[FairfieldLife] Re: For Braaaman
Good one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' > Theory > August 17, 2005 | Issue 4133 > > KANSAS CITY, KSAs the debate over the teaching of evolution in > public schools continues, a new controversy over the science > curriculum arose Monday in this embattled Midwestern state. > Scientists from the Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning are > now asserting that the long-held "theory of gravity" is flawed, and > they have responded to it with a new theory of Intelligent Falling. > > > Rev. Gabriel Burdett (left) explains Intelligent Falling. > "Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational > force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is > pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in > education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts > University. > > Burdett added: "Gravitywhich is taught to our children as a lawis > founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutual > force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot explain that > force. Isaac Newton himself said, 'I suspect that my theories may > all depend upon a force for which philosophers have searched all of > nature in vain.' Of course, he is alluding to a higher power." > > Founded in 1987, the ECFR is the world's leading institution of > evangelical physics, a branch of physics based on literal > interpretation of the Bible. > > According to the ECFR paper published simultaneously this week in > the International Journal Of Science and the adolescent magazine > God's Word For Teens!, there are many phenomena that cannot be > explained by secular gravity alone, including such mysteries as how > angels fly, how Jesus ascended into Heaven, and how Satan fell when > cast out of Paradise. > > The ECFR, in conjunction with the Christian Coalition and other > Christian conservative action groups, is calling for public-school > curriculums to give equal time to the Intelligent Falling theory. > They insist they are not asking that the theory of gravity be banned > from schools, but only that students be offered both sides of the > issue "so they can make an informed decision." > > "We just want the best possible education for Kansas' kids," Burdett > said. > > Proponents of Intelligent Falling assert that the different theories > used by secular physicists to explain gravity are not internally > consistent. Even critics of Intelligent Falling admit that > Einstein's ideas about gravity are mathematically irreconcilable > with quantum mechanics. This fact, Intelligent Falling proponents > say, proves that gravity is a theory in crisis. > > "Let's take a look at the evidence," said ECFR senior fellow Gregory > Lunsden."In Matthew 15:14, Jesus says, 'And if the blind lead the > blind, both shall fall into the ditch.' He says nothing about some > gravity making them falljust that they will fall. Then, in Job 5:7, > we read, 'But mankind is born to trouble, as surely as sparks fly > upwards.' If gravity is pulling everything down, why do the sparks > fly upwards with great surety? This clearly indicates that a > conscious intelligence governs all falling." > > Critics of Intelligent Falling point out that gravity is a provable > law based on empirical observations of natural phenomena. > Evangelical physicists, however, insist that there is no conflict > between Newton's mathematics and Holy Scripture. > > "Closed-minded gravitists cannot find a way to make Einstein's > general relativity match up with the subatomic quantum world," said > Dr. Ellen Carson, a leading Intelligent Falling expert known for her > work with the Kansan Youth Ministry. "They've been trying to do it > for the better part of a century now, and despite all their > empirical observation and carefully compiled data, they still don't > know how." > > "Traditional scientists admit that they cannot explain how > gravitation is supposed to work," Carson said. "What the gravity- > agenda scientists need to realize is that 'gravity waves' > and 'gravitons' are just secular words for 'God can do whatever He > wants.'" > > Some evangelical physicists propose that Intelligent Falling > provides an elegant solution to the central problem of modern > physics. > > "Anti-falling physicists have been theorizing for decades about > the 'electromagnetic force,' the 'weak nuclear force,' the 'strong > nuclear force,' and so-called 'force of gravity,'" Burdett > said. "And they tilt their findings toward trying to unite them into > one force. But readers of the Bible have already known for millennia > what this one, unified force is: His name is Jesus." > Advertisement > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > I just realized that this whole discussion of a > > "false" guru is nonsense. Of what purpose are all > > these criteria? Are these to be used to select a guru? > > No, not as they are written. They are simply an > > attempt by a mind to position itself in relationship > > to a narrative it likes regarding gurus. > > Bingo. Well put. > > There