[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India

[curtisdeltablues]

You are just one of those people Peter.  If I had met you in a robe you could 
easily been my Maharishi.

Some people just project an abundance of what-the-fuck!

I can't explain it.  But the difference between you a Maharishi is context.  
Just context.  And wardrobe.  

We should definitely hang again sometime so I can give an more up to date 
cosmic reading on you.  But from what I remember, you are the real deal.  You 
got it.  It's all there.  Why the fuck chase the dysentery to find it.  Oh 
yeah, I forgot , Peter forgets to wear robes!  Damn Peter, what a cult you 
could have in a dhoti! 




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
>
> I actually hate being that cynical. Actually I'm not that cynical. I walk 
> around in transcendent bliss all the time. So, I don't even know where that 
> comes from! I've gained so much from TM that all the other crap doesn't even 
> matter. Like being given the best sports car in the world, a Ferrari Enzo and 
> complaining that there's some lint in the glove box. This is outrageous. 
> lint!!!
> 
> --- On Wed, 4/20/11, wayback71  wrote:
> 
> > From: wayback71 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 4:08 PM
> > Before I ever donate to anything TM
> > related I want to know this: - How much to the Shrivastava's
> > of India, who grew from very middle class to rich in the
> > last 30 years since MMY's organization took in money - how
> > much do they contribute to TM sponsored projects?  Why
> > doesn't someone from a genuine accounting firm look at the
> > books (if they exist) and tell us. That would be inspiring
> > news, wouldn't it?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Joe"  wrote:
> > >
> > > So very, very close to Heaven On Earthdig deep!
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > Peter  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Completion isjust around
> > the corner if we can only raise 20 million more !
> > > > 
> > > > --- On Wed, 4/20/11, merlin 
> > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > From: merlin 
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Raja Harris speaks on
> > the Brahmasthan of India
> > > > To: 
> > > > Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:28 AM
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> > > > Tonight at 20.30  Holland time  
> > > > in the Global Maharishi Family  Chat,
> > > > our dear Raja Harris will speak 
> > > > on the Brahmasthan of India,
> > > > with lots of pictures ...
> > > >  
> > > > See also  this new webpage >>>
> > > > http://maharishiindiacourses.com/
> > > >  
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> > > >    J a i   G u r u   D e v
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> > 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India

[Joe]

The Shrivastava/Varma clan is counting on things continuing on  just like 
that...with no one poking their noses where they don't belong. Can you imagine 
what would happen to a dome badge holder who seriously undertook an 
investigation of the international TMO finances in India?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SPakQ7hH6I





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> Yep.  It could be a huge scandal, but no one has the time or motivation or 
> expertise to pry into all this and do an expose.  What a story.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > That's why I thought that Bobby Roth's smiley faced answer ("the IRS 
> > records are there for all to see!") at MUM a few weeks ago was disingenuous.
> > 
> > Of course the US domestic records are "in order"!  Try getting transparent 
> > financials from the international TMO including specifically the Indian 
> > home base.
> > 
> > The money isn't here, we all know that. It's in India.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Before I ever donate to anything TM related I want to know this: - How 
> > > much to the Shrivastava's of India, who grew from very middle class to 
> > > rich in the last 30 years since MMY's organization took in money - how 
> > > much do they contribute to TM sponsored projects?  Why doesn't someone 
> > > from a genuine accounting firm look at the books (if they exist) and tell 
> > > us. That would be inspiring news, wouldn't it?
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So very, very close to Heaven On Earthdig deep!
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Completion isjust around the corner if we can 
> > > > > only raise 20 million more !
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- On Wed, 4/20/11, merlin  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: merlin 
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of 
> > > > > India
> > > > > To: 
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:28 AM
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> > > > > Tonight at 20.30  Holland time  
> > > > > in the Global Maharishi Family  Chat,
> > > > > our dear Raja Harris will speak 
> > > > > on the Brahmasthan of India,
> > > > > with lots of pictures ...
> > > > >  
> > > > > See also  this new webpage >>>
> > > > > http://maharishiindiacourses.com/
> > > > >  
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> > > > >    J a i   G u r u   D e v
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square

[Ravi Yogi]

Thank you - will get back to you.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
>
> St. Louis, Mo.  (the family gave me an interior and exterior car
> cleaning, and a delicious butter cream birthday cake.   both were
> awesome)
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> >
> > And the place of birth?
> > Belated birthday greetings BTW.
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > 4-19-56 5:12 pm cst I would say within 20 min 0f 5:12 could be
> > > 5:32, or I could try to get the exact time.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sure, what the heck.
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"
steve.sundur@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If I gave you my date and time of birth, would you give me a
> > jyotish
> > > > > reading gratis here on FFL?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" jr_esq@ wrote:
> > > > > > I tried to learn this KP system, but gave up on it. Instead,
I
> > > > prefer
> > > > > to use the classical Parashara system because one can
> incorporate
> > > many
> > > > > of the hidden jyotish techniques that are embedded in the
vedic
> > > > > literature, such as the Srimad Bhagavatam, into the system.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square

[Ravi Yogi]

Damn missed it, it was right there - I already started making a mental
picture of the chart and now I have to start over - no worries.
Good to know you had a good time on your birthday.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
>
> negative.   it was  pm
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> >
> > Would that it be 5:12 am?
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > And the place of birth?
> > > Belated birthday greetings BTW.
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 4-19-56 5:12 pm cst I would say within 20 min 0f 5:12 could be
> > > > 5:32, or I could try to get the exact time.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sure, what the heck.
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"
> steve.sundur@
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I gave you my date and time of birth, would you give me a
> > > jyotish
> > > > > > reading gratis here on FFL?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" jr_esq@ wrote:
> > > > > > > I tried to learn this KP system, but gave up on it.
Instead,
> I
> > > > > prefer
> > > > > > to use the classical Parashara system because one can
> > incorporate
> > > > many
> > > > > > of the hidden jyotish techniques that are embedded in the
> vedic
> > > > > > literature, such as the Srimad Bhagavatam, into the system.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square

[seventhray1]

negative.   it was  pm


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> Would that it be 5:12 am?
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> >
> > And the place of birth?
> > Belated birthday greetings BTW.
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > 4-19-56 5:12 pm cst I would say within 20 min 0f 5:12 could be
> > > 5:32, or I could try to get the exact time.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sure, what the heck.
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"
steve.sundur@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If I gave you my date and time of birth, would you give me a
> > jyotish
> > > > > reading gratis here on FFL?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" jr_esq@ wrote:
> > > > > > I tried to learn this KP system, but gave up on it. Instead,
I
> > > > prefer
> > > > > to use the classical Parashara system because one can
> incorporate
> > > many
> > > > > of the hidden jyotish techniques that are embedded in the
vedic
> > > > > literature, such as the Srimad Bhagavatam, into the system.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square

[seventhray1]

St. Louis, Mo.  (the family gave me an interior and exterior car
cleaning, and a delicious butter cream birthday cake.   both were
awesome)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> And the place of birth?
> Belated birthday greetings BTW.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > 4-19-56 5:12 pm cst I would say within 20 min 0f 5:12 could be
> > 5:32, or I could try to get the exact time.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Sure, what the heck.
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If I gave you my date and time of birth, would you give me a
> jyotish
> > > > reading gratis here on FFL?
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" jr_esq@ wrote:
> > > > > I tried to learn this KP system, but gave up on it. Instead, I
> > > prefer
> > > > to use the classical Parashara system because one can
incorporate
> > many
> > > > of the hidden jyotish techniques that are embedded in the vedic
> > > > literature, such as the Srimad Bhagavatam, into the system.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square

[Ravi Yogi]

Would that it be 5:12 am?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> And the place of birth?
> Belated birthday greetings BTW.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > 4-19-56   5:12 pm cst   I would say within 20 min 0f 5:12   could be
> > 5:32,  or I could try to get the exact time.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Sure, what the heck.
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If I gave you my date and time of birth, would you give me a
> jyotish
> > > > reading gratis here on FFL?
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" jr_esq@ wrote:
> > > > > I tried to learn this KP system, but gave up on it. Instead, I
> > > prefer
> > > > to use the classical Parashara system because one can
incorporate
> > many
> > > > of the hidden jyotish techniques that are embedded in the vedic
> > > > literature, such as the Srimad Bhagavatam, into the system.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square

[Ravi Yogi]

And the place of birth?
Belated birthday greetings BTW.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
>
> 4-19-56   5:12 pm cst   I would say within 20 min 0f 5:12   could be
> 5:32,  or I could try to get the exact time.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> >
> > Sure, what the heck.
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > If I gave you my date and time of birth, would you give me a
jyotish
> > > reading gratis here on FFL?
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" jr_esq@ wrote:
> > > > I tried to learn this KP system, but gave up on it. Instead, I
> > prefer
> > > to use the classical Parashara system because one can incorporate
> many
> > > of the hidden jyotish techniques that are embedded in the vedic
> > > literature, such as the Srimad Bhagavatam, into the system.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square

[seventhray1]

4-19-56   5:12 pm cst   I would say within 20 min 0f 5:12   could be
5:32,  or I could try to get the exact time.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> Sure, what the heck.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > If I gave you my date and time of birth, would you give me a jyotish
> > reading gratis here on FFL?
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" jr_esq@ wrote:
> > > I tried to learn this KP system, but gave up on it. Instead, I
> prefer
> > to use the classical Parashara system because one can incorporate
many
> > of the hidden jyotish techniques that are embedded in the vedic
> > literature, such as the Srimad Bhagavatam, into the system.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square

[Ravi Yogi]

Sure, what the heck.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
>
> If I gave you my date and time of  birth, would you give me a jyotish
> reading gratis here on FFL?
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" jr_esq@ wrote:
> > I tried to learn this KP system, but gave up on it. Instead, I
prefer
> to use the classical Parashara system because one can incorporate many
> of the hidden jyotish techniques that are embedded in the vedic
> literature, such as the Srimad Bhagavatam, into the system.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India

[Peter]

I actually hate being that cynical. Actually I'm not that cynical. I walk 
around in transcendent bliss all the time. So, I don't even know where that 
comes from! I've gained so much from TM that all the other crap doesn't even 
matter. Like being given the best sports car in the world, a Ferrari Enzo and 
complaining that there's some lint in the glove box. This is outrageous. lint!!!

--- On Wed, 4/20/11, wayback71  wrote:

> From: wayback71 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 4:08 PM
> Before I ever donate to anything TM
> related I want to know this: - How much to the Shrivastava's
> of India, who grew from very middle class to rich in the
> last 30 years since MMY's organization took in money - how
> much do they contribute to TM sponsored projects?  Why
> doesn't someone from a genuine accounting firm look at the
> books (if they exist) and tell us. That would be inspiring
> news, wouldn't it?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > So very, very close to Heaven On Earthdig deep!
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> Peter  wrote:
> > >
> > > Completion isjust around
> the corner if we can only raise 20 million more !
> > > 
> > > --- On Wed, 4/20/11, merlin 
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > From: merlin 
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Raja Harris speaks on
> the Brahmasthan of India
> > > To: 
> > > Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:28 AM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >         
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Tonight at 20.30  Holland time  
> > > in the Global Maharishi Family  Chat,
> > > our dear Raja Harris will speak 
> > > on the Brahmasthan of India,
> > > with lots of pictures ...
> > >  
> > > See also  this new webpage >>>
> > > http://maharishiindiacourses.com/
> > >  
> > >  
> > >    J a i   G u r u   D e v
> > >  
> > >  
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
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> 
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
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> 
> 
>     fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Just in C.C.'??

[Peter]

You want to get out of that really fast.

