Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, one of these days he'll even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one! Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to reply to Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the brink of something called disclosure. We've been here before a few times as I recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, want there to be a reason and for there to be salvation from a higher power, whether it's alien or spiritual. We're talking deep human needs here. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-) It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret. But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. Even testing soil damage and skin burns for alternative causes. People are being scientific about UFO's. But here's the thing you overlook in your quip, I've been interested in UFO's for as long as I remember, I've a got a shelf full of the classic books on the subject. Even the true believer stuff from serious researchers like Timothy Good and the abductionists like Bud Hopkins. I bet I know all the great encounters by heart - Cortile, Ramirez, Roswell, Pascagoula, Ilkley Moor, Rendlesham... I love it but I don't take it at face value. To me, UFO's are folklore in action. The evolving myth of abduction and what they are supposedly doing here are the legends of our time, a new religion, encapsulating our fears about technology and promising us freedom from our destructive ways, yet always remaining remarkably evidence free. There's always a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
Lucid dreaming is the innoscent play of the sub-conscious. That anyone place such importance to this to the extent one would spend time practising Buddhist-dream-yoga is a desperate cry for real knowledge there is in the world today. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : When I have had a lucid dream, with the same caveats - spontaneous, no techniques or anything, uncommon, I always find what is unfolding, so compelling, that it doesn't occur to me to want to change direction, or look at my left foot, or whatever. I am always drawn along, usually pleasantly, by the events I am watching and somehow participating in, and just let it go along. I suppose if I had them often, I might want to explore more about them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience. My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power and others have a more dominant will? Anyone had a similar experience?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
Lucid dreaming is the innoscent play of the sub-conscious. That anyone place such importance to this to the extent one would spend time practising Tibetan-dream-yoga is a desperate cry for real knowledge. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : It's funny when you are having that lucidity in a dream and you look at the characters you are interacting with and think to yourself You people are just a creation of my fancy but said characters don't bat an eyelid and just get on with their roles! My lucid dream last night was also pleasant. And I had the thought that I could awake myself and see my familiar bedroom anytime I wished - which I assume was indeed the case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : When I have had a lucid dream, with the same caveats - spontaneous, no techniques or anything, uncommon, I always find what is unfolding, so compelling, that it doesn't occur to me to want to change direction, or look at my left foot, or whatever. I am always drawn along, usually pleasantly, by the events I am watching and somehow participating in, and just let it go along. I suppose if I had them often, I might want to explore more about them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience. My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power and others have a more dominant will? Anyone had a similar experience?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Willytex can continue to remind people of anything he fuckin' wants...it doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made several *thousand* posts about it. Compare and contrast against the claim made by Nabby several times on this forum that *HE* has levitated, hanging in the air for long periods of time. There is no one on Earth who doesn't find that laughable. :-) As for Curtis, I doubt seriously that he has ever suggested that *perception* is not different in different states of consciousness, only that *reality* probably isn't. Nabby wouldn't make that distinction because quite frankly he doesn't understand the difference. As with his claims to have personally levitated (which he has been unable to provide proof for or find anyone to substantiate), he seems to believe that if he experienced or perceived something, that *is* reality. I suspect that both Curtis and I would agree that anyone who believes this is delusional. Even if you don't bother factoring in the fact that Nabby also believes in little green men whose idea of fun is stomping patterns in fields of wheat to show how advanced and intelligent they are. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, oneof these days he'll even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one!Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to replyto Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. And I don't just meanexplaining things away, to be convincing you have to show thatsomething more realistic happened, more credible and usingexplanations we already understand and are known to happen incertain circumstances. - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin,I love your last paragraph: folklore in action;techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As forme, I believe there is life somewhere else inthe vast universe. And I think they are morehighly advanced than us and maybe here with us.And I think it's great. Wecan believe what we like. I have no opinion onintelligent life elsewhere, we don't know thevariables that allow for it to develop. Wecould be unique or the universe could beteeming or maybe there's just one or two pergalaxy over it's entire history. But thechances of there being other humanoidsvisiting Earth at the just same time as we'veunderstood where we are cosmically? It beggarsbelief. Alien craft is the least likelyexplanation for UFO's. But I hope it'strue. But atthat point, I'm more like turq. It doesn'treally impact my life one way or the other.Either way, what is the action step? (-: Idon't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolvingmyth. We are apparently on the brink ofsomething called disclosure. We've been herebefore a few times as I recall, it neveramounts to much but it's fun watching the TB'sget excited that their favourite daydream isto be officially confirmed. Butit won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreyawon't appear. It's the way of things. Theconnection between the two is that people wantthere to be more, want there to be a reasonand for there to be salvation from a higherpower, whether it's alien or spiritual. We'retalking deep human needs here. From:salyavin808no_re...@yahoogroups.com To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM Subject:[FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it onthe table: UFOs ---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com,no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote : Saldoesn't like UFO's becausethey aren't scientific :-) It's an interestingpoint Nabs. The thing isone can only getscientific about somethingif it is available tostudy, UFO's are sofleeting and ephemeralthat there really isn'tanything to study otherthan hearsay orsuspiciously absent filmtaken by higher powers tokeep the whole thingsecret. But a great manypeople have studied whatthey can about UFOsightings, and done itwith as much rigour as youcan with such a paucity ofhard evidence. I'm notsure there is an encounterthat hasn't got a betterexplanation that doesn'tinvolve us
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
Lucid dreaming is the innoscent play of the sub-conscious. That anyone place
such importance to this to the extent one would spend time practising
Buddhist-dream-yoga is a desperate cry for real knowledge there is in the
world today.
Translation: Maharishi didn't know how to teach this and I've never experienced
it, therefore it has no value.
insert appropriate stomping of feet, shouting, and other forms of Tantrum Yoga
here :-)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
When I have had a lucid dream, with the same caveats - spontaneous, no
techniques or anything, uncommon, I always find what is unfolding, so
compelling, that it doesn't occur to me to want to change direction, or look at
my left foot, or whatever. I am always drawn along, usually pleasantly, by the
events I am watching and somehow participating in, and just let it go along. I
suppose if I had them often, I might want to explore more about them.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few
times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the
techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it
was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which
included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you
can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about
the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into
the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state.
Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit
yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on
a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever
floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed
dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left
the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience.
My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your
whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are
like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power
and others have a more dominant will?
Anyone had a similar experience?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
I experience lucid dreaming almost every night, it's just fun, no big deal. That anyone place any importance to this whatsoever just shows how desperate they are for knowledge. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Lucid dreaming is the innoscent play of the sub-conscious. That anyone place such importance to this to the extent one would spend time practising Buddhist-dream-yoga is a desperate cry for real knowledge there is in the world today. Translation: Maharishi didn't know how to teach this and I've never experienced it, therefore it has no value. insert appropriate stomping of feet, shouting, and other forms of Tantrum Yoga here :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : When I have had a lucid dream, with the same caveats - spontaneous, no techniques or anything, uncommon, I always find what is unfolding, so compelling, that it doesn't occur to me to want to change direction, or look at my left foot, or whatever. I am always drawn along, usually pleasantly, by the events I am watching and somehow participating in, and just let it go along. I suppose if I had them often, I might want to explore more about them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience. My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power and others have a more dominant will? Anyone had a similar experience?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Seems Richard has managed to push the buttons of the Turq big-time, no matter how much he claims never to read any of his posts :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Willytex can continue to remind people of anything he fuckin' wants...it doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made several *thousand* posts about it. Compare and contrast against the claim made by Nabby several times on this forum that *HE* has levitated, hanging in the air for long periods of time. There is no one on Earth who doesn't find that laughable. :-) As for Curtis, I doubt seriously that he has ever suggested that *perception* is not different in different states of consciousness, only that *reality* probably isn't. Nabby wouldn't make that distinction because quite frankly he doesn't understand the difference. As with his claims to have personally levitated (which he has been unable to provide proof for or find anyone to substantiate), he seems to believe that if he experienced or perceived something, that *is* reality. I suspect that both Curtis and I would agree that anyone who believes this is delusional. Even if you don't bother factoring in the fact that Nabby also believes in little green men whose idea of fun is stomping patterns in fields of wheat to show how advanced and intelligent they are. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, one of these days he'll even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one! Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to reply to Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the brink of something called disclosure. We've been here before a few times as I recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, want there to be a reason and for there to be salvation from a higher power, whether it's alien or spiritual. We're talking deep human needs here. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] North Carolina Accent
No, but most of my mother's family does. They are North Carolina people. Good
find.
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Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] North Carolina Accent
Hey MJ,
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Seems Richard has managed to push the buttons of the Turq big-time, no matter how much he claims never to read any of his posts :-) I'll bet my Sunday lunch that the only reason Turq saw that comment by Willytex is because you commented on it. It's the only reason I saw it too. Man, I'd hate to spend so much time online and to discover I'd been so ineffective for so many years... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Willytex can continue to remind people of anything he fuckin' wants...it doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made several *thousand* posts about it. Compare and contrast against the claim made by Nabby several times on this forum that *HE* has levitated, hanging in the air for long periods of time. There is no one on Earth who doesn't find that laughable. :-) As for Curtis, I doubt seriously that he has ever suggested that *perception* is not different in different states of consciousness, only that *reality* probably isn't. Nabby wouldn't make that distinction because quite frankly he doesn't understand the difference. As with his claims to have personally levitated (which he has been unable to provide proof for or find anyone to substantiate), he seems to believe that if he experienced or perceived something, that *is* reality. I suspect that both Curtis and I would agree that anyone who believes this is delusional. Even if you don't bother factoring in the fact that Nabby also believes in little green men whose idea of fun is stomping patterns in fields of wheat to show how advanced and intelligent they are. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, one of these days he'll even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one! Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to reply to Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the brink of something called disclosure. We've been here before a few times as I recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, want there to be a reason and for there to be salvation from a higher power, whether it's alien or spiritual. We're talking deep human needs here. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
The ultimate goal in Tibetan dream yoga is to “apprehend the dream” (attain
conscious awareness) then dissolve the dream state. When you are deprived of
physical stimulus (from the sleeping body) and conceptual stimulus (from the
dreaming mind), you can observe the purest form of conscious awareness.
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 7:19 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
Lucid dreaming is the innoscent play of the sub-conscious. That anyone place
such importance to this to the extent one would spend time practising
Tibetan-dream-yoga is a desperate cry for real knowledge.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
It's funny when you are having that lucidity in a dream and you look at the
characters you are interacting with and think to yourself You people are just
a creation of my fancy but said characters don't bat an eyelid and just get on
with their roles!
My lucid dream last night was also pleasant. And I had the thought that I could
awake myself and see my familiar bedroom anytime I wished - which I assume was
indeed the case.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
When I have had a lucid dream, with the same caveats - spontaneous, no
techniques or anything, uncommon, I always find what is unfolding, so
compelling, that it doesn't occur to me to want to change direction, or look at
my left foot, or whatever. I am always drawn along, usually pleasantly, by the
events I am watching and somehow participating in, and just let it go along. I
suppose if I had them often, I might want to explore more about them.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few
times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the
techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it
was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which
included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you
can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about
the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into
the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state.
Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit
yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on
a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever
floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed
dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left
the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience.
My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your
whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are
like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power
and others have a more dominant will?
Anyone had a similar experience?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Seems Richard has managed to push the buttons of the Turq big-time, no matter how much he claims never to read any of his posts :-) I'll bet my Sunday lunch that the only reason Turq saw that comment by Willytex is because you commented on it. Your Sunday lunch is safe. I haven't read a post made by Richard Williams in months. Life is too short to waste it on psychotics. I still read Nabby's posts because he's merely an entertainingly neurotic blissninny, and occasionally I need a laugh. :-) It's the only reason I saw it too. Man, I'd hate to spend so much time online and to discover I'd been so ineffective for so many years... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Willytex can continue to remind people of anything he fuckin' wants...it doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made several *thousand* posts about it. Compare and contrast against the claim made by Nabby several times on this forum that *HE* has levitated, hanging in the air for long periods of time. There is no one on Earth who doesn't find that laughable. :-) As for Curtis, I doubt seriously that he has ever suggested that *perception* is not different in different states of consciousness, only that *reality* probably isn't. Nabby wouldn't make that distinction because quite frankly he doesn't understand the difference. As with his claims to have personally levitated (which he has been unable to provide proof for or find anyone to substantiate), he seems to believe that if he experienced or perceived something, that *is* reality. I suspect that both Curtis and I would agree that anyone who believes this is delusional. Even if you don't bother factoring in the fact that Nabby also believes in little green men whose idea of fun is stomping patterns in fields of wheat to show how advanced and intelligent they are. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, oneof these days he'll even retract his extremely sillyjudgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one!Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to replyto Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. And I don't just meanexplaining things away, to be convincing you have to show thatsomething more realistic happened, more credible and usingexplanations we already understand and are known to happen incertain circumstances. - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin,I love your last paragraph: folklore in action;techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As forme, I believe there is life somewhere else inthe vast universe. And I think they are morehighly advanced than us and maybe here with us.And I think it's great. Wecan believe what we like. I have no opinion onintelligent life elsewhere, we don't know thevariables that allow for it to develop. Wecould be unique or the universe could beteeming or maybe there's just one or two pergalaxy over it's entire history. But thechances of there being other humanoidsvisiting Earth at the just same time as we'veunderstood where we are cosmically? It beggarsbelief. Alien craft is the least likelyexplanation for UFO's. But I hope it'strue. But atthat point, I'm more like turq. It doesn'treally impact my life one way or the other.Either way, what is the action step? (-: Idon't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolvingmyth. We are apparently on the brink ofsomething called disclosure. We've been herebefore a few times as I recall, it neveramounts to much but it's fun watching the TB'sget excited that their favourite daydream isto be officially confirmed. Butit won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreyawon't appear. It's the way of things. Theconnection between the two is that people wantthere to be more, want there to be a reasonand for there to be salvation from a higherpower, whether it's alien or spiritual. We'retalking deep human needs here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
Again, what am I missing? A large part of Barry's content here, is reminding, (okay, usually yelling at) people, that their subjective experiences don't mean anything. They are just their own, subjective experiences. And most people accept that. Or at least the part that they are their own subjective experiences. So, when Jim reports his experiences, I think they're pretty cool. But they are his experiences. So, according to Barry, we should be fawning over them? That would be a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine Barry, we are following the game plan. It's all good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Game, set, and match again, Curtis. Mr. Angry Little Enlightened Man has a history of doing stuff like this. Remember not long ago when he claimed that he wasn't stalking me on the Internet and then tried to prove it by finding a photo of me that he could only have found by stalking me on the Internet and posted it? What an ass clown. The only thing one needs to remember about Jim Flanegin to put him into perspective is that after all this time claiming to be enlightened (how long has be been doing it now...ten years?), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his claims. Not one. That's pretty pathetic, if only on the level of complete lack of charisma. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Did you just call a stranger on the internet a poopy pants? That is adorable. Who's my angry little man? You are, goochi goochi goo. Where's that smile. Come on, where is that smile Mr. Frowny Pants. There it is! I see it now. Smile for the bad, bad man whose words make you feel this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded, back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited, and unsuccessful, jerk. This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has convinced asshole Curtis, that it is. So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't be bad boys and girls. I am not sure what you mean by entertaining evil? Serving it drinks? After a few bourbons evil always gets grab-assy. I guess indulging in evil is doing evil things which is kind of obvious. Of course the people likely to hear and heed such a warning are not likely to be evil doers in the first place. The value of it is kinda thin practically speaking. And I am not sure what you mean by speaking evil. Buck is using it to mean anyone who states his disagreement with Maharishi's teaching, so I am not sure what standard is being invoked here. I think it is nicer to not be a dick to people, but that is more my preference from my upbringing than anything else. The reason people gossip is to check their social values allignement with other people in their tribe. It has a value which is why it is so popular. But it doesn't have anything to do with my discussions here. I am not gossiping about Maharishi when I present my POV on him and his teaching. What the phrase see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil implies is to put your head in the sand and ignore evil. This is Maharishi's teaching about how to deal with people like me who disagree with his philosophy. Buck is violating Maharishi's rule about ignoring people who don't play along with the assumptions of the movement. In the movement people like me are demonized as being evil when we speak up about our POV. It is a cult move to protect the beliefs. But this principle gets very tricky when you deal outside the closed belief system
[FairfieldLife] Accents, was North Carolina Accent
On 11/16/2014 6:45 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: No, but most of my mother's family does. They are North Carolina people. Good find. /Most people in South Carolina speak with a southern drawl - except when they are eating spicy fried chicken./ /http://youtu.be/DhR6MJWgFdk/ *From:* jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:14 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] North Carolina Accent Hey MJ, You talk like these guys? Southern Accent, North Carolina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAqm5ls8Ep8 image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAqm5ls8Ep8 Southern Accent, North Carolina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAqm5ls8Ep8 Just a little taste of the way us north carolinians talk. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAqm5ls8Ep8 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed
/The people have voted. My prediction is that the Democratic Party will lose the next presidential election because Obama failed on the economy - people are out of work and the people that have jobs can't save or get ahead. If Obama lets in five million more jobless immigrants and puts them on welfare, at the taxpayers expense, that's going to make a lot of Americans really angry. The Center for Immigration Studies found that under Obama two-thirds of jobs went to immigrants, both legal and illegal. Throw in a massive illegal alien amnesty and the rush of illegal aliens into the country will turn the employment figures of every city into Detroit and Chicago. http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb/ On 11/15/2014 8:12 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means their parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to join them here. Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will then come. We might as well annex Central America. They will be given social security cards and green cards and have all access to every social program including Obama care( remember the congressman calling Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?) Black, teen and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise as will the cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already being stretched beyond their budgets to make accommodations, including cutting out sports teams, bands etc. On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Leave's out buy American assets for pennies on the dollar. Kos is apparently not liberal enough or not too smart about economics. Randi Rhodes (now retired) used point that out all the time and I've been saying it for years. Maybe it sounds too conspiratorial. /Non sequitur. It's all about the economy and whether or not you have a job and a 401k. //The US does not have a shortage of workers. It has a shortage of jobs - that's the important issue - the people have spoken. The irresponsible immigration policy has created a surplus of workers. Illegal alien amnesty will make that surplus much worse. Legalize twelve million illegal aliens and another twelve million will come.// // //http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb/ On 11/15/2014 12:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com mailto:turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */And it only takes up the top right corner of this cartoon from Daily Kos:/* http://images.dailykos.com/images/115495/lightbox/11-9-strip-KOS.png?1415654345
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
On 11/15/2014 3:25 PM, Share Long wrote: As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: /The idea that human beings are a slave race, forced to work inside a human body, owned and operated by an alien or extraterrestrial society, is not new. This was mentioned in the Sumerian and Judaic literature. If true, this impacts our life in every way, every single day: we in fact have no free will, we are all ///working on a fruit farm for nothing/. Our day off will be when we die. But even then, according to Barry, we will have to spend a few more days in the Tibetan Bardo, in order to be reborn on another farm. Read more: /*/Alien Agenda/*/ //by Jim Marrs // //Harper, 2000/ *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-) It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret. But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. Even testing soil damage and skin burns for alternative causes. People are being scientific about UFO's. But here's the thing you overlook in your quip, I've been interested in UFO's for as long as I remember, I've a got a shelf full of the classic books on the subject. Even the true believer stuff from serious researchers like Timothy Good and the abductionists like Bud Hopkins. I bet I know all the great encounters by heart - Cortile, Ramirez, Roswell, Pascagoula, Ilkley Moor, Rendlesham... I love it but I don't take it at face value. To me, UFO's are folklore in action. The evolving myth of abduction and what they are supposedly doing here are the legends of our time, a new religion, encapsulating our fears about technology and promising us freedom from our destructive ways, yet always remaining remarkably evidence free. There's always a new vision to add to the mythos but conveniently never any hard evidence to help decide one way or the other. And the longer that scenario goes on the more convinced any casual observer should be that we are kidding ourselves, because deep down we like ghost stories and that's really what they are. Something scary always just out of reach. Techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. Former Astronaut Explains The UFO Cover-Up 2013 1080p HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI Former Astronaut Explains The UFO Cover-Up 2013 ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI Edgar Dean Mitchell, Sc.D. is an American pilot, retired Captain in the United States Navy and NASA astronaut. As the lunar module pilot of Apollo 14, ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I didn't really read what sal has written below, but I think the gist of it is, that he doesn't like the person who coined the word flying saucer Is that what his dissertation is about this time? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There is not one astronaut who has NOT reported seeing UFO's, sometimes huge and in large nubers, back to NASA and/or their families. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If Gordon is not crazy, then the American government is purposefully, mindfully, ABSOLUTELY evil. If there are aliens visiting us and we're not being told -- it robs every person on Earth. EVERY PERSON ON EARTH. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone ever could possibly be who we are now if we knew that UFOs are real. IT. WOULD. CHANGE. EVERYTHING. And that's why it might be
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query
On 11/15/2014 5:22 PM, s3raphita wrote: So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience. My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power and others have a more dominant will? /The trick is to practice a Laya Yoga technique we learned from Satyanand: // // //When you are ready for sleep you just sit up in bed and then let your bija mantra rest at the heart chakra for a few minutes. That way, the subtle currents from your Istadevata will permeate your entire being while you sleep. For example, my Istadevata is Saraswati, the Goddess of Learning, so by resting the bija portion of her mantra at the heart chakra, my intelligence will grow by leaps and bounds, right while I'm sleeping. Then, when you awaken in the morning you will feel refreshed and full of energy and knowledge. It's that simple!/ Anyone had a similar experience? /Yes. A lucid dream is a dream in which the sleeper is aware that he or she is dreaming. From what I've read, the phenomenon of lucid dreaming has been well established by scientific research, so its existence is well established. /
[FairfieldLife] Re: an evening cloud palace
Yes, my thought too! I enjoy being an action photographer, in nature. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : This photo of yours reminds me very much of a Chinese painting and the clouds look like mountains.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
On 11/16/2014 6:57 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The ultimate goal in Tibetan dream yoga is to “apprehend the dream” (attain conscious awareness) then dissolve the dream state. When you are deprived of physical stimulus (from the sleeping body) and conceptual stimulus (from the dreaming mind), you can observe the purest form of conscious awareness. In /Tibetan Dream Yoga/, maintaining full consciousness while in the dream state is part of /Dzogchen/ training. This is described by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche as /'Rigpa Awareness', /which is very similar to /'witnessing sleep'/ in TM. A process that helps the individual understand the unreality of waking consciousness as phenomena. *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2014 7:19 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query Lucid dreaming is the innoscent play of the sub-conscious. That anyone place such importance to this to the extent one would spend time practising Tibetan-dream-yoga is a desperate cry for real knowledge. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : It's funny when you are having that lucidity in a dream and you look at the characters you are interacting with and think to yourself You people are just a creation of my fancy but said characters don't bat an eyelid and just get on with their roles! My lucid dream last night was also pleasant. And I had the thought that I could awake myself and see my familiar bedroom anytime I wished - which I assume was indeed the case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : When I have had a lucid dream, with the same caveats - spontaneous, no techniques or anything, uncommon, I always find what is unfolding, so compelling, that it doesn't occur to me to want to change direction, or look at my left foot, or whatever. I am always drawn along, usually pleasantly, by the events I am watching and somehow participating in, and just let it go along. I suppose if I had them often, I might want to explore more about them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience. My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power and others have a more dominant will? Anyone had a similar experience?
