[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality and fantasy
Not wishing to argue about what was, essentially, a subjective experience and thus important only to you, I do wish to ask a question. How did you know it was Jesus? Appearance? Or was there a big sign in the sky that spelled out JESUS, with an arrow pointing to the guy you saw? Why I'm asking is because of one of the fundamental tenets of religious sociologists. They would suggest that the possibility of someone seeing a vision of Jesus is limited to those who have heard of a guy named Jesus previously. If they hadn't, they'd interpret their vision as Thor, or Krishna, or whoever they *had* heard about previously. So I'm curious as to what makes you think that the guy you saw -- and I don't doubt that you saw some guy -- was Jesus. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: What's real vs myth depends upon one's experiences, in the broadest sense, (even including what's read in a book, since that can seem real). ... As far as real experiences go in my inventory, the appearance of Jesus in His Radiant form to me in the dream state - July 17-th, 1996 - was not only the most real, but also the most powerful and profound of my lifetime experiences. The boundary between what's real and pure fantasy may sometimes be blurred. Seeing Dumbo in a Disney movie was somewhat real to me as a child, perhaps relevant, and impactful; but in the long run and in retrospect, a fantasy akin to Santa Claus. ... OTOH, if Entities do appear to people in the dream state in some powerful way, often messages come along with the Appearance having specific meaning and relevancy to the person, and deeply influencing one's emotions (perhaps) for years to come; as well as the direction of one's evolution. ... Then, one may come across others with similar experiences, (say, of Jesus); even among those with no prior outward affinity to Him, (Cf. previous posts about the experience of Naomi Wolf's vision of Jesus and herself). ... imo the large numbers of independent reports of such visions tend to diminish the notion of Jesus as pure myth. Even if there was no real, physical Jesus (which I dispute); then I'd say His living Hologram is mighty powerful!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swarodaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: This is because akasha-bhuta predominates at those time. This obviates against action (nitya-karmas like agni-homa) but is quite good for contemplation/meditation (dhyana). Haven't you read the yogic texts on Swarodaya (svara-udaya), Thanks, Empty, for resolving the sandhi_s (that one, and many others)! :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 05/10/2011
I just finished listening to the interview. Though I think he sounds very genuine and sincere I just couldn't understand and appreciate his views on seeking. I clearly accept that there's no relationship between the spiritual path and the enlightenment and I also accept that some who are not into spiritual path can get enlightened however I just can't understand his reluctance to accept seeking when he himself had done it for 30 years and he himself had gone to the Parsons guy. I liked Rick's statement that enlightenment may be accidental but practicing spirituality makes you accident prone which is totally spot on. Sure the seeking or the effort looks so false looking back, but for most effort is necessary to realize the effortless state. The amount of effort IMO is proportional to the predispositions (vasanas) and purva-punya (effort from previous lives). Kudos to Rick for constantly trying to pin him down. But it seems Richard accepts paradoxes everywhere except when it comes to a spiritual path, he consistently chooses to indulge in intellectual jugglery to position himself as a non-duality teacher, conduct seminars and sell books - pity. He clearly sells the non-seeking path though he doesn't want to brand it that way. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: blog updates from Buddha at the Gas Pump http://gallery.mailchimp.com/e709a491029b04e745834d34d/images/star.gif published 05/10/2011 068. Richard Sylvester http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91\ d5id=c17a850e88e=aa1e3e9546 May 09, 2011 09:48 pm | Rick Richard Sylvester is a humanistic psychologist, therapist and lecturer. For thirty years he engaged with a variety of spiritual practices while also training in psychotherapeutic techniques and teaching counselling. In 2002 Richard met Tony Parsons and as he writes in his first book âThat was the end of what I thought had been my life.â ...
[FairfieldLife] Belief Without Attachment
It seems to me, especially watching a few of the debates of the last couple of weeks sail by, that the quality that is most missing in most spiritual discussions is non-attachment. Most such discussions -- *especially* when they descend to the level of debate or argument -- seem to involve either a need to defend what one currently believes, or a need to denigrate or de-legitimize those who believe something different. BOTH, to me, just scream the word attachment. Those who feel *either* the need to defend what they believe or attempt to de-legitimize those who believe something different strike me as personifying pretty much the textbook definition of attachment. This surprises me to some extent because 1) I have met spiritual seekers who display no such attachment to the things they believe, and 2) I don't personally have a heckuva lot of attachment to anything I believe. Some of the Tibetan Buddhist teachers I've been fortunate enough to meet, and even a couple (but only a couple) of Christians displayed IMO not one iota of attachment to their beliefs. I've been with them when one or other of their beliefs were revealed to be either non-truth or only partial truth, and found their reactions inspiring. They just shrugged and said, Oh well...that turned out to be yet another partial truth. No biggie. What's next? There was no trauma, no hanging on to the thing they had previously believed, no attachment whatsoever. They just accepted the new view of reality, discarded the old one, and moved on. And they moved on *knowing* to some extent that any future belief they might glom onto was likely to be as fleeting as the one they'd just discarded, and thus not something to become attached to. I consider this 'tude to be spiritual maturity. Among such people, I have noticed several corollary 'tudes. One is an almost total lack of prosyletizing or attempts to sell any particular view, or declare it better than another. Points of view are presented AS points of view, not as truth or Truth. Again, I find this an indication of spiritual maturity, and its opposite an indication of spiritual adolescence or attachment. Me, I've had my beliefs blown away by reality so many times and in so many ways that I don't think I believe in any particular point of view enough to become attached to it. Much less to try to debate it or prove its supremacy over other points of view. God, no God, schmod. Who cares? It's not as if anyone actually knows. They just believe, based on their life experience and predilection. That places all of them on an equal footing IMO. The need to defend what one believes, or attempt to denigrate or de-legitimize anyone who believes differently implies to me that the person doing it does NOT believe that everyone is on an equal footing. Clearly, those who do this feel that some people -- coincidentally the ones who believe the same things he or she does -- are, in fact, better or more knowledgeable than others. People who do this tend, in fact, to cite authority in their attempts TO defend and denigrate -- My authority is better than your authority, that sorta thing. I just don't see the point. What a waste of an incarnation. Beliefs in my opinion are like clothes. You put them on and wear them for a while, and then you take them off and wear something else. Why get attached to yesterday's outfit, or last season's style?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dark Lord
If you are not attached to your own view, why do you keep advertizing your belief in this dark entity? Are you one of his minions? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: I spent three years in an Eastern Orthodox Monastery (actually a skete). So I don't think I need to listen some more to Christian mythologizers. My understanding is certainly variant to theirs, which, however, only makes it heterodox. Unlike you, though, I'm not actually attached to my own view. My reading of the recorded events does not allow me to proffer up the usual mythopoeisis as fact. I simply accept what the story says on its face while un-varnishing the over-layers of rationalization. I do not accept the sin-guilt-redemption dialectic of that brutal daimon originally call YHVH but now offered up as Jesus and HIM crucified. I do not accept the implicit genetic assumption that all humans have a generic nature (homo-ousia) that allows that same deity/daimon (now called Jesus) to somehow erase the effects of the past in some people while asserting those actual casual effects in others. All of this, by the way, because YHVH likes and accepts some people, while disliking and punishing others. YHVH is a petty, jealous little daimon. Jesus is a mythic persona created to entrance the semi-conscious believer. The Dark Lord is the true lover of YHVH. You could not bear such love and still remain the I which you now are. He works in the Truth and in Faithfulness but also within a previously agreed opposition. Read it and weep. . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Emptybill, You need a Christian teacher to explain to you the meaning of the Bible. Otherwise, you will be lost as shown in your statements below. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: You have a view that is pre-Christian and therefore pre-dualism. That will scare the wits out of the fundies (which is still an oxymoron by definition). YHVH commands and his servants must obey or else he kills/maims/defiles. Even if they are not his he still tries to destroy them. That makes YHVH a daimon, not a deity (deus), in the ancient Greek sense of being a protector and punisher. Since daimons are real beings but immaterial, when they incite themselves to violence against men, they insert themselves into the grossest realm of karmic causality. This is so by the sheer consequences of their deeds, whether done by themselves or indirectly through the guise of human servants. When enough violent deeds reach fruition point, then Whammo, the karmic effects carry the entity down into the realm of generation. What the Christian don't want to believe is that: * YHVH was a daimon * YHVH killed many innocent people (as a murder not a warrior) * YHVH swept into human birth to experience for himself the torment he afflicted upon the innocent. * YHVH was force into rebirth as Jesus of Nazareth to suffer the same fate as his victims. His faithful servant and true lover, the so-called Dark Lord, is still waiting to rejoin him but this time with a wiser understanding. YHVH, though, has an intransient nature cultivated in quality as it is by his followers. .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: thx...looks to me like Satan is the winner in Genesis, urging the couple to partake of what [may represent], the evolutionary learning curve based on experience rather than blind acceptance of YHVH's dictates. Sounds familiar! ... In regard to Job, a possible outcome of the affair would be for Satan to sever His connections with YHVH and set up His own Heaven where everybody is welcomed. This is the message He conveyed to me when appearing to me on Aug 12, 1998. In short, this much aligned Dude is a helpful, benevolent Entity, with a new place on high...not as a domineering Lord ordering the minion Souls to blindly follow His dictates, but simply a behind-the-scenes helper; who btw happens to be a Super-Brain, eager to help all entities. IOW, he's now a Buddhist. ... Everybody can thus forget the various Biblical and midieval misconceptions: http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/incubus-zombies.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Your unconscious mythotyping is hillarious, like Sunday school tales. Here, read more closely what they were afaid to say in Sunday school: Job 1 and 2: Satan is described as one of the members of the court of heaven. God mentions that he is impressed at the behavior of Job, a blameless man who has lived an
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
The whole idea is about trying to know the meaning of human existence. With human reasoning and logic (consciousness), people can have a better basis for knowing and living. IOW, we are not biological robots mindlessly living our short lives here on earth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: From Wiki, Cosmological Argument: However as to whether inductive or deductive reasoning is more valuable still remains a matter of debate, with the general conclusion being that neither is prominent. Even this seems to miss the point IMO. Who CARES which theory of debate is more prominent? Only those who feel that they have something to prove in a debate and whose egos are all identified with the idea they wish to prove. Even though causality applies to the known world, it does not necessarily apply to the universe at large. In other words, it is unwise to draw conclusions from an extrapolation of causality beyond experience. Unwise, schmise. It's just a waste of time. Unless you get off on wastes of time, and then it might be fun for you. :-) What could not have been more *obvious* from the start of this whole kerfluffle was its INTENT. It was like JohnR erected a big neon sign over his original post saying, Listen up, unbelievers. I'm going to prove that God exists. So there. :-) That's a True Believer pastime, and IMO an ego- bound pastime. As Curtis pointed out, the argument proposed as some kind of proof is really nothing more than a set of beliefs, declared as truths. Nothing wrong with beliefs, per se...everybody's got some, just like everybody's got an asshole. It's just that I think that some like to *hide* the fact that what they're spouting is nothing but beliefs, and pretend that they're spouting logic. That's what I think this whole argument is about, and always has been about. Seems kinda cowardly to me...why not just cut right to the INTENT and say, I believe that God exists and created the universe. That's at least honest, and it doesn't attempt to preach or convert. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip *My* point was that at least one of the detailed supportive arguments for the syllogism starts with the same example John used about procreation, but it doesn't just jump to the universal; it involves a complicated logical/mathematical discussion of infinities (too complex for me to reproduce). You didn't know at that point that he wasn't going to go in that direction, which is most certainly not simply fallacious inductive reasoning. The post I responded to used fallacious inductive reasoning, I can't imagine how you are missing that. *He didn't get that far*. You *guessed* that he was going to use fallacious inductive reasoning, He used it in the post. He tried to support a universal assertion with a specific example of procreation as if the inductive logic proved his point. and you were ultimately correct, but at that point it was only a guess, not anything he had said up to that point. I was correct in that post as a stand alone. Ultimately I could have been wrong. I was inviting him to prove me wrong by responding. I could have been wrong later on when he fleshed out the argument but in that post that is what it was, pure and simple. This may be one of those moments we get to where we just shake our head and say Wow I don't understand this person. Inductive reasoning goes from specific to general. He used it. I noticed it. You should notice it now that I am drawing your attention to it. If you don't OK. lets move on. At this I should let it go. But of course I will not. I was not responding to some articles you read elsewhere. Of course you weren't. Totally irrelevant to my point. Yeah I was getting a little bitchy. I can't imagine why you think it is a difficult thing for a philosophy major to spot an obvious case of inductive reasoning. Lets map it out from the original post: John: The first premise should be read as follows: 1. Whatever begins to exist has a CAUSE. Let us know if you agree with this. Barry It sounds to me as if it's something that a determinist might think up. I have no idea whether it's true or not, and neither do you. John: Let us talk about the first premise. Don't you agree that you were born through your mother who
[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief Without Attachment
So just you Barry, alone, can determine by the way someone defends an idea, how attached they are to that idea, and therefore the degree of bondage they are in wrt Maya? How very deluded of you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: It seems to me, especially watching a few of the debates of the last couple of weeks sail by, that the quality that is most missing in most spiritual discussions is non-attachment. Most such discussions -- *especially* when they descend to the level of debate or argument -- seem to involve either a need to defend what one currently believes, or a need to denigrate or de-legitimize those who believe something different. BOTH, to me, just scream the word attachment. Those who feel *either* the need to defend what they believe or attempt to de-legitimize those who believe something different strike me as personifying pretty much the textbook definition of attachment. This surprises me to some extent because 1) I have met spiritual seekers who display no such attachment to the things they believe, and 2) I don't personally have a heckuva lot of attachment to anything I believe. Some of the Tibetan Buddhist teachers I've been fortunate enough to meet, and even a couple (but only a couple) of Christians displayed IMO not one iota of attachment to their beliefs. I've been with them when one or other of their beliefs were revealed to be either non-truth or only partial truth, and found their reactions inspiring. They just shrugged and said, Oh well...that turned out to be yet another partial truth. No biggie. What's next? There was no trauma, no hanging on to the thing they had previously believed, no attachment whatsoever. They just accepted the new view of reality, discarded the old one, and moved on. And they moved on *knowing* to some extent that any future belief they might glom onto was likely to be as fleeting as the one they'd just discarded, and thus not something to become attached to. I consider this 'tude to be spiritual maturity. Among such people, I have noticed several corollary 'tudes. One is an almost total lack of prosyletizing or attempts to sell any particular view, or declare it better than another. Points of view are presented AS points of view, not as truth or Truth. Again, I find this an indication of spiritual maturity, and its opposite an indication of spiritual adolescence or attachment. Me, I've had my beliefs blown away by reality so many times and in so many ways that I don't think I believe in any particular point of view enough to become attached to it. Much less to try to debate it or prove its supremacy over other points of view. God, no God, schmod. Who cares? It's not as if anyone actually knows. They just believe, based on their life experience and predilection. That places all of them on an equal footing IMO. The need to defend what one believes, or attempt to denigrate or de-legitimize anyone who believes differently implies to me that the person doing it does NOT believe that everyone is on an equal footing. Clearly, those who do this feel that some people -- coincidentally the ones who believe the same things he or she does -- are, in fact, better or more knowledgeable than others. People who do this tend, in fact, to cite authority in their attempts TO defend and denigrate -- My authority is better than your authority, that sorta thing. I just don't see the point. What a waste of an incarnation. Beliefs in my opinion are like clothes. You put them on and wear them for a while, and then you take them off and wear something else. Why get attached to yesterday's outfit, or last season's style?
