Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

This ignores the fact that when Benson asked the Dalai Lama for an intro to 
BUddhist practitioners of levitation, all he got were people hopping like a 
frog. 

 But Buddhist Hopping Like a Frog is special, while TM Hopping Like a Frog 
isn't.
 

 It's always amusing to see people bring up issues that it is obvious they are 
guilty of and accuse someone else of being guilty of that same thing.
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So now you're saying that the Yogic Flyers aren't really "hopping like a frog?"
 

 Forget all that. My new guru has taught me that walking fast is the first 
stage in running through the light barrier. I'm just going to huff and puff to 
the cafe and test it out. 
 

 Just think, one day I'll get there before my grandfather was born. I wonder 
what the future will be like, disappointing maybe?
 









 I just can't participate in any of this any more...it's just too embarrassing 
for Lawson. I mean, here is a guy who has never in his life had the curiosity 
to even *try* some other form of meditation other than TM, and he's trying to 
sell the pseudo-science that was created to keep him believing that TM was the 
"best" form of meditation. It's like someone waving their kindergarten coloring 
book at you and claiming it's the most advanced textbook on physics ever 
written.   

 

 I love how convinced he is about it. Probably got that from Marshy, he always 
sounded like he knew what he was talking about just because he seemed convinced 
himself. 
 

 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

So now you're saying that the Yogic Flyers aren't really "hopping like a frog?"
Forget all that. My new guru has taught me that walking fast is the first stage 
in running through the light barrier. I'm just going to huff and puff to the 
cafe and test it out. 
Just think, one day I'll get there before my grandfather was born. I wonder 
what the future will be like, disappointing maybe?


I just can't participate in any of this any more...it's just too embarrassing 
for Lawson. I mean, here is a guy who has never in his life had the curiosity 
to even *try* some other form of meditation other than TM, and he's trying to 
sell the pseudo-science that was created to keep him believing that TM was the 
"best" form of meditation. It's like someone waving their kindergarten coloring 
book at you and claiming it's the most advanced textbook on physics ever 
written.   

I love how convinced he is about it. Probably got that from Marshy, he always 
sounded like he knew what he was talking about just because he seemed convinced 
himself. 

Lawson is IMO a perfect example of the reason the TMO does "research." Contrary 
to popular opinion, the research is NOT done to convince non-meditators of the 
efficacy of the meditation technique in order to sell TM to more new people. 

Nay, IMO the research is for the *existing* TMers who have been doing it for 
years *without any real experiences to speak of*. Unwilling to face this fact 
and maybe try some other technique that might actually deliver on its promises, 
they cling to the "research" and believe that if *others* are experiencing all 
of this cool stuff, then they should keep on keepin' on themselves. The TM 
"research" is to hold on to the organization's "base" and keep them following 
the carrot.  


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

 Interesting perspective, and there may be some truth to it.
 

 

 L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 













 Lawson is IMO a perfect example of the reason the TMO does "research." 
Contrary to popular opinion, the research is NOT done to convince 
non-meditators of the efficacy of the meditation technique in order to sell TM 
to more new people. 

 

 Nay, IMO the research is for the *existing* TMers who have been doing it for 
years *without any real experiences to speak of*. Unwilling to face this fact 
and maybe try some other technique that might actually deliver on its promises, 
they cling to the "research" and believe that if *others* are experiencing all 
of this cool stuff, then they should keep on keepin' on themselves. The TM 
"research" is to hold on to the organization's "base" and keep them following 
the carrot.  

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So now you're saying that the Yogic Flyers aren't really "hopping like a frog?"
 

 Forget all that. My new guru has taught me that walking fast is the first 
stage in running through the light barrier. I'm just going to huff and puff to 
the cafe and test it out. 
 

 Just think, one day I'll get there before my grandfather was born. I wonder 
what the future will be like, disappointing maybe?
 









 I just can't participate in any of this any more...it's just too embarrassing 
for Lawson. I mean, here is a guy who has never in his life had the curiosity 
to even *try* some other form of meditation other than TM, and he's trying to 
sell the pseudo-science that was created to keep him believing that TM was the 
"best" form of meditation. It's like someone waving their kindergarten coloring 
book at you and claiming it's the most advanced textbook on physics ever 
written.   

 

 I love how convinced he is about it. Probably got that from Marshy, he always 
sounded like he knew what he was talking about just because he seemed convinced 
himself. 
 













 Lawson is IMO a perfect example of the reason the TMO does "research." 
Contrary to popular opinion, the research is NOT done to convince 
non-meditators of the efficacy of the meditation technique in order to sell TM 
to more new people. 

 

 Nay, IMO the research is for the *existing* TMers who have been doing it for 
years *without any real experiences to speak of*. Unwilling to face this fact 
and maybe try some other technique that might actually deliver on its promises, 
they cling to the "research" and believe that if *others* are experiencing all 
of this cool stuff, then they should keep on keepin' on themselves. The TM 
"research" is to hold on to the organization's "base" and keep them following 
the carrot.  

 

 Let's not forget its power as advertising. Everyone knows science carries 
weight so being able to say you have 4000 studies published in 750 peer 
reviewed journals is a big help with the apparent credibility. No matter how 
well or not it stands up, and a lot of it is crap. Some of the newer stuff is 
better but they make unreasonable claims for it and even had to be told to stop 
using some results from the AMA because they simply weren't true.
 

 They totally blew it when they tried to stop non-accredited TM teachers from 
using the same research in their literature though. What happened about that I 
wonder?
 

[FairfieldLife] India

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

# 10 is the most interesting and telling about the Land of the Veda.
10 things you might not know about India
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Re: [FairfieldLife] India

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Most definitely! Just common sense for TMers. Love those plastic chairs. Back 
in the 70's everybody sat on the ground or a wooden cot, strung with woven jute 
string.
   From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife  
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 6:43 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] India
   
    # 10 is the most interesting and telling about the Land of the Veda.
10 things you might not know about India
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart Association 
report that said that TM was (and still is two years later, even after 
revisions) the only form of meditation that the AHA says can be recommended by 
doctors for the treatment of hypertension is now pretty good friends with 
Robert Schneider, has appeared on the same stage with him, and has announced 
that he is doing his own study on TM and hypertension. 

 He's also recently published an article discussing when to recommend 
alternative therapies for hypertension.
 

 When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High 
Blood Pressure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 
 
 When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High 
Blood ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 1. Am J Med. 2015 Jan 30. 
pii: S0002-9343(15)00079-0. doi: 10.1016/j.amjmed.2014.12.029. [Epub ahead of 
print] 
 
 
 
 View on www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 


 

 When discussing TM research in a formal response to Robert Schneider's request 
for an upgrade to the AHA's evaluation of TM, he politely refused but said:
 

  We do agree that TM is unique in the robustness and quality of evidence among 
meditation techniques for BP-lowering

 

 http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/62/6/e43.full 
http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/62/6/e43.full

 

 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
 Let's not forget its power as advertising. Everyone knows science carries 
weight so being able to say you have 4000 studies published in 750 peer 
reviewed journals is a big help with the apparent credibility. No matter how 
well or not it stands up, and a lot of it is crap. Some of the newer stuff is 
better but they make unreasonable claims for it and even had to be told to stop 
using some results from the AMA because they simply weren't true.
 

 They totally blew it when they tried to stop non-accredited TM teachers from 
using the same research in their literature though. What happened about that I 
wonder?
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart Association 
report that said that TM was (and still is two years later, even after 
revisions) the only form of meditation that the AHA says can be recommended by 
doctors for the treatment of hypertension is now pretty good friends with 
Robert Schneider, has appeared on the same stage with him, and has announced 
that he is doing his own study on TM and hypertension. 

 He's also recently published an article discussing when to recommend 
alternative therapies for hypertension.
 

 When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High 
Blood Pressure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 
 
 When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High 
Blood ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 1. Am J Med. 2015 Jan 30. 
pii: S0002-9343(15)00079-0. doi: 10.1016/j.amjmed.2014.12.029. [Epub ahead of 
print]


 
 View on www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320
 Preview by Yahoo 
 



 

 When discussing TM research in a formal response to Robert Schneider's request 
for an upgrade to the AHA's evaluation of TM, he politely refused but said:
 

  We do agree that TM is unique in the robustness and quality of evidence among 
meditation techniques for BP-lowering

 

 But not as good as squeezing a rubber ball for 10 minutes I seem to remember.
 

 And that's the trouble really, using research like that to claim that TM is 
the best thing for something when it isn't.
 

 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
 Let's not forget its power as advertising. Everyone knows science carries 
weight so being able to say you have 4000 studies published in 750 peer 
reviewed journals is a big help with the apparent credibility. No matter how 
well or not it stands up, and a lot of it is crap. Some of the newer stuff is 
better but they make unreasonable claims for it and even had to be told to stop 
using some results from the AMA because they simply weren't true.
 

 They totally blew it when they tried to stop non-accredited TM teachers from 
using the same research in their literature though. What happened about that I 
wonder?
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Did you miss that the AHA accepted, without dispute, the claim that TM reduces 
DEATH by 48% over 5 years in Black Americans with cardiac disease? 

 Ball-squeezing may have more effect on BP, but TM's effects on overall 
mortality go beyond simple lowering of BP.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart Association 
report that said that TM was (and still is two years later, even after 
revisions) the only form of meditation that the AHA says can be recommended by 
doctors for the treatment of hypertension is now pretty good friends with 
Robert Schneider, has appeared on the same stage with him, and has announced 
that he is doing his own study on TM and hypertension. 

 He's also recently published an article discussing when to recommend 
alternative therapies for hypertension.
 

 When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High 
Blood Pressure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 
 
 When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High 
Blood ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 1. Am J Med. 2015 Jan 30. 
pii: S0002-9343(15)00079-0. doi: 10.1016/j.amjmed.2014.12.029. [Epub ahead of 
print]


 
 View on www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320
 Preview by Yahoo 
 



 

 When discussing TM research in a formal response to Robert Schneider's request 
for an upgrade to the AHA's evaluation of TM, he politely refused but said:
 

  We do agree that TM is unique in the robustness and quality of evidence among 
meditation techniques for BP-lowering

 

 But not as good as squeezing a rubber ball for 10 minutes I seem to remember.
 

 And that's the trouble really, using research like that to claim that TM is 
the best thing for something when it isn't.
 

 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
 Let's not forget its power as advertising. Everyone knows science carries 
weight so being able to say you have 4000 studies published in 750 peer 
reviewed journals is a big help with the apparent credibility. No matter how 
well or not it stands up, and a lot of it is crap. Some of the newer stuff is 
better but they make unreasonable claims for it and even had to be told to stop 
using some results from the AMA because they simply weren't true.
 

 They totally blew it when they tried to stop non-accredited TM teachers from 
using the same research in their literature though. What happened about that I 
wonder?
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Which shows that the TM leaders and their medical shills like that jack-ass Bob 
Schneider are greedy for nothing less than a world wide endorsement of TM as 
the sovereign remedy to cure all society's ills and all man's diseases.
And a few other excerpts from the letter:
"About practicality, there is a marked difference between providing a treatment 
in a randomized controlled trial and referring unselected patients with 
hypertension for TM training in clinical practice. TM is also more expensive 
than other approaches ($1500), and access to certified training may be more 
limited. For example, the Cleveland area has only 2 listed sites covering a 
population of ≈2 million people 

We objectively and fairly presented the published data about the lowering of BP 
from TM. Its efficacy was indeed shown to be on par with some other alternative 
approaches when cross-comparing summary meta-analyses results (although few 
direct comparisons are available). We clearly stated that most approaches have 
modest efficacy (not just TM), and that patients requiring >10 mm Hg reductions 
should be monitored closely.  
TM was not invented to lower BP. We acknowledge that meditation techniques may 
offer numerous benefits to people. Nevertheless, we believe that existing 
limitations need to be addressed before revisiting a higher class of 
recommendation concerning TM for the sole purposes of managing high BP"
Had I been the doctor replying to Greedy Bob's request to mark TM as being the 
be all and end all of life, I would have concluded the letter by saying "Bob 
Schneider can kiss my ass, not on the left side and not on the right side, but 
right down the middle."
  
