date:20131111



 Look to this day
for it is life
the very life of life.
 
 -Sanskrit poem
 ,

[FairfieldLife] RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

 We do not live for self We are a part of a larger life, reaching before 
and after, judged not by deeds done in the body but deeds done in the soul.
  
 
 

 Look to this day
for it is life
the very life of life.
 
 -Sanskrit poem
 ,

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so lived...that 
they offered themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and 
what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its 
bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and 
were This comprehension of the cause, this intelligent devotion, this 
deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in testimony of 
their loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor today, not 
merely that the cause was worthy but that they were worthy. 
 


  We do not live for self We are a part of a larger life, reaching before 
and after, judged not by deeds done in the body but deeds done in the soul.
  
 
 

 Look to this day
for it is life
the very life of life.
 
 -Sanskrit poem
 ,

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

“We will count ourselves successful only when the problems of Today's world are 
substantially reduced and eventually eliminated and the educational 
institutions of every country are capable of producing fully developed 
citizens.” 
 -Maharishi, from the founding catalog of Maharishi International University, 
1974 
 


 It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so lived...that 
they offered themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and 
what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its 
bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and 
were This comprehension of the cause, this intelligent devotion, this 
deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in testimony of 
their loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor today, not 
merely that the cause was worthy but that they were worthy. 
 


  We do not live for self We are a part of a larger life, reaching before 
and after, judged not by deeds done in the body but deeds done in the soul.
  
 
 

 Look to this day
for it is life
the very life of life.
 
 -Sanskrit poem
 ,

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

 Buck wrote:

 > It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so 
 > lived...that they offered 
 > themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and what is 
 > more, a cause they 
 > comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its 
 > consequences, solemnly 
 > pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the 
 > cause, this intelligent 
 > devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in 
 > testimony of their 
 > loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor today, not 
 > merely that the cause 
 > was worthy but that they were worthy. 

 Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 1884 
Memorial Day Address:

 It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that they 
offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear to humanity; 
and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all 
its bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and 
were This comprehension of the cause—this intelligent devotion—this 
deliberate dedication of themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony 
of their loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and 
these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that the cause 
was worthy but that they were worthy

 http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html 
http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

And in addition Buck -

 You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, spamming, and 
typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits communicating to those 
on this forum. There is a spark in there somewhere Buck - it shows very 
occasionally - why not work on letting that come through instead of this 
ponderous Bible thumping approach which was better suited to a previous age. 
You are making it appear that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. 
The dinosaurs disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  Buck wrote:

 > It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so 
 > lived...that they offered 
 > themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and what is 
 > more, a cause they 
 > comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its 
 > consequences, solemnly 
 > pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the 
 > cause, this intelligent 
 > devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in 
 > testimony of their 
 > loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor today, not 
 > merely that the cause 
 > was worthy but that they were worthy. 

 Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 1884 
Memorial Day Address:

 It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that they 
offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear to humanity; 
and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all 
its bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and 
were This comprehension of the cause—this intelligent devotion—this 
deliberate dedication of themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony 
of their loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and 
these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that the cause 
was worthy but that they were worthy

 http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html 
http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: A long interview with one of the best artists of a generation

Barry wrote:
 (snip)
 > The artist, of course, is Joni Mitchell. And on some levels it's tough to 
 > see her, because she's had health 
 > problems all her life (polio at 9, a relapse of same in her 40s, and related 
 > problems ever since)

 Does she mention that she believes she suffers from Morgellons syndrome? 

 Or has she been...uh...cured of that since she announced it a few years back?

 I don't judge her or "write her off" for her belief in Morgellons, BTW. It's a 
weird, scary, awful condition, and I very much hope she's over it.

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

Om ha, ha, ha, ha. Xeno, evidently I struck your nerve. Classic. Typical ad 
hominem response to hit back at the messenger and not deal with the message. 
Would seems you are just one so sad no account sorry quitter himself for having 
fallen off the wagon as it drove on leaving you behind. I like these paragraphs 
for the study of how they can stir people. Worked even for you now. Thanks, 
 -Buck 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 And in addition Buck -

 You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, spamming, and 
typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits communicating to those 
on this forum. There is a spark in there somewhere Buck - it shows very 
occasionally - why not work on letting that come through instead of this 
ponderous Bible thumping approach which was better suited to a previous age. 
You are making it appear that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. 
The dinosaurs disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  Buck wrote:

 > It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so 
 > lived...that they offered 
 > themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and what is 
 > more, a cause they 
 > comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its 
 > consequences, solemnly 
 > pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the 
 > cause, this intelligent 
 > devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in 
 > testimony of their 
 > loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor today, not 
 > merely that the cause 
 > was worthy but that they were worthy. 

 Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 1884 
Memorial Day Address:

 It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that they 
offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear to humanity; 
and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all 
its bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and 
were This comprehension of the cause—this intelligent devotion—this 
deliberate dedication of themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony 
of their loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and 
these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that the cause 
was worthy but that they were worthy

 http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html 
http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Devastation in the Phillippines

2013-11-11 Thread Mike Dixon

Don't hold your breath on that one.




On Sunday, November 10, 2013 6:06 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
  
  
For better or for worse, the TMO isn't in the disaster-relief business; it's in 
the teaching-TM business.

It would be nice, though, if they'd send some teachers out there to teach TM 
for free to storm victims once the immediate crisis is under control. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


But, but, but, why isn't the TMO on the list of organizations receiving 
donations for relief?



On Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:46 PM, Bhairitu  wrote:
  
  
I have a client/friend who has outsourced some of his software development to 
the Philippines.  He waned me to make the trip with him there around this time 
to play technical director.  I was not big on the idea.  I'm meeting with him 
tomorrow so will jibe him about that idea.  No reason in this day in age of 
Skype why we need to make such trips.

So how much are the Waltons going to be donating?


On 11/10/2013 12:17 PM, authfriend@... wrote:
> 
  
>The parts of the Phillippines hit by Super Typhoon Haiyan look like Japan 
>after the tsunami. Ten thousand people is an early estimate of how many have 
>died, and this will surely rise once rescue and recovery teams can reach 
>outlying areas. Communications and power are out, and many are without food 
>and clean water. 
>
> 
>Here's a list from Yahoo! News of some of the relief organizations accepting 
>donations: 
>- The United Nations World Food Programme estimates that 2.5 million people 
>will need food assistance in the regions affected by Haiyan. They have set up 
>a page where you can donate to efforts aimed at providing relief to families 
>and children affected by the typhoon.
> 
>- UNICEF is accepting donations to directly assist the children affected by 
>Haiyan. “Children urgently need access to safe water, hygiene supplies, food, 
>shelter and a safe environment to recover,” the groups said.
>- Catholic Relief Services is another major organization helping to collect 
>relief funds for the recovery efforts.
>- CARE teams are on the ground in typhoon-affected areas of the Philippines 
>and CARE plans to provide emergency relief to thousands of families.
>- ChildFund International has been on the ground in the Philippines since 
>1954. In addition to providing food, water and shelter for typhoon victims, 
>the organization is also setting up counseling centers for children affected 
>by the disaster.
> 
>- Save the Children is directing donations to help children in the 
>Philippines, Vietnam and Laos. They’ve also said they will set aside 10 
>percent of all donations to create a new fund for similar future emergencies. 
>- Oxfam is also working on relief efforts to provide clean water, food, 
>medicine and shelter to victims.
> - Heifer is accepting donations to help residents recover from and prepare 
> for future disasters.
>- The Canadian organization GlobalMedic is working to provide clean water to 
>Haiyan victims. “Those people are vulnerable,” GlobalMedic’s Rahul Singh told 
>the Toronto Sun. “And clean water is essential in order to prevent a secondary 
>catastrophe.” 
>
> 
>If the links above aren't clickable, go to article on Yahoo, here: 
>
> 
>http://news.yahoo.com/how-to-help-donate-to-victims-of-super-typhoon-haiyan-195111618.html
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

2013-11-11 Thread Mike Dixon

Buck hits back. That's OK

On Monday, November 11, 2013 6:07 AM, "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:

Om
ha, ha, ha, ha.  Xeno, evidently I struck your nerve.  Classic. 
Typical ad hominem response to hit back at the messenger and not deal
with the message.  Would seems you are just one so sad no account
sorry quitter himself for having fallen off the wagon as it drove on
leaving you behind.  I like these paragraphs for the study of how
they can stir people.  Worked even for you now.  Thanks,   
-Buck  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

And in addition Buck -

You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, spamming, and 
typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits communicating to those 
on this forum. There is a spark in there somewhere Buck - it shows very 
occasionally - why not work on letting that come through instead of this 
ponderous Bible thumping approach which was better suited to a previous age. 
You are making it appear that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. 
The dinosaurs disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up! 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Buck wrote:

> It
is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so
lived...that they offered 
> themselves willingly in a cause vital and
dear to humanity; and what is more, a cause they 
> comprehended as
such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its consequences,
solemnly 
> pledged to it all that they had and were This
comprehension of the cause, this intelligent 
> devotion, this
deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in
testimony of their 
> loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators
worthy of honor today, not merely that the cause 
> was worthy but that they were
worthy.  

Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 1884 
Memorial Day Address:

It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that they 
offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear to humanity; 
and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all 
its bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and 
were This comprehension of the cause—this intelligent devotion—this 
deliberate dedication of themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony 
of their loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and 
these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that the cause 
was worthy but that they were worthy

http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

The paragraphs would be just as stirring, Buck, if you credited them properly, 
along with a "paraphrased from" notation (as with the verses from Matthew we 
discussed earlier). 

 In this case, though, the lack of such a credit line makes it appear you are 
hoping everyone will attribute the stirring rhetoric to your own writing skill.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Om ha, ha, ha, ha. Xeno, evidently I struck your nerve. Classic. Typical ad 
hominem response to hit back at the messenger and not deal with the message. 
Would seems you are just one so sad no account sorry quitter himself for having 
fallen off the wagon as it drove on leaving you behind. I like these paragraphs 
for the study of how they can stir people. Worked even for you now. Thanks, 
 -Buck 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 And in addition Buck -

 You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, spamming, and 
typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits communicating to those 
on this forum. There is a spark in there somewhere Buck - it shows very 
occasionally - why not work on letting that come through instead of this 
ponderous Bible thumping approach which was better suited to a previous age. 
You are making it appear that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. 
The dinosaurs disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  Buck wrote:

 > It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so 
 > lived...that they offered 
 > themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and what is 
 > more, a cause they 
 > comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its 
 > consequences, solemnly 
 > pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the 
 > cause, this intelligent 
 > devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in 
 > testimony of their 
 > loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor today, not 
 > merely that the cause 
 > was worthy but that they were worthy. 

 Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 1884 
Memorial Day Address:

 It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that they 
offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear to humanity; 
and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all 
its bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and 
were This comprehension of the cause—this intelligent devotion—this 
deliberate dedication of themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony 
of their loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and 
these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that the cause 
was worthy but that they were worthy

 http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html 
http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

Seraphita wrote: 
 (snip)
 > Re "In Buddhism, the “self” is the ego (the “I”) – a conceptual construct 
 > that is quite 
 > unreal. In Advaita, the Self is the only “truly Real” and is the basis of 
 > all concepts.": 
 > So what you're saying is that Buddhists and Vedantists have been talking at 
 > cross- 
 > purposes for centuries when they speak of the s/Self: how comical is that?

 Seems to me anyone who is familiar with both traditions understands that they 
each deny "true reality" to the self (lower-case) but differ as to whether 
there is a Self (capitalized).

 However, it's awfully tempting to equate Nirvana with the Self (Atman/Brahman).

 From the Udana, attributed to the Buddha:

 "There is, monks, that plane where there is neither extension, nor motion, nor 
the plane of infinite ether nor that of 
neither-perception-nor-non-perception, neither this world nor another, neither 
the moon nor the sun. Here, monks, I say that there is no coming or going or 
remaining or deceasing or uprising, for this is itself without support, without 
continuance in samsara, without mental object - this is itself the end of 
suffering.

 "There is, monks, an unborn, not become, unmade, uncompounded, and were it 
not, monks, for this unborn, not become, not made, uncompounded, no escape 
could be shown here for what is born, has become, is made, is compounded. But 
because there is, monks, an unborn, not become, unmade, uncompounded, therefore 
an escape can be shown, for what is born, has become, is made, is compounded."

 http://buddha-dharma.net/contributions/buddhism%26vedanta.html  
http://buddha-dharma.net/contributions/buddhism%26vedanta.html 

 Also interesting are the apparent parallels between the descriptions of 
Brahman/the Uncompounded and the descriptions of God in classical theism (e.g., 
Aquinas). Of course, the map is not the territory, but the territory seems to 
have given rise to remarkably similar conceptual maps in this regard.

 Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is "that which is not"--but the illusion 
involved is not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman.

 (Fire when ready, empty. You da man here.)

[FairfieldLife] RE: Wha??

 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Genetic perfection?? No f'ing way: 

 
http://www.returnofkings.com/21243/top-13-hottest-miss-universe-2013-contestants
 
http://www.returnofkings.com/21243/top-13-hottest-miss-universe-2013-contestants

 

 The "author" of that article should be shot.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 The paragraphs would be just as stirring, Buck, if you credited them properly, 
along with a "paraphrased from" notation (as with the verses from Matthew we 
discussed earlier). 

 In this case, though, the lack of such a credit line makes it appear you are 
hoping everyone will attribute the stirring rhetoric to your own writing skill.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Om ha, ha, ha, ha. Xeno, evidently I struck your nerve. Classic. Typical ad 
hominem response to hit back at the messenger and not deal with the message. 
Would seems you are just one so sad no account sorry quitter himself for having 
fallen off the wagon as it drove on leaving you behind. I like these paragraphs 
for the study of how they can stir people. Worked even for you now. Thanks, 
 -Buck 

 Now you sound like Barry, Buck - like you meant to push buttons and get a 
reaction that hit back at you. You did not. You meant to do what you always do: 
regurgitate some lame-brained and, may I say, very boring outdated kind of 
spiel on the merits of good works (meditating) and the meritorious rewards 
(support of nature) that will result. Not a soul here feels any of this as 
having an iota of flesh and blood behind it. It is all emptiness and very 
hollow. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 And in addition Buck -

 You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, spamming, and 
typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits communicating to those 
on this forum. There is a spark in there somewhere Buck - it shows very 
occasionally - why not work on letting that come through instead of this 
ponderous Bible thumping approach which was better suited to a previous age. 
You are making it appear that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. 
The dinosaurs disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  Buck wrote:

 > It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so 
 > lived...that they offered 
 > themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and what is 
 > more, a cause they 
 > comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its 
 > consequences, solemnly 
 > pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the 
 > cause, this intelligent 
 > devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in 
 > testimony of their 
 > loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor today, not 
 > merely that the cause 
 > was worthy but that they were worthy. 

 Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 1884 
Memorial Day Address:

 It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that they 
offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear to humanity; 
and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all 
its bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and 
were This comprehension of the cause—this intelligent devotion—this 
deliberate dedication of themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony 
of their loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and 
these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that the cause 
was worthy but that they were worthy

 http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html 
http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: A long interview with one of the best artists of a generation

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Barry wrote:
 (snip)
 > The artist, of course, is Joni Mitchell. And on some levels it's tough to 
 > see her, because she's had health 
 > problems all her life (polio at 9, a relapse of same in her 40s, and related 
 > problems ever since)

 Does she mention that she believes she suffers from Morgellons syndrome? 

 Or has she been...uh...cured of that since she announced it a few years back?

 I don't judge her or "write her off" for her belief in Morgellons, BTW. It's a 
weird, scary, awful condition, and I very much hope she's over it.

 Very strange, this "disease". Here is an excerpt from an interview Joni gave:

 On April 22, The LA Times asked Joni this question:
 You’ve come out in the media as a sufferer of a controversial condition known 
as Morgellons. How is your health currently?
 Joni Replies
 I have this weird, incurable disease that seems like it’s from outer space, 
but my health’s the best it’s been in a while, Two nights ago, I went out for 
the first time since Dec. 23: I don’t look so bad under incandescent light, but 
I look scary under daylight. Garbo and Dietrich hid away just because people 
became so upset watching them age, but this is worse. Fibers in a variety of 
colors protrude out of my skin like mushrooms after a rainstorm: they cannot be 
forensically identified as animal, vegetable or mineral. Morgellons is a slow, 
unpredictable killer — a terrorist disease: it will blow up one of your organs, 
leaving you in bed for a year. But I have a tremendous will to live: I’ve been 
through another pandemic — I’m a polio survivor, so I know how conservative the 
medical body can be. In America, the Morgellons is always diagnosed as 
"delusion of parasites," and they send you to a psychiatrist. I’m actually 
trying to get out of the music business to battle for Morgellons sufferers to 
receive the credibility that’s owed to them.

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

Ooops, I left out a quote I was going to include:

 "It is true that the Upanishads lay emphasis upon the ultimate reality of 
Ātman, but this Ātman is not identical with the personal ego. It is rather 
impersonal or superpersonal. It is identical with the absolute Brahman, and the 
egos are but the distortions and pale expressions of this supreme Principle. 
Nowhere in the texts of the Pali Tripitaka do we come across a passage which 
can plausibly be interpreted as a criticism of this supreme Principle. ... The 
Buddha's affirmation of a Background behind the phenomenal world as something 
unmade, uncreated, and uncompounded is not logically incompatible with the 
affirmation of the absolute Brahman in the Upanishads. ... His persistent 
refusal to enter into a logical dissertation on the nature of nirvana and the 
survival of the enlightened saint in positive and categorical terms has left 
room dissension and dispute even among his own followers. The reason for this 
non-committal attitude might be the realization of the inadequacy and 
imbecility of human language to give a vivid and unambiguous portraiture of the 
supreme Truth. The Buddha was obviously fed up with the welter of speculations 
with which the enviroment was surcharged and which only caused confusion of 
thought and bewilderment in ethical and religious conduct."

 --Excerpted from The Cultural Heritage of India, Vol. 1, by Satkari Mookerjee, 
M.A., PH.D.

 http://buddha-dharma.net/contributions/buddhism%26vedanta.html 
http://buddha-dharma.net/contributions/buddhism%26vedanta.html

 And this is the correct URL for the Buddha quote:

http://www.clear-vision.org/Schools/Students/Ages-17-18/Nature-of-Reality/Nirvana.aspx

http://www.clear-vision.org/Schools/Students/Ages-17-18/Nature-of-Reality/Nirvana.aspx

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Seraphita wrote: 
 (snip)
 > Re "In Buddhism, the “self” is the ego (the “I”) – a conceptual construct 
 > that is quite 
 > unreal. In Advaita, the Self is the only “truly Real” and is the basis of 
 > all concepts.": 
 > So what you're saying is that Buddhists and Vedantists have been talking at 
 > cross- 
 > purposes for centuries when they speak of the s/Self: how comical is that?

 Seems to me anyone who is familiar with both traditions understands that they 
each deny "true reality" to the self (lower-case) but differ as to whether 
there is a Self (capitalized).

 However, it's awfully tempting to equate Nirvana with the Self (Atman/Brahman).

 From the Udana, attributed to the Buddha:

 "There is, monks, that plane where there is neither extension, nor motion, nor 
the plane of infinite ether nor that of 
neither-perception-nor-non-perception, neither this world nor another, neither 
the moon nor the sun. Here, monks, I say that there is no coming or going or 
remaining or deceasing or uprising, for this is itself without support, without 
continuance in samsara, without mental object - this is itself the end of 
suffering.

 "There is, monks, an unborn, not become, unmade, uncompounded, and were it 
not, monks, for this unborn, not become, not made, uncompounded, no escape 
could be shown here for what is born, has become, is made, is compounded. But 
because there is, monks, an unborn, not become, unmade, uncompounded, therefore 
an escape can be shown, for what is born, has become, is made, is compounded."

 http://buddha-dharma.net/contributions/buddhism%26vedanta.html  
http://buddha-dharma.net/contributions/buddhism%26vedanta.html 

 Also interesting are the apparent parallels between the descriptions of 
Brahman/the Uncompounded and the descriptions of God in classical theism (e.g., 
Aquinas). Of course, the map is not the territory, but the territory seems to 
have given rise to remarkably similar conceptual maps in this regard.

 Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is "that which is not"--but the illusion 
involved is not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman.

 (Fire when ready, empty. You da man here.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

It took just over three hours for this FFL thread to turn into a shit 
pile. Go figure.


On 11/11/2013 7:23 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:


And in addition Buck -


You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, 
spamming, and typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits 
communicating to those on this forum. There is a spark in there 
somewhere Buck - it shows very occasionally - why not work on letting 
that come through instead of this ponderous Bible thumping approach 
which was better suited to a previous age. You are making it appear 
that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. The dinosaurs 
disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up!




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

Buck wrote:


*> It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so 
lived...that they offered *


*> themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and 
what is more, a cause they *


*> comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and 
its consequences, solemnly *


*> pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of 
the cause, this intelligent *


*> devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they 
suffered in testimony of their *


*> loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor 
today, not merely that the cause *


*> was worthy but that they were worthy.*


Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 
1884 Memorial Day Address:


It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that 
they offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear 
to humanity; and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and 
looking at it, in all its bearings and its consequences, solemnly 
pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the 
cause—this intelligent devotion—this deliberate dedication of 
themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony of their 
loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and 
these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that 
the cause was worthy but that they were worthy


http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: A long interview with one of the best artists of a generation

I've been following Morgellons off and on for a while now. It is super-strange.
When you read the testimony of the Morgellons sufferers, it's hard to believe
it could be delusional. But virtually everyone who has researched it says there
is ZERO evidence for it as a new disease entity. Most medical professionals
seem to be quite sure it's something that's been around awhile known as
"delusional parasitosis." But does that explain it, or just explain it away?
Either way, it's horrible for the folks who suffer from it.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morgellons-disease/SN00043
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morgellons-disease/SN00043

http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/Forum-Morgellons-Syndrome

(And contrary to what Barry says, I can find no indication that anybody thinks
it's a problem related to polio.)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

Barry wrote:
(snip)
> The artist, of course, is Joni Mitchell. And on some levels it's tough to
> see her, because she's had health
> problems all her life (polio at 9, a relapse of same in her 40s, and related
> problems ever since)

Does she mention that she believes she suffers from Morgellons syndrome?

Or has she been...uh...cured of that since she announced it a few years back?

I don't judge her or "write her off" for her belief in Morgellons, BTW. It's a
weird, scary, awful condition, and I very much hope she's over it.

Very strange, this "disease". Here is an excerpt from an interview Joni gave:

On April 22, The LA Times asked Joni this question:
You’ve come out in the media as a sufferer of a controversial condition known
as Morgellons. How is your health currently?
Joni Replies
I have this weird, incurable disease that seems like it’s from outer space,
but my health’s the best it’s been in a while, Two nights ago, I went out for
the first time since Dec. 23: I don’t look so bad under incandescent light, but
I look scary under daylight. Garbo and Dietrich hid away just because people
became so upset watching them age, but this is worse. Fibers in a variety of
colors protrude out of my skin like mushrooms after a rainstorm: they cannot be
forensically identified as animal, vegetable or mineral. Morgellons is a slow,
unpredictable killer — a terrorist disease: it will blow up one of your organs,
leaving you in bed for a year. But I have a tremendous will to live: I’ve been
through another pandemic — I’m a polio survivor, so I know how conservative the
medical body can be. In America, the Morgellons is always diagnosed as
"delusion of parasites," and they send you to a psychiatrist. I’m actually
trying to get out of the music business to battle for Morgellons sufferers to
receive the credibility that’s owed to them.

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

Well, this is an internet forum, not a scholar's place necessarily. Yeah 
crediting, that is an interesting problem communicating quick in a place like 
this. On FFL and other forums people are so quick with the ad hominem or 
dropping in to rabbit holes that credits can be themselves actually distracting 
to what is being said. Like a while ago I paraphrased extensively from Mao's 
quotations in to TM-ese as an exercise to see how it sounded. I've shared that 
paraphrase with other people and outside scholars too. I find that if I start 
out identifying it from Mao people never get to reading the text but get 
entirely distracted by the source of the citation. Works a lot better to have 
them read through the paraphrase first, then they get the power of what was 
said rather than being distracted by who said it. A while back ago I used the 
wisdom of Tolstoy in a long exchange with the spiritually confused volunteer, 
Turqb. The dialogue worked much better between Buck and Turq for people to read 
than if the Tolstoy text would have just been offered and cited. I appreciate 
that Authfriend and some others are writers and editors by profession and live 
and think in that world. Internet forums seem to have their rules that may be 
different as a living culture. Of course my own challenge is that I was 
arrested at the eighth grade level of rhetoric. Forgive me. Sorrry, I got to go 
now. I got to go right now and take a load of lamb rams to “locker-camp”. Rams 
loaded early this morning before meditation at the Dome, I got an appointment. 
Life on the farm after meditation, -Buck 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 The paragraphs would be just as stirring, Buck, if you credited them properly, 
along with a "paraphrased from" notation (as with the verses from Matthew we 
discussed earlier). 

 In this case, though, the lack of such a credit line makes it appear you are 
hoping everyone will attribute the stirring rhetoric to your own writing skill.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Om ha, ha, ha, ha. Xeno, evidently I struck your nerve. Classic. Typical ad 
hominem response to hit back at the messenger and not deal with the message. 
Would seems you are just one so sad no account sorry quitter himself for having 
fallen off the wagon as it drove on leaving you behind. I like these paragraphs 
for the study of how they can stir people. Worked even for you now. Thanks, 
 -Buck 

 Now you sound like Barry, Buck - like you meant to push buttons and get a 
reaction that hit back at you. You did not. You meant to do what you always do: 
regurgitate some lame-brained and, may I say, very boring outdated kind of 
spiel on the merits of good works (meditating) and the meritorious rewards 
(support of nature) that will result. Not a soul here feels any of this as 
having an iota of flesh and blood behind it. It is all emptiness and very 
hollow. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 And in addition Buck -

 You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, spamming, and 
typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits communicating to those 
on this forum. There is a spark in there somewhere Buck - it shows very 
occasionally - why not work on letting that come through instead of this 
ponderous Bible thumping approach which was better suited to a previous age. 
You are making it appear that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. 
The dinosaurs disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  Buck wrote:

 > It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so 
 > lived...that they offered 
 > themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and what is 
 > more, a cause they 
 > comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its 
 > consequences, solemnly 
 > pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the 
 > cause, this intelligent 
 > devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in 
 > testimony of their 
 > loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor today, not 
 > merely that the cause 
 > was worthy but that they were worthy. 

 Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 1884 
Memorial Day Address:

 It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that they 
offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear to humanity; 
and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all 
its bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and 
were This comprehension of the cause—this intelligent devotion—this 
deliberate dedication of themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony 
of their loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and 
these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of marty

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Wha??

Shot, without being charged or without a trial, on Veterans Day? This is 
just outrageous shit!!!


On 11/11/2013 8:34 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

Genetic perfection?? No f'ing way:

http://www.returnofkings.com/21243/top-13-hottest-miss-universe-2013-contestants

The "author" of that article should be shot.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: A long interview with one of the best artists of a generation

You guys really took Barry's post about Joni Mitchell down a level or
two this morning and turned his message into a shit pile. Good work!

On 11/11/2013 9:12 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

*I've been following Morgellons off and on for a while now. It is
super-strange. When you read the testimony of the Morgellons
sufferers, it's hard to believe it could be delusional. But virtually
everyone who has researched it says there is ZERO evidence for it as a
new disease entity. Most medical professionals seem to be quite sure
it's something that's been around awhile known as "delusional
parasitosis." But does that explain it, or just explain it away?
Either way, it's horrible for the folks who suffer from it.*

*
*

*http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morgellons-disease/SN00043
*

*
*

*http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/Forum-Morgellons-Syndrome
*

*
*

*(And contrary to what Barry says, I can find no indication that
anybody thinks it's a problem related to polio.) *

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

Barry wrote:

(snip)

> The artist, of course, is Joni Mitchell. And on some levels it's
tough to see her, because she's had health
> problems all her life (polio at 9, a relapse of same in her 40s, and
related problems ever since)

Does she mention that she believes she suffers from Morgellons syndrome?

Or has she been...uh...cured of that since she announced it a few
years back?

I don't judge her or "write her off" for her belief in Morgellons,
BTW. It's a weird, scary, awful condition, and I very much hope she's
over it.

Very strange, this "disease". Here is an excerpt from an interview
Joni gave:

On April 22, The LA Times asked Joni this question:

You’ve come out in the media as a sufferer of a controversial
condition known as Morgellons. How is your health currently?

Joni Replies

I have this weird, incurable disease that seems like it’s from
outer space, but my health’s the best it’s been in a while,
Two nights ago, I went out for the first time since Dec. 23: I
don’t look so bad under incandescent light, but I look scary
under daylight. Garbo and Dietrich hid away just because
people became so upset watching them age, but this is worse.
Fibers in a variety of colors protrude out of my skin like
mushrooms after a rainstorm: they cannot be forensically
identified as animal, vegetable or mineral. Morgellons is a
slow, unpredictable killer — a terrorist disease: it will blow
up one of your organs, leaving you in bed for a year. But I
have a tremendous will to live: I’ve been through another
pandemic — I’m a polio survivor, so I know how conservative
the medical body can be. In America, the Morgellons is always
diagnosed as "delusion of parasites," and they send you to a
psychiatrist. I’m actually trying to get out of the music
business to battle for Morgellons sufferers to receive the
credibility that’s owed to them.

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

Put the credit line at the end, Buck, so they read the text first. That isn't 
hard to figure out.