--- On Wed, 4/20/11, Robert  wrote:

> From: Robert 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Just in C.C.'??
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 8:24 PM
> Anyone know anyone, who is just in
> CC.??
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>     fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Buck]

I went and heard him Tuesday nite here in Fairfield.  Tonite there was 
something else 'satsang' going on that was better so I went with it.  That's 
FFL.   AdyaS is really very good at what he does and I thought he handled 
Fairfield very well and fairly.  Through the evening he very carefully 
advocated that there is more than transcending to the process of growth and 
that you kind of have to 'do' and even work at it.  It's way more than just 
transcending and doing nothing.  He led folks through that if they were 
listening.   People do also hear what they want.  Some of the real TM-TB's 
think he lacked or was short in the 'transcendent' as a typical Buddhist the 
way they heard it.  Though he was very particular in 'how to', start with 
transcending, sit with it and then look in to it.  For being in front of a very 
large diverse  group it was introductory but very encompassing and also 
advanced.  In language-ing spirituality he is very good.  I am glad he is out 
in the world doing this work.  I respect him a lot.

-Buck in FF


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> I saw Adyahanti a few night ago in Manhattan and your description is right 
> on.  I enjoyed it very much - a totally different experience in many ways. No 
> people with flowers to give him, a mixed age crowd with a lot less gussied up 
> stuff (maybe that is the zen influence too).  Less devotion to anyone and 
> more accepting responsibility for yourself. He is really direct and clear and 
> honest.  He makes as  clear as he can with words what it feels like for him 
> to be Awakened.  Saw a few other TM teachers, too.   Crowd of about 800 and 
> it was sponsored by Omega Institue.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps coming out of more of a zen/buddhist tradition makes him a little 
> > more direct and intellectual. I've always enjoyed his simple clarity.
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 4/20/11, feste37  wrote:
> > 
> > > From: feste37 
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Adyashanti in Fairfield
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 10:52 AM
> > > Adyashanti was excellent in the
> > > Sondheim last night. He had a good crowd, about 300, I would
> > > guess. He is very smart, very articulate, well worth
> > > hearing, for those who like that kind of thing (the "waking
> > > up" thing, that is). I much prefer him to the imperious
> > > drama queen, Gangaji. He handled questions superbly,
> > > understanding exactly where people were coming from and
> > > taking them where they wanted to go but didn't know how.
> > > Very down-to-earth manner, not a trace of arrogance,
> > > speaking democratically as one human being to others. I
> > > enjoyed him a lot. He is speaking tonight, also, at
> > > 7:30.  
> > > 
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[FairfieldLife] the transpersonal aye

[Buck]

like sking on infinitely smooth water

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think I've finally figured it out...

[WillyTex]

turquoiseb:
> ...why some people are so attached to this "all
> experience is pain" thang. They've never had 
> Unity experiences.
> 
> What they consider the "highest" experiences 
> they've ever had involve either transcendence or
> Maharishi's CC. In other words, experiences that
> are totally based on duality -- on the one hand
> infinite, eternal transcendence, and on the other 
> ever-changing relative experience.
> 
> Nothing wrong with this, as far as it goes, but
> IMO once you've had a taste of what MMY described
> as Unity you can't really "go back" from that,
> even if the experience fades. During such an
> experience, *there is no difference* between 
> eternal and ephemeral, absolute and relative.
> It's all absolute. 
> 
So, you believe in an "absolute" because MMY told 
you so? So, now you are a TB. Go figure.

> Believing that there is a *difference* between
> absolute and relative is the whole issue, IMO.
> Many of Patanjali's statements indicate to me
> that he never got past that issue. Many of the
> people clinging so desperately to his words as
> if they were Truth That Cannot Be Challenged
> strike me as coming from the same place.
> 
> Just a theory...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[seventhray1]

What we need is a guru handicapper ala Joan Rivers.  That would be a
nice diversion.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
wrote:
>
> On Apr 20, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
>
> > Comment from a non-FFL member friend on this thread:
> > I think putting down gangji was in appropriate and unnecessary. she
may not be his cup of tea but seems to have a following of people who
get a lot out of her.
>
> Sure glad the politeness police are out so that
> we know what is appropriate and necessary, and
> what isn't. Thank goodness for that.
> I agreed with feste's comment, and I actually like
> Gangaji. And what's wrong with being a drama
> queen, anyway? Why is that automatically an
> insult? :)
> > also,,, adyahanti is a good speaker but what value is it long
term...
>
> And I'm also really glad that there is someone
> to tell myself and others what is good for us...
> no reason to try anything out for ourselves then,
> we can just let Mr. Politeness Police decide that
> for us.
>
> > my exp is that he describes the exp of realization and also what
needs to be done. in terms of coming out of denial. embracing the dark
side and investigating belief systems. he basically said what B katie
says. " the only suffering is un investigated beliefs", but he gives no
way really that is systematic for people to go in and deal with the
shadow side or all the thoughts..
>
> "And if a person doesn't say exactly what I
> think he should, I can say that. But you can't
> say what you think of other spiritual masters
> (so-called). Are we all clear on that now?
> And never refer to anyone as a "drama
> queen," even if they are."
>
>
> > I need
> > I want
> > I should
> > he shouldn't etc
> > he helped someone with "atma vichara" who am I, and encouraged
someone to ask themselves what is my deepest fears etc. this I felt was
going in the right direction and helpful.
> > its still nice to hear this kind of satsang.. good to have
understanding as well
> > this wont make sense to you unless you are really caught in the
suffering like someone of the questioners last night..
>
> Of course, a lecture on appropriateness
> is never complete without the usual
> condescending observations.
> > I really could relate and thansk God I have katie, the sedona method
and shadow work.
>
> Yes, we all should thank God we have our own personal
> experts and cult leaders, that way we don't actually
> have to use our brains and think for ourselves once in
> a while. That is a huge relief, as it then leaves us more
> time to fully focus on what's really important, like watching
> TV and feeling smugly superior to all the other
> ignorant slobs out there.
> > just doing "who am I " or lsitening to advatia talks are good
entertainment but for going deep into mental patterns to release them. I
think a lot more needs to be done. he seemed to say the say thing but
doesnt give much direction.
>
> "Whereas the people *I* follow are the deepest
> of the deep, the most directed, the most
> expert on releasing mental patterns. Nobody
> else could possibly measure up. And my
> daddy drove a bigger car than yours did too."
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square

[seventhray1]

If I gave you my date and time of  birth, would you give me a jyotish
reading gratis here on FFL?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> I tried to learn this KP system, but gave up on it. Instead, I prefer
to use the classical Parashara system because one can incorporate many
of the hidden jyotish techniques that are embedded in the vedic
literature, such as the Srimad Bhagavatam, into the system.

[FairfieldLife] 'Just in C.C.'??

[Robert]

Anyone know anyone, who is just in CC.??

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus "self-deceived"?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:

> Last but not least, I attribute some supposed statments of
> Jesus and the overall dualistic tone of the Greek Scriptures
> to Jesus NOT being in Unity and agree with MMY's assessment
> on the matter. He stated at Humboldt 70 that Jesus was in
> "God-Consciousness", and didnt' reach Unity. Generally I'm
> not one to have much faith in Authorities, but that citation
> is worth a few cents.

I'm not so sure about that. I don't actually think MMY
had much understanding of the Gospels or of Christianity
generally.

And again, even the Gospels may not accurately represent
what Jesus said about himself.

> My bottom line: no distinction whatsoever in the two sets
> a. the so-called Ignorant people - ignorant of the Self,
> and b. The Enlightened, or those in Unity; opting for an
> across the board assessment of decision making and the
> pitfalls of wrong decisions. IMO Jesus was self-deceived
> and was not in Unity; but if he were, he still could have
> been self deceived. MMY was not self-deceived?

Not really following you here. I wasn't saying Jesus
wasn't self-deceived, just suggesting a possible reason
for it if he was.

But I really, really don't trust the Gospel accounts of
what he said about himself. I think they got mangled at
best, and deliberately altered at worst. He didn't have
somebody writing down his words as he said them. His 
teachings were circulated orally for many years, and we
know what kind of distortion, inadvertent or otherwise,
can creep in in that situation. And then when the
oral accounts were collected and eventually written down,
there were political factors at work as well, and
goodness only knows what kinds of changes they brought
about.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Manufactured Needs, Projected Needs (the short form)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

> I admit, however, that sometimes I *do* throw these 
> different points of view out *to make a point*. That 
> point, of course, is to demonstrate how strongly and 
> often how compulsively and insanely some on this forum
> react *to* having a different point of view to the one 
> they've bought into being presented. The overreactions
> are a constant source of amusement. :-)

The reactions, toots, are not to the different points
of view. Others here throw out all kinds of points of
view and challenges and don't get the kind of reactions
that are directed at you.

Why would this be, do you think? What's *different*
about the way you present your points of view?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[wayback71]

when I saw Adya in Manhattan a few days ago, he said some of the same things, 
but it sounds as if he brought out more things to the fairfield group.  I would 
like toa ttend one of his silent retreats someday.  In California, where he is 
very popular, the retreats are by lottery since so many want to attend.

He was so easy to be around and to listen - a lightness and ease and humility 
combined with wisdom.  I liked it .  I have that stillness inside, but still 
don't perceive it in a way I would call being Awakened.  I thought maybe the no 
thoughts was a symptom of getting older!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Nice account of the evening by someone:
> 
>  
> 
> John and i were blown away- Adya is amazing- so simple and clear- no fancy
> stuff- and the crowd was great-  there were about 350 people-  we're going
> back tonight and taking our neighbor- there were a few questions and really
> good ones-  one gal i know asked one- she said she has had so many
> experiences of emptiness but was bummed that she is still a seeker - yeah,
> that is true, and i loved her honesty-  Adya told her to look within to find
> herself- she said she just couldn't find herself- he kept with her and when
> she kind of frustratedly said that there just wasn't something that was
> there, he said BINGO! and she got it-  so simple- he told her that that
> emptiness doesn't seem like a great thing at first but to keep being with
> that- and a kind of devotion to that develops- great- that is the deal-
> eventually, and he said he didn't want to say this now and to forget he said
> it but it is true anyway... eventually that emptiness is found to be
> everything- fullness- all that is-  
> 
> i am making it sound not fabulous, but he was- his simplicity and true
> humility and naturalness were amazing-  
> 
> this was like ointment for this gal- i was so happy for her.  he said that
> each of us can see that within  ourselves any and all the time, and we can
> also see it in our loved ones and friends and then also in everyone and
> everything.  he brought it down so that it was completely accessible to
> everyone there.
> 
> one guy started it out by asking about addictions- he goes between Peace and
> addictions- Adya was completely non-judgemental- beautiful-  talked about
> the shadow side being just as important as the Light side-  both duality-
> and when we sit in the Light, we have to embrace the Dark, or the Dark will
> come knocking on our door so that we can see that the jewel of Emptiness is
> also found even in the Shadows-  He told him to keep asking himself what he
> really wanted from the addiction- deep-  it helped the guy a lot, and it
> addressed 'embodiment', which was great for the Bonder people who were
> there.  I walked out with one of them.  she was prepared not to like him but
> loved him after.
> 
> Another was totally a head guy- obvious- Adya got him to see the Space- to
> acknowledge the realization of that. Soothing and freeing.
> 
> When he was talking, he said that it is interesting that when he sometimes
> will tell the people at his retreats, 'ok, now let's meditate'- all of a
> sudden there is a lot of shifting in seats and movement to get comfortable
> for the meditation-  he laughs and says that it is so funny because they are
> getting READY to find what is already here-  that was a cool thing!
> 
> and so true!
> 
> The Gita stuff was intersting... Krishna showed Arjuna the whole trip, but
> Ar. wasn't quite ready for all the shadow stuff.  The war was about the war
> of not wanting to let go- when we awaken, we let go of not only the bad but
> also the good- and that is the hard part- like Arjuna having to kill his
> relatives (the good parts about life that we are attached to).
> 
>  
> 
> Since so many people go to the domes, i don't know who was there who go and
> who don't- i think it was well mixed, and there were people there that we
> know and many we have never seen before and a good mix of our age and
> younger-  I'll be interested to see tonight how many are repeats and how
> many new-  I completely recommend that anyone go.  Can't imagine anyone
> being put off by him. 
> 
>  
> 
> Oh yeah, he also talked about the infinite variety of awakenings and also
> how an awakening is just the beginning- it is walking through the portal and
> not the end.  He said some have huge blown awakenings, and that is lovely
> but also can trap them, cuz they deep down keep referring to that big one-
> and there is a kind of attachment to it in their being.  And some just have
> an, 'Oh, for goodness sake, well, i'll be darned' kind of awakening-
> adorable of him'- and said that these kind can be easier, cuz there is no
> attachment to the initial breatkthrough.  Quite refreshing.  
> 
>  
> 
> He said that when he was in his twenties, he had completed his Buddhist
> training and felt so good about being a Buddhist and had his mandala beads
> on his wrist.  One

