[FairfieldLife] Spirit a priori

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Amritanandamayi teaches a spiritual path that 
> consists of understanding the scriptures in 
> the Vedas, the Upanishads, and the Bhagavad 
> Gita. 
> 
> Amma advocates meditation, karma yoga, and 
> devotional service. According to Amma, the 
> cultivation of blissful consciousness reveals 
> the non-dual, transcendental absolute, leading 
> to 'jivanmukti' - fully realized while yet 
> living.
> 
> "There is one Truth that shines through all of 
> creation. Rivers and mountains, plants and 
> animals, the sun, the moon and the stars, you 
> and I — all are expressions of this one 
> Reality." - Amma
>

Yes, that is succinct.  She's a transcendentalist.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
> > If you'd like to interview me about tacos, I'm your man. :-)
> 
> Oh Jesus.  I can just feel Edg on some rock outcropping ready 
> to pounce.

Having the same suspicion, allow me to pour gasoline
on the fire of obsession with an old joke:

"If God had not intended men to eat pussy, He wouldn't
have made it look so much like a taco."

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's see the hands.....

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Ah, but was he sane?

A good question. I just think it's hilarious that the
guy (an M.D.) gave me an official, government-seal-
bearing piece of paper saying that I was free of any
infectious diseases AND completely sane and free of
any psychological abnormalities after a five-minute
physical/interview.  

Still, I'm going to hang onto the piece of paper. If
the issue of my sanity ever comes up in the future,
I'll trot it out and say, "See? It says right here 
that I'm sane." A nice thing to have...  :-)


> 
> From: TurquoiseB 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 11:44:28 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Let's see the hands.
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > Let's see the hands of everyone here who thinks they are sane. ;-)
> 
> I have an official piece of paper from the Spanish 
> medical authorities -- with an official government
> seal and everything -- certifying that I am perfectly
> sane. I needed such a paper to get a long stay visa.
> 
> True, the guy who wrote it for me and signed and 
> sealed it had known me for all of five minutes, but
> it *is* official. :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> thx, excellent points!  I don't have time to go into this topic 
> at length; but basically in answer to question posed in the Bible 
> "Who is your Brother's Keeper";...if "Brother/Sister" ends only 
> two doors down, I take issue with that.
>  A certain Buddhist perspective (which I groked from various 
> Teachers) is that I am responsible for everything and everybody 
> in the universe.  Therefore I personally am responsible for Ravi.
> otoh, if you prefer not to take such responsibility, that's ok 
> with me.
> ...
> then the questions you posed:  first, praying (I usually pray/chant 
> in conjunction with various Deities/Yidams such as Kali, Kwan Yin, 
> etc)...IS DOING something.  The enery circulates in the inner 
> planes.  The energy of pujas, Yagyas, prayers, etc; eventually 
> manifests physically.
> By "doing" something I assume you mean on the physical plane of 
> existence.
> That's a very limited pov.

My point is that among many long-term spiritual 
seekers, it's the POV they consider last, or never
consider at all. They've been told for so many
decades that their mere Woo Woo is *enough* to
resolve situations they find unpleasant, so that
is the only "solution" they think of, or try. 

In this particular case, *Ravi's* fantasies all
revolve around how "powerful" he is, how much he
is "affecting" those who interact with him, how
just *by* interacting with them these people *who
are criticizing him and/or laughing at him* have
become his "disciples," his "students," and how
he is "in charge," "controlling the situation,"
"always winning." In other words, he is essentially
the *end product* of this belief system. 

Have we not seen the *same* belief system around 
here before? True, not expressed in such a socio-
pathic manner, but I'm thinkin' Déja Mu.

I *understand* the points Bhairitu made about 
Ravi just being Indian, and to some extent they
are valid, and IMO have exacerbated the situation.
Anyone who believes that having been born "Brahmin"
makes him better or more evolved than anyone else
is IMO already several miles down the road to 
madness, even before you throw a little runaway 
shakti into the mix. Someone with the kinds of 
'tudes about *women* that he has expressed here 
*grew up with them*; they didn't happen overnight 
as the result of an "awakening" of any kind.

But still, the overall *act* strikes me as familiar,
and a little disturbingly so. Part of the TM dogma,
ferchissakes, has always been the low-vibeness of
having to act on the level of action to resolve a
situation. We're talking about an organization that
charges its followers *money* to pray for them to
gods and goddesses so that they won't *have* to act
themselves (TM Yagyas). And we're talking about an 
organization in which this 'tude (reluctance to 
"get involved" and act physically) has led to at 
least one murder (Levi Butler). I don't think it's 
out of line to point out stuff like this.

I was *not* trying to slam you personally for your
suggestion. I was merely rapping about parallels 
I see in the suggestion to points of dogma I see as 
less than completely healthy. Relying on prayer or 
meditation to invoke the good graces of the gods, or 
to add a little more collective "energy" or Woo Woo 
into the mix strikes me as something one does when 
in a drought and hoping for rain or when hoping for
something tenuous and theoretical like "world peace."
I find it less impressive and practical when the wolf 
is at the door, or when someone's family might really 
need protecting. That's all.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > >
> > > pray for him in the traditional sense. The combined Shakti 
> > > and good-will may steer him in the right direction, whatever 
> > > that may be.
> > 
> > Why does this strike me as exactly the same kind of 
> > advice that got Ravi *into* this situation?
> > 
> > Why does it strike me as the kind of belief that got
> > Levi Butler killed? "I know I'm supposed to be watch-
> > ing this guy, but I've got to go meditate right now.
> > Nothing bad can possibly happen if I do that."
> > 
> > Where's the point at which people stop praying and 
> > DO SOMETHING?
> > 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > RICK, she's right. This is potentially as serious as it *gets*.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On May 20, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > > > [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartbrain
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM
> > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [Fai

[FairfieldLife] Re: Boycott BP, buy more so they can pay the bill

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:

> I Googled effective boycotts in history and came upon a
> list of requirements. The BP boycott seems to fill the bill:
>  
> A Clear Issue.  A Visible Target.  Clear Alternatives to
> the Boycotted Product.  Visibility of Violations. An 
> Organized Effort. (It is not uncommon for a boycott to
> take years to be successful.) Damage to the Bottom Line.
> (Which may not impact BP significantly.)

I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this.

Some final comments:

As you note, the Damage to the Bottom Line requirement
is unlikely to be fulfilled.

And it isn't really a Clear Issue. A Clear Issue would
be something BP could do, or stop doing, that would
satisfy the goals of the boycott, and that's not the 
case here.

So your two most important requirements aren't met; 
and those that *are* met are just a matter of going
through the formal motions of a boycott.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Off Into the Sunset

[authfriend]

You've been a terrific contributor, tartbrain. Very sorry to
see you go. Hope you can eventually come back and jostle us
around some more!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> I have a busy time coming up and I need to streamline my time a bit. 
> 
> I have enjoyed many conversations on FFL -- have learned some good things -- 
> and clarified my thinking on interesting topics. 
> 
> I wish all of you the best in your endeavors and in realizing your dreams. 
> 
> (And for the sake of all, I hope the high drama soon settles down in the 
> world of the awakened.)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Boycott BP, buy more so they can pay the bill

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> > > And boycotting BP, I still say, is the wrong focus, because
> > > it implies that *BP* is the problem--that other oil 
> > > companies, or even a chastened and reformed BP, could go
> > > ahead and drill in the Gulf.
> > 
> > Boycotting is BP makes BP the poster child for everything
> > wrong with government regulation, our dependence on oil,
> > and the need for finding alternatives to oil. People 
> > boycotting BP are discussing these issues. They're raising
> > public awareness of the extent of the problems we face as
> > consumers of oil. If the boycott becomes massive enough,
> > it will keep the vast devastation BP brought to our planet
> > in the news and in your face. That's what boycotts do best.
> > It motivates people to petition their government, start
> > thinking what they can do personally to change their oil
> > consuming habits and feel a sense of solidarity that we're
> > in this mess together. The BP boycott is not just about BP.
> 
> I do understand the theory; I just don't agree with it
> in this case. I don't think most people will go through
> all those steps; I don't think they'll get that it isn't
> just about BP. The folks who *are* talking and thinking
> about it would do that anyway. The rest are just going to
> think they're doing their bit by not giving any of their
> cash to BP.
> 
> If it had any possibility of hurting BP's bottom line,
> it would be fine, as a demonstration of people power, to
> send a message to the gummint and the oil industry. But
> it's not going to do that. It's not going to even do much
> to hurt its PR. It has more than enough petty cash to
> mount its own, much more powerful pro-BP campaign.

I'd say BP's PR is pretty much in the tank (so to speak) and I don't see how 
they will ever recover from being known as the guys who killed the oceans. I'm 
indulging some hyperbole here, since we really don't know how much damage 
future generations will face, or if this is the beginning of the end for all of 
us.

I Googled effective boycotts in history and came upon a list of requirements. 
The BP boycott seems to fill the bill:
 
A Clear Issue.  A Visible Target.  Clear Alternatives to the Boycotted Product. 
 Visibility of Violations. An Organized Effort. (It is not uncommon for a 
boycott to take years to be successful.) Damage to the Bottom Line. (Which may 
not impact BP significantly.) 

http://boycott-thieves.blogspot.com/2005/11/boycotts-famous-ones-tips-for.html 

Frankly, I don't see any downside to a BP boycott. At its simplest level you 
just don't buy BP gas and at its best, it's an impetus to stop offshore 
drilling and move toward alternative energy. 

> 
> > What better focus would you suggest?
> 
> I'd go after offshore drilling, for starters, focusing
> on the environmental effects--not just on land but in
> the deep ocean--and point out that such spills are
> inevitable no matter who's doing the drilling. In
> particular I'd try to get a movement going to stop Shell's
> plans for drilling off Alaska, where a blowout like this
> would be vastly more difficult to remedy, even given the
> extreme difficulty of fixing this one.
> 

The people participating in the BP boycott are contributing to a much needed 
discussion about our dependence on oil and alternatives. The BP oil disaster 
has energized environmental activists who would not have found each other 
otherwise. As they unite in common cause, whether they simply avoid the BP 
pump, march on Washington, write to Congresspersons, buy an electric car, 
become a talking head on TV or YouTube, each small gesture enlivens public 
awareness that we must end oil consumption or kill the planet.

> Basically, the focus should be on prevention, not on
> ineffective punishment, in other words.
> Preventing offshore drilling will also bring the whole
> oil consumption issue into focus, because we've come
> close to exhausting onshore oil. Offshore drilling is
> one way to postpone Peak Oil, but what we want is to
> make people confront it.
> 

Congress doesn't have the political will to prevent offshore drilling. Oil 
companies contribute to elections for both parties. Now that SCOTUS has pulled 
the plug on corporate money, you can bet we'll have even more politicians doing 
the bidding of big oil.

An effective BP boycott should result in embarrassing anyone accepting campaign 
donations from an oil company.
 