[FairfieldLife] Subject Becomes Object
Ken Wilber talks about pure consciousness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ_HsQkBkJAfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Mr. Socrates and Portugal's bankruptcy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fPsEse46lcfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
OK, one last attempt to see whether there is any there there in JohnR to converse with: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: The whole idea is about trying to know the meaning of human existence. What leads you to believe that humans can know the meaning of human existence? Be specific. Even if it were possible, what leads you to believe that knowing the meaning of human existence is the whole idea OF existence? With human reasoning and logic (consciousness), people can have a better basis for knowing and living. As several have pointed out in recent discussions, this is nothing but a statement of belief. Please explain why you believe this, and why you feel it is of value TO believe it. IOW, we are not biological robots mindlessly living our short lives here on earth. What would be bad about being biological robots mind- lessly living our short lives here on earth? If you think such a state IS bad, what makes you think that you're not one of them? It seems to me that to declare one's beliefs as if they were universal truths (as you did above) is about as mindless as it gets. Can you explain to me why repeating something you've heard or read in a book somewhere is not robotic and mindless? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: From Wiki, Cosmological Argument: However as to whether inductive or deductive reasoning is more valuable still remains a matter of debate, with the general conclusion being that neither is prominent. Even this seems to miss the point IMO. Who CARES which theory of debate is more prominent? Only those who feel that they have something to prove in a debate and whose egos are all identified with the idea they wish to prove. Even though causality applies to the known world, it does not necessarily apply to the universe at large. In other words, it is unwise to draw conclusions from an extrapolation of causality beyond experience. Unwise, schmise. It's just a waste of time. Unless you get off on wastes of time, and then it might be fun for you. :-) What could not have been more *obvious* from the start of this whole kerfluffle was its INTENT. It was like JohnR erected a big neon sign over his original post saying, Listen up, unbelievers. I'm going to prove that God exists. So there. :-) That's a True Believer pastime, and IMO an ego- bound pastime. As Curtis pointed out, the argument proposed as some kind of proof is really nothing more than a set of beliefs, declared as truths. Nothing wrong with beliefs, per se...everybody's got some, just like everybody's got an asshole. It's just that I think that some like to *hide* the fact that what they're spouting is nothing but beliefs, and pretend that they're spouting logic. That's what I think this whole argument is about, and always has been about. Seems kinda cowardly to me...why not just cut right to the INTENT and say, I believe that God exists and created the universe. That's at least honest, and it doesn't attempt to preach or convert. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip *My* point was that at least one of the detailed supportive arguments for the syllogism starts with the same example John used about procreation, but it doesn't just jump to the universal; it involves a complicated logical/mathematical discussion of infinities (too complex for me to reproduce). You didn't know at that point that he wasn't going to go in that direction, which is most certainly not simply fallacious inductive reasoning. The post I responded to used fallacious inductive reasoning, I can't imagine how you are missing that. *He didn't get that far*. You *guessed* that he was going to use fallacious inductive reasoning, He used it in the post. He tried to support a universal assertion with a specific example of procreation as if the inductive logic proved his point. and you were ultimately correct, but at that point it was only a guess, not anything he had said up to that point. I was correct in that post as a stand alone. Ultimately I could have been wrong. I was inviting him to prove me wrong by responding. I could have been wrong later on when he fleshed out the argument but in that post that is what it was, pure and simple. This may be one of those moments we get to where we just shake our head and say Wow
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just could be
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@... wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just could be
[FairfieldLife] Toni Emerson: How to Pick Up the Pieces When Our Mentors Fail Us
Nice article by a good friend of mine: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/toni-emerson/how-to-pick-up-the-pieces_b_85347 0.html?ref=email_share
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bin Laden Hoax
It's important to question the government's claim that Navy Seals killed bin Laden and disposed of him at sea. I can pick around the edges of the details in an attempt to prove the government lied about it, but if I look at the big picture, it becomes clear why the government has good reason to lie about bin Laden. Our government is in bed with global corporatists in a fight for the last drops of oil on the planet and control of natural resources. The military industrial complex will happily supply weapons to further American empire and we will surely pay for it with our pension funds and social safety net. Our jobs are gone and the collapse of the housing market along with the rising cost of living has decimated the middle class. High food prices in Egypt helped spark protests. I believe Egypt is a bellwether for our country. Poverty breeds social unrest. The government has used the threat of terrorism and the boogey man bin Laden to undermine our civil liberties, IMO to prepare for the inevitable social unrest they expect from an impoverished nation. Michigan has become a fascist state where corporations can choose to control local governments. Such control gives them the power to privatize of the commons, which could include the Great Lakes. Other states with corporately owned governors also aspire to have power over local governments. To do so they will use tactics Naomi Klein wrote about in Shock Doctrine. Their strategy is to bankrupt the state with tax breaks for the rich then pay for it by slashing the budgets for the poor and selling off the commons to their corporate owners. Every governmental intrusion into our lives is an attack on our freedom. Every security threat is now a reason to give up more of our civil liberties. We have become conditioned cowards, believing and doing whatever the government tells us for the sake of security. We take our shoes off at the airport because of the shoe bomber. We allow the TSA to grope us because of the underwear bomber. Even as I type this, thanks to the Patriot Act the government has the ability to know exactly what I'm saying and will soon control to whom I can say it. Now that the government has bin Laden's treasure trove of potential security threats, Homeland Security is just itching to tryout its new elevated or imminent threat alerts on your cell phone. Reminiscent of the thought police monitoring Winston Smith's telescreen, very soon your cell phone service will not be able to opt out of receiving Presidential Threat alerts. Within days of bin Laden's death, Chuck Schumer has Amtrak on board for a watch list to increase train security. What's next? Are we destined to have RFD chips in our brains so the government knows if we are marching dutifully to the internment camps or if we are planning an escape? Or will questioning and challenging the government to tell the truth and fighting for our civil liberties save us from becoming a police state. I'm sorry for what my country has become.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 05/10/2011
On May 11, 2011, at 3:30 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: I liked Rick's statement that enlightenment may be accidental but practicing spirituality makes you accident prone which is totally spot on. The statement actually came from Baker Roshi. Oops! Another accident.
[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube does Movies
Hi Sal Do not let them spoil you. You probably know that sunbathing was his fav sport according to his biography he was asunshine addict [;)] . Unfortunately found out now ( exc. the free Charade) I cannot see most of the other at mount meru. But it makes me happy you may have some sentimental time over the rainbow with the great C.G. Here a little search result done esp. for the Sal Sunshine(do not forget to send him some sunshine smile and tear drops from danda at meru) .. [:((] enjoy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On May 10, 2011, at 11:56 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: YouTube just launched their movie service which lots of movies to watch including some released the same day on DVD. Not sure if it is US only or not and if titles are also available in HD: http://www.youtube.com/movies I just tried the early version of Hitchcock's Charade and it worked fine here in Europe. It's been called the best movie Hitchcock never made, but in fact it was Stanley Donen. Nice, especially for classic film nerds. Gawd, Cary Grant was charming. Must have been all the LSD. :-) I don't care what it was~~he's still the sexiest man ever to make movies IMO. Fell in love with him after seeing this and nothing's changed much. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Concentration Causes Suffering?
