[FairfieldLife] Official Best of Fest
Behold, the official best of fest films you've never seen. Heard of this? I'm usually so behind the eight ball on the new and innovative (or for that matter, the old and innovative) so this may be old news. Tonight they showed the animated and bully short films on the TV show...absolutely great. Hosted by Rick Stevenson. http://www.officialbestoffest.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
One of the Just Ones came to Sodom, determined to save its inhabitants from sin and punishment. Night and day the Just One walked the streets and markets preaching against greed and theft, falsehood and indifference. In the beginning, people listened and smiled ironically. Then they stopped listening; they were no longer amused. The killers went on killing, the wise kept silent, as if there were no Just One in their midst. One day a child, moved by compassion, approached the unfortunate preacher with these words. Poor stranger. You shout, you expend your body and soul; don't you see that it is hopeless? Yes, I see, answered the Just One. Then why do you go on? I'll tell you why. In the beginning, I thought I could change humankind. Today, I know I cannot. If I still shout today, if I still scream, it is to prevent humankind from ultimately changing me. ~Elie Wiesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elie_Wiesel From: seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 8:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: The global economy is pretty far gone. The US banks sold a bunch of toxic assets to a lot for foreign banks. A lot of foreign leaders about now would probably secretly want to see the US nuked out of existence. We are the 21st century bogeyman. the us banks don't really have much of value to offer to the rest of the world. We went off the gold standard a long time ago, and there is nothing 'real' that backs the US dollar anymore. We not only screwed ourselves in order to maintain a lifestyle that is unsustainable, but now we're screwing the rest of the world too. But hey, we're Americans, we get what we want and need, because that's how life automatically works! right? They could create a bank and put all those toxic assets in it and then write it off. You may indeed see a total collapse but it may not result in a Road Warrior society. Just a simpler more human and down to earth one. I'm not sure what city you live in, but look at what happens in towns like New Orleans or Los Angeles when the system breaks down. The midwest will be a rather safe place. But most cities i've lived in will get really ugly before they get better (if there is an actual 'total' collapse). In fact, the midwest is the only place in America i'd feel safe (for the most part). You can exclude certain parts of Texas and other remote areas where there are 'meth' labs. Your mindset seems very conservative, much like a hard liner. Remember the Chinese hard liners? I equivocate hard liners with assholes. If the rest of the world were like them we would still be living in caves. I'm not a hardliner in terms of trying to force others to live according to my ideals. But I am a hardliner in terms of doing whatever I have to in order to take care of and provide for myself without screwing other people over. If that makes me an asshole, then i'm an asshole. I don't ask my parents for money, I don't max out credit cards, I don't declare bankruptcy and force other taxpayers to bail me out, I don't blame others for my problems, and the list goes on of what I won't do. Maybe being an asshole is the secret to not screwing others over. Plus you sound very belligerent. Maybe you listen to Rush too much? Perhaps you ought to actually trying seeking liberation rather than bondage. What are you accusing me of being attached to? I distinctly remember in my last post that it makes no difference to me what direction we go in. I can easily survive with things the way they are. If the system collapses, i'll find a way to get by. So for me, I have no reason to attach to anything, or try to avoid anything. You, on the other hand, seem to have a strong desire to go in a specific direction. That is attachment. Liberation involves letting go and not controlling, being able to get by regardless of external circumstances. Believe me, if there's an easier way, i'd love nothing more than to experience it. I would've been much happier in a country like Denmark. But I wasn't born there, so, in a true sense of what liberation means, I won't dwell on what isn't meant to be. Perhaps my cynacism is percieved as belligerence. I guess being surrounded by matierialists my whole life, I just love watching them be so frustrated and watch the walls come crumbling down in front of them. That's why I love the idea of seeing the system collapse. If you're theory that all the enlightened and intelligent people are going to revolt, take over, and establish a Utopiathen i've got no doubt i'm intelligent and industrious enough to be a prominent member of such a society and i'll be more than happy. I'll also be happy if things stay the way they are. I'll also be
[FairfieldLife] Sur-stroemming!
Surströmming (pronounced [s#649;#780;#720;#642;trm#720;#618;#331;], Swedish soured (Baltic) herring) is a northern Swedish dish consisting of fermented Baltic herring. Surströmming is sold in cans, which often bulge during shipping and storage, due to the continued fermentation. When opened, the contents release a strong and sometimes overwhelming odor, which explains why the dish is often eaten outdoors. A Japanese study has shown that the smell of a newly opened can of surströmming is the most putrid smell of food in the world, beating similar fermented fish dishes such as the Korean Hongeohoe or Japanese Kusaya.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surstr%C3%B6mming
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascist thugs trap demonstrators on Brooklyn Bridge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: There are mass arrests: http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution Very Good !! And; you can be sure Maitreya is there on the streets to give His support like He did on the square in Egypt !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: Keep in mind as you complain about how horrible and difficult your life is, a garbage man or a pizza delivery man in today's world lives a more luxurious life with more entertainment than the King of England or the Emporor of Japan did 100 years ago. Our quality of life here in America is better than any civilization in the history of the world. Did Hollywood brainwash you to believe this nonsense ? And did you ever visit a country outside your own ?
[FairfieldLife] The Meaning of Aum
Swami Rama explains the meaning of OM in the context of the Upanishads. Read his explanation here : http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2010/07/25/the-meaning-of-aum-or-om-mantras-and-their-meanings/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
I've been in over 40 countries. South Pacific Islands, Africa, all over Europe, SE Asia, and Middle East. Considering the existence of internet, IPODs, cell phones, automobiles, Cable TV, Air conditioning and heating, etc, I don't think my statement below is that far off track. I'd much rather live in today's world as a working class man than live in royalty 100+ years ago. Well, maybe the early 1900's wasn't too bad, but if you get any earlier than thatforget it. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Keep in mind as you complain about how horrible and difficult your life is, a garbage man or a pizza delivery man in today's world lives a more luxurious life with more entertainment than the King of England or the Emporor of Japan did 100 years ago. Our quality of life here in America is better than any civilization in the history of the world. Did Hollywood brainwash you to believe this nonsense ? And did you ever visit a country outside your own ?
[FairfieldLife] Brooklyn Bridge Occupied
The resistance continues at Liberty Square and Nationwide http://occupytogether.org/ ! * News https://occupywallst.org/ * LiveStream http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution * Forum https://occupywallst.org/forum/ * Chat https://occupywallst.org/chat/ * User Map https://occupywallst.org/attendees/ * NYCGA http://nycga.cc/ * About https://occupywallst.org/about/ * Donate http://nycga.cc/?page_id=377 * http://www.facebook.com/OccupyWallSt https://twitter.com/#!/OccupyWallSt http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallstreet/ Brooklyn Bridge Occupied https://occupywallst.org/article/brooklyn-bridge-occupied/ Posted Oct. 1, 2011, 4:56 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt https://occupywallst.org/users/OccupyWallSt/ Police have kettled the march on the Brooklyn Bridge and have begun arresting protesters. At least 20 arrested so far. Follow the action http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution UPDATE: 5:15PM - Brooklyn Bridge has been shut down by police UPDATE: 5:55PM - At least 50 arrested. UPDATE: 8:17PM - NYTimes reporting hundreds arrested - including a reporter - police appear to have deliberately misled protesters. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/police-arresting-protester\ s-on-brooklyn-bridge/ UPDATE: 8:40PM - Around 400 peaceful protesters arrested. UPDATE 10/2 2:20AM - Over 700 protesters arrested. Please call: 1st Precinct: +1 (212) 334-0611 77th Precinct: +1 (718) 735-0611 NYPD Switchboard: +1 (646) 610-5000 NYPD Central Booking: +1 (212) 374-3921 NYPD Internal Affairs: +1 (212) 741-8401 Mayor Bloomberg: +1 (212) NEW-YORK or +1 (212) 374-3921 1 Comments https://occupywallst.org/article/brooklyn-bridge-occupied/#comments We are the 99% Solidarity March with #OccupyWallStreet at 3 PM https://occupywallst.org/article/oct1-march/ Posted Oct. 1, 2011, 9:09 a.m. EST by OccupyWallSt https://occupywallst.org/users/OccupyWallSt/ We the 99% will not be silent and we will not be intimidated. This Saturday thousands more of us will march together as one to show that it is time that the 99% are heard. Join us on the 2nd week anniversary of your new movement. This is a call for individuals, families and community and advocacy groups to march in solidarity with the #occupywallstreet movement on Saturday, October 1st at 3 p.m. We are unions, students, teachers, veterans, first responders, families, the unemployed and underemployed. We are all races, sexes and creeds. We are the majority. We are the 99 percent. And we will no longer be silent. As members of the 99 percent, we occupy Wall Street as a symbolic gesture of our discontent with the current economic and political climate and as an example of a better world to come. Therefore we invite the public, our fellow 99 percent, to join us in a march on SATURDAY AT THREE, starting from LIBERTY PLAZA (ZUCCOTTI PARK) at LIBERTY BROADWAY. March will end with a gathering and some eating at Brooklyn Bridge Park 5:30 pm. Special Guests include Amiri Baraka and others! Food provided.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: I've been in over 40 countries. South Pacific Islands, Africa, all over Europe, SE Asia, and Middle East. You kept your dark sunglasses on during those trips I assume. It's tempting to ask which countries in Europe you visited, but I'll refrain. You're not seeking liberation but status quo. Our quality of life here in America is better than any civilization in the history of the world. Considering the existence of internet, IPODs, cell phones, automobiles, Cable TV, Air conditioning and heating, etc, I don't think my statement below is that far off track. I'd much rather live in today's world as a working class man than live in royalty 100+ years ago. Well, maybe the early 1900's wasn't too bad, but if you get any earlier than thatforget it. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Keep in mind as you complain about how horrible and difficult your life is, a garbage man or a pizza delivery man in today's world lives a more luxurious life with more entertainment than the King of England or the Emporor of Japan did 100 years ago. Our quality of life here in America is better than any civilization in the history of the world. Did Hollywood brainwash you to believe this nonsense ? And did you ever visit a country outside your own ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
