Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
Not sure if this is addressed to me. Just to say that after my initial post, I posted a little more detail along with the article reference for those who might be interested. Thank you to those who also supplied more details. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. Huh? The mahabhutas are the elements earth, air, fire, water and the aether/akasha. Why would there be a connection between that and the angular momentum of subatomic particles? It makes no sense, it has no meaning. Why do they do this stuff? Possibly you aren't aware that the five elements stand for much more abstract and subtle principles? I don't know enough about either the mahabhutas in Vedic metaphysics or spin types in modern physics to even begin to make a case for or against Hagelin's correspondences, but I do know they can't be dismissed quite so simplistically as you have above. There you go, arbitrary as you like: spin 0=earth spin 1/2=water spin 1=fire spin 3/2=air spin 2=space Modern Science and Vedic Science Vol 3, No 1, 1989, pg 14 I'm sorry, did you think this constitutes an argument against what I wrote? Because it's actually a complete non sequitur.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About time to short AAPL??
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[FairfieldLife] Re: She worked hard for the money
--- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: RIP Donna. Here is what was undoubtedly the first feminist disco anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKQcWEXSKU My dad had a LP record of Donna Summers in the 1970's. I think sometime in 1992 my gramophone player went phut and I never got around to fix it. It's been ages since I listened to her. Thanks Barry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, man.vedic man.vedic@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 17, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Share Long wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. What correlation is that? They both have the number 5 in them? Now that's some advanced mathematics! every possible substance or force in the universe is derived from five types of spin. Each spin is very closely matches mahabhutas . For example, the spin 2 is responsible for the curvature of space, equal to Akasha . Spin 1 - associated with electromagnetism, liability for light , heat and chemical transformation is equal to the Fire. Again, though, the five elements are principles or conditions. In one system, for example, Earth doesn't refer to soil but the principle of solidity; Fire doesn't refer to burning but to the principle of form- building; Akasha is the principle of vacuity; etc. How the principles are used in metaphysical systems is highly complex and abstract. Whether these principles have any correspondence with spin types is another question. But if you take the five elements literally, you'll be missing the point entirely. The proposed correspondences are on a vastly more abstract level. To evaluate them, you'd not only have to know a lot about physics, but also a lot about Vedic metaphysics. If you want to diss Hagelin, it would be appropriate to point out that most laypersons have no way of judging whether the correspondences he proposes have any merit. He could make something up out of whole cloth and there would be very few folks who'd be conversant enough both with spin types and with mahabhutas to be able to tell.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. Huh? The mahabhutas are the elements earth, air, fire, water and the aether/akasha. Why would there be a connection between that and the angular momentum of subatomic particles? It makes no sense, it has no meaning. Why do they do this stuff? Possibly you aren't aware that the five elements stand for much more abstract and subtle principles? I don't know enough about either the mahabhutas in Vedic metaphysics or spin types in modern physics to even begin to make a case for or against Hagelin's correspondences, but I do know they can't be dismissed quite so simplistically as you have above. There you go, arbitrary as you like: spin 0=earth spin 1/2=water spin 1=fire spin 3/2=air spin 2=space Modern Science and Vedic Science Vol 3, No 1, 1989, pg 14 I'm sorry, did you think this constitutes an argument against what I wrote? Obviously. Because it's actually a complete non sequitur. You don't get it do you? Please reread what I wrote: Possibly you aren't aware that the 'five elements' stand for much more abstract and subtle principles? The 5 spin positions relate to the five *elementary* particles that have one or the other positions. I highlight elementary because *that* is the link = Two uses of the *word* elementary, one correct - particles with no inner structure that therefore cannot be dismantled further - and the old Greek idea about elements, which is incorrect as they aren't elementary. Yeah, but it isn't the old Greek idea about elements. That's what I was pointing out in what I requoted above. And even if they were elements and couldn't be dismantled I *still* wouldn't get the connection that apparently means an Indian book is somehow mirrored subatomically. Remember, I'm not defending Hagelin's proposed correspondences, merely trying to get you to understand that you need to know a lot more about the mahabhutas to be able to refute them. (More than I know, in fact. I just know they aren't what you think they are.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Not sure if this is addressed to me. Just to say that after my initial post, I posted a little more detail along with the article reference for those who might be interested. Thank you to those who also supplied more details. Hi, Share. No, my posts were addressed to salyavin. From: authfriend jstein@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types.àHuh? The mahabhutas are the elements earth, air, fire, water and the aether/akasha. Why would there be a connection between that and the angular momentum of subatomic particles? It makes no sense, it has no meaning. Why do they do this stuff? Possibly you aren't aware that the five elements stand for much more abstract and subtle principles? I don't know enough about either the mahabhutas in Vedic metaphysics or spin types in modern physics to even begin to make a case for or against Hagelin's correspondences, but I do know they can't be dismissed quite so simplistically as you have above. There you go, arbitrary as you like: spin 0=earth spin 1/2=water spin 1=fire spin 3/2=air spin 2=space Modern Science and Vedic Science Vol 3, No 1, 1989, pg 14 I'm sorry, did you think this constitutes an argument against what I wrote? Because it's actually a complete non sequitur.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, man.vedic man.vedic@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 17, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Share Long wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. What correlation is that? They both have the number 5 in them? Now that's some advanced mathematics! every possible substance or force in the universe is derived from five types of spin. Each spin is very closely matches mahabhutas . For example, the spin 2 is responsible for the curvature of space, equal to Akasha . Spin 1 - associated with electromagnetism, liability for light , heat and chemical transformation is equal to the Fire. Again, though, the five elements are principles or conditions. In one system, for example, Earth doesn't refer to soil but the principle of solidity; Fire doesn't refer to burning but to the principle of form- building; Akasha is the principle of vacuity; etc. How the principles are used in metaphysical systems is highly complex and abstract. Whether these principles have any correspondence with spin types is another question. But if you take the five elements literally, you'll be missing the point entirely. The proposed correspondences are on a vastly more abstract level. To evaluate them, you'd not only have to know a lot about physics, but also a lot about Vedic metaphysics. If you want to diss Hagelin, it would be appropriate to point out that most laypersons have no way of judging whether the correspondences he proposes have any merit. He could make something up out of whole cloth and there would be very few folks who'd be conversant enough both with spin types and with mahabhutas to be able to tell. Goddammit, just typed out a good (AFAIC) response and pressed the back button. Doh! Basically, there are enough other things to Diss Hagelin about in case he has actually got a point about this but I doubt it. I've read king Tony's book of discoveries and the connection I gave you above is about as profound as it gets. I wouldn't mind if they would say *in the book* what it means both in itself and to other rather better sussed branches of knowledge like evolution; How does something evolve if the ved is perfect? Astrology - they don't use the right number of planets but claim the ones visible to the naked eye link up to the brain and do the usual nonsense. Why not the others? Could it be they are just out of date by a few thousand years and can't bear to have to do a rewrite of something that is supposed to be perfect? They'd have to invent some new sanskrit words for a start, can't see that working. So don't get too het up about the spin thing, it isn't like they've got a good track record.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Remember, I'm not defending Hagelin's proposed correspondences, merely trying to get you to understand that you need to know a lot more about the mahabhutas to be able to refute them. (More than I know, in fact. I just know they aren't what you think they are.) Thanks but I googled them and had a good read before I posted. Don't want egg on my face just yet ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: She worked hard for the money
On 05/17/2012 10:42 AM, Jason wrote: --- turquoisebno_reply@... wrote: RIP Donna. Here is what was undoubtedly the first feminist disco anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKQcWEXSKU My dad had a LP record of Donna Summers in the 1970's. I think sometime in 1992 my gramophone player went phut and I never got around to fix it. It's been ages since I listened to her. Thanks Barry. Back then people thought the working girl she was singing about was a different kind. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hot Stuff takes Mahasamdhi
On 05/17/2012 09:24 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: R.I.P. Donna Summers OK, let's see all the hands of those who were hanging out at the discos in the late 70s. :-D For the record I was playing in a cover band that played disco tunes at the time. It was an all meditator band for awhile until the other two went Jesus on me (due to one of their brother's influence). We played to a packed house every night. It was a Reuben's Plankhouse (a real meat market) and when a sub came in for me while I did the TM Sidhi's course the manager asked where I was and when he found out said oh, I practice TM! And many a I night as I left work the cars in the lot were rockin' away. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: She worked hard for the money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/17/2012 10:42 AM, Jason wrote: --- turquoisebno_reply@ wrote: RIP Donna. Here is what was undoubtedly the first feminist disco anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKQcWEXSKU My dad had a LP record of Donna Summers in the 1970's. I think sometime in 1992 my gramophone player went phut and I never got around to fix it. It's been ages since I listened to her. Thanks Barry. Back then people thought the working girl she was singing about was a different kind. :-D While I appreciate both the humor and the irony, I feel compelled to interject a note of reality. What, after all, is the difference between a woman working three jobs (as does the character in this video) to support her kids, and a woman working in...uh... other circumstances to do the same thing? During my first visits to Amsterdam, I found myself in the strange position of having free (unpaid) access to its most famous brothel, Yab Yum. (The owner felt he owed me a favor, although from my perspective he didn't, and he waived the considerable entrance fee for me.) As a result, I often spent my days at the bar there, writing a book about Buddhism. Go figure. Some get Tantra, and some don't. As a result, I got to know a number of the women who worked there. They became friends, because I never asked them to go upstairs, and because I think they thought of me as kind of a pet, the weird writer guy who just sits at the bar and watches. All of the women, given the nature of the place (this was the kind of joint where the Stones came to party when they were in town, joined by princes and kings and others of the hoi-poloi) were lovely. Some were there with the goal of retiring at 30, and managed to pull that off. Others were there to support their kids. The latter had few other assets to rely on in the Dutch workplace other than their beauty, and I for one do not fault them for their choice. They were mothers, doing what they needed to do to provide for their kids. I have as much respect for them as I do for Mother Teresa, and far more than I do for Mother Divine women who beg their patrons for a monthly stipend so that they can meditate for a living. Just sayin'...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: She worked hard for the money