> (In one sense, the best thing that could happen is for
> gas prices to go through the roof. That would get
> everybody's attention. The problem is it'll hurt low-
> income people the most. I don't know if there's any
> way to solve that conundrum. If we had a functioning
> government, maybe there'd be something that could be
> set up with vouchers or some other means-related
> arrangement.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[shukra69]

so a manipulative too, just filled with goodness

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > He left a different number here yesterday.  I swear most people
> > > > here don't seem to have known many other Indians other than MMY.
> > > > Indians are a wacky bunch and he's probably just having fun
> > > > posting here and really didn't care if he got bumped off the
> > > > group for over posting.  To him it is fun pushing a bunch of
> > > > gullible American's buttons.
> > > 
> > > Could well be, but I'd rather be embarrassed by falling for a
> > > hoax than because I kept quiet and something awful happened.
> > > 
> > > He's been doing an awfully convincing act of someone in the
> > > throes of serious psychosis, including death threats and
> > > threats of killing himself. I doubt even fun-loving, wacky
> > > Indians are up to this kind of gag.
> > 
> > P.S.: People who are just kidding around pretending to be
> > nuts are usually pretty *coherent*. Ravi's posts have been
> > getting increasingly *incoherent*. Genuine incoherence is
> > actually quite difficult to fake, especially at such
> > length.
> 
> Here's his latest public communication, posted a couple hours ago:
> 
> https://twitter.com/chivukularavi/status/14379172642
> 
> "Regardless of what I say the pimps at Fairfield life cant realize Krishna is 
> a master of confusion, deception. cream of the top, get it !!"
>

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[FairfieldLife] Off Into the Sunset

[tartbrain]

I have a busy time coming up and I need to streamline my time a bit. 

I have enjoyed many conversations on FFL -- have learned some good things -- 
and clarified my thinking on interesting topics. 

I wish all of you the best in your endeavors and in realizing your dreams. 

(And for the sake of all, I hope the high drama soon settles down in the world 
of the awakened.)

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[Yifu Xero]

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's see the hands.....

[lurkernomore20002000]

I think we have the post of the week here.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Let's see the hands of everyone here who thinks they are sane.  ;-)
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 8:05 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
 
  
I can hear it now. 

"Okay Ravi it is a seven day time limit. You are allowed 50 posts. You may
engage the participants in any verbal manuveaurs you see fit. And They can
respond with their own verbal manuveaurs. You will be called on any below
the belt attacks, but they are not illegal. Okay, now I want to come out
posting"

And the rest, as they say is FFL history. 
All I told him was that folks on FFL were talking about him, due to his
participation in BatGap, and that he might want to respond to their
comments.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> If you'd like to interview me about tacos, I'm your man. :-)

Oh Jesus.  I can just feel Edg on some rock outcropping ready to pounce.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[lurkernomore20002000]

I can hear it now. 

"Okay Ravi it is a seven day time limit. You are allowed 50 posts. You may 
engage the participants in any verbal manuveaurs you see fit. And They can 
respond with their own verbal manuveaurs. You will be called on any below the 
belt attacks, but they are not illegal. Okay, now I want to come out posting"

And the rest, as they say is FFL history. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Bhairitu
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:13 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior
> revealed.
>  
>   
> Alex Stanley wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , Ravi Chivukula
>  wrote:
> > 
> >> Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior
> >> 
> >
> > Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife
> moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This
> morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count,
> which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed
> to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are
> suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28.
> I told Ravi about the 50-post limit on his first day. If he has exceeded it,
> he should take a breather for a week like anyone else.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[lurkernomore20002000]

Isn't this where they trot out Sandra Glickman. I didn't listen to the 
interview, but I think Rick said that she had no "TMO" background.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Maybe Rick ought to try a show where he interviews ordinary people but 
> with the same questions he asked "the awakened."  And these should not 
> be folks from Fairfield but off the streets of Chicago or New York.  
> Might be hilarious.  Might be picked up by HBO.   ;-)
> 
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> > You sure do know how to pick 'em, Rick.
> >
> > Any other "ordinary enlightened folks" you want to share with us?
> > I'm thinkin' that this one spent too much time around the gas
> > pumps, and the fumes have gotten to him.  :-)
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
> >  wrote:
> >   
> >> Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior, he is right
> >> now in Kaali Bhava.Please read carefully.
> >>
> >> Bitches that don't have any experiences - positive or negative, please
> >> do comment negatively, I want to feed on you..:-)
> >> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[lurkernomore20002000]

I say let man have his posting priviledges back.  Unless of course,that would 
prolong the episode.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> authfriend wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
> >  wrote:
> >   
> >> What is it called?  Making an exception on "humanitarian
> >> grounds".  That's what I would say.  I think he needs us.  
> >> 
> >
> > He doesn't need *us*. He needs professional help, and
> > *fast*.
> >
> >   
> 
> He sounds like a typical DESI to me. :-D
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[lurkernomore20002000]

Have you seen the youtubes of those Pakistani's playing badminton.  Some kind 
of exercise there.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Alex Stanley wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > wrote:
> >   
> >> Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior
> >> 
> >
> > Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife 
> > moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This 
> > morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count, 
> > which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed 
> > to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are 
> > suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28.
> 
> We now return you to your regularly scheduled badminton games.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)

[lurkernomore20002000]

Joe,  maybe sometime I'll actually take the time for more than cursary look at 
your posts.  I couldn't even really say what is your general POV on things. As 
best I can determine, I think you are a chimer-inner

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> 
> Uh, right. Gotta get up pretty late in the afternoon to put one over on the 
> Lurker!
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I guess I kind of figured that if he was succeeding at work,  if he 
> > was having a somewhat normal family life, then how off kilter could he be. 
> > But after the most recent post, the Lurkster may have been the last to 
> > realize what was going on.  
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On May 19, 2010, at 10:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > What the hell happened!
> > > > >
> > > > > Someone showed some good sense?
> > > > 
> > > > Good sense?  In what way?
> > > > 
> > > > > > I mean maybe things are a bit over the top with what's 
> > > > > > going on with you,
> > > > >
> > > > > Understatement of the week.
> > > > >
> > > > > > but calling the cops? I don't get that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe someone was concerned that manic grandiosity
> > > > > and basically declaring himself Lord of the Universe while
> > > > > expecting others to respond accordingly were a tad odd.
> > > > > YMMV.
> > > > 
> > > > So what? That's his experience, or the way you interpret it. But
> > > > again, so what.What business is it of anyone elses? You've got some
> > > > views that I sometimes consider over the top. Do you want the police
> > > > knocking on your door for no legitimate reason. This so called
> > > > "intervention" stinks, and was not motivated by any notion of good
> > > > intention. It was motivated by pettiness. I will guarantee you that.
> > > 
> > > Lurk, what makes you think it ever happened?
> > > 
> > > I mean, this is the guy who has claimed that he's
> > > "dealt with" Sal and I and others here on FFL before
> > > on "Amma lists." He claimed it not only here, but on
> > > the BATGAP forum. 
> > > 
> > > That never happened. He dreamed it all up, as part 
> > > of some grandiose "I'm so important they persecute me"
> > > fantasy. I'm thinkin' that the "Somebody called the
> > > cops" ploy is another one out of the same playbook.
> > > 
> > > Most of this -- *including*, as far as I can tell, 
> > > the claims of "awakening" -- is all happening inside
> > > his head. 
> > > 
> > > Interestingly, as far as I can tell from a quick skim,
> > > he made *no impression at all* over on BATGAP. About
> > > the only person who bothered to even interact with
> > > him was Jim. That's a hopeful sign. Imagine if they
> > > had greeted him as "one of their own" and *encouraged*
> > > these fantasies.
> > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Someone finally did call the cops on me.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Boycott BP, buy more so they can pay the bill

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> > And boycotting BP, I still say, is the wrong focus, because
> > it implies that *BP* is the problem--that other oil 
> > companies, or even a chastened and reformed BP, could go
> > ahead and drill in the Gulf.
> 
> Boycotting is BP makes BP the poster child for everything
> wrong with government regulation, our dependence on oil,
> and the need for finding alternatives to oil. People 
> boycotting BP are discussing these issues. They're raising
> public awareness of the extent of the problems we face as
> consumers of oil. If the boycott becomes massive enough,
> it will keep the vast devastation BP brought to our planet
> in the news and in your face. That's what boycotts do best.
> It motivates people to petition their government, start
> thinking what they can do personally to change their oil
> consuming habits and feel a sense of solidarity that we're
> in this mess together. The BP boycott is not just about BP.

I do understand the theory; I just don't agree with it
in this case. I don't think most people will go through
all those steps; I don't think they'll get that it isn't
just about BP. The folks who *are* talking and thinking
about it would do that anyway. The rest are just going to
think they're doing their bit by not giving any of their
cash to BP.

If it had any possibility of hurting BP's bottom line,
it would be fine, as a demonstration of people power, to
send a message to the gummint and the oil industry. But
it's not going to do that. It's not going to even do much
to hurt its PR. It has more than enough petty cash to
mount its own, much more powerful pro-BP campaign.

> What better focus would you suggest?

I'd go after offshore drilling, for starters, focusing
on the environmental effects--not just on land but in
the deep ocean--and point out that such spills are
inevitable no matter who's doing the drilling. In
particular I'd try to get a movement going to stop Shell's
plans for drilling off Alaska, where a blowout like this
would be vastly more difficult to remedy, even given the
extreme difficulty of fixing this one.

Basically, the focus should be on prevention, not on
ineffective punishment, in other words.

Preventing offshore drilling will also bring the whole
oil consumption issue into focus, because we've come
close to exhausting onshore oil. Offshore drilling is
one way to postpone Peak Oil, but what we want is to
make people confront it.

(In one sense, the best thing that could happen is for
gas prices to go through the roof. That would get
everybody's attention. The problem is it'll hurt low-
income people the most. I don't know if there's any
way to solve that conundrum. If we had a functioning
government, maybe there'd be something that could be
set up with vouchers or some other means-related
arrangement.)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 2009 Saw Most Growth in Small Businesses in 14 Years

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon 
wrote:
>
> I guess that's why we have such low unemployment these days.:-)
>

Let's see.

The recession started in December of 2007 under Bush and his GOP
Congress.

The financial meltdown occurred in September 2008 under Bush and his GOP
Congress.

Obama took office in January of 2009.

Yeah. It's now going to take a colossal effort to clean up the
catastrophic financial disaster and the massive job losses that the Bush
administration and the GOP controlled Congress left behind and Obama
inherited.

However there's some very good news. Since Obama took office the massive
job loss has dramatically turned in the other direction as the following
graph clearly indicates:


  [america]
Graph link:
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/america.jpg


>
>
>
> 
> From: do.rflex do.rf...@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 1:24:21 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] 2009 Saw Most Growth in Small Businesses in
14 Years
>
> Â
>
>
>
>
>
> Record growth among entrepreneurs in U.S.
> By Ian Swanson - 05/20/10 06:00 AM ET
> Â Â Â Â Â Â  More entrepreneurs launched new
businesses in 2009 than at any other time in the past 14 years,
according to a study released Thursday.
> The figures from the Kauffman Index of Entrepreneurial Activity report
that entrepreneurs have remained a strength of the U.S. economy amid one
of the worst recessions on record.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] 2009 Saw Most Growth in Small Businesses in 14 Years

[Mike Dixon]

I guess that's why we have such low unemployment these days.:-)





From: do.rflex 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 1:24:21 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 2009 Saw Most Growth in Small Businesses in 14 Years

  





Record growth among entrepreneurs in U.S.
By Ian Swanson - 05/20/10 06:00 AM ET   
   More entrepreneurs launched new businesses in 2009 than at any other 
time in the past 14 years, according to a study released Thursday. 
The figures from the Kauffman Index of Entrepreneurial Activity report that 
entrepreneurs have remained a strength of the U.S. economy amid one of the 
worst recessions on record. 