  From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
   
    In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart 
Association report that said that TM was (and still is two years later, even 
after revisions) the only form of meditation that the AHA says can be 
recommended by doctors for the treatment of hypertension is now pretty good 
friends with Robert Schneider, has appeared on the same stage with him, and has 
announced that he is doing his own study on TM and hypertension.
He's also recently published an article discussing when to recommend 
alternative therapies for hypertension.
When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High 
Blood Pressure. 
||
||   When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the 
Management of High Blood ...  1. Am J Med. 2015 Jan 30. pii: 
S0002-9343(15)00079-0. doi:10.1016/j.amjmed.2014.12.029. [Epub ahead of print]  
   ||
|  View on www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov  |Preview by Yahoo|
||

 

When discussing TM research in a formal response to Robert Schneider's request 
for an upgrade to the AHA's evaluation of TM, he politely refused but said:
 We do agree that TM is unique in the robustness and quality of evidence among 
meditation techniques for BP-lowering

http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/62/6/e43.full



L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :



Let's not forget its power as advertising. Everyone knows science carries 
weight so being able to say you have 4000 studies published in 750 peer 
reviewed journals is a big help with the apparent credibility. No matter how 
well or not it stands up, and a lot of it is crap. Some of the newer stuff is 
better but they make unreasonable claims for it and even had to be told to stop 
using some results from the AMA because they simply weren't true.
They totally blew it when they tried to stop non-accredited TM teachers from 
using the same research in their literature though. What happened about that I 
wonder?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the Letters 
to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced at the 
MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM. 

 Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the 
kind that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM 
*does* have a positive effect on BP.
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Which shows that the TM leaders and their medical shills like that jack-ass 
Bob Schneider are greedy for nothing less than a world wide endorsement of TM 
as the sovereign remedy to cure all society's ills and all man's diseases.
 

 And a few other excerpts from the letter:
 

 "About practicality, there is a marked difference between providing a 
treatment in a randomized controlled trial and referring unselected patients 
with hypertension for TM training in clinical practice. TM is also more 
expensive than other approaches ($1500), and access to certified training may 
be more limited. For example, the Cleveland area has only 2 listed sites 
covering a population of ≈2 million people 

 

 We objectively and fairly presented the published data about the lowering of 
BP from TM. Its efficacy was indeed shown to be on par with some other 
alternative approaches when cross-comparing summary meta-analyses results 
(although few direct comparisons are available). We clearly stated that most 
approaches have modest efficacy (not just TM), and that patients requiring >10 
mm Hg reductions should be monitored closely. 
 

 TM was not invented to lower BP. We acknowledge that meditation techniques may 
offer numerous benefits to people. Nevertheless, we believe that existing 
limitations need to be addressed before revisiting a higher class of 
recommendation concerning TM for the sole purposes of managing high BP"
 

 Had I been the doctor replying to Greedy Bob's request to mark TM as being the 
be all and end all of life, I would have concluded the letter by saying "Bob 
Schneider can kiss my ass, not on the left side and not on the right side, but 
right down the middle."

 
 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 
   In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart 
Association report that said that TM was (and still is two years later, even 
after revisions) the only form of meditation that the AHA says can be 
recommended by doctors for the treatment of hypertension is now pretty good 
friends with Robert Schneider, has appeared on the same stage with him, and has 
announced that he is doing his own study on TM and hypertension.
 

 He's also recently published an article discussing when to recommend 
alternative therapies for hypertension.
 

 When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High 
Blood Pressure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 
 
 When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High 
Blood ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 1. Am J Med. 2015 Jan 30. 
pii: S0002-9343(15)00079-0. doi: 10.1016/j.amjmed.2014.12.029. [Epub ahead of 
print]


 
 View on www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320
 Preview by Yahoo 
 



 

 When discussing TM research in a formal response to Robert Schneider's request 
for an upgrade to the AHA's evaluation of TM, he politely refused but said:
 

  We do agree that TM is unique in the robustness and quality of evidence among 
meditation techniques for BP-lowering

 

 http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/62/6/e43.full 
http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/62/6/e43.full

 

 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
 Let's not forget its power as advertising. Everyone knows science carries 
weight so being able to say you have 4000 studies published in 750 peer 
reviewed journals is a big help with the apparent credibility. No matter how 
well or not it stands up, and a lot of it is crap. Some of the newer stuff is 
better but they make unreasonable claims for it and even had to be told to stop 
using some results from the AMA because they simply weren't true.
 

 They totally blew it when they tried to stop non-accredited TM teachers from 
using the same research in their literature though. What happened about that I 
wonder?
 










 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

post the link to the mum speech please

  From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
   
    As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the 
Letters to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced 
at the MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM.
Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the kind 
that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM 
*does* have a positive effect on BP.

L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Which shows that the TM leaders and their medical shills like that jack-ass Bob 
Schneider are greedy for nothing less than a world wide endorsement of TM as 
the sovereign remedy to cure all society's ills and all man's diseases.
And a few other excerpts from the letter:
"About practicality, there is a marked difference between providing atreatment 
in a randomized controlled trial and referringunselected patients with 
hypertension for TMtraining in clinical practice. TM is also more expensive 
than otherapproaches($1500), and access to certified training may bemore 
limited. For example, the Cleveland area has only 2 listed sitescoveringa 
population of ≈2 million people 

We objectively and fairlypresented the published data about the lowering of BP 
from TM. Itsefficacy was indeed shown tobe on par with some other alternative 
approacheswhen cross-comparing summary meta-analyses results (although few 
directcomparisonsare available). We clearly stated that mostapproaches have 
modest efficacy (not just TM), and that patientsrequiring >10mm Hg reductions 
should be monitored closely.
TM was notinvented to lower BP. We acknowledge that meditation techniques 
mayoffer numerous benefits to people. Nevertheless,we believe that existing 
limitations need to beaddressed before revisiting a higher class of 
recommendation concerningTMfor the sole purposes of managing high BP"
Had I been the doctor replying to Greedy Bob's request to mark TM as being the 
be all and end all of life, I would have concluded the letter by saying "Bob 
Schneider can kiss my ass, not on the left side and not on the right side, but 
right down the middle."

  From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart Association 
report that said that TM was (and still is two years later, even after 
revisions) the only form of meditation that the AHA says can be recommended by 
doctors for the treatment of hypertension is now pretty good friends with 
Robert Schneider, has appeared on the same stage with him, and has announced 
that he is doing his own study on TM and hypertension.
He's also recently published an article discussing when to recommend 
alternative therapies for hypertension.
When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High 
Blood Pressure.
|  |
|  | When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management 
of High Blood ... 1. Am J Med. 2015 Jan 30. pii: S0002-9343(15)00079-0. 
doi:10.1016/j.amjmed.2014.12.029. [Epub ahead of print] |  |
| View on www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |



When discussing TM research in a formal response to Robert Schneider's request 
for an upgrade to the AHA's evaluation of TM, he politely refused but said:
 We do agree that TM is unique in the robustness and quality of evidence among 
meditation techniques for BP-lowering

http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/62/6/e43.full



L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :



Let's not forget its power as advertising. Everyone knows science carries 
weight so being able to say you have 4000 studies published in 750 peer 
reviewed journals is a big help with the apparent credibility. No matter how 
well or not it stands up, and a lot of it is crap. Some of the newer stuff is 
better but they make unreasonable claims for it and even had to be told to stop 
using some results from the AMA because they simply weren't true.
They totally blew it when they tried to stop non-accredited TM teachers from 
using the same research in their literature though. What happened about that I 
wonder?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the Letters 
to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced at the 
MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM. 

 Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the 
kind that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM 
*does* have a positive effect on BP.
 

 You're devoting a lot of time to this lost crusade Lawson, have you been 
banned from Reddit again?
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Which shows that the TM leaders and their medical shills like that jack-ass 
Bob Schneider are greedy for nothing less than a world wide endorsement of TM 
as the sovereign remedy to cure all society's ills and all man's diseases.
 

 And a few other excerpts from the letter:
 

 "About practicality, there is a marked difference between providing a 
treatment in a randomized controlled trial and referring unselected patients 
with hypertension for TM training in clinical practice. TM is also more 
expensive than other approaches ($1500), and access to certified training may 
be more limited. For example, the Cleveland area has only 2 listed sites 
covering a population of ≈2 million people 

 

 We objectively and fairly presented the published data about the lowering of 
BP from TM. Its efficacy was indeed shown to be on par with some other 
alternative approaches when cross-comparing summary meta-analyses results 
(although few direct comparisons are available). We clearly stated that most 
approaches have modest efficacy (not just TM), and that patients requiring >10 
mm Hg reductions should be monitored closely. 
 

 TM was not invented to lower BP. We acknowledge that meditation techniques may 
offer numerous benefits to people. Nevertheless, we believe that existing 
limitations need to be addressed before revisiting a higher class of 
recommendation concerning TM for the sole purposes of managing high BP"
 

 Had I been the doctor replying to Greedy Bob's request to mark TM as being the 
be all and end all of life, I would have concluded the letter by saying "Bob 
Schneider can kiss my ass, not on the left side and not on the right side, but 
right down the middle."

 
 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 
   In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart 
Association report that said that TM was (and still is two years later, even 
after revisions) the only form of meditation that the AHA says can be 
recommended by doctors for the treatment of hypertension is now pretty good 
friends with Robert Schneider, has appeared on the same stage with him, and has 
announced that he is doing his own study on TM and hypertension.
 

 He's also recently published an article discussing when to recommend 
alternative therapies for hypertension.
 

 When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High 
Blood Pressure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 
 
 When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High 
Blood ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 1. Am J Med. 2015 Jan 30. 
pii: S0002-9343(15)00079-0. doi: 10.1016/j.amjmed.2014.12.029. [Epub ahead of 
print]


 
 View on www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320
 Preview by Yahoo 
 



 

 When discussing TM research in a formal response to Robert Schneider's request 
for an upgrade to the AHA's evaluation of TM, he politely refused but said:
 

  We do agree that TM is unique in the robustness and quality of evidence among 
meditation techniques for BP-lowering

 

 http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/62/6/e43.full 
http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/62/6/e43.full

 

 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
 Let's not forget its power as advertising. Everyone knows science carries 
weight so being able to say you have 4000 studies published in 750 peer 
reviewed journals is a big help with the apparent credibility. No matter how 
well or not it stands up, and a lot of it is crap. Some of the newer stuff is 
better but they make unreasonable claims for it and even had to be told to stop 
using some results from the AMA because they simply weren't true.
 

 They totally blew it when they tried to stop non-accredited TM teachers from 
using the same research in their literature though. What happened about that I 
wonder?
 










 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

In practicality, That an availability is 'limited' through re-certified 
teachers, MJ in writing his usual mean and aggressive negativity here raises a 
valid point within it in offering these excerpts from the J. Am. Heart 
Association memo. 
 Limited availability is one thing, but further I also run in to a corollary 
fact that a general public also does not necessarily like going in to the Peace 
Palaces for learning TM. Possibly this is what the memo is also driving at. 
..Way too much carry-on baggage with TM. 
 

 From the J.AmHeart Association memo:
 “..TM was not invented to lower BP. We acknowledge that meditation techniques 
may offer numerous benefits to people. Nevertheless, we believe that existing 
limitations need to be addressed before revisiting a higher class of 
recommendation concerning TM..” 
 

 Evidently contact with the tru-believer re-certified side of the movement is 
too obviously odd, setting off cult-radar 'warnings' in many who may go near. 
This is a cultural thing. Though culturally modified the David Lynch Foundation 
side of TM is more extra-territorial or secular to the re-cert side or strict 
movement certified facilities that present a whole glossy panoply of TM Vedic 
things. The whole vedic thing evidently seems too much cult-like Scientology 
today as cult. That can evidently can be worked with as with the good work of 
the DLF.
 -Buck, a transcendent meditator in Fairfield, Iowa   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Which shows that the TM leaders and their medical shills like that jack-ass 
Bob Schneider are greedy for nothing less than a world wide endorsement of TM 
as the sovereign remedy to cure all society's ills and all man's diseases.
 

 And a few other excerpts from the letter:
 

 "About practicality, there is a marked difference between providing a 
treatment in a randomized controlled trial and referring unselected patients 
with hypertension for TM training in clinical practice. TM is also more 
expensive than other approaches ($1500), and access to certified training may 
be more limited. For example, the Cleveland area has only 2 listed sites 
covering a population of ≈2 million people 

 

 We objectively and fairly presented the published data about the lowering of 
BP from TM. Its efficacy was indeed shown to be on par with some other 
alternative approaches when cross-comparing summary meta-analyses results 
(although few direct comparisons are available). We clearly stated that most 
approaches have modest efficacy (not just TM), and that patients requiring >10 
mm Hg reductions should be monitored closely. 
 

