[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
wrote:
>

> >
>  Judy's obsession with Barry continues...she blows her post
count in a day or two 
> obsessing about Barry. There's a kind of sick amusement watching
this seemingly endless 
> play.
>

Their synastry chart could be mighty interesting... : )

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> ---.To Turq. Received e mail from J.J.  :
> "
> Sure I remember Barry Wright tell him to call anytime and say hello.
> jerry"
> 
> I'll send his phone # Monday.  Don't have it right now...I'm at a
> cybernet place.

Thanks for passing along my best wishes, Yifu.
Maybe I'll SkypeOut him sometime. I won't be
asking any tough questions. :-)

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "metoostill"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
> > 
> > I think this yogic identification theory is totally bogus.  
> > It is a made-up problem. I am not identified with any object 
> > of perception. I can be passionate about some things, but 
> > trying to paint that as some kind nonspiritual way to live 
> > seems so contrived.  

I was getting ready to go out for pre-Carnivale
celebrations last night, and didn't have time to
reply then, so I'll do my "me too's" now, and add
them to metoostill's. :-)

I thought that this short post just *nailed* it.
And the phrase that was most relevant to FFL and
the ongoing debates here was "It worked on me 
when I was a LOT younger." Seems to me that there
are a lot of people here who are trying to hang on
to the certainty about things that was sold them
in their youth.

Like you, Curtis, I don't find identification to
be an issue of any kind. I'm sitting in a cafe, and
a beautiful woman walks by. I look up. I look at her.
I *appreciate* the beauty. It does not inspire lust
in me (I'm too old to be locked into that rut any
more); it just inspires a love of beauty. I think,
"Wow. Now *that* is a beautiful woman." She walks
on. So does thinking about her. Out of sight, out
of mind. No identification, no problem. 

In my honest opinion, those who perceive one in that
interaction are doing so based on an intellectual
interpretation *about* identification that they were
taught in their youth, and which they have never been
able to outgrow. They are also doing this based on a
distrust of anything in the [said with disgust]
*relative*, something that was *also* taught to them
in their youth by someone who *felt* disgust for any-
thing in the relative. So much so that the worst thing
he could imagine was to be reborn and have to deal with
the relative again in a future life.

> > The whole premise of yoga that we are somehow not OK right 
> > now and need to be fixed, that the fundamental way that we 
> > are inside is "wrong" and unenlightened, ""the mistake of 
> > the intellect", seems to be a manufactured problem meant to 
> > enslave people who are not confident about themselves.  

It's the Hindu counterpart of Catholic "sin" and the 
notion that man is "fallen." I don't buy it. 

> > It worked on me when I was a LOT younger. 

To this wonderful line I can only add a visual, found
on Digg entitled "When life teaches you nothing."

http://i43.tinypic.com/2rg1c9v.jpg

> > And the threat of living on earth again as something to escape? 
> > Being damned to live again?  We should be so lucky. 

Exactly. How can anyone in their right mind NOT
understand that their FEAR OF REBIRTH 
was *taught* to them by someone who feared it? 
Maharishi did not LIKE the relative world. He spent
his entire life trying to CHANGE it, to make
it look more like the fantasies in his head. You
know, the ones where everything is golden and the
world is run by benevolent kings and the peons
do as they're told and none of the Brahmins have
to work for a living and multicolored soma popsicles
grow on trees. The world he saw around him wasn't
*enough* for him to love and appreciate. Not only
didn't he like it much and dedicate his life to
trying to change it, he taught millions of gullible
youths to fear the world as much as he did, and to 
have as much fear of being reborn and having to do
it again as he did.

Rebirth is seen as a *perk* by most people. That is
exactly why skeptics look down on it as a fantasy.
They believe that life *ends* at death -- game over
-- and you get no more shot at living. And so they
look at those who believe in reincarnation as silly
dreamers.

And so what did Maharishi Mahesh Yogi do with the
idea of reincarnation? He took the (possibly) silly
dream and turned it into a nightmare: "We are opposed
to reincarnation." He taught gullible people in their
youth that reincarnating was a Bad Thing, not a Good
Thing the way it is to anyone who finds life lovely.

> > Who is having such a sucky life that you wouldn't jump at 
> > the chance for another one?  

This is another great point in your post, Curtis.
It has to do with something I talked about last week,
why I find the "Life is suffering" and "take refuge"
notions of Buddhism offensive, and why they don't 
appeal to me. 

The reason is that they're so OLD. They come from a 
time in which life pretty much WAS suffering, pretty
much by definition. Short life spans, disease every-
where, everyone you knew dying all around you, being
born into poverty in India because of your caste, that
sorta thing. So OF COURSE basing a spiritual tradition
on *appealing* to people who felt that life was suffer-
ing made sense at the time.

But does it make sense now? Not to me. My life has 
*never* been suffering. I *love* life in the relative,
and always have. There is nothing in it for me to "take
refuge" FROM.

Yet in my youth someone took advantage of my g

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
wrote:
> >
> > lol- fifty bucks says Barry never makes the call.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ---.To Turq. Received e mail from J.J.  :
> > > "
> > > Sure I remember Barry Wright tell him to call anytime and say 
> > > hello. jerry"
> > > 
> > > I'll send his phone # Monday.  Don't have it right now...I'm 
> > > at a cybernet place.
> > > 
> > >  In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > But when he gets like this,
> > > > calling someone *else* a stupid cunt is kinda
> > > > laughable.
> 
> Hmmm, I see Ms. "Enlightened" has also become enamored with 
> Barry. Barry, how do you do it? What is your mysterious power 
> over these women??

Same way Obama does.

Walk softly and have a big package to promise people. 

:-)

The funny thing is that the sight of my package seems
to inspire obsession not only in women but in men who
are pretending to be women. It doesn't seem to do that
here in Sitges, which has more than its share of cross-
dressers. Maybe it's something that only happens to
cyber cross-dressers. I dunno. It's just one of those
mysteries of life that make life so interesting. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
 wrote:
>
> interesting insight. both of the hobby buddhists on this site (not 
> criticizing, both admit this openly) have asserted things lately to 
> which they will not respond, except by being nasty, insulting and 
> arrogant; Barry for failing miserably to explain his double 
standard 
> regarding TMers and himself, and speaking of Self, Vaj for being 
> unable to explain why he openly contradicted and, in effect, 
> insulted Amma, by giving one of the dumbest definitions of the Self 
> this side of the Rockies.
> 
> interesting that both of these individuals constantly challenge 
> TMers here on FFL, but when asked to respond to their own twisted 
> logic and inconsistencies, all either of them can do is get angry 
> and stalk off- an age appropriate action for what, a two year old, 
> or at best a ten year old?
> 
> my theory is that because neither of these individuals has 
practiced 
> TM, and regularly trascended, for decades, their minds have become 
> rigid and inflexible; they believe what they believe and to hell 
> with anyone who challenges them. except in Barry's case, in which 
he 
> freely admits to being both unstable AND rigid.
> 
> the fellows ought to get a mantra and begin taking it as it comes. 
> until then all we are left with are a couple of old farts who can't 
> do much when challenged except whine or go mute.

Well said !

[FairfieldLife] Some key concepts of linguistics, part 1: minimal pair

[cardemaister]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimal_pair

>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


In phonology, minimal pairs are pairs of words or phrases in a
particular language, which differ in only one phonological element,
such as a phone, phoneme, toneme or chroneme and have a distinct
meaning. They are used to demonstrate that two phones constitute two
separate phonemes in the language.

As an example for English vowels, the pair "let" + "lit" can be used
to demonstrate that the phones [ɛ] (in let) and [ɪ] (in lit) do in
fact represent distinct phonemes /ɛ/ and /ɪ/. An example for English
consonants is the minimal pair of "pat" + "bat". In phonetics, this
pair, like any other, differs in number of ways. In this case, the
contrast appears largely to be conveyed with a difference in the voice
onset time of the initial consonant as the configuration of the mouth
is same for [p] and [b]; however, there is also a possible difference
in duration, which visual analysis using high quality video supports.

[FairfieldLife] "It's not rocket surgery." :D

[cardemaister]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1062343.html

The cerebral Weinstein used to play down the complexity of his
trading, saying he used common sense and simple mathematics. He
sometimes would quip, deliberately conflating two cliches: "It's not
rocket surgery." But he has also boasted that people viewed him as the
"best credit trader in the world." Until December his Facebook page
featured a photo of himself playing poker with actor Matt Damon. 

[FairfieldLife] Yet another example of Turq checkin' out a younger woman

[TurquoiseB]

I know that this will probably send Edg into a 
tizzy. Another example of Turk being a predator,
finding a woman much younger than himself 
attractive:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/07/jennifer-figge-swims-acro_n_164964.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/dgdc8m

[ For those who are tempted not to check out 
this link, believing it to be Yet Another 
Lapse Of Taste on my part, it isn't. It's 
a link to a story about a 56-year-old woman 
who just swam the Atlantic. Yes, I typed 
that correctly. The Atlantic. Ocean. Edg, 
*this* is My Kinda Younger Woman. ]

[FairfieldLife] Unemployment Rates and Presidents

[do.rflex]

Civilian Unemployment Rate U.S. 

 period start end  chng   President  Party
Jan 1949 Jan 19534.3   2.9  -1.4   Truman Democrat
Jan 1953 Jan 19572.9   4.2  +1.3   Eisenhower I   Republican
Jan 1957 Jan 19614.2   6.6  +2.4   Eisenhower II  Republican
Jan 1961 Jan 19656.6   4.9  -1.7   JFK/JohnsonDemocrat
Jan 1965 Jan 19694.9   3.4  -1.5   JohnsonDemocrat
Jan 1969 Jan 19733.4   4.9  +1.5   Nixon  Republican
Jan 1973 Jan 19774.9   7.5  +2.6   Nixon/Ford Republican
Jan 1977 Jan 19817.5   7.5   0.0   Carter Democrat
Jan 1981 Jan 19857.5   7.3  -0.2   Reagan I   Republican
Jan 1985 Jan 19897.3   5.4  -1.9   Reagan II  Republican
Jan 1989 Jan 19935.4   7.3  +1.9   Bush, GHW  Republican
Jan 1993 Jan 19977.3   5.3  -2.0   Clinton I  Democrat
Jan 1997 Jan 20015.3   4.2  -1.1   Clinton II Democrat
Jan 2001 Jan 20054.2   5.2  +1.0   Bush, GW I Republican
Jan 2005 Aug 20085.2   6.1  +0.9   Bush, GW IIRepublican

-Department of Labor: Bureau of Labor Statistics
Via: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/27/155243/895/618/612643


Current Unemployment Rate: 7.6%
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5153B720090206

[FairfieldLife] Re: Unemployment Rates and Presidents

[do.rflex]

If the numbers appear to run together, go to link for proper view:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/27/155243/895/618/612643


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Civilian Unemployment Rate U.S. 
> 
>  period start end  chng   President  Party
> Jan 1949 Jan 19534.3   2.9  -1.4   Truman Democrat
> Jan 1953 Jan 19572.9   4.2  +1.3   Eisenhower I   Republican
> Jan 1957 Jan 19614.2   6.6  +2.4   Eisenhower II  Republican
> Jan 1961 Jan 19656.6   4.9  -1.7   JFK/JohnsonDemocrat
> Jan 1965 Jan 19694.9   3.4  -1.5   JohnsonDemocrat
> Jan 1969 Jan 19733.4   4.9  +1.5   Nixon  Republican
> Jan 1973 Jan 19774.9   7.5  +2.6   Nixon/Ford Republican
> Jan 1977 Jan 19817.5   7.5   0.0   Carter Democrat
> Jan 1981 Jan 19857.5   7.3  -0.2   Reagan I   Republican
> Jan 1985 Jan 19897.3   5.4  -1.9   Reagan II  Republican
> Jan 1989 Jan 19935.4   7.3  +1.9   Bush, GHW  Republican
> Jan 1993 Jan 19977.3   5.3  -2.0   Clinton I  Democrat
> Jan 1997 Jan 20015.3   4.2  -1.1   Clinton II Democrat
> Jan 2001 Jan 20054.2   5.2  +1.0   Bush, GW I Republican
> Jan 2005 Aug 20085.2   6.1  +0.9   Bush, GW IIRepublican
> 
> -Department of Labor: Bureau of Labor Statistics
> Via: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/27/155243/895/618/612643
> 
> 
> Current Unemployment Rate: 7.6%
> http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5153B720090206
>

[FairfieldLife] A Chart that Might Get Your Attention

[do.rflex]

http://www.speaker.gov/img/jobsrecessions.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re:'We Need to Stop Our Addiction to Weapons Deals'

[Jan-Åke Ingvar Jönsson]

'Obama-lies, which Obama did you vote for?'

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[FairfieldLife] TCM formula for Tinnitus available from reputable TCM practitioners in the US

[shukra69]

http://www.ancientacu.com/products/tinn.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re:Chris Wallace at FOX News grills Obama

[Jan-Åke Ingvar Jönsson]

Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor:
www.davidicke.com/obama

Obama-lies, which Obama did you vote for?:
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=5630

The Obama Deception:
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[FairfieldLife] Slice O Life

[TurquoiseB]

I sent this earlier to a few people via email, but 
now that I can post again I'll post it here.

For those of you whom I have managed to infect with my
love of singer/songwriter Bruce Cockburn, a new 2-CD
live album will be released March 31st. But there
is a web page up about it at True North Records:

http://truenorthrecords.com/Albums.php?album_id=536

This is a "live solo" album, so those who appreciate
Bruce as a guitarist are probably in for a treat,
because the full extent of his guitar expertise rarely
makes it onto studio albums, or is concealed there by
the other instruments. It shines here.

There are 'Play' icons for all of the songs, and they
are even "done right," so that if you click the first
one, the next one plays automatically, so you can listen
to the whole album, in order. These are also at this
point not partial clips of songs, but the full songs.
It makes great "background music" for surfing the Net.
I should know. It has been mine pretty much since 
Thursday, when I first heard about this site.

There is even a new song, The City Is Hungry. It's bluesy,
and we get to hear it the first night it was ever played
for an audience. I suspect even Curtis will be impressed
by his version of Soul Of A Man here, and by his off-the-
cuff riffs during the 12-String Warm Up sound check. 
Others will find his performance (and remember, this is
live, solo, with no prerecorded tracks to play against) 
of The End Of All Rivers. One could meditate to this.
I know. I have. And Child Of The Wind is essentially my
credo in life, performed better here than I've ever
heard it before.

There are some real gems here, especially for those of 
you who are guitarists. As the excellent article on the 
website points out, this is a gentleman whom Acoustic 
Guitar magazine placed in the esteemed company of Andrés 
Segovia, Bill Frisell and Django Reinhardt.

Slice O Life also reveals a lot of how *human* Bruce is, 
in the wonderful "sound check" improvisations included, 
and in his banter between songs. In one of the best 
moments, Bruce is talking about having studied for a time 
at the prestigious Berklee School of Music in Boston. At 
the time he thought he'd become a composer, writing for
jazz ensembles, so he studied diligently. 

A guy in the audience shouts out, "Yeah, and you kept
all that to yourself, right?" 

Bruce cracks up and says, "Yeah...that's just the kind
of prick I am."

Slice O Life demonstrates, possibly more than any of
his previous 33 albums, just what kind of prick Bruce 
Cockburn is. 

[FairfieldLife] Get a genie..& wish for the Best - What a beautiful world

[Arhata Osho]

A sales rep, an administration clerk and the manager are walking to lunch
when they find an antique oil lamp. They rub it and a Genie comes out in a puff
of smoke.  The Genie says, "I usually only grant three wishes,

so I'll give each of you one wish each."

"Me first! Me first!" says the admin clerk. "I want to be in the
Bahamas, driving a speedboat, without a care in the world."

Poof! She's gone.

In astonishment, "Me next! Me next!" says the sales rep. "I want
to be in Hawaii, relaxing on the beach with my personal masseuse, an endless
supply of Pina Coladas and the love of my life."

Poof! He's gone.  "OK, you're up," the Genie says to the
manager.

The Resort  manager says, "I want those two back in the office after lunch."

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Rooyt3ptNco


-- 



 

  



   
  



 

















  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Slice O Life

[uns_tressor]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> Slice O Life also reveals...
>
..but omits to mention his follow up album, rumoured to be
"Crime against the Apostrophe"
Uns.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The confusion caused by the bubble diagram.

[enlightened_dawn11]

thanks for bringing this up-- something which i have been thinking 
about as well lately. i think the beauty and power of the bubble 
diagram is that it suddenly made consciousness comprehensible in a 
simple and elegant way that hadn't been seen before. like so much of 
what he brought out, the Maharishi transformed the way the western 
world thinks about thought, action and the link between the two. 

when the Maharishi began using the bubble diagram to explain the 
process of transcending thought, this was a radical and unknown 
concept. and to tie this simple yet radical view of consciousness 
and transcending to a technique whereby anyone could enjoy and 
explore this process on their own, examining the very mechanics of 
consciousness, was completely unheard of.

based on my own experience i'd say you are correct when you say that 
aside from some early experiences tip toeing through the sleeping 
elephants, it takes years to reliably and regularly reach the source 
of thought, even using the mechanical and reliable mechanicm of TM. 
however not so for younger people i know who meditate. they seem to 
dive more deeply from the beginning. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
>
> Most TM'ers think they are actually transcending to Pure 
Consciousness
> (i.e. Brahman or unmanifest Being), in the daily 2X20 meditation 
they
> practice. Nothing could be further from the truth! The 
illustration of
> the thought bubble coming up from the source of thought is 
essentially
> correct, however it takes many, many years before a TM'er is 
actually
> able to do it *fully*, if at all!
> 
> "Hey, no thought, no mantra, that's it man you've transcended", 
(and
> don't even remember it,...huh?). It makes me want to laugh that
> someone could think that their consciousness had merged with 
Almighty
> God and they didn't even remember it!  Please!
> 
> If you had actually transcended to pure consciousness (Brahman or 
even
> to just Self Realization) it would be such a tremendous experience
> it'd knock your socks off, (even for a second)!  And you certainly
> wouldn't forget it!!
> It's a good teaching illustration, but has tended to be a bit
> misleading, something MMY didn't seem to mind, like the 5-8 year
> controversy.
> 
> Doesn't mean you don't transcend.at least a little, enough to
> experience peace and deep rest and that's good a good start, and 
like
> MMY let out himself, sometimes you CAN get a very clear experience
> right from the very beginning (tip toeing thru the sleeping 
elephants)
> but it's not common, "like seeing a house and knowing it's not a 
tree,
> etc.". But Brahman? The source of thought and the ultimate
> Purushottama come on, get real!
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong...please!
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation

[Vaj]

On Feb 7, 2009, at 10:14 PM, geezerfreak wrote:

> Judy's obsession with Barry continues...she blows her post count  
> in a day or two
> obsessing about Barry. There's a kind of sick amusement watching  
> this seemingly endless
> play.


Well please keep in mind, this same irresponsible, unethical and  
dishonest behavior is what still, to this very day, holds the entire  
list hostage. Hurling lies and dishonest characterizations only  
further spreads this irresponsible behavior as others are offended by  
the fabrications. There's really now only one or two reasons freedom  
of speech is curtailed on this list. And you've found the key one.  
Because of this one person, great questions never get answered,  
debated or tossed around. Instead everyone has to watch their number  
of posts because one or two people have issues and these are probably  
more of a personal nature than those against their imagined enemies.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
 wrote:
>
> thank you-- 
> 
> it says a lot about someone professing to progress on a spritual 
> path when they deliberately do not address their blind spots. 
> and it is thankfully coming to light as a dynamic example here 
> on FFL. 

