Swedish consumers,
 because it had, in addition to some English, only Swedish
 text.
 
 I've not been very satisfied with the quality of those
 raisins as long as I can recall, but that Swedish package
 contained raisins so juicy and delicious, I think I might
 never have had such before! What gives?

Sending inferior quality raisins to Finland is how they maintain that
Finnish depressive edginess you guys are so famous for.

[FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president

2008-02-21 Thread Roberto

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti18411 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 -- Re: the importance ofexperience for being president,
who would u vote for, a one term comgressman or a sitting
 vice-president,who has previously served as sec of defense,
 served in congress and was once chief of staff for the White House?
 just wondering :) Kevin

Experience doesn't matter anymore-
Don't you get it...
Cheney has plenty of experience.
It's more about enlightenment.
It's more about the new technology.
We can't go back to the 80's or the 50's...
McCain isn't Reagan and he isn't Ike.
Plus he's so nationalistic;
And would do anything for his country-
Sounds like psuedo fascism to me

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama's Got the Heavenly Touch!'

2008-02-21 Thread Roberto

 (snip)
 If 'Hussein' was his Christian name, would he have
 any chance to beat Hillary?  :D
 (snip)

If he was Mexican, and his name was Jesus(Pronouned Hey-Zuess)...
Same question?
Isn't the real question: Can I imagine a black guy as President of the 
United States of America?

Do we always need a white waspy kind of cracker in the WH.
Hasn't Bushie proved that a white guy can be an idiot?
Obama is the anti-bush.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Behold the evil!

2008-02-21 Thread Alex Stanley

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Aparently, Peter, something about your message
 offended yahoo (the word idiot, maybe?), cause yahoo
 sent the lucky moderators an email with the following
 heading and I had to approve the post to get it to our
 lucky readers:
 
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I don't think Yahoo filters out spam on the basis of inflammatory
language. I bet it had more to do with the large number of URLs and
email addresses contained in the post.

[FairfieldLife] Re: On Fidel Castro's retirement

Instant classic!  Had to wait for a while to stop laughing before I 
could type this.

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 Many observers believe Fidel Castro will either be replaced by his
 brother Raul, or by his idiot son, Fidel W. Castro.
 
 ~~ Letterman

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mother Meera, my neighbour

2008-02-21 Thread Hagen J. Holtz

Dirk,

thanks for your well-balanced reply. You are right, their might be lucent 
people in the world, whose presence is emanating something pleasant and for 
some even overwhelming. This I do not want to disavow. But the aptness of 
people to define their spiritual progress rather due to repetitive kicks from 
outside than going for hard mental work (in an for sure easy manner - that 
should not be the point !), makes me feel invoiced to tell them: Hey, come out 
of your cushy attitude and be initiative with full responsibility ! 

And if some Mario Mantese indirectly says, it's only fruitful to sit in my 
presence, then he is a really good and successful sucker. But in the nights, 
while counting his immense income of the day, on the one hand he presumably 
will not stop laughing... . But on the other hand very deep inside he must be 
feeling immense lonely, subconsciously waiting for the visitation of his own 
master of camouflage ... or may be, if he changed his mind, of awakening.

Hagen

  - Original Message - 
  From: gyselsvishnu 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:16 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mother Meera, my neighbour



  I go along with your conclusion that one has te be a 'contributor' 
  working with the spiritual (and other) tools that one has, rather 
  than a receiver. Shree Maa told me once: 'spirituality is giving 
  more than you take' which is true.

  On the other hand, we should be humble and open enough to 
  acknowledge that darshan of a highly evolved being may provide some 
  kind of 'positive contamination' of a subtle presence and quality of 
  being. I must say that I had this kind of experience with Mother 
  Meera.

  Since you belong to the German speaking world, you may be aware 
  of 'Meister' Mario Mantese, a Swiss spiritual teacher who also gives 
  darshans. He has a huge following in South Germany, Austria and 
  Switserland. People pay large amounts of money to just be in the 
  energy field of this 'cosmic master'. For me, it was not really 
  worth the money but my wife liked the experience very much.

  While Mother Meera encourages her visitors to engage in spiritual 
  practises, 'Meister M.' says they are all fruitless.
  Many people just like somebody else to take them to the light.
  I think that many so-called spiritual persons are basically lazy.

  It was Patanjali who said that only continuous practise without 
  break could bring any real results... 

  Dirk Gysels, Belgium

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Someone recently announced that Mother Meera would go on tour and 
  that people should announce their interest aborningly. Isn't it a 
  waste of time ?
   
   I am in the lucky position that Mother Meera is sitting in my 
  neighbourhood, 10 km far away at Balduinstein, State Rheinland-Pfalz 
  in Germany. I am with my family (my wife and four kids between 9 and 
  19) at Katzenelnbogen, dealing with organic fertilizer. It took my 
  quite some effort to once go there to that castle and have a look, 
  what would happen. I am honest enough to say that I did not expect 
  much, but Michael Zarte, one of her secretaries, coming to our 
  house, invited us as special customers and so we did not want to 
  be so impolite to refuse.
   
   The ambience could not have been much more eldrich: Somehow 
  arcane, after having taken off the shoes, my wife and me got lead 
  into a dimmy lighted hall, where many people sat on chairs arranged 
  in a rectangle to the stage, as if having been fallen into deep 
  lethargy. We got directed to a special place like in a dark film-
  theatre. We sat down and gazed. A lady in wrapped foulard sitting 
  cross-legged, with a face which we could hardly make out from the 
  distance, silently welcomed one visitor after the other without 
  saying anything. I thought, we also could have entered a crematory 
  or a church, there was not much difference in atmosphere. And there 
  was no difference at all, just dead unenlivened silence. I also was 
  not able to make out, what people to my right and those to my left 
  really wanted or expected, and I guess it was just the same with 
  them and it was exactly that, what linked us together to our common 
  expectations. And that was the only point, which was most impressing 
  to me in the whole event.
   
   The moral of the story for us was and is: Do not always look for 
  someone in your life, who may be giving you spiritual shelter. Be 
  keen enough to begin with being a spiritual contributor, even only 
  with small change, if you do not dare. Use the tools you got from 
  our master and my be from others. Stop wanting to be a believer and 
  be a doer ! Otherwise the emperor's new cloth tale is closer to your 
  heels than you may agnize.
   
   Hagen

[FairfieldLife] New winds are two edged swords (When people call themselves brahman )

Marek Reavis  wrote:  A truly good person is in the flow of life,
the Tao.  In that flow ownership of action doesn't exist because
everything is flowing with their intentions, like having the wind at
your back.

Marek,

Thanks for using that popular metaphor -- it suddenly hit me from a
new angle.  (So keep using those old saws out there people!)

To have the wind at one's back, it turns out, is merely one side of
the concept.  

There's the other side too.

Case in point:  To be literal, a lesson that all trikke newbies have
happen to them is that they start out trikking with the wind at their
backs, but it is such a slight breeze that they never notice it; then,
when they decide to return home, the same pathway now has this
hurricane blowing them to a standstill.  Oh, there's another wind
too:  a Trikke is lovingly called a invisible slope detection device
by trikkers, because if you're just learning how to carve, you find
out that virtually no surface is level and that in one direction you
can trikke pretty good as a newbie, but in the other you cannot go
even a single foot forwards -- until you truly learn how to work the
beast.  Can't call yourself a trikker until you can go up a steep hill!

To have the wind at one's back (God's help) and not be enlightened --
, prepare for a shock any second!  You're going along great and
think you're on top of things, then suddenly your direction in life
changes and you come to dead stop without any resources to move
forwards at the easy-peasy pace you were enjoying just moments before.
One thinks one's really trucking entirely on one's own merits, then
OOPS! where's my support of nature go?  I have this happen all the
time to me when a scenario requires me to have a whole notch more
compassion or insight or other personality dynamic, and BANG, there I
am with no real traction and a lot of growth needed.

I'm reminded of Karna, Arjuna's evil twin, who had this tapas-earned
boon that would have wiped out Arjuna's whole army in a blink, but
when he went to use it (a mantra that basically was like pulling the
trigger on an atomic bomb) he couldn't remember the damned mantra! 
Just like that, suddenly, Karna came up short -- thought he was a big
shot -- It's all downhill from here, Baby! -- but when the direction
of the battle changed, he suddenly found that all his powers were for
naught, and that he was lacking the ability he truly needed to call
himself a complete warrior (trikker) -- in this case it was his
inability to retain subtlety while in the heat of battle.

Trikkers know all about subtlety, let me tell ya!  A small scattering
of pebbles can getcha plowing the sod with a shoulder if hit them
just so, and a light wind can slow one down so much that people
with aluminum walkers start shooting by like hot-rod teens!  Oh, the
shame of it if one doesn't have the chops to meet the challenges of
wind and pebbles.

So, thanks, Marek, for a new insight into the support of nature being
an all time reality for the enlightened who are always sliding down
the gravity well with the wind at their backs -- it's a free ride all
the way!  They're surfing, always in freefall, and wondering what the
rest of us are talking about:  gravity? eh? whacha talkin' 'bout
gravity?  There's no gravity!

Edg

[FairfieldLife] Fuck God

I didn't really mean it. But what I did mean was that that's how we all act 
across most of the whole world. We need to take the commandments and make them 
work such as love thy neighbor. If you can't even love your neighbor, maybe 
saying fuck them all the time, then one cannot love Gkod personally. But I do 
mean this to include the whole planet and those who profess to lead. You act 
like you hate the Creation, thus you must hate the Creatrix. Poluting, never 
allowing new and better, just new and 'improved.' So anyway I just wanted to 
clarify. I mean why cannot the three richest people just start opening 
hospitals across the entire globe, for free. We need to reverse engineer 
polution. What does that mean, trees?  More parks. One can't swindle others and 
say they have care for a Creator. So in that way I said what I said. Fact is 
that if there's a Creator she sees everything.  I doubt all these people who 
say they believe in God mean it much if at all.

[FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president

Can't figure you out, Pete.

Your love for Sri Sri is obvious, that's very understandable, but,
yipes!, you toss your hat into a war-monger's camp?

It's a disconnect that, as a professional healer, you could be
supportive of the state-sponsored murdering of third world children
for oil.

What deep fear inside you is resonating with McCain's fears?

Where's the love is the answer sweetness of Sri Sri in your stance?

Honest, you really really surprised me.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, I disagree. I see McCain as a pragmatist who is
 more interested in solving problems than pushing
 ideologies to solve problems.
 
 --- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  There's a school of thought which 
  holds that presidential administrations 
  work within the context of larger political 
  paradigms. Hence, Dwight Eisenhower and 
  Richard Nixon, while Republicans, did not 
  try to undo the social programs of Franklin 
  Delano Roosevelt, in whose political paradigm 
  those GOP presidents served. Only presidents 
  of the current Reagan paradigm have tried to 
  undo Social Security and the FDR legacy. 
  Another tenet of this theory is that the 
  last chief executive to serve in a given 
  paradigm is consistently seen as a failure. 
  Hence, history looks down on Herbert Hoover 
  and Jimmy Carter, who presided over the ends 
  of the Lincoln and FDR eras respectively.
  
  The question now is, who will preside over 
  the end of the Reagan era? It seems that 
  Bush 43 would have the dishonor, seeing as 
  his presidency has been of such questionable 
  worth to the nation and the world. But who 
  knows - the Reagan paradigm may not have yet 
  played itself out. Bush and Cheney may not 
  have ground it entirely into the dirt.
  
  Now we're determining whether Bush 43 is 
  the last president in the Reagan era, or 
  whether it may continue. If McCain is 
  elected, it almost surely means the 
  Reagan era is continuing, and if that's 
  the case, we can bet that it will continue 
  its downward slide. And if you accept all 
  that, you have to think that McCain could 
  preside over more failures than even George 
  W. Bush.
  
  Ergo, I disagree with Peter below. From 
  the worldview I've tried to outline above, 
  a McCain presidency would promise even 
  worse times than what President W has 
  administered.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
  drpetersutphen@ wrote:
  
   One thing I know for sure, either Obama or McCain
   would make a much better president than the true
  fool
   we have in there now.
   
   --- Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
   
 

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On Behalf Of suziezuzie
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why,
ultimately, Obama will NEVER be
president

 

I doubt that because Obama really a pie in the
  sky
tax and spend
liberal with no qualifications what so ever.
  McCain
is the better
choice since he has promised not to raise taxes
  and
has more political
experience. He's better for the country. 

Oh yeah. The Iraq war has been just great for
  the
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Behold the evil!

No, it was the bad ju-ju from looking at the lunar
eclipse last night!

--- gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
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 --- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Well regarded for being an idiot and promoting a
  pseudo-science? ;-)
  
  --- gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   
   It was nice to spot Saturn nearby. It should
 make
   for
   a well-photographed eclipse.
   
   It's a time of great evil.
   - a well-regarded FF astrologer
   
   --- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
   

It has begun!

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[FairfieldLife] Abundance Ecovillage

2008-02-21 Thread Rick Archer

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[FairfieldLife] Letterman on McCain

2008-02-21 Thread do.rflex



http://tinyurl.com/25bn99

Re: [FairfieldLife] Baba Amte (was Re: Mother Meera, my neighbour)

2008-02-21 Thread Hagen J. Holtz

Pat, the matter is that there is a broad range between the two extremes, 
starting with apathy, going over lethargy, laziness, eagerness, trial and error 
up to most extreme social engagement like Baba's, the latter which I am 
admiring, but would definitely be out of my personal reach. I see it as enough 
to just apply the learned techniques ceaselessly like tooth-brushing, which 
also does not go out of fashion at a certain age, along with target-oriented 
and creative activity. And by activity I mean basically self-responsible 
entrepreneurial spirit instead of always looking in the binoculars, hoping for 
a new hero on the horizon to shine up.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Patrick Gillam 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 2:55 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Baba Amte (was Re: Mother Meera, my neighbour)


  Two things: one, thanks to Hagen for 
  introducing me to the word eldrich. 
  Two, I just learned of someone who 
  seemed to exhibit values we've admired 
  in this forum, from practical self-sufficiency 
  to social activism to service. No laziness
  in this guy. He died February 9, getting much 
  attention in India at the same time Maharishi's 
  funeral was in the news. If you enjoy reading 
  biographies of inspiring people, here's 
  the Washington Post obituary for Baba Amte.

  http://tinyurl.com/2lh8kn

  Baba Amte, 93; Champion of Lepers and Outcasts

  By Adam Bernstein
  Washington Post Staff Writer
  Tuesday, February 19, 2008; B07

  Baba Amte, 93, a widely honored social activist who abandoned a life
  of privilege in the late 1940s to dedicate himself to lepers and other
  outcasts, died Feb. 9 at the leprosy shelter he founded at Warora, in
  the western Indian state of Maharashtra. He had leukemia.

  Mr. Amte was considered a leading humanitarian in Mohandas Gandhi's
  tradition of justice through nonviolent protest.

  He called his leprosy shelter Anandwan, or forest of joy, and chose
  as its motto, Charity destroys, work builds. He emphasized dignity
  and self-reliance among the tens of thousands of people who came to
  Anandwan, which offers treatment, schools, farms and cultural activities.

  Mr. Amte overcame great prejudice, including his own, when he began
  working with lepers. The prevailing view was that leprosy was
  punishment for a sin committed in an earlier life. Although the
  disease was largely treatable, its victims were usually forsaken.

  On the surface, Mr. Amte was an unlikely crusader for the
  marginalized. He came from a land-owning, socially insular Brahmin
  family, the highest Hindu caste. He studied at prestigious schools and
  counted among his youthful indulgences a fondness for upholstering his
  sports cars with panther skin.

  At the same time, he was drawn to the writings of Karl Marx and Mao
  Zedong and the socially stirring poems and music of Rabindranath
  Tagore, a Nobel laureate who is regarded as a father of modern India.

  So inspired, Mr. Amte showed an early fearlessness toward interacting
  with lower castes. He ran away at 14 to live with a tribal group,
  volunteered at 19 to help earthquake victims at Quetta, in what is now
  Pakistan, and became a follower of Gandhi.

  None of this was done with the encouragement of his parents.

  There is a certain callousness in families like mine, he said. They
  put up strong barriers so as not to see the misery in the world
  outside, and I rebelled against it.

  At his father's urging, Mr. Amte practiced law. He developed a
  flourishing practice in the late 1930s but detested the work.

  A client would admit he committed rape, and I was expected to obtain
  an acquittal, he said. Worse still, when I succeeded, I was expected
  to attend the celebration party.

  He withdrew from his practice and, in the Gandhian tradition of
  humility, toiled in agricultural fields owned by his family alongside
  societal outcasts known as Untouchables. He campaigned for them to
  use communal wells and to attend a temple, achieving the first by
  pulling social rank and the second through a threat to fast until death.

  Mr. Amte's most transformative moment came in the late 1940s when he
  was walking home in the rain and saw a man huddled along the roadside.
  The man was in the end stages of leprosy, missing fingers and covered
  in maggots.

  Mr. Amte said his initial reaction was horror. Fearing infection, he
  ran away. But his conscience led him back to the man, Tulshiram, whose
  name Mr. Amte never forgot. He returned with food and set up a bamboo
  shelter to protect Tulshiram from the rain.

  Where there is fear, there is no love, Mr. Amte said. Where there
  is no love there is no God. That is why I took up leprosy work. Not to
  help anyone but to overcome that fear in my life. That it worked out
  good for others was a byproduct. But the fact is I did it to overcome
  fear.

  He attended the Calcutta School of Tropical

[FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president

2008-02-21 Thread do.rflex

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can't figure you out, Pete.
 
