[FairfieldLife] Fox News and CNN totally in agreement for firs time ever.

[off_world_beings]

Anti-War Ron Paul the only Republican left

Ron Paul is the only Republican anyone is listening to anymore 
incliding CNN and this one from Fox. Fox is desperate to find a 
credible republican. In this case they are correct for the first time 
in 20 years:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp7UHYbCfBg

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] WholeLottaTypos

[off_world_beings]

WholeLottaTypos

Yep, can't get used to this new keyboard, and the mousepad is totally
ficking unfathomable as to how it works. It seems awful, so going back
and making corrections is a chore unless I have my regular Wacom tablet
plugged in.

FofoWrdl

[FairfieldLife] Re: Didanyone else here used to thin what an asshole Kaplan was flying his 10 millio

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of off_world_beings
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:58 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Didanyone else here used to thin what an
> asshole Kaplan was flying his 10 millio
>
>
>
> >So?, he's still an unbelievably unhappy little MF with no hope left
inside
> him. What the fuck good is money to him?
> >That was my whole point in the previous post. The arrogant fucks that
> constantly fart around in 10 million dollar jets are destined to a
serious
> cold wind blowing >in their hearts.
> >And you post this as if that is a victory for him? What is wrong with
you?
> >He is a very sad person, lost in his finances. He would be MUCH
happier
> destitute.
>
> Pretty big assumptions there OffWorld. How do you know he isn't happy.
Can
> you judge another's state of happiness? >>

Yes Rick, it is very easy for artists to judge a person's inner
happiness (not wether they are good or bad -- just happiness). It is
written all over their face and in the tone of their voice. As an
artist, I have been studying faces since I was 10 years old as a serious
study. He is not happy, he  was not happy 10 years ago...and ACTUALLY
TOLD ME THAT HE WAS NOT HAPPY because of money. Seriously, he said it to
me himself. He confided in me, not you Rick. You know why? Because my
soul is an artist's soul. People open up to us without us doing much.

< million, maybe a $10 jet is a luxury you can afford. >>

Only an arrogant fucking retard wants a 10 million dollar jet. If I had
all the money in the world I would not waste any of it on a nature-hater
polluter like that.

Oprah has one. Is she a
> jerk? >

Oprah is a total fucking idiot. Wow, only an American would bring Oprah
up to bloster an argument. Lol ! You are so naive Rick, you ar almost
cute.

You live in cloud cuckoo land Rick, you only stand up for him because he
was an AmmajeeFreak for a while.  He does not know what happiness is, it
is written all over his face, and his actions and he told me himslef it
had not brought him the happiness he thought it would. He was clearly
sad when he told me that.

  You can't see it. You are blind to it.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Didanyone else here used to thin what an asshole Kaplan was flying his 10 millio

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
 BTW, I heard he sold his house to
> some farmer. A rich one, apparently.
>




Earl Kaplan is still listed as the owner:

http://jefferson.iowaassessors.com/parcel.php?gid=39317

It might be a ru farmer, but I doubt it -- I don't think any ru farmer 
has the money to buy this (it's assessed at 2.2 mil), and a nonru 
farmer is certainly not going to buy this exotic bldg.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Off-Kilter goes off deep end and starts referring to himself in the third person

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , off_world_beings 
> wrote:
>
>
> [snip]
>
> > OffWorld prediction : He will donate it to the TMO within 5 years.
> > (offworld has not been wrong on any prediction given  on FFl , and
was
> > the first to show outright support for Obama of anyone on FFL -- a
> fact
> > that I know half of you cannot stomach  yet you know it is a
fact,
> > and are too cowardly to acknolwdge itHa ha haOffWorld fukin'
> aa
> > PWNS FFL ! )
> >
> > OffWorld
> >
>
>
> OffWorld was also the first to come out with a blatantly racist put-
> down of Obama saying that they will start calling the official
> residence of the president the "Black House".>>

Ha ha what a retard and racist you are Shemp. Only a racist could not
handle that joke. I'm British You're not. You are an ignorant fuck.
No-one in Britain cold possibly take it the way you did,. Wow, what an
ass you made of yourself here. We are toally used to that humor where I
come from. The blacks and whites joke around like that all the time you
dumb fucking American racist retard. (yes, you act like the racist
Americans that carried monkey dolls of Obama around. Admit it Shemp, you
are a total racist. Just admit it. )
Black guys totally thought this joke of mine was was funny when I said
it to them. They laughed in joy and camaraderie at it. It is a wonderful
thing, and I think it should be called the Balckhouse because I love the
idea that a minority is President. But a lonely racist liek you has no
black friends and you come to FFL because you have no friends at all.
Its burning you up in fear and cold ice in your hart, and you can feel
it can't you. You are a hateful racist and you have nothing but fear and
hate to offer FFL.

Us Europeans left that black white shit behind decades ago you fucking
turd. But that is something a lonely racist like you will never
understand.  You are a racist, that is why you could not laugh at the
OBVIOUS and very tasteful 21st century joke for 21st century people with
no hate in their hearts. None. Man, you are the worst racist hateful
turd that ever walked the planet. You squirm when you meet a colored
person don't you. It is sad for you. I only feel pity for you.

What a totally sad little old man you are Shemp.

Shemp, you are left behind in the dust of history. You might as well
admit you are so retarded in this modern world that you cannot even joke
about black and white as ALL THE REST OF US IN THE WORLD, BIT BLACK AND
WHITE, ARE ALL JOKING AROUND and HAPPILY POKING FUN AT EACH OTHER ABOUT.
You are left behind in your racist cesspit. You sad little turd of a
being.

I feel only pity for you.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Exploding Heads

[raunchydog]

"Obama Is a Center-Right Democrat, Not a Liberal.

>From Obama's promise-breaking vote for FISA, to his grovelling
acceptance of the endorsement of ultimate war criminal Colin Powell, to
his unwillingness to take a strong public stand against Proposition 8,
to his "softening" of his positions on executive orders
  (he'll
use them now), a full withdrawal from Iraq
  (residual troops will
remain), closing Gitmo
  (easier said than done and we might get a messy new legal
system instead of justice), and ending torture
  (he sounds a
lot like George W. Bush here - America DOES torture, or how could he end
it? And what about "enhanced interrogation techniques?"), to his
willingness to appoint Republicans to his Cabinet, Obama is rubbing his
center-right beliefs in his gullible followers' faces."



We Tried To Tell Ya, Cheetos…
Posted on November 19, 2008 by madamab

  [Where Is My ObamaLove?] 

Where Is My ObamaLove?

but you wouldn't admit that Barack Obama was not a progressive, a
liberal or even really a Democrat. You accepted all the crazy,
ridiculous narratives that were fed you by Axelrove and Burton and
Plouffe (Oh my!). Hillary is a racist! Hillary wants Obama killed!
Hillary is an evil warmonger! The Clinton era was the same as the
Reagan-Bush era! Obama will saave us from the evil clutches of the
DLC and people like Joe Lieberman! We will finally, FINALLY get rid of
all those moderate, centrist, Republican-lite politicians like the
Clintons and achieve ideological purity if we just elect Obama, at which
point all racism will also disappear and the world will move into a more
enlightened Age!

Where do I begin with this nonsense? Well, how about the fate of the
Queen of All Evil, Hillary Clinton? Looks like instead of slinking back
to the Senate in shame, discredited for evah and evah, La Rodham is much
more in this situation.
  [Now, Who Will Bring Me Cake?] 

Now, Who Will Bring Me Cake?

Rumors are flying with great abandon about Senator Clinton's future.
Will she be Secretary of State
 ? Will she take the job Ted Kennedy offered her
  in order to keep her autonomy and work on the
issue that is nearest and dearest to her heart, Universal Health Care?
Will she run for President ever again? Fiddle-dee-dee, what's a girl
to do?

One thing is certain: Senator Clinton is one of the most sought-after
names in the country right now. Guess all that stuff Obama said about
her foreign policy experience being limited to drinking tea
  and other ceremonial activities
  was just a bunch of hooey. And even Ted Kennedy, the
biggest Obama supporter in the Senate, realizes he shouldn't work on
reforming health care without her. Aw, so sad, too bad, Cheetos.
Bamboozled again.

But wait, there's more haid-exploding news for the Obamabots:

Hello, Holy Joe!

Howard Dean says Joe Lieberman was kept in the Democratic caucus because
the Senate was following Barack Obama's lead
 . But then, the Huffington Post reported as much over a
week ago
 . So no, Firedoglake idiots, Joe Lieberman's fate is not
"Clinton's call," as you so ludicrously claimed in your
latest "action" email to me. Your CDS is fucking embarrassing at
this point. Let it go. You got your Messiah and it's all on him now.

Evil Clintonites Being Drafted into Obama Administration At Speed of
Light.

As we all know, Obamabots are incredibly invested in ridding the party
of all centrist, DLC influences, since they are diluting the purity of
the progressive movement, don'tcha know; and anyone who voted for
the war is right out. (Still trying to figure out what this movement is
all about, since throwing the working class out of the Democratic Party
doesn't seem too progressive to me.) How's that workin' out
for them so far
 ? Rahm Emanuel, DLC mucky-muck, warmonger and Clintonite,
is Obama's Chief of Staff. Eric Holder, Clintonite and influential
advocate of the Marc Rich pardon, is Obama's Attorney General. John
Po

[FairfieldLife] Off-Kilter goes off deep end and starts referring to himself in the third person

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:


[snip]

> OffWorld prediction : He will donate it to the TMO within 5 years.
> (offworld has not been wrong on any prediction given  on FFl , and was
> the first to show outright support for Obama of anyone on FFL -- a 
fact
> that I know half of you cannot stomach  yet you know it is a fact,
> and are too cowardly to acknolwdge itHa ha haOffWorld fukin' 
aa
> PWNS FFL ! )
> 
> OffWorld
>


OffWorld was also the first to come out with a blatantly racist put-
down of Obama saying that they will start calling the official 
residence of the president the "Black House".

You're a sick individual who harbors racist thoughts that emanate from 
an obviously racist sub-conscience.  If it's not imagined lawsuits that 
you are initiating against innocent guys like new.morning because of 
imagined slights he made against your ex-wife, it is racist comments 
about the president-elect, which you think you can get away with 
because, apparently, you support him (which is another sick thing 
because he is the opposite of that other candidate you supported).

See if you can't get some professional help...soon!

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Didanyone else here used to thin what an asshole Kaplan was flying his 10 millio

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of off_world_beings
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:58 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Didanyone else here used to thin what an
asshole Kaplan was flying his 10 millio

 

>So?, he's still an unbelievably unhappy little MF with no hope left inside
him. What the fuck good is money to him?
>That was my whole point in the previous post. The arrogant fucks that
constantly fart around in 10 million dollar jets are destined to a serious
cold wind blowing >in their hearts.
>And you post this as if that is a victory for him? What is wrong with you?
>He is a very sad person, lost in his finances. He would be MUCH happier
destitute.

Pretty big assumptions there OffWorld. How do you know he isn't happy. Can
you judge another's state of happiness? Wealth is relative. If you have $300
million, maybe a $10 jet is a luxury you can afford. Oprah has one. Is she a
jerk? Should she take commercial flights? BTW, I heard he sold his house to
some farmer. A rich one, apparently.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Didanyone else here used to thin what an asshole Kaplan was flying his 10 millio

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , off_world_beings 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Did anyone else here used to think what an asshole Kaplan was
> flying his
> > 10 million dollar private jet around Fairfield?
> >
> > I mean,  I have no problem with someone being rich, but to be such
> an
> > asshole about it and ridiculously egocentric as to think he needs a
> big
> > jet to be important. I thought he was an asshole then for that, but
> I
> > don't believe he is totally because I met him one on one a couple of
> > times and we had good talks. I liked him. But what possesses people
> to
> > this arrogant level of self-importance and pollution of the
> atmosphere
> > that so often happens?
> > Where is Earl now anyways? Does he still hate Maharishi?
> > How is his golf resort in North Carolina?
> > And why doesn't he just go ahead and give that mansion I helped put
> the
> > best finishing touches in FF to MUM, and get over his pathetic ego.
> >
> > OffWorld prediction : He will donate it to the TMO within 5 years.
> > (offworld has not been wrong on any prediction given  on FFl , and
> was
> > the first to show outright support for Obama of anyone on FFL -- a
> fact
> > that I know half of you cannot stomach  yet you know it is a
> fact,
> > and are too cowardly to acknolwdge itHa ha haOffWorld
> fukin' aa
> > PWNS FFL ! )
> >
> > OffWorld
> >
>
>
> ***
>
> I just realized that the company to which Reader's Digest just sold
> Books Are Fun for a pittance was started by Earl Kaplan in 2004
> (evidently when his noncompete agreement expired) -- so he gets BAF
> back for less than 5% of what he sold it for!!!
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6roezz 
>

So?, he's still an unbelievably unhappy little MF with no hope left
inside him. What the fuck good is money to him?
That was my whole point in the previous post. The arrogant fucks that 
constantly fart around in 10 million dollar jets are destined to a
serious cold wind blowing in their hearts.
And you post this as if that is a victory for him? What is wrong with
you?
He is a very sad person, lost in his finances. He would be MUCH happier
destitute.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dump no babies -- a sign of the times

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Folks are putting these stickers on dumpsters to discourage people
from
> throwing babies in the trash (it's legal to turn in unwanted children
> within 72 hours after birth at firehouses and hospitals).
> http://tinyurl.com/5ppjub  
 >
>


Ha ha ha, fukin' redneck republican states are in meltdown. They want to
ban abortion but don't want to help women with babies.
Fuck the redneck republicans, they are drowning themselves.
The brain drain from republican states will be extreme, and will destroy
them

OffWorld prediction:
The brain drain from republican states will be extreme and will destroy
those states.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Dumber than Dumber

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > shempmcgurk wrote:
> > > Let Detroit Go Bankrupt
> > >
> > >
> > > By MITT ROMNEY
> > > Published: November 18, 2008
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > First, their huge disadvantage in costs relative to foreign
> brands
> > > must be eliminated. That means new labor agreements to align pay
> and
> > > benefits to match those of workers at competitors like BMW,
> Honda,
> > > Nissan and Toyota. Furthermore, retiree benefits must be reduced
> so
> > > that the total burden per auto for domestic makers is not higher
> than
> > > that of foreign producers.
> > >
> > > That extra burden is estimated to be more than $2,000 per car.
> Think
> > > what that means: Ford, for example, needs to cut $2,000 worth of
> > > features and quality out of its Taurus to compete with Toyota's
> > > Avalon. Of course the Avalon feels like a better product — it
has
> > > $2,000 more put into it. Considering this disadvantage, Detroit
> has
> > > done a remarkable job of designing and engineering its cars. But
> if
> > > this cost penalty persists, any bailout will only delay the
> > > inevitable.
> > Good argument for single payer health care.
> >
> > And BTW, even with the bailout who says anyone is going buy those
> cars?
>
>
> Good point.
>
> GM spent $1 billion on the EV1 and there was no market for them.>>

Ha ha ha, you're back, you dumbass!
The Ev1 was incredibly popular.
Chevron-Texaco sued Toyota to recall ALL their EV Ravs, and bribed the
GM executives to recall all their EV1's. They were all totally destroyed
in wrecking yards BY LAW you stupid brainwashed loser. I know top
executives in Chevron, I can ask them if you want?