On 05/17/2012 01:17 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 05/17/2012 10:42 AM, Jason wrote: --- turquoisebno_reply@ wrote: RIP Donna. Here is what was undoubtedly the first feminist disco anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKQcWEXSKU My dad had a LP record of Donna Summers in the 1970's. I think sometime in 1992 my gramophone player went phut and I never got around to fix it. It's been ages since I listened to her. Thanks Barry. Back then people thought the working girl she was singing about was a different kind. :-D While I appreciate both the humor and the irony, I feel compelled to interject a note of reality. What, after all, is the difference between a woman working three jobs (as does the character in this video) to support her kids, and a woman working in...uh... other circumstances to do the same thing? During my first visits to Amsterdam, I found myself in the strange position of having free (unpaid) access to its most famous brothel, Yab Yum. (The owner felt he owed me a favor, although from my perspective he didn't, and he waived the considerable entrance fee for me.) As a result, I often spent my days at the bar there, writing a book about Buddhism. Go figure. Some get Tantra, and some don't. As a result, I got to know a number of the women who worked there. They became friends, because I never asked them to go upstairs, and because I think they thought of me as kind of a pet, the weird writer guy who just sits at the bar and watches. All of the women, given the nature of the place (this was the kind of joint where the Stones came to party when they were in town, joined by princes and kings and others of the hoi-poloi) were lovely. Some were there with the goal of retiring at 30, and managed to pull that off. Others were there to support their kids. The latter had few other assets to rely on in the Dutch workplace other than their beauty, and I for one do not fault them for their choice. They were mothers, doing what they needed to do to provide for their kids. I have as much respect for them as I do for Mother Teresa, and far more than I do for Mother Divine women who beg their patrons for a monthly stipend so that they can meditate for a living. Just sayin'... Wasn't sayin' anything wrong with it but it struck me when I saw the video that most people back then thought the different kind of working woman. AND in today's music videos it would have been the other kind. :-D The other problem is that when a celebrity like Summers dies then the MSM wants to use it to knock more important news off the front page. IOW, the stuff that people should really be caring about but the corporations would rather you not. Like I'm thinkin' that Chase customers should be making a run on the bank because they may wind up paying for that lost 2 billion dollars in higher fees. Of course Jamie Dimon (or is Demon) stood up in front of the stockholders, waved his hands and hypnotized his followers. Then the idiots renewed his contract. America is such a screwed up place.
[FairfieldLife] Having to click more than once to refresh FairfieldLife's page? Me too.
I've always thought that the interface here for Yahoo Groups was super sucky in order to keep people from using it too much, and now, this glitch or ploy -- I don't know which -- has me fence sitting. It takes me three to four times clicking on the refresh button to get this page to refresh. If I select refresh-this-tab on the menu, then it does it every time, first time. None of my other open tabs to many other sites makes me click many times. The only clue I have is that this notice below is at the top of my page now for several days. Scheduled Maintenance: We are undertaking some essential, but extensive maintenance to improve Yahoo! Calendar. Your Group Calendar is being migrated to a much improved version of Yahoo! Calendar. During the maintenance period, you may not have access to your Groups Calendar. We sincerely apologize for this inconvenience. Your Groups Calendar is in great shape and we are working to have it available again as quickly as possible - Yahoo! Groups Yahoo! Calendar Team
[FairfieldLife] Re: Having to click more than once to refresh FairfieldLife's page? Me too.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: I've always thought that the interface here for Yahoo Groups was super sucky in order to keep people from using it too much, and now, this glitch or ploy -- I don't know which -- has me fence sitting. It takes me three to four times clicking on the refresh button to get this page to refresh. If I select refresh-this-tab on the menu, then it does it every time, first time. None of my other open tabs to many other sites makes me click many times. The only clue I have is that this notice below is at the top of my page now for several days. Scheduled Maintenance: We are undertaking some essential, but extensive maintenance to improve Yahoo! Calendar. Your Group Calendar is being migrated to a much improved version of Yahoo! Calendar. During the maintenance period, you may not have access to your Groups Calendar. We sincerely apologize for this inconvenience. Your Groups Calendar is in great shape and we are working to have it available again as quickly as possible - Yahoo! Groups Yahoo! Calendar Team Nh. It's all because the Yahoo CEO got caught prevaricating on his resume about a college degree he never earned. As a result, he's been forced to resign, and the company has gone to hell in a handbasket. If he'd been a TMer, claiming that a Ph.D. from MERU was worth anything, he'd be revered and treated as if he were an expert, and authoritative. If he was the CEO of a bank that had recently lost three billion dollars as the result of incredibly bad decisions, he'd have been applauded at the share- holders' meeting and had his contract renewed. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: [...] With all due respect, Buck, one of the things I've noticed is what direction people choose to face as they get older, and thus closer to the end of their lives. Some -- many -- tend to face backwards, gazing into the past, searching for some kind of inspiration or comfort there. Others are facing forward, involved in the present and looking forward to the future. I wouldn't expect either Curtis or I to check into the Old Folk's Dome anytime soon if I were you. Excluded middle thinking. Currently, I am trying to learn: Tensor Analysis, how to rotate a pyramid of balls in each hand simultaneously, 3-club toss juggling, 4 ball toss juggling, as well as reviving my classical guitar skills, helping create a new computer hardware and programming paradigm, rereading The Wheel of TIme, trying to loose weight. Today is my 57th birthday. I would be very happy spending a few hours (up to 8) in the Old Folks Dome so that I would have more energy and better concentration the rest of my day. L.
[FairfieldLife] The India we all have romanticized.
Not Safe For Work Not Safe For Work Dead bodies stewed along the Ganges. I'm putting the below link with spaces added on the sides of the decimal point to insure the graphics don't display here. I'm rather shocked. I thought they had that cremation system all figured out. http://imgur . com/a/x0UQO
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: She worked hard for the money
Wow! Thank you so much for posting about this. I'm clueless about all this, not totally, but a lot. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: She worked hard for the money --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/17/2012 10:42 AM, Jason wrote: --- turquoisebno_reply@ wrote: RIP Donna. Here is what was undoubtedly the first feminist disco anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKQcWEXSKU My dad had a LP record of Donna Summers in the 1970's. I think sometime in 1992 my gramophone player went phut and I never got around to fix it. It's been ages since I listened to her. Thanks Barry. Back then people thought the working girl she was singing about was a different kind. :-D While I appreciate both the humor and the irony, I feel compelled to interject a note of reality. What, after all, is the difference between a woman working three jobs (as does the character in this video) to support her kids, and a woman working in...uh... other circumstances to do the same thing? During my first visits to Amsterdam, I found myself in the strange position of having free (unpaid) access to its most famous brothel, Yab Yum. (The owner felt he owed me a favor, although from my perspective he didn't, and he waived the considerable entrance fee for me.) As a result, I often spent my days at the bar there, writing a book about Buddhism. Go figure. Some get Tantra, and some don't. As a result, I got to know a number of the women who worked there. They became friends, because I never asked them to go upstairs, and because I think they thought of me as kind of a pet, the weird writer guy who just sits at the bar and watches. All of the women, given the nature of the place (this was the kind of joint where the Stones came to party when they were in town, joined by princes and kings and others of the hoi-poloi) were lovely. Some were there with the goal of retiring at 30, and managed to pull that off. Others were there to support their kids. The latter had few other assets to rely on in the Dutch workplace other than their beauty, and I for one do not fault them for their choice. They were mothers, doing what they needed to do to provide for their kids. I have as much respect for them as I do for Mother Teresa, and far more than I do for Mother Divine women who beg their patrons for a monthly stipend so that they can meditate for a living. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. Huh? The mahabhutas are the elements earth, air, fire, water and the aether/akasha. Why would there be a connection between that and the angular momentum of subatomic particles? It makes no sense, it has no meaning. Why do they do this stuff? Possibly you aren't aware that the five elements stand for much more abstract and subtle principles? The three gunas manifest as 'mahat tattva' the principle of intellect. This further manifests as aham tattva' the principle of mind, which in its turn manifests as the five 'tanmatras' from which arise the five senses. Then, as the process continues the five 'tanmatras' manifest into the five elements, (the 5 Mahabhutas) which combine to constitute the entire objective creation. MMY/Gita 6vs21 abbreviated.. I don't know enough about either the mahabhutas in Vedic metaphysics or spin types in modern physics to even begin to make a case for or against Hagelin's correspondences, but I do know they can't be dismissed quite so simplistically as you have above.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement.
