[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader living in Paris with wife and 2 kids

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > 
> > > > The one thing the right-wingers *don't* do is claim
> > > > they're saying this stuff just to piss off liberals.
> > > > They know *nobody* would be stupid enough to believe
> > > > that.
> > > >
> > > But YOU'RE so smart you know what everyone is really
> > > thinking, don't you Judith. If only folks would simply
> > > tell the "truth" and agree with you (since you "know"
> > > they secretly do), instead of constantly lying and
> > > demonizing, we could all move on.
> > 
> > And you're just saying this to piss me off, right, Geeze?
> > 
> > 
> >
> Why, "you know" I am Judith!

I thought *I* was Judith...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Draupadi's Marriage

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > To All:
> > 
> > The marriage of Draupadi to five brothers, including Arjuna the hero of the 
> > Mahabharata, is a symbol of how our five senses are intimately connected 
> > with our love affairs. In this regard, the panchamsha chart shows how the 
> > five elements, signifying the senses, are distributed to satisfy both the 
> > man and woman in a given marriage relationship. Knowing these 
> > relationships, one can understand one's needs and the lover's desires for a 
> > lasting and rewarding marriage union.
> > 
> > In a deeper scheme of things, these five elements have a common basis in 
> > the unified field, the bliss or soma that permeates the entire universe. As 
> > such, the Rig Veda sings for posterity that for those who are not familiar 
> > with this bliss, what can It do for him?
> 
> Here's some more:
> 
> "She put a condition for her marriage. She would wed the prince who would 
> pierce the eye of the rotating wooden fish by looking at its reflection."
> 
> Drupaudi is symbolic in Vyasa's great masterpiece of kula-kundalini;  when 
> she 'rises' UP the 'wooden pole supporting the fish' she 'marries' each 
> chakra in turn, each chakra is represented by one Pandu and each Pandu 
> bequeaths the aspirant or jiva  a particular power associated with that 
> chakra;  Arjuna being self control.
> 
> Piercing the eye of the wooden fish is symbolic of opening the third eye or 
> Ajna chakra, which is the 6th chakra and the first state of enlightenment 
> (Savikalpa Samadhi)
> 
> Source for story below:
> 
> http://www.boloji.com/mahabharata/10.htm
>

Great research!  And, I thought my insight was original.  It looks like someone 
beat me to it by millenia.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader living in Paris with wife and 2 kids

[Joe]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> > > The one thing the right-wingers *don't* do is claim
> > > they're saying this stuff just to piss off liberals.
> > > They know *nobody* would be stupid enough to believe
> > > that.
> > >
> > But YOU'RE so smart you know what everyone is really
> > thinking, don't you Judith. If only folks would simply
> > tell the "truth" and agree with you (since you "know"
> > they secretly do), instead of constantly lying and
> > demonizing, we could all move on.
> 
> And you're just saying this to piss me off, right, Geeze?
> 
> 
>
Why, "you know" I am Judith!

[FairfieldLife] Re: please advise me on technique - mantras, experiences

[Joe]

Janosmelocco,

You could do far worse than to take advice from brother Curtis here. As humble 
as he is, this is a guy who has really walked the walk when it comes to 
spiritual practice and devotion.

"Take advice" is the wrong expression actually. "Listen carefully and consider" 
is better. Curtis is one of the clearest thinkers and writers present at FFL 
IMO. I stopped checking in on FFL when Curtis checked out some months 
agoway too much same ol' same ol. Now that he's back I look in almost 
everyday. There's wisdom in them thar posts! Hell, just check out his last four 
today!

FFL w/o Curtis is boring.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "janosmelocco"  wrote:
> 
> Hi Janosmelocco
> 
> I am really the worst person to give advice to you.  I don't share the 
> transpersonal or spiritual perspectives that seem to be important to you.  
> But we do share an interest in NLP and Ericksonian hypnosis.  You seem like a 
> guy who has really done some hard work on yourself.  I did write some ideas 
> that I didn't post when you first logged on.  I just decided that I was not 
> the right guy for the job especially with many goodhearted spiritually 
> oriented people here.
> 
> To clarify what I wrote, I don't believe that one mantra has a different 
> effect than another or that it could affect your wife in such a dramatic way. 
>  I would keep your search for answers more earthbound.  Frankly when I hear 
> that someone is acting "possessed" I immediately think professional mental 
> health care is needed.  It could be a serious degenerative condition.  So 
> when I heard some people egging you on with different practices it made me 
> think that perhaps you were being encouraged to continue down the same road 
> you are on and expecting different results.  But you totally proved me wrong 
> about your openness to other points of view.  You are actively seeking them 
> out so high five for that.
> 
> I found what I was seeking from life outside the spiritual perspective.  I 
> found alternative explanations to the subjective states we experience in 
> spiritual practices that suit me better.  I can't say the same would be true 
> for everyone or that everyone should adapt a secular view of life.  It just 
> worked for me. So I have no more advice except perhaps that a new seed is 
> needed for a new crop to quote our old friend Maharishi.  In my current point 
> of view he was wrong about many many things.  But he sure had that right!
> 
> Good luck brother.  I wish you and your family a wonderful life.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > curtisdeltablues,
> > 
> > I am rereading some things that made sense. Actually I did get a few good 
> > points of advice, some privately in email - my yahoo address is public here 
> > - my name as given here plus yahoo dot com.
> > It had a good effect on me to write all this out - in retrospect, I think 
> > it was the final straw that broke my long-term attachment with the relics 
> > of TM. I wil continue with many good things that we enjoy separately and 
> > together with my wife but this trip is over - I think it has a cult-like 
> > energy.
> > 
> > I re-read parts of this chat that made sense to me and I was thinking maybe 
> > I did not understand part of your post here:
> > 
> > > I'm sensing someone looking for "spiritual" answers to non-spiritual 
> > > problems.  I felt alarmed seeing more gas poured on this fire.  It 
> > > reminds me that our education and health care systems have failed so many 
> > > people.  The desperation that must be behind seeking a relief from 
> > > suffering from random Internet strangers (some stranger than others)is a 
> > > shame. No advice that doesn't match and reinforce the current filters has 
> > > a chance of getting through.>
> > 
> > I hope I reset my filters a lot by NLP training a few years ago. Although I 
> > am sure a lot of stuff will not get through to me - I am sensitive to 
> > style. If you have that kid of advice, I would be happy to read it.
> > 
> > You are absolutely right about the desperation and the orphan status. If TM 
> > were indeed what the initial good experience of some people had promised, 
> > we would have been given plausible and practical advice. I already saw this 
> > around 1985-90 - and that is why I got into reading other explanatory 
> > systems like Zen Buddhism, Carlos Castaneda, other Hindu mystics etc.
> > 
> > As for a spiritual answer for a non-spiritual problem - I keep on wondering 
> > about that. We have various problematic areas in life - health, money, a 
> > difficult history that gets slowly remedied - some of these are highlighted 
> > by the jyotish astrology I do, some not.
> > 
> > The answer I specifically sought here was why certain problems seem to 
> > aggravate in life with meditating with my original mantra? They do not if I 
> > recite other things or just rest. Since I have a long history of g

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader living in Paris with wife and 2 kids

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> > The one thing the right-wingers *don't* do is claim
> > they're saying this stuff just to piss off liberals.
> > They know *nobody* would be stupid enough to believe
> > that.
> >
> But YOU'RE so smart you know what everyone is really
> thinking, don't you Judith. If only folks would simply
> tell the "truth" and agree with you (since you "know"
> they secretly do), instead of constantly lying and
> demonizing, we could all move on.

And you're just saying this to piss me off, right, Geeze?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader living in Paris with wife and 2 kids

[Joe]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > 
> > I got your point but that wasn't what interested me.
> 
> Uh-huh.
> 
> Was what interested you really the notion that I
> wasn't aware till now that Barry claims he says stuff
> just to piss me off?
> 
> Because you and I have been around that block several
> times now. As you know, I don't believe it for a
> nanosecond, at least the "just" part. He also wants
> other readers to take it seriously; and he doesn't do
> it only because he finds it "entertaining," he does it
> because it *enrages* him that I see through him, and
> he has to release some of that anger or he'll
> incinerate himself.
> 
> "Just to piss Judy off" is his *excuse* for constantly
> demonizing me, including all the falsehoods.
> 
> Plus which, of course, he doesn't demonize and tell
> falsehoods *just* about me. The post I was originally
> commenting on was about John. In fact, you'll find
> very, very few posts of his that don't demonize
> somebody or some group. As I said before, that's his
> M.O., that's what he *does* here.
> 
> (You got a little taste of it not long ago regarding
> your views on homeopathy, and you didn't like it much.
> He forgot himself there for a minute, but he backed
> off when you stood up to him; he doesn't want to lose
> one of his few allies here. Unless you think he was
> just having fun pissing *you* off to see how you'd
> react.)
> 
> In any case, Atrios does not, of course, believe for
> a nanosecond that the right-wingers are just trying to
> piss off liberals. Nor does he believe they make stupid
> arguments because *they're* stupid. It's because they
> know there are quite a few people stupid enough to take
> them seriously. If they piss off liberals into the
> bargain, that's a side benefit, but it isn't the goal.
> 
> They *want* people to believe Obama is a "socialist
> ideologue"; they *want* people to believe in "death
> panels"; they *want* people to believe Obama wasn't
> born in the U.S.; they *want* people to believe a big
> snowstorm disproves global warming. They know better,
> but they are confident many among their audience do
> not. In other words, they're unscrupulous, cynical
> liars.
> 
> And so are some of the TM critics on FFL, Barry most
> prominent among them. As with the right-wingers,
> some among the TM critics' audience find their lies
> and demonizations convincing, especially when the
> critics reinforce each other.
> 
> The one thing the right-wingers *don't* do is claim
> they're saying this stuff just to piss off liberals.
> They know *nobody* would be stupid enough to believe
> that.
>
But YOU'RE so smart you know what everyone is really thinking, don't you 
Judith. If only folks would simply tell the "truth" and agree with you (since 
you "know" they secretly do), instead of constantly lying and demonizing, we 
could all move on.

Such a boggle!

[FairfieldLife] Re: please advise me on technique - mantras, experiences

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "janosmelocco"  wrote:

Hi Janosmelocco

I am really the worst person to give advice to you.  I don't share the 
transpersonal or spiritual perspectives that seem to be important to you.  But 
we do share an interest in NLP and Ericksonian hypnosis.  You seem like a guy 
who has really done some hard work on yourself.  I did write some ideas that I 
didn't post when you first logged on.  I just decided that I was not the right 
guy for the job especially with many goodhearted spiritually oriented people 
here.

To clarify what I wrote, I don't believe that one mantra has a different effect 
than another or that it could affect your wife in such a dramatic way.  I would 
keep your search for answers more earthbound.  Frankly when I hear that someone 
is acting "possessed" I immediately think professional mental health care is 
needed.  It could be a serious degenerative condition.  So when I heard some 
people egging you on with different practices it made me think that perhaps you 
were being encouraged to continue down the same road you are on and expecting 
different results.  But you totally proved me wrong about your openness to 
other points of view.  You are actively seeking them out so high five for that.

I found what I was seeking from life outside the spiritual perspective.  I 
found alternative explanations to the subjective states we experience in 
spiritual practices that suit me better.  I can't say the same would be true 
for everyone or that everyone should adapt a secular view of life.  It just 
worked for me. So I have no more advice except perhaps that a new seed is 
needed for a new crop to quote our old friend Maharishi.  In my current point 
of view he was wrong about many many things.  But he sure had that right!

Good luck brother.  I wish you and your family a wonderful life.





>
> curtisdeltablues,
> 
> I am rereading some things that made sense. Actually I did get a few good 
> points of advice, some privately in email - my yahoo address is public here - 
> my name as given here plus yahoo dot com.
> It had a good effect on me to write all this out - in retrospect, I think it 
> was the final straw that broke my long-term attachment with the relics of TM. 
> I wil continue with many good things that we enjoy separately and together 
> with my wife but this trip is over - I think it has a cult-like energy.
> 
> I re-read parts of this chat that made sense to me and I was thinking maybe I 
> did not understand part of your post here:
> 
> > I'm sensing someone looking for "spiritual" answers to non-spiritual 
> > problems.  I felt alarmed seeing more gas poured on this fire.  It reminds 
> > me that our education and health care systems have failed so many people.  
> > The desperation that must be behind seeking a relief from suffering from 
> > random Internet strangers (some stranger than others)is a shame. No advice 
> > that doesn't match and reinforce the current filters has a chance of 
> > getting through.>
> 
> I hope I reset my filters a lot by NLP training a few years ago. Although I 
> am sure a lot of stuff will not get through to me - I am sensitive to style. 
> If you have that kid of advice, I would be happy to read it.
> 
> You are absolutely right about the desperation and the orphan status. If TM 
> were indeed what the initial good experience of some people had promised, we 
> would have been given plausible and practical advice. I already saw this 
> around 1985-90 - and that is why I got into reading other explanatory systems 
> like Zen Buddhism, Carlos Castaneda, other Hindu mystics etc.
> 
> As for a spiritual answer for a non-spiritual problem - I keep on wondering 
> about that. We have various problematic areas in life - health, money, a 
> difficult history that gets slowly remedied - some of these are highlighted 
> by the jyotish astrology I do, some not.
> 
> The answer I specifically sought here was why certain problems seem to 
> aggravate in life with meditating with my original mantra? They do not if I 
> recite other things or just rest. Since I have a long history of good 
> experiences, I was sort of reluctant to not try it again and again. Fine, I 
> thought, maybe after a few years we are ready from the point of view of 
> psychological integration.
> 
> I did get through a period when I did not meditate at all. It was difficult, 
> and I got into the habit of lying down and resting but not at regular times. 
> Sometimes it was very visionary - I even had OBE's - sometimes it was just a 
> nap, sometimes a time for self-healing and sometimes I just got up because I 
> thought working or eating or chi gong or other stuff would be better.
> 
> Because if this is a problem of psychology, finances, sex, inheritance to 
> mention a few prossible areas, it would not matter which mantra I use in 
> meditation - whether you support the idea of meditation or not? Right?
> 
> Let us say that XY is a psychologis

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas: The Ethical Question

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > We've certainly heard of
> > > people paying big bucks for yagyas, the *intent*
> > > of which is to make them...uh...big bucks.
> > 
> > ...and did it work?
> > 
> > You seem to think it a bad thing. Well, I think it a 
> > bad thing only if it doesn't work.
> 
> Is it a Bad Thing if the mechanism by which 
> the yagya buyer became rich is kiddie porn?
> 


Is the Toyota Corolla that the kiddie porn magnate drives evil because he 
bought it with his kiddie porn profits?  Is the computer which made it easier 
for him to post the kiddie porn online evil for facilitating his perversity?


> Is it a Bad Thing if the yagya ensured that
> he became rich as a result of pimping out 
> women to customers such as yourself?
> 



Is the phone company a Bad Thing because their service was used in the setting 
of the appointment to receive her services?



> Is it a Bad Thing if the yagya buyer becomes
> rich by selling his medical expertise and 
> then slipping his patients Ruffies in his
> office so he can have sex with them? (see
> Dr. Harold Bloomfield, one-time TM "poster
> boy")?
> 



The yagya is an innocent tool that reflects the consciousness of the buyer.  As 
with all activities we choose in this life, our karma influences and is 
influenced by the activity we conduct, be it a yagya or walking down the street.




> Is it a Bad Thing if the yagya buyer is Al
> Gore?
> 



Yes.


> Is it a Bad Thing if the yagya purchaser who
> wants to become rich makes his living by tell-
> ing his clients he knows what the investment
> market is going to do when he doesn't have a 
> fuckin' clue (or else he wouldn't still be 
> working as an investment broker)?
> 



Whether he is using a yagya or not, negative karma will get back to him if he 
committed a negative action.  Perhaps the yagya will multiply the negativity 
much faster and more than without the yagya (I'm just speculating I have no 
idea).

I suspect you believe that each yagya should come with a "Larry Kroger" devil 
and angel to sit on your shoulder to clearly spell out which activities the 
yagya should be used for and which ones shouldn't (obscure reference to "Animal 
House").  And because it doesn't you seem to think it isn't worth its salt.

Well, it may not.  I've never performed a yagya myself nor ever had one done 
for me and wouldn't spend more than $25.00 to have one done (and not unless I 
get to see it myself and clearly hear my name invoked during the ceremony so 
that I know I'm getting what I paid for).




> Just questions to ponder, Shemp...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: please advise me on technique - mantras, experiences

[janosmelocco]

To the Finnish person:

Sorry I did not answer your welcoming lines. I was too busy beside working out 
this problem I have my work and family and had a bit of a flu - indeed I hoped 
some meditation would help in the cure (Rife electric healing and Reiki are 
probably more helpful though). Yes, I am Hungarian, and live near Budapest. Our 
language is related. Although my last name as you noticed comes from Italy. And 
my grandmother was German. My daughter studied a little Finn but could not go 
on for administrative reasons.

BTW I do a slightly non-traditional Vedic astrology as a professional - if 
someone wants to check me out, they can find my web site at 
http://melocco.nnx.hu

Thank you for all for reading, commenting and providing me with resources - I 
will keep Joanna Neff in mind as well.

To all:
I AM CHECKING OUT OF THIS THREAD AND WILL ONLY LOOK AT MY YAHOO MAIL.

[FairfieldLife] The Yoga Portfolio Outtakes | vanityfair.com

[eustace10679]

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/06/yoga_slideshow200706#slide=1

More photos and info at the June 2007 issue of Vanity Fair.

[FairfieldLife] Re: please advise me on technique - mantras, experiences

[janosmelocco]

curtisdeltablues,

I am rereading some things that made sense. Actually I did get a few good 
points of advice, some privately in email - my yahoo address is public here - 
my name as given here plus yahoo dot com.
It had a good effect on me to write all this out - in retrospect, I think it 
was the final straw that broke my long-term attachment with the relics of TM. I 
wil continue with many good things that we enjoy separately and together with 
my wife but this trip is over - I think it has a cult-like energy.