You're commenting, of course, on you not 
explaining to us how you knew about my 
one-liner "a tempest in a pisspot," even
though it was last posted here six months 
before you "first joined FFL."  :-)

> discounting one of the friends of one of the faux buddhists here 
> on FFL who slavishly defends him in hopes of becoming enlightened 
> (wtf?)...

WTF indeed. Hey, all you friends and faux
buddhists out there who are depending upon
me for your enlightenment, your checks are
late. Get on the stick. :-)

> ...most of those who post here regularly, and many that don't, 
> do not think highly of this old doofus at all. recently there 
> have been many who now openly criticize this faux buddhist. 
> what a change from several months ago when i first joined FFL! 

H. Could this have anything to do with
WHY you "first joined FFL?" After all, you
arrived here with foreknowledge of things
I'd said six months previously. And when 
you did "first join FFL," after only two
posts you were saying negative things about 
me, when all that I had done at that point
was suggest that I did *not* found your 
posts negative, merely boring. 

That assessment has not changed, BTW.

> the fact that so many see through him is a perfect example 
> both of the systematic mental clarity gained through the 
> regular practice of TM...

I think you left out that being able to see
through me is a pretty good siddhi, and would
probably rate you a Class I experience at an
IA course, one would that get read to Maharishi
out there listening from heaven. Or from some-
where better than heaven. I never got that one 
straight.

> ...and the lack of same when someone rashly decides to quit 
> the practice.

Just as a question -- and this is a *theoretical*
question, mind you, pure fiction -- what would you 
think it would say about "systematic mental clarity 
gained through the regular practice of TM" if a 
person who had been practicing it regularly for 
many years decided to pretend to be someone other 
than who he really was? And not just once, but 
more than once?

What would it say about "systematic mental clarity"
that the first time he did this everyone figured
out who he really was within a few weeks? And what
would it say about "systematic mental clarity" if
at no point did this fictional person ever *admit* 
to being the person everyone knew he was? And do 
this while occasionally posting songs published 
under his real name, but posted using the fake 
name? Is that the kind of "systematic mental
clarity" that the non-regular practitioners of
TM here are missing out on? Would your assessment
be colored in any way by the fact that *under* 
that real name this fictional person had claimed 
to be enlightened?

Remember, this is just a theoretical question. 
Surely no long-term regular practitioner of TM
would ever do such a thing, right? But if one did,
honestly, do you think you might just be able to
make a little progress on that "being able to
see through him" siddhi yourself?

> anyway, thanks for your appreciation.

And for yours. Glad you appreciated the "tempest
in a pisspot" one-liner. You know, the one that
you knew about without ever having read it here. 
Now *that* is "systematic mental clarity."

As for your oft-repeated question, here's why 
I am ignoring it: "Have you stopped beating your
wife?" That's the kind of question it is. Find
a better way of phrasing it -- you know, like
a question and not an accusation -- and I might
deal with it. If you can, maybe I'll reply. And
if I don't, I told you in our first interaction
after you "first joined FFL" why. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation

[enlightened_dawn11]

ha ha - good one! perhaps you are the one who should be doing stand 
up, Vaj!

you regularly lie through omission and selective hearing here. and 
you give far too much power to Judy in your whine below, who "holds 
this entire list hostage". granted she is more powerful than you 
are, but she also has no fantasies about controlling this list, 
something which i cannot say about you.

this MUST be a joke post of yours, right? satirizing my comment that 
you and the other hooby buddhist on here have just two responses to 
any rational challenge, whine or run. and this definitely goes into 
my "whine" column. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 7, 2009, at 10:14 PM, geezerfreak wrote:
> 
> > Judy's obsession with Barry continues...she blows her post 
count  
> > in a day or two
> > obsessing about Barry. There's a kind of sick amusement 
watching  
> > this seemingly endless
> > play.
> 
> 
> Well please keep in mind, this same irresponsible, unethical and  
> dishonest behavior is what still, to this very day, holds the 
entire  
> list hostage. Hurling lies and dishonest characterizations only  
> further spreads this irresponsible behavior as others are offended 
by  
> the fabrications. There's really now only one or two reasons 
freedom  
> of speech is curtailed on this list. And you've found the key 
one.  
> Because of this one person, great questions never get answered,  
> debated or tossed around. Instead everyone has to watch their 
number  
> of posts because one or two people have issues and these are 
probably  
> more of a personal nature than those against their imagined 
enemies.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The confusion caused by the bubble diagram.

[Vaj]

On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:58 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:


thanks for bringing this up-- something which i have been thinking
about as well lately. i think the beauty and power of the bubble
diagram is that it suddenly made consciousness comprehensible in a
simple and elegant way that hadn't been seen before. like so much of
what he brought out, the Maharishi transformed the way the western
world thinks about thought, action and the link between the two.

when the Maharishi began using the bubble diagram to explain the
process of transcending thought, this was a radical and unknown
concept. and to tie this simple yet radical view of consciousness
and transcending to a technique whereby anyone could enjoy and
explore this process on their own, examining the very mechanics of
consciousness, was completely unheard of.


Thanks again for sharing you naivete.

The basis of bubbles, thoughts and an ocean of consciousness come  
right out of Vedanta Dawn. The imagery has been around for over a  
thousand years. Since Vedanta is the end of the Veda, this same  
imagery probably extends backwards into the remote past. I'm pretty  
sure it's found in early Buddhism. It's nothing new, except of course  
for the slick packaging.





based on my own experience i'd say you are correct when you say that
aside from some early experiences tip toeing through the sleeping
elephants, it takes years to reliably and regularly reach the source
of thought, even using the mechanical and reliable mechanicm of TM.
however not so for younger people i know who meditate. they seem to
dive more deeply from the beginning.



You might want to re-read Billy's post. It sounds to me like you  
glossed over what he was saying based on the delusion caused by the  
rose-colored glasses of true believership you have on. The problem is  
few--if any--ever truly transcend. This is probably why we still,  
after decades of mantra cogitation, have no scientific examples (or  
traditional examples for that matter) of samadhi in TM practicers--a  
technique that's supposed to lead to samadhi.


I seriously think you should consider changing your name to Dawn of  
Delusion. If really fits based on the consistent incongruity of your  
responses, which more often than not seem to have no connection to  
what the writer you are responding to says!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation

[enlightened_dawn11]

lol- ok Einstein, here's my magical sidhi trick for knowing what you 
posted previously, and i'll openly share it with you, and all others 
on FFL, for free!

1. open your browser. can be either Mozilla or IE (any version).
2. type "www.yahoo.com" into your browser's address line.
3. don't sign in to Yahoo. (key step)
4. go to the "Groups" service, and click once to select it.
5. when the page opens, go to the search box labeled "Find a group", 
type in "fairfield life", no spaces.
6. you will receive several hits on your search. select the one that 
reads "fairfieldlife".
7. you now have access online to FFL, without signing in or being a 
member. read to your heart's content.

thanks for proving my point that you have a weak and immature mind. 

i joined FFL to discuss my experiences with TM. i had noticed your 
negative and simplistic attitudes earler, though i did like and give 
you credit for your tempest in a pisspot phrase. 

anyway, have a nice day, Einstein. I will, albeit a chilly one.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
>  wrote:
> >
> > thank you-- 
> > 
> > it says a lot about someone professing to progress on a spritual 
> > path when they deliberately do not address their blind spots. 
> > and it is thankfully coming to light as a dynamic example here 
> > on FFL. 
> 
> You're commenting, of course, on you not 
> explaining to us how you knew about my 
> one-liner "a tempest in a pisspot," even
> though it was last posted here six months 
> before you "first joined FFL."  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The confusion caused by the bubble diagram.

[enlightened_dawn11]

ha ha! you really ARE a stand up comedian, Vaj! wait, wait, i am 
bowing in obescience to your grand revelation to me-- the bubble 
diagram comes from Vedanta? holy shit, why didn't someone tell me 
before this?!

and yes, i am the Dawn of Delusion, yours and the other fellow's. 
great suggestion. delusion has dawned so clearly and obviously since 
i began calling you on it! 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:58 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> 
> > thanks for bringing this up-- something which i have been 
thinking
> > about as well lately. i think the beauty and power of the bubble
> > diagram is that it suddenly made consciousness comprehensible in 
a
> > simple and elegant way that hadn't been seen before. like so 
much of
> > what he brought out, the Maharishi transformed the way the 
western
> > world thinks about thought, action and the link between the two.
> >
> > when the Maharishi began using the bubble diagram to explain the
> > process of transcending thought, this was a radical and unknown
> > concept. and to tie this simple yet radical view of consciousness
> > and transcending to a technique whereby anyone could enjoy and
> > explore this process on their own, examining the very mechanics 
of
> > consciousness, was completely unheard of.
> 
> Thanks again for sharing you naivete.
> 
> The basis of bubbles, thoughts and an ocean of consciousness come  
> right out of Vedanta Dawn. The imagery has been around for over a  
> thousand years. Since Vedanta is the end of the Veda, this same  
> imagery probably extends backwards into the remote past. I'm 
pretty  
> sure it's found in early Buddhism. It's nothing new, except of 
course  
> for the slick packaging.
> 
> >
> >
> > based on my own experience i'd say you are correct when you say 
that
> > aside from some early experiences tip toeing through the sleeping
> > elephants, it takes years to reliably and regularly reach the 
source
> > of thought, even using the mechanical and reliable mechanicm of 
TM.
> > however not so for younger people i know who meditate. they seem 
to
> > dive more deeply from the beginning.
> 
> 
> You might want to re-read Billy's post. It sounds to me like you  
> glossed over what he was saying based on the delusion caused by 
the  
> rose-colored glasses of true believership you have on. The problem 
is  
> few--if any--ever truly transcend. This is probably why we still,  
> after decades of mantra cogitation, have no scientific examples 
(or  
> traditional examples for that matter) of samadhi in TM practicers--
a  
> technique that's supposed to lead to samadhi.
> 
> I seriously think you should consider changing your name to Dawn 
of  
> Delusion. If really fits based on the consistent incongruity of 
your  
> responses, which more often than not seem to have no connection 
to  
> what the writer you are responding to says!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
 wrote:
>
> lol- ok Einstein, here's my magical sidhi trick for knowing what
> you posted previously, and i'll openly share it with you, and all 
> others on FFL, for free!
> 
> 1. open your browser. can be either Mozilla or IE (any version).
> 2. type "www.yahoo.com" into your browser's address line.
> 3. don't sign in to Yahoo. (key step)
> 4. go to the "Groups" service, and click once to select it.
> 5. when the page opens, go to the search box labeled "Find a 
> group", 
> type in "fairfield life", no spaces.
> 6. you will receive several hits on your search. select the one 
> that reads "fairfieldlife".
> 7. you now have access online to FFL, without signing in or being a 
> member. read to your heart's content.
> 
> thanks for proving my point that you have a weak and immature mind. 
> 
> i joined FFL to discuss my experiences with TM. i had noticed your 
> negative and simplistic attitudes earler, though i did like and 
> give you credit for your tempest in a pisspot phrase. 
> 
> anyway, have a nice day, Einstein. I will, albeit a chilly one.


Cool. Well, that explains that. Thanks.

But you didn't tell us what you thought of the
fictional guy who did all the things in my example.

Say it really happened, and the real name was Jim
Flanegin and the fake name was sandiego108, and
it really did happen. 

You're a smart gal, Dawn...would you consider a
person who did that enlightened? Would you consider
that person an example of "systematic mental clarity?"

Do tell. Show us what a strong and mature mind you 
have, in contrast to my weak and immature one. 


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > thank you-- 
> > > 
> > > it says a lot about someone professing to progress on a spritual 
> > > path when they deliberately do not address their blind spots. 
> > > and it is thankfully coming to light as a dynamic example here 
> > > on FFL. 
> > 
> > You're commenting, of course, on you not 
> > explaining to us how you knew about my 
> > one-liner "a tempest in a pisspot," even
> > though it was last posted here six months 
> > before you "first joined FFL."  :-)
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The confusion caused by the bubble diagram.

[Vaj]

On Feb 8, 2009, at 10:37 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:


ha ha! you really ARE a stand up comedian, Vaj! wait, wait, i am
bowing in obescience to your grand revelation to me-- the bubble
diagram comes from Vedanta? holy shit, why didn't someone tell me
before this?!



Probably because they didn't want to embarrass you when you say  
clueless things like:


"i think the beauty and power of the bubble
diagram is that it suddenly made consciousness comprehensible in a
simple and elegant way that hadn't been seen before."

"when the Maharishi began using the bubble diagram to explain the
process of transcending thought, this was a radical and unknown
concept."

And then have you turn around and try to cover your tracks with  
misdirection, something you use a LOT to try to lead people away from  
your foibles:


"and yes, i am the Dawn of Delusion, yours and the other fellow's.
great suggestion. delusion has dawned so clearly and obviously since
i began calling you on it! "

The only thing I get from your responses is that you either don't  
understand what is being said or you just don't listen well and post  
knee-jerk responses posting your incongruent, off-subject beliefs. So  
while you might think you're "calling" people on it, all I see is you  
missing what people are saying and then pushing a TB agenda with  
parroted phrases.


That's certainly why I don't even bother responding to most of your  
posts, because all they show to me is that you either weren't  
listening to what I said, you didn't understand what I was conveying  
or the allusions being made. I get the same feeling as when I'm having  
a conversation with someone and it's clear they're not really  
listening to what I'm saying, but just waiting for me to finish so  
they can interject what they have to say.

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:

> Curtis is assuming of course, his next life will be at least as good
> as his current non-sucky life.

I am assuming that this is my one and only life and that the story of
reincarnation is a fairy tale like salvation.

 What if his next life IS sucky? Really
> sucky. He should know that having this life is a lucky opportunity
and> having a next life is just a crap shoot of whether or not he will
even> get a human body. In the event that the gods of karma decree his
next> human life will be be suckier than this one,

Are you trying to instill a phobia in me so I will fear not believing
in fairy tales from an old culture's books as literal fact?  That is
sooo cute.

 it's all good. "So be> kind..." (song) http://tinyurl.com/d7pllt

Funny song, thanks.  I love duck and am very kind to them by rendering
the fat from their skin whenever I buy them so no part goes to waste.
 (Fry potatoes in duck fat for heaven on earth.)

> 
> "Human body is attained with great difficulties. Being born in human
> species is the only way out of the prison of birth and death. If one
> misses this opportunity out of negligence, lethargy and hesitation
one> is bound to undergo, forever, the plight of birth and death.
> Hence rise, awake, attain eternal peace and bliss by being in
contact> with the best of mankind." Guru Dev

Oh Gramps, you are adorable when you go off on your fundamentalist
Hindu tirades!  You see you grew up in a Hindu culture and never
traveled throughout the world enough or did enough reading to learn
that each culture has its own myths to explain what happens after we
die.  For example where I grew up I was raised to believe that I had
to engage in the sacraments of the Catholic church to ensure my best
life after death.  Some Christians believe that this is wrong and that
you have to accept Jesus as your personal savior.  So did you do that
or due to "negligence, lethargy and hesitation" did you miss out on
your eternal life with God after your death old fella?

Wait a second, the old coot dozed off again, somebody get a napkin he
is starting to drool again.

 


>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "metoostill"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> > > 
> > > I think this yogic identification theory is totally bogus.  It is a
> > > made-up problem.  I am not identified with any object of
perception. 
> > > I can be passionate about some things, but trying to paint that as
> > > some kind nonspiritual way to live seems so contrived.  
> > > 
> > > The whole premise of yoga that we are somehow not OK right now and
> > > need to be fixed, that the fundamental way that we are inside is
> > > "wrong" and unenlightened, ""the mistake of the intellect", seems to
> > > be a manufactured problem meant to enslave people who are not
> > > confident about themselves.  It worked on me when I was a LOT
> younger. 
> > > 
> > > And the threat of living on earth again as something to escape?Being
> > > damned to live again?   We should be so lucky.  Who is having such a
> > > sucky life that you wouldn't jump at the chance for another one?  
> > > 
> 
> Curtis is assuming of course, his next life will be at least as good
> as his current non-sucky life. What if his next life IS sucky? Really
> sucky. He should know that having this life is a lucky opportunity and
> having a next life is just a crap shoot of whether or not he will even
> get a human body. In the event that the gods of karma decree his next
> human life will be be suckier than this one, it's all good. "So be
> kind..." (song) http://tinyurl.com/d7pllt
> 
> "Human body is attained with great difficulties. Being born in human
> species is the only way out of the prison of birth and death. If one
> misses this opportunity out of negligence, lethargy and hesitation one
> is bound to undergo, forever, the plight of birth and death.
> Hence rise, awake, attain eternal peace and bliss by being in contact
> with the best of mankind." Guru Dev 
> 
> > Curtis, your post resonated with me.  A manufactured problem, yes. 
> And that last paragraph 
> > is in my estimation a gem.  That really when given the chance to
> come here we all waved our 
> > hands wildly saying "me, pick me".  And will again the next time. 
> Thanks.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> Like you, Curtis, I don't find identification to
> be an issue of any kind. I'm sitting in a cafe, and
> a beautiful woman walks by. I look up. I look at her.
> I *appreciate* the beauty. It does not inspire lust
> in me (I'm too old to be locked into that rut any
> more); it just inspires a love of beauty. I think,
> "Wow. Now *that* is a beautiful woman." She walks
> on. So does thinking about her. Out of sight, out
> of mind. No identification, no problem.
> 
> In my honest opinion, those who perceive one in that
> interaction are doing so based on an intellectual
> interpretation *about* identification that they were
> taught in their youth, and which they have never been
> able to outgrow.

Or, if they've experienced *witnessing* such an
interaction as well, they perceive the difference
between that experience and this one.

(The example, of course, is loaded; it's designed
to minimize the effect of identification. To take
an example from the opposite end of the spectrum,
let's say what you see is your only child running
out into the street while you were distracted by
the beautiful woman, and being hit by a car.)

 They are also doing this based on a
> distrust of anything in the [said with disgust]
> *relative*, something that was *also* taught to them
> in their youth by someone who *felt* disgust for any-
> thing in the relative.

I can't recall ever having been taught anything like
this by MMY, nor ever having sensed any such "disgust"
from him.

 So much so that the worst thing
> he could imagine was to be reborn and have to deal with
> the relative again in a future life.
> 
> > > The whole premise of yoga that we are somehow not OK right 
> > > now and need to be fixed, that the fundamental way that we 
> > > are inside is "wrong" and unenlightened, ""the mistake of 
> > > the intellect", seems to be a manufactured problem meant to 
> > > enslave people who are not confident about themselves.  
> 
> It's the Hindu counterpart of Catholic "sin" and the 
> notion that man is "fallen." I don't buy it.

The basic notion that life is not what it should be is,
of course, far more pervasive than just Catholicism or
Hinduism.

 
> > > And the threat of living on earth again as something
> > > to escape? Being damned to live again?  We should be
> > > so lucky. 
> 
> Exactly. How can anyone in their right mind NOT
> understand that their FEAR OF REBIRTH 
> was *taught* to them by someone who feared it? 
> Maharishi did not LIKE the relative world. He spent
> his entire life trying to CHANGE it, to make
> it look more like the fantasies in his head.

Does working to change the relative world so it
more closely resembles one's ideals mean that one
fears and hates the relative?

"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up
and live out the true meaning of its creed: 'We hold
these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
created equal.'

"I have a dream that one day on the red hills of
Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of
former slave owners will be able to sit down together
at the table of brotherhood

"I have a dream that my four little children will one
day live in a nation where they will not be judged by
the color of their skin but by the content of their
character. 

"I have a dream today!"

 You
> know, the ones where everything is golden and the
> world is run by benevolent kings and the peons
> do as they're told and none of the Brahmins have
> to work for a living and multicolored soma popsicles
> grow on trees.