Japa Leads to Depression http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNJhhzViRqEfeature=related --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Nityananda echoes MMY's words. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLNVM84ZrwUfeature=feedrec_grec_index
[FairfieldLife] Winston Smith's 1984 has come home to roost
The announcement that Americans are set to be bombarded with mandatory government propaganda via their cellphones represents a shocking lurch forward in the Obama administration's bid to launch a total takeover of all communications as part of a wider move towards controlling the Internet, developing an omnipresent wiretap system, and creating a constant environment of suspicion and distrust by enlisting citizens to spy on each other. Read More: http://www.prisonplanet.com/what-else-will-the-governments-special-chip-in-your-cellphone-do.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 05/10/2011
On May 11, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Vaj wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 3:30 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: I liked Rick's statement that enlightenment may be accidental but practicing spirituality makes you accident prone which is totally spot on. The statement actually came from Baker Roshi. Oops! Another accident. Who was quoting Suzuki Roshi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
turquoiseb: That's a True Believer pastime, and IMO an ego- bound pastime. As Curtis pointed out, the argument proposed as some kind of proof is really nothing more than a set of beliefs, declared as truths... So, TB, this is your true set of beliefs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 05/10/2011
Ravi Yogi: Sure the seeking or the effort looks so false looking back, but for most effort is necessary to realize the effortless state... His point was that the transcending should be effortless; it's not something to seek. Nirvana is not an object of cognition. In most cases, striving for something that is effortless turns out to be a stumbling block and you remain on the conscious thinking level. In Soto Zen, all striving is to be abandoned - there is no goal. You must pass through the gateless gate. When you pass through you will find no path and no gate, according to Mumonkon. Suzuki says that 'just sitting' IS enlightenment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bin Laden Hoax
raunchydog: Our government is in bed with global corporatists in a fight for the last drops of oil on the planet and control of natural resources... So, I hope we win the fight, otherwise you and I are really screwed!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality and fantasy
This morning, prior to waking, I had a dream. I was motoring a BMW, and a fruit bat with blue-green fur was flying overhead, and it eventually landed on the bonnet of the car; and then the dream drifted into something about reading a catalogue discussing laundry detergent. What does this experience tell me about the nature of reality? Everything, as long as we are alive, is experience. Perhaps how we categorise and assign significance to these discrete events in our lives is a measure of how crazy we are. I do not recall the source, but I read somewhere that in a study of near death experiences, there was no crossover of religious imagery, that is Hindus experienced imagery from their tradition, Christians from theirs. It always seems as if dreams, and other experiences are always connected with some past experiences we have had, something we were familiar with previously. The mind fabricates on the basis of what it is already familiar with, with new combinations. A long time ago, I did own a BMW; the one in the dream was the same color, and I saw a BMW behind me on the road the other day. I was looking at pictures of fruit bats a friend had sent to me some six months ago or so. Someone in my household was planning to do laundry yesterday. In dreaming, the mind, or brain, however you want to interpret the mechanism, does some rather fantastical imagery, and sometimes it is very vivid, but does it give us the answers to questions like 'is anything real?' When we are awake (not sleeping), things seem 'more real,' but the mind still fabricates all sorts of ideas about what we are experiencing. Experience is always there if we are conscious, that is as close to fact as one can get. But what we think about experience? When we are lost in our interpretation of what we experience, that is the dream. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Not wishing to argue about what was, essentially, a subjective experience and thus important only to you, I do wish to ask a question. How did you know it was Jesus? Appearance? Or was there a big sign in the sky that spelled out JESUS, with an arrow pointing to the guy you saw? Why I'm asking is because of one of the fundamental tenets of religious sociologists. They would suggest that the possibility of someone seeing a vision of Jesus is limited to those who have heard of a guy named Jesus previously. If they hadn't, they'd interpret their vision as Thor, or Krishna, or whoever they *had* heard about previously. So I'm curious as to what makes you think that the guy you saw -- and I don't doubt that you saw some guy -- was Jesus. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: What's real vs myth depends upon one's experiences, in the broadest sense, (even including what's read in a book, since that can seem real). ... As far as real experiences go in my inventory, the appearance of Jesus in His Radiant form to me in the dream state - July 17-th, 1996 - was not only the most real, but also the most powerful and profound of my lifetime experiences. The boundary between what's real and pure fantasy may sometimes be blurred. Seeing Dumbo in a Disney movie was somewhat real to me as a child, perhaps relevant, and impactful; but in the long run and in retrospect, a fantasy akin to Santa Claus. ... OTOH, if Entities do appear to people in the dream state in some powerful way, often messages come along with the Appearance having specific meaning and relevancy to the person, and deeply influencing one's emotions (perhaps) for years to come; as well as the direction of one's evolution. ... Then, one may come across others with similar experiences, (say, of Jesus); even among those with no prior outward affinity to Him, (Cf. previous posts about the experience of Naomi Wolf's vision of Jesus and herself). ... imo the large numbers of independent reports of such visions tend to diminish the notion of Jesus as pure myth. Even if there was no real, physical Jesus (which I dispute); then I'd say His living Hologram is mighty powerful!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality and fantasy
My point exactly. Thanks for your input. My intent was not to diminish in any way Yifu's dream experience, only to point out that from one POV his interpretation of the figure he met in the dream as Jesus may have been as influenced by his life experience as your dream experience may have been by once having owned a BMW. As for your past experience with either blue-green fruit bats or laundry detergents, let alone the two of them combined, I'm not going to speculate. Too much information. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: This morning, prior to waking, I had a dream. I was motoring a BMW, and a fruit bat with blue-green fur was flying overhead, and it eventually landed on the bonnet of the car; and then the dream drifted into something about reading a catalogue discussing laundry detergent. What does this experience tell me about the nature of reality? Everything, as long as we are alive, is experience. Perhaps how we categorise and assign significance to these discrete events in our lives is a measure of how crazy we are. I do not recall the source, but I read somewhere that in a study of near death experiences, there was no crossover of religious imagery, that is Hindus experienced imagery from their tradition, Christians from theirs. It always seems as if dreams, and other experiences are always connected with some past experiences we have had, something we were familiar with previously. The mind fabricates on the basis of what it is already familiar with, with new combinations. A long time ago, I did own a BMW; the one in the dream was the same color, and I saw a BMW behind me on the road the other day. I was looking at pictures of fruit bats a friend had sent to me some six months ago or so. Someone in my household was planning to do laundry yesterday. In dreaming, the mind, or brain, however you want to interpret the mechanism, does some rather fantastical imagery, and sometimes it is very vivid, but does it give us the answers to questions like 'is anything real?' When we are awake (not sleeping), things seem 'more real,' but the mind still fabricates all sorts of ideas about what we are experiencing. Experience is always there if we are conscious, that is as close to fact as one can get. But what we think about experience? When we are lost in our interpretation of what we experience, that is the dream. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Not wishing to argue about what was, essentially, a subjective experience and thus important only to you, I do wish to ask a question. How did you know it was Jesus? Appearance? Or was there a big sign in the sky that spelled out JESUS, with an arrow pointing to the guy you saw? Why I'm asking is because of one of the fundamental tenets of religious sociologists. They would suggest that the possibility of someone seeing a vision of Jesus is limited to those who have heard of a guy named Jesus previously. If they hadn't, they'd interpret their vision as Thor, or Krishna, or whoever they *had* heard about previously. So I'm curious as to what makes you think that the guy you saw -- and I don't doubt that you saw some guy -- was Jesus. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: What's real vs myth depends upon one's experiences, in the broadest sense, (even including what's read in a book, since that can seem real). ... As far as real experiences go in my inventory, the appearance of Jesus in His Radiant form to me in the dream state - July 17-th, 1996 - was not only the most real, but also the most powerful and profound of my lifetime experiences. The boundary between what's real and pure fantasy may sometimes be blurred. Seeing Dumbo in a Disney movie was somewhat real to me as a child, perhaps relevant, and impactful; but in the long run and in retrospect, a fantasy akin to Santa Claus. ... OTOH, if Entities do appear to people in the dream state in some powerful way, often messages come along with the Appearance having specific meaning and relevancy to the person, and deeply influencing one's emotions (perhaps) for years to come; as well as the direction of one's evolution. ... Then, one may come across others with similar experiences, (say, of Jesus); even among those with no prior outward affinity to Him, (Cf. previous posts about the experience of Naomi Wolf's vision of Jesus and herself). ... imo the large numbers of independent reports of such visions tend to diminish the notion of Jesus as pure myth. Even if there was no real, physical Jesus (which I dispute); then I'd say His living Hologram is mighty powerful!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bin Laden Hoax
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: It's important to question the government's claim that Navy Seals killed bin Laden and disposed of him at sea. I can pick around the edges of the details in an attempt to prove the government lied about it, but if I look at the big picture, it becomes clear why the government has good reason to lie about bin Laden. I've been ignoring Raunchy's mean-spirited, ignorant, Still harboring a grudge against the guy who proved that Hillary Clinton wasn't Presidential material rants about the Bin Laden thing so far, and not giving them any more attention than I'd give any other bag lady ranting on the street. But I've finally found a suitable reply, so here it is: http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html Darth Vader said Obi-Wan Kenobi had been killed in a firefight during a targeted operation that Lord Vader ordered near Alderaan. He was later dumped out an airlock.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 05/10/2011
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:26 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 05/10/2011 On May 11, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Vaj wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 3:30 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: I liked Rick's statement that enlightenment may be accidental but practicing spirituality makes you accident prone which is totally spot on. The statement actually came from Baker Roshi. Oops! Another accident. Who was quoting Suzuki Roshi. I quoted it as a Zen saying, but I didn't know who said it. Now I do. Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@... wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just could be Nice, thanks for posting this ! * * http://www.google.no/imgres?imgurl=http://depesjer.no/var/plain/storage\ /images/media/nyhetsrelatert/personer/yogi_maharishi_mahesh/73761-1-nor-\ NO/yogi_maharishi_mahesh_articleimage.jpgimgrefurl=http://depesjer.no/n\ yheter/meninger/samfunn/frykten_for_det_ukjente__1usg=__aa9OWcuxgn1vmK2\ Q8hzMNjsYm1g=h=200w=280sz=12hl=nostart=1sig2=MwLU0u5DXL7DKEXTMppte\ wzoom=1tbnid=JWWcKBkmFoW37M:tbnh=81tbnw=114ei=rqzKTYeJCsaAswaNzLTNA\ wprev=/search%3Fq%3Dmaharishi%26tbnh%3D137%26tbnw%3D177%26hl%3Dno%26sa%\ 3DX%26rlz%3D1T4ADFA_noNO425%26biw%3D1659%26bih%3D754%26tbs%3Dsimg:CAISEg\ klZZwoGSYWhSEdvUvHQyX-IQ%26tbm%3Dischitbs=1 280 × 200 280 × 200
[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief Without Attachment
Good grief, Barry, CHANGE THE RECORD. Or if you can't say anything new, at least take a stab at addressing some of the self-contradictions and inconsistencies in the stock rants you repeat so relentlessly. Maybe attempting to resolve the conflicts will enable you to come up with something you haven't said before. For example: --Here you are decrying attachment, but your endless reiteration of the same tired old criticisms of others and boasts about your own purported freedom from the behaviors you criticize is a blatant demonstration of *your* attachment to those criticisms and boasts, to your views of how people should behave and think and to your image of yourself as the exemplar of those views. --You criticize what you perceive as proselytizing, yet you yourself are constantly proselytizing for your own views, the *same* views, over and over and OVER again. --One of your other stock rants is against what you call hierarchical thinking, the idea that *this* behavior or approach to spirituality is better than *that* one. Yet in this present rant and many others, you characterize people who behave the way you think they should as spiritually mature and those who don't as spiritual adolescents. How is that not an example of the very hierarchical thinking you claim to deplore? --You say beliefs are like clothes...Why get attached to yesterday's outfit, or last season's style? But there's been no indication in your posts that *you* change *your* beliefs. Same old, same old, ever since I first encountered you on alt.m.t. These should get you started. Try examining *yourself* for a change instead of always putting others under the microscope. Not only would that be more interesting to the rest of us than your incessant and monotonous complaints about what you see, you might find it enhances your own spiritual growth to explore some new territory. That's 50 and out for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: It seems to me, especially watching a few of the debates of the last couple of weeks sail by, that the quality that is most missing in most spiritual discussions is non-attachment. Most such discussions -- *especially* when they descend to the level of debate or argument -- seem to involve either a need to defend what one currently believes, or a need to denigrate or de-legitimize those who believe something different. BOTH, to me, just scream the word attachment. Those who feel *either* the need to defend what they believe or attempt to de-legitimize those who believe something different strike me as personifying pretty much the textbook definition of attachment. This surprises me to some extent because 1) I have met spiritual seekers who display no such attachment to the things they believe, and 2) I don't personally have a heckuva lot of attachment to anything I believe. Some of the Tibetan Buddhist teachers I've been fortunate enough to meet, and even a couple (but only a couple) of Christians displayed IMO not one iota of attachment to their beliefs. I've been with them when one or other of their beliefs were revealed to be either non-truth or only partial truth, and found their reactions inspiring. They just shrugged and said, Oh well...that turned out to be yet another partial truth. No biggie. What's next? There was no trauma, no hanging on to the thing they had previously believed, no attachment whatsoever. They just accepted the new view of reality, discarded the old one, and moved on. And they moved on *knowing* to some extent that any future belief they might glom onto was likely to be as fleeting as the one they'd just discarded, and thus not something to become attached to. I consider this 'tude to be spiritual maturity. Among such people, I have noticed several corollary 'tudes. One is an almost total lack of prosyletizing or attempts to sell any particular view, or declare it better than another. Points of view are presented AS points of view, not as truth or Truth. Again, I find this an indication of spiritual maturity, and its opposite an indication of spiritual adolescence or attachment. Me, I've had my beliefs blown away by reality so many times and in so many ways that I don't think I believe in any particular point of view enough to become attached to it. Much less to try to debate it or prove its supremacy over other points of view. God, no God, schmod. Who cares? It's not as if anyone actually knows. They just believe, based on their life experience and predilection. That places all of them on an equal footing IMO. The need to defend what one believes, or attempt to denigrate or de-legitimize anyone who believes differently implies to me that the person doing it does NOT believe that everyone is on an equal footing. Clearly, those who do this feel that some people -- coincidentally the ones who believe the same things he or she does -- are, in fact, better
[FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday Gullible Fool
Today's our co-moderator GF's birthday. Gave a good one!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality and fantasy
thx, all excellent points!...which is why I said the boundary between fantasy and reality is sometimes blurred; but ultimately over time, the real part becomes even more actualized and validated as the message accompanying the vision works it's way through the very fabric of one's being, spilling eventually into the environment in constructive ways. ... Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Daumer could likewise have had various visionary experiences, with the influences working their way into their respective psyches making them what they were. ... The difference relates to multiple intersections between the subjective world and the global world, analogous to such intersections we experience daily, and over long periods of time; leading us to believe we are sane while others may be criminally psychotic. Everybody needs those validations, many of which can be found on this forum (and non-validations amounting to detours on the evolutionary learning curve) ... And then we have ordinary people, TB'ers; not sociopaths or psychotic, but very much in the normal curve. Some of those people refuse to alter their beliefs even while boldly confronted with overwhelming evidence to the contrary. ... How do I know the Person was Jesus? (from the foregoing analysis); ultimately through the TEST of subjective integration coupled with socio-environmental fusion, along with constructive enhancements in my Spiritual evolution. Then you probably want to know about influences for others.. (to be continued on that). ... In short, by the fruits, ye shall know them (i.e. anybody or anything who may appear to people in semi-miraculous ways); whether it be Santa Claus, fairies, trolls, Jim Jones, or Jesus. Of course, Jim Jones told people who he was: some type of Savior. The test of time and the fruits proved his true identity; and that guy from Waco, etc. ... If I have you the outward signs of the identity given to me in terms of (a) an outright message, and (b) the appearance of the Person and the background behind him, (c) content of the message along with the (d) overall incredible power; this would be to no avail since you would simply say something like: (how do you know this and this and this...). You're not getting the point. ... In such powerful visionary experiences, the gap between what we ordinary think of as the truth vanishes totally; with the truth unsustained ultimately by any enumeration of outer signs; but rather a direct knowingness emerging from the depths of one's Soul and bypassing ordinary interpretations. ... If a group of people saw a UFO and most conclused it was an alien spaceship, skeptics whould demand an enumeration of various properties supporting the claimthis and this and this, etc. ... This is only natural. This being the internet and a particular forum distinct somewhat from strict demands of scientific inquiry, I simply submit an account of the experience with little of such intermediary description; since as I said: in such powerful subjectivity, the truth was conveyed to me from an inner level not dependent solely upon the usual analysis of outer events. ... But to answer your question directly, merely in terms of those outer evidences, the Person before me 10 ft away was radiating brilliant Light, was dressed in garb consistent with people in that area Galilee, looked like the entity I might have conceived of as being Jesus but with shorter hair in the back, appeared with a background of the Sea of Galilee;, then started His message by saying I am the Man from Galilee... ... But then of course you will say, but wait, there are many Men from Galilee etc;. ... Then, there's the TB ...Tr --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: My point exactly. Thanks for your input. My intent was not to diminish in any way Yifu's dream experience, only to point out that from one POV his interpretation of the figure he met in the dream as Jesus may have been as influenced by his life experience as your dream experience may have been by once having owned a BMW. As for your past experience with either blue-green fruit bats or laundry detergents, let alone the two of them combined, I'm not going to speculate. Too much information. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: This morning, prior to waking, I had a dream. I was motoring a BMW, and a fruit bat with blue-green fur was flying overhead, and it eventually landed on the bonnet of the car; and then the dream drifted into something about reading a catalogue discussing laundry detergent. What does this experience tell me about the nature of reality? Everything, as long as we are alive, is experience. Perhaps how we categorise and assign significance to these discrete events in our lives is a measure of how crazy we are. I do not recall the source, but I read somewhere that in a study of near death
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Gullible Fool
Happy Birthday GF and have a good day and year. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Today's our co-moderator GF's birthday. Gave a good one!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality and fantasy
Cool. Thanks for going into some detail. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: thx, all excellent points!...which is why I said the boundary between fantasy and reality is sometimes blurred; but ultimately over time, the real part becomes even more actualized and validated as the message accompanying the vision works it's way through the very fabric of one's being, spilling eventually into the environment in constructive ways. ... Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Daumer could likewise have had various visionary experiences, with the influences working their way into their respective psyches making them what they were. ... The difference relates to multiple intersections between the subjective world and the global world, analogous to such intersections we experience daily, and over long periods of time; leading us to believe we are sane while others may be criminally psychotic. Everybody needs those validations, many of which can be found on this forum (and non-validations amounting to detours on the evolutionary learning curve) ... And then we have ordinary people, TB'ers; not sociopaths or psychotic, but very much in the normal curve. Some of those people refuse to alter their beliefs even while boldly confronted with overwhelming evidence to the contrary. ... How do I know the Person was Jesus? (from the foregoing analysis); ultimately through the TEST of subjective integration coupled with socio-environmental fusion, along with constructive enhancements in my Spiritual evolution. Then you probably want to know about influences for others.. (to be continued on that). ... In short, by the fruits, ye shall know them (i.e. anybody or anything who may appear to people in semi-miraculous ways); whether it be Santa Claus, fairies, trolls, Jim Jones, or Jesus. Of course, Jim Jones told people who he was: some type of Savior. The test of time and the fruits proved his true identity; and that guy from Waco, etc. ... If I have you the outward signs of the identity given to me in terms of (a) an outright message, and (b) the appearance of the Person and the background behind him, (c) content of the message along with the (d) overall incredible power; this would be to no avail since you would simply say something like: (how do you know this and this and this...). You're not getting the point. ... In such powerful visionary experiences, the gap between what we ordinary think of as the truth vanishes totally; with the truth unsustained ultimately by any enumeration of outer signs; but rather a direct knowingness emerging from the depths of one's Soul and bypassing ordinary interpretations. ... If a group of people saw a UFO and most conclused it was an alien spaceship, skeptics whould demand an enumeration of various properties supporting the claimthis and this and this, etc. ... This is only natural. This being the internet and a particular forum distinct somewhat from strict demands of scientific inquiry, I simply submit an account of the experience with little of such intermediary description; since as I said: in such powerful subjectivity, the truth was conveyed to me from an inner level not dependent solely upon the usual analysis of outer events. ... But to answer your question directly, merely in terms of those outer evidences, the Person before me 10 ft away was radiating brilliant Light, was dressed in garb consistent with people in that area Galilee, looked like the entity I might have conceived of as being Jesus but with shorter hair in the back, appeared with a background of the Sea of Galilee;, then started His message by saying I am the Man from Galilee... ... But then of course you will say, but wait, there are many Men from Galilee etc;. ... Then, there's the TB ...Tr --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: My point exactly. Thanks for your input. My intent was not to diminish in any way Yifu's dream experience, only to point out that from one POV his interpretation of the figure he met in the dream as Jesus may have been as influenced by his life experience as your dream experience may have been by once having owned a BMW. As for your past experience with either blue-green fruit bats or laundry detergents, let alone the two of them combined, I'm not going to speculate. Too much information. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: This morning, prior to waking, I had a dream. I was motoring a BMW, and a fruit bat with blue-green fur was flying overhead, and it eventually landed on the bonnet of the car; and then the dream drifted into something about reading a catalogue discussing laundry detergent. What does this experience tell me about the nature of reality? Everything, as long as we are alive, is experience. Perhaps how we
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dark Lord
Since I'm no servile dainty, I'm not anyone's minion, much less the Dark Lord. Besides, I have the pleasure of knowing MahaBharavi Ekajati, She is scarier to the dualists but a sweet mother to me. BTW, I have advertised nothing. Go back and re-read the beginning of the thread. I praised the Dark Lord's rasa and his true bhakti. I pointed out, after listening to your Sunday school parroting, that his devotion to YHVH is paramount among all beings. Remember the blessed rain? Of course, it doesn't last long because soon come whole armies of avenging angels, hacking and eviscerating all those Hell beings to demonstrate God's righteous wrath. Then, glory of glories, all the Hell beings are reborn in the same place to do it again. The only escape? Join the opponents of God to oppose Him and His will. After all, the chief opponent of God is still the greatest angel and still his greatest lover. How else to get the beloved's attention better than being opposed to Him? Afraid you'll be grabbed and punished by avenging angels if you even think the story might be different? You obviously cannot get past your Sunday school version of theology. Your universe of binary valence is swinging from the end of a rope, not even hanging on a cross. Why don't you allow yourself to look deeper than the surface of such shallow piety? The Dark Lord has a combination of Shringara and Raudra rasa-s. It is magnificent and beautiful, especially in the orphic sense. .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: If you are not attached to your own view, why do you keep advertizing your belief in this dark entity? Are you one of his minions? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: I spent three years in an Eastern Orthodox Monastery (actually a skete). So I don't think I need to listen some more to Christian mythologizers. My understanding is certainly variant to theirs, which, however, only makes it heterodox. Unlike you, though, I'm not actually attached to my own view. My reading of the recorded events does not allow me to proffer up the usual mythopoeisis as fact. I simply accept what the story says on its face while un-varnishing the over-layers of rationalization. I do not accept the sin-guilt-redemption dialectic of that brutal daimon originally call YHVH but now offered up as Jesus and HIM crucified. I do not accept the implicit genetic assumption that all humans have a generic nature (homo-ousia) that allows that same deity/daimon (now called Jesus) to somehow erase the effects of the past in some people while asserting those actual casual effects in others. All of this, by the way, because YHVH likes and accepts some people, while disliking and punishing others. YHVH is a petty, jealous little daimon. Jesus is a mythic persona created to entrance the semi-conscious believer. The Dark Lord is the true lover of YHVH. You could not bear such love and still remain the I which you now are. He works in the Truth and in Faithfulness but also within a previously agreed opposition. Read it and weep. . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Emptybill, You need a Christian teacher to explain to you the meaning of the Bible. Otherwise, you will be lost as shown in your statements below. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: You have a view that is pre-Christian and therefore pre-dualism. That will scare the wits out of the fundies (which is still an oxymoron by definition). YHVH commands and his servants must obey or else he kills/maims/defiles. Even if they are not his he still tries to destroy them. That makes YHVH a daimon, not a deity (deus), in the ancient Greek sense of being a protector and punisher. Since daimons are real beings but immaterial, when they incite themselves to violence against men, they insert themselves into the grossest realm of karmic causality. This is so by the sheer consequences of their deeds, whether done by themselves or indirectly through the guise of human servants. When enough violent deeds reach fruition point, then Whammo, the karmic effects carry the entity down into the realm of generation. What the Christian don't want to believe is that: * YHVH was a daimon * YHVH killed many innocent people (as a murder not a warrior) * YHVH swept into human birth to experience for himself the torment he afflicted upon the innocent. * YHVH was force into rebirth as Jesus of Nazareth to suffer the same fate as his victims. His faithful servant and true lover, the so-called Dark Lord, is still waiting to rejoin him but this time with a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun. Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun Shine on you crazy diamond. Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky. Shine on you crazy diamond. You were caught on the crossfire of childhood and stardom, blown on the steel breeze. Come on you target for faraway laughter, come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine! Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon. Shine on you crazy diamond. Threatened by shadows at night, and exposed in the light. Shine on you crazy diamond. Well you wore out your welcome with random precision, rode on the steel breeze. Come on you raver, you seer of visions, come on you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and shine! Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun 1960 2010 -Shine on you crazy diamond. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just could be Nice, thanks for posting this ! * * http://www.google.no/imgres?imgurl=http://depesjer.no/var/plain/storage\ \ /images/media/nyhetsrelatert/personer/yogi_maharishi_mahesh/73761-1-nor-\ \ NO/yogi_maharishi_mahesh_articleimage.jpgimgrefurl=http://depesjer.no/n\ \ yheter/meninger/samfunn/frykten_for_det_ukjente__1usg=__aa9OWcuxgn1vmK2\ \ Q8hzMNjsYm1g=h=200w=280sz=12hl=nostart=1sig2=MwLU0u5DXL7DKEXTMppte\ \ wzoom=1tbnid=JWWcKBkmFoW37M:tbnh=81tbnw=114ei=rqzKTYeJCsaAswaNzLTNA\ \ wprev=/search%3Fq%3Dmaharishi%26tbnh%3D137%26tbnw%3D177%26hl%3Dno%26sa%\ \ 3DX%26rlz%3D1T4ADFA_noNO425%26biw%3D1659%26bih%3D754%26tbs%3Dsimg:CAISEg\ \ klZZwoGSYWhSEdvUvHQyX-IQ%26tbm%3Dischitbs=1 280 × 200 280 × 200
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. In other words, since you are asking a question that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope that that answers your question. And if it doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple of my German friends escort you to the door. It is all good, yes? Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just be And if I just keep droning on and on like this, hopefully nobody will notice (or at least mention) that I sound like a Indian Chatty Cathy that won't shut up. Because you see, when I get a question that doesn't fit into one of the answers I already have prepared, that is all I'm computed to do. Next!