Greece, France, Spain, Germany, Kosovo, Turkey, England Italyoff the top of my head. Keep in mind, most of those countries are 1st world countries which make up the minority of countries in the world, so they don't apply to my original statement. 3rd world countries are the majority in this world. And as far as the original statement goes, what makes you think that a working class man in America today doesn't have an easier or more entertaining life than anyone 100+ years ago? And what do other countries have to do with the original statement? I think you simply took out one of my quotes about life in America today being better than anytime in the history of the world, then you thought I was putting America up on a pedestal over other countries(which is the opposite of what I was trying to do). So I will add a clause to thatExcluding a few countries in Europe, Canada, and Australia. But that is debatable depending on a person's state of mind. I, personally, stated in a previous post that I probably would've been happier if I were born in Denmark (you could also include England and a few others to that list). So you can expand my original statement by saying any working class person in 'almost' any 1st world country today has it much better than royalty 100+ years ago. Regarding seeking liberation vs. status quo, seeking ANYTHING is the opposite of liberation. True liberation only comes when you stop seeking and realize the bliss of the present moment as it is. I can assure you, i'm not seeking status quo at all. If things change, that's fine, if they don'tthat's fine too. That is liberation, as opposed to attachment to change or no change. I created my online nickname at a time when I was younger, more naive, and was under the illusion that my own personal efforts were in 100% control of evolution/spirituality. Not saying i've achieved liberation in its fullest sense, but neither has anyone on this forum, or on this planet for that matter, otherwise they wouldn't have been incarnated here (with the exception of perhaps a few souls). seekliberation You kept your dark sunglasses on during those trips I assume. It's tempting to ask which countries in Europe you visited, but I'll refrain. You're not seeking liberation but status quo. Our quality of life here in America is better than any civilization in the history of the world. Considering the existence of internet, IPODs, cell phones, automobiles, Cable TV, Air conditioning and heating, etc, I don't think my statement below is that far off track. I'd much rather live in today's world as a working class man than live in royalty 100+ years ago. Well, maybe the early 1900's wasn't too bad, but if you get any earlier than thatforget it. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Keep in mind as you complain about how horrible and difficult your life is, a garbage man or a pizza delivery man in today's world lives a more luxurious life with more entertainment than the King of England or the Emporor of Japan did 100 years ago. Our quality of life here in America is better than any civilization in the history of the world. Did Hollywood brainwash you to believe this nonsense ? And did you ever visit a country outside your own ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
Ignoring Nabby's sniping, I'll focus on the part of your post that interests me... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: Regarding seeking liberation vs. status quo, seeking ANYTHING is the opposite of liberation. Such a simple statement. Such a simple truth. If part of you is seeking something other than what the current moment and your current state of attention presents to you, that really is the opposite of liberation. Liberation is having gotten over the seeking thang. True liberation only comes when you stop seeking and realize the bliss of the present moment as it is. I can assure you, i'm not seeking status quo at all. If things change, that's fine, if they don'tthat's fine too. That is liberation, as opposed to attachment to change or no change. I tend to agree. True, some may say that there are various staqes of liberation, and I would not disagree with them, but that first step of getting over the feeling that one is somehow incomplete if they haven't achieved some goal or another is a BIG step. If it helps to hear it, I too have given up on seeking as a losing proposition. I created my online nickname at a time when I was younger, more naive, and was under the illusion that my own personal efforts were in 100% control of evolution/spirituality. I think I was already off the path in terms of seeking when I created my screen name. I adopted the pen name of the Sixth Dalai Lama because I really like him, and enjoy being reminded of him and his life whenever I post. Not saying i've achieved liberation in its fullest sense, but neither has anyone on this forum, or on this planet for that matter, otherwise they wouldn't have been incarnated here (with the exception of perhaps a few souls). I think I agree with what you're saying up to the otherwise thang. I'm not convinced that part is true. I think it's just as likely for a liberation in its fullest sense person to reincarnate as any other person. Some do it to teach. Some, for fun. Some just roll the dice when dying time comes, and seek nothing in particular. They just die and wait to see what happens, and then try their best to enjoy it, whatever it is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's 'true' successor?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Doughney mike@ wrote: Looks like Curtis wonderfully summarized the absurdity of all the mantra madness. Well, he sure did hyperbolize it. The idea that anyone could be accused of hyperbole in the context of any discussion about Maharishi and his: highest teaching, flying technique, solution to all problems, mastery of the laws of nature, realization of full mental potential, world peace achieved perfect health, (I could really keep typing all day.)is kinda funny. That's a pretty funny reaction, actually, in a number of respects, not least that the comment itself is hyperbole. I'm sure you realize your remark makes no sense. It's entirely possible, of course, to wax hyperbolic about something that's hyperbolic to start with, simply by exaggerating the original hyperbole (which you do all the time). I was saying I found it a funny juxtaposition. Maharishi was the king of hyperbole. Compared to him, my own enthusiastic use of the technique seems kinda tiny. In this case, though, I was referring to a specific bit of hyperbole from you concerning mantras: Mantra guy: 'But now my mantra doesn't work.' This fictional person in the courtroom that I created actually believes this. He is a new meditator and thinks that speaking out the mantra will ruin his meditation. After his appearance in the courtroom he made a checking appointment and discovered to his delight that the practice was not harmed and he continues to enjoy his practice to this day. His name is Mel. He lives in my head and everything I wrote was actual dialogue from him with no exaggeration for effect on my part at all. I'll defer to you regarding what *you* were taught, or taught to teach, and simply observe that while I was told that saying or hearing or reading my mantra would be counterproductive to its effectiveness, I was *never* told that after speaking it once, it would cease to work altogether. That was supposed to be a secret between us teachers. Another little known fact is that if you ever read the flying sutra anywhere you will never actually fly. A shout out from Mike is much appreciated. I consider Mike to be a pioneer saint in the area of freedom of information. Through his work, the movement's omerta veil was rent asunder and anyone can evaluate the TM teaching BEFORE they get involved. And that's no hyperbole baby! From Wikipedia: Omertà implies 'the categorical prohibition of cooperation with state authorities or reliance on its services, even when one has been victim of a crime.'[2] Even if somebody is convicted of a crime he has not committed, he is supposed to serve the sentence without giving the police any information about the real criminal, even if that criminal has nothing to do with the Mafia himself. Within Mafia culture, breaking omertà is punishable by death.[2] Nope, no hyperbole there... I was using it in its common usage as a code of silence. But interestingly the punishment in the movement is much greater than simple death. You get banished from all future courses and techniques, so your path of evolution in movement philosophy is stopped short. Also according to the Vedic scriptures, violating the confidence of a guru is a heinous sin which is punished in rebirths as horrible creatures. From the movement's philosophy betraying Maharishi's confidence is probably the worst thing you can do for your evolution and progress toward the so called ultimate goal of human life. Getting a cement pedicure seems like a slap on the wrist in comparison. As to anyone can evaluate the TM teaching BEFORE they get involved: for some value of evaluate, perhaps, as long as the evaluation doesn't have to be either complete or accurate. This is the most interesting question that made me want to respond to your post. The question of how much disclosure is appropriate for the movement. I hope you are equally interested in pursuing it Judy. Where could you get a complete and accurate understanding of the movement before signing up? Certainly not from the movement itself. I believe that even the understanding of what the puja means is appropriate full disclosure for anyone considering TM. And because teachers were trained to be deceptive about their relationship with Maharishi it is also helpful to have information about that beforehand. Mike provided people with different opinions about the movement from people whose views differed from the movements self perception. That seems appropriate even if someone is considering buying a toaster, how much more important to consider before practicing a technique that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
You're probably right. I didn't include the possibility that some souls are incarnated here simply to teach (Jesus, Buddha, Shankaracharyas, etc...). But for the most part, from everything i've learned or been taught, this world is supposed to be like a 'school' for the unenlightened. The reason our souls are not in a better place is because we're all in a problematic state of mind (some more so than others, obviously). We're here to become enlightened. Then it's on to bigger and better thingssupposedly. Certainly, some enlightened souls may hang around for a while, just like some adults still hang around high school (teachers, janitors, staff, coaches, etc...). But for the most part, once you surpass the need for learning, you move away from that learning environment. Of course, neither myself or anyone else i've ever met can really say this is all true with any authority. I could be entirely off track for all I know. seekliberation Not saying i've achieved liberation in its fullest sense, but neither has anyone on this forum, or on this planet for that matter, otherwise they wouldn't have been incarnated here (with the exception of perhaps a few souls). I think I agree with what you're saying up to the otherwise thang. I'm not convinced that part is true. I think it's just as likely for a liberation in its fullest sense person to reincarnate as any other person. Some do it to teach. Some, for fun. Some just roll the dice when dying time comes, and seek nothing in particular. They just die and wait to see what happens, and then try their best to enjoy it, whatever it is.