RE: [FairfieldLife] Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Rick Archer]

Nice account of the evening by someone:

 

John and i were blown away- Adya is amazing- so simple and clear- no fancy
stuff- and the crowd was great-  there were about 350 people-  we're going
back tonight and taking our neighbor- there were a few questions and really
good ones-  one gal i know asked one- she said she has had so many
experiences of emptiness but was bummed that she is still a seeker - yeah,
that is true, and i loved her honesty-  Adya told her to look within to find
herself- she said she just couldn't find herself- he kept with her and when
she kind of frustratedly said that there just wasn't something that was
there, he said BINGO! and she got it-  so simple- he told her that that
emptiness doesn't seem like a great thing at first but to keep being with
that- and a kind of devotion to that develops- great- that is the deal-
eventually, and he said he didn't want to say this now and to forget he said
it but it is true anyway... eventually that emptiness is found to be
everything- fullness- all that is-  

i am making it sound not fabulous, but he was- his simplicity and true
humility and naturalness were amazing-  

this was like ointment for this gal- i was so happy for her.  he said that
each of us can see that within  ourselves any and all the time, and we can
also see it in our loved ones and friends and then also in everyone and
everything.  he brought it down so that it was completely accessible to
everyone there.

one guy started it out by asking about addictions- he goes between Peace and
addictions- Adya was completely non-judgemental- beautiful-  talked about
the shadow side being just as important as the Light side-  both duality-
and when we sit in the Light, we have to embrace the Dark, or the Dark will
come knocking on our door so that we can see that the jewel of Emptiness is
also found even in the Shadows-  He told him to keep asking himself what he
really wanted from the addiction- deep-  it helped the guy a lot, and it
addressed 'embodiment', which was great for the Bonder people who were
there.  I walked out with one of them.  she was prepared not to like him but
loved him after.

Another was totally a head guy- obvious- Adya got him to see the Space- to
acknowledge the realization of that. Soothing and freeing.

When he was talking, he said that it is interesting that when he sometimes
will tell the people at his retreats, 'ok, now let's meditate'- all of a
sudden there is a lot of shifting in seats and movement to get comfortable
for the meditation-  he laughs and says that it is so funny because they are
getting READY to find what is already here-  that was a cool thing!

and so true!

The Gita stuff was intersting... Krishna showed Arjuna the whole trip, but
Ar. wasn't quite ready for all the shadow stuff.  The war was about the war
of not wanting to let go- when we awaken, we let go of not only the bad but
also the good- and that is the hard part- like Arjuna having to kill his
relatives (the good parts about life that we are attached to).

 

Since so many people go to the domes, i don't know who was there who go and
who don't- i think it was well mixed, and there were people there that we
know and many we have never seen before and a good mix of our age and
younger-  I'll be interested to see tonight how many are repeats and how
many new-  I completely recommend that anyone go.  Can't imagine anyone
being put off by him. 

 

Oh yeah, he also talked about the infinite variety of awakenings and also
how an awakening is just the beginning- it is walking through the portal and
not the end.  He said some have huge blown awakenings, and that is lovely
but also can trap them, cuz they deep down keep referring to that big one-
and there is a kind of attachment to it in their being.  And some just have
an, 'Oh, for goodness sake, well, i'll be darned' kind of awakening-
adorable of him'- and said that these kind can be easier, cuz there is no
attachment to the initial breatkthrough.  Quite refreshing.  

 

He said that when he was in his twenties, he had completed his Buddhist
training and felt so good about being a Buddhist and had his mandala beads
on his wrist.  One day he started having some thoughts that perhaps he was
identifying himself as something- as a Buddhist.  The next day, the beads
caught on something and they went flying all over the floor. Stillness
moved!

[FairfieldLife] Re: I think I've finally figured it out...

[authfriend]

You're getting warmer. But drop the notion of
being "attached" or "clinging" to experience as
pain. It's just an observation.

Now ask yourself, what is it an observation *of*?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> ...why some people are so attached to this "all
> experience is pain" thang. They've never had 
> Unity experiences.
> 
> What they consider the "highest" experiences 
> they've ever had involve either transcendence or
> Maharishi's CC. In other words, experiences that
> are totally based on duality -- on the one hand
> infinite, eternal transcendence, and on the other 
> ever-changing relative experience.
> 
> Nothing wrong with this, as far as it goes, but
> IMO once you've had a taste of what MMY described
> as Unity you can't really "go back" from that,
> even if the experience fades. During such an
> experience, *there is no difference* between 
> eternal and ephemeral, absolute and relative.
> It's all absolute. 
> 
> Believing that there is a *difference* between
> absolute and relative is the whole issue, IMO.
> Many of Patanjali's statements indicate to me
> that he never got past that issue. Many of the
> people clinging so desperately to his words as
> if they were Truth That Cannot Be Challenged
> strike me as coming from the same place.
> 
> Just a theory...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India

[wayback71]

Yep.  It could be a huge scandal, but no one has the time or motivation or 
expertise to pry into all this and do an expose.  What a story.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> That's why I thought that Bobby Roth's smiley faced answer ("the IRS records 
> are there for all to see!") at MUM a few weeks ago was disingenuous.
> 
> Of course the US domestic records are "in order"!  Try getting transparent 
> financials from the international TMO including specifically the Indian home 
> base.
> 
> The money isn't here, we all know that. It's in India.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
> >
> > Before I ever donate to anything TM related I want to know this: - How much 
> > to the Shrivastava's of India, who grew from very middle class to rich in 
> > the last 30 years since MMY's organization took in money - how much do they 
> > contribute to TM sponsored projects?  Why doesn't someone from a genuine 
> > accounting firm look at the books (if they exist) and tell us. That would 
> > be inspiring news, wouldn't it?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > >
> > > So very, very close to Heaven On Earthdig deep!
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Completion isjust around the corner if we can 
> > > > only raise 20 million more !
> > > > 
> > > > --- On Wed, 4/20/11, merlin  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > From: merlin 
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India
> > > > To: 
> > > > Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:28 AM
> > > > 
> > > > 
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> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Tonight at 20.30  Holland time  
> > > > in the Global Maharishi Family  Chat,
> > > > our dear Raja Harris will speak 
> > > > on the Brahmasthan of India,
> > > > with lots of pictures ...
> > > >  
> > > > See also  this new webpage >>>
> > > > http://maharishiindiacourses.com/
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Manufactured Needs, Projected Needs (the short form)

[Ravi Yogi]

Fair enough. However I'm not sure if I completely agree that there are
cultists on this list and that they are trying to sell anything, I'm
sure it does come across as selling when someone is forcefully trying to
make a point but I'm sure it's similar to you in that there are trying
to state their POV.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> >
> > This exactly how my ex put it. She claimed she was very
> > spiritual and said I was tamasic (dull, lazy), worldly,
> > materialistic, born with a bad nakshatra(Chitra).
>
> And she may have been right. :-)
>
> The point is, her saying it, and trying to get you
> to believe and act the way she wanted you to, was
> inappropriate. It's called ego, or hubris, or cult
> thinking.
>
> Cultists call it "dharma," or prosyletizing, or
> evangelism. I think my terms are more accurate. :-)
>
> Although cultists on this forum accuse me of trying
> to "convert" others to my point of view, I really
> don't. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT what they believe,
> or how they choose to live. What I mostly do is
> present *different points of view* to theirs.
>
> I'm not selling those points of view. I *am* occas-
> ionally throwing them out because I know that the
> cultist mentality will react strongly to them by
> *thinking* that I'm doing the same thing they do,
> and "selling" them, but I'm really not. Half the
> time I don't even believe terribly much in the dif-
> ferent points of view I throw out; they're just
> momentary ideas to which I am not terribly attached
> or invested in.
>
> I admit, however, that sometimes I *do* throw these
> different points of view out *to make a point*. That
> point, of course, is to demonstrate how strongly and
> often how compulsively and insanely some on this forum
> react *to* having a different point of view to the one
> they've bought into being presented. The overreactions
> are a constant source of amusement. :-)
>
> Bottom line for me is that you (the generic "you,"
> meaning "everyone") are free to believe whatever you
> want and do whatever you want with your life. Where
> I draw the line is at you (the generic "you) trying
> to sell me on doing the same. That's tacky.
>

[FairfieldLife] I think I've finally figured it out...

[turquoiseb]

...why some people are so attached to this "all
experience is pain" thang. They've never had 
Unity experiences.

What they consider the "highest" experiences 
they've ever had involve either transcendence or
Maharishi's CC. In other words, experiences that
are totally based on duality -- on the one hand
infinite, eternal transcendence, and on the other 
ever-changing relative experience.

Nothing wrong with this, as far as it goes, but
IMO once you've had a taste of what MMY described
as Unity you can't really "go back" from that,
even if the experience fades. During such an
experience, *there is no difference* between 
eternal and ephemeral, absolute and relative.
It's all absolute. 

Believing that there is a *difference* between
absolute and relative is the whole issue, IMO.
Many of Patanjali's statements indicate to me
that he never got past that issue. Many of the
people clinging so desperately to his words as
if they were Truth That Cannot Be Challenged
strike me as coming from the same place.

Just a theory...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus "self-deceived"?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
> >
> > http://y-jesus.com/jesuscomplex_10.php
> > 
> > Interesting question, and provocative in that we can pose the same question 
> > for any Teacher/Guru. The article here suggests that being a great moral 
> > teacher (acknowledging that premise) disallows a. His being and liar, (OK, 
> > we can suppose that); ...but more important:
> > 
> > b. that he was self-deceived.  The writer argues this is incompatible with 
> > being a great moral teacher.
> > 
> > I reject this conclusion.  Self-deception abounds!there's no end to it 
> > among all classes of people regardless of moral character.  YMMV.
> > 
> > ...Thus, Jesus was self-deceived.  That's my conclusion.
> 
> 
> According to Benjamin Creme, Jesus was "just" in CC.

Just for the record; Benjamin Creme also states that Jesus of Nazareth is now a 
Master. And that he is often seen amongst people around the world together with 
Maitreya as reported in 
http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/2011-03.htm

>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India

[Joe]

That's why I thought that Bobby Roth's smiley faced answer ("the IRS records 
are there for all to see!") at MUM a few weeks ago was disingenuous.

Of course the US domestic records are "in order"!  Try getting transparent 
financials from the international TMO including specifically the Indian home 
base.

The money isn't here, we all know that. It's in India.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> Before I ever donate to anything TM related I want to know this: - How much 
> to the Shrivastava's of India, who grew from very middle class to rich in the 
> last 30 years since MMY's organization took in money - how much do they 
> contribute to TM sponsored projects?  Why doesn't someone from a genuine 
> accounting firm look at the books (if they exist) and tell us. That would be 
> inspiring news, wouldn't it?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > So very, very close to Heaven On Earthdig deep!
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> > >
> > > Completion isjust around the corner if we can 
> > > only raise 20 million more !
> > > 
> > > --- On Wed, 4/20/11, merlin  wrote:
> > > 
> > > From: merlin 
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India
> > > To: 
> > > Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:28 AM
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> > > Tonight at 20.30  Holland time  
> > > in the Global Maharishi Family  Chat,
> > > our dear Raja Harris will speak 
> > > on the Brahmasthan of India,
> > > with lots of pictures ...
> > >  
> > > See also  this new webpage >>>
> > > http://maharishiindiacourses.com/
> > >  
> > >  
> > >    J a i   G u r u   D e v
> > >  
> > >  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus "self-deceived"?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> http://y-jesus.com/jesuscomplex_10.php
> 
> Interesting question, and provocative in that we can pose the same question 
> for any Teacher/Guru. The article here suggests that being a great moral 
> teacher (acknowledging that premise) disallows a. His being and liar, (OK, we 
> can suppose that); ...but more important:
> 
> b. that he was self-deceived.  The writer argues this is incompatible with 
> being a great moral teacher.
> 
> I reject this conclusion.  Self-deception abounds!there's no end to it 
> among all classes of people regardless of moral character.  YMMV.
> 
> ...Thus, Jesus was self-deceived.  That's my conclusion.


