[FairfieldLife] Russian crop circles....
It looks like the Space Brothers are spreading the message far and wide. If only we knew what the message was But looking at the shoddy work in parts of this one can we conclude they are maybe getting bored with it? http://rt.com/news/266719-crop-circles-drone-footage/ http://rt.com/news/266719-crop-circles-drone-footage/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
Doug, I want to thank you for finally breaking your silence and commenting on the things you will bear in mind when looking for posters to censor. Uh, I mean moderate, of course, because we all know that censorship would be BAD. But I think you're wrong about the reference value of the post below, so I will tell you why: 1. This post does NOT represent the feelings of all people who practice TM, although it claims to. Many on this forum who still practice TM and feel positively about Maharishi went out of their way at the time to comment that they did *NOT* feel insulted by the post this person is trying say was offensive and insulting. 2. This post is an attempt by one person to assert that she has the right to speak for ALL TMers and declare them all insulted by the post in question. She has neither that right, nor that ability. As mentioned in point #1, a few strong TMers spoke up back during the original furor saying that they did NOT find the post in question overly offensive, and that they did NOT feel personally offended by it. Thus the person writing this brief below is not only speaking for a group she has no right to speak for, she's WRONG in claiming that they would all feel insulted. She's trying to claim (in essence) that what *she* felt is what *everyone* who practices TM would feel. 3. She's even WRONG about the insulting nature of the post. While the language used to create the metaphor for a certain mindset is admittedly over the top (for effect), the mindset is very real, and has been documented many times in the past -- on this forum and elsewhere. Every time a person knew that Maharishi in real life did and said things that his PR and his dogma claimed he was incapable of doing -- and *ignored* what they knew about what went on in real life -- they were exhibiting this mindset. I call the mindset Attempting to deal with cognitive dissonance by denying the existence of the conflicting reality that goes against what they've been told to believe. For example, every time one of the skin boys told someone that Maharishi never entertained women in his room after hours *when they knew better because they were there and let the women in*, they were exhibiting this mindset. We have *several* of these skin boys on record as belatedly admitting to have lied in this fashion. Or take the TM teachers who, if asked, would swear on a stack of Gitas that Maharishi was *incapable* of being dishonest or breaking the law because he was so in tune with the laws of nature that being dishonest would be impossible for him. Then remember that some of the TM teachers saying this had *themselves* been asked by Maharishi to illegally carry large sums of money from Europe to the US, or from Europe to India. They *knew* he was capable of breaking the law because he had asked them to do it for him, but when asked, they denied that he was even *capable* of breaking the law. THAT is the mindset I'm speaking about, and that my metaphor was carefully chosen to represent. It exists. It's more prevalent than people like the author of the screed below want to admit. 4. A *group* cannot feel insulted -- only individual humans can feel insulted. This is the problem posed by radical Muslims who claim that saying something they don't like about Mohammed is heresy and insults ALL Muslims. Bullshit. 95% of Muslims don't give a shit what some person from another religion or from no religion says about Mohammed. The people claiming that a *group* is offended are just posturing and demonstrating faux outrage. Below, this person is trying to recruit people who feel like they're a part of the group she's faux defending into agreeing with her, and feel insulted by what I posted. Unfortunately for her, many members of the TMer group here on FFL *didn't*, so she failed even in that. 5. Finally, the last and most important point -- and the one that those like the person below who are *still* trying to use this moderator boondoggle to get the people they've obsessively hated for decades want to obscure -- is that all of this is IN THE PAST. As such, it is not admissible evidence when attempting to moderate or ban anyone in the future. Buck has elsewhere *claimed* that he will base his decisions as a moderator on current activity. I don't actually believe him, or believe him capable of doing so, but he *has* claimed it, so if he ever tries to moderate someone based on their supposed history, everyone has the right to say, Now WAIT a minute, Doug...you can't do that. You have to show us the exact post you feel is offensive, and it has to have been made since you became moderator and claimed in public that you would allow everyone to 'start over clean.' Doug, I do not envy you the task you've set for yourself. I think you were quite foolish to undertake it, in fact. But since you have, I really *AM* trying to help by pointing out errors of thinking that -- if you
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number, and got post 416431 instead. Sorry. Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3. I still stand behind what I said in my last paragraph, however, because if Doug actually took what Michael said in the real post #416341 as a threat, he's not terribly sane. Michael suggesting that he would verbally slap someone is NOT a threat. Here is what Michael actually SAID, and that Doug is so biased that he's characterizing as a threat. Jesus Christ. I really which I could attend. I would verbally slap this jackass into the middle of next week. What a huckster. A cardiologist claiming expertise in a non-existent form of psychiatry, laced with ancient superstition. Some of you folk in Fairfield are indeed making progress in helping those who need help with mental and emotional problems, this ass is not one of them. I hope he gets shut down in a time soon to come. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seemto have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status herebetter provide safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFLwith their experiences? For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or someone from his office come on here andexpress their feelings in conversation here, without threat of abuse. Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL as avehicle. OK, Doug, here is another example that demonstrates how incapable you are (so far) of moderating this group fairly: 1. The post you cite (#416341) is *not even from Michael*. It's from serious_richard. You care so little about facts that you aren't even careful enough to point to the *right* post you feel is a threat. 2. The content of Michael's that was encapsulated inside the post you pointed to is *also* not a threat in any way. He said, Even if I say that Marshy was a liar, cheat, fraud and con artist and that he was a serial womanizer? In the recent past, you replied to Michael saying that you didn't feel that such a statement was cause for moderation, and NOW you're pointing to it as a threat? WTF, man. 3. What Michael posted (as a query, we should all remember) was NOT a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, as you claim above in your last sentence. There actually IS ample evidence -- both in the mainstream media and in the FFL archives -- that Maharishi WAS a liar, a cheat, a fraud, a con artist, and a serial womanizer. The fact that some don't choose to believe this evidence does not mean that evidence is not true. So again, Michael stating actual *facts* based on freely-available evidence cannot be construed as a slur, let alone a threat. Doug, you've really got to work on cleaning up YOUR act before you can ever expect anyone to accept you as a fair and honorable moderator. BOTH of the posts I have taken the trouble to comment on this morning indicate that you are anything BUT fair. Your bias is obvious. I honestly hope that you are able to get it under control. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted myspiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.ashas been done to every single person who has come here to reportsuchlike. I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result? From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I'm thinking over here that having had an experience does not validate as necessarily true the thoughts that arise afterwards. We see most folks here thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant with the ultimate reality of their recent experience. To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about levitation necessarily true. Even the person who levitates can be expected to have but a mere abstraction for an explanation that is open to every sort of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
RE post 416341 It's just a knee jerk reaction, nothing to worry about. I said exactly the same thing only with the addition of a few qualifying statements. I'm sure that if anyone from MUM joined up for a chat we'd all be interested to hear what they have to say, just because we rant occasionally amongst ourselves doesn't mean we're a bunch of animals. When Fred Travis joined in with TM-Free he got a very respectful welcome and some serious questions all of which he attempted to answer - he even agreed with me that the TMO shouldn't try to make money out of products - yagya, MVVT etc - that it hasn't scientifically verified! I'd rather you got Nader or Hagelin though, I'll line up some proper physicists and we'll have a grand old time. Just out of interest though, what do you think the term spiritual actually means? It comes from the Latin Spiritus Animus or that which animates us. The idea being that there is some spark or soul within us that gives us life. It's a term that seems to have morphed somewhat in recent years though with the co-opting and mingling of scientific principles with eastern thought whether it's justified or not. Discussions about whether such an entity exists, how it might work and what it might do are what interest me most, and whether Spiritual is a mere religious system nowadays rather than the all encompassing Theory of Everything that it claims to be. Anyway, it's lucky that Rick just put FFL in that category because it seems to fit with the TM belief system and that he wasn't seriously expecting us to limit our conversation to matters of the new age and nothing else. From the FFL home page: Pretty much any topic is fair game. What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite. ~ Bertrand Russell I mention all this Doug, because you have a history of accepting and promoting the dogmatic insistence of the TMO that certain of it's beliefs are in fact facts and I don't want alternative viewpoints moderated on partisan grounds. Things should stand or fall on the strength of evidence not devotion. The healthy mind challenges its own assumptions. ~ The I Ching ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : MJ, FFL being categorized with Yahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people could come in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seem to have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status here better provide safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFL with their experiences? For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or someone from his office come on here and express their feelings in conversation here, without threat of abuse. Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL as a vehicle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.as has been done to every single person who has come here to report suchlike. I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result? From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I'm thinking over here that having had an experience does not validate as necessarily true the thoughts that arise afterwards. We see most folks here thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant with the ultimate reality of their recent experience. To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about levitation necessarily true. Even the person who levitates can be expected to have but a mere abstraction for an explanation that is open to every sort of nay-saying. Relativity being such a dynamic, if one knows this, hypocrisy of a deeper degree is needed to validate one's thoughts and yet invalidate the subsequent thoughts of others -- others that had differing experiences. Nabby is a very very sincere poster, for instance, yet we found him being bonked by those who claim to not personally have such blinkeredness when it is obvious to all that everyone is blinkered in some IMPORTANT and PROFOUND manner. Stone, glass house and all that. No one gets to toss the first stone. Or the second. I would expect that someone who found fault in others for being a true believer and running with it, would be especially careful to underline ones obvious conflict of interests. As
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seemto have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status herebetter provide safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFLwith their experiences? For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or someone from his office come on here andexpress their feelings in conversation here, without threat of abuse. Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL as avehicle. OK, Doug, here is another example that demonstrates how incapable you are (so far) of moderating this group fairly: 1. The post you cite (#416341) is *not even from Michael*. It's from serious_richard. You care so little about facts that you aren't even careful enough to point to the *right* post you feel is a threat. 2. The content of Michael's that was encapsulated inside the post you pointed to is *also* not a threat in any way. He said, Even if I say that Marshy was a liar, cheat, fraud and con artist and that he was a serial womanizer? In the recent past, you replied to Michael saying that you didn't feel that such a statement was cause for moderation, and NOW you're pointing to it as a threat? WTF, man. 3. What Michael posted (as a query, we should all remember) was NOT a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, as you claim above in your last sentence. There actually IS ample evidence -- both in the mainstream media and in the FFL archives -- that Maharishi WAS a liar, a cheat, a fraud, a con artist, and a serial womanizer. The fact that some don't choose to believe this evidence does not mean that evidence is not true. So again, Michael stating actual *facts* based on freely-available evidence cannot be construed as a slur, let alone a threat. Doug, you've really got to work on cleaning up YOUR act before you can ever expect anyone to accept you as a fair and honorable moderator. BOTH of the posts I have taken the trouble to comment on this morning indicate that you are anything BUT fair. Your bias is obvious. I honestly hope that you are able to get it under control. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted myspiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.ashas been done to every single person who has come here to reportsuchlike. I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result? From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I'm thinking over here that having had an experience does not validate as necessarily true the thoughts that arise afterwards. We see most folks here thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant with the ultimate reality of their recent experience. To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about levitation necessarily true. Even the person who levitates can be expected to have but a mere abstraction for an explanation that is open to every sort of nay-saying. Relativity being such a dynamic, if one knows this, hypocrisy of a deeper degree is needed to validate one's thoughts and yet invalidate the subsequent thoughts of others -- others that had differing experiences. Nabby is a very very sincere poster, for instance, yet we found him being bonked by those who claim to not personally have such blinkeredness when it is obvious to all that everyone is blinkered in some IMPORTANT and PROFOUND manner. Stone, glass house and all that. No one gets to toss the first stone. Or the second. I would expect that someone who found fault in others for being a true believer and running with it, would be especially careful to underline ones obvious conflict of interests. As for me being inside my head and not having had experiences. Harrumph. While this assertion is not couched in the normal cruel-troll manner of FFL-past, it does seem to accuse me of being spiritually bereft of the basic information needed to be clear about spirituality. Only I could know if that's true -- to assert it as true is to do a one-upman-ship deal. I claim that this kind of insinuation is AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Memory of Denali...and Paris
Probably more than I do. :-)
From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Memory of Denali...and Paris
Does Paris have the Buddha-nature?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Here's a nice video posted by a Facebook friend today. The sentiment at the end
made me think of my dog Paris and how much I miss him: When someone you love
walks through your door, even if it happens five times a day, you should just
go totally insane with joy. That's Paris below the video link...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: You can't stop progress...