It was PURE CORRUPTION at its best, but you are dumb to have been so
totally taken in by it all.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Didanyone else here used to thin what an asshole Kaplan was flying his 10 millio

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> Did anyone else here used to think what an asshole Kaplan was 
flying his
> 10 million dollar private jet around Fairfield?
> 
> I mean,  I have no problem with someone being rich, but to be such 
an
> asshole about it and ridiculously egocentric as to think he needs a 
big
> jet to be important. I thought he was an asshole then for that, but 
I
> don't believe he is totally because I met him one on one a couple of
> times and we had good talks. I liked him. But what possesses people 
to
> this arrogant level of self-importance and pollution of the 
atmosphere
> that so often happens?
> Where is Earl now anyways? Does he still hate Maharishi?
> How is his golf resort in North Carolina?
> And why doesn't he just go ahead and give that mansion I helped put 
the
> best finishing touches in FF to MUM, and get over his pathetic ego.
> 
> OffWorld prediction : He will donate it to the TMO within 5 years.
> (offworld has not been wrong on any prediction given  on FFl , and 
was
> the first to show outright support for Obama of anyone on FFL -- a 
fact
> that I know half of you cannot stomach  yet you know it is a 
fact,
> and are too cowardly to acknolwdge itHa ha haOffWorld 
fukin' aa
> PWNS FFL ! )
> 
> OffWorld
>


***

I just realized that the company to which Reader's Digest just sold 
Books Are Fun for a pittance was started by Earl Kaplan in 2004 
(evidently when his noncompete agreement expired) -- so he gets BAF 
back for less than 5% of what he sold it for!!!

http://tinyurl.com/6roezz 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Zero star hotel

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122703067718937951.html

>

Cool.Looks like th places acroos continental Europe called "Formul Un"
...I think.
Those places were $20 a night, small but perfectly clean and safe,
totally new,and the shared bathrooms and showers were not shared at all
really. You just had to walk down the hall to them.
Other than that they were totally private, and when you left the shower
or toilet, the whole thing seriously self-cleaned itself automatically
and was totally clean for the next person. It was quite amazong, and
never once did we have to wait for a shower or toilet. The rooms mostly
had wondows though, but not necessary.

It was very cool. Breakfast was good too.

Do they have them in Spain Turquoise?

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Didanyone else here used to thin what an asshole Kaplan was flying his 10 millio

[off_world_beings]

Did anyone else here used to think what an asshole Kaplan was flying his
10 million dollar private jet around Fairfield?

I mean,  I have no problem with someone being rich, but to be such an
asshole about it and ridiculously egocentric as to think he needs a big
jet to be important. I thought he was an asshole then for that, but I
don't believe he is totally because I met him one on one a couple of
times and we had good talks. I liked him. But what possesses people to
this arrogant level of self-importance and pollution of the atmosphere
that so often happens?
Where is Earl now anyways? Does he still hate Maharishi?
How is his golf resort in North Carolina?
And why doesn't he just go ahead and give that mansion I helped put the
best finishing touches in FF to MUM, and get over his pathetic ego.

OffWorld prediction : He will donate it to the TMO within 5 years.
(offworld has not been wrong on any prediction given  on FFl , and was
the first to show outright support for Obama of anyone on FFL -- a fact
that I know half of you cannot stomach  yet you know it is a fact,
and are too cowardly to acknolwdge itHa ha haOffWorld fukin' aa
PWNS FFL ! )

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Exploding Heads

[raunchydog]

Obamabot heads are exploding. Will Obama fall off his pedestal and lose
the love of leftie bloggers if Hillary becomes Secretary of State? Poor
Josh Marshall at TPM Talking Points Memo says, "I still need some
help understanding this decision." During the primary, he overlooked
anything critical of Obama and trashed Hillary at every opportunity. He
had a severe case of Clinton Derangement Syndrome and bloggers who
supported Hillary had a running joke about "Who captured Josh
Marshall?"



If Hillary becomes Secretary of State and bloggers like Josh continue to
trash her with the same level of sexist vitriol they are accustomed to,
do they risk accusations of undermining national security? The TV
Hillary haters like Chris Matthews and Christopher Hitchens are
sputtering madly attempting to derail her.



I stopped reading Taylor Marsh after the primary when she jumped
Hillary's ship and banned me for posting criticisms of Obama.
Although I admired her keen intellect, and no B.S. attitude, with great
regret I stopped reading her blog. Taylor has always been a solid
Democrat and a great Hillary supporter throughout the primary and I
respected her for that.  Today Taylor redeemed herself with a great post
dissecting the crazy fantasies of exploding heads.



Bill 'Helping' Hillary to Become the Next Secretary of State
BY TAYLOR MARSH 11.19.2008  http://tinyurl.com/5z2c33
<http://tinyurl.com/5z2c33>

Well no kidding.

Reporters have to write something, especially when facing the biggest
storyof the post-election season. But in their rush, most are
stumblingover themselves
<http://mediamatters.org/items/200811180015?f=h_top> , as are talking   
head hosts <http://mediamatters.org/items/200811180017?f=h_top>  and
their guests oncable <http://mediamatters.org/items/200811190011> .
But it was Ken Vogel of Politico who really nailed it today, saying
something I've already warned about. Vogel said on MSNBC that it's the
same people who have a "predilection for leaking things" who are
talking. Bingo. (Politico should be thankful someone over there is
getting something right on this one.) If you're known as a leaker, you
likely don't really know anything anymore. But no doubt news outlets are
grateful.

Credit to the people over at Salon's "War Room" for themost accurate
headline of the day
<http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/11/19/clinton/index.html> .

As for "Obama'sfirst drama,"
<http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/11/10967__hillary_cli\
nton_obama_secretary_of_state_drama.html>  David Corn needs to look in
the mirror. The Clintonshaven't said one word about the nomination
or the process, apart from originalstatements referring questions to
the Obama-Biden transition team. It's peoplelike Corn, Chris
Matthews, and Christopher Hitchens and the hack pack presswho are
doing the writing, relying on people with a "predilection for leaking   
things." What do these guys expect? That Hillary should be contentto
live with her senate and first lady resume, as good as it is, because
theboys can't handle her prowess? The "Obama drama" isn't HRC's
fault.It's Corn, et al.

Clintonto help Hillary get State job
<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081119/ap_on_go_pr_wh/clinton_secretary_of\
_state> , says an AP headline by Beth Fouhy. Details of the report do
make for an interesting read.


"Bill Clinton will not be the obstacle to whether Hillary gets this 
job or not," said one Democrat familiar with the situation. Another
person  added: "He's willing to be as transparent as the Obama world
wants."  - The  Wall Street Journal
<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122706609633840173.html>

Nothing of note there either.

Politico's MikeAllen and Glenn Thrush
<http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15775.html> , the two men
responsible for "exasperation,"
<http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=28781> as well as
one "Clinton insider" said HRCmay turn down the SoS position
<http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=28788> , respectively,
both stories absolute rubbish,with one proven unequivocally so, have
a post up with both their names in thebyline.

The Times
<http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/us/politics/19clinton.html?_r=1&ref=p\
olitics> parrots Thrush today
<http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/us/politics/19clinton.html?_r=1&ref=p\
olitics> , so there's two reporters talking to one or two Clinton   
fans who seem to simply want HRC to have options, leaving Hillary and
Obamaan out if it doesn't work out. Lame at best. Same message on
Bill, which isthe only consistent, however obvious, narrative out
there.


"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Black Friday Blu-Ray Deal

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:48 PM, bob_brigante 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > My local Kmart is unusually stupid, even for a shoddy and
> > disorganized place like KM -- they post somebody at one exit door,
> > but never at the other exit at the garden section, so I just use 
the
> > unmonitored exit. Target is the least annoying place to shop, plus
> > they never ask for ID when I use a credit card.
> >
> 


> I accused the store manager of a Wal-Mart in a marginalized part of
> town of racial profiling.  I said that I was the only one who seemed
> to be asked for my ID when I used a credit card.  I said that the
> other customers used credit cards and were never asked for ID.  He
> explained to me that the other customers we not using credit cards,
> they were using Texas Star (welfare) debit cards and the PIN is used
> for ID.
>

***

The local WM here in SoCal has many self-service lanes, and I have 
never had the clerk who supervises the section-of-4-registers bother 
to come over and ask for ID, while they frequently do so at the 
manned registers. After all my pissing and moaning about WM, guess 
where I shopped today? Yeah, but I did use the selfserve lane...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt

[gullible fool]

 
This mechanic is not like that at all. Honda service recommended I replace the 
timing belt and wanted $925 for that. I asked this other mechanic what his 
price was and he asked me how many miles were on the car and when I said about 
65,000 he said you don't need it. His price would have been about $300 less if 
I did need it. Honda recommended replacing the ball joints and they other 
mechanic did that for $90 less.
 
What was really annoying was Honda recommends the timing belt be replaced 
when a car reaches something like 100,000 to 120,000 miles or seven years. I 
bought my car new at their dealership exactly six years before, so this was way 
too early and who knows if I will even have the car when the seven years are up.
 
"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: 
Let Detroit go bankrupt
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 10:27 PM

gullible fool wrote:
>  
> What happens if you fail to turn off the lights on your electric car? Do
all the batteries drain out?
>   
They may work like the Subaru.  When I turn off my engine the light go 
off.  If you need them for some reason you can turn the key to just have 
them.  I've never run down my battery leaving the lights on because of
that.
> I had two new tires put on my car today and the service department said
the battery was a bit weak and that it was something to look out for. I called a
mechanic who usually has better prices and asked what it would cost for a new
battery. $163! For a Honda!
>   
Go to Sears and see what they say.  Sounds like you may be getting 
ripped off.  These days with the economy many of the service places are 
scamming because of the lack of traffic.  Be wary, very wary.  Some of 
the consumer reports on news shows are tipping folks to these scams.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> gullible fool wrote:
> >  
> > What happens if you fail to turn off the lights on your electric 
car? Do all the batteries drain out?
> >   
> They may work like the Subaru.  When I turn off my engine the 
light go 
> off.  If you need them for some reason you can turn the key to 
just have 
> them.  I've never run down my battery leaving the lights on 
because of that.
> > I had two new tires put on my car today and the service 
department said the battery was a bit weak and that it was something 
to look out for. I called a mechanic who usually has better prices 
and asked what it would cost for a new battery. $163! For a Honda!
> >   
> Go to Sears and see what they say.  Sounds like you may be getting 
> ripped off.  These days with the economy many of the service 
places are 
> scamming because of the lack of traffic.  Be wary, very wary.  
Some of 
> the consumer reports on news shows are tipping folks to these 
scams.
>
a mechanic's markup is usually 100%. i agree, go to sears and buy 
one, then put it in yourself. it is easy and you'll save another $50.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt

[Bhairitu]

gullible fool wrote:
>  
> What happens if you fail to turn off the lights on your electric car? Do all 
> the batteries drain out?
>   
They may work like the Subaru.  When I turn off my engine the light go 
off.  If you need them for some reason you can turn the key to just have 
them.  I've never run down my battery leaving the lights on because of that.
> I had two new tires put on my car today and the service department said the 
> battery was a bit weak and that it was something to look out for. I called a 
> mechanic who usually has better prices and asked what it would cost for a new 
> battery. $163! For a Honda!
>   
Go to Sears and see what they say.  Sounds like you may be getting 
ripped off.  These days with the economy many of the service places are 
scamming because of the lack of traffic.  Be wary, very wary.  Some of 
the consumer reports on news shows are tipping folks to these scams.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt

[gullible fool]

I recently listened to a program about electric cars and it always comes down
to problems with the batteries. They don't hold enough power for typical
driving habits. As soon as a more efficient battery is developed the electric
car will take off.
 
What happens if you fail to turn off the lights on your electric car? Do all 
the batteries drain out?

I had two new tires put on my car today and the service department said the 
battery was a bit weak and that it was something to look out for. I called a 
mechanic who usually has better prices and asked what it would cost for a new 
battery. $163! For a Honda!
 
"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 7:25 PM

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 7:08 PM
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > >
> > > Good point.
> > >
> > > GM spent $1 billion on the EV1 and there was no
> market for them.
> > >   
> > Not true. Rent "Who Killed the Electric
> Car?" on DVD. The county 
> here 
> > used EV1s and they have some SmartCars at the moment
> and they may 
> be 
> > testing a Subaru electric in the future. You could
> only lease an 
> EV1 and 
> > they recalled them much to the chagrin of the owners
> (many who were 
> famous).
> 
> 
> I've seen it three times...and corresponded with the
> director.
> 
> Great film.  The director is making a follow-up film in
> which he 
> touts the plug-in hybrid as the best thing.  Indeed, he
> kinda comes 
> to that conclusion at the end of "Who killed...".
> 
> Look, GM aren't idiots.  If they could have made money
> selling the 
> EVI they would be the first ones to do it.
> 
> The concept didn't work because -- as we've
> discussed here umpteen 
> times -- the battery range was only about, maximum, 100
> miles and no 
> one is going to use a car like that when we all makes trips
> of more 
> than 100 miles at least once or twice a month.