I re-read parts of this chat that made sense to me and I was thinking maybe I 
did not understand part of your post here:

> I'm sensing someone looking for "spiritual" answers to non-spiritual 
> problems.  I felt alarmed seeing more gas poured on this fire.  It reminds me 
> that our education and health care systems have failed so many people.  The 
> desperation that must be behind seeking a relief from suffering from random 
> Internet strangers (some stranger than others)is a shame. No advice that 
> doesn't match and reinforce the current filters has a chance of getting 
> through.>

I hope I reset my filters a lot by NLP training a few years ago. Although I am 
sure a lot of stuff will not get through to me - I am sensitive to style. If 
you have that kid of advice, I would be happy to read it.

You are absolutely right about the desperation and the orphan status. If TM 
were indeed what the initial good experience of some people had promised, we 
would have been given plausible and practical advice. I already saw this around 
1985-90 - and that is why I got into reading other explanatory systems like Zen 
Buddhism, Carlos Castaneda, other Hindu mystics etc.

As for a spiritual answer for a non-spiritual problem - I keep on wondering 
about that. We have various problematic areas in life - health, money, a 
difficult history that gets slowly remedied - some of these are highlighted by 
the jyotish astrology I do, some not.

The answer I specifically sought here was why certain problems seem to 
aggravate in life with meditating with my original mantra? They do not if I 
recite other things or just rest. Since I have a long history of good 
experiences, I was sort of reluctant to not try it again and again. Fine, I 
thought, maybe after a few years we are ready from the point of view of 
psychological integration.

I did get through a period when I did not meditate at all. It was difficult, 
and I got into the habit of lying down and resting but not at regular times. 
Sometimes it was very visionary - I even had OBE's - sometimes it was just a 
nap, sometimes a time for self-healing and sometimes I just got up because I 
thought working or eating or chi gong or other stuff would be better.

Because if this is a problem of psychology, finances, sex, inheritance to 
mention a few prossible areas, it would not matter which mantra I use in 
meditation - whether you support the idea of meditation or not? Right?

Let us say that XY is a psychologist who (unlike our friend) is deeply 
suspicious about the entire affair and looks at it as mere escapism. They would 
not single out a technique, and even something within that... Maybe they think 
TM is a way o sublimating sexual energy or sg like that. OK. Then what is the 
difference if I repeat a Buddhist mantra or just sit Zen-like?

When I do Ericksonian trance for others, and I can see they relax really, I 
know they are in a similar place, and sometimes I even let them stay there for 
a while before I call them out, and on occasion this has drawn me into it - in 
a sort of guarded way I drifted away for a few minutes resting when the client 
was at his/her deepest part. None of this, although experiences very similar to 
TM, have EVER produced the evil effect I was asking about. Life was normal 
afterwards, usually better, since I was subjectively better, feeling a sense of 
satisfaction about my work. But if my wife had some problem, she still had it, 
not worse and not better than before my experience with my client. However, 
with TM, I meditated upstairs and she got into a weird mood downstairs - right 
the opposite of the Maharishi effect.

We had a classic day of bad timing, weird energies. Later I realized "oops, I 
meditated again the same way, no wonder" - and in a few hours we worked 
ourselves out of this.

Of course, if my marriage was cloudless to start with, the whole would have 
been different. As it is, this Hellinger-style psychologist (Hellinger is 
"spatial modeling of unconscious contents" using a group, with different rules 
for different folks) that put forward this observation has indeed helped me and 
my wife a lot. It was years ago that the TM technique started to change for me, 
it did so gradually. If it worked as it did 15 years ago, I would not have 
wanted to stop. As it is, I was divided. Part of me wanted to stop altogether 
and practice something wholly different.

I think I did put together something these day

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas: The Ethical Question

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:


> So, I'd say that the majority of the current respondents 
> think that TM works pretty good. Were you thinking you 
> were in the majority, Curtis? If so, exactly what faction
> are you thinking you should be grouped with - 'the singers
> that no longer meditate'?

Well if you want to take that small a self selected groups (post on FFL) why 
stop there?  Just use your own experience and declare it a consensus opinion.  
Now if you broke it down further you would find that many of the people you are 
counting don't do TM anymore.  And given their long term involvement this is 
significant.  But if you want to go purely by the numbers even of people who 
have tried TM, only a tiny percentage stick with it.  The vast majority are 
what some here disparagingly refer to as "quitters."

So enjoy your TM Richard.  And I'll enjoy my non TM.  But don't try to sell 
your involvement as representing some consensus opinion about how great TM is.  
Isn't it good enough that it is great for you? 

But quite frankly non TM meditators ARE the majority in the world Richard.  You 
aren't seriously confused about that are you?

Consensus has never been the strongest FOR TM argument.  But don't worry, most 
people eat shitty fast food, so there is nothing wrong with a small group of 
people claiming to have found something they believe is special.

But wait a second, I thought in Richard world everyone is always meditating 
just by thinking.  So I guess by your logic you DO have the consensus!  Go 
figure! 


>
> 
> 
> > > Who would you believe:
> > > 
> > > Someone standing on the corner, who said no big blue 
> > > bus just drove by,
> > > 
> > > or,
> > > 
> > > A large group of people, standing on the same corner,
> > > who said that a big blue bus just drove by.
> > >
> Curtis:
> > I don't think you want to invoke consensus opinion here 
> > do you?
> >
> The only informant that doesn't seem to meditate is Alex, 
> but even he finds himself living next to the Golden Dome. 
> 
> Sal must have seen a 'big blue bus' go by, but she failed 
> to stay aboard for only a few blocks. Apparently she got 
> off the bus after arriving in Fairfield. Go figure.
> 
> So, let's break it down.
> 
> Turq obviously still meditates - he claimed to be sitting 
> with some Buddhists in Spain recently. Vaj obviously is 
> deep into meditation, being a member of a Nath sect. 
> 
> BillG, Lawson, Erik, and Judy are by their own testimony, 
> still meditators, as are Rick, Doug, Tom, Steve, John M. 
> and John Jr.
> 
> So, it seems like the only informants who didn't see a 
> big blue bus were Hugo and Curtis, who saw the bus, 
> before they didn't see it. 
> 
> It hasn't been established if any of the annonymous trolls 
> posting here even know what meditation is. 
> 
> So, I'd say that the majority of the current respondents 
> think that TM works pretty good. Were you thinking you 
> were in the majority, Curtis? If so, exactly what faction
> are you thinking you should be grouped with - 'the singers
> that no longer meditate'?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader living in Paris with wife and 2 kids

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > You've given too much thought on this topic to just blow it
> > > off so I'll dig in.
> > 
> > Well, I suppose you've given a lot of thought to
> > what you wrote, but since all of it tiptoed carefully
> > around what interests me without addressing any of it,
> > I *am* going to just blow it off.
> 
> Oh, getting me back?

"Getting you back" for what? "Digging in"??

> Nice work, we almost had a discussion on topics of
> MUTUAL interest.

Au contraire, Pierre. My sole interest here was the
similarity in tactics of right-wingers and some of
the FFL TM critics.



> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > I got your point but that wasn't what interested me.
> > > > 
> > > > Uh-huh.
> > > > 
> > > > Was what interested you really the notion that I
> > > > wasn't aware till now that Barry claims he says stuff
> > > > just to piss me off?
> > > 
> > > Whatever I wrote about was what interested me.  This is not the best area 
> > > to challenge because it deals with my own interests and I am unlikely to 
> > > conclude that you might have more knowledge about this than I do.  I 
> > > suspect that some of the things her writes fall in this category but I'm 
> > > sure he has lots of different motivations for what he writes.  You seem 
> > > more interested in speculating on what those other motives are than I am.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Because you and I have been around that block several
> > > > times now. As you know, I don't believe it for a
> > > > nanosecond, at least the "just" part. He also wants
> > > > other readers to take it seriously; and he doesn't do
> > > > it only because he finds it "entertaining," he does it
> > > > because it *enrages* him that I see through him, and
> > > > he has to release some of that anger or he'll
> > > > incinerate himself.
> > > > 
> > > > "Just to piss Judy off" is his *excuse* for constantly
> > > > demonizing me, including all the falsehoods.
> > > 
> > > I think I understand what your POV is on this.  I'm not sure about your 
> > > conclusions about his internal state, but you are welcome to them.  From 
> > > outside it doesn't seem much deeper than that you don't like each other 
> > > and have decided not to find anything to like. So you end up as cartoon 
> > > people to each other, all bad, all good.  You and I bounce off each other 
> > > frequently but I don't only think of you one way.  I try to focus on the 
> > > parts of our interaction that work for me.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Plus which, of course, he doesn't demonize and tell
> > > > falsehoods *just* about me. The post I was originally
> > > > commenting on was about John. In fact, you'll find
> > > > very, very few posts of his that don't demonize
> > > > somebody or some group. As I said before, that's his
> > > > M.O., that's what he *does* here.
> > > 
> > > I admit to not being up on all your falsehood perspective on Barry's 
> > > posts. That analysis of yours is not the most interesting angle for me.  
> > > I know you think it should be everyone's big interest here but it just 
> > > isn't the most interesting way to approach this board for me.  I get the 
> > > least out of those kinds of discussions.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > (You got a little taste of it not long ago regarding
> > > > your views on homeopathy, and you didn't like it much.
> > > > He forgot himself there for a minute, but he backed
> > > > off when you stood up to him; he doesn't want to lose
> > > > one of his few allies here. Unless you think he was
> > > > just having fun pissing *you* off to see how you'd
> > > > react.)
> > > 
> > > I thought he was being cranky that day.  But he doesn't have to cultivate 
> > > me as an ally or worry about expressing anger or strong disagreement with 
> > > me.  I feel confident that we can work it out or at least move on.  I 
> > > take people post by post and try not to come in with too much baggage.  
> > > That is also the strategy that works best for me interacting with you 
> > > here.  Every post is the first post as best as I can manage that 
> > > perspective.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > In any case, Atrios does not, of course, believe for
> > > > a nanosecond that the right-wingers are just trying to
> > > > piss off liberals. Nor does he believe they make stupid
> > > > arguments because *they're* stupid. It's because they
> > > > know there are quite a few people stupid enough to take
> > > > them seriously. If they piss off liberals into the
> > > > bargain, that's a side benefit, but it isn't the goal.
> > > 
> > > This is getting interesting.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > They *want* people to believe Obama 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas: The Ethical Question

[WillyTex]

> > Who would you believe:
> > 
> > Someone standing on the corner, who said no big blue 
> > bus just drove by,
> > 
> > or,
> > 
> > A large group of people, standing on the same corner,
> > who said that a big blue bus just drove by.
> >
Curtis:
> I don't think you want to invoke consensus opinion here 
> do you?
>
The only informant that doesn't seem to meditate is Alex, 
but even he finds himself living next to the Golden Dome. 

Sal must have seen a 'big blue bus' go by, but she failed 
to stay aboard for only a few blocks. Apparently she got 
off the bus after arriving in Fairfield. Go figure.

So, let's break it down.

Turq obviously still meditates - he claimed to be sitting 
with some Buddhists in Spain recently. Vaj obviously is 
deep into meditation, being a member of a Nath sect. 

BillG, Lawson, Erik, and Judy are by their own testimony, 
still meditators, as are Rick, Doug, Tom, Steve, John M. 
and John Jr.

So, it seems like the only informants who didn't see a 
big blue bus were Hugo and Curtis, who saw the bus, 
before they didn't see it. 

It hasn't been established if any of the annonymous trolls 
posting here even know what meditation is. 

So, I'd say that the majority of the current respondents 
think that TM works pretty good. Were you thinking you 
were in the majority, Curtis? If so, exactly what faction
are you thinking you should be grouped with - 'the singers
that no longer meditate'?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas: The Ethical Question

[WillyTex]

> > If 'karma' was a law of physics, then good people 
> > that do good things would be rewarded; and bad 
> > people that do bad things would be punished. 
> > 
> > But we both know that physics doesn't work like
> > this, Hugo. The question you're trying to answer
> > is 'What makes acts right'? That's a subjective
> > evaluation based on personal ethics, not science.
> >
Hugo:
> You can continue to pretend you don't understand
> the point I'm making until the end of time Willy,
> or maybe you just don't want to think about it...
>
So, you're thinking that a physical act, like a Hindu 
yagya, has an ethical component.

How would an ethical principle get mixed up with a
physical act? You seem to be in an ethical dilemma, 
Hugo.

Are you now going to claim that actions can have a
moral consequence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical dilemma

[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Louis! Chat Summary - Raja Rogers, Raja Luis

[Buck]

> 
> 09 February 
> Dear,
> This evening was an evening of Total Knowledge and wonderful news. 
> Raja Rogers reminded us that Maharishi said 'My work is done', 
>and that the change in world consciousness IS happening. Whether the >change 
>continues more smoothly, or less so, depends on our >contribution (â€") 
>creating groups of Yogic Flyers, teaching TM and >all Maharishi's programmes. 

>He summarized that we need to be strong 
>on the programme, take advantage of all the modalities Maharishi >gave us, 
>have good daily routine and organic diet, avoid straining >unnecessarily as it 
>increases ageing and slows evolution, and Be in >the Self.
> 
> Raja Rogers finished by saying now that Maharishi is not with us >physically 
> the only place we can find him is everywhere â€" in our >own Self-referral 
> consciousness.


O when shall I see Jesus
And reign with Him above,
And from the flowing fountain
Drink ever lasting love?

(refrain)
I'm on my way to Canaan,
I'm on my way to Canaan,
I'm on my way to Canaan,
To the new Jerusalem.

When shall I be delivered
>From this vain world of sin,
And with my blessed Jesus, 
Drink endless pleasures in?

(refrain)

But now I am a soldier,
My Captain's gone before;
He's given me my orders, 
And bids me not give o'er. 

(refrain) 

A Beautiful ageless meditator hymn.
Hear the tune at:

http://shapenote.net/82t.htm

  


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader living in Paris with wife and 2 kids

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > 
> > You've given too much thought on this topic to just blow it
> > off so I'll dig in.
> 
> Well, I suppose you've given a lot of thought to
> what you wrote, but since all of it tiptoed carefully
> around what interests me without addressing any of it,
> I *am* going to just blow it off.

Oh, getting me back?  Nice work, we almost had a discussion on topics of MUTUAL 
interest.




> 
> 
> > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I got your point but that wasn't what interested me.
> > > 
> > > Uh-huh.
> > > 
> > > Was what interested you really the notion that I
> > > wasn't aware till now that Barry claims he says stuff
> > > just to piss me off?
> > 
> > Whatever I wrote about was what interested me.  This is not the best area 
> > to challenge because it deals with my own interests and I am unlikely to 
> > conclude that you might have more knowledge about this than I do.  I 
> > suspect that some of the things her writes fall in this category but I'm 
> > sure he has lots of different motivations for what he writes.  You seem 
> > more interested in speculating on what those other motives are than I am.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Because you and I have been around that block several
> > > times now. As you know, I don't believe it for a
> > > nanosecond, at least the "just" part. He also wants
> > > other readers to take it seriously; and he doesn't do
> > > it only because he finds it "entertaining," he does it
> > > because it *enrages* him that I see through him, and
> > > he has to release some of that anger or he'll
> > > incinerate himself.
> > > 
> > > "Just to piss Judy off" is his *excuse* for constantly
> > > demonizing me, including all the falsehoods.
> > 
> > I think I understand what your POV is on this.  I'm not sure about your 
> > conclusions about his internal state, but you are welcome to them.  From 
> > outside it doesn't seem much deeper than that you don't like each other and 
> > have decided not to find anything to like. So you end up as cartoon people 
> > to each other, all bad, all good.  You and I bounce off each other 
> > frequently but I don't only think of you one way.  I try to focus on the 
> > parts of our interaction that work for me.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Plus which, of course, he doesn't demonize and tell
> > > falsehoods *just* about me. The post I was originally
> > > commenting on was about John. In fact, you'll find
> > > very, very few posts of his that don't demonize
> > > somebody or some group. As I said before, that's his
> > > M.O., that's what he *does* here.
> > 
> > I admit to not being up on all your falsehood perspective on Barry's posts. 
> > That analysis of yours is not the most interesting angle for me.  I know 
> > you think it should be everyone's big interest here but it just isn't the 
> > most interesting way to approach this board for me.  I get the least out of 
> > those kinds of discussions.
> > 
> > > 
> > > (You got a little taste of it not long ago regarding
> > > your views on homeopathy, and you didn't like it much.
> > > He forgot himself there for a minute, but he backed
> > > off when you stood up to him; he doesn't want to lose
> > > one of his few allies here. Unless you think he was
> > > just having fun pissing *you* off to see how you'd
> > > react.)
> > 
> > I thought he was being cranky that day.  But he doesn't have to cultivate 
> > me as an ally or worry about expressing anger or strong disagreement with 
> > me.  I feel confident that we can work it out or at least move on.  I take 
> > people post by post and try not to come in with too much baggage.  That is 
> > also the strategy that works best for me interacting with you here.  Every 
> > post is the first post as best as I can manage that perspective.
> > 
> > > 
> > > In any case, Atrios does not, of course, believe for
> > > a nanosecond that the right-wingers are just trying to
> > > piss off liberals. Nor does he believe they make stupid
> > > arguments because *they're* stupid. It's because they
> > > know there are quite a few people stupid enough to take
> > > them seriously. If they piss off liberals into the
> > > bargain, that's a side benefit, but it isn't the goal.
> > 
> > This is getting interesting.
> > 
> > > 
> > > They *want* people to believe Obama is a "socialist
> > > ideologue"; they *want* people to believe in "death
> > > panels"; they *want* people to believe Obama wasn't
> > > born in the U.S.; they *want* people to believe a big
> > > snowstorm disproves global warming. They know better,
> > > but they are confident many among their audience do
> > > not. In other words, they're unscrupulous, cynical
> > > liars.
> > 
> > This is an area of mystery whenever I talk with my otherwise brilliant 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader living in Paris with wife and 2 kids

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> You've given too much thought on this topic to just blow it
> off so I'll dig in.

