[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:55 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
> 
>  
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "danfriedman2002"
>  wrote:
> >
> > This is now the second instance where the facts provided by this
> non-Member are questioned.
> > 
> > Rick, wouldn't it just make more sense to provide attribution? Do your
> Sources need to be protected?
> > 
> > More transparency, please.
> 
> You must be joking ! Rick's motto is the wilder the rumor the better, at
> least if it aims at a saint. 
> No transparency please !
> 
> So says Nabby, whose real name none of us know, and who delights in stories
> of UFOs (which I happen to believe in myself), mysterious world saviors,
> etc.



The difference is ofcourse that I'm here to answer any kind of question about 
my posts you might have.

Contrary to your "friends" who are free to pass on any rumor under the motto 
"The wilder the better" if it goes against a saint.  

Fw: [FairfieldLife] Re: cognitive dissonance

[Bob Price]

 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 


Fitzgerald's statement 'the true test of a first rate mind is the ability to 
hold two contradictory ideas at the same time' really only works at the value 
of unity; 
Not sure Fitzgerald studied much Vedanta, my guess is that Zelda was the source 
of his inspiration. Xenophaneros Anartaxius 


if you are operating on the level of logic, you can think of two ideas at the 
same time, but it is impossible to believe they are both true, unless you 
mindfuck yourself into submission by twisting the meaning of one of the 
ideas. You have to modify your belief system to reduce discomfort: it is a way 
of going unconscious, of suppressing the perceived discrepancy. If you go 
unconscious, you may not notice the discrepancy. You see this a lot in the TMO, 
in politics, and religion.
Denial (common dissonance reduction technique ) does not require the individual 
to modify their belief system. Addictive personality disorders are an obvious 
example of a group that uses denial to manage dissonance. Clinton's feelings of 
victimization is another example. He didn't change his beliefs he just denied 
his behaviour. Of course, having Hillary and his supporters as enablers didn't 
hurt either. Another example might be Maharishi's annual action plan 
announcements('72, Year of World Plan, '74 Year of Achievement of The World 
Plan,  '75 Year of The Dawn of The Age of Enlightenment). In the face of 
obvious failures these exceptional individuals declared success.
In the case of Clinton and Maharishi were they in denial or did they have the 
predilection Turq described
that encouraged the dissonance in the first place and caused them to thrive in  
it rather then feel discomfort? 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)

[Ravi Yogi]

Thanks Jim, I loved the description of the East in reference to Bhakti.
You were one of the few lone heart centered lotuses I encountered in the
muddy intellectual ponds of FFL & Batgap, and I can clearly see the
impact of your childhood in the East.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" 
wrote:
>
> I like reading your stuff Ravi - Bhakti Yoga.
>
> In SE Asia I grew up on it. It was always in the air. Literally. What
I remember was the air always smelled like life, kind of fruity, with
rot and diesel and tobacco and dust mixed in. It HAD a smell. Life seems
closer, less abstract there. Fruit bats filling the evening sky between
the corrugated roofs, near the Presidential Palace in Bogor, Indonesia,
on Java.
>
> The beating sun searing above the horizon at seven, then during the
monsoon season, watching walls of rain sweeping down the street. In the
tropics, Nature envelops you. Seed of Bhakti Yoga.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> >
> > Bill - Thank you.
> >
> > "If I understand you correctly, it seems as if you had too much
energy.
> > And later you crashed".
> >
> > I would characterize it as a rise and coast. It's only an apparent
> > crash, not crash landing or crashing down to earth. Using the
analogy of
> > an airplane the crash from rise to coast is only apparent or
temporary,
> > we have already gained elevation.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you so much Ravi!! You have a very interesting story.
And I
> > can now see your inability to sleep for those periods is something
quite
> > different than what might happen in TM. If I understand you
correctly,
> > it seems as if you had too much energy. And later you crashed. It
has
> > some associative points of contact with manic-depressive states. I
am
> > just knowledgeable enough to know that kundalini-style yoga seems to
> > emphasize moving energy around the various chakras. The problem in
TM
> > seems to be that the recognition within oneself of this silent
> > innerlayer never leaves even during sleep. Your state was high
energy,
> > the TM state during sleep might be compared to a dimly lit candle--
but
> > one nevertheless never goes out even during sleep. I am go thankful
that
> > you nshard this with me. I have a great awareness now of what
happened
> > to you and maybe it is also a cautionary tale against using this
> > type of yoga in some cases.Â
> > > Cheers
> > > Bill Â
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: cognitive dissonance

[Ravi Yogi]

What BS? Barry - you are the classic example of CD on this list here,
bullying and screaming loud about people's exeriences and
complaining/cautioning newcomers about certain posters, trying to bully
people sharing their experiences and then when you get an earful back
you back off with your drama queen excuses of blaming posters who give
it back to you as posters you don't read, posters that are not worth
your time or occult energy sucking posters.
Get a clue, you have an "UNUSUALLY HIGH" level of discomfort with
conflicting ideas.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> There is nothing inherent in the experience of
> cognitive dissonance that causes discomfort. It's
> how you react to it.
>
> I see cognitive dissonance as a kind of energy field.
> I am comfortable with that energy field; it's more
> interesting to me than the energy field of "knowing"
> or claiming to "know" things. I like the dynamic of
> the swirling energy of contradictory ideas being
> juggled. As usual with me :-), there is a Bruce
> Cockburn lyric that captures my feelings about this.
> It's as close as I can get to explaining it:
>
> You see the extremes
> Of what humans can be?
> In that distance some tension's born
> Energy surging like a storm
> You plunge your hand in
> And draw it back scorched
> Beneath it's shining like
> Gold but better
> Rumours of glory
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sour grapes (was cognitive dissonance)

[Ravi Yogi]

Hey Bob, thanks for this beautiful question. I can't speak for Nabby but
NO, I can't truthfully say "all the wankers on FFL", but I can
definitely say truthfully that "Bob and Barry" are too un-evolved to
have realized experiences and employ CD  denial techniques to
rationalize their ignorance.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> I hope this will be my last post about cognitive dissonance (CD). I
figure if I can getÂ
> some answers to this question I'll have both hemispheres firing and I
can move on
> to the FFL script we're working on or better yet my first "Zombie in
My Gas Tank"
> interview.
>
> Preamble
>
>
> If  Leon Festinger (major cognitive dissonance thinker) were
to say to me:
> "you and Fitzgerald are full of crap. The theory does not include some
people
> being better at sustaining the discomfort caused by holding twoÂ
> conflicting ideas in the mind at one time. The theory states that
people (as in all)
> have a motivational drive to reduce the dissonance (discomfort)
and employ
> techniques (primarily denial) to reduce the discomfort.
>
> Question:
>
> If Leon said this to me and Ravi and Nabby over heard him, could they
truthfully say:
> "Exactly, which means all the wankers on FFL that question #1
experiences
> are actually just too un-evolved to have realized experiences
and employ CD
> denial techniques to -not unlike the fox with sour grapes in Aesops
fable, rationalize
>  their ignorance".
>
> Please see the third paragraph at this link:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
>

[FairfieldLife] Heart Guided Meditation

[John]

I just found this clip on YouTube.  It looks simple enough.  If anyone is 
interested, please try it.  Let us know what your experience is like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB-48g6nuxw&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Re: cognitive dissonance

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> Turqoiseb said something really interesting: 'On the 
> other hand, I thrive on cognitive dissonance; it defines 
> for me some of the highest, most profound moments of my 
> life. I actually seek it, as much as I seek anything.'
> 
> I wonder if he might expand on this idea. Surely he 
> thrives in trying to create the experience of cognitive 
> dissonance for others, at which he is quite good, but what 
> would be his reason for seeking it out? It is normally 
> not natural to seek out discomfort. 

There is nothing inherent in the experience of 
cognitive dissonance that causes discomfort. It's
how you react to it. 

I see cognitive dissonance as a kind of energy field.
I am comfortable with that energy field; it's more
interesting to me than the energy field of "knowing"
or claiming to "know" things. I like the dynamic of
the swirling energy of contradictory ideas being
juggled. As usual with me :-), there is a Bruce 
Cockburn lyric that captures my feelings about this.
It's as close as I can get to explaining it:

You see the extremes
Of what humans can be?
In that distance some tension's born
Energy surging like a storm
You plunge your hand in
And draw it back scorched
Beneath it's shining like
Gold but better
Rumours of glory

[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)

[whynotnow7]

no sweat. They will recognize their emptiness soon enough. In the meantime, 
make a decent life for yourself Robert. No need to put your attention on the 
mirage of the rich.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardjwilliamstexas"  
> wrote:
> >
> > > > In the context of our continued political system, it is
> > > > easy to "blame Obama" while we whine and cry and call
> > > > foul - where is the loyalty
> > > 
> > authfriend: 
> > > Are you even *aware* that there are many who think
> > > cutting spending to reduce the deficit is the very *last*
> > > thing we should be doing while the economy is still in
> > > such bad shape?
> > >
> > "But why insist on higher taxes in the middle of weakest 
> > economic recovery in the post-World War II era?"
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/3ba2snc
> >
> More and more will the 'Light of Consciousness' shine on the arrogance of the 
> corporate elites, so that they pay their fair share...there is a shift 
> coming...soon, stand by..
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[emptybill]

I haven't seen SSRS's altar since 1999. However, Durga was on his
personal puja altar in his room at that time.

As a maha-pandita, he could choice any deva for his altar. This is quite
common among brahmana-s and this was his altar at that time. I doubt it
has changed much.
……..



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
>
> Hmmm, yes, thank you, of course.  Does he really have a picture of M's
feet on his altar?  I always thought of him as having split off to do
his own thing, though I know he says that M blessed him in that.
>
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Vaj wrote:
>
> >
> > On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Mark Landau wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you, Vaj, who is SSRS?
> >
> >
> > Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, one of Maharishi's former pandits and really
the most successful gentleman in maintaining and preserving the form of
meditation Maharishi taught, for millions of people. I believe by this
time, he's actually initiated more than the TM movement did. It would
seem a real win-win for someone as intimately involved as yourself to
see it preserved by someone for whom it would be an object of real
devotion and for someone who works so hard to preserve that form of
meditation so tangibly.
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[whynotnow7]

The biggest cache would be Tony Randall's socks. He was said to have changed 
into a new pair every day.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> Would you feel the same way about Hope Solo's soccer shoes, or how about
> Abby Wamback's sports bra?
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I may be the odd one out here, but the idea of buying someone's ratty,
> sweaty, old footwear kinda grosses me out. I would no more want MMY's
> old sandals than Mario Batali's old orange Crocs.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[whynotnow7]

One of the first divine visions I had was while out jogging and I began to 
approach Guru Dev's feet. Couldn't meet him face to face until later. Began 
with the feet. Innocently and humbly. I still can't answer why.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:56 PM, nablusoss1008
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, Judy understands this, and, I'm sure, she's right about: Also 
> >> possible they don't approve of Mark making money for his personal use from 
> >> the sale of of the sandals.  for many of them.
> >>
> >> But again, prior to my emailing FFL, perhaps only 5-7 potential buyers 
> >> knew.  From the sounds of it, so far, that number probably hasn't 
> >> increased...
> >
> >
> > That's complete nonsense. Maharishi wanted everyone to be happy, including 
> > you. If someone objects that someone else uses his own money to buy these 
> > sandals they are corrupt and useless. Send them to India.
> >
> 
> 
> So why do I take my shoes/sandals off?   Why do I not expose the soles
> of my feet as it's considered an insult?   I want to buy sandals
> Maharishi used?   If he used toilet paper, why wouldn't I want to buy
> that instead?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: cognitive dissonance

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
> >
> > Turq,
> > >
> > > Just to clarify, I'm referring to the whole
> > > theory which I believe includes not just
> > > the discomfort caused by the conflicting
> > > ideas but the motivation people have
> > > to use ways to reduce the discomfort.
> 
> Got it. Thanks for clarifying.
> 
> > > If you're correct, which I believe you are,
> > > were does the predilection come from?
> > > Is it nature or nurture or both? Are there
> > > behaviours, say substance abuse, that 
> > > push the predilection in one direction?
> 
> You know me. Unlike some here, I don't "know" shit.
> I just speculate. My speculation is that it's a 
> combination of both.
> 
> And I base this on a belief in reincarnation. Some
> have 'paid their dues' along one path (sutra or
> tantra) in the past, and thus nurture tends to
> develop habits (samskaras) in them that cause them
> to lean in one or the other direction. 
> 
> On the other hand, some seekers I've met tend to
> glom onto a predilection from past lives, only to
> find that it doesn't work for them in this one.
> At that point they switch and start batting for
> the other team (which is not a euphemism for 
> turning gay, no matter what some will say). :-)
> At that point, I think nature might be the pre-
> dominant operative force. 
> 
> > > If you, Fitzgerald and my first paragraph above are
> > > all correct would it be more accurate to say some people 
> > > have less of a predilection to cognitive dissonance (CD)
> > > (motivation to reduce the discomfort) than others
> > > and are therefore more intelligent?
> 
> I'm really not comfortable with the "more intelligent/
> less intelligent" thang. That's expressing things 
> from a certain POV, as if that POV were "right." That,
> the belief that one and only one POV can be "right," 
> to continue my train of thought, is sutra. I really
> am more comfortable with tantra. For those who swing
> the sutra way, behaviors modeled on pat answers might 
> make them more intelligent. For those who swing the 
> tantra way, the *same* behavior might make them less 
> intelligent. And vice versa. 
> 
> > > For me, one of the many interesting aspects of CD
> > > are the various denial techniques some
> > > people use to reduce the discomfort
> > > and if this is another layer of the predilection
> > > you described.
> 
> I think it "follows from" the predilection. If you're
> a sutra kinda guy suddenly confronted with two contra-
> dictory ideas and thus experiencing CD, you might tend
> to react by trying to "make it go away," using denial
> or other techniques for doing so. A more tantra kinda
> guy, confronted with the *same* two contradictory 
> ideas, might groove behind it and have no need to
> do this. They might get off on juggling the two ideas,
> keeping them both "in the air" at the same time.
> 
> In other words, one would experience CD and perceive 
> it as "discomfort-making." The other might experience
> the same CD and experience it as "comfort-making."
> 
> 
> > From: turquoiseb 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 8:53:36 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: cognitive dissonance
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm curious what everyone thinks is 
> > > > the difference between cognitive
> > > > dissonance ("people have a motivational 
> > > > drive to reduce dissonance") and what 
> > > > F. Scott Fitzgerald said: "the true test 
> > > > of a first rate mind is the ability to hold 
> > > > two contradictory ideas at the same time".
> > 
> > An excellent question, one of the best here in 
> > some time. I would have to say that it probably
> > depends -- as does so much else -- on predilection.
> > 
> > I think that for many people, possibly the majority,
> > cognitive dissonance is perceived as uncomfortable,
> > and thus the "rule" might be true. On the other hand,
> > I thrive on cognitive dissonance; it defines for me
> > some of the highest, most profound moments of my life. 
> > I actually seek it, as much as I seek anything.
> > 
> > > > If the theory of cognitive dissonance
> > > > and Fitzgerald are both right would
> > > > that mean the natural tendency
> > > > of the mind is to become less
> > > > intelligent?
> > 
> > As stated above, I don't think that the "rule" is
> > applicable to everyone. I honestly think it's a 
> > matter of predilection; some are comfortable with
> > sutra ("Every question is the perfect opportunity
> > for the answer he have already prepared") and others
> > are more comfortable with tantra ("WTF? Wow, that's
> > kinda neat!"). 
> > 
> > Cognitive dissonance may make the former "less intel-
> > ligent," but the latter "more intelligent."