 TM was not invented to lower BP. We acknowledge that meditation techniques may 
offer numerous benefits to people. Nevertheless, we believe that existing 
limitations need to be addressed before revisiting a higher class of 
recommendation concerning TM for the sole purposes of managing high BP"
 

 Had I been the doctor replying to Greedy Bob's request to mark TM as being the 
be all and end all of life, I would have concluded the letter by saying "Bob 
Schneider can kiss my ass, not on the left side and not on the right side, but 
right down the middle."

 
 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 
   In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart 
Association report that said that TM was (and still is two years later, even 
after revisions) the only form of meditation that the AHA says can be 
recommended by doctors for the treatment of hypertension is now pretty good 
friends with Robert Schneider, has appeared on the same stage with him, and has 
announced that he is doing his own study on TM and hypertension.
 

 He's also recently published an article discussing when to recommend 
alternative therapies for hypertension.
 

 When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High 
Blood Pressure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 
 
 When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High 
Blood ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320 1. Am J Med. 2015 Jan 30. 
pii: S0002-9343(15)00079-0. doi: 10.1016/j.amjmed.2014.12.029. [Epub ahead of 
print]


 
 View on www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644320
 Preview by Yahoo 
 



 

 When discussing TM research in a formal response to Robert Schneider's request 
for an upgrade to the AHA's evaluation of TM, he politely refused but said:
 

  We do agree that TM is unique in the robustness and quality of evidence among 
meditation techniques for BP-lowering

 

 http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/62/6/e43.full 
http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/62/6/e43.full

 

 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
 Let's not forget its power as advertising. Everyone knows science carries 
weight so being able to say you have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

You're aware that all TM teachers teach the same way, and more than likely some 
of the recerted teachers work for the DLF? 

 I mean, Bobby Roth goes to teh Hamptons and lectures to billionaires and is 
introduced on national TV as "Meditation Bob, meditation teacher to teh stars."
 

 

 You have more problem with TM teachers than other people it seems. Rupert 
Murdoch tweeted about learning TM last year, and numerous prominent people have 
learned TM recently without making a big deal about how  cultish the TMO is.
 

 And of course, both the current and a former Prime Minister of Japan are both 
TMers, having learned it from the head of the Japanese TM organization 25 years 
ago.
 

  It's really quite fascinating how uncomfortable people on Fairfield Life are 
with the idea that most people simply don't CARE about things like 5 minute 
initiation ceremonies, and the like.
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In practicality, That an availability is 'limited' through re-certified 
teachers, MJ in writing his usual mean and aggressive negativity here raises a 
valid point within it in offering these excerpts from the J. Am. Heart 
Association memo. 
 Limited availability is one thing, but further I also run in to a corollary 
fact that a general public also does not necessarily like going in to the Peace 
Palaces for learning TM. Possibly this is what the memo is also driving at. 
..Way too much carry-on baggage with TM. 
 

 From the J.AmHeart Association memo:
 “..TM was not invented to lower BP. We acknowledge that meditation techniques 
may offer numerous benefits to people. Nevertheless, we believe that existing 
limitations need to be addressed before revisiting a higher class of 
recommendation concerning TM..” 
 

 Evidently contact with the tru-believer re-certified side of the movement is 
too obviously odd, setting off cult-radar 'warnings' in many who may go near. 
This is a cultural thing. Though culturally modified the David Lynch Foundation 
side of TM is more extra-territorial or secular to the re-cert side or strict 
movement certified facilities that present a whole glossy panoply of TM Vedic 
things. The whole vedic thing evidently seems too much cult-like Scientology 
today as cult. That can evidently can be worked with as with the good work of 
the DLF.
 -Buck, a transcendent meditator in Fairfield, Iowa   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Which shows that the TM leaders and their medical shills like that jack-ass 
Bob Schneider are greedy for nothing less than a world wide endorsement of TM 
as the sovereign remedy to cure all society's ills and all man's diseases.
 

 And a few other excerpts from the letter:
 

 "About practicality, there is a marked difference between providing a 
treatment in a randomized controlled trial and referring unselected patients 
with hypertension for TM training in clinical practice. TM is also more 
expensive than other approaches ($1500), and access to certified training may 
be more limited. For example, the Cleveland area has only 2 listed sites 
covering a population of ≈2 million people 

 

 We objectively and fairly presented the published data about the lowering of 
BP from TM. Its efficacy was indeed shown to be on par with some other 
alternative approaches when cross-comparing summary meta-analyses results 
(although few direct comparisons are available). We clearly stated that most 
approaches have modest efficacy (not just TM), and that patients requiring >10 
mm Hg reductions should be monitored closely. 
 

 TM was not invented to lower BP. We acknowledge that meditation techniques may 
offer numerous benefits to people. Nevertheless, we believe that existing 
limitations need to be addressed before revisiting a higher class of 
recommendation concerning TM for the sole purposes of managing high BP"
 

 Had I been the doctor replying to Greedy Bob's request to mark TM as being the 
be all and end all of life, I would have concluded the letter by saying "Bob 
Schneider can kiss my ass, not on the left side and not on the right side, but 
right down the middle."

 
 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 
   In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart 
Association report that said that TM was (and still is two years later, even 
after revisions) the only form of meditation that the AHA says can be 
recommended by doctors for the treatment of hypertension is now pretty good 
friends with Robert Schneider, has appeared on the same stage with him, and has 
announced that he is doing his own study on TM and hypertension.
 

 He's also recently published an article discussing when to recommend 
alternative therapies for hypertension.
 

 When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High 
Blood Pressure. http://www.ncbi.n

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Ummm. You keep on posting and I keep on responding. 

 I'm posting positive stuff about TM here and on reddit.
 

 And who told you I was banned from the entire website?
 

 I'm co-moderator of /r/transcendental afterall.
 

 

 By the way, what makes you certain that 'tis a lost crusade?
 

 The fact that the DLF is negotiating with the United Nations concerning 
training UN workers to be TM teachers?
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the Letters 
to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced at the 
MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM. 

 Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the 
kind that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM 
*does* have a positive effect on BP.
 

 You're devoting a lot of time to this lost crusade Lawson, have you been 
banned from Reddit again?
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, MD by Maharishi 
University of Management http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook 
 
 http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook 
 
 TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, ... 
http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook Watch Maharishi University of Management's 
TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, MD on Livestream.com. 
MUM DISTINGUISH...
 
 
 
 View on new.livestrea... http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 post the link to the mum speech please

 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 
   As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the 
Letters to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced 
at the MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM.
 

 Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the 
kind that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM 
*does* have a positive effect on BP.
 

 L
 
 









 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I bet you will go to your grave as a TM apologist. 

You are highlighting one of the PROBLEMS with the TMO - they market to the 
millionaires to line their own pockets.

Few people give a rat's ass how many celebrities and big money people do TM.
Just do a bit of research to see what fuck heads the current and former 
Japanese prime ministers are. Like denying the existence of the Japanese 
comfort girls in WWII? And denying allegations of illegal funding to his 
political party. 



  From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 9:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
   
    You're aware that all TM teachers teach the same way, and more than likely 
some of the recerted teachers work for the DLF?
I mean, Bobby Roth goes to teh Hamptons and lectures to billionaires and is 
introduced on national TV as "Meditation Bob, meditation teacher to teh stars."

You have more problem with TM teachers than other people it seems. Rupert 
Murdoch tweeted about learning TM last year, and numerous prominent people have 
learned TM recently without making a big deal about how  cultish the TMO is.
And of course, both the current and a former Prime Minister of Japan are both 
TMers, having learned it from the head of the Japanese TM organization 25 years 
ago.
 It's really quite fascinating how uncomfortable people on Fairfield Life are 
with the idea that most people simply don't CARE about things like 5 minute 
initiation ceremonies, and the like.
L



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

In practicality, That an availability is 'limited'through re-certified 
teachers, MJ in writing his usual mean andaggressive negativity here raises a 
valid point within it in offeringthese excerpts from the J. Am. Heart 
Association memo.Limited availability is one thing, but further I also run in 
to acorollary fact that a general public also does not necessarily like going 
in tothe Peace Palaces for learning TM. Possibly this is what the memo isalso 
driving at. ..Way too much carry-on baggage with TM.
>From the J.AmHeart Association memo: “..TMwas not invented to lower BP. We 
>acknowledge that meditationtechniques may offer numerous benefits to people. 
>Nevertheless, webelieve that existing limitations need to be addressed 
>beforerevisiting a higher class of recommendation concerning TM..”
Evidently contact with the tru-believer re-certified side of themovement is too 
obviously odd, setting off cult-radar 'warnings' inmany who may go near. This 
is a cultural thing. Though culturallymodified the David Lynch Foundation side 
of TM is moreextra-territorial or secular to the re-cert side or strict 
movementcertified facilities that present a whole glossy panoply of TM 
Vedicthings. The whole vedic thing evidently seems too much cult-like 
Scientologytoday as cult. That can evidently can be worked with as with the 
good work of the DLF.-Buck, a transcendent meditator in Fairfield, Iowa   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Which shows that the TM leaders and their medical shills like that jack-ass Bob 
Schneider are greedy for nothing less than a world wide endorsement of TM as 
the sovereign remedy to cure all society's ills and all man's diseases.
And a few other excerpts from the letter:
"About practicality, there is a marked difference between providing atreatment 
in a randomized controlled trial and referringunselected patients with 
hypertension for TMtraining in clinical practice. TM is also more expensive 
than otherapproaches($1500), and access to certified training may bemore 
limited. For example, the Cleveland area has only 2 listed sitescoveringa 
population of ≈2 million people 

We objectively and fairlypresented the published data about the lowering of BP 
from TM. Itsefficacy was indeed shown tobe on par with some other alternative 
approacheswhen cross-comparing summary meta-analyses results (although few 
directcomparisonsare available). We clearly stated that mostapproaches have 
modest efficacy (not just TM), and that patientsrequiring >10mm Hg reductions 
should be monitored closely.
TM was notinvented to lower BP. We acknowledge that meditation techniques 
mayoffer numerous benefits to people. Nevertheless,we believe that existing 
limitations need to beaddressed before revisiting a higher class of 
recommendation concerningTMfor the sole purposes of managing high BP"
Had I been the doctor replying to Greedy Bob's request to mark TM as being the 
be all and end all of life, I would have concluded the letter by saying "Bob 
Schneider can kiss my ass, not on the left side and not on the right side, but 
right down the middle."

  From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart Association 
report that said 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

thank you - I'll check it out later today
  From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 9:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
   
    
TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, MD by Maharishi 
University of Management 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

post the link to the mum speech please

  From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the Letters 
to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced at the 
MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM.
Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the kind 
that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM 
*does* have a positive effect on BP.

L



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Actually, people DO pay attention to what billlionaires say and do.  

 They really DO set teh trends and fashions of society.
 

 And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth, it makes all 
sorts of headlines in business journals.
 

 How Meditation Makes Ray Dalio Feel 'Like A Ninja In A Fight' 
http://www.businessinsider.com/ray-dalio-2014-2 
 
 http://www.businessinsider.com/ray-dalio-2014-2 
 
 How Meditation Makes Ray Dalio Feel 'Like A Ninja In... 
http://www.businessinsider.com/ray-dalio-2014-2 Hedge fund billionaire Ray 
Dalio says he got into meditating 42 years ago because of 'The Beatles.'
 
 
 
 View on www.busines... http://www.businessinsider.com/ray-dalio-2014-2 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  
The GQ Guide to Transcendental Meditation 
http://www.gq.com/life/health/201309/gq-transcendental-meditation-guide 
 
 http://www.gq.com/life/health/201309/gq-transcendental-meditation-guide 
 
 The GQ Guide to Transcendental Meditation 
http://www.gq.com/life/health/201309/gq-transcendental-meditation-guide GQ 
addresses transcendental meditation. Should you cross your legs, close your 
eyes, and join in?
 