I recently listened to a program about electric cars and it always comes down
to problems with the batteries. They don't hold enough power for typical
driving habits. As soon as a more efficient battery is developed the electric
car will take off.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] A Guide For Men On How Not To Be Misogynist

[gullible fool]

Where does sidha Dick Johnson fit into this list?
 
"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Guide For Men On How Not To Be Misogynist
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 3:29 PM

It has come to our attention here at the National
Association for Gender-neutrality (NAG) that some 
sensitivity has been expressed lately about
referring to a person of the female persuasion 
using epithets that are commonly associated with 
that sex or its anatomy.

Therefore our recommendation is that in the future,
when tempted to hurl an insult at a female, you
limit yourself to epithets that are gender-neutral
or that are clearly about males. 

A list of some of these terms has been provided
below for your convenience. Use them wisely. 


Male epithets:

cock
dick
dickhead
dickwad
johnson
Little Elvis
prick
wang
wanger


Gender-neutral epithets:

asshole (everybody's got one, but not everybody is one)
pooh-pooh head (everyone has both pooh and a head, too)
idiot (some would disagree that this one is gender-neutral)






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama-jaya-hetu-dvayam?

[Sal Sunshine]

On Nov 19, 2008, at 8:21 PM, sparaig wrote:

> Actually, I've found that using gender-neutral terms when insulting  
> a woman
> gets a MUCH bigger response. Example called a woman a "jerk" once  
> instead
> of a "bitch."  She was quite upset.

LOL...this is really funny, spare.
Can't please em all, I guess!

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama-jaya-hetu-dvayam?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > As I wrote about earlier, pretending that the
> > > criticism or insult aimed at you *personally*
> > > is really about a group is an old cultist's 
> > > trick, used to pretend it really *isn't* 
> > > about you personally. But it is.
> > 
> > Following up on this, just because it's a 
> > fun topic, I think the issue is that some
> > people react to being called a name by
> > pretending that the name was "really" meant 
> > to refer not to them personally but to a 
> > group that they feel that they are "symbols" 
> > for.
> 
> No, Barry, nobody here reacts that way. You
> made that up.
> 
> Here's the real issue: It simply doesn't occur
> to men who don't have an underlying streak of
> misogyny to insult/attack/criticize a woman
> using terms that denigrate her on the basis of
> her gender.
> 
> Doing so is therefore a sure sign of a bad
> attitude toward women. *Especially* in a
> person who styles himself a writer, I might add,
> because he presumably has a larger and more
> varied vocabulary on which to draw to formulate
> his criticisms/insults/attacks.
> 
> It's a dead giveaway. And the pretense here is
> all yours.
>

Actually, I've found that using gender-neutral terms when insulting a woman
 gets a MUCH bigger response. Example called a woman a "jerk" once instead 
of a "bitch."  She was quite upset.


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 11/19/08, shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > From: shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 7:08 PM
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > shempmcgurk wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > > >
> > > > Good point.
> > > >
> > > > GM spent $1 billion on the EV1 and there was no
> > market for them.
> > > >   
> > > Not true. Rent "Who Killed the Electric
> > Car?" on DVD. The county 
> > here 
> > > used EV1s and they have some SmartCars at the moment
> > and they may 
> > be 
> > > testing a Subaru electric in the future. You could
> > only lease an 
> > EV1 and 
> > > they recalled them much to the chagrin of the owners
> > (many who were 
> > famous).
> > 
> > 
> > I've seen it three times...and corresponded with the
> > director.
> > 
> > Great film.  The director is making a follow-up film in
> > which he 
> > touts the plug-in hybrid as the best thing.  Indeed, he
> > kinda comes 
> > to that conclusion at the end of "Who killed...".
> > 
> > Look, GM aren't idiots.  If they could have made money
> > selling the 
> > EVI they would be the first ones to do it.
> > 
> > The concept didn't work because -- as we've
> > discussed here umpteen 
> > times -- the battery range was only about, maximum, 100
> > miles and no 
> > one is going to use a car like that when we all makes trips
> > of more 
> > than 100 miles at least once or twice a month.
> 
> I recently listened to a program about electric cars and it always 
comes down to problems with the batteries. They don't hold enough 
power for typical driving habits. As soon as a more efficient battery 
is developed the electric car will take off.



I think you're right.

Rick posted here several months ago about a company in Texas, I 
think, that was working on a revolutionary new type of battery 
(porcelaine?) that would hold hundreds of miles of travel worth of 
power.

I never like government getting involved in these things too much but 
I recall McCain's call early in the election campaign that we should 
have a contest awarding $300 million to the first company that could 
come up with such a battery.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt

[Bhairitu]

shempmcgurk wrote:
> Let Detroit Go Bankrupt 
>
>   
Looks like foreign auto makers aren't faring too well here either:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/business/economy/19ports.html?_r=4&pagewanted=print
or
*http://tinyurl.com/5lyft4

*

[FairfieldLife] Special meeting with Dr. Morris and Raja Hagelin

[Dick Mays]

From: Office of the President <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Everyone is warmly invited to a meeting in the Maharishi Patanjali 
Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge at 8:15 pm on Friday, for an evening of 
the latest Movement news and inspiration with Dr. Bevan Morris and 
Raja John Hagelin, the Raja of Invincible America, who will both be 
there in person.


Please bring your current program badge.

Jai Guru Dev

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Black Friday Blu-Ray Deal

[I am the eternal]

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:48 PM, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My local Kmart is unusually stupid, even for a shoddy and
> disorganized place like KM -- they post somebody at one exit door,
> but never at the other exit at the garden section, so I just use the
> unmonitored exit. Target is the least annoying place to shop, plus
> they never ask for ID when I use a credit card.
>

I accused the store manager of a Wal-Mart in a marginalized part of
town of racial profiling.  I said that I was the only one who seemed
to be asked for my ID when I used a credit card.  I said that the
other customers used credit cards and were never asked for ID.  He
explained to me that the other customers we not using credit cards,
they were using Texas Star (welfare) debit cards and the PIN is used
for ID.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt

[Bhairitu]

shempmcgurk wrote:
> The concept didn't work because -- as we've discussed here umpteen 
> times -- the battery range was only about, maximum, 100 miles and no 
> one is going to use a car like that when we all makes trips of more 
> than 100 miles at least once or twice a month.
You're missing my point.  Keep a second car for the long trips.  A lot 
of people would do that.  Yes, I would exchange the whole mess for a 
plug-in hybrid but that won't be available here until 2010 (at least 
without voiding a warranty).   The current range of the battery powered 
cars are just fine for my trips to the store, theater, video rental, 
Fry's, Target, Home Depot and my daily walks.  My Forester would be used 
for trips like the 80 mile round trip to see relatives and friends.  But 
I only do those occasionally.  All of that is mostly freeway where the 
Forester gets good mileage.

Of course the way the economy is headed we'll be lucky if we can afford 
a Trikke.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The non-tinyurl world record holder: Dr. Pete!

[Peter]

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] The non-tinyurl world record holder: Dr. Pete!
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 7:04 PM
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > 
> > http://images.google.com/imgres?
> imgurl=http://www.evworld.com/images/ev1_cutaway.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ww
> w.evworld.com/view.cfm%3Fsection%3Darticle%26storyid%
> 3D875&usg=__gHv7IVEpgSfK_-
> GSaf1_UCd1a98=&h=276&w=360&sz=50&hl=en&start=17&um=1&tbnid=qfHHJJKG4cAck
> M:&tbnh=93&tbnw=121&prev=/images%3Fq%3DEV1%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%
> 3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN
> >
> 
> 
> ...and it actually works!

Shemp, I was shocked too! I just grabbed the web address in my browser not 
realizing that I had Googled an EV1 picture that was part of the article and it 
was still on a Google page. But it works. Just don't memorize it! 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt

[Peter]

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 7:08 PM
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > >
> > > Good point.
> > >
> > > GM spent $1 billion on the EV1 and there was no
> market for them.
> > >   
> > Not true. Rent "Who Killed the Electric
> Car?" on DVD. The county 
> here 
> > used EV1s and they have some SmartCars at the moment
> and they may 
> be 
> > testing a Subaru electric in the future. You could
> only lease an 
> EV1 and 
> > they recalled them much to the chagrin of the owners
> (many who were 
> famous).
> 
> 
> I've seen it three times...and corresponded with the
> director.
> 
> Great film.  The director is making a follow-up film in
> which he 
> touts the plug-in hybrid as the best thing.  Indeed, he
> kinda comes 
> to that conclusion at the end of "Who killed...".
> 
> Look, GM aren't idiots.  If they could have made money
> selling the 
> EVI they would be the first ones to do it.
> 
> The concept didn't work because -- as we've
> discussed here umpteen 
> times -- the battery range was only about, maximum, 100
> miles and no 
> one is going to use a car like that when we all makes trips
> of more 
> than 100 miles at least once or twice a month.

I recently listened to a program about electric cars and it always comes down 
to problems with the batteries. They don't hold enough power for typical 
driving habits. As soon as a more efficient battery is developed the electric 
car will take off.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> shempmcgurk wrote:


[snip]

> >
> > Good point.
> >
> > GM spent $1 billion on the EV1 and there was no market for them.
> >   
> Not true. Rent "Who Killed the Electric Car?" on DVD. The county 
here 
> used EV1s and they have some SmartCars at the moment and they may 
be 
> testing a Subaru electric in the future. You could only lease an 
EV1 and 
> they recalled them much to the chagrin of the owners (many who were 
famous).


I've seen it three times...and corresponded with the director.

Great film.  The director is making a follow-up film in which he 
touts the plug-in hybrid as the best thing.  Indeed, he kinda comes 
to that conclusion at the end of "Who killed...".

Look, GM aren't idiots.  If they could have made money selling the 
EVI they would be the first ones to do it.

The concept didn't work because -- as we've discussed here umpteen 
times -- the battery range was only about, maximum, 100 miles and no 
one is going to use a car like that when we all makes trips of more 
than 100 miles at least once or twice a month.

[snip]

[FairfieldLife] The non-tinyurl world record holder: Dr. Pete!

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


[snip]

> 
> http://images.google.com/imgres?
imgurl=http://www.evworld.com/images/ev1_cutaway.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ww
w.evworld.com/view.cfm%3Fsection%3Darticle%26storyid%
3D875&usg=__gHv7IVEpgSfK_-
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...and it actually works!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt

[Bhairitu]

shempmcgurk wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> shempmcgurk wrote:
>> 
>>> Let Detroit Go Bankrupt 
>>>
>>>
>>> By MITT ROMNEY
>>> Published: November 18, 2008 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> First, their huge disadvantage in costs relative to foreign 
>>>   
> brands 
>   
>>> must be eliminated. That means new labor agreements to align pay 
>>>   
> and 
>   
>>> benefits to match those of workers at competitors like BMW, 
>>>   
> Honda, 
>   
>>> Nissan and Toyota. Furthermore, retiree benefits must be reduced 
>>>   
> so 
>   
>>> that the total burden per auto for domestic makers is not higher 
>>>   
> than 
>   
>>> that of foreign producers. 
>>>
>>> That extra burden is estimated to be more than $2,000 per car. 
>>>   
> Think 
>   
>>> what that means: Ford, for example, needs to cut $2,000 worth of 
>>> features and quality out of its Taurus to compete with Toyota's 
>>> Avalon. Of course the Avalon feels like a better product — it has 
>>> $2,000 more put into it. Considering this disadvantage, Detroit 
>>>   
> has 
>   
>>> done a remarkable job of designing and engineering its cars. But 
>>>   
> if 
>   
>>> this cost penalty persists, any bailout will only delay the 
>>> inevitable.
>>>   
>> Good argument for single payer health care.
>>
>> And BTW, even with the bailout who says anyone is going buy those 
>> 
> cars? 
>
>
> Good point.
>
> GM spent $1 billion on the EV1 and there was no market for them.
>   
Not true. Rent "Who Killed the Electric Car?" on DVD. The county here 
used EV1s and they have some SmartCars at the moment and they may be 
testing a Subaru electric in the future. You could only lease an EV1 and 
they recalled them much to the chagrin of the owners (many who were famous).
>
>
>   
>> Are they supposed to be charity purchases by the rich? How 'bout 
>> 
> some 
>   
>> sub $10K electric cars for those of us who don't travel a lot and 
>> 
> just 
>   
>> jaunt around town for chores?
>> 
>
>
>
>
> You've got it already.
>
> It's called the Segueway (it's a convertible).
>
> Or you can try one of those Rikshaws I loved to travel around on in 
> India...you know, little cabs built around a scotter.  And you should 
> get it for LESS than $10,000.
>   
It has to run on a freeway. I make short jaunts where I jump on the 
freeway. So it has to go at least 60 mph. The Subaru electric will do 
that but will cost $18K. The defunct Chrysler dealer up the street was 
selling Gem Cars which are electrics and there were sub $10K models. 
Problem was they were elaborate golf carts and only did 25 mph. A few 
people bought them and the county still operates some downtown probably 
for carrier stuff. People who bought them probably got tired of annoyed 
motorists tailgating them on the streets made for 35 mph. And Gem was 
unclear of the concept and didn't make anything like a rickshaw.




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[FairfieldLife] For all you sanitizer freaks out there...

[Sal Sunshine]

Hospital Warning: Antibacterial Wipes Found to Spread Superbugs
by David Gutierrez

(NaturalNews) The disinfectant wipes used in hospitals are more likely  
to spread dangerous infections than to prevent them as currently used,  
a study conducted by researchers from Cardiff University and presented  
at the general meeting of the American Society of Microbiology in  
Boston has warned.


Researchers observed the cleaning procedures in the intensive care  
units of two Welsh hospitals. They noted that staff tended to use  
disinfectant wipes on more than one surface, rather than using a clean  
wipe for each surface.


"There was a tendency for the staff in the intensive-care unit to ...  
move on to consecutive surfaces in close proximity to the initial  
surface," said lead researcher Gareth Williams. "So from a bed rail to  
a table, for instance. ... with the same wipe. That set the alarm  
bells ringing."


The researchers then tested how effective three different types of  
disinfectant wipes were at killing and removing methicillin-resistant  
Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA). One type of wipe contained a detergent,  
another contained a disinfectant and the last contained a natural  
antimicrobial.