Cognitive Dissonance: The state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or 
attitudes, esp. as relating to behavioral d

[FairfieldLife] Auction sale of lots

[Yifu]

Imperial, CA 1904
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/4/36897.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Yifu]

Feet of clay?
http://skeletonart.com/Detailed/397.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Would you feel the same way about Hope Solo's soccer shoes, or how about
> > Abby Wamback's sports bra?
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I may be the odd one out here, but the idea of buying someone's ratty,
> > sweaty, old footwear kinda grosses me out. I would no more want MMY's
> > old sandals than Mario Batali's old orange Crocs.
> > >
> >
> I always thought when I saw Maharishi that he truely had beautiful feet...and 
> he seemed to know how to tread lightly, for sure...
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Mark Landau]

On Jul 19, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Robert wrote:
> I always thought when I saw Maharishi that he truely had beautiful feet...and 
> he seemed to know how to tread lightly, for sure...
And when he was on them, he was always moving, though often only swaying 
slightly

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> Would you feel the same way about Hope Solo's soccer shoes, or how about
> Abby Wamback's sports bra?
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I may be the odd one out here, but the idea of buying someone's ratty,
> sweaty, old footwear kinda grosses me out. I would no more want MMY's
> old sandals than Mario Batali's old orange Crocs.
> >
>
I always thought when I saw Maharishi that he truely had beautiful feet...and 
he seemed to know how to tread lightly, for sure...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardjwilliamstexas"  
wrote:
>
> > > In the context of our continued political system, it is
> > > easy to "blame Obama" while we whine and cry and call
> > > foul - where is the loyalty
> > 
> authfriend: 
> > Are you even *aware* that there are many who think
> > cutting spending to reduce the deficit is the very *last*
> > thing we should be doing while the economy is still in
> > such bad shape?
> >
> "But why insist on higher taxes in the middle of weakest 
> economic recovery in the post-World War II era?"
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/3ba2snc
>
More and more will the 'Light of Consciousness' shine on the arrogance of the 
corporate elites, so that they pay their fair share...there is a shift 
coming...soon, stand by..

[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)

[raunchydog]

Our country has moved so far to the right that there's hardly any difference 
between a Republican who wants to cut Social Security and Medicare and a 
Democrat who wants to cut Social Security and Medicare but raise taxes 
slightly.  Ronald Reagan raised taxes and IMO was more of a Democrat than 
Obama. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-budget-deals-of-reagan-bush-clinton-and-obama-in-one-chart/2011/07/06/gIQA98w11H_blog.html


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans  wrote:
>
> Because it isn't "the American people don't want higher taxes"the 
> question is "do the american people want a proportionately fair tax system on 
> the money made from the corporations and wealth aristocrats (that is not 
> coming back to us via the "trickle down theory or will it ever) on the backs 
> of us working class."  This is another Republican myth that they are 
> spreading to instill fear.
> 
> --- On Tue, 7/19/11, richardjwilliamstexas  wrote:
> 
> From: richardjwilliamstexas 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped 
> (and The Last Mountain)
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 19, 2011, 3:26 PM
> 
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> > > easy to "blame Obama" while we whine and cry and call
> 
> > > foul - where is the loyalty
> 
> > 
> 
> authfriend: 
> 
> > Are you even *aware* that there are many who think
> 
> > cutting spending to reduce the deficit is the very *last*
> 
> > thing we should be doing while the economy is still in
> 
> > such bad shape?
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> "But why insist on higher taxes in the middle of weakest 
> 
> economic recovery in the post-World War II era?"
> 
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> http://tinyurl.com/3ba2snc
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rupert Murdoch gets pied

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 07/19/2011 03:32 PM, richardjwilliamstexas wrote:
> >
> > Bhairitu:
> >> Or do they so fear the old grinch they're afraid to
> >> post it...
> >>
> > "I wonder if Obama, MediaMatters, Jon Stewart, indeed
> > the rest of the media at large, will accept personal
> > responsibility for creating a 'culture of hate' that
> > led to this attack the way they demanded Palin do
> > after the Giffords incident?"
> >
> > http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/124634/
> 
> Apples and oranges.  In this climate of disproportionate wealth the rich 
> should be made to feel as uncomfortable as possible.   And a more 
> aggressive populace would make sure they are relieved of their burden.
>
Just the mere fact that Murdoch and Co. had to defend themselves at 10 Downing 
St. is symbolic to me that the 'Light of Consciousness' is beginning to shine a 
bit brighter on the darknesses of this Media giant...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> If you are needing to survive, eat, then you are justified.
>
I am sure Mark was just waiting to get your stamp of approval.  Mite
generous of you to do so.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
wrote:
>
> On Jul 18, 2011, at 11:55 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> Sal, I'm on record now. I say they will not go for less than
$10,000.00.
>
> Got it. And if they do, I want to see the receipt, or cancelled
>
> check, or whatever. I say the whole idea is ludicrous and those
> pushing it are just enablers. But maybe that's just me.

Yea, I think so.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[seventhray1]

Would you feel the same way about Hope Solo's soccer shoes, or how about
Abby Wamback's sports bra?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
 wrote:
>
>
>
> I may be the odd one out here, but the idea of buying someone's ratty,
sweaty, old footwear kinda grosses me out. I would no more want MMY's
old sandals than Mario Batali's old orange Crocs.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)

[Denise Evans]

Because it isn't "the American people don't want higher taxes"the question 
is "do the american people want a proportionately fair tax system on the money 
made from the corporations and wealth aristocrats (that is not coming back to 
us via the "trickle down theory or will it ever) on the backs of us working 
class."  This is another Republican myth that they are spreading to instill 
fear.

--- On Tue, 7/19/11, richardjwilliamstexas  wrote:

From: richardjwilliamstexas 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and 
The Last Mountain)
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 19, 2011, 3:26 PM















 
 



  



  
  
  > > In the context of our continued political system, it is

> > easy to "blame Obama" while we whine and cry and call

> > foul - where is the loyalty

> 

authfriend: 

> Are you even *aware* that there are many who think

> cutting spending to reduce the deficit is the very *last*

> thing we should be doing while the economy is still in

> such bad shape?

>

"But why insist on higher taxes in the middle of weakest 

economic recovery in the post-World War II era?"



http://tinyurl.com/3ba2snc






 





 



  

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rupert Murdoch gets pied

[raunchydog]

Wendi Deng Murdoch delivers volleyball spike! Kaboom!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08tBHEGtpzs

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 07/19/2011 09:35 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
> > The news is all abuzz about this but try to find a video of it.  If you
> > click on the stories the only video you'll see is the live stream of the
> > hearings.  But here is a a video on the incident posted on YouTube.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe5fPsucqKI
> >
> > But I'm sure that the news pool got a better shot.  Where is it?  Maybe
> > later in the day?  Or do they so fear the old grinch they're afraid to
> > post it.
> 
> Little better one on the Guardian site.
> 
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog/video/2011/jul/19/rupert-murdoch-jamesmurdoch
> 
> Too bad the pool didn't get a front shot.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rupert Murdoch gets pied

[Bhairitu]

On 07/19/2011 03:32 PM, richardjwilliamstexas wrote:
>
> Bhairitu:
>> Or do they so fear the old grinch they're afraid to
>> post it...
>>
> "I wonder if Obama, MediaMatters, Jon Stewart, indeed
> the rest of the media at large, will accept personal
> responsibility for creating a 'culture of hate' that
> led to this attack the way they demanded Palin do
> after the Giffords incident?"
>
> http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/124634/

Apples and oranges.  In this climate of disproportionate wealth the rich 
should be made to feel as uncomfortable as possible.   And a more 
aggressive populace would make sure they are relieved of their burden.

[FairfieldLife] Obama Backs Repeal of Gay-Marriage Ban [DOMA]

[do.rflex]

Obama backs Respect For Marriage Act

by Steve Benen


I don't have high hopes for the legislation — the House 
majority is still the House majority — but the Obama White
House's support  for the Respect For Marriage Act
  is the latest in a series of 
encouraging steps on civil rights.

President Obama is throwing his support behind the  Respect For Marriage
Act - the bill to repeal the 1996 Defense Of  Marriage Act, which banned
the federal government from recognizing  same-sex marriage even for
couples married under state law.

The president has "long called for a legislative appeal for the 
so-called Defense of Marriage Act, which continues to have a real impact
on families," White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters at 
Tuesday's briefing. He said the president "is proud" to
support the  Respect For Marriage Act, "which would take the Defense
of Marriage Act  off the books for once and for all."

The bill was introduced in the Senate by Sens. Dianne Feinstein 
(D-Calif.), Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), and Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.).

This comes the same year as the Obama administration's decision to 
stop trying to defend DOMA against federal court challenges.

What's more, it's a heartening piece that fits into a larger
mosaic.


After two-and-a-half years, President Obama has successfully repealed 
the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" law;


expanded federal benefits for the  same-sex partners of executive-branch
employees;


signed the Hate Crimes  Prevention Act into law; cleared the way for
hospital-visitation rights  for same-sex couples;


lifted the travel/immigration ban on those with  HIV/AIDS;


ordered the Federal Housing Authority to no longer consider  the sexual
orientation of applicants on loans;


expanded the Census to  include the number of people who report being in
a same-sex  relationship;


and hired more openly gay officials than any  administration in history.

There have also been more symbolic gestures, including the White  House
hosting an event to honor the 40th anniversary of the Stonewall  riots,
announcing the first-ever transgender presidential appointee, 
nominating the first openly-gay man to serve on the federal judiciary, 
honoring same-sex couples in his Mother's Day and Father's Day 
proclamations, recording a video for the "It Gets Better"
Project, and  hosting Gay and Lesbian Pride Month events at the White
House.

And today, the president has offered his well-timed endorsement of  the
Respect For Marriage Act.

I realize there are still a sizable number of people in the LGBT 
community who are unsatisfied with the pace of change, and consider 
President Obama someone who has ignored, and even betrayed, their 
interests. Some have even vowed not to lift a finger to help with the 
president's re-election effort.

I suspect many social-conservative activists, furious with the steps 
Obama has already taken to advance civil rights for the LGBT community, 
must find this inexplicable.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_07/obama_backs_re\
spect_for_marria030970.php

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[curtisdeltablues]

Hey Rick,

I just want to second the motion for more restrictions on posters here and more 
outing of people against their will.  Our need to know who is posting is much 
more important than their privacy.  

Also I would like to see a lot less of posters using passive construction in 
their writing.  We need MORE action verbs, not less.  Any chance you can 
include that demand in your new rules?

And (last thing) how about a total ban on anyone referring to Guru Dev as "that 
homeless guy who hit the lottery."  It is offensive to dwelling impaired 
Americans. 

Oh yeah (seriously, last thing) and I'm getting a little sick of the phrase UFO 
when we know damn well who these aliens are and where they are from. (I'm 
talking to you El Salvador)

Oops (I promise last last last) If you wouldn't mind, I would like to see a 
shot of female posters in a wet T-shirt.  Not to be sexist but in the spirit of 
the fullest possible dis-clothes-her.






  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:55 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "danfriedman2002"
>  wrote:
> >
> > This is now the second instance where the facts provided by this
> non-Member are questioned.
> > 
> > Rick, wouldn't it just make more sense to provide attribution? Do your
> Sources need to be protected?
> > 
> > More transparency, please.
> 
> You must be joking ! Rick's motto is the wilder the rumor the better, at
> least if it aims at a saint. 
> No transparency please !
> 
> So says Nabby, whose real name none of us know, and who delights in stories
> of UFOs (which I happen to believe in myself), mysterious world saviors,
> etc.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped

[richardjwilliamstexas]

Bhairitu:
> The establishment will just not relinquish control 
> so that humanity can move forward.  They'd rather go 
> down like a sinking ship.
>
Obama "...prefers the inequality that comes from a 
government hierarchy, over inequality that comes from 
voluntary trade."

http://tinyurl.com/3wtvvpz

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rupert Murdoch gets pied

[richardjwilliamstexas]

Bhairitu:
> Or do they so fear the old grinch they're afraid to 
> post it...
>
"I wonder if Obama, MediaMatters, Jon Stewart, indeed 
the rest of the media at large, will accept personal 
responsibility for creating a 'culture of hate' that 
led to this attack the way they demanded Palin do 
after the Giffords incident?"

http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/124634/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)

[richardjwilliamstexas]

> > In the context of our continued political system, it is
> > easy to "blame Obama" while we whine and cry and call
> > foul - where is the loyalty
> 
authfriend: 
> Are you even *aware* that there are many who think
> cutting spending to reduce the deficit is the very *last*
> thing we should be doing while the economy is still in
> such bad shape?
>
"But why insist on higher taxes in the middle of weakest 
economic recovery in the post-World War II era?"

http://tinyurl.com/3ba2snc

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:55 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

 

  



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "danfriedman2002"
 wrote:
>
> This is now the second instance where the facts provided by this
non-Member are questioned.
> 
> Rick, wouldn't it just make more sense to provide attribution? Do your
Sources need to be protected?
> 
> More transparency, please.

You must be joking ! Rick's motto is the wilder the rumor the better, at
least if it aims at a saint. 
No transparency please !

So says Nabby, whose real name none of us know, and who delights in stories
of UFOs (which I happen to believe in myself), mysterious world saviors,
etc.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "danfriedman2002"  
wrote:
>
> This is now the second instance where the facts provided by this non-Member 
> are questioned.
> 
> Rick, wouldn't it just make more sense to provide attribution? Do your 
> Sources need to be protected?
> 
> More transparency, please.