[FairfieldLife] Re: mind melding
Good points about horses being prey animals and getting skittish around those who don't know what they are doing. I was an excellent and natural horseman when I was really little (7 to 9 years old). Then I grew up, realized what I was doing, and lost my confidence with the horses. Frowny face. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : When I wrote figuratively: You can almost sense their [a horse's] sneer it is probably more accurate to write They [horses] can smell your fear. I don't know what scientific research has been put into the facts behind common expressions like that but I feel sure horses can pick up on cues given off by our nervousness. It's as if it's beneath their dignity to allow themselves to be mastered by anyone but a natural-born master or mistress. Horses can simply see when a person moves in an unnatural way around them. They are honed to recognize strangeness or trepidation. They, like any prey animal, are hard wired to detect fear in another and that makes them fearful, it does not make them aggressive. Dogs would be more likely to start stalking a person that shows fear but horses simply become unsure and when they are in a situation where there are no clear boundaries they want to create them so they start to take over. But it isn't an aggressive or mean-spirited. Horses live in a herd, there is a hierarchy and if you are proving yourself a greenhorn then you're at the bottom of the pack - simple as that! It sounds like you should have been born into the world of the Houyhnhnms described in Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels. Houyhnhnms are a race of intelligent horses whose calm, rational, utopian society is compared favourably to our dismal lot. Heh. Well, if I believed in reincarnation, and I am pretty sure that I do, then I would hazard to say I was a horse or horses at some point. They are ingrained in me. It doesn't mean I am a great horsewoman, I am not particularly, but I feel them and love them and have tremendous empathy for them in all sorts of ways. I can also reprimand them when I need to - no mood making there - but they are special and iconic for a reason. They represent so much. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : I'm sure horses can tell a novice at first glance. You can almost sense their sneer. My only goes at horse-riding were as an adolescent and the horses always completely ignored my requests and goads. If a horse I was on wanted to stop and munch away at a hedge then that was what it would do. My instructor would have to come to my aid to get the damned beast (sorry - charming animal) keep up with the rest of the riders. BTW, thanks for your amusing story of your short-lived riding career. I can't tell you how many times I have watched people in your situation and completely understand. You either come out of the womb loving it and if you didn't then forget about it. Riding is not really an acquired taste. Horses are also damned scary - they're a lot bigger than you imagine when you watch a cowboy movie and don't suffer fools gladly. Still, astonishingly beautiful and graceful creatures for all that. On a side issue: as race-horse jockeys are specifically chosen because they weigh so little why aren't women (or even girl) riders preferred over men for events where serious amounts of money are changing hands? From your recent posts I get the strong impression you prefer animals to humans! Is that (understandably) a correct impression?
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed
The dude who started it was Reagan, granting amnesty to 25 million illegals. Funny that now everyone sees it as a Democratic strategy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means their parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to join them here. Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will then come. We might as well annex Central America. They will be given social security cards and green cards and have all access to every social program including Obama care( remember the congressman calling Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?) Black, teen and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise as will the cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already being stretched beyond their budgets to make accommodations, including cutting out sports teams, bands etc. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Leave's out buy American assets for pennies on the dollar. Kos is apparently not liberal enough or not too smart about economics. Randi Rhodes (now retired) used point that out all the time and I've been saying it for years. Maybe it sounds too conspiratorial. Non sequitur. It's all about the economy and whether or not you have a job and a 401k. The US does not have a shortage of workers. It has a shortage of jobs - that's the important issue - the people have spoken. The irresponsible immigration policy has created a surplus of workers. Illegal alien amnesty will make that surplus much worse. Legalize twelve million illegal aliens and another twelve million will come. http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb On 11/15/2014 12:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: And it only takes up the top right corner of this cartoon from Daily Kos:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I experience lucid dreaming almost every night, it's just fun, no big deal. That anyone place any importance to this whatsoever just shows how desperate they are for knowledge. I'd have to agree about the lucid dreaming's lack of importance. It just simply is something that happens to me all the time since I am a voracious dreamer and always have been. I feel fortunate because it simply means I have 24 hour life experience to draw on and plus, it is fun to play around with your dreams and see how it feels to fly and die and all sorts of kundalini type stuff can happen when you put your mind to it. But I never knew this had an actual name or was something people practiced. Everyone dreams and everyone thinks so have fun with your dreams and forget the idea of lucidity. I don't think because you realize you are dreaming and can change stuff in your dreams that you have any special awareness or ability.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Further to Curtis' question
Very informative article - I am aware of this elevated fear response with the deer, too, and am trying to slowly teach them that I can be trusted. The doe is hyper sensitive to movement and sound, especially when something like a camera is pointed her way. No doubt with the hunters around, the deer have been taught by example, to stay away from people. I notice that the fawns mimic mom's every move, and so learn the same 'values'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Not sure if you meant Curtis or me here as your link also covers the topic I raised. Whatever . . . I've seen Temple Grandin featured before on documentaries and she is quite extraordinary. The idea of listening to and taking seriously what autistic (and other personality types operating on the margins of the normal) men and women make of our shared world has to be a positive development. It's like being given a new scientific instrument that opens up a whole new vista. Both of you but Curtis had just started the thread with a question but it is for you too if you find it interesting and relevant. And yes, a new instrument possibly capable of different perception that isn't on the order of psychic or those who sell themselves as animal communicators. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : I just found this and thought you could give it a skim. It answers your question probably better than I did. http://horseandrider.com/article/whats-your-horse-thinking-13295 http://horseandrider.com/article/whats-your-horse-thinking-13295
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/16/2014 1:08 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Game, set, and match again, Curtis. Mr. Angry Little Enlightened Man has a history of doing stuff like this. Barry is mistaken: Curtis has made no Enlightened Man claims and he does not have a history of doing this on FFL or A.M.T. In fact, Barry has a long history of making enlightenment claims: Remember not long ago when he claimed that he wasn't stalking me on the Internet and then tried to prove it by finding a photo of me that he could only have found by stalking me on the Internet and posted it? What an ass clown. Barry is sounding very paranoid. When he posts a public profile photo of his face on Facebook and sends out friend invites, it's not considered stalking if anyone accesses his page to see what his face looks like. The only thing one needs to remember about Jim Flanegin to put him into perspective is that after all this time claiming to be enlightened (how long has be been doing it now...ten years?), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his claims. Not one. That's pretty pathetic, if only on the level of complete lack of charisma. The only thing one needs to remember about Barry Wright, to put him into perspective, is that after all this time claiming enlightenment experiences, (nineteen years), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his subjective experiences. They have continued ever since, from the time I walked away from TM until the present, lasting anywhere from hours to days to weeks to months. - TurquoiseB What's pathetic is that after all this time Barry cannot produce even a single person who believes that Fred Lenz slowly lifted up off of a sofa at Denny's in downtown L.A. You are correct, Mr Lenz, the dog killer and tormentor never lifted off a single thing in his life. The man was a psychotic uber narcissist who didn't deserve one minute of fame but deserves a whole shwack of infamy.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
That is cool -- I don't enjoy the experience of sleeping or dreaming, as much as I do being active. If I could just remain active 24x7, that would be my preference. My attitude often when I become aware of a dream, is, Oh God, let's get it done with, so I can finish the sleep thing, and wake up soon! Good Morning!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I experience lucid dreaming almost every night, it's just fun, no big deal. That anyone place any importance to this whatsoever just shows how desperate they are for knowledge. I'd have to agree about the lucid dreaming's lack of importance. It just simply is something that happens to me all the time since I am a voracious dreamer and always have been. I feel fortunate because it simply means I have 24 hour life experience to draw on and plus, it is fun to play around with your dreams and see how it feels to fly and die and all sorts of kundalini type stuff can happen when you put your mind to it. But I never knew this had an actual name or was something people practiced. Everyone dreams and everyone thinks so have fun with your dreams and forget the idea of lucidity. I don't think because you realize you are dreaming and can change stuff in your dreams that you have any special awareness or ability.
[FairfieldLife] Re: mind melding
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Good points about horses being prey animals and getting skittish around those who don't know what they are doing. I was an excellent and natural horseman when I was really little (7 to 9 years old). Then I grew up, realized what I was doing, and lost my confidence with the horses. Frowny face. I guess innocence produces a naturalness that, once you realized horses were dangerous and that you could be hurt around them (or was that it?), the innocence leaves and you realize too much of what could happen and that somehow stilted your behaviour around them. Then, of course, it becomes a vicious circle. Man feels unsure, horses feel unsure around man, horses become suspicious and skittish, man becomes suspicious and skittish and before you know it you buy a dog and forget the horses. LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : When I wrote figuratively: You can almost sense their [a horse's] sneer it is probably more accurate to write They [horses] can smell your fear. I don't know what scientific research has been put into the facts behind common expressions like that but I feel sure horses can pick up on cues given off by our nervousness. It's as if it's beneath their dignity to allow themselves to be mastered by anyone but a natural-born master or mistress. Horses can simply see when a person moves in an unnatural way around them. They are honed to recognize strangeness or trepidation. They, like any prey animal, are hard wired to detect fear in another and that makes them fearful, it does not make them aggressive. Dogs would be more likely to start stalking a person that shows fear but horses simply become unsure and when they are in a situation where there are no clear boundaries they want to create them so they start to take over. But it isn't an aggressive or mean-spirited. Horses live in a herd, there is a hierarchy and if you are proving yourself a greenhorn then you're at the bottom of the pack - simple as that! It sounds like you should have been born into the world of the Houyhnhnms described in Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels. Houyhnhnms are a race of intelligent horses whose calm, rational, utopian society is compared favourably to our dismal lot. Heh. Well, if I believed in reincarnation, and I am pretty sure that I do, then I would hazard to say I was a horse or horses at some point. They are ingrained in me. It doesn't mean I am a great horsewoman, I am not particularly, but I feel them and love them and have tremendous empathy for them in all sorts of ways. I can also reprimand them when I need to - no mood making there - but they are special and iconic for a reason. They represent so much. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : I'm sure horses can tell a novice at first glance. You can almost sense their sneer. My only goes at horse-riding were as an adolescent and the horses always completely ignored my requests and goads. If a horse I was on wanted to stop and munch away at a hedge then that was what it would do. My instructor would have to come to my aid to get the damned beast (sorry - charming animal) keep up with the rest of the riders. BTW, thanks for your amusing story of your short-lived riding career. I can't tell you how many times I have watched people in your situation and completely understand. You either come out of the womb loving it and if you didn't then forget about it. Riding is not really an acquired taste. Horses are also damned scary - they're a lot bigger than you imagine when you watch a cowboy movie and don't suffer fools gladly. Still, astonishingly beautiful and graceful creatures for all that. On a side issue: as race-horse jockeys are specifically chosen because they weigh so little why aren't women (or even girl) riders preferred over men for events where serious amounts of money are changing hands? From your recent posts I get the strong impression you prefer animals to humans! Is that (understandably) a correct impression?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
...a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine - LOL - yes, he is quite the cranky old fundamentalist, isn't he? Glad you enjoy reading my experiences, Steve, and yes, they are mine...subjectively, and objectively. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Again, what am I missing? A large part of Barry's content here, is reminding, (okay, usually yelling at) people, that their subjective experiences don't mean anything. They are just their own, subjective experiences. And most people accept that. Or at least the part that they are their own subjective experiences. So, when Jim reports his experiences, I think they're pretty cool. But they are his experiences. So, according to Barry, we should be fawning over them? That would be a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine Barry, we are following the game plan. It's all good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Game, set, and match again, Curtis. Mr. Angry Little Enlightened Man has a history of doing stuff like this. Remember not long ago when he claimed that he wasn't stalking me on the Internet and then tried to prove it by finding a photo of me that he could only have found by stalking me on the Internet and posted it? What an ass clown. The only thing one needs to remember about Jim Flanegin to put him into perspective is that after all this time claiming to be enlightened (how long has be been doing it now...ten years?), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his claims. Not one. That's pretty pathetic, if only on the level of complete lack of charisma. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Did you just call a stranger on the internet a poopy pants? That is adorable. Who's my angry little man? You are, goochi goochi goo. Where's that smile. Come on, where is that smile Mr. Frowny Pants. There it is! I see it now. Smile for the bad, bad man whose words make you feel this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded, back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited, and unsuccessful, jerk. This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has convinced asshole Curtis, that it is. So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't be bad boys and girls. I am not sure what you mean by entertaining evil? Serving it drinks? After a few bourbons evil always gets grab-assy. I guess indulging in evil is doing evil things which is kind of obvious. Of course the people likely to hear and heed such a warning are not likely to be evil doers in the first place. The value of it is kinda thin practically speaking. And I am not sure what you mean by speaking evil. Buck is using it to mean anyone who states his disagreement with Maharishi's teaching, so I am not sure what standard is being invoked here. I think it is nicer to not be a dick to people, but that is more my preference from my upbringing than anything else. The reason people gossip is to check their social values allignement with other people in their tribe. It has a value which is why it is so popular. But it doesn't have anything to do with my discussions here. I am not gossiping about Maharishi when I present my POV on him and his teaching. What the phrase see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil implies is to put your head in the sand and ignore evil. This is Maharishi's teaching about how to deal with people like me who disagree with his philosophy. Buck is violating Maharishi's rule about ignoring people
[FairfieldLife] Re: mind melding
Pretty much the way it was - I grew up, and saw how big and strong they were. I have lost that apprehension, but haven't explored riding for a long while at this point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Good points about horses being prey animals and getting skittish around those who don't know what they are doing. I was an excellent and natural horseman when I was really little (7 to 9 years old). Then I grew up, realized what I was doing, and lost my confidence with the horses. Frowny face. I guess innocence produces a naturalness that, once you realized horses were dangerous and that you could be hurt around them (or was that it?), the innocence leaves and you realize too much of what could happen and that somehow stilted your behaviour around them. Then, of course, it becomes a vicious circle. Man feels unsure, horses feel unsure around man, horses become suspicious and skittish, man becomes suspicious and skittish and before you know it you buy a dog and forget the horses. LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : When I wrote figuratively: You can almost sense their [a horse's] sneer it is probably more accurate to write They [horses] can smell your fear. I don't know what scientific research has been put into the facts behind common expressions like that but I feel sure horses can pick up on cues given off by our nervousness. It's as if it's beneath their dignity to allow themselves to be mastered by anyone but a natural-born master or mistress. Horses can simply see when a person moves in an unnatural way around them. They are honed to recognize strangeness or trepidation. They, like any prey animal, are hard wired to detect fear in another and that makes them fearful, it does not make them aggressive. Dogs would be more likely to start stalking a person that shows fear but horses simply become unsure and when they are in a situation where there are no clear boundaries they want to create them so they start to take over. But it isn't an aggressive or mean-spirited. Horses live in a herd, there is a hierarchy and if you are proving yourself a greenhorn then you're at the bottom of the pack - simple as that! It sounds like you should have been born into the world of the Houyhnhnms described in Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels. Houyhnhnms are a race of intelligent horses whose calm, rational, utopian society is compared favourably to our dismal lot. Heh. Well, if I believed in reincarnation, and I am pretty sure that I do, then I would hazard to say I was a horse or horses at some point. They are ingrained in me. It doesn't mean I am a great horsewoman, I am not particularly, but I feel them and love them and have tremendous empathy for them in all sorts of ways. I can also reprimand them when I need to - no mood making there - but they are special and iconic for a reason. They represent so much. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : I'm sure horses can tell a novice at first glance. You can almost sense their sneer. My only goes at horse-riding were as an adolescent and the horses always completely ignored my requests and goads. If a horse I was on wanted to stop and munch away at a hedge then that was what it would do. My instructor would have to come to my aid to get the damned beast (sorry - charming animal) keep up with the rest of the riders. BTW, thanks for your amusing story of your short-lived riding career. I can't tell you how many times I have watched people in your situation and completely understand. You either come out of the womb loving it and if you didn't then forget about it. Riding is not really an acquired taste. Horses are also damned scary - they're a lot bigger than you imagine when you watch a cowboy movie and don't suffer fools gladly. Still, astonishingly beautiful and graceful creatures for all that. On a side issue: as race-horse jockeys are specifically chosen because they weigh so little why aren't women (or even girl) riders preferred over men for events where serious amounts of money are changing hands? From your recent posts I get the strong impression you prefer animals to humans! Is that (understandably) a correct impression?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : That is cool -- I don't enjoy the experience of sleeping or dreaming, as much as I do being active. If I could just remain active 24x7, that would be my preference. My attitude often when I become aware of a dream, is, Oh God, let's get it done with, so I can finish the sleep thing, and wake up soon! Good Morning!! HA! I can relate but the dreaming for me is like a licence to do all sorts of things I don't have access to in waking life and there are just such interesting things that happen in dreams. (Interesting only to the dreamer, there is nothing more boring than listening to other people's dreams.) So I like to dream but, as you know, I also love activity that's why I am such a poor candidate for meditation. ;-) PS just a comment on the deer. You might not want to get them to trust you too much. It could mean a death sentence for them later. Not everyone is as safe as you are and they might pull a gun instead of a camera.