With all the focus and intention, I find that much too complicated. Swami Cpapananda's spiritual technology is much easier; it automatically makes you enlightened with pranayam while you sleep. Friends of mine are devotees, and they say it works great. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : A Five Minute Magnetic Meditation to Cultivate Observer Consciousness http://themindunleashed.org/2013/12/five-minute-magnetic-meditation-cultivate-observer-consciousness.html http://themindunleashed.org/2013/12/five-minute-magnetic-meditation-cultivate-observer-consciousness.html A Five Minute Magnetic Meditation to Cultivate Obs... http://themindunleashed.org/2013/12/five-minute-magnetic-meditation-cultivate-observer-consciousness.html Many spiritual practitioners seek to maintain observer consciousness—the perspective beyond the limited view of the ego. However, keeping observer consc... View on themindunleashed.org http://themindunleashed.org/2013/12/five-minute-magnetic-meditation-cultivate-observer-consciousness.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
All I can say is that my post referenced VEBAL slapping, meaning that I would not cut Schneider any slack for his prepsoterous claims for TM, especially his idea that he as a cardiologist is in any way an expert or authority on any form of psychiatry. Having watched his first Vedic psychiatry presentation I have already stated here on FFL that his ideas are more TM fluff and bs. I am pretty sure that neither Schneider nor any other TM big shot has any desire to show up here on FFL where there are too many former TM'ers who have stopped drinking the kool-aide and have seen the man behind the curtain. Those guys prefer an audience who is guzzling the soporific of TM PR and so applaud instead of asking incisive or even intelligent questions. I would however love to see any exchanges between Hagelin and Sal and his physicist friends. I don't know what you expect would happen if one of the TM hot shots posted here. How can you not call a liar a liar? And Marshy was a liar, and he set the tone for all his followers. I also expect to be the first FFL member to be banned by Dougy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number, and got post 416431 instead. Sorry. Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3. I still stand behind what I said in my last paragraph, however, because if Doug actually took what Michael said in the real post #416341 as a threat, he's not terribly sane. Michael suggesting that he would verbally slap someone is NOT a threat. Here is what Michael actually SAID, and that Doug is so biased that he's characterizing as a threat. Jesus Christ. I really which I could attend. I would verbally slap this jackass into the middle of next week. What a huckster. A cardiologist claiming expertise in a non-existent form of psychiatry, laced with ancient superstition. Some of you folk in Fairfield are indeed making progress in helping those who need help with mental and emotional problems, this ass is not one of them. I hope he gets shut down in a time soon to come. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seemto have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status herebetter provide safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFLwith their experiences? For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or someone from his office come on here andexpress their feelings in conversation here, without threat of abuse. Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL as avehicle. OK, Doug, here is another example that demonstrates how incapable you are (so far) of moderating this group fairly: 1. The post you cite (#416341) is *not even from Michael*. It's from serious_richard. You care so little about facts that you aren't even careful enough to point to the *right* post you feel is a threat. 2. The content of Michael's that was encapsulated inside the post you pointed to is *also* not a threat in any way. He said, Even if I say that Marshy was a liar, cheat, fraud and con artist and that he was a serial womanizer? In the recent past, you replied to Michael saying that you didn't feel that such a statement was cause for moderation, and NOW you're pointing to it as a threat? WTF, man. 3. What Michael posted (as a query, we should all remember) was NOT a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, as you claim above in your last sentence. There actually IS ample evidence -- both in the mainstream media and in the FFL archives -- that Maharishi WAS a liar, a cheat, a fraud, a con artist, and a serial womanizer. The fact that some don't choose to believe this evidence does not mean that evidence is not true. So again, Michael stating actual *facts* based on freely-available evidence cannot be construed as a slur, let alone a threat. Doug, you've really got to work on cleaning up YOUR act before you can ever expect anyone to accept you as a fair
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
In case you missed some of the old stuff that was in your absence, here it is, 11. It was a medical issue. The constant presence of Jim's, Nabby's, Steve's, and Ann's tongues up Judy's ass was aggravating her Crohn's Disease and giving her constant diarrhea. The only way she could get rid of it was to get rid of them. :-) 414053 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/414053 So far, not even Ann, who probably has her tongue stuck up Judy's butt and has been unable to post yet today. :-) 373266 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/373266 --- authfriend@... wrote : Oh, Barry, you doofus, you screwed up AGAIN. Twice in one morning! You need more coffee, or stronger coffee, or more sleep, or something. All that writing time wasted... NOWHERE did I claim to represent the feelings of all people who practice TM. I was quite obviously speaking of the same people referred to in the quote from the post I was commenting on--those who were insulted by the earlier post in question. How could you have missed that?? This mistake invalidates all the other accusations you make against me here. And NOWHERE did I suggest that earlier post was admissible evidence to trigger moderation in the future. I'd be the first to complain if past behavior, appalling as it may have been, was used in this way. It's simply a matter of getting the history straight, because it tends to become distorted at the hands of...uh...certain people here. I think that's what Doug had in mind when he said that what I wrote will serve as a reference of a time on FFL. A post like the one I'm now commenting on, however, full of accusations made up out of whole cloth, might well be a target for moderation. But that's up to Doug. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : Doug, I want to thank you for finally breaking your silence and commenting on the things you will bear in mind when looking for posters to censor. Uh, I mean moderate, of course, because we all know that censorship would be BAD. But I think you're wrong about the reference value of the post below, so I will tell you why: 1. This post does NOT represent the feelings of all people who practice TM, although it claims to. Many on this forum who still practice TM and feel positively about Maharishi went out of their way at the time to comment that they did *NOT* feel insulted by the post this person is trying say was offensive and insulting. 2. This post is an attempt by one person to assert that she has the right to speak for ALL TMers and declare them all insulted by the post in question. She has neither that right, nor that ability. As mentioned in point #1, a few strong TMers spoke up back during the original furor saying that they did NOT find the post in question overly offensive, and that they did NOT feel personally offended by it. Thus the person writing this brief below is not only speaking for a group she has no right to speak for, she's WRONG in claiming that they would all feel insulted. She's trying to claim (in essence) that what *she* felt is what *everyone* who practices TM would feel. 3. She's even WRONG about the insulting nature of the post. While the language used to create the metaphor for a certain mindset is admittedly over the top (for effect), the mindset is very real, and has been documented many times in the past -- on this forum and elsewhere. Every time a person knew that Maharishi in real life did and said things that his PR and his dogma claimed he was incapable of doing -- and *ignored* what they knew about what went on in real life -- they were exhibiting this mindset. I call the mindset Attempting to deal with cognitive dissonance by denying the existence of the conflicting reality that goes against what they've been told to believe. For example, every time one of the skin boys told someone that Maharishi never entertained women in his room after hours *when they knew better because they were there and let the women in*, they were exhibiting this mindset. We have *several* of these skin boys on record as belatedly admitting to have lied in this fashion. Or take the TM teachers who, if asked, would swear on a stack of Gitas that Maharishi was *incapable* of being dishonest or breaking the law because he was so in tune with the laws of nature that being dishonest would be impossible for him. Then remember that some of the TM teachers saying this had *themselves* been asked by Maharishi to illegally carry large sums of money from Europe to the US, or from Europe to India. They *knew* he was capable of breaking the law because he had asked them to do it for him, but when asked, they denied that he was even *capable* of breaking the law. THAT is the mindset I'm speaking about, and that my metaphor was carefully chosen to represent. It exists. It's more prevalent than people like
[FairfieldLife] You can't stop progress...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
Doug, I'm not sure what Barry has written here with this novella, but obviously anyone this unhappy with FFL should just up and start their own site as has been suggested by Xeno. It is a little sad in fact to see this level of attachment from someone who professes to be the paragon of non attachment Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doug, I want to thank you for finally breaking your silence and commenting on the things you will bear in mind when looking for posters to censor. Uh, I mean moderate, of course, because we all know that censorship would be BAD. But I think you're wrong about the reference value of the post below, so I will tell you why: 1. This post does NOT represent the feelings of all people who practice TM, although it claims to. Many on this forum who still practice TM and feel positively about Maharishi went out of their way at the time to comment that they did *NOT* feel insulted by the post this person is trying say was offensive and insulting. 2. This post is an attempt by one person to assert that she has the right to speak for ALL TMers and declare them all insulted by the post in question. She has neither that right, nor that ability. As mentioned in point #1, a few strong TMers spoke up back during the original furor saying that they did NOT find the post in question overly offensive, and that they did NOT feel personally offended by it. Thus the person writing this brief below is not only speaking for a group she has no right to speak for, she's WRONG in claiming that they would all feel insulted. She's trying to claim (in essence) that what *she* felt is what *everyone* who practices TM would feel. 3. She's even WRONG about the insulting nature of the post. While the language used to create the metaphor for a certain mindset is admittedly over the top (for effect), the mindset is very real, and has been documented many times in the past -- on this forum and elsewhere. Every time a person knew that Maharishi in real life did and said things that his PR and his dogma claimed he was incapable of doing -- and *ignored* what they knew about what went on in real life -- they were exhibiting this mindset. I call the mindset Attempting to deal with cognitive dissonance by denying the existence of the conflicting reality that goes against what they've been told to believe. For example, every time one of the skin boys told someone that Maharishi never entertained women in his room after hours *when they knew better because they were there and let the women in*, they were exhibiting this mindset. We have *several* of these skin boys on record as belatedly admitting to have lied in this fashion. Or take the TM teachers who, if asked, would swear on a stack of Gitas that Maharishi was *incapable* of being dishonest or breaking the law because he was so in tune with the laws of nature that being dishonest would be impossible for him. Then remember that some of the TM teachers saying this had *themselves* been asked by Maharishi to illegally carry large sums of money from Europe to the US, or from Europe to India. They *knew* he was capable of breaking the law because he had asked them to do it for him, but when asked, they denied that he was even *capable* of breaking the law. THAT is the mindset I'm speaking about, and that my metaphor was carefully chosen to represent. It exists. It's more prevalent than people like the author of the screed below want to admit. 4. A *group* cannot feel insulted -- only individual humans can feel insulted. This is the problem posed by radical Muslims who claim that saying something they don't like about Mohammed is heresy and insults ALL Muslims. Bullshit. 95% of Muslims don't give a shit what some person from another religion or from no religion says about Mohammed. The people claiming that a *group* is offended are just posturing and demonstrating faux outrage. Below, this person is trying to recruit people who feel like they're a part of the group she's faux defending into agreeing with her, and feel insulted by what I posted. Unfortunately for her, many members of the TMer group here on FFL *didn't*, so she failed even in that. 5. Finally, the last and most important point -- and the one that those like the person below who are *still* trying to use this moderator boondoggle to get the people they've obsessively hated for decades want to obscure -- is that all of this is IN THE PAST. As such, it is not admissible evidence when attempting to moderate or ban anyone in the future. Buck has elsewhere *claimed* that he will base his decisions as a moderator on current activity. I don't actually believe him, or believe him capable of doing so, but he *has* claimed it, so if he ever tries to moderate someone based on their supposed history, everyone has the right to say, Now WAIT a minute,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversations withe Maharishi: The normality of Brahman