You must be joking ! Rick's motto is the wilder the rumor the better, at least 
if it aims at a saint. 
No transparency please !
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > From a friend (with apologies to Dan Friendman):
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Dear Rick
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  MMY had several sets of sandals made for him over the years.  Mark's were
> > > not the original set.  Helen Lutes had a set of sandals that M left behind
> > > when new ones came as did a few others.  
> > > 
> > > Mark had the sandals M used during that time period.  But they were not 
> > > the
> > > first set.
> > 
> > So what ?
> > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Five million?  
> > > 
> > > Should be careful making personal gain from a holy man's belongings. 
> > 
> > 
> > That's complete nonsense. Who told you this, and why do you believe in this 
> > ? Don't you have an opinion of your own ?
> >  
> > 
> > > Bevan has some rules about that and if Mark connects to Rajas he may come
> > > across those rules. We had some items and ran into the rules. Nothing
> > > happened as a result.
> > 
> > 
> > Never heard of these rules, what I know is that the TMO wants to be in 
> > control of the Knowledge. Including knowledge of potential relics. If not 
> > anyone could start selling, say deeskins which could turn out to be shot 
> > last year.
> > 
> > I'm pretty sure Maharishi would be very happy to hear that one of his boys 
> > made a fortune.
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > I think the rules come from MMY.
> > 
> > 
> > That's what you  t h i n k  ! 
> > Perhaps you should trandscend more and think less.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[obbajeeba]

Yay! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYpBoYa4pno

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of danfriedman2002
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:03 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> Rick,
> 
> Here's the first instance where the facts need to be questioned because
> there was no attribution of the source.
> 
> Can't you provide your Sources?
> 
> Nope. This person has the right to remain anonymous. Without that right,
> he/she wouldn't have provided this information.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> 
> [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  ]
> > On Behalf Of Mark Landau
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 12:47 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Thank you for this. Truth is always the best. So they are not as rare as I
> > had thought, but, still, I believe, quite rare and, to many, quite
> precious.
> > And, yes, the rules will probably get in the way for many, though I would
> be
> > surprised if they actually came from M. So somewhere between 5 million and
> > 0. Who knows what will come of this?
> > 
> > I suppose if he could fly under the radar, some raja may say "Damn the
> > rules; I want the sandals."
> >
> 
> 
> 
>   _  
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[obbajeeba]

Yay! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYpBoYa4pno

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of danfriedman2002
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:03 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> Rick,
> 
> Here's the first instance where the facts need to be questioned because
> there was no attribution of the source.
> 
> Can't you provide your Sources?
> 
> Nope. This person has the right to remain anonymous. Without that right,
> he/she wouldn't have provided this information.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> 
> [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  ]
> > On Behalf Of Mark Landau
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 12:47 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Thank you for this. Truth is always the best. So they are not as rare as I
> > had thought, but, still, I believe, quite rare and, to many, quite
> precious.
> > And, yes, the rules will probably get in the way for many, though I would
> be
> > surprised if they actually came from M. So somewhere between 5 million and
> > 0. Who knows what will come of this?
> > 
> > I suppose if he could fly under the radar, some raja may say "Damn the
> > rules; I want the sandals."
> >
> 
> 
> 
>   _  
> 
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of danfriedman2002
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:03 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

 

  

Rick,

Here's the first instance where the facts need to be questioned because
there was no attribution of the source.

Can't you provide your Sources?

Nope. This person has the right to remain anonymous. Without that right,
he/she wouldn't have provided this information.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 ]
> On Behalf Of Mark Landau
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 12:47 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for this. Truth is always the best. So they are not as rare as I
> had thought, but, still, I believe, quite rare and, to many, quite
precious.
> And, yes, the rules will probably get in the way for many, though I would
be
> surprised if they actually came from M. So somewhere between 5 million and
> 0. Who knows what will come of this?
> 
> I suppose if he could fly under the radar, some raja may say "Damn the
> rules; I want the sandals."
>



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[emptybill]

According to my informant (a former student of MMY, a former MIU
professor, a close teacher of SSRS who now is a professor and a
Sankhya-Yoga scholar) SSRS was always devoted to MMY and had only love
for him until the "final endlessness". According to this
scholar, SSRS said, quite often, that MMY had nothing but Deva Ma's
will to fulfill, i.e. that this was his sole purpose in life and that
Her Divine Will was all that concerned him in this earthly life.



However, MMY wanted SSRS's re-discovery of Sudarshan Kriya to be
taught only as an ($$$) advanced TM technique for those with
"appropriate" access. That means people who could both afford
the cost and also had the "correct" certification/center-letters
of recommendation.



SSRS felt that this re-discovered method had tremendous benefits for
anyone (including those just starting any technique). Thus SSRS finally
went out and began teaching outside of the TMO, something that SSRS
lamented but understood was necessary if it was to ever become available
to the general populace.


Read it and weep.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
>
> Hmmm, yes, thank you, of course.  Does he really have a picture of M's
feet on his altar?  I always thought of him as having split off to do
his own thing, though I know he says that M blessed him in that.
>
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Vaj wrote:
>
> >
> > On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Mark Landau wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you, Vaj, who is SSRS?
> >
> >
> > Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, one of Maharishi's former pandits and really
the most successful gentleman in maintaining and preserving the form of
meditation Maharishi taught, for millions of people. I believe by this
time, he's actually initiated more than the TM movement did. It would
seem a real win-win for someone as intimately involved as yourself to
see it preserved by someone for whom it would be an object of real
devotion and for someone who works so hard to preserve that form of
meditation so tangibly.
> >
> >
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of danfriedman2002
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:58 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

 

  

Rick,

There is no apology necessary, but I do suggest attributing the friend's
name. Then there's a record of who said what to whom. Just like on a Public
Forum.

Sorry. On FFL people have the right to remain anonymous. That's the way it
has always been and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From a friend (with apologies to Dan Friendman):
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Rick
> 
> 
> 
> MMY had several sets of sandals made for him over the years. Mark's were
> not the original set. Helen Lutes had a set of sandals that M left behind
> when new ones came as did a few others. 
> 
> Mark had the sandals M used during that time period. But they were not the
> first set.
> 
> 
> 
> Five million? 
> 
> Should be careful making personal gain from a holy man's belongings. 
> 
> 
> 
> Bevan has some rules about that and if Mark connects to Rajas he may come
> across those rules. We had some items and ran into the rules. Nothing
> happened as a result.
> 
> I think the rules come from MMY.
> 
> 
> 
> Perhaps Mark should try Craig's list instead.
>



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[richardjwilliamstexas]

danfriedman:
> What's happening is that FFL Members continue to 
> post on behalf, or in spite of, non-Members. This 
> has led to a number of misunderstandings, 
> discontinuities, and worst, defamation posted 
> behind this screen of provided anonymity.
> 
So, you're thinking that some members are posting
messages on behalf of non-members, because some
non-members don't want to become members, because
they want to post defamation, so they get members
to post it? Why can't the non-members just become
members and post their own defamatory messages? 

This is just outrageous!!!

> > > Can FairfieldLife adopt a Policy restricting 
> > > non-member posting? This issue has come up 
> > > before, and has led to many misunderstandings.
> > > 
> > Apparently posting to FFL is available only to
> > members. Non-members can read, but not post.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[sparaig]

As Robert Roth with the DLF if he knows anyone who is interested...

L.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
>
> Thank you, cdb, I would let the Zimmermans know, if I knew how.
> 
> On Jul 18, 2011, at 10:42 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> 
> > I appreciate your offering them here for the story value. And as 
> > disillusioned as I am, the attraction of these sandals is understandable, 
> > so you need to cash all the way in for these.
> > 
> > I think you should go after the rich guys in Fairfield, the Zimmermans, or 
> > whoever else are the names who have the bucks and the belief system. If I 
> > had their money I would be all in for some version of the 10- whatever 
> > thousand dollar range for these. I would put them in my Stapatya Veda house 
> > in a shrine and would appreciate them as the relic they are for the right 
> > believer. And every time I had a dinner party with people for whom my chef 
> > prepared each meal with the RIGHT churna for their prakriti and the season, 
> > they would take a moment to see these sandals under the glass or even hold 
> > them if they were soul brothers and sistas. Hold the great Maharishi's 
> > sandals just as I did at his feet in India, getting the Vedic buzz of a 
> > lifetime. I understand. I really do.
> > 
> > I hope you can find the right buyer who will cherish them and can translate 
> > that feeling into dead presidents.
> > 
> > Good luck!
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > On Jul 18, 2011, at 10:17 PM, authfriend wrote:
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you, J, we're pretty much on the same page. I'm not
> > > > > aware of pro-MMY forums. Are there such and what might
> > > > > they be?
> > > > 
> > > > Mark, I don't know their names. I'm pretty sure there's at
> > > > least one Yahoo Group. You could try doing a group search
> > > > for "Transcendental Meditation" here:
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/ 
> > > > 
> > > Thanks again, I'll try.
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe others here will know some names.
> > > > 
> > > > > I used to think that some day there would be a world class
> > > > > auction of M's things, including his Mercedes or whatever
> > > > > car(s) he ended up with, you know, like at Christie's or 
> > > > > Sotheby's.
> > > > 
> > > > Who has custody of his things now?
> > > > 
> > > His family. I suppose it's possible they would do an auction someday to 
> > > raise more money.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't mean to conjure false hopes, but I'd be astonished
> > > > if MMY's sandals wouldn't be a very desirable item for a
> > > > wealthy devotee. But you have to get the word out. You 
> > > > might think about finding out who the wealthy ones are and
> > > > doing a private snail-mailing.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > I've begun that via email, but haven't gotten very far with it.
> > > 
> > > > I wish you the best of luck. It can't be easy for you to
> > > > part with those sandals.
> > > > 
> > > Thanks, I guess I'm finally ready to.
> > > > 
> > > > > But that thought is fading. And you're right, for me, SS
> > > > > wouldn't be enough to live on even in Costa Rica...
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Jul 18, 2011, at 9:50 PM, authfriend wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Jul 18, 2011, at 4:18 PM, Mark Landau wrote:
> > > > > > > > At sixty-five, I have very little savings and have lost my job. 
> > > > > > > > I was planning to work into my seventies. My predicament forces 
> > > > > > > > me to attempt to sell them. I am hoping that the person they 
> > > > > > > > are meant to go to will have the wherewithal and will to honor 
> > > > > > > > their value. As 108 for over four years, I spent around $100K 
> > > > > > > > working for the movement pretty much seven days a week (when 
> > > > > > > > not rounding). As 108s, we weren't paid, paid $1000 a month "so 
> > > > > > > > as not to be a financial drain on the movement," and paid all 
> > > > > > > > our own travel (and sometimes other) expenses. Small amounts 
> > > > > > > > will not be considered.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Another possibility is donating to me so I can donate them to 
> > > > > > > > the movement.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Mark, this sounds familiar. Didn't you try 
> > > > > > > selling them here a few years back? Did 
> > > > > > > you ever try the suggestions about ebay? Sorry
> > > > > > > to hear you're in such dire circumstances, but I 
> > > > > > > am failing to see what the sale of the sandals, even
> > > > > > > if they were to bring in, say, $1000,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "Even if"? You have to be kidding. He just said "small
> > > > > > amounts will not be considered." He wants, and should
> > > > > > get, many times $1,000. If I were him, if he hasn't
> > > > > > already, I'd check out auction houses that deal in
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[danfriedman2002]

This is now the second instance where the facts provided by this non-Member are 
questioned.

Rick, wouldn't it just make more sense to provide attribution? Do your Sources 
need to be protected?

More transparency, please.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From a friend (with apologies to Dan Friendman):
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Dear Rick
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  MMY had several sets of sandals made for him over the years.  Mark's were
> > not the original set.  Helen Lutes had a set of sandals that M left behind
> > when new ones came as did a few others.  
> > 
> > Mark had the sandals M used during that time period.  But they were not the
> > first set.
> 
> So what ?
> 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Five million?  
> > 
> > Should be careful making personal gain from a holy man's belongings. 
> 
> 
> That's complete nonsense. Who told you this, and why do you believe in this ? 
> Don't you have an opinion of your own ?
>  
> 
> > Bevan has some rules about that and if Mark connects to Rajas he may come
> > across those rules. We had some items and ran into the rules. Nothing
> > happened as a result.
> 
> 
> Never heard of these rules, what I know is that the TMO wants to be in 
> control of the Knowledge. Including knowledge of potential relics. If not 
> anyone could start selling, say deeskins which could turn out to be shot last 
> year.
> 
> I'm pretty sure Maharishi would be very happy to hear that one of his boys 
> made a fortune.
> 
> 
> > 
> > I think the rules come from MMY.
> 
> 
> That's what you  t h i n k  ! 
> Perhaps you should trandscend more and think less.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Sure, Judy, you're correct, FOR NOW, but the number of devotees is seemingly 
> dwindling alarmingly, and I say, "get a good price while the gettin's good."  
> 
> Twenty years from now, when all the rich folks have been fleeced so many 
> times that there's no sucker left to rip off, these sandals will be in some 
> lonely box of a devotee in the back of a closet that will only be cleaned out 
> upon the death of the owner and then tossed in the trash in a box labeled 
> "some TM shit Dad had."  I have just such a collection of TM memorabilia, and 
> I'll bet you do too.  I fully expect my stuff to be tossed out when I die.  
> In fact, I've already tossed out most of it.

So, if the funding is found to teach 1 million kids in the City of Rio de 
Janeiro alone, will you reconsider that the number of "devotees" is seemingly 
dwindling alarmingly?? Mind you, most TMers never qualified as devotees, but 
even if only 1% do, then its a given that someone somewhere will pay a pretty 
penny for MMY's sandals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abiOrpuHQ5s

L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[danfriedman2002]

Rick,

Here's the first instance where the facts need to be questioned because there 
was no attribution of the source.

Can't you provide your Sources?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Mark Landau
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 12:47 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> Thank you for this.  Truth is always the best.  So they are not as rare as I
> had thought, but, still, I believe, quite rare and, to many, quite precious.
> And, yes, the rules will probably get in the way for many, though I would be
> surprised if they actually came from M.  So somewhere between 5 million and
> 0.  Who knows what will come of this?
> 
> I suppose if he could fly under the radar, some raja may say "Damn the
> rules; I want the sandals."
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[danfriedman2002]

Rick,

There is no apology necessary, but I do suggest attributing the friend's name. 
Then there's a record of who said what to whom. Just like on a Public Forum.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From a friend (with apologies to Dan Friendman):
> 
>  
> 
> Dear Rick
> 
>  
> 
>  MMY had several sets of sandals made for him over the years.  Mark's were
> not the original set.  Helen Lutes had a set of sandals that M left behind
> when new ones came as did a few others.  
> 
> Mark had the sandals M used during that time period.  But they were not the
> first set.
> 
>  
> 
> Five million?  
> 
> Should be careful making personal gain from a holy man's belongings.  
> 
>  
> 
> Bevan has some rules about that and if Mark connects to Rajas he may come
> across those rules. We had some items and ran into the rules. Nothing
> happened as a result.
> 
> I think the rules come from MMY.
> 
>  
> 
> Perhaps Mark should try Craig's list instead.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > What would TM cost if there were no rock stars or Hollywood types 
> > > promoting it, nabby?
> > 
> > 
> > I don't know. Do you ?
> >
> A hypothetical here: 
> A suggested retail price could be $400.00 per person. Four days of 
> instruction (breaks down to a 100.00 a day per student). 
> The  TM teacher makes the bulk for his time. One hundred goes to the movement 
> to further local advertising using famed named foundations as promotion, 
> because the famed named write their promoting off anyways and get to promote 
> themselves as do-gooders too, which in turn interests or keeps people's 
> interest on the famed named creative products.. Corporate or bulk pricing for 
> institutions can ask for more if the companies or institutions pay for the 
> instruction because there is always red tape to bundle and rip through to 
> better a group much larger than individuals paying alone. Normal business 
> sense. 
> How does that sound, nabby? Please report this to the higher ups as a 
> suggestion. : )
>

Well, actually, the David Lynch Foundation gets a sweetheart deal of $600 per 
student, all of which goes to the TM teacher. THis pays for the TM teacher's 
time as a teacher, room and board, center rent, etc., as well as the 1 year 
official followup that is provided through the DLF's Quiet Time program.

L

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> 
> > I may be the odd one out here, but the idea of buying someone's  
> > ratty, sweaty, old footwear kinda grosses me out. I would no more  
> > want MMY's old sandals than Mario Batali's old orange Crocs.
> 
> 
> Yeah, it just doesn't synch with the western mindset. If the Goddess  
> appeared to an East Indian in a vision, the Indian would  
> automatically bow at their feet; an American would ask for her  
> autograph.
>

So, if the Virgin Mary appears to a ROman Catholic, you don't think the respond 
with anything more than "gee, can I have your autograph?"