Happy Birthday! From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: [...] With all due respect, Buck, one of the things I've noticed is what direction people choose to face as they get older, and thus closer to the end of their lives. Some -- many -- tend to face backwards, gazing into the past, searching for some kind of inspiration or comfort there. Others are facing forward, involved in the present and looking forward to the future. I wouldn't expect either Curtis or I to check into the Old Folk's Dome anytime soon if I were you. Excluded middle thinking. Currently, I am trying to learn: Tensor Analysis, how to rotate a pyramid of balls in each hand simultaneously, 3-club toss juggling, 4 ball toss juggling, as well as reviving my classical guitar skills, helping create a new computer hardware and programming paradigm, rereading The Wheel of TIme, trying to loose weight. Today is my 57th birthday. I would be very happy spending a few hours (up to 8) in the Old Folks Dome so that I would have more energy and better concentration the rest of my day. L.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
okey dokey, I miraculously figured that out but too late, etc. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 1:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Not sure if this is addressed to me. Just to say that after my initial post, I posted a little more detail along with the article reference for those who might be interested. Thank you to those who also supplied more details. Hi, Share. No, my posts were addressed to salyavin. From: authfriend jstein@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. Huh? The mahabhutas are the elements earth, air, fire, water and the aether/akasha. Why would there be a connection between that and the angular momentum of subatomic particles? It makes no sense, it has no meaning. Why do they do this stuff? Possibly you aren't aware that the five elements stand for much more abstract and subtle principles? I don't know enough about either the mahabhutas in Vedic metaphysics or spin types in modern physics to even begin to make a case for or against Hagelin's correspondences, but I do know they can't be dismissed quite so simplistically as you have above. There you go, arbitrary as you like: spin 0=earth spin 1/2=water spin 1=fire spin 3/2=air spin 2=space Modern Science and Vedic Science Vol 3, No 1, 1989, pg 14 I'm sorry, did you think this constitutes an argument against what I wrote? Because it's actually a complete non sequitur.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Difference between existence and consciousness is creativity.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: You are the one getting confused. Rishi, devata and chhandas -observer, process of observation and observed. That is all consciousness is. ELectrons are conscious, by that definition. Then scrap that definition as it confuses you, electrons are just negatively charged whirly things bound to the atomic nucleus they surround, there isn't any way they are aware which is what consciousness means. You are confusing aware with self-aware. ANything that interacts with other things, is, by the above definition, conscious. ENd of story. Now, if you want to get all emergent, consider an infinite (or near infinite) collection of thingies that interact with each other. By definition, that thingie functions as a pattern recognizer on a cosmic scale. A slightly more elaborate end of story. It's what I just said with the addition of the idea that electrons recognise something, I'll have to check the maths but I'm pretty sure that for all their potential they just sit there holding things together, the universe then builds what it can. The two things don't affect each other beyond that. Luckily for us! Connectionism took off when Hopfield showed that learning algorithms can be described in terms of the same math used to describe physical systems: http://itee.uq.edu.au/~cogs2010/cmc/chapters/Hopfield/ This insight has been extended in many ways. In a sense, you can talk about universal connectionist systems the same way you can Turing Machines: if the math that describes the way a given system works can be recast in terms of a Turing Machine, then that system can perform the same calculations that a Turing Machine can. Likewise, if the components of a physical system can be shown to interact in the same way that the components of an abstract neural network can, then that physical system can perform the same functions as the abstract neural network. In fact, any Turing Machine can be used to model a neural network, and Turing Machines have been created out of Tinkertoys, for example. From the other direction, a sufficiently complex and properly designed connectionist network can be used as a Turing Machine. The only question is: can such networks arise by accident? We already know that they can via evolutionary forces in biological systems. It is a mathematical certainty that given enough time/space/energy, random conglomerations of an infinite collection of interacting parts will include sub-collections that can function as connectionist systems. The only assertion that I make that perhaps isn't obvious is that the whole of the Unified FIeld (whatever it is), acts as such a connectionist system. My intuition says that this MUST be the case, though of course, my intuition is often wrong. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 17, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Share Long wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. What correlation is that? They both have the number 5 in them? Now that's some advanced mathematics! The idea is that the relationship of categories and sub-categories in the Vedic literature and the Standard Models are 1:1 at every level, implying that more than coincidence is involved. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 17, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Share Long wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. What correlation is that? They both have the number 5 in them? Now that's some advanced mathematics! OK, you nailed it. The only difference between the Law of Fives and scientific theories is that scientific theories have excess explanatory power -that is, they can predict stuff not inherent in the formulation of the theory. The point of the book, _Not Even Wrong_ is basically that superstring theories ARE exercises in the Law of Fives: they can't be used to predict testable phenomena. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: About time to short AAPL??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: http://www.businessinsider.com/asset-bubbles-2012-4?nr_email_referer=1utm_source=Triggermailutm_medium=emailutm_term=Money%20Game%20Selectutm_campaign=MoneyGame%20Select%202012-04-25#apple-7 AAPL April 25: ~ $610 May 17: ~ $538 As I already pointed out, Apple bounces up and down quite a bit. Apple lost 7% one day and gained 10% the next, recently. Trying to make money by shorting a stock with that much volatility is very dangerous. http://stocks.about.com/od/advancedtrading/a/shortsell110804.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Happy Birthday! Thanks. A sign of my life: online people remember my birthday. In real life? Only my roommate has. Family and friends, not-so-much, at least not yet. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. Huh? The mahabhutas are the elements earth, air, fire, water and the aether/akasha. Why would there be a connection between that and the angular momentum of subatomic particles? It makes no sense, it has no meaning. Why do they do this stuff? Possibly you aren't aware that the five elements stand for much more abstract and subtle principles? The three gunas manifest as 'mahat tattva' the principle of intellect. This further manifests as aham tattva' the principle of mind, which in its turn manifests as the five 'tanmatras' from which arise the five senses. Then, as the process continues the five 'tanmatras' manifest into the five elements, (the 5 Mahabhutas) which combine to constitute the entire objective creation. MMY/Gita 6vs21 abbreviated.. .. That seems to be from the saaMkhya*-suutra_s: sattva-rajas-tamasaaM saamyaavasthaa prakRtiH pkRter mahaan mahato 'hamkaaro 'hamkaarat pañca tanmaatraaNyubhayam indriyaM tanmaatrebhyaH sthuula-bhuutaani puruSa iti pañca-vimshatir-gaNaH. (Can't guarantee the spelling is absolutely correct...) * saaMkhya, so called vRddhi-derivative** from 'saMkhya': relating to saMkhya, that is 'number', or stuff. ** 'aa' (A, a_ , a:, a., etc.) is the vRddhi-grade of 'a'! I don't know enough about either the mahabhutas in Vedic metaphysics or spin types in modern physics to even begin to make a case for or against Hagelin's correspondences, but I do know they can't be dismissed quite so simplistically as you have above.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
Actually, that looks more like an old school ISKON (Hare Krishna Dude) costume. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: They dress funny, too, even compared to the other mentally ill: http://governors.tm.org/videos/2009_1207_gov_chat.html http://governors.tm.org/videos/2009_1207_gov_chat.html Or like this Buddhist dress ? http://www.costumecraze.com/SALE.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: [...] With all due respect, Buck, one of the things I've noticed is what direction people choose to face as they get older, and thus closer to the end of their lives. Some -- many -- tend to face backwards, gazing into the past, searching for some kind of inspiration or comfort there. Others are facing forward, involved in the present and looking forward to the future. I wouldn't expect either Curtis or I to check into the Old Folk's Dome anytime soon if I were you. Excluded middle thinking. Currently, I am trying to learn: Tensor Analysis, how to rotate a pyramid of balls in each hand simultaneously, 3-club toss juggling, 4 ball toss juggling, as well as reviving my classical guitar skills, helping create a new computer hardware and programming paradigm, rereading The Wheel of TIme, trying to loose weight. You certainly seems to have your hands full :-) Today is my 57th birthday. Happy birthday ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjF1bG5LUcsfeature=share I would be very happy spending a few hours (up to 8) in the Old Folks Dome so that I would have more energy and better concentration the rest of my day. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Actually, that looks more like an old school ISKON (Hare Krishna Dude) costume. No, he is dressing like a Buddhist; They dress funny, too, even compared to the other mentally ill http://www.costumecraze.com/SALE.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: The India we all have romanticized.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: Not Safe For Work Not Safe For Work Dead bodies stewed along the Ganges. I'm putting the below link with spaces added on the sides of the decimal point to insure the graphics don't display here. I'm rather shocked. I thought they had that cremation system all figured out. http://imgur . com/a/x0UQO Most people are cremated, but they are not always 100% effective for poor people due to a lack of firewood. Walking along the Yamuna I stumbled upon quite a few half-baked bodies, no bid deal. What you always have to bring when you go to India are good shoes with thick soles !