  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Let's see the hands.....

[Mike Dixon]

Ah, but was he sane?





From: TurquoiseB 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 11:44:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Let's see the hands.

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Let's see the hands of everyone here who thinks they are sane. ;-)

I have an official piece of paper from the Spanish 
medical authorities -- with an official government
seal and everything -- certifying that I am perfectly
sane. I needed such a paper to get a long stay visa.

True, the guy who wrote it for me and signed and 
sealed it had known me for all of five minutes, but
it *is* official. :-)





  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Let's see the hands.....

[Bhairitu]

WillyTex wrote:
> Bhairitu:
>   
>> Let's see the hands of everyone here 
>> who thinks they are sane.  ;-)
>>
>> 
> Well, I don't see your hand.

For the same reason I don't see yours?

[FairfieldLife] States united, with no common wealth - Raj Patel

[nablusoss1008]

States united, with no common wealthRAJ PATEL May 21, 2010

Be the first to comment <#comments>



What is wrong with America? It's a country founded on the brutal
extermination of indigenous people, where inequality and racial
intolerance are on the rise, and where the government - once seen as a
huge improvement on its right-wing predecessor - seems happy to renege
on its commitments to climate change.

But, rather than dwell on the similarities between Australia and the US,
I've been asked to write about the differences. That's OK. ''What's
wrong with America?'' is a question most Americans have to field when
overseas, and not unreasonably these days.

To the untrained eye the US appears mired. Immigration laws in Arizona
now require police to search folk who don't look American. Healthcare
reform is a blank cheque to the health insurance industry and, while the
many wars and trillion-dollar bailouts bankrupt the country, more than
49 million Americans went hungry last year.

Asking ''What's wrong?'' implies a time when all was well, yet it's hard
to think when that might have been. Surely no one's eyes mist over when
they think of George W. Bush's two stolen presidencies, the blood on his
hands, the apocalypse of hurricane Katrina. Clinton's years look better
only because most his seeds of destruction germinated after he left
office.

He dismantled welfare for the poor, removed the safeguards that had kept
the banking industry in check, and destroyed the economies of a range of
developing countries through trade agreements in agriculture - most
notably Haiti and Mexico.

Reagan was hardly better. His legacy: Central American invasions, the
Iran-Contra affair, the savings-and-loan scandal and the abandonment of
the poor, though some of the earliest neoliberal policies were adopted
by Jimmy Carter.

The rot has been there since the beginning, and has been papered over
for more than 200 years. The problem stems from this contradiction:
Uncle Sam's freedom has long been bestowed on his richest nephews but
the unequal sharing has always been accompanied by generous songs of
inclusion and, above all, democracy. Freedom for the rich today is
premised on a promise for everyone else for tomorrow.

The comedian George Carlin observed that: ''It's called the American
dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.'' The Depression-era
poet Langston Hughes put it like this in Let America Be America Again:
''all the dreams we've dreamed/And all the songs we've sung/And all the
hopes we've held/And all the flags we've hung,/The millions who have
nothing for our pay -/Except the dream that's almost dead today.''

The dream may be dead but the question is alive for the US and every
other democracy, too. Peter Carey has in his recent and masterful Parrot
and Olivier in America revisited the tensions of US freedom and
democracy by shadowing one of the earliest explorers of the American
paradox: the French aristocrat Alexis de Tocqueville. In Democracy in
America, Tocqueville asked: ''Can it be believed that the democracy
which has overthrown the feudal system and vanquished kings will retreat
before tradesmen and capitalists?''

Tocqueville's wasn't an entirely fair question, though: the American
Revolution was itself hatched by the tradesmen and capitalists. George
Washington was one of the country's richest men and, over the past
200-odd years, US democracy hasn't strayed terribly far from its scions'
roots. The average wealth of a US senator in 2008 was over $US10
million, and nearly half of all elected officials in Congress are
millionaires.

Today the freedom to vote for one's leaders is merely a licence to
select from a limited range of venal and base people, the liberty to
choose between Coke and Pepsi politics. This is not a democracy so much
as a complainocracy - where one bunch of bastards can be whined out of
office to be replaced by another set, every two to four years.

Yet the promise of freedom amid its grinding absence is also what has
generated some of the most inspirational politics of the past century.
The organising heydays of the 1930s and 1960s spawned waves of feminism,
environmentalism, civil rights consciousness and social justice in the
US and around the world.

At the Seattle World Trade Organisation protests in 1999, movements for
social justice once again took to American streets. Although the attacks
of September 11, 2001, and the Bush administration did much to crush
these movements, there's something palpably progressive to be found on
those streets again. That's as it should be.

The struggle for change has always been the most democratic, most awake,
most realisable part of the American dream. Langston Hughes, towards the
end of his indictment, put it wisely: ''O, yes, I say it plain,/America
never was America to me,/And yet I swear this oath -/ America will be!''

So. Is what's wrong with Australia so very different from what's wrong
with America?

Raj Patel is the author of The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > 
> > > He left a different number here yesterday.  I swear most people
> > > here don't seem to have known many other Indians other than MMY.
> > > Indians are a wacky bunch and he's probably just having fun
> > > posting here and really didn't care if he got bumped off the
> > > group for over posting.  To him it is fun pushing a bunch of
> > > gullible American's buttons.
> > 
> > Could well be, but I'd rather be embarrassed by falling for a
> > hoax than because I kept quiet and something awful happened.
> > 
> > He's been doing an awfully convincing act of someone in the
> > throes of serious psychosis, including death threats and
> > threats of killing himself. I doubt even fun-loving, wacky
> > Indians are up to this kind of gag.
> 
> P.S.: People who are just kidding around pretending to be
> nuts are usually pretty *coherent*. Ravi's posts have been
> getting increasingly *incoherent*. Genuine incoherence is
> actually quite difficult to fake, especially at such
> length.

Here's his latest public communication, posted a couple hours ago:

https://twitter.com/chivukularavi/status/14379172642

"Regardless of what I say the pimps at Fairfield life cant realize Krishna is a 
master of confusion, deception. cream of the top, get it !!"

[FairfieldLife] Re: 2009 Saw Most Growth in Small Businesses in 14 Years

[do.rflex]

Sorry I messed that one up. Here's the link to the story:
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/98807-record-growth-in-new-businesses




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
>   [THE
> HILL]  
> Record growth among entrepreneurs in U.S.By
> Ian Swanson -   05/20/10 06:00
> AM ET
> More entrepreneurs launched new businesses in 2009 than at any 
> other time  in the past 14 years, according to a study released
> Thursday.
> 
> The  figures from the Kauffman Index of Entrepreneurial Activity report
> that  entrepreneurs have remained a strength of the U.S. economy amid
> one of  the worst recessions on record.
>

[FairfieldLife] BP Gives Florida $25 Million for Beach Ads

[do.rflex]

Cartoon link: http://www.bartcop.com/bp-come-on-down.jpg




True story:


BP Gives Florida $25 Million for Beach Ads

British Petroleum agreed Monday to give Florida another $25 million  to
pay for an advertising campaign promising that the state's beaches 
remain open and fishing is going strong even as the company struggles to
stanch a massive oil spill off Louisiana's Gulf coast.

The cash comes on top of $25 million the company has already pledged  to
help offset the state's costs in preparing coastal regions for a 
possible landfall of the oil, which continues to mass roughly 350 miles 
from the St. Petersburg shoreline.

The announcement came following a meeting at the Florida Capitol 
between BP chief executive officer Tony Hayward and Gov. Charlie Crist. 
Hayward also said $15 million each in tourism grants will be distributed
to Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana.
Full story at The Jacksonville Observer:
http://www.jaxobserver.com/2010/05/18/bp-gives-florida-25-million-for-be\
ach-ads/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[yifuxero]

thx, excellent points!  I don't have time to go into this topic at length; but 
basically in answer to question posed in the Bible "Who is your Brother's 
Keeper";...if "Brother/Sister" ends only two doors down, I take issue with that.
 A certain Buddhist perspective (which I groked from various Teachers) is that 
I am responsible for everything and everybody in the universe.  Therefore I 
personally am responsible for Ravi.
otoh, if you prefer not to take such responsibility, that's ok with me.
...
then the questions you posed:  first, praying (I usually pray/chant in 
conjunction with various Deities/Yidams such as Kali, Kwan Yin, etc)...IS DOING 
something.  The enery circulates in the inner planes.  The energy of pujas, 
Yagyas, prayers, etc; eventually manifests physically.
By "doing" something I assume you mean on the physical plane of existence.
That's a very limited pov.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> >
> > pray for him in the traditional sense. The combined Shakti 
> > and good-will may steer him in the right direction, whatever 
> > that may be.
> 
> Why does this strike me as exactly the same kind of 
> advice that got Ravi *into* this situation?
> 
> Why does it strike me as the kind of belief that got
> Levi Butler killed? "I know I'm supposed to be watch-
> ing this guy, but I've got to go meditate right now.
> Nothing bad can possibly happen if I do that."
> 
> Where's the point at which people stop praying and 
> DO SOMETHING?
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > RICK, she's right. This is potentially as serious as it *gets*.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On May 20, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > > [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartbrain
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM
> > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior 
> > > > > > revealed.
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS DOING, IF 
> > > > > > ANYTHING, SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO 
> > > > > > EACH OTHER.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I emailed him privately. I'll keep you posted.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Let me get this straight, Rick.  A guy makes 
> > > > > numerous posts that could be interpreted 
> > > > > as violently threatening and indicating that
> > > > > he could very possibly be in the throes of a 
> > > > > psychotic breakdown--and you email that same
> > > > > person to ask...what?  If he's "OK"?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm no psychologist, but one could draw from
> > > > > this the fact that you are trying to avoid dealing
> > > > > with any form of unpleasantness from a person
> > > > > you previously touted as "awakened."
> > > > > 
> > > > > By all means don't do anything if you don't
> > > > > feel like it---it's not like you're responsible for
> > > > > him.  I just hope what you did do isn't used
> > > > > by him as evidence that he really is OK. Because by
> > > > > all appearances, he's on the verge of some
> > > > > serious doo-doo here.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sal
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Why is this all being made into being Rick's responsibility? What really 
> > > can Rick do that anyone else here can't do?
> > >
> >
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[Rick Archer]

I just had the one I found through Google, which was (510) 438-8956  
 
I'll try to call him this evening.
 
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:15 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
 
  
Rick, this was the number he gave in a post last night:

408-505-9815 

Is this the one you have for him?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Another FFL reader/Amma devotee contacted the head of Amma's organization
in
> the US. He said he'd bring it to Amma's attention. I sent him Ravi's phone
> number and suggested that he may have some Bay area friends who could
> intervene. Of course, neither of these may be sufficient. He may need some
> mandatory professional help.
>

[FairfieldLife] 2009 Saw Most Growth in Small Businesses in 14 Years

[do.rflex]

  [THE
HILL]  
Record growth among entrepreneurs in U.S.By
Ian Swanson -   05/20/10 06:00
AM ET
More entrepreneurs launched new businesses in 2009 than at any 
other time  in the past 14 years, according to a study released
Thursday.