 BTW, plagiarism is not abhorrent only to scholars. It's considered a serious 
breach of integrity generally. Don't know if you've been reading the news, but 
recently GOP leader Ron Paul got in big trouble for plagiarizing Wikipedia. He 
was fired from one publication for which he was writing regular columns; and 
it's being said that he may have trashed his chances for the Republican 
presidential nomination, for which he had been considered a leading candidate.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Well, this is an internet forum, not a scholar's place necessarily. Yeah 
crediting, that is an interesting problem communicating quick in a place like 
this. On FFL and other forums people are so quick with the ad hominem or 
dropping in to rabbit holes that credits can be themselves actually distracting 
to what is being said. Like a while ago I paraphrased extensively from Mao's 
quotations in to TM-ese as an exercise to see how it sounded. I've shared that 
paraphrase with other people and outside scholars too. I find that if I start 
out identifying it from Mao people never get to reading the text but get 
entirely distracted by the source of the citation. Works a lot better to have 
them read through the paraphrase first, then they get the power of what was 
said rather than being distracted by who said it. A while back ago I used the 
wisdom of Tolstoy in a long exchange with the spiritually confused volunteer, 
Turqb. The dialogue worked much better between Buck and Turq for people to read 
than if the Tolstoy text would have just been offered and cited. I appreciate 
that Authfriend and some others are writers and editors by profession and live 
and think in that world. Internet forums seem to have their rules that may be 
different as a living culture. Of course my own challenge is that I was 
arrested at the eighth grade level of rhetoric. Forgive me. Sorrry, I got to go 
now. I got to go right now and take a load of lamb rams to “locker-camp”. Rams 
loaded early this morning before meditation at the Dome, I got an appointment. 
Life on the farm after meditation, -Buck 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 The paragraphs would be just as stirring, Buck, if you credited them properly, 
along with a "paraphrased from" notation (as with the verses from Matthew we 
discussed earlier). 

 In this case, though, the lack of such a credit line makes it appear you are 
hoping everyone will attribute the stirring rhetoric to your own writing skill.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Om ha, ha, ha, ha. Xeno, evidently I struck your nerve. Classic. Typical ad 
hominem response to hit back at the messenger and not deal with the message. 
Would seems you are just one so sad no account sorry quitter himself for having 
fallen off the wagon as it drove on leaving you behind. I like these paragraphs 
for the study of how they can stir people. Worked even for you now. Thanks, 
 -Buck 

 Now you sound like Barry, Buck - like you meant to push buttons and get a 
reaction that hit back at you. You did not. You meant to do what you always do: 
regurgitate some lame-brained and, may I say, very boring outdated kind of 
spiel on the merits of good works (meditating) and the meritorious rewards 
(support of nature) that will result. Not a soul here feels any of this as 
having an iota of flesh and blood behind it. It is all emptiness and very 
hollow. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 And in addition Buck -

 You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, spamming, and 
typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits communicating to those 
on this forum. There is a spark in there somewhere Buck - it shows very 
occasionally - why not work on letting that come through instead of this 
ponderous Bible thumping approach which was better suited to a previous age. 
You are making it appear that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. 
The dinosaurs disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  Buck wrote:

 > It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so 
 > lived...that they offered 
 > themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and what is 
 > more, a cause they 
 > comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its 
 > consequences, solemnly 
 > pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the 
 > cause, this intelligent 
 > devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in 
 > testimony of their 
 > loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor today, not 
 > merely that the cause 
 > was worthy but that they were worthy. 

 Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 188

[FairfieldLife] Re: RE: A long interview with one of the best artists of a generation

2013-11-11 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> You guys really took Barry's post about Joni Mitchell down a level or
> two this morning and turned his message into a shit pile. Good work!

That was the whole point.


> On 11/11/2013 9:12 AM, authfriend@... wrote:
> >
> > *I've been following Morgellons off and on for a while now. It is
> > super-strange. When you read the testimony of the Morgellons
> > sufferers, it's hard to believe it could be delusional. But
virtually
> > everyone who has researched it says there is ZERO evidence for it as
a
> > new disease entity. Most medical professionals seem to be quite sure
> > it's something that's been around awhile known as "delusional
> > parasitosis." But does that explain it, or just explain it away?
> > Either way, it's horrible for the folks who suffer from it.*
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
> > *http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morgellons-disease/SN00043
> > *
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
> >
*http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/For\
um-Morgellons-Syndrome
> > *
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
> > *(And contrary to what Barry says, I can find no indication that
> > anybody thinks it's a problem related to polio.) *
> >
> >
> >
> > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@ wrote:
> >
> > Barry wrote:
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> > > The artist, of course, is Joni Mitchell. And on some levels it's
> > tough to see her, because she's had health
> > > problems all her life (polio at 9, a relapse of same in her 40s,
and
> > related problems ever since)
> >
> > Does she mention that she believes she suffers from Morgellons
syndrome?
> >
> > Or has she been...uh...cured of that since she announced it a few
> > years back?
> >
> > I don't judge her or "write her off" for her belief in Morgellons,
> > BTW. It's a weird, scary, awful condition, and I very much hope
she's
> > over it.
> >
> > Very strange, this "disease". Here is an excerpt from an interview
> > Joni gave:
> >
> > On April 22, The LA Times asked Joni this question:
> >
> > Youâve come out in the media as a sufferer of a
controversial
> > condition known as Morgellons. How is your health currently?
> >
> > Joni Replies
> >
> > I have this weird, incurable disease that seems like
itâs from
> > outer space, but my healthâs the best itâs
been in a while,
> > Two nights ago, I went out for the first time since Dec. 23:
I
> > donât look so bad under incandescent light, but I
look scary
> > under daylight. Garbo and Dietrich hid away just because
> > people became so upset watching them age, but this is worse.
> > Fibers in a variety of colors protrude out of my skin like
> > mushrooms after a rainstorm: they cannot be forensically
> > identified as animal, vegetable or mineral. Morgellons is a
> > slow, unpredictable killer â" a terrorist disease: it
will blow
> > up one of your organs, leaving you in bed for a year. But I
> > have a tremendous will to live: Iâve been through
another
> > pandemic â" Iâm a polio survivor, so I know how
conservative
> > the medical body can be. In America, the Morgellons is
always
> > diagnosed as "delusion of parasites," and they send you to a
> > psychiatrist. Iâm actually trying to get out of the
music
> > business to battle for Morgellons sufferers to receive the
> > credibility thatâs owed to them.
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

Not quite. It is true I have criticised your method of presentation here. But I 
was not criticising or attempting to disprove the message you were conveying. 
From an emotional point of view, your intent is laudable. So, if an attack, it 
was aimed at you for your anachronistic style of presentation, but it was not 
an ad hominem logical fallacy attack attempting to disprove the message by 
killing the messenger. This is the 21st century Buck, not the 19th century. I 
do not have that many nerves to be struck. I still meditate every day, three, 
four times a day. I have quit only those things which are not productive, and 
testing is always in order to discover what is working and what is not, though 
there are times when it is not possible to gauge progress this way. May you 
have the best of all possible experience.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Om ha, ha, ha, ha. Xeno, evidently I struck your nerve. Classic. Typical ad 
hominem response to hit back at the messenger and not deal with the message. 
Would seems you are just one so sad no account sorry quitter himself for having 
fallen off the wagon as it drove on leaving you behind. I like these paragraphs 
for the study of how they can stir people. Worked even for you now. Thanks, 
 -Buck 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 And in addition Buck -

 You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, spamming, and 
typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits communicating to those 
on this forum. There is a spark in there somewhere Buck - it shows very 
occasionally - why not work on letting that come through instead of this 
ponderous Bible thumping approach which was better suited to a previous age. 
You are making it appear that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. 
The dinosaurs disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  Buck wrote:

 > It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so 
 > lived...that they offered 
 > themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and what is 
 > more, a cause they 
 > comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its 
 > consequences, solemnly 
 > pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the 
 > cause, this intelligent 
 > devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in 
 > testimony of their 
 > loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor today, not 
 > merely that the cause 
 > was worthy but that they were worthy. 

 Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 1884 
Memorial Day Address:

 It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that they 
offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear to humanity; 
and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all 
its bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and 
were This comprehension of the cause—this intelligent devotion—this 
deliberate dedication of themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony 
of their loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and 
these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that the cause 
was worthy but that they were worthy

 http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html 
http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: RE: A long interview with one of the best artists of a generation

Paranoid much, Barry? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"Richard J. Williams" wrote:
 >
 > You guys really took Barry's post about Joni Mitchell down a level or
 > two this morning and turned his message into a shit pile. Good work!
 
 That was the whole point.
 
 
 > On 11/11/2013 9:12 AM, authfriend@... wrote:
 > >
 > > *I've been following Morgellons off and on for a while now. It is
 > > super-strange. When you read the testimony of the Morgellons
 > > sufferers, it's hard to believe it could be delusional. But
 virtually
 > > everyone who has researched it says there is ZERO evidence for it as
 a
 > > new disease entity. Most medical professionals seem to be quite sure
 > > it's something that's been around awhile known as "delusional
 > > parasitosis." But does that explain it, or just explain it away?
 > > Either way, it's horrible for the folks who suffer from it.*
 > >
 > > *
 > > *
 > >
 > > *http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morgellons-disease/SN00043 
 > > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morgellons-disease/SN00043
 > > *
 > >
 > > *
 > > *
 > >
 > >
 *http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/For\ 
http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/For\
 um-Morgellons-Syndrome
 > > *
 > >
 > > *
 > > *
 > >
 > > *(And contrary to what Barry says, I can find no indication that
 > > anybody thinks it's a problem related to polio.) *
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 > > awoelflebater@ wrote:
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
 > > authfriend@ wrote:
 > >
 > > Barry wrote:
 > >
 > > (snip)
 > >
 > > > The artist, of course, is Joni Mitchell. And on some levels it's
 > > tough to see her, because she's had health
 > > > problems all her life (polio at 9, a relapse of same in her 40s,
 and
 > > related problems ever since)
 > >
 > > Does she mention that she believes she suffers from Morgellons
 syndrome?
 > >
 > > Or has she been...uh...cured of that since she announced it a few
 > > years back?
 > >
 > > I don't judge her or "write her off" for her belief in Morgellons,
 > > BTW. It's a weird, scary, awful condition, and I very much hope
 she's
 > > over it.
 > >
 > > Very strange, this "disease". Here is an excerpt from an interview
 > > Joni gave:
 > >
 > > On April 22, The LA Times asked Joni this question:
 > >
 > > Youâve come out in the media as a sufferer of a
 controversial
 > > condition known as Morgellons. How is your health currently?
 > >
 > > Joni Replies
 > >
 > > I have this weird, incurable disease that seems like
 itâs from
 > > outer space, but my healthâs the best itâs
 been in a while,
 > > Two nights ago, I went out for the first time since Dec. 23:
 I
 > > donât look so bad under incandescent light, but I
 look scary
 > > under daylight. Garbo and Dietrich hid away just because
 > > people became so upset watching them age, but this is worse.
 > > Fibers in a variety of colors protrude out of my skin like
 > > mushrooms after a rainstorm: they cannot be forensically
 > > identified as animal, vegetable or mineral. Morgellons is a
 > > slow, unpredictable killer â" a terrorist disease: it
 will blow
 > > up one of your organs, leaving you in bed for a year. But I
 > > have a tremendous will to live: Iâve been through
 another
 > > pandemic â" Iâm a polio survivor, so I know how
 conservative
 > > the medical body can be. In America, the Morgellons is
 always
 > > diagnosed as "delusion of parasites," and they send you to a
 > > psychiatrist. Iâm actually trying to get out of the
 music
 > > business to battle for Morgellons sufferers to receive the
 > > credibility thatâs owed to them.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 >

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: A long interview with one of the best artists of a generation

I have no particular interest in Joni Mitchell, but it was Barry himself who
made a big point of her medical issues.

Posting about Morgellons--which is fascinating in and of itself--does not stop
anybody from discussing Mitchell's painting or songwriting or anything else she
talks about in the interview. Did you have something you wanted to say about
any of that?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

You guys really took Barry's post about Joni Mitchell down a level or two this
morning and turned his message into a shit pile. Good work!

On 11/11/2013 9:12 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

I've been following Morgellons off and on for a while now. It is
super-strange. When you read the testimony of the Morgellons sufferers, it's
hard to believe it could be delusional. But virtually everyone who has
researched it says there is ZERO evidence for it as a new disease entity. Most
medical professionals seem to be quite sure it's something that's been around
awhile known as "delusional parasitosis." But does that explain it, or just
explain it away? Either way, it's horrible for the folks who suffer from it.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morgellons-disease/SN00043
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morgellons-disease/SN00043

http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/Forum-Morgellons-Syndrome

(And contrary to what Barry says, I can find no indication that anybody thinks
it's a problem related to polio.)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,
mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

Does she mention that she believes she suffers from Morgellons syndrome?

Or has she been...uh...cured of that since she announced it a few years back?

I don't judge her or "write her off" for her belief in Morgellons, BTW. It's a
weird, scary, awful condition, and I very much hope she's over it.

Very strange, this "disease". Here is an excerpt from an interview Joni gave:

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: RE: A long interview with one of the best artists of a generation

P.S.: What's amusing about Barry's reaction is that he gets outraged when 
anyone points out that a comment on a post is a non sequitur. He sees 
tangential comments as indicating creative thinking, and dumps on those who 
disparage non sequiturs as insisting that folks respond only to what the poster 
wants them to comment on.
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Paranoid much, Barry? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"Richard J. Williams" wrote:
 >
 > You guys really took Barry's post about Joni Mitchell down a level or
 > two this morning and turned his message into a shit pile. Good work!
 
 That was the whole point.
 
 
 > On 11/11/2013 9:12 AM, authfriend@... wrote:
 > >
 > > *I've been following Morgellons off and on for a while now. It is
 > > super-strange. When you read the testimony of the Morgellons
 > > sufferers, it's hard to believe it could be delusional. But
 virtually
 > > everyone who has researched it says there is ZERO evidence for it as
 a
 > > new disease entity. Most medical professionals seem to be quite sure
 > > it's something that's been around awhile known as "delusional
 > > parasitosis." But does that explain it, or just explain it away?
 > > Either way, it's horrible for the folks who suffer from it.*
 > >
 > > *
 > > *
 > >
 > > *http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morgellons-disease/SN00043 
 > > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morgellons-disease/SN00043
 > > *
 > >
 > > *
 > > *
 > >
 > >
 *http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/For\ 
http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/For\
 um-Morgellons-Syndrome
 > > *
 > >
 > > *
 > > *
 > >
 > > *(And contrary to what Barry says, I can find no indication that
 > > anybody thinks it's a problem related to polio.) *
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 > > awoelflebater@ wrote:
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
 > > authfriend@ wrote:
 > >
 > > Barry wrote:
 > >
 > > (snip)
 > >
 > > > The artist, of course, is Joni Mitchell. And on some levels it's
 > > tough to see her, because she's had health
 > > > problems all her life (polio at 9, a relapse of same in her 40s,
 and
 > > related problems ever since)
 > >
 > > Does she mention that she believes she suffers from Morgellons
 syndrome?
 > >
 > > Or has she been...uh...cured of that since she announced it a few
 > > years back?
 > >
 > > I don't judge her or "write her off" for her belief in Morgellons,
 > > BTW. It's a weird, scary, awful condition, and I very much hope
 she's
 > > over it.
 > >
 > > Very strange, this "disease". Here is an excerpt from an interview
 > > Joni gave:
 > >
 > > On April 22, The LA Times asked Joni this question:
 > >
 > > Youâve come out in the media as a sufferer of a
 controversial
 > > condition known as Morgellons. How is your health currently?
 > >
 > > Joni Replies
 > >
 > > I have this weird, incurable disease that seems like
 itâs from
 > > outer space, but my healthâs the best itâs
 been in a while,
 > > Two nights ago, I went out for the first time since Dec. 23:
 I
 > > donât look so bad under incandescent light, but I
 look scary
 > > under daylight. Garbo and Dietrich hid away just because
 > > people became so upset watching them age, but this is worse.
 > > Fibers in a variety of colors protrude out of my skin like
 > > mushrooms after a rainstorm: they cannot be forensically
 > > identified as animal, vegetable or mineral. Morgellons is a
 > > slow, unpredictable killer â" a terrorist disease: it
 will blow
 > > up one of your organs, leaving you in bed for a year. But I
 > > have a tremendous will to live: Iâve been through
 another
 > > pandemic â" Iâm a polio survivor, so I know how
 conservative
 > > the medical body can be. In America, the Morgellons is
 always
 > > diagnosed as "delusion of parasites," and they send you to a
 > > psychiatrist. Iâm actually trying to get out of the
 music
 > > business to battle for Morgellons sufferers to receive the
 > > credibility thatâs owed to them.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 >

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

I love what Xeno wrote and that he wrote it in the midst of a disagreement: May 
you have the best of all possible experience. Thank you, XA and is it not a 
huge conundrum that progress cannot be gauged by how *productive* a technique 
is? This is where bravery is important I think, a willingness to stand for 
something even if one might be wrong.