According to Benjamin Creme, Jesus was "just" in CC.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India

[wayback71]

Before I ever donate to anything TM related I want to know this: - How much to 
the Shrivastava's of India, who grew from very middle class to rich in the last 
30 years since MMY's organization took in money - how much do they contribute 
to TM sponsored projects?  Why doesn't someone from a genuine accounting firm 
look at the books (if they exist) and tell us. That would be inspiring news, 
wouldn't it?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> So very, very close to Heaven On Earthdig deep!
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> >
> > Completion isjust around the corner if we can only 
> > raise 20 million more !
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 4/20/11, merlin  wrote:
> > 
> > From: merlin 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India
> > To: 
> > Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:28 AM
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> > Tonight at 20.30  Holland time  
> > in the Global Maharishi Family  Chat,
> > our dear Raja Harris will speak 
> > on the Brahmasthan of India,
> > with lots of pictures ...
> >  
> > See also  this new webpage >>>
> > http://maharishiindiacourses.com/
> >  
> >  
> >    J a i   G u r u   D e v
> >  
> >  
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India

[Joe]

So very, very close to Heaven On Earthdig deep!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
>
> Completion isjust around the corner if we can only 
> raise 20 million more !
> 
> --- On Wed, 4/20/11, merlin  wrote:
> 
> From: merlin 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India
> To: 
> Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:28 AM
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> in the Global Maharishi Family  Chat,
> our dear Raja Harris will speak 
> on the Brahmasthan of India,
> with lots of pictures ...
>  
> See also  this new webpage >>>
> http://maharishiindiacourses.com/
>  
>  
>    J a i   G u r u   D e v
>  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus "self-deceived"?

[Yifu]

thx! ...re: your statement that he was in Unity C and had no other way to 
interpret the experience.

First, (a) regardless of the experience, one could argue that people in Unity 
had no other way to interpret [any] experience.

This is speculative and leads to an infinite regress, as well as conveying no 
useful information regarding the nature of the experience. (which I simply 
judge on an ordinary superficial level without imputing any further "deep" 
metaphysical overtones such as the nature of non-Doership, "the Gunas did it", 
etc...)
 , 
I believe Sai Baba is in Unity, and by the same token, (whatever interpetation 
he has), he had no other way to interpret the experience.

Ultimately, such questions return us to the overall unsolved question of 
determinism vs free will.  I'm siding with the "free will" part, with an 
"infinite" number of ways to interpret experiences; but the chips falling in a 
probabilistic pattern with judgements pertaining to morals and interpetations 
on an ordinary, superficial level.
...
Looking at an orthodox, non-Gnostic but dualist viewpoint of the Bible - 
inclusive of Evangelicals, Catholics, (but with other differences); let's 
accept that Jesus never directly stated that he was God, and Paul skirts around 
that also but puts in other statements of a vague nature pointing to some type 
of Divinity, NOT just the impersonalist Unity.
...
In any event, the Gnostics lost out in the battle taking several centuries and 
Orthodoxy has emerged victorious in pointing to the Divinity of Jesus 
"Himself", the Person; as opposed to a Gnostic interpretation.
...
Last but not least, I attribute some supposed statments of Jesus and the 
overall dualistic tone of the Greek Scriptures to Jesus NOT being in Unity and 
agree with MMY's assessment on the matter. He stated at Humboldt 70 that Jesus 
was in "God-Consciousness", and didnt' reach Unity.
Generally I'm not one to have much faith in Authorities, but that citation is 
worth a few cents.
...
My bottom line: no distinction whatsoever in the two sets a. the so-called 
Ignorant people - ignorant of the Self, and b. The Enlightened, or those in 
Unity; opting for an across the board assessment of decision making and the 
pitfalls of wrong decisions. IMO Jesus was self-deceived and was not in Unity; 
but if he were, he still could have been self deceived. MMY was not 
self-deceived?
...
Sorry, but siding with Barry on thisjust people, just opinions, but 
differing with him on other matters which I will get into in due time.
 Today's treat: Meta Piranha...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31553901/ns/technology_and_science-science/

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
> >
> > http://y-jesus.com/jesuscomplex_10.php
> > 
> > Interesting question, and provocative in that we can pose
> > the same question for any Teacher/Guru. The article here
> > suggests that being a great moral teacher (acknowledging
> > that premise) disallows a. His being and liar, (OK, we
> > can suppose that);
> 
> I think the writer pretty much demolishes that idea. But
> it isn't impossible that the God-claims were put in his
> mouth after the fact.
> 
> > ...but more important:
> > 
> > b. that he was self-deceived.  The writer argues this is 
> > incompatible with being a great moral teacher.
> 
> Because such self-delusion would mean he was insane, the
> writer says.
> 
> > I reject this conclusion.  Self-deception abounds!
> > there's no end to it among all classes of people regardless
> > of moral character.  YMMV.
> 
> I reject it too, but I'd suggest he may have been in
> Unity Consciousness and had no other way to interpret
> the experience.
> 
> > ...Thus, Jesus was self-deceived.  That's my conclusion.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus "self-deceived"?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> http://y-jesus.com/jesuscomplex_10.php
> 
> Interesting question, and provocative in that we can pose
> the same question for any Teacher/Guru. The article here
> suggests that being a great moral teacher (acknowledging
> that premise) disallows a. His being and liar, (OK, we
> can suppose that);

I think the writer pretty much demolishes that idea. But
it isn't impossible that the God-claims were put in his
mouth after the fact.

> ...but more important:
> 
> b. that he was self-deceived.  The writer argues this is 
> incompatible with being a great moral teacher.

Because such self-delusion would mean he was insane, the
writer says.

> I reject this conclusion.  Self-deception abounds!
> there's no end to it among all classes of people regardless
> of moral character.  YMMV.

I reject it too, but I'd suggest he may have been in
Unity Consciousness and had no other way to interpret
the experience.

> ...Thus, Jesus was self-deceived.  That's my conclusion.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Sal Sunshine]

On Apr 20, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Peter wrote:

> And then this poster goes on to put down Adyashanti! We are nothing if not 
> hypocrites!

And with that, you just reduced us all to nothingness~~
good job Peter! :)

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Sal Sunshine]

On Apr 20, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

> Comment from a non-FFL member friend on this thread:
>  I think putting down gangji was in appropriate and unnecessary. she may not 
> be his cup of tea but seems to have a following of people who get a lot out 
> of her. 

Sure glad the politeness police are out so that
we know what is appropriate and necessary, and
what isn't.  Thank goodness for that.
I agreed with feste's comment, and I actually like
Gangaji.  And what's wrong with being a drama
queen, anyway?  Why is that automatically an
insult? :)
> also,,, adyahanti is a good speaker but what value is it long term...

And I'm also really glad that there is someone
to tell myself and others what is good for us...
no reason to try anything out for ourselves then,
we can just let Mr. Politeness Police decide that
for us.

> my exp is that he describes the exp of realization and also what needs to be 
> done. in terms of coming out of denial. embracing the dark side and 
> investigating belief systems.  he basically said what B katie says. " the 
> only suffering is un investigated   beliefs", but he gives no way really that 
> is systematic for people to go in and deal with the shadow side or all the 
> thoughts..

"And if a person doesn't say exactly what I
think he should, I can say that.  But you can't
say what you think of other spiritual masters
(so-called).  Are we all clear on that now?
And never refer to anyone as a "drama
queen," even if they are."


> I need
> I want
>  I should
> he shouldn't etc
> he helped someone with "atma vichara" who am I, and encouraged someone to ask 
> themselves what is my deepest fears etc. this I felt was going in the right 
> direction and helpful.
> its still nice to hear this kind of satsang.. good to have understanding as 
> well
> this wont make sense to you unless you are really caught in the suffering 
> like someone of the questioners last night..

Of course, a lecture on appropriateness 
is never complete without the usual
condescending observations.
> I really could relate and thansk God I have katie, the sedona method and 
> shadow work.

Yes, we all should thank God we have our own personal
experts and cult leaders, that way we don't actually 
have to use our brains and think for ourselves once in 
a while.  That is a huge relief, as it then leaves us more
time to fully focus on what's really important, like watching
TV and feeling smugly superior to all the other
ignorant slobs out there.
> just doing "who am I " or lsitening to advatia talks are good entertainment 
> but for going deep into mental patterns to release them. I think a lot more 
> needs to be done. he seemed to say the say thing but doesnt give much 
> direction.

"Whereas the people *I* follow are the deepest
of the deep, the most directed, the most
expert on releasing mental patterns.  Nobody
else could possibly measure up. And my
daddy drove a bigger car than yours did too."
 

[FairfieldLife] Was Jesus "self-deceived"?

[Yifu]

http://y-jesus.com/jesuscomplex_10.php

Interesting question, and provocative in that we can pose the same question for 
any Teacher/Guru. The article here suggests that being a great moral teacher 
(acknowledging that premise) disallows a. His being and liar, (OK, we can 
suppose that); ...but more important:

b. that he was self-deceived.  The writer argues this is incompatible with 
being a great moral teacher.

I reject this conclusion.  Self-deception abounds!there's no end to it 
among all classes of people regardless of moral character.  YMMV.

...Thus, Jesus was self-deceived.  That's my conclusion.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square

[John]

I agree with you.  Jyotish should be taken as a sign post.  But some teachers, 
like Brendan Feeley, like to tell stories of legendary jyotishis who were able 
to make predictions up to the nearest second of time.  Feeley said that one can 
do this with the Krishnamurti Paddhati system.

I tried to learn this KP system, but gave up on it.  Instead, I prefer to use 
the classical Parashara system because one can incorporate many of the hidden 
jyotish techniques that are embedded in the vedic literature, such as the 
Srimad Bhagavatam, into the system.