The  figures from the Kauffman Index of Entrepreneurial Activity report
that  entrepreneurs have remained a strength of the U.S. economy amid
one of  the worst recessions on record.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> 
> > He left a different number here yesterday.  I swear most people
> > here don't seem to have known many other Indians other than MMY.
> > Indians are a wacky bunch and he's probably just having fun
> > posting here and really didn't care if he got bumped off the
> > group for over posting.  To him it is fun pushing a bunch of
> > gullible American's buttons.
> 
> Could well be, but I'd rather be embarrassed by falling for a
> hoax than because I kept quiet and something awful happened.
> 
> He's been doing an awfully convincing act of someone in the
> throes of serious psychosis, including death threats and
> threats of killing himself. I doubt even fun-loving, wacky
> Indians are up to this kind of gag.

P.S.: People who are just kidding around pretending to be
nuts are usually pretty *coherent*. Ravi's posts have been
getting increasingly *incoherent*. Genuine incoherence is
actually quite difficult to fake, especially at such
length.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's see the hands.....

[WillyTex]

Bhairitu:
> Let's see the hands of everyone here 
> who thinks they are sane.  ;-)
>
Well, I don't see your hand.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's see the hands.....

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > Let's see the hands of everyone here who thinks they are sane.  ;-)
> 
> I have an official piece of paper from the Spanish 
> medical authorities -- with an official government
> seal and everything -- certifying that I am perfectly
> sane. I needed such a paper to get a long stay visa.
> 
> True, the guy who wrote it for me and signed and 
> sealed it had known me for all of five minutes, but
> it *is* official.  :-)
>

But that certification does not guarantee that any virgin girls over there are 
safe with you around.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:

> He left a different number here yesterday.  I swear most people
> here don't seem to have known many other Indians other than MMY.
> Indians are a wacky bunch and he's probably just having fun
> posting here and really didn't care if he got bumped off the
> group for over posting.  To him it is fun pushing a bunch of
> gullible American's buttons.

Could well be, but I'd rather be embarrassed by falling for a
hoax than because I kept quiet and something awful happened.

He's been doing an awfully convincing act of someone in the
throes of serious psychosis, including death threats and
threats of killing himself. I doubt even fun-loving, wacky
Indians are up to this kind of gag.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[Bhairitu]

Rick Archer wrote:
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of do.rflex
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:02 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
>  
> Why is this all being made into being Rick's responsibility? What really can
> Rick do that anyone else here can't do? 
> Here's what I said to him:
> Ravi, what's up with you? I'm getting emails all day long from people
> concerned about your well-being and that of the people around you. I don't
> have time to read all these things you're writing, but they seem pretty
> nutty to me. If you are sane, and genuinely awakened, don't you feel some
> obligation to do good in the world? Do you think you're helping people with
> all this stuff. Are you just entertaining yourself by acting crazy and
> seeing how others react? If you are as disturbed as these posts make you
> sound, then you need help, and I hope you seek it. Amma is coming soon, but
> you may need help sooner than that. 
>  
> Please give me a straight answer. I'm concerned too.
> --
> I don't have any way to contact him other than email and Skype, and his
> Skype account is inactive at the moment. If you do a Google search, you get
> this:
> Ravi Chivukula  (510) 438-8956  Fremont, CA 94536-
> Maybe I'll try calling him tonight, but someone said he had gone to Phoenix.
>
>   

He left a different number here yesterday.  I swear most people here 
don't seem to have known many other Indians other than MMY.  Indians are 
a wacky bunch and he's probably just having fun posting here and really 
didn't care if he got bumped off the group for over posting.  To him it 
is fun pushing a bunch of gullible American's buttons.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[tartbrain]

Thanks for doing that Rick

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Another FFL reader/Amma devotee contacted the head of Amma's organization in
> the US. He said he'd bring it to Amma's attention. I sent him Ravi's phone
> number and suggested that he may have some Bay area friends who could
> intervene. Of course, neither of these may be sufficient. He may need some
> mandatory professional help.
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[Rick Archer]

Another FFL reader/Amma devotee contacted the head of Amma's organization in
the US. He said he'd bring it to Amma's attention. I sent him Ravi's phone
number and suggested that he may have some Bay area friends who could
intervene. Of course, neither of these may be sufficient. He may need some
mandatory professional help.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of do.rflex
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:02 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
 
Why is this all being made into being Rick's responsibility? What really can
Rick do that anyone else here can't do? 
Here's what I said to him:
Ravi, what's up with you? I'm getting emails all day long from people
concerned about your well-being and that of the people around you. I don't
have time to read all these things you're writing, but they seem pretty
nutty to me. If you are sane, and genuinely awakened, don't you feel some
obligation to do good in the world? Do you think you're helping people with
all this stuff. Are you just entertaining yourself by acting crazy and
seeing how others react? If you are as disturbed as these posts make you
sound, then you need help, and I hope you seek it. Amma is coming soon, but
you may need help sooner than that. 
 
Please give me a straight answer. I'm concerned too.
--
I don't have any way to contact him other than email and Skype, and his
Skype account is inactive at the moment. If you do a Google search, you get
this:
Ravi Chivukula  (510) 438-8956  Fremont, CA 94536-
Maybe I'll try calling him tonight, but someone said he had gone to Phoenix.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> >
> > pray for him in the traditional sense. The combined Shakti 
> > and good-will may steer him in the right direction, whatever 
> > that may be.
> 
> Why does this strike me as exactly the same kind of 
> advice that got Ravi *into* this situation?

Oh, you know what kind of advice it was that got Ravi
into this situation? Do tell us.

> Why does it strike me as the kind of belief that got
> Levi Butler killed? "I know I'm supposed to be watch-
> ing this guy, but I've got to go meditate right now.
> Nothing bad can possibly happen if I do that."

Why? Because you're a horse's ass, that's why.

> Where's the point at which people stop praying and 
> DO SOMETHING?

Nobody has advocated praying *instead of* doing
something concrete.

Some of us (not you) have been doing everything we can
think of to galvanize those who are in a position to do 
something into action. I emailed Rick three days ago 
and several times since; so have others.

This was well before you even realized Ravi might be in
trouble; you were too busy swinging your dick at him
and comparing him to Jim Flanegin to notice. Now that
everybody else has figured it out, you're embarrassed,
and as usual you're trying to take it out on other people.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[Vaj]

On May 20, 2010, at 2:27 PM, yifuxero wrote:

pray for him in the traditional sense. The combined Shakti and good- 
will may steer him in the right direction, whatever that may be.



Some "Vitamin H" might be a better suggestion. Maybe they could get a  
volume discount for the BATGAP list? Too bad MAPI doesn't sell it...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's see the hands.....

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Let's see the hands of everyone here who thinks they are sane.  ;-)

I have an official piece of paper from the Spanish 
medical authorities -- with an official government
seal and everything -- certifying that I am perfectly
sane. I needed such a paper to get a long stay visa.

True, the guy who wrote it for me and signed and 
sealed it had known me for all of five minutes, but
it *is* official.  :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Boycott BP, buy more so they can pay the bill

[Bhairitu]

WillyTex wrote:
> You probably drive fifty miles a day just to 
> get some organic raisens at the Oakland Whole 
> Foods Market. Go figure. 

Why would I do that when the super market at the top of the hill has 
organic raisins?  You're not making any sense.  And if I want to go the 
Whole Foods which I don't think has a store in Oakland but in Berkeley 
on Telegraph I would go to Walnut Creek (about 12 miles away).  But we 
call "Whole Foods" "Whole Wallet" around here and the Wally Creek 
store's location sucks.

[FairfieldLife] Let's see the hands.....

[Bhairitu]

Let's see the hands of everyone here who thinks they are sane.  ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > RICK, she's right. This is potentially as serious as it *gets*.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> > >
> > > On May 20, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > > 
> > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartbrain
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior 
> > > > revealed.
> > > >  
> > > > IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS DOING, IF 
> > > > ANYTHING, SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO EACH 
> > > > OTHER.
> > > > 
> > > > I emailed him privately. I'll keep you posted.
> > > 
> > > Let me get this straight, Rick.  A guy makes 
> > > numerous posts that could be interpreted 
> > > as violently threatening and indicating that
> > > he could very possibly be in the throes of a 
> > > psychotic breakdown--and you email that same
> > > person to ask...what?  If he's "OK"?
> > > 
> > > I'm no psychologist, but one could draw from
> > > this the fact that you are trying to avoid dealing
> > > with any form of unpleasantness from a person
> > > you previously touted as "awakened."
> > > 
> > > By all means don't do anything if you don't
> > > feel like it---it's not like you're responsible for
> > > him.  I just hope what you did do isn't used
> > > by him as evidence that he really is OK. Because by
> > > all appearances, he's on the verge of some
> > > serious doo-doo here.
> > > 
> > > Sal
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> Why is this all being made into being Rick's responsibility? What really can 
> Rick do that anyone else here can't do?
>

Well, my thoughts were

1) Rick appears to be the only one on FFL who has had personal contact with him 
-- and probably has his phone #

2) Ravi says he 'loves Rick" and thus may listen more to him than others.

3) Rick is connected to AMMA org and could make phone calls to Bay area and 
pheonix to have some one check on him 

4) Rick apppears networked with a lot of people and may have others that could 
help check on him (and his wife and kids)

5) Ricks actons in interviewing him and inviting him to FFL may have 
inadvertently triggered something in Ravi. While in no way is Rick to blame, 
still it is not a bizzarre concept that he might take some steps to help Ravi 
out.

On a broader level, Jim on BatGap says Ravi is fine, that he just drinks too 
much coffee. That may be the case. However, if Ravi is an example of a fully 
awakened enlightened being simply on a bit too much coffee, I have lost much 
taste for all of this. And some of the other interviewees  seemed a bit 
brittle. I question the premise of inviting people to share with the world 
their enlightenment without any sort of screening. For those that are on the 
edge, this is throwing gas on the fire of self-engrandizement. 

But of course, all of us could do things to help. Thats why I asked rick to 
clarify what he is doing so we don't overlap or counteract each other's steps. 

However, since others in Bay Area also seem concerned, they had the police 
visit him, maybe all that can be done is being done -- at at "professional" 
level. Still, getting Amma folks in Bay Area involved, to help check him out 
and guide him through this  if he is "out of it" seems prudent.

This week has been enlightening in many ways. 




  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Boycott BP, buy more so they can pay the bill

[Bhairitu]

Which if they are in pension funds or IRAs probably have been moved into 
other investments by now.

Mike Dixon wrote:
> I was just wondering how many Unions have their pensions invested in oil 
> companies, like BP.
>
>   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yoga-suutras

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> http://twitter.com/yoga_sutras
>

Thanks, nice tweets to meditate on.
-Buck

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> pray for him in the traditional sense. The combined Shakti 
> and good-will may steer him in the right direction, whatever 
> that may be.

Why does this strike me as exactly the same kind of 
advice that got Ravi *into* this situation?

Why does it strike me as the kind of belief that got
Levi Butler killed? "I know I'm supposed to be watch-
ing this guy, but I've got to go meditate right now.
Nothing bad can possibly happen if I do that."