[FairfieldLife] Redbelt Rocked, thanks Barry!
Saw it loved it, saw it again with the director's comments, loved it even more. Thanks for the tip. Some real rockstars of Brazilian Jiu-jitsu in the movie. I needed to hear from Mamet about his reason for the dojo head believing that competition would hurt the purity of his practice. It was not credible because the Brazilian guys all love competitions as the only way to see if you have it right. So once I could get over a blackbelt getting this wrong by suspending my disbelief I could go along with his premise that this guy WAS wrong about that. He had to face this in the end. I wouldn't have known his thinking without the commentary. I also didn't understand why the lawyer chick slapped him at the end, for betraying his own principles of facing fear. It was ten times better than I expected due to David's 5 years of training. He is really into the sport. Fantastic! Thanks. David makes a reference to a documentary done on Hickson Gracie that is now up on Youttube called Choke. I'm watching that now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdRIBYw6kNQ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: snip So you can expand my original statement by saying any working class person in 'almost' any 1st world country today has it much better than royalty 100+ years ago. If I may chime in with a thought... There are discussions where We have it better here than anywhere else, and better than at any other time is a useful point. But when it translates to So stop complaining, it becomes questionable, a potential thought-stopper. If things could be better here than they are now, why shouldn't that be addressed? Especially if it's an issue of unfairness of one sort or another (which is what we're dealing with in this thread). If there's unfairness here, what entitles us to criticize unfairness elsewhere? Does the fact that things used to be even more unfair than they are now mean we have to live with the current unfairness? We need to clean up our own house, be the best we can be, IMHO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention to Wall Street malfeasance overdue
Denise Evans: ...the financial sector gambled away billions of our dollars, we bailed them out, and they have done nothing to repay the American people or take any responsibility for their scandalous behavior. The question is, can he run on his record in 2012, and the answer is no, because it's abysmal. He took a trillion dollars and where it went, nobody knows. He dismantled healthcare, he weakened America around the world, he sold out the State of Israel. All he's got to run on is being a Democrat and indicting the other fellow... http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/06/14/mamet-on-obama/ So, I wonder how many millionaires actually work on Wall Street? Nobody seems to paying much attention to the tea party protestors, except maybe the people that have to work on Wall Street. According to what I've read, most people that work on Wall Street are cashiers, clerks, traders, and rank-and-file city workers, middle-class people earning less than $100,000 a year - mostly democrats with 401Ks. The mayor of NYC is a millionaire and a democrat. How many democrats in the U.S. Congress are millionaires?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: You're probably right. I didn't include the possibility that some souls are incarnated here simply to teach (Jesus, Buddha, Shankaracharyas, etc...). But for the most part, from everything i've learned or been taught, this world is supposed to be like a 'school' for the unenlightened. I don't buy this. I don't actually see that much difference between the descriptions of Brahmaloka in various scriptures and what I see around me every day. Same guys and gals, acting out the same old soap opera plots of this god sneakin' into this other god's honeypot's...uh...sacred places. War here, war there. Pettiness here, pettiness there. Where's the difference? :-) The reason our souls are not in a better place is because we're all in a problematic state of mind (some more so than others, obviously). We're here to become enlightened. You're certain of this? :-) Then it's on to bigger and better thingssupposedly. Certainly, some enlightened souls may hang around for a while, just like some adults still hang around high school (teachers, janitors, staff, coaches, etc...). Dude! Whatever Edg may have said about me in the past, I SO do not hang out near high schools. :-) Just havin' fun. Your comment made me think of a fun plot idea. Sorta like Steven King's Carrie, but instead of having been reborn as a telekinetic crazy person, Carrie's been reborn as a Buddha. There is a good horror movie in this. :-) Good raps, lately, dude. I've been enjoying them...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
You're right, things could get better, and I hope they do (in terms of the fairness you're talking about). I believe the long line of discussions led from one thing to another, and it seemed to me that some of the complaints were legitimate while some were leaning towards childish whining. That's the only reason I pointed out how easy we have it. I probably went way off on a tangent with that point, as do most discussions on this forum. The original point I made was that this whole economic mess, IMHO, is a problem that will be solved more on an individual level than on the level of politics policy. That spawned a long list of arguments/counter arguments which led to my statement that life is still easier than ever before. But the overall point from the beginning, is that we aren't going to fix this country by changing a policy, electing a charismatic or charming leader, or signing a bill. We will have to make a major adjustment in our own state of mind and way of life at the individual level. seekliberation If I may chime in with a thought... There are discussions where We have it better here than anywhere else, and better than at any other time is a useful point. But when it translates to So stop complaining, it becomes questionable, a potential thought-stopper. If things could be better here than they are now, why shouldn't that be addressed? Especially if it's an issue of unfairness of one sort or another (which is what we're dealing with in this thread). If there's unfairness here, what entitles us to criticize unfairness elsewhere? Does the fact that things used to be even more unfair than they are now mean we have to live with the current unfairness? We need to clean up our own house, be the best we can be, IMHO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Official Best of Fest
Great find, Denise. Just what I have always wanted. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Behold, the official best of fest films you've never seen. Heard of this? I'm usually so behind the eight ball on the new and innovative (or for that matter, the old and innovative) so this may be old news. Tonight they showed the animated and bully short films on the TV show...absolutely great. Hosted by Rick Stevenson. http://www.officialbestoffest.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Redbelt Rocked, thanks Barry!
So happy you enjoyed it, Curtis. I first heard of it on the Rama-oriented forum, probably because so many of us there have been or still are involved in the martial arts. David Mamet is a curious guy. You either love his mannered, not-natural dialogue or you hate it. I can actually tolerate it because I can follow the themes he obsesses on in his movies -- honor, the art of the con, misdirection. Have you seen any of his great con movies, such as House Of Games and The Spanish Prisoner? Ricky Jay (truly great card artist) is often in his movies not only because he's a tremendous character but because he and Mamet share a passion for stage magic and the art of the con and the art of misdirection. I'm suspecting, Curtis, that you might really get into David Mamet. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Saw it loved it, saw it again with the director's comments, loved it even more. Thanks for the tip. Some real rockstars of Brazilian Jiu-jitsu in the movie. I needed to hear from Mamet about his reason for the dojo head believing that competition would hurt the purity of his practice. It was not credible because the Brazilian guys all love competitions as the only way to see if you have it right. So once I could get over a blackbelt getting this wrong by suspending my disbelief I could go along with his premise that this guy WAS wrong about that. He had to face this in the end. I wouldn't have known his thinking without the commentary. I also didn't understand why the lawyer chick slapped him at the end, for betraying his own principles of facing fear. It was ten times better than I expected due to David's 5 years of training. He is really into the sport. Fantastic! Thanks. David makes a reference to a documentary done on Hickson Gracie that is now up on Youttube called Choke. I'm watching that now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdRIBYw6kNQ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Official Best of Fest
I agree. Duly bookmarked. Many thanks for passing it along. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Great find, Denise. Just what I have always wanted. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: Behold, the official best of fest films you've never seen. Heard of this? I'm usually so behind the eight ball on the new and innovative (or for that matter, the old and innovative) so this may be old news. Tonight they showed the animated and bully short films on the TV show...absolutely great. Hosted by Rick Stevenson. http://www.officialbestoffest.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Redbelt Rocked, thanks Barry!