 Your love for Sri Sri is obvious, that's very understandable, but,
 yipes!, you toss your hat into a war-monger's camp?
 
 It's a disconnect that, as a professional healer, you could be
 supportive of the state-sponsored murdering of third world children
 for oil.
 
 What deep fear inside you is resonating with McCain's fears?
 
 Where's the love is the answer sweetness of Sri Sri in your stance?
 
 Honest, you really really surprised me.
 
 Edg


McCain Ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gwqEneBKUs
==

McCain is less than truthful?

I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do
about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated.

~~  John McCain - Wall Street Journal - http://tinyurl.com/7pfca


The issue of economics is something that I've really never understood
as well as I should. I understand the basics, the fundamentals, the
vision, all that kind of stuff, he said. But I would like to have
someone I'm close to that really is a good strong economist. As long
as Alan Greenspan is around I would certainly use him for advice and
counsel.

~~  John McCain - Baltimore Sun - http://tinyurl.com/322e3r


Here's John McCain in a later debate:

Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bogh_sp5SE0 



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
 
  Well, I disagree. I see McCain as a pragmatist who is
  more interested in solving problems than pushing
  ideologies to solve problems.
  
  --- Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote:
  
   There's a school of thought which 
   holds that presidential administrations 
   work within the context of larger political 
   paradigms. Hence, Dwight Eisenhower and 
   Richard Nixon, while Republicans, did not 
   try to undo the social programs of Franklin 
   Delano Roosevelt, in whose political paradigm 
   those GOP presidents served. Only presidents 
   of the current Reagan paradigm have tried to 
   undo Social Security and the FDR legacy. 
   Another tenet of this theory is that the 
   last chief executive to serve in a given 
   paradigm is consistently seen as a failure. 
   Hence, history looks down on Herbert Hoover 
   and Jimmy Carter, who presided over the ends 
   of the Lincoln and FDR eras respectively.
   
   The question now is, who will preside over 
   the end of the Reagan era? It seems that 
   Bush 43 would have the dishonor, seeing as 
   his presidency has been of such questionable 
   worth to the nation and the world. But who 
   knows - the Reagan paradigm may not have yet 
   played itself out. Bush and Cheney may not 
   have ground it entirely into the dirt.
   
   Now we're determining whether Bush 43 is 
   the last president in the Reagan era, or 
   whether it may continue. If McCain is 
   elected, it almost surely means the 
   Reagan era is continuing, and if that's 
   the case, we can bet that it will continue 
   its downward slide. And if you accept all 
   that, you have to think that McCain could 
   preside over more failures than even George 
   W. Bush.
   
   Ergo, I disagree with Peter below. From 
   the worldview I've tried to outline above, 
   a McCain presidency would promise even 
   worse times than what President W has 
   administered.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
   drpetersutphen@ wrote:
   
One thing I know for sure, either Obama or McCain
would make a much better president than the true
   fool
we have in there now.

--- Rick Archer rick@ wrote:

  
 
 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of suziezuzie
 Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:40 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why,
 ultimately, Obama will NEVER be
 president
 
  
 
 I doubt that because Obama really a pie in the
   sky
 tax and spend
 liberal with no qualifications what so ever.
   McCain
 is the better
 choice since he has promised not to raise taxes
   and
 has more political
 experience. He's better for the country. 
 
 Oh yeah. The Iraq war has been just great for
   the
 country.
   
   
   
   
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question



 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sticheau sticheau@ wrote:
  

   
   
   
   Dude, you need an Advanced Technique ($3,000)!
  
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 no_reply@ wrote:

  I had a few of them, the last one was $300 and I thought that was
  outrageous.
  
  A real Guru would not ask a penny for such knowledge.
Harih Om Tat Sat

 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 1) MMY never claimed to be a guru in that sense.
 2) leaving aside allegations of corruption (is any large
organization immune to that?), the 
 money goes to pay for programs of development, not personal gain. Of
course, you might 
 think that MMY was al about the ego, and that is your right, but it
seems a superficial 
 evaluation of him, to me.
 
 Lawson



Where did I ever suggest anything about ego?
Other than the evidence lies in the fact that basically all the
various branches of Veda were renamed and trademarked with the name
Maharishi
My evaluations are based on what scripture says about selling Veda.

I was overjoyed for years.

Nobody here can know the extent of karmic results from all this.

I only pray to be forgiven for any mistakes I made, to see the path
clearly and that Mother Goddess as Guru light the way.

Jai Sri Mata

[FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president

I agree with your assessment of John 
McCain. My remarks have more to do 
with the collective consciousness in 
which he or any president would work. 
Here I confess that I buy into 
Maharishi's notion of collective 
consciousness and its relationship 
to leadership. The president as a 
person may wish to take the nation 
in this or that direction, but in 
truth, he or she is in thrall to 
the collective will - or lack thereof. 

I'm viewing these political paradigms 
as concrete expressions of collective 
consciousness. If the Reagan paradigm 
is close to hitting bottom, and McCain 
gets elected, he's fucked. He's doomed
precisely *because* he's a pragmatist.
For a pragmatist plays with the hand
he's dealt. At the end of a paradigm,
what's needed is a visionary - someone
who can create a new political paradigm;
a new idea of what government can or
cannot do. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, I disagree. I see McCain as a pragmatist who is
 more interested in solving problems than pushing
 ideologies to solve problems.
 
 --- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  There's a school of thought which 
  holds that presidential administrations 
  work within the context of larger political 
  paradigms. Hence, Dwight Eisenhower and 
  Richard Nixon, while Republicans, did not 
  try to undo the social programs of Franklin 
  Delano Roosevelt, in whose political paradigm 
  those GOP presidents served. Only presidents 
  of the current Reagan paradigm have tried to 
  undo Social Security and the FDR legacy. 
  Another tenet of this theory is that the 
  last chief executive to serve in a given 
  paradigm is consistently seen as a failure. 
  Hence, history looks down on Herbert Hoover 
  and Jimmy Carter, who presided over the ends 
  of the Lincoln and FDR eras respectively.
  
  The question now is, who will preside over 
  the end of the Reagan era? It seems that 
  Bush 43 would have the dishonor, seeing as 
  his presidency has been of such questionable 
  worth to the nation and the world. But who 
  knows - the Reagan paradigm may not have yet 
  played itself out. Bush and Cheney may not 
  have ground it entirely into the dirt.
  
  Now we're determining whether Bush 43 is 
  the last president in the Reagan era, or 
  whether it may continue. If McCain is 
  elected, it almost surely means the 
  Reagan era is continuing, and if that's 
  the case, we can bet that it will continue 
  its downward slide. And if you accept all 
  that, you have to think that McCain could 
  preside over more failures than even George 
  W. Bush.
  
  Ergo, I disagree with Peter below. From 
  the worldview I've tried to outline above, 
  a McCain presidency would promise even 
  worse times than what President W has 
  administered.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
  drpetersutphen@ wrote:
  
   One thing I know for sure, either Obama or McCain
   would make a much better president than the true
  fool
   we have in there now.
   
   --- Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
   
 

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On Behalf Of suziezuzie
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:40 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why,
ultimately, Obama will NEVER be
president

 

I doubt that because Obama really a pie in the
  sky
tax and spend
liberal with no qualifications what so ever.
  McCain
is the better
choice since he has promised not to raise taxes
  and
has more political
experience. He's better for the country. 

Oh yeah. The Iraq war has been just great for
  the
country.
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] New winds are two edged swords (When people call themselves brahman )

Such a person would be awesome in the courtroom,
Marek.  



--- Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Marek Reavis  wrote:  A truly good person is in
 the flow of life,
 the Tao.  In that flow ownership of action doesn't
 exist because
 everything is flowing with their intentions, like
 having the wind at
 your back.
 
 Marek,
 
 Thanks for using that popular metaphor -- it
 suddenly hit me from a
 new angle.  (So keep using those old saws out there
 people!)
 
 To have the wind at one's back, it turns out, is
 merely one side of
 the concept.  
 
 There's the other side too.
 
 Case in point:  To be literal, a lesson that all
 trikke newbies have
 happen to them is that they start out trikking with
 the wind at their
 backs, but it is such a slight breeze that they
 never notice it; then,
 when they decide to return home, the same pathway
 now has this
 hurricane blowing them to a standstill.  Oh,
 there's another wind
 too:  a Trikke is lovingly called a invisible slope
 detection device
 by trikkers, because if you're just learning how to
 carve, you find
 out that virtually no surface is level and that in
 one direction you
 can trikke pretty good as a newbie, but in the other
 you cannot go
 even a single foot forwards -- until you truly learn
 how to work the
 beast.  Can't call yourself a trikker until you can
 go up a steep hill!
 
 To have the wind at one's back (God's help) and not
 be enlightened --
 , prepare for a shock any second!  You're going
 along great and
 think you're on top of things, then suddenly your
 direction in life
 changes and you come to dead stop without any
 resources to move
 forwards at the easy-peasy pace you were enjoying
 just moments before.
 One thinks one's really trucking entirely on one's
 own merits, then
 OOPS! where's my support of nature go?  I have this
 happen all the
 time to me when a scenario requires me to have a
 whole notch more
 compassion or insight or other personality dynamic,
 and BANG, there I
 am with no real traction and a lot of growth needed.
 
 I'm reminded of Karna, Arjuna's evil twin, who had
 this tapas-earned
 boon that would have wiped out Arjuna's whole army
 in a blink, but
 when he went to use it (a mantra that basically was
 like pulling the
 trigger on an atomic bomb) he couldn't remember the
 damned mantra! 
 Just like that, suddenly, Karna came up short --
 thought he was a big
 shot -- It's all downhill from here, Baby! -- but
 when the direction
 of the battle changed, he suddenly found that all
 his powers were for
 naught, and that he was lacking the ability he truly
 needed to call
 himself a complete warrior (trikker) -- in this case
 it was his
 inability to retain subtlety while in the heat of
 battle.
 
 Trikkers know all about subtlety, let me tell ya!  A
 small scattering
 of pebbles can getcha plowing the sod with a
 shoulder if hit them
 just so, and a light wind can slow one down so
 much that people
 with aluminum walkers start shooting by like hot-rod
 teens!  Oh, the
 shame of it if one doesn't have the chops to meet
 the challenges of
 wind and pebbles.
 
 So, thanks, Marek, for a new insight into the
 support of nature being
 an all time reality for the enlightened who are
 always sliding down
 the gravity well with the wind at their backs --
 it's a free ride all
 the way!  They're surfing, always in freefall, and
 wondering what the
 rest of us are talking about:  gravity? eh? whacha
 talkin' 'bout
 gravity?  There's no gravity!
 
 Edg
 
 
 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fuck God

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I didn't really mean it. But what I did mean was that that's how we
all act across most of the whole world. We need to take the
commandments and make them work such as love thy neighbor. If you
can't even love your neighbor, maybe saying fuck them all the time,
then one cannot love Gkod personally. But I do mean this to include
the whole planet and those who profess to lead. You act like you hate
the Creation, thus you must hate the Creatrix. Poluting, never
allowing new and better, just new and 'improved.' So anyway I just
wanted to clarify. I mean why cannot the three richest people just
start opening hospitals across the entire globe, for free. We need to
reverse engineer polution. What does that mean, trees?  More parks.
One can't swindle others and say they have care for a Creator. So in
that way I said what I said. Fact is that if there's a Creator she
sees everything.  I doubt all these people who say they believe in God
mean it much if at all.


Yes, but you said it.

Everytime we open our mouth isn't the karmic wheel further engaged?
Munis understand this and don't speak unless spoken to, if at all.

Om Shanti

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 
 sandiego108@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvosteen monroe1@ 
 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  On Feb 19, 2008, at 2:12 PM, netineti3 wrote:
  
   We were told that TM was the fastest way to liberation.
   Where did this declaration come from?
  
  
  The TM PR machine.
 
 Maharishi said this himself which I saw on some video during 
phase ! 
 of TTC. If I remember correctly he said TM was a jet plane 
 to 
 enlightenment. This was a response to someone referring to 
 Kriya 
yoga 
 as the airplane to enlightenment.
 
 Please correct me if I don't have this quite right, its been 
 over 
30 
 years.

kriya yoga = propeller plane, TM = jet plane, TM-Siddhis = 
 rocket 
ship.
   
   :-)
  
  That man who said Give me a Million and you'll get enlightenment.
  That man who contradicted Patanjali's own text.
  Siddhis don't bring enlightenment. 
  Believing it doesn't make it right.
 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 believing it doesn't make it shit. experience is the only proof, 
 ever.

How valid is experience, really?
Isn't it tainted with all vasanas and samskaras.
Experience could be the shite
in the end.

Who knows?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Description of mantra?? : D

Good points.  The way I see it a person can take one of two divergent 
paths when starting to figure out what the OT is talking about.  
Either you take the secular path (we can read Frye and Harold Bloom 
for good starters) or you can plunge right into the Rabbinic 
commentaries.  These are extremely vast, deep and go way back into 
commentaries gathered up in the Talmud.  Way back.  Frankly, after 
looking at the secular writers I prefer the Rabbinic writers, even if 
they are flawed and full of their own belief systems shortcomings.  
Having said that, there are Rabbi's and there are Rabbi's.  It takes 
years to figure out who is appealing.  Believe me, most Jews never 
take a deeper interest beyond Rashi and that is just fine.  Some take 
the time to read deeper analysis and it just gets harder to 
comprehend as you go along.  The mystical interpretations are all but 
impossible to really grasp.  My choice, as I say is to work with the 
Rabbinic commentaries.  Other people just stay away from them and 
well, that's their choice.

fred


[snip]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question

2008-02-21 Thread sandiego108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
no_reply@ 
  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 
  sandiego108@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvosteen 
monroe1@ 
  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ 
  wrote:
  
   
   On Feb 19, 2008, at 2:12 PM, netineti3 wrote:
   
We were told that TM was the fastest way to 
liberation.
Where did this declaration come from?
   
   
   The TM PR machine.
  
  Maharishi said this himself which I saw on some video 
during 
 phase ! 
  of TTC. If I remember correctly he said TM was a jet 
plane 
  to 
  enlightenment. This was a response to someone referring 
to 
  Kriya 
 yoga 
  as the airplane to enlightenment.
  
  Please correct me if I don't have this quite right, its 
been 
  over 
 30 
  years.
 
 kriya yoga = propeller plane, TM = jet plane, TM-Siddhis = 
  rocket 
 ship.

:-)
   
   That man who said Give me a Million and you'll get 
enlightenment.
   That man who contradicted Patanjali's own text.
   Siddhis don't bring enlightenment. 
   Believing it doesn't make it right.
  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@
 wrote:
 
  believing it doesn't make it shit. experience is the only proof, 
  ever.
 
 How valid is experience, really?
 Isn't it tainted with all vasanas and samskaras.
 Experience could be the shite
 in the end.
 
 Who knows?

yes, i agree we are also free to over-think and confuse ourselves as 
often as we like. for me a rock is just a rock. for others, who 
knows?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president

2008-02-21 Thread Bhairitu

suziezuzie wrote:-
 I doubt that because Obama really a pie in the sky tax and spend
 liberal with no qualifications what so ever. McCain is the better
 choice since he has promised not to raise taxes and has more political
 experience. He's better for the country. 
ROTFL!  This country will never elect another Republican president after 
the mess this one has made.  McCain is old, he has had cancer so there 
is a likelihood he'll come down with it again.  It will be easy to 
defeat him.  One thing is for sure this will be a very dirty and hostile 
election year.

[FairfieldLife] Let's take a walk. Speaking with Deepak

2008-02-21 Thread william108wm

I spoke with Deepak Chopra this morning after a radio interview he did
in DC.
As we walked to his car, he spoke about his sadness about the current
state of the TM org. I mentioned that I felt that his recent essays
after Maharishi's passing were very valuable for people to hear and
that it has stimulated alot of emails on this YahooGroup discussion
board. He said that he just had to do it to clear the air about his
relationship with the TM org over the years.

He said that when Maharishi first came to Holland Deepak got Tony
Nadar's attention and said Let's take a walk.
During that walk he told Tony about all the details of Maharishi's   
near death illnesses and his time in England. 
Deepak said that upon hearing this, Tony was in shock and said to him
I don't believe a word of this. 

I asked Deepak if I may share his conversation with this group. He said
Absolutely

John

[FairfieldLife] Re: New winds are two edged swords (When people call themselves brahman )

Angela, one of the great satisfactions in my life is to meet with a 
client in jail (and for the very first time), and have her/him say 
that they were really happy that I'm their attorney because they've 
heard about me from other inmates and they know that they are in good 
hands.

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Such a person would be awesome in the courtroom,
 Marek.  
 
 
 
 --- Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Marek Reavis  wrote:  A truly good person is in
  the flow of life,
  the Tao.  In that flow ownership of action doesn't
  exist because
  everything is flowing with their intentions, like
  having the wind at
  your back.
  
  Marek,
  
  Thanks for using that popular metaphor -- it
  suddenly hit me from a
  new angle.  (So keep using those old saws out there
  people!)
  
  To have the wind at one's back, it turns out, is
  merely one side of
  the concept.  
  
  There's the other side too.
  
  Case in point:  To be literal, a lesson that all
  trikke newbies have
  happen to them is that they start out trikking with
  the wind at their
  backs, but it is such a slight breeze that they
  never notice it; then,
  when they decide to return home, the same pathway
  now has this
  hurricane blowing them to a standstill.  Oh,
  there's another wind
  too:  a Trikke is lovingly called a invisible slope
  detection device
  by trikkers, because if you're just learning how to
  carve, you find
  out that virtually no surface is level and that in
  one direction you
  can trikke pretty good as a newbie, but in the other
  you cannot go
  even a single foot forwards -- until you truly learn
  how to work the
  beast.  Can't call yourself a trikker until you can
  go up a steep hill!
  