On Monday, November 11, 2013 9:26 AM, "anartax...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:

Not quite. It is true I have criticised your method of presentation here. But I 
was not criticising or attempting to disprove the message you were conveying. 
From an emotional point of view, your intent is laudable. So, if an attack, it 
was aimed at you for your anachronistic style of presentation, but it was not 
an ad hominem logical fallacy attack attempting to disprove the message by 
killing the messenger. This is the 21st century Buck, not the 19th century. I 
do not have that many nerves to be struck. I still meditate every day, three, 
four times a day. I have quit only those things which are not productive, and 
testing is always in order to discover what is working and what is not, though 
there are times when it is not possible to gauge progress this way. May you 
have the best of all possible experience.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

Om
ha, ha, ha, ha.  Xeno, evidently I struck your nerve.  Classic. 
Typical ad hominem response to hit back at the messenger and not deal
with the message.  Would seems you are just one so sad no account
sorry quitter himself for having fallen off the wagon as it drove on
leaving you behind.  I like these paragraphs for the study of how
they can stir people.  Worked even for you now.  Thanks,  
-Buck 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

And in addition Buck -

You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, spamming, and 
typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits communicating to those 
on this forum. There is a spark in there somewhere Buck - it shows very 
occasionally - why not work on letting that come through instead of this 
ponderous Bible thumping approach which was better suited to a previous age. 
You are making it appear that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. 
The dinosaurs disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Buck wrote:

> It
is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so
lived...that they offered 
> themselves willingly in a cause vital and
dear to humanity; and what is more, a cause they 
> comprehended as
such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its consequences,
solemnly 
> pledged to it all that they had and were This
comprehension of the cause, this intelligent 
> devotion, this
deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in
testimony of their 
> loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators
worthy of honor today, not merely that the cause 
> was worthy but that they were
worthy. 

Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 1884 
Memorial Day Address:

It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that they 
offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear to humanity; 
and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all 
its bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and 
were This comprehension of the cause—this intelligent devotion—this 
deliberate dedication of themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony 
of their loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and 
these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that the cause 
was worthy but that they were worthy

http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

OTOH, in the Veda it's written: Brahman says, "My indestructible maya." And 
Maharishi has explained that at the deepest level of every cell of our body, 
Purusha IS Prakriti.

I think it can be understood from this perspective from Maharishi: knowledge is 
different in different state of consciousness.

On Monday, November 11, 2013 8:33 AM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:

Seraphita wrote: 
(snip)

> Re "In Buddhism, the “self” is the ego (the “I”) – a conceptual construct 
> that is quite 
> unreal. In Advaita, the Self is the only “truly Real” and is the basis of all 
> concepts.": 
> So what you're saying is that Buddhists and Vedantists have been talking at 
>cross- 
> purposes for centuries when they speak of the s/Self: how comical is that?

Seems to me anyone who is familiar with both traditions understands that they 
each deny "true reality" to the self (lower-case) but differ as to whether 
there is a Self (capitalized).

However, it's awfully tempting to equate Nirvana with the Self (Atman/Brahman).

>From the Udana, attributed to the Buddha:

"There is, monks, that plane where there is neither extension, nor motion, nor 
the plane of infinite ether nor that of 
neither-perception-nor-non-perception, neither this world nor another, neither 
the moon nor the sun. Here, monks, I say that there is no coming or going or 
remaining or deceasing or uprising, for this is itself without support, without 
continuance in samsara, without mental object - this is itself the end of 
suffering.

"There is, monks, an unborn, not become, unmade, uncompounded, and were it not, 
monks, for this unborn, not become, not made, uncompounded, no escape could be 
shown here for what is born, has become, is made, is compounded. But because 
there is, monks, an unborn, not become, unmade, uncompounded, therefore an 
escape can be shown, for what is born, has become, is made, is compounded."

http://buddha-dharma.net/contributions/buddhism%26vedanta.html 

Also interesting are the apparent parallels between the descriptions of 
Brahman/the Uncompounded and the descriptions of God in classical theism (e.g., 
Aquinas). Of course, the map is not the territory, but the territory seems to 
have given rise to remarkably similar conceptual maps in this regard.

Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is "that which is not"--but the illusion 
involved is not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman.

(Fire when ready, empty. You da man here.)

[FairfieldLife] RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 It took just over three hours for this FFL thread to turn into a shit pile. Go 
figure.

 Always good to know our expert scatological private eye is always on the job. 
The shit detector who never sleeps or fails to recognize a turd when he sees 
(or smells) one.

 On 11/11/2013 7:23 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote:

   And in addition Buck -

 You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, spamming, and 
typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits communicating to those 
on this forum. There is a spark in there somewhere Buck - it shows very 
occasionally - why not work on letting that come through instead of this 
ponderous Bible thumping approach which was better suited to a previous age. 
You are making it appear that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. 
The dinosaurs disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up!

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

  Buck wrote:

 > It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so 
 > lived...that they offered 
 > themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and what is 
 > more, a cause they 
 > comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its 
 > consequences, solemnly 
 > pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the 
 > cause, this intelligent 
 > devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in 
 > testimony of their 
 > loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor today, not 
 > merely that the cause 
 > was worthy but that they were worthy. 

 Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 1884 
Memorial Day Address:

 It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that they 
offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear to humanity; 
and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all 
its bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and 
were This comprehension of the cause—this intelligent devotion—this 
deliberate dedication of themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony 
of their loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and 
these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that the cause 
was worthy but that they were worthy

 http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html 
http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html"; 
style="font-size:medium;font-weight:bold;font-family:'times new roman', 'new 
york', times, serif;

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:


On 11/10/2013 8:53 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:

*Do people really talk in those terms? I say he was a selfish bastard!*
Is that the way people over there talk about the Buddha, that he was a 
selfish bastard? LoL!

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

Why is it that almost all the threads on this forum turn to shit in just 
a few hours? Go figure.



On 11/11/2013 8:19 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:

Buck hits back. That's OK


On Monday, November 11, 2013 6:07 AM, "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
*Om ha, ha, ha, ha. Xeno, evidently I struck your nerve. Classic. 
Typical ad hominem response to hit back at the messenger and not deal 
with the message. Would seems you are just one so sad no account sorry 
quitter himself for having fallen off the wagon as it drove on leaving 
you behind. I like these paragraphs for the study of how they can stir 
people. Worked even for you now. Thanks, *

*-Buck*


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

And in addition Buck -

You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, 
spamming, and typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits 
communicating to those on this forum. There is a spark in there 
somewhere Buck - it shows very occasionally - why not work on letting 
that come through instead of this ponderous Bible thumping approach 
which was better suited to a previous age. You are making it appear 
that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. The dinosaurs 
disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up!



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

Buck wrote:

*> It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so 
lived...that they offered *
*> themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and 
what is more, a cause they *
*> comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and 
its consequences, solemnly *
*> pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of 
the cause, this intelligent *
*> devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they 
suffered in testimony of their *
*> loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor 
today, not merely that the cause *

*> was worthy but that they were worthy.*

Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 
1884 Memorial Day Address:


It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that 
they offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear 
to humanity; and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and 
looking at it, in all its bearings and its consequences, solemnly 
pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the 
cause—this intelligent devotion—this deliberate dedication of 
themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony of their 
loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and 
these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that 
the cause was worthy but that they were worthy


http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: A long interview with one of the best artists of a generation

You got to the office early this morning!

On 11/11/2013 9:30 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

I have no particular interest in Joni Mitchell, but it was Barry
himself who made a big point of her medical issues.

Posting about Morgellons--which is fascinating in and of itself--does
not stop anybody from discussing Mitchell's painting or songwriting or
anything else she talks about in the interview. Did you have something
you wanted to say about any of that?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

You guys really took Barry's post about Joni Mitchell down a level or
two this morning and turned his message into a shit pile. Good work!

On 11/11/2013 9:12 AM, authfriend@... wrote:

*I've been following Morgellons off and on for a while now. It is
super-strange. When you read the testimony of the Morgellons
sufferers, it's hard to believe it could be delusional. But virtually
everyone who has researched it says there is ZERO evidence for it as
a new disease entity. Most medical professionals seem to be quite
sure it's something that's been around awhile known as "delusional
parasitosis." But does that explain it, or just explain it away?
Either way, it's horrible for the folks who suffer from it.*

*
*

*http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morgellons-disease/SN00043
*

*
*

*http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/Forum-Morgellons-Syndrome
*

*
*

*(And contrary to what Barry says, I can find no indication that
anybody thinks it's a problem related to polio.) *

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,
wrote:

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
,
wrote:

Barry wrote:

(snip)

Does she mention that she believes she suffers from Morgellons syndrome?

Or has she been...uh...cured of that since she announced it a few
years back?

I don't judge her or "write her off" for her belief in Morgellons,
BTW. It's a weird, scary, awful condition, and I very much hope she's
over it.

Very strange, this "disease". Here is an excerpt from an interview
Joni gave:

On April 22, The LA Times asked Joni this question:

You’ve come out in the media as a sufferer of a controversial
condition known as Morgellons. How is your health currently?

Joni Replies

I have this weird, incurable disease that seems like it’s
from outer space, but my health’s the best it’s been in a
while, Two nights ago, I went out for the first time since
Dec. 23: I don’t look so bad under incandescent light, but I
look scary under daylight. Garbo and Dietrich hid away just
because people became so upset watching them age, but this is
worse. Fibers in a variety of colors protrude out of my skin
like mushrooms after a rainstorm: they cannot be forensically
identified as animal, vegetable or mineral. Morgellons is a
slow, unpredictable killer — a terrorist disease: it will
blow up one of your organs, leaving you in bed for a year.
But I have a tremendous will to live: I’ve been through
another pandemic — I’m a polio survivor, so I know how
conservative the medical body can be. In America, the
Morgellons is always diagnosed as "delusion of parasites,"
and they send you to a psychiatrist. I’m actually trying to
get out of the music business to battle for Morgellons
sufferers to receive the credibility that’s owed to them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

Ok, Richard, here's one theory: operant conditioning. If the negative comments 
get responded to more than positive comments do, then duh, people are gonna 
post negative comments. As you say, people just want to talk with someone (-:





On Monday, November 11, 2013 9:00 AM, Richard J. Williams 
 wrote:
 
  
It took just over three hours for this FFL thread to turn into a shit pile. Go 
figure.

On 11/11/2013 7:23 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

  
>And in addition Buck -
>
>
>You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, spamming, and 
>typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits communicating to those 
>on this forum. There is a spark in there somewhere Buck - it shows very 
>occasionally - why not work on letting that come through instead of this 
>ponderous Bible thumping approach which was better suited to a previous age. 
>You are making it appear that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. 
>The dinosaurs disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up!
>
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
>
> Buck wrote:
>
>
>> It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so 
>> lived...that they offered 
>> themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and what is 
>> more, a cause they 
>> comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its 
>> consequences, solemnly 
>> pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the 
>> cause, this intelligent 
>> devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in 
>> testimony of their 
>> loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor today, not 
>> merely that the cause 
>> was worthy but that they were worthy. 
>
>
>Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 1884 
>Memorial Day Address:
>
>
>It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that they 
>offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear to humanity; 
>and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all 
>its bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had 
>and were This comprehension of the cause—this intelligent devotion—this 
>deliberate dedication of themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony 
>of their loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and 
>these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that the cause 
>was worthy but that they were worthy
>
>
>http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html
>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: RE: A long interview with one of the best artists of a generation


> Paranoid much, Barry?
>
Non sequitur.

On 11/11/2013 9:30 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


Paranoid much, Barry?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, "Richard J. Williams" wrote:


>
> You guys really took Barry's post about Joni Mitchell down a
level or
> two this morning and turned his message into a shit pile. Good work!

That was the whole point.


> On 11/11/2013 9:12 AM, authfriend@... wrote:
> >
> > *I've been following Morgellons off and on for a while now. It is
> > super-strange. When you read the testimony of the Morgellons
> > sufferers, it's hard to believe it could be delusional. But

virtually

> > everyone who has researched it says there is ZERO evidence for
it as

a

> > new disease entity. Most medical professionals seem to be
quite sure
> > it's something that's been around awhile known as "delusional
> > parasitosis." But does that explain it, or just explain it away?
> > Either way, it's horrible for the folks who suffer from it.*
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
> > *http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morgellons-disease/SN00043
> > *
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
> >

*http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/For\ 


um-Morgellons-Syndrome

> > *
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
> > *(And contrary to what Barry says, I can find no indication that
> > anybody thinks it's a problem related to polio.) *
> >
> >
> >
> > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, awoelflebater@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
, authfriend@ wrote:
> >
> > Barry wrote:
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> > > The artist, of course, is Joni Mitchell. And on some levels it's
> > tough to see her, because she's had health
> > > problems all her life (polio at 9, a relapse of same in her 40s,

and

> > related problems ever since)
> >
> > Does she mention that she believes she suffers from Morgellons

syndrome?