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
Interesting lyrics. I had to look this up to discover its a Pink Floyd song. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of merudanda Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:19 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun. Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun Shine on you crazy diamond. Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky. Shine on you crazy diamond. You were caught on the crossfire of childhood and stardom, blown on the steel breeze. Come on you target for faraway laughter, come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine! Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon. Shine on you crazy diamond. Threatened by shadows at night, and exposed in the light. Shine on you crazy diamond. Well you wore out your welcome with random precision, rode on the steel breeze. Come on you raver, you seer of visions, come on you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and shine! Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun 1960 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_LccB5G2ry5Y/TcrO_7Uw63I/A0E/ZT7e zUBxzyk/s576/mmy%20norway%201960.jpg 2010 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_LccB5G2ry5Y/TcrPHbBh78I/A0I/WSNP OIZY-h0/s576/norway%202010.jpg -Shine on you crazy diamond. http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/40.gif -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just could be Nice, thanks for posting this ! * * http://www.google.no/imgres?imgurl=http://depesjer.no/var/plain/storage\ http://www.google.no/imgres?imgurl=http://depesjer.no/var/plain/storage\%0b /images/media/nyhetsrelatert/personer/yogi_maharishi_mahesh/73761-1-nor-\ NO/yogi_maharishi_mahesh_articleimage.jpgimgrefurl=http://depesjer.no/n\ yheter/meninger/samfunn/frykten_for_det_ukjente__1usg=__aa9OWcuxgn1vmK2\ Q8hzMNjsYm1g=h=200w=280sz=12hl=nostart=1sig2=MwLU0u5DXL7DKEXTMppte\ wzoom=1tbnid=JWWcKBkmFoW37M:tbnh=81tbnw=114ei=rqzKTYeJCsaAswaNzLTNA\ wprev=/search%3Fq%3Dmaharishi%26tbnh%3D137%26tbnw%3D177%26hl%3Dno%26sa%\ 3DX%26rlz%3D1T4ADFA_noNO425%26biw%3D1659%26bih%3D754%26tbs%3Dsimg:CAISEg\ klZZwoGSYWhSEdvUvHQyX-IQ%26tbm%3Dischitbs=1
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube does Movies
Thanks, meru~~excellent! One can never have to much CG in their day. Another little fun fact~~he hoped his stage name sounded enough like Gary Cooper that people might get confused and be more likely to see his movies. On May 11, 2011, at 7:42 AM, merudanda wrote: Hi Sal Do not let them spoil you. You probably know that sunbathing was his fav sport and according to his biography he was asunshine addict. Unfortunately found out now( exc. the free Charade) I cannot see most of the other at mount meru. But it makes me happy you may have some sentimental time over the rainbow with the great C.G. Here a little search result done esp. for the Sal Sunshine(do not forget to send him some sunshine smile and tear drops from danda at meru) .. enjoy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On May 10, 2011, at 11:56 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: YouTube just launched their movie service which lots of movies to watch including some released the same day on DVD. Not sure if it is US only or not and if titles are also available in HD: http://www.youtube.com/movies I just tried the early version of Hitchcock's Charade and it worked fine here in Europe. It's been called the best movie Hitchcock never made, but in fact it was Stanley Donen. Nice, especially for classic film nerds. Gawd, Cary Grant was charming. Must have been all the LSD. :-) I don't care what it was~~he's still the sexiest man ever to make movies IMO. Fell in love with him after seeing this and nothing's changed much. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Gullible Fool
happy happy birtday Keep on shining We're gonna shoot out the lights Keep on shining We're gonna burn down the night Life on the line, holding on tight One by one don't you know Somewhere in time, like a ghost in the night Take down the sun-- here we go happy happy birtday and thank you for your help in the past keep going, keep on shining your advise is always needed in the future --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Today's our co-moderator GF's birthday. Gave a good one!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube does Movies
On 05/10/2011 11:41 AM, Bhairitu wrote: On 05/10/2011 10:15 AM, PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: YouTube just launched their movie service which lots of movies to watch including some released the same day on DVD. Not sure if it is US only or not and if titles are also available in HD: http://www.youtube.com/movies Yep, I can get that in the UK. Maybe I'll by the dongle now for my Samsung TV that supports YouTube. The YouTube app would probably need an update. I have YouTube on my Samsung BD player and it still just streams the lowest 240p resolution. So that app would need an update but when Netflix updated their app last fall Samsung broke it and it took months for them to get it fixed. Needless to say I'm not impressed with Samsung engineering. OTOH, the Vimeo streams HD beautifully. There was no update to the YouTube app on the BD player and I tried a search but it didn't bring up the movies. So there will need to an update but I won't hold my breathe. OTOH, I tried one of the free offerings, a Spanish horror movie and da kids don't know aspect ratios as everyone was skinnier than the should be on driving oval shaped tires. The film was obviously shot in scope and the presentation was in 16:9. Since I started to watch it on Firefox on Linux, download helper was active and downloaded the movie for me. I ran it through a remux to change the aspect ratio flag from 16:9 to 21:9 and then it looked right. They're going to get a lot of heat from film buffs unless their encoding folks know the differences in Original Aspect Ratio.
[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube does Movies
Oh yeah- I remember that was a good one (with his self ironic sparkle light in his eyes) with this I will rest my body (it's almost 3 in the morning) now being sure my mind will be occupied with sweet memories of oh so silly time I and we were young --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: Thanks, meru~~excellent! One can never have to much CG in their day. Another little fun fact~~he hoped his stage name sounded enough like Gary Cooper that people might get confused and be more likely to see his movies. On May 11, 2011, at 7:42 AM, merudanda wrote: Hi Sal Do not let them spoil you. You probably know that sunbathing was his fav sport and according to his biography he was asunshine addict. Unfortunately found out now( exc. the free Charade) I cannot see most of the other at mount meru. But it makes me happy you may have some sentimental time over the rainbow with the great C.G. Here a little search result done esp. for the Sal Sunshine(do not forget to send him some sunshine smile and tear drops from danda at meru) .. enjoy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 10, 2011, at 11:56 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: YouTube just launched their movie service which lots of movies to watch including some released the same day on DVD. Not sure if it is US only or not and if titles are also available in HD: http://www.youtube.com/movies I just tried the early version of Hitchcock's Charade and it worked fine here in Europe. It's been called the best movie Hitchcock never made, but in fact it was Stanley Donen. Nice, especially for classic film nerds. Gawd, Cary Grant was charming. Must have been all the LSD. :-) I don't care what it was~~he's still the sexiest man ever to make movies IMO. Fell in love with him after seeing this and nothing's changed much. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 05/10/2011
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: Ravi Yogi: Sure the seeking or the effort looks so false looking back, but for most effort is necessary to realize the effortless state... His point was that the transcending should be effortless; it's not something to seek. Nirvana is not an object of cognition. In most cases, striving for something that is effortless turns out to be a stumbling block and you remain on the conscious thinking level. In Soto Zen, all striving is to be abandoned - there is no goal. You must pass through the gateless gate. When you pass through you will find no path and no gate, according to Mumonkon. Suzuki says that 'just sitting' IS enlightenment. Richard - No issues with that, however with my experience I can say that not striving, doing nothing still requires lot of effort.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bin Laden Hoax
Problem is the US government has cried wolf so many times that we no longer believe them. In fact if you stand back the whole thing seems fabricated so they could implement more police state rule in this country and THAT I am definitely opposed to. On 05/10/2011 05:52 PM, seventhray1 wrote: It certainly doesn't bother me for people to believe whatever they want to believe about bin Laden or any other matter. But I imagine that you could take any incident in life, and come up with some inconsistency, or theory that it is not as it seems. And of course nothing is ever proved. There is always some probability that an outcome is due to factors other than what appears to be the cause. But in general we don't live our lives that way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
Barry, 1. OK, one last attempt to see whether there is any there there in JohnR to converse with: As I recall, you weren't there when you bailed out of the KCA discussion. 2. The whole idea is about trying to know the meaning of human existence. What leads you to believe that humans can know the meaning of human existence? Be specific. The KCA is a method to know the meaning of human existence in relationship with the universe. A. Even if it were possible, what leads you to believe that knowing the meaning of human existence is the whole idea OF existence? It is certainly one of the reasons, not necessarily the only reason. 3. With human reasoning and logic (consciousness), people can have a better basis for knowing and living. As several have pointed out in recent discussions, this is nothing but a statement of belief. Please explain why you believe this, and why you feel it is of value TO believe it. These are the prerequisites for analyzing the premises of the KCA. 4. IOW, we are not biological robots mindlessly living our short lives here on earth. What would be bad about being biological robots mind- lessly living our short lives here on earth? I don't believe you would like to be called a biological robot. A. If you think such a state IS bad, what makes you think that you're not one of them? To answer this question, I would like to quote Descartes: I think. Therefore, I am. B. It seems to me that to declare one's beliefs as if they were universal truths (as you did above) is about as mindless as it gets. There's nothing wrong in having beliefs just as long the person does not interfere with others from having their own beliefs. C. Can you explain to me why repeating something you've heard or read in a book somewhere is not robotic and mindless? I don't think there's anything wrong with learning from others. It would be mindless if the person is not learning from someone either in person or from other types of information media. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: From Wiki, Cosmological Argument: However as to whether inductive or deductive reasoning is more valuable still remains a matter of debate, with the general conclusion being that neither is prominent. Even this seems to miss the point IMO. Who CARES which theory of debate is more prominent? Only those who feel that they have something to prove in a debate and whose egos are all identified with the idea they wish to prove. Even though causality applies to the known world, it does not necessarily apply to the universe at large. In other words, it is unwise to draw conclusions from an extrapolation of causality beyond experience. Unwise, schmise. It's just a waste of time. Unless you get off on wastes of time, and then it might be fun for you. :-) What could not have been more *obvious* from the start of this whole kerfluffle was its INTENT. It was like JohnR erected a big neon sign over his original post saying, Listen up, unbelievers. I'm going to prove that God exists. So there. :-) That's a True Believer pastime, and IMO an ego- bound pastime. As Curtis pointed out, the argument proposed as some kind of proof is really nothing more than a set of beliefs, declared as truths. Nothing wrong with beliefs, per se...everybody's got some, just like everybody's got an asshole. It's just that I think that some like to *hide* the fact that what they're spouting is nothing but beliefs, and pretend that they're spouting logic. That's what I think this whole argument is about, and always has been about. Seems kinda cowardly to me...why not just cut right to the INTENT and say, I believe that God exists and created the universe. That's at least honest, and it doesn't attempt to preach or convert. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip *My* point was that at least one of the detailed supportive arguments for the syllogism starts with the same example John used about procreation, but it doesn't just jump to the universal; it involves a complicated logical/mathematical discussion of infinities (too complex for me to reproduce). You didn't know at that point that he wasn't going to go in that direction, which is most certainly not simply fallacious inductive reasoning. The post I responded to used fallacious inductive
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dark Lord
