[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> All spiritual realities are also in a sense fantasies e.g. Jesus 
taught the immanent coming of the Kingdom of God but of course that 
didn't happen.  But how real is this?  If you're, say, about to turn 
60 (as many are these days)...

This is how the traditional Christian messianic message has been 
understood.  Most Christians are still waiting for the Kingdom to 
come. But it is possible that the kingdom is really within ourselves, 
as MMY suggests in his teachings.  It's a matter of immersing the 
self with the bliss of the Absolute.  As such, when cosmic 
consciousness is attained, the person has gained heaven here on earth.










> 
> --- On Tue, 9/30/08, do.rflex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> From: do.rflex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:34 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "jyouells2000" 
 wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Rick Archer"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > Comments from a wealthy friend of mine:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It's interesting reading this below how Maharishi was the one 
who was
> > more
> > > tight with money than anyone I've ever known. I never saw him 
giving
> > > anything to anyone, except maybe Tony Nader where he made that 
public
> > > display of giving his weight in gold, but that was no doubt 
donated at
> > his
> > > request. He was only asking for more money all time even though 
he
> > > controlled probably more than a billion, yet he upbraids others 
for
> > lack of
> > > generosity and compassion. What he writes below displays a lack 
of
> > > understanding for bankers, who are just business people, like 
any
> > other kind
> > > of business. If bankers are to give away their profits, then 
why not
> > > businesses of all types, which certainly is a good idea to give 
to
> > charity
> > > and help others, which he never did on any material level. His
> > fantasy
> > > about all the world's probem's being solved in "the Age of
> > Enlightenment" or
> > > Sat yuga, which he spoke of since we were kids and for which he 
claims
> > > credit, along with Guru Dev, continues to be shown to be just 
that, a
> > > fantasy. It's surprising with such a brilliant mind and such 
wisdom
> > of the
> > > Vedas he had these unusual quirks.
> > >
> > > In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along 
with his
> > > poverty removal program...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 19 June, during the Conference on Removal of Poverty 
broadcast live
> > by
> > > satellite and the Internet from the Financial Capital of New 
York,
> > Maharishi
> > > gave a strong message to the banks and financial institutions 
of the
> > world.
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > This is the telling statement for me:
> > 
> > "When you are on the path of God-realization, that path will not 
bring
> > you suffering. And, if the path to God-realization brings 
suffering, it
> > is not the path of God-realization; it is not a religion."
> > 
> > MMY
> > 
> > I understand the theory, but looking at meditators, in practice 
whew!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > JohnY
> 
> How many of those meditators you mention are really devoted to God?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's All About Interest, stupid!'

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , Robert  wrote:
> >
> > In the old days, the old Jewish Law...
> > Was that you were not to charge interest on money lent.
> > So, perhaps the grand days of interest on interest is gone, forever...
> > People have wised up, on this Interest thing.
> > Interest on interest started with during the 'Reagan Years', and MBA
> mentality
> > Learning skilled ways of charging interest on interest...
> > Interest...but whose interest, my house, your house, their houses.
> > Why can't we lend money for no interest...how would that work.
> > This is what we have done with the Banks, we loan them money at no
> interest.
> > This is what we do with the Saudi's, we give them money with no
> interest.
> > This is what we do with the military, we give them money with no
> interest.
> > ~It's All About Interest, Stupid!
> > R.G.>>
> 
> You also were not supposed to lend out 120 times what you own. Most of
> the banks would take $1 that they owned, lend it out 120 times to 120
> people. If the interest charged in one year was only 5%, then the profit
> would be $6 on the dollar, per year, if everyone paid. So you could make
> $5 a year for every dollar you owned.
> So if you have $1 million you could make at $5 million a year on 5%
> interest only. And all you have to is sit on your ass and pay fairly low
> wages to maybe 1 or 2 people for every $1 million loaned. For you to
> lose, you would have to have 75% of the people default on the loan
> before you are not making money.
> Jeezus !that can't be right...must have screwed up the math !...or
> maybe we should start a bank !
> 
> OffWorld
>

It doesn't really work like that Off. Though its common misunderstanding.

Following is a blurb that describes it -- or expanded versions can be
found in any introductory macro economics text.


"The expansion of a country's money supply that results from banks
being able to lend. The size of the multiplier effect depends on the
percentage of deposits that banks are required to hold as reserves. In
other words, it is money used to create more money and is calculated
by dividing total bank deposits by the reserve requirement. 
Investopedia Says...The multiplier effect depends on the set reserve
requirement. So, to calculate the impact of the multiplier effect on
the money supply, we start with the amount banks initially take in
through deposits and divide this by the reserve ratio. If, for
example, the reserve requirement is 20%, for every $100 a customer
deposits into a bank, $20 must be kept in reserve. However, the
remaining $80 can be loaned out to other bank customers. This $80 is
then deposited by these customers into another bank, which in turn
must also keep 20%, or $16, in reserve but can lend out the remaining
$64. This cycle continues - as more people deposit money and more
banks continue lending it - until finally the $100 initially deposited
creates a total of $500 ($100 / 0.2) in deposits. This creation of
deposits is the multiplier effect.

The higher the reserve requirement, the tighter the money supply,
which results in a lower multiplier effect for every dollar deposited.
The lower the reserve requirement, the larger the money supply, which
means more money is being created for every dollar deposited. "

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations, Corporate Crime Fighters! Coup Averted for Three Days! ...from Michael Moore

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Friends,
> 
> Everyone said the bill would pass. The masters of the universe were 
> already making celebratory dinner reservations at Manhattan's finest 
> restaurants. Personal shoppers in Dallas and Atlanta were dispatched to 
> do the early Christmas gifting. Mad Men of Chicago and Miami were 
> popping corks and toasting each other long before the morning latte run.
> 
> But what they didn't know was that hundreds of thousands of Americans 
> woke up yesterday morning and decided it was time for revolt. The 
> politicians never saw it coming. Millions of phone calls and emails hit 
> Congress so hard it was as if Marshall Dillon, Elliot Ness and Dog the 
> Bounty Hunter had descended on D.C. to stop the looting and arrest the 
> thieves.
> 
> The Corporate Crime of the Century was halted by a vote of 228 to 205. 




I know! All those corporate lackies who voted for it got their due:
Waxman, Waters, Berman, Frank -- all those right wing nuts in the hip
pocket of Wall St.





> It was rare and historic; no one could remember a time when a bill 
> supported by the president and the leadership of both parties went down 
> in defeat. That just never happens.
> 
> A lot of people are wondering why the right wing of the Republican
Party 
> joined with the left wing of the Democratic Party in voting down the 
> thievery. Forty percent of Democrats and two-thirds of Republicans
voted 
> against the bill.
> 
> Here's what happened:
> 
> The presidential race may still be close in the polls, but the 
> Congressional races are pointing toward a landslide for the Democrats. 
> Few dispute the prediction that the Republicans are in for a
whoopin' on 
> November 4th. Up to 30 Republican House seats could be lost in what 
> would be a stunning repudiation of their agenda.
> 
> The Republican reps are so scared of losing their seats, when this 
> "financial crisis" reared its head two weeks ago, they realized they
had 
> just been handed their one and only chance to separate themselves from 
> Bush before the election, while doing something that would make them 
> look like they were on the side of "the people."
> 
> Watching C-Span yesterday morning was one of the best comedy shows I'd 
> seen in ages. There they were, one Republican after another who had 
> backed the war and sunk the country into record debt, who had voted to 
> kill every regulation that would have kept Wall Street in check --
there 
> they were, now crying foul and standing up for the little guy! One
after 
> another, they stood at the microphone on the House floor and threw Bush 
> under the bus, under the train (even though they had voted to kill off 
> our nation's trains, too), heck, they would've thrown him under the 
> rising waters of the Lower Ninth Ward if they could've conjured up 
> another hurricane. You know how your dog acts when sprayed by a skunk? 
> He howls and runs around trying to shake it off, rubbing and rolling 
> himself on every piece of your carpet, trying to get rid of the stench. 
> That's what it looked like on the Republican side of the aisle 
> yesterday, and it was a sight to behold.
> 
> The 95 brave Dems who broke with Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were the 
> real heroes, just like those few who stood up and voted against the war 
> in October of 2002. Watch the remarks from yesterday of Reps. Marcy 
> Kaptur ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S27yitK32ds ), Sheila Jackson 
> Lee ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwysnA7ZmE8 ) and Dennis
Kucinich ( 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaF_MZVWM3E ). They spoke the truth.
> 
> The Dems who voted for the giveaway did so mostly because they were 
> scared by the threats of Wall Street, that if the rich didn't get their 
> handout, the market would go nuts and then it's bye-bye stock-based 
> pension and retirement funds.
> 
> And guess what? That's exactly what Wall Street did! The largest, 
> single-day drop in the Dow in the history of the New York Stock 
> exchange. The news anchors last night screamed it out: Americans just 
> lost 1.2 trillion dollars in the stock market!! It's a financial Pearl 
> Harbor! The sky is falling! Bird flu! Killer Bees!
> 
> Of course, sane people know that nobody "lost" anything yesterday, that 
> stocks go up and down and this too shall pass because the rich will now 
> buy low, hold, then sell off, then buy low again.
> 
> But for now, Wall Street and its propaganda arm (the networks and media 
> it owns) will continue to try and scare the bejesus out of you. It will 
> be harder to get a loan. Some people will lose their jobs. A weak
nation 
> of wimps won't last long under this torture. Or will we? Is this our 
> line in the sand?
> 
> Here's my guess: The Democratic leadership in the House secretly hoped 
> all along that this lousy bill would go down. With Bush's proposals 
> shredded, the Dems knew they could then write their own bill that
favors 
> the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Have a stompin' good time at Navaratri!

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > Didn't someone say something about Indians being like Americans 
on 
> > drugs?
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > *
> > 
> > At the TM-TTC at Humboldt State College during Aug 1970, I heard 
MMY 
> > say that "the average Indian is like an American on drugs," by 
way of 
> > explaining why India was/is so full of dirty cities, poverty, 
> > violence.
> > 
> > More recently, 58 minutes into the press conference of 8Dec2004 
at 
> > mou.org, Maharishi, saying that he gets excited talking about 
India, 
> > puts the blame where it belongs: "India is the greatest enemy of 
the 
> > world" because its leaders, educated in Britain and slaves of 
foreign 
> > influence, are ignoring India's Vedic tradition. Maharishi goes 
on at 
> > one hour and 21 minutes to say that "If India was India the world 
> > would have been heaven." -- "for years I am working in India," 
but 
> > the people there are "stupid" -- but [paraphrasing] it's all 
right, 
> > because India has seen many dangerous times and this is just 
another 
> > one of them.
> > (Note: The 8Dec2004 press conference replay has been removed from 
the 
> > mou.org archives, but the press conference of 2Mar2005 contains 
many 
> > strong denunciations of the Indian govt. by Maharishi).
> >
> 
> 




> If India and Indians are so great, smart and awesome, how did they 
get
> subjugated by the mogals for centuries and then the British for
> centuries. 
> 
> MMY bragging about the superiority of India and Indians reminds me 
of
> of boasting of Scots and Scotland.
>


*

Amazing. Are you helping to prep Palin for her debate?

Anyway, stampedes kill more Indians than bombings:

http://tinyurl.com/4cykkx

[FairfieldLife] In honor of my Mother

[Rick Archer]

>From Michael Baxter, whom some of you may know. Check out his blog...

 

I just received the news that my mother, Jacquie Smith, passed away this
evening. She was just three weeks away from her 80th birthday when she was
taken by a sudden illness. She underwent emergency surgery this past
Saturday from which she never recovered. 

Mom lived a full life, mostly in southern California, and raised five
children. Intesar and I appreciate being able to share this news with you.
We know that you'll wish us the best.

Michael

p.s. I've begun a blog in her honor and would like to invite you to take a
look at it at this address:

  http://baxtsm.blogspot.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Have a stompin' good time at Navaratri!

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Didn't someone say something about Indians being like Americans on 
> drugs?
> >
> 
> 
> *
> 
> At the TM-TTC at Humboldt State College during Aug 1970, I heard MMY 
> say that "the average Indian is like an American on drugs," by way of 
> explaining why India was/is so full of dirty cities, poverty, 
> violence.
> 
> More recently, 58 minutes into the press conference of 8Dec2004 at 
> mou.org, Maharishi, saying that he gets excited talking about India, 
> puts the blame where it belongs: "India is the greatest enemy of the 
> world" because its leaders, educated in Britain and slaves of foreign 
> influence, are ignoring India's Vedic tradition. Maharishi goes on at 
> one hour and 21 minutes to say that "If India was India the world 
> would have been heaven." -- "for years I am working in India," but 
> the people there are "stupid" -- but [paraphrasing] it's all right, 
> because India has seen many dangerous times and this is just another 
> one of them.
> (Note: The 8Dec2004 press conference replay has been removed from the 
> mou.org archives, but the press conference of 2Mar2005 contains many 
> strong denunciations of the Indian govt. by Maharishi).
>


If India and Indians are so great, smart and awesome, how did they get
subjugated by the mogals for centuries and then the British for
centuries. 

MMY bragging about the superiority of India and Indians reminds me of
of boasting of Scots and Scotland. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin Interview Generator

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> http://interviewpalin.com/
>



The parallel universe choice of VP:

http://tinyurl.com/5x43ol

[FairfieldLife] Re: State of American Writing

[bob_brigante]

> Toni Morrison
> was a good choice, but name me even one American
> writing today who is in the same class as Orhan
> Pamuk or Doris Lessing or Harold Pinter or V.S.
> Naipaul or Gunter Grass. 



Thomas Pynchon

[FairfieldLife] Re: Have a stompin' good time at Navaratri!

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Happy Navaratri, everyone.  See how the Indians have stompin' good 
time 
> at their festivals:
> 
> JAIPUR, India - At least 168 people were killed and 100 injured 
when 
> thousands of pilgrims stampeded Tuesday at a Hindu temple in the 
> historic town of Jodhpur in western India, officials said.
> 
> More here:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26950301/
> 


> Didn't someone say something about Indians being like Americans on 
drugs?
>


*

At the TM-TTC at Humboldt State College during Aug 1970, I heard MMY 
say that "the average Indian is like an American on drugs," by way of 
explaining why India was/is so full of dirty cities, poverty, 
violence.

More recently, 58 minutes into the press conference of 8Dec2004 at 
mou.org, Maharishi, saying that he gets excited talking about India, 
puts the blame where it belongs: "India is the greatest enemy of the 
world" because its leaders, educated in Britain and slaves of foreign 
influence, are ignoring India's Vedic tradition. Maharishi goes on at 
one hour and 21 minutes to say that "If India was India the world 
would have been heaven." -- "for years I am working in India," but 
the people there are "stupid" -- but [paraphrasing] it's all right, 
because India has seen many dangerous times and this is just another 
one of them.
(Note: The 8Dec2004 press conference replay has been removed from the 
mou.org archives, but the press conference of 2Mar2005 contains many 
strong denunciations of the Indian govt. by Maharishi).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?

[Robert]

 (snip)  
> I was not as strong as the PURUSHA-GUY who appeared here recently 
> begging for funds. Unfortunately I could never beg for money.
> 
> I simply went home to take care of my ailing mother.
 (snip)
No, begging is not as easy as it looks; like anything else, there is 
an art to good begging.
One time, I was visiting the most southern tip of Mexico in the 
Yucatan, a city called Chetchemul...
Anyway, there was this guy, kind of older man, who had a very bright 
aura, seemed blissful, and as a small, tiny man.
He was a begger, and had a way about him, that you just wanted to give 
him money.
I noticed the wad he pulled out of his pocket, was huge.
So, I thought there must be an art to the thing.
R.G.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let the other nations pitch in

[Robert]

 (snip)
Doesn't this whole thing just mean, that our economy is slowing down...
And why is that necessariliy a bad thing.
Hasn't our economy been over heated for years.
A bloated housing bubble, based on bad loans.
A bloated money war economy sending Billions to Iraq.
A bloated oil policy sending Billions to oil producers.
And the corporaization  of Amerika and Walmart and China and all of 
those loose ends.