Rather than killing most of the bacteria on a surface, the wipes were  
more likely to scoop them up.


http://tinyurl.com/5l4nk2

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Let Detroit Go Bankrupt 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Absolutely. Only a Ch. 11 (reorganization) bankruptcy judge can free GM 
> and others from the onerous labor costs (GM=$71/hr, Toyota $48/hr) and 
> other factors that prohibit Detroit from being competitive. Bailouts 
> would do nothing to resolve the systemic problems, as the Brits found 
> with Leyland: 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/business/economy/18car.html


Here are some other elements to consider:


Chinese Want To Buy the Big 3

By: Jane Hamsher - Wednesday November 19, 2008   


Per Marcy, who predicted it --  the Chinese car makers SAIC and
Dongfeng have plans to acquire the Big 3:


A take-over of a large overseas auto maker would fit perfectly
into China's plans. As reported before, China has realized that its
export chances are slim without unfettered access to foreign
technology. The brand cachet of Chinese cars abroad is, shall we say,
challenged. The Chinese could easily export Made-in-China VWs,
Toyotas, Buicks. If their joint venture partner would let them. The
solution: Buy the joint venture partner. Especially, when he's in deep
trouble.

At current market valuations (GM is worth less than Mattel) the
Chinese government can afford to buy GM with petty cash. Even a
hundred billion $ would barely dent China's more than $2t in currency
reserves. For nobody in the world would buying GM and (while they are
at it) Chrysler make more sense than for the Chinese. Overlap? What
overlap? They would gain instant access to the world's markets with
accepted brands, and proven technology.


All the Shock Doctrine fanatics cheering to drive the the Big 3 into
bankruptcy "restructuring" (like Mitt Romney, who can kiss future
hopes of electoral victory in Michigan goodbye), whereby they stiff
all their creditors and stockholders and tear up their union
contracts, might want to think about the implications of this.

Of course the same legislators clamouring for bankruptcy could block
the sale.  But in doing so, and at the same time refusing a bridge
loan, they are basically legislating the destruction of the Big 3 by
refusing to let the "free market" they love to bang on about have its
way and pay the company's legitimate debts. Or were all those
insufferable lectures about "personal responsibility" when the
bankruptcy bill was going through just so much claptrap?

Because selling the company would be far preferable to the Big 3 and
those who are dependent on them than Chapter 7.  But long-term it
would not be without peril for the US.  As ThingsComeUndone notes in
the comments:


With no big three making cars what to stop Toyota and Honda from
moving the plants to Mexico where costs are really low. Its only the
threat of being shut out of the American market that keeps the
Japanese building cars here.  If we no longer have cars made in
America by American companies we will have no choice but to buy their
cars no matter where they are made.


I know long-term thinking isn't his forte.  But as Richard Shelby is
salivating at the prospect of yet another BMW SUV plant in his
right-to-work state, it might be something for him to consider.

Links here:
http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/better-think-twice-about-selling-off-the-big-3/

http://tinyurl.com/6x32hf

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt

[Peter]

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 5:32 PM
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > shempmcgurk wrote:
> > > Let Detroit Go Bankrupt 
> > >
> > >
> > > By MITT ROMNEY
> > > Published: November 18, 2008 
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > First, their huge disadvantage in costs relative
> to foreign 
> brands 
> > > must be eliminated. That means new labor
> agreements to align pay 
> and 
> > > benefits to match those of workers at competitors
> like BMW, 
> Honda, 
> > > Nissan and Toyota. Furthermore, retiree benefits
> must be reduced 
> so 
> > > that the total burden per auto for domestic
> makers is not higher 
> than 
> > > that of foreign producers. 
> > >
> > > That extra burden is estimated to be more than
> $2,000 per car. 
> Think 
> > > what that means: Ford, for example, needs to cut
> $2,000 worth of 
> > > features and quality out of its Taurus to compete
> with Toyota's 
> > > Avalon. Of course the Avalon feels like a better
> product — it has 
> > > $2,000 more put into it. Considering this
> disadvantage, Detroit 
> has 
> > > done a remarkable job of designing and
> engineering its cars. But 
> if 
> > > this cost penalty persists, any bailout will only
> delay the 
> > > inevitable.
> > Good argument for single payer health care.
> > 
> > And BTW, even with the bailout who says anyone is
> going buy those 
> cars? 
> 
> 
> Good point.
> 
> GM spent $1 billion on the EV1 and there was no market for
> them.

Not quite as simple as that:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.evworld.com/images/ev1_cutaway.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm%3Fsection%3Darticle%26storyid%3D875&usg=__gHv7IVEpgSfK_-GSaf1_UCd1a98=&h=276&w=360&sz=50&hl=en&start=17&um=1&tbnid=qfHHJJKG4cAckM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=121&prev=/images%3Fq%3DEV1%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Black Friday Blu-Ray Deal

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> bob_brigante wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" 
> >  wrote:
> >   
> >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:45 PM, bob_brigante 
> >> 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   
> >>> I've had those boneheads demand to search my shopping cart and 
> >>>   
> > see my
> >   
> >>> receipt at the exit. If I wanted to shop in a maximum security
> >>> prison, I would shop at San Quentin. Costco is another place 
> >>>   
> > where I
> >   
> >>> will go only when I have a specific bigticket item in mind that 
I 
> >>>   
> > can
> >   
> >>> save a lot of money on -- they check off every item on the 
receipt
> >>> when you exit, which is truly annoying and intrusive. I usually 
> >>>   
> > brush
> >   
> >>> off the search requests, but who needs the stress...
> >>>
> >>>   
> >
> >
> >   
> >> Wal-Mart has tremendous theft problems.  People actually race 
out of
> >> the store with unpaid for expensive items in their shopping cart,
> >> usually winning despite the cart checkers and security devices.
> >> Wal-Mart and Home Depot are noted for people shop lifting items 
then
> >> returning them for refunds.  If you're checked or not depends 
upon
> >> where you shop.  One Wal-Mart I shop at is on the wrong side of 
> >> 
> > town.
> >   
> >> The other is in the high tech area of town.  In one, I expect to 
be
> >> challenged on the way out.  In the other trying to get some one's
> >> attention when I leave the store is difficult.
> >>
> >> 
> >
> > 
> >
> > I know that Walmart has a theft problem. Two months ago, while 
> > reluctantly entering WM for a specific item, I was nearly bowled 
over 
> > by a young man who had a laptop under his arm and was moving at 
an 
> > impressive rate across the parking lot, pursued by two civilians 
(not 
> > WM staff) -- the guys ran out of breath and the guy got away (if 
he 
> > tries to sign on to the net, I'm sure he can be tracked).
> >
> > But WM's problem is not my problem -- let them use more 
electronic 
> > anti-theft or whatever surveillance they need to do (which should 
not 
> > cost much because of their low pay, about half what local 
supermarket 
> > union employees make), but do not make me stand there like an 
idiot 
> > while they frisk my basket. It's illegal to insist on such a 
search, 
> > since there is no probable cause, so I usually just keep on 
walking 
> > and ignore the request to search, but it just annoys the hell out 
of 
> > me -- and others, I see people arguing with the exit clerks all 
the 
> > time.



> Fry's, K-Mart and Best Buy also do the door checks.  Target has a 
guard 
> as you exit and most likely they are doing some undercover 
surveillance 
> too such as people dressed as shoppers who are watching and 
following 
> people.   There is also an aversion to RFID tags as they are being 
> sometimes used for a lot more than theft prevention.
>




My local Kmart is unusually stupid, even for a shoddy and 
disorganized place like KM -- they post somebody at one exit door, 
but never at the other exit at the garden section, so I just use the 
unmonitored exit. Target is the least annoying place to shop, plus 
they never ask for ID when I use a credit card.

[FairfieldLife] Zero star hotel

[bob_brigante]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122703067718937951.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Black Friday Blu-Ray Deal

[Bhairitu]

bob_brigante wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:45 PM, bob_brigante 
>> 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>>> I've had those boneheads demand to search my shopping cart and 
>>>   
> see my
>   
>>> receipt at the exit. If I wanted to shop in a maximum security
>>> prison, I would shop at San Quentin. Costco is another place 
>>>   
> where I
>   
>>> will go only when I have a specific bigticket item in mind that I 
>>>   
> can
>   
>>> save a lot of money on -- they check off every item on the receipt
>>> when you exit, which is truly annoying and intrusive. I usually 
>>>   
> brush
>   
>>> off the search requests, but who needs the stress...
>>>
>>>   
>
>
>   
>> Wal-Mart has tremendous theft problems.  People actually race out of
>> the store with unpaid for expensive items in their shopping cart,
>> usually winning despite the cart checkers and security devices.
>> Wal-Mart and Home Depot are noted for people shop lifting items then
>> returning them for refunds.  If you're checked or not depends upon
>> where you shop.  One Wal-Mart I shop at is on the wrong side of 
>> 
> town.
>   
>> The other is in the high tech area of town.  In one, I expect to be
>> challenged on the way out.  In the other trying to get some one's
>> attention when I leave the store is difficult.
>>
>> 
>
> 
>
> I know that Walmart has a theft problem. Two months ago, while 
> reluctantly entering WM for a specific item, I was nearly bowled over 
> by a young man who had a laptop under his arm and was moving at an 
> impressive rate across the parking lot, pursued by two civilians (not 
> WM staff) -- the guys ran out of breath and the guy got away (if he 
> tries to sign on to the net, I'm sure he can be tracked).
>
> But WM's problem is not my problem -- let them use more electronic 
> anti-theft or whatever surveillance they need to do (which should not 
> cost much because of their low pay, about half what local supermarket 
> union employees make), but do not make me stand there like an idiot 
> while they frisk my basket. It's illegal to insist on such a search, 
> since there is no probable cause, so I usually just keep on walking 
> and ignore the request to search, but it just annoys the hell out of 
> me -- and others, I see people arguing with the exit clerks all the 
> time.
Fry's, K-Mart and Best Buy also do the door checks.  Target has a guard 
as you exit and most likely they are doing some undercover surveillance 
too such as people dressed as shoppers who are watching and following 
people.   There is also an aversion to RFID tags as they are being 
sometimes used for a lot more than theft prevention.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> shempmcgurk wrote:
> > Let Detroit Go Bankrupt 
> >
> >
> > By MITT ROMNEY
> > Published: November 18, 2008 
> >
> > 
> >
> > First, their huge disadvantage in costs relative to foreign 
brands 
> > must be eliminated. That means new labor agreements to align pay 
and 
> > benefits to match those of workers at competitors like BMW, 
Honda, 
> > Nissan and Toyota. Furthermore, retiree benefits must be reduced 
so 
> > that the total burden per auto for domestic makers is not higher 
than 
> > that of foreign producers. 
> >
> > That extra burden is estimated to be more than $2,000 per car. 
Think 
> > what that means: Ford, for example, needs to cut $2,000 worth of 
> > features and quality out of its Taurus to compete with Toyota's 
> > Avalon. Of course the Avalon feels like a better product — it has 
> > $2,000 more put into it. Considering this disadvantage, Detroit 
has 
> > done a remarkable job of designing and engineering its cars. But 
if 
> > this cost penalty persists, any bailout will only delay the 
> > inevitable.
> Good argument for single payer health care.
> 
> And BTW, even with the bailout who says anyone is going buy those 
cars? 


Good point.

GM spent $1 billion on the EV1 and there was no market for them.



> Are they supposed to be charity purchases by the rich? How 'bout 
some 
> sub $10K electric cars for those of us who don't travel a lot and 
just 
> jaunt around town for chores?




You've got it already.

It's called the Segueway (it's a convertible).

Or you can try one of those Rikshaws I loved to travel around on in 
India...you know, little cabs built around a scotter.  And you should 
get it for LESS than $10,000.


> I would only use my Forester for long 
> distance travel then. Many people are in the same situation but to 
pay 
> $18K+ for a second vehicle, especially in these economic times, is 
a bit 
> much.
>

[FairfieldLife] Our 21st Century Frankenstein on Technology

[Bhairitu]

I'm not a big fan of Ray Kurzweil.  I think he is too one dimensional in 
his thinking and often too much if a technology is "cool" then it must 
be explored regardless of the social implications.  Here's a CNET 
interview with him on technology and it being an "double edged sword."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-10102273-76.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ru genes

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:25 PM, bob_brigante 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://tinyurl.com/5zm6ox
> >
> 
> By now we're getting use to the surprise that humans aren't so very
> different from each other genetically nor are they all that much
> different from other creatures.  Single genes or even genetic switches
> give creatures who seem very remotely different from us the defining
> feature which separates us.  I was fascinated by a PBS program on
> attempts to turn a chicken into a dinosaur by turning on certain
> proteins during development.  It turns out that the chicken and many
> fowl pass through many vestigial dinosaur states while developing.
> Things are simpler than we imagined they'd be.
>

**

Stay tuned for the new wooly mammoth exhibit at the zoo:

"There is no present way to synthesize a genome-sized chunk of mammoth 
DNA, let alone to develop it into a whole animal. But Dr. Schuster said 
a short-cut would be to modify the genome of an elephant's cell at the 
400,000 or more sites necessary to make it resemble a mammoth's genome. 
The cell could be converted into an embryo and brought to term by an 
elephant, a project he estimated would cost some $10 million.

Such a project would have been judged entirely impossible a few years 
ago and is far from reality even now. Still, several technical barriers 
have fallen in surprising ways. One is that ancient DNA is always 
shredded into tiny pieces, seemingly impossible to analyze. But a new 
generation of DNA decoding machines uses tiny pieces as their starting 
point. Dr. Schuster's laboratory has two, known as 454 machines, each 
of which costs $500,000.