Where's the point at which people stop praying and 
DO SOMETHING?


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > RICK, she's right. This is potentially as serious as it *gets*.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On May 20, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartbrain
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior 
> > > > > revealed.
> > > > >  
> > > > > IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS DOING, IF 
> > > > > ANYTHING, SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO 
> > > > > EACH OTHER.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I emailed him privately. I'll keep you posted.
> > > > 
> > > > Let me get this straight, Rick.  A guy makes 
> > > > numerous posts that could be interpreted 
> > > > as violently threatening and indicating that
> > > > he could very possibly be in the throes of a 
> > > > psychotic breakdown--and you email that same
> > > > person to ask...what?  If he's "OK"?
> > > > 
> > > > I'm no psychologist, but one could draw from
> > > > this the fact that you are trying to avoid dealing
> > > > with any form of unpleasantness from a person
> > > > you previously touted as "awakened."
> > > > 
> > > > By all means don't do anything if you don't
> > > > feel like it---it's not like you're responsible for
> > > > him.  I just hope what you did do isn't used
> > > > by him as evidence that he really is OK. Because by
> > > > all appearances, he's on the verge of some
> > > > serious doo-doo here.
> > > > 
> > > > Sal
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Why is this all being made into being Rick's responsibility? What really 
> > can Rick do that anyone else here can't do?
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
 
> Why is this all being made into being Rick's responsibility?
> What really can Rick do that anyone else here can't do?

Rick knows him personally.

It's not Rick's "responsibility" per se, but he's in a better
position to do something than anyone else here, obviously.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[yifuxero]

pray for him in the traditional sense. The combined Shakti and good-will may 
steer him in the right direction, whatever that may be.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > RICK, she's right. This is potentially as serious as it *gets*.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> > >
> > > On May 20, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > > 
> > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartbrain
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior 
> > > > revealed.
> > > >  
> > > > IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS DOING, IF 
> > > > ANYTHING, SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO EACH 
> > > > OTHER.
> > > > 
> > > > I emailed him privately. I'll keep you posted.
> > > 
> > > Let me get this straight, Rick.  A guy makes 
> > > numerous posts that could be interpreted 
> > > as violently threatening and indicating that
> > > he could very possibly be in the throes of a 
> > > psychotic breakdown--and you email that same
> > > person to ask...what?  If he's "OK"?
> > > 
> > > I'm no psychologist, but one could draw from
> > > this the fact that you are trying to avoid dealing
> > > with any form of unpleasantness from a person
> > > you previously touted as "awakened."
> > > 
> > > By all means don't do anything if you don't
> > > feel like it---it's not like you're responsible for
> > > him.  I just hope what you did do isn't used
> > > by him as evidence that he really is OK. Because by
> > > all appearances, he's on the verge of some
> > > serious doo-doo here.
> > > 
> > > Sal
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> Why is this all being made into being Rick's responsibility? What really can 
> Rick do that anyone else here can't do?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> RICK, she's right. This is potentially as serious as it *gets*.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> >
> > On May 20, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > 
> > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartbrain
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
> > >  
> > > IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS DOING, IF 
> > > ANYTHING, SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO EACH 
> > > OTHER.
> > > 
> > > I emailed him privately. I'll keep you posted.
> > 
> > Let me get this straight, Rick.  A guy makes 
> > numerous posts that could be interpreted 
> > as violently threatening and indicating that
> > he could very possibly be in the throes of a 
> > psychotic breakdown--and you email that same
> > person to ask...what?  If he's "OK"?
> > 
> > I'm no psychologist, but one could draw from
> > this the fact that you are trying to avoid dealing
> > with any form of unpleasantness from a person
> > you previously touted as "awakened."
> > 
> > By all means don't do anything if you don't
> > feel like it---it's not like you're responsible for
> > him.  I just hope what you did do isn't used
> > by him as evidence that he really is OK. Because by
> > all appearances, he's on the verge of some
> > serious doo-doo here.
> > 
> > Sal
> >
>


Why is this all being made into being Rick's responsibility? What really can 
Rick do that anyone else here can't do? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[authfriend]

RICK, she's right. This is potentially as serious as it *gets*.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On May 20, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] 
> > On Behalf Of tartbrain
> > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
> >  
> > IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS DOING, IF 
> > ANYTHING, SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO EACH 
> > OTHER.
> > 
> > I emailed him privately. I'll keep you posted.
> 
> Let me get this straight, Rick.  A guy makes 
> numerous posts that could be interpreted 
> as violently threatening and indicating that
> he could very possibly be in the throes of a 
> psychotic breakdown--and you email that same
> person to ask...what?  If he's "OK"?
> 
> I'm no psychologist, but one could draw from
> this the fact that you are trying to avoid dealing
> with any form of unpleasantness from a person
> you previously touted as "awakened."
> 
> By all means don't do anything if you don't
> feel like it---it's not like you're responsible for
> him.  I just hope what you did do isn't used
> by him as evidence that he really is OK. Because by
> all appearances, he's on the verge of some
> serious doo-doo here.
> 
> Sal
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[Sal Sunshine]

On May 20, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of tartbrain
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
>  
> IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS DOING, IF ANYTHING, 
> SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO EACH OTHER.
> 
> I emailed him privately. I'll keep you posted.

Let me get this straight, Rick.  A guy makes 
numerous posts that could be interpreted 
as violently threatening and indicating that
he could very possibly be in the throes of a 
psychotic breakdown--and you email that same
person to ask...what?  If he's "OK"?

I'm no psychologist, but one could draw from
this the fact that you are trying to avoid dealing
with any form of unpleasantness from a person
you previously touted as "awakened."

By all means don't do anything if you don't
feel like it---it's not like you're responsible for
him.  I just hope what you did do isn't used
by him as evidence that he really is OK. Because by
all appearances, he's on the verge of some
serious doo-doo here.

Sal

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:56 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> > On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
> >
> > You sure do know how to pick 'em, Rick.
> > 
> > Any other "ordinary enlightened folks" you want to share with us?
> 
> How 'bout you?

LOL. Not likely. The flashes of realization I've had in 
the past were fun, but fleeting. I neither seek nor 
particularly revere them these days.

In retrospect, the best experiences of higher states of
consciousness I have had in the past are no "better" to
me in any way than the everyday experience of eating a 
taco. Really. Thus I don't think I'm a likely candidate 
for filling 90 minutes talking about them.

If you'd like to interview me about tacos, I'm your man. :-)
Might take me up on that, but first you'll have to take me out for tacos.

[FairfieldLife] Ravi on Amma chat

[Rick Archer]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ammachi/?yguid=102438402
 
The moderator there has put him on "moderated" status, and he has posted out
here.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Boycott BP, buy more so they can pay the bill

[Mike Dixon]

I was just wondering how many Unions have their pensions invested in oil 
companies, like BP.





From: WillyTex 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 8:29:05 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Boycott BP, buy more so they can pay the bill

  


Bhairitu:
> No, they are a BAD company so they deserve to 
> go under.
>
So, that's your solution to the Gulf oil leak:
call BP a 'BAD' company that needs to 'go under'?

Why should a publicly owned company like BP be 
prevented from drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, 
while PEMEX, a Mexican state owned company, is 
allowed to drill thousands of unregulated wells 
in the same Gulf? 

Are you thinking that local Mexican drilling is 
safer than international U.K. drilling?

You are not making any sense - maybe you have
not thought this through! 

> Let their stockholders pay the bill.
>
So, you obviously don't own any stocks in BP,
and from what I've read, you own no stocks in
any company - so you're hardly a person to be 
making any stockholders take millions in 
losses.

> We need to break up large corporations as 
> they are just TOO BIG to exist.
> 
When are you going to unsubscribe to Comcast -
they don't get much bigger than that. 

You probably drive fifty miles a day just to 
get some organic raisens at the Oakland Whole 
Foods Market. Go figure. 





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> > On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
> >
> > You sure do know how to pick 'em, Rick.
> > 
> > Any other "ordinary enlightened folks" you want to share with us?
> 
> How 'bout you?

LOL. Not likely. The flashes of realization I've had in 
the past were fun, but fleeting. I neither seek nor 
particularly revere them these days.

In retrospect, the best experiences of higher states of
consciousness I have had in the past are no "better" to
me in any way than the everyday experience of eating a 
taco. Really. Thus I don't think I'm a likely candidate 
for filling 90 minutes talking about them.

If you'd like to interview me about tacos, I'm your man.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> > Hard to know how much is just psychotic raving and how
> > much indicates serious intent to do harm to himself or
> > others, but you can't just wait around to find out in a
> > situation like this. It's a mental health emergency.
> 
> Yes. It may be all bluster. but he seems so out of it who
> knows what he may do.

It's conceivable the whole thing is a put-on, I suppose,
designed to get us all upset. But there's something not
right with a person who would try to pull that kind of
stunt in the first place.

Given all the physical threats, even if it's just 
alarmism, it's warranted. The potential consequences if
nothing is done and he really is having a psychotic break
could be vastly worse than if the authorities were called
in and it turned out to be a hoax.


> IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS
> DOING, IF ANYTHING, SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR
> COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO EACH OTHER.

I don't have the sense Rick quite gets how serious this
could be. Emails to Ravi asking how he's doing are not
likely to accomplish anything useful.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:10 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
 
  
You sure do know how to pick 'em, Rick.

Any other "ordinary enlightened folks" you want to share with us?
How 'bout you?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[WillyTex]

> > Ravi's posting privileges are suspended until the 
> > evening of Friday, May 28...
> 
Bhairitu
> We now return you to your regularly scheduled 
> badminton games.
>
Do they have any 'badminton games' on cable TV - you 
could record them, I guess.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of tartbrain
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
 
IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF RICK CAN RESPOND AS TO WHAT HE IS DOING, IF ANYTHING,
SO EFFORTS ARE NOT OVERLAPPING OR COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO EACH OTHER.
I emailed him privately. I'll keep you posted.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[Bhairitu]

Maybe Rick ought to try a show where he interviews ordinary people but 
with the same questions he asked "the awakened."  And these should not 
be folks from Fairfield but off the streets of Chicago or New York.  
Might be hilarious.  Might be picked up by HBO.   ;-)

TurquoiseB wrote:
> You sure do know how to pick 'em, Rick.
>
> Any other "ordinary enlightened folks" you want to share with us?
> I'm thinkin' that this one spent too much time around the gas
> pumps, and the fumes have gotten to him.  :-)
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
>  wrote:
>   
>> Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior, he is right
>> now in Kaali Bhava.Please read carefully.
>>
>> Bitches that don't have any experiences - positive or negative, please
>> do comment negatively, I want to feed on you..:-)
>> 
>
>
>
>
>   

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Bhairitu
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:13 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior
revealed.
 
  
Alex Stanley wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Ravi Chivukula
 wrote:
> 
>> Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior
>> 
>
> Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife
moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This
morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count,
which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed
to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are
suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28.
I told Ravi about the 50-post limit on his first day. If he has exceeded it,
he should take a breather for a week like anyone else.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[WillyTex]

> > Hard to know how much is just psychotic raving and how
> > much indicates serious intent to do harm to himself or
> > others, but you can't just wait around to find out in a
> > situation like this. It's a mental health emergency.
> >
tart: 
> One point for bluster-- I checked his twitter page -- and 
> he has one follower. He is tweeting to no one essentially.
> 
So, you're a Ravi Twitter Reader informant.
 