L

[FairfieldLife] Re: Summer - food porn (with a few revisions)

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> I'm gunna talk Summer. Steamy hot, makes every fragrant thing rise
> into your nose like Jesus's mom ascending into heaven, Summer.
> 
> It started yesterday when I stuck my nose into a box of white Virgina
> peaches at a farmer's market. The smell was intoxicating as every 
> perfectly ripe fruit rose up and greeted me with the perfume of 
> Summer. For me trips to this market are church. It is a communion 
> with the season and nothing smells as good as the things in a 
> farmer's market in the steamy season. I'm a fan of all the seasons
> and each has its foodie charms. But for take-your-clothes-off and pour a 
> pitcher of lemonade mixed with ice tea all over your body 
> (here you will have to put in the type of body you would like to
> see this drink streaming down)naked sensual joy, nothing beats 
> Summer. It's the heat baby.
> 
> I have my Summer rituals. I plant a container garden of herbs with 12
> kinds of Basil from all over the world. (Yeah, I'm bragging here.)
> I go out and grab a handful of whatever I touch first when I cook in
> the Summer. This is key because I am an heirloom tomato fanatic. 
> Thwarted by a lack of enough sun to grow my own, I fork over a
> percentage of my income each week to stay stocked up. I found this olive oil 
> with a harvest date on it in Whole Foods, Prima something
> which costs as much as a bottle of good bourbon. It is worth it 
> because when you pour it on the sliced tomatoes it also rises up to 
> meet your nose. The fresher the better with white wines and olive 
> oil. That's how I roll. Then I shower the tomato slices with
> too much basil. I say too much because I am not subtle about this. I 
> am basil rich and I revel in it. Salt, pepper and here comes the
> airplane into the hanger. That is a magical combination that only 
> comes together at this time of year. You can't do it in the Winter.
> That green basil substitute they grow in greenhouses can't hold a 
> candle to the sharp flavor of the tiny leaves on my Greek Basil. And 
> if you had to ask about the tomatoes you wouldn't have read
> this far.
> 
> I associate eggplant with this season. I layer them with perorino and
> mozzarella with vadalia onions and slices of stale bread that the 
> Tuscans use as an ingredient in lots of dishes. Sometimes I sacrifice
> some tomatoes and of course shower each layer with olive oil and 
> fresh marjoram, oregano and basil. (Again not subtle, I want to taste 
> them!) I might pour a can of crushed tomatoes over the top before 
> topping it all with cheese. Bake it hot 400 to brown the edges in a 
> glass pan. I want to see brown when I open the oven 30-40
> minutes later. Let it set a bit and then carve away and let it wash 
> over the plate because waiting didn't set it up as you hoped, it is 
> one glorious mess. You can throw it on top of pasta if you want. Top 
> with the best olive oil you can find Mario Battali style and some 
> more fresh basil leaves and inhale. I mean breath baby, this is
> Summer so fill your lungs.
> 
> I bought two kinds of corn, one white delicate and sweet and one 
> mixed white and yellow on each cob which is not as sweet but has a
> butteriness to it. I eat one of each alternating bites. Each has been
> blessed with olive oil and salt and fresh ground pepper. I know the 
> purists eat it with nothing and some people eat it with butter, which
> I love too. But I usually stock fantastic Irish butters in the Winter when I 
> am craving heavier food so I don't have butter around in the Summer too 
> often. I do have lard that I rendered myself but I would 
> never be so indulgent to...oh man I am putting my lard butter on an 
> ear tonight. It comes from special pigs who live in the woods and
> have a great life and one bad day, just like the rest of us. Only 
> theirs is accomplished by a pro and we will have to make do with whatever 
> random crap comes our way to snuff out our life.
> 
> (Uncomfortable pause having alienated the vegetarians as well as 
> people who prefer their food porn without a dash of existential death
> reality check vinaigrette. Sorry.)
> 
> There are zukes and yellow squash including those funny ones that
> look like flying saucers and are firmer, have you seen them? You can
> put them in with the eggplant. But the money shot is the melons. Of
> course I am referring to lady's breasts pushing against the  
> gauze-like fabric of Summer dresses...wait...sorry, I actually mean
> melons this time. Cantaloup that you can smell right through
> their patterned skin and of course the only fruit accused of being 
> racist, watermelons. I prefer them with seeds because I am a snob and
> that goes against the yuppie trend for convenient everything. Plus my
> farmer's market owner claims they are sweeter cuz when you mess with
> genetics you get what you ask for and if you ask for no pits
> sometimes the sweet gene goes too. This is complet

[FairfieldLife] Murdoch apologizes!

[obbajeeba]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43778417/ns/world_news-europe/t/we-are-sorry-murdoch-takes-out-full-page-ad-uk-newspapers-apo

Tears for Fears had this right!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndYqlnewfz4

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)

[Denise Evans]

I don't think any of us can understand the reality of working with the current 
Republican leaders and corporate climate until we do ourselves - its brutal and 
it can kill you and the amount of energy required is beyond that of the 
administration.  They are wearing down and need an influx of energy from the 
general population who voted as working class Dems.  
I think that we are getting what we are asked for and the pain we feel is of 
our own making.  No politician is able to make good on the promises they make 
while campaigning - why even expect this.  He is still better than the 
alternative.  I am completely against "cutting spending" on certain things and 
I am completely for "higher and fairer taxes."  I  think Obama is wearing down 
and I suggest the Democratic population march on Washington in the millions and 
make their position known.  
Do check out The Last Mountain though - it really is good. 

--- On Tue, 7/19/11, authfriend  wrote:

From: authfriend 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and 
The Last Mountain)
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 19, 2011, 12:58 PM















 
 



  



  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans  wrote:



> In the context of our continued political system, it is

> easy to "blame Obama" while we whine and cry and call

> foul - where is the loyalty



"Where is the loyalty?" WHERE IS THE LOYALTY???



Where is *his* loyalty to Democratic principles??



Where is his loyalty to the sick, the poor, and the elderly?

He's advocating cutting Medicaid and Medicare and Social

Security, three of the bedrock concerns of the Democratic

Party.



> - do we forget so fast what a McCain/Palin administration

> might have looked like? Do we forget what 8 years of Bush

> and pandering to corporate america got us?



How can we forget when we're still seeing the very same

pandering?



> If you don't stand for something, you stand for nothing



That's Obama, all right.



Denise, you aren't paying attention to the *substance*

of the left's complaints against Obama. You're just

engaging in mindless cheerleading.



Are you even *aware* that there are many who think

cutting spending to reduce the deficit is the very *last*

thing we should be doing while the economy is still in

such bad shape?






 





 



  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: cognitive dissonance

[Bob Price]

Turq,

For some odd reason the yahoo hamster decided to deliver this post
from you from last Saturday, a few moments ago! I'm going to include it all 
below in case anyone else missed it. I like your idea about past lives being 
a possible factor in CD. 

My CD is a mixed bag. With some experiences I can't get
enough CD (positively encourage it) and with others I can 
deny faster than Bill wondering what the meaning of is is. 

The wife is ahead of me, she said: "no this does not 
necessarily mean you played professional basketball in a previous life".



From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 10:31:05 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: cognitive dissonance


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> Turq,
> >
> > Just to clarify, I'm referring to the whole
> > theory which I believe includes not just
> > the discomfort caused by the conflicting
> > ideas but the motivation people have
> > to use ways to reduce the discomfort.

Got it. Thanks for clarifying.

> > If you're correct, which I believe you are,
> > were does the predilection come from?
> > Is it nature or nurture or both? Are there
> > behaviours, say substance abuse, that 
> > push the predilection in one direction?

You know me. Unlike some here, I don't "know" shit.
I just speculate. My speculation is that it's a 
combination of both.

And I base this on a belief in reincarnation. Some
have 'paid their dues' along one path (sutra or
tantra) in the past, and thus nurture tends to
develop habits (samskaras) in them that cause them
to lean in one or the other direction. 

On the other hand, some seekers I've met tend to
glom onto a predilection from past lives, only to
find that it doesn't work for them in this one.
At that point they switch and start batting for
the other team (which is not a euphemism for 
turning gay, no matter what some will say). :-)
At that point, I think nature might be the pre-
dominant operative force. 

> > If you, Fitzgerald and my first paragraph above are
> > all correct would it be more accurate to say some people 
> > have less of a predilection to cognitive dissonance (CD)
> > (motivation to reduce the discomfort) than others
> > and are therefore more intelligent?

I'm really not comfortable with the "more intelligent/
less intelligent" thang. That's expressing things 
from a certain POV, as if that POV were "right." That,
the belief that one and only one POV can be "right," 
to continue my train of thought, is sutra. I really
am more comfortable with tantra. For those who swing
the sutra way, behaviors modeled on pat answers might 
make them more intelligent. For those who swing the 
tantra way, the *same* behavior might make them less 
intelligent. And vice versa. 

> > For me, one of the many interesting aspects of CD
> > are the various denial techniques some
> > people use to reduce the discomfort
> > and if this is another layer of the predilection
> > you described.

I think it "follows from" the predilection. If you're
a sutra kinda guy suddenly confronted with two contra-
dictory ideas and thus experiencing CD, you might tend
to react by trying to "make it go away," using denial
or other techniques for doing so. A more tantra kinda
guy, confronted with the *same* two contradictory 
ideas, might groove behind it and have no need to
do this. They might get off on juggling the two ideas,
keeping them both "in the air" at the same time.

In other words, one would experience CD and perceive 
it as "discomfort-making." The other might experience
the same CD and experience it as "comfort-making."

> From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 8:53:36 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: cognitive dissonance
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
> >
> > > I'm curious what everyone thinks is 
> > > the difference between cognitive
> > > dissonance ("people have a motivational 
> > > drive to reduce dissonance") and what 
> > > F. Scott Fitzgerald said: "the true test 
> > > of a first rate mind is the ability to hold 
> > > two contradictory ideas at the same time".
> 
> An excellent question, one of the best here in 
> some time. I would have to say that it probably
> depends -- as does so much else -- on predilection.
> 
> I think that for many people, possibly the majority,
> cognitive dissonance is perceived as uncomfortable,
> and thus the "rule" might be true. On the other hand,
> I thrive on cognitive dissonance; it defines for me
> some of the highest, most profound moments of my life. 
> I actually seek it, as much as I seek anything.
> 
> > > If the theory of cognitive dissonance
> > > and Fitzgerald are both right would
> > > that mean the natural tendency
> > > of the mind is to become less
> > > intelligent?
> 
> As stated above, I don't think that the "rule" is
> applicable to everyone. I honestly think it's a 
> matter of pre

[FairfieldLife] Attn: Mark Landau Re: Post Count

[Alex Stanley]

Hi Mark,

I notice that you are posting quite heavily today, and I just want to remind 
you that there is a posting limit of 50 posts per week on FFL, with the posting 
week ending on Saturdays at 00:00 UTC/GMT (Friday evening in the USA). Right 
now, you're up to 41 posts, and it's only Tuesday.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans  wrote:

> In the context of our continued political system, it is
> easy to "blame Obama" while we whine and cry and call
> foul - where is the loyalty

"Where is the loyalty?" WHERE IS THE LOYALTY???

Where is *his* loyalty to Democratic principles??

Where is his loyalty to the sick, the poor, and the elderly?
He's advocating cutting Medicaid and Medicare and Social
Security, three of the bedrock concerns of the Democratic
Party.

> - do we forget so fast what a McCain/Palin administration
> might have looked like? Do we forget what 8 years of Bush
> and pandering to corporate america got us?

How can we forget when we're still seeing the very same
pandering?

> If you don't stand for something, you stand for nothing

That's Obama, all right.

Denise, you aren't paying attention to the *substance*
of the left's complaints against Obama. You're just
engaging in mindless cheerleading.

Are you even *aware* that there are many who think
cutting spending to reduce the deficit is the very *last*
thing we should be doing while the economy is still in
such bad shape?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> So why do I take my shoes/sandals off? Why do I not expose 
> the soles of my feet as it's considered an insult? I want 
> to buy sandals Maharishi used? If he used toilet paper, 
> why wouldn't I want to buy that instead?

Low-vibe heretic. Have you never heard the phrase
"Holy shit?"

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Mark Landau]

Thank you, Curtis, I've enjoyed your spirit.  Ah yes, M stories.  Not sure I 
have the energy for that right now but, perhaps, over time.  The good ones 
would definitely take some writing time.

On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:14 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:

> You have been a good sport about letting us all join in the thought 
> experiment. None of my half baked ideas rise to the level of advice. I'm just 
> thinking out loud and sincerely hope you get a few motivated buyers trying to 
> outbid each other. It sounds like this is a difficult time for you and hope 
> you know that none of my humor is meant to be at your expense. And thanks for 
> clearing up my question about innocence. Aside from my natural ribald 
> tendencies with language I perform school shows where missing any innuendo 
> implications means you have lost them for the next 10 minutes. I always have 
> my Bevis and Butthead meter on high alert.
> 
> Would you care to share some stories with us about your personal time with 
> Maharishi? 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> >
> > So much advice, and now getting contradictory! This will definitely be a 
> > process. And, of course, as I was writing that reply I thought of the 
> > possible connotations, but just let it go at that. I never have thrust my 
> > feet in them. It didn't seem congruous with taking good care of them. Also, 
> > they're a bit small. And, of course, if the buyer wished to remain 
> > anonymous, I would totally honor that.
> > 
> > If I do sell them, and can, I will let you all know for how much. But if 
> > the buyer wants total blackout, I will have to honor that.
> > 
> > m
> > 
> > On Jul 19, 2011, at 12:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I did, n, and replied to you. Thank you, I do tend to agree with 
> > > > you, though, I must say, though probably shouldn't publicly, that I may 
> > > > be softening a bit on that. Perhaps you'll inspire me to harden up 
> > > > again...
> > > 
> > > Of course this got my attention, but I am going to skip my usual prurient 
> > > interest to discuss the cash.
> > > 
> > > The market for this item is highly restricted for a few reasons. The 
> > > group think mentality of the higher ups with their "rules" someone 
> > > mentioned about this sort of thing puts a downward pressure on the top 
> > > guys buying this item and being frowned upon by their uppity peers. You 
> > > don't know what affect this is going to have on your universe of possible 
> > > buyers and I believe puts Nabby's enthusiastic appraisal in the 
> > > unrealistic zone. My guess is that you are not going to retire on this 
> > > item and will be more likely to find that the end price is in the low 5 
> > > figures if it gets there at all.
> > > 
> > > Vaj's idea about Shri Ravi Shankar seems like the best idea yet with the 
> > > combination of deep dhoti pockets and the supporting belief necessary. 
> > > Plus he would basically be spending other people's donation money for 
> > > this luxury item so that might allow for a higher price. And he is 
> > > outside the shame zone of the believers with their old biddy gossip 
> > > circles and their lives premised on living within the boundaries of "It 
> > > would be good if..." 
> > > 
> > > Oh damn I really can't stand it anymore, I have to ask. Were you writing 
> > > that last line with complete innocence or were you giving us a bit of a 
> > > wink and a nudge? I mean a nudge is as good as a wink for a blind horse 
> > > if you catch my drift. Can there really be such innocence in this world? 
> > > Perhaps the sandals really have had an affect on you through the years. 
> > > I'm quite sure they would instantly incinerate if I thrust myself into 
> > > them...
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Jul 19, 2011, at 10:29 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Very few people knew about this till now, almost none of the Rajas. 
> > > > > > Yet again, I'm hoping that some of you here who may be in contact 
> > > > > > with appropriate people might forward my original email to them. 
> > > > > > Perhaps that won't work so well for this group... And I know there 
> > > > > > certainly aren't a ton of sandals out there. If I am right, there 
> > > > > > is the pair that I have from the time M left India or, at the most, 
> > > > > > one other pair from the 50s to the 70s that and then the two pair 
> > > > > > that I ordered for him that his family may have. And, perhaps, he 
> > > > > > only ended up using one of those two pair consistently. The sandals 
> > > > > > are well made and, I'm sure, last many years.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Did you see my post ? Don't sell them for under 1 mill$, 5 is better. 
> > > > > There are people out there with so much money 5 mill is peanuts.
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > >
> >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Tom Pall]

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:56 PM, nablusoss1008
 wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, Judy understands this, and, I'm sure, she's right about: Also possible 
>> they don't approve of Mark making money for his personal use from the sale 
>> of of the sandals.  for many of them.
>>
>> But again, prior to my emailing FFL, perhaps only 5-7 potential buyers knew. 
>>  From the sounds of it, so far, that number probably hasn't increased...
>
>
> That's complete nonsense. Maharishi wanted everyone to be happy, including 
> you. If someone objects that someone else uses his own money to buy these 
> sandals they are corrupt and useless. Send them to India.
>


So why do I take my shoes/sandals off?   Why do I not expose the soles
of my feet as it's considered an insult?   I want to buy sandals
Maharishi used?   If he used toilet paper, why wouldn't I want to buy
that instead?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Mark Landau]

I suppose the ideal would be a wealthy benefactor both saving my life and 
donating them to the TMO.  Eternal gratitude all around.  One Mother Divine 
Lady said:
If the sandals are purchased by Mother Divine, they will be installed either in 
Maharishi's room in Vlodrop, at the Brahmasthan, or in the Mahasamadhi Smarak, 
all of which would be glorious homes for them.
But then MD seemed to bow out, probably due to the reasons already mentioned.