"I have a dream that one day every valley shall be
exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low,
the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked
places will be made straight; 'and the glory of the
Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it
together.'"


> Rebirth is seen as a *perk* by most people.

Not. That it's a "perk" is primarily a New Age Western
notion.


> And so what did Maharishi Mahesh Yogi do with the
> idea of reincarnation? He took the (possibly) silly
> dream and turned it into a nightmare: "We are opposed
> to reincarnation."

Or "Reincarnation is for the ignorant."

 He taught gullible people in their
> youth that reincarnating was a Bad Thing, not a Good
> Thing the way it is to anyone who finds life lovely.

Actually, what he taught is that enlightenment is a
Better Thing.

(And as ed11 pointed out, one may find *this* life
lovely, but there's no assurance that one's next
life will be lovely as well.)

> > > Who is having such a sucky life that you wouldn't
> > > jump at the chance for another one?

> Yet in my youth someone took advantage of my gullibility
> and made me believe for a while that I *didn't* enjoy
> life, and that I should fear life and retreat from it 
> into hotel rooms with my eyes closed, in an attempt to 
> prevent having to have another life in the future.

Again, I was never "made to believe" that I wasn't
enjoying life, or that I shou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 7, 2009, at 10:14 PM, geezerfreak wrote:
> 
> > Judy's obsession with Barry continues...she
> > blows her post count in a day or two obsessing
> > about Barry. There's a kind of sick amusement
> > watching this seemingly endless play.
> 
> Well please keep in mind, this same irresponsible,
> unethical and dishonest behavior is what still, to
> this very day, holds the entire list hostage. Hurling
> lies and dishonest characterizations only further
> spreads this irresponsible behavior as others are
> offended by the fabrications.

You mean geezerfreak's lies and dishonest 
characterizations (example above), or Barry's?

You should include your own, BTW, as exemplified
below:

 There's really now only one or two reasons freedom  
> of speech is curtailed on this list. And you've found
> the key one. Because of this one person, great
> questions never get answered, debated or tossed around.
> Instead everyone has to watch their number of posts
> because one or two people have issues and these are
> probably more of a personal nature than those against
> their imagined enemies.

Anybody think Vaj really believes this absurd nonsense?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation

[enlightened_dawn11]

do you honestly think you are onto something here Einstein? let's 
have a look, shall we? so far, according to you:

i am blond, but i am boring and you will no longer respond to my 
posts, however upon reflection i am boring, and you will respond to 
my posts, although i have an indian sounding name, and i post under 
my real name, unless i post under a fake name (at the same time). i 
am a man, though i am a woman, while also a song writer, who cross 
dresses. at the same time, i do TM, even though i don't do TM, and i 
think i am enlightened, while also not thinking i am enlightened.

please add any further inconsistencies of yours i may have missed...

wtf Einstein? is this a last ditch attempt of yours to gain some 
credibility around here? oh no, i forgot, you only write for the 
moment...and moments change...

anyway, those of us here on the board would really like from you a 
definitive list, about what you have -really- and -finally- 
concluded about me. 

as i said to your groupie earlier, good luck with that, Einstein.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
>  wrote:
> >
> > lol- ok Einstein, here's my magical sidhi trick for knowing what
> > you posted previously, and i'll openly share it with you, and 
all 
> > others on FFL, for free!
> > 
> > 1. open your browser. can be either Mozilla or IE (any version).
> > 2. type "www.yahoo.com" into your browser's address line.
> > 3. don't sign in to Yahoo. (key step)
> > 4. go to the "Groups" service, and click once to select it.
> > 5. when the page opens, go to the search box labeled "Find a 
> > group", 
> > type in "fairfield life", no spaces.
> > 6. you will receive several hits on your search. select the one 
> > that reads "fairfieldlife".
> > 7. you now have access online to FFL, without signing in or 
being a 
> > member. read to your heart's content.
> > 
> > thanks for proving my point that you have a weak and immature 
mind. 
> > 
> > i joined FFL to discuss my experiences with TM. i had noticed 
your 
> > negative and simplistic attitudes earler, though i did like and 
> > give you credit for your tempest in a pisspot phrase. 
> > 
> > anyway, have a nice day, Einstein. I will, albeit a chilly one.
> 
> 
> Cool. Well, that explains that. Thanks.
> 
> But you didn't tell us what you thought of the
> fictional guy who did all the things in my example.
> 
> Say it really happened, and the real name was Jim
> Flanegin and the fake name was sandiego108, and
> it really did happen. 
> 
> You're a smart gal, Dawn...would you consider a
> person who did that enlightened? Would you consider
> that person an example of "systematic mental clarity?"
> 
> Do tell. Show us what a strong and mature mind you 
> have, in contrast to my weak and immature one. 
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > thank you-- 
> > > > 
> > > > it says a lot about someone professing to progress on a 
spritual 
> > > > path when they deliberately do not address their blind 
spots. 
> > > > and it is thankfully coming to light as a dynamic example 
here 
> > > > on FFL. 
> > > 
> > > You're commenting, of course, on you not 
> > > explaining to us how you knew about my 
> > > one-liner "a tempest in a pisspot," even
> > > though it was last posted here six months 
> > > before you "first joined FFL."  :-)
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > 
> > On Feb 7, 2009, at 10:14 PM, geezerfreak wrote:
> > 
> > > Judy's obsession with Barry continues...she
> > > blows her post count in a day or two obsessing
> > > about Barry. There's a kind of sick amusement
> > > watching this seemingly endless play.
> > 
> > Well please keep in mind, this same irresponsible,
> > unethical and dishonest behavior is what still, to
> > this very day, holds the entire list hostage. Hurling
> > lies and dishonest characterizations only further
> > spreads this irresponsible behavior as others are
> > offended by the fabrications.
> 
> You mean geezerfreak's lies and dishonest 
> characterizations (example above), or Barry's?
> 
> You should include your own, BTW, as exemplified
> below:
> 
> > There's really now only one or two reasons freedom  
> > of speech is curtailed on this list. And you've found
> > the key one. Because of this one person, great
> > questions never get answered, debated or tossed around.
> > Instead everyone has to watch their number of posts
> > because one or two people have issues and these are
> > probably more of a personal nature than those against
> > their imagined enemies.
> 
> Anybody think Vaj really believes this absurd nonsense?


You still haven't seen "Doubt," have you, Judy?

Is this going to be another one of those scenarios
(as with "Apocalypto") in which you carefully never
see the movie so that you'll never find out that
comments you've made about it were...uh...wrong?

I can understand the aversion thang in this case, 
though. It would be tough to go into a theater, 
grab a handful of popcorn from the bag, and then
see yourself up on the screen. A lot of people 
would not be able to handle that gracefully.

But I'll "trade" if it'll help you to take the risk
and see the film. You pick any movie character (or 
characters...you can pick more than one) you can 
think of whom you think is/are  "just like Barry" 
and tell me what they are, and I'll promise to 
watch the movies.

Hint: I re-watched "Silence of the Lambs" again 
last week, so if you pick Hannibal Lechter, I got 
ya covered. Same with "Angel Heart," if the char-
acter you pick is Lucifer.

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The confusion caused by the bubble diagram.

[enlightened_dawn11]

as is common knowledge to anyone who practices TM, the Maharishi was 
insistent that he wasn't bringing out -anything new-. his was a 
revival of simple practical knowledge that had been lost. he stated 
this so many times, i was sure even those who haven't practiced TM 
in decades like yourself would have known that.

and this was my context for statements about the bubble diagram. 
what you call slick packaging, i call an elegant and simple 
explanation. 

this is precisely what i mean when i talk about your rigid mind, 
Vaj. you have no clue about context. you are so lost in hearing 
yourself pontificate about obvious shit that you forget what is 
already basic knowledge for the rest of us.

PS please continue not bothering to respond to my posts- lol

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 8, 2009, at 10:37 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> 
> > ha ha! you really ARE a stand up comedian, Vaj! wait, wait, i am
> > bowing in obescience to your grand revelation to me-- the bubble
> > diagram comes from Vedanta? holy shit, why didn't someone tell me
> > before this?!
> 
> 
> Probably because they didn't want to embarrass you when you say  
> clueless things like:
> 
> "i think the beauty and power of the bubble
> diagram is that it suddenly made consciousness comprehensible in a
> simple and elegant way that hadn't been seen before."
> 
> "when the Maharishi began using the bubble diagram to explain the
> process of transcending thought, this was a radical and unknown
> concept."
> 
> And then have you turn around and try to cover your tracks with  
> misdirection, something you use a LOT to try to lead people away 
from  
> your foibles:
> 
> "and yes, i am the Dawn of Delusion, yours and the other fellow's.
> great suggestion. delusion has dawned so clearly and obviously 
since
> i began calling you on it! "
> 
> The only thing I get from your responses is that you either don't  
> understand what is being said or you just don't listen well and 
post  
> knee-jerk responses posting your incongruent, off-subject beliefs. 
So  
> while you might think you're "calling" people on it, all I see is 
you  
> missing what people are saying and then pushing a TB agenda with  
> parroted phrases.
> 
> That's certainly why I don't even bother responding to most of 
your  
> posts, because all they show to me is that you either weren't  
> listening to what I said, you didn't understand what I was 
conveying  
> or the allusions being made. I get the same feeling as when I'm 
having  
> a conversation with someone and it's clear they're not really  
> listening to what I'm saying, but just waiting for me to finish 
so  
> they can interject what they have to say.
>

[FairfieldLife] Obama puts brake on Afghan surge

[do.rflex]

Times of London - President Barack Obama has demanded that American
defence chiefs review their strategy in Afghanistan before going ahead
with a troop surge.

There is concern among senior Democrats that the military is preparing
to send up to 30,000 extra troops without a coherent plan or exit
strategy.

The Pentagon was set to announce the deployment of 17,000 extra
soldiers and marines last week but Robert Gates, the defence
secretary, postponed the decision after questions from Obama.

The president was concerned by a lack of strategy at his first meeting
with Gates and the US joint chiefs of staff last month in "the tank",
the secure conference room in the Pentagon. He asked: "What's the
endgame?" and did not receive a convincing answer.

~Full article - Times of London: 
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5683681.ece

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ringing in the ears during meditation

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Feb 7, 2009, at 10:14 PM, geezerfreak wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Judy's obsession with Barry continues...she
> > > > blows her post count in a day or two obsessing
> > > > about Barry. There's a kind of sick amusement
> > > > watching this seemingly endless play.
> > > 
> > > Well please keep in mind, this same irresponsible,
> > > unethical and dishonest behavior is what still, to
> > > this very day, holds the entire list hostage. Hurling
> > > lies and dishonest characterizations only further
> > > spreads this irresponsible behavior as others are
> > > offended by the fabrications.
> > 
> > You mean geezerfreak's lies and dishonest 
> > characterizations (example above), or Barry's?
> > 
> > You should include your own, BTW, as exemplified
> > below:
> > 
> > > There's really now only one or two reasons freedom  
> > > of speech is curtailed on this list. And you've found
> > > the key one. Because of this one person, great
> > > questions never get answered, debated or tossed around.
> > > Instead everyone has to watch their number of posts
> > > because one or two people have issues and these are
> > > probably more of a personal nature than those against
> > > their imagined enemies.
> > 
> > Anybody think Vaj really believes this absurd nonsense?
> 
> You still haven't seen "Doubt," have you, Judy?
> 
> Is this going to be another one of those scenarios
> (as with "Apocalypto") in which you carefully never
> see the movie so that you'll never find out that
> comments you've made about it were...uh...wrong?

Are you certain my comments were wrong, Barry?

(And WTF does whether I've seen "Doubt" have to do
with the comments you're responding to??)

I probably will see it at some point. I didn't see
"Apocalypto" for the same reason I didn't see
"Passion": I really don't enjoy gory films.

> I can understand the aversion thang in this case,
> though. It would be tough to go into a theater,
> grab a handful of popcorn from the bag, and then
> see yourself up on the screen. A lot of people
> would not be able to handle that gracefully.

I'm not concerned about that possibility, given
your descriptions of the film. Of course, if your
descriptions were wrong...

> But I'll "trade" if it'll help you to take the risk
> and see the film. You pick any movie character (or
> characters...you can pick more than one) you can
> think of whom you think is/are "just like Barry"
> and tell me what they are, and I'll promise to
> watch the movies.

Can't recall ever having seen a film with a character
just like you, sorry.

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > Curtis is assuming of course, his next life will be at least 
> > as good as his current non-sucky life.
> 
> I am assuming that this is my one and only life and that the 
> story of reincarnation is a fairy tale like salvation.
> 
> > What if his next life IS sucky? Really sucky. He should know 
> > that having this life is a lucky opportunity

Raunch, I'm pretty sure that Curtis is more
aware of that than most. So is Bruce Cockburn,
in the song that opens the album I posted a
link to today. You might like it. It's all
about how having this life is a lucky
opportunity:

World Of Wonders
June 1985, Toronto, Canada

Stand on a bridge before the cavern of night
Darkness alive with possibility
Nose to this wind full of twinkling lights
Trying to catch the scent of what's coming to be 
In this world of wonders

Somewhere a saxophone slides through changes
Like a wet pipe dripping down my neck
Gives me a chill -- sounds like danger
But I can't stop moving till I cross this sector 
Of this world of wonders

There's a rainbow shining in a bead of spittle
Falling diamonds in rattling rain
Light flexed on moving muscle
I stand here dazzled with my heart in flames 
At this world of wonders

Moment of peace like brief arctic bloom
Red/gold ripple of the sun going down
Line of black hills makes my bed
Sky full of love pulled over my head
World of wonders

http://truenorthrecords.com/Albums.php?album_id=536

( first cut after the introductory applause )

[FairfieldLife] Re: The confusion caused by the bubble diagram.

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
 wrote:

> thanks for bringing this up-- something which i have been thinking 
> about as well lately. i think the beauty and power of the bubble 
> diagram is that it suddenly made consciousness comprehensible in a 
> simple and elegant way that hadn't been seen before. like so much of 
> what he brought out, the Maharishi transformed the way the western 
> world thinks about thought, action and the link between the two. 

I think that's a legitimate comment!


> when the Maharishi began using the bubble diagram to explain the 
> process of transcending thought, this was a radical and unknown 
> concept. and to tie this simple yet radical view of consciousness 
> and transcending to a technique whereby anyone could enjoy and 
> explore this process on their own, examining the very mechanics of 
> consciousness, was completely unheard of.

Again touche, nicely put!

> based on my own experience i'd say you are correct when you say that 
> aside from some early experiences tip toeing through the sleeping 
> elephants, it takes years to reliably and regularly reach the source 
> of thought, even using the mechanical and reliable mechanicm of TM. 
> however not so for younger people i know who meditate. they seem to 
> dive more deeply from the beginning. 

We are on the same page here, thanks for your input, it looks like you
haven't drunk the coolaide and haven't lost your objectivity...:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Slice O Life

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > Slice O Life also reveals...
> >
> ..but omits to mention his follow up album, rumoured to be
> "Crime against the Apostrophe"
> Uns.

LOL!

[FairfieldLife] Re: The confusion caused by the bubble diagram.

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
 wrote:
>
> thanks for bringing this up-- something which i have been thinking 
> about as well lately.

In addition, I've come to conclude that when MMY said thought comes
from the source of thought he was talking about the Holy AUM vibration.

That is, when we think the mantra  it becomes subtler and subtler and
eventually *merges* into the Holy Sound OM or 'thought' of God and
from there one is buoyed aloft to bliss consciousnessinteresting,
just speculating, never having done it myself. :-)

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[Duveyoung]

"curtisdeltablues"  wrote:

I think this yogic identification theory is totally bogus.  It is a
made-up problem.  I am not identified with any object of perception.  I
can be passionate about some things, but trying to paint that as some
kind nonspiritual way to live seems so contrived.

The whole premise of yoga that we are somehow not OK right now and need
to be fixed, that the fundamental way that we are inside is "wrong" and
unenlightened, ""the mistake of the intellect", seems to be a
manufactured problem meant to enslave people who are not confident about
themselves.  It worked on me when I was a LOT younger.

And the threat of living on earth again as something to escape? Being
damned to live again?   We should be so lucky.  Who is having such a
sucky life that you wouldn't jump at the chance for another one?

Curtis, dude, buddy, whoa . . .

"You-son, we have a problem."

I'm wondering if you read my entire post.  (It was s long, so who
could blame you if you didn't?)

>From your response, it seems like the examples I gave were not deeply
considered.  Perhaps you did do so, or perhaps you have done so in the
past and feel it was unnecessary to once again bat down the same old
tired concepts that you long ago dismissed and feel that you did so with
clarity.

Good news:    I think we merely have a problem with
definitions -- and that's it.  I deeply trust your ability to examine
the passing parade of ideation inside your mind and to come up with
concepts that wonderfully capture what you've experienced.  I hope you
hear my true admiration for your ken.  Get it that I am honored by your
attention even when it is packaged in a brusque tone.  I know you are
seeking truth and trying to help me do so too.

But, your reaction seems to have a "strident emotional soundtrack" and I
hesitate to re-engage you on the issues of my post.  I'm not here to
piss you off with a droning redundancy of a true believer, and in fact,
I think that you have helped me on many occasions to sort out our
various dissonances when I have had the mojo to toe-toe with yo.  I
think you have enjoyed dialog with me in the past, and, for this reason,
the above post seems oddly incomplete or rushed.

You say: I am not identified with any object of perception.  I can be
passionate about some things, but trying to paint that as some kind
nonspiritual way to live seems so contrived.

This statement shocked me.  A true wallop; it made me wonder if I have
even the least insight into you, or anyone for that matter -- I would
have bet a ton of bucks that you DID believe in the concept of
attachment/identification, and that you also felt that life was a long
struggle to free oneself from the world's tarbabies.

Common ground for us might be:  that certainly you've had various
addictions and habits that you've found to be a drag and that you have
tried to free your mind from in order to stop the repeating of such
unwanted patterns, and for sure you must have found that it is not all
that easy to assure the future contents of your mind.

Here's a few examples -- if they are "not you," I'm sure you can provide
others that do pertain.

Haven't you had a song going in your head that kept looping and was a
bother?

Haven't you had desires for high calorie foods, when you've tried to
maintain some sort of dietary regimin, and found that they kept coming
up in your mind no matter what you tried to do to prevent them from
repeating?

Even on the level of playing a guitar, in your past, you must have had
many a struggle with your hands wanting to finger a passage one way but
you know you have to use a different fingering if you're ever going to
play that piece fluidly, and you had to train your hand to do your
bidding instead of its own, ahem, knee-jerk approach to the new
fingering challenge.

Haven't you also found that your mind can dwell indulgently on
pleasurable experiences that were, as if, cul-de-sacs, time-wasters,
health challengers, risky, etc. and despite your enjoying the
experiences, you knew that there was a downside to luxuriating in them
too much and felt that you were at least a little bit victimized by your
addiction to repeating the experiences?

However much or little the above examples resonate, are we not agreed
that the "overhead of maintaining a human existence" can be fatiguing?
burdensome? boring? not-getting-anywhere? too pedestrian? obsession
driven? Etc.?

To me, the unwanted repetition of a pattern of mind is a proof that
"attachment" has occurred.

If I want "ice cream while on a diet," I am bothered by the pronging
urgency, the overpowering of my logical conclusions and the weakening of
my intents, and, ick, the sheer creepiness of an out-of-place-&-time
allure.   We've all had a pitchforking imp on a shoulder, but miss not
that it is just as bad if an angel is on a shoulder bothering one with a
constant "harping" that one must do a spiritual solid or cease a sin of
omission.  Either side of the force, dark o

[FairfieldLife] Re: The confusion caused by the bubble diagram.