Phat houses, phat suv's, phat wars overseas, skimming here and there,
and so the thing has to slow down.
Slowing down means living more simply.
Slowing down means burning less gas.
We have already over built the housing market,
It needs to slow down.
But we do need infrastructue jobs and repairs.
And we do need social programs for the people.
And we do need to develope our culture in other ways, beside 
supporting the bankers on Wall St.
R.G.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's All About Interest, stupid!'

[Robert]

 (snip)
> Yeah! Lets make money free. Stands to follow -- Seequweeter style,
> that the, why stop there. Lets make all things free. Like Nature Man.
> Mother Nature doesn't charge me nothing for sleeping in the park Man.
> So Screw The Man! S Grooovy, 
 (snip)
I was just making the point that some people do get money 'free'...
The banks were buying money from the government for free, just about.
And the military contracts, all that money for them is free.
And the prison contracts and that money is free also.

What's not free, is how people keep having to pay for the same thing 
over and over again.
Like the housing market, that's all based on appeication and interest.
Maybe I don't get how the economy works, but it always seems like 
we're borrowing more and more money to pay back sometime in the 
future, and all of this money is based on compounded interest.
Seems like there could be a much simple system, then this constant 
lending out free money for some, and compounding interest for most of 
the other 95%...
R.G.

[FairfieldLife] Dr. Ravi Batra on the Economy

[Bhairitu]

Southern Methodist University economics professor Dr. Ravi Batra:

McCain vs. Obama on the United States Economy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUJqNmkcmSw

American Economic Debt and Deficit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M5Of0vdObc

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let the other nations pitch in

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> I keep hearing in the MSM over and over again how this economic crisis
> will affect economies and markets all over the world if WE don't do
> something.>>

As in "we" the Canadians?

Other economies will do just fine. And US will eventually recover no
problem...as long as they can stop spending 10+ billion dollars a month
on 150,000 troops in your illegal war in Iraq.


>
> Well, if that's the case, let THEM pitch in and send US the $700
> billion!>>

Lol !... what a child. They are the only reason that the US is even
still afloat in any way shape or form.

>
> The United States is ALWAYS there to bail out other nations >>

LOL !...What an uniformed person !
The US never pays its bills to anyone in the world, and simply threaten,
bomb, or opress other nations. When that fails they just create
dictatorships to do their dirty work for them. America is considered a
shameful nation around the world.

How's that trillion dollar war in that bomb-crater you call Iraq going
Shemp?

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Smell of Socialism

[raunchydog]

"Indoctrination Youth" Texas Darlin 9/30/08 http://tinyurl.com/4yjn46

Obama's Youth Sing for "Dear Leader"
http://tinyurl.com/3fb5da

"Tomorrow Belongs to Me"
http://tinyurl.com/4qs3cg

A comment I found on another blog:

This reminds me of when I was back in Cuba as a little girl in
kindergarten. We were made to sing praises to Fidel and this is
exactly what it looked/sounded like.

Also the teacher would ask for us to sit down at our desks, bow
our heads, and pray to God for some ice cream. Of course, after she
told us to open our eyes there was no ice cream. Then she would ask us
to do the same, this time asking Fidel for the ice cream. When we were
told to open our eyes they'd placed an ice cream cup in front of each
one of us and we were then asked to give praise to Fidel for providing
us with all our needs.

Indoctrination of the youth, the simplest way to spread the
Communist propaganda. After all, children are pretty much a clean
slate and you can easily program their minds with whatever heinous
doctrines you want to put there without too much effort…

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[FairfieldLife] Re: State of American Writing

[Richard J. Williams]

Write, Turq, like you've been reading any
American writing lately. Do they even have 
a public library in Sitges? :-)

> > This may be an opinion by a one guy.  But the 
> > opinion is food for thought as to what Americans 
> > are writing about.
> >
TurquoiseB wrote:
> Gotta agree with the gentleman. Toni Morrison
> was a good choice, but name me even one American
> writing today who is in the same class as Orhan
> Pamuk or Doris Lessing or Harold Pinter or V.S.
> Naipaul or Gunter Grass. The Nobel Prize for 
> Literature is a "lifetime achievement" award,
> and never for a single book. It is also meant
> to reward "the most outstanding work of an 
> idealistic tendency."
> 
> I'm sorry, but American writers rarely create
> a consistently excellent body of work, and their
> tendency to be self-absorbed and whine tends to
> render the writers devoid of ideals, compared
> to writers in other parts of the world.
> 
> Besides, two of the recent winners listed my 
> favorite author as their favorite author, so
> that raises them up higher in my estimation
> than the prize does.  :-)
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?

[WLeed3]

So why does she not offer to pay for a few valued moments that R of great  
vlaue to her1 & 2 is nshe gainfully employed or not & if make an offer  for 
someones valued time to assist her?
 
 
In a message dated 9/30/2008 6:50:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 
 
From:  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On  Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:40  PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject:  [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish  Consultation?

 
 
 
She is a sorry looser out there in the realive  world with all the 
possebilities of earning money, whereas the Purusha  fellow will enjoy 
Heaven on Earth. He is not begging for a small gift but  for support 
of an anscient tradition of renounciates. He begs out of  strenght. 
Ricks friend begs out of  weakness.


Introspection time Nabby. You just made some  very opinionated judgments 
about someone whom you’ve never met. All you know  about her is that she’s 
looking for a jyotish enthusiast who might be willing  to offer a few minutes 
of his 
time. Many people do jyotish as a hobby so it’s  not an unusual request. Do 
you really go through life judging people as  harshly and rigidly as you do on 
FFL? If so, the world must not be a very  friendly place as seen through your 
eyes. I think you and I both could pull up  a few MMY quotes about the 
evolutionary value of not being  judgmental.
 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You "Space Out"?

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Sep 30, 2008, at 3:20 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> 
> > We become a living embodiment of pure consciousness, and then 
what
> > is there to measure?
> 
> Sorry to break into your flake-fest here Ms. Enlightened--and not 
to  
> belabor the point--but as long as the physical body remains you 
cannot  
> negate the physical.
> 
>  From my POV "pure consciousness" is an illusion and construct  
> projected into and onto awareness by the natural "refresh rate" of 
our  
> neurons.
> 
> I don't make the mistake of thinking of it as "real" or even  
> substantial.
> 
It sounds to me Mr. Vaj that you are saying you are dense, and only 
interested in being dense; that you identify yourself solely on that 
plane of existence. No argument there. 

I will never deny my physical existence as long as I inhabit a body, 
this body. I embrace the world, though it is through the expression 
of pure consciousness that I enjoy it so, from its dense and gross 
manifestation, throughout all the myriad and subtle levels of 
creation, of Being. I just plain enjoy it all.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You "Space Out"?

[Richard J. Williams]

> > We become a living embodiment of pure 
> > consciousness, and then what is there 
> > to measure?
> >
Vaj wrote:
> Sorry to break into your flake-fest here 
> Ms. Enlightened--and not to belabor the 
> point--but as long as the physical body 
> remains you cannot negate the physical.
> 
> From my POV "pure consciousness" is an 
> illusion and construct projected into and 
> onto awareness by the natural "refresh 
> rate" of our neurons.
> 
Sorry to break into your flake-test here
Mr. Enlightened, but it's the neurons that
are projected onto the pure consciousness.
> 
> I don't make the mistake of thinking of 
> it as "real" or even substantial.
> 
You got it just backwards, Vaj - the pure 
consciousness is the real - it's the neurons 
that are the illusion. There's nothing 
substantial about neurons. There is no
substance - only change. You'd be knowing
this if you read the scriptures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lankavatara_Sutra

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:40 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?

 

She is a sorry looser out there in the realive world with all the 
possebilities of earning money, whereas the Purusha fellow will enjoy 
Heaven on Earth. He is not begging for a small gift but for support 
of an anscient tradition of renounciates. He begs out of strenght. 
Ricks friend begs out of weakness.

Introspection time Nabby. You just made some very opinionated judgments
about someone whom you've never met. All you know about her is that she's
looking for a jyotish enthusiast who might be willing to offer a few minutes
of his time. Many people do jyotish as a hobby so it's not an unusual
request. Do you really go through life judging people as harshly and rigidly
as you do on FFL? If so, the world must not be a very friendly place as seen
through your eyes. I think you and I both could pull up a few MMY quotes
about the evolutionary value of not being judgmental.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You "Space Out"?

[Vaj]

On Sep 30, 2008, at 3:20 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:

> We become a living embodiment of pure consciousness, and then what
> is there to measure?

Sorry to break into your flake-fest here Ms. Enlightened--and not to  
belabor the point--but as long as the physical body remains you cannot  
negate the physical.

 From my POV "pure consciousness" is an illusion and construct  
projected into and onto awareness by the natural "refresh rate" of our  
neurons.

I don't make the mistake of thinking of it as "real" or even  
substantial.

> From the tops of our heads to the tips of our
> toes, we are pure consciousness, living and breathing. So we can
> measure absolutely anything about ourselves once having reached this
> state of grace, the Tao, pure consciousness revealed, and it shows
> us what?

Well presumably if you really had this "experience" you'd have had the  
experiential vision of all the experiences contained in the collective  
wheels of energies in the human microcosm.

Is that your claim?

> That the physical correlations to one established in infinity are
> infinite.

Oh puleeze. Save it for Oprah.

> If we are not established in the Tao, or Being, measuring the bodily
> operation of one who is offers us no help us at all. These attempts
> by scientists to discover physical correlates to one who is
> established in pure consciousness, in Being, only keep the mind
> busy, nothing more.

Ah, so you negate the physical. Another fundamental error in you View.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > First she should have a checking and meditate regularily for 
> > > > awhile. This will increase her creativity and her income so 
> > > > she will not have to BEG for free consultations. In the 
> > > > sorry state she seems to be in at the moment she does not  
> > > > deserve a reading from a "competent jyotishji".
> > > 
> > > Why do you come to the conclusion that this woman is in a sorry 
> > state, Nabby? Only because she's a friend of Rick's? 
> > 
> > Haha. Well that fact probably gives her a few grey hairs. More 
> > precisely I have little respect for someone who is living in a 
> > western country and is begging for a consultation.
> 
> And yet, just a few days ago, you were defending
> the guy who forwarded a "begging letter" to FFL
> asking people to send him to TTC. 

He is a monk, thats a different life altogether.

> 
> You said, in fact, that rather than criticize this
> guy, "You should rather rejoice finding that an age 
> old tradition of begging" has been re-established 
> in the West.

Yes. To support monks creates good karma for all involved, indeed.

> 
> So why is it that this guy, who has done nothing
> but beg money from other people for five years so 
> that he can sit on his ass as part of Purusha, 
> and who clearly is from the West, was worthy of 
> "rejoicing" over, whereas this woman is "in a 
> sorry state?"

She is a sorry looser out there in the realive world with all the 
possebilities of earning money, whereas the Purusha fellow will enjoy 
Heaven on Earth. He is not begging for a small gift but for support 
of an anscient tradition of renounciates. He begs out of strenght. 
Ricks friend begs out of weakness.
> 
> As a related topic, did you pay for every day you
> spent on Purusha yourself, or did you beg money
> from others to pay your way? If the latter, and
> given the fact that you are clearly from the West,
> why should we not take you at your word and consider
> YOU "in a sorry state?"

Yes this is a valid but twisted point from The Turq, as expected. 

The first 10 years on Purusha I paid by saved means. The two last 
years was payed for by a finnish investmentgroup. When travelling 
costs, and the costs of establishing new fascilities for learning in 
eastern-europe had to be covered by us I finally realized my work was 
done.
 
I was not as strong as the PURUSHA-GUY who appeared here recently 
begging for funds. Unfortunately I could never beg for money.

I simply went home to take care of my ailing mother. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> All spiritual realities are also in a sense fantasies e.g. Jesus 
taught the immanent coming of the Kingdom of God but of course that 
didn't happen.  But how real is this?  If you're, say, about to turn 
60 (as many are these days)...
> 
remember the old motto of MIU: "Knowledge is structured in 
consciousness"?

A saint's perspective is non-dual, so when they speak about Heaven 
walking on Earth in this generation, or the coming of the Kingdom of 
Heaven, they are talking about the universe as themselves. It -does- 
seem like fantasy from a dualistic awareness, but if the universe is 
all you, it is a perfectly natural and inspiring thing to say. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" < 

> Time to get out the checkbook Nabby and celebrate our freedom from
> capitalism as predicted by his Holiness. Down with
> capitalism so give me YOUR money.

Should i give  you a cent just because I followed Maharishis advice 
to buy gold ? Curtis, I'm afraid you are a greater fool than 
previously anticipated.

When 30.000 children are dying every day of hunger because of a 
rotten capitalistic system things will eventually have to change. 
Nature will not allow this to go on. 

The revolution is finally happening, right in front of your tired, 
distressed, disheartened, non-checked eyes. Welcome aboard to 
reality !

Capitalism is dying, it will be gone in a blink. Get used to the idea.

You don't like the idea of sacrifice, but the fact is that Maharishi 
was always and forever right.

"Now that communism is gone, the next to go is capitalism"
- Maharishi, Germany 1989

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[Rick Archer]

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[FairfieldLife] Lou Valentino's October Predictions

[Rick Archer]

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Let the other nations pitch in

[Bhairitu]

guyfawkes91 wrote:
>> Well, if that's the case, let THEM pitch in and send US the $700 
>> billion!
>>
>> 
> They already did, that is the central problem. They want their money
> back. 
>
> For a long time America has been living by borrowing money from the
> rest of the world. That has funded a real estate bubble and a stock
> market bubble. Banks around the world need to keep dollars because the
> dollar is the main trading currency. But if they have bank deposits
> they want to earn interest, so they buy T-bills or to get a better
> rate of return they buy mortgage backed securities. But the mortgages
> aren't worth what it says on the paper because people have been
> telling fibs about the value of the real estate and the income stream.
> So banks, US and foreign are sitting on lots of paper that might not
> be worth what it says it is. Now banks can lend money up to a multiple
> of their capital base. If a bank has capital of 10Bn then it can write
> loans and take deposits up to about 100bn. It needs that capital
> because banks borrow short and lend long, so if everyone turns up to
> ask for the money they've put in the bank they can't easily go and get
> it from the people they've lent money to. (Watch "It's a Wonderful
> Life", it explains it quite well). If they have assets they think are
> worth 100bn, but in fact they're only worth 90bn then they have to
> take a loss onto their books. If they take a loss of 10bn and they
> have only 10bn capital that wipes out their capital so they can't lend
> money.
>
> Banks lend money to each other overnight all the time to make sure
> that the books balance at the end of each day. But if there's a danger
> that the bank might not be in business next morning when the loan is
> due then you don't want to lend to them. But no one knows who might
> have these toxic securities on their books, so no one is sure that if
> they lend to another bank they will get their money back. If the loan
> can't be repaid then they have to take it as a loss, which could wipe
> out their own capital base. So the credit markets have seized up. The
> last time this happened was in the dark days of the 30's when so many
> banks went out of business that the US very nearly went back to
> barter. At one point so many banks were closed all over the place no
> one could cash a cheque for days on end. Effectively money had stopped
> working. That's why people who know their history are shitting
> themselves. 
>
> Think of it like a giant version of the TMO. The TMO has been living
> on donations from rich people for decades. These people have assumed
> that their money has been going to support pandits and teaching TM in
> India and other projects. When they find out that actually it's been
> used to buy mansions, and fund high living for Maharishi's family and
> the number of pandits seems to be a lot less than you might expect
> from the money that's gone into India, then they don't feel so much
> inclined to give money to the TMO. So the supply of money dries up and
> projects like the Smith Center in Kansas have to be mothballed. 
>
> Well it's like that with the rest of the world and America. The rest
> of the world has been putting their hard won cash into dollar assets,
> and now they find those assets aren't worth much. So they don't want
> to put their money in dollars assets anymore. But the American economy
> depends on other countries pumping money in to keep it afloat. Just
> like the TMO depends on rich people pumping money in. If it depended
> on earning its way in the world it wouldn't survive. Would you change
> dollars for Mahas if you knew that the TMO might not be able to honor
> the bill?
>
> The problem is that the rest of the world uses the dollar as its
> reserve currency and now they find it ain't worth what they thought it
> was. Serious stuff. 
What we need is a "reality based" economy not the voodoo economics of 
the last 30 years or so.  Very painful but that's what it should have 
been all along rather than ponzi schemes.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have a stompin' good time at Navaratri!