> It seem a obvious first step for the Amma people to work 
> with him. I e-mailed them yesterday -- but no response... 

And, you're thinking Ravi needs professional help? 

[FairfieldLife] Daybreakers -- movie

[Bhairitu]

Watched this film last night on Bluray.Interesting film and well 
executed.  It's about the world after it has become mostly vampires and 
regular humans are farmed as food.  It was done by a couple of Aussie 
brothers who made a prior low budget horror film called "Undead" which 
Lionsgate picked up and then decided to fund this big budget 
production.   There was something that bugged me though about this 
film.  It seemed to lack soul.  The movie is 1 hour 38 minutes though 
the last 6 of that is credits.  The "making of" featurette or 
documentary is slightly over 2 hours long.  It revealed why the film 
lacked soul.  They planned out everything in excruciating  detail.  They 
did this to assure the producers they were capable of taking on a big 
budget production.  So basically all the actors had to do was walk 
through their part and the job got done.  I didn't finish all two hours 
but I'm wondering if in the end they decided they won't do that next time.

Good film though and worth a watch if you're like horror.  Be sure to 
watch the 13 minute short they made too.

I also watched the pilot for the new FOX comedy "The Good Guys" and 
liked it.  It stars Collin Hanks and is about a couple of detectives who 
get the bottom of the barrel cases to go after.  I also wanted to watch 
it because it stars Jenny Wade who was great in the CW comedy series 
"Reaper" as a demon girlfriend of the principle character.  She has 
great comedic timing.  Unfortunately they've given her the roll of the 
DA and since the show takes place in Dallas a Texas accent which seemed 
to get in the way of her delivery though in the pilot she doesn't get 
much to do.  What I really liked was the way the show was filmed.  
Looked very 1970s.  This show was just the pilot and will be a summer 
series.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[Bhairitu]

Alex Stanley wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> wrote:
>   
>> Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior
>> 
>
> Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife 
> moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This 
> morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count, 
> which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed 
> to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are 
> suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled badminton games.

[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)

[WillyTex]

> > Interestingly, as far as I can tell from a quick skim,
> > he made *no impression at all* over on BATGAP. About
> > the only person who bothered to even interact with
> > him was Jim. That's a hopeful sign. Imagine if they
> > had greeted him as "one of their own" and *encouraged*
> > these fantasies...
> 
Bhairitu:
> And that's why we call FFL the "Funny Farm Lounge". ;-)
>
Now that's really funny, coming from a Couch Potato! The
two Barry's actually started up a dialog with Ravi, with 
a little help from Sal and Lurk and Judy. Yes, it's been
a little slow around FFL the last few days. ;-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[Bhairitu]

authfriend wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
>  wrote:
>   
>> What is it called?  Making an exception on "humanitarian
>> grounds".  That's what I would say.  I think he needs us.  
>> 
>
> He doesn't need *us*. He needs professional help, and
> *fast*.
>
>   

He sounds like a typical DESI to me. :-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, a question about Amma

[WillyTex]

> > I don't think you need to worry about your own 
> > sanity, should you decide to see Amma...
> >
TurquoiseB: 
> I was expressing concern for those who, for whatever 
> reason, might fall into the "still in the nut house 
> 40 years later" category...
> 
So, it was a setup - I thought so. We've got FFL 
informants posting medical opinions about other 
respondents' sanity, saying they need some professional 
help. Where is Dr. Pete or Ruth when we need them?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> Lurk, what makes you think it ever happened?
>
> I mean, this is the guy who has claimed that he's
> "dealt with" Sal and I and others here on FFL before
> on "Amma lists." He claimed it not only here, but on
> the BATGAP forum. 
>
> That never happened. He dreamed it all up, as part 
> of some grandiose "I'm so important they persecute me"
> fantasy. I'm thinkin' that the "Somebody called the
> cops" ploy is another one out of the same playbook.
>
> Most of this -- *including*, as far as I can tell, 
> the claims of "awakening" -- is all happening inside
> his head. 
>
> Interestingly, as far as I can tell from a quick skim,
> he made *no impression at all* over on BATGAP. About
> the only person who bothered to even interact with
> him was Jim. That's a hopeful sign. Imagine if they
> had greeted him as "one of their own" and *encouraged*
> these fantasies.

And that's why we call FFL the "Funny Farm Lounge". ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, a question about Amma

[WillyTex]

> > So what's the story? 
> >
Rick Archer:
> If anything, many more people are healed and
> strengthened than destabilized...
>
Amritanandamayi teaches a spiritual path that 
consists of understanding the scriptures in 
the Vedas, the Upanishads, and the Bhagavad 
Gita. 

Amma advocates meditation, karma yoga, and 
devotional service. According to Amma, the 
cultivation of blissful consciousness reveals 
the non-dual, transcendental absolute, leading 
to 'jivanmukti' - fully realized while yet 
living.

"There is one Truth that shines through all of 
creation. Rivers and mountains, plants and 
animals, the sun, the moon and the stars, you 
and I — all are expressions of this one 
Reality." - Amma

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, a question about Amma

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> There's not a history of it that I'm aware of, but I think that 
> flipping out if you're unstable and get more shakti than you can 
> handle happens in all spiritual movements. In fact, it happened 
> in the drug culture. Some people could drive and eat dinner with 
> their parents while on acid (me)...

When we promoted dances and light shows back in the 
late 60s, I was known in the group as Mr. Maintain.
Even though we were all stoned while putting on these
dances, if anything came up I was the one called to
deal with it, because for some reason (I attribute
it to a previous study of martial arts) I could. We
were once raided by the police, who had gotten a tip
that DRUGS might be being used on the premises. So I
took the cops under my wing and led them around the
dance, carefully pointing out to them the straightest
people on the campus and saying shit like, "See him?
That guy in the pin-striped Beach Boys shirt? Doesn't
he look like a stoner?" And they'd nod and say, "Yeah,
he does. We'll watch him." *I* was stoned on 500 micro-
grams of Sandoz acid at the time. 

So I understand your point.  :-)

> ...and others
> are still in the nut house 40 years later. 

That was mine.

> Another point to consider is that
> unstable people are often attracted to spiritual paths, hoping 
> to become healed. 

Absolutely.

> I don't think you need to worry about your own sanity, should you
> decide to see Amma. 

Suffice it to say that after the above incident, and
having braved a great deal of shakti exposure since,
that was not what I meant. I was expressing concern
for those who, for whatever reason, might fall into
the "still in the nut house 40 years later" category.

Thanks for your reply.

[FairfieldLife] Yoga-suutras

[cardemaister]

http://twitter.com/yoga_sutras

[FairfieldLife] III 37 by Egenes?

[cardemaister]

37. These (intuition and refined hearing, etc.) are proofs of awakening and yet 
are subordinate in samadhi.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rite Of Spring

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey  wrote:
> >
> > Proper vestments are a must. I wish to thank Turquoise B for the
> > enlightened inspiration he always provides.
> >
>
http://images6.cafepress.com/product/41189636v2_480x480_Front_Color-Blac\
k.jpg
> >
> > http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/3735/picture25fb.png
>
> Curse you, you immodestly-attired Arizona devil !
>
> I went to the cafepress site and wound up ordering seven
> Firefly/Serenity T-shirts! Including the one I've been looking
> for for years now:
>

>
> Many thanks. May the Reavers think that you are just space junk
> and pass you by.

Here's a followup, dude. Your casual mention of T-shirts
bearing phrases from my favorite television series of all time
did, in fact, lead me to order new such T-shirts.

They have arrivéd. And they have lightenéd my life no end,
for which I must thank you. Because it is now official T-shirt
weather, I wear them around town, and it has been an utter
delight watching the responses.

Firefly and Serenity are, after all, an...ahem...acquired taste.
Most people have never heard of them. Many of those who
have seen the series have not revered it enough to recognize
great lines from it. So encountering a guy walking down the
street in Sitges, Spain wearing a T-shirt that says, "We will
rule over this land, and we will call it...THIS LAND" tends
to raise a few eyebrows. Even those who speak English
don't get it.

The aforementioned "We've done the impossible and that
makes us mighty" T-shirt raised fewer eyebrows, but still
found no lurking Firefly/Serenity addicts. Nor did the one
with Chinese lettering on it, and under it the words "I'm
gonna go to the special hell..."

I got a few smiles with "YOU CAN'T TAKE THE
SKY FROM ME," but again, no recognition on the
level of actually meeting another Firefly/Serenity junkie.

That all changed this morning. I was wearing the subtlest
of all the T-shirts I bought, a brown one that simply says,
"BROWNCOAT." That did it. It stopped a pair of English
tourists in their tracks, and we became instant friends.

So thanks.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, a question about Amma

[authfriend]

-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> What I'm wondering about is the case of someone maybe a
> little more fragile or a little less roll-with-the-punches 
> energy-wise than myself, someone who experiences a similar 
> "shatki hit" and goes bonkers behind it, possibly for 
> months or years.

Something to bear in mind is that certain kinds of
psychosis can generate "mystical" experiences on their
own. Ravi's plight may or may not have anything 
directly to do with Amma's "shakti." If he's bipolar,
as some of us suspect, this would likely have happened
anyway.

I could be very wrong, but I doubt he's just "fragile."
I'd be willing to bet he's been struggling with it for
years and has refused to get treatment. Manic episodes
are usually temporary, and the person can appear quite
normal in between. But if they're not treated, the
episodes tend to get progressively worse.

[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)

[Joe]

Uh, right. Gotta get up pretty late in the afternoon to put one over on the 
Lurker!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
wrote:
>
> Well, I guess I kind of figured that if he was succeeding at work,  if he was 
> having a somewhat normal family life, then how off kilter could he be. But 
> after the most recent post, the Lurkster may have been the last to realize 
> what was going on.  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On May 19, 2010, at 10:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > What the hell happened!
> > > >
> > > > Someone showed some good sense?
> > > 
> > > Good sense?  In what way?
> > > 
> > > > > I mean maybe things are a bit over the top with what's 
> > > > > going on with you,
> > > >
> > > > Understatement of the week.
> > > >
> > > > > but calling the cops? I don't get that.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe someone was concerned that manic grandiosity
> > > > and basically declaring himself Lord of the Universe while
> > > > expecting others to respond accordingly were a tad odd.
> > > > YMMV.
> > > 
> > > So what? That's his experience, or the way you interpret it. But
> > > again, so what.What business is it of anyone elses? You've got some
> > > views that I sometimes consider over the top. Do you want the police
> > > knocking on your door for no legitimate reason. This so called
> > > "intervention" stinks, and was not motivated by any notion of good
> > > intention. It was motivated by pettiness. I will guarantee you that.
> > 
> > Lurk, what makes you think it ever happened?
> > 
> > I mean, this is the guy who has claimed that he's
> > "dealt with" Sal and I and others here on FFL before
> > on "Amma lists." He claimed it not only here, but on
> > the BATGAP forum. 
> > 
> > That never happened. He dreamed it all up, as part 
> > of some grandiose "I'm so important they persecute me"
> > fantasy. I'm thinkin' that the "Somebody called the
> > cops" ploy is another one out of the same playbook.
> > 
> > Most of this -- *including*, as far as I can tell, 
> > the claims of "awakening" -- is all happening inside
> > his head. 
> > 
> > Interestingly, as far as I can tell from a quick skim,
> > he made *no impression at all* over on BATGAP. About
> > the only person who bothered to even interact with
> > him was Jim. That's a hopeful sign. Imagine if they
> > had greeted him as "one of their own" and *encouraged*
> > these fantasies.
> > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Someone finally did call the cops on me.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, a question about Amma

[WillyTex]

> I hope you know me well enough to know that this is not a 
> "hit" of any kind...