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: They dress funny, too, even compared to the other mentally ill: http://governors.tm.org/videos/2009_1207_gov_chat.html http://governors.tm.org/videos/2009_1207_gov_chat.html Or like this Buddhist dress ? GORGEOUS color. I'll take three, just for the fabric.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement.
Many happy returns, Lawson. So glad you joined us again. Hope you can stick around for awhile with all the other things you're juggling (literally and figuratively). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: [...] With all due respect, Buck, one of the things I've noticed is what direction people choose to face as they get older, and thus closer to the end of their lives. Some -- many -- tend to face backwards, gazing into the past, searching for some kind of inspiration or comfort there. Others are facing forward, involved in the present and looking forward to the future. I wouldn't expect either Curtis or I to check into the Old Folk's Dome anytime soon if I were you. Excluded middle thinking. Currently, I am trying to learn: Tensor Analysis, how to rotate a pyramid of balls in each hand simultaneously, 3-club toss juggling, 4 ball toss juggling, as well as reviving my classical guitar skills, helping create a new computer hardware and programming paradigm, rereading The Wheel of TIme, trying to loose weight. Today is my 57th birthday. I would be very happy spending a few hours (up to 8) in the Old Folks Dome so that I would have more energy and better concentration the rest of my day. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: snip Currently, I am trying to learn: Tensor Analysis, how to rotate a pyramid of balls in each hand simultaneously, 3-club toss juggling, 4 ball toss juggling, as well as reviving my classical guitar skills, helping create a new computer hardware and programming paradigm, rereading The Wheel of TIme, trying to loose weight. You certainly seems to have your hands full :-) LOL. Good one, Nabby.
[FairfieldLife] 'Meditative~Baby's 1st bath'...
http://www.elephantjournal.com/2012/04/skip-your-morning-meditation-watch-this-instead/
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Meditative~Baby's 1st bath'...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: http://www.elephantjournal.com/2012/04/skip-your-morning-meditation-watch-this-instead/ That's just beautiful, Robert, thank you so much.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Many happy returns, Lawson. So glad you joined us again. Hope you can stick around for awhile with all the other things you're juggling (literally and figuratively). Thanks. Though, to be honest, just because I'm trying to do all these things, doesn't mean I'm working on all of them consistently. Flying in the Domes would provide a great deal of structure to my life that it currently lacks. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: The India we all have romanticized. TURTLES!
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19921001slug=1516060 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Not Safe For Work Not Safe For Work Dead bodies stewed along the Ganges. I'm putting the below link with spaces added on the sides of the decimal point to insure the graphics don't display here. I'm rather shocked. I thought they had that cremation system all figured out. http://imgur . com/a/x0UQO Most people are cremated, but they are not always 100% effective for poor people due to a lack of firewood. Walking along the Yamuna I stumbled upon quite a few half-baked bodies, no bid deal. What you always have to bring when you go to India are good shoes with thick soles !
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Smartest Guy in the World
He may be right on many things. But he needs someone to back him up in the scientific community. Without support, he won't go anywhere, even though he may or may not be the smartest guy around. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Shain McVay shainm307@... wrote: Interestngly enough he was at least kind of right in terms of a binary universe, as what science has currently found is that the universe works in binary code for the holograms we see as our universe. From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 8:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Smartest Guy in the World  However, Chris Langan works as a bartender. Find out why. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ONEsAVrwFAfeature=relmfu
[FairfieldLife] Re: Difference between existence and consciousness is creativity.
You are the one getting confused. Rishi, devata and chhandas -observer, process of observation and observed. That is all consciousness is. ELectrons are conscious, by that definition. ENd of story. Now, if you want to get all emergent, consider an infinite (or near infinite) collection of thingies that interact with each other. By definition, that thingie functions as a pattern recognizer on a cosmic scale. A slightly more elaborate end of story. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: [...] That's what you think. If the purpose of science is to explain things in the simplest possible way this idea cocks that right up because it invents (choosing words careful here) an uneccessary level at complexity for no reason other than that some people like the idea. What is the point? For John, when he was working on the Flipped SU(5) tweaks requested by Ellis, it was a *simplification* to think in terms of consciousness is the unified field. And I think you are still hung up on the idea of consciousness implying human-like consciousness. ANY interaction of one thingie with another thingie is an example of consciousness. You're ducking and diving a bit aren't you? This isn't what Hagelin means at all by CasUF, he has it as a field of pure awareness that we can interact with to create coherence at a distance and that's because the UF is our *own* consciousness. If it was just one thingie affecting another it would be how I'm saying it is, just a bunch of wobbly fields, cosmic consciousness is a whole other ball game, nay sport and it's a bit disengenious to confuse the two. What about the discovery of ved in human physiology? or Jyotish, other consequences (according to Hagelin) of consciousness being a vedic thing. If it was just thingies we could just say so what? and there would never have been any controversy as it would just be an example of language causing confusion but he says the UF is us! Fundamentally. An electron has the same ability to collapse the wave function as a human, because they are, in the context of simple quantum mechanical evens, both equally conscious. In fact, all a human is is a mass of elementary thingies mutually collapsing each other's wave functions in rather elaborate way. Human consciousness is an emergent property of the activity of this mass of fundamental consciousness. There, see how easy it is to confuse things? An electron isn't conscious. Try saying an electron is just a wobbly field thing and see what happens, it does the same job in creating a macro world where consciousness can arise via enough sophisticated biology and no-one gets confused. Don't multiply entities unnecessarily. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement.