I loved House of Games and would see anything with Ricky Jay in it. I now have The Spanish Prisoner at the top of my Netflix cue, thanks. Mamet seems to stock his films with great actors. One funny comment he made about how he doesn't want them to improvise, he said , if I needed them to improvise that would mean I wasn't much of a writer, or something to that effect. In a completely different zone, I just saw The Illusionist which was an animated, mostly silent film, and was very impressed. Very French, very cool. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: So happy you enjoyed it, Curtis. I first heard of it on the Rama-oriented forum, probably because so many of us there have been or still are involved in the martial arts. David Mamet is a curious guy. You either love his mannered, not-natural dialogue or you hate it. I can actually tolerate it because I can follow the themes he obsesses on in his movies -- honor, the art of the con, misdirection. Have you seen any of his great con movies, such as House Of Games and The Spanish Prisoner? Ricky Jay (truly great card artist) is often in his movies not only because he's a tremendous character but because he and Mamet share a passion for stage magic and the art of the con and the art of misdirection. I'm suspecting, Curtis, that you might really get into David Mamet. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Saw it loved it, saw it again with the director's comments, loved it even more. Thanks for the tip. Some real rockstars of Brazilian Jiu-jitsu in the movie. I needed to hear from Mamet about his reason for the dojo head believing that competition would hurt the purity of his practice. It was not credible because the Brazilian guys all love competitions as the only way to see if you have it right. So once I could get over a blackbelt getting this wrong by suspending my disbelief I could go along with his premise that this guy WAS wrong about that. He had to face this in the end. I wouldn't have known his thinking without the commentary. I also didn't understand why the lawyer chick slapped him at the end, for betraying his own principles of facing fear. It was ten times better than I expected due to David's 5 years of training. He is really into the sport. Fantastic! Thanks. David makes a reference to a documentary done on Hickson Gracie that is now up on Youttube called Choke. I'm watching that now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdRIBYw6kNQ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Redbelt Rocked, thanks Barry!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I loved House of Games and would see anything with Ricky Jay in it. Ricky was one of the guys who Doug Henning introduced me to, back when my roommate was designing costumes for him. I first met Ricky Jay, appropriately, at the Magic Castle in L.A., on a free pass there from Doug. As far as I can tell, Ricky is one of the premiere no-bullshit guys on the planet. Totally enjoyable presence. I now have The Spanish Prisoner at the top of my Netflix cue, thanks. I'm downloading it in the background myself, thanks. I just *love* Mamet's obsession with the art of the con, and have been following his films since House Of Games. I feel the need to re-watch it. In a completely different zone, I just saw The Illusionist which was an animated, mostly silent film, and was very impressed. Very French, very cool. Seen it. Agree. I'm a a Cannes freak, so I noticed it.
[FairfieldLife] #5# Think About It... Trust
Think About It... Trust Our help is in the name of the LORD, who made heaven and earth (Psalm 124:8). In who do you trust in the difficulties? In your friends? In your money? Or in the Lord? Paulo Barbosa
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: You're right, things could get better, and I hope they do (in terms of the fairness you're talking about). I believe the long line of discussions led from one thing to another, and it seemed to me that some of the complaints were legitimate while some were leaning towards childish whining. That's the only reason I pointed out how easy we have it. I probably went way off on a tangent with that point, as do most discussions on this forum. True. That comment leaped out at me because it tends to be used carelessly. The original point I made was that this whole economic mess, IMHO, is a problem that will be solved more on an individual level than on the level of politics policy. That spawned a long list of arguments/counter arguments which led to my statement that life is still easier than ever before. But the overall point from the beginning, is that we aren't going to fix this country by changing a policy, electing a charismatic or charming leader, or signing a bill. We will have to make a major adjustment in our own state of mind and way of life at the individual level. I don't know if I agree with you on this--at least not in the sense that we have to wait until that adjustment has taken place across the board before we can really do anything to improve the situation. Policy changes and legislation can make a big difference, maybe even themselves facilitate attitude adjustment. Of course we need an attitude adjustment on the part of those who make policy and pass legislation. Sometimes that requires an attitude adjustment to take place first on the part of their constituents, but not always by any means. Anyway, I guess I see it as a more integrated, interactive process, working from both ends at once for change. One example that occurs to me is same-sex marriage. Some attitude adjustment had to take place before there could be legislation to make it legal, but making it legal has resulted in a change of attitude on the part of many of those who didn't support the legislation initially. Once folks get used to having same-sex married couples living next door, they tend to realize there was never a good reason to prohibit same-sex marriage in the first place. Same thing is in the process of taking place with the repeal of DADT. The financial issues are going to be a lot tougher to fix. The Wall Street protests are, as I said to Bhairitu, a start. Folks are beginning to think about it. The case hasn't really been made yet in a way that will be broadly acceptable, but the seeds are being planted.
[FairfieldLife] Re: #5# Think About It... Trust
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paulo Barbosa tprobert@... wrote: Think About It... Trust Our help is in the name of the LORD, who made heaven and earth (Psalm 124:8). In who do you trust in the difficulties? In your friends? In your money? Or in the Lord? Paulo Barbosa If the difficulty is in getting a flaky pie crust then I definitely trust in the lard. I like to use half butter for flavor, but nothing makes a crust flake like the lard. Some people will go with half Crisco, but I think rendered lard from well raised, preferably heritage breed pigs with a lot of fat is superior. My complete trust in the lard extends to both savory and sweet crusts. The main thing is the temp of the ingredients when mixed (Cut only chilled fats into the flour) but as you point out so well, it boils down to trusting in the lard in the end. And the lard made the most heavenly crusts I have ever had on this earth. The lard creates them all. Yup, I'm full of praise for the glory of the lard. The king of fats, hell, the king of kings! Glory to lard in the highest and a big piece of pie to men of goodwill. Since I allowed lard into my life against the tyranny of low fat prejudice, my life has been full of joy from the lard.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Brooklyn Bridge Occupied
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 8:46 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: This should not be. These people are trespassing on my property. I own the Brooklyn Bridge. Mark Landau sold it to me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: snip I'll tell you why. Â In the beginning, I thought I could change humankind. Â Today, I know I cannot. Â If I still shout today, if I still scream, it is to prevent humankind from ultimately changing me. This kind of thing just doesn't move me anymore. Maybe 30 years ago you drop this line at the end of a speech, and people go ooh and ah. That time passed, for me at least.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
It's true that different quotes speak to each of us at different times in our lives. I'm currently doing some introspection and revisiting my past, for whatever reason. 30 years ago I was 18...and screaming loudly. I've seen several quotes by Elie Wiesel recently - interesting character in my view for his time. From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2011 10:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: snip I'll tell you why. Â In the beginning, I thought I could change humankind. Â Today, I know I cannot. Â If I still shout today, if I still scream, it is to prevent humankind from ultimately changing me. This kind of thing just doesn't move me anymore. Maybe 30 years ago you drop this line at the end of a speech, and people go ooh and ah. That time passed, for me at least.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: By bringing attention to the criminals who have crippled the US economy and the global economy as well. These goons need to be arrested, tried and locked away in prison. As long as they reign you will not see an improved economy, just mass theft by them. They all travel internationally. Why not just wait 'till they leave the country then shoot 'em down from a drone?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Attention to Wall Street malfeasance overdue
What I posted was not what you are bringing up here. Nor am I at all impressed by pajamasmedia. From: richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2011 7:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Attention to Wall Street malfeasance overdue Denise Evans: ...the financial sector gambled away billions of our dollars, we bailed them out, and they have done nothing to repay the American people or take any responsibility for their scandalous behavior. The question is, can he run on his record in 2012, and the answer is no, because it's abysmal. He took a trillion dollars and where it went, nobody knows. He dismantled healthcare, he weakened America around the world, he sold out the State of Israel. All he's got to run on is being a Democrat and indicting the other fellow... http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/06/14/mamet-on-obama/ So, I wonder how many millionaires actually work on Wall Street? Nobody seems to paying much attention to the tea party protestors, except maybe the people that have to work on Wall Street. According to what I've read, most people that work on Wall Street are cashiers, clerks, traders, and rank-and-file city workers, middle-class people earning less than $100,000 a year - mostly democrats with 401Ks. The mayor of NYC is a millionaire and a democrat. How many democrats in the U.S. Congress are millionaires?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Redbelt Rocked, thanks Barry!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I loved House of Games and would see anything with Ricky Jay in it. I now have The Spanish Prisoner at the top of my Netflix cue, thanks. Mamet seems to stock his films with great actors. One funny comment he made about how he doesn't want them to improvise, he said , if I needed them to improvise that would mean I wasn't much of a writer, or something to that effect. In a completely different zone, I just saw The Illusionist which was an animated, mostly silent film, and was very impressed. Very French, very cool. I highly recommend The Illusionist (2006) with Edward Norton. Takes place in turnof the century Vienna. No animation. I saw Ricky Live Off Broadway a few years ago in Ricky Jay and his 52 Assistants. Amazing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So happy you enjoyed it, Curtis. I first heard of it on the Rama-oriented forum, probably because so many of us there have been or still are involved in the martial arts. David Mamet is a curious guy. You either love his mannered, not-natural dialogue or you hate it. I can actually tolerate it because I can follow the themes he obsesses on in his movies -- honor, the art of the con, misdirection. Have you seen any of his great con movies, such as House Of Games and The Spanish Prisoner? Ricky Jay (truly great card artist) is often in his movies not only because he's a tremendous character but because he and Mamet share a passion for stage magic and the art of the con and the art of misdirection. I'm suspecting, Curtis, that you might really get into David Mamet. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Saw it loved it, saw it again with the director's comments, loved it even more. Thanks for the tip. Some real rockstars of Brazilian Jiu-jitsu in the movie. I needed to hear from Mamet about his reason for the dojo head believing that competition would hurt the purity of his practice. It was not credible because the Brazilian guys all love competitions as the only way to see if you have it right. So once I could get over a blackbelt getting this wrong by suspending my disbelief I could go along with his premise that this guy WAS wrong about that. He had to face this in the end. I wouldn't have known his thinking without the commentary. I also didn't understand why the lawyer chick slapped him at the end, for betraying his own principles of facing fear. It was ten times better than I expected due to David's 5 years of training. He is really into the sport. Fantastic! Thanks. David makes a reference to a documentary done on Hickson Gracie that is now up on Youttube called Choke. I'm watching that now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdRIBYw6kNQ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: #5# Think About It... Trust
Praise the lard. I have been looking for the lard for some time now. The true lard cannot be found at any outlets or storefronts in my neighborhood. False lards, such as Crisco and various oily substitutes abound however, and I have settled on butter for my crusts. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2011 9:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: #5# Think About It... Trust --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paulo Barbosa tprobert@... wrote: Think About It... Trust Our help is in the name of the LORD, who made heaven and earth (Psalm 124:8). In who do you trust in the difficulties? In your friends? In your money? Or in the Lord? Paulo Barbosa If the difficulty is in getting a flaky pie crust then I definitely trust in the lard. I like to use half butter for flavor, but nothing makes a crust flake like the lard. Some people will go with half Crisco, but I think rendered lard from well raised, preferably heritage breed pigs with a lot of fat is superior. My complete trust in the lard extends to both savory and sweet crusts. The main thing is the temp of the ingredients when mixed (Cut only chilled fats into the flour) but as you point out so well, it boils down to trusting in the lard in the end. And the lard made the most heavenly crusts I have ever had on this earth. The lard creates them all. Yup, I'm full of praise for the glory of the lard. The king of fats, hell, the king of kings! Glory to lard in the highest and a big piece of pie to men of goodwill. Since I allowed lard into my life against the tyranny of low fat prejudice, my life has been full of joy from the lard.