Well, I suppose you've given a lot of thought to
what you wrote, but since all of it tiptoed carefully
around what interests me without addressing any of it,
I *am* going to just blow it off.


> >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > I got your point but that wasn't what interested me.
> > 
> > Uh-huh.
> > 
> > Was what interested you really the notion that I
> > wasn't aware till now that Barry claims he says stuff
> > just to piss me off?
> 
> Whatever I wrote about was what interested me.  This is not the best area to 
> challenge because it deals with my own interests and I am unlikely to 
> conclude that you might have more knowledge about this than I do.  I suspect 
> that some of the things her writes fall in this category but I'm sure he has 
> lots of different motivations for what he writes.  You seem more interested 
> in speculating on what those other motives are than I am.
> 
> > 
> > Because you and I have been around that block several
> > times now. As you know, I don't believe it for a
> > nanosecond, at least the "just" part. He also wants
> > other readers to take it seriously; and he doesn't do
> > it only because he finds it "entertaining," he does it
> > because it *enrages* him that I see through him, and
> > he has to release some of that anger or he'll
> > incinerate himself.
> > 
> > "Just to piss Judy off" is his *excuse* for constantly
> > demonizing me, including all the falsehoods.
> 
> I think I understand what your POV is on this.  I'm not sure about your 
> conclusions about his internal state, but you are welcome to them.  From 
> outside it doesn't seem much deeper than that you don't like each other and 
> have decided not to find anything to like. So you end up as cartoon people to 
> each other, all bad, all good.  You and I bounce off each other frequently 
> but I don't only think of you one way.  I try to focus on the parts of our 
> interaction that work for me.
> 
> > 
> > Plus which, of course, he doesn't demonize and tell
> > falsehoods *just* about me. The post I was originally
> > commenting on was about John. In fact, you'll find
> > very, very few posts of his that don't demonize
> > somebody or some group. As I said before, that's his
> > M.O., that's what he *does* here.
> 
> I admit to not being up on all your falsehood perspective on Barry's posts. 
> That analysis of yours is not the most interesting angle for me.  I know you 
> think it should be everyone's big interest here but it just isn't the most 
> interesting way to approach this board for me.  I get the least out of those 
> kinds of discussions.
> 
> > 
> > (You got a little taste of it not long ago regarding
> > your views on homeopathy, and you didn't like it much.
> > He forgot himself there for a minute, but he backed
> > off when you stood up to him; he doesn't want to lose
> > one of his few allies here. Unless you think he was
> > just having fun pissing *you* off to see how you'd
> > react.)
> 
> I thought he was being cranky that day.  But he doesn't have to cultivate me 
> as an ally or worry about expressing anger or strong disagreement with me.  I 
> feel confident that we can work it out or at least move on.  I take people 
> post by post and try not to come in with too much baggage.  That is also the 
> strategy that works best for me interacting with you here.  Every post is the 
> first post as best as I can manage that perspective.
> 
> > 
> > In any case, Atrios does not, of course, believe for
> > a nanosecond that the right-wingers are just trying to
> > piss off liberals. Nor does he believe they make stupid
> > arguments because *they're* stupid. It's because they
> > know there are quite a few people stupid enough to take
> > them seriously. If they piss off liberals into the
> > bargain, that's a side benefit, but it isn't the goal.
> 
> This is getting interesting.
> 
> > 
> > They *want* people to believe Obama is a "socialist
> > ideologue"; they *want* people to believe in "death
> > panels"; they *want* people to believe Obama wasn't
> > born in the U.S.; they *want* people to believe a big
> > snowstorm disproves global warming. They know better,
> > but they are confident many among their audience do
> > not. In other words, they're unscrupulous, cynical
> > liars.
> 
> This is an area of mystery whenever I talk with my otherwise brilliant Dad 
> about politics or anyone who lives on the Fox News perspective.  I think it 
> is case by case.  Guys like Glen Beck are cynically rabble rousing for 
> ratings IMO.  I don't believe his schtick.  I think Palin is a shitty thinker 
> and does believe what she says but with zero analysis or depth.  She seems to 
> say things for reaction and feeds off of that r

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas: The Ethical Question

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> Dear Curt,

Should I be addressing you as Dou?
 
> you don't know, is just my experience.

You've "experienced" judgment day?  You know the difference between believe 
something really really hard and "experience" right?  I know when you talk with 
a TM person using the word "experience" has epistemological clout. But I see 
people misinterpreting what they experience all the time. I do too.  And 
beliefs like what happens after death are not experience based unless you had 
brains for lunch today. 
  
> Been there done that. So will you.

Been where done what?  How do you know where I've been and what I've done?  You 
are asserting a superior level of an unrevealed experience. Can I substitute 
the word vague whenever you use the word spiritual? 
   
> & I ain't no quitter neither.

OK but you know that is only a virtue depending on what you are not a quitter 
of?  There is another name for people who don't quit things that aren't working.

> Be good, make use of your time.

A little condescending but OK.  Thanks for the fortune cookie advice.  

> Best of Good luck,

Even the worst of good luck is still good luck right?

> -Buck

?  Does this mean I am not interacting with you Doug but some adopted persona? 
Did Doug die and come back from the grave to let us all know the value of life 
and how we will be judged when we die?  Is Buck an entity that has entered 
Doug's body and although it is now acting all goody goody as soon as it gets 
into the armory it is going to stock up on firepower and let loose it's 
spiritual jihad on the unbelievers?

Inquiring minds want to know.


>



>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >  
> > > Tex, on Judgement Day.  Would be uncomforatble being in Turq's or Curt's 
> > > shoes.  Especially Curt's being a spiritual quitter.
> > > 
> > 
> > I know I earned this by making fun of a bunch of educated Americans 
> > promoting a magical belief in a mythological creature as if this were the 
> > 1300's.  I deserved this.  But that awareness of the limits of my justified 
> > self-righteousness won't stop me from responding.  Just know that I am 
> > aware that I was being a bit of a dick in mocking the Shiva party.
> > 
> > Now on to the show: 
> > 
> >snip< 
> > 
> > You have no more idea than I do what will happen when we die,what you so 
> > dramatically call "judgment day."  As a non spiritual person I admit that. 
> > As a so called "spiritual" person you are front'n as if you do.  But it 
> > doesn't fool me.  I know you are just accepting a pre-fab explanation 
> > instead of facing the honest mystery and uncertainty of life.
> > 
> > So who is the "quitter" now?
> > 
> > 
> 
> Dear Curt, 
> you don't know, is just my experience.  
> Been there done that. So will you.   
> & I ain't no quitter neither.
> Be good, make use of your time.
> Best of Good luck,
> -Buck
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader living in Paris with wife and 2 kids

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

You've given too much thought on this topic to just blow it off so I'll dig in.
>
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > 
> > I got your point but that wasn't what interested me.
> 
> Uh-huh.
> 
> Was what interested you really the notion that I
> wasn't aware till now that Barry claims he says stuff
> just to piss me off?

Whatever I wrote about was what interested me.  This is not the best area to 
challenge because it deals with my own interests and I am unlikely to conclude 
that you might have more knowledge about this than I do.  I suspect that some 
of the things her writes fall in this category but I'm sure he has lots of 
different motivations for what he writes.  You seem more interested in 
speculating on what those other motives are than I am.

> 
> Because you and I have been around that block several
> times now. As you know, I don't believe it for a
> nanosecond, at least the "just" part. He also wants
> other readers to take it seriously; and he doesn't do
> it only because he finds it "entertaining," he does it
> because it *enrages* him that I see through him, and
> he has to release some of that anger or he'll
> incinerate himself.
> 
> "Just to piss Judy off" is his *excuse* for constantly
> demonizing me, including all the falsehoods.

I think I understand what your POV is on this.  I'm not sure about your 
conclusions about his internal state, but you are welcome to them.  From 
outside it doesn't seem much deeper than that you don't like each other and 
have decided not to find anything to like. So you end up as cartoon people to 
each other, all bad, all good.  You and I bounce off each other frequently but 
I don't only think of you one way.  I try to focus on the parts of our 
interaction that work for me.

> 
> Plus which, of course, he doesn't demonize and tell
> falsehoods *just* about me. The post I was originally
> commenting on was about John. In fact, you'll find
> very, very few posts of his that don't demonize
> somebody or some group. As I said before, that's his
> M.O., that's what he *does* here.

I admit to not being up on all your falsehood perspective on Barry's posts. 
That analysis of yours is not the most interesting angle for me.  I know you 
think it should be everyone's big interest here but it just isn't the most 
interesting way to approach this board for me.  I get the least out of those 
kinds of discussions.

> 
> (You got a little taste of it not long ago regarding
> your views on homeopathy, and you didn't like it much.
> He forgot himself there for a minute, but he backed
> off when you stood up to him; he doesn't want to lose
> one of his few allies here. Unless you think he was
> just having fun pissing *you* off to see how you'd
> react.)

I thought he was being cranky that day.  But he doesn't have to cultivate me as 
an ally or worry about expressing anger or strong disagreement with me.  I feel 
confident that we can work it out or at least move on.  I take people post by 
post and try not to come in with too much baggage.  That is also the strategy 
that works best for me interacting with you here.  Every post is the first post 
as best as I can manage that perspective.

> 
> In any case, Atrios does not, of course, believe for
> a nanosecond that the right-wingers are just trying to
> piss off liberals. Nor does he believe they make stupid
> arguments because *they're* stupid. It's because they
> know there are quite a few people stupid enough to take
> them seriously. If they piss off liberals into the
> bargain, that's a side benefit, but it isn't the goal.

This is getting interesting.

> 
> They *want* people to believe Obama is a "socialist
> ideologue"; they *want* people to believe in "death
> panels"; they *want* people to believe Obama wasn't
> born in the U.S.; they *want* people to believe a big
> snowstorm disproves global warming. They know better,
> but they are confident many among their audience do
> not. In other words, they're unscrupulous, cynical
> liars.

This is an area of mystery whenever I talk with my otherwise brilliant Dad 
about politics or anyone who lives on the Fox News perspective.  I think it is 
case by case.  Guys like Glen Beck are cynically rabble rousing for ratings 
IMO.  I don't believe his schtick.  I think Palin is a shitty thinker and does 
believe what she says but with zero analysis or depth.  She seems to say things 
for reaction and feeds off of that rather than really analyzing anything she is 
saying.  She parrots phrases and watches how people respond.  Hannity seems to 
be a good match for your analysis.  But I'm pretty sure that they are all just 
preaching to the choir.  Although I will be sadly mistaken if they vote Obama 
out next election based on their propaganda campaign.  They have mastered a 
unified message even though the message is mostly anathema for people on the 
right I have respect for l

Re: [FairfieldLife] Republicans on Wrong Side of Public Opinion

[Sal Sunshine]

On Feb 9, 2010, at 1:17 PM, do.rflex wrote:
> 
> Republicans -- Not Obama -- More Often on Wrong Side of Public Opinion 

Now there's a shocker.

Sal

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Draupadi's Marriage

[BillyG]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> To All:
> 
> The marriage of Draupadi to five brothers, including Arjuna the hero of the 
> Mahabharata, is a symbol of how our five senses are intimately connected with 
> our love affairs. In this regard, the panchamsha chart shows how the five 
> elements, signifying the senses, are distributed to satisfy both the man and 
> woman in a given marriage relationship. Knowing these relationships, one can 
> understand one's needs and the lover's desires for a lasting and rewarding 
> marriage union.
> 
> In a deeper scheme of things, these five elements have a common basis in the 
> unified field, the bliss or soma that permeates the entire universe. As such, 
> the Rig Veda sings for posterity that for those who are not familiar with 
> this bliss, what can It do for him?

Here's some more:

"She put a condition for her marriage. She would wed the prince who would 
pierce the eye of the rotating wooden fish by looking at its reflection."

Drupaudi is symbolic in Vyasa's great masterpiece of kula-kundalini;  when she 
'rises' UP the 'wooden pole supporting the fish' she 'marries' each chakra in 
turn, each chakra is represented by one Pandu and each Pandu bequeaths the 
aspirant or jiva  a particular power associated with that chakra;  Arjuna being 
self control.

Piercing the eye of the wooden fish is symbolic of opening the third eye or 
Ajna chakra, which is the 6th chakra and the first state of enlightenment 
(Savikalpa Samadhi)

Source for story below:

http://www.boloji.com/mahabharata/10.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans on Wrong Side of Public Opinion

[WillyTex]

do:
> "...looks at 25 issues that President Obama has 
> "made an affirmative effort to push forward since 
> taking office a year ago" and and summarized public 
> opinion data on each of them.
> 
Yeah, the Obama Administration is vindicating Bush 
antiterror policy!

"...the Administration has tried to break from its 
predecessors on several big antiterror issues, and 
it is on those that it is suffering the humiliation 
of having to walk back from its own righteous 
declarations. This is Dick Cheney's revenge."

Read more:

'Cheney's Revenge'
Wall Street Journal, February 9, 2010
http://tinyurl.com/yb4eq3u

[FairfieldLife] Raja Louis! Chat Summary - Raja Rogers, Raja Luis

[Rick Archer]

09 February 
Dear,
This evening was an evening of Total Knowledge and wonderful news. 
Raja Rogers reminded us that Maharishi said ‘My work is done’, and that the 
change in world consciousness IS happening. Whether the change continues more 
smoothly, or less so, depends on our contribution – creating groups of Yogic 
Flyers, teaching TM and all Maharishi’s programmes. He summarized that we need 
to be strong on the programme, take advantage of all the modalities Maharishi 
gave us, have good daily routine and organic diet, avoid straining 
unnecessarily as it increases ageing and slows evolution, and Be in the Self. 
Raja Rogers finished by saying now that Maharishi is not with us physically the 
only place we can find him is everywhere – in our own Self-referral 
consciousness. 
Raja Luis reviewed Maharishi’s address to the Rajas after their coronation 5 
years ago, in which Maharishi said he had found the need to enliven the 
administrating intelligence of the universe in human society. The first 
principle for creating Rajas had been to undo, reverse, their tendencies; men 
of action had to undo all doing so they could hold the reins of administration 
from the field of silence. Administering from silence was the only way to 
fulfil all the desires of all the people. 
Raja Luis said nothing can compare with Maharishi’s intention and the reality 
of his creating the system of Vedic administration to handle all the needs of 
society from the field of silence. 
Raja Luis also brought two outstanding pieces of news: firstly that the 
military in one country has 3,000 soldiers beginning the TM Sidhi programme as 
a prevention wing. This will begin to dismantle the destructive intelligence 
embodied in the military, which is a requirement for full the invincibility of 
any country. Secondly, another country has decided to implement 
Consciousness-Based Education throughout the entire school system. 
These are examples of the infinite organizing power of Natural Law rising to 
administer society and bless all nations with invincibility. 
Jai Guru Dev 
Coming tomorrow: Raja Paul, Raja Michael 
Visit   the Maharishi's 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas: The Ethical Question

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> 
> So -- ignoring the fact that yagyas probably "work"
> the same way that Voodoo does...not at all -- isn't
> there an *ethical* question in commissioning them?
> 
> It's the same ethical question I see in such New
> Age trips as "The Secret" and "The Law Of Attraction."
> The *assumption* behind such practices and beliefs
> is that it's **OK** to perform or commission a ritual
> to make your own *intent* manifest. Even if doing so
> might affect others. Sometimes *especially* if doing
> so might affect others.
> 
> So, assuming that you are a prospective customer for
> a Maharishi(tm) Yagya. You've got the money, and you
> have an *intent* -- a personal desire, something that
> *you* want to see happen -- going for you. Do you have
> the RIGHT to pay little brown boys to "make" that 
> *intent* happen for you? Even if it's all fantasy and 
> nothing they chant does anything more than lighting
> a Give-me-a-more-MoFo-Mojo Voodoo candle would?
> 
> I guess my point is that there seems to be a huge New
> Age culture building around the perceived RIGHT to "Do
> unto others whatever is necessary to do unto me what
> I want done." Besides the fact that such practices 
> would *strengthen* and make more rigid the "self" that
> so desperately *wants* things that it's willing to pay
> big bucks and manipulate others to get them, I see an 
> ethical question here. Does anyone else?
>


Well certainly Turq,
Should not there be moral cause?

Take the case of that Barry White guy, stalking the internet, blogs & traveling 
goes to obstruct at public hearings. The consummate anti-meditation 
non-meditator who works his will towards derailing broader spirituality.  & 
then just look at the science from all corners on meditation.  It's become the 
modern mandate that would be a communal imperative- an imperative  to do 
something about that guy, in all our Self-defense.  Against an obstinate 
anti-spiritual, would you rather just a puja or a fatwa for a greater good of 
this guy?  In virtue, a communal moral imperative cries out spiritually.  
You'll help us won't you?

-Buck

[FairfieldLife] Iowa - The Tea Party in Context

[do.rflex]

Matt Yglesias
  puts yesterday's poll
which showed
  33% of Iowans support the "tea party" movement into
context, noting that "38% of Americans have a favorable view of Cuba and
36% are favorably disposed toward socialism, but I don't see anyone
writing newspaper articles about how a populist wave of socialism is
sweeping the country."

"The number of Iowans who like the tea party movement is smaller than
the number of Americans who want marijuana legalized or the number of
Americans who believe the government has had secret contact with
extra-terrestrials."
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/02/09/the_tea_party_in_context.ht\
ml#ixzz0f4yFpXFE



See also:  Poll: Tea Party candidates come in last

USA TODAY - Days after Sarah Palin headlined the nation's first Tea
Party convention, a Rasmussen Reports poll released today shows that a
generic "Tea Party candidate" would come in third in a theoretical
three-way congressional contest.

The poll found that 36% of voters would support a Democratic candidate
on a generic ballot, 25% would back the Republican and 17% would go for
the Tea Party pick. Twenty-three percent of respondents are undecided.