If you think you're not a minion now, just think what the entity will do to you when you reach his dominion. IOW, you're going the wrong path pal. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Since I'm no servile dainty, I'm not anyone's minion, much less the Dark Lord. Besides, I have the pleasure of knowing MahaBharavi Ekajati, She is scarier to the dualists but a sweet mother to me. BTW, I have advertised nothing. Go back and re-read the beginning of the thread. I praised the Dark Lord's rasa and his true bhakti. I pointed out, after listening to your Sunday school parroting, that his devotion to YHVH is paramount among all beings. Remember the blessed rain? Of course, it doesn't last long because soon come whole armies of avenging angels, hacking and eviscerating all those Hell beings to demonstrate God's righteous wrath. Then, glory of glories, all the Hell beings are reborn in the same place to do it again. The only escape? Join the opponents of God to oppose Him and His will. After all, the chief opponent of God is still the greatest angel and still his greatest lover. How else to get the beloved's attention better than being opposed to Him? Afraid you'll be grabbed and punished by avenging angels if you even think the story might be different? You obviously cannot get past your Sunday school version of theology. Your universe of binary valence is swinging from the end of a rope, not even hanging on a cross. Why don't you allow yourself to look deeper than the surface of such shallow piety? The Dark Lord has a combination of Shringara and Raudra rasa-s. It is magnificent and beautiful, especially in the orphic sense. .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: If you are not attached to your own view, why do you keep advertizing your belief in this dark entity? Are you one of his minions? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: I spent three years in an Eastern Orthodox Monastery (actually a skete). So I don't think I need to listen some more to Christian mythologizers. My understanding is certainly variant to theirs, which, however, only makes it heterodox. Unlike you, though, I'm not actually attached to my own view. My reading of the recorded events does not allow me to proffer up the usual mythopoeisis as fact. I simply accept what the story says on its face while un-varnishing the over-layers of rationalization. I do not accept the sin-guilt-redemption dialectic of that brutal daimon originally call YHVH but now offered up as Jesus and HIM crucified. I do not accept the implicit genetic assumption that all humans have a generic nature (homo-ousia) that allows that same deity/daimon (now called Jesus) to somehow erase the effects of the past in some people while asserting those actual casual effects in others. All of this, by the way, because YHVH likes and accepts some people, while disliking and punishing others. YHVH is a petty, jealous little daimon. Jesus is a mythic persona created to entrance the semi-conscious believer. The Dark Lord is the true lover of YHVH. You could not bear such love and still remain the I which you now are. He works in the Truth and in Faithfulness but also within a previously agreed opposition. Read it and weep. . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Emptybill, You need a Christian teacher to explain to you the meaning of the Bible. Otherwise, you will be lost as shown in your statements below. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: You have a view that is pre-Christian and therefore pre-dualism. That will scare the wits out of the fundies (which is still an oxymoron by definition). YHVH commands and his servants must obey or else he kills/maims/defiles. Even if they are not his he still tries to destroy them. That makes YHVH a daimon, not a deity (deus), in the ancient Greek sense of being a protector and punisher. Since daimons are real beings but immaterial, when they incite themselves to violence against men, they insert themselves into the grossest realm of karmic causality. This is so by the sheer consequences of their deeds, whether done by themselves or indirectly through the guise of human servants. When enough violent deeds reach fruition point, then Whammo, the karmic effects carry the entity down into the realm of generation. What the Christian don't want to believe is that: * YHVH was a daimon * YHVH killed many innocent people (as a murder
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 05/10/2011
Sure the seeking or the effort looks so false looking back, but for most effort is necessary to realize the effortless state... His point was that the transcending should be effortless; it's not something to seek. Nirvana is not an object of cognition. In most cases, striving for something that is effortless turns out to be a stumbling block and you remain on the conscious thinking level. In Soto Zen, all striving is to be abandoned - there is no goal. You must pass through the gateless gate. When you pass through you will find no path and no gate, according to Mumonkon. Suzuki says that 'just sitting' IS enlightenment. Ravi Yogi: Richard - No issues with that, however with my experience I can say that not striving, doing nothing still requires lot of effort. Don't just do something, sit there. Checkpoint of Wumen: The Great Way is gateless, approached by a thousand paths. Pass trough this barrier, you walk freely in the universe. http://tinyurl.com/3b9fmn7
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bin Laden Hoax
It's important to question the government's claim that Navy Seals killed bin Laden and disposed of him at sea. I can pick around the edges of the details in an attempt to prove the government lied about it, but if I look at the big picture, it becomes clear why the government has good reason to lie about bin Laden. turquoiseb: I've been ignoring Raunchy's mean-spirited, ignorant, Still harboring a grudge against the guy who proved that Hillary Clinton wasn't Presidential material So, you've got a mean-spirited, ignorant, grudge against Raunchy for proving that Hillary was presidential material? rants about the Bin Laden thing so far, and not giving them any more attention than I'd give any other bag lady ranting on the street. But I've finally found a suitable reply, so here it is: http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html Darth Vader said Obi-Wan Kenobi had been killed in a firefight during a targeted operation that Lord Vader ordered near Alderaan. He was later dumped out an airlock.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! You need to sit lazily to get to the place where expectations turn into no-expectations. Works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. In other words, since you are asking a question that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope that that answers your question. And if it doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple of my German friends escort you to the door. It is all good, yes? Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just be And if I just keep droning on and on like this, hopefully nobody will notice (or at least mention) that I sound like a Indian Chatty Cathy that won't shut up. Because you see, when I get a question that doesn't fit into one of the answers I already have prepared, that is all I'm computed to do. Next!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
I'm sure it does. Unfortunately I have this thing called a brain which usually allows me to filter the BS from the useful stuff. YMMV. On May 11, 2011, at 3:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! You need to sit lazily to get to the place where expectations turn into no-expectations. Works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. In other words, since you are asking a question that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope that that answers your question. And if it doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple of my German friends escort you to the door. It is all good, yes? Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just be And if I just keep droning on and on like this, hopefully nobody will notice (or at least mention) that I sound like a Indian Chatty Cathy that won't shut up. Because you see, when I get a question that doesn't fit into one of the answers I already have prepared, that is all I'm computed to do. Next!
[FairfieldLife] Obama approval at 60%, majority say he deserves re-election
hard for Americans and that I see his leadership as something that should be continued, says independent voter Allison Kaplan, 25, in Austin, Texas, who voted for him in 2008. She praises the administration for handling bin Laden's raid well the way that it happened was the correct way and it reinforced her support of the president. Nearly two-thirds of Americans who call themselves political independents now approve of him; only about half did in March. They were critical to his 2008 victory but many had fled as his administration increased government spending and passed a sweeping health care overhaul. They could just as easily turn away again between now and next fall. Bryan Noonan, 23, of Hampstead, N.H., is one of those independents. He backed Obama in 2008 and is likely to vote for the president again, given the other options. I haven't been real impressed by the Republicans, he says. He doesn't hold Obama accountable for the sluggish economy or rising gas prices, issues Noonan says seem out of his hands. It's not like there's a magic solution. Noonan likes Obama's foreign policies and applauds the killing of bin Laden, saying: I was pretty much relieved, happy to hear that we got him. The president absolutely deserves credit. Among the poll's other findings: Sixty-nine percent say Obama will keep America safe, up from 61 percent in March; 65 percent call him a strong leader, up from 57 percent. Sixty-three percent say Obama cares about people like them; 63 percent also say that he understands the problems of ordinary Americans. Sixty-three percent view Obama favorably, up from 59 percent in March. Still, his re-election is far from certain. And there are warning signs in the poll. _Nearly two-thirds of people 61 percent disapprove of his handling on gas prices, even though there's little a president can do about them. _Less than half give him positive marks on dealing with the federal budget deficit or taxes, two big upcoming issues. The Associated Press-GfK Poll was conducted May 5-9 by GfK Roper Public Affairs and Corporate Communications. It involved landline and cellphone interviews with 1,001 adults nationwide and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.2 percentage points. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110511/ap_on_re_us/us_ap_poll_obama_boost http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110511/ap_on_re_us/us_ap_poll_obama_boost
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
curtisdeltablues: Sorry Richard, you brought this up before. I haven't picked up the habit of hard returns as I type because it looks fine to me on the Web. Is this formatting better? I'll give it a try and appreciate your reading anything I write here. But for the effort of creating a new typing habit I would like to see you weight in using your own philosophy knowledge. You may be catching something I am missing and I would enjoy reading it. Or you could just read it on the Web like I do, it looks fine there. But let me know if this formats properly. It requires that I hit return instead of word wrap. Lets see if this works. Excellent formatting. Thanks. In 1936, Johnson was approached by Don Law, a producer who worked for the American Record Company. Law was eager to record the blues-man, offering to pay him between $10 and $15 for each song. The first sessions occurred later that year, at the Gunter Hotel in San Antonio, TX... http://crossroads.stormloader.com/#texas http://crossroads.stormloader.com/#texas I went to the crossroad Fell down on my knees I went to the crossroad Fell down on my knees Asked the Lord above Have mercy now, Save poor Bob, if you please Crossroad Blues - Robert Johnson http://youtu.be/YdwVVI4B3oY http://youtu.be/YdwVVI4B3oY http://youtu.be/ejPi8D8LFnI http://youtu.be/ejPi8D8LFnI http://youtu.be/3hwnb8AB2kc http://youtu.be/3hwnb8AB2kc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama approval at 60%, majority say he deserves re-election
do.rflex: Still, his re-election is far from certain. And there are warning signs in the poll... Can you spell 'amnesty'? The DREAM Act, which fosters dreams of amnesty, will encourage more unlawful entry, just as it did in 1986 the last time we tried amnesty. The president also neglected to mention the cost of these legalization measures. Does he really think taxpayers are eager to shell out tens of billions of dollars to legalize 11 million illegal aliens? National Review: http://tinyurl.com/3pjujh9
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama approval at 60%, majority say he deserves re-election
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: do.rflex: Still, his re-election is far from certain. And there are warning signs in the poll... Can you spell 'amnesty'? You mean like Ronald Reagan gave to millions of illegal immigrants?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dark Lord
You are wrapped up like a mummy in Christian mythology. The problem is that you take these myths for actuality. Unfortunately, based upon your inability to recognize what I communicated, you are drowning in the ocean of Christian fundamentalism. So how do you reconcile salvation through Jesus alone of the New Testament, with mantra meditation, yajña and puja? You must also refuse to consider the implications of Vedic/Puranic stories, some which are myths, while some are remembrances. You also failed to explain how a single man's death, even mythologized, could extinguish the effects of someone else's moral/immoral actions. I must presume you are simply at a total loss and must flail around to look like you have some cogent thoughts to give out. This is typical of Sunday school Christianity. Unlike you, I remember coming into this body from the pre-birth dimension of experience. I also remember much of my previous karmic lifetime. Just these memories alone invalidate your Sunday school version of Christian reality. Even if you remember nothing of a past life, or better yet deny it all, my direct, immediate recollections of prior realities shows me you spout only fables. Read it and weep. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: If you think you're not a minion now, just think what the entity will do to you when you reach his dominion. IOW, you're going the wrong path pal. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Since I'm no servile dainty, I'm not anyone's minion, much less the Dark Lord. Besides, I have the pleasure of knowing MahaBharavi Ekajati, She is scarier to the dualists but a sweet mother to me. BTW, I have advertised nothing. Go back and re-read the beginning of the thread. I praised the Dark Lord's rasa and his true bhakti. I pointed out, after listening to your Sunday school parroting, that his devotion to YHVH is paramount among all beings. Remember the blessed rain? Of course, it doesn't last long because soon come whole armies of avenging angels, hacking and eviscerating all those Hell beings to demonstrate God's righteous wrath. Then, glory of glories, all the Hell beings are reborn in the same place to do it again. The only escape? Join the opponents of God to oppose Him and His will. After all, the chief opponent of God is still the greatest angel and still his greatest lover. How else to get the beloved's attention better than being opposed to Him? Afraid you'll be grabbed and punished by avenging angels if you even think the story might be different? You obviously cannot get past your Sunday school version of theology. Your universe of binary valence is swinging from the end of a rope, not even hanging on a cross. Why don't you allow yourself to look deeper than the surface of such shallow piety? The Dark Lord has a combination of Shringara and Raudra rasa-s. It is magnificent and beautiful, especially in the orphic sense. .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: If you are not attached to your own view, why do you keep advertizing your belief in this dark entity? Are you one of his minions? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: I spent three years in an Eastern Orthodox Monastery (actually a skete). So I don't think I need to listen some more to Christian mythologizers. My understanding is certainly variant to theirs, which, however, only makes it heterodox. Unlike you, though, I'm not actually attached to my own view. My reading of the recorded events does not allow me to proffer up the usual mythopoeisis as fact. I simply accept what the story says on its face while un-varnishing the over-layers of rationalization. I do not accept the sin-guilt-redemption dialectic of that brutal daimon originally call YHVH but now offered up as Jesus and HIM crucified. I do not accept the implicit genetic assumption that all humans have a generic nature (homo-ousia) that allows that same deity/daimon (now called Jesus) to somehow erase the effects of the past in some people while asserting those actual casual effects in others. All of this, by the way, because YHVH likes and accepts some people, while disliking and punishing others. YHVH is a petty, jealous little daimon. Jesus is a mythic persona created to entrance the semi-conscious believer. The Dark Lord is the true lover of YHVH. You could not bear such love and still remain the I which you now are. He works in the Truth and in Faithfulness but also within a previously agreed opposition. Read it and weep. . --- In