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Richard, thanks for posting this. I didn't know that such ideas were found in some ancient literature. And if it is true about our being enslaved, etc. again my question is: what is the action step? And by action step I'm including thoughts and feelings. IOW, whether you are a slave or not, how do you choose right here and now, to think and feel? From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs On 11/15/2014 3:25 PM, Share Long wrote: As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: The idea that human beings are a slave race, forced to work inside a human body, owned and operated by an alien or extraterrestrial society, is not new. This was mentioned in the Sumerian and Judaic literature. If true, this impacts our life in every way, every single day: we in fact have no free will, we are all working on a fruit farm for nothing. Our day off will be when we die. But even then, according to Barry, we will have to spend a few more days in the Tibetan Bardo, in order to be reborn on another farm. Read more: Alien Agenda by Jim Marrs Harper, 2000 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-) It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret. But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. Even testing soil damage and skin burns for alternative causes. People are being scientific about UFO's. But here's the thing you overlook in your quip, I've been interested in UFO's for as long as I remember, I've a got a shelf full of the classic books on the subject. Even the true believer stuff from serious researchers like Timothy Good and the abductionists like Bud Hopkins. I bet I know all the great encounters by heart - Cortile, Ramirez, Roswell, Pascagoula, Ilkley Moor, Rendlesham... I love it but I don't take it at face value. To me, UFO's are folklore in action. The evolving myth of abduction and what they are supposedly doing here are the legends of our time, a new religion, encapsulating our fears about technology and promising us freedom from our destructive ways, yet always remaining remarkably evidence free. There's always a new vision to add to the mythos but conveniently never any hard evidence to help decide one way or the other. And the longer that scenario goes on the more convinced any casual observer should be that we are kidding ourselves, because deep down we like ghost stories and that's really what they are. Something scary always just out of reach. Techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. Former Astronaut Explains The UFO Cover-Up 2013 1080p HD | | | | | | Former Astronaut Explains The UFO Cover-Up 2013 ... Edgar Dean Mitchell, Sc.D. is an American pilot, retired Captain in the United States Navy and NASA astronaut. As the lunar module pilot of Apollo 14, ...| | | View on www.youtube.com|Preview by Yahoo | | | ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I didn't really read what sal has written below, but I think the gist of it is, that he doesn't like the person who coined the word flying saucer Is that what his dissertation is about this time? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There is not one astronaut who has NOT reported seeing UFO's, sometimes huge and in large nubers, back to NASA and/or their families. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : That is cool -- I don't enjoy the experience of sleeping or dreaming, as much as I do being active. If I could just remain active 24x7, that would be my preference. My attitude often when I become aware of a dream, is, Oh God, let's get it done with, so I can finish the sleep thing, and wake up soon! Good Morning!! On 11/16/2014 9:06 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: HA! I can relate but the dreaming for me is like a licence to do all sorts of things I don't have access to in waking life and there are just such interesting things that happen in dreams. /In dreams you can do anything you can do in the waking state, but not vice-versa. In dreams you can run and jump and consult with your friends. But, in the waking state you just can't jump as high as in a dream./ (Interesting only to the dreamer, there is nothing more boring than listening to other people's dreams.) /One of the great blessings when you have an SO is you have someone to tell your dreams to in the morning. And, it is also a great blessing to have an SO that will tell you their dreams.//It may be boring, but it is still a blessing to have an SO./ So I like to dream but, as you know, I also love activity that's why I am such a poor candidate for meditation. ;-) /You can use your activity as your meditation object, same difference, meditation-in-action, if you enjoy./ PS just a comment on the deer. You might not want to get them to trust you too much. It could mean a death sentence for them later. Not everyone is as safe as you are and they might pull a gun instead of a camera. /Good point!/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
salyavin, aha indeed! Since you don't believe in God, instead of saying my usual about God's sense of humor, I'll ponder if the bacteria had/have a sense of humor (-: From you first and second paragraphs, I'm wondering if you're equatingexplanatory knowledge with being fully self aware. They seem like 2 things to me. Maybe a developmental neuroscientist could shed some light by studying the behavior of babies. Are they able to figure stuff out, like where the cookies are hidden, before they become aware of my toes and a me? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ah, Salyavin, deep human needs indeed! What do you think is the deepest one? To understand? To survive? Or is it about us at all? Must be to understand. Once all the basics are fulfilled anyway. Our brains seem designed to generate explanations about where we are what's going on, it's endless. Would love to know when it started, the ability to create explanatory knowledge is what sets us apart from our chimp cousins but as things like that don't fossilise it's difficult to say when it might have happened. All we have to go on is cave paintings or marks on sticks but they could be part of a long evolution of self awareness. I wonder what it was like to be only half self-aware? Impossible to know as the bit that does the imagining is the bit that wasn't there yetThere's a concept to ponder! I remember a post of yours a while back. Something about our being mere vehicles for the bacteria to evolve. I bet I'm remembering it inaccurately. Anyway, I can't resist saying that when you say enjoy the ride I think of Maharishi saying enjoy. (-: Yes, we are all descended from bacteria and the only reason we are here at all is because DNA is imperfect at copying itself and keeps making mistakes that change the outcomes of the copying and increasing complexity. Not as exciting a creation myth as some of the others people have come up with but they wouldn't be able to come up with them if it hadn't happened. Aha! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the brink of something called disclosure. We've been here before a few times as I recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, want there to be a reason and for there to be salvation from a higher power, whether it's alien or spiritual. We're talking deep human needs here. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-) It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret. But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query
Thanks, Richard, I'm gonna try this tonight...
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query
On 11/15/2014 5:22 PM, s3raphita wrote:
So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few
times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the
techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it
was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which
included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you
can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about
the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into
the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard
that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So
you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze
mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your
boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed dreaming I
couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left the dream
to run its course while absorbing the novel experience. My question is: is
there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your whim or is it a
case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are like mine? Or
maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power and others
have a more dominant will?
The trick is to practice a Laya Yoga technique we learned from Satyanand:
When you are ready for sleep you just sit up in bed and then let your bija
mantra rest at the heart chakra for a few minutes. That way, the subtle
currents from your Istadevata will permeate your entire being while you sleep.
For example, my Istadevata is Saraswati, the Goddess of Learning, so by
resting the bija portion of her mantra at the heart chakra, my intelligence
will grow by leaps and bounds, right while I'm sleeping.
Then, when you awaken in the morning you will feel refreshed and full of
energy and knowledge. It's that simple!
Anyone had a similar experience?
Yes. A lucid dream is a dream in which the sleeper is aware that he or she is
dreaming. From what I've read, the phenomenon of lucid dreaming has been well
established by scientific research, so its existence is well established.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Further to Curtis' question
Thanks Ann. I found what you wrote and this article equally fascinating and helpful. From what you wrote I was struck by how your comments were shaped by your working relationship with horses. They are not your cuddle toys, you do shit together! Intricate split second, had-better-be-in-synch shit. It reminded me of how differently you get to know people when you work with them rather than socially. All sorts of stuff comes out you would never see out of that context. I admire your life choice of living with horses, the constant and consistent work that must be necessary for such a relationship to happen. Like people who work with working dogs, sled dogs or herding border collies, you have entered into a special relationship most of us don't know much about. I have friends who do a trick dog show and their daily dedication is unreal to me. (As is their ability to travel to shows with over a dozen dogs in a camper!) From the article I was struck with the discussion of how quickly they react to fear and the connection to autism in humans. I work with some of these kids and the skittishness can be spooky. But it made me think that perhaps his is also why horses are so great to work with. Not because you have gotten beyond the fear, although I'm sure emotionally that is charming, but because they ARE so quickly reactive to stimulus. It must sharpen your senses to a peak to keep up. I have read about how they pay so much attention to the environment that something different on a familiar trail can freak them out. What a way to have to see the world to anticipate issues. Do you scan the riding environment with this kind of focus? Detecting if something different in the ring will panic them? So if you are on the back of a huge creature (you do dressage right?) and you are moving through intricate sequences of movement, your mind has to match the instant flickers of their shorter circuit wiring. It must be Zen as hell mentally. It must push every other thing out of your awareness, which I believe is the kind of flow state humans seek through many means. Anything more you care to say on this topic would be welcome and I'm sure I am not the only one who would enjoy it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : I just found this and thought you could give it a skim. It answers your question probably better than I did. http://horseandrider.com/article/whats-your-horse-thinking-13295 http://horseandrider.com/article/whats-your-horse-thinking-13295
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed
25 Million? Please, Reagan granted amnesty to 2 million under the condition
that the border would be secured, which was never done under a democrat lead
house( Speaker Tip O'neal). That is why conservatives demand a secure border
*before* any talk of amnesty. If you can't secure the border, it becomes a
revolving door. Once you grant amnesty to those here illegally, their families
rush the border to be the next to get amnesty and the beat goes on.
From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America,
revealed
The dude who started it was Reagan, granting amnesty to 25 million
illegals. Funny that now everyone sees it as a Democratic strategy.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means their
parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to join them here.
Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will then come. We might as well
annex Central America. They will be given social security cards and green cards
and have all access to every social program including Obama care( remember the
congressman calling Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?)
Black, teen and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise as will the
cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already being stretched beyond
their budgets to make accommodations, including cutting out sports teams, bands
etc.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America,
revealed
On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
Leave's out buy Americanassets for pennies on the dollar. Kos is
apparently notliberal enough or not too smart about economics. RandiRhodes
(now retired) used point that out all the time andI've been saying it for
years. Maybe it sounds tooconspiratorial.
Non sequitur. It's all about the economy andwhether or not you have a job and a
401k. The US doesnot have a shortage of workers. It has a shortage of jobs
-that's the important issue - the people have spoken.
The irresponsible immigration policy has created a surplus ofworkers. Illegal
alien amnesty will make that surplus muchworse. Legalize twelve million illegal
aliens and another twelvemillion will come.
http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb
On 11/15/2014 12:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:
And it only takes up the topright corner of this cartoon from Daily Kos:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query
On 11/16/2014 10:01 AM, Share Long wrote: Thanks, Richard, I'm gonna try this tonight... /Satyanand told us that it was a min-meditation for sleep at night. We've been using this technique since 1968 and it works. ///You just set it, and forget it. /I've also used almost the same Laya Yoga technique when awakening: When you wake up, but before you actually get up, you just remember the bija portion of your mantra and repeat it a few times mentally to yourself. Then, you get up and go about your business including your regular TM 2 x 20.// // / *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2014 8:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/15/2014 5:22 PM, s3raphita wrote: So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat. Anyway, though I was lucidly self-aware that I was indeed dreaming I couldn't change the story narration unfolding before me so just left the dream to run its course while absorbing the novel experience. My question is: is there some trick to getting the dream to change to suit your whim or is it a case of practice makes perfect? Or maybe most lucid dreams are like mine? Or maybe my will power is feeble compared with my imaginative power and others have a more dominant will? /The trick is to practice a Laya Yoga technique we learned from Satyanand: // // //When you are ready for sleep you just sit up in bed and then let your bija mantra rest at the heart chakra for a few minutes. That way, the subtle currents from your Istadevata will permeate your entire being while you sleep. For example, my Istadevata is Saraswati, the Goddess of Learning, so by resting the bija portion of her mantra at the heart chakra, my intelligence will grow by leaps and bounds, right while I'm sleeping. Then, when you awaken in the morning you will feel refreshed and full of energy and knowledge. It's that simple!/ Anyone had a similar experience? /Yes. A lucid dream is a dream in which the sleeper is aware that he or she is dreaming. From what I've read, the phenomenon of lucid dreaming has been well established by scientific research, so its existence is well established. /
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, aha indeed! Since you don't believe in God, instead of saying my usual about God's sense of humor, I'll ponder if the bacteria had/have a sense of humor (-: From you first and second paragraphs, I'm wondering if you're equatingexplanatory knowledge with being fully self aware. They seem like 2 things to me. Maybe a developmental neuroscientist could shed some light by studying the behavior of babies. Are they able to figure stuff out, like where the cookies are hidden, before they become aware of my toes and me? I use the term explanatory knowledge to mean that we are the only animals that come up with ideas to explain things like where they are and what's going on. A chimp might use a twig to tease ants out of a log but humans can sit and ponder where the ants came from and what they are made of. Once you get that capability the possibilities are endless, philosophy, cosmology, science etc. It ends up where we are today with knowledge of quasars at the edge of the universe and of the energies that makes atoms work and a steadily growing number of things inbetween. Not bad achievements really, especially considering the only difference between us and chimps is an abstract metaphorical language. How we acquired that is an interesting question, many theories there. I don't think babies figure abstract stuff out at all. Not until they learn to speak, up till then it's all instinctual responses, the baby whisperer makes a nice living out of conning people otherwise though! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ah, Salyavin, deep human needs indeed! What do you think is the deepest one? To understand? To survive? Or is it about us at all? Must be to understand. Once all the basics are fulfilled anyway. Our brains seem designed to generate explanations about where we are what's going on, it's endless. Would love to know when it started, the ability to create explanatory knowledge is what sets us apart from our chimp cousins but as things like that don't fossilise it's difficult to say when it might have happened. All we have to go on is cave paintings or marks on sticks but they could be part of a long evolution of self awareness. I wonder what it was like to be only half self-aware? Impossible to know as the bit that does the imagining is the bit that wasn't there yetThere's a concept to ponder! I remember a post of yours a while back. Something about our being mere vehicles for the bacteria to evolve. I bet I'm remembering it inaccurately. Anyway, I can't resist saying that when you say enjoy the ride I think of Maharishi saying enjoy. (-: Yes, we are all descended from bacteria and the only reason we are here at all is because DNA is imperfect at copying itself and keeps making mistakes that change the outcomes of the copying and increasing complexity. Not as exciting a creation myth as some of the others people have come up with but they wouldn't be able to come up with them if it hadn't happened. Aha! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the brink of something called disclosure. We've been here before a few times as I recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, want there
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed
Ooops - my mistake. As for the border being secured, that will never happen. Never. Part of the problem is that agribiz and the hospitality industry both take full advantage of undocumented workers, so on the one hand, they join the patriots and call for secure borders, while on the other hand, they ensure that corporate profits soar, on the backs of illegal labor. Hypocritical BS, which both political parties are well aware of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : 25 Million? Please, Reagan granted amnesty to 2 million under the condition that the border would be secured, which was never done under a democrat lead house( Speaker Tip O'neal). That is why conservatives demand a secure border *before* any talk of amnesty. If you can't secure the border, it becomes a revolving door. Once you grant amnesty to those here illegally, their families rush the border to be the next to get amnesty and the beat goes on. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed The dude who started it was Reagan, granting amnesty to 25 million illegals. Funny that now everyone sees it as a Democratic strategy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means their parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to join them here. Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will then come. We might as well annex Central America. They will be given social security cards and green cards and have all access to every social program including Obama care( remember the congressman calling Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?) Black, teen and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise as will the cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already being stretched beyond their budgets to make accommodations, including cutting out sports teams, bands etc. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Leave's out buy American assets for pennies on the dollar. Kos is apparently not liberal enough or not too smart about economics. Randi Rhodes (now retired) used point that out all the time and I've been saying it for years. Maybe it sounds too conspiratorial. Non sequitur. It's all about the economy and whether or not you have a job and a 401k. The US does not have a shortage of workers. It has a shortage of jobs - that's the important issue - the people have spoken. The irresponsible immigration policy has created a surplus of workers. Illegal alien amnesty will make that surplus much worse. Legalize twelve million illegal aliens and another twelve million will come. http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb On 11/15/2014 12:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: And it only takes up the top right corner of this cartoon from Daily Kos:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. C: Nabbie with your attention to the details of what I write you could easily be mistaken for a fanboy. Yes, this is one of my favorite topics and thanks for reminding me. Let's revisit it to see if my views have changed I am denying that Maharishi has made a convincing case for his claim that: Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. The example he used was that when we are sleepy our knowledge is different. When I was a young man, and more easily swayed by my internal feelings when thinking, I agreed with him. But now I do not find this to be the case. As an adult professional I have learned how to functions at a certain level mentally no matter what my level of rest or fatigue. My knowledge is not significantly affected. Being more likely to forget something can happen. But this is a long way from the breadth of this claim. I would say that fatigue exerts no more than a 10% influence over my mental abilities. So the comparison falls flat in my experience. Are you really incapable of doing your job well if you are tired? Does it make that much of a difference in your functioning really? You might enjoy it less but that is a different claim. And as far as extending this into the so called higher states as if this analogy would prove anything about them even if it were true, I call bullshit. I have seen nothing from any of the so called enlightened guys, Maharishi included, that couldn't be replicated from anyone familiar with their use of language and a Hinduism 101 course. Light some incense: The mind is a shallow boat surrounded by the ocean of infinity. The mind experiences pleasure and pain, It associates with the objects of perception which sells out the infinite full potential of their inner nature for a localized, finite experience. When the mind expands into its limitless source, it becomes one with that infinite nature, and takes on the qualities of truth,consciousness and bliss awareness, beyond the limitations of space and time. This is what the ancient rishis called Sat Chit Ananda. You guess who wrote that from the knowledge it contains. Is there anything in those words that would make it impossible for the writer to be in waking state? Is there something so different from what a person who was not experiencing that reality could write, if they knew the language form and structure of the claims in that philosophy? Can you really tell if that was real or Memorex? So Nabbie, you defend your teachers assertion that he did not prove. He just asserted it. Now is your moment to show how your elevated consciousness has such a superior state of knowledge, that you can turn my objections to ashes before my eyes. Being scornful of my objections is not an argument. Show us why we should accept that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness without resorting to the proof by bogus analogy, blatant unsupported assertion, or appeal to the authority of Hindu holy books that Maharishi tried. Do your guru a solid and help him make his case for the infidels. But we both know that no one can because you just bought into a belief that doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Same 3 choices every time you take a swing at me. You can defend your belief with reasoned argument to convince me where what I wrote was wrong somehow or missing an important point, you can follow angry Jim and go ad hominem as he recently did AGAIN, or you can slink away to take another sucker punch another day, never defending your position or refuting mine with reason, like an internet troll. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, one of these days he'll even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one! Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to reply to Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