[FairfieldLife] Interesting quote on George Harrison and The Beatles
From: Ken Chawkin kchaw...@mum.edu It was a hugely involving event, which made a serious, reasoned case for George Harrison as an authentically spiritual figure in pop music, a musician who, alone in the Beatles, and perhaps alone in 60s pop culture, genuinely cared about the life of the spirit and the nature of the transcendental. And with his 1971 concert for Bangladesh, George Harrison invented the benefit gig. http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2011/sep/19/san-sebastian-film-festivalSan Sebastián film festival: from ghosts to George Harrison
[FairfieldLife] Re: Redbelt Rocked, thanks Barry!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I loved House of Games and would see anything with Ricky Jay in it. I now have The Spanish Prisoner at the top of my Netflix cue, thanks. Mamet seems to stock his films with great actors. One funny comment he made about how he doesn't want them to improvise, he said , if I needed them to improvise that would mean I wasn't much of a writer, or something to that effect. In a completely different zone, I just saw The Illusionist which was an animated, mostly silent film, and was very impressed. Very French, very cool. I highly recommend The Illusionist (2006) with Edward Norton. Takes place in turnof the century Vienna. No animation. I actually thought this was the movie I was ordering from Netflix. I'll get it, thanks. I saw Ricky Live Off Broadway a few years ago in Ricky Jay and his 52 Assistants. Amazing. Must have been great. Did you get hit by any flying cards!? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So happy you enjoyed it, Curtis. I first heard of it on the Rama-oriented forum, probably because so many of us there have been or still are involved in the martial arts. David Mamet is a curious guy. You either love his mannered, not-natural dialogue or you hate it. I can actually tolerate it because I can follow the themes he obsesses on in his movies -- honor, the art of the con, misdirection. Have you seen any of his great con movies, such as House Of Games and The Spanish Prisoner? Ricky Jay (truly great card artist) is often in his movies not only because he's a tremendous character but because he and Mamet share a passion for stage magic and the art of the con and the art of misdirection. I'm suspecting, Curtis, that you might really get into David Mamet. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Saw it loved it, saw it again with the director's comments, loved it even more. Thanks for the tip. Some real rockstars of Brazilian Jiu-jitsu in the movie. I needed to hear from Mamet about his reason for the dojo head believing that competition would hurt the purity of his practice. It was not credible because the Brazilian guys all love competitions as the only way to see if you have it right. So once I could get over a blackbelt getting this wrong by suspending my disbelief I could go along with his premise that this guy WAS wrong about that. He had to face this in the end. I wouldn't have known his thinking without the commentary. I also didn't understand why the lawyer chick slapped him at the end, for betraying his own principles of facing fear. It was ten times better than I expected due to David's 5 years of training. He is really into the sport. Fantastic! Thanks. David makes a reference to a documentary done on Hickson Gracie that is now up on Youttube called Choke. I'm watching that now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdRIBYw6kNQ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
true, policy at the top level can help make adjustments at lower levels. But in relation to the original discussion, I believe it's going to take a lot more than just electing a charismatic leader who makes some policy change to fix our nations economy as a whole. My opinion, FWIW, is that we are a nation of consumption without contribution to match it, takers rather than givers, or people with a sense of entitlement with a warped view of what we're really entitled to. I think that as long as we function in that mindset, we will have problems no matter what policies are in place. I could expand on what i'm talking about in terms of consumption vs. contribution, but I assume you get the point. I don't necessarily like Obama, but I dislike the heat he got for admiring Europe so much, because a lot of Europe is a good economic model. But what his primary mistake was that he assumed Europe is doing better because of policy rather than giving credit to their citizens. Most of their countries citizens do not consume or waste nearly as much as Americans do. I don't believe they expect quite as much either. From what I have seen, they don't have the same laziness as we do either. I don't mean to say they are raging workaholics. What I am saying is that their proportion of work and expectations for benefits are a lot more balanced than here in America. Until Americans can achieve more balance like that, I don't know that any policy at a higher level is going to guarantee a better outcome. My opinion is that Americans are very bi-polar, either greedy or lazy. I haven't met very many in-betweens, though they are out there. I think that is the fundamental change that needs to take place. seekliberation I don't know if I agree with you on this--at least not in the sense that we have to wait until that adjustment has taken place across the board before we can really do anything to improve the situation. Policy changes and legislation can make a big difference, maybe even themselves facilitate attitude adjustment. Of course we need an attitude adjustment on the part of those who make policy and pass legislation. Sometimes that requires an attitude adjustment to take place first on the part of their constituents, but not always by any means. Anyway, I guess I see it as a more integrated, interactive process, working from both ends at once for change. One example that occurs to me is same-sex marriage. Some attitude adjustment had to take place before there could be legislation to make it legal, but making it legal has resulted in a change of attitude on the part of many of those who didn't support the legislation initially. Once folks get used to having same-sex married couples living next door, they tend to realize there was never a good reason to prohibit same-sex marriage in the first place. Same thing is in the process of taking place with the repeal of DADT. The financial issues are going to be a lot tougher to fix. The Wall Street protests are, as I said to Bhairitu, a start. Folks are beginning to think about it. The case hasn't really been made yet in a way that will be broadly acceptable, but the seeds are being planted.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
On 10/02/2011 10:24 AM, Tom Pall wrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Bhairitunoozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: By bringing attention to the criminals who have crippled the US economy and the global economy as well. These goons need to be arrested, tried and locked away in prison. As long as they reign you will not see an improved economy, just mass theft by them. They all travel internationally. Why not just wait 'till they leave the country then shoot 'em down from a drone? Many of them fly over my house in their copters as they go to and from their offices in San Francisco to Buchanan Field where they started parking their corporate jets about a year after 9/11. That field is away from any major airport in the Bay Area so probably less hassle in coming and going as they please. And they do this anytime day or night. And yes the corporate jets sometimes go flying over.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you. Carl Jung --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: You're right, things could get better, and I hope they do (in terms of the fairness you're talking about). snip But the overall point from the beginning, is that we aren't going to fix this country by changing a policy, electing a charismatic or charming leader, or signing a bill. We will have to make a major adjustment in our own state of mind and way of life at the individual level. seekliberation
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fascist thugs trap demonstrators on Brooklyn Bridge
On 10/01/2011 02:14 PM, Bhairitu wrote: There are mass arrests: http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution And according to the MSM over 700 arrests. Now here's the thing. I was watching the protests on LiveStream and the cops were shepherding the protesters to keep them off the street and instead on the sidewalks. The protesters were obeying. The question is and what people seem to claim is that the cops shepherded them onto the bridge and then corralled them so they could arrest the protesters for blocking traffic. If that is the case they made a grand mistake and the shit will really hit the fan this week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Redbelt Rocked, thanks Barry!