In early December, the same poll showed the Tea Party in second place
and the GOP in third. Unchanged between the polls, according to
Rasmussen, is that 41% of voters have a favorable view of the
conservative movement.

The poll of 1,000 likely voters was taken Feb. 7-8, just after the
national Tea Party convention in Nashville. The survey has a margin of
error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

http://snipurl.com/ubjg2   [content_usatoday_com]

[FairfieldLife] Draupadi's Marriage

[John]

To All:

The marriage of Draupadi to five brothers, including Arjuna the hero of the 
Mahabharata, is a symbol of how our five senses are intimately connected with 
our love affairs. In this regard, the panchamsha chart shows how the five 
elements, signifying the senses, are distributed to satisfy both the man and 
woman in a given marriage relationship. Knowing these relationships, one can 
understand one's needs and the lover's desires for a lasting and rewarding 
marriage union.

In a deeper scheme of things, these five elements have a common basis in the 
unified field, the bliss or soma that permeates the entire universe. As such, 
the Rig Veda sings for posterity that for those who are not familiar with this 
bliss, what can It do for him?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Home Schooling in Texas

[Mike Dixon]

It's not important at all, to me, how Obama pronounces anything. I just find it 
amusing how people and the media can pursue attacking someones personal flaws 
if they are a political enemy, but say nothing, look the other way, when their 
own *stumbles* in a similar manner.< Supporter of the Confederacy? Not exactly, 
lets say a student of history. I'm fascinated by Civil War history and have 
been since I first heard stories about my Great Grandfather and his command, 
passed down  a couple of generations.< I've never heard of Dale Robertson, 
other than the actor. Tea Party in general, it's nice to see the tax payer 
stand up and slap his *master*, the government. The question is, is that 
enough, standing up and taking a swipe?No, of course not. Stand up and make the 
*master* sit down and be quiet.





From: do.rflex 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 10:21:44 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Home Schooling in Texas

  

--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Bush was never towted as a *genius*, the smartest president ever, a scholar 
> and Harvard Law Professor, now was he? Botching a phrase or sentence,  the 
> same way, would definetly show a lack of skills. Corpsman,Corpsman, 
> Corpsman all  pronounced with a hard *P*in the same speech. I guess once 
> the muzzle is off and the teleprompter running it's too late. Do you think 
> anybody might have mentioned it to him later?
> 


Why it so important to you, Dixon, that Obama incorrectly pronounced the 'p' in 
corpsman?  

As a supporter of the Confederacy with its racist history, perhaps you're a fan 
of teabagger Dale Robertson the racist President and Founder of  Teaparty.org.

Here's a photo of him at a Tea Party in Houston, Texas— in which he holds a 
sign reading "Congress = Slaveowner, Taxpayer = Niggar [which he also 
misspelled].

Take a look:
teapartypic width=464>



> 
> 
>  _ _ __
> From: do.rflex do.rf...@...
> To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 8:28:04 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Home Schooling in Texas
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > yeah, that's funny, but could have been a *set- up*. But what is even 
> > funnier, is listening to Obama say the word *corpsman*. He actually 
> > pronounces the letter *p*, heard  him making a speech in which he said 
> > it at least twice, maybe three times. maybe they could delete the *p* from 
> > the teleprompter.
> >
> 
> There was no teleprompter when he kicked the Republicans' asses in his recent 
> Q&A, Dixon. 
> 
> But if you recall our Crawford Texas hero, George Bush was so serious about 
> education he said, "Rarely is the question asked: 'Is our children 
> learning?'" 
> 
> He also wanted reassure the American people that "the human being and fish 
> can coexist peacefully." 
> 
> Apparently in this case he didn't cause a war with the tuna population by 
> falsely blaming them for ties to Al Qaeda like he did with Iraq causing the 
> deaths of over 4200 of our troops and resulting in the deaths of hundreds of 
> thousands of Iraqi men women and children who had NOTHING to do with 9/11.
> 
> > 
> >  _ _ __
> > From: do.rflex do.rflex@ .>
> > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 7:04:17 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Home Schooling in Texas
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > Home schooling poster seen at a Rick Perry for Governor rally
> > 
> > Take a look at the spelling: 
> > http://vvoice. vo.llnwd. net/e7/rick- perry-and- sarah-palin- rally-their- 
> > troops.4411024. 36.jpg 
> > 
> > via: Rick Perry and Sarah Palin Rally Their Troops
> > http://www.houstonp ress.com/ slideshow/ view/29258322
> >
>




  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas: The Ethical Question

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>  
> > Tex, on Judgement Day.  Would be uncomforatble being in Turq's or Curt's 
> > shoes.  Especially Curt's being a spiritual quitter.
> > 
> 
> I know I earned this by making fun of a bunch of educated Americans promoting 
> a magical belief in a mythological creature as if this were the 1300's.  I 
> deserved this.  But that awareness of the limits of my justified 
> self-righteousness won't stop me from responding.  Just know that I am aware 
> that I was being a bit of a dick in mocking the Shiva party.
> 
> Now on to the show: 
> 
>snip< 
> 
> You have no more idea than I do what will happen when we die,what you so 
> dramatically call "judgment day."  As a non spiritual person I admit that. As 
> a so called "spiritual" person you are front'n as if you do.  But it doesn't 
> fool me.  I know you are just accepting a pre-fab explanation instead of 
> facing the honest mystery and uncertainty of life.
> 
> So who is the "quitter" now?
> 
> 

Dear Curt, 
you don't know, is just my experience.  
Been there done that. So will you.   
& I ain't no quitter neither.
Be good, make use of your time.
Best of Good luck,
-Buck

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader living in Paris with wife and 2 kids

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> I got your point but that wasn't what interested me.

Uh-huh.

Was what interested you really the notion that I
wasn't aware till now that Barry claims he says stuff
just to piss me off?

Because you and I have been around that block several
times now. As you know, I don't believe it for a
nanosecond, at least the "just" part. He also wants
other readers to take it seriously; and he doesn't do
it only because he finds it "entertaining," he does it
because it *enrages* him that I see through him, and
he has to release some of that anger or he'll
incinerate himself.

"Just to piss Judy off" is his *excuse* for constantly
demonizing me, including all the falsehoods.

Plus which, of course, he doesn't demonize and tell
falsehoods *just* about me. The post I was originally
commenting on was about John. In fact, you'll find
very, very few posts of his that don't demonize
somebody or some group. As I said before, that's his
M.O., that's what he *does* here.

(You got a little taste of it not long ago regarding
your views on homeopathy, and you didn't like it much.
He forgot himself there for a minute, but he backed
off when you stood up to him; he doesn't want to lose
one of his few allies here. Unless you think he was
just having fun pissing *you* off to see how you'd
react.)

In any case, Atrios does not, of course, believe for
a nanosecond that the right-wingers are just trying to
piss off liberals. Nor does he believe they make stupid
arguments because *they're* stupid. It's because they
know there are quite a few people stupid enough to take
them seriously. If they piss off liberals into the
bargain, that's a side benefit, but it isn't the goal.

They *want* people to believe Obama is a "socialist
ideologue"; they *want* people to believe in "death
panels"; they *want* people to believe Obama wasn't
born in the U.S.; they *want* people to believe a big
snowstorm disproves global warming. They know better,
but they are confident many among their audience do
not. In other words, they're unscrupulous, cynical
liars.

And so are some of the TM critics on FFL, Barry most
prominent among them. As with the right-wingers,
some among the TM critics' audience find their lies
and demonizations convincing, especially when the
critics reinforce each other.

The one thing the right-wingers *don't* do is claim
they're saying this stuff just to piss off liberals.
They know *nobody* would be stupid enough to believe
that.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas: The Ethical Question

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > We've certainly heard of
> > people paying big bucks for yagyas, the *intent*
> > of which is to make them...uh...big bucks.
> 
> ...and did it work?
> 
> You seem to think it a bad thing. Well, I think it a 
> bad thing only if it doesn't work.

Is it a Bad Thing if the mechanism by which 
the yagya buyer became rich is kiddie porn?

Is it a Bad Thing if the yagya ensured that
he became rich as a result of pimping out 
women to customers such as yourself?

Is it a Bad Thing if the yagya buyer becomes
rich by selling his medical expertise and 
then slipping his patients Ruffies in his
office so he can have sex with them? (see
Dr. Harold Bloomfield, one-time TM "poster
boy")?

Is it a Bad Thing if the yagya buyer is Al
Gore?

Is it a Bad Thing if the yagya purchaser who
wants to become rich makes his living by tell-
ing his clients he knows what the investment
market is going to do when he doesn't have a 
fuckin' clue (or else he wouldn't still be 
working as an investment broker)?

Just questions to ponder, Shemp...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas: The Ethical Question

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> Consider this another post in the "challenging
> assumptions" series, merely a "different take"
> on something that many only see one way.
> 
> Have you ever been in a Voodoo Shop? They had
> bunches of such shops in NYC, and I used to love
> to go into them, just to browse. You could buy
> charms and candles, all for specific purposes
> like "Quiet that noisy dog next door" or "Shut
> up my constantly-talking wife" or "Make that
> cute girl at the water cooler fall in love with
> me" or "Make me rich." Less benevolently, you
> could also buy charms -- OR, if you had more
> money, actual ceremonies to be performed by
> Voodoo priests and priestesses -- to accomplish
> pretty much whatever you wanted to accomplish.
> The only thing that mattered was that you had
> an *intent* that you wished to make manifest,
> and that you had the bucks to pay for it.
> 
> So somebody please explain to me how Maharishi(tm)
> Yagyas are that different. 
> 



Not that much different if they both work.

Not that much different if they both DON'T work.



> We've already heard stories here of someone whose
> thoughts have strayed Off The Program reporting
> that his former friends have commissioned yagyas
> with the *intent* of "curing" him and bringing
> him "back to the fold." 



And, of course, this is the nutcase fringe of the TMO that Barry has a problem 
with.

Poor Barry.  He went into the TM Movement thinking he was going to get 
perfection: perfected practitioners who had no negative motives and were pure 
of purpose.

He was sadly disappointed and picks them out of a crowd at the drop of a hat.

Memo to Barry: the world is full of individuals who act from their own level of 
motivation, to further their own agenda.  Kinda like you, Barry.



> We've certainly heard of
> people paying big bucks for yagyas, the *intent*
> of which is to make them...uh...big bucks.



...and did it work?

You seem to think it a bad thing.  Well, I think it a bad thing only if it 
doesn't work.



> Some
> have suggested that if there is something about
> your marital situation that you don't like, like
> one's wife asking for more attention than you want
> to give her, you should go out and commission a 
> yagya to "fix" it, and impose your *intent* on the 
> situation. The poster who suggested this did not 
> specify whether the husband doing this should 
> actually *ask* the wife before doing this. 
> 



Yawn.

Who really cares?  This yagya stuff doesn't have anything to do with TM.  So 
why are you unstressing on it?


> So -- ignoring the fact that yagyas probably "work"
> the same way that Voodoo does...not at all -- isn't
> there an *ethical* question in commissioning them?
> 



The ethical question for me is what such practises have to do with the TM 
Program, something Barry doesn't even practise...so why does he have his 
knickers in a twist about it?




> It's the same ethical question I see in such New
> Age trips as "The Secret" and "The Law Of Attraction."
> The *assumption* behind such practices and beliefs
> is that it's **OK** to perform or commission a ritual
> to make your own *intent* manifest. Even if doing so
> might affect others. Sometimes *especially* if doing
> so might affect others.
> 



When has any action ever performed in the world NOT affected others, be they 
positive or negative actions?




> So, assuming that you are a prospective customer for
> a Maharishi(tm) Yagya. You've got the money, and you
> have an *intent* -- a personal desire, something that
> *you* want to see happen -- going for you. Do you have
> the RIGHT to pay little brown boys to "make" that 
> *intent* happen for you? Even if it's all fantasy and 
> nothing they chant does anything more than lighting
> a Give-me-a-more-MoFo-Mojo Voodoo candle would?
> 



If someone is sucker enough to spend money on a yagya, why concern your pretty 
little head, Barry?






> I guess my point is that there seems to be a huge New
> Age culture building around the perceived RIGHT to "Do
> unto others whatever is necessary to do unto me what
> I want done." Besides the fact that such practices 
> would *strengthen* and make more rigid the "self" that
> so desperately *wants* things that it's willing to pay
> big bucks and manipulate others to get them, I see an 
> ethical question here. Does anyone else?
>


Who cares?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Republicans on Wrong Side of Public Opinion

[BillyG]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> Republicans -- Not Obama -- More Often on Wrong Side of Public Opinion
> 
> Nate Silver
>  -on.html>  looks at 25 issues that President Obama has "made an
> affirmative effort to push forward since taking office a year ago" and
> and summarized public opinion data on each of them.
> 
> Of the 25 issues, Obama's position appears to be on the right side of
> public opinion on 14, it's on the wrong side of public opinion on five
> issues and for the remaining six the polling "is probably too ambiguous
> to render a clear verdict."
> 
> Republicans, however, have overwhelmingly opposed almost all of these
> measures with the exception of three.
> 
> http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/02/09/republicans_on_wrong_side_o\
> f_public_opinion.html


I'd buy that for a dollar!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daoV-LsINiA

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader living in Paris with wife and 2 kids

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > When it's cold out in Spain, and the dreaded 
> > Seinfeldian "shrinkage" sets in, I've had 
> > more than one señorita glance down and say, 
> > "EL what?"  :-)
> 
> I have the same problem.  MY tattoo on cold days says EL but 
> on warm days mine says:
> 
> Even a good little girl like you would have much more fun with 
> me in HELL.
> 
> Not that I'm bragging or anything...


Now THAT is how "snappy dialogue" is done.
Take heed, all you slackers out there.  :-)


> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Now you are catching on. Pissing you off IS Barry's sport.  
> > 
> > But an embarrassing one. It's too easy to be of 
> > any real challenge. It's the writer's counterpart
> > of saying, "Hey! Watch this! I can make this bull
> > charge at me," and then waving a red flag. Mea
> > culpa.  :-)
> > 
> > > This framework is your trap, unless of course you are just 
> > > having a rollicking good time. 
> > 
> > I think we all know how likely that is.  :-)
> > 
> > > But viewing content meant to piss you off as "important 
> > > and in desperate need of correction", guarantees that the 
> > > next 10 years around here will look like the last 10. 
> > > (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
> > 
> > And not that I even have to try. If it does 
> > play out that the stalking continues for ten
> > more years, I'll be able to play it from my
> > side by never interfacing with her directly.
> > Which is what she wants the most.
> > 
> > I admit it...I'm evil. I even have "EVIL" 
> > tattooed on a significant part of my anatomy. 
> > Although my spot of choice (chosen after a 
> > few too many tequilas in Guaymas, Mexico on 
> > a Spring Break in my college daze) was, in 
> > retrospect, an error in judgment. 
> > 
> > When it's cold out in Spain, and the dreaded 
> > Seinfeldian "shrinkage" sets in, I've had 
> > more than one señorita glance down and say, 
> > "EL what?"  :-)
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader living in Paris with wife and 2 kids

[curtisdeltablues]

-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> When it's cold out in Spain, and the dreaded 
> Seinfeldian "shrinkage" sets in, I've had 
> more than one señorita glance down and say, 
> "EL what?"  :-)

I have the same problem.  MY tattoo on cold days says EL but on warm days mine 
says:

Even a good little girl like you would have much more fun with me in HELL.

Not that I'm bragging or anything...




>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Now you are catching on. Pissing you off IS Barry's sport.  
> 
> But an embarrassing one. It's too easy to be of 
> any real challenge. It's the writer's counterpart
> of saying, "Hey! Watch this! I can make this bull
> charge at me," and then waving a red flag. Mea
> culpa.  :-)
> 
> > This framework is your trap, unless of course you are just 
> > having a rollicking good time. 
> 
> I think we all know how likely that is.  :-)
> 
> > But viewing content meant to piss you off as "important 
> > and in desperate need of correction", guarantees that the 
> > next 10 years around here will look like the last 10. 
> > (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
> 
> And not that I even have to try. If it does 
> play out that the stalking continues for ten
> more years, I'll be able to play it from my
> side by never interfacing with her directly.
> Which is what she wants the most.
> 
> I admit it...I'm evil. I even have "EVIL" 
> tattooed on a significant part of my anatomy. 
> Although my spot of choice (chosen after a 
> few too many tequilas in Guaymas, Mexico on 
> a Spring Break in my college daze) was, in 
> retrospect, an error in judgment. 
> 
> When it's cold out in Spain, and the dreaded 
> Seinfeldian "shrinkage" sets in, I've had 
> more than one señorita glance down and say, 
> "EL what?"  :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader living in Paris with wife and 2 kids

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

I got your point but that wasn't what interested me.

> > Pissing you off IS Barry's sport.  And vice versa, despite
> > your framing your posts in a more elevated light.  This
> > framework is your trap, unless of course you are just
> > having a rollicking good time.  But viewing content meant
> > to piss you off as "important and in desperate need of
> > correction",
> 
> You're quoting whom here, please?

Misleading punctuation, sorry.  That was NOT a quote at all, I was trying too 
connect it all as a phrase.  Quotes was the worst choice.

Should I use parenthesis?  I guess I really didn't need anything to covey what 
I wanted. 