JR






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Astrology should always be taken as an abstraction not a concrete.  I 
> know astrologers who believe that when they change dashas it's going to 
> be night and day.  It's "the science of light" dammit and preceding 
> dasha fades out as the next one fades in.  And thus the effect become 
> mixed near those cusps.  Same with infancy and old age which is a 
> recognition of the same principle as applied to planetary transits.
> 
> There are many Indian astrologers who just use basic techniques but 
> leave to westerners to get hung up in the minutia or "frosting" and miss 
> the meaning in a chart.  I recall one well known instructor in a class 
> put up a chart wanting the class to point out a very simple 
> interpretation and the class of course went off on all these things 
> about the nakshatras thinking they were impressing the teacher.  They 
> got a well deserved verbal lashing.
> 
> Astrology is like weather.  It tells you the propensity for an event 
> occurring not that it will absolutely occur.  When I see bad transits in 
> my chart I laugh at them and marvel how they unfold around me.
> 
> On 04/19/2011 11:25 PM, John wrote:
> > Ravi,
> >
> > Sanjay's ideas are a bit too orthodox for my taste.  Now, I understand why 
> > some American jyotishis call themselves neo-vedic astrologers.  But his 
> > techniques are unusual and one can incorporate some of his ideas into one's 
> > own repertoire.
> >
> > During one of his seminars a few years ago, he incorrectly predicted that 
> > John Edwards would be the next president of the USA.  I knew back then that 
> > Edwards would have a hard time in his career because his 10th lord was in 
> > the 12th house, an indication of a fall or loss.
> >
> > Nonetheless, I probably would attend his seminar in May just to keep 
> > abreast with current developments in the field.
> >
> > JR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> >> Sanjay is a good astrologer but if you do attend please be discriminating 
> >> enough to absorb the good techniques he passes along and reject the 
> >> personal propaganda that he and his disciples indulge in like Sun in 5th 
> >> is a good indicator of moksha - that's from his chart and just plain BS. 
> >> He is a good jyotish Guru and that's it - you can ignore some of the 
> >> spiritual crap that he dumps along.
> >>
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >>> Bhairitu,
> >>>
> >>> Now that you mentioned astrologers, I just got an email from someone that 
> >>> Sanjay Rath, a well-known jyotishi from India, will be coming back to the 
> >>> Bay Area to hold a seminar on how to read the Vimsamsa Chart among other 
> >>> things.  He's scheduled to teach around the latter part of May 2011.  The 
> >>> organizers are still trying to find a venue to hold the seminar at the 
> >>> present moment.
> >>>
> >>> JR
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>  And this weekend is woo-woo weekend at 8th and Brannon with the New
>  Living Expo.  For $15 you can see all the crystals, astrologers, gurus,
>  water filtering system and eat all kinds of vegetarian food.  These are
>  kinda fun especially in the 1990s when they were huge and next door at
>  the Fashion Center with shows spilling over to other nearby buildings.
>  Then you could even park across the street for $5.  Now those parking
>  lots have been replaced by condos and the nearest parking the last time
>  I went was $15 for the day.  Add the cost of gas and the bridge toll and
>  it makes for an expensive day.  Of course you can take BART ... if you
>  want to. :-D
> 
>  http://newlivingexpo.com/
> 
>  I call San Francisco "No Parking" because you'll see more of those signs
>  than anything else. Unfortunately BART was an expensive blunder and
>  doesn't get everywhere.  Probably a light rail system would have been
>  more successful.
> 
>  On 04/18/2011 04:08 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote:
> > I did commute to the city for six years, so have travelled quite a bit 
> > around the city. My favorite Indian place is Pakwan in Mission. As soon 
> > as my Saturn dasha started I quit my work and now moved away from the 
> > West to the East Bay, funny how things work out. My bro

[FairfieldLife] Is Jesus God?

[Yifu]

Personally, don't think so.

http://y-jesus.com/jesuscomplex_3.php

[FairfieldLife] Amazing ancient beasts

[Yifu]

First one must have lived through the Biblical Flood. I hope Noah put a pair on 
his boat.

http://www.livescience.com/13670-25-amazing-ancient-beasts-dinosaurs-reptiles.html

[FairfieldLife] Live Maharishi Gandharva Veda concert - 25 April webcast from Holland

[merlin]

 
 
Live >>>
 
    Maharishi Gandharva Veda concert  
 
on 25 April webcast from Holland ...
 
A special Maharishi Gandharva Veda music concert will be performed in Holland 
on 25 April 2011, at the TheaterHotel de Orangerie in Roermond... 
 
see more >>>
 
http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=130322716920557453

[FairfieldLife] Re: Isn't "all experience is painful" a way of expressing FEAR?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

> Seems to me that Patanjali was the classic recluse. He
> couldn't make it out in the world, so he is preaching to
> others that he assumes are just like him, terrified of
> ephemeral, relative experience, and afraid that these
> experiences will end at some point.

Barry, one of the most prominent legends about Patanjali
is that he was a *master dancer*. He's the patron saint
of Hindu dancers.

That simply doesn't jibe with your theory about his being
a recluse terrified of ephemeral experience; it's the very
antithesis of it. Nor (obviously) does it jibe with how
those who have passed on that legend have perceived him.

Not only could "your" Patanjali never have been a master
dancer, it would never have occurred to anybody even to
make up such a legend about him.

"I do not know what the spirit of a philosopher could
more wish to be than a good dancer.  For the dance is
his ideal."
--Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

"It's the heart afraid of breaking that never learns
to dance."
--Bette Midler

"While I dance I cannot judge, I cannot hate, I cannot
separate myself from life. I can only be joyful and
whole. That is why I dance."
--Hans Bos

> News flash for Patanjali: some of us got over the 
> ephemeral nature of life some time ago. We enjoy 
> experiences for as long as they last, and then we enjoy 
> the next experiences. What we DON'T do is is what he
> seems to be urging people to do while claiming it's
> "wise" -- focus on the negative.

No, that's not what he's urging people to do. That's a
shallow, overly literalistic interpretation.

> Anyone -- and I think we all know who on this forum might
> fall into this category :-) -- can take *any* experience
> and try to focus on some negative aspect of it. "The beau-
> tiful sunset won't last...boo hoo...knowing it won't last
> I'm so sad...this sunset has caused me pain." Or "Loving 
> someone is scary because one of these days either they'll 
> die or I'll die and it'll be over...boo hoo...I'm so sad, 
> because love is such a painful experience."

I'm gonna take a wild guess and assume you believe you're
describing me. If so, sorry, you couldn't be more wrong.

Are you beginning to get the idea that maybe you've
completely missed the point of what Patanjali was saying?

No, "all experience is painful" is not a way of expressing
FEAR. But *denying* it is a way of expressing FEAR OF
ACKNOWLEDGING PAIN.

That's you, Barry.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Peter]

And then this poster goes on to put down Adyashanti! We are nothing if not 
hypocrites!

--- On Wed, 4/20/11, Rick Archer  wrote:

From: Rick Archer 
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Adyashanti in Fairfield
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 12:53 PM











 











Comment from a non-FFL member friend on this thread:  I think putting down 
gangji was in appropriate and unnecessary. she may not be his cup of tea but 
seems to have a following of people who get a lot out of her.  also,,, 
adyahanti is a good speaker but what value is it long term... my exp is that he 
describes the exp of realization and also what needs to be done. in terms of 
coming out of denial. embracing the dark side and investigating belief 
systems.he basically said what B katie says. " the only suffering is un 
investigated   beliefs", but he gives no way really that is systematic for 
people to go in and deal with the shadow side or all the thoughts..I needI 
want I shouldhe shouldn't etche helped someone with "atma vichara" who am I, 
and encouraged someone to ask themselves what is my deepest fears etc. this I 
felt was going in the right direction and helpful.its still nice to hear this 
kind of satsang.. good to have understanding as
 wellthis wont make sense to you unless you are really caught in the suffering 
like someone of the questioners last night.. I really could relate and thansk 
God I have katie, the sedona method and shadow work. just doing "who am I " or 
lsitening to advatia talks are good entertainment but for going deep into 
mental patterns to release them. I think a lot more needs to be done. he seemed 
to say the say thing but doesnt give much direction.   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Peter]

I am outraged that someone on FFL created consternation in someone else! This 
is unheard of! "FFL where the lion lies down with the lamb.and then eats 
it."

--- On Wed, 4/20/11, feste37  wrote:

> From: feste37 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 1:06 PM
> 
> 
> This is a forum on which people express their opinions. I
> was expressing mine. Nothing "unnecessary" or
> "inappropriate" about it. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > Comment from a non-FFL member friend on this thread:
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I think putting down gangji was in appropriate and
> unnecessary. she may not
> > be his cup of tea but seems to have a following of
> people who get a lot out
> > of her.  
> > 
> > also,,, adyahanti is a good speaker but what value is
> it long term... my exp
> > is that he describes the exp of realization and also
> what needs to be done.
> > in terms of coming out of denial. embracing the dark
> side and investigating
> > belief systems.
> > 
> > he basically said what B katie says. " the only
> suffering is un investigated
> > beliefs", but he gives no way really that is
> systematic for people to go in
> > and deal with the shadow side or all the
> thoughts..
> > 
> > I need
> > 
> > I want
> > 
> >  I should
> > 
> > he shouldn't etc
> > 
> > he helped someone with "atma vichara" who am I, and
> encouraged someone to
> > ask themselves what is my deepest fears etc. this I
> felt was going in the
> > right direction and helpful.
> > 
> > its still nice to hear this kind of satsang.. good to
> have understanding as
> > well
> > 
> > this wont make sense to you unless you are really
> caught in the suffering
> > like someone of the questioners last night.. I really
> could relate and
> > thansk God I have katie, the sedona method and shadow
> work. just doing "who
> > am I " or lsitening to advatia talks are good
> entertainment but for going
> > deep into mental patterns to release them. I think a
> lot more needs to be
> > done. he seemed to say the say thing but doesnt give
> much direction.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 

[FairfieldLife] Rob Bell's Hell

[Yifu]

Threat to the Evangelical Business Plan
(game theory addresses the question of going to Hell)...
http://www.tinyurl.com/3nfr7sb

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[wayback71]

I saw Adyahanti a few night ago in Manhattan and your description is right on.  
I enjoyed it very much - a totally different experience in many ways. No people 
with flowers to give him, a mixed age crowd with a lot less gussied up stuff 
(maybe that is the zen influence too).  Less devotion to anyone and more 
accepting responsibility for yourself. He is really direct and clear and 
honest.  He makes as  clear as he can with words what it feels like for him to 
be Awakened.  Saw a few other TM teachers, too.   Crowd of about 800 and it was 
sponsored by Omega Institue.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
>
> Perhaps coming out of more of a zen/buddhist tradition makes him a little 
> more direct and intellectual. I've always enjoyed his simple clarity.
> 
> --- On Wed, 4/20/11, feste37  wrote:
> 
> > From: feste37 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Adyashanti in Fairfield
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 10:52 AM
> > Adyashanti was excellent in the
> > Sondheim last night. He had a good crowd, about 300, I would
> > guess. He is very smart, very articulate, well worth
> > hearing, for those who like that kind of thing (the "waking
> > up" thing, that is). I much prefer him to the imperious
> > drama queen, Gangaji. He handled questions superbly,
> > understanding exactly where people were coming from and
> > taking them where they wanted to go but didn't know how.
> > Very down-to-earth manner, not a trace of arrogance,
> > speaking democratically as one human being to others. I
> > enjoyed him a lot. He is speaking tonight, also, at
> > 7:30.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Weed Card

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRm1yqSmsGY

Great find, Joe. I love these gals; they consistently
just nail it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield

[feste37]

This is a forum on which people express their opinions. I was expressing mine. 
Nothing "unnecessary" or "inappropriate" about it. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Comment from a non-FFL member friend on this thread:
> 
>  
> 
> I think putting down gangji was in appropriate and unnecessary. she may not
> be his cup of tea but seems to have a following of people who get a lot out
> of her.  
> 
> also,,, adyahanti is a good speaker but what value is it long term... my exp
> is that he describes the exp of realization and also what needs to be done.
> in terms of coming out of denial. embracing the dark side and investigating
> belief systems.
> 
> he basically said what B katie says. " the only suffering is un investigated
> beliefs", but he gives no way really that is systematic for people to go in
> and deal with the shadow side or all the thoughts..
> 
> I need
> 
> I want
> 
>  I should
> 
> he shouldn't etc
> 
> he helped someone with "atma vichara" who am I, and encouraged someone to
> ask themselves what is my deepest fears etc. this I felt was going in the
> right direction and helpful.
> 
> its still nice to hear this kind of satsang.. good to have understanding as
> well
> 
> this wont make sense to you unless you are really caught in the suffering
> like someone of the questioners last night.. I really could relate and
> thansk God I have katie, the sedona method and shadow work. just doing "who
> am I " or lsitening to advatia talks are good entertainment but for going
> deep into mental patterns to release them. I think a lot more needs to be
> done. he seemed to say the say thing but doesnt give much direction.
>

[FairfieldLife] Isn't "all experience is painful" a way of expressing FEAR?

[turquoiseb]

Back to Patanjali. Yes, I understand that his "the wise
consider all experiences painful" is a technique of sorts.
It's a way of saying, "All of these experiences are temp-
orary, so you should focus on something that is eternal."
This argument would actually appeal to those who have
been taught that transcendence is the *only* eternal or
lasting experience. 

But the thing is, it's not. The same eternity that one
experiences in the transcendent is equally present in 
every single ephemeral relative experience. If it weren't
then Unity Consciousness wouldn't be possible.