FW: Dear Friend, The two-volume set Conversations with Maharishi by Dr. Vernon Katz has been the most popular set of books published by Maharishi University of Management Press. The fascinating dialogues between Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Dr. Katz not only provide the reader with profound insights into and analyses of the heights of human consciousness but also offer a rare glimpse into the flow of knowledge between Maharishi and a beloved student. Dr. Katz first began working with Maharishi in the early 1960s on Maharishi’s translation of commentary on the first six chapters of the Bhagavad-Gita. Maharishi appreciated Dr. Katz’s keen intellect and the penetrating questions that brought out wave upon wave of knowledge from Maharishi. The conversations in these books center around the Brahma Sutras, a key text of the timeless wisdom of Vedanta. Many of the insights elicited by the inquiries of Dr. Katz can be found only within the pages of these books. The chief editor of this two-volume series is Dr. Susan Brown, a faculty member of the college of Maharishi Vedic Science at Maharishi University of Management. Dr. Brown found the experience of working with Vernon on his manuscript exhilarating. “Vernon’s books of conversations allow us to listen in while Maharishi unfolds the supreme wisdom of life in the Brahm Sutra. The many hours spent in such conversations with Maharishi honed Vernon’s already refined heart and mind — which we now enjoy both in working with Vernon and in the precious fruits of his time with Maharishi, which he is so generous to share.” Maharishi University of Management Press is pleased to announce a special offer for those who purchase both volumes together. We will take 6 dollars off the price of each book...a 15 percent discount.* I am sure you will find these two volumes to be among your most treasured of books that have recorded the timeless wisdom of Maharishi. Best wishes always, Jai Guru Dev Maharishi University of Management Press To order your discounted two volumes set of Conversations with Maharishi, click here. http://www.mumpress.com/books/other-authors/f06-3.html To order your copy of Conversations with Maharishi, Volume One, click here. http://www.mumpress.com/books/other-authors/f06.html To order your copy of Conversations with Maharishi, Volume Two, click here. http://www.mumpress.com/books/other-authors/f06-2.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote : That is true. Is a really good book in conversation where you get to hear their sense of humor and Maharishi's depth around all this spiritual stuff. For academic reasons I have been reading through the sequence of a lot of earlier large format publications that Maharishi produced once the Heidelberg color presses were purchased to look at the historical progression through them. This Conversations with Maharishi book, though a recent post-humus book, drops in to that 1960's period of Maharishi's Being with the BGita and the Brahma Sutras. -Buck nablusoss1008 writes: Conversations with Maharishi vol. 1 from MUM, highly recommendable. Lot's of very interesting topics, the translation and commentaries to the Brahma Sutras being one of the best. Maharishi's humor and Vernon's constant nagging coming as a good nr 2 :-) Conversations with Maharishi By Dr. Vernon Katz Hardcover, 393 pages Published in 2011 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Speaks about Full Development of Human Consciousness The majestic panoramas of Lake Tahoe in California and the Kashmir Valley in the Himalayas provided the ideal settings for the conversations in this book. It was there in 1968 and 1969 that Maharishi began his as-yet-unpublished commentary on the Brahma Sutra, a key text of the timeless wisdom of Vedanta. The penetrating questions asked by Dr. Katz inspired deep insights from Maharishi on the nature and development of higher states of consciousness. Through Maharishi's words, the ultimate reality of life becomes meaningful and practical for people living today: anyone can awaken the wholeness of consciousness within. These conversations are suffused with bliss and serve as a tribute to Maharishi's legacy of knowledge for full development of the human heart and mind. Maharishi: People will enjoy this book. They will enjoy your insight. VK: I haven't any insight. It's your wisdom they will enjoy, and they will enjoy it all the more when set against my ignorance. Maharishi: See what insight you have! Dr. Vernon Katz brought such huge delight to Maharishi. His sweet and lovable nature was one thing-but his powerful and highly discriminating intellect and his repeated enquiries to Maharishi inspired Maharishi so much. Maharishi in conversation with Vernon brought out wave upon wave of the highest knowledge to satisfy Vernon's thirst to understand fully the Brahm Vidya that Maharishi was expounding to the world. And Maharishi loved him for it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
Oh, Barry, you doofus, you screwed up AGAIN. Twice in one morning! You need more coffee, or stronger coffee, or more sleep, or something. All that writing time wasted... NOWHERE did I claim to represent the feelings of all people who practice TM. I was quite obviously speaking of the same people referred to in the quote from the post I was commenting on--those who were insulted by the earlier post in question. How could you have missed that?? This mistake invalidates all the other accusations you make against me here. And NOWHERE did I suggest that earlier post was admissible evidence to trigger moderation in the future. I'd be the first to complain if past behavior, appalling as it may have been, was used in this way. It's simply a matter of getting the history straight, because it tends to become distorted at the hands of...uh...certain people here. I think that's what Doug had in mind when he said that what I wrote will serve as a reference of a time on FFL. A post like the one I'm now commenting on, however, full of accusations made up out of whole cloth, might well be a target for moderation. But that's up to Doug. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doug, I want to thank you for finally breaking your silence and commenting on the things you will bear in mind when looking for posters to censor. Uh, I mean moderate, of course, because we all know that censorship would be BAD. But I think you're wrong about the reference value of the post below, so I will tell you why: 1. This post does NOT represent the feelings of all people who practice TM, although it claims to. Many on this forum who still practice TM and feel positively about Maharishi went out of their way at the time to comment that they did *NOT* feel insulted by the post this person is trying say was offensive and insulting. 2. This post is an attempt by one person to assert that she has the right to speak for ALL TMers and declare them all insulted by the post in question. She has neither that right, nor that ability. As mentioned in point #1, a few strong TMers spoke up back during the original furor saying that they did NOT find the post in question overly offensive, and that they did NOT feel personally offended by it. Thus the person writing this brief below is not only speaking for a group she has no right to speak for, she's WRONG in claiming that they would all feel insulted. She's trying to claim (in essence) that what *she* felt is what *everyone* who practices TM would feel. 3. She's even WRONG about the insulting nature of the post. While the language used to create the metaphor for a certain mindset is admittedly over the top (for effect), the mindset is very real, and has been documented many times in the past -- on this forum and elsewhere. Every time a person knew that Maharishi in real life did and said things that his PR and his dogma claimed he was incapable of doing -- and *ignored* what they knew about what went on in real life -- they were exhibiting this mindset. I call the mindset Attempting to deal with cognitive dissonance by denying the existence of the conflicting reality that goes against what they've been told to believe. For example, every time one of the skin boys told someone that Maharishi never entertained women in his room after hours *when they knew better because they were there and let the women in*, they were exhibiting this mindset. We have *several* of these skin boys on record as belatedly admitting to have lied in this fashion. Or take the TM teachers who, if asked, would swear on a stack of Gitas that Maharishi was *incapable* of being dishonest or breaking the law because he was so in tune with the laws of nature that being dishonest would be impossible for him. Then remember that some of the TM teachers saying this had *themselves* been asked by Maharishi to illegally carry large sums of money from Europe to the US, or from Europe to India. They *knew* he was capable of breaking the law because he had asked them to do it for him, but when asked, they denied that he was even *capable* of breaking the law. THAT is the mindset I'm speaking about, and that my metaphor was carefully chosen to represent. It exists. It's more prevalent than people like the author of the screed below want to admit. 4. A *group* cannot feel insulted -- only individual humans can feel insulted. This is the problem posed by radical Muslims who claim that saying something they don't like about Mohammed is heresy and insults ALL Muslims. Bullshit. 95% of Muslims don't give a shit what some person from another religion or from no religion says about Mohammed. The people claiming that a *group* is offended are just posturing and demonstrating faux outrage. Below, this person is trying to recruit people who feel like they're a part of the group she's faux defending into
Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails
They were trying to get these bills passed without disclosing what was in them. We may have a Republic but the people still have the right to know. Obama wanted dictatorial powers at the behest of the corporations. No such bills should EVER be passed unless our legislators can tell us what is in them. The real news is that the Democrats including Pelosi this time did not back Obama. Believe the corporate thugs will try again. In other new, Net Neutrality is now official. On 06/12/2015 12:17 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What was in the trade bill/bills that was upsetting so many people? I know it's been freaking people out for a while but never investigated to see what was up. I figured we're doomed anyway, LOL. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2015 1:15 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails Yay! Score one for the people. The House was able to defray the the descent into tyranny. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-obama-is-all-in-on-trade-sees-it-as-a-cornerstone-of-his-legacy/2015/06/12/32b6dce8-1073-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html
[FairfieldLife] Better than Trade Bills
Y'all are worryin' over unimportant stuff on that trade bill deal. Look and see what the Iowa Supreme Court is doing, based I am sure on the tremendous waves of upliftment they are getting from the Dome and yagya activity there inFairfield. Front porch not public space, Iowa Supreme Court rules | TheGazette | | | | | | | | | | | Front porch not public space, Iowa Supreme Court rules |...CEDAR RAPIDS - The Iowa Supreme Court overturned a Waterloo woman's conviction for public intoxication, ruling Friday she was intoxicated on the front por... | | | | View on thegazette.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
[FairfieldLife] Re: R.I.P. Christopher Lee
Here he is beating the crap out of John Peel: The Avengers Season 5 Episode 10 (Never Never Say Die) https://youtu.be/Ec6IV86uNqg?t=16m44s https://youtu.be/Ec6IV86uNqg?t=16m44s The Avengers Season 5 Episode 10 (Never Never S... https://youtu.be/Ec6IV86uNqg?t=16m44s The Avengers,The Avengers full episodes,The Avengers Full Episode,The Avengers Full,The Avengers HD,The Avengers 720p,Th... View on youtu.be https://youtu.be/Ec6IV86uNqg?t=16m44s Preview by Yahoo start around 16:44
Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails
Yeah, I know they wanted what was it in it concealed, kind of like Obamacare.
We have to pass it so we can see what's in it. I was just curious about what
they wanted concealed. I know unions were freaking out over it. I agree with
you as far as everyone should know what's in a bill before any vote is taken.