> >
> > Or has she been...uh...cured of that since she announced it a few
> > years back?
> >
> > I don't judge her or "write her off" for her belief in Morgellons,
> > BTW. It's a weird, scary, awful condition, and I very much hope

she's

> > over it.
> >
> > Very strange, this "disease". Here is an excerpt from an interview
> > Joni gave:
> >
> > On April 22, The LA Times asked Joni this question:
> >
> > Youâve come out in the media as a sufferer of a

controversial

> > condition known as Morgellons. How is your health currently?
> >
> > Joni Replies
> >
> > I have this weird, incurable disease that seems like

itâs from

> > outer space, but my healthâs the best itâs

been in a while,

> > Two nights ago, I went out for the first time since Dec. 23:

I

> > donât look so bad under incandescent light, but I

look scary

> > under daylight. Garbo and Dietrich hid away just because
> > people became so upset watching them age, but this is worse.
> > Fibers in a variety of colors protrude out of my skin like
> > mushrooms after a rainstorm: they cannot be forensically
> > identified as animal, vegetable or mineral. Morgellons is a
> > slow, unpredictable killer â" a terrorist disease: it

will blow

> > up one of your organs, leaving you in bed for a year. But I
> > have a tremendous will to live: Iâve been through

another

> > pandemic â" Iâm a polio survivor, so I know how

conservative

> > the medical body can be. In America, the Morgellons is

always

> > diagnosed as "delusion of parasites," and they send you to a
> > psychiatrist. Iâm actually trying to get out of the

music

> > business to battle for Morgellons sufferers to receive the
> > credibility thatâs owed to them.
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators


Go ahead, just shoot me!

On 11/11/2013 10:11 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

It took just over three hours for this FFL thread to turn into a shit 
pile. Go figure.


Always good to know our expert scatological private eye is always on 
the job. The shit detector who never sleeps or fails to recognize a 
turd when he sees (or smells) one.


On 11/11/2013 7:23 AM, anartaxius@...  wrote:


And in addition Buck -


You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, 
spamming, and typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits 
communicating to those on this forum. There is a spark in there 
somewhere Buck - it shows very occasionally - why not work on letting 
that come through instead of this ponderous Bible thumping approach 
which was better suited to a previous age. You are making it appear 
that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. The dinosaurs 
disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up!




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
,  
 wrote:


Buck wrote:


*> It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so 
lived...that they offered *


*> themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and 
what is more, a cause they *


*> comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and 
its consequences, solemnly *


*> pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of 
the cause, this intelligent *


*> devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they 
suffered in testimony of their *


*> loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor 
today, not merely that the cause *


*> was worthy but that they were worthy.*


Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence 
Chamberlain's 1884 Memorial Day Address:


It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that 
they offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear 
to humanity; and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and 
looking at it, in all its bearings and its consequences, solemnly 
pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of 
the cause—this intelligent devotion—this deliberate dedication of 
themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony of their 
loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and 
these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that 
the cause was worthy but that they were worthy


http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: Wha??

 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Shot, without being charged or without a trial, on Veterans Day? This is just 
outrageous shit!!!
 

 As pronounced by a citizen of the most gun-loving State in the Union. (As well 
as our resident poop detective, God love him.)
 
 On 11/11/2013 8:34 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 

 
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:cardemaister@... wrote:
 
 Genetic perfection?? No f'ing way: 
 
 
http://www.returnofkings.com/21243/top-13-hottest-miss-universe-2013-contestants
 
http://www.returnofkings.com/21243/top-13-hottest-miss-universe-2013-contestants
 
 
 
 The "author" of that article should be shot.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

"OTOH"?? Read what I wrote again, Share.
 

 Share fumbled:

> OTOH, in the Veda it's written: Brahman says, "My indestructible maya." And 
 > Maharishi has explained that at the deepest level of every cell of our body, 
 > Purusha IS 
 > Prakriti.
 

 (snip)
 I wrote:
 > > Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is "that which is not"--but the 
 > > illusion involved is 
 > > not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Devastation in the Phillippines

Right, Bhairitu, they're happy to see their people die.
 
Bhairitu wrote:
 > What they really need to do is figure out cheap ways to help their people 
 > survive such storms.  But their 
 > mucky-mucks probably see these disasters as "cullings."

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

Judy, from what I noted, Maharishi said that Brahman is maya. You wrote that 
Maharishi said that Brahman is not maya. Maybe it's simply a case of the 
teacher contradicting himself so that the students don't get trapped in 
intellectual understanding.

On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:17 AM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:

"OTOH"?? Read what I wrote again, Share.

Share fumbled:

> OTOH, in the Veda it's written: Brahman says, "My indestructible maya." And 
> Maharishi has explained that at the deepest level of every cell of our body, 
> Purusha IS 
> Prakriti.

(snip)
I wrote:
> > Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is "that which is not"--but the 
> > illusion involved is 

> > not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Who's Going to Win the Miss Universe 2013 Contest?

People still watch this stuff?  I watched "Europa Report" on Netflix, a 
sci-fi film, which I highly recommend to Netflixers here.


On 11/09/2013 06:50 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:


Buck and Ann,


The winner this year is Miss Venezuela.  Doesn't she look like Raquel 
Welch?



http://tv.yahoo.com/news/venezuelan-crowned-miss-universe-moscow-ceremony-202053448.html


I personally feel that this is a news worthy event.  Why would anyone 
think otherwise?




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

*So it would be good, to have better writing and more self-editing on 
FFL. *


*-Buck *



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

Miss USA has a good chance.  It all depends on what she says in the Q 
and A portion of the contest.  But the competition will be tough this 
year.


http://content2.catalog.photos.msn.com/ds/ee58ec8f-2275-4bd0-92e2-65a73bab924d.jpg

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

Read what I wrote again, dimwit. HINT: Read all the words. When you see where 
you made your mistake, let us know, OK?
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 > Judy, from what I noted, Maharishi said that Brahman is maya. You wrote that 
 > Maharishi 
 > said that Brahman is not maya. Maybe it's simply a case of the teacher 
 > contradicting himself 
 > so that the students don't get trapped in intellectual understanding.
 

 On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:17 AM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:
 
   "OTOH"?? Read what I wrote again, Share.
 

 Share fumbled:

> OTOH, in the Veda it's written: Brahman says, "My indestructible maya." And 
 > Maharishi has explained that at the deepest level of every cell of our body, 
 > Purusha IS 
 > Prakriti.
 

 (snip)
 I wrote:
 > > Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is "that which is not"--but the 
 > > illusion involved is 
 > > not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman.

[FairfieldLife] Chopra at his best; interviewed by Richard Dawkins (atheist).

2013-11-11 Thread wgm4u

Not to suggest Rick's interview wasn't good! But Chopra really shines in this 
interview by the atheist/skeptic Dawkins.
  
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsH1U7zSp7k 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsH1U7zSp7k

RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

Does anyone here know the source of the quote "My indestructible Maya"? On the 
Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, 
mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume 
that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I 
recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or 
otherwise heard it.
 

 Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the 
Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the 
latter)
 

 Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL.
 

 I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, "Vegenaise", a non 
animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be 
called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the 
Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose 
of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: A long interview with one of the best artists of a generation

Oh, I get it - post something interesting to read about art or music and 
then watch how long it takes for it to get turned into shit. This one 
seems to have set a new record for turning a message into a shit pile. 
It sounds like a few people woke up this morning and got a corn cob 
stuck up their ass so they decided to take it out on you. Go figure.


On 11/11/2013 9:26 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote:
>
> You guys really took Barry's post about Joni Mitchell down a level or
> two this morning and turned his message into a shit pile. Good work!

That was the whole point.

> On 11/11/2013 9:12 AM, authfriend@... wrote:
> >
> > *I've been following Morgellons off and on for a while now. It is
> > super-strange. When you read the testimony of the Morgellons
> > sufferers, it's hard to believe it could be delusional. But
virtually
> > everyone who has researched it says there is ZERO evidence for it as
a
> > new disease entity. Most medical professionals seem to be quite sure
> > it's something that's been around awhile known as "delusional
> > parasitosis." But does that explain it, or just explain it away?
> > Either way, it's horrible for the folks who suffer from it.*
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
> > *http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morgellons-disease/SN00043
> > *
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
> >
*http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/For\
um-Morgellons-Syndrome
> > *
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
> > *(And contrary to what Barry says, I can find no indication that
> > anybody thinks it's a problem related to polio.) *
> >
> >
> >
> > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@ wrote:
> >
> > Barry wrote:
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> > > The artist, of course, is Joni Mitchell. And on some levels it's
> > tough to see her, because she's had health
> > > problems all her life (polio at 9, a relapse of same in her 40s,
and
> > related problems ever since)
> >
> > Does she mention that she believes she suffers from Morgellons
syndrome?
> >
> > Or has she been...uh...cured of that since she announced it a few
> > years back?
> >
> > I don't judge her or "write her off" for her belief in Morgellons,
> > BTW. It's a weird, scary, awful condition, and I very much hope
she's
> > over it.
> >
> > Very strange, this "disease". Here is an excerpt from an interview
> > Joni gave:
> >
> > On April 22, The LA Times asked Joni this question:
> >
> > YouâEUR^(TM)ve come out in the media as a sufferer of a
controversial
> > condition known as Morgellons. How is your health currently?
> >
> > Joni Replies
> >
> > I have this weird, incurable disease that seems like
itâEUR^(TM)s from
> > outer space, but my healthâEUR^(TM)s the best itâEUR^(TM)s
been in a while,
> > Two nights ago, I went out for the first time since Dec. 23:
I
> > donâEUR^(TM)t look so bad under incandescent light, but I
look scary
> > under daylight. Garbo and Dietrich hid away just because
> > people became so upset watching them age, but this is worse.
> > Fibers in a variety of colors protrude out of my skin like
> > mushrooms after a rainstorm: they cannot be forensically
> > identified as animal, vegetable or mineral. Morgellons is a
> > slow, unpredictable killer âEUR" a terrorist disease: it
will blow
> > up one of your organs, leaving you in bed for a year. But I
> > have a tremendous will to live: IâEUR^(TM)ve been through
another
> > pandemic âEUR" IâEUR^(TM)m a polio survivor, so I know how
conservative
> > the medical body can be. In America, the Morgellons is
always
> > diagnosed as "delusion of parasites," and they send you to a
> > psychiatrist. IâEUR^(TM)m actually trying to get out of the
music
> > business to battle for Morgellons sufferers to receive the
> > credibility thatâEUR^(TM)s owed to them.
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything 
else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom 
Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking 
the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so 
unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc.

Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a 
veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate 
reality. Go figure (-:




On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, "anartax...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
Does anyone here know the source of the quote "My indestructible Maya"? On the 
Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, 
mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume 
that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I 
recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or 
otherwise heard it.

Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the 
Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the 
latter)

Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL.

I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, "Vegenaise", a non 
animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be 
called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the 
Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose 
of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with "OTOH" in 
response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything 
else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom 
Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking 
the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so 
unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc.

Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a 
veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate 
reality. Go figure (-:
 
 
 On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, "anartaxius@..."  wrote:
 
   Does anyone here know the source of the quote "My indestructible Maya"? On 
the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, 
mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume 
that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I 
recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or 
otherwise heard it.
 

 Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the 
Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the 
latter)
 

 Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL.
 

 I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, "Vegenaise", a non 
animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be 
called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the 
Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose 
of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.

Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to 
name calling.





On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with "OTOH" in 
response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything 
else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom 
Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking 
the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so 
unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc.

Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a 
veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate 
reality. Go figure (-:




On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, "anartaxius@..."  wrote:
 
  
Does anyone here know the source of the quote "My indestructible Maya"? On the 
Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, 
mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume 
that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I 
recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or 
otherwise heard it.

Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the 
Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the 
latter)

Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL.

I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, "Vegenaise", a non 
animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be 
called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the 
Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose 
of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.

Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

Xeno, I googled on brahman maya and there were lots of hits. There were also a 
lot of hits under brahman maya relationship. It seems to be quite 
controversial, some saying maya is not real and others saying it is real. And 
my favorite was the teacher who said it's pointless to try and understand it 
until one is enlightened. But I find it enjoyable to let the brain play with 
these ideas. 





On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:30 PM, Share Long  wrote:
 
  
I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to 
name calling.





On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with "OTOH" in 
response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything 
else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom 
Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking 
the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so 
unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc.

Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering,
 ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya
 ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go 
figure (-:




On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, "anartaxius@..."  wrote:
 
  
Does anyone here know the source of the quote "My indestructible Maya"? On the 
Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, 
mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume 
that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I 
recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or 
otherwise heard it.

Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the 
Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the 
latter)

Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL.

I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, "Vegenaise", a non 
animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be 
called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the 
Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose 
of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.

RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

(giggle) Poor baby.

Share boo-hooed:
 > I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted 
 > to name calling.

 On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:

   So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with "OTOH" in 
response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything 
else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom 
Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking 
the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so 
unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc.

Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a 
veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate 
reality. Go figure (-:

 On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, "anartaxius@..."  wrote:

   Does anyone here know the source of the quote "My indestructible Maya"? On 
the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, 
mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume 
that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I 
recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or 
otherwise heard it.

 Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the 
Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the 
latter)

 Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL.

 I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, "Vegenaise", a non 
animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be 
called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the 
Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose 
of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Devastation in the Phillippines

Ever hear the expression "life is cheap in the Orient?"  Even even been 
in "the Orient?"


On 11/11/2013 09:20 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


*Right, Bhairitu, they're happy to see their people die.*


*Bhairitu wrote:*
> What they really need to do is figure out cheap ways to help their 
people survive such storms.  But their

> mucky-mucks probably see these disasters as "cullings."

[FairfieldLife] RE: Devastation in the Phillippines

Ahem, Judy, that's a rather provocative statement to make.  I don't believe 
anyone, politician or not, wants their families and neighbors to die and be 
happy about it.  I believe the Philippines is a victim of fate and 
circumstance.  The good politicians over there are busy in trying to clean the 
country from graft and corruption.  On the other hand, the crooked ones are 
busy making money from the rest of the people.

 So, when a disaster like this happens, the politicians as a whole are at a 
loss on what to do.  The government doesn't have enough money to recover from 
this type of disaster.  In the end, the government ends up waiting for 
international help and assistance to recover.

 Since most of the people there are Catholics, they will find a way to trust in 
Divine Providence to lead the way.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Right, Bhairitu, they're happy to see their people die.

Bhairitu wrote:
 > What they really need to do is figure 
 out cheap ways to help their people survive such storms.  But their 
 > mucky-mucks probably see these disasters as "cullings."

RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

But where did the quote come from? If Tom Egnes is the source, then Tom = Veda, 
and we can skip Indian literature altogether.
 

 Another version of the idea is 'The world is unreal; Brahman is real; the 
world is Brahman'. This seems to be translation of a quotation by Shankara 
commenting on one of the Upanishads, but I do not know which one.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Xeno, I googled on brahman maya and there were lots of hits. There were also a 
lot of hits under brahman maya relationship. It seems to be quite 
controversial, some saying maya is not real and others saying it is real. And 
my favorite was the teacher who said it's pointless to try and understand it 
until one is enlightened. But I find it enjoyable to let the brain play with 
these ideas. 
 

 
 
 On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:30 PM, Share Long  wrote:
 
   I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted 
to name calling.
 

 
 
 On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:
 
   So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with "OTOH" in 
response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything 
else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom 
Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking 
the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so 
unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc.

Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a 
veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate 
reality. Go figure (-:
 
 
 On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, "anartaxius@..."  wrote:
 
   Does anyone here know the source of the quote "My indestructible Maya"? On 
the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, 
mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume 
that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I 
recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or 
otherwise heard it.
 

 Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the 
Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the 
latter)
 

 Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL.
 

 I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, "Vegenaise", a non 
animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be 
called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the 
Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose 
of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Wha??