[boo_lives]

The bubble diagram was an intriguing way to conceptualize what was
going on in meditation for me for years.  Now, however, I find it to
be major mental maya.  The whole concept that you need to "go"
somewhere to experience transcendence, not just away from sensory
experience with eyes closed etc, not just away from corporal
experience with cessation of breathing etc., but also to "go deeper"
inside the mind or down into the ocean consciousness -- I experience
all that to be a false and distracting concept.  The only place I
think you go to in the mind is to another place in the mind.  

The bubble diagram makes it sound better to go deeper down, but that's
just imagery.  The feeling of mental relaxation going on has its
benefits, but it's not necessarily in the "direction" of
transcendence, anymore than anything else the minds does.  After I
started practices such as chigong and tai chi, my teachers often had
to stop me from "going away" inside whenever I began to feel more in
the present, more integrated.  What I've learned is that "going away"
bubble style to "deeper levels" while experiencing this present
moment, no thought, unified awareness was actually limiting my
spiritual development, keeping it from becoming fully integrated, esp
in body/emotions.  OF course this gets us to another tmo classic, the
dyeing the cloth analogy, which I also think is useful for the mind to
have when beginning meditation, but which I now find counterproductive
- either you experience transcendence as it naturally permeates all
experience, including in an integrated manner with your
body/emotion/thoughts, or you're not integrating it.

(will try to post more on this later)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The confusion caused by the bubble diagram.

[boo_lives]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
 wrote:
>
> as is common knowledge to anyone who practices TM, the Maharishi was 
> insistent that he wasn't bringing out -anything new-. his was a 
> revival of simple practical knowledge that had been lost. he stated 
> this so many times, i was sure even those who haven't practiced TM 
> in decades like yourself would have known that.
> 
MMY asserted that tm and other techniques came from "a 5000 yr old
tradition, but the tmo credits MMY with numerous new "cognitions" and
interpretations of the veda, or in some cases, repackaging the concept
so creatively as to be considered new.

Actually I think the reverse is true:  TM and the tm sidhis were made
up by MMY, but most all of his concepts were taken from other vedic
thinking already out there.


> and this was my context for statements about the bubble diagram. 
> what you call slick packaging, i call an elegant and simple 
> explanation. 
> 
> this is precisely what i mean when i talk about your rigid mind, 
> Vaj. you have no clue about context. you are so lost in hearing 
> yourself pontificate about obvious shit that you forget what is 
> already basic knowledge for the rest of us.
> 
> PS please continue not bothering to respond to my posts- lol
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Feb 8, 2009, at 10:37 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> > 
> > > ha ha! you really ARE a stand up comedian, Vaj! wait, wait, i am
> > > bowing in obescience to your grand revelation to me-- the bubble
> > > diagram comes from Vedanta? holy shit, why didn't someone tell me
> > > before this?!
> > 
> > 
> > Probably because they didn't want to embarrass you when you say  
> > clueless things like:
> > 
> > "i think the beauty and power of the bubble
> > diagram is that it suddenly made consciousness comprehensible in a
> > simple and elegant way that hadn't been seen before."
> > 
> > "when the Maharishi began using the bubble diagram to explain the
> > process of transcending thought, this was a radical and unknown
> > concept."
> > 
> > And then have you turn around and try to cover your tracks with  
> > misdirection, something you use a LOT to try to lead people away 
> from  
> > your foibles:
> > 
> > "and yes, i am the Dawn of Delusion, yours and the other fellow's.
> > great suggestion. delusion has dawned so clearly and obviously 
> since
> > i began calling you on it! "
> > 
> > The only thing I get from your responses is that you either don't  
> > understand what is being said or you just don't listen well and 
> post  
> > knee-jerk responses posting your incongruent, off-subject beliefs. 
> So  
> > while you might think you're "calling" people on it, all I see is 
> you  
> > missing what people are saying and then pushing a TB agenda with  
> > parroted phrases.
> > 
> > That's certainly why I don't even bother responding to most of 
> your  
> > posts, because all they show to me is that you either weren't  
> > listening to what I said, you didn't understand what I was 
> conveying  
> > or the allusions being made. I get the same feeling as when I'm 
> having  
> > a conversation with someone and it's clear they're not really  
> > listening to what I'm saying, but just waiting for me to finish 
> so  
> > they can interject what they have to say.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Age of Aquarius

[Rick Archer]

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrGLf4J33vU&feature=related

Remember Hair? Well.. now we have a date, February 14th,2009.
The moon will be in the 7th house. Jupiter will align with Mars.
Which, if we old hippies are right, will mean.. peace WILL guide the
planets and love WILL steer the stars. Finally, this IS the dawning of
the age of Aquarius!

In mid February a rare astrological concentration brings together a
number of planets together
with the North Node - denoting higher purpose - in Aquarius that
energizes and inspires the possibility for transcendental breakthrough
in some perhaps seemingly intransigent situations.
We measure our global sense of both space (latitude and longitude) and
time (universal time - UT or GMT) from the prime meridian located at
Greenwich, England. So we can perceive the collective influence of
this momentous astrological event by looking at the alignment from
this globally 'centered' perspective.

When we do something extraordinary and exquisite emerges. At dawn on
14th February the
day dedicated to St Valentine, the patron saint of Love, the Moon in
Libra enters the seventh house of relationships. And Jupiter and
Marsare aligned in Aquarius in the twelfth house of spiritual
transformation .Forty years ago, the intuitive words of a song called
Aquarius, brought the dawning of the new age into our collective
awareness:

When the Moon is in the seventh house

and Jupiter aligns with Mars.

Then love will rule the planets

and peace will steer the stars

At dawn on 14th

February the Cosmos actually embodies this perfect alignment to
support our collective manifestation of love and peace and dawning of
the Age of Aquarius.

The Aquarian chart of 14th

February reveals an incredible concentration of cosmic influences
blending with the energies of Aquarius in the twelfth house. Expansive
Jupiter and energetic Mars are aligned with the higher purpose of the
North Node. The presence of Chiron the wounded healer offers us the
opportunity to heal the schisms that have separated us for so long.
Neptune emphasizes collective humanitarian movements and the
co-creation of social justice. And the presence of the radiant Sun
enlightens the entire alignment.

Mercury also in the twelfth house but just beyond the cusp in
Capricorn, allies with
transformational Pluto to communicate and anchor the Shift
throughoutour global structures and institutions.

The Moon in Libra in the seventh house emphasizes harmonious real
-ationships.

Venus in Aries in the first house energizes and empowers dynamic
co-creativity.

And whilst Saturn the great task master in opposition to Uranus the
unexpected awakener is
suggesting an ongoing confrontation as the dregs of the unsustainable
old paradigm reluctantly give way to the untested hope of the new,
their placements in Virgo and Pisces brings practical altruism and
visionary inspiration to the transition.

At 7.25am on 14th
February - and for the 18 minutes of the alignment, I invite you, in
the universal heart, to add your own intention for love and peace and
to co-create the dawning of the Age of Aquarius to that of the Cosmos.

In whatever way feels appropriate for you, you may choose to align
with7.25am (UT) or 7.25am local time energizing a wave of intention
that will surge around the Earth.

Please feel free to circulate the Aquarian chart and its cosmic
invitation to birth the Age of Aquarius.

With love, joy and gratitude in the universal heart,
Jude
Jude Currivan PhD

Aquarius Lyrics



When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars

This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius!
Aquarius!

Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of visions
Mystic crystal revelation
And the mind's true liberation
Aquarius!
Aquarius!

When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars

This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius!
Aquarius!

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrGLf4J33vU&feature=related

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The confusion caused by the bubble diagram.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
>  wrote:
> >
> > as is common knowledge to anyone who practices TM,
> > the Maharishi was insistent that he wasn't bringing
> > out -anything new-. his was a revival of simple
> > practical knowledge that had been lost. he stated 
> > this so many times, i was sure even those who
> > haven't practiced TM in decades like yourself would
> > have known that.
> > 
> MMY asserted that tm and other techniques came from
> "a 5000 yr old tradition, but the tmo credits MMY
> with numerous new "cognitions" and interpretations
> of the veda, or in some cases, repackaging the concept
> so creatively as to be considered new.

But what he always claimed to be was a back-to-basics
reformer, i.e., restoring the correct original
interpretations after millennia of misunderstanding.

That he claimed to have come up with "new cognitions"
or creative packaging do not contradict the notion that
his primary teaching came from a 5,000-year-old tradition
(whether you believe his claims or not).

[FairfieldLife] 60,000,000 geniuses (Re: Greedy Bastards Whine Over Obama's Pay Cap)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:

> > On the first lap around the field, I noticed many
> > black crows have decided to hang around the southern
> > part of the field.  The crows were dark and sinister,
> > although from another angle their feathers would have
> > a purple sheen on them.
> 
> John, the crows were NOT "dark and sinister."
> 
> THEY WERE JUST BIRDS.

Not, of course, mutually exclusive.

> You *perceived* them as "dark and sinister." That
> you do not understand this is the very issue I dealt
> with in my original set of questions to you.

Clearly he *does* understand this. As he noted (and
you ignored), he also saw them, from another
perspective, to have a purple sheen.

> > Similarly, I find that your concerns have negative hue
> > to them.  
> 
> Again, that is your *perception* about my "concerns."
> NOT the reality of it. That you cannot tell the 
> difference between your perceptions and beliefs
> and reality IS my "concern."

The words "I find" indicate clearly that John knows it's
his perception; and "Similarly" with reference to the
crows indicates he knows "dark and sinister" was his
perception as well.


> > > I don't. Do tell. I'm curious. What DO you 
> > > see as "the end of all things?"
> > 
> > Like the crows, you question from the point of
> > disbelief.  You failed to understand that the
> > answers were already provided to you by your
> > teachers, parents, and gurus--including MMY.  
> 
> FINALLY a straight answer!!!
> 
> That is *exactly* what I was hoping to get you
> to admit -- that the things you believe are 
> "answers" were PROVIDED TO YOU by your "teachers,
> parents, and gurus--including MMY."

Remember this list; it'll become relevant a little
later on.

> You believe what you believe because of an "appeal
> to authority," John. THAT is the bottom line I was
> trying to get you to accept about your life, and
> your stance about life. I doubt you recognized it
> when you wrote it, but I'm pointing it out now in
> hopes that you might this time.

Again Barry makes the mistake of assuming that if
authorities have said something, therefore anyone
who believes what they have said believes it *only*
because they said it.

> > Why do you ask me this question now?  If you don't
> > know it by now, I don't want to waste my time
> > explaining it to you.
> 
> As if your answer -- as you have just admitted, being
> nothing more than parroting something that was "provided
> to you" by someone you consider an authority -- would
> "explain" things to me.  :-)

He "admitted" no such thing. It's only Barry's *assumption*.
Yet Barry is quite certain of it.


> It can, but are those "classifications" meaningful
> or accurate in any way? I do not believe that they
> are. You seem to, and you have already admitted WHY.
> You believe this because "answers" were "provided to
> you" by MMY.

Go back and look at the list of authorities John
cited, and Barry's acknowledgment thereof. From here
on, when Barry refers to John's original statement,
he'll "abbreviate" the list to just MMY, omitting
teachers and parents and other gurus.


> > No one is imposing anybody's will on anybody. Its
> > a matter of sharing the work to function in a
> > civilized society.  Whether you like it or not,
> > this varna system is functioning in any of the 
> > world cultures today.  
> 
> Name one. Even one.

U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Sweden, China--as John
says, "any of the world cultures today."


> > > > CEO jobs are executive jobs, as in kshatriya class
> > > > positions. These are not intellectual or brahmin
> > > > type positions.
> > > 
> > > Says who?
> > 
> > By definition, that's who. 
> 
> By YOUR definition, the one that was "provided to
> you" by MMY.

Just MMY, please note. No parents, teachers, or other
gurus, according to Barry.

And of course "by definition" is perfectly accurate;
it's a statement of fact, not of opinion: this is
how the varna system defines such positions. Has
nothing to do with MMY in particular.


> > > My rant was aimed at a larger audience than you,
> > > John. In this paragraph I was speaking to those
> > > in the past who either believe that a high IQ 
> > > "qualifies" people for positions or who have 
> > > lauded the "Do nothing and accomplish everything" 
> > > ethos of the TM movement. And to those who seem 
> > > intent on proving the truth of that ethos by 
> > > doing nothing.
> > 
> > There's a deeper meaning as to what MMY meant by that phrase.  
> > If you don't know by now, why bother discussing it.
> 
> Why indeed? For you, the only reason to discuss things
> seems to be to get others to accept the "answers" that
> were "provided to them" by MMY.

Yet it was Barry who quoted MMY here, attributing
a meaning to what he said that MMY did not intend. He
tries to use that unintended meaning to make his point,
then complains when John correctly disputes it.
 
> > > Life IS slav

[FairfieldLife] Grist for the Rumor Mill

[Rick Archer]

>From a friend:

hey rick,

heard from a pretty good source that bevan is retiring due to health  
reasons and that raja bob of v.c. along with hagelin has diabetes.   
heard anything like this?

[FairfieldLife] Re:Chris Wallace at FOX News grills Obama

[menkemeyer]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jan-Åke Ingvar Jönsson 
 wrote:
>
> 
> Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor:
> www.davidicke.com/obama
> 
> Obama-lies, which Obama did you vote for?:
> http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=5630
> 
> The Obama Deception:
> http://www.obamadeception.net/
>   

Great, Obama did what Bush didn't do for four years...admitt to a 
mistake. even after WMD etc. he was asked years into his term and he 
himed and hawed and could't come up with a single mistake. IT'S 
REFRESHING TO HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT WILL ADMITT A MISTAKE, BIG 
DIFFERENCE FROM THE BUSH DARK AGES.

P.S.  FOX NEWS SUCKS AND THE BIGGEST DRAG TO THE TRUTH THERE EVER HAS 
BEEN IN AMERICA !
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The confusion caused by the bubble diagram.

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives"  wrote:
>
> The bubble diagram was an intriguing way to conceptualize what was
> going on in meditation for me for years.  Now, however, I find it to
> be major mental maya.  The whole concept that you need to "go"
> somewhere to experience transcendence, not just away from sensory
> experience with eyes closed etc, not just away from corporal
> experience with cessation of breathing etc., but also to "go deeper"
> inside the mind or down into the ocean consciousness -- I experience
> all that to be a false and distracting concept.  The only place I
> think you go to in the mind is to another place in the mind.  

That's why analogies will always be just that, but make good teaching
tools. Actually, I agree with you, you don't go anywhere you just drop
the mental fluctuations (vrittis) in the chitta or (feeling),
consciousness is already there. 
 
> The bubble diagram makes it sound better to go deeper down, but that's
> just imagery.  The feeling of mental relaxation going on has its
> benefits, but it's not necessarily in the "direction" of
> transcendence, anymore than anything else the minds does.  After I
> started practices such as chigong and tai chi, my teachers often had
> to stop me from "going away" inside whenever I began to feel more in
> the present, more integrated.  What I've learned is that "going away"
> bubble style to "deeper levels" while experiencing this present
> moment, no thought, unified awareness was actually limiting my
> spiritual development, keeping it from becoming fully integrated, esp
> in body/emotions.  OF course this gets us to another tmo classic, the
> dyeing the cloth analogy, which I also think is useful for the mind to
> have when beginning meditation, but which I now find counterproductive
> - either you experience transcendence as it naturally permeates all
> experience, including in an integrated manner with your
> body/emotion/thoughts, or you're not integrating it.
> 
> (will try to post more on this later)
>

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "metoostill"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> > > 
> > > I think this yogic identification theory is totally bogus.  
> > > It is a made-up problem. I am not identified with any object 
> > > of perception. I can be passionate about some things, but 
> > > trying to paint that as some kind nonspiritual way to live 
> > > seems so contrived.  
> 
> I was getting ready to go out for pre-Carnivale
> celebrations last night, and didn't have time to
> reply then, so I'll do my "me too's" now, and add
> them to metoostill's. :-)
> 
> I thought that this short post just *nailed* it.
> And the phrase that was most relevant to FFL and
> the ongoing debates here was "It worked on me 
> when I was a LOT younger." Seems to me that there
> are a lot of people here who are trying to hang on
> to the certainty about things that was sold them
> in their youth.
> 
> Like you, Curtis, I don't find identification to
> be an issue of any kind. I'm sitting in a cafe, and
> a beautiful woman walks by. I look up. I look at her.
> I *appreciate* the beauty. It does not inspire lust
> in me (I'm too old to be locked into that rut any
> more); it just inspires a love of beauty. I think,
> "Wow. Now *that* is a beautiful woman." She walks
> on. So does thinking about her. Out of sight, out
> of mind. No identification, no problem. 
> 
> In my honest opinion, those who perceive one in that
> interaction are doing so based on an intellectual
> interpretation *about* identification that they were
> taught in their youth, and which they have never been
> able to outgrow. They are also doing this based on a
> distrust of anything in the [said with disgust]
> *relative*, something that was *also* taught to them
> in their youth by someone who *felt* disgust for any-
> thing in the relative. So much so that the worst thing
> he could imagine was to be reborn and have to deal with
> the relative again in a future life.
> 
> > > The whole premise of yoga that we are somehow not OK right 
> > > now and need to be fixed, that the fundamental way that we 
> > > are inside is "wrong" and unenlightened, ""the mistake of 
> > > the intellect", seems to be a manufactured problem meant to 
> > > enslave people who are not confident about themselves.  
> 
> It's the Hindu counterpart of Catholic "sin" and the 
> notion that man is "fallen." I don't buy it. 
> 
> > > It worked on me when I was a LOT younger. 
> 
> To this wonderful line I can only add a visual, found
> on Digg entitled "When life teaches you nothing."
> 
> http://i43.tinypic.com/2rg1c9v.jpg
> 
> > > And the threat of living on earth again as something to escape? 
> > > Being damned to live again?  We should be so lucky. 
> 
> Exactly. How can anyone in their right mind NOT
> understand that their FEAR OF REBIRTH 
> was *taught* to them by someone who feared it? 
> Maharishi did not LIKE the relative world. He spent
> his entire life trying to CHANGE it, to make
> it look more like the fantasies in his head. You
> know, the ones where everything is golden and the
> world is run by benevolent kings and the peons
> do as they're told and none of the Brahmins have
> to work for a living and multicolored soma popsicles
> grow on trees. The world he saw around him wasn't
> *enough* for him to love and appreciate. Not only
> didn't he like it much and dedicate his life to
> trying to change it, he taught millions of gullible
> youths to fear the world as much as he did, and to 
> have as much fear of being reborn and having to do
> it again as he did.
> 
> Rebirth is seen as a *perk* by most people. That is
> exactly why skeptics look down on it as a fantasy.
> They believe that life *ends* at death -- game over
> -- and you get no more shot at living. And so they
> look at those who believe in reincarnation as silly
> dreamers.
> 
> And so what did Maharishi Mahesh Yogi do with the
> idea of reincarnation? He took the (possibly) silly
> dream and turned it into a nightmare: "We are opposed
> to reincarnation." He taught gullible people in their
> youth that reincarnating was a Bad Thing, not a Good
> Thing the way it is to anyone who finds life lovely.
> 
> > > Who is having such a sucky life that you wouldn't jump at 
> > > the chance for another one?  
> 
> This is another great point in your post, Curtis.
> It has to do with something I talked about last week,
> why I find the "Life is suffering" and "take refuge"
> notions of Buddhism offensive, and why they don't 
> appeal to me. 
> 
> The reason is that they're so OLD. They come from a 
> time in which life pretty much WAS suffering, pretty
> much by definition. Short life spans, disease every-
> where, everyone you knew dying all around you, being
> born into poverty in India because of your caste, that
> sorta thing. So OF COURSE basing a spiritual tradition
> on *appealing* to people

[FairfieldLife] Skillful Non-Means (a rap about synchronicity)

[TurquoiseB]

Buddhism likes to talk about "skillful means"
(upaya), behaviors that move toward or bring 
you up to something (i.e., a goal). This eve-
ning, watching a real scorcher of a sunset
from the patio of my favorite seaside bar
as part of my ongoing sadhana as a Buckaroo 
Banzai Buddhist, I'm finding myself pondering 
the opposite, "skillful non-means."