Maybe a two week congressional debate before a vote.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails
They were trying to get these bills passed without disclosing what was in
them. We may have a Republic but the people still have the right to know.
Obama wanted dictatorial powers at the behest of the corporations. No such
bills should EVER be passed unless our legislators can tell us what is in them.
The real news is that the Democrats including Pelosi this time did not back
Obama. Believe the corporate thugs will try again.
In other new, Net Neutrality is now official.
On 06/12/2015 12:17 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
What was in the trade bill/bills that was upsetting so many people? I
know it's been freaking people out for a while but never investigated to see
what was up. I figured we're doomed anyway, LOL.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 1:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails
Yay! Score one for the people. The House was able to defray the the
descent into tyranny.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-obama-is-all-in-on-trade-sees-it-as-a-cornerstone-of-his-legacy/2015/06/12/32b6dce8-1073-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html
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[FairfieldLife] How deceitful are FFL posters?
A 15-minute personality test http://hexaco.org/questionnaire_quiz, called the Hexaco Personality Inventory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEXACO_model_of_personality_structure, allows anyone to determine, scientifically, just how Machiavellian they are by answering 100 hypothetical questions. And now new research carried out at Carnegie Mellon University in the United States has found that those who score higher for Machiavellian traits in the test are more likely to be deceitful and self-serving in real-life situations. http://hexaco.org/hexaco-online http://hexaco.org/hexaco-online
Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails
In a remarkable rejection of a president they have resolutely backed, House
Democrats voted to kill assistance to workers displaced by global trade, a
program their party created and has stood by for four decades. By doing so,
they brought down legislation granting the president trade promotion authority
— the power to negotiate trade deals that cannot be amended or filibustered by
Congress — before it could even come to a final vote.
from the NY Times
From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails
What was in the trade bill/bills that was upsetting so many people? I know
it's been freaking people out for a while but never investigated to see what
was up. I figured we're doomed anyway, LOL.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 1:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails
Yay! Score one for the people. The House was able to defray the the
descent into tyranny.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-obama-is-all-in-on-trade-sees-it-as-a-cornerstone-of-his-legacy/2015/06/12/32b6dce8-1073-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails
The NY Times put a spin on that by saying Democrats voted to kill assistance to workers displaced by global trade thus trying to make the Democrats look bad. But these bills are far worse than that. This was just one of several trade bills that need to be quashed. On 06/12/2015 02:18 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: In a remarkable rejection of a president they have resolutely backed, House Democrats voted to kill assistance to workers displaced by global trade, a program their party created and has stood by for four decades. By doing so, they brought down legislation granting the president trade promotion authority — the power to negotiate trade deals that cannot be amended or filibustered by Congress — before it could even come to a final vote. from the NY Times *From:* Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2015 3:17 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails What was in the trade bill/bills that was upsetting so many people? I know it's been freaking people out for a while but never investigated to see what was up. I figured we're doomed anyway, LOL. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2015 1:15 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails Yay! Score one for the people. The House was able to defray the the descent into tyranny. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-obama-is-all-in-on-trade-sees-it-as-a-cornerstone-of-his-legacy/2015/06/12/32b6dce8-1073-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails
What was in the trade bill/bills that was upsetting so many people? I know it's
been freaking people out for a while but never investigated to see what was up.
I figured we're doomed anyway, LOL.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 1:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails
Yay! Score one for the people. The House was able to defray the the
descent into tyranny.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-obama-is-all-in-on-trade-sees-it-as-a-cornerstone-of-his-legacy/2015/06/12/32b6dce8-1073-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
I must say that I've observed the same tendency in xeno. He has often asked me (in a rather pointed way) to define some terms I use, to which I happily oblige his request. But when I make the same request of him, the response goes silent. What I have done, is just to lower the expectations I have of my interactions with Xeno. It is a shame really, but I think it is the price one pays if one wants to keep up a dialog. I would say it reduces that dialog to not much of anything, but at least I have some kind of iron in the fire, even if that iron never gets very hot. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I note that while you frequently demand that other people define their terms, you have not been willing to define stupidest (and now smartest) that you've been harping on recently. Why would that be, I wonder? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I was not around today, but we want to keep FFL. My suggestion was only at the potential heels of despotic moderation of FFL. Those who dislike this site as it is now could think of going over to The Peak, as it was expressly created to avoid this place as it is now. People stay here because it is more intellectually stimulating, in spite of the fact there is one person here that is stupider than all the others. The 'stupidest person' here is really a symbol, like that of the 'unknown soldier', it expresses a principle, not a personality. There is also the smartest person here, but he/she has not posted in a while, and it's not me, it's not Barry, it's not Judy, and it certainly was not Robin. Perhaps that is a figment of my imagination, but someone in a group is always the brightest star in the heavens.
[FairfieldLife] People on Mars Could Look like ETs
That's because Mars has less gravity, less oxygen and less sunlight. Moving to Mars could create a whole new breed of people http://finance.yahoo.com/news/moving-mars-could-create-whole-19021.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/moving-mars-could-create-whole-19021.html Moving to Mars could create a whole new breed of people http://finance.yahoo.com/news/moving-mars-could-create-whole-19021.html A growing number of scientists think human colonization of the solar system is inevitable. It's... View on finance.yahoo.com http://finance.yahoo.com/news/moving-mars-could-create-whole-19021.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
I note that while you frequently demand that other people define their terms, you have not been willing to define stupidest (and now smartest) that you've been harping on recently. Why would that be, I wonder? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I was not around today, but we want to keep FFL. My suggestion was only at the potential heels of despotic moderation of FFL. Those who dislike this site as it is now could think of going over to The Peak, as it was expressly created to avoid this place as it is now. People stay here because it is more intellectually stimulating, in spite of the fact there is one person here that is stupider than all the others. The 'stupidest person' here is really a symbol, like that of the 'unknown soldier', it expresses a principle, not a personality. There is also the smartest person here, but he/she has not posted in a while, and it's not me, it's not Barry, it's not Judy, and it certainly was not Robin. Perhaps that is a figment of my imagination, but someone in a group is always the brightest star in the heavens.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails
Don't forget the unrestrained Souther Border in the defeated bill. You proly want all those new illegals to be your fellow demoncrats. Between the Demoncrats and the Republiscams, I'm thinking Austalia might be the place to move to next lifetime - if not this one.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
Duve, I don't know you but I am sorry you were hurt here on FFL this way in this thread. One would hope folks could bring their spiritual experience and insight here and not take abuse for it. I was wondering as I read that original offending post as it was written to you how you felt about it? It would seem at the least a felt apology to you is reasonably well within order. From its carefully written wind-up pitch and then follow-thru it appeared more as the corrosive meme in form that we have seen employed in method to degrade or humiliate people here on FFL. By contrast I would hope folks could feel safe enough here to stick around and share more freely on FFL of their thoughtful insights by experience, like that story of Joey the saint in school that you shared with us here. I do hope that you are not another casualty of wounded hurt by what evidently is an endemic culture of unkindness that has come in here. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, Michael, Jim was one of the abused, for sure -- not that he didn't counter with what I'd call ferocity. There's been many who have reported experiences and then blah-blahed about it suchly that others took umbrage. Don't make me look bad here, bro, heh, cuz I don't want to do the scholarship to look up the past in which might be examples. Pretty sure I'm not mis-rembering. Of course, if anyone came here promoting another guru, the volleys would be the psychic equivalent a fusillade of depleted uranium. Some gurus would be s instantly triggering to almost everyone here, but true-believers can be found by anyone it seems. Even renown gurus, say, Chopra, couldn't have a defender here -- it'd be a hanging! And, too, look at Nabby's crop circles thingie. Because most of us simply don't resonate with the concept (aliens leaving important symbols in crops -- they're not made by troll-guys with boards) he was made into the class-dunce here. I'm guilty of pretty much writing off Nabby in my posts -- not sure how brutal I got, but even a little derision from my side is unwarranted not to speak of being defensible. But, there it is -- you too, bro, -- we love to do this shit, SCREAM AT THE BAD GUYS, and it just sucks us down the slippery slope -- which is our projections masquerading as snow. It's just too damned easy to make fun of anyone. Too. How too? I used to teach what was then called Special Education. Elementary school. Two things about those with a seriously dented intellect: 1. They love to find fault in others AND CAN. 2. They will argue their position with great stubbornness despite all other evidence. I had to debate a nine year old, big-dent-in-his-skull, brain damaged in accident, 40 IQ kid about how to spell the word when. He almost won! See? We don't have a solution for this. Everyone is equally as likely to be holding onto non-truths -- and most of us are far more able than that nine-year old to sling words at the situation instead of actually facing our own self-deluding assertions: I know all there is to know about the present issue. I'm smarter than the other person. The other person's vibe is jerking me all to shit and I'm not going to cut this bastard a breakNOT TODAY. . Etc. Aaaand, by the way, that kid taught me one of life's deepest lessons. I posted about this here before: Here 'tis: Joey the Saint Joey had a fixation -- he was an assembler of trophies. His father was in business selling trophies and plaques, ya see, and Joey would make bowling, golf, baseball, etc. trophies out of the pieces his father could not use in the business and gave to Joey to play with. These were scuffed or dented, but to Joey they were GOLD. He made some of the goofiest looking amalgams -- football players in full stride with a football tucked in one arm and a tennis racket in the other, for instance. And it was always catch as catch can, but Joey didn't care. He just loved assembling them, thought they were very marketable, thought of himself as a businessman like his father. Oh, he was full of esteem about it, let me tell ya. It was, you see, just about the only thing Joey could do well in his own eyes. With a 40 IQ, Joey was looking at a future like a life sentence without a chance for parole, but Joey was happy -- happy as Trotakacharya with what he could do well. And Joey taught my class, in one stroke, something more important than ANYTHING I ever taught anyone in that class. One day, Joey came to school with three big boxes. His father helped him bring them in. And his father and I stood there and watched Joey teach us all. Joey opened the boxes, and out came a special, unique statue for every kid in the class. 18 statues made by Joey who couldn't spell the word statue. 18 statues that were to Joey, by his own inner logic, as precious as fingerprints that could
Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails
So you're in favor of American workers losing their jobs to workers in other countries? On 06/12/2015 07:22 PM, rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife] wrote: /So, you're opposed to free trade?/ Quoting Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com: They were trying to get these bills passed without disclosing what was in them. We may have a Republic but the people still have the right to know. Obama wanted dictatorial powers at the behest of the corporations. No such bills should EVER be passed unless our legislators can tell us what is in them. The real news is that the Democrats including Pelosi this time did not back Obama. Believe the corporate thugs will try again. In other new, Net Neutrality is now official. On 06/12/2015 12:17 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What was in the trade bill/bills that was upsetting so many people? I know it's been freaking people out for a while but never investigated to see what was up. I figured we're doomed anyway, LOL. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2015 1:15 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails Yay! Score one for the people. The House was able to defray the the descent into tyranny. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-obama-is-all-in-on-trade-sees-it-as-a-cornerstone-of-his-legacy/2015/06/12/32b6dce8-1073-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