So it seems to me that Patanjali's argument is pitched
at those who are *afraid of change* or *afraid of loss*.
I've met a lot of these people in so-called "spiritual"
pursuits. They're afraid of everyday, relative exper-
ience because they are afraid that it won't last, and
that at some point they'll experience loss. So they try
to spend as much time as possible in transcendence, or
samadhi, something they think is eternal, and will last.

I think these guys are wusses who have missed out on
the point of life. So relative experience changes. So
what? So one experience ends and another begins. So what?
What is the *problem* with this, except for an unrealistic
attachment to experience, and an ego-centered desire to
have the ones you enjoy go on forever?

Seems to me that Patanjali was the classic recluse. He
couldn't make it out in the world, so he is preaching to
others that he assumes are just like him, terrified of
ephemeral, relative experience, and afraid that these
experiences will end at some point.

News flash for Patanjali: some of us got over the ephemeral
nature of life some time ago. We enjoy experiences for as
long as they last, and then we enjoy the next experiences.
What we DON'T do is is what he seems to be urging people
to do while claiming it's "wise" -- focus on the negative.

Anyone -- and I think we all know who on this forum might
fall into this category :-) -- can take *any* experience
and try to focus on some negative aspect of it. "The beau-
tiful sunset won't last...boo hoo...knowing it won't last
I'm so sad...this sunset has caused me pain." Or "Loving 
someone is scary because one of these days either they'll 
die or I'll die and it'll be over...boo hoo...I'm so sad, 
because love is such a painful experience."

What a buncha fuckin' whiners. There is a phrase that 
comes up in almost every spiritual tradition of value:
"What you focus on, you become." Focus on the negative
side of relative experience, and you become as fearful
as Patanjali was, and IMO lose the ability to actually 
*enjoy* these beautiful experiences that life has
offered us. 

Me, I'd rather focus on the joys of life than dwell like 
some terrified little dweeb on the possible "painful"
fact that they won't last. OF COURSE they won't last.
That doesn't mean that they aren't wonderful as long as
they do last. And that *also* doesn't mean that they
are not eternal, as they flit by. All of creation is
eternal, composed of the same Absolute that one glimpses
during transcendence. By diving into experience fully,
one can glimpse eternality even in the ephemeral. By 
denying the joys of relative experience and focusing
only on non-experience (the transcendent), my feeling
is that one is running away from life, not towards
enlightenment. 

YMMV. 
 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Rick Archer]

Comment from a non-FFL member friend on this thread:

 

I think putting down gangji was in appropriate and unnecessary. she may not
be his cup of tea but seems to have a following of people who get a lot out
of her.  

also,,, adyahanti is a good speaker but what value is it long term... my exp
is that he describes the exp of realization and also what needs to be done.
in terms of coming out of denial. embracing the dark side and investigating
belief systems.

he basically said what B katie says. " the only suffering is un investigated
beliefs", but he gives no way really that is systematic for people to go in
and deal with the shadow side or all the thoughts..

I need

I want

 I should

he shouldn't etc

he helped someone with "atma vichara" who am I, and encouraged someone to
ask themselves what is my deepest fears etc. this I felt was going in the
right direction and helpful.

its still nice to hear this kind of satsang.. good to have understanding as
well

this wont make sense to you unless you are really caught in the suffering
like someone of the questioners last night.. I really could relate and
thansk God I have katie, the sedona method and shadow work. just doing "who
am I " or lsitening to advatia talks are good entertainment but for going
deep into mental patterns to release them. I think a lot more needs to be
done. he seemed to say the say thing but doesnt give much direction.

 

[FairfieldLife] Weed Card

[Joe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRm1yqSmsGY

[FairfieldLife] Re: Manufactured Needs, Projected Needs

[authfriend]

Oh, shut up, Barry. You haven't even the foggiest
idea of what we were talking about, so you can't
possibly have anything relevant to say.

But just on its own terms, you once again make the
whopping mistake of assuming you can apply a
description of *your* experience to everybody else.
Especially ridiculous is the "even though they've
never for a moment considered" bit. How pathetic.

And not only didn't you have the good sense not to
let yourself get way sucked in, you got way sucked
in *twice*.

"The voice of reason" my foot. The voice of fantasy
is more like it.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Have you ever noticed that cultists...uh, I mean
> spiritual seekers...tend to project onto people 
> who don't belief in their cult dogma...uh, I mean 
> their spiritual beliefs...by projecting onto these
> non-believers the very faults *they* have paid 
> thousands of dollars to the cult trying to rid
> themselves of?  
> 
> It's part of a cycle. The cycle starts with a sales
> spiel from the cult: "You need our services because
> you're full of stress and your Self is overshadowed
> by everything you experience." Cult fodder hear this
> and, even though they've never for a moment considered
> this manufactured "need" being sold to them, they buy
> into it. "Oh shit...Guru Bigdongananda is right. Now
> that I think about it my life IS full of stress. And
> my Self is SO overshadowed by my experiences that I'm
> not even sure I know what a Self is. I should sign up
> for the Guru's courses immediately so that I can 'fix'
> these terrible things that are wrong with me."
> 
> And thus starts the long descending elevator ride of 
> your bank account as you pay first to support one manu-
> factured need, and then the next manufactured need, as 
> the Guru tells you even *more* things that are wrong
> with you and that you "need" to fix. Fortunately, he 
> has just the course that'll fix it all for you -- and
> it only costs $5000 or $10,000 or a million dollars, 
> depending on how long you've been in the cult and how 
> much money they think you have.
> 
> Then, unless they've completely sequestered themselves
> and cut themselves off from contact with reality by 
> moving to a monastery or to some hick town in the middle 
> of nowhere, what often happens is that the cultists 
> run into someone who speaks to them with the voice of
> reason: "Now wait...you mean that you have paid tens of
> thousands of dollars to this Guru of yours because he
> told you that your life was full of stress? And that you
> were 'broken' because your Self (and you're *still* not 
> sure what that word means) was 'overshadowed'? What can 
> you have been thinking? This Guru of yours manufactured 
> a set of problems for, got you to believe that you had 
> them, and then waited for you to pay *him* to get rid 
> of the very problems *he'd* manufactured."
> 
> And what do the cultists do when someone hits them with
> a little splash of cold water like this? They project
> onto the splasher/critics the VERY manufactured problems 
> that they've paid thousands of dollars to eliminate in
> themselves. "Pay no attention to him. He's just a 
> critic. He's full of stress and he's 'unstressing' on us.
> His Self is completely overshadowed. Not like us. If he 
> had only paid as much as we had to eliminate these things 
> he'd be sane. But he's not so tune him out."
> 
> It's a cycle. Watch for it. Cultists always accuse their
> critics of the same things they think are wrong with them.
> The more they've paid to get rid of these manufactured
> faults, the more they think their critics have them and
> they no longer do.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square

[Bhairitu]

Astrology should always be taken as an abstraction not a concrete.  I 
know astrologers who believe that when they change dashas it's going to 
be night and day.  It's "the science of light" dammit and preceding 
dasha fades out as the next one fades in.  And thus the effect become 
mixed near those cusps.  Same with infancy and old age which is a 
recognition of the same principle as applied to planetary transits.

There are many Indian astrologers who just use basic techniques but 
leave to westerners to get hung up in the minutia or "frosting" and miss 
the meaning in a chart.  I recall one well known instructor in a class 
put up a chart wanting the class to point out a very simple 
interpretation and the class of course went off on all these things 
about the nakshatras thinking they were impressing the teacher.  They 
got a well deserved verbal lashing.

Astrology is like weather.  It tells you the propensity for an event 
occurring not that it will absolutely occur.  When I see bad transits in 
my chart I laugh at them and marvel how they unfold around me.

On 04/19/2011 11:25 PM, John wrote:
> Ravi,
>
> Sanjay's ideas are a bit too orthodox for my taste.  Now, I understand why 
> some American jyotishis call themselves neo-vedic astrologers.  But his 
> techniques are unusual and one can incorporate some of his ideas into one's 
> own repertoire.
>
> During one of his seminars a few years ago, he incorrectly predicted that 
> John Edwards would be the next president of the USA.  I knew back then that 
> Edwards would have a hard time in his career because his 10th lord was in the 
> 12th house, an indication of a fall or loss.
>
> Nonetheless, I probably would attend his seminar in May just to keep abreast 
> with current developments in the field.
>
> JR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>> Sanjay is a good astrologer but if you do attend please be discriminating 
>> enough to absorb the good techniques he passes along and reject the personal 
>> propaganda that he and his disciples indulge in like Sun in 5th is a good 
>> indicator of moksha - that's from his chart and just plain BS. He is a good 
>> jyotish Guru and that's it - you can ignore some of the spiritual crap that 
>> he dumps along.
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>>> Bhairitu,
>>>
>>> Now that you mentioned astrologers, I just got an email from someone that 
>>> Sanjay Rath, a well-known jyotishi from India, will be coming back to the 
>>> Bay Area to hold a seminar on how to read the Vimsamsa Chart among other 
>>> things.  He's scheduled to teach around the latter part of May 2011.  The 
>>> organizers are still trying to find a venue to hold the seminar at the 
>>> present moment.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
 And this weekend is woo-woo weekend at 8th and Brannon with the New
 Living Expo.  For $15 you can see all the crystals, astrologers, gurus,
 water filtering system and eat all kinds of vegetarian food.  These are
 kinda fun especially in the 1990s when they were huge and next door at
 the Fashion Center with shows spilling over to other nearby buildings.
 Then you could even park across the street for $5.  Now those parking
 lots have been replaced by condos and the nearest parking the last time
 I went was $15 for the day.  Add the cost of gas and the bridge toll and
 it makes for an expensive day.  Of course you can take BART ... if you
 want to. :-D

 http://newlivingexpo.com/

 I call San Francisco "No Parking" because you'll see more of those signs
 than anything else. Unfortunately BART was an expensive blunder and
 doesn't get everywhere.  Probably a light rail system would have been
 more successful.

 On 04/18/2011 04:08 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote:
> I did commute to the city for six years, so have travelled quite a bit 
> around the city. My favorite Indian place is Pakwan in Mission. As soon 
> as my Saturn dasha started I quit my work and now moved away from the 
> West to the East Bay, funny how things work out. My brother-in-law wanted 
> me to move to the east closer to my brother in Boston because of Saturn 
> but I argued that it could be east in the Bay area and that's how it 
> turned out to be - but I do miss the beautiful Sunsets.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"   wrote:
>> You should visit the City more often.  Have lunch at the Indian 
>> restaurant.  The price is reasonable and it's all you can eat.  Then, 
>> take the scenic drive as I did.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"   wrote:
>>> Love that place, haven't been to the city in a long time though.
>>>
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"   wrote:
 After having lunch at an Indian restaurant at Geary and 25th Ave.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India

[Peter]

Completion isjust around the corner if we can only 
raise 20 million more !

--- On Wed, 4/20/11, merlin  wrote:

From: merlin 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India
To: 
Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 11:28 AM

















 












Tonight at 20.30  Holland time  
in the Global Maharishi Family  Chat,
our dear Raja Harris will speak 
on the Brahmasthan of India,
with lots of pictures ...
 
See also  this new webpage >>>
http://maharishiindiacourses.com/
 
 
   J a i   G u r u   D e v
 
 

















 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Examples of "manufactured needs"

[merudanda]

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to Maharishi Vedic Education Development Corporation and used under
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>
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> >
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> > you are not using your full mental potential."
> > Solution: Transcendental Meditation(TM)
> >
> > Need: "The world is often puzzling to you, and you don't understand
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> > What you need are pat answers so that you come to believe that you
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> >
> > Need: "You are an ordinary human being, and lack the superpowers
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> you."
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Adyashanti in Fairfield

[Peter]

Perhaps coming out of more of a zen/buddhist tradition makes him a little more 
direct and intellectual. I've always enjoyed his simple clarity.

--- On Wed, 4/20/11, feste37  wrote:

> From: feste37 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Adyashanti in Fairfield
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 10:52 AM
> Adyashanti was excellent in the
> Sondheim last night. He had a good crowd, about 300, I would
> guess. He is very smart, very articulate, well worth
> hearing, for those who like that kind of thing (the "waking
> up" thing, that is). I much prefer him to the imperious
> drama queen, Gangaji. He handled questions superbly,
> understanding exactly where people were coming from and
> taking them where they wanted to go but didn't know how.
> Very down-to-earth manner, not a trace of arrogance,
> speaking democratically as one human being to others. I
> enjoyed him a lot. He is speaking tonight, also, at
> 7:30.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Raja Harris speaks on the Brahmasthan of India

[merlin]

Tonight at 20.30  Holland time  
in the Global Maharishi Family  Chat,
our dear Raja Harris will speak 
on the Brahmasthan of India,
with lots of pictures ...
 
See also  this new webpage >>>
http://maharishiindiacourses.com/
 
 
   J a i   G u r u   D e v
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Beatles, Donovan, Beach Boys, Maharishi in '68

[Rick Archer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FtVPvr2LVw
 &feature=share

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tTy1wI5Jl4
 &feature=share



 

[FairfieldLife] Adyashanti in Fairfield

[feste37]

Adyashanti was excellent in the Sondheim last night. He had a good crowd, about 
300, I would guess. He is very smart, very articulate, well worth hearing, for 
those who like that kind of thing (the "waking up" thing, that is). I much 
prefer him to the imperious drama queen, Gangaji. He handled questions 
superbly, understanding exactly where people were coming from and taking them 
where they wanted to go but didn't know how. Very down-to-earth manner, not a 
trace of arrogance, speaking democratically as one human being to others. I 
enjoyed him a lot. He is speaking tonight, also, at 7:30.  

[FairfieldLife] Spot Barry's pain contest ( Was Re: A Conversation With Patanjali)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> > Most of us here are in pain; it ain't just Barry by any means.
> > Not all of us are in denial about it, however. Some of us
> > understand Patanjali's assertion as a fundamental truth even
> > if we haven't yet been able to acknowledge all our pain, or
> > to transcend it.
> 
> I'm quite perplexed at Barry and others insistence on lack
> of pain. That there's nothing to do and they can
> intellectually deceive themselves in to a "so-called" non-
> enlightened enlightened state. Thats why I say most are
> happy to band-aid their wounds through intellectual
> deception and/or increased indulgence and continue on.

I think one possible explanation may be that some such
people endured an enormous amount of pain very early in
their lives and had to deny it to survive. The habit of
denial became so ingrained in their psyche that they've
never been able to acknowledge pain even as adults, lest
the slightest chink in the wall they've built allow all
that early pain to come spilling out. The only way they
know how to deal with pain is to deny it.

I suspect this is more common with men than with women.
The whole culture reinforces the equation of denial of
pain with strength and masculinity right from childhood.
And some subcultures practically make a fetish of it,
such as sports and the military.


> It takes the grace of existence to increase the pain to
> a level where you are forced to acknowledge and be ready
> for the intricate surgery to deal with it once for all.
> Unless the pain is acknowledged it is just intellectual
> deception, since a real thirsty person reaches for water
> rather read books on water, suppliers of water, containers
> of water, pros, cons and the like.

[FairfieldLife] Headline of the week

[authfriend]

>From AP:

"More than 7 million candles recalled for fire risk"



(Turns out it's the plastic holders of tea lights 
that could melt and catch fire.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Manufactured Needs, Projected Needs (the short form)

[authfriend]

There's unquestionably something WRONG with *this*
critic, because he lives in a fantasy world of his
own making and genuinely believes it's the same
world the rest of us live in. He's even created a
fantasy FFL complete with fantasy fanatical 
cultists who write fantasy posts for him to
denounce. And he calls this "just enjoying his
daily life."

His real daily life must be horrendously crappy
if he needs to escape from it into a manufactured
one in order to enjoy himself.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> "There must be something WRONG with these critics. They
> don't spend several hours a day and scads of money 
> trying to become  enlightened, like I do. By 
> definition this means that there is something WRONG
> with them, because if they knew how important it is to 
> become enlightened (to transcend this world of pain, 
> like my guru told me) and how much better enlight-
> enment is than just enjoying one's daily life (again,
> like my guru told me), they would spend as much time 
> and money pursuing enlightenment as I do. I've been
> pursuing it for 40 years and have spent tens of thousands 
> of dollars pursuing it now; that's how cool I am. Them? 
> Not so much. There is something WRONG with them because 
> they don't spend as much time and money trying to get 
> rid of the things my guru says are WRONG with me, the
> way I do. If they just believed what I believe and did 
> what I do they'd be OK."
>

[FairfieldLife] What will be new in Mac World this year?

[Sal Sunshine]

Very interested in seeing whatever they might come
up with, since I can't really imagine they're
going to design bigger computers than the
17" MacBook Pro and 27" iMac they already have.
(And bigger every year seems to have been their
MO for quite a while now, but at what point do a 
"laptop" and a "desktop"
cease to fit those definitions?)  And iPad 2
is already out.  
I heard about a new OS, but that will only work
on the very latest computers~~seems to 
me they won't be satisfied with just that.
So what are they going to
come up with~~any thoughts? 

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Examples of "manufactured needs"

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>
> Need: "The world is often puzzling to you, and you don't understand
it.
> What you need are pat answers so that you come to believe that you
know
> everything about everything."
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>
> Need: "You are an ordinary human being, and lack the superpowers that
> all of your favorite comic book characters had when you were a child."
> Solution:  The TM-Sidhi program(TM)
>
> Need:  "You are an ordinary person living in a scary world, and can't
> affect that world very much; what you want is to be able to believe
that
> you create "coherence" and world peace just by meditating and bouncing
> on your butt."
> Solution: Transcendental Meditation(TM) + the TM-Sidhi program(TM)
>
> Need: "You're not healthy enough, and worse, you rely on 
Western
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> Health(TM), Maharishi  Vedic Vibration Technology(TM), Maharishi
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> Psychology(TM), Maharishi Self-Pulse(TM), Breath of Serenity(TM),
> Maharishi Amrit Kalash(TM), Maharishi College of Vedic Medicine(TM)
>
> Need: "You live in houses that are making you sick and poor, and that
> make you enter and leave them through  inauspicious doorways."
> Solution:  Maharishi Sthapatya Veda(TM)
>
> Need: "You don't know what's going to happen in the future, and that
> worries you. We can tell you. As long as you believe what we tell you,
> you won't have to worry any more."
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>
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>
> Need: "You have shitty taste in music."
> Solution: Maharishi Gandharva Veda(TM)
>
> Need: "You are getting WAY too much nookie. Don't you know that's BAD
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Conversation With Patanjali

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> If you have a pitta constitution, you'll understand that it's a pain
to have itches on your chest and arms.

That's not the itch I typically deal with, but thanks for the advice.
(-:

But the meditation practice tones down the itches at a milder or
manageable level.
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> > I am not sure if this applies or not. But I tend to eshew things
like beautiful sunsets, or "beautiful" days. Or at least I don't get
emotional about them. They are what they are. I neither delight in them,
nor ignore them. But my bias is to not give them much attention.
> >
> > Kind of like the weather. You hear all the time about how "nasty"
the weather is, or how "gorgeous" of a day it is. I don't care to make
any judgements about the weather. It also is what it is. I'll take it
either way.
> >
> > I don't know what Pantanjali might be referring to when he says all
experience is pain, (or something to that effect). But I do relate to
the part about having equanimity with all things that come ones way. I
don't know if that is Pantanjali or not, but I relate to that.
> >
> > I have seen so many things appear to be positive, and turn out less
so, and vice-versa, that I just try to look at things in a little more
of a dispassionate way. I know I am throwing out some jargon here, but
these terms work for me.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Examples of "manufactured needs"

[turquoiseb]

Need: "You are not satisfied with your life, you are full of stress, and
you are not using your full mental potential."
Solution: Transcendental Meditation(TM)

Need: "The world is often puzzling to you, and you don't understand it.
What you need are pat answers so that you come to believe that you know
everything about everything."
Solution:  The Science of Creative Intelligence(TM)

Need: "You are an ordinary human being, and lack the superpowers that
all of your favorite comic book characters had when you were a child."
Solution:  The TM-Sidhi program(TM)

Need:  "You are an ordinary person living in a scary world, and can't
affect that world very much; what you want is to be able to believe that
you create "coherence" and world peace just by meditating and bouncing
on your butt."
Solution: Transcendental Meditation(TM) + the TM-Sidhi program(TM)

Need: "You're not healthy enough, and worse, you rely on  Western
medicine to make you healthier."
Solution(s): Maharishi Ayur-Veda(TM), Maharishi Vedic Approach to
Health(TM), Maharishi  Vedic Vibration Technology(TM), Maharishi Instant
Relief(TM), Instant Relief(TM),  Maharishi Rejuvenation(TM), Maharishi
Rasayana Program(TM), Maharishi Vedic Medicine(TM), Maharishi Vedic
Psychology(TM), Maharishi Self-Pulse(TM), Breath of Serenity(TM),
Maharishi Amrit Kalash(TM), Maharishi College of Vedic Medicine(TM)

Need: "You live in houses that are making you sick and poor, and that
make you enter and leave them through  inauspicious doorways."
Solution:  Maharishi Sthapatya Veda(TM)

Need: "You don't know what's going to happen in the future, and that
worries you. We can tell you. As long as you believe what we tell you, 
you won't have to worry any more."
Solution:  Maharishi Jyotish(TM)

Need: "You are just not smart enough. You need someone to educate you."
Solution(s): Maharishi Vedic Management(TM), Maharishi Corporate
Development Program(TM),  Consciousness-Based(TM), Maharishi Vedic
University(TM), Maharishi Vedic School(TM),  Maharishi Academy of Total
Knowledge—High School for Leadership(TM),  Maharishi Vedic
Center(TM), Maharishi Ayur-Veda School(TM), Maharishi Ayur-Veda 
University(TM), Maharishi Ayur-Veda College, Maharishi Ayur-Veda 
Foundation(TM), Maharishi Ayur-Veda Medical Center(TM), Maharishi
University of  Management(TM), Maharishi School of the Age of
Enlightenment(TM), Maharishi College of Vedic Medicine(TM), Vedic
Science(TM), Maharishi Vedic Science(TM)

Need: "You have shitty taste in music."
Solution: Maharishi Gandharva Veda(TM)

Need: "You are getting WAY too much nookie. Don't you know that's BAD
for you?"
Solution:  Thousand-Headed Purusha(TM), Maharishi Thousand-Headed
Purusha(TM), Maharishi  Purusha(TM), Purusha(TM), Thousand-Headed Mother
Divine(TM), Mother Divine(TM), Ideal  Girls' School(TM)

Need: "You live on planet Earth, which is icky."
Solution: Maharishi Heaven on Earth(TM)

Whatever we can convince you is wrong with you or with the world around
you, we have a solution.

Prices of these unique programs vary, depending on how desperately we've
convinced you that you need them, and how much you have in your wallet.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Manufactured Needs, Projected Needs (the short form)

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> This exactly how my ex put it. She claimed she was very 
> spiritual and said I was tamasic (dull, lazy), worldly, 
> materialistic, born with a bad nakshatra(Chitra). 

And she may have been right. :-)

The point is, her saying it, and trying to get you
to believe and act the way she wanted you to, was
inappropriate. It's called ego, or hubris, or cult
thinking. 

Cultists call it "dharma," or prosyletizing, or
evangelism. I think my terms are more accurate. :-)

Although cultists on this forum accuse me of trying
to "convert" others to my point of view, I really
don't. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT what they believe,
or how they choose to live. What I mostly do is 
present *different points of view* to theirs. 

I'm not selling those points of view. I *am* occas-
ionally throwing them out because I know that the
cultist mentality will react strongly to them by
*thinking* that I'm doing the same thing they do,
and "selling" them, but I'm really not. Half the
time I don't even believe terribly much in the dif-
ferent points of view I throw out; they're just
momentary ideas to which I am not terribly attached
or invested in.

I admit, however, that sometimes I *do* throw these 
different points of view out *to make a point*. That 
point, of course, is to demonstrate how strongly and 
often how compulsively and insanely some on this forum
react *to* having a different point of view to the one 
they've bought into being presented. The overreactions
are a constant source of amusement. :-)

Bottom line for me is that you (the generic "you,"
meaning "everyone") are free to believe whatever you
want and do whatever you want with your life. Where
I draw the line is at you (the generic "you) trying 
to sell me on doing the same. That's tacky.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Conversation With Patanjali

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi"  wrote:
>
> 

> Are you translating Bhoga-saadhana as "experiences"? 

No, just 'bhoga'...


Bhoga means -
> worldly, materialistic; saadhana - here would be indulgence. So just
> translating it as experiences doesn't seem to do justice to this word.
> All materialistic indulgences or attaching to the outer experiences, the
> outer world that is in a constant flux, the maaya.

Here are CDSL (~ Monier-Williams) definitions of those two
words:

1   bhoga   1 m. (1. %{bhuj}) any winding or curve , coil (of a serpent) 
RV. &c. &c. ; the expanded hood of a snake Hariv. Ka1m. Pan5cat. ; a partic. 
kind of military array Ka1m. ; a snake Suparn2. ; the body L.
2   bhoga   2 m. (3. %{bhuj}) enjoyment , eating , feeding on RV. &c. &c. 
(with Jainas `" enjoying once "' , as opp. to %{upa-bhoga} , q.v.) ; use , 
application S3Br. Gr2S3rS. &c. ; fruition , usufruct , use of a deposit &c. Mn. 
Ya1jn5. ; sexual enjoyment Mn. MBh. &c. ; enjñenjoyment of the earth or of a 
country i.e. rule , sway Ma1rkP. ; experiencing , feeling , perception (of 
pleasure or pain) Mn. MBh. &c. ; profit , utility , advantage , pleasure , 
delight RV. &c. &c. ; any object of enjoyment (as food , a festival &c.) MBh. 
R. ; possession , property , wealth , revenue Mn. MBh. &c. ; hire , wages (esp. 
of prostitution) L. ; (in astron.) the passing through a constellation VarBr2S. 
; the part of the ecliptic occupied by each of the 27 lunar mansions Su1ryas. ; 
(in arithm.) the numerator of a fraction (?) W. ; N. of a teacher Cat. ; (%{A}) 
f. N. of a Sura7n3gana1 Sin6ha7s. ; n. w.r. for %{bhogya} or %{bhAgya}.


sAdhana mf(%{I} or %{A}) jn. leading straight to a goal , guiding well , 
furthering RV. ; effective , efficient , productive of (comp.) MBh. Ka1v. &c. ; 
procuring Ka1v. ; conjuring up (a spirit) Katha1s. ; denoting , designating , 
expressive of (comp.) Pa1n2. Sch. ; m. N. of the author of RV. x , 157 (having 
the patr. %{bhauvana}) Anukr. ; (%{A}) f. accomplishment , performance (see 
%{mantra-s-}) ; propitiation , worship , adoration L. ; (%{am}) n. (ifc. f. 
%{A}) , the act of mastering , overpowering , subduing Kir. Pan5cat. ; 
subdueing by charms , conjuring up, summoning (spirits &c.) MBh. Katha1s. ; 
subduing a disease , healing , cure Sus3r. MBh. &c. ; enforcing payment or 
recovery (of a debt) Das3. ; bringing about , carrying out , accomplishment , 
fullilment , completion , perfection Nir. MBh. &c. ; establishment of a truth , 
proof. argument , demonstration Ya1jn5. Sa1h. Sarvad. ; reason or premiss (in a 
syllogism , leading to a conclusion) Mudr. v , 10 ; any means of effecting or 
accomplishing , any agent or instrument or implement or utensil or apparatus , 
an expedient , requisite for (gen. or comp.) Mn. R. &c. ; a means of summoning 
or conjuring up a spirit (or deity) Ka1lac. ; means or materials of warfare , 
military forces , army or portion of an army (sg. and pl.) Hariv. Uttar. 
Ra1jat. ; conflict , battle S3is3. ; means of correcting or punishing (as `" a 
stick "' , `" rod "' &c.) TBr. Sch. ; means of enjoyment , goods , commodities 
&c. R. ; efficient cause or source (in general) L. ; organ of generation (male 
or female) , Sah. ; (in gram.) the sense of the instrumental or agent (as 
expressed by the case of a noun , opp. to the action itself) Pat. ; preparing , 
making ready , preparation (of food , poison &c.) Katha1s. Ma1rkP. ; obtaining 
, procuring , gain , acquisition Ka1v. BhP. ; finding out by calculation , 
computation Gan2it. ; fruit , result Pan5cat. ; the conjugational affix or 
suffix which is placed between the root and terminations (= %{vIharaNa} q.v.) 
Pa1n2. 8-4 , 30 Va1rtt. 1 ; (only L. `" matter , material , substance , 
ingredient , drug , medicine ; good works , penance , self-mortification , 
attainment of beatitude ; conciliation , propitiation , worship ; killing , 
destroying ; killing metals , depriving them by oxydation &c. of their metallic 
properties [esp. said of mercury] ; burning on a funeral pile , obsequies ; 
setting out , proceeding , going ; going quickly ; going after , following.).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Manufactured Needs, Projected Needs (the short form)

[Ravi Yogi]

This exactly how my ex put it. She claimed she was very spiritual and
said I was tamasic (dull, lazy), worldly, materialistic, born with a bad
nakshatra(Chitra). She abused my mother, my homeland, my mother tongue
Telugu, she said all the people from my place were Rakshasas(demons). It
caused me a lot of pain, anguish, sadness - but out of my tears arose
the blessings. Or I could have become a skeptic railing against Gurus
but I did not even though one one would blamed have me if I did.
I can totally understand your frustration, you must have come across
several people who were like my ex's who condemn materialistic worldly
people but then they miss the point. Spirituality for my ex was serious
business, I couldn't crack jokes, no sarcasm, no mocking of scriptures,
Gurus, other devotees of Amma, no listening to music other than bhajans,
no cigarettes, no drinking, no parties, no dancing, no clubbing, no
socilaizing, no fun period.
Boy spirituality was a very boring, dull, serious business for her.
So I truly understand where you are coming for her because I was married
to this so called spiritual sadist for 13 years.
But now I can see that spirituality doesn't mean all that, it is about
embracing life in its all colors, the beauty, joy, love and celebration.
Don't let anyone convince you otherwise.
Its your choice to be enlightened or not. To walk along the spiritual
path or not.  No one is a less person if they are still indulging in
material pleasures or if they don't want to buy someone's version of
enlightenment.
I never did buy my ex's version of how a Yogi should be, I created my
own version - the gangsta yogi of the divine mother.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> "There must be something WRONG with these critics. They
> don't spend several hours a day and scads of money
> trying to become  enlightened, like I do. By
> definition this means that there is something WRONG
> with them, because if they knew how important it is to
> become enlightened (to transcend this world of pain,
> like my guru told me) and how much better enlight-
> enment is than just enjoying one's daily life (again,
> like my guru told me), they would spend as much time
> and money pursuing enlightenment as I do. I've been
> pursuing it for 40 years and have spent tens of thousands
> of dollars pursuing it now; that's how cool I am. Them?
> Not so much. There is something WRONG with them because
> they don't spend as much time and money trying to get
> rid of the things my guru says are WRONG with me, the
> way I do. If they just believed what I believe and did
> what I do they'd be OK."
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Manufactured Needs, Projected Needs (the short form)

[turquoiseb]

"There must be something WRONG with these critics. They
don't spend several hours a day and scads of money 
trying to become  enlightened, like I do. By 
definition this means that there is something WRONG
with them, because if they knew how important it is to 
become enlightened (to transcend this world of pain, 
like my guru told me) and how much better enlight-
enment is than just enjoying one's daily life (again,
like my guru told me), they would spend as much time 
and money pursuing enlightenment as I do. I've been
pursuing it for 40 years and have spent tens of thousands 
of dollars pursuing it now; that's how cool I am. Them? 
Not so much. There is something WRONG with them because 
they don't spend as much time and money trying to get 
rid of the things my guru says are WRONG with me, the
way I do. If they just believed what I believe and did 
what I do they'd be OK." 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Conversation With Patanjali

[Ravi Yogi]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> > I am not sure if this applies or not.  But I tend to eshew things
like beautiful sunsets, or "beautiful" days.  Or at least I don't get
emotional about them. They are what they are.  I neither delight in
them, nor ignore them.  But my bias is to not give them much attention.
> >
> > Kind of like the weather.  You hear all the time about how "nasty"
the weather is, or how "gorgeous" of a day it is.  I don't care to make
any judgements about the weather.  It also is what it is. I'll take it
either way.
> >
> > I don't know what Pantanjali might be referring to when he says all
experience is pain, (or something to that effect). >
>
> This is from Bhoja's comment on that suutra (II 15):
>
> vivekinaH parij~nAtakleshAdivivekasya *bhogasAdhanaM saviShaM
> svAdvannam iva duHkham eva* pratikUlavedanIyamevetyarthaH .
>
> Bhoja's Sanskrit is somewhat more "tricky" than, say,
> Vyaasa's. My attempt at a "rough" translation of
>
> bhogasAdhanaM saviShaM svAdvannam iva duHkham eva
>
> ...would be something like this (ITRANS'ish transliteation):
>
> (To a vivekin, all) experience [dunno how to translate 'saadhana'
> in 'bhoga-saadhana'] is painful like (iva) sweet food (svaadvannam <
svaadu + annam) containing poison (sa-viSam: "with-poison").
>

Are you translating Bhoga-saadhana as "experiences"? Bhoga means -
worldly, materialistic; saadhana - here would be indulgence. So just
translating it as experiences doesn't seem to do justice to this word.
All materialistic indulgences or attaching to the outer experiences, the
outer world that is in a constant flux, the maaya.

> (As an exercise, you may try to translate 'pratikuula-vedaniiyam'
> youselves:
>
> pratikUla a. adverse (lit. against the shore), contrary, opposite,
unfavourable, inauspicious, rebellious, inimical; abstr. {-tA} f. -n.
inverted order, also as adv. {-kU3lam} inversely, contrarily.
>
> vedanIya mfn. to be denoted or expressed or meant by (ifc. ; %{-tA}
f.) Sarvad. ; to be (or being) felt by or as (ifc. ; %{-tA} f. %{-tva}
n.) ib. ; to be known or to be made known W.)
>
>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba Dead?

[Ravi Yogi]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
> > >
> > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
wrote:
> > >
> > > > Good advice but he can´t.
> > > > For him, Rick, Curtis, Barry et al. it´s in their blood.
> > > > Their fear of someone actually having achieved enlightenment,
> > > > not to mention the status of an Avatar is total.
> > > >
> > > > It´s probably their biggest paranoia in life to one day wake
> > > > up to be confronted with the simple fact that they wasted
> > > > their time while others became free.
>
> >
> > I wasn't going to bother to comment because, after
> > all, it's Nabby. Who cares what someone who believes
> > that Sri Sri Con Man Sai Baba is an avatar because
> > of what Sri Sri Even Bigger Con Man Benjamin Creme
> > told him says? :-)
>
>
> Yes, con men everywhere. First trying to study the teaching of
Maharishi, then Rama. Nothing, no results, must be con men.
>
> Later, wherever he turns; anyone claiming enlightenment; con man; con
men everywhere !
>
> His own lack of talent and preserverence in gaining the fruit of
knowledge is obviously because the teacher is a con man.
>
> Who´s to blame for a miserable life wasted in front of a computer ?
> You guessed it; it´s the con men, who else?
>

This kind of behavior is nothing new, whether you call it the plain old
sour grapes or the fancy cognitive dissonance. Of course with some it
seems to cross normal behavior to pathology. No one is asking anyone to
believe in enlightenment, there are millions who don't care and happy to
spend their lives in so called normal worldly materialistic indulgences.
But for some it seems to disrupt their normal lives, they spend time
obsessing and indulging in paranoid behavior, spending most of their
time mocking, harassing and haranguing believers - what a shame.