The Rama fellow I studied with for some time
was big on "non." We'd have Non-Poem evenings.
We were supposed to write a poem and read it
aloud in front of several hundred people, while 
a photo we'd taken was displayed on the screen 
behind us. Sound like fun? Well, to some, it
didn't. It sounded like horror. As an ex English 
professor, Rama was aware of this reaction, and
that many people have inner angst and traumas 
that they associate with writing poetry, much 
less reciting it aloud. So to alleviate this, 
we never had to write poems or read them aloud. 
Instead, we wrote and read aloud our non-poems. 

It seemed to make things easier, and as such was 
in itself a kind of skillful means. For those 
interested in the concept, here's a link to a 
story I wrote once about the Non-Poem evenings:

http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/rtm49.html

But today I found myself sitting here watching
a scorcher of a sunset, listening to music on
headphones, and thinking about those non-poems, 
and that particular form of "not doing." And 
what I find myself thinking about is whether 
one could take this idea of "not doing" and 
apply it to meditation? 

No, not the effortlessness thing during 
meditation. That's been done to death. :-)

I'm speculating more about "not doing" the
thing outside of meditation where we examine 
it and what it "means." 

Say we might normally say something like, 
"I had a clear experience of transcending. 
That means that What Really Happened was that 
I connected with and merged with the home of
all the Laws Of Nature. To do this is beneficial
for me in that every time I do it it brings
me closer to enlightenment, which is the
highest goal that a human being can aspire
to in life. It is also beneficial to the 
world at large, because every time I come 
in contact with this home of all the Laws Of 
Nature, that enlivens these Laws and makes
them more powerful, and thus enhances the 
nature of Nature itself."

Instead, one could practice skillful non-
means and say something like, "I had a clear 
experience of transcending. Cool." 

See how much easier to say that is than the
first version? Which one, when you say them 
both aloud, makes you feel better about the
experience? YMMV, but I kinda prefer the 
feeling I get from the second one. 

Skillful non-means (TM). 

Available at your local Buckarai Banzai 
Buddhism wine bar and pharmacy.

:-)

This whole rap, BTW, was inspired by getting 
just now in email the URL to a web page on 
which some friends have put up my latest 
attempt at one of these silly non-poems I 
mentioned earlier:

http://ramalila.net/Adventures/ZenArts/NonPoems/ut-satoriSitges.htm

This non-poem is another example of skillful 
non-means. I honestly think that stopping to 
analyze what that moment "meant" would have 
made it less of a cool moment. There was no 
moving towards or growing closer to something 
(i.e., a goal), so it wasn't "skillful means." 
There was only the moment. It didn't "mean" 
shit. It just was. And that was enough. 
Skillful non-means (TM).

If you want a fun thing to do, try reading 
it while listening to the song The End Of 
All Rivers at:

http://truenorthrecords.com/Albums.php?album_id=536

That's the song I was listening to on headphones
when I wrote the non-poem, and the one I was 
listening to when I got the URL in the mail
just now, and clicked on it. Synchronicity, 
dudes. Or skillful non-means (TM). Whatever. 

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" 
wrote:
>
> Beautiful post...yours and Curtis's. Put into words thoughts 
> I've had ever since leaving the TMO. And, as you well know 
> Barry, life since then has been utterly amazing. 6 years ago 
> I contracted endocarditis (infection of the mitral valve in 
> the heart) from, of all things, a dental procedure. I came 
> very close to cashing in. As I was sitting on the cold slab 
> in the operating room waiting for the sedation to start, I 
> had the overwhelming thought "wow.what an incredible 
> ride! I wouldn't change a thing!" 

I had the exact same experience while waiting
for the results of cancer scan. Cool realization.

> And you know, that includes TM and my time with MMY. When I 
> see fanatics of any kind, especially religious fanatics.
> I have an insight into their mind set that one can only get 
> from having been there.

Me, too. As Tallulah Bankhead said, "If I had to 
live my life again, I'd make the same mistakes, 
only sooner."

> (Switch gears) Saw Vicky Christina Barcelona yesterday (as 
> usual, I'm late with movies.) Most of it takes place right 
> near your current 'hood Barry. I loved the movieespecially 
> when it became clear that Vicky was Woody Allen in drag, at 
> least in the first half of the film. What did you think of it?

I liked it. Beautiful Barcelona eye candy, and
there was some pretty babalicious not-in-drag 
eye candy as well. :-) 

To be honest, the only fault I can find with 
the film was intentional on Woody's part, so I 
can't really fault him on his execution, only 
his vision of love compared to mine. 

None of the people really changed. There was no
character arc. No one learned a thing from any
of it. I guess in a Zen way, that's cool. But
in a way it reminded me of this graphic I found
on Digg, under the caption "When life teaches 
you nothing."

http://i43.tinypic.com/2rg1c9v.jpg 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The confusion caused by the bubble diagram.

[metoostill]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:
>
> thanks for bringing this up-- something which i have been thinking 
> about as well lately. i think the beauty and power of the bubble 
> diagram is that it suddenly made consciousness comprehensible in a 
> simple and elegant way that hadn't been seen before. like so much of 
> what he brought out, the Maharishi transformed the way the western 
> world thinks about...

Sorry, but I tripped over that one.  I learned a lot from Maharishi many years 
ago and at 
times have revered him greatly but it would require considerable myopia to 
think that 
Maharishi has "transformed the way the western world thinks about..."  His 
influence, 
whether his ideas were profound or not, while perhaps greater than your average 
rock 
band, was nothing on the order of transformational to the western world's 
thinking.  As 
you more accurately state later "based on my own experience i'd say".  Yes he 
has 
transformed your thinking, and lets grant that in some ways for the better.  
But in some 
ways observation tells us not so.  The ease with which his most ardent admirers 
slip into 
that disproportionate image of self and group cannot be missed when looking at 
his 
legacy.  That perspective is endemic among his followers and has been cultured 
by design.

The stream of discourse on this site can sometimes fail on civility and email 
can miss the 
nuance of considerate human communication, so for the avoidance of doubt I will 
add that 
I'm sure you mean well and that I appreciate your taking the time to put down 
your 
thoughts.

> thought, action and the link between the two. 
> when the Maharishi began using the bubble diagram to explain the 
> process of transcending thought, this was a radical and unknown 
> concept. and to tie this simple yet radical view of consciousness 
> and transcending to a technique whereby anyone could enjoy and 
> explore this process on their own, examining the very mechanics of 
> consciousness, was completely unheard of.
> 
> based on my own experience i'd say you are correct when you say that 
> aside from some early experiences tip toeing through the sleeping 
> elephants, it takes years to reliably and regularly reach the source 
> of thought, even using the mechanical and reliable mechanicm of TM. 
> however not so for younger people i know who meditate. they seem to 
> dive more deeply from the beginning. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
> >
> Most TM'ers think they are actually transcending to Pure 
> Consciousness (i.e. Brahman or unmanifest Being), in the daily 2X20 
> meditation 
> they practice. Nothing could be further from the truth! The 
> illustration of the thought bubble ...
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong...please!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Grist for the Rumor Mill

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From a friend:
> 
> hey rick,
> 
> heard from a pretty good source that bevan is retiring due to health  
> reasons and that raja bob of v.c. along with hagelin has diabetes.   
> heard anything like this?
>

I'm sure they're all just experiencing some "roughness of awareness" Rick!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Age of Aquarius

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> 
>  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrGLf4J33vU&feature=related
> 
> Remember Hair? Well.. now we have a date, February 14th,2009.
> The moon will be in the 7th house. Jupiter will align with Mars.
> Which, if we old hippies are right, will mean.. peace WILL guide the
> planets and love WILL steer the stars. Finally, this IS the dawning of
> the age of Aquarius!
> 
> In mid February a rare astrological concentration brings together a
> number of planets together
> with the North Node - denoting higher purpose - in Aquarius that
> energizes and inspires the possibility for transcendental breakthrough
> in some perhaps seemingly intransigent situations.
> We measure our global sense of both space (latitude and longitude) and
> time (universal time - UT or GMT) from the prime meridian located at
> Greenwich, England. So we can perceive the collective influence of
> this momentous astrological event by looking at the alignment from
> this globally 'centered' perspective.
> 
> When we do something extraordinary and exquisite emerges. At dawn on
> 14th February the
> day dedicated to St Valentine, the patron saint of Love, the Moon in
> Libra enters the seventh house of relationships. And Jupiter and
> Marsare aligned in Aquarius in the twelfth house of spiritual
> transformation .Forty years ago, the intuitive words of a song called
> Aquarius, brought the dawning of the new age into our collective
> awareness:
> 
> When the Moon is in the seventh house
> 
> and Jupiter aligns with Mars.
> 
> Then love will rule the planets
> 
> and peace will steer the stars
> 
> At dawn on 14th
> 
> February the Cosmos actually embodies this perfect alignment to
> support our collective manifestation of love and peace and dawning of
> the Age of Aquarius.
> 
> The Aquarian chart of 14th
> 
> February reveals an incredible concentration of cosmic influences
> blending with the energies of Aquarius in the twelfth house. Expansive
> Jupiter and energetic Mars are aligned with the higher purpose of the
> North Node. The presence of Chiron the wounded healer offers us the
> opportunity to heal the schisms that have separated us for so long.
> Neptune emphasizes collective humanitarian movements and the
> co-creation of social justice. And the presence of the radiant Sun
> enlightens the entire alignment.
> 
> Mercury also in the twelfth house but just beyond the cusp in
> Capricorn, allies with
> transformational Pluto to communicate and anchor the Shift
> throughoutour global structures and institutions.
> 
> The Moon in Libra in the seventh house emphasizes harmonious real
> -ationships.
> 
> Venus in Aries in the first house energizes and empowers dynamic
> co-creativity.
> 
> And whilst Saturn the great task master in opposition to Uranus the
> unexpected awakener is
> suggesting an ongoing confrontation as the dregs of the unsustainable
> old paradigm reluctantly give way to the untested hope of the new,
> their placements in Virgo and Pisces brings practical altruism and
> visionary inspiration to the transition.
> 
> At 7.25am on 14th
> February - and for the 18 minutes of the alignment, I invite you, in
> the universal heart, to add your own intention for love and peace and
> to co-create the dawning of the Age of Aquarius to that of the Cosmos.
> 
> In whatever way feels appropriate for you, you may choose to align
> with7.25am (UT) or 7.25am local time energizing a wave of intention
> that will surge around the Earth.
> 
> Please feel free to circulate the Aquarian chart and its cosmic
> invitation to birth the Age of Aquarius.
> 
> With love, joy and gratitude in the universal heart,
> Jude
> Jude Currivan PhD
> 
> Aquarius Lyrics
> 
> 
> 
> When the moon is in the Seventh House
> And Jupiter aligns with Mars
> Then peace will guide the planets
> And love will steer the stars
> 
> This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
> The age of Aquarius
> Aquarius!
> Aquarius!
> 
> Harmony and understanding
> Sympathy and trust abounding
> No more falsehoods or derisions
> Golden living dreams of visions
> Mystic crystal revelation
> And the mind's true liberation
> Aquarius!
> Aquarius!
> 
> When the moon is in the Seventh House
> And Jupiter aligns with Mars
> Then peace will guide the planets
> And love will steer the stars
> 
> This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
> The age of Aquarius
> Aquarius!
> Aquarius!
> 
>  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrGLf4J33vU&feature=related

Fascinating...let's hope it's true and not just a drug induced
fantasy!  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Age of Aquarius

[TurquoiseB]

Somewhere in this world, there may exist a copy
of the original release of the Fifth Dimension's
album on which this song first appeared (other
than on Broadway) which is strangely autographed.

I was in a shopping mall in San Bernardino, CA,
the straighter, more conservative town near River-
side, where I was going to college. This was an
adventure only in that at the time I had long 
hair, and the gentle people of San Bernardino
had not seen that much of it on men yet. Mine
hung down past my shoulders in what I realize
in retrospect was an unruly, unattractive mess,
but whatever. It was the 60s.

So I'm in this record store, probably buying the
latest Dylan or Stones record, when this giggling 
group of teenagers walked up to me. They were 
carrying this album. As I wondered what they 
wanted with me, one of them said to another, 
"Go ahead, ask him. He's a real one." 

I said, "Ask me what? One of the girls said, 
"Well, we like this album and we've heard about
hippies, but look at the guys on the cover. They
are wearing suits and have short hair. One of
them is bald."

I said, "And?" She said, indignant, "Well, they're 
not really hippies, are they?"

"I guess not," said I. The girl then said, "So
we were wondering if you'd sign the album for
us, so we can tell our friends that we met a
real hippie."

I was charmed. So I took the pen that one of
them handed me and signed it:

Sincerely,

A. Hippie

Still makes me laugh thinking about it.

Always hated the song.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
>  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrGLf4J33vU&feature=related
> 
> Remember Hair? Well.. now we have a date, February 14th,2009.
> The moon will be in the 7th house. Jupiter will align with Mars.
> Which, if we old hippies are right, will mean.. peace WILL guide the
> planets and love WILL steer the stars. Finally, this IS the dawning 
> of the age of Aquarius!
> 
> In mid February a rare astrological concentration brings together a
> number of planets together
> with the North Node - denoting higher purpose - in Aquarius that
> energizes and inspires the possibility for transcendental breakthrough
> in some perhaps seemingly intransigent situations.
> We measure our global sense of both space (latitude and longitude) and
> time (universal time - UT or GMT) from the prime meridian located at
> Greenwich, England. So we can perceive the collective influence of
> this momentous astrological event by looking at the alignment from
> this globally 'centered' perspective.
> 
> When we do something extraordinary and exquisite emerges. At dawn on
> 14th February the
> day dedicated to St Valentine, the patron saint of Love, the Moon in
> Libra enters the seventh house of relationships. And Jupiter and
> Marsare aligned in Aquarius in the twelfth house of spiritual
> transformation .Forty years ago, the intuitive words of a song called
> Aquarius, brought the dawning of the new age into our collective
> awareness:
> 
> When the Moon is in the seventh house
> 
> and Jupiter aligns with Mars.
> 
> Then love will rule the planets
> 
> and peace will steer the stars
> 
> At dawn on 14th
> 
> February the Cosmos actually embodies this perfect alignment to
> support our collective manifestation of love and peace and dawning of
> the Age of Aquarius.
> 
> The Aquarian chart of 14th
> 
> February reveals an incredible concentration of cosmic influences
> blending with the energies of Aquarius in the twelfth house. Expansive
> Jupiter and energetic Mars are aligned with the higher purpose of the
> North Node. The presence of Chiron the wounded healer offers us the
> opportunity to heal the schisms that have separated us for so long.
> Neptune emphasizes collective humanitarian movements and the
> co-creation of social justice. And the presence of the radiant Sun
> enlightens the entire alignment.
> 
> Mercury also in the twelfth house but just beyond the cusp in
> Capricorn, allies with
> transformational Pluto to communicate and anchor the Shift
> throughoutour global structures and institutions.
> 
> The Moon in Libra in the seventh house emphasizes harmonious real
> -ationships.
> 
> Venus in Aries in the first house energizes and empowers dynamic
> co-creativity.
> 
> And whilst Saturn the great task master in opposition to Uranus the
> unexpected awakener is
> suggesting an ongoing confrontation as the dregs of the unsustainable
> old paradigm reluctantly give way to the untested hope of the new,
> their placements in Virgo and Pisces brings practical altruism and
> visionary inspiration to the transition.
> 
> At 7.25am on 14th
> February - and for the 18 minutes of the alignment, I invite you, in
> the universal heart, to add your own intention for love and peace and
> to co-create the dawning of the Age of Aquarius to that of the Cosmos.
> 
> In whatever way feels appropriate for you, you may choose to align
> with7.25am (UT) or 7

[FairfieldLife] Bottom Line> Problem-Reaction-Solution =More Control

[Arhata Osho]

February 08, 2009






Ouch! “Largely a Joyless Society” with an “Illusory Stimulus Package”

The Much Deeper Meanings Of Wall Street’s Wild Ride

By Louis Rene’ Beres, Professor of International Law, Purdue University

Special to The Jewish Press, January 23, 2009   

In figuring out the core weaknesses of our troubled financial
markets, there is far more than meets the eye. On the surface, Wall
Street’s seemingly interminable wild ride is the obvious outcome of
purely economic factors. Yet, at a deeper level, the problem of market
weakness and volatility is not really fiscal, but human. Sure, the
interrelated banking and housing and credit crises have played havoc
with securities, but these crises are themselves epiphenominal. That
is, they are a mere reflection of something “underneath” and much more
fundamental.

At its heart, the ups and downs of Wall Street are the product of
largely engineered and distorted human needs. As Americans, we are what
we buy. Our status and self-worth correspond closely with what we own.
This palpable celebration of inauthenticity and hyper-consumption is an
incessant message received by everyone - again and again, day after
day. More than anything else, it has created our broken economy. This
economy, like the fragmented society from which it has plainly sprung,
lacks any firm foundation. It is built upon sand.

Surely, this is not what we hear from the “experts.” It is not their
task to go beyond hard economics to soft psychology. But, if we should
look more closely, it will become clear that we may have as much to
learn about core market crises from Adam Smith and Karl Marx. So long
as we Americans accept expanding debt and a decidedly negative savings
rate as the price of appearing successful to others, all government
stimulus packages will be utterly beside the point.

Soon we Americans shall have to get a handle on the unceasing public
need for more and more things, for tangible goods that can seemingly
validate us as individuals. Wall Street’s wild ride will never slow
down meaningfully with the arrival of more money to spread around in
stores. And, even if we could actually fix core market problems by
expanding consumption, exactly what sort of society would we be
encouraging? 

Ralph Waldo Emerson once spoke of self-reliance. He understood that
a foolish “reliance upon property” was the result of “a want of
self-reliance.” Today, living amid a humiliating barrage of advertising
jingles, delirious collectivism and relentless imitation, the
individual American desperately wants to project a “correct” image.

The demeaning consumer message of our American mass society is
everywhere, even in the universities here, for the part, mimicry and
repetition define “excellence.” Today almost all higher education is
vocational. We generally graduate newly minted PhDs, MDs, JDs and MBA’s
who know almost nothing but how to progress in their own fields. They
may turn out to be perfectly good teachers, doctors, lawyers and
accountants but they are nonetheless trained not educated.

Do we want a genuinely robust economy and a stable stock market?
Then we must first re-orient our society from its cheapened ambience of
mass taste to a more cultivated environment of thought and feeling.
There is great beauty in the World, but it is best not to search for it
at the bank, the video store or the shopping mall.

Even in that very large segment of Main Street that still knows
little of Wall Street, there is deepening anxiety and considerable
unhappiness. Taught that respect and success lien high salaries and
corollary patterns of consumption, the American public dutifully
worships the commonplace. Why should it be otherwise? Galvanized by
mostly patronizing and vulgar entertainments this lonely American crowd
thoughtlessly follows a flamboyant but impotent ringmaster. However
well-intentioned and capable our newly elected president, he can never
save us from ourselves.