Another problem has been that ancient DNA in bone, the usual source, is 
heavily contaminated with bacterial DNA. Dr. Schuster has found that 
hair is a much purer source of the host's DNA, with the keratin serving 
to seal it in and largely exclude bacteria.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/science/20mammoth.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt

[Bhairitu]

shempmcgurk wrote:
> Let Detroit Go Bankrupt 
>
>
> By MITT ROMNEY
> Published: November 18, 2008 
>
> 
>
> First, their huge disadvantage in costs relative to foreign brands 
> must be eliminated. That means new labor agreements to align pay and 
> benefits to match those of workers at competitors like BMW, Honda, 
> Nissan and Toyota. Furthermore, retiree benefits must be reduced so 
> that the total burden per auto for domestic makers is not higher than 
> that of foreign producers. 
>
> That extra burden is estimated to be more than $2,000 per car. Think 
> what that means: Ford, for example, needs to cut $2,000 worth of 
> features and quality out of its Taurus to compete with Toyota's 
> Avalon. Of course the Avalon feels like a better product — it has 
> $2,000 more put into it. Considering this disadvantage, Detroit has 
> done a remarkable job of designing and engineering its cars. But if 
> this cost penalty persists, any bailout will only delay the 
> inevitable.
Good argument for single payer health care.

And BTW, even with the bailout who says anyone is going buy those cars? 
Are they supposed to be charity purchases by the rich? How 'bout some 
sub $10K electric cars for those of us who don't travel a lot and just 
jaunt around town for chores? I would only use my Forester for long 
distance travel then. Many people are in the same situation but to pay 
$18K+ for a second vehicle, especially in these economic times, is a bit 
much.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Black Friday Blu-Ray Deal

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:45 PM, bob_brigante 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I've had those boneheads demand to search my shopping cart and 
see my
> > receipt at the exit. If I wanted to shop in a maximum security
> > prison, I would shop at San Quentin. Costco is another place 
where I
> > will go only when I have a specific bigticket item in mind that I 
can
> > save a lot of money on -- they check off every item on the receipt
> > when you exit, which is truly annoying and intrusive. I usually 
brush
> > off the search requests, but who needs the stress...
> >
> 


> Wal-Mart has tremendous theft problems.  People actually race out of
> the store with unpaid for expensive items in their shopping cart,
> usually winning despite the cart checkers and security devices.
> Wal-Mart and Home Depot are noted for people shop lifting items then
> returning them for refunds.  If you're checked or not depends upon
> where you shop.  One Wal-Mart I shop at is on the wrong side of 
town.
> The other is in the high tech area of town.  In one, I expect to be
> challenged on the way out.  In the other trying to get some one's
> attention when I leave the store is difficult.
>



I know that Walmart has a theft problem. Two months ago, while 
reluctantly entering WM for a specific item, I was nearly bowled over 
by a young man who had a laptop under his arm and was moving at an 
impressive rate across the parking lot, pursued by two civilians (not 
WM staff) -- the guys ran out of breath and the guy got away (if he 
tries to sign on to the net, I'm sure he can be tracked).

But WM's problem is not my problem -- let them use more electronic 
anti-theft or whatever surveillance they need to do (which should not 
cost much because of their low pay, about half what local supermarket 
union employees make), but do not make me stand there like an idiot 
while they frisk my basket. It's illegal to insist on such a search, 
since there is no probable cause, so I usually just keep on walking 
and ignore the request to search, but it just annoys the hell out of 
me -- and others, I see people arguing with the exit clerks all the 
time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Let Detroit Go Bankrupt 
> 
> 



Absolutely. Only a Ch. 11 (reorganization) bankruptcy judge can free GM 
and others from the onerous labor costs (GM=$71/hr, Toyota $48/hr) and 
other factors that prohibit Detroit from being competitive. Bailouts 
would do nothing to resolve the systemic problems, as the Brits found 
with Leyland: 
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/business/economy/18car.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Black Friday Blu-Ray Deal

[I am the eternal]

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:45 PM, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've had those boneheads demand to search my shopping cart and see my
> receipt at the exit. If I wanted to shop in a maximum security
> prison, I would shop at San Quentin. Costco is another place where I
> will go only when I have a specific bigticket item in mind that I can
> save a lot of money on -- they check off every item on the receipt
> when you exit, which is truly annoying and intrusive. I usually brush
> off the search requests, but who needs the stress...
>

Wal-Mart has tremendous theft problems.  People actually race out of
the store with unpaid for expensive items in their shopping cart,
usually winning despite the cart checkers and security devices.
Wal-Mart and Home Depot are noted for people shop lifting items then
returning them for refunds.  If you're checked or not depends upon
where you shop.  One Wal-Mart I shop at is on the wrong side of town.
The other is in the high tech area of town.  In one, I expect to be
challenged on the way out.  In the other trying to get some one's
attention when I leave the store is difficult.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Black Friday Blu-Ray Deal

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> On Nov 19, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
> 
> > shempmcgurk wrote:
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Rumor has it Wal-Mart (if you can stand to go there)
> >>>
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> I go to my local Wal-Mart SuperStore at least 3 or 4 times a 
week.
> >>
> >> It's like going to a temple.
> > I'm sure no one here is surprised.  After all doesn't Wal-Mart 
embrace
> > your American Dream: cheap labor, cheap goods, right wing 
management.
> 


> A temple filled with cheap junk--for shemp, that's very fitting.
> 
> Sal
>


*

I don't like Walmart, but it's only cheap, not junk. Their buyers 
test all the products, and it's rare to find anything for sale there 
that functions poorly, in contrast to similar types of stores. 
Because of this quality control, sometimes I will check to see if an 
item is for sale at walmart.com, then make the actual purchase at 
Target, which is pretty competitive pricewise, but does not insult 
people with searches at the exit door.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Black Friday Blu-Ray Deal

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > Rumor has it Wal-Mart (if you can stand to go there)
> 
> [snip]
> 


> I go to my local Wal-Mart SuperStore at least 3 or 4 times a week.
> 
> It's like going to a temple.
>


***

I've had those boneheads demand to search my shopping cart and see my 
receipt at the exit. If I wanted to shop in a maximum security 
prison, I would shop at San Quentin. Costco is another place where I 
will go only when I have a specific bigticket item in mind that I can 
save a lot of money on -- they check off every item on the receipt 
when you exit, which is truly annoying and intrusive. I usually brush 
off the search requests, but who needs the stress...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama-jaya-hetu-dvayam?

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > >
> > > As I wrote about earlier, pretending that the
> > > criticism or insult aimed at you *personally*
> > > is really about a group is an old cultist's 
> > > trick, used to pretend it really *isn't* 
> > > about you personally. But it is.
> > 
> > Following up on this, just because it's a 
> > fun topic, I think the issue is that some
> > people react to being called a name by
> > pretending that the name was "really" meant 
> > to refer not to them personally but to a 
> > group that they feel that they are "symbols" 
> > for.
> 
> No, Barry, nobody here reacts that way. You
> made that up.
> 
> Here's the real issue: It simply doesn't occur
> to men who don't have an underlying streak of
> misogyny to insult/attack/criticize a woman
> using terms that denigrate her on the basis of
> her gender.
> 
> Doing so is therefore a sure sign of a bad
> attitude toward women. *Especially* in a
> person who styles himself a writer, I might add,
> because he presumably has a larger and more
> varied vocabulary on which to draw to formulate
> his criticisms/insults/attacks.
> 
> It's a dead giveaway. And the pretense here is
> all yours.
>
i think it has been quite awhile since B. got laid. or perhaps he 
needs drugs these days in order to salute the flagpole so to speak. 
poor guy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama & Clinton= Real Methodical Change'

[boo_lives]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well, it looks like President Obama, will be heading up,
> Most of the old Clinton team, and that's alright...
> They have the knowledge of how to 'get things done'...
> And they are indeed, methodical, in thier methods...
> The real change will only be 'The Decider'...
> Who is President Obama.
>  
> Robert Gimbel  Madison, WI
>
Maybe Hillary will be in the cabinet, maybe not, but I don't see this
"Clinton Team" idea.  Emmanuel worked in the clinton white house, but
more recently has been a close chicago political ally and friend of
obama - he is much more loyal to obama than clintons.  There are
likely to be a few other clinton veterans since clinton has been the
only democratic administration in the past 28 yrs and if you want
someone with executive branch experience, that's where it will have
been.  Holder and Daschle are both close Obama allies and friends who
backed him not Clinton in the primaries.

I'd say it's much more a Chicago team who a little clinton past.

Re: [FairfieldLife] al-Qaida accuses Obama of being a "house negro"

[Peter]

Wow! I bet President-elect Obama is really quaking in his boots with that one! 


--- On Wed, 11/19/08, curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] al-Qaida accuses Obama of being a "house negro"
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 11:04 AM
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94I2MHO1&show_article=1
> 
>  "abeed al-beit," which
> literally translates as "house slaves." But
> al-Qaida supplied English
> subtitles of his speech that included the translation as
> "house negroes."
> 
> The message also includes old footage of speeches by
> Malcolm X in
> which he explains the term, saying black slaves who worked
> in their
> white masters' house were more servile than those who
> worked in the
> fields. Malcolm X used the term to criticize black leaders
> he accused
> of not standing up to whites. >
> 



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama-jaya-hetu-dvayam?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > As I wrote about earlier, pretending that the
> > criticism or insult aimed at you *personally*
> > is really about a group is an old cultist's 
> > trick, used to pretend it really *isn't* 
> > about you personally. But it is.
> 
> Following up on this, just because it's a 
> fun topic, I think the issue is that some
> people react to being called a name by
> pretending that the name was "really" meant 
> to refer not to them personally but to a 
> group that they feel that they are "symbols" 
> for.

No, Barry, nobody here reacts that way. You
made that up.

Here's the real issue: It simply doesn't occur
to men who don't have an underlying streak of
misogyny to insult/attack/criticize a woman
using terms that denigrate her on the basis of
her gender.

Doing so is therefore a sure sign of a bad
attitude toward women. *Especially* in a
person who styles himself a writer, I might add,
because he presumably has a larger and more
varied vocabulary on which to draw to formulate
his criticisms/insults/attacks.

It's a dead giveaway. And the pretense here is
all yours.

[FairfieldLife] 'Obama & Clinton= Real Methodical Change'

[Robert]

Well, it looks like President Obama, will be heading up,
Most of the old Clinton team, and that's alright...
They have the knowledge of how to 'get things done'...
And they are indeed, methodical, in thier methods...
The real change will only be 'The Decider'...
Who is President Obama.
 
Robert Gimbel  Madison, WI


  

[FairfieldLife] A Guide For Men On How Not To Be Misogynist

[TurquoiseB]

It has come to our attention here at the National
Association for Gender-neutrality (NAG) that some 
sensitivity has been expressed lately about
referring to a person of the female persuasion 
using epithets that are commonly associated with 
that sex or its anatomy.

Therefore our recommendation is that in the future,
when tempted to hurl an insult at a female, you
limit yourself to epithets that are gender-neutral
or that are clearly about males. 

A list of some of these terms has been provided
below for your convenience. Use them wisely. 


Male epithets:

cock
dick
dickhead
dickwad
johnson
Little Elvis
prick
wang
wanger


Gender-neutral epithets:

asshole (everybody's got one, but not everybody is one)
pooh-pooh head (everyone has both pooh and a head, too)
idiot (some would disagree that this one is gender-neutral)

[FairfieldLife] Mitt Romney: Let Detroit go bankrupt

[shempmcgurk]

Let Detroit Go Bankrupt 


By MITT ROMNEY
Published: November 18, 2008 

IF General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief 
executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive 
industry goodbye. It won't go overnight, but its demise will be 
virtually guaranteed.

Without that bailout, Detroit will need to drastically restructure 
itself. With it, the automakers will stay the course — the suicidal 
course of declining market shares, insurmountable labor and retiree 
burdens, technology atrophy, product inferiority and never-ending job 
losses. Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check.

I love cars, American cars. I was born in Detroit, the son of an auto 
chief executive. In 1954, my dad, George Romney, was tapped to run 
American Motors when its president suddenly died. The company itself 
was on life support — banks were threatening to deal it a death blow. 
The stock collapsed. I watched Dad work to turn the company around — 
and years later at business school, they were still talking about it. 
>From the lessons of that turnaround, and from my own experiences, I 
have several prescriptions for Detroit's automakers. 

First, their huge disadvantage in costs relative to foreign brands 
must be eliminated. That means new labor agreements to align pay and 
benefits to match those of workers at competitors like BMW, Honda, 
Nissan and Toyota. Furthermore, retiree benefits must be reduced so 
that the total burden per auto for domestic makers is not higher than 
that of foreign producers. 

That extra burden is estimated to be more than $2,000 per car. Think 
what that means: Ford, for example, needs to cut $2,000 worth of 
features and quality out of its Taurus to compete with Toyota's 
Avalon. Of course the Avalon feels like a better product — it has 
$2,000 more put into it. Considering this disadvantage, Detroit has 
done a remarkable job of designing and engineering its cars. But if 
this cost penalty persists, any bailout will only delay the 
inevitable.

Second, management as is must go. New faces should be recruited from 
unrelated industries — from companies widely respected for excellence 
in marketing, innovation, creativity and labor relations. 

The new management must work with labor leaders to see that the 
enmity between labor and management comes to an end. This division is 
a holdover from the early years of the last century, when unions 
brought workers job security and better wages and benefits. But as 
Walter Reuther, the former head of the United Automobile Workers, 
said to my father, "Getting more and more pay for less and less work 
is a dead-end street." 

You don't have to look far for industries with unions that went down 
that road. Companies in the 21st century cannot perpetuate the 
destructive labor relations of the 20th. This will mean a new 
direction for the U.A.W., profit sharing or stock grants to all 
employees and a change in Big Three management culture.

The need for collaboration will mean accepting sanity in salaries and 
perks. At American Motors, my dad cut his pay and that of his 
executive team, he bought stock in the company, and he went out to 
factories to talk to workers directly. Get rid of the planes, the 
executive dining rooms — all the symbols that breed resentment among 
the hundreds of thousands who will also be sacrificing to keep the 
companies afloat. 

Investments must be made for the future. No more focus on quarterly 
earnings or the kind of short-term stock appreciation that means 
quick riches for executives with options. Manage with an eye on cash 
flow, balance sheets and long-term appreciation. Invest in truly 
competitive products and innovative technologies — especially fuel-
saving designs — that may not arrive for years. Starving research and 
development is like eating the seed corn.

Just as important to the future of American carmakers is the sales 
force. When sales are down, you don't want to lose the only people 
who can get them to grow. So don't fire the best dealers, and don't 
crush them with new financial or performance demands they can't meet.