>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> > > But here's the real reason I dug up this post of
> > > Curtis's again. He wrote:
> > > 
> > > > If you take off the "malicious Barry" glasses for a
> > > > moment, and knowing his writing style, you might just
> > > > conclude that Barry enjoys hyperbole and finds it
> > > > entertaining to take an extreme perspective and watch
> > > > people react to it.
> > > 
> > > With regard to my "Alternate Universes" theme in which
> > > I noted the similarity between the tactics of right-
> > > wingers and FFL TM critics, I was amused to read a post
> > > from Atrios on his blog this morning that references a
> > > Washington Times story about Snowmageddon.
> > > 
> > > The story concludes, "Those who value freedom should
> > > thank Mother Nature for her sense of humor, undermining
> > > the case for global warming one flake at a time."
> > > 
> > > Atrios comments:
> > > 
> > > "The stupid or evil/stupid or lying debate is always made
> > > a bit more complex when conservatives rush to embrace the
> > > stupidest arguments. It's so stupid that they can't
> > > possibly believe it, but it's also so stupid that it can't
> > > possibly convince anybody. Maybe this kind of thing is
> > > just in the 'pissing off liberals for sport' category."
> > 
> > Now you are catching on.
> 
> Um, but you aren't.
> 
> Read the above again--from the top--and see if you can
> figure out the point I was making.
> 
> > Pissing you off IS Barry's sport.  And vice versa, despite
> > your framing your posts in a more elevated light.  This
> > framework is your trap, unless of course you are just
> > having a rollicking good time.  But viewing content meant
> > to piss you off as "important and in desperate need of
> > correction",
> 
> You're quoting whom here, please?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  guarantees that the next 10 years around here will look like the last 10. 
> (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The reluctant Messiah.

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>  
> > As I pointed out at the time, Creme gave zero details
> > about this "Maitreya" he claimed was finally here. 
> > He just threw out Yet Another Baseless Claim and,
> > as he has been doing for years, Nabby bought it hook,
> > line, and sinker. He hadn't even *noticed* that Creme
> > gave no details, and when I pointed it out, he dared
> > not reply.
> 
> Nabby certainly did reply (#239163), pointing out
> what *Barry* hadn't noticed (to which *Barry*
> "dared not reply"):
> 
> "For years Mr. Creme has said that Maitreya will do
> 2 different interviews. One as an ordinary man not
> mentioning His real name and later, based on the
> reception on the first interview will He step forward
> as Maitrea. Later He will speak simultaneously to all
> people in their own language, the socalled Day of
> Declaration."
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/239163
> 
> In a later post (#239352), Creme is reported to have
> said that if anybody thought they had identified
> Maitreya, they should keep quiet about it until the
> Day of Declaration:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/239352
> 
> > Now some of his fellow cultists have taken the baseless
> > claim and done "draw a bulls-eye around the arrow" 
> > research and descended en masse on this poor, hapless 
> > clod and decided that *he* is Maitreya.
> 
> Actually, if Barry had looked into who Patel is and
> what he does, he'd have known that Patel is very far
> from a "hapless clod," and is indeed an appealing
> candidate in terms of how Creme describes Maitreya:
> 
> "Maitreya will show that our problems are many but
> solvable. That the solution to all is already in our
> hands. That the simple act of sharing, alone, has
> the power to transform life on Earth for the better."
> 
> In the video trailer for his book, Patel states the
> fundamental theme of his work as an activist:
> 
> "The opposite of consumption isn't thrift, it's
> generosity."
> 
> In other words, sharing. Not at all surprising that
> Share International would prick up its collective
> ears, Creme's caveats notwithstanding.
> 
> (See my post #240801 for more on Patel.)
> 
> One might *almost* think Creme had Patel in mind,
> except for one problem: Creme says, as of January 14,
> that Maitreya has just given his *first* television
> interview. Patel has been giving TV interviews for
> years; he's a big name in sustainable-living circles,
> has written a bunch of books on the topic.



BINGO !


 
> The NYTimes article is the first I'd heard of him.
> Not sure how I had missed him till now.
> 
> Creme and his Maitreya nonsense (sorry, Nabby!) aside,
> Patel is a fascinating dude with some important ideas
> who warrants our attention. And if the tizzy among
> Creme's followers (which tizzy does NOT include Nabby,
> just for the record) results in Patel becoming even
> better known, that's a net plus, annoying as it may be
> for Patel. (My guess is he's media-savvy enough to be
> not entirely unhappy with it.)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader living in Paris with wife and 2 kids

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Now you are catching on. Pissing you off IS Barry's sport.  

But an embarrassing one. It's too easy to be of 
any real challenge. It's the writer's counterpart
of saying, "Hey! Watch this! I can make this bull
charge at me," and then waving a red flag. Mea
culpa.  :-)

> This framework is your trap, unless of course you are just 
> having a rollicking good time. 

I think we all know how likely that is.  :-)

> But viewing content meant to piss you off as "important 
> and in desperate need of correction", guarantees that the 
> next 10 years around here will look like the last 10. 
> (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

And not that I even have to try. If it does 
play out that the stalking continues for ten
more years, I'll be able to play it from my
side by never interfacing with her directly.
Which is what she wants the most.

I admit it...I'm evil. I even have "EVIL" 
tattooed on a significant part of my anatomy. 
Although my spot of choice (chosen after a 
few too many tequilas in Guaymas, Mexico on 
a Spring Break in my college daze) was, in 
retrospect, an error in judgment. 

When it's cold out in Spain, and the dreaded 
Seinfeldian "shrinkage" sets in, I've had 
more than one señorita glance down and say, 
"EL what?"  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Republicans on Wrong Side of Public Opinion

[do.rflex]

Republicans -- Not Obama -- More Often on Wrong Side of Public Opinion

Nate Silver
  looks at 25 issues that President Obama has "made an
affirmative effort to push forward since taking office a year ago" and
and summarized public opinion data on each of them.

Of the 25 issues, Obama's position appears to be on the right side of
public opinion on 14, it's on the wrong side of public opinion on five
issues and for the remaining six the polling "is probably too ambiguous
to render a clear verdict."

Republicans, however, have overwhelmingly opposed almost all of these
measures with the exception of three.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/02/09/republicans_on_wrong_side_o\
f_public_opinion.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader living in Paris with wife and 2 kids

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> > But here's the real reason I dug up this post of
> > Curtis's again. He wrote:
> > 
> > > If you take off the "malicious Barry" glasses for a
> > > moment, and knowing his writing style, you might just
> > > conclude that Barry enjoys hyperbole and finds it
> > > entertaining to take an extreme perspective and watch
> > > people react to it.
> > 
> > With regard to my "Alternate Universes" theme in which
> > I noted the similarity between the tactics of right-
> > wingers and FFL TM critics, I was amused to read a post
> > from Atrios on his blog this morning that references a
> > Washington Times story about Snowmageddon.
> > 
> > The story concludes, "Those who value freedom should
> > thank Mother Nature for her sense of humor, undermining
> > the case for global warming one flake at a time."
> > 
> > Atrios comments:
> > 
> > "The stupid or evil/stupid or lying debate is always made
> > a bit more complex when conservatives rush to embrace the
> > stupidest arguments. It's so stupid that they can't
> > possibly believe it, but it's also so stupid that it can't
> > possibly convince anybody. Maybe this kind of thing is
> > just in the 'pissing off liberals for sport' category."
> 
> Now you are catching on.

Um, but you aren't.

Read the above again--from the top--and see if you can
figure out the point I was making.

> Pissing you off IS Barry's sport.  And vice versa, despite
> your framing your posts in a more elevated light.  This
> framework is your trap, unless of course you are just
> having a rollicking good time.  But viewing content meant
> to piss you off as "important and in desperate need of
> correction",

You're quoting whom here, please?




 guarantees that the next 10 years around here will look like the last 10. (Not 
that there's anything wrong with that.)

[FairfieldLife] Businesses are being hit with unemployment tax hikes just when they can least afford it

[It's just a ride]

http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/09/news/economy/unemployment_taxes/index.htm?hpt=Sbin

And what were the businesses doing with their money when it was flowing in
like the Niagra?  Outsourcing, buying overpriced companies, yachts, paying
big bonuses to an elite few.





Diversity.  It killed 13 at Fort Hood.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader living in Paris with wife and 2 kids

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > "How many simply blocked it out of their
> > awareness because they're friendly with Barry?"
> > 
> > I'm gunna take a wild guess who this was aimed at.
> 
> Missed this first time around. >

Apparently not, or are you saying I am not a member of that illustrious group?  

Apprently Curtis feels
> that he's Barry's only friend on FFL.

So it WAS aimed at me, but just not only me.  Forgive me for thinking I am the 
center of everyone's universe, bad habit.  

> 
> Sorry Vaj, sgray, Geeze, and do.rkflex. You're just
> going to have to suck up harder, I guess. I didn't
> mean to get your hopes up.
> 
> But here's the real reason I dug up this post of
> Curtis's again. He wrote:
> 
> > If you take off the "malicious Barry" glasses for a
> > moment, and knowing his writing style, you might just
> > conclude that Barry enjoys hyperbole and finds it
> > entertaining to take an extreme perspective and watch
> > people react to it.
> 
> With regard to my "Alternate Universes" theme in which
> I noted the similarity between the tactics of right-
> wingers and FFL TM critics, I was amused to read a post
> from Atrios on his blog this morning that references a
> Washington Times story about Snowmageddon.
> 
> The story concludes, "Those who value freedom should
> thank Mother Nature for her sense of humor, undermining
> the case for global warming one flake at a time."
> 
> Atrios comments:
> 
> "The stupid or evil/stupid or lying debate is always made
> a bit more complex when conservatives rush to embrace the
> stupidest arguments. It's so stupid that they can't
> possibly believe it, but it's also so stupid that it can't
> possibly convince anybody. Maybe this kind of thing is
> just in the 'pissing off liberals for sport' category."

Now you are catching on.  Pissing you off IS Barry's sport.  And vice versa, 
despite your framing your posts in a more elevated light.  This framework is 
your trap, unless of course you are just having a rollicking good time.  But 
viewing content meant to piss you off as "important and in desperate need of 
correction", guarantees that the next 10 years around here will look like the 
last 10. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)



>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The reluctant Messiah.

[Buck]

> 
> 
> Maitreya steps forward
> 
> The way prepared by His Herald the `star', Maitreya, the World
> Teacher, has given His first interview on American television. >Millions
> have heard Him speak both on TV and the internet.
> 
> His open mission has begun
> 
> He was introduced not as Maitreya, the World Teacher and Head of our
> Spiritual Hierarchy, but simply as a man, one of us. In this way He
> "ensures that men follow and support Him for the truth and sanity of
> His ideas rather than for His status".
> 

And his name shall be, Buck.

[FairfieldLife] Jyotish Readings in Fairfield with Prasannan

[Buck]

Dear Everyone,

Om Namah Shivaya,

We are very fortunate to have Prasannan Herke coming to Fairfield again this 
year as part of his yearly Jyotish Tour. Readings in Fairfield will begin in 
the afternoon on Sunday, March 14th and continue for two full days on Monday 
and Tuesday March 15th and 16th. Readings are still $60 per half hour or $120 
for an hour etc. To schedule your appointment please contact Irene Archer at 
641-472-9336 or you may respond to this email. Once we set up your appointment 
time, the details will be emailed to you. The appointments can fill up quickly 
so please schedule soon.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader living in Paris with wife and 2 kids

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > "How many simply blocked it out of their
> > awareness because they're friendly with Barry?"
> > 
> > I'm gunna take a wild guess who this was aimed at.
> 
> Missed this first time around. Apprently Curtis feels
> that he's Barry's only friend on FFL.
> 
> Sorry Vaj, sgray, Geeze, and do.rkflex. You're just
> going to have to suck up harder, I guess. I didn't
> mean to get your hopes up.

Apologies to sgrayatlarge; I meant *azgray*, of course.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nader living in Paris with wife and 2 kids

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> "How many simply blocked it out of their
> awareness because they're friendly with Barry?"
> 
> I'm gunna take a wild guess who this was aimed at.

Missed this first time around. Apprently Curtis feels
that he's Barry's only friend on FFL.

Sorry Vaj, sgray, Geeze, and do.rkflex. You're just
going to have to suck up harder, I guess. I didn't
mean to get your hopes up.

But here's the real reason I dug up this post of
Curtis's again. He wrote:

> If you take off the "malicious Barry" glasses for a
> moment, and knowing his writing style, you might just
> conclude that Barry enjoys hyperbole and finds it
> entertaining to take an extreme perspective and watch
> people react to it.

With regard to my "Alternate Universes" theme in which
I noted the similarity between the tactics of right-
wingers and FFL TM critics, I was amused to read a post
from Atrios on his blog this morning that references a
Washington Times story about Snowmageddon.

The story concludes, "Those who value freedom should
thank Mother Nature for her sense of humor, undermining
the case for global warming one flake at a time."

Atrios comments:

"The stupid or evil/stupid or lying debate is always made
a bit more complex when conservatives rush to embrace the
stupidest arguments. It's so stupid that they can't
possibly believe it, but it's also so stupid that it can't
possibly convince anybody. Maybe this kind of thing is
just in the 'pissing off liberals for sport' category."

[FairfieldLife] THE CORRECTOR Redux (was Re: Home Schooling in Texas)

[azgrey]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
> > Since we seem to have a new wannabe superhero in our
> > midst, I think it is relevant to repost my "take" on the last
> > such insane fundamentalist. Change the sex of the protag-
> > onist mentally as you read the following, just as you
> > occasionally have to do for the original CORRECTOR:
> 
> Barry's so proud of this effort he feels the need to
> post it *twice*?? Or so bereft of creative juices after
> the monumental outpouring entailed by Episode 1, he
> had nothing left for an Episode 2?
> 
> Whatevs...
>

" I've been reading *most* of Barry's posts over and over and
over again for 15 years." --Judy Stein--June 28, 2009

He is just feeding the hungry bee.

 
> 
> > THE CORRECTOR - Episode 1, "You shall admit your lies!"
> > 
> > THE SCENE: The dark, dank nightscape of CyberJersey. A lone figure,
> > dressed in a dumpy Columbo-style raincoat, stalks the lonely streets,
> > searching for evildoers.
> > 
> > NARRATOR: In a back alley of CyberJersey, out of the darkness comes THE
> > CORRECTOR. By day a mild-mannered and nondescript copy editor, by night
> > she dons her superhero costume (a raincoat that conceals her bulk,
> > adorned with a gleaming badge that says 'EDITOR') and fights the Good
> > Fight for one and all. Yes, while lesser mortals sleep, THE CORRECTOR
> > stalks CyberJersey looking for the disingenuous, the snarky, those with
> > a penchant for dishonesty, and worst of all, the LIARS.
> > 
> > It is her job -- nay, sacred duty -- to protect those less blessed by
> > knowledge of the Absolute, Real Truth Of Everything than she is by
> > exposing these evildoers and bringing them to justice. Her weapons are
> > bluff and bluster, and the Red Pen Of Truth, which she wields three to
> > four nights a week, until the Bad People come to take her back to the
> > padded room and silence her voice of truth and righeousness until the
> > next week.
> > 
> > EVILDOER: Sure is a nice night in the alleys tonight.
> > 
> > THE CORRECTOR: [ Leaping out from behind a dumpster. ] LIAR! It is *not*
> > a nice night. You are a dissembler and a liar, and your intent is to
> > lead the innocent astray and convince them that life is "nicer" than it
> > really is.
> > 
> > EVILDOER: WTF? Who is this loon?
> > 
> > THE CORRECTOR: See??!!! There is the evidence that I am right, coming
> > right out of your own mouth. All of this is explicitly clear, and any
> > intelligent person can see what you are up to and your evil intent and
> > you know it, so you insult me, provoking a battle.
> > 
> > EVILDOER: Me, provoking a battle? You called *me* a liar, bitch.
> > 
> > THE CORRECTOR: And you are. The evidence is clear, and now that I have
> > identified you as one of the evil LIARS I must protect people from, I
> > will point it out at least 50 times a week until you admit it. You shall
> > live in constant fear of correction. [ She whips out a big red pen and
> > waves it at him menacingly. ]
> > 
> > EVILDOER: What's that? A pen? What are you going to do, "strikethrough"
> > me to death? Draw a little squiggly circle around me telling God to
> > delete me? [ He laughs. ]
> > 
> > THE CORRECTOR: Don't you DARE laugh at me. I am THE CORRECTOR, and my
> > word must be obeyed. If I say that you are a liar and a dissembler and
> > snarky and disingenuous, you are. So there. My red pen rules the
> > universe. It excises from existence the likes of evildoers such as
> > yourself.
> > 
> > EVILDOER: So lady...what gives you the right to do this?
> > 
> > THE CORRECTOR: The right??!!! Because I'm RIGHT, you dolt. THAT gives me
> > the right. Besides I have the siddhi of Full Context.
> > 
> > EVILDOER: Full Context? I thought that was a form of martial arts
> > contest where the guys got to really wail on each other instead of
> > pulling their punches.
> > 
> > THE CORRECTOR: No, that's Full Contact, you idiot. This *proves* how
> > REEEAAALLLY REEEAAALLLY STOOPID you are, and how smart I am. If I can
> > correct you on a little thing like this, then how can *anything* you say
> > be true?
> > 
> > EVILDOER: Whatever. So WTF is "Full Context?"
> > 
> > THE CORRECTOR: That's where my point of view and opinion is better than
> > yours, and in fact better than anyone's point of view or opinion in the
> > universe.
> > 
> > EVILDOER: Even God's?
> > 
> > THE CORRECTOR: God is my bitch. He does what *I* want, not vice-versa.
> > You evildoers have to *realize* this, and learn to ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR
> > OFFENSES.
> > 
> > EVILDOER: Or what?
> > 
> > THE CORRECTOR: Or WHAT??!!! Or else I'll stalk you forever and make you
> > live with constant FEAR OF CORRECTION, that's what!
> > 
> > EVILDOER: Whatever. I'll take my chances. I still think it's a nice
> > night.
> > 
> > THE CORRECTOR: You LIE! I warned you not to do it, but you did it
> > anyway. It's is NOT a nice night. I have spoken, and I'm THE 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Home Schooling in Texas

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon 
wrote:
>
> Bush was never towted as a *genius*, the smartest president ever, a
scholar and Harvard Law Professor, now was he? Botching a phrase or
sentence,  the same way, would definetly show a lack of skills.
Corpsman,Corpsman, Corpsman all  pronounced with a hard *P*in
the same speech. I guess once the muzzle is off and the teleprompter
running it's too late. Do you think anybody might have mentioned it to
him later?
>


Why it so important to you, Dixon, that Obama incorrectly pronounced the
'p' in corpsman?