Om, I take that back. It wasn't Curtis in the Dome unless I missed him entirely. I went over and looked closer at the guy. Older-age Italian look dark hair and all. But not. There's a lot of people in the Dome meditating. Once people come in for meditation it is quiet. It's real nice and meditative. I walked around that way coming in and it wasn't him. I hoped it was. I think he'd like it if he gave it a chance again.Hell, there are proly some atheists in there too. There are all kinds of people meditating there and you don't need no faith. It's palpably a very spiritual place. It's a lot like old homecoming in there too. I got friends and friendships from going back 40 years there.I hope for a day that both Curtis and Turqb can join us once again for group meditation in the Dome. There's a lot of people coming back. -Buck, in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: Hey I'm pretty certain I saw Curtis today in the Dome. Lot of people are coming back. -Buck in FF [:(] [#-o] Buck in FF?Buck in FF?Buck in FF?Buck in FF?back again [#-o] ? not Buck in the Dome? [:D] atAll the Nature's home Forgot your flying foam? [;)] or Kicked out of TMO's Rome? again- again? what a shame What a shame, what a shame, To judge a life that you can't change The choir sings, the Dome bells ring And nobody won't give this man his wings? Is that's the man he was? Haven't we heard enough? Haven't we both heard enough This is what we're gonna do Let me put my arms around you once more There's nothing left here to prove Walk just back a little bit slower Better don't hold on tight, Will You ever learn to let it go To Break Through to the other side I keep wondering, wondering, wondering When were you ever gonna let me know That you just wanted something else in life What do you say when it's all over What do you know when nothing's going right The troubles in your mind What do you do when you get lost inside your soul Where do you go when all's gone What do you say nothing at all It was so hard when I watched you falling down But it was time for you to walk alone Just know if you really need a friend And you're feeling like you can't go on Just walk back just a little bit faster Take my hand I will blow your fears away We'll Break Through to the other side For bitter or worse I know you better than anyone else And I'll be by your side What do you say when it's all over What do you do when it's all gone What do you do when you get lost inside your soul Where do we go when ALL's gone What do you say nothing at all When it all becomes Reality That this is where it ends for you and me What do you say when it's all over What do you do when it's All gone What do you do when you get lost inside your soul Where do we go when home's gone What do you say nothing at all What do you say nothing at all What do you say nothing at All The Moon chased by the colorful clouds Silver Clouds Chasing the Moon [:D] waan waan yuè ér yè jiàn nóng yuè guang bàn qaang faang yuè sè gaang méng lóng http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3JT5giyVMM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDWIeUmwgqcfeature=related --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: See, no regrets. Â No one seems to have any real regrets, not even Curtiswellexcept perhaps Barry, but only when he's feeling an angry opinion coming on. Â Hey I'm pretty certain I saw Curtis today in the Dome. Lot of people are coming back. -Buck in FF From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement. Â Susan, Whew, thanks, that actually helped a lot. And that's surprises me greatly. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Edg, You really gave it all you had! I gather you moved to Ffld, did the MSAE, everything. Sorry to hear what happened and how it hurt you. I think you are describing what goes on in most groups, especially religious or spiritual, but also corporate, social. Some groups are more discrete and attempt to be more fair, but newbie groups don't do that, and we were all so striving and young and without older people to set the right tone. Money does buy an in and buys attention and perks and fawning. I get it, but your point is also that as a hard-working underpaid, devoted teacher of TM who put their worldly ambitions on hold to convey this wonderful knowledge - you were not appreciated. People like you should have been given buckets of gratitude and some perks, if not more compensation. It seemed to mean more to the insiders if a person was rich and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Difference between existence and consciousness is creativity.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 16, 2012, at 10:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote: So are you saying that the TMO dictum consciousness is primary, matter is secondary, echoing the sentiments of Shankara, is a falsehood? I would say it's a falsehood as I can't see any evidence to support it, I assume it's a case of mistaking an altered inner state for meaningful knowledge of external reality. I think that would be clear to anyone who actually studied physics - it's all about physicality, and very little about consciousness. I guess if they believe it they aren't deliberately perpetuating falsehood just mistaken about the quality of the knowledge, but they are lying when they say it's done and dusted, even JH doesn't say that here even though he implies it's an explanation accepted or considered by other scientists, when it isn't. In old self-published multi-disciplinary books MIU used to produce, they were very clear about parallels in physics being merely analogies, and that there was a certain point where these analogies broke down. But over time this was shelved and the consciousness is primary delusion became part of TM Org dogma and sales pitches. But this is also a huge trend in India in general, with even the government supporting nebulous connections between religion and science. And when you start putting King Tony's weird ideas into the mix and claiming even that you can predict and prevent earth- quakes (but mysteriously choose not to) it goes over any sort of reasonable interpretation of even the original idea that consciousness is a factor in QP. I imagine the fathers of QP would go scampering into the trees if they heard John Hagelin in full flow about what he considers knowledge. And then come out of the trees to give him a good slap upside his head when they heard his claim that he'd finished Einsteins work! No, no, please say it ain't so, Quantum Vedism cannot go! I'm sure it will stick around for a while yet Fortunately there's a growing backlash from actual working scientists to counter such quantum fairy tales. FWIW, once again, Richard Feynman: Do not keep saying to yourself, if you can possibly avoid it, But how can it be like that? because you will get down the drain, into a blind alley from which nobody has yet escaped. Nobody knows how it can be like that. On the apparent absurdities of Quantum behavior, in The Character of Physical Law (1965) Lecture 6 : Probability and Uncertainty the Quantum Mechanical view of Nature
[FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Om, I take that back. It wasn't Curtis in the Dome unless I missed him entirely. I went over and looked closer at the guy. Older-age Italian look dark hair and all. But not. There's a lot of people in the Dome meditating. Once people come in for meditation it is quiet. It's real nice and meditative. Duh. I mean, duh. :-) I walked around that way coming in and it wasn't him. I hoped it was. I think he'd like it if he gave it a chance again. Hell, there are proly some atheists in there too. There are all kinds of people meditating there and you don't need no faith. It's palpably a very spiritual place. It's a lot like old homecoming in there too. I got friends and friendships from going back 40 years there. I hope for a day that both Curtis and Turqb can join us once again for group meditation in the Dome. There's a lot of people coming back. -Buck, in the Dome With all due respect, Buck, one of the things I've noticed is what direction people choose to face as they get older, and thus closer to the end of their lives. Some -- many -- tend to face backwards, gazing into the past, searching for some kind of inspiration or comfort there. Others are facing forward, involved in the present and looking forward to the future. I wouldn't expect either Curtis or I to check into the Old Folk's Dome anytime soon if I were you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Difference between existence and consciousness is creativity.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: FWIW, once again, Richard Feynman: Do not keep saying to yourself, if you can possibly avoid it, But how can it be like that? because you will get down the drain, into a blind alley from which nobody has yet escaped. Nobody knows how it can be like that. On the apparent absurdities of Quantum behavior, in The Character of Physical Law (1965) Lecture 6 : Probability and Uncertainty the Quantum Mechanical view of Nature Well, trying to answer that question, BaadaraayaNa might have quoted Himself (BS I, 2): janmaadyasya yataH. And kRSNa: anaadimat paraM brahma **na sa tan naasad ucyate**. (BG XIII 13)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Difference between existence and consciousness is creativity.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: FWIW, once again, Richard Feynman: Do not keep saying to yourself, if you can possibly avoid it, But how can it be like that? because you will get down the drain, into a blind alley from which nobody has yet escaped. Nobody knows how it can be like that. On the apparent absurdities of Quantum behavior, in The Character of Physical Law (1965) Lecture 6 : Probability and Uncertainty the Quantum Mechanical view of Nature This is funny: Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. What is Science?, presented at the fifteenth annual meeting of the National Science Teachers Association, in New York City (1966) published in The Physics Teacher Vol. 7, issue 6 (1969)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Difference between existence and consciousness is creativity.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: FWIW, once again, Richard Feynman: Do not keep saying to yourself, if you can possibly avoid it, But how can it be like that? because you will get down the drain, into a blind alley from which nobody has yet escaped. Nobody knows how it can be like that. On the apparent absurdities of Quantum behavior, in The Character of Physical Law (1965) Lecture 6 : Probability and Uncertainty the Quantum Mechanical view of Nature This is funny: Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. I like this. So is thinking for oneself in the world of religion and spirituality.