It's starting to look like the opposition to private gun ownership is 
more like racial profiling with the traditional anti-gun sentiment based 
on birth circumstances: not a reason-based opinion, but something 
growing out of prejudice. The freedoms of gun owners being the same as 
the rights of pot smokers and gay couples. Go figure.


On 11/11/2013 10:29 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

Shot, without being charged or without a trial, on Veterans Day? This 
is just outrageous shit!!!


As pronounced by a citizen of the most gun-loving State in the Union. 
(As well as our resident poop detective, God love him.)


On 11/11/2013 8:34 AM, awoelflebater@...
 wrote:




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
,  
 wrote:


Genetic perfection?? No f'ing way:

http://www.returnofkings.com/21243/top-13-hottest-miss-universe-2013-contestants

The "author" of that article should be shot.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Devastation in the Phillippines

With Hurricane Sandy only 285 people lost their lives.  But it was less 
than half the force of the typhoon that hit the Philippines.  That storm 
was truly a monster but places around the world need to get ready for 
such catastrophes because we have thrown the environment so out of 
balance these are bound to occur.

When bad earthquakes hit India they found that some of the contractors 
had built cheap infrastructures.  The governments of these countries 
indeed need to take on the wealthy who will rob the people just to line 
their pockets.  The people need help in building homes and shelters that 
are resilient in such times.

On 11/11/2013 11:54 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:

Ahem, Judy, that's a rather provocative statement to make.  I don't 
believe anyone, politician or not, wants their families and neighbors 
to die and be happy about it.  I believe the Philippines is a victim 
of fate and circumstance.  The good politicians over there are busy in 
trying to clean the country from graft and corruption.  On the other 
hand, the crooked ones are busy making money from the rest of the people.

So, when a disaster like this happens, the politicians as a whole are 
at a loss on what to do.  The government doesn't have enough money to 
recover from this type of disaster.  In the end, the government ends 
up waiting for international help and assistance to recover.

Since most of the people there are Catholics, they will find a way to 
trust in Divine Providence to lead the way.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

*Right, Bhairitu, they're happy to see their people die.*

*Bhairitu wrote:*

> What they really need to do is figure

out cheap ways to help their people survive such storms.  But their
> mucky-mucks probably see these disasters as "cullings."

[FairfieldLife] Haiyan photos

Big ones. They're amazing and heartbreaking. 
 

 
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/11/super-typhoon-haiyan-devastates-the-philippines/100625/
 
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/11/super-typhoon-haiyan-devastates-the-philippines/100625/

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Devastation in the Phillippines

Ahem, John, my comment on Bhairitu's remark about "culling" was (obviously, I 
thought) sarcastic. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Ahem, Judy, that's a rather provocative statement to make.  I don't believe 
anyone, politician or not, wants their families and neighbors to die and be 
happy about it.  I believe the Philippines is a victim of fate and 
circumstance.  The good politicians over there are busy in trying to clean the 
country from graft and corruption.  On the other hand, the crooked ones are 
busy making money from the rest of the people.

 So, when a disaster like this happens, the politicians as a whole are at a 
loss on what to do.  The government doesn't have enough money to recover from 
this type of disaster.  In the end, the government ends up waiting for 
international help and assistance to recover.

 Since most of the people there are Catholics, they will find a way to trust in 
Divine Providence to lead the way.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Right, Bhairitu, they're happy to see their people die.

Bhairitu wrote:
 > What they really need to do is figure 
 out cheap ways to help their people survive such storms.  But their 
 > mucky-mucks probably see these disasters as "cullings."

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

Xeno, Tom does not equal Veda for me but I did trust him as a professor.





On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:57 PM, "anartax...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
But where did the quote come from? If Tom Egnes is the source, then Tom = Veda, 
and we can skip Indian literature altogether.

Another version of the idea is 'The world is unreal; Brahman is real; the world 
is Brahman'. This seems to be translation of a quotation by Shankara commenting 
on one of the Upanishads, but I do not know which one.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Xeno, I googled on brahman maya and there were lots of hits. There were also a 
lot of hits under brahman maya relationship. It seems to be quite 
controversial, some saying maya is not real and others saying it is real. And 
my favorite was the teacher who said it's pointless to try and understand it 
until one is enlightened. But I find it enjoyable to let the brain play with 
these ideas. 





On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:30 PM, Share Long  wrote:
 
  
I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted to 
name calling.





On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:
 
  
So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with "OTOH" in 
response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything 
else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom 
Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking 
the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so 
unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc.

Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna
 is a covering,
 ruled by rajo guma is a veil. But maya
 ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate reality. Go 
figure (-:




On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, "anartaxius@..."  wrote:
 
  
Does anyone here know the source of the quote "My indestructible Maya"? On the 
Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, 
mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume 
that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I 
recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or 
otherwise heard it.

Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the 
Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the 
latter)

Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL.

I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, "Vegenaise", a non 
animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be 
called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the 
Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose 
of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.

RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-11 Thread sharelong60

Next step, Judy resorts to ridicule. But why? Why does she feel so threatened? 
And so often? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 (giggle) Poor baby.

Share boo-hooed:
 > I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted 
 > to name calling.

 On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:

   So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with "OTOH" in 
response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything 
else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom 
Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking 
the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so 
unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc.

Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a 
veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate 
reality. Go figure (-:

 On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, "anartaxius@..."  wrote:

   Does anyone here know the source of the quote "My indestructible Maya"? On 
the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, 
mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume 
that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I 
recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or 
otherwise heard it.

 Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the 
Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the 
latter)

 Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL.

 I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, "Vegenaise", a non 
animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be 
called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the 
Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose 
of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.

RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

Right. I'm threatened because you stupidly got something I said wrong and can't 
bring yourself to admit it.

 Share, I know you're trying your best, but really...

 Think,  honey, think. Don't just blather. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Next step, Judy resorts to ridicule. But why? Why does she feel so threatened? 
And so often? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 (giggle) Poor baby.

Share boo-hooed:
 > I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted 
 > to name calling.

 On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:

   So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with "OTOH" in 
response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything 
else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom 
Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking 
the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so 
unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc.

Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a 
veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate 
reality. Go figure (-:

 On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, "anartaxius@..."  wrote:

   Does anyone here know the source of the quote "My indestructible Maya"? On 
the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, 
mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume 
that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I 
recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or 
otherwise heard it.

 Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the 
Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the 
latter)

 Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL.

 I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, "Vegenaise", a non 
animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be 
called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the 
Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose 
of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.

[FairfieldLife] Why are Americans Migrating?

Find out why people are moving to Houston, TX or Charlotte, NC.  By the same 
token, find out why people are moving out of Detroit and other cities. 
 

 I was thinking Idaho would be a nice place to live.  But I remember how it was 
like over there during the winter.  So, here I'll remain in the City by the bay.
 

 
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/cities-americans-moving-escaping-154840318.html?l=1
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/cities-americans-moving-escaping-154840318.html?l=1

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

Why do you think he posts negative comments, you dimwit?
 
Share pandered:
 
 > Ok, Richard, here's one theory: operant conditioning. If the negative 
 > comments get 
 > responded to more than positive comments do, then duh, people are gonna post 
 > negative 
 > comments. As you say, people just want to talk with someone (-:
 

 On Monday, November 11, 2013 9:00 AM, Richard J. Williams  
wrote:
 
   
 > > It took just over three hours for this FFL thread to turn into a shit 
 > > pile. Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

I said; "Do people really talk in those terms? I say he was a selfish bastard!" 
(for not taking the Bodhisattva vow).
 

 Richard said: "Is that the way people over there talk about the Buddha, that 
he was a selfish bastard? LoL!"

 

 People over there?! I always speak for myself alone.
 

 What's your problem? "If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him!" has to be 
the best-known quote in Zen.
 

 The Buddha that you imagine would be offended by either of those comments 
never existed. That's what Buddhism is saying! 
 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 On 11/10/2013 8:53 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:
 
 Do people really talk in those terms? I say he was a selfish bastard! Is that 
the way people over there talk about the Buddha, that he was a selfish bastard? 
LoL!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why are Americans Migrating?

Now we're having colder winters in the Bay Area too.  Better move to the 
tropics. :-D


On 11/11/2013 02:20 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:


Find out why people are moving to Houston, TX or Charlotte, NC.  By 
the same token, find out why people are moving out of Detroit and 
other cities.



I was thinking Idaho would be a nice place to live.  But I remember 
how it was like over there during the winter.  So, here I'll remain in 
the City by the bay.


http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/cities-americans-moving-escaping-154840318.html?l=1

[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks.
 

 I see that when I challenged "emptybill" on his saying: "It's a job for 
numberless kalpas - not just one life", and I said, "That depends on whether 
you really believe you'll be reincarnated. Do you really believe that? If so, 
on what authority?" he never replied. H.
 

 The trouble is, no one takes seriously the idea that we are "all" at root the 
One Self (or the No-Self - spot the difference). Amuse yourselves for a moment 
by imagining that this idea is true. What follows? If all the apparent "others" 
are really the Self then the idea of reincarnation becomes a perfectly 
comprehensible *metaphor* for the fact that "I" (which "I" is also "you") am 
taking on the roles of all these different individualities. There's no need to 
get caught up in hair-splitting debates about what exactly gets reincarnated 
across different lifetimes. Buddhism is particularly ridiculous in this area - 
how you can argue that the central doctrine of Buddhism is anatta and then talk 
about successive incarnations of this not-self . . . Ugh!
 

 Again: the idea of a Bodhisattva become another perfectly comprehensible 
*metaphor*: to become enlightened - to see that you are that One Self - is to 
see that there are no other sentient beings to "save" - and so you've completed 
your vow! Give yourself a slap on the back.
 

 Isn't the realisation that awareness is continuous and never lost the key? 
Ramana Maharshi taught that there is a gap of a few seconds right when you wake 
up where you can see the I-thought rise up. If the I-thought did not rise up 
each morning, then you would continue to be the Self in the waking state. 
Considered subjectively you are never unconscious. What happens is that (say) 
you are at a party and you suddenly open your eyes to find yourself lying on 
the floor and a friend is scolding you for drinking so much punch. Or, you 
place your head on your pillow at night, battle with ogres in a forest, and 
then hear the alarm telling you it's time to get up. Subjectively the 
experience of consciousness is never broken. You *assume* it is broken because 
(as an example) your wife tells you that you were snoring so much she retreated 
to the sofa and you take her description of what happened (which is true 
subjectively for her, of course) to replace what you yourself actually 
experienced. 
 

 I know this is entering The Twilight Zone but if you decide to always champion 
your own subjective experience of life over any objective description of it 
then the whole Advaita-Vedanta position becomes bleeding obvious. (It could be 
wrong - but it is obvious!)
 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I said; "Do people really talk in those terms? I say he was a selfish 
bastard!" (for not taking the Bodhisattva vow).
 

 Richard said: "Is that the way people over there talk about the Buddha, that 
he was a selfish bastard? LoL!"

 

 People over there?! I always speak for myself alone.
 

 What's your problem? "If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him!" has to be 
the best-known quote in Zen.
 

 The Buddha that you imagine would be offended by either of those comments 
never existed. That's what Buddhism is saying! 
 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 On 11/10/2013 8:53 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:
 
 Do people really talk in those terms? I say he was a selfish bastard! Is that 
the way people over there talk about the Buddha, that he was a selfish bastard? 
LoL!

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RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-11 Thread emilymaenot

I'm rootin' for you Share.  I'm slow on the uptake too, but I think I got this 
one.  The clue is:  Read *all* the words, as Judy has pointed out.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Read what I wrote again, dimwit. HINT: Read all the words. When you see where 
you made your mistake, let us know, OK?
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 > Judy, from what I noted, Maharishi said that Brahman is maya. You wrote that 
 > Maharishi 
 > said that Brahman is not maya. Maybe it's simply a case of the teacher 
 > contradicting himself 
 > so that the students don't get trapped in intellectual understanding.
 

 

 On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:17 AM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:
 
   "OTOH"?? Read what I wrote again, Share.
 

 Share fumbled:

> OTOH, in the Veda it's written: Brahman says, "My indestructible maya." And 
 > Maharishi has explained that at the deepest level of every cell of our body, 
 > Purusha IS 
 > Prakriti.
 

 (snip)
 I wrote:
 > > Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is "that which is not"--but the 
 > > illusion involved is 
 > > not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

He probably had to go to work, but all Hindus and Buddhists believe in 
samsara, karma, and reincarnation.


 On 11/11/2013 6:02 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:


This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks.


I see that when I challenged "emptybill" on his saying: "It's a job 
for numberless kalpas - not just one life", and I said, "That depends 
on whether you really believe you'll be reincarnated. Do you really 
believe that? If so, on what authority?" he never replied. H.



The trouble is, no one takes seriously the idea that we are "all" at 
root the One Self (or the No-Self - spot the difference). Amuse 
yourselves for a moment by imagining that this idea is true. What 
follows? If all the apparent "others" are really the Self then the 
idea of reincarnation becomes a perfectly comprehensible *metaphor* 
for the fact that "I" (which "I" is also "you") am taking on the roles 
of all these different individualities. There's no need to get caught 
up in hair-splitting debates about what exactly gets reincarnated 
across different lifetimes. Buddhism is particularly ridiculous in 
this area - how you can argue that the central doctrine of Buddhism is 
anatta and then talk about successive incarnations of this not-self . 
. . Ugh!



Again: the idea of a Bodhisattva become another perfectly 
comprehensible *metaphor*: to become enlightened - to see that you are 
that One Self - is to see that there are no other sentient beings to 
"save" - and so you've completed your vow! Give yourself a slap on the 
back.



Isn't the realisation that awareness is continuous and never lost the 
key? Ramana Maharshi taught that there is a gap of a few seconds right 
when you wake up where you can see the I-thought rise up. If the 
I-thought did not rise up each morning, then you would continue to be 
the Self in the waking state. Considered subjectively you are never 
unconscious. What happens is that (say) you are at a party and you 
suddenly open your eyes to find yourself lying on the floor and a 
friend is scolding you for drinking so much punch. Or, you place your 
head on your pillow at night, battle with ogres in a forest, and then 
hear the alarm telling you it's time to get up. Subjectively the 
experience of consciousness is never broken. You *assume* it is broken 
because (as an example) your wife tells you that you were snoring so 
much she retreated to the sofa and you take her description of what 
happened (which is true subjectively for her, of course) to replace 
what you yourself actually experienced.



I know this is entering The Twilight Zone but if you decide to always 
champion your own subjective experience of life over any objective 
description of it then the whole Advaita-Vedanta position becomes 
bleeding obvious. (It could be wrong - but it is obvious!)





---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

I said; "Do people really talk in those terms? I say he was a selfish 
bastard!" (for not taking the Bodhisattva vow).



Richard said: "Is that the way people over there talk about the 
Buddha, that he was a selfish bastard? LoL!"



People over there?! I always speak for myself alone.


What's your problem? "If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him!" 
has to be the best-known quote in Zen.



The Buddha that you imagine would be offended by either of those 
comments never existed. That's what Buddhism is saying!