As a supporter of the Confederacy with its racist history, perhaps
you're a fan of teabagger Dale Robertson the racist President and
Founder of  Teaparty.org.

Here's a photo of him at a Tea Party in Houston, Texas— in which he
holds a sign reading "Congress = Slaveowner, Taxpayer = Niggar
[which he also misspelled].

Take a look:


  [teapartypic]



>
>
> 
> From: do.rflex do.rf...@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 8:28:04 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Home Schooling in Texas
>
> Â
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon 
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > yeah, that's funny, but could have been a *set- up*. But what is
even funnier, is listening to Obama say the word *corpsman*. He actually
pronounces the letter *p*, heard  him making a speech in which he
said it at least twice, maybe three times. maybe they could delete the
*p* from the teleprompter.
> >
>
> There was no teleprompter when he kicked the Republicans' asses in his
recent Q&A, Dixon.
>
> But if you recall our Crawford Texas hero, George Bush was so serious
about education he said, "Rarely is the question asked: 'Is our children
learning?'"
>
> He also wanted reassure the American people that "the human being and
fish can coexist peacefully."
>
> Apparently in this case he didn't cause a war with the tuna population
by falsely blaming them for ties to Al Qaeda like he did with Iraq
causing the deaths of over 4200 of our troops and resulting in the
deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi men women and children who had
NOTHING to do with 9/11.
>
> >
> >  _ _ __
> > From: do.rflex do.rflex@ .>
> > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 7:04:17 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Home Schooling in Texas
> >
> > ÂÂ
> >
> >
> > Home schooling poster seen at a Rick Perry for Governor rally
> >
> > Take a look at the spelling:
> > http://vvoice. vo.llnwd. net/e7/rick- perry-and- sarah-palin-
rally-their- troops.4411024. 36.jpg
> >
> > via: Rick Perry and Sarah Palin Rally Their Troops
> > http://www.houstonpress.com/slideshow/view/29258322
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] THE CORRECTOR Redux (was Re: Home Schooling in Texas)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> Since we seem to have a new wannabe superhero in our
> midst, I think it is relevant to repost my "take" on the last
> such insane fundamentalist. Change the sex of the protag-
> onist mentally as you read the following, just as you
> occasionally have to do for the original CORRECTOR:

Barry's so proud of this effort he feels the need to
post it *twice*?? Or so bereft of creative juices after
the monumental outpouring entailed by Episode 1, he
had nothing left for an Episode 2?

Whatevs...


> THE CORRECTOR - Episode 1, "You shall admit your lies!"
> 
> THE SCENE: The dark, dank nightscape of CyberJersey. A lone figure,
> dressed in a dumpy Columbo-style raincoat, stalks the lonely streets,
> searching for evildoers.
> 
> NARRATOR: In a back alley of CyberJersey, out of the darkness comes THE
> CORRECTOR. By day a mild-mannered and nondescript copy editor, by night
> she dons her superhero costume (a raincoat that conceals her bulk,
> adorned with a gleaming badge that says 'EDITOR') and fights the Good
> Fight for one and all. Yes, while lesser mortals sleep, THE CORRECTOR
> stalks CyberJersey looking for the disingenuous, the snarky, those with
> a penchant for dishonesty, and worst of all, the LIARS.
> 
> It is her job -- nay, sacred duty -- to protect those less blessed by
> knowledge of the Absolute, Real Truth Of Everything than she is by
> exposing these evildoers and bringing them to justice. Her weapons are
> bluff and bluster, and the Red Pen Of Truth, which she wields three to
> four nights a week, until the Bad People come to take her back to the
> padded room and silence her voice of truth and righeousness until the
> next week.
> 
> EVILDOER: Sure is a nice night in the alleys tonight.
> 
> THE CORRECTOR: [ Leaping out from behind a dumpster. ] LIAR! It is *not*
> a nice night. You are a dissembler and a liar, and your intent is to
> lead the innocent astray and convince them that life is "nicer" than it
> really is.
> 
> EVILDOER: WTF? Who is this loon?
> 
> THE CORRECTOR: See??!!! There is the evidence that I am right, coming
> right out of your own mouth. All of this is explicitly clear, and any
> intelligent person can see what you are up to and your evil intent and
> you know it, so you insult me, provoking a battle.
> 
> EVILDOER: Me, provoking a battle? You called *me* a liar, bitch.
> 
> THE CORRECTOR: And you are. The evidence is clear, and now that I have
> identified you as one of the evil LIARS I must protect people from, I
> will point it out at least 50 times a week until you admit it. You shall
> live in constant fear of correction. [ She whips out a big red pen and
> waves it at him menacingly. ]
> 
> EVILDOER: What's that? A pen? What are you going to do, "strikethrough"
> me to death? Draw a little squiggly circle around me telling God to
> delete me? [ He laughs. ]
> 
> THE CORRECTOR: Don't you DARE laugh at me. I am THE CORRECTOR, and my
> word must be obeyed. If I say that you are a liar and a dissembler and
> snarky and disingenuous, you are. So there. My red pen rules the
> universe. It excises from existence the likes of evildoers such as
> yourself.
> 
> EVILDOER: So lady...what gives you the right to do this?
> 
> THE CORRECTOR: The right??!!! Because I'm RIGHT, you dolt. THAT gives me
> the right. Besides I have the siddhi of Full Context.
> 
> EVILDOER: Full Context? I thought that was a form of martial arts
> contest where the guys got to really wail on each other instead of
> pulling their punches.
> 
> THE CORRECTOR: No, that's Full Contact, you idiot. This *proves* how
> REEEAAALLLY REEEAAALLLY STOOPID you are, and how smart I am. If I can
> correct you on a little thing like this, then how can *anything* you say
> be true?
> 
> EVILDOER: Whatever. So WTF is "Full Context?"
> 
> THE CORRECTOR: That's where my point of view and opinion is better than
> yours, and in fact better than anyone's point of view or opinion in the
> universe.
> 
> EVILDOER: Even God's?
> 
> THE CORRECTOR: God is my bitch. He does what *I* want, not vice-versa.
> You evildoers have to *realize* this, and learn to ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR
> OFFENSES.
> 
> EVILDOER: Or what?
> 
> THE CORRECTOR: Or WHAT??!!! Or else I'll stalk you forever and make you
> live with constant FEAR OF CORRECTION, that's what!
> 
> EVILDOER: Whatever. I'll take my chances. I still think it's a nice
> night.
> 
> THE CORRECTOR: You LIE! I warned you not to do it, but you did it
> anyway. It's is NOT a nice night. I have spoken, and I'm THE CORRECTOR.
> I have the siddhi of Full Context, and know the Truth about people such
> as you.
> 
> EVILDOER: That must make you very proud.
> 
> THE CORRECTOR: Dern tootin'. Your kind of disingenuity typically
> involves little twists and leaps and sidesteps and corkscrews and
> ambiguities and strategic omissions that are very difficult to untangle
> and require a LOT of context to recognize, so it takes someone like me
> to

[FairfieldLife] THE CORRECTOR Redux (was Re: Home Schooling in Texas)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> Do:
> > Apparently in this case he didn't cause a war
> > with the tuna population by falsely blaming
> < them for ties to Al Qaeda like he did with Iraq...
>
> You lie!

Since we seem to have a new wannabe superhero in our
midst, I think it is relevant to repost my "take" on the last
such insane fundamentalist. Change the sex of the protag-
onist mentally as you read the following, just as you
occasionally have to do for the original CORRECTOR:

THE CORRECTOR - Episode 1, "You shall admit your lies!"

THE SCENE: The dark, dank nightscape of CyberJersey. A lone figure,
dressed in a dumpy Columbo-style raincoat, stalks the lonely streets,
searching for evildoers.

NARRATOR: In a back alley of CyberJersey, out of the darkness comes THE
CORRECTOR. By day a mild-mannered and nondescript copy editor, by night
she dons her superhero costume (a raincoat that conceals her bulk,
adorned with a gleaming badge that says 'EDITOR') and fights the Good
Fight for one and all. Yes, while lesser mortals sleep, THE CORRECTOR
stalks CyberJersey looking for the disingenuous, the snarky, those with
a penchant for dishonesty, and worst of all, the LIARS.

It is her job -- nay, sacred duty -- to protect those less blessed by
knowledge of the Absolute, Real Truth Of Everything than she is by
exposing these evildoers and bringing them to justice. Her weapons are
bluff and bluster, and the Red Pen Of Truth, which she wields three to
four nights a week, until the Bad People come to take her back to the
padded room and silence her voice of truth and righeousness until the
next week.

EVILDOER: Sure is a nice night in the alleys tonight.

THE CORRECTOR: [ Leaping out from behind a dumpster. ] LIAR! It is *not*
a nice night. You are a dissembler and a liar, and your intent is to
lead the innocent astray and convince them that life is "nicer" than it
really is.

EVILDOER: WTF? Who is this loon?

THE CORRECTOR: See??!!! There is the evidence that I am right, coming
right out of your own mouth. All of this is explicitly clear, and any
intelligent person can see what you are up to and your evil intent and
you know it, so you insult me, provoking a battle.

EVILDOER: Me, provoking a battle? You called *me* a liar, bitch.

THE CORRECTOR: And you are. The evidence is clear, and now that I have
identified you as one of the evil LIARS I must protect people from, I
will point it out at least 50 times a week until you admit it. You shall
live in constant fear of correction. [ She whips out a big red pen and
waves it at him menacingly. ]

EVILDOER: What's that? A pen? What are you going to do, "strikethrough"
me to death? Draw a little squiggly circle around me telling God to
delete me? [ He laughs. ]

THE CORRECTOR: Don't you DARE laugh at me. I am THE CORRECTOR, and my
word must be obeyed. If I say that you are a liar and a dissembler and
snarky and disingenuous, you are. So there. My red pen rules the
universe. It excises from existence the likes of evildoers such as
yourself.

EVILDOER: So lady...what gives you the right to do this?

THE CORRECTOR: The right??!!! Because I'm RIGHT, you dolt. THAT gives me
the right. Besides I have the siddhi of Full Context.

EVILDOER: Full Context? I thought that was a form of martial arts
contest where the guys got to really wail on each other instead of
pulling their punches.

THE CORRECTOR: No, that's Full Contact, you idiot. This *proves* how
REEEAAALLLY REEEAAALLLY STOOPID you are, and how smart I am. If I can
correct you on a little thing like this, then how can *anything* you say
be true?

EVILDOER: Whatever. So WTF is "Full Context?"

THE CORRECTOR: That's where my point of view and opinion is better than
yours, and in fact better than anyone's point of view or opinion in the
universe.

EVILDOER: Even God's?

THE CORRECTOR: God is my bitch. He does what *I* want, not vice-versa.
You evildoers have to *realize* this, and learn to ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR
OFFENSES.

EVILDOER: Or what?

THE CORRECTOR: Or WHAT??!!! Or else I'll stalk you forever and make you
live with constant FEAR OF CORRECTION, that's what!

EVILDOER: Whatever. I'll take my chances. I still think it's a nice
night.

THE CORRECTOR: You LIE! I warned you not to do it, but you did it
anyway. It's is NOT a nice night. I have spoken, and I'm THE CORRECTOR.
I have the siddhi of Full Context, and know the Truth about people such
as you.

EVILDOER: That must make you very proud.

THE CORRECTOR: Dern tootin'. Your kind of disingenuity typically
involves little twists and leaps and sidesteps and corkscrews and
ambiguities and strategic omissions that are very difficult to untangle
and require a LOT of context to recognize, so it takes someone like me
to discern it. Someone with the siddhi of Full Context.

EVILDOER: And what do you do once you've "discerned" this?

THE CORRECTOR: I stalk you forever, of course. I will follow you around
like a dog pissing in your scent until you have ACKNOWLEDGE

[FairfieldLife] Re: Home Schooling in Texas

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>

> Corpsman,Corpsman, Corpsman all  pronounced with a
> hard *P*in the same speech. I guess once the muzzle is
> off and the teleprompter running it's too late. Do you
> think anybody might have mentioned it to him later?

More likely, all his aides will start pronouncing it
that way!

The speech tic of his that makes me crazy is: "The thing
is, is that..." He's not the only one; you hear this all
the time these days. It's definitely not just a stutter;
people think that's the way it should be said. How the
*hell* did it get started?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Home Schooling in Texas

[WillyTex]

Do:
> Apparently in this case he didn't cause a war
> with the tuna population by falsely blaming
< them for ties to Al Qaeda like he did with Iraq...
>
You lie!

We've been over this several times, Bush DID NOT
claim the tuna had ties to Al Qaeda, like he did with
Iraq.

WASHINGTON, June 24 — Contacts between Iraqi
intelligence agents and Osama bin Laden when he
was in Sudan in the mid-1990's were part of abroad
effort by Baghdad to work with organizations opposing
the Saudi ruling family, according to a newly disclosed
document obtained by the Americans in Iraq...

Read more:

From: Shemp McGurk
Subject: OT: Iraq/Al Quada link
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: June 25, 2004
http://tinyurl.com/ybpttj7

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas: The Ethical Question

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Imagine if yagyas *actually* did something and we had the
> > > power to further our own ends, presumably at the occasional
> > > expense of others.
> > 
> > Why would you entertain that presumption?
> 
> Because it would be at someones expense if, say, they
> were applying for a job and were the best qualified,
> even the most deserving, and you'd asked shiva for a 
> bit of help to sway the interviewers mind, wouldn't 
> that be at the expense of someone else?

You can't really tell. Maybe the other person wouldn't
have been happy in the job; maybe she'd have ended up
with an even better one that she was eminently suited
for but you weren't. All kinds of possible scenarios in
which your getting the job was the best thing for you
*and* for her. And that wouldn't necessarily be 
apparent for quite some time. "Unfathomable is the
course of action" and all that.

As I said, if you aren't convinced natural law will
sort it all out to everyone's ultimate benefit, then
it would be unethical (in personal terms) for you to
utilize yagyas. But objectively, there's no more
reason to think it wouldn't than that it would.

  
> > > Maybe this is why they don't work, everyone is so concerned
> > > about getting more money, sex etc. That the yagyas are 
> > > cancelled out at the akashic level before any karmic damage 
> > > is done. Which should amount to refunds all round!
> > 
> > Heh. Not necessarily. Theoretically one would have
> > gotten one's money's worth via the karmic lesson
> > involved in discovering that one's impure motivation
> > caused the yagya to be canceled out. (It could take
> > several such lessons before this sinks in, however.)
> 
> That wouldn't be the worst excuse I'd ever heard for 
> them not working. The usual one people kid themselves 
> with is: They're working on a level I'm not aware of.
> Or is that the same thing? Probably. But it should 
> still say so on the brochure.

I'd bet a buck you have to sign something that says you
understand nothing is guaranteed.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Home Schooling in Texas

[Mike Dixon]

Let me correct my spelling of *touted* before unloading on The One's 
pronunciation of Corpsman.! 





From: Mike Dixon 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 9:41:48 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Home Schooling in Texas


Bush was never towted as a *genius*, the smartest president ever, a scholar and 
Harvard Law Professor, now was he? Botching a phrase or sentence,  the same 
way, would definetly show a lack of skills. Corpsman,Corpsman, Corpsman 
all  pronounced with a hard *P*in the same speech. I guess once the muzzle is 
off and the teleprompter running it's too late. Do you think anybody might have 
mentioned it to him later?




From: do.rflex 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 8:28:04 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Home Schooling in Texas

  


--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> yeah, that's funny, but could have been a *set- up*. But what is even 
> funnier, is listening to Obama say the word *corpsman*. He actually 
> pronounces the letter *p*, heard  him making a speech in which he said it at 
> least twice, maybe three times. maybe they could delete the *p* from the 
> teleprompter.
>

There was no teleprompter when he kicked the Republicans' asses in his recent 
Q&A, Dixon. 

But if you recall our Crawford Texas hero, George Bush was so serious about 
education he said, "Rarely is the question asked: 'Is our children learning?'" 

He also wanted reassure the American people that "the human being and fish can 
coexist peacefully." 

Apparently in this case he didn't cause a war with the tuna population by 
falsely blaming them for ties to Al Qaeda like he did with Iraq causing the 
deaths of over 4200 of our troops and resulting in the deaths of hundreds of 
thousands of Iraqi men women and children who had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

> 
>  _ _ __
> From: do.rflex 
> To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 7:04:17 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Home Schooling in Texas
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Home schooling poster seen at a Rick Perry for Governor rally
> 
> Take a look at the spelling: 
> http://vvoice. vo.llnwd. net/e7/rick- perry-and- sarah-palin- rally-their- 
> troops.4411024. 36.jpg 
> 
> via: Rick Perry and Sarah Palin Rally Their Troops
> http://www.houstonpress.com/slideshow/view/29258322
>






  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Home Schooling in Texas

[Mike Dixon]

Bush was never towted as a *genius*, the smartest president ever, a scholar and 
Harvard Law Professor, now was he? Botching a phrase or sentence,  the same 
way, would definetly show a lack of skills. Corpsman,Corpsman, Corpsman 
all  pronounced with a hard *P*in the same speech. I guess once the muzzle is 
off and the teleprompter running it's too late. Do you think anybody might have 
mentioned it to him later?




From: do.rflex 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 8:28:04 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Home Schooling in Texas

  


--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> yeah, that's funny, but could have been a *set- up*. But what is even 
> funnier, is listening to Obama say the word *corpsman*. He actually 
> pronounces the letter *p*, heard  him making a speech in which he said it at 
> least twice, maybe three times. maybe they could delete the *p* from the 
> teleprompter.
>

There was no teleprompter when he kicked the Republicans' asses in his recent 
Q&A, Dixon. 

But if you recall our Crawford Texas hero, George Bush was so serious about 
education he said, "Rarely is the question asked: 'Is our children learning?'" 