I was not around today, but we want to keep FFL. My suggestion was only at the potential heels of despotic moderation of FFL. Those who dislike this site as it is now could think of going over to The Peak, as it was expressly created to avoid this place as it is now. People stay here because it is more intellectually stimulating, in spite of the fact there is one person here that is stupider than all the others. The 'stupidest person' here is really a symbol, like that of the 'unknown soldier', it expresses a principle, not a personality. There is also the smartest person here, but he/she has not posted in a while, and it's not me, it's not Barry, it's not Judy, and it certainly was not Robin. Perhaps that is a figment of my imagination, but someone in a group is always the brightest star in the heavens. Attachment in the spiritual sense just means the awareness is not identified with the attachment, the mind only is. So the self/awareness can be free, and some attachments may remain. Maharishi got attached to people. This is not the 'level' on which attachment/identification in the spiritual sense occurs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Doug, I'm not sure what Barry has written here with this novella, but obviously anyone this unhappy with FFL should just up and start their own site as has been suggested by Xeno. It is a little sad in fact to see this level of attachment from someone who professes to be the paragon of non attachment Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doug, I want to thank you for finally breaking your silence and commenting on the things you will bear in mind when looking for posters to censor. Uh, I mean moderate, of course, because we all know that censorship would be BAD. But I think you're wrong about the reference value of the post below, so I will tell you why: 1. This post does NOT represent the feelings of all people who practice TM, although it claims to. Many on this forum who still practice TM and feel positively about Maharishi went out of their way at the time to comment that they did *NOT* feel insulted by the post this person is trying say was offensive and insulting. 2. This post is an attempt by one person to assert that she has the right to speak for ALL TMers and declare them all insulted by the post in question. She has neither that right, nor that ability. As mentioned in point #1, a few strong TMers spoke up back during the original furor saying that they did NOT find the post in question overly offensive, and that they did NOT feel personally offended by it. Thus the person writing this brief below is not only speaking for a group she has no right to speak for, she's WRONG in claiming that they would all feel insulted. She's trying to claim (in essence) that what *she* felt is what *everyone* who practices TM would feel. 3. She's even WRONG about the insulting nature of the post. While the language used to create the metaphor for a certain mindset is admittedly over the top (for effect), the mindset is very real, and has been documented many times in the past -- on this forum and elsewhere. Every time a person knew that Maharishi in real life did and said things that his PR and his dogma claimed he was incapable of doing -- and *ignored* what they knew about what went on in real life -- they were exhibiting this mindset. I call the mindset Attempting to deal with cognitive dissonance by denying the existence of the conflicting reality that goes against what they've been told to believe. For example, every time one of the skin boys told someone that Maharishi never entertained women in his room after hours *when they knew better because they were there and let the women in*, they were exhibiting this mindset. We have *several* of these skin boys on record as belatedly admitting to have lied in this fashion. Or take the TM teachers who, if asked, would swear on a stack of Gitas that Maharishi was *incapable* of being dishonest or breaking the law because he was so in tune with the laws of nature that being dishonest would be impossible for him. Then remember that some of the TM teachers saying this had *themselves* been asked by Maharishi to illegally carry large sums of money from Europe to the US, or from Europe to India. They *knew* he was capable of breaking the law because he had asked them to do it for him, but when asked, they denied that he was even *capable* of breaking the law. THAT is the mindset I'm speaking about, and that my metaphor was carefully chosen to represent. It exists. It's more prevalent than people like the author of the screed below want to admit. 4. A *group* cannot feel insulted -- only individual humans can feel insulted. This is the problem posed by radical Muslims who claim that saying something they don't like about Mohammed is heresy and insults
Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails
/So, you're opposed to free trade?/ Quoting Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com: They were trying to get these bills passed without disclosing what was in them. We may have a Republic but the people still have the right to know. Obama wanted dictatorial powers at the behest of the corporations. No such bills should EVER be passed unless our legislators can tell us what is in them. The real news is that the Democrats including Pelosi this time did not back Obama. Believe the corporate thugs will try again. In other new, Net Neutrality is now official. On 06/12/2015 12:17 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What was in the trade bill/bills that was upsetting so many people? I know it's been freaking people out for a while but never investigated to see what was up. I figured we're doomed anyway, LOL. - FROM: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com[1] TO: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com SENT: Friday, June 12, 2015 1:15 PM SUBJECT: [FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails Yay! Score one for the people. The House was able to defray the the descent into tyranny. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-obama-is-all-in-on-trade-sees-it-as-a-cornerstone-of-his-legacy/2015/06/12/32b6dce8-1073-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html Links: -- [1] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [2] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/416719;_ylc=X3oDMTJycmpqbjRsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BG1zZ0lkAzQxNjcxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0MzQxMzc1NTY-?act=replymessageNum=416719 [3] mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net?subject=Re%3A%20%5BFairfieldLife%5D%20Obama%20backed%20trade%20bill%20fails [4] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BFairfieldLife%5D%20Obama%20backed%20trade%20bill%20fails [5] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJlaGZoNW5tBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQzNDEzNzU1Ng-- [6] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/416717;_ylc=X3oDMTM4Mm82ZGFrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BG1zZ0lkAzQxNjcxOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0MzQxMzc1NTYEdHBjSWQDNDE2NzE3 [7] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcmduMTRvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTQzNDEzNzU1Ng-- [8] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMmJubWJnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzE0MzQxMzc1NTY- [9] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNjZpdGIyBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNDM0MTM3NTU2 [10] https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html [11] mailto:fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [12] https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] You can solve a problem with force, or with intent and simple gestures
It is a cult. What the f ... is wrong with you? Acts like a cult. Teaches like a cult. Coheres like a cult. You then imply ... is it really a cult? WTF ... Brainwashed?
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[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Sheriff Joe
-Original Message- From: Rosemary Flaxy rfl...@brocku.ca To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sent: Fri, Jun 12, 2015 5:33 pm Subject: Fwd: Sheriff Joe SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN ! You may remember Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona, who painted the jail cells pink and made the inmates wear pink prison garb. Well. SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN ! Oh, there's MUCH more to know about Sheriff Joe ! Maricopa County was spending approx. $18 million dollars a year on stray animals, like cats and dogs. Sheriff Joe offered to take thedepartment over, and the County Supervisors said okay. The animal shelters are now allstaffed and operated by prisoners. They feed andcare for the strays. Every animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily. He now has prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition and behavior. They give great classes for anyone who'd like to adopt an animal. He has literally taken stray dogs off the street, given them to the care of prisoners, and had them place in dog shows. The best part? His budget for the entire department is now under $3 million. Teresa and I adopted a Weimaraner from a Maricopa County shelter two years ago. He was neutered and current on all shots, in great health, and even had a microchip inserted the day we got him. Cost us $78. The prisoners get the benefit of about$0.28 an hour for working, but most would workfor free, just to be out of their cells for theday. Most of his budget is for utilities,building maintenance, etc. He pays the prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals. I have long wondered when the rest ofthe country would take a look at the way he runsthe jail system and copy some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the county yearsago, where inmates can work, and they grow mostof their own fresh vegetables andfood, doingall the work and harvesting by hand. Hehas a pretty good sized hog farm, which provides meat andfertilizer. It fertilizes the Christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and youcan buy a living Chris tmas tree for $6 - $8 forthe holidays and plant it later. We have sixtrees in our yard from the prison. Yup, he was re-elected last year with 83% of the vote. Now he's in trouble with the ACLUagain. He painted all his buses and vehicleswith a mural that has a special hotline phone number painted on it, where you can call and reportsuspected illegal aliens. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement wasn't doing enough in hiseyes, so he had 40 deputies trained specificallyfor enforcing immigration laws, started up hishotline, and bought 4 new buses just for hauling folks back to the border. He's kind of a'Git-R-Dun' kind of Sheriff. Sheriff JoeArpaio (in Arizona) who created the 'Tent City Jail': ** He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them. ** He stopped smoking and porno magazines inthe jail. ** Took away their weights. ** Cut off all but 'G' movies. ** He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects. ** Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination. ** He took awaycable TV until he found out there was a federalcourt order that required cable TV for jails, so he hooked up the cable TVagain.BUT only let in the Disney channel and the Weather channel. ** When asked why the weather channel, he replied, So they will know how hot it'sgonna be while they are working on my chain gangs. ** He cut off coffee since ithas zero nutritional value. ** When theinmates complained, he told them, This isn't The Ritz/Carlton.. If you don't like it, don't come back. More On The Arizona Sheriff: With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates livingin a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk bedsor chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before. Manywere also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweatcollected on their chests and dripped down totheir PINK SOCKS. It feels like we arein a furnace, said James Zanzot, an inmate whohas lived in the TENTS for 1 year. It's inhumane. Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long agostarted making his prisoners wear pink and eatbologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates, It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths! Way to go, Sheriff ! Maybe if all prisons werelike this one there would be a
[FairfieldLife] Documentary about Upton Sinclair's run for California governor.
Always interesting to see that part of history that's often been hidden from your school history books. Here's a two part documentary that says a lot about the 1930s in California. Note that the Hollywood studios came out against Sinclair even threatening to move to Florida if he won. They even produced fake newsreels which were attack ads. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS77eZVIsXc Attack ads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPQfLqnsLEg
[FairfieldLife] You can solve a problem with force, or with intent and simple gestures
I *get* it that people don't feel that this *ostensibly* spiritual group is very spiritual. However, I think that the way some of them are going about trying to make it more spiritual is not going to achieve what they want. Take the issue of group behavior in Fairfield. For decades the TMO and individuals in it have attempted to FORCE people to act the way they want them to. They've banned people from the domes, kept people from going to courses or getting advanced techniques, and done all sorts of things to try to 1) put the blame for why Fairfield didn't feel as spiritual as they wanted to be, in the *ways* they wanted it to be on a small group of people, and 2) PUNISH those people as a means of solving the problem. I sadly think that Doug -- a one-time VICTIM of such policies in Fairfield -- thinks that's the way he has to solve the problem of Fairfield Life not being as spiritual as he wants it to be, in the *ways* he wants it to be. Most of what he's said so far about his view of what moderation is involves PUNISHING someone for not acting right. Even in terms of TM philosophy this is dumb. You don't dispel darkness by shoveling out the dark; you add some light. Fascinatingly, the very people who have spent the most time complaining that FFL isn't spiritual enough for them have done NOTHING to bring any actual spirituality to the place by posting something spiritual themselves. Meanwhile, many of the people they *blame* for things have posted and discussed any number of spiritual topics. Go figure. Here's a short video (only 3:26) about someone who took another path to solve the problem of people not treating a place with the respect he thought it deserved. The local city had already tried the Fix blame and PUNISH the offenders route, and it accomplished absolutely nothing. He took a different approach: CRYPTIK | Facebook | | | | | | | | | | | CRYPTIK | FacebookBUDDHA OF OAKLAND ~ When Dan Stevenson placed a stone Buddha across the street from his house in Oakland’s Eastlake neighborhood, it was out of... | | | | View on www.facebook.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
[FairfieldLife] Buck is Right!!!
Buck is right! We must moderate our behavior! Look what happens when one behaves indecently!!! Father of British tourist held after 'naked' prank asks for clemency | | | | | | | | | | | Father of British tourist held after 'naked' prank asks ...Tim Hawkins, whose daughter is one of four accused of posing for ‘indecent’ photos on Malaysian mountain, requests authorities not to make example of her | | | | View on www.theguardian.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Buck is Right!!!