Wall Street remains a thoroughly corrupted product of mass society.
This mutually destructive dependence between Wall Street and Main
Street can never bring us any success. Soon we must create conditions
whereby each of us can feel important and alive without surrendering to
manufactured images of power and status. Without such conditions,
millions of Americans will continue to seek comfort in crime,
mind-numbing music, mountains of drugs and oceans of alcohol. 

Despite all the noise, we are now a largely joyless society that
finds little or no authentic meaning within. This plainly human problem
of a socially crushed individualism must be understood before we can
fix what is actually wrong with Wall Street. It may seem re-assuring to
count on the next, “stimulus package,” but the real benefits will be
altogether illusory.

LOUIS RENÉ BERES was educated at Princeton (Ph.D., Politics,
1971) and is Professor of International Law, Department of Politic

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[Vaj]

On Feb 7, 2009, at 3:34 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:


I think this yogic identification theory is totally bogus.  It is a
made-up problem.  I am not identified with any object of perception.
I can be passionate about some things, but trying to paint that as
some kind nonspiritual way to live seems so contrived.




Look at it this way: if you were no longer identifying with your body,  
you'd either be constantly dissociating or, you'd be dead.


Identification is required to live a normal life. What's not required  
to learn how to disassemble our identification, i.e. yoga.


Do you really believe that you don't identify with he body you inhabit  
or the instrument you pick up every day and play or the sounds that  
come out of it?



Sorry for the delay, it takes me a while to catch up on emails. :-)

[FairfieldLife] 'For Mother Divine & Valentine'

[Robert]

'A Mask of Light by R.Gimbel
 
 
She became calm, 
Like a cool breeze, on a hot summer's day...
After years of changing herself, to fit the season, 
She now rested.
Her death mask was as beautiful as a young girl.
Her face shone a light, that was beyond the physical.
The golden dust sparkels in the Sun.
She is Calm She Loves for Love's Sake,
Everything and Everyone.
She is Calm.



  

[FairfieldLife] So what does it mean if you're a Valentine's baby

[I am the eternal]

A good friend of mine is a Valentine's baby.  Which means she'll be
celebrating the dawning of the Age of Aquarius on her birthday.  Does
that mean anything special about her (besides her already being very
special), besides being able to get a free breakfast at Denny's on her
birthday?

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 7, 2009, at 3:34 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> 
> > I think this yogic identification theory is totally bogus.  It is a
> > made-up problem.  I am not identified with any object of perception.
> > I can be passionate about some things, but trying to paint that as
> > some kind nonspiritual way to live seems so contrived.
> 
> 
> 
> Look at it this way: if you were no longer identifying with your body,  
> you'd either be constantly dissociating or, you'd be dead.
> 
> Identification is required to live a normal life. What's not required  
> to learn how to disassemble our identification, i.e. yoga.
> 
> Do you really believe that you don't identify with he body you inhabit  
> or the instrument you pick up every day and play or the sounds that  
> come out of it?

I'm glad you weighed in Vaj.  I guess the word "identify" doesn't have
much meaning for me in this context.  I feel my body and flow my
feelings through my instruments when I play them.  But saying that
this is an "identification" doesn't register.  I am closer to my body
than my guitar and it is certainly more a part of my sense of my
complete self.  Although I understand the conceptual usefulness of the
body mind distinction, that is not usually how I experience the
package deal of being human.

My point was that the idea that someone else have a superior way of
organizing their internal sense of self, has lost its appeal.  I don't
see any evidence for this claim.  I believe that some people have more
or less intelligence, or have a better ability to express and even
feel their emotional capacity.  But the whole idea that somehow we are
identifying with the objects of perception, which lies at the core or
Maharishi's assumptions about "ignorance", doesn't ring true to me.  I
think he is describing a severe mental deficiency.

I just did a show for the kids who can't be in the school system due
to emotional or mental problems and some of them might have this
problem of identifying with an object of perception.  But I am not
broken in this way and need no fixing.

I probably missed you point but would be interested in any more
thoughts you have about the value of cultivating a different style of
internal functioning.  




> 
> 
> Sorry for the delay, it takes me a while to catch up on emails. :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[enlightened_dawn11]

so like when you go to like Bruce Cockburn concerts, do you like 
bring a pair of extra boxers, and like, scream, Brce!!" and 
like, toss your boxers at the stage?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > Curtis is assuming of course, his next life will be at least 
> > > as good as his current non-sucky life.
> > 
> > I am assuming that this is my one and only life and that the 
> > story of reincarnation is a fairy tale like salvation.
> > 
> > > What if his next life IS sucky? Really sucky. He should know 
> > > that having this life is a lucky opportunity
> 
> Raunch, I'm pretty sure that Curtis is more
> aware of that than most. So is Bruce Cockburn,
> in the song that opens the album I posted a
> link to today. You might like it. It's all
> about how having this life is a lucky
> opportunity:
> 
> World Of Wonders
> June 1985, Toronto, Canada
> 
> Stand on a bridge before the cavern of night
> Darkness alive with possibility
> Nose to this wind full of twinkling lights
> Trying to catch the scent of what's coming to be 
> In this world of wonders
> 
> Somewhere a saxophone slides through changes
> Like a wet pipe dripping down my neck
> Gives me a chill -- sounds like danger
> But I can't stop moving till I cross this sector 
> Of this world of wonders
> 
> There's a rainbow shining in a bead of spittle
> Falling diamonds in rattling rain
> Light flexed on moving muscle
> I stand here dazzled with my heart in flames 
> At this world of wonders
> 
> Moment of peace like brief arctic bloom
> Red/gold ripple of the sun going down
> Line of black hills makes my bed
> Sky full of love pulled over my head
> World of wonders
> 
> http://truenorthrecords.com/Albums.php?album_id=536
> 
> ( first cut after the introductory applause )
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Grist for the Rumor Mill

[wayback71]

Who would be he next tier of leaders of the TMO?  Are there any people in their 
40's who 
might take over leadership roles?

I hear that there is a great deal of hope that the DLF and Paul McCartney 
concert at Radio 
City Music Hall this April will change things in the US re TM.  If not, I think 
things will fall 
apart.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From a friend:
> > 
> > hey rick,
> > 
> > heard from a pretty good source that bevan is retiring due to health  
> > reasons and that raja bob of v.c. along with hagelin has diabetes.   
> > heard anything like this?
> >
> 
> I'm sure they're all just experiencing some "roughness of awareness" Rick!
>

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
 wrote:
>
> so like when you go to like Bruce Cockburn concerts, do you like 
> bring a pair of extra boxers, and like, scream, Brce!!" 
> and like, toss your boxers at the stage?

At least I'm not on record as liking The 
Backstreet Boys. How gay is that?  :-)


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Curtis is assuming of course, his next life will be at least 
> > > > as good as his current non-sucky life.
> > > 
> > > I am assuming that this is my one and only life and that the 
> > > story of reincarnation is a fairy tale like salvation.
> > > 
> > > > What if his next life IS sucky? Really sucky. He should know 
> > > > that having this life is a lucky opportunity
> > 
> > Raunch, I'm pretty sure that Curtis is more
> > aware of that than most. So is Bruce Cockburn,
> > in the song that opens the album I posted a
> > link to today. You might like it. It's all
> > about how having this life is a lucky
> > opportunity:
> > 
> > World Of Wonders
> > June 1985, Toronto, Canada
> > 
> > Stand on a bridge before the cavern of night
> > Darkness alive with possibility
> > Nose to this wind full of twinkling lights
> > Trying to catch the scent of what's coming to be 
> > In this world of wonders
> > 
> > Somewhere a saxophone slides through changes
> > Like a wet pipe dripping down my neck
> > Gives me a chill -- sounds like danger
> > But I can't stop moving till I cross this sector 
> > Of this world of wonders
> > 
> > There's a rainbow shining in a bead of spittle
> > Falling diamonds in rattling rain
> > Light flexed on moving muscle
> > I stand here dazzled with my heart in flames 
> > At this world of wonders
> > 
> > Moment of peace like brief arctic bloom
> > Red/gold ripple of the sun going down
> > Line of black hills makes my bed
> > Sky full of love pulled over my head
> > World of wonders
> > 
> > http://truenorthrecords.com/Albums.php?album_id=536
> > 
> > ( first cut after the introductory applause )
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] How the Brain Creates God

[authfriend]

Latest theory, from New Scientist:

...Some of the unique cognitive capacities
that have made us so successful as a species 
also work together to create a tendency for 
supernatural thinking. "There's now a lot of 
evidence that some of the foundations for our 
religious beliefs are hard-wired," says 
Bloom

...How does the brain conjure up gods? One of 
the key factors, says Bloom, is the fact that 
our brains have separate cognitive systems 
for dealing with living things - things with 
minds, or at least volition - and inanimate 
objects

Bloom says the two systems are autonomous, 
leaving us with two viewpoints on the world: 
one that deals with minds, and one that 
handles physical aspects of the world. He 
calls this innate assumption that mind and 
matter are distinct "common-sense 
dualism"

There is plenty of evidence that thinking 
about disembodied minds comes naturally. 
People readily form relationships with non-
existent others: roughly half of all 4-year-
olds have had an imaginary friend, and adults 
often form and maintain relationships with 
dead relatives, fictional characters and 
fantasy partners. As Barrett points out, this 
is an evolutionarily useful skill. Without it 
we would be unable to maintain large social 
hierarchies and alliances or anticipate what 
an unseen enemy might be planning

...Bering considers a belief in some form of
life apart from that experienced in the body 
to be the default setting of the human brain. 
Education and experience teach us to override 
it, but it never truly leaves us, he says. 
>From there it is only a short step to 
conceptualising spirits, dead ancestors and, 
of course, gods, says Pascal Boyer, a 
psychologist at Washington University in St 
Louis, Missouri

The ability to conceive of gods, however, is 
not sufficient to give rise to religion. The 
mind has another essential attribute: an 
overdeveloped sense of cause and effect which 
primes us to see purpose and design 
everywhere, even where there is none. "You 
see bushes rustle, you assume there's 
somebody or something there," Bloom says.

This over-attribution of cause and effect 
probably evolved for survival. If there are 
predators around, it is no good spotting them 
9 times out of 10. Running away when you 
don't have to is a small price to pay for 
avoiding danger when the threat is real

Religion is an inescapable artefact of the 
wiring in our brain, says Bloom. "All humans 
possess the brain circuitry and that never 
goes away." Petrovich adds that even adults 
who describe themselves as atheists and 
agnostics are prone to supernatural thinking. 
Bering has seen this too. When one of his 
students carried out interviews with 
atheists, it became clear that they often 
tacitly attribute purpose to significant or 
traumatic moments in their lives, as if some 
agency were intervening to make it happen. 
"They don't completely exorcise the ghost of 
god - they just muzzle it," Bering says.

Read more:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126941.700-born-believers-how-
your-brain-creates-god.html?full=true

http://tinyurl.com/aqmsnn

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Age of Aquarius

[Bhairitu]

BillyG. wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>   
>>  
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrGLf4J33vU&feature=related
>>
>> Remember Hair? Well.. now we have a date, February 14th,2009.
>> The moon will be in the 7th house. Jupiter will align with Mars.
>> Which, if we old hippies are right, will mean.. peace WILL guide the
>> planets and love WILL steer the stars. Finally, this IS the dawning of
>> the age of Aquarius!
>>
>> In mid February a rare astrological concentration brings together a
>> number of planets together
>> with the North Node - denoting higher purpose - in Aquarius that
>> energizes and inspires the possibility for transcendental breakthrough
>> in some perhaps seemingly intransigent situations.
>> We measure our global sense of both space (latitude and longitude) and
>> time (universal time - UT or GMT) from the prime meridian located at
>> Greenwich, England. So we can perceive the collective influence of
>> this momentous astrological event by looking at the alignment from
>> this globally 'centered' perspective.
>>
>> When we do something extraordinary and exquisite emerges. At dawn on
>> 14th February the
>> day dedicated to St Valentine, the patron saint of Love, the Moon in
>> Libra enters the seventh house of relationships. And Jupiter and
>> Marsare aligned in Aquarius in the twelfth house of spiritual
>> transformation .Forty years ago, the intuitive words of a song called
>> Aquarius, brought the dawning of the new age into our collective
>> awareness:
>>
>> When the Moon is in the seventh house
>>
>> and Jupiter aligns with Mars.
>>
>> Then love will rule the planets
>>
>> and peace will steer the stars
>>
>> At dawn on 14th
>>
>> February the Cosmos actually embodies this perfect alignment to
>> support our collective manifestation of love and peace and dawning of
>> the Age of Aquarius.
>>
>> The Aquarian chart of 14th
>>
>> February reveals an incredible concentration of cosmic influences
>> blending with the energies of Aquarius in the twelfth house. Expansive
>> Jupiter and energetic Mars are aligned with the higher purpose of the
>> North Node. The presence of Chiron the wounded healer offers us the
>> opportunity to heal the schisms that have separated us for so long.
>> Neptune emphasizes collective humanitarian movements and the
>> co-creation of social justice. And the presence of the radiant Sun
>> enlightens the entire alignment.
>>
>> Mercury also in the twelfth house but just beyond the cusp in
>> Capricorn, allies with
>> transformational Pluto to communicate and anchor the Shift
>> throughoutour global structures and institutions.
>>
>> The Moon in Libra in the seventh house emphasizes harmonious real
>> -ationships.
>>
>> Venus in Aries in the first house energizes and empowers dynamic
>> co-creativity.
>>
>> And whilst Saturn the great task master in opposition to Uranus the
>> unexpected awakener is
>> suggesting an ongoing confrontation as the dregs of the unsustainable
>> old paradigm reluctantly give way to the untested hope of the new,
>> their placements in Virgo and Pisces brings practical altruism and
>> visionary inspiration to the transition.
>>
>> At 7.25am on 14th
>> February - and for the 18 minutes of the alignment, I invite you, in
>> the universal heart, to add your own intention for love and peace and
>> to co-create the dawning of the Age of Aquarius to that of the Cosmos.
>>
>> In whatever way feels appropriate for you, you may choose to align
>> with7.25am (UT) or 7.25am local time energizing a wave of intention
>> that will surge around the Earth.
>>
>> Please feel free to circulate the Aquarian chart and its cosmic
>> invitation to birth the Age of Aquarius.
>>
>> With love, joy and gratitude in the universal heart,
>> Jude
>> Jude Currivan PhD
>>
>> Aquarius Lyrics
>>
>>
>>
>> When the moon is in the Seventh House
>> And Jupiter aligns with Mars
>> Then peace will guide the planets
>> And love will steer the stars
>>
>> This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
>> The age of Aquarius
>> Aquarius!
>> Aquarius!
>>
>> Harmony and understanding
>> Sympathy and trust abounding
>> No more falsehoods or derisions
>> Golden living dreams of visions
>> Mystic crystal revelation
>> And the mind's true liberation
>> Aquarius!
>> Aquarius!
>>
>> When the moon is in the Seventh House
>> And Jupiter aligns with Mars
>> Then peace will guide the planets
>> And love will steer the stars
>>
>> This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
>> The age of Aquarius
>> Aquarius!
>> Aquarius!
>>
>>  
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrGLf4J33vU&feature=related
>> 
>
> Fascinating...let's hope it's true and not just a drug induced
> fantasy!  :-)
And of course in the sidereal astrology of Jyotish quite a few years off.

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the Brain Creates God

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Latest theory, from New Scientist:

This is fascinating.

Religion is an inescapable artefact of the
wiring in our brain, says Bloom. "All humans
possess the brain circuitry and that never
goes away." Petrovich adds that even adults
who describe themselves as atheists and
agnostics are prone to supernatural thinking.
Bering has seen this too. When one of his
students carried out interviews with
atheists, it became clear that they often
tacitly attribute purpose to significant or
traumatic moments in their lives, as if some
agency were intervening to make it happen.
"They don't completely exorcise the ghost of
god - they just muzzle it," Bering says.

I can relate to this.  I still have a magical thought process that
pops up sometimes about events.  Then I laugh at myself for my own
conditioning.  




> 
> ...Some of the unique cognitive capacities
> that have made us so successful as a species 
> also work together to create a tendency for 
> supernatural thinking. "There's now a lot of 
> evidence that some of the foundations for our 
> religious beliefs are hard-wired," says 
> Bloom
> 
> ...How does the brain conjure up gods? One of 
> the key factors, says Bloom, is the fact that 
> our brains have separate cognitive systems 
> for dealing with living things - things with 
> minds, or at least volition - and inanimate 
> objects
> 
> Bloom says the two systems are autonomous, 
> leaving us with two viewpoints on the world: 
> one that deals with minds, and one that 
> handles physical aspects of the world. He 
> calls this innate assumption that mind and 
> matter are distinct "common-sense 
> dualism"
> 
> There is plenty of evidence that thinking 
> about disembodied minds comes naturally. 
> People readily form relationships with non-
> existent others: roughly half of all 4-year-
> olds have had an imaginary friend, and adults 
> often form and maintain relationships with 
> dead relatives, fictional characters and 
> fantasy partners. As Barrett points out, this 
> is an evolutionarily useful skill. Without it 
> we would be unable to maintain large social 
> hierarchies and alliances or anticipate what 
> an unseen enemy might be planning
> 
> ...Bering considers a belief in some form of
> life apart from that experienced in the body 
> to be the default setting of the human brain. 
> Education and experience teach us to override 
> it, but it never truly leaves us, he says. 
> From there it is only a short step to 
> conceptualising spirits, dead ancestors and, 
> of course, gods, says Pascal Boyer, a 
> psychologist at Washington University in St 
> Louis, Missouri
> 
> The ability to conceive of gods, however, is 
> not sufficient to give rise to religion. The 
> mind has another essential attribute: an 
> overdeveloped sense of cause and effect which 
> primes us to see purpose and design 
> everywhere, even where there is none. "You 
> see bushes rustle, you assume there's 
> somebody or something there," Bloom says.
> 
> This over-attribution of cause and effect 
> probably evolved for survival. If there are 
> predators around, it is no good spotting them 
> 9 times out of 10. Running away when you 
> don't have to is a small price to pay for 
> avoiding danger when the threat is real
> 
> Religion is an inescapable artefact of the 
> wiring in our brain, says Bloom. "All humans 
> possess the brain circuitry and that never 
> goes away." Petrovich adds that even adults 
> who describe themselves as atheists and 
> agnostics are prone to supernatural thinking. 
> Bering has seen this too. When one of his 
> students carried out interviews with 
> atheists, it became clear that they often 
> tacitly attribute purpose to significant or 
> traumatic moments in their lives, as if some 
> agency were intervening to make it happen. 
> "They don't completely exorcise the ghost of 
> god - they just muzzle it," Bering says.
> 
> Read more:
> http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126941.700-born-believers-how-
> your-brain-creates-god.html?full=true
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/aqmsnn
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The confusion caused by the bubble diagram.

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG."  wrote:
>
> MMY let out himself, sometimes you CAN get a very clear experience
> right from the very beginning (tip toeing thru the sleeping elephants)
> but it's not common, "like seeing a house and knowing it's not a tree,
> etc.". But Brahman? The source of thought and the ultimate
> Purushottama come on, get real!
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong...please!
>

FWIW:

*suSuptasthaana* ekiibhuutaH prajñaanaghana *evaanandamayo*[!]
hyaanandabhuk ceto mukhaH praajñastRtiiyaH paadaH.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Grist for the Rumor Mill

[pranamoocher]

Could be all that "healthy vegetarian" dietary regiment these people
have used over the last 30 years, along with tons of white sugar.
Sooner or later, the body catches up to dietary deficiencies.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From a friend:
>
> hey rick,
>
> heard from a pretty good source that bevan is retiring due to health
> reasons and that raja bob of v.c. along with hagelin has diabetes.
> heard anything like this?
>

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
 wrote:

> My point was that the idea that someone else have
> a superior way of organizing their internal sense
> of self, has lost its appeal.  I don't see any
> evidence for this claim.