He also wanted reassure the American people that "the human being and fish can 
coexist peacefully." 

Apparently in this case he didn't cause a war with the tuna population by 
falsely blaming them for ties to Al Qaeda like he did with Iraq causing the 
deaths of over 4200 of our troops and resulting in the deaths of hundreds of 
thousands of Iraqi men women and children who had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

> 
>  _ _ __
> From: do.rflex 
> To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 7:04:17 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Home Schooling in Texas
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Home schooling poster seen at a Rick Perry for Governor rally
> 
> Take a look at the spelling: 
> http://vvoice. vo.llnwd. net/e7/rick- perry-and- sarah-palin- rally-their- 
> troops.4411024. 36.jpg 
> 
> via: Rick Perry and Sarah Palin Rally Their Troops
> http://www.houstonpress.com/slideshow/view/29258322
>





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Home Schooling in Texas

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> yeah, that's funny, but could have been a *set- up*. But what is even 
> funnier, is listening to Obama say the word *corpsman*. He actually 
> pronounces the letter *p*, heard  him making a speech in which he said it at 
> least twice, maybe three times. maybe they could delete the *p* from the 
> teleprompter.
>


There was no teleprompter when he kicked the Republicans' asses in his recent 
Q&A, Dixon. 

But if you recall our Crawford Texas hero, George Bush was so serious about 
education he said, "Rarely is the question asked: 'Is our children learning?'" 

He also wanted reassure the American people that "the human being and fish can 
coexist peacefully." 

Apparently in this case he didn't cause a war with the tuna population by 
falsely blaming them for ties to Al Qaeda like he did with Iraq causing the 
deaths of over 4200 of our troops and resulting in the deaths of hundreds of 
thousands of Iraqi men women and children who had NOTHING to do with 9/11.






> 
> 
> From: do.rflex 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 7:04:17 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Home Schooling in Texas
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Home schooling poster seen at a Rick Perry for Governor rally
> 
> Take a look at the spelling: 
> http://vvoice. vo.llnwd. net/e7/rick- perry-and- sarah-palin- rally-their- 
> troops.4411024. 36.jpg 
> 
> via: Rick Perry and Sarah Palin Rally Their Troops
> http://www.houstonpress.com/slideshow/view/29258322
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Home Schooling in Texas

[It's just a ride]

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Mike Dixon  wrote:

>
>
>
> yeah, that's funny, but could have been a *set- up*. But what is even
> funnier, is listening to Obama say the word *corpsman*. He actually
> pronounces the letter *p*, heard  him making a speech in which he said it at
> least twice, maybe three times. maybe they could delete the *p* from the
> teleprompter.
>  --
>

President Obama has visited Dover AFB enough times, he's written letters of
condolences enough times to the families of fallen soldiers.  He knows well
that he's sending men and women who will become corpses to war.  Corpsemen
and Corpsewomen.

-- 
Are you better off now than you were four trillion dollars ago?

Diversity.  It killed 13 at Fort Hood.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The reluctant Messiah.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
 
> As I pointed out at the time, Creme gave zero details
> about this "Maitreya" he claimed was finally here. 
> He just threw out Yet Another Baseless Claim and,
> as he has been doing for years, Nabby bought it hook,
> line, and sinker. He hadn't even *noticed* that Creme
> gave no details, and when I pointed it out, he dared
> not reply.

Nabby certainly did reply (#239163), pointing out
what *Barry* hadn't noticed (to which *Barry*
"dared not reply"):

"For years Mr. Creme has said that Maitreya will do
2 different interviews. One as an ordinary man not
mentioning His real name and later, based on the
reception on the first interview will He step forward
as Maitrea. Later He will speak simultaneously to all
people in their own language, the socalled Day of
Declaration."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/239163

In a later post (#239352), Creme is reported to have
said that if anybody thought they had identified
Maitreya, they should keep quiet about it until the
Day of Declaration:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/239352

> Now some of his fellow cultists have taken the baseless
> claim and done "draw a bulls-eye around the arrow" 
> research and descended en masse on this poor, hapless 
> clod and decided that *he* is Maitreya.

Actually, if Barry had looked into who Patel is and
what he does, he'd have known that Patel is very far
from a "hapless clod," and is indeed an appealing
candidate in terms of how Creme describes Maitreya:

"Maitreya will show that our problems are many but
solvable. That the solution to all is already in our
hands. That the simple act of sharing, alone, has
the power to transform life on Earth for the better."

In the video trailer for his book, Patel states the
fundamental theme of his work as an activist:

"The opposite of consumption isn't thrift, it's
generosity."

In other words, sharing. Not at all surprising that
Share International would prick up its collective
ears, Creme's caveats notwithstanding.

(See my post #240801 for more on Patel.)

One might *almost* think Creme had Patel in mind,
except for one problem: Creme says, as of January 14,
that Maitreya has just given his *first* television
interview. Patel has been giving TV interviews for
years; he's a big name in sustainable-living circles,
has written a bunch of books on the topic.

The NYTimes article is the first I'd heard of him.
Not sure how I had missed him till now.

Creme and his Maitreya nonsense (sorry, Nabby!) aside,
Patel is a fascinating dude with some important ideas
who warrants our attention. And if the tizzy among
Creme's followers (which tizzy does NOT include Nabby,
just for the record) results in Patel becoming even
better known, that's a net plus, annoying as it may be
for Patel. (My guess is he's media-savvy enough to be
not entirely unhappy with it.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Home Schooling in Texas

[Mike Dixon]

yeah, that's funny, but could have been a *set- up*. But what is even funnier, 
is listening to Obama say the word *corpsman*. He actually pronounces the 
letter *p*, heard  him making a speech in which he said it at least twice, 
maybe three times. maybe they could delete the *p* from the teleprompter.



From: do.rflex 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 7:04:17 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Home Schooling in Texas

  


Home schooling poster seen at a Rick Perry for Governor rally

Take a look at the spelling: 
http://vvoice. vo.llnwd. net/e7/rick- perry-and- sarah-palin- rally-their- 
troops.4411024. 36.jpg 

via: Rick Perry and Sarah Palin Rally Their Troops
http://www.houstonpress.com/slideshow/view/29258322





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: The reluctant Messiah.

[WillyTex]

Curtis:
> Let's break it down...
>
Once a spiritual teacher, always a spiritual teacher,
even after all these years, and after all the denials. 

:-)

Let's give Curtis an award: the greatest spiritual
teacher still in denial.
> Can somebody tell him we already got this memo.  
> In fact just tell him to turn over the Celestial 
> Seasonings box and if the message is already 
> printed there, everybody knows that.
> 
>  creation of justice> 
> 
> Hand him a copy of Nicomachean Ethics by Aristotle.
> (Or the CLiff notes he may be a bit slow) We have 
> been pondering this concept for a long time so if 
> he wants to advance the discussion we are going 
> to need the kind of specifics that can reconcile 
> part of the world's fascination with Shirea law 
> and the part of the world that uses the law firm 
> of Greenberg and Betterman everytime someone gets 
> a hangnail from their Safeway cart.  
> 
> This is the main reason for wars so it is something 
> we are aware of.  And what exactly do you mean by 
> "sharing" because we have already figured out that 
> pointing a gun at someone makes them eager to share 
> or you can hand them a bunch of Ipods,Cokes and 
> Lady Gaga's latest CD. So what specifically are 
> you adding to the party that I can't get from a 
> four year old quoting the Princess Ariel?
> 
> So far the plan for him to make a big splash on 
> human terms hasn't panned out on the truth and 
> sanity scale.  Perhaps if the lord of the world 
> would crack a book or two he might catch up with 
> the rest of the class.
> 
> Let me give him some sincere advice.  Skip all the 
> touchy-feely stuff, we already have that stuff on 
> our Kahill Gibran posters.  What we need is a cool 
> eco safe way to produce energy.  We could also use 
> a cure for all cancers.
> 
> After he has solved both those problems we will 
> listen to his opinions about how we can get along 
> better.  As an aptitude test he can start with 
> telling me how I can get my neighbor to stop 
> playing Grand Theft Auto at 2:00 in the morning 
> on nights when I have to get up for an early school 
> show.  You know, without pissing him off so much 
> that he keys my car.  And he can even weave in 
> how the concepts of justice and peace fit in with 
> his SPECIFIC solution.
> 
> (For all those helping me keep score on this guy 
> the answer to the last one is imitating the rental 
> office's stationary in Word and posting a pointed 
> threat from management that shooting hookers in the 
> face with shotguns and blowing up cars at 2:00am 
> violates the terms of the lease and will result in 
> eviction.  
> 
> Let's see if Lord smarty pants gets that one right!) 

[FairfieldLife] Re: What dinosaurs actually looked like!

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> >
> > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/01/100127-dinosaurs-color-feathers-science/o
> > 
> > Well, one of them anyway. I still hope that Tyrannosaurus was a
> > huge scaly beastie rather than just a big turkey
> 
> On the other hand, now Fundamentalists know what
> Adam and Eve served for Thanksgiving.

I think apple sauce would go well with it

[FairfieldLife] Schism In Maitreyaland: The Theme Song

[TurquoiseB]

It appears that there is a schism in the New Age, and that
our own Nabby is part of it. Some of the Share International
cult seem to believe that Raj Patel is the long-promised and
long-awaited Maitreya. Others, like Nabby, seem to think that
the Messiah is yet to come. Oh, the angst of it all.

I think that a saga like this deserves a "theme song," so
here is my attempt at creating one.

M-M-M-MY MAITREYA
(original audio and lyrics here
   for the
melody-impaired)

Ooh, my little avatar, my pretty avatar
When you gonna come to me, Maitreya?
Ooh, you make my motor run, my motor run
Got it comin' off o' the line, Maitreya

Never gonna stop, give it up, such a godlike mind
I always get it up for the touch of the sattvic kind
My, my, my, aye-aye, whoa!
M-m-m-my Maitreya

Come a little closer, huh, a-will ya, huh?
Close enough to look in my eyes, Maitreya
Keepin' it a mystery, it gets to me
Runnin' down the length of my thigh, Maitreya

Never gonna stop, give it up, such a godlike mind
I always get it up for the touch of the sattvic kind
My, my, my, aye-aye, whoa!
M-m-m-my Maitreya
M-m-m-my Maitreya

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas: The Ethical Question

[WillyTex]

> > You probably DO appreciate a simple marriage ceremony,
> > and you'd probably give gifts and wish the bride and
> > groom good luck.
> > 
Curtis:
> Got me there, I sure do.
>
So, you are still into 'yagyas', and still selling the 
snake oil - I thought so. Still trying to be a 'spiritual 
teacher', posting comments on Hindu religion, but in 
denial at the same time. So disconnected that you don't 
even realize that every time you play your guitar, you're 
in a TMer meditative state. 

Go figure.

"A typical Hindu marriage is a yajna..."

Yajna:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yajna



> > And the Turq probably STILL believes in a soul-monad!
> >
> Kinda got me stumped on this one...
>
In Hinduism the 'soul-monad' is the individual soul, 
which according to Turq, is just like the Absolute Soul, 
the Great Spirit, the central belief of all 'spiritual' 
teachers.



> Ever change your mind with more information? 
>
But, you really haven't really changed your basic ethical 
view from the time you were a TB - you're obviously still 
thinking and meditating at least twice a day.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The reluctant Messiah.

[curtisdeltablues]

Lord Maitreya's big news revealed:

> He spoke earnestly of the need for peace, achievable only through the> 
> creation of justice and the sharing of the world's resources.

Let's break it down.
> He spoke earnestly of the need for peace,> 

Can somebody tell him we already got this memo.  In fact just tell him to turn 
over the Celestial Seasonings box and if the message is already printed there, 
everybody knows that.

 creation of justice> 

Hand him a copy of Nicomachean Ethics by Aristotle.  (Or the CLiff notes he may 
be a bit slow) We have been pondering this concept for a long time so if he 
wants to advance the discussion we are going to need the kind of specifics that 
can reconcile part of the world's fascination with Shirea law and the part of 
the world that uses the law firm of Greenberg and Betterman everytime someone 
gets a hangnail from their Safeway cart.  



This is the main reason for wars so it is something we are aware of.  And what 
exactly do you mean by "sharing" because we have already figured out that 
pointing a gun at someone makes them eager to share or you can hand them a 
bunch of Ipods,Cokes and Lady Gaga's latest CD. So what specifically are you 
adding to the party that I can't get from a four year old quoting the Princess 
Ariel?

So far the plan for him to make a big splash on human terms hasn't panned out 
on the truth and sanity scale.  Perhaps if the lord of the world would crack a 
book or two he might catch up with the rest of the class.

Let me give him some sincere advice.  Skip all the touchy-feely stuff, we 
already have that stuff on our Kahill Gibran posters.  What we need is a cool 
eco safe way to produce energy.  We could also use a cure for all cancers.

After he has solved both those problems we will listen to his opinions about 
how we can get along better.  As an aptitude test he can start with telling me 
how I can get my neighbor to stop playing Grand Theft Auto at 2:00 in the 
morning on nights when I have to get up for an early school show.  You know, 
without pissing him off so much that he keys my car.  And he can even weave in 
how the concepts of justice and peace fit in with his SPECIFIC solution.

(For all those helping me keep score on this guy the answer to the last one is 
imitating the rental office's stationary in Word and posting a pointed threat 
from management that shooting hookers in the face with shotguns and blowing up 
cars at 2:00am violates the terms of the lease and will result in eviction.  
Let's see if Lord smarty pants gets that one right!) 





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
> You're the one that is oldish, not "spongeworthy" anymore and about to go, 
> not me ;-)
> 
> BTW; the photoshop work was not bad, on a scale to 10 I'll give it a 6. :-)
> 
> 
> >  [Nabby's Legacy by you.]
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > How unfortunate for a "translater" not to be able to read even the
> > > simplest messages posted here several times, not to mention
> > > understanding them.
> > >
> > > This is very, very simple stuff, no wonder the Turq never understood
> > > the comparatively richness of Maharishi's teaching.
> > >
> > > For the better mentally endowed, please read the statement below
> > > where Benjaim Creme again, as always, again states the reasons for
> > > n o t naming who Maitreya is at this early stage of His open mission.
> > 
> > 
> > Maitreya steps forward
> > 
> > The way prepared by His Herald the `star', Maitreya, the World Teacher,
> > has given His first interview on American television. Millions have
> > heard Him speak both on TV and the internet.
> > 
> > His open mission has begun
> > 
> > He was introduced not as Maitreya, the World Teacher and Head of our
> > Spiritual Hierarchy, but simply as a man, one of us. In this way He
> > "ensures that men follow and support Him for the truth and sanity of His
> > ideas rather than for His status".
> > 
> > He spoke earnestly of the need for peace, achievable only through the
> > creation of justice and the sharing of the world's resources.
> > 
> > This is the first of many such interviews which will be given in the
> > USA, Japan, Europe and elsewhere, bringing His message of hope to the
> > world.
> > 
> > Benjamin Creme made this announcement at his public lecture at Friends
> > House, Euston Road, London, on 14 January 2010.
> > 
> > Please note: Share International has no further details about this
> > interview (date, time, network, etc), for the following reason: it is
> > very important that everyone has the opportunity to respond to Maitreya
> > because they want for the world what He is advocating — sharing,
> > justice and peace — rather than because they think He may be the
> > World Teacher.
> > 
> 
> Benjamin Creme announces the start of Maitreya's open work on video.
> Please click
> http://www.share-i

[FairfieldLife] Re: But seriously, Nabby...

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > How does it *feel* to be part of what is now officially
> > The World's Most Laughed-At Cult?
> >
> > I mean...with this stunt...picking some guy at random
> > and naming him your long-awaited Maitreya and then
> > claiming that him denying it "proves" that he's really
> > Maitreya, you Creme-ites have surpassed even the Rajas
> > and their Burger King crowns in laughability.
> >
> > It really IS right out of "Life Of Brian." Can you at
> > least laugh along with us?
> >
> 
> 
> In this international soap opera Mr Nablusoss appears -not- to have
> accepted that this Raj Patel is Maitreya like so many others have.
> 
> In fact, this one photo which Creme's website Share International uses
> of a supposed 'appearance' of Maitreya is a -different- guy than Raj
> Patel:

But is he hot enough for Judy?

 
>

[FairfieldLife] Home Schooling in Texas

[do.rflex]

Home schooling poster seen at a Rick Perry for Governor rally

Take a look at the spelling: 
http://vvoice.vo.llnwd.net/e7/rick-perry-and-sarah-palin-rally-their-troops.4411024.36.jpg
 
 
via: Rick Perry and Sarah Palin Rally Their Troops
http://www.houstonpress.com/slideshow/view/29258322

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas: The Ethical Question

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Hugo:
> > I've been running with the simple ethics of 
> > whether it's right to claim they have a basis 
> > in physics - without carrying out any double 
> > blind tests...
> > 
> Most scientific testing doesn't involve double-
> blind testing,

I never said it did but it's the gold-standard
for this sort of thing.

 and I'd say that physics doesn't
> have an ethical component.

And I'd say that yagyas don't have a physics component.
The point here is whether it's ethical to use people's
ignorance of science as a ploy to get them to part with
hard-earned cash in the hope of improving their lives
with prayers to gods that you are claiming are actually
aspects of natural law. Any evidence that protons or the
strong nuclear force can be influenced by song? And at 
a distance?

Until you have I'd keep quite about the physics bit 
because that is what the TMO is claiming and it's BS.
They are just trying to give an ancient spiritual
practise a sciencey veneer to justify charging people
for it. They did it in vedic times so it must be good 
right?


 Besides this, it has
> already been demonstrated that you and Curtis 
> have a prejudice against some spiritual groups.

Only the ones that shamelessly rip people off. I'm
the sort of ethical chap that can't see a wrong 
without wanting to see it righted.


> > There are some serious karma issues here for 
> > sure...
> >
> What makes you so sure? Has it been proved with
> any kind of double-blind testing that there is
> a law of moral reciprocity? I don't think so.