You mean there are folks reading FFL in the nude? Oh, these crazy millenneals. What will they do next! On 06/12/2015 08:59 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Buck is right! We must moderate our behavior! Look what happens when one behaves indecently!!! Father of British tourist held after 'naked' prank asks for clemency http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/10/british-woman-among-those-held-over-naked-stunt-on-mount-kinabalu?CMP=fb_gu image http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/10/british-woman-among-those-held-over-naked-stunt-on-mount-kinabalu?CMP=fb_gu Father of British tourist held after 'naked' prank asks ... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/10/british-woman-among-those-held-over-naked-stunt-on-mount-kinabalu?CMP=fb_gu Tim Hawkins, whose daughter is one of four accused of posing for ‘indecent’ photos on Malaysian mountain, requests authorities not to make example of her View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/10/british-woman-among-those-held-over-naked-stunt-on-mount-kinabalu?CMP=fb_gu Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] A high dharma talk from a teacher who once impressed Turq
Thanks for posting this, Michael. I had noticed it in the queue after the clip
I posted, but didn't have the time to watch it earlier. I really like this guy.
I don't know about you, but for me it's just a revelation to stumble upon a
spiritual teacher whose spiel doesn't make me want to throw up in my mouth.
This guy makes me laugh, he makes me think...what's not to like?
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Words Of My Perfect Teacher: Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche Interview
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] A high dharma talk from a teacher who once impressed
Turq
Really. You guys have been complaining about FFL not being spiritual enough
for you, right? Well, here's some spirituality.
This fellow -- Khyentse Norbu -- once impressed my socks off, the one time I
got to meet him in Santa Fe. He is the director of the *excellent* film The
Cup, and was in Santa Fe trying to raise money for his next film, Travelers
and Magicians.
He is also a Tibetan lama (The Cup was set and filmed in the monastery he
presided over at the time). Also, in Tibetan Buddhist culture he is considered
a recognized tulku, meaning that in their system they absolutely flat-out
believe that this guy is the reincarnation of famous saints from previous
centuries. This is what Wikipedia says about his lineage:
Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche was born in far Eastern, Bhutan in 1961. At
the age of seven he was recognized, by H.H. Sakya Trizin Rinpoche, as the third
'incarnation' (Wylie sprul sku) of the founder of Khyentse lineage of Tibetan
Buddhism.
The first incarnation was Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo (1820–1892), who helped found
the Rimé or ecumenical school of Tibetan Buddhism, centred in Dzongsar
Monastery in Sichuan. Followers of this non-sectarian school sought to identify
and make use of the best methods from the various long-competing and isolated
schools of Tibetan Buddhism. This approach led to a blossoming of scholarship
and writing beginning in the 1880s.
The second incarnation was the renowned lama Dzongsar Khyentse Chokyi Lodro
(1893–1959), who figured prominently in the export of Tantric Buddhism to the
West as the root-teacher of a generation of influential and forward-thinking
lamas.
I don't know about any of this. all I know is that the night I ran into him was
at a fundraiser attended by many rich and famous people in Santa Fe. I
officially met him only during the 20 seconds in which I walked up and thanked
him for The Cup, but then I walked over and leaned out of sight on a nearby
wall and watched him closely for a couple of hours. His *equanimity* blew my
socks off. Rich/famous person after rich/famous person walked up to him and
tried to get some noogies from him in terms of the Oh, you're so famous that
I should treat you specially toady-ness they're used to, and They Didn't Get
It.
They didn't get ignored or shunned, either. They got *exactly* the same amount
of this guy's attention and love as the girl working for $2.75 an hour who
brought him his tea. I've *never* seen that kind of completely self-sufficient
equanimity demonstrated as well.
Anyway, for some reason today I got to thinking about this guy, decided to
Google interviews with Khyentse Norbu and this is what I found. It's a very
different setting, and a very different kind of response, but I still find the
guy interesting. YMMV.
Khyentse Norbu (Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche) on Buddhist Pilgrimage
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! All I can say is that my post referenced VEBAL slapping, meaning that I would not cut Schneider any slack for his prepsoterous claims for TM, especially his idea that he as a cardiologist is in any way an expert or authority on any form of psychiatry. Having watched his first Vedic psychiatry presentation I have already stated here on FFL that his ideas are more TM fluff and bs. OF COURSE you were referring to verbal slapping, and Doug knows it. He's just being a drama queen. But it's interesting that in doing so and in calling what you wrote a threat, he's revealing the incredible extent of his bias against you and people like you who don't toe the TM party line. I still have hopes that he can get his act together and his TM ego out of the way and become a truly fair moderator, but he's sure making it difficult for me to maintain that hope. I am pretty sure that neither Schneider nor any other TM big shot has any desire to show up here on FFL where there are too many former TM'ers who have stopped drinking the kool-aide and have seen the man behind the curtain. Those guys prefer an audience who is guzzling the soporific of TM PR and so applaud instead of asking incisive or even intelligent questions. I would however love to see any exchanges between Hagelin and Sal and his physicist friends. What I find most fascinating is that Doug believes that these people are such wimps and so UNinvincible that the only way they'd agree to appear on Fairfield Life is if he put everyone who isn't a TM TB on moderated status and sat there poised with his finger on the button to make sure that no one was able to sneak through a real question. That's pretty revealing. I don't know what you expect would happen if one of the TM hot shots posted here. How can you not call a liar a liar? And Marshy was a liar, and he set the tone for all his followers. I also expect to be the first FFL member to be banned by Dougy. It'll be interesting to see who Doug will ban first. For example, since he's been moderator, there is one person who has posted repeatedly to FFL *for no other purpose than to harass another poster he doesn't like* (as he has done consistently for over a year), violating the Yahoo Guidelines in many minor ways in almost every post, and Doug's never said a word about it. But when YOU use a Southern turn of phrase in an obviously funny way (I would verbally slap this jackass into the middle of next week), suddenly it's a threat. I suspect that you and I are both high on Doug's agenda for who he had already *planned* to ban when he took on the job of FFL moderator, so we'll probably be neck and neck down the stretch until one of us finally wins. :-) :-) :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number, and got post 416431 instead. Sorry. Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3. I still stand behind what I said in my last paragraph, however, because if Doug actually took what Michael said in the real post #416341 as a threat, he's not terribly sane. Michael suggesting that he would verbally slap someone is NOT a threat. Here is what Michael actually SAID, and that Doug is so biased that he's characterizing as a threat. Jesus Christ. I really which I could attend. I would verbally slap this jackass into the middle of next week. What a huckster. A cardiologist claiming expertise in a non-existent form of psychiatry, laced with ancient superstition. Some of you folk in Fairfield are indeed making progress in helping those who need help with mental and emotional problems, this ass is not one of them. I hope he gets shut down in a time soon to come. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seemto have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'. Would pushing the 'moderate' button
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
Doug, Unfortunately, as I predicted, we have a member here, Barry, who is so threatened by this change in moderatorship, that he is on a non stop campaign to disrupt the new direction in which FFL is moving, at any cost. I think it will take a while for some of the older members of FFL who left to feel comfortable again about posting on the topics which come up, but in the meantime, we can be assured that Barry will continue, undiminished in his campaign to keep this from happening. I hope we can stay the course, and maybe, Barry, will feel more comfortable with a more civil interaction. After all, Xeno has advised us, and I quote, (mostly), Barry is creative enough to adopt to the new environment at FFL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! All I can say is that my post referenced VEBAL slapping, meaning that I would not cut Schneider any slack for his prepsoterous claims for TM, especially his idea that he as a cardiologist is in any way an expert or authority on any form of psychiatry. Having watched his first Vedic psychiatry presentation I have already stated here on FFL that his ideas are more TM fluff and bs. OF COURSE you were referring to verbal slapping, and Doug knows it. He's just being a drama queen. But it's interesting that in doing so and in calling what you wrote a threat, he's revealing the incredible extent of his bias against you and people like you who don't toe the TM party line. I still have hopes that he can get his act together and his TM ego out of the way and become a truly fair moderator, but he's sure making it difficult for me to maintain that hope. I am pretty sure that neither Schneider nor any other TM big shot has any desire to show up here on FFL where there are too many former TM'ers who have stopped drinking the kool-aide and have seen the man behind the curtain. Those guys prefer an audience who is guzzling the soporific of TM PR and so applaud instead of asking incisive or even intelligent questions. I would however love to see any exchanges between Hagelin and Sal and his physicist friends. What I find most fascinating is that Doug believes that these people are such wimps and so UNinvincible that the only way they'd agree to appear on Fairfield Life is if he put everyone who isn't a TM TB on moderated status and sat there poised with his finger on the button to make sure that no one was able to sneak through a real question. That's pretty revealing. I don't know what you expect would happen if one of the TM hot shots posted here. How can you not call a liar a liar? And Marshy was a liar, and he set the tone for all his followers. I also expect to be the first FFL member to be banned by Dougy. It'll be interesting to see who Doug will ban first. For example, since he's been moderator, there is one person who has posted repeatedly to FFL *for no other purpose than to harass another poster he doesn't like* (as he has done consistently for over a year), violating the Yahoo Guidelines in many minor ways in almost every post, and Doug's never said a word about it. But when YOU use a Southern turn of phrase in an obviously funny way (I would verbally slap this jackass into the middle of next week), suddenly it's a threat. I suspect that you and I are both high on Doug's agenda for who he had already *planned* to ban when he took on the job of FFL moderator, so we'll probably be neck and neck down the stretch until one of us finally wins. :-) :-) :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number, and got post 416431 instead. Sorry. Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3. I still stand behind what I said in my last paragraph, however, because if Doug actually took what Michael said in the real post #416341 as a threat, he's not terribly sane. Michael suggesting that he would verbally slap someone is NOT a threat. Here is what Michael actually SAID, and that Doug is so biased that he's characterizing as a threat. Jesus Christ. I really which I could attend. I would verbally slap this jackass into the middle of next week. What a huckster. A cardiologist claiming expertise in a non-existent form of psychiatry, laced with ancient superstition. Some of you folk in Fairfield are indeed making progress in helping those who need help with mental and emotional problems, this ass is not one
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
Just out of interest though, what do you think the term spiritual actually means? I haven't seen Doug's answer to this, but thought that the question deserved *some* response, so here's one from Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, discussing that very question: What is spirituality? The Four Foundations of Mindfulness – Lion's Roar | | | | | | | | | | | The Four Foundations of Mindfulness – Lion's RoarAccording to the late Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche, spirituality means relating with the working basis of one’s existence, which is one’s state of mind. | | | | View on www.lionsroar.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! RE post 416341 It's just a knee jerk reaction, nothing to worry about. I said exactly the same thing only with the addition of a few qualifying statements. I'm sure that if anyone from MUM joined up for a chat we'd all be interested to hear what they have to say, just because we rant occasionally amongst ourselves doesn't mean we're a bunch of animals. When Fred Travis joined in with TM-Free he got a very respectful welcome and some serious questions all of which he attempted to answer - he even agreed with me that the TMO shouldn't try to make money out of products - yagya, MVVT etc - that it hasn't scientifically verified! I'd rather you got Nader or Hagelin though, I'll line up some proper physicists and we'll have a grand old time. Just out of interest though, what do you think the term spiritual actually means? It comes from the Latin Spiritus Animus or that which animates us. The idea being that there is some spark or soul within us that gives us life. It's a term that seems to have morphed somewhat in recent years though with the co-opting and mingling of scientific principles with eastern thought whether it's justified or not. Discussions about whether such an entity exists, how it might work and what it might do are what interest me most, and whether Spiritual is a mere religious system nowadays rather than the all encompassing Theory of Everything that it claims to be. Anyway, it's lucky that Rick just put FFL in that category because it seems to fit with the TM belief system and that he wasn't seriously expecting us to limit our conversation to matters of the new age and nothing else. From the FFL home page: Pretty much any topic is fair game. What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite. ~ Bertrand Russell I mention all this Doug, because you have a history of accepting and promoting the dogmatic insistence of the TMO that certain of it's beliefs are in fact facts and I don't want alternative viewpoints moderated on partisan grounds. Things should stand or fall on the strength of evidence not devotion. The healthy mind challenges its own assumptions. ~ The I Ching ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You seemto have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'.Would pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status herebetter provide safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFLwith their experiences? For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or someone from his office come on here andexpress their feelings in conversation here, without threat of abuse.Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL as avehicle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted myspiritual experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.ashas been done to every single person who has come here to reportsuchlike. I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result? From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! I'm thinking over here that having had an experience does not validate as necessarily true the thoughts that arise afterwards. We see most folks here thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant with the ultimate reality of their recent experience. To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about levitation necessarily true. Even the person who levitates can be expected to have but a mere abstraction for an explanation that is open to every sort of nay-saying.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