---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

On 11/10/2013 8:53 PM, s3raphita@...  wrote:


*Do people really talk in those terms? I say he was a selfish
bastard!*

Is that the way people over there talk about the Buddha, that
he was a selfish bastard? LoL!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why are Americans Migrating?

There is one main point about living in the tropics - your heating bill 
will go way down.


On 11/11/2013 5:22 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


Now we're having colder winters in the Bay Area too.  Better move to 
the tropics. :-D


On 11/11/2013 02:20 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:


Find out why people are moving to Houston, TX or Charlotte, NC.  By 
the same token, find out why people are moving out of Detroit and 
other cities.



I was thinking Idaho would be a nice place to live.  But I remember 
how it was like over there during the winter.  So, here I'll remain 
in the City by the bay.


http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/cities-americans-moving-escaping-154840318.html?l=1

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

The 'Bodhisattva'  is mentioned in the Pali scriptures. The Bodhisattva 
vow is the vow taken by Mahayana Buddhists to attain complete 
enlightenment for the sake of all sentient beings. Both the Theravada 
and the Mahayana unanimously accept the Bodhisattva ideal as the highest.


On 11/11/2013 5:09 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:


I said; "Do people really talk in those terms? I say he was a selfish 
bastard!" (for not taking the Bodhisattva vow).



Richard said: "Is that the way people over there talk about the 
Buddha, that he was a selfish bastard? LoL!"



People over there?! I always speak for myself alone.


What's your problem? "If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him!" 
has to be the best-known quote in Zen.



The Buddha that you imagine would be offended by either of those 
comments never existed. That's what Buddhism is saying!





---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

On 11/10/2013 8:53 PM, s3raphita@...  wrote:


*Do people really talk in those terms? I say he was a selfish
bastard!*

Is that the way people over there talk about the Buddha, that he
was a selfish bastard? LoL!

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:


Maybe things were just slow around the office this afternoon. LoL!

On 11/11/2013 3:11 PM, sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:


Next step, Judy resorts to ridicule. But why? Why does she feel so 
threatened? And so often?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

*(giggle) Poor baby.*


Share boo-hooed:

> I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you 
resorted
to name calling.




On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, "authfriend@..." 
 wrote:
So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with 
"OTOH" in response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to 
admit it?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use 
anything else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit 
professor Dr. Tom Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 
school year when I was taking the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases 
that stuck with me because it's so unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc.


Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo 
guma is a veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a 
ladder to ultimate reality. Go figure (-:



On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, "anartaxius@..." 
 wrote:
Does anyone here know the source of the quote "My indestructible 
Maya"? On the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL 
principally, mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share 
quoted it, I assume that she is picking it out of her memory rather 
than from a source text. I recall the phrase, but my feeble aging 
brain, cannot recall where I read or otherwise heard it.


Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), 
the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY 
translation of the latter)


Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL.

I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, "Vegenaise", 
a non animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe 
itshould be called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably 
confuse it with the Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, 
confusion is the whole purpose of Maya. Gotta love this universe for 
beating us up this way.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why are Americans Migrating?


  
  

  
  You probably can't see this but it is worth a tree er try.
  
  On 11/11/2013 04:47 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


   
  
  
 
There is one main point about
  living in the tropics - your heating bill will go way
  down.
  
  On 11/11/2013 5:22 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

  
  
 
Now we're having colder
  winters in the Bay Area too.  Better move to the
  tropics.  :-D 
  
  On 11/11/2013 02:20 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com
  wrote:

  
  
Find out why people are moving to Houston, TX or
  Charlotte, NC.  By the same token, find out why
  people are moving out of Detroit and other cities.


I was thinking Idaho would be a nice place to
  live.  But I remember how it was like over there
  during the winter.  So, here I'll remain in the
  City by the bay.


http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/cities-americans-moving-escaping-154840318.html?l=1

RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-11 Thread emilymaenot

I sent this at 10:30 this morning.  It was posted at 4:18 pm.  It must be a 
sign.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I'm rootin' for you Share.  I'm slow on the uptake too, but I think I got this 
one.  The clue is:  Read *all* the words, as Judy has pointed out.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Read what I wrote again, dimwit. HINT: Read all the words. When you see where 
you made your mistake, let us know, OK?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 > Judy, from what I noted, Maharishi said that Brahman is maya. You wrote that 
 > Maharishi 
 > said that Brahman is not maya. Maybe it's simply a case of the teacher 
 > contradicting himself 
 > so that the students don't get trapped in intellectual understanding.

 On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:17 AM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:

   "OTOH"?? Read what I wrote again, Share.

 Share fumbled:

> OTOH, in the Veda it's written: Brahman says, "My indestructible maya." And 
 > Maharishi has explained that at the deepest level of every cell of our body, 
 > Purusha IS 
 > Prakriti.

 (snip)
 I wrote:
 > > Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is "that which is not"--but the 
 > > illusion involved is 
 > > not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

You've got to realize, Share, that getting up in the morning and turning 
a perfectly good thread to shit is the first thing on some people's 
agenda. It's like an addiction or a prop; part of their morning ritual. 
Another thing you need to realize is that this posting may be the only 
spiritual practice they do on a regular basis. I wouldn't be surprised 
if some of the informants here actually go to bed at night and dream 
what they can post here the next morning. The rule here is, if it's 
posted by the TurquoiseB, then it should get pooped on- it's inherent in 
the design. You've got to know your adversary and what buttons need to 
be pushed in order to get a negative response. LoL!



On 11/11/2013 10:23 AM, Share Long wrote:
Ok, Richard, here's one theory: operant conditioning. If the negative 
comments get responded to more than positive comments do, then duh, 
people are gonna post negative comments. As you say, people just want 
to talk with someone (-:




On Monday, November 11, 2013 9:00 AM, Richard J. Williams 
 wrote:
It took just over three hours for this FFL thread to turn into a shit 
pile. Go figure.


On 11/11/2013 7:23 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:

And in addition Buck -

You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, 
spamming, and typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits 
communicating to those on this forum. There is a spark in there 
somewhere Buck - it shows very occasionally - why not work on letting 
that come through instead of this ponderous Bible thumping approach 
which was better suited to a previous age. You are making it appear 
that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. The dinosaurs 
disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up!



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
,  
 wrote:


Buck wrote:

*> It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so 
lived...that they offered *
*> themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and 
what is more, a cause they *
*> comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and 
its consequences, solemnly *
*> pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of 
the cause, this intelligent *
*> devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they 
suffered in testimony of their *
*> loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor 
today, not merely that the cause *

*> was worthy but that they were worthy.*

Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence 
Chamberlain's 1884 Memorial Day Address:


It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that 
they offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear 
to humanity; and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and 
looking at it, in all its bearings and its consequences, solemnly 
pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of 
the cause—this intelligent devotion—this deliberate dedication of 
themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony of their 
loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and 
these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that 
the cause was worthy but that they were worthy


http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

Neuroplasticity and the jyotish pitta-laced gulab jamuns at work, no doubt. 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I sent this at 10:30 this morning.  It was posted at 4:18 pm.  It must be a 
sign.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I'm rootin' for you Share.  I'm slow on the uptake too, but I think I got this 
one.  The clue is:  Read *all* the words, as Judy has pointed out.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Read what I wrote again, dimwit. HINT: Read all the words. When you see where 
you made your mistake, let us know, OK?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 > Judy, from what I noted, Maharishi said that Brahman is maya. You wrote that 
 > Maharishi 
 > said that Brahman is not maya. Maybe it's simply a case of the teacher 
 > contradicting himself 
 > so that the students don't get trapped in intellectual understanding.

 On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:17 AM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:

   "OTOH"?? Read what I wrote again, Share.

 Share fumbled:

> OTOH, in the Veda it's written: Brahman says, "My indestructible maya." And 
 > Maharishi has explained that at the deepest level of every cell of our body, 
 > Purusha IS 
 > Prakriti.

 (snip)
 I wrote:
 > > Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is "that which is not"--but the 
 > > illusion involved is 
 > > not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Remembering Veteran Meditators

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 You've got to realize, Share, that getting up in the morning and turning a 
perfectly good thread to shit is the first thing on some people's agenda. 

 We only have your word to go on but I could agree with you that getting up in 
the morning and taking a good shit is the first thing on most people's agenda.

 It's like an addiction or a prop; part of their morning ritual.

 Absolutely, there is nothing like flushing down the tubes that potent mixture 
of digested waste matter. You gotta know it's true!

  Another thing you need to realize is that this posting may be the only 
spiritual practice they do on a regular basis.

 Spiritual shmiritual, most of us just have pure and simple bloodlust - 
including you when you're not all about the poop.

  I wouldn't be surprised if some of the informants here actually go to bed at 
night and dream what they can post here the next morning. 

 Yes, when we're not dreaming about Barry.

 The rule here is, if it's posted by the TurquoiseB, then it should get pooped 
on- it's inherent in the design.

 Says the man who has smeared more excrement on Barry than the next runner up.

  You've got to know your adversary and what buttons need to be pushed in order 
to get a negative response. LoL!

 Hardee har har. Go figure.

 On 11/11/2013 10:23 AM, Share Long wrote:

   Ok, Richard, here's one theory: operant conditioning. If the negative 
comments get responded to more than positive comments do, then duh, people are 
gonna post negative comments. As you say, people just want to talk with someone 
(-:

 On Monday, November 11, 2013 9:00 AM, Richard J. Williams  
mailto:punditster@... wrote:

 It took just over three hours for this FFL thread to turn into a shit pile. Go 
figure.

 On 11/11/2013 7:23 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote:

   And in addition Buck -

 You posted this last year as well. Your repetitious plagiarism, spamming, and 
typical lack of original thinking here rather ill suits communicating to those 
on this forum. There is a spark in there somewhere Buck - it shows very 
occasionally - why not work on letting that come through instead of this 
ponderous Bible thumping approach which was better suited to a previous age. 
You are making it appear that meditation has zero effect on a person's life. 
The dinosaurs disappeared 65,000,000 years ago. Time to catch up!

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

  Buck wrote:

 > It is not that these meditators have lived, but that they have so 
 > lived...that they offered 
 > themselves willingly in a cause vital and dear to humanity; and what is 
 > more, a cause they 
 > comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all its bearings and its 
 > consequences, solemnly 
 > pledged to it all that they had and were This comprehension of the 
 > cause, this intelligent 
 > devotion, this deliberate dedication of themselves to duty, they suffered in 
 > testimony of their 
 > loyalty, faith and love, make these meditators worthy of honor today, not 
 > merely that the cause 
 > was worthy but that they were worthy. 

 Excerpt from Civil War Brigadier General Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's 1884 
Memorial Day Address:

 It is not that these men are dead, but that they have so died...that they 
offered themselves willingly to death in a cause vital and dear to humanity; 
and what is more, a cause they comprehended as such, and looking at it, in all 
its bearings and its consequences, solemnly pledged to it all that they had and 
were This comprehension of the cause—this intelligent devotion—this 
deliberate dedication of themselves to duty—these deaths suffered in testimony 
of their loyalty, faith and love, make these men worthy of honor today, and 
these deaths equal to the lauded deaths of martyrs. Not merely that the cause 
was worthy but that they were worthy

 http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html 
http://dragoon1st.tripod.com/cw/files/jlc_words.html"; 
style="font-size:medium;font-weight:bold;font-family:'times new roman', 'new 
york', times, serif;

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Why are Americans Migrating?

If I went back to my home island in the Philippines, I'll be subjected to 
earthquakes and super-typhoons that just occurred there a couple of days ago.  
There's probably a karmic reason why I'm here in SF.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Now we're having colder winters in the Bay Area too.  Better move to the 
tropics. :-D 
 
 On 11/11/2013 02:20 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote:
 
   Find out why people are moving to Houston, TX or Charlotte, NC.  By the same 
token, find out why people are moving out of Detroit and other cities.
 
 
 I was thinking Idaho would be a nice place to live.  But I remember how it was 
like over there during the winter.  So, here I'll remain in the City by the bay.
 
 
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/cities-americans-moving-escaping-154840318.html?l=1
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/cities-americans-moving-escaping-154840318.html?l=1

[FairfieldLife] RE: Why are Americans Migrating?

Richard,
 

 In the tropics, your air-conditioning bill will rise during the humid and hot 
summer months.  Then during the wet season, you'll have to worry about the 
super-typhoons that might come by at any time.  Also, there are earthquakes 
that you have to get ready for as well.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 There is one main point about living in the tropics - your heating bill will 
go way down.
 
 On 11/11/2013 5:22 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
 
   
 Now we're having colder winters in the Bay Area too.  Better move to the 
tropics. :-D 
 
 On 11/11/2013 02:20 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote:
 
   Find out why people are moving to Houston, TX or Charlotte, NC.  By the same 
token, find out why people are moving out of Detroit and other cities.
 
 
 I was thinking Idaho would be a nice place to live.  But I remember how it was 
like over there during the winter.  So, here I'll remain in the City by the bay.
 
 
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/cities-americans-moving-escaping-154840318.html?l=1
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/cities-americans-moving-escaping-154840318.html?l=1

[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

Richard J. is such a literalist. If he was (God forbid) a Moslem or a Christian 
he'd be a fruitcake fundamentalist.

 Re his comment that all Hindus and Buddhists believe in samsara, karma, and 
reincarnation:

 Yes they *believe* in that bullshit but on what possible justification? How 
many Hindus and Buddhists seriously claim to have memories of their previous 
incarnations? Precious few, I'd bet. Reincarnation is a pleasing myth which has 
value in hinting at the great truth that we are *not* the separate, isolated 
individuals our common senses tell us we are. 

 Re :The Bodhisattva vow is the vow taken by Mahayana Buddhists to attain 
complete enlightenment for the sake of all sentient beings.:

 Is Richard J claiming that he has taken (or ever, ever, ever intends to take) 
a vow to work for the complete enlightenment of George W. Bush before he will 
choose to sink into parinirvana? Hypocrite! 
 Me - I saw screw Dubbya. I want what's mine!

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Neuroplasticity and the jyotish pitta-laced gulab jamuns at work, no doubt. 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I sent this at 10:30 this morning.  It was posted at 4:18 pm.  It must be a 
sign.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I'm rootin' for you Share.  I'm slow on the uptake too, but I think I got this 
one.  The clue is:  Read *all* the words, as Judy has pointed out.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Read what I wrote again, dimwit. HINT: Read all the words. When you see where 
you made your mistake, let us know, OK?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 > Judy, from what I noted, Maharishi said that Brahman is maya. You wrote that 
 > Maharishi 
 > said that Brahman is not maya. Maybe it's simply a case of the teacher 
 > contradicting himself 
 > so that the students don't get trapped in intellectual understanding.

 On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:17 AM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:

   "OTOH"?? Read what I wrote again, Share.

 Share fumbled:

> OTOH, in the Veda it's written: Brahman says, "My indestructible maya." And 
 > Maharishi has explained that at the deepest level of every cell of our body, 
 > Purusha IS 
 > Prakriti.

 (snip)
 I wrote:
 > > Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is "that which is not"--but the 
 > > illusion involved is 
 > > not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman.

[FairfieldLife] Playing Tennis at Midnight

That was the theme of my dream last night.  John Boehner, the Republican, asked 
me to play tennis with him at that odd hour.  And, I said yes. 
 