[FairfieldLife] A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Difference between existence and consciousness is creativity.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: You are the one getting confused. Rishi, devata and chhandas -observer, process of observation and observed. That is all consciousness is. ELectrons are conscious, by that definition. Then scrap that definition as it confuses you, electrons are just negatively charged whirly things bound to the atomic nucleus they surround, there isn't any way they are aware which is what consciousness means. ENd of story. Now, if you want to get all emergent, consider an infinite (or near infinite) collection of thingies that interact with each other. By definition, that thingie functions as a pattern recognizer on a cosmic scale. A slightly more elaborate end of story. It's what I just said with the addition of the idea that electrons recognise something, I'll have to check the maths but I'm pretty sure that for all their potential they just sit there holding things together, the universe then builds what it can. The two things don't affect each other beyond that. Luckily for us! L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: [...] That's what you think. If the purpose of science is to explain things in the simplest possible way this idea cocks that right up because it invents (choosing words careful here) an uneccessary level at complexity for no reason other than that some people like the idea. What is the point? For John, when he was working on the Flipped SU(5) tweaks requested by Ellis, it was a *simplification* to think in terms of consciousness is the unified field. And I think you are still hung up on the idea of consciousness implying human-like consciousness. ANY interaction of one thingie with another thingie is an example of consciousness. You're ducking and diving a bit aren't you? This isn't what Hagelin means at all by CasUF, he has it as a field of pure awareness that we can interact with to create coherence at a distance and that's because the UF is our *own* consciousness. If it was just one thingie affecting another it would be how I'm saying it is, just a bunch of wobbly fields, cosmic consciousness is a whole other ball game, nay sport and it's a bit disengenious to confuse the two. What about the discovery of ved in human physiology? or Jyotish, other consequences (according to Hagelin) of consciousness being a vedic thing. If it was just thingies we could just say so what? and there would never have been any controversy as it would just be an example of language causing confusion but he says the UF is us! Fundamentally. An electron has the same ability to collapse the wave function as a human, because they are, in the context of simple quantum mechanical evens, both equally conscious. In fact, all a human is is a mass of elementary thingies mutually collapsing each other's wave functions in rather elaborate way. Human consciousness is an emergent property of the activity of this mass of fundamental consciousness. There, see how easy it is to confuse things? An electron isn't conscious. Try saying an electron is just a wobbly field thing and see what happens, it does the same job in creating a macro world where consciousness can arise via enough sophisticated biology and no-one gets confused. Don't multiply entities unnecessarily. L.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Difference between existence and consciousness is creativity.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: You are the one getting confused. Rishi, devata and chhandas -observer, process of observation and observed. That is all consciousness is. ELectrons are conscious, by that definition. Then scrap that definition as it confuses you, electrons are just negatively charged whirly things bound to the atomic nucleus they surround, there isn't any way they are aware which is what consciousness means. I believe at least my brains consist of negatively charged whirly things bound to the atomic nucleus they surround...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Difference between existence and consciousness is creativity.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: You are the one getting confused. Rishi, devata and chhandas -observer, process of observation and observed. That is all consciousness is. ELectrons are conscious, by that definition. Then scrap that definition as it confuses you, electrons are just negatively charged whirly things bound to the atomic nucleus they surround, there isn't any way they are aware which is what consciousness means. I believe at least my brains consist of negatively charged whirly things bound to the atomic nucleus they surround... I think your brain is much more than that Carde, mine I'm not so sure about. Whirly is the word!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Difference between existence and consciousness is creativity.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: You are the one getting confused. Rishi, devata and chhandas -observer, process of observation and observed. That is all consciousness is. ELectrons are conscious, by that definition. Then scrap that definition as it confuses you, electrons are just negatively charged whirly things bound to the atomic nucleus they surround, there isn't any way they are aware which is what consciousness means. I believe at least my brains consist of negatively charged whirly things bound to the atomic nucleus they surround... I think your brain is much more than that Carde, mine I'm not so sure about. Whirly is the word! The negatively charged whirly things in Card's brain are pretty smart. His electrons *know* they should just sit there holding things together. Every electron in Card's brain is the knower in the process of knowing thingies.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. From: shainm307 shainm...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A lot of science here, unified field to chakras http://www.ascensionq3.20fr.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
On May 17, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Share Long wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. What correlation is that? They both have the number 5 in them? Now that's some advanced mathematics!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. Huh? The mahabhutas are the elements earth, air, fire, water and the aether/akasha. Why would there be a connection between that and the angular momentum of subatomic particles? It makes no sense, it has no meaning. Why do they do this stuff? I guess every religion tries to make out it's writings are heaven sent in some way but the TMO are taking it a step further with this surreal physical/spiritual fundamentalism stuff. I reckon anyone could go through bookshelf and find correlations What about Enid Blyton's Famous Five? Makes no more or less sense. John Hagelin should know they aren't elements either, elements are substances which can't be broken down further with chemical methods. Earth, air and water are compounds and fire is a plasma. So it can't be anything fundamental being implied as there's no actual connection with the spin properties they are being asked to emulate. they might have seemed fundamental to the Indians but why would the subatomic world agree with that? It's just the ideas of ancient India being bigged up to impress the already converted and give them a sense that their chosen teaching is the one true path, how could it be otherwise when the ancient literature is part of our bodies and the whirly bits that make up our bodies? But they should be careful because these elements originated in Greece. Alexander brought them over along with all his Greek building, artistic techniques and philosophy that found so much favour in India. From: shainm307 shainm307@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A lot of science here, unified field to chakras  http://www.ascensionq3.20fr.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 17, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Share Long wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. What correlation is that? They both have the number 5 in them? Now that's some advanced mathematics! OK, you nailed it.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder, and the attempt to eradicate it
turq: What she does with this advice when she gets older will probably be a lot like what she does with my advice at age three. :-) Richard J. Williams You've got a three year old to support? Yes, I have two great-grand children to support! So, I helped my daughter to graduate from High School, and I tried to teach her that when she got married, wait at least five years between siblings. She didn't want to get married - go figure (just a rebel like me, I guess). Now I've got a big family to support me?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. --- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Huh? The mahabhutas are the elements earth, air, fire, water and the aether/akasha. Why would there be a connection between that and the angular momentum of subatomic particles? It makes no sense, it has no meaning. Why do they do this stuff? I guess every religion tries to make out it's writings are heaven sent in some way but the TMO are taking it a step further with this surreal physical/spiritual fundamentalism stuff. I reckon anyone could go through bookshelf and find correlations What about Enid Blyton's Famous Five? Makes no more or less sense. John Hagelin should know they aren't elements either, elements are substances which can't be broken down further with chemical methods. Earth, air and water are compounds and fire is a plasma. So it can't be anything fundamental being implied as there's no actual connection with the spin properties they are being asked to emulate. they might have seemed fundamental to the Indians but why would the subatomic world agree with that? It's just the ideas of ancient India being bigged up to impress the already converted and give them a sense that their chosen teaching is the one true path, how could it be otherwise when the ancient literature is part of our bodies and the whirly bits that make up our bodies? But they should be careful because these elements originated in Greece. Alexander brought them over along with all his Greek building, artistic techniques and philosophy that found so much favour in India. Element means a 'fundamental unit'. From a primitive pre-industrial point of view, Solids, Liquids, Gases, Fire and Ether can be considered to be Elements that make up the world. I agree in the post-industrial chemical world, Element is seen from a more scientific POV. Hagelin assumes that every thing written in the Vedas are true literaly or figuratively and tries to fit it into modern science. In fact all religionists assume that everything written in their scriptures are true and correct. If you prove them wrong, they go crazy. Hyper-religiosity is a mental disorder like myriad psychological disorders that exist on this planet. From: shainm307 shainm307@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A lot of science here, unified field to chakras  http://www.ascensionq3.20fr.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
On May 17, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Jason wrote: Hyper-religiosity is a mental disorder like myriad psychological disorders that exist on this planet. From an old TM teacher (Estes Park): http://www.lorinroche.com/dangers/homeless.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: --- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. --- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Huh? The mahabhutas are the elements earth, air, fire, water and the aether/akasha. Why would there be a connection between that and the angular momentum of subatomic particles? It makes no sense, it has no meaning. Why do they do this stuff? I guess every religion tries to make out it's writings are heaven sent in some way but the TMO are taking it a step further with this surreal physical/spiritual fundamentalism stuff. I reckon anyone could go through bookshelf and find correlations What about Enid Blyton's Famous Five? Makes no more or less sense. John Hagelin should know they aren't elements either, elements are substances which can't be broken down further with chemical methods. Earth, air and water are compounds and fire is a plasma. So it can't be anything fundamental being implied as there's no actual connection with the spin properties they are being asked to emulate. they might have seemed fundamental to the Indians but why would the subatomic world agree with that? It's just the ideas of ancient India being bigged up to impress the already converted and give them a sense that their chosen teaching is the one true path, how could it be otherwise when the ancient literature is part of our bodies and the whirly bits that make up our bodies? Exactly. But they should be careful because these elements originated in Greece. Alexander brought them over along with all his Greek building, artistic techniques and philosophy that found so much favour in India. Element means a 'fundamental unit'. From a primitive pre-industrial point of view, Solids, Liquids, Gases, Fire and Ether can be considered to be Elements that make up the world. I agree in the post-industrial chemical world, Element is seen from a more scientific POV. Hagelin assumes that every thing written in the Vedas are true literaly or figuratively and tries to fit it into modern science. In fact all religionists assume that everything written in their scriptures are true and correct. If you prove them wrong, they go crazy. Hyper-religiosity is a mental disorder like myriad psychological disorders that exist on this planet. They dress funny, too, even compared to the other mentally ill: http://governors.tm.org/videos/2009_12_07_gov_chat.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
spin 0=earth spin 1/2=water spin 1=fire spin 3/2=air spin 2=space Modern Science and Vedic Science Vol 3, No 1, 1989, pg 14 From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A lot of science here, unified field to chakras On May 17, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Share Long wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. What correlation is that? They both have the number 5 in them? Now that's some advanced mathematics!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
Amazing link. You can see where spiritual atheism is trending and going. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shainm307 shainm307@... wrote: http://www.ascensionq3.20fr.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
Vaj, I just started reading this and really appreciate you posting the site. Very good stuff, insightful, compassionate, and rings true to me from my experience with the TMO. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 17, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Jason wrote: Hyper-religiosity is a mental disorder like myriad psychological disorders that exist on this planet. From an old TM teacher (Estes Park): http://www.lorinroche.com/dangers/homeless.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Amazing link. You can see where spiritual atheism is trending and going. See what I mean about the quantum crazies and their tendency to dress funny? This is the author of the site that Buck and Shain find fascinating. If Hagelin weren't such a Pillsbury Doughboy, he'd probably go bare-chested, too. :-) On a truth seeking and fact finding expedition. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shainm307 shainm307@ wrote: http://www.ascensionq3.20fr.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
It is way more fun to see it as reality than not. A guy came in to the Dome meditation yesterday morning and sat down who was lit up just like these links. Ved and Physiology. It needs no religion. It's in the human body as life potential. Much Love, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Amazing link. You can see where spiritual atheism is trending and going. See what I mean about the quantum crazies and their tendency to dress funny? This is the author of the site that Buck and Shain find fascinating. If Hagelin weren't such a Pillsbury Doughboy, he'd probably go bare-chested, too. :-) On a truth seeking and fact finding expedition. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shainm307 shainm307@ wrote: http://www.ascensionq3.20fr.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. Huh? The mahabhutas are the elements earth, air, fire, water and the aether/akasha. Why would there be a connection between that and the angular momentum of subatomic particles? It makes no sense, it has no meaning. Why do they do this stuff? Possibly you aren't aware that the five elements stand for much more abstract and subtle principles? I don't know enough about either the mahabhutas in Vedic metaphysics or spin types in modern physics to even begin to make a case for or against Hagelin's correspondences, but I do know they can't be dismissed quite so simplistically as you have above.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. Huh? The mahabhutas are the elements earth, air, fire, water and the aether/akasha. Why would there be a connection between that and the angular momentum of subatomic particles? It makes no sense, it has no meaning. Why do they do this stuff? Possibly you aren't aware that the five elements stand for much more abstract and subtle principles? I don't know enough about either the mahabhutas in Vedic metaphysics or spin types in modern physics to even begin to make a case for or against Hagelin's correspondences, but I do know they can't be dismissed quite so simplistically as you have above. There you go, arbitrary as you like: spin 0=earth spin 1/2=water spin 1=fire spin 3/2=air spin 2=space Modern Science and Vedic Science Vol 3, No 1, 1989, pg 14
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. Huh? The mahabhutas are the elements earth, air, fire, water and the aether/akasha. Why would there be a connection between that and the angular momentum of subatomic particles? It makes no sense, it has no meaning. Why do they do this stuff? Possibly you aren't aware that the five elements stand for much more abstract and subtle principles? I don't know enough about either the mahabhutas in Vedic metaphysics or spin types in modern physics to even begin to make a case for or against Hagelin's correspondences, but I do know they can't be dismissed quite so simplistically as you have above. There you go, arbitrary as you like: spin 0=earth spin 1/2=water spin 1=fire spin 3/2=air spin 2=space Modern Science and Vedic Science Vol 3, No 1, 1989, pg 14 I'm sorry, did you think this constitutes an argument against what I wrote? Because it's actually a complete non sequitur.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 17, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Share Long wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. What correlation is that? They both have the number 5 in them? Now that's some advanced mathematics! every possible substance or force in the universe is derived from five types of spin. Each spin is very closely matches mahabhutas . For example, the spin 2 is responsible for the curvature of space, equal to Akasha . Spin 1 - associated with electromagnetism, liability for light , heat and chemical transformation is equal to the Fire .
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: Vaj, I just started reading this and really appreciate you posting the site. Very good stuff, insightful, compassionate, and rings true to me from my experience with the TMO. I agree, some terrific insights, very much worth reading. Not anti-TM at all, and much of what he says doesn't apply to TM. But clearly he's anti-TMO. FWIW, here's what he says about TM specifically, after characterizing the TMO as having been taken over by zombies: Anyway, I love Maharishi and what he gave me, I love the superb TM teachings, and God bless whatever the TM organization, such as it is, is doing. Maybe, in 200 years, it will have been worth it, all the self-sabotage and self-betrayal. The TM teachings, by the way, are much deeper than what the TM movement now represents. I have worked in depth with many TM teachers and obviously they don't get what TM is - the utter freedom and spontaneity and naturalness. Deepak Chopra was trained by Maharishi during the 70's, and all that he has been teaching is only a small part of what Maharishi was talking about in the 1960's and early 1970's. Deepak is wonderful, an absolute delight and a fountain of wonder and a force for good in the world. But he is only one small part of the generosity of what Maharishi was talking about. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 17, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Jason wrote: Hyper-religiosity is a mental disorder like myriad psychological disorders that exist on this planet. From an old TM teacher (Estes Park): http://www.lorinroche.com/dangers/homeless.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, man.vedic man.vedic@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 17, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Share Long wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. What correlation is that? They both have the number 5 in them? Now that's some advanced mathematics! every possible substance or force in the universe is derived from five types of spin. Each spin is very closely matches mahabhutas . For example, the spin 2 is responsible for the curvature of space, equal to Akasha . Spin 1 - associated with electromagnetism, liability for light , heat and chemical transformation is equal to the Fire . [Can I get A Woo-Woo! Shirt by 1392255]
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. Huh? The mahabhutas are the elements earth, air, fire, water and the aether/akasha. Why would there be a connection between that and the angular momentum of subatomic particles? It makes no sense, it has no meaning. Why do they do this stuff? Possibly you aren't aware that the five elements stand for much more abstract and subtle principles? I don't know enough about either the mahabhutas in Vedic metaphysics or spin types in modern physics to even begin to make a case for or against Hagelin's correspondences, but I do know they can't be dismissed quite so simplistically as you have above. There you go, arbitrary as you like: spin 0=earth spin 1/2=water spin 1=fire spin 3/2=air spin 2=space Modern Science and Vedic Science Vol 3, No 1, 1989, pg 14 I'm sorry, did you think this constitutes an argument against what I wrote? Obviously. Because it's actually a complete non sequitur. You don't get it do you? The 5 spin positions relate to the five *elementary* particles that have one or the other positions. I highlight elementary because *that* is the link = Two uses of the *word* elementary, one correct - particles with no inner structure that therefore cannot be dismantled further - and the old Greek idea about elements, which is incorrect as they aren't elementary. And even if they were elements and couldn't be dismantled I *still* wouldn't get the connection that apparently means an Indian book is somehow mirrored subatomically.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, man.vedic man.vedic@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 17, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Share Long wrote: John Hagelin found a correlation between the 5 mahabhutas and the 5 spin types. What correlation is that? They both have the number 5 in them? Now that's some advanced mathematics! every possible substance or force in the universe is derived from five types of spin. Each spin is very closely matches mahabhutas . For example, the spin 2 is responsible for the curvature of space, equal to Akasha . Spin 1 - associated with electromagnetism, liability for light , heat and chemical transformation is equal to the Fire . [Can I get A Woo-Woo! Shirt by 1392255] good argument to dispute , but not for discussion
[FairfieldLife] She worked hard for the money
RIP Donna. Here is what was undoubtedly the first feminist disco anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKQcWEXSKU
[FairfieldLife] Re: A lot of science here, unified field to chakras
Modern, last weekend up at the Hindu Temple in Minneapolis one of the lady saints that we people here in Fairfield get in trouble for seeing ( http://karunamayi.org/ ) was discoursing about spirituality. She said the same things as in this link. In fact she used a slide with formal citation/attribution from Tony Nader's book and spoke admiringly about it and Maharishi. Compared it to the work that Yogananda laid before too and Vivekananda in a sequence. It was very spiritual. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: It is way more fun to see it as reality than not. A guy came in to the Dome meditation yesterday morning and sat down who was lit up just like these links. Ved and Physiology. It needs no religion. It's in the human body as life potential. Much Love, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shainm307 shainm307@ wrote: http://www.ascensionq3.20fr.com/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Amazing link. You can see where spiritual atheism is trending and going. See what I mean about the quantum crazies and their tendency to dress funny? This is the author of the site that Buck and Shain find fascinating. If Hagelin weren't such a Pillsbury Doughboy, he'd probably go bare-chested, too. :-) On a truth seeking and fact finding expedition.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement.
A, I do sooo need to get over myself and stop muttering. Point taken. Thank you as always. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement. Join The Magic User's Club and Get Up Off a That Thing Release the Pressure/ and dance 'til you feel better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EWZDDy2CUMfeature=fvst --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Of course, anger is really grief, right? Unfathomable. Now, on with the day. The invention that is the lawnmower, is sitting for a four-week wait at the repair shop. So I had to rent a lawnmower yesterday. They go for $36 for 24 hours. And I am not talking about the kind you sit in. So, having mowed the lawn, I have to return it quickly. And, then, it's off to pick a countertop for the kitchen. Another busy day :) From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement. I mean, have you *ever* woken up and found that you are in a rage so deep and wide and high, that it is unfathomable? No, not about some relationship or another, I mean at the *seeming* core. But then, that's when you realize that the *core* is not really the core. - Original Message - From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement. Not to be misunderstoodkidding. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4oKyO2YbRcfeature=related From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement. TEN LITTLE MEDITATORS One little meditator Found life good and true, An old friend found him And then there were two. Two little meditators Content beneath a tree, A tired man rested there And then there were three. Three little meditators Learning more and more, A young scholar joined them And then there were four. Four little meditators Glad to be alive, A sick man hobbled by And then there were five. Five little meditators Never in a fix, A muddled man came along And then there were six. Six little meditators On the road to Heaven, A wicked man followed them And then there were seven. Seven little meditators In a blissful state, A lost boy asked the way And then there were eight. Eight little meditators Meditating in a line, A dreamer stumbled over them And then there were nine. Nine little meditators Happy, peaceful men, A worried man needed help And then there were ten. Ten little meditators Continue to increase, And on they go across the world Spreading happiness and peace. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: See, no regrets. Â No one seems to have any real regrets, not even Curtiswellexcept perhaps Barry, but only when he's feeling an angry opinion coming on. Â Hey I'm pretty certain I saw Curtis today in the Dome. Lot of people are coming back. -Buck in FF Buck in FF?Buck in FF?Buck in FF?Buck in FF? not Buck in the Dome? atAll the Nature's home Forgot your flying foam? or Kicked out of TMO's Rome again- again? what a shame What a shame, what a shame, To judge a life that you can't change The choir sings, the Dome bells ring And nobody won't give this man his wings? Is that's the man he was? Haven't we heard enough? Haven't we both heard enough This is what we're gonna do Let me put my arms around you once more There's nothing left here to prove Walk just back a little bit slower Better don't hold on tight, Will You ever learn to let it go To Break Through to the other side I keep wondering, wondering, wondering When were you ever gonna let me know That you just wanted something else in life What do you say when it's all over What do you know when nothing's going right The troubles in your mind What do you do when you get lost inside your soul Where do you go when all's gone What do you say nothing at all It was so hard when I watched you falling down But it was time for you to walk alone Just know if you really need a friend And you're feeling like you can't go on Just walk back just a little bit faster Take my hand I will blow your fears away We'll Break Through to the other side For bitter or worse I know you better than anyone else And I'll be by your side
[FairfieldLife] Super Sidhas
So what would happen if you all could actually fly, and fly very well like through the skies like Superman? That's the premise of the movie Chronicle which is now available on DVD/BD and on PPV streaming. The movie is about some high school age boys who discover a pit with a strange object in it and afterwards find they have developed some mystical powers including flying. The story follows what they do as these powers develop. It won't be available at Redbox or other disc rental for another month because old Rupert's company has a 1 month rental delay on the disc (and then it will be a rental disc with no extras. Actually I almost saw the film a few months back when it was playing nearby. I watched it last night on Vudu. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1706593/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement.
And P.S. In attempting to lift the invention that is the rented lawnmower into the back of my jeep, I lost strength and dropped it about 3 feet, the force of which propelled me into a full backwards somersault down the slope of my driveway. I looked up to see the lawnmower rolling down the driveway towards the street. After a few more deep breaths and focus, I was able to barely heft the heavy hunk of steel into the back of the jeep, where I wondered on my way to return it whether I should tell them I dropped it - after all, I did not purchase the $3 damage warrantee. I decided not to. Pretty funny really and I came to the conclusion I need to stop rolling around in all these emotions and get to reinventing the illusion that is my life. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement. Join The Magic User's Club and Get Up Off a That Thing Release the Pressure/ and dance 'til you feel better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EWZDDy2CUMfeature=fvst --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Of course, anger is really grief, right? Unfathomable. Now, on with the day. The invention that is the lawnmower, is sitting for a four-week wait at the repair shop. So I had to rent a lawnmower yesterday. They go for $36 for 24 hours. And I am not talking about the kind you sit in. So, having mowed the lawn, I have to return it quickly. And, then, it's off to pick a countertop for the kitchen. Another busy day :) From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement. I mean, have you *ever* woken up and found that you are in a rage so deep and wide and high, that it is unfathomable? No, not about some relationship or another, I mean at the *seeming* core. But then, that's when you realize that the *core* is not really the core. - Original Message - From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement. Not to be misunderstoodkidding. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4oKyO2YbRcfeature=related From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I was never in the TM movement. TEN LITTLE MEDITATORS One little meditator Found life good and true, An old friend found him And then there were two. Two little meditators Content beneath a tree, A tired man rested there And then there were three. Three little meditators Learning more and more, A young scholar joined them And then there were four. Four little meditators Glad to be alive, A sick man hobbled by And then there were five. Five little meditators Never in a fix, A muddled man came along And then there were six. Six little meditators On the road to Heaven, A wicked man followed them And then there were seven. Seven little meditators In a blissful state, A lost boy asked the way And then there were eight. Eight little meditators Meditating in a line, A dreamer stumbled over them And then there were nine. Nine little meditators Happy, peaceful men, A worried man needed help And then there were ten. Ten little meditators Continue to increase, And on they go across the world Spreading happiness and peace. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: See, no regrets. Â No one seems to have any real regrets, not even Curtiswellexcept perhaps Barry, but only when he's feeling an angry opinion coming on. Â Hey I'm pretty certain I saw Curtis today in the Dome. Lot of people are coming back. -Buck in FF Buck in FF?Buck in FF?Buck in FF?Buck in FF? not Buck in the Dome? atAll the Nature's home Forgot your flying foam? or Kicked out of TMO's Rome again- again? what a shame What a shame, what a shame, To judge a life that you can't change The choir sings, the Dome bells ring And nobody won't give this man his wings? Is that's the man he was? Haven't we heard enough? Haven't we both heard enough This is what we're gonna do Let me put my arms around you once more There's nothing left here to prove Walk just back a little bit slower Better don't hold on tight, Will You ever learn to let it go To Break Through to the other side I keep wondering, wondering, wondering When were you ever
[FairfieldLife] Hot Stuff takes Mahasamdhi
R.I.P. Donna Summers
[FairfieldLife] A Plea For Medical Marijuana Legalization
Yeah, you've read them before. But not quite like this. This is a very personal and impassioned presentation of the case for medical marijuana, written for the New York Times by a 62-year-old man with pancreatic cancer. What makes it so notable is that he is also a sitting judge on the New York State Supreme Court. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/opinion/a-judges-plea-for-medical-marijuana.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Difference between existence and consciousness is creativity.
You are actually a closet theist and don't even know it. turquoiseb: It's just an eternal machine that was never created and has no purpose... So, that's your belief. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism And you're a terrified little boy who needs to believe that there is a Big Daddy In The Sky to sleep well at night. Which would be merely pitiable if you didn't have a similar need to debate others about the fairy tales you believe in to try to convince them they're something more than fairy tales. There. Now we've both gotten what we really think of each other out of our systems. :-) Since you believe the universe is eternal and never-created, you then believe that the universe is the Knower, the Process of Knowing, and the Known by Itself. Bzzt. Does not compute. I believe *nothing* about those three made-up concepts you just spouted. And even if I did they would have nothing to do with the nature of the universe. They're just silly ideas, opinions spouted by silly humans. IOW, It knows and maintains the dimensions of space and time. It, meaning the universe, neither knows nor maintains diddelysquat. I don't believe that the universe is sentient; that's YOUR fantasy. :-) It's just an eternal machine that was never created and has no purpose. In that sense, if the universe *were* sentient (it's not, as far as I can tell), its lack of purpose would put it several notches above puny humans who feel that *their* purpose was to understand the universe's, which doesn't exist. :-) As such, It is a Being, albeit an impersonal one. So, you actually believe in an Impersonal Eternal Being. John, I suggest that you keep your dualist fantasies to yourself, and try not to embarrass yourself by trying to convince others that they're more than fantasies. The universe is not a being of any kind. It's an It. What happens within that It just happens; there is no Plan behind it, and no intelligence guiding it. Shit just happens. Some of us are comfortable with that. Others (like yourself) seem to feel that they need a fantasy god or being who runs things to explain shit just happening. Cool, I guess, if that makes you feel better. But don't expect others to pretend that your fantasies are real just because you do.