I have actually traded words with Bobby Schneider on the blog Cardio Brief by Larry Husten who writes for Forbes. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! All I can say is that my post referenced VEBAL slapping, meaning that I would not cut Schneider any slack for his prepsoterous claims for TM, especially his idea that he as a cardiologist is in any way an expert or authority on any form of psychiatry. Having watched his first Vedic psychiatry presentation I have already stated here on FFL that his ideas are more TM fluff and bs. OF COURSE you were referring to verbal slapping, and Doug knows it. He's just being a drama queen. But it's interesting that in doing so and in calling what you wrote a threat, he's revealing the incredible extent of his bias against you and people like you who don't toe the TM party line. I still have hopes that he can get his act together and his TM ego out of the way and become a truly fair moderator, but he's sure making it difficult for me to maintain that hope. I am pretty sure that neither Schneider nor any other TM big shot has any desire to show up here on FFL where there are too many former TM'ers who have stopped drinking the kool-aide and have seen the man behind the curtain. Those guys prefer an audience who is guzzling the soporific of TM PR and so applaud instead of asking incisive or even intelligent questions. I would however love to see any exchanges between Hagelin and Sal and his physicist friends. What I find most fascinating is that Doug believes that these people are such wimps and so UNinvincible that the only way they'd agree to appear on Fairfield Life is if he put everyone who isn't a TM TB on moderated status and sat there poised with his finger on the button to make sure that no one was able to sneak through a real question. That's pretty revealing. I don't know what you expect would happen if one of the TM hot shots posted here. How can you not call a liar a liar? And Marshy was a liar, and he set the tone for all his followers. I also expect to be the first FFL member to be banned by Dougy. It'll be interesting to see who Doug will ban first. For example, since he's been moderator, there is one person who has posted repeatedly to FFL *for no other purpose than to harass another poster he doesn't like* (as he has done consistently for over a year), violating the Yahoo Guidelines in many minor ways in almost every post, and Doug's never said a word about it. But when YOU use a Southern turn of phrase in an obviously funny way (I would verbally slap this jackass into the middle of next week), suddenly it's a threat. I suspect that you and I are both high on Doug's agenda for who he had already *planned* to ban when he took on the job of FFL moderator, so we'll probably be neck and neck down the stretch until one of us finally wins. :-) :-) :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number, and got post 416431 instead. Sorry. Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3. I still stand behind what I said in my last paragraph, however, because if Doug actually took what Michael said in the real post #416341 as a threat, he's not terribly sane. Michael suggesting that he would verbally slap someone is NOT a threat. Here is what Michael actually SAID, and that Doug is so biased that he's characterizing as a threat. Jesus Christ. I really which I could attend. I would verbally slap this jackass into the middle of next week. What a huckster. A cardiologist claiming expertise in a non-existent form of psychiatry, laced with ancient superstition. Some of you folk in Fairfield are indeed making progress in helping those who need help with mental and emotional problems, this ass is not one of them. I hope he gets shut down in a time soon to come. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:19 AM Subject: Re:
Re: [FairfieldLife] A high dharma talk from a teacher who once impressed Turq
Words Of My Perfect Teacher: Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche Interview
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] A high dharma talk from a teacher who once impressed
Turq
Really. You guys have been complaining about FFL not being spiritual enough
for you, right? Well, here's some spirituality.
This fellow -- Khyentse Norbu -- once impressed my socks off, the one time I
got to meet him in Santa Fe. He is the director of the *excellent* film The
Cup, and was in Santa Fe trying to raise money for his next film, Travelers
and Magicians.
He is also a Tibetan lama (The Cup was set and filmed in the monastery he
presided over at the time). Also, in Tibetan Buddhist culture he is considered
a recognized tulku, meaning that in their system they absolutely flat-out
believe that this guy is the reincarnation of famous saints from previous
centuries. This is what Wikipedia says about his lineage:
Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche was born in far Eastern, Bhutan in 1961. At
the age of seven he was recognized, by H.H. Sakya Trizin Rinpoche, as the third
'incarnation' (Wylie sprul sku) of the founder of Khyentse lineage of Tibetan
Buddhism.
The first incarnation was Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo (1820–1892), who helped found
the Rimé or ecumenical school of Tibetan Buddhism, centred in Dzongsar
Monastery in Sichuan. Followers of this non-sectarian school sought to identify
and make use of the best methods from the various long-competing and isolated
schools of Tibetan Buddhism. This approach led to a blossoming of scholarship
and writing beginning in the 1880s.
The second incarnation was the renowned lama Dzongsar Khyentse Chokyi Lodro
(1893–1959), who figured prominently in the export of Tantric Buddhism to the
West as the root-teacher of a generation of influential and forward-thinking
lamas.
I don't know about any of this. all I know is that the night I ran into him was
at a fundraiser attended by many rich and famous people in Santa Fe. I
officially met him only during the 20 seconds in which I walked up and thanked
him for The Cup, but then I walked over and leaned out of sight on a nearby
wall and watched him closely for a couple of hours. His *equanimity* blew my
socks off. Rich/famous person after rich/famous person walked up to him and
tried to get some noogies from him in terms of the Oh, you're so famous that
I should treat you specially toady-ness they're used to, and They Didn't Get
It.
They didn't get ignored or shunned, either. They got *exactly* the same amount
of this guy's attention and love as the girl working for $2.75 an hour who
brought him his tea. I've *never* seen that kind of completely self-sufficient
equanimity demonstrated as well.
Anyway, for some reason today I got to thinking about this guy, decided to
Google interviews with Khyentse Norbu and this is what I found. It's a very
different setting, and a very different kind of response, but I still find the
guy interesting. YMMV.
Khyentse Norbu (Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche) on Buddhist Pilgrimage
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! All I can say is that my post referenced VEBAL slapping, meaning that I would not cut Schneider any slack for his prepsoterous claims for TM, especially his idea that he as a cardiologist is in any way an expert or authority on any form of psychiatry. Having watched his first Vedic psychiatry presentation I have already stated here on FFL that his ideas are more TM fluff and bs. OF COURSE you were referring to verbal slapping, and Doug knows it. He's just being a drama queen. But it's interesting that in doing so and in calling what you wrote a threat, he's revealing the incredible extent of his bias against you and people like you who don't toe the TM party line. Seems to me Doug is referring to a threat of *verbal* abuse, which is precisely what Michael made (he reiterates it above). (snip) What I find most fascinating is that Doug believes that these people are such wimps and so UNinvincible that the only way they'd agree to appear on Fairfield Life is if he put everyone who isn't a TM TB on moderated status and sat there poised with his finger on the button to make sure that no one was able to sneak through a real question. That's pretty revealing. That may fascinate you, Barry, but it's your fantasy, not anything Doug has said he believes or is going to do. And FYI, it's entirely possible to ask a real question without being abusive. (snip) I suspect that you and I are both high on Doug's agenda for who he had already *planned* to ban when he took on the job of FFL moderator, so we'll probably be neck and neck down the stretch until one of us finally wins. :-) :-) :-) As I said earlier, it seems some here think the only form moderation takes is expulsion. I doubt that's how Doug sees it. His post to Michael sounds to me like a very gentle warning. My guess is that people will be put on moderated status, warnings will be given, and only if the warnings are repeatedly ignored will expulsion be considered. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that! OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number, and got post 416431 instead. Sorry. Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3. How about retracting all the accusations you made against me in your earlier post, which you messed up as badly as you did this one?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show
Some people, Jason, just have very weird sexual fantasies. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jason_green2@... wrote : In case you missed some of the old stuff that was in your absence, here it is, 11. It was a medical issue. The constant presence of Jim's, Nabby's, Steve's, and Ann's tongues up Judy's ass was aggravating her Crohn's Disease and giving her constant diarrhea. The only way she could get rid of it was to get rid of them. :-) 414053 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/414053 So far, not even Ann, who probably has her tongue stuck up Judy's butt and has been unable to post yet today. :-) 373266 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/373266
[FairfieldLife] A high dharma talk from a teacher who once impressed Turq
Really. You guys have been complaining about FFL not being spiritual enough for you, right? Well, here's some spirituality. This fellow -- Khyentse Norbu -- once impressed my socks off, the one time I got to meet him in Santa Fe. He is the director of the *excellent* film The Cup, and was in Santa Fe trying to raise money for his next film, Travelers and Magicians. He is also a Tibetan lama (The Cup was set and filmed in the monastery he presided over at the time). Also, in Tibetan Buddhist culture he is considered a recognized tulku, meaning that in their system they absolutely flat-out believe that this guy is the reincarnation of famous saints from previous centuries. This is what Wikipedia says about his lineage: Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche was born in far Eastern, Bhutan in 1961. At the age of seven he was recognized, by H.H. Sakya Trizin Rinpoche, as the third 'incarnation' (Wylie sprul sku) of the founder of Khyentse lineage of Tibetan Buddhism. The first incarnation was Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo (1820–1892), who helped found the Rimé or ecumenical school of Tibetan Buddhism, centred in Dzongsar Monastery in Sichuan. Followers of this non-sectarian school sought to identify and make use of the best methods from the various long-competing and isolated schools of Tibetan Buddhism. This approach led to a blossoming of scholarship and writing beginning in the 1880s. The second incarnation was the renowned lama Dzongsar Khyentse Chokyi Lodro (1893–1959), who figured prominently in the export of Tantric Buddhism to the West as the root-teacher of a generation of influential and forward-thinking lamas. I don't know about any of this. all I know is that the night I ran into him was at a fundraiser attended by many rich and famous people in Santa Fe. I officially met him only during the 20 seconds in which I walked up and thanked him for The Cup, but then I walked over and leaned out of sight on a nearby wall and watched him closely for a couple of hours. His *equanimity* blew my socks off. Rich/famous person after rich/famous person walked up to him and tried to get some noogies from him in terms of the Oh, you're so famous that I should treat you specially toady-ness they're used to, and They Didn't Get It. They didn't get ignored or shunned, either. They got *exactly* the same amount of this guy's attention and love as the girl working for $2.75 an hour who brought him his tea. I've *never* seen that kind of completely self-sufficient equanimity demonstrated as well. Anyway, for some reason today I got to thinking about this guy, decided to Google interviews with Khyentse Norbu and this is what I found. It's a very different setting, and a very different kind of response, but I still find the guy interesting. YMMV. Khyentse Norbu (Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche) on Buddhist Pilgrimage | | | | | | | | | | | Khyentse Norbu (Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche) on Buddhi... | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
if Bob Schneider shows up here I will give him the whuppin' he deserves.