Yeah, I have probably fought it more often than not, when it is time to meditate. And that has been going on for almost 40 years! Nonetheless, I use what little self discipline I have, to persevere. Re the deer, yes, I am working on a personal relationship, not to convince them that all humans are a-ok. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : That is cool -- I don't enjoy the experience of sleeping or dreaming, as much as I do being active. If I could just remain active 24x7, that would be my preference. My attitude often when I become aware of a dream, is, Oh God, let's get it done with, so I can finish the sleep thing, and wake up soon! Good Morning!! HA! I can relate but the dreaming for me is like a licence to do all sorts of things I don't have access to in waking life and there are just such interesting things that happen in dreams. (Interesting only to the dreamer, there is nothing more boring than listening to other people's dreams.) So I like to dream but, as you know, I also love activity that's why I am such a poor candidate for meditation. ;-) PS just a comment on the deer. You might not want to get them to trust you too much. It could mean a death sentence for them later. Not everyone is as safe as you are and they might pull a gun instead of a camera.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Curtis, from your first paragraph, it sounds like you're equating knowledge with mental abilities. But I don't think that's what Maharishi meant. I think what he meant by knowledge is conclusions drawn from perceptions.One of the classical examples is that of the blind men touching different parts of the elephant and then coming to different conclusions about the identity of the object being touched in different places.Another classic example is the snake and the string wherein the agitated person sees something threatening and the calm person sees something nonthreatening.Even in every day life, if 10 people witness an accident, there will be 10 different reports. And how about the party game of telephone? Why doesn't the message stay the same with each hearing and repeating? From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. C: Nabbie with your attention to the details of what I write you could easily be mistaken for a fanboy. Yes, this is one of my favorite topics and thanks for reminding me. Let's revisit it to see if my views have changed I am denying that Maharishi has made a convincing case for his claim that: Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. The example he used was that when we are sleepy our knowledge is different. When I was a young man, and more easily swayed by my internal feelings when thinking, I agreed with him. But now I do not find this to be the case. As an adult professional I have learned how to functions at a certain level mentally no matter what my level of rest or fatigue. My knowledge is not significantly affected. Being more likely to forget something can happen. But this is a long way from the breadth of this claim. I would say that fatigue exerts no more than a 10% influence over my mental abilities. So the comparison falls flat in my experience. Are you really incapable of doing your job well if you are tired? Does it make that much of a difference in your functioning really? You might enjoy it less but that is a different claim. And as far as extending this into the so called higher states as if this analogy would prove anything about them even if it were true, I call bullshit. I have seen nothing from any of the so called enlightened guys, Maharishi included, that couldn't be replicated from anyone familiar with their use of language and a Hinduism 101 course. Light some incense: The mind is a shallow boat surrounded by the ocean of infinity. The mind experiences pleasure and pain, It associates with the objects of perception which sells out the infinite full potential of their inner nature for a localized, finite experience. When the mind expands into its limitless source, it becomes one with that infinite nature, and takes on the qualities of truth,consciousness and bliss awareness, beyond the limitations of space and time. This is what the ancient rishis called Sat Chit Ananda. You guess who wrote that from the knowledge it contains. Is there anything in those words that would make it impossible for the writer to be in waking state? Is there something so different from what a person who was not experiencing that reality could write, if they knew the language form and structure of the claims in that philosophy? Can you really tell if that was real or Memorex? So Nabbie, you defend your teachers assertion that he did not prove. He just asserted it. Now is your moment to show how your elevated consciousness has such a superior state of knowledge, that you can turn my objections to ashes before my eyes. Being scornful of my objections is not an argument. Show us why we should accept that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness without resorting to the proof by bogus analogy, blatant unsupported assertion, or appeal to the authority of Hindu holy books that Maharishi tried. Do your guru a solid and help him make his case for the infidels. But we both know that no one can because you just bought into a belief that doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Same 3 choices every time you take a swing at me. You can defend your belief with reasoned argument to convince me where what I wrote was wrong somehow or missing an important point, you can follow angry Jim and go ad hominem as he recently did AGAIN, or you can slink away to take another sucker punch another day, never defending your position or refuting mine with reason, like an internet troll. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Yes, because of the large karmic rebound Barry has built up, he has become one big, red, reactive button, himself. And he continues to drone on about being hypnotized by a rapist - Something the rest of us would be less than thrilled about sharing. PS Notice Barry calls him Fred here? Normally, its Rama this and Rama that. Barry still believes the guy was an avatar of Vishnu, instead of a drugged up puppy strangler, and worse. No wonder his life is a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Seems Richard has managed to push the buttons of the Turq big-time, no matter how much he claims never to read any of his posts :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Willytex can continue to remind people of anything he fuckin' wants...it doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made several *thousand* posts about it. Compare and contrast against the claim made by Nabby several times on this forum that *HE* has levitated, hanging in the air for long periods of time. There is no one on Earth who doesn't find that laughable. :-) As for Curtis, I doubt seriously that he has ever suggested that *perception* is not different in different states of consciousness, only that *reality* probably isn't. Nabby wouldn't make that distinction because quite frankly he doesn't understand the difference. As with his claims to have personally levitated (which he has been unable to provide proof for or find anyone to substantiate), he seems to believe that if he experienced or perceived something, that *is* reality. I suspect that both Curtis and I would agree that anyone who believes this is delusional. Even if you don't bother factoring in the fact that Nabby also believes in little green men whose idea of fun is stomping patterns in fields of wheat to show how advanced and intelligent they are. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, one of these days he'll even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one! Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to reply to Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the brink of something called disclosure. We've been here before a few times as I recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, want there to be a
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I enjoyed reading about your serious consideration of UFO's. Purely going by logic, it doesn't make sense that we are the only living beings in the universe. However, I agree that many reports of UFOs are wishful thinking. Two personal experiences I can't explain: My ex-wife had an alien visitation, where they came up the stairs of our house, put a probe into her side and studied her, while I was asleep next to her. She was speechless and in shock afterwards - I can't say whether or not it was real, but her description and reaction sure seemed so. Other than that, last summer, I was in the yard and looked up, and saw a metallic shiny disc, hovering in the sky. I took some bad pictures of it, and felt as if I was being watched (attached). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-) It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret. But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. Even testing soil damage and skin burns for alternative causes. People are being scientific about UFO's. But here's the thing you overlook in your quip, I've been interested in UFO's for as long as I remember, I've a got a shelf full of the classic books on the subject. Even the true believer stuff from serious researchers like Timothy Good and the abductionists like Bud Hopkins. I bet I know all the great encounters by heart - Cortile, Ramirez, Roswell, Pascagoula, Ilkley Moor, Rendlesham... I love it but I don't take it at face value. To me, UFO's are folklore in action. The evolving myth of abduction and what they are supposedly doing here are the legends of our time, a new religion, encapsulating our fears about technology and promising us freedom from our destructive ways, yet always remaining remarkably evidence free. There's always a new vision to add to the mythos but conveniently never any hard evidence to help decide one way or the other. And the longer that scenario goes on the more convinced any casual observer should be that we are kidding ourselves, because deep down we like ghost stories and that's really what they are. Something scary always just out of reach. Techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. Former Astronaut Explains The UFO Cover-Up 2013 1080p HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI Former Astronaut Explains The UFO Cover-Up 2013 ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI Edgar Dean Mitchell, Sc.D. is an American pilot, retired Captain in the United States Navy and NASA astronaut. As the lunar module pilot of Apollo 14, ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I didn't really read what sal has written below, but I think the gist of it is, that he doesn't like the person who coined the word flying saucer Is that what his dissertation is about this time? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There is not one astronaut who has NOT reported seeing UFO's, sometimes huge and in large nubers, back to NASA and/or their families. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If Gordon is not crazy, then the American government is purposefully, mindfully, ABSOLUTELY evil. If there are aliens visiting us and we're not being told -- it robs every person on Earth. EVERY PERSON ON EARTH. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone ever could possibly be who we are now if we knew that UFOs are real. IT. WOULD. CHANGE. EVERYTHING. And that's why it might be kept a secret -- the concept money would be bereft of allure. If you say that it would NOT be all that much of a big deal, cuz everyone's so inured already by Hollywood films, then YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT PSYCHOLOGY. Every person in every way: changed. Agreed. Luckily I don;t suppose it will come to that. Which is a shame as I'd be the happiest person on Earth if it turned out that
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I understand that you are a champion for the waking state, Curtis. So what? Because you are not established in pure awareness, you assert that your immature consciousness is the one and only reality. Such arrogance, and ignorance, combined. On the one hand, your buddy claims he saw a rapist fly through the air, and on the other, you insist that the waking state is all there is. My sole conclusion, is that you, and tweedle dee, are quite confused. Perhaps your life would be more successful, if you didn't close so many doors on yourself. Just a suggestion. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. C: Nabbie with your attention to the details of what I write you could easily be mistaken for a fanboy. Yes, this is one of my favorite topics and thanks for reminding me. Let's revisit it to see if my views have changed I am denying that Maharishi has made a convincing case for his claim that: Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. The example he used was that when we are sleepy our knowledge is different. When I was a young man, and more easily swayed by my internal feelings when thinking, I agreed with him. But now I do not find this to be the case. As an adult professional I have learned how to functions at a certain level mentally no matter what my level of rest or fatigue. My knowledge is not significantly affected. Being more likely to forget something can happen. But this is a long way from the breadth of this claim. I would say that fatigue exerts no more than a 10% influence over my mental abilities. So the comparison falls flat in my experience. Are you really incapable of doing your job well if you are tired? Does it make that much of a difference in your functioning really? You might enjoy it less but that is a different claim. And as far as extending this into the so called higher states as if this analogy would prove anything about them even if it were true, I call bullshit. I have seen nothing from any of the so called enlightened guys, Maharishi included, that couldn't be replicated from anyone familiar with their use of language and a Hinduism 101 course. Light some incense: The mind is a shallow boat surrounded by the ocean of infinity. The mind experiences pleasure and pain, It associates with the objects of perception which sells out the infinite full potential of their inner nature for a localized, finite experience. When the mind expands into its limitless source, it becomes one with that infinite nature, and takes on the qualities of truth,consciousness and bliss awareness, beyond the limitations of space and time. This is what the ancient rishis called Sat Chit Ananda. You guess who wrote that from the knowledge it contains. Is there anything in those words that would make it impossible for the writer to be in waking state? Is there something so different from what a person who was not experiencing that reality could write, if they knew the language form and structure of the claims in that philosophy? Can you really tell if that was real or Memorex? So Nabbie, you defend your teachers assertion that he did not prove. He just asserted it. Now is your moment to show how your elevated consciousness has such a superior state of knowledge, that you can turn my objections to ashes before my eyes. Being scornful of my objections is not an argument. Show us why we should accept that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness without resorting to the proof by bogus analogy, blatant unsupported assertion, or appeal to the authority of Hindu holy books that Maharishi tried. Do your guru a solid and help him make his case for the infidels. But we both know that no one can because you just bought into a belief that doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Same 3 choices every time you take a swing at me. You can defend your belief with reasoned argument to convince me where what I wrote was wrong somehow or missing an important point, you can follow angry Jim and go ad hominem as he recently did AGAIN, or you can slink away to take another sucker punch another day, never defending your position or refuting mine with reason, like an internet troll. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, one of these days he'll even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one! Apparently he already believes in
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, from your first paragraph, it sounds like you're equating knowledge with mental abilities. But I don't think that's what Maharishi meant. I think what he meant by knowledge is conclusions drawn from perceptions. C: I agree, His definition was experience and understanding are the components of knowledge. In his example he doesn't keep this distinction clear. But if we examine your point his claim is even lamer. Once I have solid knowledge born of experience and understanding, I can't be rocked by any lack of sleep which was his example. For example I play gigs and teach all the time with very little sleep. It has an insignificant affect on my ability to think clearly and present my material because I have it rooted in lots of experience and understanding. S: One of the classical examples is that of the blind men touching different parts of the elephant and then coming to different conclusions about the identity of the object being touched in different places. C: I don't believe more analogies help support the claim. In that case they lack experience and understanding both, it has nothing to do with their consciousness or even state of mind. I know Maharishi was fond of proof by analogy but it is not a valid proof. It just means you have a cute story to tell that is entertaining. It does not make any case about the claim. S: Another classic example is the snake and the string wherein the agitated person sees something threatening and the calm person sees something nonthreatening. C: Again this is a lack of experience or understanding but says nothing about the state of consciousness. Both the calm person and the agitated person lacked information, and it was too dark for experience to kick in. The agitation may make a person jump to this conclusion faster but the problem was lack of knowledge, not a state of mind. When the person is shown it is a string they have just as much ability for knowledge as the calm man. And the reverse would be true too in this case. If the guy was calm with no evidence that there was no a snake in the dark, he could be bitten. The agitated guy might have survived because he was on guard when there was a lack of clear knowledge. So again, his analogy fails to prove anything about our state or mind being an advantage, it all depends on whether or not it happened to be a snake or a string after the fact. S: Even in every day life, if 10 people witness an accident, there will be 10 different reports. And how about the party game of telephone? Why doesn't the message stay the same with each hearing and repeating? C: Because we are unreliable witnesses due to a cognitive gap we have when we lack experience or understanding about an event. Our minds fill in gaps and give us a perverse confidence that we know what we are talking about as we describe our experience. These points speak to the unreliability of our cognitive abilities across the board, but make no case that anyone in a higher state would be any better at this than we are. You have made a case that we have known cognitive gaps, and that with the influx of overwhelming data, we each pay attention to a selection of things combined with our perceptual biases to form our conclusions about what happened. There is nothing in the growth of consciousness model that even addresses this problem except to make the religious claim that somehow you will magically notice the right things about an event from the many things you could have noticed. (If you hung around Maharishi long enough you could see that he was no better than any of us at noticing things properly.) Thanks for extending the discussion. Have I missed something about your points? From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. C: Nabbie with your attention to the details of what I write you could easily be mistaken for a fanboy. Yes, this is one of my favorite topics and thanks for reminding me. Let's revisit it to see if my views have changed I am denying that Maharishi has made a convincing case for his claim that: Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. The example he used was that when we are sleepy our knowledge is different. When I was a young man, and more easily swayed by my internal feelings when thinking, I agreed with him. But now I do not find this to be the case. As an adult professional I have learned how to functions at a certain level mentally no
[FairfieldLife] Speaking of stalking Barry...
I was researching the Mayflower's voyage, and found out that the English Puritans and Separatists, settled in Leiden, Netherlands, before deciding to go to America. They made the voyage to America, because they felt that to stay in the Netherlands, they would be assimilated out of existence. Oddly, two ships, the Mayflower and Speedwell, were to have made the voyage, but the Speedwell kept springing leaks, which, it has been surmised, were created by the ship's master, as he was fearful of starving to death in America - not too far off, as half the Mayflower's passengers and crew stayed aboard the first winter, and died of contagious disease. I also found it interesting that the Mayflower was heavily armed, to protect against pirates and privateers. Last, they were originally headed to the Virginia colony, which had accepted them in advance, but couldn't make headway to go south, and remained in Cape Cod harbor.
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I never said waking state is all there is. Your claims about knowing about my level of success reveals your inability to distinguish your internal fantasy about someone, from the reality that you are not in a position to know. Because you don't like me for my lack of buy-in to your storyyou wish me ill, and imagine that I am not living a fulfilled life. Because your ability to distinguish internal feelings from external reality is compromised, you feel confident with a story you are telling yourself, but are in no position to know about my actual life. It reveals that your grasp of reality is tenuous since I am the one who would know if your claim was correct. You know, by living the life you are speculating about and all. It is this cognitive flaw that also leads you to believe, beyond all external evidence, that you are living in a special state of mind with magical properties. It feels good for you to believe it, so you do. I don't. Every time you combine a post accusing me of arrogance while trying to make a feeble case that you are in some magically superior state of mind than I am, another angel gets its wings. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I understand that you are a champion for the waking state, Curtis. So what? Because you are not established in pure awareness, you assert that your immature consciousness is the one and only reality. Such arrogance, and ignorance, combined. On the one hand, your buddy claims he saw a rapist fly through the air, and on the other, you insist that the waking state is all there is. My sole conclusion, is that you, and tweedle dee, are quite confused. Perhaps your life would be more successful, if you didn't close so many doors on yourself. Just a suggestion. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. C: Nabbie with your attention to the details of what I write you could easily be mistaken for a fanboy. Yes, this is one of my favorite topics and thanks for reminding me. Let's revisit it to see if my views have changed I am denying that Maharishi has made a convincing case for his claim that: Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. The example he used was that when we are sleepy our knowledge is different. When I was a young man, and more easily swayed by my internal feelings when thinking, I agreed with him. But now I do not find this to be the case. As an adult professional I have learned how to functions at a certain level mentally no matter what my level of rest or fatigue. My knowledge is not significantly affected. Being more likely to forget something can happen. But this is a long way from the breadth of this claim. I would say that fatigue exerts no more than a 10% influence over my mental abilities. So the comparison falls flat in my experience. Are you really incapable of doing your job well if you are tired? Does it make that much of a difference in your functioning really? You might enjoy it less but that is a different claim. And as far as extending this into the so called higher states as if this analogy would prove anything about them even if it were true, I call bullshit. I have seen nothing from any of the so called enlightened guys, Maharishi included, that couldn't be replicated from anyone familiar with their use of language and a Hinduism 101 course. Light some incense: The mind is a shallow boat surrounded by the ocean of infinity. The mind experiences pleasure and pain, It associates with the objects of perception which sells out the infinite full potential of their inner nature for a localized, finite experience. When the mind expands into its limitless source, it becomes one with that infinite nature, and takes on the qualities of truth,consciousness and bliss awareness, beyond the limitations of space and time. This is what the ancient rishis called Sat Chit Ananda. You guess who wrote that from the knowledge it contains. Is there anything in those words that would make it impossible for the writer to be in waking state? Is there something so different from what a person who was not experiencing that reality could write, if they knew the language form and structure of the claims in that philosophy? Can you really tell if that was real or Memorex? So Nabbie, you defend your teachers assertion that he did not prove. He just asserted it. Now is your moment to show how your elevated consciousness has such a superior state of knowledge, that you can turn my objections to ashes before my eyes. Being scornful of my objections is not an argument. Show us why we should accept that knowledge is different in different states of
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Share, I agree that there is some conflating here of mental abilities and knowledge. I think it is the typical apple/orange thing. The way the concept was presented by Maharishi was the obvious difference between waking, sleeping, and dreaming states of consciousness which we note in every day experience. But where it gets interesting is when you consider the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh states, and how knowledge is perceived or acquired, differently in those states. But, if you don't buy into the reality of those states, then it is easy to dismiss the theory. After all, they are subjective by nature, so if someone says prove it, you may be hard pressed to do so. On the other hand, you have someone like Barry owning up to having such experiences, but placing no particular importance to them. You have someone like Michael, who has waxed on about traversing the whole field of those higher states of consciousness, but then deciding that doing so sort of invalidates his oft repeated assumption that the technique doesn't work. So, I'm not sure what is going on with these guys. It sounds to me that at least those two have already implicated themselves as to verifying that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness Barry said as much this morning. Now, the fact that this seems to put him at odds with what Curtis is saying, may require him to backtrack some. Or more likely, he doesn't really care. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, from your first paragraph, it sounds like you're equating knowledge with mental abilities. But I don't think that's what Maharishi meant. I think what he meant by knowledge is conclusions drawn from perceptions. One of the classical examples is that of the blind men touching different parts of the elephant and then coming to different conclusions about the identity of the object being touched in different places. Another classic example is the snake and the string wherein the agitated person sees something threatening and the calm person sees something nonthreatening. Even in every day life, if 10 people witness an accident, there will be 10 different reports. And how about the party game of telephone? Why doesn't the message stay the same with each hearing and repeating? From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. C: Nabbie with your attention to the details of what I write you could easily be mistaken for a fanboy. Yes, this is one of my favorite topics and thanks for reminding me. Let's revisit it to see if my views have changed I am denying that Maharishi has made a convincing case for his claim that: Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. The example he used was that when we are sleepy our knowledge is different. When I was a young man, and more easily swayed by my internal feelings when thinking, I agreed with him. But now I do not find this to be the case. As an adult professional I have learned how to functions at a certain level mentally no matter what my level of rest or fatigue. My knowledge is not significantly affected. Being more likely to forget something can happen. But this is a long way from the breadth of this claim. I would say that fatigue exerts no more than a 10% influence over my mental abilities. So the comparison falls flat in my experience. Are you really incapable of doing your job well if you are tired? Does it make that much of a difference in your functioning really? You might enjoy it less but that is a different claim. And as far as extending this into the so called higher states as if this analogy would prove anything about them even if it were true, I call bullshit. I have seen nothing from any of the so called enlightened guys, Maharishi included, that couldn't be replicated from anyone familiar with their use of language and a Hinduism 101 course. Light some incense: The mind is a shallow boat surrounded by the ocean of infinity. The mind experiences pleasure and pain, It associates with the objects of perception which sells out the infinite full potential of their inner nature for a localized, finite experience. When the mind expands into its limitless source, it becomes one with that infinite nature, and takes on the qualities of truth,consciousness and bliss awareness, beyond the limitations of space and time. This is what the ancient rishis called Sat Chit Ananda. You guess who wrote that from the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I agree that there is some conflating here of mental abilities and knowledge. C: You mean by Maharishi in his examples, right? He started the comparison which you are labeling conflation. S: I think it is the typical apple/orange thing. The way the concept was presented by Maharishi was the obvious difference between waking, sleeping, and dreaming states of consciousness which we note in every day experience. C: That was another example he used. The clear and foggy, tired not tired example was also his. Of course saying that these are different mental states doesn't really make any practical case for how it might apply to our daily life which is why he needed to extend the example. Saying that our knowledge is different in deep sleep is a bit of a stretch because it is a state of zero consciousness. So it isn't that the knowledge is different as much as the knower is gone. In dreams we also have a very altered sense of self so there really isn't a parallel there either. It isn't that our knowledge, which is by his definition experience and understanding.The understanding part is missing because the experience is not organized as it is in waking state. So saying that these are different style experience does nothing to establish the principle he is attempting to establish, that knowledge is structured in consciousness. The best he does is to point out that to know anything we must be aware and to know specific things we must be aware of those things and be in a state of mind capable of that. Not exactly an enlightened news flash. C: But where it gets interesting is when you consider the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh states, and how knowledge is perceived or acquired, differently in those states. But, if you don't buy into the reality of those states, then it is easy to dismiss the theory. C: You can have had the experience of altered states without buying into them as higher states. If you have done heavy rounding you know that you can alter your mental functioning. What it means is the issue. And in all my own experience I can't find an example of my knowledge being different, just my experience of my own mental functioning. The understanding was being pumped in by hours of lectures of Maharishi trying to convince me how I should interpret the experience and its value and meaning. I had the same beliefs throughout the process of changing internal experience, there was not change in my knowledge. Then when my knowledge changed again and I rejected his teaching I could still experience the states I had when I was a believer, they are not connected. S: After all, they are subjective by nature, so if someone says prove it, you may be hard pressed to do so. C: If this was the kind of state extolled by Maharishi, the highest state of human development, there would be plenty of proof. Maharishi gave lots of examples of how we would see results in activity, he was not poo pooing proof for his claims, he as boldly claiming it could be proven. His confidence has not held up to scrutiny over time. Maharishi was using a philosophical proof system to make his case. I am showing that it is a flawed one. Proof by analogy isn't valid, analogies are a way to explain something you have proven in another way. In the beginning he could claim that people just didn't have the experience so no noticeable results could be shown to prove his claim. Now we have people claiming to be in these higher states. So now it turns out that even if knowledge IS structured in consciousness, other than self satisfaction, nothing is changed in their knowledge that does anyone else any good at all. It is indistinguishable from someone saying, now that Jesus has saved me and I have eternal life, everything in my life is unfolding in God's perfect plan. So the idea of the value of knowledge is reduced to: I feel good about myself now. Did it really take years of practice to achieve that? And isn't the concept of the value of human knowledge much more than that? This is a great topic no matter where you stand on it, thanks for pitching in Steve. I am just thinking out loud here, sorting out my own perspective by expressing it. On the other hand, you have someone like Barry owning up to having such experiences, but placing no particular importance to them. You have someone like Michael, who has waxed on about traversing the whole field of those higher states of consciousness, but then deciding that doing so sort of invalidates his oft repeated assumption that the technique doesn't work. So, I'm not sure what is going on with these guys. It sounds to me that at least those two have already implicated themselves as to verifying that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness Barry said as much this morning. Now, the fact that this seems
[FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I enjoyed reading about your serious consideration of UFO's. Purely going by logic, it doesn't make sense that we are the only living beings in the universe. However, I agree that many reports of UFOs are wishful thinking. True, we can't say whether we are the only intelligent beings in the universe - but it's a big place. This is the main problem. Just getting from wherever they are to here is such a monumentally enormous task and would take so long - even if you can get close to the speed of light - that it's vanishingly unlikely that any other life form could be here. And for them to be here just as we are becoming technologically aware is another stretch of credulity. But for them to be humanoid, capable of breathing our atmosphere and coping with our gravity! I have to say it does arouse major suspicions in me. It's not impossible though, it's just that we have no good evidence and plenty of better ways of explaining the evidence we do have. So I stay interested but sceptical. You tell a familiar story about your ex-wife though, and I have no reason to doubt the experience. I've got books full of similar recountings. But are aliens the best explanation for this? There have always been stories of people waking up paralysed and sensing a mysterious presence in the room. It's part of English folklore anyway. They used to call the creature the old hag, people would say it was terrifying as they couldn't breathe with this ghost thing was sitting on their chest. From the website of psychologist Susan Blackmore: The Sleep-Paralysis Experience In a typical sleep-paralysis episode, a person wakes up paralyzed, senses a presence in the room, feels fear or even terror, and may hear buzzing and humming noises, or see strange lights. A visible or invisible entity may even sit on their chest, shaking, strangling or prodding them. Attempts to fight the paralysis are usually unsuccessful. It is reputedly more effective to relax, or try to move just the eyes or a single finger or toe. Descriptions of sleep paralysis are given in many of the references already cited and in Hufford’s (1982) classic work on the Old Hag. I and a colleague are building up a case collection and have reported our preliminary findings. Perhaps alien abduction is our modern sleep paralysis myth. People have pointed out the similarities between abductions and sleep paralysis. The majority of the abduction experiences they studied occurred at night, and almost 60 percent of the intense reports were sleep related. Of the intense experiences, nearly a quarter involved symptoms similar to sleep paralysis. Cox (1995) divided his twelve abductees into six daytime and six nighttime abductions and, even with such small groups, found that the nighttime abductees reported significantly more frequent sleep paralysis than either of the control groups. I suggest that the best explanation for many abduction experiences is that they are elaborations of the experience of sleep paralysis. Imagine the following scenario: a woman wakes in the night with a strong sense that someone or something is in the room. She tries to move and finds she is completely paralyzed except for her eyes. She sees strange lights, hears a buzzing or humming sound, and feels a vibration in the bed. If she knows about sleep paralysis, she will recognise it instantly, but most people do not. So what is she going to think? I suggest that, if she has watched TV programs about abductions or read about them, she may begin to think of aliens. And in this borderline sleep state, the imagined alien will seem extremely real. This alone may be enough to create the conviction of having been abducted. Hypnosis could make the memories of this real experience (but not real abduction) completely convincing. Does it cover you ex's experience? I do not know but people have always had this experience and the interpretation into modern memes like aliens instead of creatures from folklore like goblins doesn't seem unrealistic. I remember Susan Blackmore had a go on a machine designed to recreate these experiences using some sort of brainwave stimulator. She was in a laboratory but still found the experience terrifying, paralysis and an awareness of a presence, she had the whole thing. Experiments like this are never 100% conclusive but it does show that our minds can create a lot of stuff that seems externally derived. Thanks for the photo. I wish I could see more in it than I do see ;-) I have seen weird things though, I saw Venus on the horizon once. It was dancing around and changing shape, colour and size. Amazing to see, I had binoculars and my neighbours came out to look and were astonished. Anyone else would see a UFO doing typical UFO manouvres (ask Nabby) but when you know it's a planet and the lighting effects are caused by
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Curtis and Steve, I'm also just thinking out loud, sort of fumbling around with all this. Because KISIC and KIDIDSOC always resonated with me as being true. They felt right. But it's also fun to try and reason them out as well. But as I said, I'm just fumbling around, exploring, also sort of playing with words and our accepted meaning of them. As I've said before, I don't really think in terms of higher and lower states of consciousness. I think of more developed brain states, meaning, more of the brain functioning in a very healthy way. Which I think would automatically be of benefit to the world. I'm assuming that if most of a person's brain was functioning in a very healthy way, then that is how they would behave. It seems like a reasonable assumption to me. More fumbling, but here's an example from my life and I'm not claiming any higher SOC. But I do know that when I'm rested, when my physiology is settled, I feel more in harmony with the people around me. And I treat them more positively. That's a major value for me, and I think for them too. OTOH, if I'm upset or distracted, I can't even be with them as completely, so my knowledge of them at that moment, is incomplete and therefore not as valuable for either of us in terms of living a rich human life. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I agree that there is some conflating here of mental abilities and knowledge. C: You mean by Maharishi in his examples, right? He started the comparison which you are labeling conflation. S: I think it is the typical apple/orange thing. The way the concept was presented by Maharishi was the obvious difference between waking, sleeping, and dreaming states of consciousness which we note in every day experience. C: That was another example he used. The clear and foggy, tired not tired example was also his. Of course saying that these are different mental states doesn't really make any practical case for how it might apply to our daily life which is why he needed to extend the example. Saying that our knowledge is different in deep sleep is a bit of a stretch because it is a state of zero consciousness. So it isn't that the knowledge is different as much as the knower is gone. In dreams we also have a very altered sense of self so there really isn't a parallel there either. It isn't that our knowledge, which is by his definition experience and understanding.The understanding part is missing because the experience is not organized as it is in waking state. So saying that these are different style experience does nothing to establish the principle he is attempting to establish, that knowledge is structured in consciousness. The best he does is to point out that to know anything we must be aware and to know specific things we must be aware of those things and be in a state of mind capable of that. Not exactly an enlightened news flash. C: But where it gets interesting is when you consider the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh states, and how knowledge is perceived or acquired, differently in those states. But, if you don't buy into the reality of those states, then it is easy to dismiss the theory. C: You can have had the experience of altered states without buying into them as higher states. If you have done heavy rounding you know that you can alter your mental functioning. What it means is the issue. And in all my own experience I can't find an example of my knowledge being different, just my experience of my own mental functioning. The understanding was being pumped in by hours of lectures of Maharishi trying to convince me how I should interpret the experience and its value and meaning. I had the same beliefs throughout the process of changing internal experience, there was not change in my knowledge. Then when my knowledge changed again and I rejected his teaching I could still experience the states I had when I was a believer, they are not connected. S: After all, they are subjective by nature, so if someone says prove it, you may be hard pressed to do so. C: If this was the kind of state extolled by Maharishi, the highest state of human development, there would be plenty of proof. Maharishi gave lots of examples of how we would see results in activity, he was not poo pooing proof for his claims, he as boldly claiming it could be proven. His confidence has not held up to scrutiny over time. Maharishi was using a philosophical proof system to make his case. I am showing that it is a flawed one. Proof by analogy isn't valid, analogies are a way to explain something you have proven in another way. In the beginning he could claim that people just didn't have the experience so no
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
salyavin, I've heard recently that humans exist in theta state til abut the age of 6. Catholics consider age 7 what they call the age of reason, when a child can tell right from wrong. Could your explanatory knowledge also be called pattern recognizing? Is that the essence of what makes us different from chimps? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, aha indeed! Since you don't believe in God, instead of saying my usual about God's sense of humor, I'll ponder if the bacteria had/have a sense of humor (-: From you first and second paragraphs, I'm wondering if you're equatingexplanatory knowledge with being fully self aware. They seem like 2 things to me. Maybe a developmental neuroscientist could shed some light by studying the behavior of babies. Are they able to figure stuff out, like where the cookies are hidden, before they become aware of my toes and me? I use the term explanatory knowledge to mean that we are the only animals that come up with ideas to explain things like where they are and what's going on. A chimp might use a twig to tease ants out of a log but humans can sit and ponder where the ants came from and what they are made of. Once you get that capability the possibilities are endless, philosophy, cosmology, science etc. It ends up where we are today with knowledge of quasars at the edge of the universe and of the energies that makes atoms work and a steadily growing number of things inbetween. Not bad achievements really, especially considering the only difference between us and chimps is an abstract metaphorical language. How we acquired that is an interesting question, many theories there. I don't think babies figure abstract stuff out at all. Not until they learn to speak, up till then it's all instinctual responses, the baby whisperer makes a nice living out of conning people otherwise though! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ah, Salyavin, deep human needs indeed! What do you think is the deepest one? To understand? To survive? Or is it about us at all? Must be to understand. Once all the basics are fulfilled anyway. Our brains seem designed to generate explanations about where we are what's going on, it's endless. Would love to know when it started, the ability to create explanatory knowledge is what sets us apart from our chimp cousins but as things like that don't fossilise it's difficult to say when it might have happened. All we have to go on is cave paintings or marks on sticks but they could be part of a long evolution of self awareness. I wonder what it was like to be only half self-aware? Impossible to know as the bit that does the imagining is the bit that wasn't there yetThere's a concept to ponder! I remember a post of yours a while back. Something about our being mere vehicles for the bacteria to evolve. I bet I'm remembering it inaccurately. Anyway, I can't resist saying that when you say enjoy the ride I think of Maharishi saying enjoy. (-: Yes, we are all descended from bacteria and the only reason we are here at all is because DNA is imperfect at copying itself and keeps making mistakes that change the outcomes of the copying and increasing complexity. Not as exciting a creation myth as some of the others people have come up with but they wouldn't be able to come up with them if it hadn't happened. Aha! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Neil Young don't like GMO's
McDonald's announced today that they will NOT be using GMO potatoes as was previously mentioned. My new BD player has the Asian Crush app on so I tried a movie there since I'm a big fan of their horror line. They run ads and guess who runs spots there? Monsanto. On 11/16/2014 09:49 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Neil Young Boycotts Starbucks Over GMO Lawsuit http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/neil-young-boycotts-starbucks-over-gmo-lawsuit-20141115 image http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/neil-young-boycotts-starbucks-over-gmo-lawsuit-20141115 Neil Young Boycotts Starbucks Over GMO Lawsuit http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/neil-young-boycotts-starbucks-over-gmo-lawsuit-20141115 Neil Young announced that he's boycotting Starbucks over the coffee company's involvement in a lawsuit against the state of Vermont. View on www.rollingstone.com http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/neil-young-boycotts-starbucks-over-gmo-lawsuit-20141115 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
Culture: Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Such that within the culture of TM the TM negativity policy like with the TM Saha Nav Hymn for instance, if someone commits a larceny within an element of the organization then by the teachings it would be entertaining negativity to administratively examine that action in another person or within such element of an organization by others. Or let us say hypothetically that someone commits some abusive harassment within an organizational element using some position of power over someone it would be committing a negativity to raise or consider that situation for the negativity that it should engage. Organizationally it would might even be communally better from a spiritual energetic standpoint as to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to extend this teaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity from an element organization; could be created by simply removing complainant who got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility of widely entertaining such negativity altogether in the group. Never do we entertain negativity and never do we denounce anyone. Hamstrung? -Buck # # fleetwood_macncheese wrote : Yep, well said. There is nothing better to do; nothing more challenging, and nothing more rewarding. Jai Guru Dev, Buck. Really a Salient point, Fleet. Evolving gradients of transformational field effect in reality. Is one thing (CC) as for your self and then to another level ascending towards spiritual trans-formative effect in well-being on others whence Being rises to being saintly in field effect. Is a wonderfully human spiritual sociology and worthy to aspire towards in a lifetime. JaiGuruDev, -Buck fleetwood_macncheese wrote : Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Yes, it is the stress, speaking. The ironic thing is, only TM can reach deeply enough, and impersonally enough, to untwist such stresses. The other thing to be aware of, is what may lie beneath the whipping boy of TM or Maharishi? Oftentimes, the ego will choose a target, an enemy, and hinges a lot of convenient stories to that, as a distraction from what is going on in real life, or to avoid dealing with memories that contradict one's egocentric view of oneself. So what we hear, through these endlessly redundant and negative stories, are the cries of frustration, from the souls trapped by them. Only by effortlessly contacting Being, and transcending, to eventually establish oneself in Being, in silence, in bliss, can these stresses be resolved. Even then, the naturally inertial (tamasic) aspect of physical existence, makes it easy for stresses to lodge in the physiology, during an active and creative life, even for an enlightened person, and so TM (2x20) continues. “..speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation.” So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on the subtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Dear FFL, Culturally this particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching on negativity is really important. It did not just show up here. And so accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDB here having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protect what they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they had experienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so they seem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories even years later does this not continue to bring on them their own negativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teaching here their own loops in negativity are not really good for these guys. It would be more
[FairfieldLife] netherlands-becomes-first-country-to-use-solar-panel-roads
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yeah, I have probably fought it more often than not, when it is time to meditate. And that has been going on for almost 40 years! Nonetheless, I use what little self discipline I have, to persevere. Re the deer, yes, I am working on a personal relationship, not to convince them that all humans are a-ok. Good man. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : That is cool -- I don't enjoy the experience of sleeping or dreaming, as much as I do being active. If I could just remain active 24x7, that would be my preference. My attitude often when I become aware of a dream, is, Oh God, let's get it done with, so I can finish the sleep thing, and wake up soon! Good Morning!! HA! I can relate but the dreaming for me is like a licence to do all sorts of things I don't have access to in waking life and there are just such interesting things that happen in dreams. (Interesting only to the dreamer, there is nothing more boring than listening to other people's dreams.) So I like to dream but, as you know, I also love activity that's why I am such a poor candidate for meditation. ;-) PS just a comment on the deer. You might not want to get them to trust you too much. It could mean a death sentence for them later. Not everyone is as safe as you are and they might pull a gun instead of a camera.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
On 11/16/2014 9:50 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, thanks for posting this. I didn't know that such ideas were found in some ancient literature. /According to the Book of Genesis man was created by God for the purpose of working on a fruit farm./ /The Book of Genesis, based on ideas contained in the Sumerian religion, describes an advanced society, which flourished around 3500 B.C. Like other ancient societies, the Sumerians left records stating that human-like creatures of extraterrestrial origin had ruled early human society as Earth's first monarchs. Those alien people were often thought of as gods./ And if it is true about our being enslaved, etc. again my question is: what is the action step? /The question is, are extraterrestrial aliens posing as the Gods for a custodial race? //The idea that human beings are a slave race, forced to work inside a human body, owned and operated by an alien or extraterrestrial society. / And by action step I'm including thoughts and feelings. IOW, whether you are a slave or not, how do you choose right here and now, to think and feel? ///Some people believe that a Supreme Being is behind the vicious Machiavellian intentions described in the Bible. However, the idea that a Custodial race posing as a Supreme Being seems to provide a true breakthrough by pointing to a brutal technological society, not a Supreme Being, as the more likely source of such warlike machinations.// // //Work Cited:// // //Bramley, William. *The Gods of Eden.* New York: Avon. 1993./ *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2014 8:06 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs On 11/15/2014 3:25 PM, Share Long wrote: As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: /The idea that human beings are a slave race, forced to work inside a human body, owned and operated by an alien or extraterrestrial society, is not new. This was mentioned in the Sumerian and Judaic literature. If true, this impacts our life in every way, every single day: we in fact have no free will, we are all ///working on a fruit farm for nothing/. Our day off will be when we die. But even then, according to Barry, we will have to spend a few more days in the Tibetan Bardo, in order to be reborn on another farm. Read more: /*/Alien Agenda/*/ //by Jim Marrs // //Harper, 2000/ *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-) It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret. But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. Even testing soil damage and skin burns for alternative causes. People are being scientific about UFO's. But here's the thing you overlook in your quip, I've been interested in UFO's for as long as I remember, I've a got a shelf full of the classic books on the subject. Even the true believer stuff from serious researchers like Timothy Good and the abductionists like Bud Hopkins. I bet I know all the great encounters by heart - Cortile, Ramirez, Roswell, Pascagoula, Ilkley Moor, Rendlesham... I love it but I don't take it at face value. To me, UFO's are folklore in action. The evolving myth of abduction and what they are supposedly doing here are the legends of our time, a new religion, encapsulating our fears about technology and promising us freedom from our
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Seems Richard has managed to push the buttons of the Turq big-time, no matter how much he claims never to read any of his posts :-) On 11/16/2014 6:56 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I'll bet my Sunday lunch that the only reason Turq saw that comment by Willytex is because you commented on it. /I'd be willing to wager that Turq reads every single one of my posts almost every day.//If he in fact does not, then that only proves he is prejudiced, just like you are - calling me Willytex - everyone already knows my real name - you just proved my point./ It's the only reason I saw it too. Man, I'd hate to spend so much time online and to discover I'd been so ineffective for so many years... /So, now that I've got your attention - have you ever witnessed anyone levitate slowly up off of a sofa and then fly around two inches off the floor for awhile? Just be honest. Thanks./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */Willytex can continue to remind people of anything he fuckin' wants...it doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made several *thousand* posts about it. /* */ /* */Compare and contrast against the claim made by Nabby several times on this forum that *HE* has levitated, hanging in the air for long periods of time. There is no one on Earth who doesn't find that laughable. :-) /* *//* */As for Curtis, I doubt seriously that he has ever suggested that *perception* is not different in different states of consciousness, only that *reality* probably isn't. Nabby wouldn't make that distinction because quite frankly he doesn't understand the difference. As with his claims to have personally levitated (which he has been unable to provide proof for or find anyone to substantiate), he seems to believe that if he experienced or perceived something, that *is* reality. /* */ /* */I suspect that both Curtis and I would agree that anyone who believes this is delusional. Even if you don't bother factoring in the fact that Nabby also believes in little green men whose idea of fun is stomping patterns in fields of wheat to show how advanced and intelligent they are. :-)/* *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:47 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, one of these days he'll even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one! Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to reply to Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. /And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances./ - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
Jim, when you say objectively, can you elaborate on that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : ...a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine - LOL - yes, he is quite the cranky old fundamentalist, isn't he? Glad you enjoy reading my experiences, Steve, and yes, they are mine...subjectively, and objectively. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Again, what am I missing? A large part of Barry's content here, is reminding, (okay, usually yelling at) people, that their subjective experiences don't mean anything. They are just their own, subjective experiences. And most people accept that. Or at least the part that they are their own subjective experiences. So, when Jim reports his experiences, I think they're pretty cool. But they are his experiences. So, according to Barry, we should be fawning over them? That would be a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine Barry, we are following the game plan. It's all good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Game, set, and match again, Curtis. Mr. Angry Little Enlightened Man has a history of doing stuff like this. Remember not long ago when he claimed that he wasn't stalking me on the Internet and then tried to prove it by finding a photo of me that he could only have found by stalking me on the Internet and posted it? What an ass clown. The only thing one needs to remember about Jim Flanegin to put him into perspective is that after all this time claiming to be enlightened (how long has be been doing it now...ten years?), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his claims. Not one. That's pretty pathetic, if only on the level of complete lack of charisma. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Did you just call a stranger on the internet a poopy pants? That is adorable. Who's my angry little man? You are, goochi goochi goo. Where's that smile. Come on, where is that smile Mr. Frowny Pants. There it is! I see it now. Smile for the bad, bad man whose words make you feel this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded, back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited, and unsuccessful, jerk. This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has convinced asshole Curtis, that it is. So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't be bad boys and girls. I am not sure what you mean by entertaining evil? Serving it drinks? After a few bourbons evil always gets grab-assy. I guess indulging in evil is doing evil things which is kind of obvious. Of course the people likely to hear and heed such a warning are not likely to be evil doers in the first place. The value of it is kinda thin practically speaking. And I am not sure what you mean by speaking evil. Buck is using it to mean anyone who states his disagreement with Maharishi's teaching, so I am not sure what standard is being invoked here. I think it is nicer to not be a dick to people, but that is more my preference from my upbringing than anything else. The reason people gossip is to check their social values allignement with other people in their tribe. It has a value which is why it is so popular. But it doesn't have anything to do with my discussions here. I am not gossiping about Maharishi when I present my POV on him and his teaching. What the phrase see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil implies is to put your head in the sand and ignore evil. This is Maharishi's
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Share, I think you make a great case for taking care of yourself (diet and exercise), getting enough rest, and if you feel tired in the afternoon, take a nap. I am on board with all of that. We are both welcome to our own interpretations of what part meditation plays in that. If it is something you value and enjoy it is none of my business. It was Maharishi's claim that I disagree with. I don't see any connection with what you said below with knowledge being different in different states of C. I suspect even at your most unsettled and unrested, if I asked you about something you know about, you would just answer me just as you do when you are feeling better. That is because your knowledge isn't different in different states of consciousness. That our variable feelings are different in different states would make a better case than about our knowledge being different. All we can say is that we feel better or worse at different times, and our body's state seems to affect this. The variable of how much consciousness I am experiencing at any one time seems like a very small variable among more important factors. How much I care about something is the biggest predictor of how rich my knowledge is and given something I care about, I will fight through any fatigue factor to do it as much justice as I can to a subject I care about. Again, we are just talking here. It is a great way to sort out thoughts isn't it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis and Steve, I'm also just thinking out loud, sort of fumbling around with all this. Because KISIC and KIDIDSOC always resonated with me as being true. They felt right. But it's also fun to try and reason them out as well. But as I said, I'm just fumbling around, exploring, also sort of playing with words and our accepted meaning of them. As I've said before, I don't really think in terms of higher and lower states of consciousness. I think of more developed brain states, meaning, more of the brain functioning in a very healthy way. Which I think would automatically be of benefit to the world. I'm assuming that if most of a person's brain was functioning in a very healthy way, then that is how they would behave. It seems like a reasonable assumption to me. More fumbling, but here's an example from my life and I'm not claiming any higher SOC. But I do know that when I'm rested, when my physiology is settled, I feel more in harmony with the people around me. And I treat them more positively. That's a major value for me, and I think for them too. OTOH, if I'm upset or distracted, I can't even be with them as completely, so my knowledge of them at that moment, is incomplete and therefore not as valuable for either of us in terms of living a rich human life. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I agree that there is some conflating here of mental abilities and knowledge. C: You mean by Maharishi in his examples, right? He started the comparison which you are labeling conflation. S: I think it is the typical apple/orange thing. The way the concept was presented by Maharishi was the obvious difference between waking, sleeping, and dreaming states of consciousness which we note in every day experience. C: That was another example he used. The clear and foggy, tired not tired example was also his. Of course saying that these are different mental states doesn't really make any practical case for how it might apply to our daily life which is why he needed to extend the example. Saying that our knowledge is different in deep sleep is a bit of a stretch because it is a state of zero consciousness. So it isn't that the knowledge is different as much as the knower is gone. In dreams we also have a very altered sense of self so there really isn't a parallel there either. It isn't that our knowledge, which is by his definition experience and understanding.The understanding part is missing because the experience is not organized as it is in waking state. So saying that these are different style experience does nothing to establish the principle he is attempting to establish, that knowledge is structured in consciousness. The best he does is to point out that to know anything we must be aware and to know specific things we must be aware of those things and be in a state of mind capable of that. Not exactly an enlightened news flash. C: But where it gets interesting is when you consider the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh states, and how knowledge is perceived or acquired, differently in those states. But, if you don't buy into the reality of those states, then it is easy to dismiss the theory. C:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
On 11/16/2014 6:44 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Seems Richard has managed to push the buttons of the Turq big-time, no matter how much he claims never to read any of his posts :-) /It's pretty easy to tell when Barry gets his buttons pushed - every time someone points out his cognitive dissonance. He has posted not a single PROOF of his subjective enlightenment experiences - in over nineteen years of posting to discussion groups and I think I've read almost everything he has ever posted to the internet. When I first started posting to Google Groups I was one of Barry's biggest fans and I even took up for him when Judy slammed him one time and called him a liar and a poser. I figured since we were both military brats from Texas we might have some common interests. But, he was so prejudiced and arrogant that I gave up and realized that Judy was probably correct in her assessment of his character. However, I also realized soon that Judy was just the flip-side of Barry - she hates me too. Go figure./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */Willytex can continue to remind people of anything he fuckin' wants...it doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made several *thousand* posts about it. /* */ /* */Compare and contrast against the claim made by Nabby several times on this forum that *HE* has levitated, hanging in the air for long periods of time. There is no one on Earth who doesn't find that laughable. :-) /* *//* */As for Curtis, I doubt seriously that he has ever suggested that *perception* is not different in different states of consciousness, only that *reality* probably isn't. Nabby wouldn't make that distinction because quite frankly he doesn't understand the difference. As with his claims to have personally levitated (which he has been unable to provide proof for or find anyone to substantiate), he seems to believe that if he experienced or perceived something, that *is* reality. /* */ /* */I suspect that both Curtis and I would agree that anyone who believes this is delusional. Even if you don't bother factoring in the fact that Nabby also believes in little green men whose idea of fun is stomping patterns in fields of wheat to show how advanced and intelligent they are. :-)/*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
On 11/16/2014 6:26 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Willytex can continue to remind people of anything he fuckin' wants...it doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made several *thousand* posts about it. /* Yeah, well, I don't really care what Barry thinks about me since he has never actually said anything of consequence except complain about Judy on internet newsgroups - as far as I can tell. He may be a good fellow tantric from Houston as far as I know. What he does or says means nothing to me; he's just a easy target for my jibes. Too bad he doesn't seem understand my dry sense of humor or see the irony. He doesn't even seem to enjoy getting his buttons pushed - that in itself tells us a lot about the guy. In reality, for all his chasing enlightenment for decades he has not a single witness or proof of any of his subjective experiences. All we have are his opinions. /I've experienced enlightenment many times. In my case, these were fleeting experiences, and they come and go, and furthermore, BFD. These experiences were very real to me, and I am comfortable with talking about them as if they were real. - /TurquoiseB / /http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg96217.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
On 11/16/2014 5:47 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times /Barry's reality is his perception, but he has no proof of his subjective experiences. How could he have any proof - it's all in his own subjective experience! / and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. /Curtis meditates on his music probably all day and all night./ It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. / The cognitive dissonance should seem pretty obvious, even to the casual reader. So, in fact there's no possible proof for Barry's subjective experiences and Curtis meditates most of the time and sings spirituals. So, where's the problem talking about the contradictions? Go figure./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, one of these days he'll even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one! Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to reply to Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. /And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances./ - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the brink of something called disclosure. We've been here before a few times as I recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, want there to be a reason and for there to be salvation from a higher power, whether it's alien or spiritual. We're talking deep human needs here. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-) It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret. But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. Even testing soil damage and skin burns for alternative causes. People are being scientific about
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Hi Share, I think I have probably lost my interest in unpacking KISIC and its corollary too much. I am willing to accept the premise of the seven states of consciousness. And as such, I will allow that from fourth thru seventh states, there are differences. I would say the reason I am willing to do so, is that I have observed my experience change over the past 40 years as I have embarked on a spiritual path. Now, the funny thing, is that I don't pay much, if any attention to any experiences I might have. But neither do I deny them, or do I feel a need to berate others for describing their experiences. Nay, I find them inspiring, just as I enjoyed hearing the experiences you related the last couple days. I also have derived inspiration from the Vedic/Hindu texts to which I have had exposure, although I have not really looked at anything in decades. As I understand it, the Buddhist texts, or Buddhist philosophy describe similar states So, in a sense I have been on auto pilot. To bottom line it, I believe that, as humans, the experience of realizing that the world around us, is just our self, is the ultimate reality. And so this this covers both KISIC and KIDIDSOC. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis and Steve, I'm also just thinking out loud, sort of fumbling around with all this. Because KISIC and KIDIDSOC always resonated with me as being true. They felt right. But it's also fun to try and reason them out as well. But as I said, I'm just fumbling around, exploring, also sort of playing with words and our accepted meaning of them. As I've said before, I don't really think in terms of higher and lower states of consciousness. I think of more developed brain states, meaning, more of the brain functioning in a very healthy way. Which I think would automatically be of benefit to the world. I'm assuming that if most of a person's brain was functioning in a very healthy way, then that is how they would behave. It seems like a reasonable assumption to me. More fumbling, but here's an example from my life and I'm not claiming any higher SOC. But I do know that when I'm rested, when my physiology is settled, I feel more in harmony with the people around me. And I treat them more positively. That's a major value for me, and I think for them too. OTOH, if I'm upset or distracted, I can't even be with them as completely, so my knowledge of them at that moment, is incomplete and therefore not as valuable for either of us in terms of living a rich human life. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I agree that there is some conflating here of mental abilities and knowledge. C: You mean by Maharishi in his examples, right? He started the comparison which you are labeling conflation. S: I think it is the typical apple/orange thing. The way the concept was presented by Maharishi was the obvious difference between waking, sleeping, and dreaming states of consciousness which we note in every day experience. C: That was another example he used. The clear and foggy, tired not tired example was also his. Of course saying that these are different mental states doesn't really make any practical case for how it might apply to our daily life which is why he needed to extend the example. Saying that our knowledge is different in deep sleep is a bit of a stretch because it is a state of zero consciousness. So it isn't that the knowledge is different as much as the knower is gone. In dreams we also have a very altered sense of self so there really isn't a parallel there either. It isn't that our knowledge, which is by his definition experience and understanding.The understanding part is missing because the experience is not organized as it is in waking state. So saying that these are different style experience does nothing to establish the principle he is attempting to establish, that knowledge is structured in consciousness. The best he does is to point out that to know anything we must be aware and to know specific things we must be aware of those things and be in a state of mind capable of that. Not exactly an enlightened news flash. C: But where it gets interesting is when you consider the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh states, and how knowledge is perceived or acquired, differently in those states. But, if you don't buy into the reality of those states, then it is easy to dismiss the theory. C: You can have had the experience of altered states without buying into them as higher states. If you have done heavy rounding you know that you can alter your mental functioning. What it means is the issue. And in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Hi Steve, I think being on auto pilot about all this is a great way to be. And sometimes it's fun to actually think about some of Maharishi's concepts that I simply have taken for granted for so long. Another experience I've been having recently fascinates me because it seems to be self contradictory: I'm both more spontaneous but less expressive. I think I'm doing emotional processing more on the inside, so that when I speak, my speech is more lively, more full of life force. But I'm not really expressing emotions. Does that make sense? It's a very different experience for me, feels very good. A friend said that after she had dinner with me, she felt that all the anger towards her SO was gone! That also made me feel really good. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Hi Share, I think I have probably lost my interest in unpacking KISIC and its corollary too much. I am willing to accept the premise of the seven states of consciousness. And as such, I will allow that from fourth thru seventh states, there are differences. I would say the reason I am willing to do so, is that I have observed my experience change over the past 40 years as I have embarked on a spiritual path. Now, the funny thing, is that I don't pay much, if any attention to any experiences I might have. But neither do I deny them, or do I feel a need to berate others for describing their experiences. Nay, I find them inspiring, just as I enjoyed hearing the experiences you related the last couple days. I also have derived inspiration from the Vedic/Hindu texts to which I have had exposure, although I have not really looked at anything in decades. As I understand it, the Buddhist texts, or Buddhist philosophy describe similar states So, in a sense I have been on auto pilot. To bottom line it, I believe that, as humans, the experience of realizing that the world around us, is just our self, is the ultimate reality. And so this this covers both KISIC and KIDIDSOC. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis and Steve, I'm also just thinking out loud, sort of fumbling around with all this. Because KISIC and KIDIDSOC always resonated with me as being true. They felt right. But it's also fun to try and reason them out as well. But as I said, I'm just fumbling around, exploring, also sort of playing with words and our accepted meaning of them. As I've said before, I don't really think in terms of higher and lower states of consciousness. I think of more developed brain states, meaning, more of the brain functioning in a very healthy way. Which I think would automatically be of benefit to the world. I'm assuming that if most of a person's brain was functioning in a very healthy way, then that is how they would behave. It seems like a reasonable assumption to me. More fumbling, but here's an example from my life and I'm not claiming any higher SOC. But I do know that when I'm rested, when my physiology is settled, I feel more in harmony with the people around me. And I treat them more positively. That's a major value for me, and I think for them too. OTOH, if I'm upset or distracted, I can't even be with them as completely, so my knowledge of them at that moment, is incomplete and therefore not as valuable for either of us in terms of living a rich human life. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I agree that there is some conflating here of mental abilities and knowledge. C: You mean by Maharishi in his examples, right? He started the comparison which you are labeling conflation. S: I think it is the typical apple/orange thing. The way the concept was presented by Maharishi was the obvious difference between waking, sleeping, and dreaming states of consciousness which we note in every day experience. C: That was another example he used. The clear and foggy, tired not tired example was also his. Of course saying that these are different mental states doesn't really make any practical case for how it might apply to our daily life which is why he needed to extend the example. Saying that our knowledge is different in deep sleep is a bit of a stretch because it is a state of zero consciousness. So it isn't that the knowledge is different as much as the knower is gone. In dreams we also have a very altered sense of self so there really isn't a parallel there either. It isn't that our knowledge, which is by his definition experience and understanding.The understanding part is missing because the experience is not
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed
The Chamber of commerce(small business), usually represented by Republicans,
want cheap labor. Democrats want cheap and dependent voters. The American
people want jobs and fewer people on government assistance which they pay for
out of their earned income. When illegals come here and undercut American
workers they end up living on government assistance in addition to their meager
checks. Employers should be required to use E-verify in order to verify
employees have a good SS# and thus only able to hire legal residents. That
would leave no excuse for hiring illegal aliens which should have a strong
penalty. The border can be secured with a good fence, electronic sensors and
aerial observation, including drones.
From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America,
revealed
Ooops - my mistake. As for the border being secured, that will never
happen. Never. Part of the problem is that agribiz and the hospitality industry
both take full advantage of undocumented workers, so on the one hand, they join
the patriots and call for secure borders, while on the other hand, they
ensure that corporate profits soar, on the backs of illegal labor. Hypocritical
BS, which both political parties are well aware of.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
25 Million? Please, Reagan granted amnesty to 2 million under the condition
that the border would be secured, which was never done under a democrat lead
house( Speaker Tip O'neal). That is why conservatives demand a secure border
*before* any talk of amnesty. If you can't secure the border, it becomes a
revolving door. Once you grant amnesty to those here illegally, their families
rush the border to be the next to get amnesty and the beat goes on.
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America,
revealed
The dude who started it was Reagan, granting amnesty to 25 million illegals.
Funny that now everyone sees it as a Democratic strategy.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means their
parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to join them here.
Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will then come. We might as well
annex Central America. They will be given social security cards and green cards
and have all access to every social program including Obama care( remember the
congressman calling Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?)
Black, teen and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise as will the
cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already being stretched beyond
their budgets to make accommodations, including cutting out sports teams, bands
etc.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America,
revealed
On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
Leave's out buy Americanassets for pennies on the dollar. Kos is
apparently notliberal enough or not too smart about economics. RandiRhodes
(now retired) used point that out all the time andI've been saying it for
years. Maybe it sounds tooconspiratorial.
Non sequitur. It's all about the economy andwhether or not you have a job and a
401k. The US doesnot have a shortage of workers. It has a shortage of jobs
-that's the important issue - the people have spoken.
The irresponsible immigration policy has created a surplus ofworkers. Illegal
alien amnesty will make that surplus muchworse. Legalize twelve million illegal
aliens and another twelvemillion will come.
http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb
On 11/15/2014 12:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
The 1980 Pledge. Things in TM did seem to change from about then to become a lot about some theocratic sense of fealty and a lot less as to merit and performance. Is noteworthy that the Saha Nav hymn was extracted up to become a normative organizational code of conduct as an oath then. C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. Quote from Upanishads, which was used in Vedic Atom Pledge (1980) Let us be together, Let us eat together, Let us be vital together, Let us be radiating truth, radiating the light of life, Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Culture: Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Such that within the culture of TM the TM negativity policy like with the TM Saha Nav Hymn for instance, if someone commits a larceny within an element of the organization then by the teachings it would be entertaining negativity to administratively examine that action in another person or within such element of an organization by others. Or let us say hypothetically that someone commits some abusive harassment within an organizational element using some position of power over someone it would be committing a negativity to raise or consider that situation for the negativity that it should engage. Organizationally it would might even be communally better from a spiritual energetic standpoint as to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to extend this teaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity from an element organization; could be created by simply removing complainant who got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility of widely entertaining such negativity altogether in the group. Never do we entertain negativity and never do we denounce anyone. Hamstrung? -Buck # # “..speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation.” So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on the subtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Dear FFL, Culturally this particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching on negativity is really important. It did not just show up here. And so accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDB here having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protect what they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they had experienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so they seem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories even years later does this not continue to bring on them their own negativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teaching here their own loops in negativity are not really good for these guys. It would be more better if they should be silent about these things of their past and not just keep dredging it up. They really should stop all this negativity for their own good and quite possibly also a larger collective good of everyone. Om, strike that last comment about the larger collective good for it seems that Maharishi (in 1964) actually was not talking about collective good or organizations in these early discourse but more specifically individual spiritual systems. I do hope that their apostate subtle systems may recover in field effect and come to some equanimity around their own individual time in TM. Sincerely, -Buck Maharishi on Negativity: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Neil Young don't like GMO's
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : McDonald's announced today that they will NOT be using GMO potatoes as was previously mentioned. My new BD player has the Asian Crush app on so I tried a movie there since I'm a big fan of their horror line. They run ads and guess who runs spots there? Monsanto. I find it hard to believe that McD's use actual real potatoes at all... On 11/16/2014 09:49 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Neil Young Boycotts Starbucks Over GMO Lawsuit Neil Young Boycotts Starbucks Over GMO Lawsuit Neil Young announced that he's boycotting Starbucks over the coffee company's involvement in a lawsuit against the state of Vermont. View on www.rollingstone.com Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
Thanks for the feedback - particularly Michael and Richard. Yes, utilising a lucid dream as part of one's spiritual growth - or at least to explore one's more subtle states of consciousness - sounds more promising than just escaping into another gratifying fantasy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
Thanks for the feedback - particularly Michael and Richard. Yes, utilising a lucid dream as part of one's spiritual growth - or at least to explore one's more subtle states of consciousness - sounds more promising than just escaping into another gratifying fantasy. Introducing my bija mantra while dreaming is an intriguing suggestion! It will be fun to see how it compares with a regular TM session.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Neil Young don't like GMO's
On 11/16/2014 11:49 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Neil Young don't like GMO's /Hey, Schmuck - the old geezer drug addict Neil Young, won't buy a $5 cup of coffee at the elite Starbucks in Hollywood, because he hates non-GMO milk in his coffee made from beans ripped off from some poor third-world farmers./ /LET'S GET REAL - THERE IS NO ORGANIC COFFEE AT MOST STARBUCKS!/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
The sleep paralysis is an interesting explanation. I do recall, though, (30 years ago), that she heard them on the stairs first and then they came into the room, described their big black eyes, and small form. Glad I didn't wake up. She didn't talk about it afterwards, and being such a traumatic experience for her, it wouldn't have been very considerate for me to ask her about it. We were not UFO buffs at all. Weird stuff, and like you say, maddeningly, never definitive. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I enjoyed reading about your serious consideration of UFO's. Purely going by logic, it doesn't make sense that we are the only living beings in the universe. However, I agree that many reports of UFOs are wishful thinking. True, we can't say whether we are the only intelligent beings in the universe - but it's a big place. This is the main problem. Just getting from wherever they are to here is such a monumentally enormous task and would take so long - even if you can get close to the speed of light - that it's vanishingly unlikely that any other life form could be here. And for them to be here just as we are becoming technologically aware is another stretch of credulity. But for them to be humanoid, capable of breathing our atmosphere and coping with our gravity! I have to say it does arouse major suspicions in me. It's not impossible though, it's just that we have no good evidence and plenty of better ways of explaining the evidence we do have. So I stay interested but sceptical. You tell a familiar story about your ex-wife though, and I have no reason to doubt the experience. I've got books full of similar recountings. But are aliens the best explanation for this? There have always been stories of people waking up paralysed and sensing a mysterious presence in the room. It's part of English folklore anyway. They used to call the creature the old hag, people would say it was terrifying as they couldn't breathe with this ghost thing was sitting on their chest. From the website of psychologist Susan Blackmore: The Sleep-Paralysis Experience In a typical sleep-paralysis episode, a person wakes up paralyzed, senses a presence in the room, feels fear or even terror, and may hear buzzing and humming noises, or see strange lights. A visible or invisible entity may even sit on their chest, shaking, strangling or prodding them. Attempts to fight the paralysis are usually unsuccessful. It is reputedly more effective to relax, or try to move just the eyes or a single finger or toe. Descriptions of sleep paralysis are given in many of the references already cited and in Hufford’s (1982) classic work on the Old Hag. I and a colleague are building up a case collection and have reported our preliminary findings. Perhaps alien abduction is our modern sleep paralysis myth. People have pointed out the similarities between abductions and sleep paralysis. The majority of the abduction experiences they studied occurred at night, and almost 60 percent of the intense reports were sleep related. Of the intense experiences, nearly a quarter involved symptoms similar to sleep paralysis. Cox (1995) divided his twelve abductees into six daytime and six nighttime abductions and, even with such small groups, found that the nighttime abductees reported significantly more frequent sleep paralysis than either of the control groups. I suggest that the best explanation for many abduction experiences is that they are elaborations of the experience of sleep paralysis. Imagine the following scenario: a woman wakes in the night with a strong sense that someone or something is in the room. She tries to move and finds she is completely paralyzed except for her eyes. She sees strange lights, hears a buzzing or humming sound, and feels a vibration in the bed. If she knows about sleep paralysis, she will recognise it instantly, but most people do not. So what is she going to think? I suggest that, if she has watched TV programs about abductions or read about them, she may begin to think of aliens. And in this borderline sleep state, the imagined alien will seem extremely real. This alone may be enough to create the conviction of having been abducted. Hypnosis could make the memories of this real experience (but not real abduction) completely convincing. Does it cover you ex's experience? I do not know but people have always had this experience and the interpretation into modern memes like aliens instead of creatures from folklore like goblins doesn't seem unrealistic. I remember Susan Blackmore had a go on a machine designed to recreate these experiences using some sort of brainwave stimulator. She was in a laboratory but still found the experience terrifying, paralysis and an awareness of a presence, she had the whole thing. Experiments like
Re: [FairfieldLife] Neil Young don't like GMO's
On 11/16/2014 2:09 PM, Bhairitu wrote: McDonald's announced today that they will NOT be using GMO potatoes as was previously mentioned. /Oh my Gawd - no non-GMO fried potatoes at McDonalds? What a bummer!/ My new BD player has the Asian Crush app on so I tried a movie there since I'm a big fan of their horror line. They run ads and guess who runs spots there? Monsanto. /You bought a Chinese-made BD player to watch horror movies, but you're complaining about American Monsanto running ads? This just might beat the other Barry in the cognitive dissonance prize. Go figure./
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Neil Young don't like GMO's
On 11/16/2014 04:14 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 11/16/2014 2:09 PM, Bhairitu wrote: McDonald's announced today that they will NOT be using GMO potatoes as was previously mentioned. /Oh my Gawd - no non-GMO fried potatoes at McDonalds? What a bummer!/ My new BD player has the Asian Crush app on so I tried a movie there since I'm a big fan of their horror line. They run ads and guess who runs spots there? Monsanto. /You bought a Chinese-made BD player to watch horror movies, but you're complaining about American Monsanto running ads? This just might beat the other Barry in the cognitive dissonance prize. Go figure./ Uh, Willy, there aren't any American made BD players. Go figure again.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed
If President Obama goes through with his plan to legalize 5 million jobless immigrants without Congress, he may find the government shut down in protest. This sounds like a last-ditch effort to get voters for the next U.S. Presidential election. If it backfires, there will probably be no Democratic Party in the Oval Office for a decade or more. Most American citizens do not want 5 million more unlawful immigrants on the welfare rolls at the expense of U.S. taxpayers - or taking jobs away from legal U.S. workers./ // //PORTLAND — The fate of a little-noticed ballot measure in strongly Democratic Oregon serves as a warning to President Barack Obama and his party about the political perils of immigration policy...// // /*Oregon immigration vote is a warning for Obama* Associated Press: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20141116/us-immigration-oregon-3fe495c4ab.html On 11/16/2014 4:11 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The Chamber of commerce(small business), usually represented by Republicans, want cheap labor. Democrats want cheap and dependent voters. The American people want jobs and fewer people on government assistance which they pay for out of their earned income. When illegals come here and undercut American workers they end up living on government assistance in addition to their meager checks. Employers should be required to use E-verify in order to verify employees have a good SS# and thus only able to hire legal residents. That would leave no excuse for hiring illegal aliens which should have a strong penalty. The border can be secured with a good fence, electronic sensors and aerial observation, including drones. *From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2014 8:58 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed Ooops - my mistake. As for the border being secured, that will never happen. Never. Part of the problem is that agribiz and the hospitality industry both take full advantage of undocumented workers, so on the one hand, they join the patriots and call for secure borders, while on the other hand, they ensure that corporate profits soar, on the backs of illegal labor. Hypocritical BS, which both political parties are well aware of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : 25 Million? Please, Reagan granted amnesty to 2 million under the condition that the border would be secured, which was never done under a democrat lead house( Speaker Tip O'neal). That is why conservatives demand a secure border *before* any talk of amnesty. If you can't secure the border, it becomes a revolving door. Once you grant amnesty to those here illegally, their families rush the border to be the next to get amnesty and the beat goes on. *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2014 6:33 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed The dude who started it was Reagan, granting amnesty to 25 million illegals. Funny that now everyone sees it as a Democratic strategy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means their parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to join them here. Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will then come. We might as well annex Central America. They will be given social security cards and green cards and have all access to every social program including Obama care( remember the congressman calling Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?) Black, teen and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise as will the cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already being stretched beyond their budgets to make accommodations, including cutting out sports teams, bands etc. *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Leave's out buy American assets for pennies on the dollar. Kos is apparently not liberal enough or not too smart about economics. Randi Rhodes (now retired) used point that out all the time and I've been saying it for years. Maybe it sounds too conspiratorial. /Non sequitur. It's all about the economy and whether or not you have a job and a 401k. //The US does not have a shortage
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
I guess it's like shooting the rapids, only maybe that implies too much thinking. But you aim for the v, and then let the current do the rest, with maybe some slight adjustments along the way. Okay, maybe some larger adjustments on occasion. But, overall it is a fun ride. And it is nice that you were able to have a silent, but positive influence on your friend. I think that's the way it works too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi Steve, I think being on auto pilot about all this is a great way to be. And sometimes it's fun to actually think about some of Maharishi's concepts that I simply have taken for granted for so long. Another experience I've been having recently fascinates me because it seems to be self contradictory: I'm both more spontaneous but less expressive. I think I'm doing emotional processing more on the inside, so that when I speak, my speech is more lively, more full of life force. But I'm not really expressing emotions. Does that make sense? It's a very different experience for me, feels very good. A friend said that after she had dinner with me, she felt that all the anger towards her SO was gone! That also made me feel really good. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Hi Share, I think I have probably lost my interest in unpacking KISIC and its corollary too much. I am willing to accept the premise of the seven states of consciousness. And as such, I will allow that from fourth thru seventh states, there are differences. I would say the reason I am willing to do so, is that I have observed my experience change over the past 40 years as I have embarked on a spiritual path. Now, the funny thing, is that I don't pay much, if any attention to any experiences I might have. But neither do I deny them, or do I feel a need to berate others for describing their experiences. Nay, I find them inspiring, just as I enjoyed hearing the experiences you related the last couple days. I also have derived inspiration from the Vedic/Hindu texts to which I have had exposure, although I have not really looked at anything in decades. As I understand it, the Buddhist texts, or Buddhist philosophy describe similar states So, in a sense I have been on auto pilot. To bottom line it, I believe that, as humans, the experience of realizing that the world around us, is just our self, is the ultimate reality. And so this this covers both KISIC and KIDIDSOC. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis and Steve, I'm also just thinking out loud, sort of fumbling around with all this. Because KISIC and KIDIDSOC always resonated with me as being true. They felt right. But it's also fun to try and reason them out as well. But as I said, I'm just fumbling around, exploring, also sort of playing with words and our accepted meaning of them. As I've said before, I don't really think in terms of higher and lower states of consciousness. I think of more developed brain states, meaning, more of the brain functioning in a very healthy way. Which I think would automatically be of benefit to the world. I'm assuming that if most of a person's brain was functioning in a very healthy way, then that is how they would behave. It seems like a reasonable assumption to me. More fumbling, but here's an example from my life and I'm not claiming any higher SOC. But I do know that when I'm rested, when my physiology is settled, I feel more in harmony with the people around me. And I treat them more positively. That's a major value for me, and I think for them too. OTOH, if I'm upset or distracted, I can't even be with them as completely, so my knowledge of them at that moment, is incomplete and therefore not as valuable for either of us in terms of living a rich human life. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I agree that there is some conflating here of mental abilities and knowledge. C: You mean by Maharishi in his examples, right? He started the comparison which you are labeling conflation. S: I think it is the typical apple/orange thing. The way the concept was presented by Maharishi was the obvious difference between waking, sleeping, and dreaming states of consciousness which we note in every day experience. C: That was another example he used. The clear and foggy, tired not tired example was also his. Of course saying that these are different mental states doesn't really make any
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed
Here's what's been bugging the hell out of me lately. You hear news people, or economists debating whether low oil prices are good for the country. Of course they are good for the everyday working American. The only entities they may not be good for are the big oil companies. Yes, I know low oil prices could be impediment to wean ourselves off fossil fuels, but there is a lot of momentum moving in that direction anyway. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : The Chamber of commerce(small business), usually represented by Republicans, want cheap labor. Democrats want cheap and dependent voters. The American people want jobs and fewer people on government assistance which they pay for out of their earned income. When illegals come here and undercut American workers they end up living on government assistance in addition to their meager checks. Employers should be required to use E-verify in order to verify employees have a good SS# and thus only able to hire legal residents. That would leave no excuse for hiring illegal aliens which should have a strong penalty. The border can be secured with a good fence, electronic sensors and aerial observation, including drones. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed Ooops - my mistake. As for the border being secured, that will never happen. Never. Part of the problem is that agribiz and the hospitality industry both take full advantage of undocumented workers, so on the one hand, they join the patriots and call for secure borders, while on the other hand, they ensure that corporate profits soar, on the backs of illegal labor. Hypocritical BS, which both political parties are well aware of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : 25 Million? Please, Reagan granted amnesty to 2 million under the condition that the border would be secured, which was never done under a democrat lead house( Speaker Tip O'neal). That is why conservatives demand a secure border *before* any talk of amnesty. If you can't secure the border, it becomes a revolving door. Once you grant amnesty to those here illegally, their families rush the border to be the next to get amnesty and the beat goes on. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed The dude who started it was Reagan, granting amnesty to 25 million illegals. Funny that now everyone sees it as a Democratic strategy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means their parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to join them here. Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will then come. We might as well annex Central America. They will be given social security cards and green cards and have all access to every social program including Obama care( remember the congressman calling Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?) Black, teen and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise as will the cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already being stretched beyond their budgets to make accommodations, including cutting out sports teams, bands etc. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Leave's out buy American assets for pennies on the dollar. Kos is apparently not liberal enough or not too smart about economics. Randi Rhodes (now retired) used point that out all the time and I've been saying it for years. Maybe it sounds too conspiratorial. Non sequitur. It's all about the economy and whether or not you have a job and a 401k. The US does not have a shortage of workers. It has a shortage of jobs - that's the important issue - the people have spoken. The irresponsible immigration policy has created a surplus of workers. Illegal alien amnesty will make that surplus much worse. Legalize twelve million illegal aliens and another twelve million will come. http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb On 11/15/2014 12:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: And it only takes up the top right corner of this cartoon from Daily Kos:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Neil Young don't like GMO's
On 11/16/2014 04:14 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 11/16/2014 2:09 PM, Bhairitu wrote: McDonald's announced today that they will NOT be using GMO potatoes as was previously mentioned. /Oh my Gawd - no non-GMO fried potatoes at McDonalds? What a bummer!/ My new BD player has the Asian Crush app on so I tried a movie there since I'm a big fan of their horror line. They run ads and guess who runs spots there? Monsanto. /You bought a Chinese-made BD player to watch horror movies, but you're complaining about American Monsanto running ads? This just might beat the other Barry in the cognitive dissonance prize. Go figure./ On 11/16/2014 6:17 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Uh, Willy, there aren't any American made BD players. Go figure again. /You got a cheap Chinese BD player at Fry's to play your single BD when you could have bought an OPPO Digital USA? Go figure./ http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=166790 https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : The sleep paralysis is an interesting explanation. I do recall, though, (30 years ago), that she heard them on the stairs first and then they came into the room, described their big black eyes, and small form. Glad I didn't wake up. She didn't talk about it afterwards, and being such a traumatic experience for her, it wouldn't have been very considerate for me to ask her about it. We were not UFO buffs at all. Weird stuff, and like you say, maddeningly, never definitive. I have had many sleep paralysis events and I hate them. It takes every ounce of will power to get out of them. Sometimes you think you have moved and woken up but then realize as you look around the room or actually think you have gotten out of bed that things are just a tad too different, a bit too strange so then you go back to realizing you're are still struggling to come awake and sometimes your eyes are half open and you see stuff in the room but you can't move and the dream world starts to move in again and if feels terrible. I remember very clearly in a little house my husband and I owned that when he used to get up very early to go to a job site about two hours away and I was still sleeping I would be lying there well after he had left and could hear very clear slow and measured footsteps in the hallway on the hardwood. It wasn't really scary but it was very, very clear and very audible. No one ever came into the room but I still swear either the house was haunted or... I don't know what. - -
[FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
sleep paralysis events, ah yes, I used to have them frequently, but no more. not sure why. never a comfortable thing. at least now, I think I have a better understanding of those mechanics ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : The sleep paralysis is an interesting explanation. I do recall, though, (30 years ago), that she heard them on the stairs first and then they came into the room, described their big black eyes, and small form. Glad I didn't wake up. She didn't talk about it afterwards, and being such a traumatic experience for her, it wouldn't have been very considerate for me to ask her about it. We were not UFO buffs at all. Weird stuff, and like you say, maddeningly, never definitive. I have had many sleep paralysis events and I hate them. It takes every ounce of will power to get out of them. Sometimes you think you have moved and woken up but then realize as you look around the room or actually think you have gotten out of bed that things are just a tad too different, a bit too strange so then you go back to realizing you're are still struggling to come awake and sometimes your eyes are half open and you see stuff in the room but you can't move and the dream world starts to move in again and if feels terrible. I remember very clearly in a little house my husband and I owned that when he used to get up very early to go to a job site about two hours away and I was still sleeping I would be lying there well after he had left and could hear very clear slow and measured footsteps in the hallway on the hardwood. It wasn't really scary but it was very, very clear and very audible. No one ever came into the room but I still swear either the house was haunted or... I don't know what. - -
[FairfieldLife] Nappy's Out to Lunch
I offer this video with the reminder that a few weeks back Nappy claimed all the changes in these areas were due to all the Purusha and yogic flyers in the area all these years. The video would seem to indicate the Marshy Effect actually works in the reverse of what the Movement claims. Ukrainian battle caught on camera | | | | | | | | | | | Ukrainian battle caught on cameraRussia has denied allegations that it has sent weapons inside Ukraine. CNN's Jim Sciutto reports. | | | | View on www.cnn.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
On 11/16/2014 9:00 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: ...a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine - LOL - yes, he is quite the cranky old fundamentalist, isn't he? Glad you enjoy reading my experiences, Steve, and yes, they are mine...subjectively, and objectively. /At one point in the conversation, I thought we had reached a peak in the display of Barry cognitive dissonance, but I was mistaken: On the other hand, I cannot expect anyone else to believe that these experiences had anything to do with enlightenment. And I don't. Also, I might interpret the experiences in my own way, but that doesn't mean that anyone else hearing them can't, and won't, interpret them differently. That they do so doesn't mean that they're attacking me, merely that they see things a different way, from another point of view./ - TurquoiseB http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg96217.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Again, what am I missing? A large part of Barry's content here, is reminding, (okay, usually yelling at) people, that their subjective experiences don't mean anything. They are just their own, subjective experiences. And most people accept that. Or at least the part that they are their own subjective experiences. So, when Jim reports his experiences, I think they're pretty cool. But they arehis experiences. So, according to Barry, we should be fawning over them? That would be a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine Barry, we are following the game plan. It's all good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */Game, set, and match again, Curtis. Mr. Angry Little Enlightened Man has a history of doing stuff like this. Remember not long ago when he claimed that he wasn't stalking me on the Internet and then tried to prove it by finding a photo of me that he could only have found by stalking me on the Internet and posted it? What an ass clown. /* */ /* */The only thing one needs to remember about Jim Flanegin to put him into perspective is that after all this time claiming to be enlightened (how long has be been doing it now...ten years?), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his claims. Not one. That's pretty pathetic, if only on the level of complete lack of charisma. /* *From:* curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Did you just call a stranger on the internet a poopy pants? That is adorable. Who's my angry little man? You are, goochi goochi goo. Where's that smile. Come on, where is that smile Mr. Frowny Pants. There it is! I see it now. Smile for the bad, bad man whose words make you feel this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded, back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited, and unsuccessful, jerk. This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has convinced asshole Curtis, that it is. So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't be bad boys and girls. I am not sure what you mean by entertaining evil? Serving it drinks? After a few bourbons evil always gets grab-assy. I guess indulging in evil is doing evil things which is kind of obvious. Of course the people likely to hear and heed such a warning are not likely to be evil doers in the first place. The value of it is kinda thin practically speaking. And I am not sure what you mean by speaking evil. Buck is using it to mean anyone who states his disagreement with
[FairfieldLife] FW: A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
FW: A Cultural Survey.. Never entertain negativity. Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. Dear friends, ..on a committee, the Shifting Cultural Attitudes Subcommittee for the Mental Health Alliance here in Fairfield I am working with a sub group of that committee, the Cultural Committee, on one particular area right now. Which is to understand the meaning of phrases that have become a part of our local culture here. There are phrases which mean many things to many here. Some of these meanings may have lead to an erosion in mental health. I have written this group as a smattering of a cross-culture living here to get your understanding of the phrase, Never entertain negativity. Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. Thank you, # # The 1980 Pledge. Things in TM did seem to change from about then to become some lot about some theocratic sense of fealty and a lot less as to merit and performance. Is noteworthy that the Saha Nav hymn was extracted up to become a normative organizational code of conduct in an oath then (1980). C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. Quote from Upanishads, which was used in Vedic Atom Pledge (1980) Let us be together, Let us eat together, Let us be vital together, Let us be radiating truth, radiating the light of life, Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Culture: Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Such that within the culture of TM the TM negativity policy like with the TM Saha Nav Hymn for instance, if someone commits a larceny within an element of the organization then by the teachings it would be entertaining negativity to administratively examine that action in another person or within such element of an organization by others. Or let us say hypothetically that someone commits some abusive harassment within an organizational element using some position of power over someone it would be committing a negativity to raise or consider that situation for the negativity that it should engage. Organizationally it would might even be communally better from a spiritual energetic standpoint as to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to extend this teaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity from an element organization; could be solved by simply removing complainant who got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility of widely entertaining such negativity altogether in the group. Never do we entertain negativity and never do we denounce anyone. Hamstrung? Proly was often best to not say anything living within the culture. Dare anyone call a spade a spade in TM? -Buck # # “..speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation.” So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on the subtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Maharishi on Negativity: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others Don't Speak Ill, Remain
[FairfieldLife] Re: Further to Curtis' question
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Thanks Ann. I found what you wrote and this article equally fascinating and helpful. From what you wrote I was struck by how your comments were shaped by your working relationship with horses. They are not your cuddle toys, you do shit together! Intricate split second, had-better-be-in-synch shit. It reminded me of how differently you get to know people when you work with them rather than socially. All sorts of stuff comes out you would never see out of that context. I admire your life choice of living with horses, the constant and consistent work that must be necessary for such a relationship to happen. Like people who work with working dogs, sled dogs or herding border collies, you have entered into a special relationship most of us don't know much about. I have friends who do a trick dog show and their daily dedication is unreal to me. (As is their ability to travel to shows with over a dozen dogs in a camper!) From the article I was struck with the discussion of how quickly they react to fear and the connection to autism in humans. I work with some of these kids and the skittishness can be spooky. But it made me think that perhaps his is also why horses are so great to work with. Not because you have gotten beyond the fear, although I'm sure emotionally that is charming, but because they ARE so quickly reactive to stimulus. It must sharpen your senses to a peak to keep up. I have read about how they pay so much attention to the environment that something different on a familiar trail can freak them out. What a way to have to see the world to anticipate issues. Do you scan the riding environment with this kind of focus? Detecting if something different in the ring will panic them? Every moment. When you walk in to their stall or paddock you need to warn them you are there if they are not looking at you. You need to assess how close you are to a wall or where the out is in any situation where you are in close quarters with a horse. When walking anywhere leading them you have to look ahead, be aware of what is behind you or about to be behind you and look to both sides and figure out how the individual you have in hand will react. The wind is the worst. They are already on high alert and at any moment things move or blow or come flying around and even when nothing actually comes loose blowing around they expect it will at any moment so very windy conditions is a tough one. This of course is instinctual because in windy conditions predators can be really, really sneaky. Having a trash barrel or new item show up in an arena you ride in every day can be a far bigger deal than showing up at a horse show with twenty barrels and all sorts of other stuff scattered around because the horse has no expectations of what belongs in the new environment but change a familiar environment and it can be cause for all sorts of reaction. So if you are on the back of a huge creature (you do dressage right?) and you are moving through intricate sequences of movement, your mind has to match the instant flickers of their shorter circuit wiring. It must be Zen as hell mentally. It must push every other thing out of your awareness, which I believe is the kind of flow state humans seek through many means. Riding a horse to a high level of the sport requires a 380 degree awareness and a focus as small as a pin simultaneously. It is mental gymnastics coupled with high intensity feeling as well as anticipation. I haven't really ever thought about it all until you started to ask me. I haven't broken it down in my mind in quite this way before. What I can tell you is that there is no other sport quite like it, although any kind of teamwork sport has aspects that are similar. What is different though is the harnessing of the animal's will and power to create a partnership made possible through the actual coupling of the rider and the horse. You get to be in physical contact with another species in order to borrow their speed, their athleticism for a short time. You become super human but you have to know how to make it work without the horse coming to begrudge you and ultimately resist you. I have a horse who is particularly keen to work and who is quite forgiving. He loves to learn and he is also quite affectionate. These are all qualities that should ensure success and if we fail I only have myself to blame. Anything more you care to say on this topic would be welcome and I'm sure I am not the only one who would enjoy it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : I just found this and thought you could give it a skim. It answers your question probably better than I did. http://horseandrider.com/article/whats-your-horse-thinking-13295 http://horseandrider.com/article/whats-your-horse-thinking-13295
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lucid-dreaming query
Re So for me, what worked to enable me to want to was lifting my own hands in front of my eyes and then focusing on them as I began to first touch items in the dream, and then gesture at them . . . change the entire dreamscape.: Thanks - I'll try that next time I happen to go lucid. Interesting that my experience follows the same pattern as your many, many experiences. Like you, although I have often had unpleasant dreams I've been glad to awaken from, I don't think I've ever had a full-on nightmare (not like the ones you see in movies in which the character awakens in a cold sweat). One aspect of lucid dreaming that alarmed me was the revelation of one chap who had spent time learning how to be a regular lucid voyager. He mentioned that he occasionally had night terrors - that scary state in which you are simultaneously awake but your body is paralyzed (the paralysis a natural defense mechanism to protect us during dreams so that we don't thrash around) and sufferers can often feel a demon or alien crouching on their chest. It sounded to me, from his narration, that he'd never experienced night terrors until he started trying to induce lucid dreams. A warning that we shouldn't mess with our natural routines . . ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Back when I was practicing Tibetan dream yoga (their version of lucid dreaming), I would have many, many experiences similar to the one you mention in the first paragraph. The tell was that upon waking (for real), I'd 1) remember the dreams and waking up in them with some clarity (as opposed to haziness that faded in a few minutes) and 2) then go back to sleep and go back into the *same* dream. My favorite such dream was once when I ran into some gnarly things trying to kill me in my dream. That *rarely* happened with me -- I think I can count the number of nightmares or bad dreams I've had in my life on the fingers of both hands -- but this one was pretty gnarly. Man-beasts of some kind were definitely trying to kill me, and it was *personal* (trying to assassinate *me*, as opposed to just killing everything in sight). I was running from them in the dream, just in survival mode because I didn't have any weapons to defend myself, and then decided that the best way to survive was to wake up. So I did. I found myself covered with sweat and still shaking a bit from the experience, but it was still the middle of the night and I knew what tended to happen when I'd go back to sleep after one of these lucid dreams, so I looked around my room and found the fake samurai sword (real Japanese, but lacking an edge because I used it in my Kendo classes and we tried not to kill each other there). I grabbed it, pulled it into bed with me, went back to sleep, and voila...found myself back in the same dream, with the same astral badasses still trying to get me. But now I had the sword. And in the dream it was a real sword, with a real edge. To quote W. C. Fields, I hacked my way through mounds of flesh and awoke refreshed. :-) I am far from the world's leading expert in lucid dreaming, and in fact don't try to practice it any more. If it happens, it happens; if it doesn't, I don't try to make it happen. But I do remember that the key to taking control in my lucid dreams always started by following Carlos Castaneda's advice of finding my hands. I'd be awake in the dream, meaning that there was a me witnessing everything, and then have a secondary wakening and realize that I could change things if I wanted to. So for me, what worked to enable me to want to was lifting my own hands in front of my eyes and then focusing on them as I began to first touch items in the dream, and then gesture at them. The gestures over time allowed me to change their color or nature or -- as you say -- change the entire dreamscape and go somewhere else. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the dreamscape to suit yourself. So you might find it amusing to flip over into being a Zero pilot on a kamikaze mission and diving into the Golden Dome in Fairfield. Whatever floats your boat.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Re It takes every ounce of will power to get out of them. : That was a nice coincidence: I just posted a msg on the lucid-dreaming thread about night terrors when I registered your discussion of sleep paralysis Though I've never had to suffer this state I understand that if you do have that experience you should *not* try to escape using your will power. On the contrary, you should just relax, let yourself go, and after a few moments try moving a finger. Making any effort only worsens the situation . . . didn't MMY say something like that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : The sleep paralysis is an interesting explanation. I do recall, though, (30 years ago), that she heard them on the stairs first and then they came into the room, described their big black eyes, and small form. Glad I didn't wake up. She didn't talk about it afterwards, and being such a traumatic experience for her, it wouldn't have been very considerate for me to ask her about it. We were not UFO buffs at all. Weird stuff, and like you say, maddeningly, never definitive. I have had many sleep paralysis events and I hate them. It takes every ounce of will power to get out of them. Sometimes you think you have moved and woken up but then realize as you look around the room or actually think you have gotten out of bed that things are just a tad too different, a bit too strange so then you go back to realizing you're are still struggling to come awake and sometimes your eyes are half open and you see stuff in the room but you can't move and the dream world starts to move in again and if feels terrible. I remember very clearly in a little house my husband and I owned that when he used to get up very early to go to a job site about two hours away and I was still sleeping I would be lying there well after he had left and could hear very clear slow and measured footsteps in the hallway on the hardwood. It wasn't really scary but it was very, very clear and very audible. No one ever came into the room but I still swear either the house was haunted or... I don't know what. - -
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
Persistence - One's identity associates with what lasts the longest. When pure awareness, not awareness of anything, but awareness of the source of everything, a current of deep silence, accompanies everything, while the 'everything' continuously changes, the identity shifts, after awhile, to that persistent pure awareness. We are no longer what we previously thought lasted the longest; job, family, thoughts, beliefs, or even physical life. We identify with pure awareness. We are pure awareness. This greatly eliminates the question of what is. It simply is. Pure awareness is the persistent reality. This being the case, there is no longer such a strong identification of what is mine, such an edifice built of 'me'. If there is not much me, how can there, then, be a strong not me? The idea, even the sense, of subjective vs. objective, no longer makes complete sense. However, even on the basis of all of this silence, my personality continues along, trying not to get me into too much trouble, though ever serving my Infinite curiosity. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jim, when you say objectively, can you elaborate on that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : ...a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine - LOL - yes, he is quite the cranky old fundamentalist, isn't he? Glad you enjoy reading my experiences, Steve, and yes, they are mine...subjectively, and objectively. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Again, what am I missing? A large part of Barry's content here, is reminding, (okay, usually yelling at) people, that their subjective experiences don't mean anything. They are just their own, subjective experiences. And most people accept that. Or at least the part that they are their own subjective experiences. So, when Jim reports his experiences, I think they're pretty cool. But they are his experiences. So, according to Barry, we should be fawning over them? That would be a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine Barry, we are following the game plan. It's all good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Game, set, and match again, Curtis. Mr. Angry Little Enlightened Man has a history of doing stuff like this. Remember not long ago when he claimed that he wasn't stalking me on the Internet and then tried to prove it by finding a photo of me that he could only have found by stalking me on the Internet and posted it? What an ass clown. The only thing one needs to remember about Jim Flanegin to put him into perspective is that after all this time claiming to be enlightened (how long has be been doing it now...ten years?), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his claims. Not one. That's pretty pathetic, if only on the level of complete lack of charisma. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Did you just call a stranger on the internet a poopy pants? That is adorable. Who's my angry little man? You are, goochi goochi goo. Where's that smile. Come on, where is that smile Mr. Frowny Pants. There it is! I see it now. Smile for the bad, bad man whose words make you feel this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded, back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited, and unsuccessful, jerk. This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has convinced asshole Curtis, that it is. So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't
[FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re It takes every ounce of will power to get out of them. : That was a nice coincidence: I just posted a msg on the lucid-dreaming thread about night terrors when I registered your discussion of sleep paralysis Though I've never had to suffer this state I understand that if you do have that experience you should *not* try to escape using your will power. On the contrary, you should just relax, let yourself go, and after a few moments try moving a finger. Making any effort only worsens the situation . . . didn't MMY say something like that? Maybe he did but if I lie there and do nothing and ride it out, so to speak, it will just continue for a long time and I hate wanting to come awake but my body won't cooperate! I start to get claustrophobic (which I'm not when awake) because I feel this lump of a body lying there and my brain very much wants to wake up but for some reason it requires the body to respond as well. It is like you are two people or it is the closest I could imagine to being a quadriplegic. - -
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
Great. Thank you for the reply. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Persistence - One's identity associates with what lasts the longest. When pure awareness, not awareness of anything, but awareness of the source of everything, a current of deep silence, accompanies everything, while the 'everything' continuously changes, the identity shifts, after awhile, to that persistent pure awareness. We are no longer what we previously thought lasted the longest; job, family, thoughts, beliefs, or even physical life. We identify with pure awareness. We are pure awareness. This greatly eliminates the question of what is. It simply is. Pure awareness is the persistent reality. This being the case, there is no longer such a strong identification of what is mine, such an edifice built of 'me'. If there is not much me, how can there, then, be a strong not me? The idea, even the sense, of subjective vs. objective, no longer makes complete sense. However, even on the basis of all of this silence, my personality continues along, trying not to get me into too much trouble, though ever serving my Infinite curiosity. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jim, when you say objectively, can you elaborate on that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : ...a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine - LOL - yes, he is quite the cranky old fundamentalist, isn't he? Glad you enjoy reading my experiences, Steve, and yes, they are mine...subjectively, and objectively. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Again, what am I missing? A large part of Barry's content here, is reminding, (okay, usually yelling at) people, that their subjective experiences don't mean anything. They are just their own, subjective experiences. And most people accept that. Or at least the part that they are their own subjective experiences. So, when Jim reports his experiences, I think they're pretty cool. But they are his experiences. So, according to Barry, we should be fawning over them? That would be a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine Barry, we are following the game plan. It's all good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Game, set, and match again, Curtis. Mr. Angry Little Enlightened Man has a history of doing stuff like this. Remember not long ago when he claimed that he wasn't stalking me on the Internet and then tried to prove it by finding a photo of me that he could only have found by stalking me on the Internet and posted it? What an ass clown. The only thing one needs to remember about Jim Flanegin to put him into perspective is that after all this time claiming to be enlightened (how long has be been doing it now...ten years?), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his claims. Not one. That's pretty pathetic, if only on the level of complete lack of charisma. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Did you just call a stranger on the internet a poopy pants? That is adorable. Who's my angry little man? You are, goochi goochi goo. Where's that smile. Come on, where is that smile Mr. Frowny Pants. There it is! I see it now. Smile for the bad, bad man whose words make you feel this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded, back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited, and unsuccessful, jerk. This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has convinced asshole Curtis, that it is. So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I
[FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
I think the common explanation (at least in esoteric circles) is that we leave our body during sleep, or perhaps at different times during sleep. And I suppose we sometimes wake up before we fully enter our body again. That's what makes sense to me now, but I can't say that I experience that happening. I am surmising that this is what happens. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re It takes every ounce of will power to get out of them. : That was a nice coincidence: I just posted a msg on the lucid-dreaming thread about night terrors when I registered your discussion of sleep paralysis Though I've never had to suffer this state I understand that if you do have that experience you should *not* try to escape using your will power. On the contrary, you should just relax, let yourself go, and after a few moments try moving a finger. Making any effort only worsens the situation . . . didn't MMY say something like that? Maybe he did but if I lie there and do nothing and ride it out, so to speak, it will just continue for a long time and I hate wanting to come awake but my body won't cooperate! I start to get claustrophobic (which I'm not when awake) because I feel this lump of a body lying there and my brain very much wants to wake up but for some reason it requires the body to respond as well. It is like you are two people or it is the closest I could imagine to being a quadriplegic. - -
[FairfieldLife] Phantasmagoria: The Visions of Lewis Carroll
This could be a complete shambles - or it could be fantastic. Phantasmagoria: The Visions of Lewis Carroll is a planned fantasy-horror film by Marilyn Manson that has been in development since 2004! Directed by Marilyn Manson it stars Marilyn as Lewis Carroll, English model Lily Cole as Alice, Evan Rachel Wood as Alice's alter ego and British actress Tilda Swinton as Lewis Carroll's dream wife (the real Lewis Carroll never married). The trailer is adult and avant-garde. I hope Marilyn gets to finish it. Prepare yourself . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsnVN6QnW-4amp;list=FLJad8vN225Nr5hDIzlEOYMAamp;index=5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsnVN6QnW-4amp;list=FLJad8vN225Nr5hDIzlEOYMAamp;index=5