[Bhairitu]

Richard J. Williams wrote:
> Bhairitu wrote:
>   
>> Happy Navaratri, everyone.  
>>
>> 
> You're not very funny, Barry. But
> you and Curtis are very ghoulish 
> at times. What's up with that?
We have local rock concerts that are a bigger venue than that and no one 
gets stomped.  What's wrong with Indians?

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's All About Interest, stupid!'

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In the old days, the old Jewish Law...
> Was that you were not to charge interest on money lent.
> So, perhaps the grand days of interest on interest is gone, forever...
> People have wised up, on this Interest thing.
> Interest on interest started with during the 'Reagan Years', and MBA
mentality
> Learning skilled ways of charging interest on interest...
> Interest...but whose interest, my house, your house, their houses.
> Why can't we lend money for no interest...how would that work.
> This is what we have done with the Banks, we loan them money at no
interest.
> This is what we do with the Saudi's, we give them money with no
interest.
> This is what we do with the military, we give them money with no
interest.
> ~It's All About Interest, Stupid!
> R.G.>>

You also were not supposed to lend out 120 times what you own. Most of
the banks would take $1 that they owned, lend it out 120 times to 120
people. If the interest charged in one year was only 5%, then the profit
would be $6 on the dollar, per year, if everyone paid. So you could make
$5 a year for every dollar you owned.
So if you have $1 million you could make at $5 million a year on 5%
interest only. And all you have to is sit on your ass and pay fairly low
wages to maybe 1 or 2 people for every $1 million loaned. For you to
lose, you would have to have 75% of the people default on the loan
before you are not making money.
Jeezus !that can't be right...must have screwed up the math !...or
maybe we should start a bank !

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let the other nations pitch in

[guyfawkes91]

> Well, if that's the case, let THEM pitch in and send US the $700 
> billion!
> 
They already did, that is the central problem. They want their money
back. 

For a long time America has been living by borrowing money from the
rest of the world. That has funded a real estate bubble and a stock
market bubble. Banks around the world need to keep dollars because the
dollar is the main trading currency. But if they have bank deposits
they want to earn interest, so they buy T-bills or to get a better
rate of return they buy mortgage backed securities. But the mortgages
aren't worth what it says on the paper because people have been
telling fibs about the value of the real estate and the income stream.
So banks, US and foreign are sitting on lots of paper that might not
be worth what it says it is. Now banks can lend money up to a multiple
of their capital base. If a bank has capital of 10Bn then it can write
loans and take deposits up to about 100bn. It needs that capital
because banks borrow short and lend long, so if everyone turns up to
ask for the money they've put in the bank they can't easily go and get
it from the people they've lent money to. (Watch "It's a Wonderful
Life", it explains it quite well). If they have assets they think are
worth 100bn, but in fact they're only worth 90bn then they have to
take a loss onto their books. If they take a loss of 10bn and they
have only 10bn capital that wipes out their capital so they can't lend
money.

Banks lend money to each other overnight all the time to make sure
that the books balance at the end of each day. But if there's a danger
that the bank might not be in business next morning when the loan is
due then you don't want to lend to them. But no one knows who might
have these toxic securities on their books, so no one is sure that if
they lend to another bank they will get their money back. If the loan
can't be repaid then they have to take it as a loss, which could wipe
out their own capital base. So the credit markets have seized up. The
last time this happened was in the dark days of the 30's when so many
banks went out of business that the US very nearly went back to
barter. At one point so many banks were closed all over the place no
one could cash a cheque for days on end. Effectively money had stopped
working. That's why people who know their history are shitting
themselves. 

Think of it like a giant version of the TMO. The TMO has been living
on donations from rich people for decades. These people have assumed
that their money has been going to support pandits and teaching TM in
India and other projects. When they find out that actually it's been
used to buy mansions, and fund high living for Maharishi's family and
the number of pandits seems to be a lot less than you might expect
from the money that's gone into India, then they don't feel so much
inclined to give money to the TMO. So the supply of money dries up and
projects like the Smith Center in Kansas have to be mothballed. 

Well it's like that with the rest of the world and America. The rest
of the world has been putting their hard won cash into dollar assets,
and now they find those assets aren't worth much. So they don't want
to put their money in dollars assets anymore. But the American economy
depends on other countries pumping money in to keep it afloat. Just
like the TMO depends on rich people pumping money in. If it depended
on earning its way in the world it wouldn't survive. Would you change
dollars for Mahas if you knew that the TMO might not be able to honor
the bill?

The problem is that the rest of the world uses the dollar as its
reserve currency and now they find it ain't worth what they thought it
was. Serious stuff. 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks

[Jonathan Chadwick]

All spiritual realities are also in a sense fantasies e.g. Jesus taught the 
immanent coming of the Kingdom of God but of course that didn't happen.  But 
how real is this?  If you're, say, about to turn 60 (as many are these days)...

--- On Tue, 9/30/08, do.rflex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: do.rflex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:34 PM






--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .> 
wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > Comments from a wealthy friend of mine:
> >
> >
> >
> > It's interesting reading this below how Maharishi was the one who was
> more
> > tight with money than anyone I've ever known. I never saw him giving
> > anything to anyone, except maybe Tony Nader where he made that public
> > display of giving his weight in gold, but that was no doubt donated at
> his
> > request. He was only asking for more money all time even though he
> > controlled probably more than a billion, yet he upbraids others for
> lack of
> > generosity and compassion. What he writes below displays a lack of
> > understanding for bankers, who are just business people, like any
> other kind
> > of business. If bankers are to give away their profits, then why not
> > businesses of all types, which certainly is a good idea to give to
> charity
> > and help others, which he never did on any material level. His
> fantasy
> > about all the world's probem's being solved in "the Age of
> Enlightenment" or
> > Sat yuga, which he spoke of since we were kids and for which he claims
> > credit, along with Guru Dev, continues to be shown to be just that, a
> > fantasy. It's surprising with such a brilliant mind and such wisdom
> of the
> > Vedas he had these unusual quirks.
> >
> > In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with his
> > poverty removal program...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 19 June, during the Conference on Removal of Poverty broadcast live
> by
> > satellite and the Internet from the Financial Capital of New York,
> Maharishi
> > gave a strong message to the banks and financial institutions of the
> world.
> >
> >
> 
> 
> This is the telling statement for me:
> 
> "When you are on the path of God-realization, that path will not bring
> you suffering. And, if the path to God-realization brings suffering, it
> is not the path of God-realization; it is not a religion."
> 
> MMY
> 
> I understand the theory, but looking at meditators, in practice whew!
> 
> 
> 
> JohnY

How many of those meditators you mention are really devoted to God?

 














  

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > Comments from a wealthy friend of mine:
> >
> >
> >
> > It's interesting reading this below how Maharishi was the one who was
> more
> > tight with money than anyone I've ever known.  I never saw him giving
> > anything to anyone, except maybe Tony Nader where he made that public
> > display of giving his weight in gold, but that was no doubt donated at
> his
> > request.  He was only asking for more money all time even though he
> > controlled probably more than a billion, yet he upbraids others for
> lack of
> > generosity and compassion.  What he writes below displays a lack of
> > understanding for bankers, who are just business people, like any
> other kind
> > of business.  If bankers are to give away their profits, then why not
> > businesses of all types, which certainly is a good idea to give to
> charity
> > and help others, which he never did on any material level.  His
> fantasy
> > about all the world's probem's being solved in "the Age of
> Enlightenment" or
> > Sat yuga, which he spoke of since we were kids and for which he claims
> > credit, along with Guru Dev, continues to be shown to be just that, a
> > fantasy.  It's surprising with such a brilliant mind and such wisdom
> of the
> > Vedas he had these unusual quirks.
> >
> > In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with his
> > poverty removal program...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 19 June, during the Conference on Removal of Poverty broadcast live
> by
> > satellite and the Internet from the Financial Capital of New York,
> Maharishi
> > gave a strong message to the banks and financial institutions of the
> world.
> >
> >
> 
> 
> This is the telling statement for me:
> 
> "When you are on the path of God-realization, that path will not bring
> you suffering. And, if the path to God-realization brings suffering, it
> is not the path of God-realization; it is not a religion."
> 
> MMY
> 
> I understand the theory, but looking at meditators, in practice whew!
> 
> 
> 
> JohnY


How many of those meditators you mention are really devoted to God?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin Interview Generator

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
> 
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Alex Stanley
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:49 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sarah Palin Interview Generator
> 
>  
> 
> > http://interviewpalin.com/
> 
> Are these things she actually said? If so, they've cherry-picked the
> sentences. She couldn't have said them all contiguously, could she?

http://interviewpalin.com/about

"This site is a parody. The answers are computer generated based on
probabilities calculated from Sarah Palin's actual speech."

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Comments from a wealthy friend of mine:
>
>
>
> It's interesting reading this below how Maharishi was the one who was
more
> tight with money than anyone I've ever known.  I never saw him giving
> anything to anyone, except maybe Tony Nader where he made that public
> display of giving his weight in gold, but that was no doubt donated at
his
> request.  He was only asking for more money all time even though he
> controlled probably more than a billion, yet he upbraids others for
lack of
> generosity and compassion.  What he writes below displays a lack of
> understanding for bankers, who are just business people, like any
other kind
> of business.  If bankers are to give away their profits, then why not
> businesses of all types, which certainly is a good idea to give to
charity
> and help others, which he never did on any material level.  His
fantasy
> about all the world's probem's being solved in "the Age of
Enlightenment" or
> Sat yuga, which he spoke of since we were kids and for which he claims
> credit, along with Guru Dev, continues to be shown to be just that, a
> fantasy.  It's surprising with such a brilliant mind and such wisdom
of the
> Vedas he had these unusual quirks.
>
> In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with his
> poverty removal program...
>
>
>
>
> On 19 June, during the Conference on Removal of Poverty broadcast live
by
> satellite and the Internet from the Financial Capital of New York,
Maharishi
> gave a strong message to the banks and financial institutions of the
world.
>
>


This is the telling statement for me:

"When you are on the path of God-realization, that path will not bring
you suffering. And, if the path to God-realization brings suffering, it
is not the path of God-realization; it is not a religion."

MMY

I understand the theory, but looking at meditators, in practice whew!



JohnY

[FairfieldLife] Re: Have a stompin' good time at Navaratri!

[Richard J. Williams]

Bhairitu wrote:
> Happy Navaratri, everyone.  
>
You're not very funny, Barry. But
you and Curtis are very ghoulish 
at times. What's up with that?

RE: [FairfieldLife] Sarah Palin Interview Generator

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Alex Stanley
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:49 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sarah Palin Interview Generator

 

http://interviewpalin.com/

Are these things she actually said? If so, they've cherry-picked the
sentences. She couldn't have said them all contiguously, could she?

[FairfieldLife] Let the other nations pitch in

[shempmcgurk]

I keep hearing in the MSM over and over again how this economic crisis 
will affect economies and markets all over the world if WE don't do 
something.

Well, if that's the case, let THEM pitch in and send US the $700 
billion!

The United States is ALWAYS there to bail out other nations so now they 
can dig deep into THEIR pockets and come up with some scratch.

[FairfieldLife] Die Obama Fahne hoch!

[Richard J. Williams]

Die Obama Fahne hoch!
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/129137.html

Hope and change. Change and hope.
Hope and change. Change and hope.
Hope and change. Change and hope.
Change and hope. Hope and change.
Change and hope. Hope and change.
Change and hope. Hope and change.
Hope and change. Change and hope.
Hope and change. Change and hope.
Hope and change. Change and hope.
Change and hope. Hope and change.
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Hope and change. Change and hope.
Change and hope. Hope and change.
Change and hope. Hope and change.
Change and hope. Hope and change.
Hope and change. Change and hope.
Hope and change. Change and hope.
Hope and change. Change and hope.
Chope and chope. Chope and chope.
Chope and change. Hope and chope.
Chope and chope.
Change.
Hope.
Chope!

[FairfieldLife] Sarah Palin Interview Generator

[Alex Stanley]

http://interviewpalin.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You "Space Out"?

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:58 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> > 
> > > how many measurements would you like to take? Since Pure
> > > Consciousness is unmanifest(we are talking about -pure 
consciousness-
> > >  aren't we?), all that we can measure with instruments is one 
or
> > > another particular correlates of pure consciousness, and since 
the
> > > state of pure consciousness as experienced by the awareness is
> > > continuous and without boundaries, beyond time and space, which
> > > correlate do you want to measure? It is a waste of time if you 
ask
> > > me.
> > 
> > 
> > Even if you believe "pure consciousness" is unmanifest, it still 
has  
> > to interact with a relative human nervous system.
> >
> 
> If it were unmanifest, how could it "interact?"
> 
> The physiological correlates are of a state of consciousness that 
is
> sometimes called "pure conscousness." Whether or not this has 
anything to 
> do with some universal "unmanifest" state is of course, impossible 
to say,
> any more than you can prove that miracles are caused by God rather 
than
> merely by some higher order creature who can manipulate reality in 
ways
> we don't understand.
> 
> Lawson
>
Pure consciousness needs a vehicle through which to manifest itself, 
express itself. Our mission (should we choose to accept it...) is to 
uncover that pure consciousness, the Tao, the flow, grace, Being, so 
that our awareness reflects it at all times; we become ourselves, 
our universal essence. 

We become a living embodiment of pure consciousness, and then what 
is there to measure? From the tops of our heads to the tips of our 
toes, we are pure consciousness, living and breathing. So we can 
measure absolutely anything about ourselves once having reached this 
state of grace, the Tao, pure consciousness revealed, and it shows 
us what? 

That the physical correlations to one established in infinity are 
infinite.

If we are not established in the Tao, or Being, measuring the bodily 
operation of one who is offers us no help us at all. These attempts 
by scientists to discover physical correlates to one who is 
established in pure consciousness, in Being, only keep the mind 
busy, nothing more. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: State of American Writing

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > To All:
> > > 
> > > This may be an opinion by a one guy.  But the opinion is food 
> > > for thought as to what Americans are writing about.
> > 
> > Gotta agree with the gentleman. Toni Morrison
> > was a good choice, but name me even one American
> > writing today who is in the same class as Orhan
> > Pamuk or Doris Lessing or Harold Pinter or V.S.
> > Naipaul or Gunter Grass.
> 
> George W. Bush is the greatest story teller in the last decade.  