> What does the TMO have that you want or need to make your future years 
> worthwhile? 
> 

Besides money, you got me...

On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:02 PM, mainstream20016 wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From a friend (with apologies to Dan Friendman):
> > 
> > Dear Rick
> > 
> > MMY had several sets of sandals made for him over the years. Mark's were
> > not the original set. Helen Lutes had a set of sandals that M left behind
> > when new ones came as did a few others. 
> > 
> > Mark had the sandals M used during that time period. But they were not the
> > first set.
> > 
> > Five million? 
> > 
> > Should be careful making personal gain from a holy man's belongings. 
> > 
> > Bevan has some rules about that and if Mark connects to Rajas he may come
> > across those rules. We had some items and ran into the rules. Nothing
> > happened as a result.
> > 
> > I think the rules come from MMY.
> > 
> > Perhaps Mark should try Craig's list instead.
> >
> 
> I envision Bevan as emcee stoking the well-heeled to donate vast sums toward 
> a museum at MMY's pyre site in India to showcase MMY's artifacts (a memorial 
> building to MMY is under construction there). The best return to John Landau 
> from parting with Maharishi's sandals might well be had by donating the 
> sandals to such a cause. The beneficent effect of donation increases the 
> value of Maharishi's sandals and the other items that were vaguely mentioned 
> above. "Bevan has some rules".means that private transactions are deeply 
> frowned upon. John, a donation of Maharishi's sandals could mean much to the 
> TMO. What does the TMO have that you want or need to make your future years 
> worthwhile? 
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Bill Clinton has the Answer to the Debt Ceiling

[John]

Obama should keep the option of raising the debt ceiling without Congressional 
approval.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/bill-clinton-advocates-constitutional-option-debt-ceiling-132253374.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: cognitive dissonance

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

> I think it "follows from" the predilection. If you're
> a sutra kinda guy suddenly confronted with two contra-
> dictory ideas and thus experiencing CD, you might tend
> to react by trying to "make it go away," using denial
> or other techniques for doing so. A more tantra kinda
> guy, confronted with the *same* two contradictory 
> ideas, might groove behind it and have no need to
> do this. They might get off on juggling the two ideas,
> keeping them both "in the air" at the same time.
> 
> In other words, one would experience CD and perceive 
> it as "discomfort-making." The other might experience
> the same CD and experience it as "comfort-making."

Just a reminder: When confronted with the notion of no
free will, acceptance of which requires holding two
contradictory ideas, Barry became *very* uncomfortable.
He did his damndest, in at least a dozen posts spread
over several weeks, to "make it (his cognitive dissonance)
go away" with a whole host of denial techniques, one of
which was to demonize those who *do* lean toward no free
will by accusing us of--wait for it--holding two
contradictory ideas.

Whereas we--whom he would portray as "sutra kinda guys"--
were perfectly comfortable with the contradiction.

Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] conflict in fiction

[Bob Price]

I'm curious what everyone thinks 
>about conflict in fiction. If anyone 
>is interested, could you post your
>thoughts in a one line movie pitch?
>
>
>To set it up, imagine a scenario 
>where you are a movie producer
>in Hollywood. You have been 
>developing a project for five
>years and if you can attach 
>Matt Damon as your lead
>the project will be "green lit".
>
>
>In this scenario you arrive for a
>meeting with Patrick Whitesell-
>Matt Damon's agent at WME.
>You were able to secure the meeting
>because your girlfriend is Mr. Whitesell's dentist.   
>
>
>Mr. Whitesell is not happy to see you
>but he has some dental work he needs done.
>He says: "You have 45 seconds, whats the conflict?"
>
>
>You can make your project a comedy or a thriller.
>
>
>An example of  a pitch for a comedy or a thriller
>might be:
>
>
>"Are you interested in a story about a free speech advocate
>who gets a visit from Homeland Security because Al Jazeera was 
>mentioned on a forum he moderates?"  

[FairfieldLife] Re: cognitive dissonance

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> Turq,
> >
> > Just to clarify, I'm referring to the whole
> > theory which I believe includes not just
> > the discomfort caused by the conflicting
> > ideas but the motivation people have
> > to use ways to reduce the discomfort.

Got it. Thanks for clarifying.

> > If you're correct, which I believe you are,
> > were does the predilection come from?
> > Is it nature or nurture or both? Are there
> > behaviours, say substance abuse, that 
> > push the predilection in one direction?

You know me. Unlike some here, I don't "know" shit.
I just speculate. My speculation is that it's a 
combination of both.

And I base this on a belief in reincarnation. Some
have 'paid their dues' along one path (sutra or
tantra) in the past, and thus nurture tends to
develop habits (samskaras) in them that cause them
to lean in one or the other direction. 

On the other hand, some seekers I've met tend to
glom onto a predilection from past lives, only to
find that it doesn't work for them in this one.
At that point they switch and start batting for
the other team (which is not a euphemism for 
turning gay, no matter what some will say). :-)
At that point, I think nature might be the pre-
dominant operative force. 

> > If you, Fitzgerald and my first paragraph above are
> > all correct would it be more accurate to say some people 
> > have less of a predilection to cognitive dissonance (CD)
> > (motivation to reduce the discomfort) than others
> > and are therefore more intelligent?

I'm really not comfortable with the "more intelligent/
less intelligent" thang. That's expressing things 
from a certain POV, as if that POV were "right." That,
the belief that one and only one POV can be "right," 
to continue my train of thought, is sutra. I really
am more comfortable with tantra. For those who swing
the sutra way, behaviors modeled on pat answers might 
make them more intelligent. For those who swing the 
tantra way, the *same* behavior might make them less 
intelligent. And vice versa. 

> > For me, one of the many interesting aspects of CD
> > are the various denial techniques some
> > people use to reduce the discomfort
> > and if this is another layer of the predilection
> > you described.

I think it "follows from" the predilection. If you're
a sutra kinda guy suddenly confronted with two contra-
dictory ideas and thus experiencing CD, you might tend
to react by trying to "make it go away," using denial
or other techniques for doing so. A more tantra kinda
guy, confronted with the *same* two contradictory 
ideas, might groove behind it and have no need to
do this. They might get off on juggling the two ideas,
keeping them both "in the air" at the same time.

In other words, one would experience CD and perceive 
it as "discomfort-making." The other might experience
the same CD and experience it as "comfort-making."


> From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 8:53:36 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: cognitive dissonance
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
> >
> > > I'm curious what everyone thinks is 
> > > the difference between cognitive
> > > dissonance ("people have a motivational 
> > > drive to reduce dissonance") and what 
> > > F. Scott Fitzgerald said: "the true test 
> > > of a first rate mind is the ability to hold 
> > > two contradictory ideas at the same time".
> 
> An excellent question, one of the best here in 
> some time. I would have to say that it probably
> depends -- as does so much else -- on predilection.
> 
> I think that for many people, possibly the majority,
> cognitive dissonance is perceived as uncomfortable,
> and thus the "rule" might be true. On the other hand,
> I thrive on cognitive dissonance; it defines for me
> some of the highest, most profound moments of my life. 
> I actually seek it, as much as I seek anything.
> 
> > > If the theory of cognitive dissonance
> > > and Fitzgerald are both right would
> > > that mean the natural tendency
> > > of the mind is to become less
> > > intelligent?
> 
> As stated above, I don't think that the "rule" is
> applicable to everyone. I honestly think it's a 
> matter of predilection; some are comfortable with
> sutra ("Every question is the perfect opportunity
> for the answer he have already prepared") and others
> are more comfortable with tantra ("WTF? Wow, that's
> kinda neat!"). 
> 
> Cognitive dissonance may make the former "less intel-
> ligent," but the latter "more intelligent."
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Mark Landau]

Thank you, Nabby, good advice.

On Jul 19, 2011, at 12:33 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> >
> > So much advice, and now getting contradictory! 
> 
> Don't worry about it, you are a newcomer here. The rest of us knows that a 
> few people on this forum are drawn to creating confusion amongst TM'ers. Some 
> for leisure, some fanatical as if it is their vocation. Several of them has 
> already given you "advice" on this topic.
> 
> Relax, take it easy, and let Maharishi's blessing upon you slowly unfold.
> 
> This will definitely be a process. And, of course, as I was writing that 
> reply I thought of the possible connotations, but just let it go at that. I 
> never have thrust my feet in them. It didn't seem congruous with taking good 
> care of them. Also, they're a bit small. And, of course, if the buyer wished 
> to remain anonymous, I would totally honor that.
> > 
> > If I do sell them, and can, I will let you all know for how much. But if 
> > the buyer wants total blackout, I will have to honor that.
> > 
> > m
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[curtisdeltablues]

You have been a good sport about letting us all join in the thought experiment. 
 None of my half baked ideas rise to the level of advice.  I'm just thinking 
out loud and sincerely hope you get a few motivated buyers trying to outbid 
each other.  It sounds like this is a difficult time for you and hope you know 
that none of my humor is meant to be at your expense.  And thanks for clearing 
up my question about innocence. Aside from my natural ribald tendencies with 
language I perform school shows where missing any innuendo implications means 
you have lost them for the next 10 minutes.  I always have my Bevis and 
Butthead meter on high alert.

Would you care to share some stories with us about your personal time with 
Maharishi?  





 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
>
> So much advice, and now getting contradictory!  This will definitely be a 
> process.  And, of course, as I was writing that reply I thought of the 
> possible connotations, but just let it go at that.  I never have thrust my 
> feet in them.  It didn't seem congruous with taking good care of them.  Also, 
> they're a bit small.  And, of course, if the buyer wished to remain 
> anonymous, I would totally honor that.
> 
> If I do sell them, and can, I will let you all know for how much.  But if the 
> buyer wants total blackout, I will have to honor that.
> 
> m
> 
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 12:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, I did, n, and replied to you. Thank you, I do tend to agree with 
> > > you, though, I must say, though probably shouldn't publicly, that I may 
> > > be softening a bit on that. Perhaps you'll inspire me to harden up 
> > > again...
> > 
> > Of course this got my attention, but I am going to skip my usual prurient 
> > interest to discuss the cash.
> > 
> > The market for this item is highly restricted for a few reasons. The group 
> > think mentality of the higher ups with their "rules" someone mentioned 
> > about this sort of thing puts a downward pressure on the top guys buying 
> > this item and being frowned upon by their uppity peers. You don't know what 
> > affect this is going to have on your universe of possible buyers and I 
> > believe puts Nabby's enthusiastic appraisal in the unrealistic zone. My 
> > guess is that you are not going to retire on this item and will be more 
> > likely to find that the end price is in the low 5 figures if it gets there 
> > at all.
> > 
> > Vaj's idea about Shri Ravi Shankar seems like the best idea yet with the 
> > combination of deep dhoti pockets and the supporting belief necessary. Plus 
> > he would basically be spending other people's donation money for this 
> > luxury item so that might allow for a higher price. And he is outside the 
> > shame zone of the believers with their old biddy gossip circles and their 
> > lives premised on living within the boundaries of "It would be good if..." 
> > 
> > Oh damn I really can't stand it anymore, I have to ask. Were you writing 
> > that last line with complete innocence or were you giving us a bit of a 
> > wink and a nudge? I mean a nudge is as good as a wink for a blind horse if 
> > you catch my drift. Can there really be such innocence in this world? 
> > Perhaps the sandals really have had an affect on you through the years. I'm 
> > quite sure they would instantly incinerate if I thrust myself into them...
> > 
> > > 
> > > On Jul 19, 2011, at 10:29 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Very few people knew about this till now, almost none of the Rajas. 
> > > > > Yet again, I'm hoping that some of you here who may be in contact 
> > > > > with appropriate people might forward my original email to them. 
> > > > > Perhaps that won't work so well for this group... And I know there 
> > > > > certainly aren't a ton of sandals out there. If I am right, there is 
> > > > > the pair that I have from the time M left India or, at the most, one 
> > > > > other pair from the 50s to the 70s that and then the two pair that I 
> > > > > ordered for him that his family may have. And, perhaps, he only ended 
> > > > > up using one of those two pair consistently. The sandals are well 
> > > > > made and, I'm sure, last many years.
> > > > 
> > > > Did you see my post ? Don't sell them for under 1 mill$, 5 is better. 
> > > > There are people out there with so much money 5 mill is peanuts.
> > > > 
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)

[Bob Price]

Denise,

I always enjoy your thoughtful posts, Barry also.

For a little comic relief on boundless greed can I recommend: 

episode #233 

Smack My Bernanke Up

http://c-realmpodcast.podomatic.com/


if you are in a hurry fast forward to 32:28 to get the alien view





From: Denise Evans 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 11:37:13 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and 
The Last Mountain)


  
Thanks for posting this.  I agree with much of this and have for some time.  

I have also thought for some time that when the financial industry gambled away 
all the money in the most corrupt of ways that in no way should we have saved 
anything or anybody - if it would have taken down our global economies than so 
be it - lack of accountability hasn't been working for anyone.  The taxpayers 
saved corporate america and now we are paying the price - we already were 
paying the price, more of us were just brainwashed by our lifestyles. 

The natural consequence should have been allowed to happen in my opinion - it 
would have ushered in chaos and helped level the playing field and reset our 
value system. It would have helped clarify what is really going on and maybe 
spawn a revolution.  If I have to lose my house, start growing food, live in a 
tent and start working directly with others on basic survival than so be it - 
better than my life as a slave to corporate america and much better for the 
planet to have forced awareness in action. The collapse of our economy is our 
own damn fault - collectively.  