That is how I phrase it, what it means is that I will ask him direct, non-TM
TB'er questions such as how he purports to know anything about psychiatry when
he is a cardiologist, how he thinks his vedic prescription that he gave in
his taped lecture at MUM can possibly be helpful to people who are really
struggling with mental/emotional problems and contemplating suicide when the
prescription is as follows:
Listen to the person's problemsTell them to avoid negative thoughtsTell them to
think sweet thoughtsTell them to expose themselves to positive energy (by
listening to the vedas being recited or reading the Gita or the mandalas)Tell
them to do TM.
All of which ignores the fact that in many cases it is the PRACTICE of TM
itself, esp TMSP and all the cultish nonsensical mind sets that go along with
it that often LEAD to such states of depression and anxiety that lead to
suicide.
So if Bobby wants a whuppin' tell him to come on over.
Bring Johnny Hagelin too, I wanna ask him if he is still using his position as
professor at MUM to get him some student girlfriends.
From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
All I can say is that my post referenced VEBAL slapping, meaning that I would
not cut Schneider any slack for his prepsoterous claims for TM, especially his
idea that he as a cardiologist is in any way an expert or authority on any form
of psychiatry. Having watched his first Vedic psychiatry presentation I have
already stated here on FFL that his ideas are more TM fluff and bs.
OF COURSE you were referring to verbal slapping, and Doug knows it. He's just
being a drama queen. But it's interesting that in doing so and in calling what
you wrote a threat, he's revealing the incredible extent of his bias against
you and people like you who don't toe the TM party line.
Seems to me Doug is referring to a threat of *verbal* abuse, which is precisely
what Michael made (he reiterates it above).
(snip)
What I find most fascinating is that Doug believes that these people are such
wimps and so UNinvincible that the only way they'd agree to appear on Fairfield
Life is if he put everyone who isn't a TM TB on moderated status and sat
there poised with his finger on the button to make sure that no one was able to
sneak through a real question. That's pretty revealing.
That may fascinate you, Barry, but it's your fantasy, not anything Doug has
said he believes or is going to do. And FYI, it's entirely possible to ask a
real question without being abusive.
(snip)
I suspect that you and I are both high on Doug's agenda for who he had already
*planned* to ban when he took on the job of FFL moderator, so we'll probably be
neck and neck down the stretch until one of us finally wins. :-) :-) :-)
As I said earlier, it seems some here think the only form moderation takes is
expulsion. I doubt that's how Doug sees it. His post to Michael sounds to me
like a very gentle warning. My guess is that people will be put on moderated
status, warnings will be given, and only if the warnings are repeatedly ignored
will expulsion be considered.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
OK, my bad. I managed to get all dyslexic while typing in the post number, and
got post 416431 instead. Sorry.
Thus I retract the things I said in my post below in points 1, 2 and 3.
How about retracting all the accusations you made against me in your earlier
post, which you messed up as badly as you did this one?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] A high dharma talk from a teacher who once impressed Turq
He talks a lot about gurus in this one. I like it.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A high dharma talk from a teacher who once
impressed Turq
Thanks for posting this, Michael. I had noticed it in the queue after the
clip I posted, but didn't have the time to watch it earlier. I really like this
guy.
I don't know about you, but for me it's just a revelation to stumble upon a
spiritual teacher whose spiel doesn't make me want to throw up in my mouth.
This guy makes me laugh, he makes me think...what's not to like?
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A high dharma talk from a teacher who once
impressed Turq
Words Of My Perfect Teacher: Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche Interview
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From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 11:26 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] A high dharma talk from a teacher who once impressed
Turq
Really. You guys have been complaining about FFL not being spiritual enough
for you, right? Well, here's some spirituality.
This fellow -- Khyentse Norbu -- once impressed my socks off, the one time I
got to meet him in Santa Fe. He is the director of the *excellent* film The
Cup, and was in Santa Fe trying to raise money for his next film, Travelers
and Magicians.
He is also a Tibetan lama (The Cup was set and filmed in the monastery he
presided over at the time). Also, in Tibetan Buddhist culture he is considered
a recognized tulku, meaning that in their system they absolutely flat-out
believe that this guy is the reincarnation of famous saints from previous
centuries. This is what Wikipedia says about his lineage:
Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche was born in far Eastern, Bhutan in 1961. At
the age of seven he was recognized, by H.H. Sakya Trizin Rinpoche, as the third
'incarnation' (Wylie sprul sku) of the founder of Khyentse lineage of Tibetan
Buddhism.
The first incarnation was Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo (1820–1892), who helped found
the Rimé or ecumenical school of Tibetan Buddhism, centred in Dzongsar
Monastery in Sichuan. Followers of this non-sectarian school sought to identify
and make use of the best methods from the various long-competing and isolated
schools of Tibetan Buddhism. This approach led to a blossoming of scholarship
and writing beginning in the 1880s.
The second incarnation was the renowned lama Dzongsar Khyentse Chokyi Lodro
(1893–1959), who figured prominently in the export of Tantric Buddhism to the
West as the root-teacher of a generation of influential and forward-thinking
lamas.
I don't know about any of this. all I know is that the night I ran into him was
at a fundraiser attended by many rich and famous people in Santa Fe. I
officially met him only during the 20 seconds in which I walked up and thanked
him for The Cup, but then I walked over and leaned out of sight on a nearby
wall and watched him closely for a couple of hours. His *equanimity* blew my
socks off. Rich/famous person after rich/famous person walked up to him and
tried to get some noogies from him in terms of the Oh, you're so famous that
I should treat you specially toady-ness they're used to, and They Didn't Get
It.
They didn't get ignored or shunned, either. They got *exactly* the same amount
of this guy's attention and love as the girl working for $2.75 an hour who
brought him his tea. I've *never* seen that kind of completely self-sufficient
equanimity demonstrated as well.
Anyway, for some reason today I got to thinking about this guy, decided to
Google interviews with Khyentse Norbu and this is what I found. It's a very
different setting, and a very different kind of response, but I still find the
guy interesting. YMMV.
Khyentse Norbu (Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche) on Buddhist Pilgrimage
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Re: [FairfieldLife] You can solve a problem with force, or with intent and simple gestures
Must be a cult as they are bowing down, burning incense and such. :-D On 06/12/2015 07:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */I *get* it that people don't feel that this *ostensibly* spiritual group is very spiritual. However, I think that the way some of them are going about trying to make it more spiritual is not going to achieve what they want. /* */ /* */Take the issue of group behavior in Fairfield. For decades the TMO and individuals in it have attempted to FORCE people to act the way they want them to. They've banned people from the domes, kept people from going to courses or getting advanced techniques, and done all sorts of things to try to 1) put the blame for why Fairfield didn't feel as spiritual as they wanted to be, in the *ways* they wanted it to be on a small group of people, and 2) PUNISH those people as a means of solving the problem. /* */ /* */I sadly think that Doug -- a one-time VICTIM of such policies in Fairfield -- thinks that's the way he has to solve the problem of Fairfield Life not being as spiritual as he wants it to be, in the *ways* he wants it to be. Most of what he's said so far about his view of what moderation is involves PUNISHING someone for not acting right. /* */ /* */Even in terms of TM philosophy this is dumb. You don't dispel darkness by shoveling out the dark; you add some light. /* */ /* */Fascinatingly, the very people who have spent the most time complaining that FFL isn't spiritual enough for them have done NOTHING to bring any actual spirituality to the place by posting something spiritual themselves. Meanwhile, many of the people they *blame* for things have posted and discussed any number of spiritual topics. Go figure. /* */ /* */Here's a short video (only 3:26) about someone who took another path to solve the problem of people not treating a place with the respect he thought it deserved. The local city had already tried the Fix blame and PUNISH the offenders route, and it accomplished absolutely nothing. He took a different approach:/* */ /* */CRYPTIK | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/CryptikMovement/videos/10153404610164485/?fref=nf/* image https://www.facebook.com/CryptikMovement/videos/10153404610164485/?fref=nf CRYPTIK | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/CryptikMovement/videos/10153404610164485/?fref=nf BUDDHA OF OAKLAND ~ When Dan Stevenson placed a stone Buddha across the street from his house in Oakland’s Eastlake neighborhood, it was out of... View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/CryptikMovement/videos/10153404610164485/?fref=nf Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] You can solve a problem with force, or with intent and simple gestures
Love this story (-:
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:10 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] You can solve a problem with force, or with intent
and simple gestures
I *get* it that people don't feel that this *ostensibly* spiritual group is
very spiritual. However, I think that the way some of them are going about
trying to make it more spiritual is not going to achieve what they want.
Take the issue of group behavior in Fairfield. For decades the TMO and
individuals in it have attempted to FORCE people to act the way they want them
to. They've banned people from the domes, kept people from going to courses or
getting advanced techniques, and done all sorts of things to try to 1) put the
blame for why Fairfield didn't feel as spiritual as they wanted to be, in the
*ways* they wanted it to be on a small group of people, and 2) PUNISH those
people as a means of solving the problem.
I sadly think that Doug -- a one-time VICTIM of such policies in Fairfield --
thinks that's the way he has to solve the problem of Fairfield Life not being
as spiritual as he wants it to be, in the *ways* he wants it to be. Most of
what he's said so far about his view of what moderation is involves PUNISHING
someone for not acting right.
Even in terms of TM philosophy this is dumb. You don't dispel darkness by
shoveling out the dark; you add some light.
Fascinatingly, the very people who have spent the most time complaining that
FFL isn't spiritual enough for them have done NOTHING to bring any actual
spirituality to the place by posting something spiritual themselves. Meanwhile,
many of the people they *blame* for things have posted and discussed any number
of spiritual topics. Go figure.
Here's a short video (only 3:26) about someone who took another path to solve
the problem of people not treating a place with the respect he thought it
deserved. The local city had already tried the Fix blame and PUNISH the
offenders route, and it accomplished absolutely nothing. He took a different
approach:
CRYPTIK | Facebook
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was out of... |
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[FairfieldLife] Obama backed trade bill fails
Yay! Score one for the people. The House was able to defray the the descent into tyranny. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-obama-is-all-in-on-trade-sees-it-as-a-cornerstone-of-his-legacy/2015/06/12/32b6dce8-1073-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html