I will assume that this is ironic.  :-)

However, just to create a sense of contrast, and
of possibilities, there is one winner of the Nobel
Prize for Literature who was also a politician, Sir
Winston Churchill, "for his mastery of historical 
and biographical description as well as for bril-
liant oratory in defending exalted human values."


> > The Nobel Prize for 
> > Literature is a "lifetime achievement" award,
> > and never for a single book. It is also meant
> > to reward "the most outstanding work of an 
> > idealistic tendency."
> > 
> > I'm sorry, but American writers rarely create
> > a consistently excellent body of work, and their
> > tendency to be self-absorbed and whine tends to
> > render the writers devoid of ideals, compared
> > to writers in other parts of the world.
> > 
> > Besides, two of the recent winners listed my 
> > favorite author as their favorite author, so
> > that raises them up higher in my estimation
> > than the prize does.  :-)
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Nobel literature chief: US writing too 'insular' 1 hour, 17 
> minutes 
> > > ago
> > >  
> > > STOCKHOLM, Sweden - The man who announces the Nobel Prize in 
> > > literature says the United States is too "insular" and ignorant 
> to 
> > > compete with Europe when it comes to great writing. 
> > >  
> > > In an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, Horace 
> Engdahl 
> > > said Tuesday that "Europe still is the center of the literary 
> > > world."
> > > 
> > > Engdahl is the permanent secretary of the Swedish Academy, which 
> > > selects the literature prize winner. He is expected to announce 
> the 
> > > winner in the coming weeks.
> > > 
> > > Engdahl says the U.S. "is too isolated, too insular" and doesn't 
> > > really "participate in the big dialogue of literature."
> > > 
> > > Since Japanese poet Kenzaburo Oe won in 1994, the selections have 
> > > had a distinct European flavor. The last American winner was Toni 
> > > Morrison in 1993.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: State of American Writing

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > To All:
> > 
> > This may be an opinion by a one guy.  But the opinion is food for 
> > thought as to what Americans are writing about.
> 
> Gotta agree with the gentleman. Toni Morrison
> was a good choice, but name me even one American
> writing today who is in the same class as Orhan
> Pamuk or Doris Lessing or Harold Pinter or V.S.
> Naipaul or Gunter Grass.

George W. Bush is the greatest story teller in the last decade.  







 The Nobel Prize for 
> Literature is a "lifetime achievement" award,
> and never for a single book. It is also meant
> to reward "the most outstanding work of an 
> idealistic tendency."
> 
> I'm sorry, but American writers rarely create
> a consistently excellent body of work, and their
> tendency to be self-absorbed and whine tends to
> render the writers devoid of ideals, compared
> to writers in other parts of the world.
> 
> Besides, two of the recent winners listed my 
> favorite author as their favorite author, so
> that raises them up higher in my estimation
> than the prize does.  :-)
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Nobel literature chief: US writing too 'insular' 1 hour, 17 
minutes 
> > ago
> >  
> > STOCKHOLM, Sweden - The man who announces the Nobel Prize in 
> > literature says the United States is too "insular" and ignorant 
to 
> > compete with Europe when it comes to great writing. 
> >  
> > In an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, Horace 
Engdahl 
> > said Tuesday that "Europe still is the center of the literary 
> > world."
> > 
> > Engdahl is the permanent secretary of the Swedish Academy, which 
> > selects the literature prize winner. He is expected to announce 
the 
> > winner in the coming weeks.
> > 
> > Engdahl says the U.S. "is too isolated, too insular" and doesn't 
> > really "participate in the big dialogue of literature."
> > 
> > Since Japanese poet Kenzaburo Oe won in 1994, the selections have 
> > had a distinct European flavor. The last American winner was Toni 
> > Morrison in 1993.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: State of American Writing

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> To All:
> 
> This may be an opinion by a one guy.  But the opinion is food for 
> thought as to what Americans are writing about.

Gotta agree with the gentleman. Toni Morrison
was a good choice, but name me even one American
writing today who is in the same class as Orhan
Pamuk or Doris Lessing or Harold Pinter or V.S.
Naipaul or Gunter Grass. The Nobel Prize for 
Literature is a "lifetime achievement" award,
and never for a single book. It is also meant
to reward "the most outstanding work of an 
idealistic tendency."

I'm sorry, but American writers rarely create
a consistently excellent body of work, and their
tendency to be self-absorbed and whine tends to
render the writers devoid of ideals, compared
to writers in other parts of the world.

Besides, two of the recent winners listed my 
favorite author as their favorite author, so
that raises them up higher in my estimation
than the prize does.  :-)

> 
> 
> Nobel literature chief: US writing too 'insular' 1 hour, 17 minutes 
> ago
>  
> STOCKHOLM, Sweden - The man who announces the Nobel Prize in 
> literature says the United States is too "insular" and ignorant to 
> compete with Europe when it comes to great writing. 
>  
> In an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, Horace Engdahl 
> said Tuesday that "Europe still is the center of the literary 
> world."
> 
> Engdahl is the permanent secretary of the Swedish Academy, which 
> selects the literature prize winner. He is expected to announce the 
> winner in the coming weeks.
> 
> Engdahl says the U.S. "is too isolated, too insular" and doesn't 
> really "participate in the big dialogue of literature."
> 
> Since Japanese poet Kenzaburo Oe won in 1994, the selections have 
> had a distinct European flavor. The last American winner was Toni 
> Morrison in 1993.

Re: [FairfieldLife] State of American Writing

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 30, 2008, at 1:32 PM, John wrote:


To All:

This may be an opinion by a one guy.  But the opinion is food for
thought as to what Americans are writing about.



Nobel literature chief: US writing too 'insular' 1 hour, 17 minutes  
ago



STOCKHOLM, Sweden - The man who announces the Nobel Prize in
literature says the United States is too "insular" and ignorant to  
compete with Europe when it comes to great writing.


He obviously hasn't read FF Life...

Sal

[FairfieldLife] State of American Writing

[John]

To All:

This may be an opinion by a one guy.  But the opinion is food for 
thought as to what Americans are writing about.



Nobel literature chief: US writing too 'insular' 1 hour, 17 minutes 
ago
 


STOCKHOLM, Sweden - The man who announces the Nobel Prize in 
literature says the United States is too "insular" and ignorant to 
compete with Europe when it comes to great writing. 
 
In an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, Horace Engdahl 
said Tuesday that "Europe still is the center of the literary world."

Engdahl is the permanent secretary of the Swedish Academy, which 
selects the literature prize winner. He is expected to announce the 
winner in the coming weeks.

Engdahl says the U.S. "is too isolated, too insular" and doesn't 
really "participate in the big dialogue of literature."

Since Japanese poet Kenzaburo Oe won in 1994, the selections have had 
a distinct European flavor. The last American winner was Toni 
Morrison in 1993.

[FairfieldLife] Ed Beckley is responsible for the current economic crisis

[shempmcgurk]

Of course.

"No money down" is the essence of sub-prime lending.

Beckley started it all 20-odd years ago.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of do.rflex
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 11:35 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks
> 
>  
> 
> What year did he write the SOB? 
> 
> 1963


Thanks, Rick.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of do.rflex
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 11:35 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks

 

What year did he write the SOB? 

1963

[FairfieldLife] Another example of Republican fiscal conservatism

[do.rflex]

Image: http://tinyurl.com/4rojuy 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's All About Interest, stupid!'

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  wrote:
> 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > And drugs, Man. They should be free. Like not just legal, but free.
> > Pursuit of happiness man. Its right there in the constitution. 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> 
> Is "pursuit of happiness" also in the constitution?
> 
> I thought it was in the Declaration of Independence.  Not sure, but I 
> don't think the Declaration of Independence has any constitutional 
> effect.
>

Guiding principle/common law, I think. Insomuch as something is not
explicit in the COnstitution, but is in the Declaration of Independence
I think it is used to guide how the Constitution is interpreted.

MIght be wrong, though.

Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: A primer on medical studies

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Moral of the story: pre-vitamins are not 
> > drugs. If they had taken the supplements
> > along with a bit of naturally occurring 
>  beta-carotene as found in fruits or carrots 
> > or whatever, I wonder what would have happened? 
> > Its entirely possible that the 
> > body can't process the substance properly as 
> > a pure chemical and needs other 
> > chemicals for it to be beneficial.

Beta carotene is fat soluble, and the needed "other chemical" is fat.
However, current dietary dogmas are low-fat and wrong-fat, with
emphasis on avoiding saturated fat and favoring inflammatory, highly
peroxidizable polyunsaturated fat. 
 
> This is my problem with most research on 
> natural healthcare. The studies are poorly 
> designed. I recall research on echinacea 
> some years back which concluded that echinacea 
> was ineffective in treating or preventing colds. 
> But it turns out there are three varieties of 
> echinacea, and the researchers chose the one 
> strain that the natural healing community 
> already knows is ineffective. 

Another tactic used by researchers to discredit natural supplements is
to test with small amounts that are insufficient to have any effect.
The mainstream media then issues a screaming headline, "Study Finds
Supplement X is Ineffective", and the dumbed-down public accepts it
without question.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's All About Interest, stupid!'

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


[snip]

> And drugs, Man. They should be free. Like not just legal, but free.
> Pursuit of happiness man. Its right there in the constitution. 

[snip]


Is "pursuit of happiness" also in the constitution?

I thought it was in the Declaration of Independence.  Not sure, but I 
don't think the Declaration of Independence has any constitutional 
effect.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Smell of Socialism

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Barack Obama's Stealth Socialism
> Election '08: Before friendly audiences, Barack Obama speaks
> passionately about something called "economic justice." He uses the term
> obliquely, though, speaking in code � socialist code.
> 

You know, for someone who claims to be a Hillary supporter, you sure are
down on Hillary-esque themes like universal health care and taxing the wealthy
to help the not-so.


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: A primer on medical studies

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Moral of the story: pre-vitamins are not 
> > drugs. If they had taken the supplements
> > along with a bit of naturally occurring 
>  beta-carotene as found in fruits or carrots 
> > or whatever, I wonder what would have happened? 
> > Its entirely possible that the 
> > body can't process the substance properly as 
> > a pure chemical and needs other 
> > chemicals for it to be beneficial.
> 
> This is my problem with most research on 
> natural healthcare. The studies are poorly 
> designed. I recall research on echinacea 
> some years back which concluded that echinacea 
> was ineffective in treating or preventing colds. 
> But it turns out there are three varieties of 
> echinacea, and the researchers chose the one 
> strain that the natural healing community 
> already knows is ineffective. 
> 
> The real point of this article was to tout 
> longitudinal studies with large populations. 
> When I used to teach TM, I was instructed to 
> present the preliminary TM research as just 
> that - indicative that larger studies would 
> be worthwhile.
>

Problem is that most healthcare studies are oriented towards food-as drugs
or whatever-else-as-drug.

TM lends itself somewhat to such studies because it is a standalone technique
but most natural healthcare systems are not that way, and of course, TM's
effects are said to be enhanced by the rest of yogic practice, diet, etc.

Drug studies are modeled after pure physics which is a lousy model for studying
a complex non-linear system like the human body.

Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?

[curtisdeltablues]

More > precisely I have little respect for someone who is living in a
western > country and is begging for a consultation.
>

She is just celebrating the "end of capitalism" that Maharishi was
always crowing about.  You should pay for her Nabby.  That is what
anti-capitalism means, you get to pay for other people. 

So time to put your money where your Guru's mouth is Nabby and pay up!
 She has less than you so it is time to redistribute the wealth in our
anti-capitalist enlightened society.  From you to her.

I have already contributed a "free" date that is absolutely wonderful
in every way.  February 23rd.  So I have made my socialist
contribution to her cause.

Time to get out the checkbook Nabby and celebrate our freedom from
capitalism as predicted by his Holiness the billionaire. Down with
capitalism so give me YOUR money.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > First she should have a checking and meditate regularily for awhile. 
> > This will increase her creativity and her income so she will not have 
> > to BEG for free consultations. In the sorry state she seems to be in 
> at the moment she does not  deserve a reading from a "competent 
> jyotishji".
> > 
> > Why do you come to the conclusion that this woman is in a sorry 
> state, Nabby? Only because she's a friend of Rick's? 
> 
> Haha. Well that fact probably gives her a few grey hairs. More 
> precisely I have little respect for someone who is living in a western 
> country and is begging for a consultation.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?

[TurquoiseB]

> > > First she should have a checking and meditate regularily for 
> > > awhile. This will increase her creativity and her income so 
> > > she will not have to BEG for free consultations. In the 
> > > sorry state she seems to be in at the moment she does not  
> > > deserve a reading from a "competent jyotishji".
> > 
> > Why do you come to the conclusion that this woman is in a sorry 
> state, Nabby? Only because she's a friend of Rick's? 
> 
> Haha. Well that fact probably gives her a few grey hairs. More 
> precisely I have little respect for someone who is living in a 
> western country and is begging for a consultation.

And yet, just a few days ago, you were defending
the guy who forwarded a "begging letter" to FFL
asking people to send him to TTC. 

You said, in fact, that rather than criticize this
guy, "You should rather rejoice finding that an age 
old tradition of begging" has been re-established 
in the West.

So why is it that this guy, who has done nothing
but beg money from other people for five years so 
that he can sit on his ass as part of Purusha, 
and who clearly is from the West, was worthy of 
"rejoicing" over, whereas this woman is "in a 
sorry state?"

I consider them *both* in sorry states, first for
believing in the things the things they think will
make them happy, and second for being unwilling to 
pay for these  themselves. But I'd like to know 
why you consider one superior to the other.

As a related topic, did you pay for every day you
spent on Purusha yourself, or did you beg money
from others to pay your way? If the latter, and
given the fact that you are clearly from the West,
why should we not take you at your word and consider
YOU "in a sorry state?"

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 30, 2008, at 11:34 AM, do.rflex wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


On Sep 30, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Rick Archer wrote:


In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with
his poverty removal program...



(Very long trim...)

One thing you have to say for MMY...he never was at
a loss for words.

Sal



What year did he write the SOB? Seems he was into money from the
beginning...


"Certainly the times are fast changing, and the day is not far off
when political consciousness will be replaced by economic
consciousness. Economics has already begun to influence the destiny of
politics in many countries."

~~ Maharishi, Science of Being and Art of Living

Quote found at Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/4ouym8


I never could make it through that one either.

Maybe someday someone will come up with a Cliff's
Notes version...SOB for Dummies, or something.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Maharishi just wanted to get as much money as possible. Why is beyond me. 
> He'd say 
anything to separate someone or some institution from its money. All this below 
shows such 
a poor understanding of financial institutions.

Not really. Banks make (create) money that they loan at interest.

That's all a bank really is: a money-MAKE-ing institution. Mints print, banks 
make.


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Congratulations, Corporate Crime Fighters! Coup Averted for Three Days! ...from Michael Moore

[Bhairitu]

Friends,

Everyone said the bill would pass. The masters of the universe were 
already making celebratory dinner reservations at Manhattan's finest 
restaurants. Personal shoppers in Dallas and Atlanta were dispatched to 
do the early Christmas gifting. Mad Men of Chicago and Miami were 
popping corks and toasting each other long before the morning latte run.

But what they didn't know was that hundreds of thousands of Americans 
woke up yesterday morning and decided it was time for revolt. The 
politicians never saw it coming. Millions of phone calls and emails hit 
Congress so hard it was as if Marshall Dillon, Elliot Ness and Dog the 
Bounty Hunter had descended on D.C. to stop the looting and arrest the 
thieves.

The Corporate Crime of the Century was halted by a vote of 228 to 205. 
It was rare and historic; no one could remember a time when a bill 
supported by the president and the leadership of both parties went down 
in defeat. That just never happens.