  To have the wind at one's back (God's help) and not
  be enlightened --
  , prepare for a shock any second!  You're going
  along great and
  think you're on top of things, then suddenly your
  direction in life
  changes and you come to dead stop without any
  resources to move
  forwards at the easy-peasy pace you were enjoying
  just moments before.
  One thinks one's really trucking entirely on one's
  own merits, then
  OOPS! where's my support of nature go?  I have this
  happen all the
  time to me when a scenario requires me to have a
  whole notch more
  compassion or insight or other personality dynamic,
  and BANG, there I
  am with no real traction and a lot of growth needed.
  
  I'm reminded of Karna, Arjuna's evil twin, who had
  this tapas-earned
  boon that would have wiped out Arjuna's whole army
  in a blink, but
  when he went to use it (a mantra that basically was
  like pulling the
  trigger on an atomic bomb) he couldn't remember the
  damned mantra! 
  Just like that, suddenly, Karna came up short --
  thought he was a big
  shot -- It's all downhill from here, Baby! -- but
  when the direction
  of the battle changed, he suddenly found that all
  his powers were for
  naught, and that he was lacking the ability he truly
  needed to call
  himself a complete warrior (trikker) -- in this case
  it was his
  inability to retain subtlety while in the heat of
  battle.
  
  Trikkers know all about subtlety, let me tell ya!  A
  small scattering
  of pebbles can getcha plowing the sod with a
  shoulder if hit them
  just so, and a light wind can slow one down so
  much that people
  with aluminum walkers start shooting by like hot-rod
  teens!  Oh, the
  shame of it if one doesn't have the chops to meet
  the challenges of
  wind and pebbles.
  
  So, thanks, Marek, for a new insight into the
  support of nature being
  an all time reality for the enlightened who are
  always sliding down
  the gravity well with the wind at their backs --
  it's a free ride all
  the way!  They're surfing, always in freefall, and
  wondering what the
  rest of us are talking about:  gravity? eh? whacha
  talkin' 'bout
  gravity?  There's no gravity!
  
  Edg
  
  
  
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New winds are two edged swords (When people call themselves brahman )

Comment below:

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Marek Reavis  wrote:  A truly good person is in the flow of life,
 the Tao.  In that flow ownership of action doesn't exist because
 everything is flowing with their intentions, like having the wind at
 your back.
 
 Marek,
 
 Thanks for using that popular metaphor -- it suddenly hit me from a
 new angle.  (So keep using those old saws out there people!)
 
 To have the wind at one's back, it turns out, is merely one side of
 the concept.  
 
 There's the other side too.
 
 Case in point:  To be literal, a lesson that all trikke newbies 
have
 happen to them is that they start out trikking with the wind at 
their
 backs, but it is such a slight breeze that they never notice it; 
then,
 when they decide to return home, the same pathway now has this
 hurricane blowing them to a standstill.  Oh, there's 
another wind
 too:  a Trikke is lovingly called a invisible slope detection 
device
 by trikkers, because if you're just learning how to carve, you find
 out that virtually no surface is level and that in one direction you
 can trikke pretty good as a newbie, but in the other you cannot go
 even a single foot forwards -- until you truly learn how to work the
 beast.  Can't call yourself a trikker until you can go up a steep 
hill!
 
 To have the wind at one's back (God's help) and not be enlightened -
-
 , prepare for a shock any second!  You're going along great and
 think you're on top of things, then suddenly your direction in life
 changes and you come to dead stop without any resources to move
 forwards at the easy-peasy pace you were enjoying just moments 
before.
 One thinks one's really trucking entirely on one's own merits, then
 OOPS! where's my support of nature go?  I have this happen all the
 time to me when a scenario requires me to have a whole notch more
 compassion or insight or other personality dynamic, and BANG, there 
I
 am with no real traction and a lot of growth needed.
 
 I'm reminded of Karna, Arjuna's evil twin, who had this tapas-earned
 boon that would have wiped out Arjuna's whole army in a blink, but
 when he went to use it (a mantra that basically was like pulling the
 trigger on an atomic bomb) he couldn't remember the damned mantra! 
 Just like that, suddenly, Karna came up short -- thought he was a 
big
 shot -- It's all downhill from here, Baby! -- but when the 
direction
 of the battle changed, he suddenly found that all his powers were 
for
 naught, and that he was lacking the ability he truly needed to call
 himself a complete warrior (trikker) -- in this case it was his
 inability to retain subtlety while in the heat of battle.
 
 Trikkers know all about subtlety, let me tell ya!  A small 
scattering
 of pebbles can getcha plowing the sod with a shoulder if hit them
 just so, and a light wind can slow one down so much that people
 with aluminum walkers start shooting by like hot-rod teens!  Oh, the
 shame of it if one doesn't have the chops to meet the challenges of
 wind and pebbles.
 
 So, thanks, Marek, for a new insight into the support of nature 
being
 an all time reality for the enlightened who are always sliding down
 the gravity well with the wind at their backs -- it's a free ride 
all
 the way!  They're surfing, always in freefall, and wondering what 
the
 rest of us are talking about:  gravity? eh? whacha talkin' 'bout
 gravity?  There's no gravity!
 
 Edg

**end**

Edg, it's really difficult not to always relate everything to surfing 
since it's the perfect metaphor for life. If given half a chance I 
find myself talking like one of the sea turtles in Finding Nemo.  
Kind of like you and Trikking  -- groovy.

I love your invisible slope detector term, and that's what a good 
life cultivates, I feel; and a good life includes meditation (it's 
what intelligent people do - R. Williams) or something similar to 
meditation.  

We're catapulted into this life with absolutely no choice in the 
matter or idea of what's happening (puffed rice shot from cannons) 
and somewhere along the way we start taking stock of what's going on 
in our life and how do we 'work' this thing and sooner or later we 
learn to detect and take advantage of all the invisible slopes that 
make up the greater part of our lives.  The better we become at 
detecting and utilizing these slopes, the easier and more enjoyable 
our life's trajectory.  Just like Trikking.

And it's so totally like surfing.  It's been a year since I started 
and it's only been recently that I've surrendered my title of the 
world's worst surfer to some other hopeless doofus cracking his head 
(like me) one more time as he clumsily falls *onto* his board rather 
than off it.  Oftentimes I'll spend two or three hours in the surf 
and catch maybe a half-a-dozen good waves (and screw up on half of 
those) and finally while wading back in through thigh-high surf with 
my hand just steadying my board at my side, I'll watch

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president

Collective consciousness as described by Maharishi would not be different 
from the grand rule of AGNIM which states that fullness collapses to a point 
and then the point is negated and is released back again into fullness. Thus 
the prime minister or president is a point value of collective 
consciousness. If the collective consciousness is very pure supercool then 
the head is the first to respond to some supersymmetry break. Which is then 
cut off by NI and can evolve into a new bindu to respond to an a threat. 
However, if there is too much inertia as shown when too much heat, or too 
much gas, or too much overemphasis on point value then old threats gain 
momentum until the mixture is heterogenous. Thus a society needs to be 
constantly cooled to draw heat or most likely it gives it off. Society must 
remain on fullness value. This is the Maharishi Effect as I understand it.

Prime Minister is different from Raam or Sun God Sun King or Messiah who is 
the one who shows how to maintain fullness. While PMs and Presidents deal 
with supersymmerty recrystallization. Sounds nice. Jai Ram.

- Original Message - 
From: Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:01 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be 
president


I agree with your assessment of John
 McCain. My remarks have more to do
 with the collective consciousness in
 which he or any president would work.
 Here I confess that I buy into
 Maharishi's notion of collective
 consciousness and its relationship
 to leadership. The president as a
 person may wish to take the nation
 in this or that direction, but in
 truth, he or she is in thrall to
 the collective will - or lack thereof.

 I'm viewing these political paradigms
 as concrete expressions of collective
 consciousness. If the Reagan paradigm
 is close to hitting bottom, and McCain
 gets elected, he's fucked. He's doomed
 precisely *because* he's a pragmatist.
 For a pragmatist plays with the hand
 he's dealt. At the end of a paradigm,
 what's needed is a visionary - someone
 who can create a new political paradigm;
 a new idea of what government can or
 cannot do.


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, I disagree. I see McCain as a pragmatist who is
 more interested in solving problems than pushing
 ideologies to solve problems.

 --- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  There's a school of thought which
  holds that presidential administrations
  work within the context of larger political
  paradigms. Hence, Dwight Eisenhower and
  Richard Nixon, while Republicans, did not
  try to undo the social programs of Franklin
  Delano Roosevelt, in whose political paradigm
  those GOP presidents served. Only presidents
  of the current Reagan paradigm have tried to
  undo Social Security and the FDR legacy.
  Another tenet of this theory is that the
  last chief executive to serve in a given
  paradigm is consistently seen as a failure.
  Hence, history looks down on Herbert Hoover
  and Jimmy Carter, who presided over the ends
  of the Lincoln and FDR eras respectively.
 
  The question now is, who will preside over
  the end of the Reagan era? It seems that
  Bush 43 would have the dishonor, seeing as
  his presidency has been of such questionable
  worth to the nation and the world. But who
  knows - the Reagan paradigm may not have yet
  played itself out. Bush and Cheney may not
  have ground it entirely into the dirt.
 
  Now we're determining whether Bush 43 is
  the last president in the Reagan era, or
  whether it may continue. If McCain is
  elected, it almost surely means the
  Reagan era is continuing, and if that's
  the case, we can bet that it will continue
  its downward slide. And if you accept all
  that, you have to think that McCain could
  preside over more failures than even George
  W. Bush.
 
  Ergo, I disagree with Peter below. From
  the worldview I've tried to outline above,
  a McCain presidency would promise even
  worse times than what President W has
  administered.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
  drpetersutphen@ wrote:
  
   One thing I know for sure, either Obama or McCain
   would make a much better president than the true
  fool
   we have in there now.
  
   --- Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
   
   
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of suziezuzie
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:40 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why,
ultimately, Obama will NEVER be
president
   
   
   
I doubt that because Obama really a pie in the
  sky
tax and spend
liberal with no qualifications what so ever.
  McCain
is the better
choice since he has promised not to raise taxes
  and
has more political
experience. He's better for the country.
   
Oh yeah. The Iraq war has been

[FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president

I always want to honor McCain for having served five years in a cage
for us, but I keep coming up short.  I keep seeing him as damaged
goods.  I mean, put me in a cage for ten seconds and I'm bitching
about for the rest of my life, right?  What sort of abyss did John
peer into in that cage, what did torture do to him, was he victimized,
and how has that informed his war policies?  Is there a massive knot
of hate at the ready?  The guard dogs of the military are killed
rather than recycled into civilian life -- it would simply cost too
much to deprogram them.  Ask Pavlov about dogs and men.

I keep thinking McCain's got somethin'a'brewin' in thar -- especially
after his 100 more years in Iraq is okay with me statement.

I'll tell ya, all these folks going around calling Obama a Muslim
because of some school he attended 30 years ago sure as hell should
look at what schooled McCain's mind in that cage.  What about
Patricia Hearst turning into Tanya aren't we getting?  Do we want a
president who has all the reasons he needs to nuke the gooks, er,
ragheads, and kick their ass and steal their gas?

I know how the tragedies of my life are handcuffing my best intents
daily, and I have nothing so dark as John's cage in my past.  He might
be a spiritual giant who could handle the truth, er, purifying
tapas, but I just don't see it in his presentations.  I see him
stooped, bent, and deeply fatigued -- I don't know how he keeps
truckin' but it's all too easy to think that there's some black engine
of hate driving him.

That said, what about being raised a Black Man in America am I
ignoring here?  Obama must have, as virtually every Black American
has, a motivating dynamic that whites-cannot-know.  I don't feel that
that rancor is very near his surface, so I'm still cutting him a
break, but, by GAWD, I'd bet a ton of money that it's there, and all
the more power to him that it seemingly is something he's got clarity
about.  Fingers crossed here -- all the tyrants were good rabble
rousers -- but, hey, maybe it takes a bit of the devil to have an ego
that gladly seeks power.  Maybe the good guys can't get it up for the
fights and must necessarily watch some hot-shot go-to guy come off the
bench and score a touchdownJesse Jackson might be biting his
tongue until it bleeds, ya know?

Edg 





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 suziezuzie wrote:-
  I doubt that because Obama really a pie in the sky tax and spend
  liberal with no qualifications what so ever. McCain is the better
  choice since he has promised not to raise taxes and has more political
  experience. He's better for the country. 
 ROTFL!  This country will never elect another Republican president
after 
 the mess this one has made.  McCain is old, he has had cancer so there 
 is a likelihood he'll come down with it again.  It will be easy to 
 defeat him.  One thing is for sure this will be a very dirty and
hostile 
 election year.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fuck God

2008-02-21 Thread curtisdeltablues

Yes, but you said it.

Everytime we open our mouth isn't the karmic wheel further engaged?
Munis understand this and don't speak unless spoken to, if at all.

Yeah cuz as we know from the world's scriptures, the creator is kind
of a vindictive prick and doesn't even show the compassion and
understanding of the guy I sit next to on the bus.  Remember he/she is
the one who created animals to eat each other alive.  He/she PREFERRED
it that way.

Om Shanti

Is that Kung Fu for I'm afraid of imaginary things?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote:
 
  I didn't really mean it. But what I did mean was that that's how we
 all act across most of the whole world. We need to take the
 commandments and make them work such as love thy neighbor. If you
 can't even love your neighbor, maybe saying fuck them all the time,
 then one cannot love Gkod personally. But I do mean this to include
 the whole planet and those who profess to lead. You act like you hate
 the Creation, thus you must hate the Creatrix. Poluting, never
 allowing new and better, just new and 'improved.' So anyway I just
 wanted to clarify. I mean why cannot the three richest people just
 start opening hospitals across the entire globe, for free. We need to
 reverse engineer polution. What does that mean, trees?  More parks.
 One can't swindle others and say they have care for a Creator. So in
 that way I said what I said. Fact is that if there's a Creator she
 sees everything.  I doubt all these people who say they believe in God
 mean it much if at all.
 
 
 Yes, but you said it.
 
 Everytime we open our mouth isn't the karmic wheel further engaged?
 Munis understand this and don't speak unless spoken to, if at all.
 
 Om Shanti

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fuck God

Ah, in responding you have yet turned the wheel again.

Your God is merely in your mind.
For we are the Upaguru and none shall overtake us.
I have seen Gods my whole life and I appreciate them probably more than most 
people.
A bit too much. So I say, Fuck em, it's refreshing to think about something 
else.
I almost am certain they find the human delimma more interesting than their 
own worship.
I seriously doubt they love kiss asses and suck ups.
That's so religious.
As Upa Guru your first rule is to Know Thyself.
Not fear for hollow words.
Not to worship, and waste needlessly.
If you still like worshipping then fine.
But not when others are starving.
So not as first rule.
Whatever that means.
It just felt right to say.
Fix the messes and leave the gods out of them.
Then supplicate the Gods as Lovers.
Or better yet, see everything as their reflection.
And make nekkid love with them watching through you.
I ask them if they are harmed by my words and they tell me no.
So I don't have to argue with you.
The few times I have said fuck em are
more than made up for in countless japas.

You can't see the full potential because due to Uncertainty when you take 
any perpendicular measurement the uncollapsed wavefront is measured but not 
still giving the whole picture. Best not to ever jump to conclusions. 
Because then you collapse them, and if you're not careful you will create 
vritti and new samsara. Based in mistaken intellect. Even in this.

- Original Message - 
From: netineti3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fuck God


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I didn't really mean it. But what I did mean was that that's how we
 all act across most of the whole world. We need to take the
 commandments and make them work such as love thy neighbor. If you
 can't even love your neighbor, maybe saying fuck them all the time,
 then one cannot love Gkod personally. But I do mean this to include
 the whole planet and those who profess to lead. You act like you hate
 the Creation, thus you must hate the Creatrix. Poluting, never
 allowing new and better, just new and 'improved.' So anyway I just
 wanted to clarify. I mean why cannot the three richest people just
 start opening hospitals across the entire globe, for free. We need to
 reverse engineer polution. What does that mean, trees?  More parks.
 One can't swindle others and say they have care for a Creator. So in
 that way I said what I said. Fact is that if there's a Creator she
 sees everything.  I doubt all these people who say they believe in God
 mean it much if at all.


 Yes, but you said it.

 Everytime we open our mouth isn't the karmic wheel further engaged?
 Munis understand this and don't speak unless spoken to, if at all.

 Om Shanti



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president

 ROTFL!  This country will never elect another Republican president after 
 the mess this one has made.  McCain is old, he has had cancer so there 
 is a likelihood he'll come down with it again.  It will be easy to 
 defeat him.  One thing is for sure this will be a very dirty and hostile 
 election year.


-He'll probably choose Cheney as running mate.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Description of mantra?? : D

1.  Divergent paths?  Not all paths lead to the source
of paths, the giver of paths? And there are only two
paths?
2.  In what way is Frye's path secular?  What is
secular about Frye, an ordained minister?  Harold
Bloom is another kettle of fish, to be sure.

3.  Rabinic commentaries lead you to an understanding
better and faster than a mind well-trained to read the
original and translations into several different
languages?  And this is so in spite of the fact that
these commentaries are almost impossible to grasp? 
Isn't grasping the whole point of the exercise,
since grasping is union with the light of
understanding?  And if this understanding comes,
wether slow or instant, with difficult labor or with
easy flight, then how was the path secular or in any
way inferior?

It is true that contemporary writers who really
understand the depth of anagogic language are far and
few between.  We do live in a fundamentalist age. 
Even so, have you read Frye's book on William Blake? 
It is still the best guide yet produced on a writer
who is every bit as much a prophet as any of the OT
writers.  But, as Blake says, I give you the end of a
golden string--just wind it up into a ball and it will
lead you in at heaven's gate.  That it seems to me
would be the point.  The reader learns to do this with
the words of a prophet rather than trying to grasp
something almost impossible--another critic's way of
winding up that string.  Which is more direct?

It is also true that commentary such as you describe
can indeed be instructive.  But it is my experience in
teaching/writing/translating poetry to
students/writers/poets from pre-school to grad school,
that children are better at understanding metaphor
than are scholars.  Take that simple poem in my last
post, Poem Written Dream-Side.  In it, an old
wisteria tree is mentioned.  When I have taught this
poem in grad school, people needed a footnote as to
what sort of cultural symbol the wisteria tree is in
China.  Eighth graders figured it out all by
themselves based on their reading of the text of the
poem itself.  And when they figured it out, that
figuring gave them the light of understanding in
memorable aha-experiences.  They needed a footnote
for dragons and snakes, but not for orioles.  Have
those commentators taught you to do as well as these
eighth graders, consulting only the text of the
translation of this poem?  

I'll give you the footnote for dragons and snakes.

The Chinese dragon is a cultural symbol akin to the
Thunderbird of Native Americans, the giant bird,
Garuda of the Hindu pantheon.  He is Mercury of the
Roman gods and Hermes in Greek mythology.  In the
Christian imagination, the Archangel Michael serves as
God's messenger, as the interface between the relative
and the Absolute.  The dragon is God's inspiration,
and he is the creativity of Spring, of Spring rain,
and of fertility.  He is also the emperor and his
nobility in seeking the pearl of wisdom.

Snakes are a symbol of siddha power, especially the
power to heal, as we can still guess in the staff of
Mercury (Hermes) with its entwined serpents that still
often decorates the offices of doctors and dentists.

Now, given this information, and the text of Chin
Kuan's poem, can you arrive at what the wisteria tree
means in this poem?

  


a


--- boyboy_8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good points.  The way I see it a person can take one
 of two divergent 
 paths when starting to figure out what the OT is
 talking about.  
 Either you take the secular path (we can read Frye
 and Harold Bloom 
 for good starters) or you can plunge right into the
 Rabbinic 
 commentaries.  These are extremely vast, deep and go
 way back into 
 commentaries gathered up in the Talmud.  Way back. 
 Frankly, after 
 looking at the secular writers I prefer the Rabbinic
 writers, even if 
 they are flawed and full of their own belief systems
 shortcomings.  
 Having said that, there are Rabbi's and there are
 Rabbi's.  It takes 
 years to figure out who is appealing.  Believe me,
 most Jews never 
 take a deeper interest beyond Rashi and that is just
 fine.  Some take 
 the time to read deeper analysis and it just gets
 harder to 
 comprehend as you go along.  The mystical
 interpretations are all but 
 impossible to really grasp.  My choice, as I say is
 to work with the 
 Rabbinic commentaries.  Other people just stay away
 from them and 
 well, that's their choice.
 
 fred
 
 
 [snip]
 
 
 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president

2008-02-21 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 suziezuzie wrote:-
  I doubt that because Obama really a pie in the sky tax and spend
  liberal with no qualifications what so ever. McCain is the better
  choice since he has promised not to raise taxes and has more 
political
  experience. He's better for the country. 
 ROTFL!  This country will never elect another Republican president 
after 
 the mess this one has made.



...that's what they said about Bush in '04, after he started the war 
in Iraq.

Result?  He won with the largest number of votes ever received by a 
presidential candidate in the history of the U.S.

This is not a defense of Bush but, rather, a pointing out of the 
silliness of rhetoric.



  McCain is old, he has had cancer so there 
 is a likelihood he'll come down with it again.  It will be easy to 
 defeat him.



Good points.

But, remember what Reagan said to Mondale when age was brought up 
during that televised debate...

Obama just doesn't have anything but words now...give him time to 
actually have a body of work so that people can point to it.

Now, there's NOTHING and whether words are enough to defeat John 
McCain, time will tell.


  One thing is for sure this will be a very dirty and hostile 
 election year.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question

If you're Shakespeare schooled in the sweet uses of
adversity, you'll hear sermons in stones.




--- sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3
 no_reply@ 
 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 nablusoss1008 
 no_reply@ 
   wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 sandiego108 
   sandiego108@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 wvosteen 
 monroe1@ 
   wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 Vaj vajranatha@ 
   wrote:
   

On Feb 19, 2008, at 2:12 PM, netineti3
 wrote:

 We were told that TM was the fastest
 way to 
 liberation.
 Where did this declaration come
 from?


The TM PR machine.
   
   Maharishi said this himself which I saw
 on some video 
 during 
  phase ! 
   of TTC. If I remember correctly he said
 TM was a jet 
 plane 
   to 
   enlightenment. This was a response to
 someone referring 
 to 
   Kriya 
  yoga 
   as the airplane to enlightenment.
   
   Please correct me if I don't have this
 quite right, its 
 been 
   over 
  30 
   years.
  
  kriya yoga = propeller plane, TM = jet
 plane, TM-Siddhis = 
   rocket 
  ship.
 
 :-)

That man who said Give me a Million and
 you'll get 
 enlightenment.
That man who contradicted Patanjali's own
 text.
Siddhis don't bring enlightenment. 
Believing it doesn't make it right.
   
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 sandiego108 sandiego108@
  wrote:
  
   believing it doesn't make it shit. experience is
 the only proof, 
   ever.
  
  How valid is experience, really?
  Isn't it tainted with all vasanas and samskaras.
  Experience could be the shite
  in the end.
  
  Who knows?
 
 yes, i agree we are also free to over-think and
 confuse ourselves as 
 often as we like. for me a rock is just a rock. for
 others, who 
 knows?
 
 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New winds are two edged swords (When people call themselves brahman )

Marek, God bless your hands.
My black grandson was in the hands of Fairfield's
criminal justice system when I returned from China. 
If I hadn't been there, they would have knowingly sent
an innocent sixteen-year old boy to an adult prison. 
I was able to reign them in because I made them
understand that I was capable of watching their every
move and making very loud and intelligent noise about
them.  Had I had your advice, I might have been able
to keep them from making lie in a plea-bargain
arrangement which cost him probation and registering
as a sex offender till he's almost thirty.   Tell me,
just for example, what kind of court-appointed defense
lawyer refuses to depose the alleged victim?  And when
I made enough noise about it, deposes him, but asks
not one pertinent question?  



--- Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Angela, one of the great satisfactions in my life is
 to meet with a 
 client in jail (and for the very first time), and
 have her/him say 
 that they were really happy that I'm their attorney
 because they've 
 heard about me from other inmates and they know that
 they are in good 
 hands.
 
 **
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
 Mailander 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Such a person would be awesome in the courtroom,
  Marek.  
  
  
  
  --- Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Marek Reavis  wrote:  A truly good person is
 in
   the flow of life,
   the Tao.  In that flow ownership of action
 doesn't
   exist because
   everything is flowing with their intentions,
 like
   having the wind at
   your back.
   
   Marek,
   
   Thanks for using that popular metaphor -- it
   suddenly hit me from a
   new angle.  (So keep using those old saws out
 there
   people!)
   
   To have the wind at one's back, it turns out, is
   merely one side of
   the concept.  
   
   There's the other side too.
   
   Case in point:  To be literal, a lesson that
 all
   trikke newbies have
   happen to them is that they start out trikking
 with
   the wind at their
   backs, but it is such a slight breeze that they
   never notice it; then,
   when they decide to return home, the same
 pathway
   now has this
   hurricane blowing them to a standstill.  Oh,
   there's another wind
   too:  a Trikke is lovingly called a invisible
 slope
   detection device
   by trikkers, because if you're just learning how
 to
   carve, you find
   out that virtually no surface is level and that
 in
   one direction you
   can trikke pretty good as a newbie, but in the
 other
   you cannot go
   even a single foot forwards -- until you truly
 learn
   how to work the
   beast.  Can't call yourself a trikker until you
 can
   go up a steep hill!
   
   To have the wind at one's back (God's help) and
 not
   be enlightened --
   , prepare for a shock any second!  You're
 going
   along great and
   think you're on top of things, then suddenly
 your
   direction in life
   changes and you come to dead stop without any
   resources to move
   forwards at the easy-peasy pace you were
 enjoying
   just moments before.
   One thinks one's really trucking entirely on
 one's
   own merits, then
   OOPS! where's my support of nature go?  I have
 this
   happen all the
   time to me when a scenario requires me to have a
   whole notch more
   compassion or insight or other personality
 dynamic,
   and BANG, there I
   am with no real traction and a lot of growth
 needed.
   
   I'm reminded of Karna, Arjuna's evil twin, who
 had
   this tapas-earned
   boon that would have wiped out Arjuna's whole
 army
   in a blink, but
   when he went to use it (a mantra that basically
 was
   like pulling the
   trigger on an atomic bomb) he couldn't remember
 the
   damned mantra! 
   Just like that, suddenly, Karna came up short --
   thought he was a big
   shot -- It's all downhill from here, Baby! --
 but
   when the direction
   of the battle changed, he suddenly found that
 all
   his powers were for
   naught, and that he was lacking the ability he
 truly
   needed to call
   himself a complete warrior (trikker) -- in this
 case
   it was his
   inability to retain subtlety while in the heat
 of
   battle.
   
   Trikkers know all about subtlety, let me tell
 ya!  A
   small scattering
   of pebbles can getcha plowing the sod with a
   shoulder if hit them
   just so, and a light wind can slow one down
 so
   much that people
   with aluminum walkers start shooting by like
 hot-rod
   teens!  Oh, the
   shame of it if one doesn't have the chops to
 meet
   the challenges of
   wind and pebbles.
   
   So, thanks, Marek, for a new insight into the
   support of nature being
   an all time reality for the enlightened who are
   always sliding down
   the gravity well with the wind at their backs --
   it's a free ride all
   the way!  They're surfing, always in freefall,
 and
   wondering what the
   rest of us are talking about:  gravity? eh?
 whacha
   talkin' 'bout
   gravity?  There's no gravity!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president

Edg wrote (snipped): That said, what about being
raised a Black Man in America am I ignoring here?
Obama must have, as virtually every Black American
has, a motivating dynamic that whites-cannot- know. I
don't feel that that rancor is very near his
surface, so I'm still cutting him a
break, but, by GAWD, I'd bet a ton of money that it's
there, and all
the more power to him that it seemingly is something
he's got clarity
about. Fingers crossed here -- all the tyrants were
good rabble
rousers -- but, hey, maybe it takes a bit of the devil
to have an ego
that gladly seeks power. Maybe the good guys can't get
it up for the
fights and must necessarily watch some hot-shot go-to
guy come off the
bench and score a touchdown... .Jesse Jackson might be
biting his
tongue until it bleeds, ya know?

Me: (snipped):  Edg, Honey, I think any human like you
can know another human's heart regardless of skin
color or karmic entanglements.  

When I inherited a black daughter to raise, I went to
see my husband's maternal grandmother.  How, I
asked, Do I teach her to handle the prejudice she
will meet everywhere even from people who do not think
themselves prejudiced?

Here is what she said:  Teach her that prejudice is a
handicap like any other.  When you talk to a man in a
wheelchair, you talk to the man, you don't talk to the
wheelchair.  

If Obama couldn't do this, he wouldn't be drawing the
spirit of so many people, as he is clearly doing.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president

2008-02-21 Thread Bhairitu

shempmcgurk wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 suziezuzie wrote:-
 
 I doubt that because Obama really a pie in the sky tax and spend
 liberal with no qualifications what so ever. McCain is the better
 choice since he has promised not to raise taxes and has more 
   
 political
   
 experience. He's better for the country. 
   
 ROTFL!  This country will never elect another Republican president 
 
 after 
   
 the mess this one has made.
 



 ...that's what they said about Bush in '04, after he started the war 
 in Iraq.

 Result?  He won with the largest number of votes ever received by a 
 presidential candidate in the history of the U.S.

 This is not a defense of Bush but, rather, a pointing out of the 
 silliness of rhetoric.
   
Look what happened in 2006.  They finally woke up a bit from their stupor.

   
  McCain is old, he has had cancer so there 
 is a likelihood he'll come down with it again.  It will be easy to 
 defeat him.
 



 Good points.

 But, remember what Reagan said to Mondale when age was brought up 
 during that televised debate...

 Obama just doesn't have anything but words now...give him time to 
 actually have a body of work so that people can point to it.

 Now, there's NOTHING and whether words are enough to defeat John 
 McCain, time will tell.
When Obama was in the area last spring it was the same day as the local 
Peace March (or nostalgia rally for baby-boomers which is all it is 
often about) and the attendance was low at the rally and high at the 
Obama rally later that afternoon.  One could see that Obama was courting 
a youth vote which may help decide this time.

Of course I would rather vote Kucinich myself.

[FairfieldLife] Obama + we can...(was- Obama we can't)

2008-02-21 Thread Roberto

  (snip) 

 Now we're determining whether Bush 43 is 
 the last president in the Reagan era, or 
 whether it may continue. If McCain is 
 elected, it almost surely means the 
 Reagan era is continuing, and if that's 
 the case, we can bet that it will continue 
 its downward slide. And if you accept all 
 that, you have to think that McCain could 
 preside over more failures than even George 
 W. Bush.
 
 Ergo, I disagree with Peter below. From 
 the worldview I've tried to outline above, 
 a McCain presidency would promise even 
 worse times than what President W has 
 administered.
 (snip)

So, you we haven't hit rock-bottom, yet, huh?
Don't think so, huh?
Oh well, guess we have to sink a little more then.
But, no we really don't have to.
Just imagine Obama as a white guy, if you have trouble with him.
If he was a white guy, and his name was something like Joe Smith, 
well maybe then we could see him as the Messiah he is...
Who do you remember in your lifetime who could inspire people, in the 
political realm, like Barack Obama?
This is certainly the end of the Reagan ghost.
Reagan began the total sell out of America to Corporate interests.
The people now are following a leader of character, courage, clarity, 
and a sense of righteousness, mentioned in the 'Dead Sea Scrolls'...
The +Dead Sea Scrolls+ mention a time, when the 'Righteous One' 
comes, to lead the people in truth. 
I have to do more research on this area, because I just heard about 
it, recently.
But there is clear evidence, in the +Dead Sea Scrolls+ 
That predict the phenomenon we are experiencing with the unique 
response to Barack Obama...
And it is interesting to note, that the whole tidal sea change 
happened, between the time of 'Super Tuesday', the day Maharishi went 
into Mahasamadhi...
And accelerated, on the day of February 11, 2008-

[FairfieldLife] Obama wins 'global primary'

  Obama wins 'global primary'  This article was first published on 
guardian.co.uk on Thursday February 21 2008. It was last updated at 17:30 on 
February 21 2008.  Barack Obama today scored his 11th straight victory over 
Hillary Clinton in the race for the Democrat nomination after a convincing win 
in the global primary of Democrats living overseas.
  Obama took 66% of the vote to 33% for Clinton after Americans living in more 
than 160 countries cast their presidential ballots by mail, fax, and Internet 
during the weeklong primary conducted by Democrats Abroad. His victory was even 
stronger than average in the UK, where he took 69% of the vote to Clinton's 30%.
  The association of Democrats living outside the US reported record turnout 
for this year's White House race, which has riveted the world's attention to 
the close contest between Clinton and Obama. Expatriates voted in person in 
more than 30 countries, at hotels in Australia and Costa Rica, at a pub in 
Ireland and at a Starbucks coffee shop in Thailand. The results took about a 
week to tabulate as local committees around the globe gathered ballots.
  With the US image so badly damaged by the present administration, American 
Democrats living overseas were eager to have their voices heard, Democrats 
Abroad chairwoman Christine Schon Marques said in a statement announcing the 
primary results.
  Despite Obama's strong showing, he and Clinton will come close to splitting 
the delegate votes from the overseas primary. Obama won 2.5 delegates to count 
towards this summer's nominating convention, while Clinton won 2.
  The Illinois senator counted his heaviest support from Americans living in 
Asia and the Pacific - including Indonesia, where he spent several years as a 
child. 
  But American Democrats voting in person in Oxford gave Obama an even larger 
victory, giving him 82% to 18% for Clinton.
  Clinton was strongest in South and Central America, but she still fell short 
to Obama in the overall vote in that region.
   

   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New winds are two edged swords (When people call themselves brahman )

Angela, you and your grandson have my sincere sympathy.  It's been my 
experience that anyone who has had to interact with the criminal 
justice system, regardless of how they're involved or on which side 
of the V. they fall, find it very much a maddening arrangement.

There is very strong pressure from the Courts, law enforcement and 
the system as a whole to move things alongs expeditiously and make 
it easier for the system to put people away.  Public Defenders 
frequently have to deal with being labeled dump trucks for the 
common perception, which unfortunately is sometimes true, that they 
don't care about their clients and are merely part of the system that 
is prosecuting criminal defendants.  I tell my clients that, as a 
Public Defender, my role, if nothing else, is to be sand in the 
vaseline of the system; to make it difficult and costly for the 
system to deprive my clients of their liberty; to make the 
prosecution prove their case and not just roll over because it means 
less work for me or the prosecution.  Fortunately I work in an office 
and in a jursidiction where most of the public defenders as well as 
most of the criminal defense bar operates within the same ethos.

That's what the Constitution mandates, and what was ratified in the 
landmark 1963 case, Gideon v. Wainwright, that was the basis for the 
development of all the different Public Defender systems throughout 
the USA.  ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_v._Wainwright )

It's unfortunate that your grandson's appointed attorney apparently 
didn't do as good or as zealous a job as the Constitution requires, 
but it can be a hard job and a draining one, too, and the temptation 
to just go along can be difficult to resist.  I feel lucky that I 
didn't get into this line of work until I was nearly 50 and I still 
had all my idealism intact.  Maybe if I had started in my mid-20s I'd 
have become jaded and cynical by now.

Your grandson is very lucky to have you in his life.

Marek

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Marek, God bless your hands.
 My black grandson was in the hands of Fairfield's
 criminal justice system when I returned from China. 
 If I hadn't been there, they would have knowingly sent
 an innocent sixteen-year old boy to an adult prison. 
 I was able to reign them in because I made them
 understand that I was capable of watching their every
 move and making very loud and intelligent noise about
 them.  Had I had your advice, I might have been able
 to keep them from making lie in a plea-bargain
 arrangement which cost him probation and registering
 as a sex offender till he's almost thirty.   Tell me,
 just for example, what kind of court-appointed defense
 lawyer refuses to depose the alleged victim?  And when
 I made enough noise about it, deposes him, but asks
 not one pertinent question?  
 
 
 
 --- Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Angela, one of the great satisfactions in my life is
  to meet with a 
  client in jail (and for the very first time), and
  have her/him say 
  that they were really happy that I'm their attorney
  because they've 
  heard about me from other inmates and they know that
  they are in good 
  hands.
  
  **
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
  Mailander 
  mailander111@ wrote:
  
   Such a person would be awesome in the courtroom,
   Marek.  
   
   
   
   --- Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Marek Reavis  wrote:  A truly good person is
  in
the flow of life,
the Tao.  In that flow ownership of action
  doesn't
exist because
everything is flowing with their intentions,
  like
having the wind at
your back.

Marek,

Thanks for using that popular metaphor -- it
suddenly hit me from a
new angle.  (So keep using those old saws out
  there
people!)

To have the wind at one's back, it turns out, is
merely one side of
the concept.  

There's the other side too.

Case in point:  To be literal, a lesson that
  all
trikke newbies have
happen to them is that they start out trikking
  with
the wind at their
backs, but it is such a slight breeze that they
never notice it; then,
when they decide to return home, the same
  pathway
now has this
hurricane blowing them to a standstill.  Oh,
there's another wind
too:  a Trikke is lovingly called a invisible
  slope
detection device
by trikkers, because if you're just learning how
  to
carve, you find
out that virtually no surface is level and that
  in
one direction you
can trikke pretty good as a newbie, but in the
  other
you cannot go
even a single foot forwards -- until you truly
  learn
how to work the
beast.  Can't call yourself a trikker until you
  can
go up a steep hill!

To have the wind at one's back (God's help) and
  not
be enlightened --
, prepare for a shock any

[FairfieldLife] Moriarty (was Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will NEVER be president)

These days I'm listening to 
Jack Kerouac's On the Road 
during my commute, Kirk. 
Your riff below is positively 
Dean Moriarty. I dig it! Thanks.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Collective consciousness as described by Maharishi would not be
different 
 from the grand rule of AGNIM which states that fullness collapses to
a point 
 and then the point is negated and is released back again into
fullness. Thus 
 the prime minister or president is a point value of collective 
 consciousness. If the collective consciousness is very pure
supercool then 
 the head is the first to respond to some supersymmetry break. Which
is then 
 cut off by NI and can evolve into a new bindu to respond to an a
threat. 
 However, if there is too much inertia as shown when too much heat,
or too 
 much gas, or too much overemphasis on point value then old threats gain 
 momentum until the mixture is heterogenous. Thus a society needs to be 
 constantly cooled to draw heat or most likely it gives it off.
Society must 
 remain on fullness value. This is the Maharishi Effect as I
understand it.
 
 Prime Minister is different from Raam or Sun God Sun King or Messiah
who is 
 the one who shows how to maintain fullness. While PMs and Presidents
deal 
 with supersymmerty recrystallization. Sounds nice. Jai Ram.
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:01 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why, ultimately, Obama will
NEVER be 
 president
 
 
 I agree with your assessment of John
  McCain. My remarks have more to do
  with the collective consciousness in
  which he or any president would work.
  Here I confess that I buy into
  Maharishi's notion of collective
  consciousness and its relationship
  to leadership. The president as a
  person may wish to take the nation
  in this or that direction, but in
  truth, he or she is in thrall to
  the collective will - or lack thereof.
 
  I'm viewing these political paradigms
  as concrete expressions of collective
  consciousness. If the Reagan paradigm
  is close to hitting bottom, and McCain
  gets elected, he's fucked. He's doomed
  precisely *because* he's a pragmatist.
  For a pragmatist plays with the hand
  he's dealt. At the end of a paradigm,
  what's needed is a visionary - someone
  who can create a new political paradigm;
  a new idea of what government can or
  cannot do.
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
 
  Well, I disagree. I see McCain as a pragmatist who is
  more interested in solving problems than pushing
  ideologies to solve problems.
 
  --- Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote:
 
   There's a school of thought which
   holds that presidential administrations
   work within the context of larger political
   paradigms. Hence, Dwight Eisenhower and
   Richard Nixon, while Republicans, did not
   try to undo the social programs of Franklin
   Delano Roosevelt, in whose political paradigm
   those GOP presidents served. Only presidents
   of the current Reagan paradigm have tried to
   undo Social Security and the FDR legacy.
   Another tenet of this theory is that the
   last chief executive to serve in a given
   paradigm is consistently seen as a failure.
   Hence, history looks down on Herbert Hoover
   and Jimmy Carter, who presided over the ends
   of the Lincoln and FDR eras respectively.
  
   The question now is, who will preside over
   the end of the Reagan era? It seems that
   Bush 43 would have the dishonor, seeing as
   his presidency has been of such questionable
   worth to the nation and the world. But who
   knows - the Reagan paradigm may not have yet
   played itself out. Bush and Cheney may not
   have ground it entirely into the dirt.
  
   Now we're determining whether Bush 43 is
   the last president in the Reagan era, or
   whether it may continue. If McCain is
   elected, it almost surely means the
   Reagan era is continuing, and if that's
   the case, we can bet that it will continue
   its downward slide. And if you accept all
   that, you have to think that McCain could
   preside over more failures than even George
   W. Bush.
  
   Ergo, I disagree with Peter below. From
   the worldview I've tried to outline above,
   a McCain presidency would promise even
   worse times than what President W has
   administered.
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
   drpetersutphen@ wrote:
   
One thing I know for sure, either Obama or McCain
would make a much better president than the true
   fool
we have in there now.
   
--- Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
   


 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of suziezuzie
 Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:40 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is why,
 ultimately, Obama will NEVER be
 president

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's take a walk. Speaking with Deepak

2008-02-21 Thread Frank McLaughlin

This post begs two questions: 1) was the TM org in better shape when 
Chopra was active in the early 90's? What is different now and then? 
2) What is wrong with the current state of the TM org other than 
everything is too expensive (in the US), but that has been the case 
for a long time. -- Frank



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, william108wm 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I spoke with Deepak Chopra this morning after a radio interview he 
did
 in DC.
 As we walked to his car, he spoke about his sadness about the 
current
 state of the TM org. I mentioned that I felt that his recent essays
 after Maharishi's passing were very valuable for people to hear and
 that it has stimulated alot of emails on this YahooGroup discussion
 board. He said that he just had to do it to clear the air about his
 relationship with the TM org over the years.
 
 He said that when Maharishi first came to Holland Deepak got Tony
 Nadar's attention and said Let's take a walk.
 During that walk he told Tony about all the details of 
Maharishi's   
 near death illnesses and his time in England. 
 Deepak said that upon hearing this, Tony was in shock and said to 
him
 I don't believe a word of this. 
 
 I asked Deepak if I may share his conversation with this group. He 
said
 Absolutely
 
 John

[FairfieldLife] Re: God

Thank you for your, if not truly enlightening, but totally revealing
discourse of who you and what you are.
I'm really happy to know that someone knows how these things work.

Funny how Asuras think like this as well.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ah, in responding you have yet turned the wheel again.
 
 Your God is merely in your mind.
 For we are the Upaguru and none shall overtake us.
 I have seen Gods my whole life and I appreciate them probably more
than most 
 people.
 A bit too much. So I say, Fuck em, it's refreshing to think about
something 
 else.
 I almost am certain they find the human delimma more interesting
than their 
 own worship.
 I seriously doubt they love kiss asses and suck ups.
 That's so religious.
 As Upa Guru your first rule is to Know Thyself.
 Not fear for hollow words.
 Not to worship, and waste needlessly.
 If you still like worshipping then fine.
 But not when others are starving.
 So not as first rule.
 Whatever that means.
 It just felt right to say.
 Fix the messes and leave the gods out of them.
 Then supplicate the Gods as Lovers.
 Or better yet, see everything as their reflection.
 And make nekkid love with them watching through you.
 I ask them if they are harmed by my words and they tell me no.
 So I don't have to argue with you.
 The few times I have said fuck em are
 more than made up for in countless japas.
 
 You can't see the full potential because due to Uncertainty when you
take 
 any perpendicular measurement the uncollapsed wavefront is measured
but not 
 still giving the whole picture. Best not to ever jump to conclusions. 
 Because then you collapse them, and if you're not careful you will
create 
 vritti and new samsara. Based in mistaken intellect. Even in this.
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: netineti3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:15 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fuck God
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote:
 
  I didn't really mean it. But what I did mean was that that's how we
  all act across most of the whole world. We need to take the
  commandments and make them work such as love thy neighbor. If you
  can't even love your neighbor, maybe saying fuck them all the time,
  then one cannot love Gkod personally. But I do mean this to include
  the whole planet and those who profess to lead. You act like you hate
  the Creation, thus you must hate the Creatrix. Poluting, never
  allowing new and better, just new and 'improved.' So anyway I just
  wanted to clarify. I mean why cannot the three richest people just
  start opening hospitals across the entire globe, for free. We need to
  reverse engineer polution. What does that mean, trees?  More parks.
  One can't swindle others and say they have care for a Creator. So in
  that way I said what I said. Fact is that if there's a Creator she
  sees everything.  I doubt all these people who say they believe in God
  mean it much if at all.
 
 
  Yes, but you said it.
 
  Everytime we open our mouth isn't the karmic wheel further engaged?
  Munis understand this and don't speak unless spoken to, if at all.
 
  Om Shanti
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's take a walk. Speaking with Deepak

2008-02-21 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Frank McLaughlin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This post begs two questions: 1) was the TM org in better shape when 
 Chopra was active in the early 90's? What is different now and then? 
 2) What is wrong with the current state of the TM org other than 
 everything is too expensive (in the US), but that has been the 
 case for a long time. -- Frank


With all due respect, King Tony reacts to being 
told the horrible truth that Maharishi is (wait 
for it) mortal and can get sick like everyone else
with a pathological level of denial, and the only 
two questions that this begs to you are about
the state of the TM movement?

Personally, I'd be more concerned that the future
of a 2.5 billion dollar organization and the welfare
or all the people who believe in it has been entrusted
to a crazy person.


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, william108wm 
 william108wm@ wrote:
 
  I spoke with Deepak Chopra this morning after a radio 
  interview he did in DC. As we walked to his car, he 
  spoke about his sadness about the current state of the 
  TM org. I mentioned that I felt that his recent essays
  after Maharishi's passing were very valuable for people 
  to hear and that it has stimulated alot of emails on 
  this YahooGroup discussion board. He said that he just 
  had to do it to clear the air about his relationship 
  with the TM org over the years.
  
  He said that when Maharishi first came to Holland Deepak 
  got Tony Nadar's attention and said Let's take a walk.
  During that walk he told Tony about all the details of 
  Maharishi's near death illnesses and his time in England. 
  Deepak said that upon hearing this, Tony was in shock 
  and said to him I don't believe a word of this. 
  
  I asked Deepak if I may share his conversation with this 
  group. He said Absolutely
  
  John

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fuck God

2008-02-21 Thread curtisdeltablues

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 The scriptures I read talk of a forgiving all compassionate God.
 Humans create their own karma. Where does it say otherwise.
 Where does it say Almighty God has a preference one way or another?

By karmic theory you have the children with Guinea worms in Africa
covered, but what about the animals?  How come some were created with
the skill of a kill bite and others. (plenty of others) eat each other
alive?  This kind of behavior is worse than the poorest run
slaughterhouse ethically isn't it?  So the buck stops with the
creator.  If he was consistently compassionate he wouldn't have done
such a poor job with his creation no matter what he claims in the
scriptures.

The God of the Old Testament is one version of highly petty and
spiteful,murderous god.  As far as the Hindu scriptures, go I'd say
the whole Mahabharata has some good examples of a bloodthirsty god who
has little regard for human suffering.  There were many other options
for how those battles could have gone down if compassion rather than
being right was the goal.  Unless you take it, as I do, as all
mythology and skip the literal belief in a god completely. Then it is
a great read with plenty of instructive insights about human nature
rather than an insight into a version of the god idea. 

Thanks for the response.  I understand our POV is miles apart and I
appreciate your willingness to discuss.  Especially since so far all I
have done is lobbed snark bombs your way so far.





 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  Yes, but you said it.
  
  Everytime we open our mouth isn't the karmic wheel further engaged?
  Munis understand this and don't speak unless spoken to, if at all.
  
  Yeah cuz as we know from the world's scriptures, the creator is kind
  of a vindictive prick and doesn't even show the compassion and
  understanding of the guy I sit next to on the bus.  Remember he/she is
  the one who created animals to eat each other alive.  He/she PREFERRED
  it that way.
  
  Om Shanti
  
  Is that Kung Fu for I'm afraid of imaginary things?
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@
wrote:
   
I didn't really mean it. But what I did mean was that that's
how we
   all act across most of the whole world. We need to take the
   commandments and make them work such as love thy neighbor. If you
   can't even love your neighbor, maybe saying fuck them all the time,
   then one cannot love Gkod personally. But I do mean this to include
   the whole planet and those who profess to lead. You act like you
hate
   the Creation, thus you must hate the Creatrix. Poluting, never
   allowing new and better, just new and 'improved.' So anyway I just
   wanted to clarify. I mean why cannot the three richest people just
   start opening hospitals across the entire globe, for free. We
need to
   reverse engineer polution. What does that mean, trees?  More parks.
   One can't swindle others and say they have care for a Creator. So in
   that way I said what I said. Fact is that if there's a Creator she
   sees everything.  I doubt all these people who say they believe
in God
   mean it much if at all.
   
   
   Yes, but you said it.
   
   Everytime we open our mouth isn't the karmic wheel further engaged?
   Munis understand this and don't speak unless spoken to, if at all.
   
   Om Shanti

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fuck God


The scriptures I read talk of a forgiving all compassionate God.
Humans create their own karma. Where does it say otherwise.
Where does it say Almighty God has a preference one way or another?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, but you said it.
 
 Everytime we open our mouth isn't the karmic wheel further engaged?
 Munis understand this and don't speak unless spoken to, if at all.
 
 Yeah cuz as we know from the world's scriptures, the creator is kind
 of a vindictive prick and doesn't even show the compassion and
 understanding of the guy I sit next to on the bus.  Remember he/she is
 the one who created animals to eat each other alive.  He/she PREFERRED
 it that way.
 
 Om Shanti
 
 Is that Kung Fu for I'm afraid of imaginary things?
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote:
  
   I didn't really mean it. But what I did mean was that that's how we
  all act across most of the whole world. We need to take the
  commandments and make them work such as love thy neighbor. If you
  can't even love your neighbor, maybe saying fuck them all the time,
  then one cannot love Gkod personally. But I do mean this to include
  the whole planet and those who profess to lead. You act like you hate
  the Creation, thus you must hate the Creatrix. Poluting, never
  allowing new and better, just new and 'improved.' So anyway I just
  wanted to clarify. I mean why cannot the three richest people just
  start opening hospitals across the entire globe, for free. We need to
  reverse engineer polution. What does that mean, trees?  More parks.
  One can't swindle others and say they have care for a Creator. So in
  that way I said what I said. Fact is that if there's a Creator she
  sees everything.  I doubt all these people who say they believe in God
  mean it much if at all.
  
  
  Yes, but you said it.
  
  Everytime we open our mouth isn't the karmic wheel further engaged?
  Munis understand this and don't speak unless spoken to, if at all.
  
  Om Shanti

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New winds are two edged swords (When people call themselves brahman )

Thanks for the kind words.  The public defender was
not really a bad man. The system did not give him much
of a choice because of the prejudice of the community
that would have lynched my grandson just a generation
ago.  And to his credit, the lawyer recognized that
this boy is a really good young man (the goodness of
conaturality) and honest, even when it goes against
him to tell the truth.  The boy and the lawyer both
understood the irony:  it was telling the truth that
got Aaron in trouble, and it took telling a lie in a
shameful plea-bargain that saved him from prison.  I
could see that this was not easy for the lawyer.  Yet,
they manipulated the situation so successfully that
fear of the alternative made his mother and his
attorney counsel the boy to tell the lie, while tying
my hands so I could say nothing--while all within me
was screaming, Make them go to trial!  

I've promised Aaron I'd write his story.  





--- Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Angela, you and your grandson have my sincere
 sympathy.  It's been my 
 experience that anyone who has had to interact with
 the criminal 
 justice system, regardless of how they're involved
 or on which side 
 of the V. they fall, find it very much a maddening
 arrangement.
 
 There is very strong pressure from the Courts, law
 enforcement and 
 the system as a whole to move things alongs
 expeditiously and make 
 it easier for the system to put people away.  Public
 Defenders 
 frequently have to deal with being labeled dump
 trucks for the 
 common perception, which unfortunately is sometimes
 true, that they 
 don't care about their clients and are merely part
 of the system that 
 is prosecuting criminal defendants.  I tell my
 clients that, as a 
 Public Defender, my role, if nothing else, is to be
 sand in the 
 vaseline of the system; to make it difficult and
 costly for the 
 system to deprive my clients of their liberty; to
 make the 
 prosecution prove their case and not just roll over
 because it means 
 less work for me or the prosecution.  Fortunately I
 work in an office 
 and in a jursidiction where most of the public
 defenders as well as 
 most of the criminal defense bar operates within the
 same ethos.
 
 That's what the Constitution mandates, and what was
 ratified in the 
 landmark 1963 case, Gideon v. Wainwright, that was
 the basis for the 
 development of all the different Public Defender
 systems throughout 
 the USA.  (
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_v._Wainwright )
 
 It's unfortunate that your grandson's appointed
 attorney apparently 
 didn't do as good or as zealous a job as the
 Constitution requires, 
 but it can be a hard job and a draining one, too,
 and the temptation 
 to just go along can be difficult to resist.  I feel
 lucky that I 
 didn't get into this line of work until I was nearly
 50 and I still 
 had all my idealism intact.  Maybe if I had started
 in my mid-20s I'd 
 have become jaded and cynical by now.
 
 Your grandson is very lucky to have you in his life.
 
 Marek
 
 **
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
 Mailander 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Marek, God bless your hands.
  My black grandson was in the hands of Fairfield's
  criminal justice system when I returned from
 China. 
  If I hadn't been there, they would have knowingly
 sent
  an innocent sixteen-year old boy to an adult
 prison. 
  I was able to reign them in because I made them
  understand that I was capable of watching their
 every
  move and making very loud and intelligent noise
 about
  them.  Had I had your advice, I might have been
 able
  to keep them from making lie in a plea-bargain
  arrangement which cost him probation and
 registering
  as a sex offender till he's almost thirty.   Tell
 me,
  just for example, what kind of court-appointed
 defense
  lawyer refuses to depose the alleged victim?  And
 when
  I made enough noise about it, deposes him, but
 asks
  not one pertinent question?  
  
  
  
  --- Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Angela, one of the great satisfactions in my
 life is
   to meet with a 
   client in jail (and for the very first time),
 and
   have her/him say 
   that they were really happy that I'm their
 attorney
   because they've 
   heard about me from other inmates and they know
 that
   they are in good 
   hands.
   
   **
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
   Mailander 
   mailander111@ wrote:
   
Such a person would be awesome in the
 courtroom,
Marek.  



--- Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Marek Reavis  wrote:  A truly good person
 is
   in
 the flow of life,
 the Tao.  In that flow ownership of action
   doesn't
 exist because
 everything is flowing with their intentions,
   like
 having the wind at
 your back.
 
 Marek,
 
 Thanks for using that popular metaphor -- it
 suddenly hit me from a
 new angle.  (So keep using those old saws
 out
   there

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's take a walk. Speaking with Deepak

2008-02-21 Thread curtisdeltablues

 He said that when Maharishi first came to Holland Deepak got Tony
 Nadar's attention and said Let's take a walk.
 During that walk he told Tony about all the details of Maharishi's   
 near death illnesses and his time in England. 
 Deepak said that upon hearing this, Tony was in shock and said to him
 I don't believe a word of this. 

And to think, I used to wonder what Tony's qualification was for
becoming the Raja Raam.

Maharishi: Are you gunna believe those lying eyes of yours or what
I'm telling you?

Tony: I don't see nuth'n boss.






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, william108wm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I spoke with Deepak Chopra this morning after a radio interview he did
 in DC.
 As we walked to his car, he spoke about his sadness about the current
 state of the TM org. I mentioned that I felt that his recent essays
 after Maharishi's passing were very valuable for people to hear and
 that it has stimulated alot of emails on this YahooGroup discussion
 board. He said that he just had to do it to clear the air about his
 relationship with the TM org over the years.
 
 He said that when Maharishi first came to Holland Deepak got Tony
 Nadar's attention and said Let's take a walk.
 During that walk he told Tony about all the details of Maharishi's   
 near death illnesses and his time in England. 
 Deepak said that upon hearing this, Tony was in shock and said to him
 I don't believe a word of this. 
 
 I asked Deepak if I may share his conversation with this group. He said
 Absolutely
 
 John

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's take a walk. Speaking with Deepak

Tony's disbelief is one huge tell.

What a true believer he must be.  And how dangerous to any would-be
TMO historian, eh?

If the story is true, it pretty much locks me into hopelessness that
the TMO would ever come around to sanity.

All of the TMO's robes and crowns and sheer crappola could be forgiven
if only one leader could be approached with the truth.

Sigh.what part of me still clings to the hopes I once had?

Edg


In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Frank McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 This post begs two questions: 1) was the TM org in better shape when 
 Chopra was active in the early 90's? What is different now and then? 
 2) What is wrong with the current state of the TM org other than 
 everything is too expensive (in the US), but that has been the case 
 for a long time. -- Frank
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, william108wm 
 william108wm@ wrote:
 
  I spoke with Deepak Chopra this morning after a radio interview he 
 did
  in DC.
  As we walked to his car, he spoke about his sadness about the 
 current
  state of the TM org. I mentioned that I felt that his recent essays
  after Maharishi's passing were very valuable for people to hear and
  that it has stimulated alot of emails on this YahooGroup discussion
  board. He said that he just had to do it to clear the air about his
  relationship with the TM org over the years.
  
  He said that when Maharishi first came to Holland Deepak got Tony
  Nadar's attention and said Let's take a walk.
  During that walk he told Tony about all the details of 
 Maharishi's   
  near death illnesses and his time in England. 
  Deepak said that upon hearing this, Tony was in shock and said to 
 him
  I don't believe a word of this. 
  
  I asked Deepak if I may share his conversation with this group. He 
 said
  Absolutely
  
  John

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama + we can...(was- Obama we can't)

If Obama is the second-coming of Christ, he's the right color, eh? 
Same as last time!

But, Robert, Robert, Robert, you're into Obama so deeply -- try to get
a little arm's length on the addiction!  If anything goes south, you
might become radicalized for the rest of your life.  If Obama fails,
it'll be like finding out all the bad stuff of the TMO in only a few
weeks time, instead of having it dribbled out over the decades.  It'll
be a shockeroo!

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   (snip) 
 
  Now we're determining whether Bush 43 is 
  the last president in the Reagan era, or 
  whether it may continue. If McCain is 
  elected, it almost surely means the 
  Reagan era is continuing, and if that's 
  the case, we can bet that it will continue 
  its downward slide. And if you accept all 
  that, you have to think that McCain could 
  preside over more failures than even George 
  W. Bush.
  
  Ergo, I disagree with Peter below. From 
  the worldview I've tried to outline above, 
  a McCain presidency would promise even 
  worse times than what President W has 
  administered.
  (snip)
 
 So, you we haven't hit rock-bottom, yet, huh?
 Don't think so, huh?
 Oh well, guess we have to sink a little more then.
 But, no we really don't have to.
 Just imagine Obama as a white guy, if you have trouble with him.
 If he was a white guy, and his name was something like Joe Smith, 
 well maybe then we could see him as the Messiah he is...
 Who do you remember in your lifetime who could inspire people, in the 
 political realm, like Barack Obama?
 This is certainly the end of the Reagan ghost.
 Reagan began the total sell out of America to Corporate interests.
 The people now are following a leader of character, courage, clarity, 
 and a sense of righteousness, mentioned in the 'Dead Sea Scrolls'...
 The +Dead Sea Scrolls+ mention a time, when the 'Righteous One' 
 comes, to lead the people in truth. 
 I have to do more research on this area, because I just heard about 
 it, recently.
 But there is clear evidence, in the +Dead Sea Scrolls+ 
 That predict the phenomenon we are experiencing with the unique 
 response to Barack Obama...
 And it is interesting to note, that the whole tidal sea change 
 happened, between the time of 'Super Tuesday', the day Maharishi went 
 into Mahasamadhi...
 And accelerated, on the day of February 11, 2008-

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's take a walk. Speaking with Deepak

2008-02-21 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, william108wm 
  william108wm@ wrote:
  
  Deepak said that upon hearing this, Tony was in shock and 
  said to him I don't believe a word of this. 
 
 And nor do I. 
 This whole story of Chopra starts to stink more and more as persons 
 that where there tell versions of what happened. And Judy easily 
 calculated that Chopra was lying when he claimed they where in 
 Britain in august when when in fact Maharishi was giving 
 pressconferences from Vlodrop.
 And Tony Nader not knowing where Maharishi was for about a year ?
 How many except the diehard cynics on this list would believe that ?
 Sorry Chopra, you just blew the little rest of credibility you might 
 have had in my book.

That just makes two of you in the Big Book
Of Crazy People, you and Tony Nader. 

Let's see...YOU believe that Christ is alive
and well and somewhere on the planet, but you
have no evidence for this, only what a charlatan
named Benjamin Creme has told you. Based probably
on the same source, you believe in Space Brothers
who are going to alight any day and reveal to all
of us their secrets. And that's just the tip of
the iceberg of all the things you've told us you
DO believe on this forum. 

And you DON'T believe that Maharishi could get sick.
Or that both he and the TM organization he formed 
around are so terrified of the truth about how 
normal he is getting out that he would want to
(and successfully DID, for a decade and a half)
hide the fact of his illness from the members of
that movement?

H. I'm thinkin' that if King Tony is as normal
as YOU are with regard to what he believes and 
doesn't believe, we're in for some major dramas
as the soap opera that is the TM movement unfolds.

Denial. Not just a river in Egypt. It's also the
life-blood by which TM True Believers maintain
their belief.

[FairfieldLife] Bevan's call on 2/20, more

2008-02-21 Thread Dick Mays


Forwarded from a friend:

Dear Friends,

Bevan managed to connect to us this morning 
(20th).  It was evening in India and he was in a 
car going through the streets of Allahabad on his 
way to a meeting.  As he spoke we could hear the 
sounds of India - many honking car  horns and at 
one point a lot of noise he told us was for a 
wedding procession that was passing by. It all 
made us feel we were right there with him, but 
from the comfort and safety of home -- he was 
also sneezing a lot from the fumes!


He told us of the last part of the rites which 
happened today. Someone sent a report (see 
below).  Bevan added about 200 Dandi Swamis had 
been expected, but actually 600 arrived along 
with many man other Swamis.  (I hope that I got 
the name right - this was Guru Dev's order - you 
can tell them as they always carry a staff.) 
It's amazing how they all got to know - they 
don't have cell phones! There were also many 
Indian dignitaries and officials.


Then the Movement leaders (men only) and all of 
Purusha (about 150 there Bevan said), met with 
the Shankaracharya in the Shankarcharya's house 
which Guru Dev purchased with his magic money 
that would just miraculously appear as needed in 
a box under his bed.  They all squeezed in the 
room where Guru Dev had sat on the 
Shankarcharya's seat.  It must have been amazing, 
to be there and to talk with the Shakarcharya, 
who asked them questions about their experiences 
with TM.


Afterwards everyone was led to a large Pandal to 
eat (separate enclosed areas for each class: 
saints, mortals, and women!). It is customary for 
the family to feed all those who attend the 
rites.  Maharishi's close family were there 
(Girish, Anand and Prakash Shrivastava, plus the 
eldest member of the family, 96 years old) and, 
as is their duty, they went around making sure 
everyone ate fully. Seems it was a very rich 
full, banquet!


So read below to find out more about this last rite.

Jai Guru Dev



The final part  of the last rites is known as 
Uthawala and Brahman Bhojan, i.e. Feast (Meal) 
for the Brahmins.


On February 20, 2008 under the auspices of the 
Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, successor to GURU 
DEV on the Shankaracharya Seat of Jyotir Peeth, 
Himalayas, the last celebration is performed in 
Prayag at Maharishi Ashram in Arail


According to Ayurveda all experiences should be 
metabolized fully so that no residues (ama) 
remain back. The end result of full 
metabolization of food to their most refined 
state is Ojas or Soma. But experiences must also 
be fully metabolized in order to produce bliss as 
their end-result.


Now we all had the chance to fully metabolize our 
beloved Maharishi's full transformation (even of 
the little leshavidya =veil of avidya or 
ignorance that the restriction of the body 
somewhat represents ) to Brahman and 
Maharishi-jis ascent to Heaven and that means 
everyone should feel now fully at home with the 
ever blissful -  most intimate to our own 
innermost self - nature of Maharishi's divine 
presence now. He is always with us  and having 
participated in all the ceremonies now we know 
that even the sanctified remains of his body flow 
now in the veins and arteries, i.e. rivers of 
´Ved Bhumi Bharat, our Motherland India and from 
there into all the oceans of the world and all 
the rivers of the world, so that the morsels and 
atoms of Maharishi's body this way travel into 
all the rivers, i.e. veins and arteries, of all 
the 192 countries of the world.


What remains is Bliss!

Jai Guru Dev

=

Radiating that same divine influence and that 
same purity and nobility of thought and action 
which our forefathers were accustomed to imbibe 
at the foot of our mighty mountain and on the 
Sacred banks of our Holy rivers. I say that in 
the person of Maharishi Bala Brahmachari Mahesh 
Yogi of Uttarkashi we have secured to ourselves 
the presence of a blessed soul who has attained 
an extra-ordinary level of spiritual perfection. 
A brilliant product of the Allahabad University, 
His Holiness has taken to the ascetic way of life 
undergoing a period of training in renunciation 
and self-abnegation under the great Jagadguru 
Bhagavan Sankaracharya Swami Brahmananda 
Saraswati Maharaj of Jyotirmutt, Badarikasram.  

   Thus was Maharishi formally welcomed by Sri S. 
Kuttikrishna Menon at the start of the Spiritual 
Development Conference in Cochin, October, 1955. 
Significantly, Maharishi was characterized as an 
ascetic who had trained himself in 
renunciation and self-abnegation under the 
Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. As a result he had 
attained an extra-ordinary level of spiritual 
perfection and had been blessed with a divine 
influence and a purity and nobility akin to 
that of the sacred and holy ancestors of 
Indian culture.


From Maharishi's Introduction to his comment to the Bhagavad-Gita  


It was the concern of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's take a walk. Speaking with Deepak

2008-02-21 Thread nablusoss1008

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, william108wm 
 william108wm@ wrote:
 
  Deepak said that upon hearing this, Tony was in shock and said to 
 him
  I don't believe a word of this. 

And nor do I. 
This whole story of Chopra starts to stink more and more as persons 
that where there tell versions of what happened. And Judy easily 
calculated that Chopra was lying when he claimed they where in Britain 
in august when when in fact Maharishi was giving pressconferences from 
Vlodrop.
And Tony Nader not knowing where Maharishi was for about a year ?
How many except the diehard cynics on this list would believe that ?
Sorry Chopra, you just blew the little rest of credibility you might 
have had in my book.

[FairfieldLife] jyotish forecast following the Eclipse - RU Ready For Success?

2008-02-21 Thread george_deforest

Lunar eclipse of February 20, 2008
http://freedailyhoroscope.org/vedic-astrology-horoscopes/lunar-eclipse-of-february-20-2008

Eclipse Forecast - RU Ready For Success?

This eclipse takes place in the sign of Leo.
This full moon is joined both South node and the planet Saturn.
There's been a lot of activity around Saturn for the last couple of
years.
This Saturn/South node conjunction has been very important
in shaping not only our collective world but our individual
commitments and personal drives as well.
I've been writing about this important placement
for over a year, since November 2006.

Most recently I called quite a lot of attention
to the potentially auspicious relationship of Jupiter and Saturn.
You can reference this article called
Jupiter and Saturn, Self image, and Career Growth
http://freedailyhoroscope.org/vedic-astrology-horoscopes/jupiter-and-saturn-self-image-and-career-growth

In that article I discuss the amazing potential of this year
and the blessings that the trinal relationship of Jupiter and Saturn
portend
for those courageous enough to step up their commitment level
to a dream worthy of their efforts - their highest dream and vision
for themselves.

Why am I discussing this article in reference to this lunar eclipse?
Because in many ways this lunar eclipse shows a psychological point of
closure
around the issues that began in November 2006 --
when Saturn and Ketu first entered Leo.

Everything in astrology is cycles.
An observant astrologer will recognize the cycles
as opportunities for growth or peril.
Do any of us doubt the important choices before us right now in the
world?
A changing of the guard is possible,
yet the same old nagging fears tempt stagnation.

This past week has seen the old regime in Pakistan lose the popular
election,
raising the stakes on democracy in that important country --
one of our main allies in the War on Terror.

At the same time we've seen the former Serbian province of Kosovo
declare independence amidst celebrations on one hand
and smoldering resentments on the other.

Meanwhile, we see a shocking continuation of random shootings of
innocents
in schools in our country. With looming recessions, billions of
dollars a month
being spent on an uncertain war; and a fascinating political season
has captured everyone's attention as well.

This global stage mirrors our personal one.
Our personal strongholds no longer provide the comfort and security
we had grown accustomed. It is not possible to just sit back
and let things take care of themselves. We must make a decision
or else others will decide our fate for us.

This is what I have been describing since November 2006.
The South node and Saturn will pressure
the very heart of governmental power and personal power in the world.
By the end of it we will be forced to make a commitment
toward a course of action that is either inspiring and uplifting
or in defense of a worn-out paradigm
that we may no longer be able to embrace,
either personally or politically.

This lunar eclipse occurred with the Moon at 8° sidereal Leo.
The South node is at 4° Leo, Saturn is retrograde at almost 12° Leo.
The deepest eclipse point occurred
with the moon exactly between Saturn and the South node.
So, what does this mean?

The Moon is our psychological nature,
the reflection of the undifferentiated Self (ParamAtman - Sun) onto
consciousness (JivAtman - Moon).

We cannot perceive our true self directly,
we must experience its reflection through the agency of consciousness --
our mind and our intuitive, feeling nature -- the Moon.

In Vedic astrology the moon is of utmost importance because of this.
Although the Sun has the activating potential,
the moon is our feeling nature and our instinctive emotional intuition.

For the most part, we are feeling creatures, not thinking ones.
We think a little bit, but not very much.
Most of the decisions we make are based on how we feel,
not what is the most logical, rational, or even best for us.
Stated simply, we do what we feel like doing, almost 100% of the time.
These feelings come from the Moon astrologically.

This eclipse of the moon brings the Saturn/South node in Leo Transit
/ Cycle
into the fertile ground of consciousness, like none other before it.
The moon is the part of us that wants to merge with everything
and integrate everything evenly.

Saturn is like the practical old man who has been around and seen it all.
He's going to give it to you straight whether you want to hear it or not.

The South node is like one who has renounced the world and is somewhat
fed up with it.
Each one of us has a place deep inside ourselves that is not of this
Earth
and does not care about worldly success, making others happy,
or many of the other trinkets of the ego that keep us endlessly
fascinated.

There's a huge opportunity now to tap into that formless source of
core power
that only serves truth -- the truth of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New winds are two edged swords (When people call themselves brahman )

2008-02-21 Thread Sal Sunshine


On Feb 21, 2008, at 12:04 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:


Life -- it's like a metaphor for surfing.


Marek, in my next life I want to come back as you.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fuck God

2008-02-21 Thread matrixmonitor

---So true, curtis..; besides, lack of a preference can also be 
taken as impotence. During the 70's and ongoing for 20 years, I 
worked with a Ghost Whisperer-type medium who could travel out of 
her body at will.  After a few years at doing preliminary types of 
investigations into the inner planes, we gradually discovered that 
there were countless entities in the astral planes just begging to 
get rescued, and sent into the higher planes or into the Void. We 
spent many years rescuing such Souls, but I realized that entities 
like YHVH who claim to be God; are simply incompetant; and it will 
take Buddhists to clean up the mess of entities like YHVH who have 
completely botched the job.!


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  The scriptures I read talk of a forgiving all compassionate God.
  Humans create their own karma. Where does it say otherwise.
  Where does it say Almighty God has a preference one way or 
another?
 
 By karmic theory you have the children with Guinea worms in Africa
 covered, but what about the animals?  How come some were created 
with
 the skill of a kill bite and others. (plenty of others) eat each 
other
 alive?  This kind of behavior is worse than the poorest run
 slaughterhouse ethically isn't it?  So the buck stops with the
 creator.  If he was consistently compassionate he wouldn't have done
 such a poor job with his creation no matter what he claims in the
 scriptures.
 
 The God of the Old Testament is one version of highly petty and
 spiteful,murderous god.  As far as the Hindu scriptures, go I'd say
 the whole Mahabharata has some good examples of a bloodthirsty god 
who
 has little regard for human suffering.  There were many other 
options
 for how those battles could have gone down if compassion rather than
 being right was the goal.  Unless you take it, as I do, as all
 mythology and skip the literal belief in a god completely. Then it 
is
 a great read with plenty of instructive insights about human nature
 rather than an insight into a version of the god idea. 
 
 Thanks for the response.  I understand our POV is miles apart and I
 appreciate your willingness to discuss.  Especially since so far 
all I
 have done is lobbed snark bombs your way so far.
 
 
 
 
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   Yes, but you said it.
   
   Everytime we open our mouth isn't the karmic wheel further 
engaged?
   Munis understand this and don't speak unless spoken to, if at 
all.
   
   Yeah cuz as we know from the world's scriptures, the creator is 
kind
   of a vindictive prick and doesn't even show the compassion and
   understanding of the guy I sit next to on the bus.  Remember 
he/she is
   the one who created animals to eat each other alive.  He/she 
PREFERRED
   it that way.
   
   Om Shanti
   
   Is that Kung Fu for I'm afraid of imaginary things?
   
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 no_reply@ 
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@
 wrote:

 I didn't really mean it. But what I did mean was that that's
 how we
all act across most of the whole world. We need to take the
commandments and make them work such as love thy neighbor. If 
you
can't even love your neighbor, maybe saying fuck them all the 
time,
then one cannot love Gkod personally. But I do mean this to 
include
the whole planet and those who profess to lead. You act like 
you
 hate
the Creation, thus you must hate the Creatrix. Poluting, never
allowing new and better, just new and 'improved.' So anyway I 
just
wanted to clarify. I mean why cannot the three richest people 
just
start opening hospitals across the entire globe, for free. We
 need to
reverse engineer polution. What does that mean, trees?  More 
parks.
One can't swindle others and say they have care for a 
Creator. So in
that way I said what I said. Fact is that if there's a 
Creator she
sees everything.  I doubt all these people who say they 
believe
 in God
mean it much if at all.


Yes, but you said it.

Everytime we open our mouth isn't the karmic wheel further 
engaged?
Munis understand this and don't speak unless spoken to, if at 
all.

Om Shanti

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bevan's call on 2/20, more

2008-02-21 Thread sandiego108

thanks for aiding our digestion!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Forwarded from a friend:
 
 Dear Friends,
 
 Bevan managed to connect to us this morning 
 (20th).  It was evening in India and he was in a 
 car going through the streets of Allahabad on his 
 way to a meeting.  As he spoke we could hear the 
 sounds of India - many honking car  horns and at 
 one point a lot of noise he told us was for a 
 wedding procession that was passing by. It all 
 made us feel we were right there with him, but 
 from the comfort and safety of home -- he was 
 also sneezing a lot from the fumes!
 
 He told us of the last part of the rites which 
 happened today. Someone sent a report (see 
 below).  Bevan added about 200 Dandi Swamis had 
 been expected, but actually 600 arrived along 
 with many man other Swamis.  (I hope that I got 
 the name right - this was Guru Dev's order - you 
 can tell them as they always carry a staff.) 
 It's amazing how they all got to know - they 
 don't have cell phones! There were also many 
 Indian dignitaries and officials.
 
 Then the Movement leaders (men only) and all of 
 Purusha (about 150 there Bevan said), met with 
 the Shankaracharya in the Shankarcharya's house 
 which Guru Dev purchased with his magic money 
 that would just miraculously appear as needed in 
 a box under his bed.  They all squeezed in the 
 room where Guru Dev had sat on the 
 Shankarcharya's seat.  It must have been amazing, 
 to be there and to talk with the Shakarcharya, 
 who asked them questions about their experiences 
 with TM.
 
 Afterwards everyone was led to a large Pandal to 
 eat (separate enclosed areas for each class: 
 saints, mortals, and women!). It is customary for 
 the family to feed all those who attend the 
 rites.  Maharishi's close family were there 
 (Girish, Anand and Prakash Shrivastava, plus the 
 eldest member of the family, 96 years old) and, 
 as is their duty, they went around making sure 
 everyone ate fully. Seems it was a very rich 
 full, banquet!
 
 So read below to find out more about this last rite.
 
 Jai Guru Dev
 
 
 
 The final part  of the last rites is known as 
 Uthawala and Brahman Bhojan, i.e. Feast (Meal) 
 for the Brahmins.
 
 On February 20, 2008 under the auspices of the 
 Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, successor to GURU 
 DEV on the Shankaracharya Seat of Jyotir Peeth, 
 Himalayas, the last celebration is performed in 
 Prayag at Maharishi Ashram in Arail
 
 According to Ayurveda all experiences should be 
 metabolized fully so that no residues (ama) 
 remain back. The end result of full 
 metabolization of food to their most refined 
 state is Ojas or Soma. But experiences must also 
 be fully metabolized in order to produce bliss as 
 their end-result.
 
 Now we all had the chance to fully metabolize our 
 beloved Maharishi's full transformation (even of 
 the little leshavidya =veil of avidya or 
 ignorance that the restriction of the body 
 somewhat represents ) to Brahman and 
 Maharishi-jis ascent to Heaven and that means 
 everyone should feel now fully at home with the 
 ever blissful -  most intimate to our own 
 innermost self - nature of Maharishi's divine 
 presence now. He is always with us  and having 
 participated in all the ceremonies now we know 
 that even the sanctified remains of his body flow 
 now in the veins and arteries, i.e. rivers of 
 ´Ved Bhumi Bharat, our Motherland India and from 
 there into all the oceans of the world and all 
 the rivers of the world, so that the morsels and 
 atoms of Maharishi's body this way travel into 
 all the rivers, i.e. veins and arteries, of all 
 the 192 countries of the world.
 
 What remains is Bliss!
 
 Jai Guru Dev
 
 =
 
 Radiating that same divine influence and that 
 same purity and nobility of thought and action 
 which our forefathers were accustomed to imbibe 
 at the foot of our mighty mountain and on the 
 Sacred banks of our Holy rivers. I say that in 
 the person of Maharishi Bala Brahmachari Mahesh 
 Yogi of Uttarkashi we have secured to ourselves 
 the presence of a blessed soul who has attained 
 an extra-ordinary level of spiritual perfection. 
 A brilliant product of the Allahabad University, 
 His Holiness has taken to the ascetic way of life 
 undergoing a period of training in renunciation 
 and self-abnegation under the great Jagadguru 
 Bhagavan Sankaracharya Swami Brahmananda 
 Saraswati Maharaj of Jyotirmutt, Badarikasram.  
 
 Thus was Maharishi formally welcomed by Sri S. 
 Kuttikrishna Menon at the start of the Spiritual 
 Development Conference in Cochin, October, 1955. 
 Significantly, Maharishi was characterized as an 
 ascetic who had trained himself in 
 renunciation and self-abnegation under the 
 Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. As a result he had 
 attained an extra-ordinary level of spiritual 
 perfection and had

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's take a walk. Speaking with Deepak

2008-02-21 Thread nablusoss1008

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, william108wm 
   william108wm@ wrote:
   
   Deepak said that upon hearing this, Tony was in shock and 
   said to him I don't believe a word of this. 
  
  And nor do I. 
  This whole story of Chopra starts to stink more and more as 
persons 
  that where there tell versions of what happened. And Judy easily 
  calculated that Chopra was lying when he claimed they where in 
  Britain in august when when in fact Maharishi was giving 
  pressconferences from Vlodrop.
  And Tony Nader not knowing where Maharishi was for about a year ?
  How many except the diehard cynics on this list would believe 
that ?
  Sorry Chopra, you just blew the little rest of credibility you 
might 
  have had in my book.
 
 That just makes two of you in the Big Book
 Of Crazy People, you and Tony Nader. 
 
 Let's see...YOU believe that Christ is alive
 and well and somewhere on the planet, but you
 have no evidence for this,

How can you be so sure that I don't ? :-)
People are meeting Him every day: http://www.shareintl.org

 snip

you believe in Space Brothers

Yes indeed ! :-)


 who are going to alight any day and reveal to all
 of us their secrets.

Thats not how they work. But they have been giving information, 
particularily on new technologies pertaining to healing to a certain 
people on earth for a long time.
 
 
 And you DON'T believe that Maharishi could get sick.

Of course I do. He was poisened by an american devotee that 
probably could have killed a horse.


 Or that both he and the TM organization he formed 
 around are so terrified of the truth

Yes, yes, we all know that you posess the TRUTH and nothing but the 
TRUTH Mr. Turq. You keep telling us this year after year, year after 
year. It has become rather tiresome to hear about your truths.

 
 H. I'm thinkin' that if King Tony is as normal
 as YOU are with regard to what he believes and 
 doesn't believe, we're in for some major dramas
 as the soap opera that is the TM movement unfolds.

I'll let you in on a little secret here:
Nobody cares about your opinions of the Movement. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's take a walk. Speaking with Deepak

It's fun to lace up the golf shoes and 
walk over King Tony's incredulousness, 
but in fairness, this incident took 
place 17 years ago. Lots of us were 
believers then. Bevan's remarks after 
Maharishi died led me to believe that 
his Ramness cared for Maharishi in 
his final days. If Tony didn't believe 
Maharishi was mortal then, he does now. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  He said that when Maharishi first came to Holland Deepak got Tony
  Nadar's attention and said Let's take a walk.
  During that walk he told Tony about all the details of Maharishi's   
  near death illnesses and his time in England. 
  Deepak said that upon hearing this, Tony was in shock and said to him
  I don't believe a word of this. 
 
 And to think, I used to wonder what Tony's qualification was for
 becoming the Raja Raam.
 
 Maharishi: Are you gunna believe those lying eyes of yours or what
 I'm telling you?
 
 Tony: I don't see nuth'n boss.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, william108wm
 william108wm@ wrote:
 
  I spoke with Deepak Chopra this morning after a radio interview he did
  in DC.
  As we walked to his car, he spoke about his sadness about the current
  state of the TM org. I mentioned that I felt that his recent essays
  after Maharishi's passing were very valuable for people to hear and
  that it has stimulated alot of emails on this YahooGroup discussion
  board. He said that he just had to do it to clear the air about his
  relationship with the TM org over the years.
  
  He said that when Maharishi first came to Holland Deepak got Tony
  Nadar's attention and said Let's take a walk.
  During that walk he told Tony about all the details of Maharishi's   
  near death illnesses and his time in England. 
  Deepak said that upon hearing this, Tony was in shock and said to him
  I don't believe a word of this. 
  
  I asked Deepak if I may share his conversation with this group. He
said
  Absolutely
  
  John

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Up Asuras!

To the asuras, I say, up your asuras!

- Original Message - 
From: netineti3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 1:49 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God

 Thank you for your, if not truly enlightening, but totally revealing
 discourse of who you and what you are.
 I'm really happy to know that someone knows how these things work.

 Funny how Asuras think like this as well.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Let's take a walk. Speaking with Deepak


 And to think, I used to wonder what Tony's qualification was for
 becoming the Raja Raam.

His most expensive book ever and declaration that he saw Veda in the flesh. 
Thus M gave him his body weight in gold. Which he then split with Bevan in 
chocolate.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fuck God

 but I realized that entities
 like YHVH who claim to be God; are simply incompetant; and it will
 take Buddhists to clean up the mess of entities like YHVH who have
 completely botched the job.!

Takes much work. Gods were like hiring a physician and then the 
physician would take over ones assets. It's high time we took our assets 
back from the Gods and invested them in Earth. Down with Gods, up with 
Godness!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Description of mantra?? : D


Hi there.  Comments are below.

Fred


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 1. Divergent paths? Not all paths lead to the source
 of paths, the giver of paths? And there are only two
 paths?  I generalized to make a point.  The secular worlds take on
Biblical text analysis is worlds apart from Rabbinic exegisis.  I get
the impression that you've not done much reading of these here Rabbi's
I'm referring to.   A  great beginning is from a fantastic translation
of the OT into English by the late and very great Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan. 
The Living Torah

http://www.amazon.com/Living-Torah-Translation-introduction-bibliography\
/dp/0940118726/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1203631250sr=1-12
http://www.amazon.com/Living-Torah-Translation-introduction-bibliograph\
y/dp/0940118726/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1203631250sr=1-12

 2. In what way is Frye's path secular? What is  secular about
Frye, an ordained minister? Harold  Bloom is another kettle of fish, to
be sure.

As I indicated above their approach is literary and the Rabbi's is
religious.  They are just two different and divergent approaches.

 3. Rabinic commentaries lead you to an understanding  better and
faster than a mind well-trained to read the  original and translations
into several different  languages? And this is so in spite of the fact
that  these commentaries are almost impossible to grasp?  Isn't
grasping the whole point of the exercise,  since grasping is union
with the light of  understanding? And if this understanding comes, 
whether slow or instant, with difficult labor or with  easy flight, then
how was the path secular or in any  way inferior?

You wrote Rabinic commentaries lead you to an understanding  better and
faster than a mind well-trained to read the  original and translations
into several different  languages?
Think about what you just said.  Whose mind is well trained to read the
original? A Rabbi or a university professor of English? I'm not entirely
sure of your point.  These generations of Rabbi's understood the
original text and the translations into Aramaic (and way back in the
Talmudic timestranslations into Greek and Latin) a whole bunch
better than anyone living today.   Today, for us in this generation,
some of those rabbinic commentaries are very hard to grasp, especially
the more mystical ones.   Grasping is part of the exercise.  If someone
arrives at a deeper level of understanding then it matters little in
which manner your approach was.  I highlighted the different approaches
and my view that the Rabbinic/religious approach was probably closer to
the inner essence.  The Rabbi's did not have a patent on learning or
insight.  They did hold a tradition of exegisis that predates the  Greek
and Roman Empires, so they have where to stand in terms of our respect. 
Perhaps you forget how old the realms of Jewish intellectual
investigations are?  They go back to the exile in Babylonia (in terms of
the beginning of Rabbinic schools).  It is very old and very well
established.