> If 'karma' was a law of physics, then good people 
> that do good things would be rewarded; and bad 
> people that do bad things would be punished. 
> 
> But we both know that physics doesn't work like
> this, Hugo. The question you're trying to answer
> is 'What makes acts right'? That's a subjective
> evaluation based on personal ethics, not science.

You can continue to pretend you don't understand
the point I'm making until the end of time Willy,
or maybe you just don't want to think about it.
Whatever makes you happy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: But seriously, Nabby...

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> How does it *feel* to be part of what is now officially
> The World's Most Laughed-At Cult?


We'll see. Your Buddhist brothers thinks Maitreya will come in another
350.000 years. He who lives will see...

>
> I mean...with this stunt...picking some guy at random
> and naming him your long-awaited Maitreya and then
> claiming that him denying it "proves" that he's really
> Maitreya, you Creme-ites



Uh, you  s t i l l  didn't get it ?  How is that possible even for you ?

You're making a complete fool of yourself by again proclaiming these
lies, like some minor wannabe Goebbels who thinks that if one repeats a
lie often enough it becomes a truth.

Mr. Creme has named no-one. Did you get this now: n o-o n e. Read it
again please.

Some hysterical americans have, Benjamin Creme has not.

No name, network or other details of Maitreya's first interview has been
confirmed by Mr. Benjamin Creme,  read why here:

"Please note: Share International has no further details about this
interview (date, time, network, etc), for the following reason: it is
very important that everyone has the opportunity to respond to Maitreya
because they want for the world what He is advocating — sharing,
justice and peace — rather than because they think He may be the
World Teacher."

Maitreya steps forward

The way prepared by His Herald the `star', Maitreya, the World
Teacher, has given His first interview on American television. Millions
have heard Him speak both on TV and the internet.

His open mission has begun

He was introduced not as Maitreya, the World Teacher and Head of our
Spiritual Hierarchy, but simply as a man, one of us. In this way He
"ensures that men follow and support Him for the truth and sanity of
His ideas rather than for His status".

He spoke earnestly of the need for peace, achievable only through the
creation of justice and the sharing of the world's resources.

This is the first of many such interviews which will be given in the
USA, Japan, Europe and elsewhere, bringing His message of hope to the
world.

Benjamin Creme made this announcement at his public lecture at Friends
House, Euston Road, London, on 14 January 2010.

Please note: Share International has no further details about this
interview (date, time, network, etc), for the following reason: it is
very important that everyone has the opportunity to respond to Maitreya
because they want for the world what He is advocating — sharing,
justice and peace — rather than because they think He may be the
World Teacher.



Benjamin Creme announces the start of Maitreya's open work on video.
Please click
 .

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas: The Ethical Question

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> >
> > Imagine if yagyas *actually* did something and we had the
> > power to further our own ends, presumably at the occasional
> > expense of others.
> 
> Why would you entertain that presumption?

Because it would be at someones expense if, say, they
were applying for a job and were the best qualified,
even the most deserving, and you'd asked shiva for a 
bit of help to sway the interviewers mind, wouldn't 
that be at the expense of someone else?
 
>  There are some serious karma issues here
> > for sure. I'm sure a TMer would say that the laws of nature
> > would cancel out any requests that violated natural law, but
> > who is to know what effects this beating of a butterfly's
> > wings will have on the fabric of reality?
> 
> If one doesn't have "faith" in natural law to sort
> things out without harming anyone, ethically one
> shouldn't utilize yagyas.

The "me" generation clearly aren't suited to this
type of lifestyle.
 
> > Maybe this is why they don't work, everyone is so concerned
> > about getting more money, sex etc. That the yagyas are 
> > cancelled out at the akashic level before any karmic damage 
> > is done. Which should amount to refunds all round!
> 
> Heh. Not necessarily. Theoretically one would have
> gotten one's money's worth via the karmic lesson
> involved in discovering that one's impure motivation
> caused the yagya to be canceled out. (It could take
> several such lessons before this sinks in, however.)

That wouldn't be the worst excuse I'd ever heard for 
them not working. The usual one people kid themselves 
with is: They're working on a level I'm not aware of.
Or is that the same thing? Probably. But it should 
still say so on the brochure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Colorado Springs: Conservatism's Shining City

[It's just a ride]

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:53 AM, do.rflex  wrote:

>
>
>
> Colorado Springs: Conservatism's Shining City
>
Of all places, MAPI decided to move to Colorado Springs, where I happened to
be doing some work at the time.  The principals of MAPI applied for a
mortgage for a house.  They were told by banker after banker that their kind
was not welcomed in Colorado Springs.

I find Colorado the most fascinating of places.  There's the ultra liberal,
very gay Captial Hill section of Denver.  Denver, the place where in the
early 1900s the governor nixed a plot to blow up the Catholic cathedral
across Colfax from the Capital.  He nexed it because he thought it might
result in arousing sympathy for the Catholics.  Then there's Boulder, which
is so pro Gay, so pro Environment, so pro Amnesty for anyone.  So many times
I opened the door for a girl/lady only for her to snub her nose at me, go to
another door, open it herself go into the shop/store.  A most fascinating
state.




> --
>
Are you better off now than you were four trillion dollars ago?

Diversity.  It killed 13 at Fort Hood.

[FairfieldLife] Another citizen journalist reveals the truth - Tom Tomorrow

[do.rflex]

Undercover with Conservative Jones


  [This Modern World by Tom Tomorrow]

[FairfieldLife] Colorado Springs: Conservatism's Shining City

[do.rflex]

Colorado Springs: Conservatism's Shining CityBy Terrance Heath
  - February 5, 2010


If you've ever wondered where conservative economic policies like
permanent tax cuts for the wealthy, slashed social services and
government spending are supposed to lead us, look no further than
Colorado Springs.

David Sirota's description of what's happening to that conservative
stronghold
  should serve as a cautionary tale.

When the so-called tea party movement's anti-tax activists refer to
the abstract concept of conservative purity, we can turn to a microcosm
like The Springs (as we Coloradoans call it) for a good example of what
such purity looks like in practice—and the view isn't pretty.

Thanks to the city's rejection of tax increases—and, thus,
depleted municipal revenues—The Denver Post reports that "more
than a third of the streetlights in Colorado Springs will go dark; the
city is dumping firefighting jobs, a vice team, burglary investigators,
beat cops; water cutbacks mean most parks will be dead ... recreation
centers, indoor and outdoor pools [and] museums will close for good;
buses no longer run on evenings and weekends; [and] the city won't
pay for any street paving."

Meanwhile, even with the Colorado Springs Gazette uncovering tent
ghettos of newly homeless residents, the city's social services are
being reduced—all as fat cats aim to punish what remains of a middle
class. As just one example, rather than initiating a tax discussion, the
CEO of The Springs' most lavish luxury hotel is pushing city leaders
to cut public employee salaries to the $24,000-a-year level he pays his
own workforce—a level approaching Colorado's official poverty
line for a family of four.

This is what Reaganites have always meant when they've talked of a
"shining city on a hill." They envision a dystopia whose
anti-tax fires incinerate social fabric faster than James Dobson can say
"family values"—a place like Colorado Springs that is starting
to reek of economic death.

Well, maybe it isn't a function of government to provide streetlights,
municipal water, parks, swimmingpools, fire department, police
protection, and paved roads. Or it won't be, anymore. Someday, we'll
have to pave our own roads. Scratch that. We'll be free to pave our own
roads and hire our own police, etc.
ABC News report video at link [scroll down]:
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010020505/colorado-springs-conserva\
tisms-shining-city

[FairfieldLife] Re: But seriously, Nabby...

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> How does it *feel* to be part of what is now officially
> The World's Most Laughed-At Cult?
>
> I mean...with this stunt...picking some guy at random
> and naming him your long-awaited Maitreya and then
> claiming that him denying it "proves" that he's really
> Maitreya, you Creme-ites have surpassed even the Rajas
> and their Burger King crowns in laughability.
>
> It really IS right out of "Life Of Brian." Can you at
> least laugh along with us?
>


In this international soap opera Mr Nablusoss appears -not- to have
accepted that this Raj Patel is Maitreya like so many others have.

In fact, this one photo which Creme's website Share International uses
of a supposed 'appearance' of Maitreya is a -different- guy than Raj
Patel:

Compare...


  [Maitreya1 The World Teacher: Who is this Maitreya?] 

Link to Maitreya photo:
http://extraordinaryintelligence.com/files/2009/08/Maitreya1.jpg



Raj Patel

Link to Raj Patel photo:
http://www.pegasusbookstore.com/files/pegasus/rajPatel.jpg

[FairfieldLife] But seriously, Nabby...

[TurquoiseB]

How does it *feel* to be part of what is now officially
The World's Most Laughed-At Cult?

I mean...with this stunt...picking some guy at random 
and naming him your long-awaited Maitreya and then 
claiming that him denying it "proves" that he's really
Maitreya, you Creme-ites have surpassed even the Rajas
and their Burger King crowns in laughability.

It really IS right out of "Life Of Brian." Can you at
least laugh along with us?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The reluctant Messiah.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
wrote:
>
> You're the one that is oldish, not "spongeworthy" anymore and
> about to go, not me ;-)

We'll see. :-)

> BTW; the photoshop work was not bad, on a scale to 10 I'll give
> it a 6. :-)

Give your grade to the "Tombstone Generator" at
http://www.jjchandler.com/tombstone/


I just wish I could figure out how to post a photo
stored on Flickr without it inserting those awful
buttons at the top:

   [Nabby's Legacy by you.]  They don't show
up in the Yahoo Rich Text Editor when I paste
in the photo, but there they are in the message. At least in my
view of the message. Go figure.

It must be all that bad karma I've incurred by working for the CIA.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The reluctant Messiah.

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

You're the one that is oldish, not "spongeworthy" anymore and about to go, not 
me ;-)

BTW; the photoshop work was not bad, on a scale to 10 I'll give it a 6. :-)


>  [Nabby's Legacy by you.]
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
> wrote:
> >
> > How unfortunate for a "translater" not to be able to read even the
> > simplest messages posted here several times, not to mention
> > understanding them.
> >
> > This is very, very simple stuff, no wonder the Turq never understood
> > the comparatively richness of Maharishi's teaching.
> >
> > For the better mentally endowed, please read the statement below
> > where Benjaim Creme again, as always, again states the reasons for
> > n o t naming who Maitreya is at this early stage of His open mission.
> 
> 
> Maitreya steps forward
> 
> The way prepared by His Herald the `star', Maitreya, the World Teacher,
> has given His first interview on American television. Millions have
> heard Him speak both on TV and the internet.
> 
> His open mission has begun
> 
> He was introduced not as Maitreya, the World Teacher and Head of our
> Spiritual Hierarchy, but simply as a man, one of us. In this way He
> "ensures that men follow and support Him for the truth and sanity of His
> ideas rather than for His status".
> 
> He spoke earnestly of the need for peace, achievable only through the
> creation of justice and the sharing of the world's resources.
> 
> This is the first of many such interviews which will be given in the
> USA, Japan, Europe and elsewhere, bringing His message of hope to the
> world.
> 
> Benjamin Creme made this announcement at his public lecture at Friends
> House, Euston Road, London, on 14 January 2010.
> 
> Please note: Share International has no further details about this
> interview (date, time, network, etc), for the following reason: it is
> very important that everyone has the opportunity to respond to Maitreya
> because they want for the world what He is advocating — sharing,
> justice and peace — rather than because they think He may be the
> World Teacher.
> 

Benjamin Creme announces the start of Maitreya's open work on video.
Please click
http://www.share-international.org/av/v_maitreya_emergence.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: The reluctant Messiah.

[TurquoiseB]

 [Nabby's Legacy by you.]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
wrote:
>
> How unfortunate for a "translater" not to be able to read even the
> simplest messages posted here several times, not to mention
> understanding them.
>
> This is very, very simple stuff, no wonder the Turq never understood
> the comparatively richness of Maharishi's teaching.
>
> For the better mentally endowed, please read the statement below
> where Benjaim Creme again, as always, again states the reasons for
> n o t naming who Maitreya is at this early stage of His open mission.


Maitreya steps forward

The way prepared by His Herald the `star', Maitreya, the World Teacher,
has given His first interview on American television. Millions have
heard Him speak both on TV and the internet.

His open mission has begun

He was introduced not as Maitreya, the World Teacher and Head of our
Spiritual Hierarchy, but simply as a man, one of us. In this way He
"ensures that men follow and support Him for the truth and sanity of His
ideas rather than for His status".

He spoke earnestly of the need for peace, achievable only through the
creation of justice and the sharing of the world's resources.

This is the first of many such interviews which will be given in the
USA, Japan, Europe and elsewhere, bringing His message of hope to the
world.

Benjamin Creme made this announcement at his public lecture at Friends
House, Euston Road, London, on 14 January 2010.

Please note: Share International has no further details about this
interview (date, time, network, etc), for the following reason: it is
very important that everyone has the opportunity to respond to Maitreya
because they want for the world what He is advocating — sharing,
justice and peace — rather than because they think He may be the
World Teacher.

Benjamin Creme announces the start of Maitreya's open work on video.
Please click
 .

[FairfieldLife] Re: The reluctant Messiah.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
wrote:
>
> How unfortunate for a "translater" not to be able to read even the
> simplest messages posted here several times, not to mention
> understanding them.

   [Nabby's Legacy by you.]

Maitreya steps forward

The way prepared by His Herald the `star', Maitreya, the World Teacher,
has given His first interview on American television. Millions have
heard Him speak both on TV and the internet.

His open mission has begun

He was introduced not as Maitreya, the World Teacher and Head of our
Spiritual Hierarchy, but simply as a man, one of us. In this way He
"ensures that men follow and support Him for the truth and sanity of His
ideas rather than for His status".

He spoke earnestly of the need for peace, achievable only through the
creation of justice and the sharing of the world's resources.

This is the first of many such interviews which will be given in the
USA, Japan, Europe and elsewhere, bringing His message of hope to the
world.

Benjamin Creme made this announcement at his public lecture at Friends
House, Euston Road, London, on 14 January 2010.

Please note: Share International has no further details about this
interview (date, time, network, etc), for the following reason: it is
very important that everyone has the opportunity to respond to Maitreya
because they want for the world what He is advocating — sharing,
justice and peace — rather than because they think He may be the
World Teacher.

Benjamin Creme announces the start of Maitreya's open work on video.
Please click
 .

[FairfieldLife] Re: The reluctant Messiah.

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , TurquoiseB 
wrote:



How unfortunate for a "translater" not to be able to read even the
simplest messages posted here several times, not to mention
understanding them.

This is very, very simple stuff, no wonder the Turq never understood the
comparatively richness of Maharishi's teaching.

For the better mentally endowed, please read the statement below where
Benjaim Creme again, as always, again states the reasons for  n o t 
naming who Maitreya is at this early stage of His open mission.



Maitreya steps forward

The way prepared by His Herald the `star', Maitreya, the World
Teacher, has given His first interview on American television. Millions
have heard Him speak both on TV and the internet.

His open mission has begun

He was introduced not as Maitreya, the World Teacher and Head of our
Spiritual Hierarchy, but simply as a man, one of us. In this way He
"ensures that men follow and support Him for the truth and sanity of
His ideas rather than for His status".

He spoke earnestly of the need for peace, achievable only through the
creation of justice and the sharing of the world's resources.

This is the first of many such interviews which will be given in the
USA, Japan, Europe and elsewhere, bringing His message of hope to the
world.

Benjamin Creme made this announcement at his public lecture at Friends
House, Euston Road, London, on 14 January 2010.

Please note: Share International has no further details about this
interview (date, time, network, etc), for the following reason: it is
very important that everyone has the opportunity to respond to Maitreya
because they want for the world what He is advocating — sharing,
justice and peace — rather than because they think He may be the
World Teacher.

Benjamin Creme announces the start of Maitreya's open work on video.
Please click
 .

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The reluctant Messiah.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
>
> Sorry to hear that

It's actually a marvelous opportunity to watch the
cult mentality at work. For years now Nabby has been
preaching Benjamin Creme's holy word to us, telling
us that Maitreya was going to appear and make every-
thing all better Any Day Now. Nabby even passed along
Creme's January "pronouncement" that Maitreya was 
finally here and had appeared on American TV to us,
barely concealing a "So there, you unbelievers...who
has the last laugh now" sneer. 

As I pointed out at the time, Creme gave zero details
about this "Maitreya" he claimed was finally here. 
He just threw out Yet Another Baseless Claim and,
as he has been doing for years, Nabby bought it hook,
line, and sinker. He hadn't even *noticed* that Creme
gave no details, and when I pointed it out, he dared
not reply. 

Now some of his fellow cultists have taken the baseless
claim and done "draw a bulls-eye around the arrow" 
research and descended en masse on this poor, hapless 
clod and decided that *he* is Maitreya. And the more 
he denies it, the more they take that as a sign that 
he *is* Maitreya. This is one of the greatest oppor-
tunities for humor the New Age or spiritual world has 
ever provided for us. Enjoy it while you can, and 
especially enjoy Nabby's posturing here as he tries 
to "explain" it all to us, and not look like an idiot 
for following a charlatan's charlatan for years.

And if you *really* want to enjoy this whole scene, go
to your video cabinet and pull out that DVD of "Monty
Python's Life Of Brian." You'll find it mightily apt:

Brian: I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am 
not the Messiah, do you understand? Honestly!

Girl: Only the true Messiah denies His divinity.

Brian: What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? 
All right! I am the Messiah!

Followers: He is! He is the Messiah!

Brian: Now, fuck off!

[silence]

Arthur: How shall we fuck off, O Lord? 


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of sgrayatlarge
> > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 6:01 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The reluctant Messiah.
> >  
> >   
> > Please, nobody can possibly take this crackpot Benny Hill, I mean Creme
> > seriously, he is a big nothing, a joke, so sad.
> > Nabby takes him very seriously. Links to his site in many of his posts.
> >
>