A lot of people are wondering why the right wing of the Republican Party 
joined with the left wing of the Democratic Party in voting down the 
thievery. Forty percent of Democrats and two-thirds of Republicans voted 
against the bill.

Here's what happened:

The presidential race may still be close in the polls, but the 
Congressional races are pointing toward a landslide for the Democrats. 
Few dispute the prediction that the Republicans are in for a whoopin' on 
November 4th. Up to 30 Republican House seats could be lost in what 
would be a stunning repudiation of their agenda.

The Republican reps are so scared of losing their seats, when this 
"financial crisis" reared its head two weeks ago, they realized they had 
just been handed their one and only chance to separate themselves from 
Bush before the election, while doing something that would make them 
look like they were on the side of "the people."

Watching C-Span yesterday morning was one of the best comedy shows I'd 
seen in ages. There they were, one Republican after another who had 
backed the war and sunk the country into record debt, who had voted to 
kill every regulation that would have kept Wall Street in check -- there 
they were, now crying foul and standing up for the little guy! One after 
another, they stood at the microphone on the House floor and threw Bush 
under the bus, under the train (even though they had voted to kill off 
our nation's trains, too), heck, they would've thrown him under the 
rising waters of the Lower Ninth Ward if they could've conjured up 
another hurricane. You know how your dog acts when sprayed by a skunk? 
He howls and runs around trying to shake it off, rubbing and rolling 
himself on every piece of your carpet, trying to get rid of the stench. 
That's what it looked like on the Republican side of the aisle 
yesterday, and it was a sight to behold.

The 95 brave Dems who broke with Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were the 
real heroes, just like those few who stood up and voted against the war 
in October of 2002. Watch the remarks from yesterday of Reps. Marcy 
Kaptur ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S27yitK32ds ), Sheila Jackson 
Lee ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwysnA7ZmE8 ) and Dennis Kucinich ( 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaF_MZVWM3E ). They spoke the truth.

The Dems who voted for the giveaway did so mostly because they were 
scared by the threats of Wall Street, that if the rich didn't get their 
handout, the market would go nuts and then it's bye-bye stock-based 
pension and retirement funds.

And guess what? That's exactly what Wall Street did! The largest, 
single-day drop in the Dow in the history of the New York Stock 
exchange. The news anchors last night screamed it out: Americans just 
lost 1.2 trillion dollars in the stock market!! It's a financial Pearl 
Harbor! The sky is falling! Bird flu! Killer Bees!

Of course, sane people know that nobody "lost" anything yesterday, that 
stocks go up and down and this too shall pass because the rich will now 
buy low, hold, then sell off, then buy low again.

But for now, Wall Street and its propaganda arm (the networks and media 
it owns) will continue to try and scare the bejesus out of you. It will 
be harder to get a loan. Some people will lose their jobs. A weak nation 
of wimps won't last long under this torture. Or will we? Is this our 
line in the sand?

Here's my guess: The Democratic leadership in the House secretly hoped 
all along that this lousy bill would go down. With Bush's proposals 
shredded, the Dems knew they could then write their own bill that favors 
the average American, not the upper 10% who were hoping for another 
kegger of gold.

So the ball is in the Democrats' hands. The gun from Wall Street remains 
at their head. Before they make their next move, let me tell you what 
the media kept silent about while this bill was being debated:

1. The bailout bill had NO enforcement provisions for the so-called 
oversight group that was going to monitor Wall Street

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> First she should have a checking and meditate regularily for awhile. 
> This will increase her creativity and her income so she will not have 
> to BEG for free consultations. In the sorry state she seems to be in 
at the moment she does not  deserve a reading from a "competent 
jyotishji".
> 
> Why do you come to the conclusion that this woman is in a sorry 
state, Nabby? Only because she's a friend of Rick's? 

Haha. Well that fact probably gives her a few grey hairs. More 
precisely I have little respect for someone who is living in a western 
country and is begging for a consultation.

[FairfieldLife] palin and dinosaurs

[boo_lives]

'Soon after Sarah Palin was elected mayor of the foothill town of
Wasilla, Alaska, she startled a local music teacher by insisting in
casual conversation that men and dinosaurs coexisted on an Earth
created 6,000 years ago -- about 65 million years after scientists say
most dinosaurs became extinct -- the teacher said.'

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palinreligion28-2008sep28,0,3643718.story?track=rss

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You "Space Out"?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> 
> > 
> > http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/reprint/44/2/133.pdf
> > 
> > 
> > Whether or not this is "real" pure consciousness or not, who can say?
> > 
> > 
> > Lawson
> >
> 
> Yup, that is the bottom line.  All we know is that some transcendental
> meditators suspend breathing for a period of time, most for some
> seconds and one person for an entire minute and there is a correlation
> with a mental experience they describe as "pure consciousness." These
> brief holding periods were not extensive and even untrained healthy
> people can hold their breath for up to a minute.  Because the time
> periods of apnea were not long, I am not surprised to see no adverse
> or compensatory effects.  
> 
> I would note:CO2 will accumulate after a period of time. 
> Hyperventilating before holding your breath can minimize that, purging
> CO2.  So, were the meditators doing breathing exercises before their
> meditation session?   If not, it would be an interesting experiment to
> see if those doing the breathing exercises first had longer breath
> suspensions. 
> 
> It would be interesting to read accounts of divers who are experienced
> at apnea.  What kind of mental experiences do they have?
>

Don't know, but your comment on CO2 is spot on. Kesterson (another pure 
consciousness researcher) found that there was no sign of reduced O2 
consumption during those periods, but there WERE signs of slightly increased 
CO2 levels.

He speculated that whatever state of consciousness was induced by meditation 
practice (remember, these were *spontaneous* breath suspensions) was slightly
changing CO2 sensitivity as a side effect of the state of consciousness. IOW, 
the
significance of the breath suspension was that it was merely an obvious side 
effect
of the altered state, not some profound mystical correlation with the universe
or something.

Now, yogic tradition holds that some breath exercises may induce samadhi, and
perhaps for something of the same reason, but again, its held to be a 
*spontaneous*
phenomenon, rather than some attempt to stop breathing. The breathing exercise
might not even directly alter CO2 sensitivity, but alter some neurological 
pattern 
in the libmic system, setting up up the same inhibitory feedback loops in the
thalamus that TM is thought to. Or.. t might be some combination of CO2 
sensitivity and related neural functioning that induces this situation.


BTW, in the most extreme case in that study, the breath suspensions were up 
to a minute, and the total breath suspension state was more than 50% of the 
total
meditation time. That should be seen as somewhat unusual, given there was little
or no compensatory breathing afterwards and that the subjects were all in good
 health.


Another point or so to keep in mind: 

measurement of airflow indicates that they were not holding their breath
and that here was  still a 1-2 hz respiration rate with exceedingly reduced
breath flow.

My own belief: the diaphram relaxes during this time (as evidenced by a 
slow inhalation over the entire "suspension" period in another study), while 
the beating of the heart against the lungs creates enough compression/
decompression to cause air flow at the observed rate.

Yogic tradition holds that someone "enlghtened" can remain in this state 
indefinitely while meditating. Given the above minute respiration, I don't see 
this claim as implausible.

Recall that it is the *state of consciousness* that is supposed to be the
important thing here. Travis' model (taken, perhaps, from Austin's model in his
books about the physiology of Zen) predicts that TM induces feedback loops
that inhibit the free flow of data from the senses through the thalamus to the
cortex and from the cortex through the thalamus BACK into the cortex.

IOW, a state of "no thought" as understood by many Western physiologists.

At the same time, the brain remains in an alert state, so all that is going on
is normal alpha EEG restful alertness activity, but on a very large scale. 
Since 
the neurons of the brain are always attempting to optimize their connectivity
regardless of what state of consciousness someone is in, samadhi can be seen
as large scale optimization of the brain in an alert state without sensory or 
mental
content. 

The primary place where this optimization seems to take place is in the frontal
lobes, which is where we get our sense of "self," so the meditator's impression 
that  this state  is "pure self" is not unexpected. The finding that this 
idling state 
in the frontal lobes can persist in outside of meditation in long-term 
meditators 
can certainly explain why they claim to have an omnipresent Self that is not 
overwhelmed by daily activity. 

Fun stuff.


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On Sep 30, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> > In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with  
> > his poverty removal program...
> 
> 
> (Very long trim...)
> 
> One thing you have to say for MMY...he never was at
> a loss for words.
> 
> Sal


What year did he write the SOB? Seems he was into money from the
beginning...


"Certainly the times are fast changing, and the day is not far off
when political consciousness will be replaced by economic
consciousness. Economics has already begun to influence the destiny of
politics in many countries."

~~ Maharishi, Science of Being and Art of Living

Quote found at Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/4ouym8

[FairfieldLife] "a very long dream..."

[Vaj]

This is taken directly from the Sept. 2008 Matruvani (Amma's magazine  
out of
her India ashram).

"During the [Los Angeles June 2008] retreat Q&A, a 12-year-old boy  
asked,
'Amma, you tell us that we are born again and again as a result of our
karma.  But what about the very first time we were born?  There was  
no karma
then, so why were we born?'

Amma smiled at the boy and said in a conspiratorial whisper, 'You  
were never
born, my son.  This is just a dream, a very long dream..."

[FairfieldLife] The Smell of Socialism

[raunchydog]

Barack Obama's Stealth Socialism
Election '08: Before friendly audiences, Barack Obama speaks
passionately about something called "economic justice." He uses the term
obliquely, though, speaking in code — socialist code.

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, July 28, 2008 4:20 PM PT

IBD Series: The Audacity Of Socialism



During his NAACP speech earlier this month, Sen. Obama repeated the term
at least four times. "I've been working my entire adult life to help
build an America where economic justice is being served," he said at the
group's 99th annual convention in Cincinnati.

And as president, "we'll ensure that economic justice is served," he
asserted. "That's what this election is about." Obama never spelled out
the meaning of the term, but he didn't have to. His audience knew what
he meant, judging from its thumping approval.

It's the rest of the public that remains in the dark, which is why we're
launching this special educational series.

"Economic justice" simply means punishing the successful and
redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It's a euphemism for
socialism.

In the past, such rhetoric was just that — rhetoric. But Obama's
positioning himself with alarming stealth to put that rhetoric into
action on a scale not seen since the birth of the welfare state.

In his latest memoir he shares that he'd like to "recast" the welfare
net that FDR and LBJ cast while rolling back what he derisively calls
the "winner-take-all" market economy that Ronald Reagan reignited (with
record gains in living standards for all).

Obama also talks about "restoring fairness to the economy," code for
soaking the "rich" — a segment of society he fails to understand
that includes mom-and-pop businesses filing individual tax returns.

It's clear from a close reading of his two books that he's a firm
believer in class envy. He assumes the economy is a fixed pie, whereby
the successful only get rich at the expense of the poor.

Following this discredited Marxist model, he believes government must
step in and redistribute pieces of the pie. That requires massive
transfers of wealth through government taxing and spending, a return to
the entitlement days of old.

Of course, Obama is too smart to try to smuggle such hoary collectivist
garbage through the front door. He's disguising the wealth transfers as
"investments" — "to make America more competitive," he says, or
"that give us a fighting chance," whatever that means.

Among his proposed "investments":

• "Universal," "guaranteed" health care.

• "Free" college tuition.

• "Universal national service" (a la Havana).

• "Universal 401(k)s" (in which the government would match
contributions made by "low- and moderate-income families").

• "Free" job training (even for criminals).

• "Wage insurance" (to supplement dislocated union workers' old
income levels).

• "Free" child care and "universal" preschool.

• More subsidized public housing.

• A fatter earned income tax credit for "working poor."

• And even a Global Poverty Act that amounts to a Marshall Plan for
the Third World, first and foremost Africa.

His new New Deal also guarantees a "living wage," with a $10 minimum
wage indexed to inflation; and "fair trade" and "fair labor practices,"
with breaks for "patriot employers" who cow-tow to unions, and sticks
for "nonpatriot" companies that don't.

That's just for starters — first-term stuff.

Obama doesn't stop with socialized health care. He wants to socialize
your entire human resources department — from payrolls to pensions.
His social-microengineering even extends to mandating all employers
provide seven paid sick days per year to salary and hourly workers
alike.

You can see why Obama was ranked, hands-down, the most liberal member of
the Senate by the National Journal. Some, including colleague and
presidential challenger John McCain, think he's the most liberal member
in Congress.

But could he really be "more left," as McCain recently remarked, than
self-described socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (for whom Obama has openly
campaigned, even making a special trip to Vermont to rally voters)?

Obama's voting record, going back to his days in the Illinois
statehouse, says yes. His career path — and those who guided it
— leads to the same unsettling conclusion.

The seeds of his far-left ideology were planted in his formative years
as a teenager in Hawaii — and they were far more radical than any
biography or profile in the media has portrayed.

A careful reading of Obama's first memoir, "Dreams From My Father,"
reveals that his childhood mentor up to age 18 — a man he
cryptically refers to as "Frank" — was none other than the late
communist Frank Marshall Davis, who fled Chicago after the FBI and
Congress opened investigations into his "subversive," "un-American
activities."

As Obama was preparing to head off to college, he sat at Davis' feet in
his Waikiki bungalow for nightly bull sessions. Davis p

Re: [FairfieldLife] What Maharishi said about banks

[Peter]

Dang Sal! You nailed it!!! He was a Black wandering Jew, gay as the day is long.

--- On Tue, 9/30/08, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] What Maharishi said about banks
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 12:15 PM







On Sep 30, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Peter wrote:
Maharishi just wanted to get as much money as possible. Why is beyond me. He'd 
say anything to separate someone or some institution from its money.
Maybe he was secretly Jewish (loved $$), Black, (too lazy todo the work 
himself, wanted everyone around him to do it all instead)and gay!
All this below shows such a poor understanding of financial institutions.
 Sal
 





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: A primer on medical studies

[Patrick Gillam]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> 
> Moral of the story: pre-vitamins are not 
> drugs. If they had taken the supplements
> along with a bit of naturally occurring 
 beta-carotene as found in fruits or carrots 
> or whatever, I wonder what would have happened? 
> Its entirely possible that the 
> body can't process the substance properly as 
> a pure chemical and needs other 
> chemicals for it to be beneficial.

This is my problem with most research on 
natural healthcare. The studies are poorly 
designed. I recall research on echinacea 
some years back which concluded that echinacea 
was ineffective in treating or preventing colds. 
But it turns out there are three varieties of 
echinacea, and the researchers chose the one 
strain that the natural healing community 
already knows is ineffective. 

The real point of this article was to tout 
longitudinal studies with large populations. 
When I used to teach TM, I was instructed to 
present the preliminary TM research as just 
that - indicative that larger studies would 
be worthwhile.

[FairfieldLife] Have a stompin' good time at Navaratri!

[Bhairitu]

Happy Navaratri, everyone.  See how the Indians have stompin' good time 
at their festivals:

JAIPUR, India - At least 168 people were killed and 100 injured when 
thousands of pilgrims stampeded Tuesday at a Hindu temple in the 
historic town of Jodhpur in western India, officials said.

More here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26950301/

Didn't someone say something about Indians being like Americans on drugs?

Re: [FairfieldLife] What Maharishi said about banks

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 30, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Peter wrote:

Maharishi just wanted to get as much money as possible. Why is  
beyond me. He'd say anything to separate someone or some  
institution from its money.


Maybe he was secretly Jewish (loved $$), Black, (too lazy to
do the work himself, wanted everyone around him to do it all instead)
and gay!

All this below shows such a poor understanding of financial  
institutions.


Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] What Maharishi said about banks

[Peter]

Maharishi just wanted to get as much money as possible. Why is beyond me. He'd 
say anything to separate someone or some institution from its money. All this 
below shows such a poor understanding of financial institutions.

--- On Tue, 9/30/08, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Maharishi said about banks
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 11:03 AM








 
 






Comments from a wealthy friend
of mine:

   

It's interesting reading this
below how Maharishi was the one who was more tight with money than anyone I've
ever known.  I never saw him giving anything to anyone, except maybe Tony
Nader where he made that public display of giving his weight in gold, but that 
was
no doubt donated at his request.  He was only asking for more money all
time even though he controlled probably more than a billion, yet he upbraids
others for lack of generosity and compassion.  What he writes below
displays a lack of understanding for bankers, who are just business people,
like any other kind of business.  If bankers are to give away their
profits, then why not businesses of all types, which certainly is a good idea
to give to charity and help others, which he never did on any material level. 
His fantasy about all the world's probem's being solved in "the Age of
Enlightenment" or Sat yuga, which he spoke of since we were kids and
for which he claims credit, along with Guru Dev, continues to be shown to be
just that, a fantasy.  It's surprising with such a brilliant mind and such
wisdom of the Vedas he had these unusual quirks.   









In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along
with his poverty removal program...  





  







On 19 June, during the Conference on Removal of Poverty broadcast live by
satellite and the Internet from the Financial Capital of New York, Maharishi
gave a strong message to the banks and financial institutions of the world.  





  





Maharishi: 'All good things in nature happen naturally. The sun
rises naturally, and the darkness of the night disappears naturally. The people
of the world do not have to make an effort for the sun to rise, but the dawn
every morning is a natural phenomenon. Disappearance of the darkness of the
night is a natural phenomenon.  





  





'In the same way, I am inviting the world to witness the removal
of poverty in the world—a natural phenomenon. Poverty removal in the world is
going to be a natural phenomenon. We have that miraculous turn-key operation
from Guru Dev, where everything good is going to be a natural phenomenon.
Poverty removal is going to be a natural phenomenon.  





  





'And at this time, if I am asked to speak about it, I can only
challenge those who are flowering in wealth. That poverty is not going to be
removed by their wealth. I have been talking to some banks and some
institutions of financing. They bring out a hundred reasons that they cannot
support the [poverty removal] projects because of "risk, risk, risk,
risk".  





  





'The economy of the world is full of risk element. All the big
banks, who are publicized to be the top banks in the world, have billions,
trillions every year in their income. Some other bank is number two, other bank
number three, other bank number four. When we talk to the banks about poverty
removal, they say, "God forbid! We can only spend our money where money
is." This is a very shameful aspect of the world economy.  





  





'World economy seen in its proper perspective is a shame to
human existence, to human endeavour, to human creativity, to the presence of
God on earth. All these big banks, very big banks, they can spend only when
they see the profit in advance. This is not the area which is going to create
freedom from poverty. I am fond of that level which is nothingness, and that I
am going to inspire to eliminate poverty in the world.  





  





'In just a matter of a few weeks, a few months, not many years,
the world will have freedom from poverty. Dr Hagelin has been emphasizing and
has been putting forward the argument that wealth is really the basis of life.
Life is bliss. Bliss is fullness, lack of scarcity, good health, good wealth,
good wisdom.  





  





'I am inviting this world to witness the reality that is being
offered to the world by the great speakers of the Movement. John Hagelin is a
champion of that wisdom of the Unified Field. With the onset of the Unified
Field, what is going to suffer is the existence of diversity where one has so
much wealth and one has no wealth. These are the big differences which are
going to be completely eliminated. No one would know how the world was when the
differences were predominant. With the dawn, with the first ray of the rising
sun, people forget about the darkness of the night. That time has come.  





  





'My programme is to create affluence in the world, that
affluence which will n

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Comments from a wealthy friend of mine:
> 
>  
> 
> It's interesting reading this below how Maharishi was the one who was more
> tight with money than anyone I've ever known.  I never saw him giving
> anything to anyone, except maybe Tony Nader where he made that public
> display of giving his weight in gold, but that was no doubt donated at his
> request.  He was only asking for more money all time even though he
> controlled probably more than a billion, yet he upbraids others for lack of
> generosity and compassion.  What he writes below displays a lack of
> understanding for bankers, who are just business people, like any other kind
> of business.  If bankers are to give away their profits, then why not
> businesses of all types, which certainly is a good idea to give to charity
> and help others, which he never did on any material level.  His fantasy
> about all the world's probem's being solved in "the Age of Enlightenment" or
> Sat yuga, which he spoke of since we were kids and for which he claims
> credit, along with Guru Dev, continues to be shown to be just that, a
> fantasy.  It's surprising with such a brilliant mind and such wisdom of the
> Vedas he had these unusual quirks.  
> 
> In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with his
> poverty removal program... 

Banks make money by lending money at interest...

Emphasis on MAKE... To suggest that bankers are businessmen in the usual sense
of the word is to ignore what bankers do: they MAKE money. There's no reason
why they couldn't make money to help the poor even if the investments are risky
because, in fact, most of the higher-order instruments that they have created
in the past few years, that have gotten us into this mess, are far more risky 
than
what MMY proposed.

Oh, and the Raam? No more a ponzi scheme than any other bank note including US
treasury bills with President's faces on them.

Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: A primer on medical studies

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Fairfield Lifers interested in scientific 
> research may enjoy a short article in the 
> New York Times on what constitutes a good 
> medical study.
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/health/30stud.html?8dpc
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/4nmmg2
> 
> Searching for Clarity: A Primer on Medical Studies
> 
> By GINA KOLATA
> Published: September 29, 2008
> 
> Everyone, it seemed, from the general public to many scientists, was
> enthralled by the idea that beta carotene would protect against
> cancer. In the early 1990s, the evidence seemed compelling that this
> chemical, an antioxidant found in fruit and vegetables and converted
> by the body to vitamin A, was a key to good health.
> 
> There were laboratory studies showing how beta carotene would work.
> There were animal studies confirming that it was protective against
> cancer. There were observational studies showing that the more fruit
> and vegetables people ate, the lower their cancer risk. So convinced
> were some scientists that they themselves were taking beta carotene
> supplements.
> 
> Then came three large, rigorous clinical trials that randomly assigned
> people to take beta carotene pills or a placebo. And the beta carotene
> hypothesis crumbled. The trials concluded that not only did beta
> carotene fail to protect against cancer and heart disease, but it
> might increase the risk of developing cancer.
> 
> It was "the biggest disappointment of my career," said one of the
> study researchers, Dr. Charles Hennekens, then at Brigham and Women's
> Hospital.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/4nmmg2
>

Moral of the story: pre-vitamins are not drugs. If they had taken the 
supplements
along with a bit of naturally occurring beta-carotene as found in fruits or 
carrots 
or whatever, I wonder what would have happened? Its entirely possible that the 
body can't process the substance properly as a pure chemical and needs other 
chemicals for it to be beneficial.


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You "Space Out"?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:58 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> 
> > how many measurements would you like to take? Since Pure
> > Consciousness is unmanifest(we are talking about -pure consciousness-
> >  aren't we?), all that we can measure with instruments is one or
> > another particular correlates of pure consciousness, and since the
> > state of pure consciousness as experienced by the awareness is
> > continuous and without boundaries, beyond time and space, which
> > correlate do you want to measure? It is a waste of time if you ask
> > me.
> 
> 
> Even if you believe "pure consciousness" is unmanifest, it still has  
> to interact with a relative human nervous system.
>

If it were unmanifest, how could it "interact?"

The physiological correlates are of a state of consciousness that is
sometimes called "pure conscousness." Whether or not this has anything to 
do with some universal "unmanifest" state is of course, impossible to say,
any more than you can prove that miracles are caused by God rather than
merely by some higher order creature who can manipulate reality in ways
we don't understand.

Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Maharishi said about banks

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On Sep 30, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> > In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with  
> > his poverty removal program...
> 
> 
> (Very long trim...)
> 
> One thing you have to say for MMY...he never was at
> a loss for words.
> 
> Sal
>


Funniest thing I have ever read here!

Re: [FairfieldLife] What Maharishi said about banks

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 30, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with  
his poverty removal program...



(Very long trim...)

One thing you have to say for MMY...he never was at
a loss for words.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMers: Do You "Space Out"?

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>

> 
> http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/reprint/44/2/133.pdf
> 
> 
> Whether or not this is "real" pure consciousness or not, who can say?
> 
> 
> Lawson
>

Yup, that is the bottom line.  All we know is that some transcendental
meditators suspend breathing for a period of time, most for some
seconds and one person for an entire minute and there is a correlation
with a mental experience they describe as "pure consciousness." These
brief holding periods were not extensive and even untrained healthy
people can hold their breath for up to a minute.  Because the time
periods of apnea were not long, I am not surprised to see no adverse
or compensatory effects.  

I would note:CO2 will accumulate after a period of time. 
Hyperventilating before holding your breath can minimize that, purging
CO2.  So, were the meditators doing breathing exercises before their
meditation session?   If not, it would be an interesting experiment to
see if those doing the breathing exercises first had longer breath
suspensions. 

It would be interesting to read accounts of divers who are experienced
at apnea.  What kind of mental experiences do they have?

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's All About Interest, stupid!'

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert  wrote:
> >
> > In the old days, the old Jewish Law...
> > Was that you were not to charge interest on money lent.
> > So, perhaps the grand days of interest on interest is gone, forever...
> > People have wised up, on this Interest thing.
> > Interest on interest started with during the 'Reagan Years', and MBA
> mentality
> > Learning skilled ways of charging interest on interest...
> > Interest...but whose interest, my house, your house, their houses.
> > Why can't we lend money for no interest...how would that work.
> 
> Yeah! Lets make money free. Stands to follow -- Seequweeter style,
> that the, why stop there. Lets make all things free. Like Nature Man.
> Mother Nature doesn't charge me nothing for sleeping in the park Man.
> So Screw The Man! S Grooovy, 
> 

And drugs, Man. They should be free. Like not just legal, but free.
Pursuit of happiness man. Its right there in the constitution. Big
huge garbage cans full of primo bud, man, like on every street cornor. 

And we should just get rid of money man. Money sucks. Like everyone
should just do what they are doing, and take what they need, and leave
the rest behind. Like if me and my ol' lady,man, like get tired of
sleeping in the park,man, like we can just move into some big ol
mansion, like for free, dude -- because -- you know -- there will be
no money and its all like free, man. Anything you want is free. 

And like if Putin marches across the border into Alaska, like dude, we
will just put out those huge cans of primo shiva dank bud on the road
man. Those russian soldiers will get so stoned, man -- they will only
be able to make love not war. Duude!  

And like no ownership, man. Everything thats mine is yours man. And
everything that is yours is like mine. (including that bodacious ol
lady of yours). Like it works out kewl man, I own nothing all ready. I
am on the vanguard of the revolution man. And I will help you unload
your stuff man. You got some groovy things man.

So screw The Man, man. And Screw money. Power to the people. We will
take whats ours.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

[Richard J. Williams]

Vaj wrote:
> These aren't students of SBS. 
>
And you're a student of SBS, right? I guess 
if you're not a student of SBS then you're 
a troll, right?

> But yes dear Willy, no sect is immune.
> 
So, why pick on Mahesh? 

> My shankaracharya order?
>
Didn't you go to India to sit at the feet of
the Shankaracharya and then didn't you join the 
Order? You name is 'Vaj', right?

Vaj wrote:
> >> Aren't the parallels amazing?
> >>
> >> -a follower of SBS
> >> -a low level member of his entourage
> >> -sexual escapades
> >> -insatiable hunger for wealth, pomp and
> >> comforts
> >> -assumes grandiose titles/aliases
> >> -reports of bliss around him which addict
> >> some followers
> >> -many blind followers
> >> -flees from countries where there are
> >> legal problems from crimes.
> >>
> > What's amazing, Vaj, is that your
> > 'Shankaracharya Order' has become a
> > laughing stock. What's even more
> > amazing is that your Buddhist sects
> > have become a laughing stock. So,
> > yes, the parallels are amazing.
> >
> > Probably all the cults you've been
> > joining are run by frauds who go on
> > sexual escapades with an insatiable
> > hunger for wealth, pomp, and comforts.
> >
> > You've been blindly addicted to
> > various cults and cult personalities
> > for almost all of your adult life.
> > Apparently you fled your own country
> > on numerous occasions to bow down to
> > the phonies and give them money.
> >
> > What's up with that?
> > 
> Non sequitur.
> 
So, what's up with your cult?

[FairfieldLife] What Maharishi said about banks

[Rick Archer]

Comments from a wealthy friend of mine:

 

It's interesting reading this below how Maharishi was the one who was more
tight with money than anyone I've ever known.  I never saw him giving
anything to anyone, except maybe Tony Nader where he made that public
display of giving his weight in gold, but that was no doubt donated at his
request.  He was only asking for more money all time even though he
controlled probably more than a billion, yet he upbraids others for lack of
generosity and compassion.  What he writes below displays a lack of
understanding for bankers, who are just business people, like any other kind
of business.  If bankers are to give away their profits, then why not
businesses of all types, which certainly is a good idea to give to charity
and help others, which he never did on any material level.  His fantasy
about all the world's probem's being solved in "the Age of Enlightenment" or
Sat yuga, which he spoke of since we were kids and for which he claims
credit, along with Guru Dev, continues to be shown to be just that, a
fantasy.  It's surprising with such a brilliant mind and such wisdom of the
Vedas he had these unusual quirks.  

In June 2007, Maharishi made some comments about banks, along with his
poverty removal program... 

 


On 19 June, during the Conference on Removal of Poverty broadcast live by
satellite and the Internet from the Financial Capital of New York, Maharishi
gave a strong message to the banks and financial institutions of the world. 

 

Maharishi: 'All good things in nature happen naturally. The sun rises
naturally, and the darkness of the night disappears naturally. The people of
the world do not have to make an effort for the sun to rise, but the dawn
every morning is a natural phenomenon. Disappearance of the darkness of the
night is a natural phenomenon. 

 

'In the same way, I am inviting the world to witness the removal of poverty
in the world-a natural phenomenon. Poverty removal in the world is going to
be a natural phenomenon. We have that miraculous turn-key operation from
Guru Dev, where everything good is going to be a natural phenomenon. Poverty
removal is going to be a natural phenomenon. 

 

'And at this time, if I am asked to speak about it, I can only challenge
those who are flowering in wealth. That poverty is not going to be removed
by their wealth. I have been talking to some banks and some institutions of
financing. They bring out a hundred reasons that they cannot support the
[poverty removal] projects because of "risk, risk, risk, risk". 

 

'The economy of the world is full of risk element. All the big banks, who
are publicized to be the top banks in the world, have billions, trillions
every year in their income. Some other bank is number two, other bank number
three, other bank number four. When we talk to the banks about poverty
removal, they say, "God forbid! We can only spend our money where money is."
This is a very shameful aspect of the world economy. 

 

'World economy seen in its proper perspective is a shame to human existence,
to human endeavour, to human creativity, to the presence of God on earth.
All these big banks, very big banks, they can spend only when they see the
profit in advance. This is not the area which is going to create freedom
from poverty. I am fond of that level which is nothingness, and that I am
going to inspire to eliminate poverty in the world. 

 

'In just a matter of a few weeks, a few months, not many years, the world
will have freedom from poverty. Dr Hagelin has been emphasizing and has been
putting forward the argument that wealth is really the basis of life. Life
is bliss. Bliss is fullness, lack of scarcity, good health, good wealth,
good wisdom. 