This is another set-up of some kind.

TurquoiseB:
> As you know (and despite your and others' efforts to get me
> to go see her), I have never met Amma. I thought I had once,
> years ago, but that turns out to have been because the people
> who dragged me to see some Indian woman saint kept referring
> to her as "Amma." So I thought for a while she was "the" 
> Amma. Not so. 
> 
> So, that said, my knowledge of her and her trip comes almost
> entirely from you and others on this forum. I must say that
> what you have said about her -- and the way you conduct your
> lives -- have left a positive impression of the lady on me.
> 
> And yet...
> 
> And yet, now that I think of it in light of the Ravi Incident,
> there is one other person I've met who had been into Amma.
> She was a nice late-30-ish woman who lived near Sauve. It
> came out, as we got to know each other, that she had been
> involved with Amma, on a level that she referred to as, 
> "Yes, I was a devotee." 
> 
> I could not help but notice her emphasis on the word "was,"
> so I asked about it. She would not go into much detail, but
> her "was" status was because after one of Amma's hugs she
> became psychotic (her term), and had to leave until things
> "settled down." This was three years in the past, as we were
> speaking. She didn't feel that she had "settled down" yet at
> that point.
> 
> So here's my question: Is there a *history* of this around 
> Amma?
> 
> First my friend's experience, and now Ravi's. It's got me 
> thinkin'...
> 
> I hope you know me well enough to know that this is not a 
> "hit" of any kind. And I think I know you well enough to 
> know that you're a remarkably up-front kinda guy. That's 
> why I'm asking this question of you. 
> 
> Despite my image here as a hardened cynic, I do *not* 
> pooh-pooh the subjective experience of "shakti," or as I 
> prefer to call it, "What-ever-the-fuck-it-is." Been there, 
> done that, and some of my T-shirts still have the scorch 
> marks.
> 
> For me, such "shakti hits" were always benevolent. Yes,
> they may have blown my socks off and put me in a discom-
> bobulated state for a day or two, but it was never *more*
> than a day or two. 
> 
> What I'm wondering about is the case of someone maybe a
> little more fragile or a little less roll-with-the-punches 
> energy-wise than myself, someone who experiences a similar 
> "shatki hit" and goes bonkers behind it, possibly for 
> months or years. 
> 
> So what's the story? *Is* there a history of this around
> Amma?
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Rick, a question about Amma

[Rick Archer]

There's not a history of it that I'm aware of, but I think that flipping out
if you're unstable and get more shakti than you can handle happens in all
spiritual movements. In fact, it happened in the drug culture. Some people
could drive and eat dinner with their parents while on acid (me), and others
are still in the nut house 40 years later. Another point to consider is that
unstable people are often attracted to spiritual paths, hoping to become
healed. I don't think you need to worry about your own sanity, should you
decide to see Amma. Nor do I think that there's an abnormally high incidence
of mental breakdowns among people who see Amma compared with those who get
involved in comparable things. If anything, many more people are healed and
strengthened than destabilized. For me, Amma is not the path. I enjoy seeing
her. I'm uplifted and energized. I like the music, etc. It's a powerful
engine on my train, but not the only engine. Thanks for asking.
 
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:10 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rick, a question about Amma
 
  
As you know (and despite your and others' efforts to get me
to go see her), I have never met Amma. I thought I had once,
years ago, but that turns out to have been because the people
who dragged me to see some Indian woman saint kept referring
to her as "Amma." So I thought for a while she was "the" 
Amma. Not so. 

So, that said, my knowledge of her and her trip comes almost
entirely from you and others on this forum. I must say that
what you have said about her -- and the way you conduct your
lives -- have left a positive impression of the lady on me.

And yet...

And yet, now that I think of it in light of the Ravi Incident,
there is one other person I've met who had been into Amma.
She was a nice late-30-ish woman who lived near Sauve. It
came out, as we got to know each other, that she had been
involved with Amma, on a level that she referred to as, 
"Yes, I was a devotee." 

I could not help but notice her emphasis on the word "was,"
so I asked about it. She would not go into much detail, but
her "was" status was because after one of Amma's hugs she
became psychotic (her term), and had to leave until things
"settled down." This was three years in the past, as we were
speaking. She didn't feel that she had "settled down" yet at
that point.

So here's my question: Is there a *history* of this around 
Amma?

First my friend's experience, and now Ravi's. It's got me 
thinkin'...

I hope you know me well enough to know that this is not a 
"hit" of any kind. And I think I know you well enough to 
know that you're a remarkably up-front kinda guy. That's 
why I'm asking this question of you. 

Despite my image here as a hardened cynic, I do *not* 
pooh-pooh the subjective experience of "shakti," or as I 
prefer to call it, "What-ever-the-fuck-it-is." Been there, 
done that, and some of my T-shirts still have the scorch 
marks.

For me, such "shakti hits" were always benevolent. Yes,
they may have blown my socks off and put me in a discom-
bobulated state for a day or two, but it was never *more*
than a day or two. 

What I'm wondering about is the case of someone maybe a
little more fragile or a little less roll-with-the-punches 
energy-wise than myself, someone who experiences a similar 
"shatki hit" and goes bonkers behind it, possibly for 
months or years. 

So what's the story? *Is* there a history of this around
Amma?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Boycott BP, buy more so they can pay the bill

[WillyTex]

Bhairitu:
> No, they are a BAD company so they deserve to 
> go under.
>
So, that's your solution to the Gulf oil leak:
call BP a 'BAD' company that needs to 'go under'?

Why should a publicly owned company like BP be 
prevented from drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, 
while PEMEX, a Mexican state owned company, is 
allowed to drill thousands of unregulated wells 
in the same Gulf? 

Are you thinking that local Mexican drilling is 
safer than international U.K. drilling?

You are not making any sense - maybe you have
not thought this through! 

> Let their stockholders pay the bill.
>
So, you obviously don't own any stocks in BP,
and from what I've read, you own no stocks in
any company - so you're hardly a person to be 
making any stockholders take millions in 
losses.

> We need to break up large corporations as 
> they are just TOO BIG to exist.
> 
When are you going to unsubscribe to Comcast -
they don't get much bigger than that. 

You probably drive fifty miles a day just to 
get some organic raisens at the Oakland Whole 
Foods Market. Go figure. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Boycott BP, make YOURSELF pay at the pump $10 Tax on gas

[WillyTex]

tart:
> $10 tax on gas. Why are you not supporting it, 
> demanding it?
> 
It's too late for a tax on oil and gasoline,
we can't afford it now. Most people can barely
afford enough gasoline to get to work, or in some
cases, to look for work. What we need to do, is
drill and refine more local oil in order to keep
the price down and avoid giving American dollars
to foreign interests like OPEC. 

The most practical plan is to create more, good
paying jobs for everyone, so that the economy can
improve. That way, more people can get to work 
and continue to look for work. More good paying 
jobs for everyone is the practical way to go. 

With an improved economy, people will have more 
money to spend. I'm against a regressive tax on 
poor people -it won't improve the economy or 
increase jobs or the payscale.

British Petroleum has probably spent more money 
on alternative energy research and development 
than any company on the entire planet! 

But, I only buy Texaco products - I get most of 
my oil from Spindle Top or from the Permian Basin.

Were you thinking that BP collects oil from the
Gulf of Mexico and sends it back to the U.K. for
refining, and then ships it back to the U.S.A. 
to be sold in gas BP gas stations in Iowa? 

Most people have no idea what oil they're putting 
in their auto. Almost all the gasoline available 
in the U.S. is refined in Houston or Galveston - 
it's sold to the highest bidder and then it's 
distributed across the U.S.A. 

You could be burning oil from Saudi Arabia and 
fuel refined in Texas - only your refiner knows
fer sure.

"There are many conservatives who would embrace 
a carbon tax or gasoline tax if it was offset by 
a cut in payroll taxes or corporate taxes, so we 
could foster new jobs and clean air at the same 
time..."

Read more:

'Obama and the Oil Spill'
By Thomas L. Friedman
New York Times, Opinion, May 18, 2010
http://tinyurl.com/22ukbfo

[FairfieldLife] This is your mind on shakti

[TurquoiseB]

OK, since it seems that Ravi is now post-posted-out, I think
it's not unkind to do a kind of post-mortem on the whole thing.
I think there is much to be learned from his example.

As a given -- or Rick would not have heard of him in the first
place (unless Ravi approached Rick to be interviewed, and not 
vice-versa) -- this fellow managed to convince a few people
that he was enlightened, or at the very least had recently 
had a very profound awakening of some kind. 

*Assuming* that his subjective experience of what he calls an
awakening is true, what are the *ramifications* of *having* 
such an awakening, based on his example?

Gopi Krishna and others have warned of the dangers of "premature
kundalini." Physically and psychically, this affliction is IMO
a great more serious than premature ejaculation in that yes, 
one does tend to shoot one's wad -- and before its time -- but 
*also* yes, one tends to do it in psychotic or sociopathic ways. 

If we take Ravi's story at face value, he recently got a big
jolt of *something*. What it was is anyone's guess. The 
*effects* of this whatever-it-is on him, however, should 
be evident. 

So is there a *danger* in exposing someone who might *already*
be a borderline sociopath or psychopath to "shakti," or to the
effects of techniques that "raise kundalini?"

Is there a value in being associated with traditions that have
a knowledge of ways in which spiritual techniques can "go wrong,"
and who have over the centuries devised methods for 1) identi-
fying such aberrations when they arise, and 2) identified ways
to make these aberrations go away? 

I'm thinkin' that there is. And I'm thinkin' that no group of
the "recently awakened" is going to be able to provide that
kind of useful -- and necessary -- feedback to help someone
who inadvertently steps in a big pile of Kundalini Ka-Ka. 

In fact, such groups might actually encourage and prolong 
such psycopathic\sociopathic episodes by *encouraging* them
as "Something good is happening." If you thoroughly believe
in a dogma that says, for example, "Meditation is 100% life
supporting...nothing bad can possibly happen as a result of
practicing it," are you going to be able to see and deal with
someone who has gone WAY "out of bounds" re reality, and
who furthermore laims that it's the result of an "awakening" 
or "enlightenment" experience?

Food for thought. 

[FairfieldLife] Mother Kali - What the hell happened!