No, but the people in front of me did. He is remarkable. Loved House of Cards, too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I loved House of Games and would see anything with Ricky Jay in it. I now have The Spanish Prisoner at the top of my Netflix cue, thanks. Mamet seems to stock his films with great actors. One funny comment he made about how he doesn't want them to improvise, he said , if I needed them to improvise that would mean I wasn't much of a writer, or something to that effect. In a completely different zone, I just saw The Illusionist which was an animated, mostly silent film, and was very impressed. Very French, very cool. I highly recommend The Illusionist (2006) with Edward Norton. Takes place in turnof the century Vienna. No animation. I actually thought this was the movie I was ordering from Netflix. I'll get it, thanks. I saw Ricky Live Off Broadway a few years ago in Ricky Jay and his 52 Assistants. Amazing. Must have been great. Did you get hit by any flying cards!? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So happy you enjoyed it, Curtis. I first heard of it on the Rama-oriented forum, probably because so many of us there have been or still are involved in the martial arts. David Mamet is a curious guy. You either love his mannered, not-natural dialogue or you hate it. I can actually tolerate it because I can follow the themes he obsesses on in his movies -- honor, the art of the con, misdirection. Have you seen any of his great con movies, such as House Of Games and The Spanish Prisoner? Ricky Jay (truly great card artist) is often in his movies not only because he's a tremendous character but because he and Mamet share a passion for stage magic and the art of the con and the art of misdirection. I'm suspecting, Curtis, that you might really get into David Mamet. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Saw it loved it, saw it again with the director's comments, loved it even more. Thanks for the tip. Some real rockstars of Brazilian Jiu-jitsu in the movie. I needed to hear from Mamet about his reason for the dojo head believing that competition would hurt the purity of his practice. It was not credible because the Brazilian guys all love competitions as the only way to see if you have it right. So once I could get over a blackbelt getting this wrong by suspending my disbelief I could go along with his premise that this guy WAS wrong about that. He had to face this in the end. I wouldn't have known his thinking without the commentary. I also didn't understand why the lawyer chick slapped him at the end, for betraying his own principles of facing fear. It was ten times better than I expected due to David's 5 years of training. He is really into the sport. Fantastic! Thanks. David makes a reference to a documentary done on Hickson Gracie that is now up on Youttube called Choke. I'm watching that now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdRIBYw6kNQ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.comwrote: My opinion is that Americans are very bi-polar, either greedy or lazy. I haven't met very many in-betweens, though they are out there. I think that is the fundamental change that needs to take place. You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Such is it with China and India. We import zillions of Indians who wouldn't even qualify to have a high school diploma in the US, their college education is a sham. We import the 3rd world in to do professional jobs, we export what used to be our good paying skilled labor jobs out of the country. So we become a third world country. Perot was right. That great big sucking sound.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
You're blaming the the average American because they were sold these things by the con men? I'm blaming both. The drug dealer and the drug user are both doing something wrong, not just one or the other. I've pointed out many times here on FFL, this is a conspiracy to put people out of their homes so the crooks can buy them for pennies on the dollar. And for the record, I'm not the only one saying this. It is an open conspiracy and becoming more and more evident each day. I'm in agreement with you that there is some corruption out there. The whole housing market boom of the 90's was a big crock of shit. Selling homes to people who can't read between the lines. The only difference between you and me is that I feel it is a 2-way street to avoid this calamity, whereas you think it is a simple matter of bringing down the giant. My opinion is people need to be smarter than that, and at the same time big business Wall St. shouldn't take advantage of people that easily. My point was that things don't have to turn ugly if we make sure that austerity measures are not forced down the public throats while the rich continue to live high on the hog. I hope it doesn't turn ugly. But America has shown its true colors many times when people didn't have their needs met, New Orleans in 2004-05 was a good example. But then in Tennessee when those horrible floods came in, there were no serious problems at all, so it all comes down to the territory you're in. I, personally, am not in all that safe of a place. That is the 'tude that makes you sound like a wingnut. They are always spouting such platitudes and bragging about how perfect they are. It is very elitist. I don't hear liberals bragging about themselves anywhere near as much. I don't think i'm perfect, I just don't allow my imperfections to cause problems to other people. And i'm no elitist either, and can't stand being around them. An elitist is usually someone who tries to outperform others or has an attitude of being above others. If anything, I tend to think less of myself as opposed to more. Strange that you'd say i'm an elitist, nobody who knows me would ever say such a thing. If I say the sky is blue today with intermittent cumulus clouds does that mean I'm attached to the sky? Likewise if I want to talk about economic policy, protests, etc it doesn't mean I'm attached to them anymore than I'm attached to the sky. Line on water. Liberation ain't a 'tude dude. It's a state of consciousness. I assume most people here are well on the way down that road. But I think you have a naive understanding of liberation and are trying to project it on others. You certainly misperceive me. You're right, it is a state of consciousness. No, I am not trying to project anything on anyone, and I have my doubts as to whether or not my understanding of spirituality could be categorized as 'naive'. And no, there is no problem with talking about economy/protests. You and I do see the same problem with Wall Street and big business. We will have to agree to disagree on whether or not it's a 'one way street' of fixing the problem or not. I still contend that Americans need to wisen up. Perhaps we have too many kids dropping out of school and too many adults unable to distinguish between a good deal and a bad deal. I think both the economic giants and the common people need some work. Collapse is just change. One could have predicted (and folks did) 200 years ago this country would eventually collapse. A capitalistic system needs lots of slack and space to survive. As the population rises it is not so wonderful at providing the population with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. So a new system needs to come into place. Fine with me! Ignorance is not bliss. Sticking your head in the sand is not liberation, it is ignorance. Do you really want the US to become one big corporation? Would you want to live in a world where you only get what rights a corporation will give you? Corporations aren't democratic. We can agree do disagree on this one too. I don't see improvising to my circumstances as being ignorant. There were times in my life where I was working way more than I wanted, so I made changes in my life to get away from that. I'm doing really well now and not working nearly as hard. And as far as corporations giving rights? You'll have to explain that one in depth to me. I've never worked for any company where I had any major rights taken away from me. Which brings me back to the young people who are involved in the protests. A few months back here I reported on a study which showed that 20 somethings did not want to work as hard as previous generations. They have decided they want to earn less money and have more free time. Working 80 hour weeks is not a very good life. And if as I've also been posting here there is only enough work on this planet for people to be working 1/3 of the year.
[FairfieldLife] WTF?
from the BatGap Blog: Jim Flanegin on October 1, 2011 at 2:22 pm said (commenting on www.batgap.com, Karen Richards interviewed by Rick Archer): I really got a lot out of this interview. Because of Karen's career as a senior nurse, she is able to draw precise distinctions and clearly describe concepts regarding awakening. I remember when I was first beginning to meditate (TM), and being one who always preferred to learn from first-hand experience, I found it so refreshing to read or hear about something I had been experiencing, like another voice in the wild. Now, after waking up, not in hell actually, like some [Karen earlier referred to her experience of waking up in hell], but as a result of what I considered at the time a stressful time in my life, the pinnacle of my self-deceit (lol), the house of cards of conditioned beliefs, the incessant thought patterns, and endless checklists to support all of this flimsy identity, collapsed, in about 45 minutes. Afterwards, I felt empty and at peace with myself for the first time in my life, where I could trust it, and knew I was meant to be here, now, it felt solid. The nothingness was solid, and continues to be. Oh yeah, and I have been to hell while fully awake, and it *still* pretty much sucks what would you expect, right? Last but not least, it is amazing to have this resource Rick, and all of your guests, to serve as a repository of scripture; transcendental truth. Thank you for providing it! Then I got a response on the Batgap Blog from chuckee, and responded: Jim Flanegin on October 2, 2011 at 9:53 am said: ** Hi chuckee, Thanks for your questions I copied your post below and answered in-line: chuckee: Hi Jim. I love your story. Do you think it happened because of the stressful time or did it just all of a sudden start to happen in such a way that it could have come anytime? ** It was during a time when I was trying my hardest to have a successful outcome (get hired at a company), as I understood the world, so the stress came from the near complete cognitive dissonance between what I thought I was doing, and what happened (didn't get the job, despite being convinced I was one with god, etc, etc, etc). My previous state was built out of experiences, but they were all misunderstood by the ego, misunderstood to be facets of my experience that I could will into being, in service to who I thought I was. chuckee: Was it like one insight that caught hold and then others came, and then it was like everything unraveled until it collapsed? ** I recall being in deep despair after I had been turned down for the job. There was a subtle sense that nothing I was doing was working. This grew in intensity for a couple of days as I recall. Then one morning, the final matchstick broke, and I was flooded with tears and perspiration for about 45 minutes a complete cleansing and washing away of everything I had sought so strenuously to keep in place. During that time a complete feeling of relief and surrender and letting go washed over me again and again, and I was in a state of blissful witness during the experience. I have been still and empty within myself since then. There was no way to return to the former edifice of matchsticks, and no desire to. Then my journey of discovery of life began anew. chuckee: Was it smooth all the way or did something just give way leaving void? Or was it more like something collapsed, then something else collapsed, and continued until done. Did you find it obvious, like; `wow this is always the way it is!'? God! You watched yourself unmanifest in 45 minutes! Was it kinda like that? Empty and peace, solid, and kick ass alive! Yes? And it continues. How long ago this happen? ** It was in the spring of 2005. And yes, the process of awakening very much continues. About six months into my initial awakening I was so blinded and overcome by my sense of relief and seeing the world as it is, free from my psychological suffering, that I did not notice that I still had a lot of work to do in continuing to awaken lol. The initial experience continued, the deep foundation of silence, the identification of Now as me, without anything else to grasp onto. And yet, having lived for awhile already, there were habits of thought and action that I was unaware of, and came into awareness of subsequently, and continuously. Now that I know such things are not me, it is easy to see them for what they are and modify them, or let them dissolve. chuckee: Do you find that it's much more than solid and trustworthy, in that it is your very being? Do you find it all quite funny? ** Yes, I find the whole thing ultimately meaningless and hilarious too. Then it is time to empty the dishwasher, or compose a song or do anything else that needs doing. Staying out of my own way has become both a science, uncovering that which needs to be seen, and an artform, living gracefully, moment to moment. And