 

'I am inviting this world to witness the reality that is being offered to
the world by the great speakers of the Movement. John Hagelin is a champion
of that wisdom of the Unified Field. With the onset of the Unified Field,
what is going to suffer is the existence of diversity where one has so much
wealth and one has no wealth. These are the big differences which are going
to be completely eliminated. No one would know how the world was when the
differences were predominant. With the dawn, with the first ray of the
rising sun, people forget about the darkness of the night. That time has
come. 

 

'My programme is to create affluence in the world, that affluence which will
not be timid affluence, which will not be afraid. In today's banking
systems, there are very wise people, but they are a shame to the world.
Today's world economy is a shame to economy. If the world press is listening
to me, they should publicize point-blank that I declare the world economy
today to be cruel-to be cruel for others and to be cruel to itself. 

 

'They have rejoiced for hundreds of years, taxing the people, and they will
invest only where they see the profit in advance. Civilization is completely
lost in the field of difference. Now the time is changing. The

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Homosexuality and the Sacred'

[Peter]

"...I just don't get it." That sums it up for you, Robert. The assumptions you 
make about gay people are absurd. They are in the league with Blacks are lazy 
and Jews love money. They're just ignorant.

--- On Tue, 9/30/08, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Homosexuality and the Sacred'
To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:35 AM









I was thinking about this all day, since I was criticized for being prejudiced 
in some way against the gays and lezbos.
Anyway, I was thinking, that how can we take them seriously as being Sacred,
As they do in the marriage ceremony, when two are made one, in Unity.
And then children are created out of this Divine Union of two souls through 
eternity.
 
How can this be sacred, and then watch the gay pride parades, and then try to 
juxtapose,
Those two images, for me, it just don't work.
 
Now, I just love Elton John, but the whole thing is his act...his shtick.
Everyone has some kind of shtick I guess, but then there's the Sacred.
 
Our culture now, has regarded the market as sacred. Money as sacred, like an 
insurance policy on the future. They don't really believe in God, but they 
definitely do believe in money.
This is common sense
Now, the gay culture, is completely bought into this materialism, at least 
that's what I had heard from one queer who was having trouble getting some 
change.  $$$
In Seattle...all you needed there was a position at Microsoft, and you were in. 
I think half of Seattle is gay, actually.
Ron Reagan, the presidents son, is an avowed atheist...he's got his radio show 
there.
I just don't know...because I've been called gay myself, perhaps that's it..
Or, because I've been brainwashed to believe in the ideal marriage, and the 
eternity thing
 
Bottom line is the bath houses, and the materialism, and all the fuss with 
feathers and such.
It's all such an act. 
Basically, I just don't get it.
 
(Hey Archie, 
Oh, Edith...ya know them queers, out there on the left coast there, 
Edith...well I was thinkin...they should send them all back to Africa, ya know 
Edith.)
 
R.G.


  




  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?

[gullible fool]

First she should have a checking and meditate regularily for awhile. 
This will increase her creativity and her income so she will not have 
to BEG for free consultations. In the sorry state she seems to be in at the 
moment she does not  deserve a reading from a "competent jyotishji".

Why do you come to the conclusion that this woman is in a sorry state, Nabby? 
Only because she's a friend of Rick's? 
 
"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  


--- On Tue, 9/30/08, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Jyotish Consultation?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:16 AM

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> A friend of mine wants to have a date chosen for something. She's 
looking
> for a competent jyotishi who might do this for free. Any takers?

First she should have a checking and meditate regularily for awhile. 
This will increase her creativity and her income so she will not have 
to BEG for free consultations.
In the sorry state she seems to be in at the moment she does not 
deserve a reading from a "competent jyotishji".





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's All About Interest, stupid!'

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In the old days, the old Jewish Law...
> Was that you were not to charge interest on money lent.
> So, perhaps the grand days of interest on interest is gone, forever...
> People have wised up, on this Interest thing.
> Interest on interest started with during the 'Reagan Years', and MBA
mentality
> Learning skilled ways of charging interest on interest...
> Interest...but whose interest, my house, your house, their houses.
> Why can't we lend money for no interest...how would that work.

Yeah! Lets make money free. Stands to follow -- Seequweeter style,
that the, why stop there. Lets make all things free. Like Nature Man.
Mother Nature doesn't charge me nothing for sleeping in the park Man.
So Screw The Man! S Grooovy, 

 

> This is what we have done with the Banks, we loan them money at no
interest.
> This is what we do with the Saudi's, we give them money with no
interest.
> This is what we do with the military, we give them money with no
interest.
> ~It's All About Interest, Stupid!
> R.G.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Song for Fairfield Life

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Ok, this is going to seem weird, one of the Off The
> Program guys on FFL going out of his way to cheer up
> the On The Program true-blue TM types, and help them 
> remember what's important and what's not, but hey...
> shit happens.
> 
Respectfully Mr. TurquoiseB, if doom and gloom are not important to 
you, why are you focused on it to the point of reminding others what 
to do with it, how to deal with it, etc.? 

It would seem to me that someone with a balanced view would not be 
bothered by the contrast between a good meditation and what he or 
she finds in the world.

It appears as if you are using the mask of compassion and/or 
teaching others to satisfy your own feelings in this regard; i.e. 
that focusing on the happy stuff is important, and focusing on doom 
and gloom is not desirable.

I am not questioning your motive to perhaps make others feel better, 
though your intention seems more aimed at your own well being (to 
resolve the contrast between your meditation and what you find in 
the world) than that of others.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Homosexuality and the Sacred'

[raunchydog]

Feathers? Did someone say feather? I LOVE feathers! Elton John loves
feathers. Robert loves Elton John. Does that mean Robert loves
feathers? Oh plleeez Robert, that is so gay. I am so happy for
you that you are getting in touch with your inner queer...enjoy it
dearie, you have a lot to learn.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was thinking about this all day, since I was criticized for being
prejudiced in some way against the gays and lezbos.
> Anyway, I was thinking, that how can we take them seriously as being
Sacred,
> As they do in the marriage ceremony, when two are made one, in Unity.
> And then children are created out of this Divine Union of two souls
through eternity.
>  
> How can this be sacred, and then watch the gay pride parades, and
then try to juxtapose,
> Those two images, for me, it just don't work.
>  
> Now, I just love Elton John, but the whole thing is his act...his
shtick.
> Everyone has some kind of shtick I guess, but then there's the Sacred.
>  
> Our culture now, has regarded the market as sacred. Money as sacred,
like an insurance policy on the future. They don't really believe in
God, but they definitely do believe in money.
> This is common sense
> Now, the gay culture, is completely bought into this materialism, at
least that's what I had heard from one queer who was having trouble
getting some change.  $$$
> In Seattle...all you needed there was a position at Microsoft, and
you were in. I think half of Seattle is gay, actually.
> Ron Reagan, the presidents son, is an avowed atheist...he's got his
radio show there.
> I just don't know...because I've been called gay myself, perhaps
that's it..
> Or, because I've been brainwashed to believe in the ideal marriage,
and the eternity thing
>  
> Bottom line is the bath houses, and the materialism, and all the
fuss with feathers and such.
> It's all such an act. 
> Basically, I just don't get it.
>  
> (Hey Archie, 
> Oh, Edith...ya know them queers, out there on the left coast there,
Edith...well I was thinkin...they should send them all back to Africa,
ya know Edith.)
>  
> R.G.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What's the official word on the financial crisis?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> This is the "Stranger Comes to Town" story 
> (as opposed to the "Man Leaves Home" story), 
> in its manifestation as the "Cavalry to the 
> Rescue" story.
> 
> I wonder if the Stranger in question is 
> really a person, or if it's the Self - 
> Brahman?


Both obviously. Brahman with legs.

"Heaven will walk on earth, in this generation."
- Maharishi


 >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > Perhaps we are close to the Second Coming, the Rapture, the 
> > sustained
> > > appearance of Maitreya, the Islamic Mahdi (Muslims believe the 
Mahdi
> > > will rid the world of error, injustice and tyranny alongside 
> > Jesus.),
> > > the Jewish Messiah, sustained flying, Peace on Earth .. .
> > 
> > Indeed !
> > 
> > 
> > Who is Maitreya?
> > 
> > He has been expected for generations by all of the major 
religions. 
> > Christians know him as the Christ, and expect his imminent 
return. 
> > Jews await him as the Messiah; Hindus look for the coming of 
Krishna; 
> > Buddhists expect him as Maitreya Buddha; and Muslims anticipate 
the 
> > Imam Mahdi or Messiah. 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > Although the names are different, many believe that they all 
refer to 
> > the same individual: the World Teacher, whose personal name is 
> > Maitreya (pronounced my-tray-ah). 
> > Preferring to be known simply as the Teacher, Maitreya has not 
come 
> > as a religious leader, or to found a new religion, but as a 
teacher 
> > and guide for people of every religion and those of no religion. 
> > 
> > At this time of great political, economic and social crisis 
Maitreya 
> > will inspire humanity to see itself as one family, and create a 
> > civilization based on sharing, economic and social justice, and 
> > global cooperation. 
> > 
> > He will launch a call to action to save the millions of people 
who 
> > starve to death every year in a world of plenty. Among Maitreya's 
> > recommendations will be a shift in social priorities so that 
adequate 
> > food, housing, clothing, education, and medical care become 
universal 
> > rights. 
> > 
> > Under Maitreya's inspiration, humanity itself will make the 
required 
> > changes and create a saner and more just world for all. 
> > 
> > 
> > http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What's the official word on the financial crisis?

[Patrick Gillam]

Comments interleaved below.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
> wrote:
> >
> > This is the "Stranger Comes to Town" story 
> > (as opposed to the "Man Leaves Home" story), 
> > in its manifestation as the "Cavalry to the 
> > Rescue" story.
> 
> Not to mention what I call the "Beam me up
> Scotty" approach to enlightenment and/or
> salvation.
> 
> The appeal of this story, in whatever form
> it manifests, is that someone else does the
> work.

Misapplied, yes, someone else does the 
work, but when the story is told well, 
someone comes to the rescue, enabling 
the Hero to continue doing his or her 
work. Dobby helps Harry Potter here and 
there, but Harry still has to do the work.
 
> > I wonder if the Stranger in question is 
> > really a person, or if it's the Self - 
> > Brahman?
> 
> Does it matter? 

Well, yeah, it does matter. Because a story 
about some other person saving us is different 
from some hitherto-unnoticed aspect of 
ourselves coming to the rescue. One is external,
the other, internal.


> The bottom line, as I see it,
> is an abdication of personal responsibility
> and a reliance on somebody/something else to
> make things happen.
> 
> While I understand that this makes sense if
> you buy into a philosophy of "I am not the
> doer," I wonder how many who believe in that
> philosophy ever do anything. In other words,
> does the belief that there is a Scotty out
> there somewhere whose *job* it is to beam 
> them up prevent them from noticing that there
> is a staircase off to the right that could be
> easily climbed instead of waiting for the
> Transporter to be invented?

That's what I'm getting at - the Self is there 
all the time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Homosexuality and the Sacred'

[martyboi]

Robert, I think the division between the sacred and the profane which
you have created in your mind is the source of your difficulty. It's a
division many on the spiritual path create for themselves – but in
reality its all part of the maya – and I think you already know that.
It's the same division, I believe, that created the problems in the
Catholic church: rejected aspects of the personality become more
predominant when you try to suppress them. For me the yin and yang
symbol describes a whole person very well: a light side, a dark side –
and a spot of each in the other.

My sister a Christian of the Palin variety, who happens to have a gay
son, was devastated by the news. It contradicted everything she
believed in. And she had all the assumptions that went along with
that: gay people are promiscuous, gay people get lots of diseases, gay
people aren't spiritual, etc . 

This created a huge conflict in her mind between what she had been
taught about gay people and what she knew her son to be: a very kind
and talented young man who loved his mother dearly – with a list of
accomplishments any mother would envy. 

One day my sister said to me: "You know, when I first found out about
it, all I could think about was what he wanted to do in bed. And
that's the problem - that's all people think about when the meet a gay
person – what they want to do in bed. But it's not about that, its
about who they are drawn to love – I was the one with the problem."

FYI: I happen to live near a large city that has gay bath houses, and
yes people do go there. There is also an equally busy heterosexual
bathhouse that been in operation since the 60's. The interesting thing
is, when you meet a straight person, the first thing that comes to
mind isn't where they go or what they do in bed is it?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
> Bottom line is the bath houses, and the materialism, and all the
fuss with feathers and such.
> It's all such an act. 
> Basically, I just don't get it.
>  
> (Hey Archie, 
> Oh, Edith...ya know them queers, out there on the left coast there,
Edith...well I was thinkin...they should send them all back to Africa,
ya know Edith.)
>  
> R.G.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What's the official word on the financial crisis?

[raunchydog]

Are we about to segue from Maitreya to a conversation about...could it
be? Oh no, say it isn't so. Obama Messiah? http://tinyurl.com/2pfddn

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> wrote:
> > 
> > Perhaps we are close to the Second Coming, the Rapture, the 
> sustained
> > appearance of Maitreya, the Islamic Mahdi (Muslims believe the Mahdi
> > will rid the world of error, injustice and tyranny alongside 
> Jesus.),
> > the Jewish Messiah, sustained flying, Peace on Earth .. .
> 
> Indeed !
> 
> 
> Who is Maitreya?
> 
> He has been expected for generations by all of the major religions. 
> Christians know him as the Christ, and expect his imminent return. 
> Jews await him as the Messiah; Hindus look for the coming of Krishna; 
> Buddhists expect him as Maitreya Buddha; and Muslims anticipate the 
> Imam Mahdi or Messiah. 
>  
>  
>  
> Although the names are different, many believe that they all refer to 
> the same individual: the World Teacher, whose personal name is 
> Maitreya (pronounced my-tray-ah). 
> Preferring to be known simply as the Teacher, Maitreya has not come 
> as a religious leader, or to found a new religion, but as a teacher 
> and guide for people of every religion and those of no religion. 
> 
> At this time of great political, economic and social crisis Maitreya 
> will inspire humanity to see itself as one family, and create a 
> civilization based on sharing, economic and social justice, and 
> global cooperation. 
> 
> He will launch a call to action to save the millions of people who 
> starve to death every year in a world of plenty. Among Maitreya's 
> recommendations will be a shift in social priorities so that adequate 
> food, housing, clothing, education, and medical care become universal 
> rights. 
> 
> Under Maitreya's inspiration, humanity itself will make the required 
> changes and create a saner and more just world for all. 
> 
> 
> http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Song for Fairfield Life

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Cockburn? 
 
Cockburn is an acquired taste that I somehow never acquired.

> Then try Astroglide 

Great stuff!!!

> and http://tinyurl.com/6oaavy

Wow, I learned two new words: hasbian and stromo.

[FairfieldLife] 'Wall St. Crash/1st shall be last'

[Robert]

And the First, Shall, Be, Last...
Jesus said...yes?
R.G.


  

[FairfieldLife] "Thinking cap" could make you smarter...but at what cost?

[TurquoiseB]

Here's an article I found fascinating, given the
"focusing on the details" vs. "seeing the big 
picture" discussions that have come up recently.

It appears that artificially *increasing* the 
ability to focus on the small shit and avoid the
big picture might have some benefits in terms of
triggering savant-like skills. What I wonder is,
at what cost? If such a "thinking cap" could 
enable you to increase your math skills, but at
the cost of being able to see the "big picture,"
would you wear it?

For example, one of the things reported in the
article is that subjects, after wearing the cap,
were able to spot mistakes in text that they had
missed the previous day. Cool, if you're an editor,
I guess, but do these subjects retain the ability
to know what the book they found errors in is 
really about? Can they still *see* the "big picture"
of it?