[WillyTex]

steve:
> What the hell happened!
> > 
> > Please don't call the police on me...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)

[Sal Sunshine]

On May 20, 2010, at 7:24 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:

>  guess she got what she wanted.  Just couln't tolerate a view that departed 
> too far from what she considered acceptable.  Now life can go back to normal  
> Breathe a sigh of relief.  The renegade has been "arrested"

lurk, I don't know what's going on with you 
or why all of a sudden you seem to be in
attack mode (or does the "she" above 
refer to someone else?)   Do you really
think *I* called the cops on this guy?
That seems to be what you're implying,
or am I misunderstanding?  He's in California,
I'm in Iowa--case closed.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe his
wife did?  Or maybe, like Turq said, the whole
thing is just another grand fantasy?

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> wrote:
> >
> > Funny Sal..let me hit my limit...I know I have your wishes, I will see you
> > guys in Chicago..
> > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
wrote:
>
> What is it called?  Making an exception on "humanitarian
> grounds".  That's what I would say.  I think he needs us.  

He doesn't need *us*. He needs professional help, and
*fast*.



> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior
> > 
> > Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife 
> > moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This 
> > morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count, 
> > which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed 
> > to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are 
> > suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: ravi

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69"  wrote:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
> 
> please read it through right to the end and tell us

I agree. He's in real trouble.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[lurkernomore20002000]

What is it called?  Making an exception on "humanitarian grounds".  That's what 
I would say.  I think he needs us.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior
> 
> Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife 
> moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This 
> morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count, 
> which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed 
> to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are 
> suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)

[lurkernomore20002000]

Well, I guess I kind of figured that if he was succeeding at work,  if he was 
having a somewhat normal family life, then how off kilter could he be. But 
after the most recent post, the Lurkster may have been the last to realize what 
was going on.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > On May 19, 2010, at 10:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
> > >
> > > > What the hell happened!
> > >
> > > Someone showed some good sense?
> > 
> > Good sense?  In what way?
> > 
> > > > I mean maybe things are a bit over the top with what's 
> > > > going on with you,
> > >
> > > Understatement of the week.
> > >
> > > > but calling the cops? I don't get that.
> > >
> > > Maybe someone was concerned that manic grandiosity
> > > and basically declaring himself Lord of the Universe while
> > > expecting others to respond accordingly were a tad odd.
> > > YMMV.
> > 
> > So what? That's his experience, or the way you interpret it. But
> > again, so what.What business is it of anyone elses? You've got some
> > views that I sometimes consider over the top. Do you want the police
> > knocking on your door for no legitimate reason. This so called
> > "intervention" stinks, and was not motivated by any notion of good
> > intention. It was motivated by pettiness. I will guarantee you that.
> 
> Lurk, what makes you think it ever happened?
> 
> I mean, this is the guy who has claimed that he's
> "dealt with" Sal and I and others here on FFL before
> on "Amma lists." He claimed it not only here, but on
> the BATGAP forum. 
> 
> That never happened. He dreamed it all up, as part 
> of some grandiose "I'm so important they persecute me"
> fantasy. I'm thinkin' that the "Somebody called the
> cops" ploy is another one out of the same playbook.
> 
> Most of this -- *including*, as far as I can tell, 
> the claims of "awakening" -- is all happening inside
> his head. 
> 
> Interestingly, as far as I can tell from a quick skim,
> he made *no impression at all* over on BATGAP. About
> the only person who bothered to even interact with
> him was Jim. That's a hopeful sign. Imagine if they
> had greeted him as "one of their own" and *encouraged*
> these fantasies.
> 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Someone finally did call the cops on me.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > wrote:
> >
> > On May 19, 2010, at 10:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
> >
> > > What the hell happened!
> >
> > Someone showed some good sense?
> 
> Good sense?  In what way?
> 
> > > I mean maybe things are a bit over the top with what's 
> > > going on with you,
> >
> > Understatement of the week.
> >
> > > but calling the cops? I don't get that.
> >
> > Maybe someone was concerned that manic grandiosity
> > and basically declaring himself Lord of the Universe while
> > expecting others to respond accordingly were a tad odd.
> > YMMV.
> 
> So what? That's his experience, or the way you interpret it. But
> again, so what.What business is it of anyone elses? You've got some
> views that I sometimes consider over the top. Do you want the police
> knocking on your door for no legitimate reason. This so called
> "intervention" stinks, and was not motivated by any notion of good
> intention. It was motivated by pettiness. I will guarantee you that.

Lurk, what makes you think it ever happened?

I mean, this is the guy who has claimed that he's
"dealt with" Sal and I and others here on FFL before
on "Amma lists." He claimed it not only here, but on
the BATGAP forum. 

That never happened. He dreamed it all up, as part 
of some grandiose "I'm so important they persecute me"
fantasy. I'm thinkin' that the "Somebody called the
cops" ploy is another one out of the same playbook.

Most of this -- *including*, as far as I can tell, 
the claims of "awakening" -- is all happening inside
his head. 

Interestingly, as far as I can tell from a quick skim,
he made *no impression at all* over on BATGAP. About
the only person who bothered to even interact with
him was Jim. That's a hopeful sign. Imagine if they
had greeted him as "one of their own" and *encouraged*
these fantasies.

> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Someone finally did call the cops on me.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)

[lurkernomore20002000]

I guess she got what she wanted.  Just couln't tolerate a view that
departed too far from what she considered acceptable.  Now life can go
back to normal  Breathe a sigh of relief.  The renegade has been
"arrested"


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
 wrote:
>
> Funny Sal..let me hit my limit...I know I have your wishes, I will see
you
> guys in Chicago..
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On May 19, 2010, at 10:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
> >
> > > What the hell happened!
> >
> > Someone showed some good sense?
> >
> >
> > > I mean maybe things are a bit over the top with what's going on
with you,
> >
> > Understatement of the week.
> >
> >
> > > but calling the cops? I don't get that.
> >
> > Maybe someone was concerned that manic grandiosity
> > and basically declaring himself Lord of the Universe while
> > expecting others to respond accordingly were a tad odd.
> > YMMV.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,
> > Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Someone finally did call the cops on me.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: ravi

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69"  wrote:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
> 
> please read it through right to the end and tell us

Kinda makes ya wonder how many people considered
"enlightened" or "awakened" in history were exactly
the same. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
 wrote:
>
> Its my beloved wife...checkout FB..facebook.com/chivukula.ravi.
>
> I need all of your prayers..LOL..
>
> The cops got surprised that an ordinary helpless simple man could be a
> problem. They laughed at me.

What are they going to do?  Look around?  What a joke?  But I would
think something like this can upset the kids, upset the spouse.  And
why?  The person who instigated that call is a petty coward.


> Love - Ravi.
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 8:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 <
> steve.sun...@... wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What the hell happened! I mean maybe things are a bit over the top
with
> > what's going on with you, but calling the cops? I don't get that.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,
> > Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone finally did call the cops on me.
> > >
> > > But my mother protects me..
> > >
> > > I strongly dislike any negativities, in Indian or Western culture.
No
> > harm
> > > is meant to anyone, so please stop.
> > >
> > > Mother Kali was making me look at my negativities, looking at
> > negativities
> > > of Indian culture, western culture, please treat this as spiritual
> > ramblings
> > > not a personal attack on everyone. Please don't call the police on
> > me...:-)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
wrote:
>
> On May 19, 2010, at 10:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
>
> > What the hell happened!
>
> Someone showed some good sense?

Good sense?  In what way?
>
> > I mean maybe things are a bit over the top with what's going on with
you,
>
> Understatement of the week.
>
> > but calling the cops? I don't get that.
>
> Maybe someone was concerned that manic grandiosity
> and basically declaring himself Lord of the Universe while
> expecting others to respond accordingly were a tad odd.
> YMMV.

So what?  That's his experience, or the way you interpret it.  But
again, so what. What business is it of anyone elses?  You've got some
views that I sometimes consider over the top. Do you want the police
knocking on your door for no legitimate reason.  This so called
"intervention" stinks, and was not motivated by any notion of good
intention. It was motivated by pettiness.  I will guarantee you that.
>
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
> >>
> >> Someone finally did call the cops on me.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] ravi

[shukra69]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania

please read it through right to the end and tell us

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior

Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife 
moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This 
morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count, which 
had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed to post 
due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are suspended until 
the evening of Friday, May 28.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Boycott BP, buy more so they can pay the bill

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > BP won't go under financially. However, now that media
> > reporting and public outrage has become a huge PR nightmare
> > for them, BP's cozy relationship with Ken Salazar has been
> > exposed. Consequently, the Obama administration has just
> > announced they will eliminate Minerals Management Services
> > and replace it with two bureaus and a revenue collection
> > office. I hope this means they're serious about enforcing 
> > regulations and not just doing CYA. It's a start anyway.
> 
> I don't know how cozy a relationship Ken Salazar personally
> had with BP specifically, as opposed to the MMS having had
> a cozy relationship with the oil industry generally for
> many years. Salazar seems to have been in the process of
> trying to clean it up, but obviously with not enough
> urgency.
> 

You're correct. Salazar testified before Congress oil companies have opposed 
efforts to change "the culture of doing business" and that he won't back down 
on his reform agenda. Unfortunately it's too little too late. Ultimately, Bush 
and his oil cronies are responsible for creating a laissez-faire culture of 
doing business throughout government.   

> In any case, a more strictly regulated oil industry is a
> mixed blessing. It should make accidents and environmental
> damage less likely, but by the same token it co-opts the
> opposition to offshore drilling.
> 

I had the same thought. Even if it's safer, we're still relying upon oil to 
fuel our economy. Which reminds me of what the great Pogo once said, "We have 
met the enemy and he is us." http://www.igopogo.com/we_have_met.htm

> And boycotting BP, I still say, is the wrong focus, because
> it implies that *BP* is the problem--that other oil 
> companies, or even a chastened and reformed BP, could go
> ahead and drill in the Gulf.
>  

Boycotting is BP makes BP the poster child for everything wrong with government 
regulation, our dependence on oil, and the need for finding alternatives to 
oil. People boycotting BP are discussing these issues. They're raising public 
awareness of the extent of the problems we face as consumers of oil. If the 
boycott becomes massive enough, it will keep the vast devastation BP brought to 
our planet in the news and in your face. That's what boycotts do best. It 
motivates people to petition their government, start thinking what they can do 
personally to change their oil consuming habits and feel a sense of solidarity 
that we're in this mess together. The BP boycott is not just about BP. What 
better focus would you suggest?

> > 
> > Read more:
> > http://snipurl.com/wjqm1
> > http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jYP7GoO9ldJALdGGRcHuadmF3y1gD9FQ8CA80
> > 
> > "Gulf of Mexico oil spill: BP faces growing calls for boycott of its US 
> > products BP's problems mounted on Wednesday as the number of followers of a 
> > Facebook group called "Boycott BP" grew to almost 34,000." [2,500 two days 
> > ago.]
> > 
> > Read more:
> > http://snipurl.com/wjqac
> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7742471/Gulf-of-Mexico-oil-spill-BP-faces-growing-calls-for-boycott-of-its-US-products.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[TurquoiseB]

You sure do know how to pick 'em, Rick.

Any other "ordinary enlightened folks" you want to share with us?
I'm thinkin' that this one spent too much time around the gas
pumps, and the fumes have gotten to him.  :-)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
 wrote:
>
> Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior, he is right
> now in Kaali Bhava.Please read carefully.
>
> Bitches that don't have any experiences - positive or negative, please
> do comment negatively, I want to feed on you..:-)