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's 'true' successor?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip As to anyone can evaluate the TM teaching BEFORE they get involved: for some value of evaluate, perhaps, as long as the evaluation doesn't have to be either complete or accurate. This is the most interesting question that made me want to respond to your post. The question of how much disclosure is appropriate for the movement. I hope you are equally interested in pursuing it Judy. Goodness knows we've discussed it before. Where could you get a complete and accurate understanding of the movement before signing up? You can't. It's the nature of the beast. You pretty much have a choice between a negative/incomplete/ inaccurate picture and a positive/incomplete/inaccurate picture. Me, I'm glad I got the latter before the former; at least that gave me the opportunity to form a more complete/accurate picture, negatives and positives both, from (more or less) the inside. I hate to think where I'd be now if I'd heard the former first and been dissuaded. Certainly not from the movement itself. I believe that even the understanding of what the puja means is appropriate full disclosure for anyone considering TM. I don't. Or rather, I don't think it's possible. I don't think one has the intellectual or experiential tools to evaluate what you think of as full disclosure before having some significant experience of the technique and exposure to the teaching. And because teachers were trained to be deceptive about their relationship with Maharishi it is also helpful to have information about that beforehand. You'll need to be more specific here. I'm not sure it matters to the average person considering TM. Mike provided people with different opinions about the movement from people whose views differed from the movements self perception. That seems appropriate even if someone is considering buying a toaster, how much more important to consider before practicing a technique that promises to change your brain's functioning? When I am considering a book on Amazon I read a bunch of reviews and make a more informed decision. Sometimes even the ones I end up disagreeing with the most turn out to be very helpful in figuring out if I will like a book. These are really bogus parallels. It's pretty easy to comprehend the relevant facts about a toaster, a mechanical object with a very limited function. And opinions on books are just about completely subjective, involving very little in the way of facts. Apples and kiwi fruit. I can easily imagine someone reading my movement criticism and going this is an nonspiritual guy whose tastes are completely different from my own. Indeed. But who are you to say whether the person whose tastes are similar to yours shouldn't have the chance to judge for themselves? *I'd* have agreed with your nonspiritual approach before I started TM. I wasn't at all interested in getting spiritual. During the three days of checking, I told my initiator I thought all the spiritual stuff was mumbo-jumbo. It is an interesting question whether you think the movement gets the flow of information about its practices right. Do you think meditaters have a right to know what the puja means? I think right is too loaded a term. Do they *need* to know it? And what is it that they'd learn anyway? An English translation of the Sanskrit--iffy at best--which they'd understand in Western terms. They don't have the context. How about that, although they are told they are only witnessing it, in fact, according to Hinduism, they are participating in the only way Hindus ever do, by bringing their own offerings and letting the priest offer them on their behalf. If you aren't a Hindu, what does it matter what Hindus do? I just don't get this perspective at all. (In any case, you'd have to be blind not to make some connection between your offerings and what the initiator does with them.) Does the puja make the initiator a Hindu? There are plenty of initiators who belong to other religions--some of them even *clergy* of other religions--who don't think so. Does it make the initiate a Hindu? Not if the initiate doesn't assent to being made a Hindu. You're giving way more power to Hindu tradition than it warrants, making it the arbiter of reality, and you don't even believe in it! We used to send people out to get the offerings if they forgot anything and never provided them to make sure that they were actually participating, without their knowledge. Because we knew that they couldn't be trusted with full disclosure and knew what was best for them. We were preserving their innocence! I'm sorry, but trust is a loaded and, frankly, bullshit term in this context. You knew what you call full disclosure would confuse the hell out of them because they wouldn't have the background to understand it. When I
[FairfieldLife] Re: #5# Think About It... Trust
Yes, Paulo. In God I do trust. But all others must pay cash. Is that what you mean? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paulo Barbosa tprobert@... wrote: Think About It... Trust Our help is in the name of the LORD, who made heaven and earth (Psalm 124:8). In who do you trust in the difficulties? In your friends? In your money? Or in the Lord? Paulo Barbosa
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
Bernie burned him bad. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: I've seen several quotes by Elie Wiesel recently - interesting character in my view for his time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: #5# Think About It... Trust
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I think rendered lard from well raised, preferably heritage breed pigs with a lot of fat is superior. Mangalitsa is the heritage breed you're looking for: http://woolypigs.com/_introduction.html http://chefshop.com/Mangalitsa-Pig-Lard-P7268.aspx
[FairfieldLife] Re: #5# Think About It... Trust
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Praise the lard. Â I have been looking for the lard for some time now. Â The true lard cannot be found at any outlets or storefronts in my neighborhood. And, even if you do find lard, if it's from any of the large meat packing corps, it's hydrogenated. Plain rendered lard with no heavy processing or added crap is now a delicacy that has to be ordered from gourmet companies.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
funny you mention Perot. I turned 18 when he was running for Pres. I wanted him to win. Everyone I worked with was either a die hard democrat or republican and considered me to be young, stupid, and naive for looking at an independant. seekliberation Perot was right. That great big sucking sound.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention to Wall Street malfeasance overdue
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: What I posted was not what you are bringing up here. Nor am I at all impressed by pajamasmedia. Nor, presumably, by playwright David Mamet, who is currently being lionized in a movie thread here. [Willytex quotes Mamet:] The question is, can he run on his record in 2012, and the answer is no, because it's abysmal. He took a trillion dollars and where it went, nobody knows. He dismantled healthcare, he weakened America around the world, he sold out the State of Israel. All he's got to run on is being a Democrat and indicting the other fellow... http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/06/14/mamet-on-obama/ Not exactly a fair fight, but Christopher Hitchens disembowels Mamet's recent book, The Secret Knowledge, here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/19/books/review/book-review-the-secret-knowledge-by-david-mamet.html?ref=davidmamet http://tinyurl.com/3z39cxq Short interview with Mamet here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/29/magazine/david-mamet-talks-about-his-shift-to-the-right.html?ref=davidmamet http://tinyurl.com/3zqpeuj
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 6:28 PM, seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.comwrote: funny you mention Perot. I turned 18 when he was running for Pres. I wanted him to win. Everyone I worked with was either a die hard democrat or republican and considered me to be young, stupid, and naive for looking at an independant. But of course Perot was a nutcase who's ideas were unworkable. Plus, a somewhat credible third party candidate splits the electoral college the wrong way, in opposition to the general will of the people. I was watching a biography of Ralph Nadir right now. There was a brief flash of the turbulent 60s hippie times. Imagine today's youth going counterculture. With Starbucks, Spring Break and $400 cell phones. Amazing. The hippies went into business, became the ultimate in consumers, raised a bunch of spoiled, unruly brats that got us to where the world is now. Yup, social engineer always works, doesn't it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: #5# Think About It... Trust
Excellent find Alex! Should have known you would have nailed this down. My lard needs are mostly met by my own rendering, but if I was cranking out pies I would definitely consider that 4 pound tub. Here is a place in Iowa with the best prosciutto: http://laquercia.us Here is where I get my pork from a small farmer in Va: http://forestfed.com/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I think rendered lard from well raised, preferably heritage breed pigs with a lot of fat is superior. Mangalitsa is the heritage breed you're looking for: http://woolypigs.com/_introduction.html http://chefshop.com/Mangalitsa-Pig-Lard-P7268.aspx
[FairfieldLife] Declaration of the Occupation of New York City
Declaration of the Occupation of New York City Posted on September 30, 2011 http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/ by NYCGA http://nycga.cc/author/admin/ This document was accepted by the NYC General Assembly on september 29, 2011 http://nycga.cc/?p=777#declaration _ As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies. As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known. They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage. They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses. They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one's skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation. They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization. They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices. They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions. They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right. They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers' healthcare and pay. They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility. They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance. They have sold our privacy as a commodity. They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit. They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce. They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them. They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil. They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people's lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit. They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit. They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media. They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt. They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas. They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. * To the people of the world, We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power. Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone. To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal. Join us and make your voices heard! *These grievances are not all-inclusive.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
your point below is what i've been trying to make for quite some time now. perhaps I didn't put it into as good of a set of words as you, and i'm about to take off for a month and don't have time to elaborate. Sure, the big wigs have some guilt, but so does the whole hippie/babyboomer generation along with this new generation and their ultimate sense of entitlement that accompanies them. seekliberation Imagine today's youth going counterculture. With Starbucks, Spring Break and $400 cell phones. Amazing. The hippies went into business, became the ultimate in consumers, raised a bunch of spoiled, unruly brats that got us to where the world is now. Yup, social engineer always works, doesn't it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of the Occupation of New York City