It is not wrong to ask for government help, but the automakers should 
come up with a win-win proposition. I believe the federal government 
should invest substantially more in basic research — on new energy 
sources, fuel-economy technology, materials science and the like — 
that will ultimately benefit the automotive industry, along with many 
others. I believe Washington should raise energy research spending to 
$20 billion a year, from the $4 billion that is spent today. The 
research could be done at universities, at research labs and even 
through public-private collaboration. The federal government should 
also rectify the imbedded tax penalties that favor foreign carmakers.

But don't ask Washington to give shareholders and bondholders a free 
pass — they bet on management and they lost.

The American auto industry is vital to our national i

Re: [FairfieldLife] Black Friday Blu-Ray Deal

[Bhairitu]

I am the eternal wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Rumor has it Wal-Mart (if you can stand to go there) will have the
>> Magnavox Blu-Ray player on sale for $128 on Black Friday.   This is a
>> rebranded Funai player and also the same as the Sylvania.  More info on
>> these players here:
>> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1026390
>>
>> If you can't stand Wal-Mart I would expect other retailers to have a
>> similar deal.
>> 
>
> Wal-Mart has special models (slight variations of the model numbers)
> made for it, often of cheaper quality, hence Wal-Mart can charge less
> and other stores can't price match because they don't carry the exact
> same model.
That may not be true in the case of these players.  They are low-end, 
but a most likely the same components sold all year and under different 
brand names.  This model is also sold as Sylvania and Best Buy's 
Insignia brand.   The price would be a "loss leader" to get people into 
stores and each store will probably only have maybe 20-30 units 
available.  It's first come, first serve and spend money on other things 
while you're here.  Last year WM and a few other stores had "secret 
sales" before Black Friday and WM was selling the Toshiba HD-DVD player 
for a low price.  I went there to see how it was going and there was a 
long line.  Only people who camped out overnight in the parking lot got 
one of the 20 units the store had.   The Toshiba was the older model.  I 
picked up a deal on the new model on Amazon and got an additional $50 
credit a few months later when the HD media war was over.

Also China has been banned from making Blu-Ray players.

People considering Blu-Ray players need to know the difference between 
the 1.1 and 2.0 profile models.  If you're only going to play movies and 
don't do a lot special features that may require connecting to the 
Internet a 1.1 profile model may work for you.  Those are the lower 
priced models.  The 2.0 can connect to the Internet for downloadable 
stuff and generally have more memory to speed up those Java program 
loads.  I believe the LG that Rick was looking at is a 2.0 profile as it 
can connect to the Internet and also download movies via Netflix.  
Another consideration is the Sony PS3 which is a game machine and 
Blu-Ray player.  Having more memory for game playing it can load disks 
much faster plus has added features such as DivX playback.

I'm a big of a cynic when it comes to Christmas as it is too 
commercialized anymore and a "bailout time" for badly run businesses.  
This year I predict many won't get bailed out and it will probably be 
the worst Christmas season for sales in years. Companies will probably 
start going under as a result in February.  And then my relatives have 
their yearly "Christmas ritual" which has always been obscenely 
ridiculous and we exchange a lot of junk bought at dollar stores and 
liquidation shops or give each other gift card because we don't know 
what the hell each other wants.   I feel a lot of the time like dropping 
my goodies bag off at a homeless shelter after the bacchanal since they 
tend to clutter up my house.  I also don't like shopping for that stuff 
and even worse wrapping it.  I think we should just have a Christmas Eve 
dinner and let that be it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama-jaya-hetu-dvayam?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> As I wrote about earlier, pretending that the
> criticism or insult aimed at you *personally*
> is really about a group is an old cultist's 
> trick, used to pretend it really *isn't* 
> about you personally. But it is.

Following up on this, just because it's a 
fun topic, I think the issue is that some
people react to being called a name by
pretending that the name was "really" meant 
to refer not to them personally but to a 
group that they feel that they are "symbols" 
for.

If you are a public figure, someone strongly
associated with one or more groups, that is
actually a somewhat valid stance. Barack 
Obama actually IS a symbol for black men
everywhere, because he's shown them what
they can accomplish.

But if you're basically a media nobody, and
the full extent of your public recognition
is being a loud fish in the small pond of an
obscure Internet chat group, then how valid 
-- or even sane -- is that stance?

I'm such a media nobody. No one outside this
group knows me by the name I use here. I 
live in Spain, but does that make any insult 
hurled at me an insult to all Spanish? I am 
a writer, but does that make any disparaging
remarks said about me also about writers in 
general? 

What I'm getting at is that this claim that
criticism of or insults hurled at a *particular*
woman is also de facto an insult hurled at ALL
women is bullshit. 

If I call you a name, I'm really calling YOU
a name. You're not a symbol for diddleysquat;
you're YOU, and that's the person I'm insulting.

Get the concept?

Let me give you an example. If I were to say
to Dr. Pete, "Pete, you're a nanner-nanner 
pooh-pooh head," even though Dr. Pete is a 
psychologist I am not calling ALL psycholo-
gists pooh-pooh heads. Even though Dr. Pete
is a man, I am casting no aspersions on the
pooh-pooh-headedness of ALL men. 

We all know that Dr. Pete is not really a 
nanner-nanner pooh-pooh head, so such claims
about it being an insult to all shrinks and
all men are not likely to be made. On the other 
hand, we all know by now that if anyone dares 
to tell a couple of women on this forum what
they think of them -- and tell THEM directly, 
not any group the women mistakenly believe 
themselves to be symbols for -- that person 
will be accused of criticizing all women. 

And if you choose to call me names now for
suggesting that calling one woman a name is 
NOT equivalent to calling ALL women that name, 
watch your ass because I'm a writer and I'll 
have the Writer's Union on your ass in a 
second.

[FairfieldLife] Counter-intuitive statistics: Republicans have the social conscience...

[Richard M]

Yes, really! (Apparently).

Statistician William Briggs has a highly provocative post here:

http://tinyurl.com/5us7v6

Excerpts:

"Since a reasonable proxy of government control over the lives of its
citizens is the outlay of funds from its treasury, a sane observer
might wonder about this increasing trend"

"The big, but maybe not so obvious. point is that 2008 spending is
about $10,000 per person. That means the government is spending
$10-grand per head. That also means, in some loose sense, that if you
pay more than this in taxes — if your personal bill is more than $10k
— then you are paying more than your equal share. This implies, then,
that if you are paying less than $10k you are not paying your equal
share. You are requiring those that are better off to support the bulk
of the government."

"Most, but not all, of the increases in spending for the military have
come from Democrats (the wars just mentioned); and most, but not all,
of the increase in spending on social causes have come from
Republicans."

"About the only thing this confiscatory tax policy will do is to take
enough money from the just-rich, to make them no longer rich. Thus,
more control will flow into the hands of fewer and fewer people. This
is inevitable. And it's happening at an exponential pace. The noble
idea of having those with more pay for those with less guarantees that
those with more will have even more, and those with less will have
even less, plus they will suffer a corresponding loss of influence and
control over government."...

"Disproportionately taxing the rich to grow government, and doing so
at an increasing, exponential pace, thus guarantees the creation of a
oligarchic ruling class. Supporting these tax laws, then, will have
the exact opposite effect of your intent."...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Change we can believe in

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Rahm Emanuel.
> 
> Hillary Clinton.
> 
> Podesta.
> 
> Holder.
> 
> It's Clinton Redux at the Obama White House (or, as the racist 
> Off_World calls it, "The Black House").
> 
> So, how do you Obama supporters feel about that?
> 
> Do you feel this is the change Obama promised you?
> 
> Do you like seeing so many of the old guard Clintonites being 
placed in 
> the most important positions?
>
sure. there is a fundamental difference i see between the mainstream 
dems mentioned here and most of the well known republicans. the 
democrats, possibly because they have had a harder time gaining the 
presidency, change with the times. 

as we saw last night with sen. steven's defeat due to blatant 
corruption, the republicans don't. bush and cheney are also good 
examples of republicans rotting in place. 

in fact many republicans see it as a badge of honor to call 
themselves -reagan- republicans, honoring a senile old fool who left 
office 20 years ago, whose greatest accomplishments were to demonize 
welfare, attack small countries, engage in illegal arms deals with 
iran, and possibly use the cia to introduce crack into the inner 
cities.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama-jaya-hetu-dvayam?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hey Raunch, you might consider that people are reacting 
> to your vitriol and their comments have nothing to do 
> with their attitudes toward women.

Bingo. 

It's like when I called three people on this
forum the C-word that drives her up the wall.
All three of them deserved to be called that 
because they were acting like cunts, but
only two of them actually had them.  :-)

Similarly, I've called John McCain a bimbo
before, because he was acting like one. Was
that misogynist of me, John?

As I wrote about earlier, pretending that the
criticism or insult aimed at you *personally*
is really about a group is an old cultist's 
trick, used to pretend it really *isn't* 
about you personally. But it is.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama-jaya-hetu-dvayam?

[Peter]

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, raunchydog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Dr. Peter: "Bitter menopausal bull dyke
> Obama-hater?"
> 
> raunchydog: An so is your wife. Snuggle up to your
> fanstasy, why don't
> you?

Actually, my wife is neither menopausal, a dyke nor is she bitter. Oh, and she 
voted for Obama too. I was actually referring to...oh, never mind. Too much 
like shooting fish in a barrel.

Hey Raunch, you might consider that people are reacting to your vitriolic and 
their comments have nothing to do with their attitudes toward women.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Black Friday Blu-Ray Deal

[Sal Sunshine]

On Nov 19, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Bhairitu wrote:


shempmcgurk wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Rumor has it Wal-Mart (if you can stand to go there)



[snip]

I go to my local Wal-Mart SuperStore at least 3 or 4 times a week.

It's like going to a temple.

I'm sure no one here is surprised.  After all doesn't Wal-Mart embrace
your American Dream: cheap labor, cheap goods, right wing management.


A temple filled with cheap junk--for shemp, that's very fitting.

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Black Friday Blu-Ray Deal

[Bhairitu]

shempmcgurk wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Rumor has it Wal-Mart (if you can stand to go there)
>> 
>
> [snip]
>
> I go to my local Wal-Mart SuperStore at least 3 or 4 times a week.
>
> It's like going to a temple.
I'm sure no one here is surprised.  After all doesn't Wal-Mart embrace 
your American Dream: cheap labor, cheap goods, right wing management.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama-jaya-hetu-dvayam?

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am convinced no woman will EVER be president of the USA as long as
> it's funny to belittle a woman for her sex. Too strong? "shrill bitch"
> Too smart? "ball buster" Too pretty? "Dumb Bimbo"  Too clever?
> "Manipulating Diva" 
> 
> O.K. folks how many more images can you bring to mind of women you
> love to hate?  Have at it.

Is anyone surprised the usual sexist suspects of FF Life would seize
upon an opportunity to rip into women and me personally like rabid
dogs while they ignore this: "I am convinced no woman will EVER be
president of the USA as long as it's funny to belittle a woman for her
sex." How about it guys, is this a true statement? If it is, do you
think we need to do something about it? 

The 13th Amendment to the Constitution adopted December 6, 1865,
abolished slavery. The 14th Amendment, July 9, 1868, provided equal
protection under the law. The 15th Amendment, February 3, 1870
prohibits states from preventing citizen voting based on race. It did
not specifically include women who were unable to vote in all the
states until the 19th Amendment, August 26, 1920.  

Long after the abolition of slavery, it wasn't until May, 17, 1954 the
Supreme Court ruled on Brown v. Board of Education that segregation in
public schools is unconstitutional. The decision overturned the 1896
Plessy v. Ferguson ruling that sanctioned "separate but equal"
segregation of the races. Until the ruling on Civil Rights, African
Americans suffered greatly from segregation, economic injustice, Jim
Crow, lynching, and disparaging language and images in literature and
the arts. 

Calling Hillary the c word and other bon mots including Dr. Peter's
endearment for his wife, "bitter menopausal bull dyke," was accepted
banter on all the leftie blogs. Calling Obama the n word didn't exist
except on the vilest of white supremacy websites. 

"The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted in 1948, enshrines
"the equal rights of men and women", and addressed both the equality
and equity issues. In 1979, the United Nations General Assembly
adopted the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of
Discrimination against Women (CEDAW). Described as an international
bill of rights for women, it came into force on 3 September 1981. The
United States is the only developed nation that has not ratified the
CEDAW." http://tinyurl.com/67w25n

The protections of the constitution for African Americans have made
racism unacceptable in our society. This election cycle has proven
that not only is sexism acceptable but we can use it to defeat any
woman aspiring to high political office. Do we need to pass the Equal
Rights Amendment so that it's possible to elect a woman for president
without belittling her for her sex? What do you think?

Comments from the Sexist Peanut Gallery and rauncydog's replies: 

cardemaister: Obama girl slams Palin video

raunchydog: Addicted to porn?

OffWorld: "Margaret Thatcher - a fine figure of a man"
...but wait: "Boudicca -- Destroyer of Romans"
"Queen Elizabeth I -- Banisher of Fundamentalists" (ie. Puritans. To
you Yanks, "Pligrims". To us Brits "fascist fundamentalists haters of
freedom"

raunchydog: Very good historical references. Here's your homework: 

do.rflex: How about the image of a female Obama hater who calls
herself 'Raunchy
Dog'?

raunchydog: I don't hate him. I'm pissed at the DNC for giving us an
empty suit on which we project all our hopes for our country. (I don't
count this as a sexist comment.)

Barry: "Women so obsessive about their own lack of accomplishment and
their own sense of victimhood that they'll identify with any woman who
gets into the news, even if she's dumb as a post and against
everything they stand for personally, just because she's female and
got into the news and they didn't and never will."

raunchydog: According to Barry's definition of accomplishment, a
women's self-esteem depends on getting in the news. Is he projecting,
as usual, yearning for fame but unable to grasp the golden ring for
himself? (Barry agrees with Dr. Peter so I'll count this as a sexist
comment.)