 
 
 View on www.gq.com 
http://www.gq.com/life/health/201309/gq-transcendental-meditation-guide 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 Could this be the key to success on Wall Street? Hedge fund billionaire Ray 
Dalio thinks so 
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/the-one-weird-practice-wall-street-bankers-swear-by-175231201.html
 
 
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/the-one-weird-practice-wall-street-bankers-swear-by-175231201.html
 
 
 Could this be the key to success on Wall Street? H... 
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/the-one-weird-practice-wall-street-bankers-swear-by-175231201.html
 A string of recent deaths within the banking world have brought global 
attention to the stressful conditions that financiers work in and around. Large 
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 Meditation grows popular at high-stress Wall Street firms 
http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/11/investing/meditation-wall-street/ 
 
 http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/11/investing/meditation-wall-street/ 
 
 Meditation grows popular at high-stress Wall Street firm... 
http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/11/investing/meditation-wall-street/ The David 
Lynch Foundation has been getting an increasing number of calls from Wall 
Street firms to come and offer its $1,000 intensive course on Transcend...
 
 
 
 View on money.cnn.com 
http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/11/investing/meditation-wall-street/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I bet you will go to your grave as a TM apologist. 

 

 You are highlighting one of the PROBLEMS with the TMO - they market to the 
millionaires to line their own pockets.

 

 Few people give a rat's ass how many celebrities and big money people do TM.
 

 Just do a bit of research to see what fuck heads the current and former 
Japanese prime ministers are. Like denying the existence of the Japanese 
comfort girls in WWII? And denying allegations of illegal funding to his 
political party. 

 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ummm. You keep on posting and I keep on responding.
 

 I wasn't complaining. I'm just impressed by the energy you put into it.
 

 I'm posting positive stuff about TM here and on reddit.
 

 Keep it up, it's fun.
 

 And who told you I was banned from the entire website?
 

 Where did I say you were? Or do I have to be so completely specific about 
everything?
 

 I'm co-moderator of /r/transcendental afterall.
 

 

 By the way, what makes you certain that 'tis a lost crusade?
 

 The fact that the DLF is negotiating with the United Nations concerning 
training UN workers to be TM teachers?
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the Letters 
to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced at the 
MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM. 

 Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the 
kind that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM 
*does* have a positive effect on BP.
 

 You're devoting a lot of time to this lost crusade Lawson, have you been 
banned from Reddit again?
 

 






 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

It's getting to be like a circus over here - informants can't even remember 
minutes later what they previously posted. LoL!
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 And who told you I was banned from the entire website?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Where did I say you were? Or do I have to be so completely specific about 
everything?

"You're devoting a lot of time to this lost crusade Lawson, have you been 
banned from Reddit again?" - salyavin 8:00 AM 3/30/15

 

 I'm co-moderator of /r/transcendental afterall.
 

 By the way, what makes you certain that 'tis a lost crusade?
 

 The fact that the DLF is negotiating with the United Nations concerning 
training UN workers to be TM teachers?
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the Letters 
to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced at the 
MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM. 

 Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the 
kind that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM 
*does* have a positive effect on BP.
 

 You're devoting a lot of time to this lost crusade Lawson, have you been 
banned from Reddit again?
 

 






 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Saying that TM is any different from most other Sanskrit mantra based 
meditations is like saying "our car is different, it has wheels." :-D


On 03/30/2015 07:37 AM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Ummm. You keep on posting and I keep on responding.

I wasn't complaining. I'm just impressed by the energy you put into it.

I'm posting positive stuff about TM here and on reddit.

Keep it up, it's fun.

And who told you I was banned from the entire website?

Where did I say you were? Or do I have to be so completely specific 
about everything?


I'm co-moderator of /r/transcendental afterall.


By the way, what makes you certain that 'tis a lost crusade?

The fact that the DLF is negotiating with the United Nations 
concerning training UN workers to be TM teachers?



L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the 
Letters to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and 
announced at the MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research 
on TM.


Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of 
the kind that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it 
find that TM *does* have a positive effect on BP.


You're devoting a lot of time to this lost crusade Lawson, have you 
been banned from Reddit again?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 Its no big deal - Rama levitated hundreds of times in front of hundreds of 
people. 

It has been reported that Rama could turn whole lecture halls golden. Obviously 
anyone can hop like a frog on foam, but if someone could slowly lift up off of 
a sofa in the desert and hover in mid-air, that would really be pretty 
impressive. The only thing embarrassing about that would be to post it on Yahoo 
FFL. LoL!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 
 I just can't participate in any of this any more...it's just too embarrassing 
for Lawson. 

Non sequitur.

I mean, here is a guy who has never in his life had the curiosity to even *try* 
some other form of meditation other than TM, and he's trying to sell the 
pseudo-science that was created to keep him believing that TM was the "best" 
form of meditation. It's like someone waving their kindergarten coloring book 
at you and claiming it's the most advanced textbook on physics ever written.   

Non sequitur.

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 Everyone on this forum knows that human levitation has been achieved already 
and has been witnessed hundreds of times by reliable meditation teachers, so 
there's no doubt about this para-normal ability being possible - human 
suspension in mid-air with no visible means of physical support. 

In one case, a guy on a desert picnic saw a zen master lift up slowly from a 
sofa at Denny's in L.A. and then fly around the cafe about an inch off the 
floor, telling a joke the whole time. And then the zen master turned golden and 
flew up onto the side of a nearby mountain and waved at everyone down below.

Over two hundred people saw this happen and were just dumb-founded, (except one 
guy - who thought it was just a normal thing and so he gave out a big whoop 
from the back of the diner). 

Everyone who saw it became a True Believer in the supernatural, thinking they 
had just seen an incarnation of Lord Vishnu, just like their religious 
scriptures and guru had told them about.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 But the dome but-bouncers haven't even gotten to the first (frog-hopping) 
stage, so it's more a matter of objectivity rather than rudeness.

Non sequitur. But in fact, there's only one remaining respondent on FFL that 
has actually been inside a Maharishi Golden Dome in years and apparently you're 
not him. Go figure. ..
 As far as even close to being credible, (imo) a good second hand account would 
be the chapter in Yogananda's Autobiography of a Yogi on the levitating Saint 
(a practitioner of Kriya Yoga).  There are other accounts of Kriya Yogin 
levitators besides Yogananda's.

Non sequitur.

 ..
 In any event, the Traditions of a. Kriya Yoga and b. Christianity; may be good 
candidates for exploring possible examples of true levitation (hovering); in 
contrast to the TM Tradition which is a dud.

Non sequitur. 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 It's like a circus here today. LoL!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Like denying the existence of the Japanese comfort girls in WW,II? 

The question is, "Did you enjoy?" LoL!

And denying allegations of illegal funding to his political party. 

Non sequitur.
 


 

 

 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 9:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 
   You're aware that all TM teachers teach the same way, and more than likely 
some of the recerted teachers work for the DLF?
 

 I mean, Bobby Roth goes to teh Hamptons and lectures to billionaires and is 
introduced on national TV as "Meditation Bob, meditation teacher to teh stars."
 

 

 You have more problem with TM teachers than other people it seems. Rupert 
Murdoch tweeted about learning TM last year, and numerous prominent people have 
learned TM recently without making a big deal about how  cultish the TMO is.
 

 And of course, both the current and a former Prime Minister of Japan are both 
TMers, having learned it from the head of the Japanese TM organization 25 years 
ago.
 

  It's really quite fascinating how uncomfortable people on Fairfield Life are 
with the idea that most people simply don't CARE about things like 5 minute 
initiation ceremonies, and the like.
 

 L
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In practicality, That an availability is 'limited' through re-certified 
teachers, MJ in writing his usual mean and aggressive negativity here raises a 
valid point within it in offering these excerpts from the J. Am. Heart 
Association memo. 
 Limited availability is one thing, but further I also run in to a corollary 
fact that a general public also does not necessarily like going in to the Peace 
Palaces for learning TM. Possibly this is what the memo is also driving at. 
..Way too much carry-on baggage with TM. 
 

 From the J.AmHeart Association memo:
 “..TM was not invented to lower BP. We acknowledge that meditation techniques 
may offer numerous benefits to people. Nevertheless, we believe that existing 
limitations need to be addressed before revisiting a higher class of 
recommendation concerning TM..” 
 

 Evidently contact with the tru-believer re-certified side of the movement is 
too obviously odd, setting off cult-radar 'warnings' in many who may go near. 
This is a cultural thing. Though culturally modified the David Lynch Foundation 
side of TM is more extra-territorial or secular to the re-cert side or strict 
movement certified facilities that present a whole glossy panoply of TM Vedic 
things. The whole vedic thing evidently seems too much cult-like Scientology 
today as cult. That can evidently can be worked with as with the good work of 
the DLF.
 -Buck, a transcendent meditator in Fairfield, Iowa   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Which shows that the TM leaders and their medical shills like that jack-ass 
Bob Schneider are greedy for nothing less than a world wide endorsement of TM 
as the sovereign remedy to cure all society's ills and all man's diseases.
 

 And a few other excerpts from the letter:
 

 "About practicality, there is a marked difference between providing a 
treatment in a randomized controlled trial and referring unselected patients 
with hypertension for TM training in clinical practice. TM is also more 
expensive than other approaches ($1500), and access to certified training may 
be more limited. For example, the Cleveland area has only 2 listed sites 
covering a population of ≈2 million people 

 

 We objectively and fairly presented the published data about the lowering of 
BP from TM. Its efficacy was indeed shown to be on par with some other 
alternative approaches when cross-comparing summary meta-analyses results 
(although few direct comparisons are available). We clearly stated that most 
approaches have modest efficacy (not just TM), and that patients requiring >10 
mm Hg reductions should be monitored closely. 
 

 TM was not invented to lower BP. We acknowledge that meditation techniques may 
offer numerous benefits to people. Nevertheless, we believe that existing 
limitations need to be addressed before revisiting a higher class of 
recommendation concerning TM for the sole purposes of managing high BP"
 

 Had I been the doctor replying to Greedy Bob's request to mark TM as being the 
be all and end all of life, I would have concluded the letter by saying "Bob 
Schneider can kiss my ass, not on the left side and not on the right side, but 
right down the middle."

 
 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 
   In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart 
Association report that said that TM was (and still is two years later, even 
after revisions) the only form of meditation th

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 A car is all about the wheels - that's where the rubber meets the road. If you 
have 20 inch wheels you can improve your MPG - it's a matter of math and the 
circumference of a circle in motion. Not all cars are equal in a race. 

What you need to understand is that the TM technique is NOT the cause of 
enlightenment - it just provides the ideal opportunity for transcending.

For most normal people, practicing a simple, easy-to-learn TM technique is the 
fastest and best way to learn how to enjoy transcending. In TM instruction you 
only get one single mantra - that's all you need. TM does not  require any 
effort or belief - it's just what inteligent people do.

Using any technique, you are only going to get as much enlightenment that you 
are going to get. It's not complicated.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Saying that TM is any different from most other Sanskrit mantra based 
meditations is like saying "our car is different, it has wheels." :-D 
 
 On 03/30/2015 07:37 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote :
 
 Ummm. You keep on posting and I keep on responding.
 

 I wasn't complaining. I'm just impressed by the energy you put into it.
 

 I'm posting positive stuff about TM here and on reddit.
 

 Keep it up, it's fun.
 

 And who told you I was banned from the entire website?
 

 Where did I say you were? Or do I have to be so completely specific about 
everything?
 

 I'm co-moderator of /r/transcendental afterall.
 

 

 By the way, what makes you certain that 'tis a lost crusade?
 

 The fact that the DLF is negotiating with the United Nations concerning 
training UN workers to be TM teachers?
 

 

 L
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote :
 
 As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the Letters 
to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced at the 
MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM. 

 Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the 
kind that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM 
*does* have a positive effect on BP.
 

 You're devoting a lot of time to this lost crusade Lawson, have you been 
banned from Reddit again?
 

 









 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Actually, people DO pay attention to what billlionaires say and do.  

 You have completely departed from reality with this statement. Nobody gives a 
toss what millionaires do, their lives are so far removed from ours that they 
might as well be alien. 
 

 It's like the celebrity obsession the TMO has, so what if some model or 
actress does the same sort of meditation, are they really so dumb they think 
people go "Wow, such and such does it, I'm gonna give it a try!" What do they 
take people for?
 

 

 

 They really DO set the trends and fashions of society.
 

 Bullshit. Would you hang out with someone who dressed like Bill Gates?
 

 

 And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth, it makes all 
sorts of headlines in business journals.

 

 Cultmania. I love it.
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Away for a day and the thread moves on to other things. My take on the wealthy 
is some people pay attention to some of them, like Warren Buffet because he has 
had a rather astounding ability to make money and is nonetheless perceived as a 
fairly normal person without a lot of pretension. As for the 'Mind of the 
Meditator' my experience is that over a long period of time, for me, TM has 
resulted in  'open monitoring', the technique working in a kind of back door 
approach. TM and mindfulness are now essentially identical because there is no 
inner/outer dimension to meditation. That would be to say the techniques, 
though different in their approach, result in convergent evolution of 
experience as far as result. Once open monitoring is established, TM becomes 
more effort-full compared to mindfulness because you actually have to do 
something to initiate the process while with open monitoring, you need do 
nothing. For beginning meditators this distinction is different for it appears 
TM is a bit more efficient in helping people deal with discursive thought which 
tends to be rampant with newbie meditators, but this difference diminishes over 
time. TM mythology seems less adaptable to scientific discourse than do certain 
forms of Buddhist explanations for the nature of enlightenment, and seems to 
promote belief in imaginary ideas beyond what is necessary to get someone 
interested in enlightenment, which is much much less than what people imagine 
it to be.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Actually, people DO pay attention to what billlionaires say and do.  

 You have completely departed from reality with this statement. Nobody gives a 
toss what millionaires do, their lives are so far removed from ours that they 
might as well be alien. 
 

 It's like the celebrity obsession the TMO has, so what if some model or 
actress does the same sort of meditation, are they really so dumb they think 
people go "Wow, such and such does it, I'm gonna give it a try!" What do they 
take people for?
 

 

 

 They really DO set the trends and fashions of society.
 

 Bullshit. Would you hang out with someone who dressed like Bill Gates?
 

 

 And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth, it makes all 
sorts of headlines in business journals.

 

 Cultmania. I love it.
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 03/30/2015 09:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Actually, people DO pay attention to what billlionaires say and do.

You have completely departed from reality with this statement. Nobody 
gives a toss what millionaires do, their lives are so far removed from 
ours that they might as well be alien.


Actually a lot of dummies think of billionaires as some kind "gods" or 
"special people" as if making lots of money is the key to life. Thing 
is, a lot of our modern day billionaires are "accidental". They just had 
the right idea at the right time in the right place. And anyone else 
with that right idea but the wrong time or wrong place might not have 
faired so well.  IOW, it's about luck (there was a Harvard study about 
this).


It's like the celebrity obsession the TMO has, so what if some model 
or actress does the same sort of meditation, are they really so dumb 
they think people go "Wow, such and such does it, I'm gonna give it a 
try!" What do they take people for?


In the 1970s they could "give it a try" for a reasonable price.  If it 
didn't do it for them then they weren't out much.  That's when I learned 
TM.  And as been noted before some of the celebs jump on anything that 
will give them press and abandon it as soon as they need something else 
for press.







They really DO set the trends and fashions of society.

Bullshit. Would you hang out with someone who dressed like Bill Gates?


I think Melinda dresses him nowadays.




And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth, it 
makes all sorts of headlines in business journals.


Cultmania. I love it.


Lawson makes being a TM'er like being a Jehovah's Witness.  We have 
those downtown standing around looking for a mark.  They are dressed 
(including their kids) like they are living in the 1950s.  That sorta 
fits in with the town which clings to the 1950s Mayberry scene.  Kick 
myself though as I didn't go downtown last week at all and there was a 
film crew there filming a PSA.  It was a New York company and 30 people 
involved and even doing crane shots.  Maybe you'll see it because it was 
a London agency that had them filming. The theme is "American small town."

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I will gently remind you (so I am not accused of meanness and aggressiveness by 
Buck) that Ray Dalio is one of the worst examples of what TM does for a person 
as he is considered to be an A-1 by most people who have met him. 

  From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 9:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
   
    Actually, people DO pay attention to what billlionaires say and do. 
They really DO set teh trends and fashions of society.
And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth, it makes all 
sorts of headlines in business journals.
How Meditation Makes Ray Dalio Feel 'Like A Ninja In A Fight' 
||
||||   How Meditation Makes Ray Dalio Feel 'Like A Ninja 
In...  Hedge fund billionaire Ray Dalio says he got into meditating 42 years 
ago because of 'The Beatles.'||
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   The GQ Guide to Transcendental Meditation 
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||||   The GQ Guide to Transcendental Meditation  GQ 
addresses transcendental meditation. Should you cross your legs, close your 
eyes, and join in?||
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Could this be the key to success on Wall Street? Hedge fund billionaire Ray 
Dalio thinks so 
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H...  A string of recent deaths within the banking world have brought global 
attention to the stressful conditions that financiers work in and around. Large 
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Meditation grows popular at high-stress Wall Street firms 
||
||||   Meditation grows popular at high-stress Wall Street 
firm...  The David Lynch Foundation has been getting an increasing number of 
calls from Wall Street firms to come and offer its $1,000 intensive course on 
Transcend...||
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L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I bet you will go to your grave as a TM apologist. 

You are highlighting one of the PROBLEMS with the TMO - they market to the 
millionaires to line their own pockets.

Few people give a rat's ass how many celebrities and big money people do TM.
Just do a bit of research to see what fuck heads the current and former 
Japanese prime ministers are. Like denying the existence of the Japanese 
comfort girls in WWII? And denying allegations of illegal funding to his 
political party. 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Buffett is as big an asshole as ever lived. He disowned one of his 
granddaughters for appearing in The One Percent, a documentary by Johnson & 
Johnson heir Jamie Johnson about the gap between rich and poor in America.
Screw Buffett.

  From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
   
    Away for a day and the thread moves on to other things. My take on the 
wealthy is some people pay attention to some of them, like Warren Buffet 
because he has had a rather astounding ability to make money and is nonetheless 
perceived as a fairly normal person without a lot of pretension. As for the 
'Mind of the Meditator' my experience is that over a long period of time, for 
me, TM has resulted in  'open monitoring', the technique working in a kind of 
back door approach. TM and mindfulness are now essentially identical because 
there is no inner/outer dimension to meditation. That would be to say the 
techniques, though different in their approach, result in convergent evolution 
of experience as far as result. Once open monitoring is established, TM becomes 
more effort-full compared to mindfulness because you actually have to do 
something to initiate the process while with open monitoring, you need do 
nothing. For beginning meditators this distinction is different for it appears 
TM is a bit more efficient in helping people deal with discursive thought which 
tends to be rampant with newbie meditators, but this difference diminishes over 
time. TM mythology seems less adaptable to scientific discourse than do certain 
forms of Buddhist explanations for the nature of enlightenment, and seems to 
promote belief in imaginary ideas beyond what is necessary to get someone 
interested in enlightenment, which is much much less than what people imagine 
it to be.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Actually, people DO pay attention to what billlionaires say and do. 
You have completely departed from reality with this statement. Nobody gives a 
toss what millionaires do, their lives are so far removed from ours that they 
might as well be alien. 
It's like the celebrity obsession the TMO has, so what if some model or actress 
does the same sort of meditation, are they really so dumb they think people go 
"Wow, such and such does it, I'm gonna give it a try!" What do they take people 
for?


They really DO set the trends and fashions of society.
Bullshit. Would you hang out with someone who dressed like Bill Gates?

And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth, it makes all 
sorts of headlines in business journals.

Cultmania. I love it.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Mean? P'raps. Aggressive, no. Had I offered to chase him down and force him to 
kiss my ass, then yes that would have been agressive.

  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 9:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
   
    In practicality, That an availability is 'limited'through re-certified 
teachers, MJ in writing his usual mean andaggressive negativity here raises a 
valid point within it in offeringthese excerpts from the J. Am. Heart 
Association memo. Limited availability is one thing, but further I also run in 
to acorollary fact that a general public also does not necessarily like going 
in tothe Peace Palaces for learning TM. Possibly this is what the memo isalso 
driving at. ..Way too much carry-on baggage with TM. 
>From the J.AmHeart Association memo: “..TMwas not invented to lower BP. We 
>acknowledge that meditationtechniques may offer numerous benefits to people. 
>Nevertheless, webelieve that existing limitations need to be addressed 
>beforerevisiting a higher class of recommendation concerning TM..”
Evidently contact with the tru-believer re-certified side of themovement is too 
obviously odd, setting off cult-radar 'warnings' inmany who may go near. This 
is a cultural thing. Though culturallymodified the David Lynch Foundation side 
of TM is moreextra-territorial or secular to the re-cert side or strict 
movementcertified facilities that present a whole glossy panoply of TM 
Vedicthings. The whole vedic thing evidently seems too much cult-like 
Scientologytoday as cult. That can evidently can be worked with as with the 
good work of the DLF.-Buck, a transcendent meditator in Fairfield, Iowa   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Which shows that the TM leaders and their medical shills like that jack-ass Bob 
Schneider are greedy for nothing less than a world wide endorsement of TM as 
the sovereign remedy to cure all society's ills and all man's diseases.
And a few other excerpts from the letter:
"About practicality, there is a marked difference between providing atreatment 
in a randomized controlled trial and referringunselected patients with 
hypertension for TMtraining in clinical practice. TM is also more expensive 
than otherapproaches($1500), and access to certified training may bemore 
limited. For example, the Cleveland area has only 2 listed sitescoveringa 
population of ≈2 million people 

We objectively and fairlypresented the published data about the lowering of BP 
from TM. Itsefficacy was indeed shown tobe on par with some other alternative 
approacheswhen cross-comparing summary meta-analyses results (although few 
directcomparisonsare available). We clearly stated that mostapproaches have 
modest efficacy (not just TM), and that patientsrequiring >10mm Hg reductions 
should be monitored closely.
TM was notinvented to lower BP. We acknowledge that meditation techniques 
mayoffer numerous benefits to people. Nevertheless,we believe that existing 
limitations need to beaddressed before revisiting a higher class of 
recommendation concerningTMfor the sole purposes of managing high BP"
Had I been the doctor replying to Greedy Bob's request to mark TM as being the 
be all and end all of life, I would have concluded the letter by saying "Bob 
Schneider can kiss my ass, not on the left side and not on the right side, but 
right down the middle."

  From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart Association 
report that said that TM was (and still is two years later, even after 
revisions) the only form of meditation that the AHA says can be recommended by 
doctors for the treatment of hypertension is now pretty good friends with 
Robert Schneider, has appeared on the same stage with him, and has announced 
that he is doing his own study on TM and hypertension.
He's also recently published an article discussing when to recommend 
alternative therapies for hypertension.
When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High 
Blood Pressure.
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|  | When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management 
of High Blood ... 1. Am J Med. 2015 Jan 30. pii: S0002-9343(15)00079-0. 
doi:10.1016/j.amjmed.2014.12.029. [Epub ahead of print] |  |
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When discussing TM research in a formal response to Robert Schneider's request 
for an upgrade to the AHA's evaluation of TM, he politely refused but said:
 We do agree that TM is unique in the robustness and quality of evidence among 
meditation techniques for BP-lowering

http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/62/6/e43.full



L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :



Let's not forget its power as advertising. Everyone kn

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Currently watching the video as I await my daughter's arrival for a visit, so I 
shan't watch it all right now. Just the in beginning where Schneider is 
flattering the other doc for "seeing the trends of time" i.e. - seeing the 
benefit of claiming TM does things it really doesn't. 

I am guessing two things so far:
1 - This doc is drooling over the opportunity to get in on some of that grant 
money Schneider has cashed in on and 
2 - This doc will lose his current positions if he goes whole hog on 
recommending TM like Schneider (who masquerades as an expert on Vedic Head 
Shrinking)

  From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 9:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
   
    
TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, MD by Maharishi 
University of Management 
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Brook, ...  Watch Maharishi University of Management's TM, Air Pollution, and 
Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, MD on Livestream.com. MUM DISTINGUISH...|  
  |
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

post the link to the mum speech please

  From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the Letters 
to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced at the 
MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM.
Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the kind 
that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM 
*does* have a positive effect on BP.

L



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[FairfieldLife] The Rise of ISIS

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

In astrological terms, the rise of ISIS is due to the transit of Saturn in 
Scorpio, a sign representing death or the 8th house of the Cosmic Man or the 
Kalachakra, the wheel of time.  Saturn is particularly virulent in the sign 
because it is owned by Mars, the enemy of Saturn.
 

 Hence, we see ISIS flaunting a black flag and the rebels wearing black garbs, 
the color of Saturn.  They commit heinous crimes by decapitating their captives 
to terrorize the world of their dark intentions, the establishment of a 
caliphate in the Middle East and perhaps the world.
 

 It will take about a year and and half to vanquish this menace in the world.  
Why?  Because this is the remaining time that Saturn will take to transit the 
sign of Scorpio.  When Saturn enters the next sign of Sagittarius, peace in the 
world should be restored.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ha ha ha! Love it! Brooks was inspired by the likes of the Dalai Lama and Jiddu 
Krisnamurti to look into meditation. I bet Schneider's arse drew up when they 
showed those non-TM guru's on the overhead projector. Wish the camera had 
panned the audience, but they wisely did not. Have to stop now to order the 
pizza for Daughter's lunch vittles.

  From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 9:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
   
    
TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, MD by Maharishi 
University of Management 
||
||||   TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. 
Brook, ...  Watch Maharishi University of Management's TM, Air Pollution, and 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

post the link to the mum speech please

  From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the Letters 
to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced at the 
MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM.
Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the kind 
that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM 
*does* have a positive effect on BP.

L



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 Obviousy Ray Dalio, who appeared on the annual Time 100 list of the 100 most 
influential people in the world, can't compare to all your accomplishments. LoL!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Dalio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Dalio  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I will gently remind you (so I am not accused of meanness and aggressiveness 
by Buck) that Ray Dalio is one of the worst examples of what TM does for a 
person as he is considered to be an A-1 by most people who have met him. 

Non sequitur.

 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 9:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 
   Actually, people DO pay attention to what billlionaires say and do. 
 

 They really DO set teh trends and fashions of society.
 

 And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth, it makes all 
sorts of headlines in business journals.
 

 How Meditation Makes Ray Dalio Feel 'Like A Ninja In A Fight' 
http://www.businessinsider.com/ray-dalio-2014-2 
 
 http://www.businessinsider.com/ray-dalio-2014-2
 
 How Meditation Makes Ray Dalio Feel 'Like A Ninja In... 
http://www.businessinsider.com/ray-dalio-2014-2 Hedge fund billionaire Ray 
Dalio says he got into meditating 42 years ago because of 'The Beatles.'


 
 View on www.busines... http://www.businessinsider.com/ray-dalio-2014-2
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
The GQ Guide to Transcendental Meditation 
http://www.gq.com/life/health/201309/gq-transcendental-meditation-guide 
 
 http://www.gq.com/life/health/201309/gq-transcendental-meditation-guide
 
 The GQ Guide to Transcendental Meditation 
http://www.gq.com/life/health/201309/gq-transcendental-meditation-guide GQ 
addresses transcendental meditation. Should you cross your legs, close your 
eyes, and join in?


 
 View on www.gq.com 
http://www.gq.com/life/health/201309/gq-transcendental-meditation-guide
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 Could this be the key to success on Wall Street? Hedge fund billionaire Ray 
Dalio thinks so 
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/the-one-weird-practice-wall-street-bankers-swear-by-175231201.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
 
 
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/the-one-weird-practice-wall-street-bankers-swear-by-175231201.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
 
 Could this be the key to success on Wall Street? H... 
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/the-one-weird-practice-wall-street-bankers-swear-by-175231201.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
 A string of recent deaths within the banking world have brought global 
attention to the stressful conditions that financiers work in and around. Large 
b...


 
 View on finance.yahoo... 
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 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 Meditation grows popular at high-stress Wall Street firms 
http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/11/investing/meditation-wall-street/ 
 
 http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/11/investing/meditation-wall-street/
 
 Meditation grows popular at high-stress Wall Street firm... 
http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/11/investing/meditation-wall-street/ The David 
Lynch Foundation has been getting an increasing number of calls from Wall 
Street firms to come and offer its $1,000 intensive course on Transcend...


 
 View on money.cnn.com 
http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/11/investing/meditation-wall-street/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I bet you will go to your grave as a TM apologist. 

 

 You are highlighting one of the PROBLEMS with the TMO - they market to the 
millionaires to line their own pockets.

 

 Few people give a rat's ass how many celebrities and big money people do TM.
 

 Just do a bit of research to see what fuck heads the current and former 
Japanese prime ministers are. Like denying the existence of the Japanese 
comfort girls in WWII? And denying allegations of illegal funding to his 
political party. 

 

 

 









 


 









  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 03/30/2015 09:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote :
 
 Actually, people DO pay attention to what billlionaires say and do.  

 You have completely departed from reality with this statement. Nobody gives a 
toss what millionaires do, their lives are so far removed from ours that they 
might as well be alien. 
 



 
 Actually a lot of dummies think of billionaires as some kind "gods" or 
"special people" as if making lots of money is the key to life.   Thinking 
about it a bit more, Lawson's statement might be more true of America than over 
here. We have a funny attitude to money, everyone wants to be rich but people 
can really dislike the wealthy just being rich. The weird politics of envy. 
 Thing is, a lot of our modern day billionaires are "accidental".   They just 
had the right idea at the right time in the right place.  And anyone else with 
that right idea but the wrong time or wrong place might not have faired so 
well.  IOW, it's about luck (there was a Harvard study about this). 
 A lot of the recent immigrants to London are conmen like Roman Abromovich and 
his Russian oilgarch friends who made a fortune in Russia during the capitalist 
free-for-all and park their money in London forcing up house prices way beyond 
the reach of locals. Even worse are playboy Arab billionaires racing their 
stupid fast cars round Knightsbridge. Everyone hates them and rightly so. The 
only thing the English like (except me) is class, we let the "uppers" shit on 
the rest of us whether they've got money or not. It's all bearing and accent. 
 The only billionaire everyone seems to like is Richard Branson. He has a good 
and carefully managed image but what's he like really? Damn shrewd, hardworking 
or just lucky? 






 They really DO set the trends and fashions of society.

 

 Bullshit. Would you hang out with someone who dressed like Bill Gates?





 
 I think Melinda dresses him nowadays. 
 Part of my job in my PR company was monitoring what the press said about 
Gates. All articles about him or his life were cut out and sent to me and I'd 
enter the details into a database and send a monthly report to MS's own press 
department. To say that I knew everything there is to know about him is an 
understatement. I felt like some hideous nerd stalker, but highly paid and 
probably shouldn't be telling you this! I knew how every room in his house was 
decorated and how much money he'd have top drop to make it worth his while 
bending over to pick it up (he made $150 a second apparently). Why they wanted 
to know all this stuff is a mystery to me, maybe they used it to monitor how 
obsessed people were with myths about his lifestyle? Weird job anyway... I also 
had to monitor the whole IE anti-trust thing and the battle with Netscape 
(remember that?) and all the while I was using a crappy Windows 95 PC. We 
didn't even have the internet in those days and had to actually work while 
looking at our screens!
 
 And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth, it makes all 
sorts of headlines in business journals.

 
 
 Cultmania. I love it.





 
 Lawson makes being a TM'er like being a Jehovah's Witness.  We have those 
downtown standing around looking for a mark.  They are dressed (including their 
kids) like they are living in the 1950s.  That sorta fits in with the town 
which clings to the 1950s Mayberry scene.  Kick myself though as I didn't go 
downtown last week at all and there was a film crew there filming a PSA.  It 
was a New York company and 30 people involved and even doing crane shots.  
Maybe you'll see it because it was a London agency that had them filming.  The 
theme is "American small town."
 
 I like the JW's we used to get plagued by them at the TM centre because they 
considered us possessed by the devil for our pagan ways and would do everything 
in their power to convert us. One of the girls that came round was lovely and I 
used to chat her up for ages in the hope she was flirty fishing but she was 
married and you wouldn't believe the rules they have about that sort of thing. 
 

 Funny thing was her husband wasn't a JW which is odd because they believe 
there are only 7000 places in heaven and every one is reserved by people from 
the JW's, but not even all of them. I asked her if it was depressing being 
married to someone she was actually guaranteed to never see in the afterlife of 
eternal peace and she didn't want to discuss it.
 

 I like to get their mag "The Watchtower" and read it on the train, they often 
have some TB articles about creationism V's evolution and it's fun to pit my 
wits against the clever nonsense they publish.
 

 PS I was an extra in a BBC production called "Dr Foster" they were filming at 
our local medical centre at the weekend. I made a good passerby I think. If I 
make the final cu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

Apparently you were inspired by someone, maybe Michael Jackson, to look into 
meditation. So you took a bus up to Iowa to join a religious cult and they 
forced you to work in the kitchen for free, learning how to bake cookies, take 
naps, fly inside a golden dome and pray to the Hindu gods on your hands and 
knees several times a day. 

The question is, for what purpose?

So, you got kicked out of the cult and so you took a bus home in the middle of 
the night to your mother's house to live in her basement for a few years. 
That's nothing to be upset about - think of it as getting saved. Just kick some 
grass over that shit and move on. 

The other question is, whatever gave you the idea that you could learn to cook 
a pie crust? No wonder you're ordering out today. LoL!.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ha ha ha! Love it! Brooks was inspired by the likes of the Dalai Lama and 
Jiddu Krisnamurti to look into meditation. 

Non sequitur.

I bet Schneider's arse drew up when they showed those non-TM guru's on the 
overhead projector. 

How much would you be willing to wager?

Wish the camera had panned the audience, but they wisely did not. 

Non sequitur.

Have to stop now to order the pizza for Daughter's lunch vittles.

Non sequitur.

 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 9:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 
   
 

TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, MD by Maharishi 
University of Management http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook 
 
 http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook
 
 TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, ... 
http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook Watch Maharishi University of Management's 
TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, MD on Livestream.com. 
MUM DISTINGUISH...


 
 View on new.livestrea... http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 post the link to the mum speech please

 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 
   As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the 
Letters to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced 
at the MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM.
 

 Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the 
kind that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM 
*does* have a positive effect on BP.
 

 L
 
 









 













 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

Most of the world's billionaires started out with nothing, so what's your 
excuse? You were probably born with a silver spoon in your mouth in the land of 
opportunity. You had everything including the freedom of choice. You probably 
earn more in an hour than most people earn in a week. Go figure.

http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/ http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/

   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Actually a lot of dummies think of billionaires as some kind "gods" or 
"special people" as if making lots of money is the key to life.  Thing is, a 
lot of our modern day billionaires are "accidental".   They just had the right 
idea at the right time in the right place.  And anyone else with that right 
idea but the wrong time or wrong place might not have faired so well.  IOW, 
it's about luck (there was a Harvard study about this).
 
 
 It's like the celebrity obsession the TMO has, so what if some model or 
actress does the same sort of meditation, are they really so dumb they think 
people go "Wow, such and such does it, I'm gonna give it a try!" What do they 
take people for?





 
 In the 1970s they could "give it a try" for a reasonable price.  If it didn't 
do it for them then they weren't out much.  That's when I learned TM.  And as 
been noted before some of the celebs jump on anything that will give them press 
and abandon it as soon as they need something else for press.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 They really DO set the trends and fashions of society.
 

 Bullshit. Would you hang out with someone who dressed like Bill Gates?





 
 I think Melinda dresses him nowadays.
 
 

 

 And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth, it makes all 
sorts of headlines in business journals.

 
 
 Cultmania. I love it.





 
 Lawson makes being a TM'er like being a Jehovah's Witness.  We have those 
downtown standing around looking for a mark.  They are dressed (including their 
kids) like they are living in the 1950s.  That sorta fits in with the town 
which clings to the 1950s Mayberry scene.  Kick myself though as I didn't go 
downtown last week at all and there was a film crew there filming a PSA.  It 
was a New York company and 30 people involved and even doing crane shots.  
Maybe you'll see it because it was a London agency that had them filming.  The 
theme is "American small town."
 
 
 
 






 
 
 

  



 
 Actually a lot of dummies think of billionaires as some kind "gods" or 
"special people" as if making lots of money is the key to life.  Thing is, a 
lot of our modern day billionaires are "accidental".   They just had the right 
idea at the right time in the right place.  And anyone else with that right 
idea but the wrong time or wrong place might not have faired so well.  IOW, 
it's about luck (there was a Harvard study about this).
 
 
 It's like the celebrity obsession the TMO has, so what if some model or 
actress does the same sort of meditation, are they really so dumb they think 
people go "Wow, such and such does it, I'm gonna give it a try!" What do they 
take people for?





 
 In the 1970s they could "give it a try" for a reasonable price.  If it didn't 
do it for them then they weren't out much.  That's when I learned TM.  And as 
been noted before some of the celebs jump on anything that will give them press 
and abandon it as soon as they need something else for press.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 They really DO set the trends and fashions of society.
 

 Bullshit. Would you hang out with someone who dressed like Bill Gates?





 
 I think Melinda dresses him nowadays.
 
 

 

 And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth, it makes all 
sorts of headlines in business journals.

 
 
 Cultmania. I love it.





 
 Lawson makes being a TM'er like being a Jehovah's Witness.  We have those 
downtown standing around looking for a mark.  They are dressed (including their 
kids) like they are living in the 1950s.  That sorta fits in with the town 
which clings to the 1950s Mayberry scene.  Kick myself though as I didn't go 
downtown last week at all and there was a film crew there filming a PSA.  It 
was a New York company and 30 people involved and even doing crane shots.  
Maybe you'll see it because it was a London agency that had them filming.  The 
theme is "American small town."
 
 
 
 






 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 03/30/2015 11:00 AM, rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Most of the world's billionaires started out with nothing, so what's 
your excuse?




You mean like the Koch brothers or the Waltons?  They earned their 
wealth the old fashioned way, they inherited it.


You were probably born with a silver spoon in your mouth in the land 
of opportunity.




Yeah, my dad worked for the country road department.  No silver spoons.

You had everything including the freedom of choice. You probably earn 
more in an hour than most people earn in a week. Go figure.




At best $85 an hour though I charge $200 an hour for consulting. But 
most clients are buying project work where you price that accordingly.  
I don't think too many people could survive in good ol' USA on $85 a 
week.  So check your calculations.


Last I read you're not even a millionaire.  Guess you didn't take 
advantage of the "opportunity."





http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/

  ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Actually a lot of dummies think of billionaires as some kind
"gods" or "special people" as if making lots of money is the key
to life. Thing is, a lot of our modern day billionaires are
"accidental". They just had the right idea at the right time in
the right place. And anyone else with that right idea but the
wrong time or wrong place might not have faired so well.  IOW,
it's about luck (there was a Harvard study about this).


It's like the celebrity obsession the TMO has, so what if some
model or actress does the same sort of meditation, are they
really so dumb they think people go "Wow, such and such does it,
I'm gonna give it a try!" What do they take people for?


In the 1970s they could "give it a try" for a reasonable price. 
If it didn't do it for them then they weren't out much.  That's

when I learned TM.  And as been noted before some of the celebs
jump on anything that will give them press and abandon it as soon
as they need something else for press.






They really DO set the trends and fashions of society.

Bullshit. Would you hang out with someone who dressed like Bill
Gates?


I think Melinda dresses him nowadays.




And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth,
it makes all sorts of headlines in business journals.

Cultmania. I love it.


Lawson makes being a TM'er like being a Jehovah's Witness.  We
have those downtown standing around looking for a mark. They are
dressed (including their kids) like they are living in the 1950s. 
That sorta fits in with the town which clings to the 1950s

Mayberry scene.  Kick myself though as I didn't go downtown last
week at all and there was a film crew there filming a PSA.  It was
a New York company and 30 people involved and even doing crane
shots.  Maybe you'll see it because it was a London agency that
had them filming. The theme is "American small town."











Actually a lot of dummies think of billionaires as some kind
"gods" or "special people" as if making lots of money is the key
to life. Thing is, a lot of our modern day billionaires are
"accidental". They just had the right idea at the right time in
the right place. And anyone else with that right idea but the
wrong time or wrong place might not have faired so well.  IOW,
it's about luck (there was a Harvard study about this).


It's like the celebrity obsession the TMO has, so what if some
model or actress does the same sort of meditation, are they
really so dumb they think people go "Wow, such and such does it,
I'm gonna give it a try!" What do they take people for?


In the 1970s they could "give it a try" for a reasonable price. 
If it didn't do it for them then they weren't out much.  That's

when I learned TM.  And as been noted before some of the celebs
jump on anything that will give them press and abandon it as soon
as they need something else for press.






They really DO set the trends and fashions of society.

Bullshit. Would you hang out with someone who dressed like Bill
Gates?


I think Melinda dresses him nowadays.




And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth,
it makes all sorts of headlines in business journals.

Cultmania. I love it.


Lawson makes being a TM'er like being a Jehovah's Witness.  We
have those downtown standing around looking for a mark. They are
dressed (including their kids) like they are living in the 1950s. 
That sorta fits in with the town which clings to the 1950s

Mayberry scene.  Kick myself though as I didn't go downtown last
week at all and there was a film crew there filming a PSA.  It was
a New York company and 30 people involved and even doing crane
shots.  Maybe you'll see it because it was a London agency that
had them filming. The theme is "

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 03/30/2015 10:32 AM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 03/30/2015 09:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

Actually, people DO pay attention to what billlionaires say and do.

You have completely departed from reality with this statement.
Nobody gives a toss what millionaires do, their lives are so far
removed from ours that they might as well be alien.


Actually a lot of dummies think of billionaires as some kind
"gods" or "special people" as if making lots of money is the key
to life. 


Thinking about it a bit more, Lawson's statement might be more
true of America than over here. We have a funny attitude to money,
everyone wants to be rich but people can really dislike the
wealthy just being rich. The weird politics of envy.


Thing is, a lot of our modern day billionaires are "accidental".
They just had the right idea at the right time in the right place.
And anyone else with that right idea but the wrong time or wrong
place might not have faired so well.  IOW, it's about luck (there
was a Harvard study about this).


A lot of the recent immigrants to London are conmen like Roman
Abromovich and his Russian oilgarch friends who made a fortune in
Russia during the capitalist free-for-all and park their money in
London forcing up house prices way beyond the reach of locals.
Even worse are playboy Arab billionaires racing their stupid fast
cars round Knightsbridge. Everyone hates them and rightly so.

The only thing the English like (except me) is class, we let the
"uppers" shit on the rest of us whether they've got money or not.
It's all bearing and accent.


The only billionaire everyone seems to like is Richard Branson. He
has a good and carefully managed image but what's he like really?
Damn shrewd, hardworking or just lucky?



Probably lucky.  Successful people work smart not hard.  Working hard is 
for peasants who would be better off too if they just worked smart.  But 
there is becoming a lot of resentment in the US.  Back in the 1990s I 
was able to dine out whenever I wanted to but now I walk past sidewalk 
cafes I can't afford lunch at or more correctly don't want to spend the 
inflated price.  $10 for sandwich that 6 years ago might have been $5?  
In the 1990s you didn't get any resentment vibes either because even the 
poorer folks could still afford to dine out.


I'm going to post a link to a Paul Craig Roberts interview which has 
some stuff about ISIS at the front so it fits jr's ISIS post.  The 
latter part of the interview has Roberts talking about the economic 
inequity in the US and how we're headed for a depression.  Mind you this 
guy was an economic advisor to Ronald Reagan during his administration.  
Jason needs to watch it too as Roberts is every bit as down on 
capitalistic excess as I am.




They really DO set the trends and fashions of society.

Bullshit. Would you hang out with someone who dressed like Bill
Gates?


I think Melinda dresses him nowadays.


Part of my job in my PR company was monitoring what the press said
about Gates. All articles about him or his life were cut out and
sent to me and I'd enter the details into a database and send a
monthly report to MS's own press department. To say that I knew
everything there is to know about him is an understatement. I felt
like some hideous nerd stalker, but highly paid and probably
shouldn't be telling you this!

I knew how every room in his house was decorated and how much
money he'd have top drop to make it worth his while bending over
to pick it up (he made $150 a second apparently). Why they wanted
to know all this stuff is a mystery to me, maybe they used it to
monitor how obsessed people were with myths about his lifestyle?
Weird job anyway...

I also had to monitor the whole IE anti-trust thing and the battle
with Netscape (remember that?) and all the while I was using a
crappy Windows 95 PC. We didn't even have the internet in those
days and had to actually work while looking at our screens!



Yes I remember that and a point came up about Windows providing 
developer access and actually I was in a software industry group that  
asked Microsoft for that and it didn't get mentioned.  MS lawyers 
apparently didn't know that piece of history.





And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth,
it makes all sorts of headlines in business journals.

Cultmania. I love it.


Lawson makes being a TM'er like being a Jehovah's Witness.  We
have those downtown standing around looking for a mark. They are
dressed (including their kids) like they are living in the 1950s. 
That sorta fits in with the town which clings to the 1950s

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Rise of ISIS

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Paul Craig Roberts, who was an advisor to Ronald Reagan during his 
administration gives a good explanation of what ISIS is at the first 
part of this interview. The second part he talks about inequality in the 
US and why we're headed for a depression.  His take on capitalism might 
surprise some.


https://youtu.be/IaB9EcUCkdI

On 03/30/2015 10:22 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


In astrological terms, the rise of ISIS is due to the transit of 
Saturn in Scorpio, a sign representing death or the 8th house of the 
Cosmic Man or the Kalachakra, the wheel of time.  Saturn is 
particularly virulent in the sign because it is owned by Mars, the 
enemy of Saturn.



Hence, we see ISIS flaunting a black flag and the rebels wearing black 
garbs, the color of Saturn.  They commit heinous crimes by 
decapitating their captives to terrorize the world of their dark 
intentions, the establishment of a caliphate in the Middle East and 
perhaps the world.



It will take about a year and and half to vanquish this menace in the 
world.  Why?  Because this is the remaining time that Saturn will take 
to transit the sign of Scorpio.  When Saturn enters the next sign of 
Sagittarius, peace in the world should be restored.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Michael,
 

This one incident determines his all time personality? According to wikipedia, 
he disowned his son Peter's adopted daughter, that is she was not related to 
him except as an in-law. He reportedly wrote to her  'I have not emotionally or 
legally adopted you as a grandchild, nor have the rest of my family adopted you 
as a niece or a cousin.' He had for some time felt ambivalent about Nicole and 
her sister's claim to his fortune. The perceived sense of entitlement and 
Nicole's self-appointed role as family spokesperson prompted Buffett to tell 
Peter that he'd renounce her. It would appear the film was just the last straw 
in a more drawn out family squabble. 

 In June 2006, he announced a plan to give away his fortune to charity, with 
83% of it going to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. His children will not 
inherit a significant proportion of his wealth. This is consistent with 
statements he has made in the past indicating his opposition to the transfer of 
great fortunes from one generation to the next. Buffett once commented, 'I want 
to give my kids just enough so that they would feel that they could do 
anything, but not so much that they would feel like doing nothing.'
 

 On December 9, 2010, Buffett, Bill Gates, and Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, 
signed a promise they called the "Gates-Buffett Giving Pledge", in which they 
promised to donate to charity at least half of their wealth over time, and 
invited others among the wealthy to follow suit.

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Buffett is as big an asshole as ever lived. He disowned one of his 
granddaughters for appearing in The One Percent, a documentary by Johnson & 
Johnson heir Jamie Johnson about the gap between rich and poor in America.
 

 Screw Buffett.

 

 From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 
   Away for a day and the thread moves on to other things. My take on the 
wealthy is some people pay attention to some of them, like Warren Buffet 
because he has had a rather astounding ability to make money and is nonetheless 
perceived as a fairly normal person without a lot of pretension. As for the 
'Mind of the Meditator' my experience is that over a long period of time, for 
me, TM has resulted in  'open monitoring', the technique working in a kind of 
back door approach. TM and mindfulness are now essentially identical because 
there is no inner/outer dimension to meditation. That would be to say the 
techniques, though different in their approach, result in convergent evolution 
of experience as far as result. Once open monitoring is established, TM becomes 
more effort-full compared to mindfulness because you actually have to do 
something to initiate the process while with open monitoring, you need do 
nothing. For beginning meditators this distinction is different for it appears 
TM is a bit more efficient in helping people deal with discursive thought which 
tends to be rampant with newbie meditators, but this difference diminishes over 
time. TM mythology seems less adaptable to scientific discourse than do certain 
forms of Buddhist explanations for the nature of enlightenment, and seems to 
promote belief in imaginary ideas beyond what is necessary to get someone 
interested in enlightenment, which is much much less than what people imagine 
it to be.

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Actually, people DO pay attention to what billlionaires say and do.  

 You have completely departed from reality with this statement. Nobody gives a 
toss what millionaires do, their lives are so far removed from ours that they 
might as well be alien. 
 

 It's like the celebrity obsession the TMO has, so what if some model or 
actress does the same sort of meditation, are they really so dumb they think 
people go "Wow, such and such does it, I'm gonna give it a try!" What do they 
take people for?
 

 

 

 They really DO set the trends and fashions of society.
 

 Bullshit. Would you hang out with someone who dressed like Bill Gates?
 

 

 And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth, it makes all 
sorts of headlines in business journals.

 

 Cultmania. I love it.
 

 







 


 












 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Johnson & Johnson has a division in India which owns (or at least did 
own) Dabur a manufacturer of ayurvedic remedies. Weird, eh?


On 03/30/2015 09:52 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Buffett is as big an asshole as ever lived. He disowned one of his 
granddaughters for appearing in /The One Percent,/ a documentary by 
Johnson & Johnson heir Jamie Johnson about the gap between rich and 
poor in America.


Screw Buffett.


*From:* "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2015 12:36 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

Away for a day and the thread moves on to other things. My take on the 
wealthy is some people pay attention to some of them, like Warren 
Buffet because he has had a rather astounding ability to make money 
and is nonetheless perceived as a fairly normal person without a lot 
of pretension. As for the 'Mind of the Meditator' my experience is 
that over a long period of time, for me, TM has resulted in  'open 
monitoring', the technique working in a kind of back door approach. TM 
and mindfulness are now essentially identical because there is no 
inner/outer dimension to meditation. That would be to say the 
techniques, though different in their approach, result in convergent 
evolution of experience as far as result. Once open monitoring is 
established, TM becomes more effort-full compared to mindfulness 
because you actually have to do something to initiate the process 
while with open monitoring, you need do nothing. For beginning 
meditators this distinction is different for it appears TM is a bit 
more efficient in helping people deal with discursive thought which 
tends to be rampant with newbie meditators, but this difference 
diminishes over time. TM mythology seems less adaptable to scientific 
discourse than do certain forms of Buddhist explanations for the 
nature of enlightenment, and seems to promote belief in imaginary 
ideas beyond what is necessary to get someone interested in 
enlightenment, which is much much less than what people imagine it to be.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Actually, people DO pay attention to what billlionaires say and do.

You have completely departed from reality with this statement. Nobody 
gives a toss what millionaires do, their lives are so far removed from 
ours that they might as well be alien.


It's like the celebrity obsession the TMO has, so what if some model 
or actress does the same sort of meditation, are they really so dumb 
they think people go "Wow, such and such does it, I'm gonna give it a 
try!" What do they take people for?




They really DO set the trends and fashions of society.

Bullshit. Would you hang out with someone who dressed like Bill Gates?


And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth, it 
makes all sorts of headlines in business journals.


Cultmania. I love it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

You DO realize that this means that Brook has no dog in the fight of TM vs 
whatever? He's so out of touch with the politics that he has pictures of the 
Dali Lama put on the screen at MUM. Pretty neutral guy, obviously. 

 

 And so if he comes to a specific conclusion based on looking at the research 
(e.g. TM is better for the treatment of high blood pressure) it as a 
disinterested party...
 
L
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ha ha ha! Love it! Brooks was inspired by the likes of the Dalai Lama and 
Jiddu Krisnamurti to look into meditation. I bet Schneider's arse drew up when 
they showed those non-TM guru's on the overhead projector. Wish the camera had 
panned the audience, but they wisely did not. Have to stop now to order the 
pizza for Daughter's lunch vittles.

 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 9:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 
   
 

TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, MD by Maharishi 
University of Management http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook 
 
 http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook
 
 TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, ... 
http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook Watch Maharishi University of Management's 
TM, Air Pollution, and Your Heart with Robert D. Brook, MD on Livestream.com. 
MUM DISTINGUISH...


 
 View on new.livestrea... http://new.livestream.com/mum/brook
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 post the link to the mum speech please

 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 
   As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the 
Letters to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced 
at the MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM.
 

 Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the 
kind that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM 
*does* have a positive effect on BP.
 

 L
 
 









 













 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Think what you like and I will do the same. 

Buffett's big giveaway is as much horseshit as Gates' is. It is a big fat tax 
break for them, plus they mainly give to foundations that they and their 
families control, and use the money they give the foundations to leverage 
whatever they want in terms of political and other types of control through the 
threat of loss of such revenue to the beneficiaries of the largess of said 
foundations.


  From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 4:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
   
    Michael,
This one incident determines his all time personality? According to wikipedia, 
he disowned his son Peter's adopted daughter, that is she was not related to 
him except as an in-law. He reportedly wrote to her  'I have not emotionally or 
legally adopted you as a grandchild, nor have the rest of my family adopted you 
as a niece or a cousin.' He had for some time felt ambivalent about Nicole and 
her sister's claim to his fortune. The perceived sense of entitlement and 
Nicole's self-appointed role as family spokesperson prompted Buffett to tell 
Peter that he'd renounce her. It would appear the film was just the last straw 
in a more drawn out family squabble.
In June 2006, he announced a plan to give away his fortune to charity, with 83% 
of it going to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. His children will not 
inherit a significant proportion of his wealth. This is consistent with 
statements he has made in the past indicating his opposition to the transfer of 
great fortunes from one generation to the next. Buffett once commented, 'I want 
to give my kids just enough so that they would feel that they could do 
anything, but not so much that they would feel like doing nothing.'
On December 9, 2010, Buffett, Bill Gates, and Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, 
signed a promise they called the "Gates-Buffett Giving Pledge", in which they 
promised to donate to charity at least half of their wealth over time, and 
invited others among the wealthy to follow suit.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Buffett is as big an asshole as ever lived. He disowned one of his 
granddaughters for appearing in The One Percent, a documentary by Johnson & 
Johnson heir Jamie Johnson about the gap between rich and poor in America.
Screw Buffett.

  From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
 
 Away for a day and the thread moves on to other things. My take on the wealthy 
is some people pay attention to some of them, like Warren Buffet because he has 
had a rather astounding ability to make money and is nonetheless perceived as a 
fairly normal person without a lot of pretension. As for the 'Mind of the 
Meditator' my experience is that over a long period of time, for me, TM has 
resulted in  'open monitoring', the technique working in a kind of back door 
approach. TM and mindfulness are now essentially identical because there is no 
inner/outer dimension to meditation. That would be to say the techniques, 
though different in their approach, result in convergent evolution of 
experience as far as result. Once open monitoring is established, TM becomes 
more effort-full compared to mindfulness because you actually have to do 
something to initiate the process while with open monitoring, you need do 
nothing. For beginning meditators this distinction is different for it appears 
TM is a bit more efficient in helping people deal with discursive thought which 
tends to be rampant with newbie meditators, but this difference diminishes over 
time. TM mythology seems less adaptable to scientific discourse than do certain 
forms of Buddhist explanations for the nature of enlightenment, and seems to 
promote belief in imaginary ideas beyond what is necessary to get someone 
interested in enlightenment, which is much much less than what people imagine 
it to be.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Actually, people DO pay attention to what billlionaires say and do. 
You have completely departed from reality with this statement. Nobody gives a 
toss what millionaires do, their lives are so far removed from ours that they 
might as well be alien. 
It's like the celebrity obsession the TMO has, so what if some model or actress 
does the same sort of meditation, are they really so dumb they think people go 
"Wow, such and such does it, I'm gonna give it a try!" What do they take people 
for?


They really DO set the trends and fashions of society.
Bullshit. Would you hang out with someone who dressed like Bill Gates?

And of course, when Ray Dalio appears on the stage with Bob Roth, it makes all 
sorts of headlines in business journals.

Cultmania. I love it.




   #yiv3676311511 #yiv3676311511 -- #y

[FairfieldLife] orient and immortal

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

For your reading pleasure here is a passage from Thomas Traherne's Centuries 
(17th century). 
 

 One aspect that has always appealed to me is that the text (an old manuscript) 
was only discovered in 1896 in a street bookstall in London so was nearly lost 
to us for ever. 

 

 It purports to be Traherne's recollection of his childhood sensibility, but as 
Traherne was a genuine visionary it in fact reveals his adult enlightenment - 
his rebirth.
 

 

 

 The corn was orient and immortal wheat, which never
should be reaped, nor was ever sown. I thought it had stood
from everlasting to everlasting. The dust and stones of the
street were as precious as gold. The gates were at first the
end of the world, the green trees when I saw them first
through one of the gates transported and ravished me; their
sweetness and unusual beauty made my heart to leap, and
almost mad with ecstasy, they were such strange and
wonderful things. The men! O what venerable and reverend
creatures did the aged seem! Immortal cherubims! And the
young men glittering and sparkling angels and maids strange
seraphic pieces of life and beauty! Boys and girls tumbling
in the streets, and playing, were moving jewels. I knew not
that they were born or should die. But all things abided
eternally as they were in their proper places. Eternity was
manifest in the light of the day, and something infinite
behind everything appeared: which talked with my expectation
and moved my desire. The city seemed to stand in Eden, or to
be built in Heaven. The streets were mine, the temple was
mine, the people were mine, their clothes and gold and
silver was mine, as much their sparkling eyes, fair skins,
and ruddy faces. The skies were mine, and so were the sun
and moon and stars, and all the world was mine, and I the only 
 specatator and enjoyer of it. I knew no churlish
proprieties, nor bounds nor divisions; but all proprieties
and divisions were mine: all treasures and the possessors of
them. So that with much ado I was corrupted; and made to
learn the dirty devices of this world. Which I now unlearn,
and become as it were a little child again, that I may enter
into the Kingdom of God.

 

 

 

  

[FairfieldLife] The Creatures of Grimm

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

at http://tinyurl.com/ouxss26 http://tinyurl.com/ouxss26
 You may have to copy and paste if it doesn't click onbut worth it!
 Have any of these Creatures been seen in Fairfield?  In Portland?

[FairfieldLife] Eat sh!t

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You learn something new every day. It seems there's a current fad for children 
to bake "unicorn poop" cookies. It's kinda gross and it's kinda amusing. Does 
this one take your fancy?
 

 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] The Jinnamuru Xunte

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The Jinnamuru Xunte is a hideous fly-like creature that feeds of victim's tears.
 Will something like this be the fate of the TM Movement? Ye have been 
forewarned.. (watch the brief video of this creature - lasts about 30 sec).
 http://tinyurl.com/papsxka http://tinyurl.com/papsxka
 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Eat sh!t

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I found it difficult to locate information on a Unicorn diet, but here is a 
Unicorn Food Pyramid: 
https://todaysunicornfact.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/unicorn-food-pyramid.jpg 
https://todaysunicornfact.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/unicorn-food-pyramid.jpg 
 
 https://todaysunicornfact.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/unicorn-food-pyramid.jpg 
 
 https://todaysunicornfact.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/un... 
https://todaysunicornfact.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/unicorn-food-pyramid.jpg 
 
 
 View on todaysunicornfact.file... 
https://todaysunicornfact.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/unicorn-food-pyramid.jpg 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  
I would recommend this diet for MJ, I think the sugar might sweeten him up a 
bit.
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You learn something new every day. It seems there's a current fad for children 
to bake "unicorn poop" cookies. It's kinda gross and it's kinda amusing. Does 
this one take your fancy?
 

 

 

 




 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Rise of ISIS

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It seems to me that the exact *same* astrological configuration is causing the 
"positive TM news" that Lawson reported yesterday. And for that matter, ALL of 
*both* the "good news" and "bad news" you or anyone else can cite. 

You can't have it both ways, Chucko. If the placement of a bunch of big rocks 
in the sky is the "cause" of one thing you choose to focus on, it's also the 
"cause" of everything you choose *not* to focus on. 
  From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 7:22 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Rise of ISIS
   
    In astrological terms, the rise of ISIS is due to the transit of Saturn in 
Scorpio, a sign representing death or the 8th house of the Cosmic Man or the 
Kalachakra, the wheel of time.  Saturn is particularly virulent in the sign 
because it is owned by Mars, the enemy of Saturn.
Hence, we see ISIS flaunting a black flag and the rebels wearing black garbs, 
the color of Saturn.  They commit heinous crimes by decapitating their captives 
to terrorize the world of their dark intentions, the establishment of a 
caliphate in the Middle East and perhaps the world.
It will take about a year and and half to vanquish this menace in the world.  
Why?  Because this is the remaining time that Saturn will take to transit the 
sign of Scorpio.  When Saturn enters the next sign of Sagittarius, peace in the 
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