The wall street occupancy group is too scattered in their goals. THERE SHOULD BE ONE GOAL WHICH WILL SOLVE ALL THE OTHER GOALS Stop politicians from getting any money for campaigns. All candidates who garner a certain number of backers should get a flat rate sum from the government for their total campaign expense. They should not be allowed to spend a penny more, not even their own money. NO SPECIAL INTEREST WHO PAY, NO OTHER BENEFITS GIVEN BY LOBBY GROUPS, NO RICH MANS CLUB... NONE. This one thing would stop wars, (military industrial) drug abuses (drug companies) foreign interest lobby's, bankers influence, and on and on. A poor man with good policies would have an equal playing field with the rich. There isn't one issue that's being raised that this wouldn't solve. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Declaration of the Occupation of New York City Posted on September 30, 2011 http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/ by NYCGA http://nycga.cc/author/admin/ This document was accepted by the NYC General Assembly on september 29, 2011 http://nycga.cc/?p=777#declaration _ As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies. As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known. They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage. They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses. They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one's skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation. They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization. They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices. They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions. They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right. They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers' healthcare and pay. They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility. They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance. They have sold our privacy as a commodity. They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit. They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce. They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them. They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil. They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people's lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit. They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit. They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media. They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt. They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas. They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. * To the people of the world, We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power. Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:24 PM, seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.comwrote: your point below is what i've been trying to make for quite some time now. perhaps I didn't put it into as good of a set of words as you, and i'm about to take off for a month and don't have time to elaborate. Sure, the big wigs have some guilt, but so does the whole hippie/babyboomer generation along with this new generation and their ultimate sense of entitlement that accompanies them. seekliberation Imagine today's youth going counterculture. With Starbucks, Spring Break and $400 cell phones. Amazing. The hippies went into business, became the ultimate in consumers, raised a bunch of spoiled, unruly brats that got us to where the world is now. Yup, social engineer always works, doesn't it? If there's any doubt about where the country is and why, remember the postings of Rudra Joe. Remember the many here coaching him to declare bankruptcy to get out from under the loans he took out to go to MIU. Loans which no one seemed to bother to research, cannot be absolved by declaring bankruptcy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: true, policy at the top level can help make adjustments at lower levels. But in relation to the original discussion, I believe it's going to take a lot more than just electing a charismatic leader who makes some policy change to fix our nations economy as a whole. I don't think anyone is suggesting that's all it would take, actually. My opinion, FWIW, is that we are a nation of consumption without contribution to match it, takers rather than givers, or people with a sense of entitlement with a warped view of what we're really entitled to. I think that as long as we function in that mindset, we will have problems no matter what policies are in place. I could expand on what i'm talking about in terms of consumption vs. contribution, but I assume you get the point. Yes, but I think it's *WAY* too simplistic. Not that there isn't some truth to it, but it's nowhere near as broadly true as you'd like to make it. I don't necessarily like Obama, but I dislike the heat he got for admiring Europe so much, because a lot of Europe is a good economic model. But what his primary mistake was that he assumed Europe is doing better because of policy rather than giving credit to their citizens. Most of their countries citizens do not consume or waste nearly as much as Americans do. I don't believe they expect quite as much either. In what sense? Expect quite as much of what, specifically? In some respects they get *more* than we do--free or low- cost health care, mandated vacation time, and so on. From what I have seen, they don't have the same laziness as we do either. I don't mean to say they are raging workaholics. What I am saying is that their proportion of work and expectations for benefits are a lot more balanced than here in America. I really think you have to get more specific here. Americans are notorious for being workaholics. Where do you see this laziness? Until Americans can achieve more balance like that, I don't know that any policy at a higher level is going to guarantee a better outcome. And yet the right in this country labels the European balance as socialism. My opinion is that Americans are very bi-polar, either greedy or lazy. I haven't met very many in-betweens, though they are out there. Again, way too simplistic. This is a really big country, and you just can't generalize that broadly. I think that is the fundamental change that needs to take place. That, we agree on. Have a good October.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: snip I'm in agreement with you that there is some corruption out there. The whole housing market boom of the 90's was a big crock of shit. Selling homes to people who can't read between the lines. The only difference between you and me is that I feel it is a 2-way street to avoid this calamity, whereas you think it is a simple matter of bringing down the giant. My opinion is people need to be smarter than that, and at the same time big business Wall St. shouldn't take advantage of people that easily. Just one more comment... So much of what went on with the housing crisis went on *completely out of sight*. Very few knew it was happening--including many in the mortgage business and financial experts--until it all came crashing down. Even the smartest people got taken unaware. Most Americans still don't understand what happened. I have really only a vague sense of the specifics. It's just terribly arcane and complicated. You simply can't expect ordinary people living their lives to have enough knowledge and insight into it to avoid being swept up in it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: #5# Think About It... Trust
From Food and Wine: http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/lard-the-new-health-food http://tinyurl.com/27zrr2 Trouble is, you have to kill pigs to get the lard. From the Food issue of the NYTimes magazine this weekend: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/10/02/magazine/29mag-food-issue.html?ref=dining#/curiosities http://tinyurl.com/4yz6agg Scroll down to the end of the column, What's the Most Delicious Thing You've Eaten? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Excellent find Alex! Should have known you would have nailed this down. My lard needs are mostly met by my own rendering, but if I was cranking out pies I would definitely consider that 4 pound tub. Here is a place in Iowa with the best prosciutto: http://laquercia.us Here is where I get my pork from a small farmer in Va: http://forestfed.com/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I think rendered lard from well raised, preferably heritage breed pigs with a lot of fat is superior. Mangalitsa is the heritage breed you're looking for: http://woolypigs.com/_introduction.html http://chefshop.com/Mangalitsa-Pig-Lard-P7268.aspx
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 8:22 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: Just one more comment... So much of what went on with the housing crisis went on *completely out of sight*. Very few knew it was happening--including many in the mortgage business and financial experts--until it all came crashing down. Even the smartest people got taken unaware. Most Americans still don't understand what happened. I have really only a vague sense of the specifics. It's just terribly arcane and complicated. You simply can't expect ordinary people living their lives to have enough knowledge and insight into it to avoid being swept up in it. I got out of all my housebuilding stocks / developer stocks years early but still prospered.It was 2002, I was driving around Overland Park, KS, a town that pretty much sprang up from next to nothing overnight. I'd watched the home equity boom go on for years, watched people who shouldn't have been allowed to buy the most amazing houses, got solicited by broker after broker about how I could buy some property and flip it in a matter of months. I felt very sick to my stomach. This all seemed so wrong. I should have made a connection between housing, tulips and Rockefeller getting out of stocks when his shoe shine boy started telling him about the stocks he was buying. What I felt very strongly was that it was wrong. Yes, I've heard all the bitching and moaning about how people are being deprived of their houses, how they were lead down a garden path to slaughter, but fact was, it was greed on all sides. It was Rudra Joe running up a $100,000 student loan to go to MIU then bitching that tuition was too much so he shouldn't have to pay off the loan, but the people who bought those houses weren't fools. They knew how to count. It all came crashing down. It was, as in most booms and busts, greed, pure and simple. But I don't blame the bankers. I don't blame the rating agencies, I don't blame the mortgage repackagers as much as I blame the buyers, who bitch that somehow they deserve to live in a 5,000 square foot house. Anybody go back to the old neighborhood? My old neighborhoods no longer exist. But I look at houses build at about the same time in other parts of the country. Heck. A family of 5 or 6 lived in a bit more space than the hotel suite I occupy tonight and considered it pretty much a palace. Entitled, indeed. Don't forget that the housing boom was another Democratic social engineering virus. Force banks, SLs and others to offer mortgages to those who otherwise couldn't afford to buy a house. Not because they weren't deserving, but because this is the US and not Norway. 20% of the population of the US will always occupy the lower 20% of the economic pie. That's why they're referred to as 20% of the population. Anyone remember what guys used to say in those WWII movies, that that pilot bought the farm? Home ownership was not written into the Bill of Rights.
[FairfieldLife] No One Can Do What Countrywide Can!
And neither could Countrywide: :-D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLFRIyRk3AA (An example of what was going on back in the day.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] No One Can Do What Countrywide Can!
And this one really is indicting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei5OrV-CmHg They made it sound so easy! So let's stop blaming the buyers (many of whom did have good jobs at the time). On 10/02/2011 07:00 PM, Bhairitu wrote: And neither could Countrywide: :-D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLFRIyRk3AA (An example of what was going on back in the day.)
[FairfieldLife] Jennifer Lynch's Hisss
Comes out on DVD and BD this month but you can watch it now on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfpu7y4kY38 In Hindi with subtitles (be sure to click on the CC button for the subtitles).
Re: [FairfieldLife] No One Can Do What Countrywide Can!
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: And this one really is indicting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei5OrV-CmHg They made it sound so easy! So let's stop blaming the buyers (many of whom did have good jobs at the time). Let's keep blaming the buyers. A lady who got promoted quickly into a sales position she could not handle at Sprint in Overland Park, KS, lost her job despite her color and being a woman, of $110,000. Suddenly she wondered how she was going to maintain her 5,600 square foot house.What?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Arnold Reveals He Ran for Governor Based on a Whim
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:57 PM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: There you have it--the truth about actors running for political offices. http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/09/30/schwarzeneggers-decision-to-run-for-governor-was-on-a-whim/ 'roids will make you do crazy things. Like spawn with two women simultaneously.