In the context of our continued political system, it is easy to "blame Obama" 
while we whine and cry and call foul - where is the loyalty - do we forget so 
fast what a McCain/Palin administration might have looked like?  Do we forget 
what 8 years of Bush and pandering to corporate america got us?  

If you don't stand for something, you stand for nothing and right now, we need 
to be throwing full support as citizens behind continued change and our 
president - I can't think of one person that would be better at this thankless 
job. There is no negotiating with the pathology of financial narcissism  - one 
has to play hard ball period - and considering what Obama faces and has faced, 
he has made unbelievable strides.  He has taken on corporate america and is the 
first to do this in recent decades; 2) he does have a moral compass (suggest 
reading Audience of Hope) 3) he continues the fight against all odds and with 
most of the middle class "wimping out" and hunkering down into a fear-based 
mentality and not understanding the larger picture.  Name one good political 
candidate on either side who could do better?  Thank God for Obama. 

On another topic - I saw The Last Mountain(top) movie this weekend. It is 
really excellent and addresses many political, policy, and human realities.

http://thelastmountainmovie.com/

This is also an excellent documentary on the Chauvet cave paintings in France 
and brings to the forefront other interesting issues such as how the connection 
to nature and the planet has so changed in our species as we continue to head 
down the path of separation.

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/chauvet/ 




--- On Mon, 7/18/11, Bhairitu  wrote:


>From: Bhairitu 
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Monday, July 18, 2011, 8:16 PM
>
>
>  
>Sort of sums up what I've been saying for awhile:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D71aiYq7jeM
>
>And Bucky Fuller said it 50 years ago.  The establishment will just not 
>relinquish control so that humanity can move forward.  They'd rather go 
>down like a sinking ship.
>
> 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[mainstream20016]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From a friend (with apologies to Dan Friendman):
> 
> Dear Rick
> 
>  MMY had several sets of sandals made for him over the years.  Mark's were
> not the original set.  Helen Lutes had a set of sandals that M left behind
> when new ones came as did a few others.  
> 
> Mark had the sandals M used during that time period.  But they were not the
> first set.
>  
> Five million?  
> 
> Should be careful making personal gain from a holy man's belongings.  
>  
> Bevan has some rules about that and if Mark connects to Rajas he may come
> across those rules. We had some items and ran into the rules. Nothing
> happened as a result.
> 
> I think the rules come from MMY.
>  
> Perhaps Mark should try Craig's list instead.
>

I envision Bevan as emcee stoking the well-heeled to donate vast sums toward a 
museum at MMY's pyre site in India to showcase MMY's artifacts (a memorial 
building to MMY is under construction there).  The best return to John Landau 
from parting with Maharishi's sandals might well be had by donating the sandals 
to such a cause.  The beneficent effect of donation increases the value of 
Maharishi's sandals and the other items that were vaguely mentioned above.   
"Bevan has some rules".means that private transactions are deeply frowned 
upon.John, a donation of Maharishi's sandals could mean much to the TMO.  
What does the TMO have that you want or need to make your future years 
worthwhile? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped (and The Last Mountain)

[Denise Evans]

Thanks for posting this.  I agree with much of this and have for some time.  
I have also thought for some time that when the financial industry gambled away 
all the money in the most corrupt of ways that in no way should we have saved 
anything or anybody - if it would have taken down our global economies than so 
be it - lack of accountability hasn't been working for anyone.  The taxpayers 
saved corporate america and now we are paying the price - we already were 
paying the price, more of us were just brainwashed by our lifestyles. 
The natural consequence should have been allowed to happen in my opinion - it 
would have ushered in chaos and helped level the playing field and reset our 
value system. It would have helped clarify what is really going on and maybe 
spawn a revolution.  If I have to lose my house, start growing food, live in a 
tent and start working directly with others on basic survival than so be it - 
better than my life as a slave to corporate america and much better for the 
planet to have forced awareness in action. The collapse of our economy is our 
own damn fault - collectively.  
In the context of our continued political system, it is easy to "blame Obama" 
while we whine and cry and call foul - where is the loyalty - do we forget so 
fast what a McCain/Palin administration might have looked like?  Do we forget 
what 8 years of Bush and pandering to corporate america got us?  
If you don't stand for something, you stand for nothing and right now, we need 
to be throwing full support as citizens behind continued change and our 
president - I can't think of one person that would be better at this thankless 
job. There is no negotiating with the pathology of financial narcissism  - one 
has to play hard ball period - and considering what Obama faces and has faced, 
he has made unbelievable strides.  He has taken on corporate america and is the 
first to do this in recent decades; 2) he does have a moral compass (suggest 
reading Audience of Hope) 3) he continues the fight against all odds and with 
most of the middle class "wimping out" and hunkering down into a fear-based 
mentality and not understanding the larger picture.  Name one good political 
candidate on either side who could do better?  Thank God for Obama. 
On another topic - I saw The Last Mountain(top) movie this weekend. It is 
really excellent and addresses many political, policy, and human realities.
http://thelastmountainmovie.com/
This is also an excellent documentary on the Chauvet cave paintings in France 
and brings to the forefront other interesting issues such as how the connection 
to nature and the planet has so changed in our species as we continue to head 
down the path of separation.
http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/chauvet/ 



--- On Mon, 7/18/11, Bhairitu  wrote:

From: Bhairitu 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Economic Collapse -- why it won't be stopped
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 18, 2011, 8:16 PM















 
 



  



  
  
  Sort of sums up what I've been saying for awhile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D71aiYq7jeM



And Bucky Fuller said it 50 years ago.  The establishment will just not 

relinquish control so that humanity can move forward.  They'd rather go 

down like a sinking ship.






 





 



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
>
> So much advice, and now getting contradictory!  


Don't worry about it, you are a newcomer here. The rest of us knows that a few 
people on this forum are drawn to creating confusion amongst TM'ers. Some for 
leisure, some fanatical as if it is their vocation. Several of them has already 
given you "advice" on this topic.

Relax, take it easy, and let Maharishi's blessing upon you slowly unfold.


This will definitely be a process.  And, of course, as I was writing that reply 
I thought of the possible connotations, but just let it go at that.  I never 
have thrust my feet in them.  It didn't seem congruous with taking good care of 
them.  Also, they're a bit small.  And, of course, if the buyer wished to 
remain anonymous, I would totally honor that.
> 
> If I do sell them, and can, I will let you all know for how much.  But if the 
> buyer wants total blackout, I will have to honor that.
> 
> m

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sour grapes (was cognitive dissonance)

[turquoiseb]

Well, if Leon had said this to me, I might have replied, "Leon, baby,
'sour grapes' only applies to those who have never tasted the grapes."

"What if some of the people hearing descriptions of these '#1 exper-
iences' are speaking up because they've had those experiences, too.
And what these other wankers are saying about their experience
doesn't match their own experience. And what if part of the issue
is that how these other wankers are acting while claiming to have
had these experiences doesn't match our experience of how people
would really act after having experienced something like that?"

I'd then follow up by saying, "By the way, were you really the 'Leon'
of 'Leon The Professional' fame? You kinda have the 'tude of a hit
man. So how was Natalie Portman to work with at age 13. Must've
been a trip, eh?"

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
>
> No, this is not a post about "Maharishi's sandals", pretending to
be something else!
> Â
> Although if the sandal was on the other foot  (sorry about that)
and Maharishi had aÂ
> pair of Marks old sandals with the, made in the shade, market there
must be for
> Maharishi relics I doubt if my former master would need to ask anyone
on thisÂ
> forum how to monetize such a rare item. On the other hand, if
Maharishi saw the thread on this postÂ
> he might say: "thank the gods for the 50 post rule"!
>
> Sour grapes (was cognitive dissonance)
>
> I hope this will be my last post about cognitive dissonance (CD). I
figure if I can getÂ
> some answers to this question I'll have both hemispheres firing and I
can move on
> to the FFL script we're working on or better yet my first "Zombie in
My Gas Tank"
> interview.
>
> Preamble
>
> If  Leon Festinger (major cognitive dissonance thinker) were
to say to me:
> "you and Fitzgerald are full of crap. The theory does not include some
people
> being better at sustaining the discomfort caused by holding twoÂ
> conflicting ideas in the mind at one time. The theory states that
people (as in all)
> have a motivational drive to reduce the dissonance (discomfort)
and employ
> techniques (primarily denial) to reduce the discomfort.
>
> Question:
>
> If Leon said this to me and Ravi and Nabby over heard him, could they
truthfully say:
> "Exactly, which means all the wankers on FFL that question #1
experiences
> are actually just too un-evolved to have realized experiences
and employ CD
> denial techniques to -not unlike the fox with sour grapes in Aesops
fable, rationalize
>  their ignorance".
>
> Please see the third paragraph at this link:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Mark Landau]

So much advice, and now getting contradictory!  This will definitely be a 
process.  And, of course, as I was writing that reply I thought of the possible 
connotations, but just let it go at that.  I never have thrust my feet in them. 
 It didn't seem congruous with taking good care of them.  Also, they're a bit 
small.  And, of course, if the buyer wished to remain anonymous, I would 
totally honor that.

If I do sell them, and can, I will let you all know for how much.  But if the 
buyer wants total blackout, I will have to honor that.

m

On Jul 19, 2011, at 12:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I did, n, and replied to you. Thank you, I do tend to agree with you, 
> > though, I must say, though probably shouldn't publicly, that I may be 
> > softening a bit on that. Perhaps you'll inspire me to harden up again...
> 
> Of course this got my attention, but I am going to skip my usual prurient 
> interest to discuss the cash.
> 
> The market for this item is highly restricted for a few reasons. The group 
> think mentality of the higher ups with their "rules" someone mentioned about 
> this sort of thing puts a downward pressure on the top guys buying this item 
> and being frowned upon by their uppity peers. You don't know what affect this 
> is going to have on your universe of possible buyers and I believe puts 
> Nabby's enthusiastic appraisal in the unrealistic zone. My guess is that you 
> are not going to retire on this item and will be more likely to find that the 
> end price is in the low 5 figures if it gets there at all.
> 
> Vaj's idea about Shri Ravi Shankar seems like the best idea yet with the 
> combination of deep dhoti pockets and the supporting belief necessary. Plus 
> he would basically be spending other people's donation money for this luxury 
> item so that might allow for a higher price. And he is outside the shame zone 
> of the believers with their old biddy gossip circles and their lives premised 
> on living within the boundaries of "It would be good if..." 
> 
> Oh damn I really can't stand it anymore, I have to ask. Were you writing that 
> last line with complete innocence or were you giving us a bit of a wink and a 
> nudge? I mean a nudge is as good as a wink for a blind horse if you catch my 
> drift. Can there really be such innocence in this world? Perhaps the sandals 
> really have had an affect on you through the years. I'm quite sure they would 
> instantly incinerate if I thrust myself into them...
> 
> > 
> > On Jul 19, 2011, at 10:29 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Very few people knew about this till now, almost none of the Rajas. Yet 
> > > > again, I'm hoping that some of you here who may be in contact with 
> > > > appropriate people might forward my original email to them. Perhaps 
> > > > that won't work so well for this group... And I know there certainly 
> > > > aren't a ton of sandals out there. If I am right, there is the pair 
> > > > that I have from the time M left India or, at the most, one other pair 
> > > > from the 50s to the 70s that and then the two pair that I ordered for 
> > > > him that his family may have. And, perhaps, he only ended up using one 
> > > > of those two pair consistently. The sandals are well made and, I'm 
> > > > sure, last many years.
> > > 
> > > Did you see my post ? Don't sell them for under 1 mill$, 5 is better. 
> > > There are people out there with so much money 5 mill is peanuts.
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
>
> Yes, I did, n, and replied to you.  Thank you, I do tend to agree with you, 
> though, I must say, though probably shouldn't publicly, that I may be 
> softening a bit on that.  Perhaps you'll inspire me to harden up again...


Of course this got my attention, but I am going to skip my usual prurient 
interest to discuss the cash.

The market for this item is highly restricted for a few reasons.  The group 
think mentality of the higher ups with their "rules" someone mentioned about 
this sort of thing puts a downward pressure on the top guys buying this item 
and being frowned upon by their uppity peers.  You don't know what affect this 
is going to have on your universe of possible buyers and I believe puts Nabby's 
enthusiastic appraisal in the unrealistic zone.  My guess is that you are not 
going to retire on this item and will be more likely to find that the end price 
is in the low 5 figures if it gets there at all.

Vaj's idea about Shri Ravi Shankar seems like the best idea yet with the 
combination of deep dhoti pockets and the supporting belief necessary. Plus he 
would basically be spending other people's donation money for this luxury item 
so that might allow for a higher price.  And he is outside the shame zone of 
the believers with their old biddy gossip circles and their lives premised on 
living within the boundaries of "It would be good if..." 

Oh damn I really can't stand it anymore, I have to ask.  Were you writing that 
last line with complete innocence or were you giving us a bit of a wink and a 
nudge?  I mean a nudge is as good as a wink for a blind horse if you catch my 
drift.  Can there really be such innocence in this world?  Perhaps the sandals 
really have had an affect on you through the years.  I'm quite sure they would 
instantly incinerate if I thrust myself into them...






> 
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 10:29 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > >
> > > Very few people knew about this till now, almost none of the Rajas. Yet 
> > > again, I'm hoping that some of you here who may be in contact with 
> > > appropriate people might forward my original email to them. Perhaps that 
> > > won't work so well for this group... And I know there certainly aren't a 
> > > ton of sandals out there. If I am right, there is the pair that I have 
> > > from the time M left India or, at the most, one other pair from the 50s 
> > > to the 70s that and then the two pair that I ordered for him that his 
> > > family may have. And, perhaps, he only ended up using one of those two 
> > > pair consistently. The sandals are well made and, I'm sure, last many 
> > > years.
> > 
> > Did you see my post ? Don't sell them for under 1 mill$, 5 is better. There 
> > are people out there with so much money 5 mill is peanuts.
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Mark Landau
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 12:47 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> Thank you for this.  Truth is always the best.  So they are not as rare as I
> had thought, but, still, I believe, quite rare and, to many, quite precious.
> And, yes, the rules will probably get in the way for many, though I would be
> surprised if they actually came from M.  So somewhere between 5 million and
> 0.  Who knows what will come of this?
> 

> I suppose if he could fly under the radar, some raja may say "Damn the
> rules; I want the sandals."

Correct !

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Vaj, I'll see about letting Michael know.

Ravi Shankar is an indian. He will not pay anything even close to the real 
price of anything. Forget about him. Focus instead on getting the word out to 
as many as possible. Have good pictures done for this purpose. Keep the sandals 
in a vault in the bank in case Vaj knows your adress :-)

Sooner or later this information will reach the right kind of fabously wealthy 
american devotee.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Mark Landau]

Thank you so much, Alex.  This is the kind of thing I was hoping would happen.

One other thing about the Rajas.  I did have one or two of their email 
addresses but was holding off till I heard from the select 5-7 people who knew. 
 Sal seems to have been right about them, because I didn't hear back from any 
of them.  Perhaps if they had heard from me as Judy suggested, the result would 
have been different.  Someone mentioned Howard Settle way back when and I meant 
to reply to that.  He is also one of those 5-7.

On Jul 19, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> >
> > Thank you, cdb, I would let the Zimmermans know, if I knew how.
> 
> I have forwarded your original post to my brother, Raja Tom Stanley, and to 
> Petra, my lovely bride, who is an MUM trustee and who can pass it on to the 
> types of people who might be interested.
> 
> 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Landau
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 12:47 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

 

  

Thank you for this.  Truth is always the best.  So they are not as rare as I
had thought, but, still, I believe, quite rare and, to many, quite precious.
And, yes, the rules will probably get in the way for many, though I would be
surprised if they actually came from M.  So somewhere between 5 million and
0.  Who knows what will come of this?

I suppose if he could fly under the radar, some raja may say "Damn the
rules; I want the sandals."

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Mark Landau]

Thank you, O

On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:35 AM, obbajeeba wrote:

> For an auction, place a reserve on it. If it does not gain to a reasonable 
> asking price, then you get your item back. Bids start at $ . Get the 
> reserve in writing and maybe even notarized, witnessed even have a lawyer 
> draw up a contract, if you auction those Sandals. Nabby is correct about 
> someone buying it for less, then selling it at a higher price. Under no 
> circumstance send or give the Sandals to anyone who plans on helping you sell 
> them, even a known outfit, unless you had an attorney be part of it. 
> It can turn into a nightmare with inside buyers. Avoid online auctions, for 
> this reason. I know people who attempted to place bids online for higher end 
> items and they were locked out and the only way to bid was online. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, an auction among the faithful But will such a thing ever happen?
> > 
> > 
> > An auction is no good, someone will just get it cheaply and resell with a 
> > huge profit. 
> > Those, few individuals, that could or wanted to pay 5 mill $ are out there 
> > somewhere. You just have to get the word out there that you have them. 
> > 
> > And then wait.
> >
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From a friend (with apologies to Dan Friendman):
> 
>  
> 
> Dear Rick
> 
>  
> 
>  MMY had several sets of sandals made for him over the years.  Mark's were
> not the original set.  Helen Lutes had a set of sandals that M left behind
> when new ones came as did a few others.  
> 
> Mark had the sandals M used during that time period.  But they were not the
> first set.

So what ?

> 
>  
> 
> Five million?  
> 
> Should be careful making personal gain from a holy man's belongings. 


That's complete nonsense. Who told you this, and why do you believe in this ? 
Don't you have an opinion of your own ?
 

> Bevan has some rules about that and if Mark connects to Rajas he may come
> across those rules. We had some items and ran into the rules. Nothing
> happened as a result.


Never heard of these rules, what I know is that the TMO wants to be in control 
of the Knowledge. Including knowledge of potential relics. If not anyone could 
start selling, say deeskins which could turn out to be shot last year.

I'm pretty sure Maharishi would be very happy to hear that one of his boys made 
a fortune.


> 
> I think the rules come from MMY.


That's what you  t h i n k  ! 
Perhaps you should trandscend more and think less.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Mark Landau]

Thanks, Vaj, I'll see about letting Michael know.

On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Vaj wrote:

> 
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:22 PM, Mark Landau wrote:
> 
>> Hmmm, yes, thank you, of course.  Does he really have a picture of M's feet 
>> on his altar?  I always thought of him as having split off to do his own 
>> thing, though I know he says that M blessed him in that.
> 
> 
> A former TM teacher who used to post here shared that when he was in India he 
> saw it personally. I would think such a thing would to be very precious to 
> SSRS, esp. now that MMY has passed. SSRS showed up at his teacher's funeral 
> to offer his respects, that's for certain.
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] cognitive dissonance

[Bob Price]

I'm curious what everyone thinks is 
>the difference between cognitive
>dissonance ("people have a motivational 
>drive to reduce dissonance") and what 
>F. Scott Fitzgerald said: "the true test 
>of a first rate mind is the ability to hold 
>two contradictory ideas at the same time".
>
>
>If the theory of cognitive dissonance
>and Fitzgerald are both right would
>that mean the natural tendency
>of the mind is to become less
>intelligent?
>
>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Mark Landau]

Thank you for this.  Truth is always the best.  So they are not as rare as I 
had thought, but, still, I believe, quite rare and, to many, quite precious.  
And, yes, the rules will probably get in the way for many, though I would be 
surprised if they actually came from M.  So somewhere between 5 million and 0.  
Who knows what will come of this?

On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

> 
> From a friend (with apologies to Dan Friendman):
> 
>  
> 
> Dear Rick
> 
>  
> 
>  MMY had several sets of sandals made for him over the years.  Mark's were 
> not the original set.  Helen Lutes had a set of sandals that M left behind 
> when new ones came as did a few others.  
> 
> Mark had the sandals M used during that time period.  But they were not the 
> first set.
> 
>  
> 
> Five million?  
> 
> Should be careful making personal gain from a holy man's belongings.  
> 
>  
> 
> Bevan has some rules about that and if Mark connects to Rajas he may come 
> across those rules. We had some items and ran into the rules. Nothing 
> happened as a result.
> 
> I think the rules come from MMY.
> 
>  
> 
> Perhaps Mark should try Craig's list instead.
> 
> 
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Vaj]

On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:22 PM, Mark Landau wrote:

Hmmm, yes, thank you, of course.  Does he really have a picture of  
M's feet on his altar?  I always thought of him as having split off  
to do his own thing, though I know he says that M blessed him in that.



A former TM teacher who used to post here shared that when he was in  
India he saw it personally. I would think such a thing would to be  
very precious to SSRS, esp. now that MMY has passed. SSRS showed up  
at his teacher's funeral to offer his respects, that's for certain.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Mark Landau]

Thank you, again, n, I can feel myself re-hardening already...

On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:12 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Yep, getting the million is the hard part :-)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you invested $1M at 3% that will give you $30,000 in interest income 
> > > > annually. Not a lavish lifestyle, but something that will keep you 
> > > > comfortable in many parts of the US. 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you, n, this is more along the lines of what I was originally 
> > > > > thinking, though, I'm beginning to wonder if it could be possible.
> > > > > I've looked into India. They do not allow emigration unless you have 
> > > > > Indian descent.
> 
> I have German and Swiss friends who have lived permanently in India for 25 
> years now. Only you have to get your visas updated. Having had that done for 
> a few years the indian authorities gives up and let you stay indefinately if 
> you can pay your bills - no problem.
> 
> > > > > I could probably live OK in the US with a million and SS, though 
> > > > > there would probably be significant tax consequences...
> > > > > 5 mill would be an unbelievably wonderful boon and would certainly 
> > > > > set me up for the next 20 years.
> > > > > God knows what, if anything, I actually will get for them.
> 
> Don't decide anything now, take it easy. These sandals are priceless, 5 mill 
> is definately within your reach. 
> Remember Maharishi wanted only the best for all of us !
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[obbajeeba]

For an auction, place a reserve on it. If it does not gain to a reasonable 
asking price, then you get your item back.  Bids start at $ . Get the 
reserve in writing and maybe even notarized, witnessed  even have a lawyer draw 
up a contract, if you auction those Sandals. Nabby is correct about someone 
buying it for less, then selling it at a higher price.  Under no circumstance 
send or give the Sandals to anyone who plans on helping you sell them, even a 
known outfit, unless you had an attorney be part of it. 
It can turn into a nightmare with inside buyers. Avoid online auctions, for 
this reason. I know people who attempted to place bids online for higher end 
items and they were locked out and the only way to bid was online. 

  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> >
> > Yes, an auction among the faithful  But will such a thing ever happen?
> 
> 
> An auction is no good, someone will just get it cheaply and resell with a 
> huge profit. 
> Those, few individuals, that could or wanted to pay 5 mill $ are out there 
> somewhere. You just have to get the word out there that you have them. 
> 
> And then wait.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep, getting the million is the hard part :-)
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If you invested $1M at 3% that will give you $30,000 in interest 
> > > > > income annually. Not a lavish lifestyle, but something that will keep 
> > > > > you comfortable in many parts of the US. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you, n, this is more along the lines of what I was originally 
> > > > > > thinking, though, I'm beginning to wonder if it could be possible.
> > > > > > I've looked into India.  They do not allow emigration unless you 
> > > > > > have Indian descent.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have German and Swiss friends who have lived permanently in India for 25 
> > years now. Only you have to get your visas updated. Having had that done 
> > for a few years the indian authorities gives up and let you stay 
> > indefinately if you can pay your bills - no problem.
> > 
> > 
> > > > > > I could probably live OK in the US with a million and SS, though 
> > > > > > there would probably be significant tax consequences...
> > > > > > 5 mill would be an unbelievably wonderful boon and would certainly 
> > > > > > set me up for the next 20 years.
> > > > > > God knows what, if anything, I actually will get for them.
> > 
> > Don't decide anything now, take it easy. These sandals are priceless, 5 
> > mill is definately within your reach. 
> > Remember Maharishi wanted only the best for all of us !
> >
> 
> Wow, Nabby, I actually liked a comment you posted and given you a status 
> capital N for your name now.


Oh, I feel much better now, thank you !

There is a heart in the crop of circles!

Definately, glad it dawned on you finally :-)

> Maybe you are not such a strange man after all.

I'm not so sure.
 
> What better a place but a forum to rub elbows and butt heads! LOL

HeHe :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals Phone

[Mark Landau]

Thank you, John

On Jul 19, 2011, at 10:14 AM, johnt wrote:

> They're in Hawaii Cliff DeVries at 808 947-2266 would know their number. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> >
> > Thank you, cdb, I would let the Zimmermans know, if I knew how.
> > 
> > On Jul 18, 2011, at 10:42 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> > 
> > > I appreciate your offering them here for the story value. And as 
> > > disillusioned as I am, the attraction of these sandals is understandable, 
> > > so you need to cash all the way in for these.
> > > 
> > > I think you should go after the rich guys in Fairfield, the Zimmermans, 
> > > or whoever else are the names who have the bucks and the belief system. 
> > > If I had their money I would be all in for some version of the 10- 
> > > whatever thousand dollar range for these. I would put them in my Stapatya 
> > > Veda house in a shrine and would appreciate them as the relic they are 
> > > for the right believer. And every time I had a dinner party with people 
> > > for whom my chef prepared each meal with the RIGHT churna for their 
> > > prakriti and the season, they would take a moment to see these sandals 
> > > under the glass or even hold them if they were soul brothers and sistas. 
> > > Hold the great Maharishi's sandals just as I did at his feet in India, 
> > > getting the Vedic buzz of a lifetime. I understand. I really do.
> > > 
> > > I hope you can find the right buyer who will cherish them and can 
> > > translate that feeling into dead presidents.
> > > 
> > > Good luck!
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > On Jul 18, 2011, at 10:17 PM, authfriend wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you, J, we're pretty much on the same page. I'm not
> > > > > > aware of pro-MMY forums. Are there such and what might
> > > > > > they be?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Mark, I don't know their names. I'm pretty sure there's at
> > > > > least one Yahoo Group. You could try doing a group search
> > > > > for "Transcendental Meditation" here:
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/ 
> > > > > 
> > > > Thanks again, I'll try.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Maybe others here will know some names.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > I used to think that some day there would be a world class
> > > > > > auction of M's things, including his Mercedes or whatever
> > > > > > car(s) he ended up with, you know, like at Christie's or 
> > > > > > Sotheby's.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Who has custody of his things now?
> > > > > 
> > > > His family. I suppose it's possible they would do an auction someday to 
> > > > raise more money.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't mean to conjure false hopes, but I'd be astonished
> > > > > if MMY's sandals wouldn't be a very desirable item for a
> > > > > wealthy devotee. But you have to get the word out. You 
> > > > > might think about finding out who the wealthy ones are and
> > > > > doing a private snail-mailing.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > I've begun that via email, but haven't gotten very far with it.
> > > > 
> > > > > I wish you the best of luck. It can't be easy for you to
> > > > > part with those sandals.
> > > > > 
> > > > Thanks, I guess I'm finally ready to.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > But that thought is fading. And you're right, for me, SS
> > > > > > wouldn't be enough to live on even in Costa Rica...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Jul 18, 2011, at 9:50 PM, authfriend wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 2011, at 4:18 PM, Mark Landau wrote:
> > > > > > > > > At sixty-five, I have very little savings and have lost my 
> > > > > > > > > job. I was planning to work into my seventies. My predicament 
> > > > > > > > > forces me to attempt to sell them. I am hoping that the 
> > > > > > > > > person they are meant to go to will have the wherewithal and 
> > > > > > > > > will to honor their value. As 108 for over four years, I 
> > > > > > > > > spent around $100K working for the movement pretty much seven 
> > > > > > > > > days a week (when not rounding). As 108s, we weren't paid, 
> > > > > > > > > paid $1000 a month "so as not to be a financial drain on the 
> > > > > > > > > movement," and paid all our own travel (and sometimes other) 
> > > > > > > > > expenses. Small amounts will not be considered.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Another possibility is donating to me so I can donate them to 
> > > > > > > > > the movement.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Mark, this sounds familiar. Didn't you try 
> > > > > > > > selling them here a few years back? Did 
> > > > > > > > you ever try the suggestions about ebay? Sorry
> > > > > > > > to hear you're in such dire circumstances, but I 
> > > > > > > > am failing to see what the sale of the sandals, even
> > > > > > > > if they were to bring in, say, $1000,
> > > 

[FairfieldLife] Sour grapes (was cognitive dissonance)

[Bob Price]

No, this is not a post about "Maharishi's sandals", pretending to be something 
else!
 
Although if the sandal was on the other foot  (sorry about that) and Maharishi 
had a 
pair of Marks old sandals with the, made in the shade, market there must be for
Maharishi relics I doubt if my former master would need to ask anyone on this 
forum how to monetize such a rare item. On the other hand, if Maharishi saw the 
thread on this post 
he might say: "thank the gods for the 50 post rule"!

Sour grapes (was cognitive dissonance)


I hope this will be my last post about cognitive dissonance (CD). I figure if I 
can get 
some answers to this question I'll have both hemispheres firing and I can move 
on
to the FFL script we're working on or better yet my first "Zombie in My Gas 
Tank"
interview.

Preamble


If  Leon Festinger (major cognitive dissonance thinker) were to say to me:
"you and Fitzgerald are full of crap. The theory does not include some people
being better at sustaining the discomfort caused by holding two 
conflicting ideas in the mind at one time. The theory states that people (as in 
all)
have a motivational drive to reduce the dissonance (discomfort) and employ
techniques (primarily denial) to reduce the discomfort.

Question:

If Leon said this to me and Ravi and Nabby over heard him, could they 
truthfully say:
"Exactly, which means all the wankers on FFL that question #1 experiences
are actually just too un-evolved to have realized experiences and employ CD
denial techniques to -not unlike the fox with sour grapes in Aesops 
fable, rationalize
 their ignorance".

Please see the third paragraph at this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance


 








From: Bob Price 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:04:12 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: cognitive dissonance


  
turquoiseb 


It all depends who you're clapping for, doesn't it?
Yes
turquoiseb 
 
If you're clapping for the Backstreet Boys, then 
IMO nothing that either karma or koans can produce
can save you from yourself. If, on the other hand,
you are clapping for more meaningful claptrap, 
anything can happen, one hand or two. If denial is a common method for reducing 
discomfort for someone with a predilection for CD,
and I said to my; incredibility long legged,
super fit, American wife "I think I'm tall" and she 
laughed, which one of us would be expanding our

consciousness?    


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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Rick Archer]

>From a friend (with apologies to Dan Friendman):

 

Dear Rick

 

 MMY had several sets of sandals made for him over the years.  Mark's were
not the original set.  Helen Lutes had a set of sandals that M left behind
when new ones came as did a few others.  

Mark had the sandals M used during that time period.  But they were not the
first set.

 

Five million?  

Should be careful making personal gain from a holy man's belongings.  

 

Bevan has some rules about that and if Mark connects to Rajas he may come
across those rules. We had some items and ran into the rules. Nothing
happened as a result.

I think the rules come from MMY.

 

Perhaps Mark should try Craig's list instead.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Mark Landau]

Yes, I did, n, and replied to you.  Thank you, I do tend to agree with you, 
though, I must say, though probably shouldn't publicly, that I may be softening 
a bit on that.  Perhaps you'll inspire me to harden up again...

On Jul 19, 2011, at 10:29 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> >
> > Very few people knew about this till now, almost none of the Rajas. Yet 
> > again, I'm hoping that some of you here who may be in contact with 
> > appropriate people might forward my original email to them. Perhaps that 
> > won't work so well for this group... And I know there certainly aren't a 
> > ton of sandals out there. If I am right, there is the pair that I have from 
> > the time M left India or, at the most, one other pair from the 50s to the 
> > 70s that and then the two pair that I ordered for him that his family may 
> > have. And, perhaps, he only ended up using one of those two pair 
> > consistently. The sandals are well made and, I'm sure, last many years.
> 
> Did you see my post ? Don't sell them for under 1 mill$, 5 is better. There 
> are people out there with so much money 5 mill is peanuts.
> 
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Tom Pall]

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:25 AM, danfriedman2002
 wrote:
> Moderators,
>
> Can FairfieldLife adopt a Policy restricting non-member posting? This issue 
> has come up before, and has led to many misunderstandings.
>
> Dan Friedman
>


That sort of policy restriction doesn't go far enough.   We need to
restrict all links that don't direct to FFL messages or files.  Links
to HuffPuff, CNN, links to the TMO, links to sites mentioning TM,
religion, world affairs, other forms of meditation.   We also need to
restrict posts about iPads, iPhones, the GPL, movies, TV shows what
someone heard on the radio.  All such content was produced by people
who are not members of FFL.  These products, websites and media were
not produced to members of FFL.   Only FFL members are entitled to
produce and state ideas posted in FFL.  Secretary of State Hilary
Clinton is not a member of FFL.  If someone quotes or includes a link
containing something Secretary Clinton said, how are we to challenge
what she said?   How are we to hold the secretary accountable?

Notice that some posts show up as forwarded to FFL on behalf of of a
member.  See the below.

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William Parkinson
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:48 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras

We have to figure out how/why this happens and stop it as well.
Forwarding is forwarding.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
>
> Yes, an auction among the faithful  But will such a thing ever happen?


An auction is no good, someone will just get it cheaply and resell with a huge 
profit. 
Those, few individuals, that could or wanted to pay 5 mill $ are out there 
somewhere. You just have to get the word out there that you have them. 

And then wait.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Mark Landau]

Hmmm, yes, thank you, of course.  Does he really have a picture of M's feet on 
his altar?  I always thought of him as having split off to do his own thing, 
though I know he says that M blessed him in that.

On Jul 19, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Vaj wrote:

> 
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Mark Landau wrote:
> 
>> Thank you, Vaj, who is SSRS?
> 
> 
> Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, one of Maharishi's former pandits and really the most 
> successful gentleman in maintaining and preserving the form of meditation 
> Maharishi taught, for millions of people. I believe by this time, he's 
> actually initiated more than the TM movement did. It would seem a real 
> win-win for someone as intimately involved as yourself to see it preserved by 
> someone for whom it would be an object of real devotion and for someone who 
> works so hard to preserve that form of meditation so tangibly.
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Yep, getting the million is the hard part :-)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you invested $1M at 3% that will give you $30,000 in interest income 
> > > > annually. Not a lavish lifestyle, but something that will keep you 
> > > > comfortable in many parts of the US. 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you, n, this is more along the lines of what I was originally 
> > > > > thinking, though, I'm beginning to wonder if it could be possible.
> > > > > I've looked into India.  They do not allow emigration unless you have 
> > > > > Indian descent.
> 
> 
> 
> I have German and Swiss friends who have lived permanently in India for 25 
> years now. Only you have to get your visas updated. Having had that done for 
> a few years the indian authorities gives up and let you stay indefinately if 
> you can pay your bills - no problem.
> 
> 
> > > > > I could probably live OK in the US with a million and SS, though 
> > > > > there would probably be significant tax consequences...
> > > > > 5 mill would be an unbelievably wonderful boon and would certainly 
> > > > > set me up for the next 20 years.
> > > > > God knows what, if anything, I actually will get for them.
> 
> Don't decide anything now, take it easy. These sandals are priceless, 5 mill 
> is definately within your reach. 
> Remember Maharishi wanted only the best for all of us !
>

Wow, Nabby, I actually liked a comment you posted and given you a status 
capital N for your name now. There is a heart in the crop of circles!
Maybe you are not such a strange man after all. 
What better a place but a forum to rub elbows and butt heads! LOL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Believe me, Maharishi would be rolling over in his grave if 
> he had been buried for NOT thinking of this angle himself.
> 
> Ad on Maharishi Ayur Veda Website:
> 
> As we know from the traditional literature the guru's 
> bathwater provides both enlivenment to the suble areas of 
> the mind and body but also warms the cockles of the heart 
> and affects the even more delicate sub-cockle region. It 
> is a great joy to annouce our offering of authentic 
> Maharishi bath water for just tens of dollars a drop. By 
> holding the container over your head you can have the 
> traditional Ayur ved Guru golden shower experience in the 
> privacy of your own bathroom as long as your bidet is 
> facing North.
> 
> When you place your order be sure to ask about our Raja 
> Ram's toe nail clipping special!

Wonderful. And not out of the question. 

The first place I lived after bailing from the TM movement
was in an apartment complex on the inlet in Marina del Rey.
It was an upscale building, and the only reason I could
afford to live there is that I shared it with two other
guys. But there was also a row of non-rental townhouses 
along the inlet itself, some with their own boat docks.
High rollers lived there.

One of them (and mind you this was 1979, just after the 
movie "10" had come out) was owned by John Derek. Every 
so often he and his wife...uh...Bo Derek would come out 
to the small sandy beach area of the complex, stretch out 
on the lounges there, and sunbathe. 

For what should be obvious reasons, many of the guys who
lived in the complex developed a sudden interest in sun-
bathing. Some of them may have developed skin cancer, 
they were out there so often, just waiting and hoping. 
I was out there myself one day -- just coincidentally, 
you understand -- and overheard a conversation between 
two of the guys. It went something like this:

"Y'know, John is really missing out on a marketing
opportunity here. He could bottle up Bo's bath water
and sell it to horny guys like us."

"Right on. I'd buy some. 100 bucks a bottle, easy."

At this point we heard a low feigned cough behind us. It
was Bo Derek. Walking past us to her lounge, she said 
softly and in a sultry voice I can still remember to this
day, "1000 bucks a bottle." 

We all cracked up, her most of all.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[danfriedman2002]

What's happening is that FFL Members continue to post on behalf, or in spite 
of, non-Members. This has led to a number of misunderstandings, 
discontinuities, and worst, defamation posted behind this screen of provided 
anonymity.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardjwilliamstexas"  
wrote:
>
> danfriedman:
> > Can FairfieldLife adopt a Policy restricting 
> > non-member posting? This issue has come up 
> > before, and has led to many misunderstandings.
> > 
> Apparently posting to FFL is available only to
> members. Non-members can read, but not post.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Yep, getting the million is the hard part :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > If you invested $1M at 3% that will give you $30,000 in interest income 
> > > annually. Not a lavish lifestyle, but something that will keep you 
> > > comfortable in many parts of the US. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you, n, this is more along the lines of what I was originally 
> > > > thinking, though, I'm beginning to wonder if it could be possible.
> > > > I've looked into India.  They do not allow emigration unless you have 
> > > > Indian descent.



I have German and Swiss friends who have lived permanently in India for 25 
years now. Only you have to get your visas updated. Having had that done for a 
few years the indian authorities gives up and let you stay indefinately if you 
can pay your bills - no problem.


> > > > I could probably live OK in the US with a million and SS, though there 
> > > > would probably be significant tax consequences...
> > > > 5 mill would be an unbelievably wonderful boon and would certainly set 
> > > > me up for the next 20 years.
> > > > God knows what, if anything, I actually will get for them.

Don't decide anything now, take it easy. These sandals are priceless, 5 mill is 
definately within your reach. 
Remember Maharishi wanted only the best for all of us !

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Mark Landau]

Thank you, Judy

On Jul 19, 2011, at 9:35 AM, authfriend wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> >
> > Thank you, Judy. I've been out of the the loop for so long
> > I would have no idea how to amass a list of such people with
> > their snail mail addresses.
> 
> Do you know anybody at all in the movement? If they
> don't have the information themselves, maybe they can
> refer you to someone who does, or will know where you
> can find it.
> 
> There was a post here just this week about a couple of
> movement bigwigs who were advertising their homes in
> Vedic City for sale. Track down that post, go to the
> Web site where they're being offered. That'll give you
> two addresses.
> 
> Check out the local Fairfield paper, see what clues you
> can find. Look on TM/MUM Web sites for lists of boards
> of directors of this or that. Use your imagination.
> 
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Mark Landau]

That's assuming you wouldn't have to pay any tax on it.  If I do sell these for 
anything significant, I'll have to find out about the tax consequences...

On Jul 19, 2011, at 9:52 AM, whynotnow7 wrote:

> If you invested $1M at 3% that will give you $30,000 in interest income 
> annually. Not a lavish lifestyle, but something that will keep you 
> comfortable in many parts of the US. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> >
> > Thank you, n, this is more along the lines of what I was originally 
> > thinking, though, I'm beginning to wonder if it could be possible.
> > I've looked into India. They do not allow emigration unless you have Indian 
> > descent.
> > I could probably live OK in the US with a million and SS, though there 
> > would probably be significant tax consequences...
> > 5 mill would be an unbelievably wonderful boon and would certainly set me 
> > up for the next 20 years.
> > God knows what, if anything, I actually will get for them.
> > 
> > On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:38 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'd pay $1,000.00 right now. But I suspect they'll go for a lot more
> > > > > than that.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I had a drawing for years, A3 size on his stationary that Maharishis 
> > > > did, probably the only one he did on official stationary. Sent it to 
> > > > the Movement. 
> > > > Why sell his sandals when you can simply ask Maharishi for a boon ?
> > > 
> > > Hello Mark,
> > > 
> > > One could think Maharishi left them for you as a boon in advance. That's 
> > > very possible. In which case I would not depart with them for a sum of 
> > > less than 1 mill $. 
> > > 
> > > But that is not very much either unless you want to live the rest of your 
> > > life in India. With 5 mill $ you would be alright for the rest of your 
> > > life in the USA, no ?
> > > 
> > > With the right buyer 5 mill is peanuts for those sandals. Whatever you 
> > > do, don't sell them in an auction; someone will just pick them up for 
> > > close to nothing and resell them for a fortune.
> > > 
> > > Jai Guru Dev
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Mark Landau]

Thank you, W

On Jul 19, 2011, at 9:46 AM, whynotnow7 wrote:

> Hi Mark, I would start with a recent MUM directory, and a Vedic City 
> directory if such a thing exists. Write those folks and get more names. 
> Create a good marketing piece, short and to the point. Use email if you can. 
> 
> Maybe build a website that people can visit. www.intuit.com will do one for 
> $5 a month, and you can build it yourself, easily. 
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> >
> > Thank you, Judy. I've been out of the the loop for so long I would have no 
> > idea how to amass a list of such people with their snail mail addresses.
> > 
> > On Jul 18, 2011, at 11:50 PM, authfriend wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > > >
> > > 
> > > > > I don't mean to conjure false hopes, but I'd be astonished
> > > > > if MMY's sandals wouldn't be a very desirable item for a
> > > > > wealthy devotee. But you have to get the word out. You 
> > > > > might think about finding out who the wealthy ones are and
> > > > > doing a private snail-mailing.
> > > > > 
> > > > I've begun that via email, but haven't gotten very far with it.
> > > 
> > > I wouldn't do it by email. I'd get some expensive-looking
> > > stationery and put together something as dignified and
> > > impressive as you can make it, complete with good-quality
> > > photos if possible (of the sandals and of him wearing them).
> > > If you know a PR person, ask him or her to help you write
> > > the letter. Choose the best-looking stamps you can find.
> > > Make it *special*. If you put some real effort into the
> > > offer, make the recipients feel important, you're more
> > > likely to get a good price.
> > > 
> > > This really is a special item, and it deserves that kind
> > > of treatment.
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Mark Landau]

Thank you, O

On Jul 19, 2011, at 9:44 AM, obbajeeba wrote:

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you, cdb, I would let the Zimmermans know, if I knew how.
> > 
> > Don't be helpless, Mark. Take some initiative. It can't be
> > that difficult to ask around and find out where they live.
> >
> 
> Judy is right. The good news is FFL gets read by many and in a small town 
> such as FF, word will get around quickly. 
> Look what happened with the DMCA that FFL got for posting Mr. Bevan Morris's 
> email? People read this yahoo group.
> Do not feel down if anyone tells you that you should not make something for 
> having kept these Sandals, because they themselves would benefit or profit if 
> you did not. 
> If you are needing to survive, eat, then you are justified. 
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rupert Murdoch gets pied

[obbajeeba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmUrFA5Bezg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> The news is all abuzz about this but try to find a video of it.  If you 
> click on the stories the only video you'll see is the live stream of the 
> hearings.  But here is a a video on the incident posted on YouTube.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe5fPsucqKI
> 
> But I'm sure that the news pool got a better shot.  Where is it?  Maybe 
> later in the day?  Or do they so fear the old grinch they're afraid to 
> post it.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Mark Landau]

Yes, an auction among the faithful  But will such a thing ever happen?

On Jul 19, 2011, at 9:24 AM, whynotnow7 wrote:

> I watch antiques roadshow whenever I can and the fame buzz adds a lot to an 
> object's perceived value, so the sooner after his passing that the footwear 
> is sold, the higher the price. 
> 
> Also, not a bad idea to approach that Fame Bureau website or similar. They 
> have the connections, and generally want 20% if they are ethical. At least a 
> paid, professional appraisal should be done. Who knows? An auction among the 
> faithful could go through the roof. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Sal, I'm on record now. I say they will not go for less than
> > $10,000.00.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Jul 18, 2011, at 11:05 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> > > I'd pay $1,000.00 right now. But I suspect they'll go for a lot more
> > than that.
> > >
> > > Where? In Never-Never Land?
> > > Good luck with that.
> > >
> > > Sal
> > >
> >
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
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> Ever heard of ojas?  

Yes, it's the Vedic woo that people use to justify sexual repression, as if 
that's going to give them vitality and energy. My own body tells me in no 
uncertain terms that it has a 'use it or lose it' policy with respect to the 
urogenital system, so I completely dismiss any such woo. I certainly don't 
believe I will experience any kind of woo by being in close proximity to MMY's 
old sandals.


> Actually, they're not ratty and sweaty, though they are well-worn...
> 
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 7:11 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > I may be the odd one out here, but the idea of buying someone's ratty, 
> > sweaty, old footwear kinda grosses me out. I would no more want MMY's old 
> > sandals than Mario Batali's old orange Crocs.
> > 
> >
>