 

 Does anyone know how to interpret this dream?

[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

Richard J. is such a literalist. If he was (God forbid) a Moslem or a Christian 
he'd be a fruitcake fundamentalist.  

 Re his comment that all Hindus and Buddhists believe in samsara, karma, and 
reincarnation: Yes they *believe* in that bullshit but on what possible 
justification? How many Hindus and Buddhists seriously claim to have memories 
of their previous incarnations? Precious few, I'd bet. Reincarnation is a 
pleasing myth which has value in hinting at the great truth that we are *not* 
the separate, isolated individuals our common senses tell us we are.   

 Re : "The Bodhisattva vow is the vow taken by Mahayana Buddhists to attain 
complete enlightenment for the sake of all sentient beings.": Is Richard J 
claiming that he has taken (or ever intends to take) a vow to work for the 
complete enlightenment of George W. Bush and Pee-wee Herman before he, Richard, 
will choose to sink into parinirvana? 
 Yes? Hypocrite!  

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Neuroplasticity and the jyotish pitta-laced gulab jamuns at work, no doubt. 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I sent this at 10:30 this morning.  It was posted at 4:18 pm.  It must be a 
sign.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I'm rootin' for you Share.  I'm slow on the uptake too, but I think I got this 
one.  The clue is:  Read *all* the words, as Judy has pointed out.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Read what I wrote again, dimwit. HINT: Read all the words. When you see where 
you made your mistake, let us know, OK?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 > Judy, from what I noted, Maharishi said that Brahman is maya. You wrote that 
 > Maharishi 
 > said that Brahman is not maya. Maybe it's simply a case of the teacher 
 > contradicting himself 
 > so that the students don't get trapped in intellectual understanding.

 On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:17 AM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:

   "OTOH"?? Read what I wrote again, Share.

 Share fumbled:

> OTOH, in the Veda it's written: Brahman says, "My indestructible maya." And 
 > Maharishi has explained that at the deepest level of every cell of our body, 
 > Purusha IS 
 > Prakriti.

 (snip)
 I wrote:
 > > Finally, according to Maharishi, Maya is "that which is not"--but the 
 > > illusion involved is 
 > > not that Maya is not real, but rather that it isn't Brahman.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Playing Tennis at Midnight

 I just found that he came from a humble background.  But he was able to work 
and become successful through his own merit and efforts.  Here's the Wikipedia 
article about him:
 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Boehner 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Boehner

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 That was the theme of my dream last night.  John Boehner, the Republican, 
asked me to play tennis with him at that odd hour.  And, I said yes. 

 

 Does anyone know how to interpret this dream?

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Why are Americans Migrating?

The temp about year around in Kerala is supposedly in the mid 80s.  You 
could put a solar panel on your hut and run a fan to cool down.


On 11/11/2013 07:17 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:


Richard,


In the tropics, your air-conditioning bill will rise during the humid 
and hot summer months.  Then during the wet season, you'll have to 
worry about the super-typhoons that might come by at any time.  Also, 
there are earthquakes that you have to get ready for as well.




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

There is one main point about living in the tropics - your heating 
bill will go way down.


On 11/11/2013 5:22 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

Now we're having colder winters in the Bay Area too. Better move to 
the tropics. :-D


On 11/11/2013 02:20 PM, jr_esq@...  wrote:


Find out why people are moving to Houston, TX or Charlotte, NC.  By 
the same token, find out why people are moving out of Detroit and 
other cities.



I was thinking Idaho would be a nice place to live.  But I remember 
how it was like over there during the winter.  So, here I'll remain 
in the City by the bay.


http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/cities-americans-moving-escaping-154840318.html?l=1

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Why are Americans Migrating?

Some pitta types I know dream of a high plateau down Mexico way where the temps 
are moderate all year long plus not much in the way of natural disasters. So if 
you don't mind drug cartel neighbors, it might be just the spot for retirement 
(-:





On Monday, November 11, 2013 9:51 PM, Bhairitu  wrote:
 
  
The temp about year around in Kerala is supposedly in the mid 80s.  You could 
put a solar panel on your hut and run a fan to cool down.

On 11/11/2013 07:17 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:

  
>Richard,
>
>
>In the tropics, your air-conditioning bill will rise during the humid and hot 
>summer months.  Then during the wet season, you'll have to worry about the 
>super-typhoons that might come by at any time.  Also, there are earthquakes 
>that you have to get ready for as well.
>
>
>---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
>
>There is one main point about living in the tropics - your heating bill will 
>go way down.
>
>
>On 11/11/2013 5:22 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>>
>  
>>Now we're having colder winters in the Bay Area too.  Better move to the 
>>tropics. :-D 
>>
>>On 11/11/2013 02:20 PM, jr_esq@... wrote:
>>
>>  
>>>Find out why people are moving to Houston, TX or Charlotte, NC.  By the same 
>>>token, find out why people are moving out of Detroit and other cities.
>>>
>>>
>>>I was thinking Idaho would be a nice place to live.  But I remember how it 
>>>was like over there during the winter.  So, here I'll remain in the City by 
>>>the bay.
>>>
>>>
>>>http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/cities-americans-moving-escaping-154840318.html?l=1
>>>
>>
>

[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-11 Thread emptybill

Yep, I actually have a job and have other responsibilities too.
 But I'm with you ... I don't believe in past lives. That's because belief 

 is for those who cannot see directly. 

 

 In the '80's I trained with a group of people in various subtle
 perception techniques. One facet was conducting a reader-observer
 in seeing past-life imprints. The residual effect was that I taught 

 myself how to conduct my conscious mind to see into past lives. 
 

 However, my interest was in learning more about past associations -

 particularly with the small group of 5 people I had spent a lot of time
 with in training. That interest was the result of an intuition that our group 
had significant "associations" in the most immediate past life - and indeed it 
proved to be so. 
 

 We explored, singly and jointly, until the direct experiences engendered by 
"returning" to that past life (both exhilarating and terrifying) became 
unbearable to the other members. However, I continued on my own and even 
conducted other people that I knew and perceived were there/then. 
 

 Thus I no longer believe in past lives. Belief is for those who cannot see
 directly or who cannot endure that seeing itself. 
 

 BTW - this is only unusual in a Western context. 
 

 
 

 

 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 This thread brought out some interesting comments, thanks.
 

 I see that when I challenged "emptybill" on his saying: "It's a job for 
numberless kalpas - not just one life", and I said, "That depends on whether 
you really believe you'll be reincarnated. Do you really believe that? If so, 
on what authority?" he never replied. H.
 

 The trouble is, no one takes seriously the idea that we are "all" at root the 
One Self (or the No-Self - spot the difference). Amuse yourselves for a moment 
by imagining that this idea is true. What follows? If all the apparent "others" 
are really the Self then the idea of reincarnation becomes a perfectly 
comprehensible *metaphor* for the fact that "I" (which "I" is also "you") am 
taking on the roles of all these different individualities. There's no need to 
get caught up in hair-splitting debates about what exactly gets reincarnated 
across different lifetimes. Buddhism is particularly ridiculous in this area - 
how you can argue that the central doctrine of Buddhism is anatta and then talk 
about successive incarnations of this not-self . . . Ugh!
 

 Again: the idea of a Bodhisattva become another perfectly comprehensible 
*metaphor*: to become enlightened - to see that you are that One Self - is to 
see that there are no other sentient beings to "save" - and so you've completed 
your vow! Give yourself a slap on the back.
 

 Isn't the realisation that awareness is continuous and never lost the key? 
Ramana Maharshi taught that there is a gap of a few seconds right when you wake 
up where you can see the I-thought rise up. If the I-thought did not rise up 
each morning, then you would continue to be the Self in the waking state. 
Considered subjectively you are never unconscious. What happens is that (say) 
you are at a party and you suddenly open your eyes to find yourself lying on 
the floor and a friend is scolding you for drinking so much punch. Or, you 
place your head on your pillow at night, battle with ogres in a forest, and 
then hear the alarm telling you it's time to get up. Subjectively the 
experience of consciousness is never broken. You *assume* it is broken because 
(as an example) your wife tells you that you were snoring so much she retreated 
to the sofa and you take her description of what happened (which is true 
subjectively for her, of course) to replace what you yourself actually 
experienced. 
 

 I know this is entering The Twilight Zone but if you decide to always champion 
your own subjective experience of life over any objective description of it 
then the whole Advaita-Vedanta position becomes bleeding obvious. (It could be 
wrong - but it is obvious!)
 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I said; "Do people really talk in those terms? I say he was a selfish 
bastard!" (for not taking the Bodhisattva vow).
 

 Richard said: "Is that the way people over there talk about the Buddha, that 
he was a selfish bastard? LoL!"

 

 People over there?! I always speak for myself alone.
 

 What's your problem? "If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him!" has to be 
the best-known quote in Zen.
 

 The Buddha that you imagine would be offended by either of those comments 
never existed. That's what Buddhism is saying! 
 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 On 11/10/2013 8:53 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:
 
 Do people really talk in those terms? I say he was a selfish bastard! Is that 
the way people over there talk about the Buddha, that he was a selfish bastard? 
LoL!

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Playing Tennis at Midnight

John, there are dream interpretation websites. I googled on dream 
interpretation tennis and got some useful hits. Or you can use the gestalt 
method and view each part of the dream as an aspect of your self.





On Monday, November 11, 2013 9:50 PM, "jr_...@yahoo.com"  
wrote:
 
  
 I just found that he came from a humble background.  But he was able to work 
and become successful through his own merit and efforts.  Here's the Wikipedia 
article about him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Boehner



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


That was the theme of my dream last night.  John Boehner, the Republican, asked 
me to play tennis with him at that odd hour.  And, I said yes.


Does anyone know how to interpret this dream?

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Devastation in the Phillippines

Bhairitu said, "The mucky-mucks probably see these disasters as 'cullings.'". 
My response was (obviously,l I thought) sarcastic.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Ahem, Judy, that's a rather provocative statement to make.  I don't believe 
anyone, politician or not, wants their families and neighbors to die and be 
happy about it.  I believe the Philippines is a victim of fate and 
circumstance.  The good politicians over there are busy in trying to clean the 
country from graft and corruption.  On the other hand, the crooked ones are 
busy making money from the rest of the people.

 So, when a disaster like this happens, the politicians as a whole are at a 
loss on what to do.  The government doesn't have enough money to recover from 
this type of disaster.  In the end, the government ends up waiting for 
international help and assistance to recover.

 Since most of the people there are Catholics, they will find a way to trust in 
Divine Providence to lead the way.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Right, Bhairitu, they're happy to see their people die.

Bhairitu wrote:
 > What they really need to do is figure 
 out cheap ways to help their people survive such storms.  But their 
 > mucky-mucks probably see these disasters as "cullings."

RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

Right, I'm threatened because you stupidly got something I said wrong and can't 
bring yourself to admit it.

 Share, I know you're trying your best, but really...

 Think, honey, think. Don't just blather.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Next step, Judy resorts to ridicule. But why? Why does she feel so threatened? 
And so often? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 (giggle) Poor baby.

Share boo-hooed:
 > I haven't figured it out. I didn't reply to you before because you resorted 
 > to name calling.

 On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:25 PM, "authfriend@..."  wrote:

   So, Share, have you figured out where you made your mistake with "OTOH" in 
response to what I said? No? Or do you just not want to admit it? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Xeno, fyi, I have Hellman's REAL Mayonnaise in my frig, wouldn't use anything 
else for tuna fish salad! As for the quote, MUM Sanskrit professor Dr. Tom 
Egenes shared it with our class during the 91-92 school year when I was taking 
the MA in SCI. It's one of those phrases that stuck with me because it's so 
unexpected, paradoxical, koany, etc.

Some say that maya ruled by tamas guna is a covering, ruled by rajo guma is a 
veil. But maya ruled by sat guna, it actually said to be a ladder to ultimate 
reality. Go figure (-:

 On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:45 PM, "anartaxius@..."  wrote:

   Does anyone here know the source of the quote "My indestructible Maya"? On 
the Internet I find just a small collection of websites, FFL principally, 
mentioning the phrase, but no precise source. Since Share quoted it, I assume 
that she is picking it out of her memory rather than from a source text. I 
recall the phrase, but my feeble aging brain, cannot recall where I read or 
otherwise heard it.

 Is this translated phrase from the Vedas (and which one? Rig, etc.), the 
Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-Gita? (in particular the MMY translation of the 
latter)

 Whether Maya is real or not, it is certainly present here on FFL.

 I have seen this product in refrigerators of meditators, "Vegenaise", a non 
animal derived product purporting to replace mayonnaise. Maybe itshould be 
called Mayannaise instead, except people would probably confuse it with the 
Mayan civilisation of Central America. But then, confusion is the whole purpose 
of Maya. Gotta love this universe for beating us up this way.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Playing Tennis at Midnight

2013-11-11 Thread doctordumbass

I have had a similar dream (though not tennis related), back when Clinton was 
President - It comes from a deep longing for national unity, and the immense 
subconscious power that these national figures, can represent. 

 

 So, who won the tennis match?

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 That was the theme of my dream last night.  John Boehner, the Republican, 
asked me to play tennis with him at that odd hour.  And, I said yes. 

 

 Does anyone know how to interpret this dream?

[FairfieldLife] A Hitler we can all love.

2013-11-11 Thread Duveyoung

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=r5pnox1R_tc 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=r5pnox1R_tc 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=r5pnox1R_tc

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Playing Tennis at Midnight

 Share,
 

 I just did a prasna and found that the Moon is now transiting my natal Moon.  
And Mars is transiting Leo.   In jyotish, the Moon can represent midnight.  And 
Mars can represent a male politician and sports.
 

 We have the main mechanical ingredients here of the dream.  But the meaning is 
still not clear.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 John, there are dream interpretation websites. I googled on dream 
interpretation tennis and got some useful hits. Or you can use the gestalt 
method and view each part of the dream as an aspect of your self.
 

 
 
 On Monday, November 11, 2013 9:50 PM, "jr_esq@..."  wrote:
 
I just found that he came from a humble background.  But he was able to 
work and become successful through his own merit and efforts.  Here's the 
Wikipedia article about him:
 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Boehner 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Boehner

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 That was the theme of my dream last night.  John Boehner, the Republican, 
asked me to play tennis with him at that odd hour.  And, I said yes. 

 

 Does anyone know how to interpret this dream?

[FairfieldLife] RE: Playing Tennis at Midnight

Doc,
 

 As you indicated, the dream may have an element of political concession or 
negotiation.  But playing tennis at midnight is still baffling to me.
 

 We never got to play tennis.  I just said that I can play with him.  Then, the 
dream ended. 
 

 I'll look up the meaning of a tennis game in a dream book filed somewhere in 
my library.  I'll let you guys know the results tomorrow.
 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 I have had a similar dream (though not tennis related), back when Clinton was 
President - It comes from a deep longing for national unity, and the immense 
subconscious power that these national figures, can represent. 

 

 So, who won the tennis match?

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 That was the theme of my dream last night.  John Boehner, the Republican, 
asked me to play tennis with him at that odd hour.  And, I said yes. 

 

 Does anyone know how to interpret this dream?

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission: