[FairfieldLife] 'Election Ghetto Psyops-...'
Election Ghetto Psyops These are some campaign trix to re-cognize when 'you' are being Manipulated: When the candidate uses Fear to get Votes. When a candidate supposes he or she is the Inevitable Candidate. When a candidate praises the candidate of the Opposition party. When a candidate will do Anything to win, saying that the Ends justify the means. When a candidate(Hillary) uses (her friends) in the media (SNL) to: objectify her competition, by portraying him as a Black-Face Clown, as Cowardly, as Whimpering, as confused a cursing and lacking in charisma, places him in the Ghetto...When that candidate is the one who curses, like during the Clinton/Lewinsky Finger wagging period; Both Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky shut down and paralyzed the Government/Media, during the (late 1990s), while Osama bin Laden plotted against us... When a candidate attempts to appear to be winning when they are actually losing, and when that same candidate doesnt even acknowledge and congratulate the winner, of their same party. When a Candidate surrounds herself with Military Generals, and attempts to persuade that she is a candidate of the people (similar to Pakistan). When a candidates reason for running is that she is still married to a man who still wishes to be: President (Bill Clinton- 3rd term) Robert Gimbel Seattle, Washington 2008 - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bonnie Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been watching from afar for the last several months on all of the postings and finally today when I saw comments flying around about Sri Sri...I took the plunge as HE is too dear to my heart. Just to give you some perspective on the differ- ence between you and the people you're looking down on from on high, Bonnie, many of us believe that any spiritual teacher who would allow one of his blissninny students to refer to HIM in all-capital letters would be worth avoiding at any cost. Most of the spiritual teachers I know would hear that and spit, and then throw the blissninny out into the cold, hard world for a while to get sane before they allowed them to infect other students with such nonsense. And IMO they would be right to do so. After your several months of lurking, it would appear that you have learned very little about this group of people. On the whole they're about finding their own path, not slavishly following someone else's. If you prefer the latter, no problemo, but don't expect to get away with it here without someone saying something. It's like encountering a fundamentalist Christian who can't get through a sentece without invoking the name of JEEZUS, and spelling it all in caps to boot. Let's put it this way...I've been on this list for a couple of years and encountered a few folks here who like SSRS, without once having any nega- tive feelings about him and his teachings and what that might mean for his students. It took YOU to raise that kinda red flag for me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...
Sorry, Zoran, but your suggestion is a bit too coy for my simple perception. What would I see in the pictures from Maharishi's funeral? Thanks. There are two movements in the movement: American/European one (rajas) and Indian one (Maharishi's family - Shrivastavas, Girish Varma, Nand Kishore etc.) Maaharishi's family has shown during funeral who is with them and whom they are supporting. Indian part of movement was always dragging money from westerners and spending it in India on various things. They are expecting that this will continue, but Maharishi is not there any more to collect such amounts from westerners and forward it to India. Confrontation between those two movements is inevitable. In that light you should analyze this suggestion that Nand Kishore should be Maaharishi's successor.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Nandikeeshore should be the Guru after MMY!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What irks me about Sri Sri is how his followers talk about him like he's the shit. Factually speaking he's the shit as much as any of us, and that's what he'll be just as we all will be, when we are through. Bingo. I found myself thinking as I read the story told by someone here of sitting in a car with him boppin' to some music as if he were a normal guy, He IS a normal guy. Believing otherwise is what keeps you unenlightened.
[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@ wrote: ...closely look at the pictures from Maharishi's funeral... and in adition make small intellectual exercise about movement's money... Yeah, i noticed that too. Is a fascinating character story i think. Methinks da minuscule 'i' of thine is in tentional...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is far more than just Sahaj Samadhi Meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
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Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote:
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Kirk, what you just wrote above is total BS.
OffWorld
To me it seems to be some kind of HTML code, or stuff.
[FairfieldLife] Sattvic happiness?
BG XVIII 37
yat tad agre viSam iva
parinâme 'mRtopamam
tat sukhaM sâttvikam proktam
âtma-buddhi-prasâda-jam
Without sandhi:
yat tat agre viSam iva
parinâme amRta+upamam
tat sukhaM sâttvikam proktam
âtma-buddhi-prasâda-jam
A.C's vocabulary:
yat--that which; tat--that; agre--in the beginning; visam iva--like
poison; pariname--at the end; amrta--nectar; upamam--compared to;
tat--that; sukham--happiness; sattvikam--in the mode of goodness;
proktam--is said; atma--self; buddhi--intelligence; prasada-jam--
satisfactory.
TRANSLATION [by A.C.]
That which in the beginning may be just like poison but at the end
is just like nectar and which awakens one to self-realization is
said to be happiness in the mode of goodness.
PURPORT
--
N.B. The second line (without sandhi) 'pariNaame amRta-upamam'
is interesting because with sandhi it becomes 'pariNaame
`mRtopamam', that is, the initial 'a' of 'amRta' disappears
after 'e'(and 'a' + 'u' 'o'[cf. 'aum'{'au' rhymes with 'how'}
'om']). Thus the word 'amRta' becomes ad hoc homonymic with the
word 'mRta' which means, amongst other things, 'death'; 'amRta',
which often is translated to 'nectar', literally means, amongst
other things, 'immortality' (a-mRta: not-death).
It might be that in recitation those two seemingly homonymic
words [('mRta' and '[a]mRta')would have a different melodic accent.
I have absolutely no idea whether that's the case or not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: money... Money, drugs and violence. That's the three things held dearly by any Serb. Pray tell, which superior Aryan nation are you from, Nabnuts? Whats that ? My race is not superior to ant other race. But do you deny that different nations has different tendencies that characteries them ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is far more than just Sahaj Samadhi Meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 13, 2008, at 9:37 PM, off_world_beings wrote: But FFL wouldn't be FFL life without the profanators, such as Kirk, Turq, Burt, Al, Sal, Hal, Shemp, Bent, Hemp, and Dr. Sutphen. When was the last time any of us profanated, off? AFAIK, There you go again, AFAIK = A@@ F[EMAIL PROTECTED] alien idiot Kun# She should be banned for that one Rick ! the one who does that the most is you. In your dreams hippie chic. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is far more than just Sahaj Samadhi Meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
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Kirk, what you just wrote above is total BS.
OffWorld
To me it seems to be some kind of HTML code, or stuff.
Lol
OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anybody get the ledger today...?
Good job Rick , well balanced (except for the crazy huggin' saint bit - just nutzo) and it reminds me of why Fairfied was voted one of the 10 best places to live in US by mother earth magazine or something. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:32 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Anybody get the ledger today...? Rick, can you post a link to it? Thanks I don't think they put the editorial page online, but I posted the letter here. Here it is again, in case you didn't see it. Mr. Ed can post his. In response to Sabrina Eklund's and Wilda Hadley's letter (Fairfield can survive without M.U.M., Feb. 21): Of course it could. And most of us could survive without one of our kidneys. But I'd rather have two. I agree with their contention that the campus is not the only thing that makes this town golden, but I think they underestimate the influence of the meditating community, of which the campus is only a subset. In response to their question, If our town wasn't thriving before, why did you come here?, the obvious answer is that a bankrupt, deserted campus was available at a bargain hardly a symptom of a thriving town. The community was eager to see it occupied, and welcomed the meditators with open arms. That welcome may have been abused on occasion, sometimes egregiously, but the meditators' net effect has been overwhelmingly positive. They have created or imported businesses that have employed thousands over the years, and have been a driving force behind many events and accomplishments of which all Fairfielders can be proud. Clashes are inevitable whenever cultures intermingle. But over time, friendships, marriages, business partnerships, and simple proximity blur the lines of segregation, and eventually, separating the cultures becomes as difficult and potentially as lethal as separating conjoined twins. We have long since reached that point in Fairfield. Born and raised here now refers to hundreds of younger meditators, many of whom are having children of their own. Meditators have been here for 35 years and couldn't leave en masse if they wanted to, nor would most leave even if MUM were to shut down. But hypothetically, if they did leave, Fairfield's economy and culture would be devastated. In case you think that all meditators are of one mind, they are actually a very diverse, eclectic group. Most are not vegetarians, they are among the congregations of most local churches, many are politically conservative, many don't care which way their houses face, and many don't even meditate anymore. I, for instance, have been meditating since the '60's, but am no longer part of the TM Organization. They booted me out five days after 9/11 for being involved with Amma (the Hugging Saint who comes to Iowa each summer). We don't live in a black and white world. If you want to be true to yourself and to reality, avoid simplistic generalizations. Every person, group, community, religion, and nation is an intricate mix of virtue and vice, wisdom and foolishness. We all tend to fortify our egos by regarding our own group as superior, but in fact, none of us has all the pieces of the puzzle, and we'll never solve it until we learn acceptance and cooperation. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM
[FairfieldLife] The Great Tantra Challenge
From Indian TV: http://www.rationalistinternational.net/ http://www.rationalistinternational.net/article/2008/20080310/en_1.html On 3 March 2008, in a popular TV show, Sanal Edamaruku, the president of Rationalist International, challenged India’s most “powerful” tantrik (black magician) to demonstrate his powers on him. That was the beginning of an unprecedented experiment. After all his chanting of mantra (magic words) and ceremonies of tantra failed, the tantrik decided to kill Sanal Edamaruku with the “ultimate destruction ceremony” on live TV. (...)
[FairfieldLife] Santa Barbara's Independent: His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
http://www.independent.com/news/2008/mar/13/his-holiness-maharishi-mahesh-yogi-1911--2008/http://www.independent.com/news/2008/mar/13/his-holiness-maharishi-mahesh-yogi-1911--2008/ Photo: Al Bourdet His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 1911*- 2008 Thursday, March 13, 2008 By James Powell The first time I met Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was in Malibu, on the beach. It was a typical summer day in Southern California. Not much was happening. There was a south swell. From time to time a sun worshiper atop a towel would flip over, a seagull would sail off into the fog, or a large set of waves would come crashing in. As I recall, I stood on the beach with some of my surfing buddies. We were probably dressed in the surfer's uniform of the era: corduroy pants and white Penney's T-shirts covered by Pendeltons, not tucked in. Unlike most surfers on most beaches that day, however, we each held in our hands a bouquet of flowers. Suddenly cars arrived. Doors were flung open. A cameraman emerged, and next some guys in suits. A brown, sandaled foot from within the car could be seen feeling for the ground, and then - bearded and wearing a long, flowing, white dhoti - an Indian man stepped out onto the dirt road. He seemed enveloped in a nimbus of such serenity and light that, seeing him, the effect was similar to what one feels deep in a canyon before dawn, when suddenly the sun bursts over the rim. With the camera now trained on us - the surfer-boy extras in a documentary film - Maharishi approached, clearly enjoying the eternity in each step as he floated across the sand. As he drew near, something happened that I was not at all prepared for. My soul began to swoon. In place of the crashing of the waves, which now seemed far in the distance, was an immensely beautiful sea of silent consciousness. It was, to put it mildly, simply adorable. Lost in it, I could neither speak nor move. When Maharishi tugged on my flowers, I was unable to release my grip. He looked into my eyes, touched my hand, and my fingers opened. It would be impossible to forget the blithe beauty of those eyes. He looked into each of ours, playfully. After accepting our flowers he looked out to sea, and then, regarding us again and smiling like the happiest man on earth, he asked, Are you enjoying the ocean? Thus began my transcendental studies -lessons such as I had never known. The classroom was the Heart; the assignment was to locate the point within where the soul loses its boundaries and becomes absorbed in something infinite. Typically, by the time Maharishi arrived at his seat in any of the countless lecture halls he spoke in around the world, he would be hugging to his chest hundreds of flowers accepted from students greeting him on his way in. And in each one of those exchanges was a moment as spiritually transforming as the one I had known on the beach. Yet, Maharishi's aim was not to establish a personality cult. Each and every flower he accepted in each and every lecture hall he would place reverently before the image of his beloved teacher, Guru Dev, to whom he dedicated every instant of his life. And he tirelessly encouraged each of us to dive into the ocean of consciousness his Guru Dev embodied, by diving deep within our hearts during meditation. Maharishi, in speaking of his teacher, always emphasized that the events in a spiritually illumined life are not so important. What is important is the state of his or her enlightenment. So I will not list all Maharishi's many accomplishments throughout the world. Perhaps something of his level of presence can be felt through these few words. Maharishi visited Santa Barbara on several occasions because some of his dearest friends lived here: Walter and Rae Koch, the family of Tom and Susan Headley, and Arthur and Christina Granville. Over the past few decades, teachers at Santa Barbara's Transcendental Meditation center instructed more than 10,000 Santa Barbarans in meditation. In addition, Santa Barbara was at one time the home of the fledgling Maharishi International University, now located in Fairfield, Iowa. Are you enjoying the ocean? Although those were the first words I had ever heard him speak, through the years I realized that they contained his entire teaching. For Maharishi was absolutely certain of one fact: His soul was forever floating within an ocean of unbounded bliss. He was well aware that the state of life he was living was adorable, and that anyone could begin to live it.attachment: image 21.jpg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...
On Mar 14, 2008, at 1:06 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Sorry, Zoran, but your suggestion is a bit too coy for my simple perception. What would I see in the pictures from Maharishi's funeral? Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@ wrote: ...closely look at the pictures from Maharishi's funeral... and in adition make small intellectual exercise about movement's money... Money, drugs and violence. That's the three things held dearly by any Serb. Pray tell, which superior Aryan nation are you from, Nabnuts? He's English.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's last journey to Uttarkashi - a journey to the place where it all began
From a friend. Some of it is in German, some in English, but Google has a translate feature if you install the Google Toolbar. Please paste the URL to the Address line on top of the Explorer window and you'll be on your way to the Himalaya... HYPERLINK http://sashas-india.blog.dehttp://sashas-india.blog.de With best wishes and JAI GURU DEV No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Nandikeeshore should be the Guru after MMY!
There are two movements in the movement: American/European one (rajas) and Indian one (Maharishi's family - Shrivastavas, Girish Varma, Nand Kishore etc.) Maaharishi's family has shown during funeral who is with them and whom they are supporting. Indian part of movement was always dragging money from westerners and spending it in India on various things. They are expecting that this will continue, but Maharishi is not there any more to collect such amounts from westerners and forward it to India. Confrontation between those two movements is inevitable. In that light you should analyze this suggestion that Nand Kishore should be Maaharishi's successor.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Santa Barbara's Independent: His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
The author of this article, James Powell, is quite a character. I was on an ATR with him in 1975. Nice guy. Very funny. --- Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.independent.com/news/2008/mar/13/his-holiness-maharishi-mahesh-yogi-1911--2008/http://www.independent.com/news/2008/mar/13/his-holiness-maharishi-mahesh-yogi-1911--2008/ Photo: Al Bourdet His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 1911*- 2008 Thursday, March 13, 2008 By James Powell The first time I met Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was in Malibu, on the beach. It was a typical summer day in Southern California. Not much was happening. There was a south swell. From time to time a sun worshiper atop a towel would flip over, a seagull would sail off into the fog, or a large set of waves would come crashing in. As I recall, I stood on the beach with some of my surfing buddies. We were probably dressed in the surfer's uniform of the era: corduroy pants and white Penney's T-shirts covered by Pendeltons, not tucked in. Unlike most surfers on most beaches that day, however, we each held in our hands a bouquet of flowers. Suddenly cars arrived. Doors were flung open. A cameraman emerged, and next some guys in suits. A brown, sandaled foot from within the car could be seen feeling for the ground, and then - bearded and wearing a long, flowing, white dhoti - an Indian man stepped out onto the dirt road. He seemed enveloped in a nimbus of such serenity and light that, seeing him, the effect was similar to what one feels deep in a canyon before dawn, when suddenly the sun bursts over the rim. With the camera now trained on us - the surfer-boy extras in a documentary film - Maharishi approached, clearly enjoying the eternity in each step as he floated across the sand. As he drew near, something happened that I was not at all prepared for. My soul began to swoon. In place of the crashing of the waves, which now seemed far in the distance, was an immensely beautiful sea of silent consciousness. It was, to put it mildly, simply adorable. Lost in it, I could neither speak nor move. When Maharishi tugged on my flowers, I was unable to release my grip. He looked into my eyes, touched my hand, and my fingers opened. It would be impossible to forget the blithe beauty of those eyes. He looked into each of ours, playfully. After accepting our flowers he looked out to sea, and then, regarding us again and smiling like the happiest man on earth, he asked, Are you enjoying the ocean? Thus began my transcendental studies -lessons such as I had never known. The classroom was the Heart; the assignment was to locate the point within where the soul loses its boundaries and becomes absorbed in something infinite. Typically, by the time Maharishi arrived at his seat in any of the countless lecture halls he spoke in around the world, he would be hugging to his chest hundreds of flowers accepted from students greeting him on his way in. And in each one of those exchanges was a moment as spiritually transforming as the one I had known on the beach. Yet, Maharishi's aim was not to establish a personality cult. Each and every flower he accepted in each and every lecture hall he would place reverently before the image of his beloved teacher, Guru Dev, to whom he dedicated every instant of his life. And he tirelessly encouraged each of us to dive into the ocean of consciousness his Guru Dev embodied, by diving deep within our hearts during meditation. Maharishi, in speaking of his teacher, always emphasized that the events in a spiritually illumined life are not so important. What is important is the state of his or her enlightenment. So I will not list all Maharishi's many accomplishments throughout the world. Perhaps something of his level of presence can be felt through these few words. Maharishi visited Santa Barbara on several occasions because some of his dearest friends lived here: Walter and Rae Koch, the family of Tom and Susan Headley, and Arthur and Christina Granville. Over the past few decades, teachers at Santa Barbara's Transcendental Meditation center instructed more than 10,000 Santa Barbarans in meditation. In addition, Santa Barbara was at one time the home of the fledgling Maharishi International University, now located in Fairfield, Iowa. Are you enjoying the ocean? Although those were the first words I had ever heard him speak, through the years I realized that they contained his entire teaching. For Maharishi was absolutely certain of one fact: His soul was forever floating within an ocean of unbounded bliss. He was well aware that the state of life he was living was adorable, and that anyone could begin to live it. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anybody get the ledger today...?
How bad is the typo? --- Mr. Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course my letter has a GODDAMN TYPO in it. I can't write 4 sentences without [EMAIL PROTECTED] up somethin'.(Shit!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Rick..they ran mine tooRight underneath yours. It was just a couple sentences..but I'm pleased.anyhoo.rock on.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: It's out. My former neighbor (non-meditator) called to congratulate me. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback
Sorry that you took my comments as condensing as they were not intended as such. I think it was more my way of expressing my frustration after reading some of the contributions. And as I find a good number of the comments energetically not in aligment with my perspectives, that is why I consider the groups value for me..not for your usage if you participate. And also, I have in the past sent 2 other emails..but perhaps I never sent them correctly for they never appeared. (I'll usually reasonablely tech friendly! :) ) And yes... of course I have noticed that those in these group are about finding their own path.that is clear. And it is unfortunate that you now are suggesting that you have negative feelings and thoughts about SSRS. That is your decision and I hope that you can sometime drop that and see value. Bonnie
[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Sorry, Zoran, but your suggestion is a bit too coy for my simple perception. What would I see in the pictures from Maharishi's funeral? Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@ wrote: ...closely look at the pictures from Maharishi's funeral... and in adition make small intellectual exercise about movement's money... Money, drugs and violence. That's the three things held dearly by any Serb. Pray tell, which superior Aryan nation are you from, Nabnuts? Back when Nabby was posting as lupidus108 and not hiding his IP address, he was posting from a chello.no IP. Chello.no is a Norwegian ISP. Behold, the power of lutefisk!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback
On Mar 14, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Bonnie Rosen wrote: And it is unfortunate that you now are suggesting that you have negative feelings and thoughts about SSRS. That is your decision and I hope that you can sometime drop that and see value. Bonnie, Lecturing people and telling them how negative they supposedly are usually isn't a great way to begin somewhere. Try accepting others' POV as you would like without the value judgements. Also, including the comments you're replying to instead of just tossing out replies with no reference would be helpful. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bonnie Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it is unfortunate that you now are suggesting that you have negative feelings and thoughts about SSRS. That is your decision and I hope that you can sometime drop that and see value. You completely miss the point. The ONLY negative feelings I have about SSRS, and that I have EVER had about him, are as a direct result of encountering YOU. If he allows you to act like such an insuffer- able blissninny as to write HIS name in all caps when referring to him, how good a teacher can he be?
[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 14, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Back when Nabby was posting as lupidus108 and not hiding his IP address, he was posting from a chello.no IP. Chello.no is a Norwegian ISP. Behold, the power of lutefisk! Too much lye in the ludefisk could be part of the problem! Funny, I always took Nabby as a snooty Englishman since that's often how he comes across. He is from Norway. Ingegerd
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...
On Mar 14, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Back when Nabby was posting as lupidus108 and not hiding his IP address, he was posting from a chello.no IP. Chello.no is a Norwegian ISP. Behold, the power of lutefisk! Too much lye in the ludefisk could be part of the problem! Funny, I always took Nabby as a snooty Englishman since that's often how he comes across.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...
Wherever he is from, the dude has a few issues! --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 14, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Back when Nabby was posting as lupidus108 and not hiding his IP address, he was posting from a chello.no IP. Chello.no is a Norwegian ISP. Behold, the power of lutefisk! Too much lye in the ludefisk could be part of the problem! Funny, I always took Nabby as a snooty Englishman since that's often how he comes across. He is from Norway. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback
--- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 14, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Bonnie Rosen wrote: And it is unfortunate that you now are suggesting that you have negative feelings and thoughts about SSRS. That is your decision and I hope that you can sometime drop that and see value. Bonnie, Lecturing people and telling them how negative they supposedly are usually isn't a great way to begin somewhere. Try accepting others' POV as you would like without the value judgements. Also, including the comments you're replying to instead of just tossing out replies with no reference would be helpful. Sal Cat fight! Cat fight! Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anybody get the ledger today...?
Oh it's not too bad. I'm rather hard on myself...It's worse with my mucial recordings. Here's my letter withOUT the typoIt said they've disliked I meant they're disliked Don't Shut Out the North Side of Town. To The editor: A response to Sabrina Ecklund's and Wilda Hadley's letter Fairfield can survive without M.U.M. I'm not from here and I'm not a TM'er. I've been here five years and love it. But no town is perfect. I've heard TM'ers say that they're disliked out of ignorance. Maybe there'd be less ignorance if there were less secrecy. The sentiment expressed by Sabrina and Wilda is no accident. On the other hand, why would anyone rather live in a town without 20 good restaurants, an unusually high nuber of world class musicians and artists and a list of community events that towns this big usually don't have. Judge and shut out all the people involved in the goings on north of town and you're missing out on some awesome people. I love Fairfield's townies and ru's and feel priviledged to be here. Ed Raines, Fairfield--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How bad is the typo? --- Mr. Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course my letter has a GODDAMN TYPO in it. I can't write 4 sentences without [EMAIL PROTECTED] up somethin'.(Shit!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Ed the_edvark@ wrote: Hey Rick..they ran mine tooRight underneath yours. It was just a couple sentences..but I'm pleased.anyhoo.rock on.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: It's out. My former neighbor (non-meditator) called to congratulate me. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 14, 2008, at 1:06 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Sorry, Zoran, but your suggestion is a bit too coy for my simple perception. What would I see in the pictures from Maharishi's funeral? Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@ wrote: ...closely look at the pictures from Maharishi's funeral... and in adition make small intellectual exercise about movement's money... Money, drugs and violence. That's the three things held dearly by any Serb. Pray tell, which superior Aryan nation are you from, Nabnuts? He's English. He is from Norway. i know this guy. Ingegerd
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anybody get the ledger today...?
Re: Anybody get the ledger today...? Oh it's not too bad. I'm rather hard on myself...It's worse with my musical recordings. Here's my letter withOUT the typoIt said they've disliked I meant they're disliked Don't Shut Out the North Side of Town. To The editor: A response to Sabrina Ecklund's and Wilda Hadley's letter Fairfield can survive without M.U.M. I'm not from here and I'm not a TM'er. I've been here five years and love it. But no town is perfect. I've heard TM'ers say that they're disliked out of ignorance. Maybe there'd be less ignorance if there were less secrecy. The sentiment expressed by Sabrina and Wilda is no accident. On the other hand, why would anyone rather live in a town without 20 good restaurants, an unusually high nuber of world class musicians and artists and a list of community events that towns this big usually don't have. Judge and shut out all the people involved in the goings on north of town and you're missing out on some awesome people. I love Fairfield's townies and ru's and feel priviledged to be here. Ed Raines, Fairfield--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How bad is the typo? --- Mr. Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course my letter has a GODDAMN TYPO in it. I can't write 4 sentences without [EMAIL PROTECTED] up somethin'.(Shit!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Ed the_edvark@ wrote: Hey Rick..they ran mine tooRight underneath yours. It was just a couple sentences..but I'm pleased.anyhoo.rock on.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: It's out. My former neighbor (non-meditator) called to congratulate me. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How bad is the typo? --- Mr. Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course my letter has a GODDAMN TYPO in it. I can't write 4 sentences without [EMAIL PROTECTED] up somethin'.(Shit!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Ed the_edvark@ wrote: Hey Rick..they ran mine tooRight underneath yours. It was just a couple sentences..but I'm pleased.anyhoo.rock on.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: It's out. My former neighbor (non-meditator) called to congratulate me. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is far more than just Sahaj Samadhi Meditation
Thanks for the personal history, Louis. When we were in school together I never thought to ask, What's your story? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My saddest thought is one day in Montreal I had this great experience. SSRS was my breath. Not just as in some master coming to the disciple but as in taste smell touch as in more intimate than I had ever experienced anything or anyone. Then I heard now you have me. I knew my time of physical closeness to him was coming to a close. I cried. Because he was my best best friend. When I met him he did not tell me to sit at his feet. He told me to sit on the sofa with him. I chose to sit at his feet. The next thing the following year he let me drive him from LA to Oakland. God that was so neat. I was in heaven. We had been all over southern cal and now on a Sunday late at night I was driving him to Santa Barbara. I was afraid I would fall asleep. I did not. He and Martin and I. Then because some people in this group hate these type stories I will skip the mushy stuff. Anyway We had a great time. In Big Sur we had fun and it was great to be a friend to him. Then when it came time to go from Big Sur to Oakland I knew that the way to capture him was to be prepared. So I had heavy competition Shirley and her Husband were driving and he would normally go with them. Except their car was full of dust. I got up early got my car washed got music I knew he would like and all of the treats I knew he would like to eat. With Flowers all in the car. He got in the car and said Shut up. Don't say a word. He made me drive all the way to Oakland in silence. When we got there, I decided to do the course. An advanced course. So I got on the course and when we went into silence. This time I did not go hang out with the Guru. I went to sleep every night. I stayed mostly in silence and I did the program as best I could. Sometimes I would be asked to do something then I had to break silence or whatever. In any case. I could feel his presence and be inside of him in rooms where ever. I could know the conversations they were having. I had never had that kind of closeness with anyone. Then the course ended I went back to LA and yes I did see him again but I have not been on a course since nor been in his presence in the same way. I think he knew and that is why he gave me so much attention. Yet it wasn't that I was kicked out or ousted. It was that my path and my dharma was leading me to be me. I took him with me. So I have been doing all kinds of other things around the world. Yet with not even a drop of what he has done. So no, he is not one who would need to pretend. He is so cool more cool than anyone, yet sweet more sweet than MMY who is also very very near and dear. Yet when he told me I had to repeat phase one of his TTC I was so heart broke and he was so firm about it that it was like shedding the tears of a thousand lifetimes. So in the end AMA gives hugs, Guru Mayi gives Darshan Ravi SHankar he goes to Iraq and Pakistan and Brazil to places that others would refuse to go. He would go to Glasgow or Estonia or Russia Moscow and not be afraid. Me too walk the streets of Harlem at 3 am he is my best friend. So in that same way Maharishi came to me in a dream at 14. I thought he was my uncle,(my uncle was a gardener) he was sitting in meditation surrounded by flowers. I thought my favorite uncle in the world had died. I cried and cried and cried that night. Then when I realized it was a dream. Oh boy. When I realized it was Maharishi, oh man I was set on getting even for that one. When I saw a sign that said he would be doing a lecture I got a tomato. I went to the lecture and left. It was some white guy talking about meditation. A year later I met the man who would teach me to meditate on the radio a late night talk show. I had been trying to kill myself because I was tired of being different. The guy was going to be doing a poetry reading in NYC. He had just come back from Ethiopia where he was taught to be a teacher of transcendental meditation. In my world they were telling me that drugs, and prison were the way for me. Or since I was creative my way was to be gay. I decided that I would rather die. So I went to school came home and was working on getting pneumonia. My only grace was this radio show. At 16 they invited me to come to New York. I did. that was in march by June of that year 1974 I began meditating. Soon I was no longer living in my home town. I was pulled totally out of the environment. TM teachers became my family. I grew through 17, 18 and almost 19 in the centers of New York city. In October of 1974 I got to meditate with Maharishi, meet Jeri Jarvis and meditate with thousands of people in Madison Square Garden. That was the only time I
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bonnie Rosen Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:55 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback And also, I have in the past sent 2 other emails..but perhaps I never sent them correctly for they never appeared. (I'll usually reasonablely tech friendly! :) ) Another technical point, Bonnie, is that while most people neglect to “snip” unneeded parts of previous posts in their responses, which is a nuisance for many reasons, you snip everything, so sometimes it’s hard to know what point you’re responding to. I would suggest leaving in just a sentence or two, as I have done here. IOW, leave in just the point(s) to which you are responding, and snip the rest. This applies to everyone, not just Bonnie. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:18 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future... On Mar 14, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Back when Nabby was posting as lupidus108 and not hiding his IP address, he was posting from a chello.no IP. Chello.no is a Norwegian ISP. Behold, the power of lutefisk! Too much lye in the ludefisk could be part of the problem! Funny, I always took Nabby as a snooty Englishman since that's often how he comes across. I thought he was German, because of his fanatical tendencies. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM
[FairfieldLife] Sue Al Gore for fraud!
Weather Channel Founder: Sue Al Gore for Fraud Friday, March 14, 2008 March 13, 2008: Office workers take shelter under umbrellas as they walk past a building's exterior landscaped with a water curtain in Singapore. March 13, 2008: Office workers take shelter under umbrellas as they walk past a building's exterior landscaped with a water curtain in Singapore. The founder of the Weather Channel wants to sue Al Gore for fraud, hoping a legal debate will settle the global-warming debate once and for all. John Coleman, who founded the cable network in 1982, suggests suing for fraud proponents of global warming, including Al Gore, and companies that sell carbon credits. Is he committing financial fraud? That is the question, Coleman said. Since we can't get a debate, I thought perhaps if we had a legal challenge and went into a court of law, where it was our scientists and their scientists, and all the legal proceedings with the discovery and all their documents from both sides and scientific testimony from both sides, we could finally get a good solid debate on the issue, Coleman said. I'm confident that the advocates of 'no significant effect from carbon dioxide' would win the case. Click here to watch video of Coleman on Fox and Friends. Coleman says his side of the global-warming debate is being buried in mainstream media circles. RelatedStories NOAA: Coolest Winter Since 2001, but Still Warmer Than Usual Study: Global Warming May Weaken Transport Infrastructure Green Groups Sue Government Over Polar Bears Southern Baptist Leaders Issue Surprising Call to Fight Climate Change Two Dozen World Cities Will Go Dark for Global Warming Awareness Video Climate Debate As you look at the atmosphere over the last 25 years, there's been perhaps a degree of warming, perhaps probably a whole lot less than that, and the last year has been so cold that that's been erased, he said. I think if we continue the cooling trend a couple of more years, the general public will at last begin to realize that they've been scammed on this global-warming thing. Click here to visit FOXNews.com's Natural Science Center. Coleman spoke to FOXNews.com after his appearance last week at the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change in New York, where he called global warming a scam and lambasted the cable network he helped create. You want to tune to the Weather Channel and have them tell you how to live your life? Coleman said. Come on. He laments the network's decision to focus on traffic and lifestyle reports over the weather. It's very clear that they don't realize that weather is the most significant impact in every human being's daily life, and good, solid, up-to-the-minute weather information and meaningful forecasts presented in such a way that people find them understandable and enjoyable can have a significant impact, he said. The more you cloud that up with other baloney, the weaker the product, he said. Coleman has long been a skeptic of global warming, and carbon dioxide is the linchpin to his argument. Does carbon dioxide cause a warming of the atmosphere? The proponents of global warming pin their whole piece on that, he said. The compound carbon dioxide makes up only 38 out of every 100,000 particles in the atmosphere, he said. That's about twice as what there were in the atmosphere in the time we started burning fossil fuels, so it's gone up, but it's still a tiny compound, Coleman said. So how can that tiny trace compound have such a significant effect on temperature? My position is it can't, he continued. It doesn't, and the whole case for global warming is based on a fallacy. Click here for John Coleman's briefs on global warming.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle
Curtis, Note that when I get all silly-assed and shooting from the hip at you, you sometimes lose the very sense of humor I so much appreciate about you. It was only a toy shotgun shooting plush bullets. Ya protesteth tooeth mucheth me thinketh. I don't believe in a personal God that should be prayed to, nor do I think any religion on Earth has a dogma that's robust enough to capture all truths about spirit, or that any religion has a way to transform the masses with very much potency. Your atheism doesn't bother me regarding those worlds of beliefs. But, my truth is that prayers are good actions for a nervous system, and that dogmas can keep folks intellectually trucking along in a very harsh world, and if prayers and dogmas were abandoned by the masses then from within that vacuum something else would manifest -- and I'll take the devil I do know rather than hope that the masses will come up with a perfectly egalitarian democratic system of maintaining mental health and evolution. Until such, we need to fight the good fight on every street corner to assuage the abuse of major religions. As much violence that has been created by the major religions, I would keep them until something much better can be offered to the world. I don't want Bush to die if we get Cheney, see? Keep the real Pope until we get the real Poop. The better religion for the New Age could be something like a bio-feedback machine that enlightens one -- Scientology certainly tried to invent such a machine, right? Then there's Wilhelm Reich orgone box, etc. There are many products and techniques out there that support my notion that enlightenment is a benign delusion that can be made into an all-time psychological reality by some mechanical method, and living in such a state may be philosophically acceptable in that to be human is to necessarily be an a state of some sort, so why not pick a good one? Study Advaita, and you'll see that the Buddhists have nothing to brag about when it comes to summing up creation as essentially non-sentient, voidish, and beyond concept, and certainly barren of any ego -- even the ego of God. So if you can remember that I espouse such a POV, maybe you won't be so eager to shove me into some TB mood-making blissninny category. I'm judgmental but not like they are. I claim no outside authority for my notions -- just that my morals feel right. Predation of any sort feels wrong to me, and I'm going to shout about iteven if I have to thorn/thorn someone and risk being exactly what I am railing about. The Absolute doesn't think, plan, manifest, etc. -- and that's as close as lying words can get to the truth -- even Brahma couldn't fathom the root of His lotus, and the only prayer I would pray to Brahma is Tell me about Your Roots! Only by leaping out of all possible boxes-of-thinking does one BECOME the answer instead of receiving the answer. But I think there IS that answer, and you don't seem to think so. Aren't you depressed? I think that you deny the Absolute -- THAT'S my problem with you. When you deny that there's an eternal aspect that is the primal truth that may never be understood or realized by human brains but is there nontheless -- THAT'S my problem with you. You toss out every baby from every bathwater. Do you think you've really obtained the clarity about this issue? Your lack of humor about when I pull your chain seems to be a tell that you are on shaky grounds and must amp up the 'tude when I challenge you -- as if bristling were a proof that your conclusions are sound. Of course, I am a great chain puller, so you can be forgiven somewhat for any snarling at me, but don't you agree that I ever-so-nicely jammed a lot of religious terms into my description of you? I thought it was a hoot! Since I've been guilty of logic-shenanigans also, I understand your knee jerks and rationalizations from a hale-brother-well-met POV, but at least look at what your arguments are concerning the nature of divinity and what giant minds of the past have done to advance subtle thought about that concept. Traditionally, great thinkers have taken the concept VERY seriously and not tossed the possibility of divinity aside out of hand. You may be much smarter than me, and if so, then read Ramana Maharishi's Talks and tell me where I'm wrong to go with the truths he espouses even if I cannot fully experience those truths myself. His logic, his matrix, all seems consistent. There's no red flags in his presentation. Tell me if you think I'm wrong about his statements. I don't think you've explored what a delusive belief might mean in terms of the raw transactions of chemicals and messages in a nervous system. God in most brains on Earth is a triggering symbol that folks use to create other kinds of buzzing in their brains. As such, it's very useful, eh? Better than a Xanax, right? Playing music is better than playing opium, but the goal remains the same: finding peace. The masses
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anybody get the ledger today...?
Re: Anybody get the ledger today...? Re: Anybody get the ledger today...? Oh it's not too bad. I'm rather hard on myself...It's worse with my musical recordings. Here's my letter withOUT the typoIt said they've disliked I meant they're disliked Don't Shut Out the North Side of Town. To The editor: A response to Sabrina Ecklund's and Wilda Hadley's letter Fairfield can survive without M.U.M. I'm not from here and I'm not a TM'er. I've been here five years and love it. But no town is perfect. I've heard TM'ers say that they're disliked out of ignorance. Maybe there'd be less ignorance if there were less secrecy. The sentiment expressed by Sabrina and Wilda is no accident. On the other hand, why would anyone rather live in a town without 20 good restaurants, an unusually high number of world class musicians and artists and a list of community events that towns this big usually don't have. Judge and shut out all the people involved in the goings on north of town and you're missing out on some awesome people. I love Fairfield's townies and ru's and feel priviledged to be here. Ed Raines, Fairfield--- In--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How bad is the typo? --- Mr. Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course my letter has a GODDAMN TYPO in it. I can't write 4 sentences without [EMAIL PROTECTED] up somethin'.(Shit!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Ed the_edvark@ wrote: Hey Rick..they ran mine tooRight underneath yours. It was just a couple sentences..but I'm pleased.anyhoo.rock on.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: It's out. My former neighbor (non-meditator) called to congratulate me. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...
Thanks for the clarification, Zoran. This sort of Kremlinology is how I expect to derive much entertainment in these post-Maharishi days. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gillam wrote: Sorry, Zoran, but your suggestion is a bit too coy for my simple perception. What would I see in the pictures from Maharishi's funeral? Thanks. There are two movements in the movement: American/European one (rajas) and Indian one (Maharishi's family - Shrivastavas, Girish Varma, Nand Kishore etc.) Maaharishi's family has shown during funeral who is with them and whom they are supporting. Indian part of movement was always dragging money from westerners and spending it in India on various things. They are expecting that this will continue, but Maharishi is not there any more to collect such amounts from westerners and forward it to India. Confrontation between those two movements is inevitable. In that light you should analyze this suggestion that Nand Kishore should be Maaharishi's successor.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Dress Code Relaxed
--- Rick Archer wrote: MUM just relaxed the dress code. Back in Mallorca, MMY said that initiators should throw all their blue jeans in the ocean. And of course, initiators had to cut their hair, not grow beards, etc. This became Movement policy and has been enforced at MUM since its founding. If you showed up at the dome with black jeans on, you were admitted. If the jeans were blue, you were turned away. The policy was just dramatically relaxed. Now students can wear blue jeans, grow their hair and beards, even dye their hair, as long as they use natural colors (i.e., not green or purple). Excessive body piercings are not allowed, but discreet earrings on men are OK. The policy change came from Bevan and John, when it was brought to their attention that the dress code was dissuading potential students from joining the environmental sciences program, which now has 50 participants and is doubling every year. I doubt it would have happened if MMY were still alive. When Bevan succeeded Larry Domash as MIU president, one of the first things His Bevanness did was to relax the dress code at breakfast. He let people come in their dome clothes. Previously, we had to be in clothes that conformed to the dress code.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Santa Barbara's Independent: His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The author of this article, James Powell, is quite a character. I was on an ATR with him in 1975. Nice guy. Very funny. --- Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.independent.com/news/2008/mar/13/his-holiness- maharishi-mahesh-yogi-1911-- 2008/http://www.independent.com/news/2008/mar/13/his-holiness- maharishi-mahesh-yogi-1911--2008/ Photo: Al Bourdet His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 1911*- 2008 Thursday, March 13, 2008 By James Powell The first time I met Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was in Malibu, on the beach. It was a typical summer day in Southern California. Not much was happening. There was a south swell. From time to time a sun worshiper atop a towel would flip over, a seagull would sail off into the fog, or a large set of waves would come crashing in. As I recall, I stood on the beach with some of my surfing buddies. We were probably dressed in the surfer's uniform of the era: corduroy pants and white Penney's T-shirts covered by Pendeltons, not tucked in. Unlike most surfers on most beaches that day, however, we each held in our hands a bouquet of flowers. Suddenly cars arrived. Doors were flung open. A cameraman emerged, and next some guys in suits. A brown, sandaled foot from within the car could be seen feeling for the ground, and then - bearded and wearing a long, flowing, white dhoti - an Indian man stepped out onto the dirt road. He seemed enveloped in a nimbus of such serenity and light that, seeing him, the effect was similar to what one feels deep in a canyon before dawn, when suddenly the sun bursts over the rim. With the camera now trained on us - the surfer-boy extras in a documentary film - Maharishi approached, clearly enjoying the eternity in each step as he floated across the sand. As he drew near, something happened that I was not at all prepared for. My soul began to swoon. In place of the crashing of the waves, which now seemed far in the distance, was an immensely beautiful sea of silent consciousness. It was, to put it mildly, simply adorable. Lost in it, I could neither speak nor move. When Maharishi tugged on my flowers, I was unable to release my grip. He looked into my eyes, touched my hand, and my fingers opened. It would be impossible to forget the blithe beauty of those eyes. He looked into each of ours, playfully. After accepting our flowers he looked out to sea, and then, regarding us again and smiling like the happiest man on earth, he asked, Are you enjoying the ocean? one of the best articles I've read on Maharishi-- captures his essence so gently without going into the writer's agenda or trotting out M's resume.
[FairfieldLife] This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how many delegates he has. - from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub OPINION Obama and the Minister By RONALD KESSLER March 14, 2008; Page A19 In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president. The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006. Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright We've got more black men in prison than there are in college, he began. Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body. Mr. Wright thundered on: America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . We care nothing about human life if the end justifies the means. . . . Concluding, Mr. Wright said: We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . . Considering this view of America, it's not surprising that in December Mr. Wright's church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan for lifetime achievement. In the church magazine, Trumpet, Mr. Wright spoke glowingly of the Nation of Islam leader. His depth on analysis [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye-opening, Mr. Wright said of Mr. Farrakhan. He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest. After Newsmax broke the story of the award to Farrakhan on Jan. 14, Mr. Obama issued a statement. However, Mr. Obama ignored the main point: that his minister and friend had spoken adoringly of Mr. Farrakhan, and that Mr. Wright's church was behind the award to the Nation of Islam leader. Instead, Mr. Obama said, I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan. I assume that Trumpet magazine made its own decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex- offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree. Trumpet is owned and produced by Mr. Wright's church out of the church's offices, and Mr. Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor. Meeting with Jewish leaders in Cleveland on Feb. 24, Mr. Obama described Mr. Wright as being like an old uncle who sometimes will say things that I don't agree with. He rarely mentions the points of disagreement. Mr. Obama went on to explain Mr. Wright's anti-Zionist statements as being rooted in his anger over the Jewish state's support for South Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. As with his previous claim that his church gave the award to Mr. Farrakhan because of his work with ex-offenders, Mr. Obama appears to have made that up. Neither the presentation of the award nor the Trumpet article about the award mentions ex-offenders, and Mr. Wright's statements denouncing Israel have not been qualified in any way. Mr. Obama nonetheless told the Jewish leaders that the award to Mr. Farrakhan showed a lack of sensitivity to the Jewish community. That is an understatement. As for Mr. Wright's repeated comments blaming America for the 9/11 attacks because of what Mr. Wright calls its racist and violent policies, Mr. Obama has said it sounds as if the minister was trying to be provocative. Hearing Mr. Wright's venomous and paranoid denunciations of this country, the vast majority of Americans would walk out. Instead, Mr. Obama and his wife Michelle have presumably sat through numerous similar sermons by Mr. Wright. Indeed, Mr. Obama has described Mr. Wright as his sounding board during the two decades he has known him. Mr. Obama has said he found religion through the minister in the 1980s. He joined
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is far more than just Sahaj Samadhi Meditat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samuel Gravina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip when you stop believing in evolution spiritual growth just doesn't have much appeal. Sam know whatcha mean-- I stopped believing in breathing. but I just can't quit dammit! its like its a natural process or something. next i'm putting my head in a plastic bag...
[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 14, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Back when Nabby was posting as lupidus108 and not hiding his IP address, he was posting from a chello.no IP. Chello.no is a Norwegian ISP. Behold, the power of lutefisk! Too much lye in the ludefisk could be part of the problem! Funny, I always took Nabby as a snooty Englishman since that's often how he comes across. no comment...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bonnie Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not think you have that right. I am not condeming anyone. I have my preferences and once of those is to engage in conversation where the energy isn't blasting back at meWasn't it MMY who said: speak the truth but speak the truth sweetly. Thats all..and I'm not going anywhere. This is fun ! :) Have a great evening. jai guru dev bonnie thanks for the response-- very sweet! Jai Guru Dev
RE: [FairfieldLife] This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
It’s already all over the news and doesn’t seem to be getting much traction. Obama will probably have to distance himself further from the guy. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
Politicians have used this trick forever. Tie a lead to the statements of someone who supports him and drag them along in the dirt til they stop movin. Too bad the Dems didn't tie Bush to the Klan or the Father of the Killers of Ryan White in Laramie WY. ...Might not have helped. Like the Greeks once noted---what good is Democracy if your bread n circus oriented populace is largely happily uniformed. The Right is watching the Hillary/Barack War and diggin it. I worry those precious few who haven't already made up their minds might start seeing those 'Solid Republican's' and see safety from the chaos of the volatile, multifarious democratsand now I'm pontificating...anyhoo.I MISS JOHN EDWARDS! :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how many delegates he has. - from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub OPINION Obama and the Minister By RONALD KESSLER March 14, 2008; Page A19 In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president. The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006. Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright We've got more black men in prison than there are in college, he began. Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body. Mr. Wright thundered on: America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . We care nothing about human life if the end justifies the means. . . . Concluding, Mr. Wright said: We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . . Considering this view of America, it's not surprising that in December Mr. Wright's church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan for lifetime achievement. In the church magazine, Trumpet, Mr. Wright spoke glowingly of the Nation of Islam leader. His depth on analysis [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye-opening, Mr. Wright said of Mr. Farrakhan. He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest. After Newsmax broke the story of the award to Farrakhan on Jan. 14, Mr. Obama issued a statement. However, Mr. Obama ignored the main point: that his minister and friend had spoken adoringly of Mr. Farrakhan, and that Mr. Wright's church was behind the award to the Nation of Islam leader. Instead, Mr. Obama said, I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan. I assume that Trumpet magazine made its own decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex- offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree. Trumpet is owned and produced by Mr. Wright's church out of the church's offices, and Mr. Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor. Meeting with Jewish leaders in Cleveland on Feb. 24, Mr. Obama described Mr. Wright as being like an old uncle who sometimes will say things that I don't agree with. He rarely mentions the points of disagreement. Mr. Obama went on to explain Mr. Wright's anti-Zionist statements as being rooted in his anger over the Jewish state's support for South Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. As with his previous claim that his church gave the award to Mr. Farrakhan because of his work with ex-offenders, Mr. Obama appears to have made that up. Neither the presentation of the award nor the Trumpet article about the award
[FairfieldLife] Mr. Harple is a pathetic idealist?
http://harple.com/weblog/ I'm just back from the launch of our new mobile-web geo-social networking lifestyle application and platform, beep, in Barcelona at the Mobile World Congress. I have to say, after two years of woodshedding, working in stealth, designing, building a new team, testing, iterating, raising capital, going to public beta, followed by the Barcelona launch of beep, the ambiguity started transforming itself. What we thought all along, beep is cool and useful, also resonated in Barcelona; with partners, analysts, press, and most importantly, people who use it. We got a dose of clarity. Thanks to all !!!
[FairfieldLife] Global warming is a scam
http://media.kusi.clickability.com/documents/Comments+on+Global+Warming1 .pdf
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr. Ed Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:34 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama I MISS JOHN EDWARDS! :) --- Maybe we’ll get him as VP. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama I like ron paul
I still like Ron Paul -Original Message- From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:40 am Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr. Ed Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:34 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama I MISS JOHN EDWARDS! :) --- Maybe we’ll get him as VP. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM
[FairfieldLife] It's over for Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Politicians have used this trick forever. Tie a lead to the statements of someone who supports him and drag them along in the dirt til they stop movin. Too bad the Dems didn't tie Bush to the Klan or the Father of the Killers of Ryan White in Laramie WY. The big difference here, Mr. Ed, is that Bush wasn't a member of the Klan nor was he associated with the killers of Ryan White. Obama is not just associated with Wright, he has been a very instrumental part of his life for the past 20 years apparently. And, no, it's simply NOT going to be enough to say: I disassociate myself from Wright and his remarks. For goodness sake's, Obama has been going to this guy's Church for so, so many years. This reflects on his judgement in a way that so seriously calls into question his ability to be president if he could go to such a man's church for so long and have such an influence on his life (according to Obama himself). The Democratic Party simply will NOT let this stand. I would even suspect that many, many committed Obama delegates won't vote for him at the convention. He's toast and Hillary is the candidate. ...Might not have helped. Like the Greeks once noted---what good is Democracy if your bread n circus oriented populace is largely happily uniformed. The Right is watching the Hillary/Barack War and diggin it. I worry those precious few who haven't already made up their minds might start seeing those 'Solid Republican's' and see safety from the chaos of the volatile, multifarious democratsand now I'm pontificating...anyhoo.I MISS JOHN EDWARDS! :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how many delegates he has. - from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub OPINION Obama and the Minister By RONALD KESSLER March 14, 2008; Page A19 In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president. The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006. Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright We've got more black men in prison than there are in college, he began. Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body. Mr. Wright thundered on: America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . We care nothing about human life if the end justifies the means. . . . Concluding, Mr. Wright said: We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . . Considering this view of America, it's not surprising that in December Mr. Wright's church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan for lifetime achievement. In the church magazine, Trumpet, Mr. Wright spoke glowingly of the Nation of Islam leader. His depth on analysis [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye-opening, Mr. Wright said of Mr. Farrakhan. He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest. After Newsmax broke the story of the award to Farrakhan on Jan. 14, Mr. Obama issued a statement. However, Mr. Obama ignored the main point: that his minister and friend had spoken adoringly of Mr. Farrakhan, and that Mr. Wright's church was behind the award to the Nation of Islam leader. Instead, Mr. Obama said, I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's already all over the news and doesn't seem to be getting much traction. Obama will probably have to distance himself further from the guy. Not gonna work and I'll tell you why. It's one thing to READ this Wright character's words, as we did in the article. It's quite another to actually HEAR him say them, which I just did on a talk radio show. It is truly frightening and far, FAR more impactful than the written word. We're talking hate-mongering, Nazi, Klan-like raving. And to have a president of the United States associated with this horrible stuff simply won't stand. Questions about how Obama could have been in the same church as this guy let alone PREACH to him are going to arise and there is simply nothing he is going to be able to say to overcome it. Democrats are thinking right now: if the Republicans put a slew of ads of this guy on TV or radio a week before the election, Obama won't even carry Illinois. And this wouldn't be swift-boat stuff either. It goes right to the heart of what has influenced Obama for years and his decision-making ability and all that. This is devastating stuff. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:18 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future... On Mar 14, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Back when Nabby was posting as lupidus108 and not hiding his IP address, he was posting from a chello.no IP. Chello.no is a Norwegian ISP. Behold, the power of lutefisk! Too much lye in the ludefisk could be part of the problem! Funny, I always took Nabby as a snooty Englishman since that's often how he comes across. I thought he was German, because of his fanatical tendencies. And I thought he was American because of his fondness for stereotypes :-) Geoff
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr. Ed Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:34 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama I MISS JOHN EDWARDS! :) --- Maybe we'll get him as VP. If he's not too busy channelling dead babies before juries in order to hoodlink them into getting him 10s of millions of dollars in ill- gotten lawyer fees... No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of coulsong2001 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:11 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future... Funny, I always took Nabby as a snooty Englishman since that's often how he comes across. I thought he was German, because of his fanatical tendencies. And I thought he was American because of his fondness for stereotypes :-) He’s the Universal Soldier. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's over for Obama
Funny, but I support Obama's preacher's words almost to the letter. And, given that for the first time in history we have an African American man as a possible candidate who has an actual chance to win the nom, I'd say that a hell of a lot of whites -- look at Bush's approval ratings -- are able to see the United States for the war mongering, war profiteering, private criminal enterprise that BushCo has created, and that Obama's preacher is just saying it like it is. If you want to stomp on Obama, here's some real meat and potatoes: consider his possible harmony with the goals of the Council of Foreign Relations. He may be listening to his preacher, but it seems he's being tutored by the CFR too. Don't know for sure; read this: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/150807CFR.htm Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Ed the_edvark@ wrote: Politicians have used this trick forever. Tie a lead to the statements of someone who supports him and drag them along in the dirt til they stop movin. Too bad the Dems didn't tie Bush to the Klan or the Father of the Killers of Ryan White in Laramie WY. The big difference here, Mr. Ed, is that Bush wasn't a member of the Klan nor was he associated with the killers of Ryan White. Obama is not just associated with Wright, he has been a very instrumental part of his life for the past 20 years apparently. And, no, it's simply NOT going to be enough to say: I disassociate myself from Wright and his remarks. For goodness sake's, Obama has been going to this guy's Church for so, so many years. This reflects on his judgement in a way that so seriously calls into question his ability to be president if he could go to such a man's church for so long and have such an influence on his life (according to Obama himself). The Democratic Party simply will NOT let this stand. I would even suspect that many, many committed Obama delegates won't vote for him at the convention. He's toast and Hillary is the candidate. ...Might not have helped. Like the Greeks once noted---what good is Democracy if your bread n circus oriented populace is largely happily uniformed. The Right is watching the Hillary/Barack War and diggin it. I worry those precious few who haven't already made up their minds might start seeing those 'Solid Republican's' and see safety from the chaos of the volatile, multifarious democratsand now I'm pontificating...anyhoo.I MISS JOHN EDWARDS! :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how many delegates he has. - from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub OPINION Obama and the Minister By RONALD KESSLER March 14, 2008; Page A19 In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president. The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006. Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright We've got more black men in prison than there are in college, he began. Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body. Mr. Wright thundered on: America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . We care nothing about human life if the end justifies the means. . . . Concluding, Mr. Wright said: We
[FairfieldLife] Hillary's been given a gift
It's not the Republicans that will take advantage of the Wright revelations because they'll never get a chance to. Hillary and Team Clinton will. And they'll use it BEFORE the convention to get delegates committed to Obama to change their minds. This thing is so huge that Team Clinton will use it in any way they can not to let Obama be the candidate and expose himself to this during a presidential election campaign. This is the tool that the Clintons can use to peddle their influence in every way possible to unseat Obama AND not be accused of being usurpers. This is the tool that the Clintons can use to instill the fear of God into all levels of the party...from Super Delegates to Howard Dean. It's over for Obama.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's over for Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny, but I support Obama's preacher's words almost to the letter. What better proof do the readers of FFL need to confirm my prediction that it is over for Obama: Duveyoung supports Obama's preacher almost to the letter. Yes, this is the ONLY demographic that will now support Obama: the Duveyoung Demographic, for lack of a better term. And that is why the Democratic Party will do everything in its power to not allow Obama to ascend to the nomination. It just can't if the only people to vote for him will be the Duveyoung's of the world (the nutcase demographic is 5% of the population at best). It's a losing proposition.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
every church has a freaky pastor - that's why I stay away from those places. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how many delegates he has. - from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub OPINION Obama and the Minister By RONALD KESSLER March 14, 2008; Page A19 In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president. The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006. Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright We've got more black men in prison than there are in college, he began. Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body. Mr. Wright thundered on: America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . We care nothing about human life if the end justifies the means. . . . Concluding, Mr. Wright said: We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . . Considering this view of America, it's not surprising that in December Mr. Wright's church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan for lifetime achievement. In the church magazine, Trumpet, Mr. Wright spoke glowingly of the Nation of Islam leader. His depth on analysis [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye-opening, Mr. Wright said of Mr. Farrakhan. He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest. After Newsmax broke the story of the award to Farrakhan on Jan. 14, Mr. Obama issued a statement. However, Mr. Obama ignored the main point: that his minister and friend had spoken adoringly of Mr. Farrakhan, and that Mr. Wright's church was behind the award to the Nation of Islam leader. Instead, Mr. Obama said, I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan. I assume that Trumpet magazine made its own decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex- offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree. Trumpet is owned and produced by Mr. Wright's church out of the church's offices, and Mr. Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor. Meeting with Jewish leaders in Cleveland on Feb. 24, Mr. Obama described Mr. Wright as being like an old uncle who sometimes will say things that I don't agree with. He rarely mentions the points of disagreement. Mr. Obama went on to explain Mr. Wright's anti-Zionist statements as being rooted in his anger over the Jewish state's support for South Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. As with his previous claim that his church gave the award to Mr. Farrakhan because of his work with ex-offenders, Mr. Obama appears to have made that up. Neither the presentation of the award nor the Trumpet article about the award mentions ex-offenders, and Mr. Wright's statements denouncing Israel have not been qualified in any way. Mr. Obama nonetheless told the Jewish leaders that the award to Mr. Farrakhan showed a lack of sensitivity to the Jewish community. That is an understatement. As for Mr. Wright's repeated comments blaming America for the 9/11 attacks because of what Mr. Wright calls its racist and violent policies, Mr. Obama has said it sounds as if the minister was trying to be provocative. Hearing Mr. Wright's venomous and paranoid denunciations of this country, the vast majority of Americans would walk out. Instead, Mr. Obama and his wife Michelle have
[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of coulsong2001 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:11 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future... Funny, I always took Nabby as a snooty Englishman since that's often how he comes across. I thought he was German, because of his fanatical tendencies. And I thought he was American because of his fondness for stereotypes :-) He's the Universal Soldier. Very good Rick, finally we can agree on something :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Technical Question - Burning DVDs
Rick Archer wrote: -Original Message- From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:53 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Technical Question - Burning DVDs You need to convert the MPEG-4 file to MPEG-2 which is what some DVD authoring software will do. There are free programs that will do the conversion but not the DVD authoring. Some DVD players can play MPEG-4 files if you put them on a data DVD or CD or memory stick. I don't know if you ever set up your network interface to your TV that you were asking about a while back but some of those can play MPEG-4 files. Haven’t set that up. Our player says on it that it plays MP3 and WMA. I'll try WillyTex's suggestion that I just drag the file to a DVD, and it that doesn't work, I'll try to find a conversion program. Those are audio file format. Lots of players can play those. Some can play Divx and WMV. Fewer can play MPEG-4 files and of those probably only very recent can play MPEG-4 AVC which is probably the codec used (also used for the Sony PSP). I may download the file and see since I have software that can tell me the codec. DVDs are a specific format which require IFO files for the menu and playing information and VOB files which are the MPEG-2 files remuxed. So for a regular DVD it would have to be converted to create these files. You might try the trial version of Ulead's DVD Movie Factory or their VideoStudio 11 Plus: www.ulead.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: San Francisco to be sprayed with pesticide
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiousity, if this is a cover-up in order to spray humans then why? Aren't there alot of gay people in San Franscisco? Perhaps Barfitu can come up with a conspiracy theory in which the pesticide company is owned by fundamentalist Christians and that the spray will remove the gayness from them. Actually it is a spray that has already been applied to you that makes you think you are an ex-Canuck living in Phoenix reading a Yahoo Group called Fairfield Life when actually you are in a cage pushing a button to get fed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
Marek, If the American electorate was as tolerate and kind hearted as you are and shared even 10% of your worldview and experience then, yes, I would agree with your well-reasoned and virtuous assessment below. But they don't. And Hillary and the Democratic Party realize this and know that this Minister Wright episode is beyond any justification to continue with what we all know (but don't necessary speak of in public) as this exercise in ultimate Affirmative Action that is the Barack Obama presidential run. Support him all you want if it makes you feel good. He just won't be president. And if you insist upon him becoming the nominee, you'll be stuck with another Republican for 4 years. Is that what you want? Hell, you guys can self-destruct all you want. It's not my country... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may be African American for all I know, though I doubt it. However, if you have ever had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of being Black in America, you would have a more charitable view of any Black American's frustration and fundamental anger with the racism that is still endemic in this country. And Barack Obama's unwillingness to condemn his minister for every intemperate remark, posited from a lifetime of prejudice, is more understandable. I'm privileged to work in the criminal justice system, at the same time I'm constantly reminded of just how little justice is afforded to a black as opposed to a white. Injustice is fundamental and it's ubiquitous. A case in point (and only one in a legion of examples): a couple of years ago I was appointed to represent a young black man from LA; he was the co-defendant in a drug case involving a significant amount of cocaine and there was a gun involved, too. The co-defendant was a young woman who lived here in Humboldt and her family had hired an excellent and expensive private attorney. After arraignment, a criminal defendant can request the Court to release him/her on their own recognisance, or if the Court isn't inclined to do that, to reduce their bail. In my client's matter, the Court refused both requests, but granted the co-defendant's motion to be released on her own recognisance, providing only that she be sure to come back to court when ordered to do so and obey all laws. In his pitch to the judge asking for her release, the attorney for the young white woman spoke openly about the fact that my client was from LA, a stranger to this county, and plainly insinuated that he was the nefarious, dark influence that had corrupted this young woman, and had even gotten her pregnant. He played up, and on, all the fears of LA gangs and drugs and violence being imported into Humboldt by this (black) gangster. However, the facts were plain, and were pointed out to the Court clearly: my client had come up to visit his girlfriend from LA, he had just arrived on the bus, and his bags were still unpacked in her apartment. It was the white girl who had the ongoing drug operation with all the indicia present both at her apartment and on her person, the money, the packaged drugs, the gun, the bookkeeping records -- everything. It was the white girl who had been stopped by the police while driving alone and in possession of cocaine packaged for sale and a loaded gun in her purse; my client was picked up several hours later and not even in the apartment where she had the rest of her operation. He had nothing on him to tie him to the crimes charged, except he was black man from LA. He had to bail out -- had to spend about $5000 to be released (money that is gone for good, never to get back) -- and the charges were later dropped against him because the facts were clear -- he had done nothing wrong. And this is just one example of a constant reality if you're black in America. A dear friend of mine, and a former girlfriend, a lawyer as well as a psychiatric nurse, and who is a dark skinned black, was married to a white man and lived in Southern California. One evening, less than 10 years ago, she was visiting with her husband's parents and, after a pleasant dinner, she walked with them to a light rail station to see them off as they were going back to their hotel. They stood and chatted in the balmy evening air for several minutes, waiting for their train to arrive and after they left, and as she was turning to walk away, she was accosted by two police officers and arrested for solicitation of prositution -- purely on the basis that she was a black woman speaking to a white couple and that 'fit' the profile of a prostitute in the cops' eyes. They didn't believe anything she told them and she was booked and released, and the case was later dropped after she hired a lawyer to represent
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video of TM Residence Course at the Outer Banks of NC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jwtrowbridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy, Here is a link to a residence course at the Outer Banks of NC. My wife and I were cooks. The video is from the cooks point of view. Steve http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2185415/6917737 Can you tell me about the nuts and bolts of these resident courses? This looks like a nice way to spend the weekend with like minded people. What do they cost? How are they advertised? Was that a private home? Do you need to be a certain level in the org? s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may be African American for all I know, though I doubt it. However, if you have ever had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of being Black in America, you would have a more charitable view of any Black American's frustration and fundamental anger with the racism that is still endemic in this country. And Barack Obama's unwillingness to condemn his minister for every intemperate remark, posited from a lifetime of prejudice, is more understandable. I'm privileged to work in the criminal justice system, at the same time I'm constantly reminded of just how little justice is afforded to a black as opposed to a white. Injustice is fundamental and it's ubiquitous. A case in point (and only one in a legion of examples): a couple of years ago I was appointed to represent a young black man from LA; he was the co-defendant in a drug case involving a significant amount of cocaine and there was a gun involved, too. The co-defendant was a young woman who lived here in Humboldt and her family had hired an excellent and expensive private attorney. After arraignment, a criminal defendant can request the Court to release him/her on their own recognisance, or if the Court isn't inclined to do that, to reduce their bail. In my client's matter, the Court refused both requests, but granted the co-defendant's motion to be released on her own recognisance, providing only that she be sure to come back to court when ordered to do so and obey all laws. In his pitch to the judge asking for her release, the attorney for the young white woman spoke openly about the fact that my client was from LA, a stranger to this county, and plainly insinuated that he was the nefarious, dark influence that had corrupted this young woman, and had even gotten her pregnant. He played up, and on, all the fears of LA gangs and drugs and violence being imported into Humboldt by this (black) gangster. However, the facts were plain, and were pointed out to the Court clearly: my client had come up to visit his girlfriend from LA, he had just arrived on the bus, and his bags were still unpacked in her apartment. It was the white girl who had the ongoing drug operation with all the indicia present both at her apartment and on her person, the money, the packaged drugs, the gun, the bookkeeping records -- everything. It was the white girl who had been stopped by the police while driving alone and in possession of cocaine packaged for sale and a loaded gun in her purse; my client was picked up several hours later and not even in the apartment where she had the rest of her operation. He had nothing on him to tie him to the crimes charged, except he was black man from LA. He had to bail out -- had to spend about $5000 to be released (money that is gone for good, never to get back) -- and the charges were later dropped against him because the facts were clear -- he had done nothing wrong. And this is just one example of a constant reality if you're black in America. A dear friend of mine, and a former girlfriend, a lawyer as well as a psychiatric nurse, and who is a dark skinned black, was married to a white man and lived in Southern California. One evening, less than 10 years ago, she was visiting with her husband's parents and, after a pleasant dinner, she walked with them to a light rail station to see them off as they were going back to their hotel. They stood and chatted in the balmy evening air for several minutes, waiting for their train to arrive and after they left, and as she was turning to walk away, she was accosted by two police officers and arrested for solicitation of prositution -- purely on the basis that she was a black woman speaking to a white couple and that 'fit' the profile of a prostitute in the cops' eyes. They didn't believe anything she told them and she was booked and released, and the case was later dropped after she hired a lawyer to represent her. She wasn't a lawyer at the time, but it was the impetus to become one. From what you post (below) and from the way you express yourself and your position, it's apparent to me that you have no idea what it's like to be Black in America. You can't even imagine how corrosive and how terrible it is to be faced with it every single day of your life, no matter what you've accomplished, no matter where you've been educated or how you've been raised. I'm sure you've heard this type of position before, and perhaps you believe you understand it; but I don't believe that's true. Compassion and the willingness to understand the suffering of others is a hallmark of enlightenment in my eyes and in my understanding. Please spend some time examining your willingness to discount centuries of persecution and imagine for a few moments what it would be like to have your soul be anonymous, no matter how hard you tried to reveal it; and to be judged and
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
Shemp, I think that most of the folks here agree with me. My blurbs about the sermons below in blue font. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how many delegates he has. - from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub OPINION Obama and the Minister By RONALD KESSLER March 14, 2008; Page A19 In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, This may not be true, but given the criminal operations of the FDA, I cannot rule out that the experiments in injecting people with monkey pus are scientific or capitalistic. I'm leaning towards capitalistic. training professional killers, The Blackwater Army is one example, as are the heinous acts of torture by our troops, and shooting down in cold blood a black man on his steps by a gang of police shooting dozens of bullets at an UNARMED MAN. Deny these things, and you'll just be Shemp doing that shit again to most here. importing drugs The opium growers of Afghanistan are openly acknowledged by BushCo as necessary evils to insure that we don't have to fight these warlords while searching of Bin Laden. And this is a old old story -- the poppy fields are never sprayed with poison by a quick strike from America for instance. and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president. When I was raised, my childhood history books never showed dead blacks in nooses, dead Native Americans, etc., nor was I ever prompted to examine what was the state of racial relationships in America. It took me DECADES to undo what my school, my parents, and my society did to empower me to hate black folks and feel superior. Read one modern book about Black History and you will have all the proof of state-sanctioned jackboots on the backs of African Americans' necks. The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006. Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright We've got more black men in prison than there are in college, he began. This was easy for white America to arrange via Makek's example recently posted and by the drug laws. There can be no question regarding the unfairness of how the courts treat black folks. Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. This is absolute truth. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body. Well, here he's wrong since Obama looks like he might pull it off. I think we have to thank BushCo for being so obviously criminal that to white Americans, even a black Muslim seems a change for the better. Mr. Wright thundered on: America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . So fucking true. We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . True. We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . True. We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. Don't know if America had any direct involvement in Mandela's imprisonment, but we sure didn't make it a political issue when dealing with the white racist government that jailed him. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. That's a very sad note that even black pride is being eroded -- or at the least black pride is being kept from fully emerging. His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . True. We allow Israel to have a 100 nukes, but the Palestinians are shot down like dogs if they merely have a sneer on their faces. We care nothing about human life if the end justifies the means. . . . Raw, real, carnage is called patriotic when it is merely profiteering. Concluding, Mr. Wright said: We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . . Very true. 25% of the world lives on less than a single dollar per day, and America hasn't done jackshit to assuage it except for propaganda purposes to show that white Americans have heart. Considering this view of America, it's not surprising that in December Mr. Wright's church gave an award to Louis
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
How many American agree with minister Wright? How many people in this chat room agree with him? I may not agree 100% but I agree with about 95% of what he says in the printed speach. Do I think George Bush conspired to and helped to plan 9/11 YES. Do I think AMerica iver supports Israel and under support any of the other countries of that region YES. DO I think that African American people need self empowerment? YES is that the same as saying WHITE EMPOWERMENT no not at all, why? Because African AMerican's have had to come back from and reprogram the effect of Slavery and the Jim Crow South WHite americans have not. The people who spoke about White Empowerment in the US have done so at the expense of others. Particularly the American Black men and women. The Slave The Nigger and the fact that this is the case calls for stronger languages from African AMericans. Is the African American correct in claiming that the WHite AMerican is Racist. As a general statement it is as correct as the Jew saying that ALl Natzis hate Jews. When whipping is a trained behavior and not a obtained one it should be easy to understand why some one might say the Empowerment of ourselves as Africans in America. How many people here are sick of movies about the Holocaust?I am yet for Jews they will make a new movie every year about it in order to make sure that it does not happen again. Yet for a Black man to discuss the racism, torture and absolute insanity of the American SLave trade this is considered reverse racism. There is genetically engineered food, animals given all kinds of drugs hormones and othe chemicals, water with drugs in it. Why would anyone find it antagonistic for someone to think the US manufactured the Aids Virus? In 2001 George Bush either allowed or enacted the attacks of 9/11 which killed more than 3000 people. He attacked Afganistan and in 2003 attacked Iraq and neither country, neither attack has lead to the capture of the person they claim /US GOV caused 9/11. So why is it a problem for the man to state the truth. AM I anti Semetic? NO but am I anti monopolization of the banking system ? Yes, DO I feel like Israel is truly the land of Jews ? only because some body said so. So why is this a problem Has anyone here ever used or Heard the word Schwartza? Have AIonist ever done anything questionable? Is any kind of Manipulative monopolization a problem I believe YES A BIG PROBLEM Is this anti Semetic? I believe not. It is like saying no I do not want you to pull my pants down and put that butter on my A-hole does that make me some negative radical element? I hope not. Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: every church has a freaky pastor - that's why I stay away from those places. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk wrote: If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how many delegates he has. - from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub OPINION Obama and the Minister By RONALD KESSLER March 14, 2008; Page A19 In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president. The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006. Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright We've got more black men in prison than there are in college, he began. Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body. Mr. Wright thundered on: America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . We care nothing about human life if the end justifies the means.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's over for Obama
The First Amendement applies to what? THere is only one truth that he says that I hope has changed. Even from 2006 to 2008 change is possible so I pray that the fact that AMerica would never elect and African AMerican President is not true. That in this time it can and will. Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny, but I support Obama's preacher's words almost to the letter. And, given that for the first time in history we have an African American man as a possible candidate who has an actual chance to win the nom, I'd say that a hell of a lot of whites -- look at Bush's approval ratings -- are able to see the United States for the war mongering, war profiteering, private criminal enterprise that BushCo has created, and that Obama's preacher is just saying it like it is. If you want to stomp on Obama, here's some real meat and potatoes: consider his possible harmony with the goals of the Council of Foreign Relations. He may be listening to his preacher, but it seems he's being tutored by the CFR too. Don't know for sure; read this: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/150807CFR.htm Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Ed wrote: Politicians have used this trick forever. Tie a lead to the statements of someone who supports him and drag them along in the dirt til they stop movin. Too bad the Dems didn't tie Bush to the Klan or the Father of the Killers of Ryan White in Laramie WY. The big difference here, Mr. Ed, is that Bush wasn't a member of the Klan nor was he associated with the killers of Ryan White. Obama is not just associated with Wright, he has been a very instrumental part of his life for the past 20 years apparently. And, no, it's simply NOT going to be enough to say: I disassociate myself from Wright and his remarks. For goodness sake's, Obama has been going to this guy's Church for so, so many years. This reflects on his judgement in a way that so seriously calls into question his ability to be president if he could go to such a man's church for so long and have such an influence on his life (according to Obama himself). The Democratic Party simply will NOT let this stand. I would even suspect that many, many committed Obama delegates won't vote for him at the convention. He's toast and Hillary is the candidate. ...Might not have helped. Like the Greeks once noted---what good is Democracy if your bread n circus oriented populace is largely happily uniformed. The Right is watching the Hillary/Barack War and diggin it. I worry those precious few who haven't already made up their minds might start seeing those 'Solid Republican's' and see safety from the chaos of the volatile, multifarious democratsand now I'm pontificating...anyhoo.I MISS JOHN EDWARDS! :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk wrote: If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how many delegates he has. - from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub OPINION Obama and the Minister By RONALD KESSLER March 14, 2008; Page A19 In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president. The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006. Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright We've got more black men in prison than there are in college, he began. Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body. Mr. Wright thundered on: America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. His voice rising, Mr. Wright said,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Nandikeeshore should be the Guru after MMY!
Hi Zoran and other thinkers, Many of your observations are good but I think there are not only two movements within the TMO - there are many and they will manifest as the days go by. Re money going into India from the west: That is probably true but the real question is where do the money go in India? To projects or into certain people's pockets? Well, we may never know. It depends on who has access to the accounts. And we can only guess. I percieve Nandkeeshore as a representative of the spiritual aspect of the movement. He is a yogi whereas the other people are administrators, organizational power-freaks or clowns dressed in robes and crowns. If N was on top of it might attract some good people (like myself... ho ho) back into the movement. Love to all BL Zoran Krneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two movements in the movement: American/European one (rajas) and Indian one (Maharishi's family - Shrivastavas, Girish Varma, Nand Kishore etc.) Maaharishi's family has shown during funeral who is with them and whom they are supporting. Indian part of movement was always dragging money from westerners and spending it in India on various things. They are expecting that this will continue, but Maharishi is not there any more to collect such amounts from westerners and forward it to India. Confrontation between those two movements is inevitable. In that light you should analyze this suggestion that Nand Kishore should be Maaharishi's successor. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
Right on, Marek. Just to be born black in America is tantamount to child abuse--you have to add nothing else into the mix. And yet, the mix inevitably gets muddier since we know two interrelated things: 1. the abused take on the values of the abuser 2. child abuse tends to be passed on generation to generation. Even people who think they are not prejudiced suddenly get that way, or they are unaware of their own prejudices. I saw this again and again with my black daughter's teachers all through her schooling. It was subtle and therefore powerful. It was daily and it wore her down. It was heartbreaking to watch her kind of give up on herself because of it and deny her own intelligence and inborn talent. And it wasn't just the teachers. She was surrounded by white boys who openly saw her as dark meat to be tasted for the hell of it. I remember a situation in which I was teaching eighth grade in a town in which another young black man allegedly committed suicide in the town jail every other week. The school had a track program. Track one was for A students and all of them were white. Track two was for B students and all of them were white. Track three was for C students and all of them were white. I taught a track four eighth grade class and had a student who was absolutely brilliant. I told the principal she belonged in a track one class. He refused on the grounds that she wasn't intelligent enough. I arranged to have a paper of hers passed off as a freshman writing assignment in college. The paper got an A+ and raves from the professor. When I presented this evidence to the principal, he put her in one of my track two classes, but she begged to be put back in the other class after a week because she couldn't take the abuse she got from the white kids and from her other teachers who were all white. When she was ready to go to college, I asked what she would want to do professionally, and she said she might try for nurse's aide. I said, Sandy, you'd do well in anybody medical school. But she could not bring herself to go for it after twelve years of white schooling had beaten her down. My first husband had risked his life to help integrate restaurants in Lousiville, Ky in the early sixties. When, in the early seventies and after our divorce I dated a black man, he sued me for custody of our daughter because he could not bear the thought of a black step-daddy for her. My lawyer told me he'd win and advised me to run to another state and hide. Let him find you and then let him extradite you, he said. It is difficult to imagine how racist America is until you see the thing daily. I agree completely that compassion is part and parcel of enlightenment. Compassion is understanding. --- Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may be African American for all I know, though I doubt it. However, if you have ever had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of being Black in America, you would have a more charitable view of any Black American's frustration and fundamental anger with the racism that is still endemic in this country. And Barack Obama's unwillingness to condemn his minister for every intemperate remark, posited from a lifetime of prejudice, is more understandable. I'm privileged to work in the criminal justice system, at the same time I'm constantly reminded of just how little justice is afforded to a black as opposed to a white. Injustice is fundamental and it's ubiquitous. A case in point (and only one in a legion of examples): a couple of years ago I was appointed to represent a young black man from LA; he was the co-defendant in a drug case involving a significant amount of cocaine and there was a gun involved, too. The co-defendant was a young woman who lived here in Humboldt and her family had hired an excellent and expensive private attorney. After arraignment, a criminal defendant can request the Court to release him/her on their own recognisance, or if the Court isn't inclined to do that, to reduce their bail. In my client's matter, the Court refused both requests, but granted the co-defendant's motion to be released on her own recognisance, providing only that she be sure to come back to court when ordered to do so and obey all laws. In his pitch to the judge asking for her release, the attorney for the young white woman spoke openly about the fact that my client was from LA, a stranger to this county, and plainly insinuated that he was the nefarious, dark influence that had corrupted this young woman, and had even gotten her pregnant. He played up, and on, all the fears of LA gangs and drugs and violence being imported into Humboldt by this (black) gangster. However, the facts were plain, and were pointed out to the Court clearly: my client had come up to visit his girlfriend from
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
Shemp I agree with you 100% Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, I think that most of the folks here agree with me. My blurbs about the sermons below in blue font. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how many delegates he has. - from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub OPINION Obama and the Minister By RONALD KESSLER March 14, 2008; Page A19 In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, This may not be true, but given the criminal operations of the FDA, I cannot rule out that the experiments in injecting people with monkey pus are scientific or capitalistic. I'm leaning towards capitalistic. training professional killers, The Blackwater Army is one example, as are the heinous acts of torture by our troops, and shooting down in cold blood a black man on his steps by a gang of police shooting dozens of bullets at an UNARMED MAN. Deny these things, and you'll just be Shemp doing that shit again to most here. importing drugs The opium growers of Afghanistan are openly acknowledged by BushCo as necessary evils to insure that we don't have to fight these warlords while searching of Bin Laden. And this is a old old story -- the poppy fields are never sprayed with poison by a quick strike from America for instance. and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president. When I was raised, my childhood history books never showed dead blacks in nooses, dead Native Americans, etc., nor was I ever prompted to examine what was the state of racial relationships in America. It took me DECADES to undo what my school, my parents, and my society did to empower me to hate black folks and feel superior. Read one modern book about Black History and you will have all the proof of state-sanctioned jackboots on the backs of African Americans' necks. The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006. Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright We've got more black men in prison than there are in college, he began. This was easy for white America to arrange via Makek's example recently posted and by the drug laws. There can be no question regarding the unfairness of how the courts treat black folks. Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. This is absolute truth. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body. Well, here he's wrong since Obama looks like he might pull it off. I think we have to thank BushCo for being so obviously criminal that to white Americans, even a black Muslim seems a change for the better. Mr. Wright thundered on: America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . So fucking true. We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . True. We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . True. We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. Don't know if America had any direct involvement in Mandela's imprisonment, but we sure didn't make it a political issue when dealing with the white racist government that jailed him. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. That's a very sad note that even black pride is being eroded -- or at the least black pride is being kept from fully emerging. His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . True. We allow Israel to have a 100 nukes, but the Palestinians are shot down like dogs if they merely have a sneer on their faces. We care nothing about human life if the end justifies the means. . . . Raw, real, carnage is called patriotic when it is merely profiteering. Concluding, Mr. Wright said: We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . . Very true. 25% of the world lives on less than a single dollar per day, and America hasn't done jackshit to assuage it except for propaganda purposes to show that white
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may be African American for all I know, though I doubt it. However, if you have ever had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of being Black in America, you would have a more charitable view of any Black American's frustration and fundamental anger with the racism that is still endemic in this country. And Barack Obama's unwillingness to condemn his minister for every intemperate remark, posited from a lifetime of prejudice, is more understandable. Marek, the trouble is that few white voters in this country *have* had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of being Black in America, and a lot of them are going to react exactly as Shemp does. So Shemp is quite right to say Wright's tirade is a BIG problem for Obama. Moreover, it demolishes the notion that Obama is a post-racial candidate. If he denounces what his pastor said, he's denying the validity of the very complaints that you're arguing are fully justified. And if he defends Wright's remarks, then he's thrusting the matter of his race front and center in the campaign. How Obama ever imagined he could sit and listen to his pastor's sermons for 20 years and still conduct a campaign in which his race wouldn't become an issue is a huge mystery. How could he not realize Wright's tirades would become public knowledge and be thrown back in his face, forcing him either to acknowledge their validity and thereby confront America's racism head-on, or to reject them and deny what blacks still have to face every day? Just this appalling lack of judgment on Obama's part is enough to cast serious doubt on his qualifications to be president. He thought he could sneak through the minefield of race when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face. The awful reality of racism in America can't be made less tragic by pretending it doesn't exist.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
Right on Dove. Add to this the fact that many young black men in a ghetto have a basic choice: work for less than minimum wage or deal drugs. When i was teaching in the black community, under the first bush, many, many parents asked me, Why is Bush bringing in drugs for our children? And he was. The guy overseeing that operation was Theodore Shaklee who was also behind the Iran-Contra affair--Olly was just the fall-guy. What could I say to those parents, but the truth: To destroy your community. As for the AIDS virus, I do not know the facts, but it is rumored widely in the world that it was bio-engineered by America to depopulate Africa. In China, everyone I knew believed a Russian scientist who claimed that the SARS virus was bio-engineered. Who would have done that was the immediate question. And America was the immediate answer. I haven't researched this as I have other crimes, but it would fit the general M.O. and the ever-present motive. --- Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, I think that most of the folks here agree with me. My blurbs about the sermons below in blue font. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how many delegates he has. - from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub OPINION Obama and the Minister By RONALD KESSLER March 14, 2008; Page A19 In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, This may not be true, but given the criminal operations of the FDA, I cannot rule out that the experiments in injecting people with monkey pus are scientific or capitalistic. I'm leaning towards capitalistic. training professional killers, The Blackwater Army is one example, as are the heinous acts of torture by our troops, and shooting down in cold blood a black man on his steps by a gang of police shooting dozens of bullets at an UNARMED MAN. Deny these things, and you'll just be Shemp doing that shit again to most here. importing drugs The opium growers of Afghanistan are openly acknowledged by BushCo as necessary evils to insure that we don't have to fight these warlords while searching of Bin Laden. And this is a old old story -- the poppy fields are never sprayed with poison by a quick strike from America for instance. and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president. When I was raised, my childhood history books never showed dead blacks in nooses, dead Native Americans, etc., nor was I ever prompted to examine what was the state of racial relationships in America. It took me DECADES to undo what my school, my parents, and my society did to empower me to hate black folks and feel superior. Read one modern book about Black History and you will have all the proof of state-sanctioned jackboots on the backs of African Americans' necks. The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006. Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright We've got more black men in prison than there are in college, he began. This was easy for white America to arrange via Makek's example recently posted and by the drug laws. There can be no question regarding the unfairness of how the courts treat black folks. Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. This is absolute truth. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body. Well, here he's wrong since Obama looks like he might pull it off. I think we have to thank BushCo for being so obviously criminal that to white Americans, even a black Muslim seems a change for the better. Mr. Wright thundered on: America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . So fucking true. We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . True. We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . True. We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. Don't know if America had any direct involvement in Mandela's imprisonment, but we sure didn't make it a political issue when dealing with the white racist government that jailed him. We
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
Obama just has to get whites who support him to come out and address these issues from the point of view of a supporter. Thank God the only things they can come up with are what other people have done and said. Bill CLinton won the election in 92 with Jennifer Flowers being about him not about what someone else did. He won in 1996 with Monica Lewinsky and his moral judgement being major issues about HIM not about his minister. Barak should be held accountable to the same standar that we hold whites. However if it was ok for Blacks to have self empowerment yesterday it should not change just because one of them has had the audacity to challenge a truth that has absolutely no basis in reality. It is true that there has never been an African American elected to President of the UNited States. Yet he has challenged that in part due to the Esteem he may have aquired in his church. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis wrote: Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may be African American for all I know, though I doubt it. However, if you have ever had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of being Black in America, you would have a more charitable view of any Black American's frustration and fundamental anger with the racism that is still endemic in this country. And Barack Obama's unwillingness to condemn his minister for every intemperate remark, posited from a lifetime of prejudice, is more understandable. Marek, the trouble is that few white voters in this country *have* had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of being Black in America, and a lot of them are going to react exactly as Shemp does. So Shemp is quite right to say Wright's tirade is a BIG problem for Obama. Moreover, it demolishes the notion that Obama is a post-racial candidate. If he denounces what his pastor said, he's denying the validity of the very complaints that you're arguing are fully justified. And if he defends Wright's remarks, then he's thrusting the matter of his race front and center in the campaign. How Obama ever imagined he could sit and listen to his pastor's sermons for 20 years and still conduct a campaign in which his race wouldn't become an issue is a huge mystery. How could he not realize Wright's tirades would become public knowledge and be thrown back in his face, forcing him either to acknowledge their validity and thereby confront America's racism head-on, or to reject them and deny what blacks still have to face every day? Just this appalling lack of judgment on Obama's part is enough to cast serious doubt on his qualifications to be president. He thought he could sneak through the minefield of race when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face. The awful reality of racism in America can't be made less tragic by pretending it doesn't exist. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
Judy (snipped): How Obama ever imagined he could sit and listen to his pastor's sermons for 20 years and still conduct a campaign in which his race wouldn't become an issue is a huge mystery. How could he not realize Wright's tirades would become public knowledge and be thrown back in his face, forcing him either to acknowledge their validity and thereby confront America's racism head-on, or to reject them and deny what blacks still have to face every day? Just this appalling lack of judgment on Obama's part is enough to cast serious doubt on his qualifications to be president. He thought he could sneak through the minefield of race when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face. Me: In the first paragraph of yours that I've quoted, you ask a bunch of rhetorical questions. In the second paragraph you assume that these questions have been answered to the detriment of Obama. But do you really know that Obama is as unaware and as lacking in judgment as you claim he is? You have presented no evidence. Your rhetorical questions are not evidence. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
Wow, it astounds me, Judy, that after correctly identifying the two horns of the dilemna that Obama has to face, you argue with a straight face that this is indicative of Obama's lack of judgment (and, therefore and necessarily, an indication of his not having crossed the commander-in-chief threshold). He thought he could sneak through the minefield of race when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face. ...when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face. What an extraordinary vile, barely subliminal reference to terrorist suicide bombers. And it's all about *his* lack of judgment. Astounding. Truly astounding. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may be African American for all I know, though I doubt it. However, if you have ever had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of being Black in America, you would have a more charitable view of any Black American's frustration and fundamental anger with the racism that is still endemic in this country. And Barack Obama's unwillingness to condemn his minister for every intemperate remark, posited from a lifetime of prejudice, is more understandable. Marek, the trouble is that few white voters in this country *have* had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of being Black in America, and a lot of them are going to react exactly as Shemp does. So Shemp is quite right to say Wright's tirade is a BIG problem for Obama. Moreover, it demolishes the notion that Obama is a post-racial candidate. If he denounces what his pastor said, he's denying the validity of the very complaints that you're arguing are fully justified. And if he defends Wright's remarks, then he's thrusting the matter of his race front and center in the campaign. How Obama ever imagined he could sit and listen to his pastor's sermons for 20 years and still conduct a campaign in which his race wouldn't become an issue is a huge mystery. How could he not realize Wright's tirades would become public knowledge and be thrown back in his face, forcing him either to acknowledge their validity and thereby confront America's racism head-on, or to reject them and deny what blacks still have to face every day? Just this appalling lack of judgment on Obama's part is enough to cast serious doubt on his qualifications to be president. He thought he could sneak through the minefield of race when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face. The awful reality of racism in America can't be made less tragic by pretending it doesn't exist.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
Shemp, thanks for the reply, and I share the concern you express that anything and everything will be used against Obama, first by Clinton and, should he prevail, by the Republicans. My buttons rarely get pressed, but my experiences have deeply impressed on me the terrible effects of racism and prejudice, and if I've unfairly painted you with that brush (and your reply shows me that I have), I sincerely apologize. I wouldn't characterize Obama's candidacy and support for it as Affirmative Action per se, so much as simply an Affirmation that's rising from many good hearts that we can be better than we've been, that we can be more alert to the true dangers that confront us and more responsive to the intelligent solutions that are available to us. Six months ago, I didn't think we had this opportunity, and I agree with you that he may fail and that the forces of status quo will prevail. But then again, I'm a public defender who's used to swimming upstream with nothing but dams ahead, and no fish ladders to circumvent them. Edg's trikking has nothing on tilting at windmills for real exercise. Shemp, thanks for your contributions here. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marek, If the American electorate was as tolerate and kind hearted as you are and shared even 10% of your worldview and experience then, yes, I would agree with your well-reasoned and virtuous assessment below. But they don't. And Hillary and the Democratic Party realize this and know that this Minister Wright episode is beyond any justification to continue with what we all know (but don't necessary speak of in public) as this exercise in ultimate Affirmative Action that is the Barack Obama presidential run. Support him all you want if it makes you feel good. He just won't be president. And if you insist upon him becoming the nominee, you'll be stuck with another Republican for 4 years. Is that what you want? Hell, you guys can self-destruct all you want. It's not my country... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may be African American for all I know, though I doubt it. However, if you have ever had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of being Black in America, you would have a more charitable view of any Black American's frustration and fundamental anger with the racism that is still endemic in this country. And Barack Obama's unwillingness to condemn his minister for every intemperate remark, posited from a lifetime of prejudice, is more understandable. I'm privileged to work in the criminal justice system, at the same time I'm constantly reminded of just how little justice is afforded to a black as opposed to a white. Injustice is fundamental and it's ubiquitous. A case in point (and only one in a legion of examples): a couple of years ago I was appointed to represent a young black man from LA; he was the co-defendant in a drug case involving a significant amount of cocaine and there was a gun involved, too. The co-defendant was a young woman who lived here in Humboldt and her family had hired an excellent and expensive private attorney. After arraignment, a criminal defendant can request the Court to release him/her on their own recognisance, or if the Court isn't inclined to do that, to reduce their bail. In my client's matter, the Court refused both requests, but granted the co-defendant's motion to be released on her own recognisance, providing only that she be sure to come back to court when ordered to do so and obey all laws. In his pitch to the judge asking for her release, the attorney for the young white woman spoke openly about the fact that my client was from LA, a stranger to this county, and plainly insinuated that he was the nefarious, dark influence that had corrupted this young woman, and had even gotten her pregnant. He played up, and on, all the fears of LA gangs and drugs and violence being imported into Humboldt by this (black) gangster. However, the facts were plain, and were pointed out to the Court clearly: my client had come up to visit his girlfriend from LA, he had just arrived on the bus, and his bags were still unpacked in her apartment. It was the white girl who had the ongoing drug operation with all the indicia present both at her apartment and on her person, the money, the packaged drugs, the gun, the bookkeeping records -- everything. It was the white girl who had been stopped by the police while driving alone and in possession of cocaine packaged for sale and a loaded gun in her purse; my client was picked up several hours later and not even in the apartment where she had the rest of her operation. He had
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp I agree with you 100% I am confused, Louis. Was that a typo on your part? Are you sure you didn't mean you agree 100% with Duveyoung? Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, I think that most of the folks here agree with me. My blurbs about the sermons below in blue font. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how many delegates he has. - from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub OPINION Obama and the Minister By RONALD KESSLER March 14, 2008; Page A19 In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, This may not be true, but given the criminal operations of the FDA, I cannot rule out that the experiments in injecting people with monkey pus are scientific or capitalistic. I'm leaning towards capitalistic. training professional killers, The Blackwater Army is one example, as are the heinous acts of torture by our troops, and shooting down in cold blood a black man on his steps by a gang of police shooting dozens of bullets at an UNARMED MAN. Deny these things, and you'll just be Shemp doing that shit again to most here. importing drugs The opium growers of Afghanistan are openly acknowledged by BushCo as necessary evils to insure that we don't have to fight these warlords while searching of Bin Laden. And this is a old old story -- the poppy fields are never sprayed with poison by a quick strike from America for instance. and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president. When I was raised, my childhood history books never showed dead blacks in nooses, dead Native Americans, etc., nor was I ever prompted to examine what was the state of racial relationships in America. It took me DECADES to undo what my school, my parents, and my society did to empower me to hate black folks and feel superior. Read one modern book about Black History and you will have all the proof of state-sanctioned jackboots on the backs of African Americans' necks. The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006. Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright We've got more black men in prison than there are in college, he began. This was easy for white America to arrange via Makek's example recently posted and by the drug laws. There can be no question regarding the unfairness of how the courts treat black folks. Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. This is absolute truth. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body. Well, here he's wrong since Obama looks like he might pull it off. I think we have to thank BushCo for being so obviously criminal that to white Americans, even a black Muslim seems a change for the better. Mr. Wright thundered on: America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . So fucking true. We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . True. We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . True. We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. Don't know if America had any direct involvement in Mandela's imprisonment, but we sure didn't make it a political issue when dealing with the white racist government that jailed him. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. That's a very sad note that even black pride is being eroded -- or at the least black pride is being kept from fully emerging. His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . True. We allow Israel to have a 100 nukes, but the Palestinians are shot down like dogs if they merely have a sneer on their faces. We care nothing about human life if the end justifies the means. . . . Raw, real, carnage is called patriotic when it is merely profiteering. Concluding, Mr. Wright said:
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy (snipped): How Obama ever imagined he could sit and listen to his pastor's sermons for 20 years and still conduct a campaign in which his race wouldn't become an issue is a huge mystery. How could he not realize Wright's tirades would become public knowledge and be thrown back in his face, forcing him either to acknowledge their validity and thereby confront America's racism head-on, or to reject them and deny what blacks still have to face every day? Just this appalling lack of judgment on Obama's part is enough to cast serious doubt on his qualifications to be president. He thought he could sneak through the minefield of race when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face. Me: In the first paragraph of yours that I've quoted, you ask a bunch of rhetorical questions. In the second paragraph you assume that these questions have been answered to the detriment of Obama. But do you really know that Obama is as unaware and as lacking in judgment as you claim he is? You have presented no evidence. Your rhetorical questions are not evidence. You obviously don't grasp the point I'm making. Read what I wrote again, please. What I'm saying is that the *facts* are evidence of his lack of judgment: He decided to run as a post-racial candidate after having been a member for 20 years of the congregation of a pastor who is anything *but* post-racial. And this pastor didn't just lead the congregation of which Obama was a member; he was Obama's close friend and spiritual advisor, according to Obama himself. The title of Obama's book was taken from one of the pastor's sermons. You tell me. How did Obama imagine his association with this pastor wasn't going to come to voters' attention? And if he did realize it was going to come to voters' attention, how did he imagine he was going to be able to continue to present himself as a post-racial candidate without disavowing what his pastor had said? And if he disavows what his pastor has said, he's rejecting his pastor's all-too-accurate description of the situation blacks still face in this country. The questions about his judgment *have* been answered. The *facts* are that he's put himself on the horns of a dilemma from which he can't extricate himself without very serious damage to his campaign. How can that be portrayed as anything but *terrible* judgment? I'd be behind him all the way if he wanted to take up his pastor's cause. But if he does, he'll lose a very significant chunk of the white primary voters who now support him based on his post-racial campaign, who think his pastor is a Scary Black Man promoting race war. And if he still manages to win the Democratic nomination, he will be responsible for putting John McCain in the White House.
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Chuckles. I'm similarly astounded, though not surprised. How's that for a paradox? --- Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, it astounds me, Judy, that after correctly identifying the two horns of the dilemna that Obama has to face, you argue with a straight face that this is indicative of Obama's lack of judgment (and, therefore and necessarily, an indication of his not having crossed the commander-in-chief threshold). He thought he could sneak through the minefield of race when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face. ...when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face. What an extraordinary vile, barely subliminal reference to terrorist suicide bombers. And it's all about *his* lack of judgment. Astounding. Truly astounding. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may be African American for all I know, though I doubt it. However, if you have ever had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of being Black in America, you would have a more charitable view of any Black American's frustration and fundamental anger with the racism that is still endemic in this country. And Barack Obama's unwillingness to condemn his minister for every intemperate remark, posited from a lifetime of prejudice, is more understandable. Marek, the trouble is that few white voters in this country *have* had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of being Black in America, and a lot of them are going to react exactly as Shemp does. So Shemp is quite right to say Wright's tirade is a BIG problem for Obama. Moreover, it demolishes the notion that Obama is a post-racial candidate. If he denounces what his pastor said, he's denying the validity of the very complaints that you're arguing are fully justified. And if he defends Wright's remarks, then he's thrusting the matter of his race front and center in the campaign. How Obama ever imagined he could sit and listen to his pastor's sermons for 20 years and still conduct a campaign in which his race wouldn't become an issue is a huge mystery. How could he not realize Wright's tirades would become public knowledge and be thrown back in his face, forcing him either to acknowledge their validity and thereby confront America's racism head-on, or to reject them and deny what blacks still have to face every day? Just this appalling lack of judgment on Obama's part is enough to cast serious doubt on his qualifications to be president. He thought he could sneak through the minefield of race when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face. The awful reality of racism in America can't be made less tragic by pretending it doesn't exist. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, thanks for the reply, and I share the concern you express that anything and everything will be used against Obama, first by Clinton and, should he prevail, by the Republicans. My buttons rarely get pressed, but my experiences have deeply impressed on me the terrible effects of racism and prejudice, and if I've unfairly painted you with that brush I didn't think that for a nano-second. (and your reply shows me that I have), I sincerely apologize. No need to. I wouldn't characterize Obama's candidacy and support for it as Affirmative Action per se, so much as simply an Affirmation that's rising from many good hearts that we can be better than we've been, that we can be more alert to the true dangers that confront us and more responsive to the intelligent solutions that are available to us. Six months ago, I didn't think we had this opportunity, and I agree with you that he may fail and that the forces of status quo will prevail. But then again, I'm a public defender who's used to swimming upstream with nothing but dams ahead, and no fish ladders to circumvent them. Edg's trikking has nothing on tilting at windmills for real exercise. Shemp, thanks for your contributions here. Marek Question for everyone on this forum: Go back 8 years. Does anyone doubt that had Colin Powell decided to run for President under the Republican banner that he wouldn't have been elected in a landslide? And that white Republicans would have voted for him en masse in the same numbers that they did for Bush? I think that the above is exactly what would have happened and Powell would be our President today. And would I have supported such a candidacy at least in part because he was an African-American? Of course I would have. But it only would have been possible for me to indulge myself like that if -- and only if -- Powell was compatible with my general worldview, which he was and is. Indeed, if there is any Powell I'd like to see as President, it would be his son, Michael Powell. If anyone is familiar with him, he is -- despite the difficult choices he had to make as Chairman of the FCC -- a dye-in-the-wool libertarian and free-marketer. That's where I am coming from as you are all aware and Michael Powell is the poster-boy for this worldview. Liberal is a dirty word in presidential politics and too much in Obama's present and past shouts this word too, too loudly. Sorry, but the cold, hard facts are that middle America hates a president that is too Liberal. That's why Bill Clinton rushed home during his presidential campaign in '92 to ensure that a retarded Black man be put to death in Arkansas...this, along with his Sister Souljah moment, ensured his presidential win. This liberalism factor will outweigh the very eager desire I share with all of you on this forum to see an African-American named Barack Obama become president. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Marek, If the American electorate was as tolerate and kind hearted as you are and shared even 10% of your worldview and experience then, yes, I would agree with your well-reasoned and virtuous assessment below. But they don't. And Hillary and the Democratic Party realize this and know that this Minister Wright episode is beyond any justification to continue with what we all know (but don't necessary speak of in public) as this exercise in ultimate Affirmative Action that is the Barack Obama presidential run. Support him all you want if it makes you feel good. He just won't be president. And if you insist upon him becoming the nominee, you'll be stuck with another Republican for 4 years. Is that what you want? Hell, you guys can self-destruct all you want. It's not my country... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may be African American for all I know, though I doubt it. However, if you have ever had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of being Black in America, you would have a more charitable view of any Black American's frustration and fundamental anger with the racism that is still endemic in this country. And Barack Obama's unwillingness to condemn his minister for every intemperate remark, posited from a lifetime of prejudice, is more understandable. I'm privileged to work in the criminal justice system, at the same time I'm constantly reminded of just how little justice is afforded to a black as opposed to a white. Injustice is fundamental and it's ubiquitous. A case in point (and only one in a legion of examples): a couple of years ago I was appointed to
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's over for Obama
Duveyoung wrote: Funny, but I support Obama's preacher's words almost to the letter. God Damn America.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, it astounds me, Judy, that after correctly identifying the two horns of the dilemna that Obama has to face, you argue with a straight face that this is indicative of Obama's lack of judgment (and, therefore and necessarily, an indication of his not having crossed the commander-in-chief threshold). I didn't say anything about the commander-in-chief threshold, Marek. Got another straw man? He thought he could sneak through the minefield of race when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face. ...when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face. What an extraordinary vile, barely subliminal reference to terrorist suicide bombers. Oh, please. Suicide bombers don't plant minefields, they carry their bombs with them. I didn't choose my metaphor at random. It's your appallingly twisted interpretation that's vile. And it's all about *his* lack of judgment. Yes, his lack of judgment about the lack of judgment of too many white American voters. Those white voters aren't running for president, they're deciding whether he should be running. Astounding. Truly astounding. It *is* astounding. Can you explain how he managed to so badly misread the racial situation in this country as to think he could run as a post-racial candidate when he's had Wright as his pastor and spiritual advisor for 20 years? Try addressing my point instead of spitting out vicious ad hominems.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Seatbelt Week in FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI Friends This week is 'seatbelt week' around FF. Too bad it wasn't Semaine de Ceinture de Securite that fateful day in Paris when Diana and Dodi took a ride... Bhumi got stopped on B Street near the cemetery and was given a warning. The patrolman said the department will be issuing citations all week. (Why didn't i get a warning last summer???) Steve No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuckles. I'm similarly astounded, though not surprised. How's that for a paradox? You are both quite willfully ignoring my point.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] It *is* astounding. Can you explain how he managed to so badly misread the racial situation in this country as to think he could run as a post-racial candidate when he's had Wright as his pastor and spiritual advisor for 20 years? [snip] I truly believe that these words of Judy's sums the whole situation up in one succinct paragraph.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
Judy, I stand by my previous comments. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Wow, it astounds me, Judy, that after correctly identifying the two horns of the dilemna that Obama has to face, you argue with a straight face that this is indicative of Obama's lack of judgment (and, therefore and necessarily, an indication of his not having crossed the commander-in-chief threshold). I didn't say anything about the commander-in-chief threshold, Marek. Got another straw man? He thought he could sneak through the minefield of race when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face. ...when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face. What an extraordinary vile, barely subliminal reference to terrorist suicide bombers. Oh, please. Suicide bombers don't plant minefields, they carry their bombs with them. I didn't choose my metaphor at random. It's your appallingly twisted interpretation that's vile. And it's all about *his* lack of judgment. Yes, his lack of judgment about the lack of judgment of too many white American voters. Those white voters aren't running for president, they're deciding whether he should be running. Astounding. Truly astounding. It *is* astounding. Can you explain how he managed to so badly misread the racial situation in this country as to think he could run as a post-racial candidate when he's had Wright as his pastor and spiritual advisor for 20 years? Try addressing my point instead of spitting out vicious ad hominems.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuckles. I'm similarly astounded, though not surprised. How's that for a paradox? Using these standards, would a person who had studied with Maharishi for 20 years have the judgment necessary to become President? After all, they have sat in the room with him and listened to sermon after sermon about how democracy should be damned and that everyone should write off Britain as a 'scorpion nation,' how one's lot in life and prospects is *and should be* completely determined by the family one is born into, that women have no place in the world except as wives, nuns, or in delicate professions that don't bruise their fragile sensibilities and that they can NEVER rise to positions of power in the teacher's organization, that the rule of kings is the best form of government and that the king's will is and should be law and that anyone who even DOUBTS it (or anything that they say, for that matter) should be exiled, that genocidal dictators should be praised and supported, that meditation should be made mandatory and that people should be forced to practice it for their own good, that people who prance around wearing long flowing robes and Burger King crowns have not only the wisdom to rule the world but the divine right to do so, and many other such things. How could anyone vote for anyone who would sit through that for 20+ years without ever speak- ing out against it, eh? How could anyone who sat through such stuff EVER be considered trustworthy or even *intelligent* enough to be President? Surely they don't have the judg- ment one needs to be a leader. --- Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, it astounds me, Judy, that after correctly identifying the two horns of the dilemna that Obama has to face, you argue with a straight face that this is indicative of Obama's lack of judgment (and, therefore and necessarily, an indication of his not having crossed the commander-in-chief threshold). He thought he could sneak through the minefield of race when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face. ...when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face. What an extraordinary vile, barely subliminal reference to terrorist suicide bombers. And it's all about *his* lack of judgment. Astounding. Truly astounding. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may be African American for all I know, though I doubt it. However, if you have ever had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of being Black in America, you would have a more charitable view of any Black American's frustration and fundamental anger with the racism that is still endemic in this country. And Barack Obama's unwillingness to condemn his minister for every intemperate remark, posited from a lifetime of prejudice, is more understandable. Marek, the trouble is that few white voters in this country *have* had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of being Black in America, and a lot of them are going to react exactly as Shemp does. So Shemp is quite right to say Wright's tirade is a BIG problem for Obama. Moreover, it demolishes the notion that Obama is a post-racial candidate. If he denounces what his pastor said, he's denying the validity of the very complaints that you're arguing are fully justified. And if he defends Wright's remarks, then he's thrusting the matter of his race front and center in the campaign. How Obama ever imagined he could sit and listen to his pastor's sermons for 20 years and still conduct a campaign in which his race wouldn't become an issue is a huge mystery. How could he not realize Wright's tirades would become public knowledge and be thrown back in his face, forcing him either to acknowledge their validity and thereby confront America's racism head-on, or to reject them and deny what blacks still have to face every day? Just this appalling lack of judgment on Obama's part is enough to cast serious doubt on his qualifications to be president. He thought he could sneak through the minefield of race when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face. The awful reality of racism in America can't be made less tragic by pretending it doesn't exist. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] If Michael Moore were a Republican...
...can you imagine how he would edit Rev. Wright's remarks and intersperse them with images of Obama into a 60-second attack ad? This is what is in store for you Democrats if Barack is the nominee. And there won't be anything swift-boat about it; there won't have to be because this issue goes directly to the heart of character and policy and judgement, qualities that are so vital in determining the Commander in Chief.
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Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr. Ed Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:34 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama I MISS JOHN EDWARDS! :) --- Maybe we’ll get him as VP. No, Attorney General would be far, far better fit for Edwards. It would scare the shit out of the gangsters running major corporations. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, I stand by my previous comments. Then you're just dirt, Marek. Absolutely inexcusable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] It *is* astounding. Can you explain how he managed to so badly misread the racial situation in this country as to think he could run as a post-racial candidate when he's had Wright as his pastor and spiritual advisor for 20 years? [snip] I truly believe that these words of Judy's sums the whole situation up in one succinct paragraph. There's one big difference between us, Shemp. I think Wright's tirade was on target.
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[FairfieldLife] Spitzer v. Wright
Eliot Spitzer was deemed inappropriate to contine as Governor of New York for having the bad judgement to visit prostitutes for the past 10 years and all the infractions that go along with that. Will Barack Obama be deemed inappropriate for the job of President because he attended a church for 20 years presided over by what many, many Americans will perceive as a raving lunatic? And that this very lunatic presided over Barack's wedding, served as the inspriration for his spiritual awakening (according to Barack), is the source of the words audacity of hope (the theme of Obama's book and presidential bid) and is one if not the main inspirations in his life?