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bin Laden Hoax
I don't know what it is with you and the bag ladies dude... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: It's important to question the government's claim that Navy Seals killed bin Laden and disposed of him at sea. I can pick around the edges of the details in an attempt to prove the government lied about it, but if I look at the big picture, it becomes clear why the government has good reason to lie about bin Laden. I've been ignoring Raunchy's mean-spirited, ignorant, Still harboring a grudge against the guy who proved that Hillary Clinton wasn't Presidential material rants about the Bin Laden thing so far, and not giving them any more attention than I'd give any other bag lady ranting on the street. But I've finally found a suitable reply, so here it is: http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html Darth Vader said Obi-Wan Kenobi had been killed in a firefight during a targeted operation that Lord Vader ordered near Alderaan. He was later dumped out an airlock.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
On May 11, 2011, at 4:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! Could you share a copy of the checking notes? The lazy epithet is such a perfect one for TMers, it would be a shame to not preserve it in an authentic way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 05/10/2011
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: Sure the seeking or the effort looks so false looking back, but for most effort is necessary to realize the effortless state... His point was that the transcending should be effortless; it's not something to seek. Nirvana is not an object of cognition. In most cases, striving for something that is effortless turns out to be a stumbling block and you remain on the conscious thinking level. In Soto Zen, all striving is to be abandoned - there is no goal. You must pass through the gateless gate. When you pass through you will find no path and no gate, according to Mumonkon. Suzuki says that 'just sitting' IS enlightenment. Ravi Yogi: Richard - No issues with that, however with my experience I can say that not striving, doing nothing still requires lot of effort. Don't just do something, sit there. Checkpoint of Wumen: The Great Way is gateless, approached by a thousand paths. Pass trough this barrier, you walk freely in the universe. http://tinyurl.com/3b9fmn7 I'm lost - what are you saying? Just sitting is one of the great practices of Zen - so you do agree on the effortful practice to reach effortlessness?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
So you think the technique sit lazily is BS? What is this useful stuff you refer to? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: I'm sure it does. Unfortunately I have this thing called a brain which usually allows me to filter the BS from the useful stuff. YMMV. On May 11, 2011, at 3:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! You need to sit lazily to get to the place where expectations turn into no-expectations. Works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. In other words, since you are asking a question that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope that that answers your question. And if it doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple of my German friends escort you to the door. It is all good, yes? Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just be And if I just keep droning on and on like this, hopefully nobody will notice (or at least mention) that I sound like a Indian Chatty Cathy that won't shut up. Because you see, when I get a question that doesn't fit into one of the answers I already have prepared, that is all I'm computed to do. Next!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Barry, 1. OK, one last attempt to see whether there is any there there in JohnR to converse with: As I recall, you weren't there when you bailed out of the KCA discussion. YOU bailed from the discussion, declaring that you wouldn't reply to me until I fulfilled some fantasy condition of yours. I said great, and goodbye, and you continued to reply anyway. Not just a religious fanatic, but a lying religious fanatic. :-) 2. The whole idea is about trying to know the meaning of human existence. What leads you to believe that humans can know the meaning of human existence? Be specific. The KCA is a method to know the meaning of human existence in relationship with the universe. More beliefs, paraded out as truth. You really don't understand the way you think, do you? No there there. Buh-bye.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
2000 people sitting lazily in the domes are out to save the world. Its perfect! How could it not work! I proud to be one of the not-very-intellectual-dome-dudes who are doing something radical and against all tenets of Western thought: taking it easy and letting go. Letting go (even of our exalted intellects!) is one of the most rebellious things we can do. And if we can do it lazily, well, all the better! We're a bunch of lazy rebels! The proof however is in the results, which, like I said, it works for me. The alternative to that would be to try hard, take yourself seriously and be really attached to your blow-hard intellect which would only result in becoming a disappointed sarcastic pessimist (which, if you haven't noticed, there seem to be too many of). The Norway 1963 checking notes are in a box in my basement. I will dig them out some day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 4:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! Could you share a copy of the checking notes? The lazy epithet is such a perfect one for TMers, it would be a shame to not preserve it in an authentic way.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Canal Street, New Orleans
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: 1903 http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/40444.jpg By the grace of God and any luck at all, the entire city will become one big canal. Can you believe it? I had to drive through the top of the state a while ago. It's no longer the swamp and malaria state or the bijou state. Now it's the Wetlands State.Yeah. Sure. And I grep up in the Garden State. Just a couple hundred mile stop and go at every light every 100 feet drive along Route 9 is proof it's the Garden State. Sure.
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[FairfieldLife] Priest
with Paul Bettany. I hope it's better than Legion...another of his recent movies. http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3900488448/tt0822847
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
On May 11, 2011, at 8:45 PM, giveabighand wrote: 2000 people sitting lazily in the domes are out to save the world. Its perfect! How could it not work! Good question. The only way it would not work is if, somehow, the dogma of effortlessness had spread thru the sangha and became an institutionalized, mood-making drama.
[FairfieldLife] FairFieldLifecycle
Vaj says: TM is BS! Barry says: Everyone else is BS! Everyone else says: You're full of BS! Again: Vaj says:...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
On May 11, 2011, at 8:45 PM, giveabighand wrote: The Norway 1963 checking notes are in a box in my basement. I will dig them out some day. Well you should scan away and release them to Wikileaks. Include any detached, relevant historical info as a separate txt file.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
God Vaj, you being the Buddhist should know the sitting lazily metaphor. How you can convert this to calling TM'ers lazy and indulging in a mood making feat is just beyond me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 4:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! Could you share a copy of the checking notes? The lazy epithet is such a perfect one for TMers, it would be a shame to not preserve it in an authentic way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
I would be really curious to know what BS your brain has been able to filter out here? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: I'm sure it does. Unfortunately I have this thing called a brain which usually allows me to filter the BS from the useful stuff. YMMV. On May 11, 2011, at 3:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! You need to sit lazily to get to the place where expectations turn into no-expectations. Works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. In other words, since you are asking a question that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope that that answers your question. And if it doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple of my German friends escort you to the door. It is all good, yes? Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just be And if I just keep droning on and on like this, hopefully nobody will notice (or at least mention) that I sound like a Indian Chatty Cathy that won't shut up. Because you see, when I get a question that doesn't fit into one of the answers I already have prepared, that is all I'm computed to do. Next!
[FairfieldLife] Re: FairFieldLifecycle
Here's a weekly round-up Monday Vaj says: TM is BS! Barry says: Everyone else is BS! Everyone else says: You're full of BS! Tuesday Vaj says: TM is BS! Barry says: Everyone else is BS! Everyone else says: You're full of BS! Wednesday Vaj says: TM is BS! Barry says: Everyone else is BS! Everyone else says: You're full of BS! Thursday Vaj says: TM is BS! Barry says: Everyone else is BS! Everyone else says: You're full of BS! Friday Vaj says: TM is BS! Barry says: Everyone else is BS! Everyone else says: You're full of BS! Saturday Vaj says: TM is BS! Barry says: Everyone else is BS! Everyone else says: You're full of BS! Sunday Vaj says: TM is BS! Barry says: Everyone else is BS! Everyone else says: You're full of BS! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Vaj says: TM is BS! Barry says: Everyone else is BS! Everyone else says: You're full of BS! Again: Vaj says:...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
The only problem with me is saving the world part. The biggest troublemakers have been people who are trying to save the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, giveabighand no_reply@... wrote: 2000 people sitting lazily in the domes are out to save the world. Its perfect! How could it not work! I proud to be one of the not-very-intellectual-dome-dudes who are doing something radical and against all tenets of Western thought: taking it easy and letting go. Letting go (even of our exalted intellects!) is one of the most rebellious things we can do. And if we can do it lazily, well, all the better! We're a bunch of lazy rebels! The proof however is in the results, which, like I said, it works for me. The alternative to that would be to try hard, take yourself seriously and be really attached to your blow-hard intellect which would only result in becoming a disappointed sarcastic pessimist (which, if you haven't noticed, there seem to be too many of). The Norway 1963 checking notes are in a box in my basement. I will dig them out some day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 4:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! Could you share a copy of the checking notes? The lazy epithet is such a perfect one for TMers, it would be a shame to not preserve it in an authentic way.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
On May 11, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: God Vaj, you being the Buddhist should know the sitting lazily metaphor. How you can convert this to calling TM'ers lazy and indulging in a mood making feat is just beyond me. Have you seen the many photos and the occasional videos of the experts in TM in Vedic City nodding off? How about the Domer sleepers? Willytex has kept a photo of some college-aged dome-kid snoozin' in a Lazy Boy for ages. Where yo' been? I gotta tell ya kiddo, they ain't noddin' off 'coz daze in some samadhi. Daze uh fallin' asleep. Lazy is the perfect word. That's why giveabighand could share much with posterity, if he is willing to simply share. -- giveabighand, come to think of it, you should digitize and then torrent-stream ASAP, at least until you find out if Wikileaks will take your contribution to humanity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 05/10/2011
Once upon a time, Willy sat with Suzuki Roshi's Soto Zen practitioners. They said: Don't think, just sit; this is Zen, this is enlightenment. Like the Japanese Teacher, Dogen, they called it Just Sitting (Jap. Shikan taza). The original practice in China was actually called Silent Illumination (Chi. Mao Zhao) and is much more than just sitting. Their motto: One moment of sitting One inch of Buddha A better motto: One moment of shitting One stench of Buddha -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Suzuki says that 'just sitting' IS enlightenment. I'm lost - what are you saying? Just sitting is one of the great practices of Zen - so you do agree on the effortful practice to reach effortlessness?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