Seems to me you'd have to live with the experience
of identifying with the Self, rather than with the
mind and body, for a while to decide whether it was
"better" or not.

  I believe that some people have more
> or less intelligence, or have a better ability to
> express and even feel their emotional capacity.
> But the whole idea that somehow we are identifying
> with the objects of perception, which lies at the
> core or Maharishi's assumptions about "ignorance",
> doesn't ring true to me.  I think he is describing
> a severe mental deficiency.

First, the notion of "identification" is hardly
something MMY came up with on his own; it's a
staple of Vedantic teaching, which suggests it
couldn't be a matter of "severe mental deficiency."

Second, it looks to me as though you're taking it
way too literally. In this context, one's body and
one's thoughts are both "objects of perception," 
not just the objects "out there."

As Vaj points out, if you didn't identify with
your body and mind, you couldn't function at all.
As I understand it, enlightenment doesn't do away
with identification but rather puts it in proper
perspective. (I know MMY addressed this at some
point, I think in either SBAL or the Gita, but I
can't find it quickly.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the Brain Creates God

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Latest theory, from New Scientist:
> 
> This is fascinating.
> 
> Religion is an inescapable artefact of the
> wiring in our brain, says Bloom. "All humans
> possess the brain circuitry and that never
> goes away." Petrovich adds that even adults
> who describe themselves as atheists and
> agnostics are prone to supernatural thinking.
> Bering has seen this too. When one of his
> students carried out interviews with
> atheists, it became clear that they often
> tacitly attribute purpose to significant or
> traumatic moments in their lives, as if some
> agency were intervening to make it happen.
> "They don't completely exorcise the ghost of
> god - they just muzzle it," Bering says.
> 
> I can relate to this.  I still have a magical
> thought process that pops up sometimes about
> events.  Then I laugh at myself for my own
> conditioning.

But he's saying it's not conditioning; it's
hard-wired.

[FairfieldLife] Re:Chris Wallace at FOX News grills Obama

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "menkemeyer"  
wrote:

> Great, Obama did what Bush didn't do for four years...
> admitt to a mistake. even after WMD etc. he was asked
> years into his term and he himed and hawed and could't
> come up with a single mistake. IT'S REFRESHING TO HAVE
> A PRESIDENT THAT WILL ADMITT A MISTAKE, BIG DIFFERENCE
> FROM THE BUSH DARK AGES.

What exactly *was* the mistake he admitted to?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Grist for the Rumor Mill

[I am the eternal]

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 3:56 PM, pranamoocher  wrote:
> Could be all that "healthy vegetarian" dietary regiment these people have
> used over the last 30 years, along with tons of white sugar.
> Sooner or later, the body catches up to dietary deficiencies.

Researchers have shown that half of college (US football) lineman have
metabolic syndrome (pre-diabetes).  Research is now underway on high
school lineman and the same result is expected.   Carrying a lot of
weight around predisposes one to diabetes.  And yes, the tons of white
sugar and the carbs exhaust insulin production.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Grist for the Rumor Mill-Ramblings

[lurkernomore20002000]

Reading this post motiviated me to write about something I've been 
thinking about.  I recently re-read Elizabeth Haich's INITIATION, and 
scanning the internet, it seeems that some of the luminaries from that 
period have re-appeared in the forms of Vivekenanda, and as disciples 
of Ramana Maharishi.  So, it kind of rekindled my confidence in the 
eastern tradition that most of us here are familiar with, and have 
trod down.  Then, a couple days ago, I received the University Report 
which lists the donors to the University in the last year, with all 
kinds of nice pictures and stories.  And I remembered my time spent as 
a loyal soldier in that army.  I never would have achieved any 
notoriety as a donor, but I could hold my own on the experiential 
level.  And I thought, well, maybe that's not a bad way to spend a 
life-devoted to a teacher, who I am inclined to believe did achieve 
the heights of spiritual development.  I don't think anyone likes 
being taken for a dupe, so evidently those who have kept the movement 
afloat financially either feel their funds have been used 
appropiately, or maybe they just have too much "invested", to look at 
other possibiiities.  But, at the very least, it created a feeling of 
goodwill towards those still carrying the flame. :) 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From a friend:
> 
> hey rick,
> 
> heard from a pretty good source that bevan is retiring due to 
health  
> reasons and that raja bob of v.c. along with hagelin has diabetes.   
> heard anything like this?
>

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> 
> > My point was that the idea that someone else have
> > a superior way of organizing their internal sense
> > of self, has lost its appeal.  I don't see any
> > evidence for this claim.
> 
> Seems to me you'd have to live with the experience
> of identifying with the Self, rather than with the
> mind and body, for a while to decide whether it was
> "better" or not.

The interpretation that the experiences gained by meditating is the
"Self" is not one I share now.  When I was in the movement I did
relate to this interpretation, and did believe I was experiencing what
Maharishi was talking about.  But once your perspective changes you
relate to the experience that meditation brings differently. 
Meditation altered functioning is not self evidently what Maharishi
claims.  By my way of thinking you would have to experience this shift
in interpretation while still being able to access the experience to
know why I would make such a statement.

In any case concerning people who make such claims I haven't seen any
evidence of superior anything.

> 
>   I believe that some people have more
> > or less intelligence, or have a better ability to
> > express and even feel their emotional capacity.
> > But the whole idea that somehow we are identifying
> > with the objects of perception, which lies at the
> > core or Maharishi's assumptions about "ignorance",
> > doesn't ring true to me.  I think he is describing
> > a severe mental deficiency.
> 
> First, the notion of "identification" is hardly
> something MMY came up with on his own; it's a
> staple of Vedantic teaching, which suggests it
> couldn't be a matter of "severe mental deficiency."

I'm not sure people long ago could relate to how our minds function
today. Compared to them we may all be what they believed was
enlightened. But I still can't relate to the concept as meaningful.  

> 
> Second, it looks to me as though you're taking it
> way too literally. In this context, one's body and
> one's thoughts are both "objects of perception," 
> not just the objects "out there."

OK

> 
> As Vaj points out, if you didn't identify with
> your body and mind, you couldn't function at all.
> As I understand it, enlightenment doesn't do away
> with identification but rather puts it in proper
> perspective. (I know MMY addressed this at some
> point, I think in either SBAL or the Gita, but I
> can't find it quickly.)

I am claiming that my my relationship with my body and mind are in
"proper perspective."  It isn't broken and doesn't need fixing.  I am
rejecting the whole model as making a big deal out of nothing.  Yes
you can change your internal functioning through meditation, but I
don't see the value. It doesn't seem to improve people's minds or
ethics in any way I can detect.

I'm not arguing that you shouldn't find value in it.  If you do,
that's great.  But the assumption that everyone else is functioning in
some sort of ignorance seems far fetched.  And the term "enlightened"
to describe what it seems to be accomplishing for people seems doubly
far fetched.  I think of yoga as an internal hobby, not as realizing
the "purpose of life."  Fun if you are into that sort of thing, but no
more.



>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the Brain Creates God

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> But he's saying it's not conditioning; it's
> hard-wired.

I haven't had this experience since reading this. In the future I will
laugh at myself for my hardwired connections!


>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Latest theory, from New Scientist:
> > 
> > This is fascinating.
> > 
> > Religion is an inescapable artefact of the
> > wiring in our brain, says Bloom. "All humans
> > possess the brain circuitry and that never
> > goes away." Petrovich adds that even adults
> > who describe themselves as atheists and
> > agnostics are prone to supernatural thinking.
> > Bering has seen this too. When one of his
> > students carried out interviews with
> > atheists, it became clear that they often
> > tacitly attribute purpose to significant or
> > traumatic moments in their lives, as if some
> > agency were intervening to make it happen.
> > "They don't completely exorcise the ghost of
> > god - they just muzzle it," Bering says.
> > 
> > I can relate to this.  I still have a magical
> > thought process that pops up sometimes about
> > events.  Then I laugh at myself for my own
> > conditioning.
> 
> But he's saying it's not conditioning; it's
> hard-wired.
>

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:

> >   I believe that some people have more
> > > or less intelligence, or have a better ability to
> > > express and even feel their emotional capacity.
> > > But the whole idea that somehow we are identifying
> > > with the objects of perception, which lies at the
> > > core or Maharishi's assumptions about "ignorance",
> > > doesn't ring true to me.  I think he is describing
> > > a severe mental deficiency.
> > 
> > First, the notion of "identification" is hardly
> > something MMY came up with on his own; it's a
> > staple of Vedantic teaching, which suggests it
> > couldn't be a matter of "severe mental deficiency."
> 
> I'm not sure people long ago could relate to how our
> minds function today. Compared to them we may all be
> what they believed was enlightened.

Are you suggesting that most people long ago were
what we today would cosider severely mentally
deficient??

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Grist for the Rumor Mill-Ramblings

[I am the eternal]

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 4:40 PM, lurkernomore20002000 > life-devoted to
a teacher, >who I am inclined to believe did achieve
> the heights of spiritual development.  I don't think anyone likes
> being taken for a dupe, so evidently those who have kept the movement
> afloat financially either feel their funds have been used
> appropiately, or maybe they just have too much "invested", to look at
> other possibiiities.  But, at the very least, it created a feeling of
> goodwill towards those still carrying the flame. :)

Yes, I know the feeling.  But it gets to a point where even the most
diehard believer in carrying the torch starts to wonder if they're
being taken for a ride.

Let's take the recent announcement, posted here, about the Brahmastan
of India.  How the TMO is wanting to increase the numbers to super
radiance but suddenly there's a hitch:  3 parcels of land given to
sell to raise the cash for the project now probably can't be sold
because of the economic situation.  So donors are being solicited for
the zillionth time.  OK, well let's apply some TARP thinking into
this.  Why should we donate money if there's land that could be sold
to raise it?  Because it can't be sold right now?  OK, I don't have a
problem with that.  Just package up the land and offer it to the
people you're trying to get fresh money from.  Give us something in
exchange for our cash.  Eventually the economic situation will
improve.  It has before, it always does, eventually.  If we just cut
checks now, then when land values recover, the TMO will have the money
all over again.  Now this misadventure in India has been going on for
quite a while.  Remember when there were all these monorails planned
for the massive construction along the Ganges?  What happened to that
construction?  What's the current value of it?  Where did the money
for its purchase, planning and construction on it go?

Eventually you have to say "Look.  You've asked and were given, you
asked and were given.  Now show me something."  Or remain a fool.

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > I'm not sure people long ago could relate to how our
> > minds function today. Compared to them we may all be
> > what they believed was enlightened.
> 
> Are you suggesting that most people long ago were
> what we today would cosider severely mentally
> deficient??

Back to my original point.  I can't relate to any normal person being
identified with the objects of perception.

I don't know if how our minds have changes by our media exposure and
education is significant compared to people in the past or not.  I'm
guessing that an average agrarian person in ancient India might be
impressed with what people today take for granted.  But if it was big
news that we shouldn't be overshadowed by or identify with the objects
of perception was big news back then...then maybe they were different
in some way. I am trying to figure out why they made such a big deal
out of something that seems obvious to me.

Every hang out with a woman from a country who does not educate women?
 Education makes a huge difference in mental development.

But specifically, I am not dissing people in the past.  I am trying to
figure out what their point was.  



>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> 
> > >   I believe that some people have more
> > > > or less intelligence, or have a better ability to
> > > > express and even feel their emotional capacity.
> > > > But the whole idea that somehow we are identifying
> > > > with the objects of perception, which lies at the
> > > > core or Maharishi's assumptions about "ignorance",
> > > > doesn't ring true to me.  I think he is describing
> > > > a severe mental deficiency.
> > > 
> > > First, the notion of "identification" is hardly
> > > something MMY came up with on his own; it's a
> > > staple of Vedantic teaching, which suggests it
> > > couldn't be a matter of "severe mental deficiency."
> > 
> > I'm not sure people long ago could relate to how our
> > minds function today. Compared to them we may all be
> > what they believed was enlightened.
> 
> Are you suggesting that most people long ago were
> what we today would cosider severely mentally
> deficient??
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the Brain Creates God

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Latest theory, from New Scientist:
> > 
> > This is fascinating.
> > 
> > Religion is an inescapable artefact of the
> > wiring in our brain, says Bloom. "All humans
> > possess the brain circuitry and that never
> > goes away." Petrovich adds that even adults
> > who describe themselves as atheists and
> > agnostics are prone to supernatural thinking.
> > Bering has seen this too. When one of his
> > students carried out interviews with
> > atheists, it became clear that they often
> > tacitly attribute purpose to significant or
> > traumatic moments in their lives, as if some
> > agency were intervening to make it happen.
> > "They don't completely exorcise the ghost of
> > god - they just muzzle it," Bering says.
> > 
> > I can relate to this.  I still have a magical
> > thought process that pops up sometimes about
> > events.  Then I laugh at myself for my own
> > conditioning.
> 
> But he's saying it's not conditioning; it's
> hard-wired.
>
  Maybe we are all segments of the main program?

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[Vaj]

On Feb 8, 2009, at 4:19 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:


I'm glad you weighed in Vaj.  I guess the word "identify" doesn't have
much meaning for me in this context.  I feel my body and flow my
feelings through my instruments when I play them.  But saying that
this is an "identification" doesn't register.  I am closer to my body
than my guitar and it is certainly more a part of my sense of my
complete self.  Although I understand the conceptual usefulness of the
body mind distinction, that is not usually how I experience the
package deal of being human.

My point was that the idea that someone else have a superior way of
organizing their internal sense of self, has lost its appeal.


I don't know that it should be looked at as superior. The ordinary  
state of affairs is that our consciousness identifies with our body,  
unless we're knocked out or have a mental illness or something like  
that. Yogis make the decision to unravel and play with that  
identification. Chances are that's not going to appeal to a lot of  
people, who are quite happy with skin-encapsulated egos and  
maintaining "ordinary" references.



 I don't
see any evidence for this claim.


Well you know what they say about extraordinary claims require  
extraordinary evidence. In such a case you need an extraordinary  
person who meets those criteria and you'd have to be impressed enough  
by them to think that what they have, is in fact extraordinary (and  
worthwhile). Then and maybe then you consider trying out their "goods".



 I believe that some people have more
or less intelligence, or have a better ability to express and even
feel their emotional capacity.  But the whole idea that somehow we are
identifying with the objects of perception, which lies at the core or
Maharishi's assumptions about "ignorance", doesn't ring true to me.  I
think he is describing a severe mental deficiency.


The Vedantic and Samkhya slant on things has some appeal to me, but  
being trapped in identification with external objects only has a  
limited appeal to me, but it is really just the wording I don't like.  
I can see for example how there is a certain ring of truth to it--the  
only thing is western, (esp. American) consensus reality really  
brainwashes us that it's ok, it's a good thing. For example I can see  
and I know many people who are attached to objects and acquirements  
and I can also see and sense how they use acquisition of objects of  
temporary pleasure to maintain certain reference points that surround  
their awareness and attention like an ever-changing security blanket.  
But it's a moving security blanket that never gives any lasting  
security or satisfaction. The mind feels satisfied by thinking over  
the various reference items it likes and has "acquired", the new boat,  
the new TV, the new CD, the new scenery we need to visit in some  
foreign locale. Then we run them through our mind till we get tired of  
the new items we acquired and start searching for new ones to possess  
and reference and "roll over in our minds". Commercials and  
advertisements constantly barrage us with objects we should like and  
attach to and show us the "cool" and happy people who have them. They  
seem very happy. But these are really, ultimately lies.


So some people have decided that this pattern ultimately doesn't make  
you happy. They devised techniques to unravel the pattern. One way is  
common sensical: observe something already automatic (like your  
breath) and then you slowly learn to be more aware by seeing others  
things you're just doing habitually, automatically. Instead of being  
caught in this push-pull, you begin to see things simply "as they  
are". We can understand how that's helpful and the habitual keeping of  
"reference points" (identification with objects in that manner) isn't  
necessarily a desirable thing.


But for me the better way to parse it is "maintaining reference  
points" or "referentiality", as I know in my own experience that that  
temporary pattern isn't one that makes me happy or a better person,  
despite what consensus reality might insinuate.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Grist for the Rumor Mill-Ramblings

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal  
wrote:
 Remember when there were all these monorails planned
> for the massive construction along the Ganges?  What happened to that
> construction?  What's the current value of it?  Where did the money
> for its purchase, planning and construction on it go?
> 
> Eventually you have to say "Look.  You've asked and were given, you
> asked and were given.  Now show me something."  Or remain a fool.
>
Oh yea.  Examples like this could fill up a page or two.  Here's what 
just occurred to me as I was firing up the grill for a flank steak for 
the family.  Probably Bevan, Hagelin and whoever else consulted a 
movment lawyer, and determined they could qualify for disability and 
thereby recieve a good chunk of their present income from Uncle Sam, 
or Sydney.

What you describe above is so typical.  Play any angle to get funds.  

[FairfieldLife] A Message from a Star

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=48995048996&h=IIWcx&u=STOFE

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:

> 
> I don't know that it should be looked at as superior. The ordinary  
> state of affairs is that our consciousness identifies with our body, 

I'm not so sure about that.  My identity is biased towards my mind and
emotions.  My body is getting older but my mind and capacity to feel
is getting better.  I think only very superficial people identify with
their bodies. 
 
> unless we're knocked out or have a mental illness or something like  
> that. Yogis make the decision to unravel and play with that  
> identification. Chances are that's not going to appeal to a lot of  
> people, who are quite happy with skin-encapsulated egos and  
> maintaining "ordinary" references.

I don't view people that way.  Most people seem to be more similar
than different to me.  They share the same cares and desires for their
loved one's lives.
> 
> >  I don't
> > see any evidence for this claim.
> 
> Well you know what they say about extraordinary claims require  
> extraordinary evidence. In such a case you need an extraordinary  
> person who meets those criteria and you'd have to be impressed enough  
> by them to think that what they have, is in fact extraordinary (and  
> worthwhile). Then and maybe then you consider trying out their "goods".

Granted.  I know that some here have found such people and found them
impressive.

> 

> 
> The Vedantic and Samkhya slant on things has some appeal to me, but  
> being trapped in identification with external objects only has a  
> limited appeal to me, but it is really just the wording I don't like.  
> I can see for example how there is a certain ring of truth to it--the  
> only thing is western, (esp. American) consensus reality really  
> brainwashes us that it's ok, it's a good thing. For example I can see  
> and I know many people who are attached to objects and acquirements  
> and I can also see and sense how they use acquisition of objects of  
> temporary pleasure to maintain certain reference points that surround  
> their awareness and attention like an ever-changing security blanket.  
> But it's a moving security blanket that never gives any lasting  
> security or satisfaction. The mind feels satisfied by thinking over  
> the various reference items it likes and has "acquired", the new boat,  
> the new TV, the new CD, the new scenery we need to visit in some  
> foreign locale. Then we run them through our mind till we get tired of  
> the new items we acquired and start searching for new ones to possess  
> and reference and "roll over in our minds". Commercials and  
> advertisements constantly barrage us with objects we should like and  
> attach to and show us the "cool" and happy people who have them. They  
> seem very happy. But these are really, ultimately lies.

Most people I meet are most attached to their loved ones.  There are
superficial people who are "things" oriented but most people seem
pretty clear on the value of relationships in their lives. Then you
have plenty of people engrossed in skill acquisitions of various kinds. 

> 
> So some people have decided that this pattern ultimately doesn't make  
> you happy. They devised techniques to unravel the pattern. One way is  
> common sensical: observe something already automatic (like your  
> breath) and then you slowly learn to be more aware by seeing others  
> things you're just doing habitually, automatically. Instead of being  
> caught in this push-pull, you begin to see things simply "as they  
> are".