Dr. Peter: "Bitter menopausal bull dyke Obama-hater?"

raunchydog: An so is your wife. Snuggle up to your fanstasy, why don't
you?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Black Friday Blu-Ray Deal

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Rumor has it Wal-Mart (if you can stand to go there) will have the
> > Magnavox Blu-Ray player on sale for $128 on Black Friday.   This 
> > is a rebranded Funai player and also the same as the Sylvania.  
> > More info on these players here:
> > http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1026390
> >
> > If you can't stand Wal-Mart I would expect other retailers to 
> > have a similar deal.
> 
> Wal-Mart has special models (slight variations of the model numbers)
> made for it, often of cheaper quality, hence Wal-Mart can charge 
> less and other stores can't price match because they don't carry 
> the exact same model.

The type of merchandise you refer to is called
"manufactured to price point." Essentially, Wal-
Mart decides what they want to sell the player
for to undercut their competition, and then they
approach the manufacturers and say, "Build us one
that we can sell at price X per unit and buy from 
you at price Y per unit, with a guaranteed purchase
from you of Z thousand units." 

Price Y is often ridiculously low, but some manu-
facturers go for it because of the volume of the
potential purchase. So they achieve the price point
by using cheaper materials on the inside of the
case, like cheaper hard drives, disk readers, 
chipsets, etc.

Sometimes the cheaper unit is a good buy. A rule
of thumb I was once given on this was to count up
the number of moving parts in the product you are
contemplating buying. The fewer the moving parts,
the better chance you have of not getting burned 
if those parts are of a lesser grade than the same
manufacturer puts into the regular versions of 
that product it lists in its catalog.

The way to tell whether the product you are looking
at in a large store that can afford to do this with
its suppliers is to note down the model number of
the unit and then go look it up on that manufacturer's
website. If that model number is not present, what you
are looking at was "manufactured to price point."

Re: [FairfieldLife] Black Friday Blu-Ray Deal

[I am the eternal]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Rumor has it Wal-Mart (if you can stand to go there) will have the
> Magnavox Blu-Ray player on sale for $128 on Black Friday.   This is a
> rebranded Funai player and also the same as the Sylvania.  More info on
> these players here:
> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1026390
>
> If you can't stand Wal-Mart I would expect other retailers to have a
> similar deal.

Wal-Mart has special models (slight variations of the model numbers)
made for it, often of cheaper quality, hence Wal-Mart can charge less
and other stores can't price match because they don't carry the exact
same model.

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: John McCain for Secretary of Defense?] Curtis's Post of the Week

[curtisdeltablues]

> truly gifted-- the whole post is post of the week for me, hands 
> down.

I aim to entertain!  Much thanks.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Judy,
> > 
> > > I mean, could you just hear the howls of outrage
> > > from the Obamazoids if anybody were telling false
> > > stories from the National Enquirer about Obama's
> > > kids?
> > > 
> > > It's the hypocrisy, stupid.
> > 
> > Which is probably why we are seeing a bit of a Democratic
> > schadenfreude circle jerk over a candidate like Palin having the 
> most
> > NON Ozzie and Harriet family ever.
> > 
> > The worst "family values as a weapon" in history is from the 
> religious
> > right wing of the Republicans which is what Palin IS.  You 
> transcribed
> > all that crap from Hannity, so you know what I mean Judy. She even
> > tried to make moral character an issue in this campaign, but wisely
> > kept off the family values posturing, especially with Obama's kids
> > looking s adorable at that age before they discover that ALL 
> music
> > sounds better after sparking a fat blunt. (I hope they don't find 
> out
> > that includes Hanna Montana's music.) 
> > 
> > Discussing her kids is my least favorite method to Palin-hate.  And
> > Todd is off my radar too.  He comes across like an admirable 
> version
> > of badass who can snow machine with a broken arm and then take 
> care of
> > a new special needs infant while his hyper-ambitious wife is gone. 
> > And honestly when I see him interact with the kids it is believable
> > which I do not get with her.  Have you seen how she holds her 
> newborn,
> > away from her like a ventriloquist dummy.  I have never seen such a
> > lack of physical chemistry between a mother and a child.
> > 
> > Too catty?  Just the kind of thing you were criticizing?  I can't 
> be
> > the only one to notice, let's here from the mothers here, Sal?  
> Anybody?  
> > 
> > (And in my defense, she is the one using young Trig as a 
> campaigning
> > prop.  I saw her literally shaking hands in a crowd with Trig 
> strapped
> > to her (facing away towards the strangers shaking her hands).
> > 
> 
> what a post! This opener had me laughing right away: "Which is 
> probably why we are seeing a bit of a Democratic schadenfreude 
> circle jerk over a candidate like Palin having the most NON Ozzie 
> and Harriet family ever." 
> 
> others are hilarious too: "...especially with Obama's kids looking 
> s adorable at that age before they discover that ALL music 
> sounds better after sparking a fat blunt...", and "Have you seen how 
> she [Palin] holds her newborn, away from her like a ventriloquist 
> dummy..."
> 
> truly gifted-- the whole post is post of the week for me, hands 
> down.
>

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: John McCain for Secretary of Defense?] Curtis's Post of the Week

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Judy,
> 
> > I mean, could you just hear the howls of outrage
> > from the Obamazoids if anybody were telling false
> > stories from the National Enquirer about Obama's
> > kids?
> > 
> > It's the hypocrisy, stupid.
> 
> Which is probably why we are seeing a bit of a Democratic
> schadenfreude circle jerk over a candidate like Palin having the 
most
> NON Ozzie and Harriet family ever.
> 
> The worst "family values as a weapon" in history is from the 
religious
> right wing of the Republicans which is what Palin IS.  You 
transcribed
> all that crap from Hannity, so you know what I mean Judy. She even
> tried to make moral character an issue in this campaign, but wisely
> kept off the family values posturing, especially with Obama's kids
> looking s adorable at that age before they discover that ALL 
music
> sounds better after sparking a fat blunt. (I hope they don't find 
out
> that includes Hanna Montana's music.) 
> 
> Discussing her kids is my least favorite method to Palin-hate.  And
> Todd is off my radar too.  He comes across like an admirable 
version
> of badass who can snow machine with a broken arm and then take 
care of
> a new special needs infant while his hyper-ambitious wife is gone. 
> And honestly when I see him interact with the kids it is believable
> which I do not get with her.  Have you seen how she holds her 
newborn,
> away from her like a ventriloquist dummy.  I have never seen such a
> lack of physical chemistry between a mother and a child.
> 
> Too catty?  Just the kind of thing you were criticizing?  I can't 
be
> the only one to notice, let's here from the mothers here, Sal?  
Anybody?  
> 
> (And in my defense, she is the one using young Trig as a 
campaigning
> prop.  I saw her literally shaking hands in a crowd with Trig 
strapped
> to her (facing away towards the strangers shaking her hands).
> 

what a post! This opener had me laughing right away: "Which is 
probably why we are seeing a bit of a Democratic schadenfreude 
circle jerk over a candidate like Palin having the most NON Ozzie 
and Harriet family ever." 

others are hilarious too: "...especially with Obama's kids looking 
s adorable at that age before they discover that ALL music 
sounds better after sparking a fat blunt...", and "Have you seen how 
she [Palin] holds her newborn, away from her like a ventriloquist 
dummy..."

truly gifted-- the whole post is post of the week for me, hands 
down. 

[FairfieldLife] al-Qaida accuses Obama of being a "house negro"

[curtisdeltablues]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94I2MHO1&show_article=1



House Negro?  The reason Malcolm X got such a rise out of this from
black people comes from slavery history.  Some (mostly young or hot
women) were chosen to work in the home instead of the field and by
more association with whites became more educated.  There was a
natural jealousy between them especially with their access to better
food and sleeping quarters.  They benefited from being able to cross
over into white world. But the idea that slaves in the field were
somehow more noble by NOT doing the master's bidding is a crock. 
Obedience was universal or they would escalate the consequences till
they were.  There was also a group of artisans and musicians who also
were able to rise above the lot of the rest of the slaves through
their education.  They were rented out to other plantations and were
able to collect some money for their troubles.

Much later, black women working as domestics in white households had
the 75 cents to buy the latest blues records which supported the whole
industry and allowed my favorite performers to be recorded.  Without
these women we would have lost all the works of the Delta performers.

Of course slaves with menial jobs were salty about their better
situations. It has even come down to today with some black people
criticizing others for acting or talking "white."  There is a terrible
myth of "crabs in a barrel" that guides much of black culture where
successful blacks feel resentment from the rest of the crabs who try
to grab their legs and keep them in the barrel.  

Obama has this challenge with black culture and my hope is that his
example can erase this ignorant and destructive notion that guys like
Obama are not "black enough."  Bill Cosby has spoken about this
self-destructive issue.

al-Qaida is invoking the most ignorant aspect of black culture
revealing their own lack of historical knowledge in Muslim's own part
in setting up the slave trade. Should the slaves they were capturing
and selling stood up to their masters?  Should the many Filipinos now
working as slaves in Mid Eastern countries also rise up and not be
house negroes?

It was Obama's speech about race relations after the Rev. Wright
scandal that gave me hope that we are really entering into a more
sophisticated discussion of race issues.  Both sides are going to have
to change by challenging their own prejudices.  I have seen so much
change in the young people (old codger alert!) in my area with regard
to interacting enough between races enough to REALLY drop the "us
verses them" mentality. We have a long way to go but at least we can
put all the race cards on the table now, including the ignorant
notions of both black and white cultures.

A black president raised by a single white mother and grandmother!  I
hope he gets a chance to pay back this slight by killing Bin Laden and
other al-Qaida leaders.  He represents the exact opposite of the human
rights suppression they stand for.  







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ru genes

[I am the eternal]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:25 PM, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/5zm6ox
>

By now we're getting use to the surprise that humans aren't so very
different from each other genetically nor are they all that much
different from other creatures.  Single genes or even genetic switches
give creatures who seem very remotely different from us the defining
feature which separates us.  I was fascinated by a PBS program on
attempts to turn a chicken into a dinosaur by turning on certain
proteins during development.  It turns out that the chicken and many
fowl pass through many vestigial dinosaur states while developing.
Things are simpler than we imagined they'd be.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: John McCain for Secretary of Defense?

[Sal Sunshine]

On Nov 19, 2008, at 9:35 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> Which is probably why we are seeing a bit of a Democratic
> schadenfreude circle jerk over a candidate like Palin having the most
> NON Ozzie and Harriet family ever.
>
> The worst "family values as a weapon" in history is from the religious
> right wing of the Republicans which is what Palin IS.  You transcribed
> all that crap from Hannity, so you know what I mean Judy. She even
> tried to make moral character an issue in this campaign, but wisely
> kept off the family values posturing, especially with Obama's kids
> looking s adorable at that age before they discover that ALL music
> sounds better after sparking a fat blunt. (I hope they don't find out
> that includes Hanna Montana's music.)
>
> Discussing her kids is my least favorite method to Palin-hate.  And
> Todd is off my radar too.  He comes across like an admirable version
> of badass who can snow machine with a broken arm and then take care of
> a new special needs infant while his hyper-ambitious wife is gone.
> And honestly when I see him interact with the kids it is believable
> which I do not get with her.  Have you seen how she holds her newborn,
> away from her like a ventriloquist dummy.  I have never seen such a
> lack of physical chemistry between a mother and a child.
>
> Too catty?  Just the kind of thing you were criticizing?  I can't be
> the only one to notice, let's here from the mothers here, Sal?   
> Anybody?
>
> (And in my defense, she is the one using young Trig as a campaigning
> prop.  I saw her literally shaking hands in a crowd with Trig strapped
> to her (facing away towards the strangers shaking her hands).

I didn't really see her with Trig, so I can't comment on that,
Curtis.  And it's good to hear that Todd is involved with the kids.
But you are absolutely correct that it's not the fact that this family
has problems--who doesn't?--but it's  the RR's constant pompous
moralizing--all of which only seems to apply to others--that makes
them targets, and such easy ones at that.

And when something does happen, what does Palin and her family
decide to do?  Put the "problems" as far out of sight as possible...
get the son into the army and ship him off to Iraq, get the pregnant
daughter into a shotgun marriage and then never mention her
again either.

Like I said, if nothing else Palin's kids' sad situations only
serves to emphasize how disastrously the Republican agenda--
denial, denial, and more denial--has served everyone, but especially
kids.
Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: John McCain for Secretary of Defense?

[curtisdeltablues]

Judy,

> I mean, could you just hear the howls of outrage
> from the Obamazoids if anybody were telling false
> stories from the National Enquirer about Obama's
> kids?
> 
> It's the hypocrisy, stupid.

Which is probably why we are seeing a bit of a Democratic
schadenfreude circle jerk over a candidate like Palin having the most
NON Ozzie and Harriet family ever.

The worst "family values as a weapon" in history is from the religious
right wing of the Republicans which is what Palin IS.  You transcribed
all that crap from Hannity, so you know what I mean Judy. She even
tried to make moral character an issue in this campaign, but wisely
kept off the family values posturing, especially with Obama's kids
looking s adorable at that age before they discover that ALL music
sounds better after sparking a fat blunt. (I hope they don't find out
that includes Hanna Montana's music.) 

Discussing her kids is my least favorite method to Palin-hate.  And
Todd is off my radar too.  He comes across like an admirable version
of badass who can snow machine with a broken arm and then take care of
a new special needs infant while his hyper-ambitious wife is gone. 
And honestly when I see him interact with the kids it is believable
which I do not get with her.  Have you seen how she holds her newborn,
away from her like a ventriloquist dummy.  I have never seen such a
lack of physical chemistry between a mother and a child.

Too catty?  Just the kind of thing you were criticizing?  I can't be
the only one to notice, let's here from the mothers here, Sal?  Anybody?  

(And in my defense, she is the one using young Trig as a campaigning
prop.  I saw her literally shaking hands in a crowd with Trig strapped
to her (facing away towards the strangers shaking her hands).