The 'thinking cap' that could unlock your inner genius 
and boost creativity

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1064431/The-thinking-cap-unlock-inner-genius-boost-creativity.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/5xct83

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

[Vaj]

On Sep 30, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


Vaj wrote:

Aren't the parallels amazing?

-a follower of SBS
-a low level member of his entourage
-sexual escapades
-insatiable hunger for wealth, pomp and
comforts
-assumes grandiose titles/aliases
-reports of bliss around him which addict
some followers
-many blind followers
-flees from countries where there are
legal problems from crimes.


What's amazing, Vaj, is that your
'Shankaracharya Order' has become a
laughing stock. What's even more
amazing is that your Buddhist sects
have become a laughing stock. So,
yes, the parallels are amazing.

Probably all the cults you've been
joining are run by frauds who go on
sexual escapades with an insatiable
hunger for wealth, pomp, and comforts.

You've been blindly addicted to
various cults and cult personalities
for almost all of your adult life.
Apparently you fled your own country
on numerous occasions to bow down to
the phonies and give them money.

What's up with that?


Non sequitur.

These aren't students of SBS. But yes dear Willy, no sect is immune.

My shankaracharya order?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Clerk of Jyotirmath?

[Richard J. Williams]

Vaj wrote:
> Aren't the parallels amazing?
> 
> -a follower of SBS
> -a low level member of his entourage
> -sexual escapades
> -insatiable hunger for wealth, pomp and 
> comforts
> -assumes grandiose titles/aliases
> -reports of bliss around him which addict 
> some followers
> -many blind followers
> -flees from countries where there are 
> legal problems from crimes.
> 
What's amazing, Vaj, is that your 
'Shankaracharya Order' has become a 
laughing stock. What's even more 
amazing is that your Buddhist sects 
have become a laughing stock. So, 
yes, the parallels are amazing. 

Probably all the cults you've been 
joining are run by frauds who go on 
sexual escapades with an insatiable 
hunger for wealth, pomp, and comforts. 

You've been blindly addicted to 
various cults and cult personalities 
for almost all of your adult life. 
Apparently you fled your own country 
on numerous occasions to bow down to 
the phonies and give them money. 

What's up with that?

Emperor's Tantric Robes:

http://tinyurl.com/3lszjx

Godman in the Dock:

http://tinyurl.com/4z8oap

The Case against Swami Rama of the Himalayas:

From: Vaj
Subject: Swami Rama
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2005 6:56 am
http://tinyurl.com/4rf2rh

A vacant lot as recently as the 19th century:

Author: Willytex
Subject: Kanchi Mutt
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: 02/09/2002 
http://tinyurl.com/3tdkrt

Desire, devotion, and excess at San Francisco Zen Center:

From: Willytex
Subject: Shoes outside the door?
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2004 4:27 pm
http://tinyurl.com/3kwfas

[FairfieldLife] Re: What's the official word on the financial crisis?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> This is the "Stranger Comes to Town" story 
> (as opposed to the "Man Leaves Home" story), 
> in its manifestation as the "Cavalry to the 
> Rescue" story.

Not to mention what I call the "Beam me up
Scotty" approach to enlightenment and/or
salvation.

The appeal of this story, in whatever form
it manifests, is that someone else does the
work.

> I wonder if the Stranger in question is 
> really a person, or if it's the Self - 
> Brahman?

Does it matter? The bottom line, as I see it,
is an abdication of personal responsibility
and a reliance on somebody/something else to
make things happen.

While I understand that this makes sense if
you buy into a philosophy of "I am not the
doer," I wonder how many who believe in that
philosophy ever do anything. In other words,
does the belief that there is a Scotty out
there somewhere whose *job* it is to beam 
them up prevent them from noticing that there
is a staircase off to the right that could be
easily climbed instead of waiting for the
Transporter to be invented?


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > Perhaps we are close to the Second Coming, the Rapture, the 
> > sustained
> > > appearance of Maitreya, the Islamic Mahdi (Muslims believe the Mahdi
> > > will rid the world of error, injustice and tyranny alongside 
> > Jesus.),
> > > the Jewish Messiah, sustained flying, Peace on Earth .. .
> > 
> > Indeed !
> > 
> > 
> > Who is Maitreya?
> > 
> > He has been expected for generations by all of the major religions. 
> > Christians know him as the Christ, and expect his imminent return. 
> > Jews await him as the Messiah; Hindus look for the coming of Krishna; 
> > Buddhists expect him as Maitreya Buddha; and Muslims anticipate the 
> > Imam Mahdi or Messiah. 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > Although the names are different, many believe that they all refer to 
> > the same individual: the World Teacher, whose personal name is 
> > Maitreya (pronounced my-tray-ah). 
> > Preferring to be known simply as the Teacher, Maitreya has not come 
> > as a religious leader, or to found a new religion, but as a teacher 
> > and guide for people of every religion and those of no religion. 
> > 
> > At this time of great political, economic and social crisis Maitreya 
> > will inspire humanity to see itself as one family, and create a 
> > civilization based on sharing, economic and social justice, and 
> > global cooperation. 
> > 
> > He will launch a call to action to save the millions of people who 
> > starve to death every year in a world of plenty. Among Maitreya's 
> > recommendations will be a shift in social priorities so that adequate 
> > food, housing, clothing, education, and medical care become universal 
> > rights. 
> > 
> > Under Maitreya's inspiration, humanity itself will make the required 
> > changes and create a saner and more just world for all. 
> > 
> > 
> > http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] A primer on medical studies

[Patrick Gillam]

Fairfield Lifers interested in scientific 
research may enjoy a short article in the 
New York Times on what constitutes a good 
medical study.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/health/30stud.html?8dpc
or
http://tinyurl.com/4nmmg2

Searching for Clarity: A Primer on Medical Studies

By GINA KOLATA
Published: September 29, 2008

Everyone, it seemed, from the general public to many scientists, was
enthralled by the idea that beta carotene would protect against
cancer. In the early 1990s, the evidence seemed compelling that this
chemical, an antioxidant found in fruit and vegetables and converted
by the body to vitamin A, was a key to good health.

There were laboratory studies showing how beta carotene would work.
There were animal studies confirming that it was protective against
cancer. There were observational studies showing that the more fruit
and vegetables people ate, the lower their cancer risk. So convinced
were some scientists that they themselves were taking beta carotene
supplements.

Then came three large, rigorous clinical trials that randomly assigned
people to take beta carotene pills or a placebo. And the beta carotene
hypothesis crumbled. The trials concluded that not only did beta
carotene fail to protect against cancer and heart disease, but it
might increase the risk of developing cancer.

It was "the biggest disappointment of my career," said one of the
study researchers, Dr. Charles Hennekens, then at Brigham and Women's
Hospital.

http://tinyurl.com/4nmmg2

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Song for Fairfield Life

[raunchydog]

Cockburn? Then try Astroglide and http://tinyurl.com/6oaavy

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ok, this is going to seem weird, one of the Off The
> Program guys on FFL going out of his way to cheer up
> the On The Program true-blue TM types, and help them 
> remember what's important and what's not, but hey...
> shit happens.
> 
> I had a really shiny, ecstatic meditation this morning,
> and then logged onto to Fairfield Life and could not
> help but notice the contrast. And it took me only a
> few posts to get fed up with reading all the doom-and-
> gloom predictions and "The sky is falling" cries coming
> from the On The Program Chicken Littles in our midst,
> and I figured that people needed a break. Here it is, 
> in song form, by my man Bruce Cockburn:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL4CdHd9ma4
> 
> This is one of Bruce's most popular songs, and one of 
> the few that ever made the "Top 40." And it made it 
> because it's a HAPPY SONG. But the genesis of the 
> song was anything but happy. Like many, Bruce can be 
> affected by and distracted by the doom-and-gloom Chicken 
> Littles squawking around him. Here is his story of how 
> this song came to be:
> 
> "I have a relative who is involved in one of those kinds of 
> government jobs where they can't say what they do. The part 
> you can say involves monitoring other people's radio trans-
> missions and breaking codes. At that time China and the Soviet 
> Union were almost at war on their mutual border. And both of 
> them had nuclear capabilities. I had dinner with this relative 
> of mine and he said, 'We could wake up tomorrow to a nuclear 
> war.' Coming from him, it was a serious statement. So I woke 
> up the next morning and it wasn't a nuclear war. [Laughs] It 
> was a real nice day and there was all this good stuff going 
> on and I had a dream that night which is the dream that is 
> referred to in the first verse of the song, where there were 
> lions at the door, but they weren't threatening, it was kind 
> of a peaceful thing. And it reflected a previous dream that 
> was a real nightmare where the lions were threatening."
> -- from "Closer to the Light with Bruce Cockburn" by Paul Zollo, 
> SongTalk, vol. 4, issue 2, 1994
> 
> The first two lines of Bruce's song say everything 
> I am hoping to remind people of by sharing this song
> with them:
> 
> Sun's up, uh huh, looks okay
> The world survives into another day
> 
> Don't fall for the doom-and-gloom talk, *especially*
> when it comes from people who have been practicing
> meditation for 3-4 decades and are still spouting 
> doom and gloom.
> 
> Trust the meditation itself, and that clear, calm
> eternity that it enables you to merge with. Eternity
> abides, and you abide with it, no matter what the day
> brings when the sun comes up. What will happen will
> happen no matter what state of mind you bring to it.
> But if you buy into the state of mind that these
> doom-and-gloomers are trying to sell you, you might
> just miss an awesome sunrise.
> 
> 
> Wondering Where The Lions Are
> written 12 January 1979. Ottawa, Canada
> 
> Sun's up, uh huh, looks okay
> The world survives into another day
> And I'm thinking about eternity
> Some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me
> 
> I had another dream about lions at the door
> They weren't half as frightening as they were before
> But I'm thinking about eternity
> Some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me
> 
> Walls windows trees, waves coming through
> You be in me and I'll be in you
> Together in eternity
> Some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me
> 
> Up among the firs where it smells so sweet
> Or down in the valley where the river used to be
> I got my mind on eternity
> Some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me
> 
> And I'm wondering where the lions are...
> I'm wondering where the lions are...
> 
> Huge orange flying boat rises off a lake
> Thousand-year-old petroglyphs doing a double take
> Pointing a finger at eternity
> I'm sitting in the middle of this ecstasy
> 
> Young men marching, helmets shining in the sun,
> Polished as precise like the brain behind the gun
> (Should be!) they got me thinking about eternity
> Some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me
> 
> And I'm wondering where the lions are...
> I'm wondering where the lions are...
> 
> Freighters on the nod on the surface of the bay
> One of these days we're going to sail away,
> going to sail into eternity
> some kind of ecstasy got a hold on me
> 
> And I'm wondering where the lions are...
> I'm wondering where the lions are...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What's the official word on the financial crisis?

[Patrick Gillam]

This is the "Stranger Comes to Town" story 
(as opposed to the "Man Leaves Home" story), 
in its manifestation as the "Cavalry to the 
Rescue" story.

I wonder if the Stranger in question is 
really a person, or if it's the Self - 
Brahman?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> wrote:
> > 
> > Perhaps we are close to the Second Coming, the Rapture, the 
> sustained
> > appearance of Maitreya, the Islamic Mahdi (Muslims believe the Mahdi
> > will rid the world of error, injustice and tyranny alongside 
> Jesus.),
> > the Jewish Messiah, sustained flying, Peace on Earth .. .
> 
> Indeed !
> 
> 
> Who is Maitreya?
> 
> He has been expected for generations by all of the major religions. 
> Christians know him as the Christ, and expect his imminent return. 
> Jews await him as the Messiah; Hindus look for the coming of Krishna; 
> Buddhists expect him as Maitreya Buddha; and Muslims anticipate the 
> Imam Mahdi or Messiah. 
>  
>  
>  
> Although the names are different, many believe that they all refer to 
> the same individual: the World Teacher, whose personal name is 
> Maitreya (pronounced my-tray-ah). 
> Preferring to be known simply as the Teacher, Maitreya has not come 
> as a religious leader, or to found a new religion, but as a teacher 
> and guide for people of every religion and those of no religion. 
> 
> At this time of great political, economic and social crisis Maitreya 
> will inspire humanity to see itself as one family, and create a 
> civilization based on sharing, economic and social justice, and 
> global cooperation. 
> 
> He will launch a call to action to save the millions of people who 
> starve to death every year in a world of plenty. Among Maitreya's 
> recommendations will be a shift in social priorities so that adequate 
> food, housing, clothing, education, and medical care become universal 
> rights. 
> 
> Under Maitreya's inspiration, humanity itself will make the required 
> changes and create a saner and more just world for all. 
> 
> 
> http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm
>

[FairfieldLife] 'Plan 'B' for the Market!'

[Robert]

What could be a good plan 'B'... for the Market?
Just let it Be.
Fast, pray, go into Silence, just Be, Witness. 
Meditate, slow down, use less gas, ride a bike.
It needs a serious correction, that's all.
What goes up, must come down.
Ever here of gravity, it's just the law, sorry.
Well, except the Fairfielder's of Iowa
But that's a whole other story...
 
R.G.  Madison, Wisconsin


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wachovia Bank and the Smell of Socialism

[raunchydog]

"...click on each of of the name boxes on the [Muckety] chart and learn
more about these people who are attempting to control the United States
of America. It will certainly help you to understand why Barack Obama is
their guy. It's just one big Family Picnic aimed at capitalism,
Comrades!"  Uppity Woman 9/30/08

"Herb Sandler and Son-in-Law back Democrats" From Muckety Newsletter
1/30/08
Two California groups, Vote Hope
  and PowerPac.org
 , are drawing
national attention, and boisterous complaints from opponents, for their
support of Barack Obama's 
 run for the presidency.

Both are operating outside the Obama campaign as 527 organizations,
taking advantage of tax-code provisions that exempt them from federal
spending limits. And both were founded by Steve Phillips
 , former president
of the San Francisco School Board and son-in-law of billionaire banker
Herb Sandler  .

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Sandler is one of the lucky ones who cashed out before the mortgage
crisis. Wachovia
  bought
Sandler's company, Golden West Financial
 , for $25.5 billion in October 2006. Forbes estimated his personal
worth that year at $1.2 billion.

Like his son-in-law, Sandler is an active contributor to Democratic
causes. He gave $2.5 million to Moveon.org
  in 2004, and has
contributed more than $100,000 to the Democratic Senate and
congressional committees in recent years.

He is also a backer of the Center for American Progress
 ,
a liberal think tank headed by John Podesta
 , Bill Clinton's
  former chief of
staff.



The Sandler Family Supporting Foundation
  has supported medical research, with an emphasis on asthma. It
also pledged $15 million to Human Rights Watch
  in 2005.

Sandler also founded a nonprofit journalism organization called
ProPublica  , which
promises to produce "truly important stories with moral force."
ProPublica, based in Manhattan, is run by former Wall Street Journal
managing editor Paul Steiger
 .

Slate's media writer, Jack Shafer, has cast a cynical eye
  on the venture, suggesting that most
self-made billionaires don't give away pots of money without
expecting some control over the results.

"If I were an editorial writer," Shafer wrote in October,
"I'd call upon Herbert Sandler to provide ProPublica with 10
years of funding ($100 million), and then resign from his post as the
organization's chairman so he'll never be tempted to bollix up
what might turn out to be a good thing."

Vote Hope and PowerPac.org, meanwhile, are definitely partisan. PowerPac
is running TV spots in California, where it is hiring organizers to get
out the vote for the Feb. 5 primary. Phillips has said that he hopes to
raise $2 million for Vote Hope.

The Obama campaign
  on Friday released a letter sent to Phillips on Dec. 28,
urging that Vote Hope be disbanded. Phillips declined.