This was really well said.  I can relate to this.  Meditation has this
value for me as well.

 We can understand how that's helpful and the habitual keeping of  >
"reference points" (identification with objects in that manner) isn't
> necessarily a desirable thing.

I'm not sure I relate to it this way. I didn't notice that
materialistic people in the movement got less so.  The people with
money seemed to run the same routines people in Northern Virginia do.
 But most of them still value family over objects unless they are
complete tools!

> 
> But for me the better way to parse it is "maintaining reference  
> points" or "referentiality", as I know in my own experience that
that  > temporary pattern isn't one that makes me happy or a better
person, > despite what consensus reality might insinuate.

Thanks for keeping the ball in play and giving me more to think about.


> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Grist for the Rumor Mill-Ramblings

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal 
wrote:
>
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 4:40 PM, lurkernomore20002000 > life-devoted to
> a teacher, >who I am inclined to believe did achieve
> > the heights of spiritual development.  I don't think anyone likes
> > being taken for a dupe, so evidently those who have kept the movement
> > afloat financially either feel their funds have been used
> > appropiately, or maybe they just have too much "invested", to look at
> > other possibiiities.  But, at the very least, it created a feeling of
> > goodwill towards those still carrying the flame. :)
> 
> Yes, I know the feeling.  But it gets to a point where even the most
> diehard believer in carrying the torch starts to wonder if they're
> being taken for a ride.
> snip,
  One of the former department heads that used to come into my shop
had donated money and worked for many years and, in the end, due to
some disagreement, was told to "get a job" as he was out.
  So much for the retirement program.  N. 

[FairfieldLife] Elephant and Dog Prove Best Friends

[do.rflex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs_a98AySNk

[FairfieldLife] Re: Grist for the Rumor Mill-Ramblings

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
 wrote:
>
> Reading this post motiviated me to write about something I've been 
> thinking about.  I recently re-read Elizabeth Haich's INITIATION, 
and 
> scanning the internet, it seeems that some of the luminaries from 
that 
> period have re-appeared in the forms of Vivekenanda, and as 
disciples 
> of Ramana Maharishi.  So, it kind of rekindled my confidence in the 
> eastern tradition that most of us here are familiar with, and have 
> trod down.  Then, a couple days ago, I received the University 
Report 
> which lists the donors to the University in the last year, with all 
> kinds of nice pictures and stories.  And I remembered my time spent 
as 
> a loyal soldier in that army.  I never would have achieved any 
> notoriety as a donor, but I could hold my own on the experiential 
> level.  And I thought, well, maybe that's not a bad way to spend a 
> life-devoted to a teacher, who I am inclined to believe did achieve 
> the heights of spiritual development.  I don't think anyone likes 
> being taken for a dupe, so evidently those who have kept the 
movement 
> afloat financially either feel their funds have been used 
> appropiately, or maybe they just have too much "invested", to look 
at 
> other possibiiities.  But, at the very least, it created a feeling 
of 
> goodwill towards those still carrying the flame. :) 


Heaven will walk on earth, in this generation."
- Maharishi

Thanks to very, very many you call "soldiers"! Thank's to you also !

Jai Guru Dev

Re: [FairfieldLife] So what does it mean if you're a Valentine's baby

[Peter]

No.


--- On Sun, 2/8/09, I am the eternal  wrote:

> From: I am the eternal 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] So what does it mean if you're a Valentine's baby
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 3:57 PM
> A good friend of mine is a Valentine's baby.  Which
> means she'll be
> celebrating the dawning of the Age of Aquarius on her
> birthday.  Does
> that mean anything special about her (besides her already
> being very
> special), besides being able to get a free breakfast at
> Denny's on her
> birthday?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

  

[FairfieldLife] A Pretty Great Short Video

[Marek Reavis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySrsZuD4w0c

(under 5 minutes)

[FairfieldLife] Consciousness, Creativity & the Brain

[nablusoss1008]

http://tinyurl.com/buxv75

[FairfieldLife] Re: Grist for the Rumor Mill

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "pranamoocher"  wrote:
>
> Could be all that "healthy vegetarian" dietary regiment these people
> have used over the last 30 years, along with tons of white sugar.
> Sooner or later, the body catches up to dietary deficiencies.

Our species didn't evolve on a diet of grains, beans, and the milk of
other species. My opinion of heavily agrarian diets is that they are
suboptimal at best and do the least amount of harm when there's
sufficient poverty to keep caloric intake down. With the growing
middle class in India, there's a huge increase in type 2 diabetes. On
top of that, modern diets are loaded with polyunsaturated seed oils
and refined carbohydrates. All in all, it's a recipe for chronic
degenerative disease.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From a friend:
> >
> > hey rick,
> >
> > heard from a pretty good source that bevan is retiring due to health
> > reasons and that raja bob of v.c. along with hagelin has diabetes.
> > heard anything like this?
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness, Creativity & the Brain. David Lynch about doing.

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
wrote:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/buxv75
>

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[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[yifuxero]

---.I fully agree...then the question becomes one of subjective
importance, AFTER a given assumption: that something, some transition
or quantum leap of sorts, takes place in Enlightenment or in stages
before that.  Then:
a. the ancient Sages and/or Neo-Advaitins or globally, the Wilberian
"Great Tradition" ists (nondualist Hindus and Buddhist), make various
claims regarding the issue of Identification.

b.  But then, those making claims in (a) make other claims which are
actually speculative leaps of faith, pointing to a Holier-Than-Thou
perspective and statements such as:

1. People in (a) can't make mistakes, they automatically get Nature's
support, they are to be worshipped on occasion, have sex with your
wives, get free lunches, etc.

b. Then when people discover that the people in (a) are sometimes
immoral, irresponsible, ignorant,.., etc; then we call into question
the meaning and value of the claims concerning Identification and
where it fits in.

Is there a broader theory encompassing what those in (a) experience,
along with room for the types of behavior mentioned in (1b).

YES!.  In spite of his faults, Adi Da came up with brilliant insights
into the nature of Enlightenment.   One of his gems was that before
Enlightenment, people ARE the body/mind.

But after Enlightenment, they still ARE!...even though they say "I AM
THAT"...etc.
But THAT is the misidentification!.  The Neo-Advaitins have it BACKWARDS.
As long as people have bodies (i.e. are bodies), they ARE body/minds.
There is no "entity" apart from the body/mind which says "I am
identifying with this or that".

This model doesn't deny that Enlightened people may undergo some type
of transition.  It only says/proposes that before, people are a body/mind.
After, they still are a body/mind.  
But the real question is one of "importance", and where is such and
such a behavior taking people?
Nobody seems to have great answers yet. 


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > My point was that the idea that someone else have
> > > a superior way of organizing their internal sense
> > > of self, has lost its appeal.  I don't see any
> > > evidence for this claim.
> > 
> > Seems to me you'd have to live with the experience
> > of identifying with the Self, rather than with the
> > mind and body, for a while to decide whether it was
> > "better" or not.
> 
> The interpretation that the experiences gained by meditating is the
> "Self" is not one I share now.  When I was in the movement I did
> relate to this interpretation, and did believe I was experiencing what
> Maharishi was talking about.  But once your perspective changes you
> relate to the experience that meditation brings differently. 
> Meditation altered functioning is not self evidently what Maharishi
> claims.  By my way of thinking you would have to experience this shift
> in interpretation while still being able to access the experience to
> know why I would make such a statement.
> 
> In any case concerning people who make such claims I haven't seen any
> evidence of superior anything.
> 
> > 
> >   I believe that some people have more
> > > or less intelligence, or have a better ability to
> > > express and even feel their emotional capacity.
> > > But the whole idea that somehow we are identifying
> > > with the objects of perception, which lies at the
> > > core or Maharishi's assumptions about "ignorance",
> > > doesn't ring true to me.  I think he is describing
> > > a severe mental deficiency.
> > 
> > First, the notion of "identification" is hardly
> > something MMY came up with on his own; it's a
> > staple of Vedantic teaching, which suggests it
> > couldn't be a matter of "severe mental deficiency."
> 
> I'm not sure people long ago could relate to how our minds function
> today. Compared to them we may all be what they believed was
> enlightened. But I still can't relate to the concept as meaningful.  
> 
> > 
> > Second, it looks to me as though you're taking it
> > way too literally. In this context, one's body and
> > one's thoughts are both "objects of perception," 
> > not just the objects "out there."
> 
> OK
> 
> > 
> > As Vaj points out, if you didn't identify with
> > your body and mind, you couldn't function at all.
> > As I understand it, enlightenment doesn't do away
> > with identification but rather puts it in proper
> > perspective. (I know MMY addressed this at some
> > point, I think in either SBAL or the Gita, but I
> > can't find it quickly.)
> 
> I am claiming that my my relationship with my body and mind are in
> "proper perspective."  It isn't broken and doesn't need fixing.  I am
> rejecting the whole model as making a big deal out of nothing.  Yes
> you can change your internal functioning through meditation, but I
> don't see the value. It doesn't seem to improve people's minds or

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the Brain Creates God

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Latest theory, from New Scientist:
> > > 
> > > This is fascinating.
> > > 
> > > Religion is an inescapable artefact of the
> > > wiring in our brain, says Bloom. "All humans
> > > possess the brain circuitry and that never
> > > goes away." Petrovich adds that even adults
> > > who describe themselves as atheists and
> > > agnostics are prone to supernatural thinking.
> > > Bering has seen this too. When one of his
> > > students carried out interviews with
> > > atheists, it became clear that they often
> > > tacitly attribute purpose to significant or
> > > traumatic moments in their lives, as if some
> > > agency were intervening to make it happen.
> > > "They don't completely exorcise the ghost of
> > > god - they just muzzle it," Bering says.
> > > 
> > > I can relate to this.  I still have a magical
> > > thought process that pops up sometimes about
> > > events.  Then I laugh at myself for my own
> > > conditioning.
> > 
> > But he's saying it's not conditioning; it's
> > hard-wired.
> >
>   Maybe we are all segments of the main program?

Evolutionarily hardwired.  But of course we are constantly evolving a
I do think that this tendency towards believing in supernatural forces
is reinforced by the fact that humans are pattern spotters, with the
unfortunate side effect of seeing patterns when there are none.  Also,
the tendency towards justification may be a part of finding "purpose"
in certain events. 

Don't forget Darwin Day February 12!


>

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:

 wives, get free lunches>


Whoa, wait a minute here!  I didn't get this memo and now may have to
re-think my opting out of the whole program.  This has more appeal
than not identifying with the objects of perception!

Just to clarify, does the free lunch come before or after the sex with
other people's wives because I don't perform too well after a big
meal, but AFTER adulterous sex I can get really hungry and a lunch
would be very nice.  I don't need anything too elaborate but a
sandwich would be nice (toasted sourdough) and if possible could I
request mustard instead of mayonnaise?   Not to make too much of a big
deal about this but if it could be the extra spicy kind with
horseradish that would be a plus.  And if it isn't putting you out too
much would you mind not using that processed crap from the supermarket
cold cuts section but actually get some nice pastrami at a real deli
or if you have access to a real Italian gourmet joint a little
prosciutto  and fresh (buffalo) Mozzarella would be nice if it is not
too much trouble. (In this case please hold the mustard but include
some fresh basil.) Oh and not to be a complete pain but please don't
forget the pickle and not the mushy kind thank you very much.  


>
> ---.I fully agree...then the question becomes one of subjective
> importance, AFTER a given assumption: that something, some transition
> or quantum leap of sorts, takes place in Enlightenment or in stages
> before that.  Then:
> a. the ancient Sages and/or Neo-Advaitins or globally, the Wilberian
> "Great Tradition" ists (nondualist Hindus and Buddhist), make various
> claims regarding the issue of Identification.
> 
> b.  But then, those making claims in (a) make other claims which are
> actually speculative leaps of faith, pointing to a Holier-Than-Thou
> perspective and statements such as:
> 
> 1. People in (a) can't make mistakes, they automatically get Nature's
> support, they are to be worshipped on occasion, have sex with your
> wives, get free lunches, etc.
> 
> b. Then when people discover that the people in (a) are sometimes
> immoral, irresponsible, ignorant,.., etc; then we call into question
> the meaning and value of the claims concerning Identification and
> where it fits in.
> 
> Is there a broader theory encompassing what those in (a) experience,
> along with room for the types of behavior mentioned in (1b).
> 
> YES!.  In spite of his faults, Adi Da came up with brilliant insights
> into the nature of Enlightenment.   One of his gems was that before
> Enlightenment, people ARE the body/mind.
> 
> But after Enlightenment, they still ARE!...even though they say "I AM
> THAT"...etc.
> But THAT is the misidentification!.  The Neo-Advaitins have it
BACKWARDS.
> As long as people have bodies (i.e. are bodies), they ARE body/minds.
> There is no "entity" apart from the body/mind which says "I am
> identifying with this or that".
> 
> This model doesn't deny that Enlightened people may undergo some type
> of transition.  It only says/proposes that before, people are a
body/mind.
> After, they still are a body/mind.  
> But the real question is one of "importance", and where is such and
> such a behavior taking people?
> Nobody seems to have great answers yet. 
> 
> 
>  In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > My point was that the idea that someone else have
> > > > a superior way of organizing their internal sense
> > > > of self, has lost its appeal.  I don't see any
> > > > evidence for this claim.
> > > 
> > > Seems to me you'd have to live with the experience
> > > of identifying with the Self, rather than with the
> > > mind and body, for a while to decide whether it was
> > > "better" or not.
> > 
> > The interpretation that the experiences gained by meditating is the
> > "Self" is not one I share now.  When I was in the movement I did
> > relate to this interpretation, and did believe I was experiencing what
> > Maharishi was talking about.  But once your perspective changes you
> > relate to the experience that meditation brings differently. 
> > Meditation altered functioning is not self evidently what Maharishi
> > claims.  By my way of thinking you would have to experience this shift
> > in interpretation while still being able to access the experience to
> > know why I would make such a statement.
> > 
> > In any case concerning people who make such claims I haven't seen any
> > evidence of superior anything.
> > 
> > > 
> > >   I believe that some people have more
> > > > or less intelligence, or have a better ability to
> > > > express and even feel their emotional capacity.
> > > > But the whole idea that somehow we are identifying
> > > > with the objects of perception, which lies at the
> > > > core or Maharishi's assumption

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

[grate . swan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > I'm not sure people long ago could relate to how our
> > > minds function today. Compared to them we may all be
> > > what they believed was enlightened.

Interesting hypothesis.

> > 
> > Are you suggesting that most people long ago were
> > what we today would cosider severely mentally
> > deficient??
> 
> Back to my original point.  I can't relate to any normal person being
> identified with the objects of perception.
> 
> I don't know if how our minds have changes by our media exposure and
> education is significant compared to people in the past or not.  I'm
> guessing that an average agrarian person in ancient India might be
> impressed with what people today take for granted.  

Brain plasticity is getting more and more attention and research.   
Modern education and life-long reading and learning may indeed reshape
the anatomy and physiology of brain function -- something not thought
possible several decades ago. I wonder if this may result in some
hereditary changes -- which if such occurs, could make increasingly
"educated" societies as quite distinct from past generations --
particularly 1000-3000-5000 years back.  

And technology has raised the bar as to what are fascinating "powers".
People in the past who may have been impressed with an advanced yogi
with super ritam abilities -- may yawn off at such when the whole
world of knowledge is increasingly at our fingertips.  


Some excerpts -- which I am sure don't do full justice to the field.
*
Neuroplasticity (variously referred to as brain plasticity, cortical
plasticity or cortical re-mapping) refers to changes that occur in the
organization of the brain as a result of experience. 

The brain consists of cells which are interconnected, and learning may
happen through changing of the strength of the connections, by adding
or removing connections, or by adding new cells. "Plasticity" relates
to learning by adding or removing connections, or adding cells. 

... However, studies determined that environmental changes could alter
behavior and cognition by modifying connections between existing
neurons and via neurogenesis in the hippocampus and other parts of the
brain, including the cerebellum[4].

Decades of research have now shown that substantial changes occur in
the lowest neocortical processing areas, and that these changes can
profoundly alter the pattern of neuronal activation in response to
experience. According to the theory of neuroplasticity; thinking,
learning, and acting actually change both the brain's physical
structure (anatomy) and functional organization (physiology) from top
to bottom. 

Neuroscientists are presently engaged in a reconciliation of critical
period studies demonstrating the immutability of the brain after
development with the new findings on neuroplasticity, which reveal the
mutability of both structural and functional aspects. A substantial
paradigm shift is now under way: Canadian psychiatrist Norman Doidge
has in fact stated that neuroplasticity is "one of the most
extraordinary discoveries of the twentieth century."[5]


Michael Merzenich is a neuroscientist who has been one of the pioneers
of brain plasticity for over three decades. He has made some of "the
most ambitious claims for the field - that brain exercises may be as
useful as drugs to treat diseases as severe as schizophrenia - that
plasticity exists from cradle to the grave, and that radical
improvements in cognitive functioning - how we learn, think, perceive,
and remember are possible even in the elderly."[5] ...  It was"… as
though the brain didn't want to waste any `cortical real estate' and
had found a way to rewire itself."[5] This implied brain plasticity
during the critical period. ..  Merzenich asserted that "if the brain
map could normalize its structure in response to abnormal input, the
prevailing view that we are born with a hardwired system had to be
wrong. The brain had to be plastic."[5]

*



> But if it was big
> news that we shouldn't be overshadowed by or identify with the objects
> of perception was big news back then...then maybe they were different
> in some way. I am trying to figure out why they made such a big deal
> out of something that seems obvious to me.
> 
> Every hang out with a woman from a country who does not educate women?
>  Education makes a huge difference in mental development.
> 
> But specifically, I am not dissing people in the past.  I am trying to
> figure out what their point was.  
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > 
> > > >   I believe that some people have more
> > > > > or less intelligence, or have a b

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Pretty Great Short Video

[enlightened_dawn11]

great find-- i recognized awhile ago while shooting video that it is 
very hard to duplicate all of the dolly effects used in professional 
cinematography. these guys came up with a cool solution.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis"  
wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySrsZuD4w0c
> 
> (under 5 minutes)
>

[FairfieldLife] 'A Valentine for Mother Divine'

[Robert]

 
 She became calm, 
Like a cool breeze, on a hot summer's day...
After years of changing herself, to fit the season, 
She now rested.
Her death mask was as beautiful as a young girl.
Her face shone a light, that was beyond the physical.
The golden dust sparkels in the Sun.
She is Calm She Loves for Love's Sake,
Everything and Everyone.
She is Calm.
Peace is Good.



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Pretty Great Short Video

[Marek Reavis]

It was a great solution for their purpose.  For me, it was almost an 
ideal flick; the wonderful matter-of-factness to it, the play of 
attention throughout, the uninvolved 'witness' thing, and all those 
great people living their lives in the sushi bar for the span of the 
video.

Watched it twice right away; totally dug it.

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
 wrote:
>
> great find-- i recognized awhile ago while shooting video that it is 
> very hard to duplicate all of the dolly effects used in professional 
> cinematography. these guys came up with a cool solution.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis"  
> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySrsZuD4w0c
> > 
> > (under 5 minutes)
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the Brain Creates God

[I am the eternal]

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:40 PM, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
>
> Don't forget Darwin Day February 12!
>

How can you forget Darwin and his day if you visit FFL?  The gene pool
is so shallow here it's a wonder you don't scrape bottom.

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the Brain Creates God

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal  
> 
> How can you forget Darwin and his day if you visit FFL?  The gene pool
> is so shallow here it's a wonder you don't scrape bottom.

I am not regular in my visits, as I am not regular in my meditations. :)
>