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
> wrote:
> >
> > On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:17 AM, boo_lives wrote:
> 
> > > Raising kids?  Yeah, she nurtured her eldest through
> > > vandalism, drug addiction and dropping out of high
> > > school before pulling some strings to get him in the
> > > military.  She's doing a similarly excellent job
> > > with her eldest pregnant high school dropout daughter.
> > 
> > And could you just hear the howls of outrage and the
> > pompous moralizing if that had been Obama's--or almost
> > any Democrat's--situation?
> 
> You mean, the kinds of howls of outrage and pompous
> moralizing we've been hearing from Democrats about
> Palin's situation?
> 
> Shocking!
> 
> Not to mention that the National Enquirer stories
> about Track that Boo cites have been denied, on the
> record, by one of his friends (who *did* engage in
> the vandalism in question and is on probation for
> it). The mother of another of the teens who 
> participated also says Track was not involved (on
> the record as well).
> 
> His friend also says Track had been considering the
> military for some time, and that it was "totally
> his decision."
> 
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/09/10/2008-09-
> 10_reports_that_track_palin_vandalized_scho.html
> http://tinyurl.com/6dokmc
> 
> No strings were pulled by Palin to get Track into
> the military:
> 
> http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2008/10/30/sarah-
> palins-son-track-stars-in-iraq.html
> http://tinyurl.com/6c69aw
> 
> And Track did graduate from high school:
> 
> http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=3790
> 
> I mean, could you just hear the howls of outrage
> from the Obamazoids if anybody were telling false
> stories from the National Enquirer about Obama's
> kids?
> 
> It's the hypocrisy, stupid.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Black Friday Blu-Ray Deal

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Rumor has it Wal-Mart (if you can stand to go there)

[snip]

I go to my local Wal-Mart SuperStore at least 3 or 4 times a week.

It's like going to a temple.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Shiva Sutras'

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
-snip-

 Time and the reactions of others to the TM-centric
> claim that *we* (the butt-bouncers) and *we* alone
> are responsible for everything of a positive nature
> that happens in this world should have produced a
> realization in those who promote that idea that it's
> an idea based in ego. Wouldn't a more evolved stance
> be more along the lines of, "I don't know whether
> this silly thing I do every day benefits the universe
> or not, but I gain some subjective benefits from it
> and thus can hope that my (hopefully) improved state
> of mind can be of benefit to others."
> 
> There is some humility in the latter stance. There
> is none is declaring, essentially, that "I am respon-
> sible for the bliss of the whole universe."
> 
> "Words are clothes that thoughts wear."
> - Samuel Butler
>
thanks again for a provocative piece of writing. the way i 
understand the operation of TM with regards to bliss and the 
universe is that it is a mechanical way to transcend and in so doing 
reliably enlivens the foundation of this universe, which is bliss. 

i think the Maharishi recognized TM's unique value in being able to 
reliably and mechanically enliven this universal source of bliss and 
hence made his claims of responsibility for positive global change.

it is not a statement of ego, but rather one of mechanical 
certainty, much as rolling a ball down a hill guarantees that it 
will reach the bottom of the hill.

without the knowledge of this simple mechanical process, one could 
easily mistake the claims of the Maharishi to be ego tripping. 
alternatively, a person could claim that they instead have a 
mechanically reliable way for anyone to transcend that is not TM. 

no other technique has been shown to have the same reliable and 
mechanical qualities for everyone as does TM. this is not a claim 
about the glorified specialness of TM. rather it is a statement of 
the unique property of this technique, that it is both mechanical 
and reliable with regard to enliviening bliss, for anyone who 
practices it. 

given this reliable and mechanical enlivening of bliss, which is the 
foundation of the universe, it follows logically that positive 
changes on a macro scale will result if enough people do the TM 
technique. how these positive changes manifest is controversial and 
i would be the first to say that the macro effects of large groups 
doing TM cannot be predicted. and even if they could, someone would 
claim positve benefits were really negative, and vice versa.

and you thought i didn't do TM...:) 

[FairfieldLife] Beatles with Maharishi - Across the universe

[nablusoss1008]

http://tinyurl.com/4zwtrz

Enjoy !

[FairfieldLife] Sarah Palin's pick for Secy of Defense when she's President

[TurquoiseB]

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=cqJFZI7YWzM

Said Palin, in an interview after watching the
clip, "Yep, she's qualified for the job, you
betcha. I was thinking of doing that exact same
routine in the beauty contest I should have won,
and regret to this day not doing it. This woman
would have no problems with firing the Arrow Of
Christ up Osama ben Laden's butt, and she wouldn't 
be as expensive to dress up as I will be because
she wears less. Big 'Yes' from me for Secretary 
of Defense. And David Hasselhoff is going to be 
my Secretary of Education because he looks like 
my old gym teacher, you betcha."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Change we can believe in

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Rahm Emanuel.
> 
> Hillary Clinton.
> 
> Podesta.
> 
> Holder.
> 
> It's Clinton Redux at the Obama White House (or, as the
> racist Off_World calls it, "The Black House").
> 
> So, how do you Obama supporters feel about that?
> 
> Do you feel this is the change Obama promised you?
> 
> Do you like seeing so many of the old guard Clintonites
> being placed in the most important positions?

Too bad if they don't. Clinton Derangement
Syndrome is, like, so yesterday.

Kevin Drum sums it up well:

"Why is Barack Obama surrounding himself with so
many Clinton retreads? That's not change we can
believe in!

"Sure, sure, but look: anybody who's been active
in liberal governance for more than eight years is
likely to be a Clintonite. It was the only game in
town during the 90s. And anybody who's been active
less than eight years probably doesn't have the
experience to get a top level position. So there's
really no way around this. There are some fresh
faces around for Obama to tap, but for the most
part, when you're staffing highly visible
and responsible positions, you want someone who has
at least some experience to fall back on. And since
Bill Clinton is the only Democrat to hold the
presidency in the past 28 years, that means someone
who served in the Clinton administration.

"I suppose this doesn't bother me as much as it
does some people since I never expected Obama to be
a huge left-wing break from Democratic tradition in
the first place. He's a little farther to the left
than Clinton, but not a lot, and it's only natural
that he'd find a fair number of Clintonites who hold
views similar to his own. What's more, as his
campaign showed, he's obviously a guy who values
experience and deep knowledge. He'll do fine,
Clintonites or not."

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2008/11/clintonites.html

[FairfieldLife] The Seven Heads Of Barack Obama

[do.rflex]

The Seven Heads Of Barack Obama

by Gen. JC Christian, Patriot


Lisa Miller
Newsweek

Dear Mrs. Miller,

Thank you and NEWSWEEK for addressing our most deeply held beliefs so
respectfully. It isn't often we see a sentence like the following in a
major news magazine:


"The people who believe Obama is the Antichrist 
are perhaps jumping to conclusions but they're 
not nuts."

NEWSWEEK: http://www.newsweek.com/id/169192


You are absolutely right. We are not crazy. It's not like we just
dreamed this stuff up during some sort of psychotic break. We study.
We read.  We analyze. We evaluate. Then, we state our conclusions. And
as my friend, Malacandra, noted in an email to me, we conduct our
research using the most authoritative source in existence:


Those who suggest that Obama is the Antichrist 
have very valid reasons for their belief, 
based on upon the very specific criteria laid 
out in scripture.

For example:

Barack Obama rose out of the sea and has seven 
heads and ten horns.Aside from that, he's like 
a leopard except with bear's feet and a lion's 
mouth. and one of his heads was mortally wounded, 
but then healed.

There's just no denying it.


So thank you again for showing respect for our most sacred beliefs,
but, that said, you could have done so much more. Why didn't you
report on the secular media's conspiracy to help Obama hide his true
nature. Certainly you knew about it. It isn't easy to hide six extra
heads, ten horns, a lion's mouth and bear feet. You must have noticed
Obama's extra makeup, the lumps in his jacket, and the huge clown
shoes he wore. Even if you didn't, you must have wondered why all of
Obama's photos spent so much time in NEWSWEEK'S PhotoShop lab.

And what about all that business with his birth certificate? Why
didn't you look into that? If he just rose out of the sea, it's likely
he isn't a natural born citizen. I mean, there's nothing natural about
a beast rising from the sea, is there?

Simply telling us we aren't nuts is not enough. You have a lot more
reporting to do.

Heterosexually yours,

Gen. JC Christian, patriot

Links: 
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2008/11/seven-heads-of-barack-obama.html

http://tinyurl.com/5rfcd3

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama-jaya-hetu-dvayam?

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 11/18/08, raunchydog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > From: raunchydog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama-jaya-hetu-dvayam?
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 12:30 PM
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Let's not forget Obama-girl, one (two?) of the
> > reasons:
> > > 
> > > http://www.obamagirl.com/
> > > 
> > > Tuuli (= Wind), the Finnish nearly-anorectic version
> > of "Obama-girl",
> > > one of the participants of Big Brother Finland 2008:
> > > 
> > >
> >
http://www.kuvaboxi.fi/mediaobjects/pub/2008/10/13/8143010478544397028web_0.jpg
> > 
> > I am convinced no woman will EVER be president of the USA
> > as long as
> > it's funny to belittle a woman for her sex. Too strong?
> > "shrill bitch"
> > Too smart? "ball buster" Too pretty? "Dumb
> > Bimbo"  Too clever?
> > "Manipulating Diva" 
> > 
> > O.K. folks how many more images can you bring to mind of
> > women you
> > love to hate?  Have at it.
> 
> Bitter menopausal bull dyke Obama-hater?


How about the image of a female Obama hater who calls herself 'Raunchy
Dog'?

[FairfieldLife] The German fascination with dueling scars explained

[TurquoiseB]

As with most things male, this silly tradition
of dueling with live sabers while wearing padding
and masks that allow cuts only on the duelists'
faces has its roots in wanting to get laid:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1086969/Women-scarred-men-attractive-looking-fling.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/56sf4h

What I don't understand is why the women would
want to pick the *loser* in a duel to have a 
quick fling with. Are they feeling pity, and
taking a chance on getting pregnant and thus
preserving the poor loser's gene profile before
his *next* duel, which he probably won't survive?

This finding reminds me of newbie visitors to a
karate dojo who think the best karateka is the
one who is all bruised up. Duh. Who you should
be looking for is the one who made him look 
that way.  

Women looking at scarred guys and thinking that
they'd be fun to have a fling with makes as much
sense to me as guys looking at some woman who is
wearing $10,000 worth of clothing and jewelry
and makeup (a la Sarah Palin) and thinking, 
"Wow...that's the woman for me...she already has 
her own clothes, so if we get serious I wouldn't 
have to pay for them."  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Shiva Sutras'

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Vaj"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> > >
> > > "They" seem to translate "saMyamaat" in 3.44 to 'sameness'.
> > > That sucks!  :D
> > 
> > Actually it highlights how differently the word samyama is seen 
> > in a yoga-darshana text (the 
> > Patanjali yoga-sutras) and a nondual Shaivite text (i.e. the
> > shiva-sutras of Vasagupta).
> > 
> > If you don't understand the difference, then you're probably not
> > qualified to comment. :-)
> 
> Perhaps. The translation is so "commentary-ish" that it's a bit
> hard to evaluate it. 
> 
> OTOH, I like the translation of 1.18:
> 
> lokaanandaH (loka+aanandaH) samaadhisukham
> 
> The joy of his mystical trance (samaadhi) is bliss for
> the whole universe.
> 
> ---
> 
> That seems to support the idea of Maharishi-effect:
> someone being in samaadhi (e.g. during YF) radiates
> happiness into the whole universe?

Card, I am not a Sanskrit nerd the way you and
Vaj are, nor am I ever likely to be. But I cannot
help but be struck by the fact that you "like" the
translation of 1:18 above because 1) it reaffirms
in your mind that Maharishi was "right," and 2)
it reaffirms the self-centric, I-am-important-
to-the-universe-and-can-change-its-very-nature-
by-simply-changing-my-own-subjective-state-of-
attention stance that Maharishi promoted.

> IMO, in Sanskrit, as I believe in English and many other
> languages, the preferred position of the subject in a
> sentence is before the predicative, or whatever that sentence
> constituent is called in English. For the above translation
> IMO one has to take "samaadhi-sukham" to be the subject, and
> "lokaanandaH" to be the predicative, as if the word order 
> would be:
> 
> samaadhisukhaM lokaanandaH

But it isn't. Therefore, isn't it more likely that
the original placement of the words connotes some-
thing more along the lines of, "The bliss of the
whole universe is *interpreted* by him as the joy 
of his mystical trance (samaadhi)?"

This is just playing with words for me, but it also
reflects my beliefs that the writers of these words
didn't necessarily know much more than we do, and
that if there really is any truth to be found in
them (let alone Truth), that truth probably does
not revolve around the seeker's own sense of self
importance and his value to the universe. 

Time and the reactions of others to the TM-centric
claim that *we* (the butt-bouncers) and *we* alone
are responsible for everything of a positive nature
that happens in this world should have produced a
realization in those who promote that idea that it's
an idea based in ego. Wouldn't a more evolved stance
be more along the lines of, "I don't know whether
this silly thing I do every day benefits the universe
or not, but I gain some subjective benefits from it
and thus can hope that my (hopefully) improved state
of mind can be of benefit to others."

There is some humility in the latter stance. There
is none is declaring, essentially, that "I am respon-
sible for the bliss of the whole universe."

"Words are clothes that thoughts wear."
- Samuel Butler 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Shiva Sutras'

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Vaj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> >
> > -
> > 
> > "They" seem to translate "saMyamaat" in 3.44 to 'sameness'.
> > That sucks!  :D
> >
> 
> Actually it highlights how differently the word samyama is seen in a
yoga-darshana text (the 
> Patanjali yoga-sutras) and a nondual Shaivite text (i.e. the
shiva-sutras of Vasagupta).
> 
> If you don't understand the difference, then you're probably not
qualified to comment. :-)
>

Perhaps. The translation is so "commentary-ish" that it's a bit
hard to evaluate it. 

OTOH, I like the translation of 1.18:

lokaanandaH (loka+aanandaH) samaadhisukham

The joy of his mystical trance (samaadhi) is bliss for
the whole universe.

---

That seems to support the idea of Maharishi-effect:
someone being in samaadhi (e.g. during YF) radiates
happiness into the whole universe?

IMO, in Sanskrit, as I believe in English and many other
languages, the preferred position of the subject in a
sentence is before the predicative, or whatever that sentence
constituent is called in English. For the above translation
IMO one has to take "samaadhi-sukham" to be the subject, and
"lokaanandaH" to be the predicative, as if the word order 
would be:

samaadhisukhaM lokaanandaH