Rav, I have heard the usual tag-lines for TM~~ TM is the best!! Sitting on your butt in the Domes for hours on end will bring whirled peas!! Laziness is healthy!! Up is down!! Black is white!! and so on~~ for so long with zero evidence to support any of the grandiose claims, that I would hard put to filter out what *isn't* BS at this point. Wouldn't you? Oh, yeah, you don't do TM now or you never have, can't remember which. Anyway, as I've said before, I see no credible evidence that TM is anything more than a simple technique for mild relaxation, period. Any other claims get immediately filtered out by ye olde bullshit-o-meter. Let's not forget, the jokers who push this stuff can't even lower the crime rates at MUM and FF~~amongst meditators. Fraud? Check. Murder? Check. White-collar crime by the boatload~~double check. On May 11, 2011, at 9:06 PM, raviyogi2009 wrote: I would be really curious to know what BS your brain has been able to filter out here? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: I'm sure it does. Unfortunately I have this thing called a brain which usually allows me to filter the BS from the useful stuff. YMMV. On May 11, 2011, at 3:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! You need to sit lazily to get to the place where expectations turn into no-expectations. Works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. In other words, since you are asking a question that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope that that answers your question. And if it doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple of my German friends escort you to the door. It is all good, yes? Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being cleared every time and any time you just be And if I just keep droning on and on like this, hopefully nobody will notice (or at least mention) that I sound like a Indian Chatty Cathy that won't shut up. Because you see,
[FairfieldLife] Hanging of a horse thief
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[FairfieldLife] Some lazy TM meditators after butt-bouncing
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, giveabighand no_reply@... wrote: The alternative to that would be to try hard, take yourself seriously and be really attached to your blow-hard intellect which would only result in becoming a disappointed sarcastic pessimist but you can call me Vaj for short
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 8:45 PM, giveabighand wrote: The Norway 1963 checking notes are in a box in my basement. I will dig them out some day. Well you should scan away and release them to Wikileaks. Include any detached, relevant historical info as a separate txt file. says Vaj salivating
[FairfieldLife] Re: FairFieldLifecycle
LOL- Perfect Ravi! Call and Response, some kind of tribal mantra going on here on FFL. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Here's a weekly round-up Monday Vaj says: TM is BS! Barry says: Everyone else is BS! Everyone else says: You're full of BS! Tuesday Vaj says: TM is BS! Barry says: Everyone else is BS! Everyone else says: You're full of BS! Wednesday Vaj says: TM is BS! Barry says: Everyone else is BS! Everyone else says: You're full of BS! Thursday Vaj says: TM is BS! Barry says: Everyone else is BS! Everyone else says: You're full of BS! Friday Vaj says: TM is BS! Barry says: Everyone else is BS! Everyone else says: You're full of BS! Saturday Vaj says: TM is BS! Barry says: Everyone else is BS! Everyone else says: You're full of BS! Sunday Vaj says: TM is BS! Barry says: Everyone else is BS! Everyone else says: You're full of BS! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Vaj says: TM is BS! Barry says: Everyone else is BS! Everyone else says: You're full of BS! Again: Vaj says:...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/3/29058.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: Rav, I have heard the usual tag-lines for TM~~ TM is the best!! Sitting on your butt in the Domes for hours on end will bring whirled peas!! Laziness is healthy!! Up is down!! Black is white!! and so on~~ for so long with zero evidence to support any of the grandiose claims, that I would hard put to filter out what *isn't* BS at this point. Wouldn't you? Oh, yeah, you don't do TM now or you never have, can't remember which. Anyway, as I've said before, I see no credible evidence that TM is anything more than a simple technique for mild relaxation, period. Any other claims get immediately filtered out by ye olde bullshit-o-meter. Let's not forget, the jokers who push this stuff can't even lower the crime rates at MUM and FF~~amongst meditators. Fraud? Check. Murder? Check. White-collar crime by the boatload~~double check. On May 11, 2011, at 9:06 PM, raviyogi2009 wrote: I would be really curious to know what BS your brain has been able to filter out here? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: I'm sure it does. Unfortunately I have this thing called a brain which usually allows me to filter the BS from the useful stuff. YMMV. On May 11, 2011, at 3:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! You need to sit lazily to get to the place where expectations turn into no-expectations. Works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. In other words, since you are asking a question that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope that that answers your question. And if it doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple of my German friends escort you to the door. It is all good, yes? Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every meditation the mind is getting to the finer state and some deep rooted stress starts to unstress. And this activity on the physical body does not allow the mind to settle down. And that may be the reason that you didn't have the contact with Being, which makes life blissful. But the very fact that you are meditating shows that the stresses are being released and released and now after such a long time, any time you could dive. The path is being
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: God Vaj, you being the Buddhist should know the sitting lazily metaphor. How you can convert this to calling TM'ers lazy and indulging in a mood making feat is just beyond me. Have you seen the many photos and the occasional videos of the experts in TM in Vedic City nodding off? How about the Domer sleepers? Willytex has kept a photo of some college-aged dome-kid snoozin' in a Lazy Boy for ages. Where yo' been? I gotta tell ya kiddo, they ain't noddin' off 'coz daze in some samadhi. Daze uh fallin' asleep. Lazy is the perfect word. That's why giveabighand could share much with posterity, if he is willing to simply share. -- giveabighand, come to think of it, you should digitize and then torrent-stream ASAP, at least until you find out if Wikileaks will take your contribution to humanity. says Vaj panting heavily now
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: God Vaj, you being the Buddhist should know the sitting lazily metaphor. How you can convert this to calling TM'ers lazy and indulging in a mood making feat is just beyond me. Have you seen the many photos and the occasional videos of the experts in TM in Vedic City nodding off? How about the Domer sleepers? Willytex has kept a photo of some college-aged dome-kid snoozin' in a Lazy Boy for ages. Where yo' been? I gotta tell ya kiddo, they ain't noddin' off 'coz daze in some samadhi. Daze uh fallin' asleep. Lazy is the perfect word. That's why giveabighand could share much with posterity, if he is willing to simply share. -- giveabighand, come to think of it, you should digitize and then torrent-stream ASAP, at least until you find out if Wikileaks will take your contribution to humanity. Says Vaj, now panting heavily.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Gullible Fool
Thanks for the happy birthday wishes, Rick, wayback71, and merudanda! Under the influence of maya, Brahman appears as Ishvara, the personal God, who exists on the celestial level of life, in the subtlest field of creation. In a similar manner, under the influence of avidya, atman appears as jiva, or individual soul. - MMY --- On Wed, 5/11/11, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Gullible Fool To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 2:42 PM happy happy birtday Keep on shining We're gonna shoot out the lights Keep on shining We're gonna burn down the night Life on the line, holding on tight One by one don't you know Somewhere in time, like a ghost in the night Take down the sun-- here we go happy happy birtday and thank you for your help in the past keep going, keep on shining your advise is always needed in the future --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Today's our co-moderator GF's birthday. Gave a good one!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
Thanks Sal, I know your feelings on TM. However the message seemed good enough, at least the one you responded to. It was only in a later message that giveabighand mentioned something about saving the world. I agree on some parts like saving the world, reducing the crime and so on, but I don't think Laziness is healthy is implied. Sit lazily to quieten the mind is a well known technique and doesn't imply laziness. Even Osho who I admire criticized TM as a sedative, however I don't take him seriously on that one - I believe even a false technique can lead you to great heights as long as the seeker is sincere and earnest. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: Rav, I have heard the usual tag-lines for TM~~ TM is the best!! Sitting on your butt in the Domes for hours on end will bring whirled peas!! Laziness is healthy!! Up is down!! Black is white!! and so on~~ for so long with zero evidence to support any of the grandiose claims, that I would hard put to filter out what *isn't* BS at this point. Wouldn't you? Oh, yeah, you don't do TM now or you never have, can't remember which. Anyway, as I've said before, I see no credible evidence that TM is anything more than a simple technique for mild relaxation, period. Any other claims get immediately filtered out by ye olde bullshit-o-meter. Let's not forget, the jokers who push this stuff can't even lower the crime rates at MUM and FF~~amongst meditators. Fraud? Check. Murder? Check. White-collar crime by the boatload~~double check. On May 11, 2011, at 9:06 PM, raviyogi2009 wrote: I would be really curious to know what BS your brain has been able to filter out here? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: I'm sure it does. Unfortunately I have this thing called a brain which usually allows me to filter the BS from the useful stuff. YMMV. On May 11, 2011, at 3:26 PM, giveabighand wrote: I came across a copy of the TM checking notes from a course in Norway in 1963. One of the instructions was, sit lazily. I loved it but some people were freaked out by such a radical instruction. Our entire western way of life is threatened by this sit lazily thing. I can see why it was later left out of the checking notes. I can also imagine Maharishi gleefully putting it in! You need to sit lazily to get to the place where expectations turn into no-expectations. Works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Dick Mays wrote: The Experience of Bliss Humboldt, 1970 Question: I've never had a meditation that I could consider blissful. So when does bliss become a real experience? MAHARISHI: Real experience of bliss - in UC, where everything is in terms of infinity. All values of life rise to the infinite value. And then it is just bliss. In other words, since you are asking a question that puts TM in even a slightly-unfavorable light, I'll just spout some meaningless jargon and hope that that answers your question. And if it doesn't, and you actually follow up by asking me what the hell I just said, I will have a couple of my German friends escort you to the door. It is all good, yes? Question: Doesn't anything come before this? MAHARISHI: Yes. On the subjective level of Being, bliss is available in TC. Once the mind transcends - pure awareness is called bliss consciousness. Even if it is momentary, we call it bliss. It is our experience in meditation, whether we completely transcend or not. What happens is, all that is dear to us in life - very dear, so beautiful, everything so nice, most attractive thing which clings to our heart and mind all the time - even that is forgotten the moment we begin to investigate into the finer regions of the mantra. In the transcendent is bliss consciousness. But on the way to it also the absorption of the mind is so intense, mind gets so intensely and so intimately absorbed in the perception of even the finer state of the mantra, that this charm here at this level makes mind forget all that has been so dear and so charming and so beautiful and so fascinating. All that gets forgotten. From this even we can infer - inference is a very valid means of gaining knowledge. So from this, that we even forget the dearest things, we infer that the level of experience in the finer state of the mantra must be charming enough to make us forget all charm of the gross experience. All charm of the gross experience is put off and this charm holds the mind. And then further subtler stage and then further subtler stage - the charm in all these experiences is of increasing value. And in that pure awareness it is profound. That alone is there, pure awareness When you feel that you have not had any experience of bliss and you are meditating for maybe two years or something, that means in every
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 05/10/2011
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Once upon a time, Willy sat with Suzuki Roshi's Soto Zen practitioners. They said: Don't think, just sit; this is Zen, this is enlightenment. Like the Japanese Teacher, Dogen, they called it Just Sitting (Jap. Shikan taza). The original practice in China was actually called Silent Illumination (Chi. Mao Zhao) and is much more than just sitting. Their motto: One moment of sitting One inch of Buddha A better motto: One moment of shitting One stench of Buddha Better motto? Hmm..Both seem to look or smell (take your pick) fine to me. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Suzuki says that 'just sitting' IS enlightenment. I'm lost - what are you saying? Just sitting is one of the great practices of Zen - so you do agree on the effortful practice to reach effortlessness?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The Experience of Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 11, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: God Vaj, you being the Buddhist should know the sitting lazily metaphor. How you can convert this to calling TM'ers lazy and indulging in a mood making feat is just beyond me. Have you seen the many photos and the occasional videos of the experts in TM in Vedic City nodding off? How about the Domer sleepers? Willytex has kept a photo of some college-aged dome-kid snoozin' in a Lazy Boy for ages. Where yo' been? I gotta tell ya kiddo, they ain't noddin' off 'coz daze in some samadhi. Daze uh fallin' asleep. Lazy is the perfect word. That's why giveabighand could share much with posterity, if he is willing to simply share. -- giveabighand, come to think of it, you should digitize and then torrent-stream ASAP, at least until you find out if Wikileaks will take your contribution to humanity. Humorous responses indeed especially sharing the posterity part, but you are very harsh on TM Uncle Vaj, very harsh, considering it's all dreaming the dream of thought constructs. I just can't understand why you always have to be such a sarcastic, boorish old fart spoiling the fun of TM lil' ones playing with their toys. Anyway how's everything been lately, any recent updates on your Vakra Gita that you would like to share?
[FairfieldLife] Jesus Hallucination
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