  It is true that contemporary writers who really  understand the depth
of anagogic language are far and  few between. We do live in a
fundamentalist age.   Even so, have you read Frye's book on William
Blake?  Yes, it is wonderful and very deep.

  It is still the best guide yet produced on a writer  who is every bit
as much a prophet as any of the OT  writers.   Many academics think this
of Blake.  I do not hold that Blake was on the same level as the OT
prophets.

  But, as Blake says, I give you the end of a  golden string--just wind
it up into a ball and it will  lead you in at heaven's gate. That it
seems to me  would be the point. The reader learns to do this with  the
words of a prophet rather than trying to grasp  something almost
impossible--another critic's way of  winding up that string.  I do not
think you quite follow what the role of a prophet or prophetess was in
the Jewish religion.  They were generally granted the grace of prophecy
for the sake of the whole nation.  Some bits and pieces of what they
gathered might have been quite mundane and pertaining to small scale
events.  The larger prophecies, the more familiar ones, were given to
help direct the nation towards repentance and correction of attitudes. 
Some prophecies were couched in totally hidden allegories and metaphors
that perhaps described events in the far off future.  The words of
Daniel and Ezekiel are very strange and describe realities that are so
sublime that they appear as if these men had taken strong drugs.

Which is more direct?   It is also true that commentary such as you
describe  can indeed be instructive. But it is my experience in 
teaching/writing/translating poetry to  students/writers/poets from
pre-school to grad school,  that children are better at understanding
metaphor  than are scholars. Take that simple poem in my last  post,
Poem Written Dream-Side. In it, an old  wisteria tree is mentioned.
When I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Description of mantra?? : D

I don't know about enlightened Rabbis.  I know that for me the one 
true master was Moses.  After that it becomes muddy.  There is 
a Holy Tradition in Judaism perhaps not unlike that of the Puja 
Holy Tradition.  It is written up in Pirkei Avot.  Here is a link 
with the words in English:

http://www.shechem.org/torah/avot.html

These men formed the main chain-link of master to disciple that went 
from Moses all the way down to the end of the Talmudic era.  That is 
a very long and largely unbroken link.  There was one time in this 
history when the nation suffered a huge disruption and this was the 
destruction of the First Temple.  At this time I believe that 
something got lost when these people were forced to go live in 
Babylonia.  This is my theory.  I believe that at some point the 
Mosaic Judaism which was more meditative and involving a more lively 
direct spiritual experience got slowly but surely replaced with a 
vivid but almost entirely intellectual process.  By the time the 
Talmudic age ended, the remnants of the Mosaic techniques were forced 
underground and basically disappeared, with only tiny fragments left 
to pass on in secret groups.  A big resurgence came with the Ari 
HaKodesh (also known as the Ari'Zal).  After him came the Chasidim 
and a re-awakening of the mystical side of our religion.  

Regards,

Fred




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mahamuni Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 How do you know that there is no unbroken lineage chain in Judiasm 
or one of its later sects named Christianity?  Just because it is not 
completely public?
 
 There certainly are traceable lineages in Jewish Mysticism that are 
on the more public side.  I believe the same would go for 
Christianity.
 
 How do you judge enlightenment?  Does each disciple in the chain 
have to be fully enlightened, in order to pass on the lineage 
Shakti?
 
 JAI AMMA!
 
 Surya

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bevan's call on 2/20 -- Guru Gita applied

2008-02-21 Thread george_deforest

 Re: Let's take a walk. Speaking with Deepak
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/166906
 
 He said that when Maharishi first came to Holland
 Deepak got Tony Nadar's attention and said Let's take a walk.
 During that walk he told Tony about all the details of
 Maharishi's near death illnesses and his time in England.
 Deepak said that upon hearing this, Tony was in shock
 and said to him I don't believe a word of this.
 
 And to think, I used to wonder what Tony's qualification was
 forbecoming the Raja Raam.

 Maharishi: Are you gunna believe those lying eyes of yours
 or what I'm telling you?
 
 Tony: I don't see nuth'n boss.

some sage advice from Guru Gita for Deepak:

If Shiva is angry, the Guru saves you,
but if the Guru is angry, even Shiva cannot save you.

we can apply this Guru Gita to another post too:

 Re: I'm ready for my close-up now, Mr. DeMille...
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/164945

 From Blaine Watson: This i have pondered for 22 years
  I wanted Maharishi to go for a walk with me.
  I wanted to see his feet ...

 I looked from his foot back to his eyes and once again
 with his eyes he indicated for me too look down.
 I looked at the foot peeking out from under the shawls
 and as i looked at it he began to wave it at me. 2-3-4 waves.
 And then he looked at me again raising his eyebrows and
 with his eyes asked if that was enough?
 I indicated my whole hearted and grateful yes and he
 pulled his foot back inside the shawl.
 Wow. What a night.

 curtisdeltablues quipped:
 
 OK time for a DVD swap fest!
 I'll trade anybody my Vols 1-6 of Gurus in F-me Pumps
 for just one of Maharishi getting his toe nails painted.

hilariious Curtis, but looks like Blaine got it right:

I worship the Lord Guru, even a few particles of dust
 -from whose feet- form a bridge across the ocean of the world.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Description of mantra?? : D

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Interpretation of text, especially so-called sacred text is not 
science, but art. 



The Rabbi's disagree with you.  Here is a sampling of the 13 rules:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmudical_hermeneutics

It's complex but it guides all Biblical interpretations. 

Regards,

Fred

[snip]

[FairfieldLife] Re: chance to question Deepak publically - any suggestions ?

2008-02-21 Thread mainstream20016

During the book signing portion of Deepak's bookstore appearance last night, he 
graciously responded Oh, yes !, when I extended Rick Archer's greeting, and 
Rick's 
written request on Yahoo Groups Fairfield Life stationery for Deepak to call 
Rick. He also 
gladly received the FFL questions from Ruth and the  FFL extended messages 
summaries 
that several of you suggested would be good questions for Deepak. 
Earlier in the evening he spoke of MMY in the most glowing terms, and mentioned 
recent 
writings on MMY are at  deepakchopra.com.

BTW, Deepak is wearing the most incredibly fashionable eyewear.  Relatively 
thick black 
frames, embedded with dozens and dozens of colorful stones (rubies and diamonds 
??) 
that flash brilliant ruby-red beams of light to the far reaches of the room.  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Rick, Ruth, et al,
Deepak will see each of your questions.  For 
 clarity, I found the original 
 and reprinted FFL # 48039 separately to supplement your note, Rick, to 
 Deepak. Ruth, 
he 
 will see each of your questions.  He will also see the expanded messages 
 section that 
 gives the initial response of the rest of you who commented..and get a feel 
 for everyone 
 else's questions.Thanks for your input.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
   
  
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of mainstream20016
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:13 PM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] chance to question Deepak publically - any
  suggestions ?
  
   
  
  Just got an e-mail from an independenet bookstore announcing Deepak tonight
  will present 
  a new book 'The Third Jesus' to the public. This bookstore opens the floor
  to questions to 
  the author. I'm scheduled to hand out the snack at my son's Boy Scout
  meeting tonight, but 
  I'm thinking of going to the bookstore instead. Any suggested questions for
  Deepak ?
  
  Please hand him a printed copy of My Dinner with Dr. Mahapatra, which I've
  pasted below for your convenience, and say Hi to him from Rick Archer. Tell
  him to give me a call some time if he's ever got a dull moment waiting in an
  airport: 641-472-9336.
  
  My Dinner With Doctor Mahapatra,
  
  He says he was M's personal physician from about 87 to 91. His English
  was a bit hard to understand so I'll do my best to relay some of the
  interesting things he said.
  
  After 91, (I'm not sure of exact dates) M had him as one of the people
  in charge of a group of 6000 boys (M calls them pundits...). At some
  point M's family told M that they didn't like what was going on with
  the big group (I don't have any details) and M dismantled the whole
  thing sending all the boys home to all the families consternation.
  Maha Patra was in the dog house after that, which sounded like about
  95 or 96. He said it was very uncomfortable dealing with all the boys
  families during that time.
  
  Patra said in 87 he was called to M's side in Noida, India and M was
  rolling on the ground, screaming with the pain. He had pancreitis
  (sorry for spelling). Patra put him on a pain killer and a sedative. M
  eventually went to England for 6 months or so for treatment for this.
  M is diabetic and his family has a history of diabetes. I wonder if
  his high sugar intake had anything to do with it? When in England
  everything was kept very secret. When some reporters heard he was at a
  particular hotel, they would rapidly disappear to another location.
  During that time M had his heart attack. I didn't get much of the
  details. M didn't have heart surgery but he did have angeoplasty at a
  hospital in Holland. M used western drugs and western hospitals while
  promoting Ayurveda as the be all and end all. M has good days and bad
  days and has variety of health problems. He stays out of view on the
  bad days.
  
  Patra says M is a megamaniac after world power, (we're all surprised).
  He says the only ones M trusts are his family members, who he gives
  untold millions to. M thinks all Americans are CIA and is really
  paranoid. M asked him if he could test the blood of M's relatives to
  see if someone was trying to poison them. He says M's family members
  are not all good people or ethical people and that they have undue
  influence on M's decisions. He had not heard any stories of M with women.
  
  Patra said he spoke with Deepak, his friend, who told him that all the
  problems started one time when Deepak had to leave M and M wanted him
  to not go. Deepak told M that he had speaking engagements for
  thousands of people all set up and he had to go. M said he heard that
  Deepak was promoting Deepak and not M. Deepak said he always promoted
  M. M continued to be more negative and suspicious and things broke
  down from there. Patra says when anyone gets too popular in the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Description of mantra?? : D

OK Fred, your prophets and readers of prophets have
bigger dicks than mine.  

But I'd still like to see you do some actual
interpretation and see where you get.  It was a simple
enough text--but was it ONLY poetry? What does that
mean?  Poetry cannot reach God?  

Whether anything is art or science is really not a
valid dichotomy when it comes to constructs made of
words. 



--- boyboy_8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Hi there.  Comments are below.
 
 Fred
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
 Mailander
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  1. Divergent paths? Not all paths lead to the
 source
  of paths, the giver of paths? And there are only
 two
  paths?  I generalized to make a point.  The
 secular worlds take on
 Biblical text analysis is worlds apart from Rabbinic
 exegisis.  I get
 the impression that you've not done much reading of
 these here Rabbi's
 I'm referring to.   A  great beginning is from a
 fantastic translation
 of the OT into English by the late and very great
 Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan. 
 The Living Torah
 

http://www.amazon.com/Living-Torah-Translation-introduction-bibliography\

/dp/0940118726/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1203631250sr=1-12

http://www.amazon.com/Living-Torah-Translation-introduction-bibliograph\

y/dp/0940118726/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1203631250sr=1-12
 
  2. In what way is Frye's path secular? What is 
 secular about
 Frye, an ordained minister? Harold  Bloom is
 another kettle of fish, to
 be sure.
 
 As I indicated above their approach is literary and
 the Rabbi's is
 religious.  They are just two different and
 divergent approaches.
 
  3. Rabinic commentaries lead you to an
 understanding  better and
 faster than a mind well-trained to read the 
 original and translations
 into several different  languages? And this is so in
 spite of the fact
 that  these commentaries are almost impossible to
 grasp?  Isn't
 grasping the whole point of the exercise,  since
 grasping is union
 with the light of  understanding? And if this
 understanding comes, 
 whether slow or instant, with difficult labor or
 with  easy flight, then
 how was the path secular or in any  way inferior?
 
 You wrote Rabinic commentaries lead you to an
 understanding  better and
 faster than a mind well-trained to read the 
 original and translations
 into several different  languages?
 Think about what you just said.  Whose mind is well
 trained to read the
 original? A Rabbi or a university professor of
 English? I'm not entirely
 sure of your point.  These generations of Rabbi's
 understood the
 original text and the translations into Aramaic (and
 way back in the
 Talmudic timestranslations into Greek and Latin)
 a whole bunch
 better than anyone living today.   Today, for us in
 this generation,
 some of those rabbinic commentaries are very hard to
 grasp, especially
 the more mystical ones.   Grasping is part of the
 exercise.  If someone
 arrives at a deeper level of understanding then it
 matters little in
 which manner your approach was.  I highlighted the
 different approaches
 and my view that the Rabbinic/religious approach was
 probably closer to
 the inner essence.  The Rabbi's did not have a
 patent on learning or
 insight.  They did hold a tradition of exegisis that
 predates the  Greek
 and Roman Empires, so they have where to stand in
 terms of our respect. 
 Perhaps you forget how old the realms of Jewish
 intellectual
 investigations are?  They go back to the exile in
 Babylonia (in terms of
 the beginning of Rabbinic schools).  It is very old
 and very well
 established.
 
   It is true that contemporary writers who really 
 understand the depth
 of anagogic language are far and  few between. We do
 live in a
 fundamentalist age.   Even so, have you read Frye's
 book on William
 Blake?  Yes, it is wonderful and very deep.
 
   It is still the best guide yet produced on a
 writer  who is every bit
 as much a prophet as any of the OT  writers.   Many
 academics think this
 of Blake.  I do not hold that Blake was on the same
 level as the OT
 prophets.
 
   But, as Blake says, I give you the end of a 
 golden string--just wind
 it up into a ball and it will  lead you in at
 heaven's gate. That it
 seems to me  would be the point. The reader learns
 to do this with  the
 words of a prophet rather than trying to grasp 
 something almost
 impossible--another critic's way of  winding up that
 string.  I do not
 think you quite follow what the role of a prophet or
 prophetess was in
 the Jewish religion.  They were generally granted
 the grace of prophecy
 for the sake of the whole nation.  Some bits and
 pieces of what they
 gathered might have been quite mundane and
 pertaining to small scale
 events.  The larger prophecies, the more familiar
 ones, were given to
 help direct the nation towards repentance and
 correction of attitudes. 
 Some prophecies were couched in totally hidden
 allegories and metaphors
 that perhaps described events in the far off future.
  The

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: chance to question Deepak publically - any suggestions ?

2008-02-21 Thread Rick Archer

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of mainstream20016
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:22 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: chance to question Deepak publically - any
suggestions ?

Rick, Ruth, et al,
Deepak will see each of your questions. For clarity, I found the original 
and reprinted FFL # 48039 separately to supplement your note, Rick, to
Deepak. Ruth, he 
will see each of your questions. He will also see the expanded messages
section that 
gives the initial response of the rest of you who commented..and get a feel
for everyone 
else's questions. Thanks for your input.

What happened with this? Did you see him?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: chance to question Deepak publically - any suggestions ?

2008-02-21 Thread ruthsimplicity


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 During the book signing portion of Deepak's bookstore appearance last
night, he
 graciously responded Oh, yes !, when I extended Rick Archer's
greeting, and Rick's
 written request on Yahoo Groups Fairfield Life stationery for Deepak
to call Rick. He also
 gladly received the FFL questions from Ruth and the  FFL extended
messages summaries
 that several of you suggested would be good questions for Deepak.
 Earlier in the evening he spoke of MMY in the most glowing terms, and
mentioned recent
 writings on MMY are at  deepakchopra.com.


Thank you so much.  I hope he responds.

 BTW, Deepak is wearing the most incredibly fashionable eyewear. 
Relatively thick black
 frames, embedded with dozens and dozens of colorful stones (rubies and
diamonds ??)
 that flash brilliant ruby-red beams of light to the far reaches of the
room.

Hey, I just got  clunky black framed glasses.  They have little jewels
in the bows only so probably not as flashy as Deepak's.  I'm jealous.

[FairfieldLife] 7 lies your doctor may tell you

2008-02-21 Thread yifuxero

http://www.hsibaltimore.com/reports/7_most_0907.html

[FairfieldLife] dangers of lectins

2008-02-21 Thread yifuxero

http:/www.tinyurl.com/2b79hd

Some people can tell when a particular food they ate disagreed with 
them and they will avoid it, while others have been eating foods that 
have been slowly eroding their health without noticing it because 
they have become used to the low grade inflammation in their GI 
tracts. Many common symptoms are really the result of the lectin 
interactions with our immune systems. An example of a common lectin 
that many have heard of is gluten or gliadin. Some of the post-meal 
reactions to lectins are:
 Headaches, brain fog, lack of concentration
 Skin problems such as itchiness, eczema, and acne
 Water retention, puffiness around the eyes, extremities
 Bloating  a very common symptom
 Easy weight gain and stubborn weight loss
 Chronic fatigue and post-meal fatigue
 Chronically clearing throat and excess mucous
 Respiratory symptoms like chronic, (non-illness) coughing
 Joint stiffness and pain (particularly in the morning)
 Urinary weakness or chronic inflammation or infection
 Abdominal pain and gas with meals, excessive belching (lectins can 
also lower the HCL levels impairing digestion)
 Gastric reflux and upset stomach
 Irritable bowel and spastic colon
 Hyperactivity
 Sinus problems, itchy nose, congestion and post-nasal drip
 Insulin shifts affecting blood sugar balance 

Lectins are specialized proteins commonly found in fruits, 
vegetables, and seafood, and especially in grains, beans and seeds. 
They are not degraded by stomach acid or proteolytic enzymes, making 
them virtually resistant to digestion. Certain lectins consumed in 
everyday foods can bind to cells in the gut and to blood cells, 
initiating an inflammatory response and contributing to such problems 
as digestive disorders, weight gain, post-meal fatigue and immune 
challenges. Lectin Lock is a unique blend designed to lock up 
problematic lectins and safely escort them out of the body. Take with 
every meal for better health now as part of a program of prevention 
for the future.

[FairfieldLife] Re: New winds are two edged swords (When people call themselves brahman )