are, however, similar lists compiled by those > who study spiritual movements/cults that are more or > less empirically based, and they may actually have > some value (although even these can be biased). CAn you provide / post so we can compare? Its not a challenge, but to identify "better" criteria than already listed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > on 12/22/05 8:51 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems to me #s 2,3,6,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25, and > 26 > > > apply. > > > > > > > And I'm not even including the "outrageous titles" point, > > > which > > > > > MMY > > > > > > > gives liberally to others but not himself, > > > > > > > > > > > > He didn't object to being called "Maharishi," may have > decided > > > to > > > > > > use the term "His Holiness," > > > > > > > > > > Just for da record, "His Holiness" is fairly commonly > > > > > applied to gurus by their followers in India. Don't > > > > > know if it's traditional per se, but it wouldn't be > > > > > seen as outrageous, in my understanding. It simply > > > > > means that the guru, in the opinion of his/her > > > > > followers, has found God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just for the record, sinces it is so common, can you name 10? > > > > > > > > Or perhaps is pratice and "commonness" something that was told > you > > > at > > > > some TMO lecture? > > > > > > Nope, was never told this. I've noticed, however, that > > > many books by spiritual teachers are dedicated to their > > > gurus, who are identified by the teachers as "His > > > Holiness." > > > > And so you should easily be able to name 10. > > Nope, don't remember the names specifically; and I'm not > where I have access to my personal library, nor a public > one, for that matter. Even if I were, though, I don't > think I'd want to waste time on such a silly request. > If you prefer not to believe me, fine. Thanks. No problem. I have seen some Indians do as you say. But I am curious how universal it is. Thats all. I think the shanks are honored that way. And the Dali Lama who is viewed as an incarnation of Buddha (yes?) or at least a full incarnation of Buddhist wisdom (yes?). But at the time bal bramachari mahesh took on the titles of Maharishi and His Holiness, he was just a wandering bramachari. I was wondering how ommon it was to bestow such titles to such. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some may see these statements of mine as those of an idealogue or > uncaring soul. A bit of my personal financial history over the last > ten years: > > -Gave away a house now worth ~750K following my divorce. Didn't have > to, but without going into details, it was in my heart the right > thing to do, not from a standpoint of guilt, but love. > -Have been laid off 4 times in my high tech field. > -Have been unemployed for 3 of the past 5 years. > -Have virtually no savings and am over 50 years old. wow, Natue does support you totaly. > Throughout I have persevered, and money has been there when it had > to be. Quite miraculously, and without any begging on my part. I > have often worked for free and offered my services and skills at no > charge, in order to continue to excel in my chosen profession. > > Did I feel sorry for myself and get depressed and complain like hell > at times? Of course, who wouldn't? But why if nature supports your every impulse as you have oft stated? > The point being we are ultimately responsible for ourselves, I am in full agreement there. But that doesn't justify the taking of promised pensions and 401 ks. Which was at the genesis of this discussion. Can you imagine the head of GE saying, "we are taking over your pension and 401'ks because hey, you ultimately are responsible for yourselves" > and can > either succeed or fail, moment by moment. it is entirely our choice > and our Reality. I have learned as a result, to always stay in touch > with Reality, and the living truth of the expression God helps those > that help themselves. So maybe you need to work on that savings thing so God can help you more. May God bless you in that dept. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just realized that this whole discussion of a > "false" guru is nonsense. For you I presume. An analysis of its applicability for your life. Or are you making a universal truth claim? > Of what purpose are all > these criteria? Are these to be used to select a guru? > No, not as they are written. I differ. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/82762 I think the list is common sense -- would you choose a teacher that doesn't walk his or her talk, that is paranoid? Its not a big stretch. Others points are more of a think piece: one who dwells on opulence? Not necesarily a bad thing, but may imply a different road, a different trip, a different bus than a more modest teacher. As do things like encouraging or not encouraging debate and free-inquiry. But the biggest value of the list, IMO, is that it opens seekers awareness to the possibility of such qualities being uncovered down the road. At first sight, most teachers are grand and wonderful. No sense of anything questionable, odd or corrupt. The question doesn't enter the mind. But I think it IS a good thing to consider, sort of like pre-marriage counselling, "here is a list of things that MAY pop up over the years. You should be open-eyed about that, and consider some initial strategies should such be found. Otherwise, if histroy is any guide, you may be stuck in denial for years, paralyzed, unable to act, until the denial begins to mature to rationality, enablng action. - > They are simply an > attempt by a mind to position itself in relationship > to a narrative it likes regarding gurus. That may be your take. For you. Which seems pretty limited and immature to me. But if it works for you, carry on. Rage on. > They HAHAHA. You clearly mean "I". > have an > ideal guru in mind and compare and judge every flesh > and blood guru to this one. > It's really nonsense and > no practical function. Just mind fluff (very sticky > indeed!). You have these large battles raging isnide don't you dr pete. A litteral internal Mahabharatta. > The only "The only" ??? So you are making universal truth claims? You are claiming that there is only one legitimate way for EVERYONE to view this list? Oh my!! This is extreme, even unbalanced. > way to see if a guru is of value is > to involve yourself in their teaching for an honest > amount of time. If it works for you, great, if it > doesn't, move on. So let see. Per your advice I will/would spend a 1-5 years each with Adi-Da, Rajneesh, Maharaji, Walter Belim, Sai Baba, Andy Rymer, Jim Jones, the Arrayan Nation, the Cripes, the current Republican party, the asteriod black tennis shoe folks, etc. No pre-screening is either necessary or worthwhile per your view. The ONLY way to evaluate these groups is to jump in head first. This is satire isn't it Dr. Peter? I mean you can't possibly be serious, are you? > Buddha didn't disparage the teachers > he studied with and found inadequate to his > enlightenment. You know this as a fact? You are a buddhist scholar? Ok. Name 10 teachers Buddha studied with. If these don't role off the tongue, how would you possibly know if Buddha disparraged them? > He just moved on. These teachers had a > value for other people, not for him. Thats an excellent point. Using some preliminary screening does not say the "rejected teacher" have no value for anyone. It just means that they "probably" do not for the screener. Like SBS. He had criteria. He rejected many. And moved on. Not disparaging. Why in heavens name does having a criteria imply or necessitate disparaging? Your whole argument is based on a false premise: that using some criteria for selecting a teacher implies or necessitates dissing teachers not choosen. Its a huge strawman argument logical fallacy that you are entrapped in Dr. Pete. Wake up. > MMY has had great > value for many people. Many people still gain value > from him. Many have moved on. It is what it is. > To > lock yourself into a conceptual model of a "perfect" > guru is just silliness. Again, good advice -- though this has nothing to do with a pre-screening criteria list of qualities for a guru, It ONLY has to do with your false strawman fallacy -- which exists only in your mind. Like wishing for the "perfect" > mate or mother or father. A sign of psychological > immaturity, isn't it? I do think there is tremendous psychological immaturity here. But it has nothing to do with a pre-screening criteria list. It has to do with your claims for universal truths aplicable for everyone, and your construction of a huge strawman logical fallacy. > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > For #4, clearly M. gives an intro path and then > > talks on big "E" > > > but never gives the full path, esp. regarding the > > finer techniques > > > for re
[FairfieldLife] Re: Observing Guru Dev's Birthday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- lupidus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Welcome back Lups! Where you been, boyo? > > > > Just been throughly fed up at all the garbage in > > here that's all :-) > > Well, come on in! There are a good number of tasty, > fetid chunks of ofal to go around! Yummm! Ok, now you are clearly mocking shemp and his Dominique Swain fantasies. > > > > > > > > > > > --- lupidus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I was present when Maharishi talked about the > > future > > > > in terms of > > > > teachers leaving him. He described two signs to > > look > > > > for: > > > > 1) Strong verbal "devotion" to Guru Dev. > > > > 2) Starting to use other pictures of Guru Dev > > than > > > > the one he choose > > > > for Puja. > > > > > > > > It's already happening. > > > > > > > > Like everything else Maharishi has said will > > happen, > > > > in due time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nice post LB, you got it right. > > > > > > > > > > --- L B Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I occasionally reflect on the fact that > > > > Fairfield, > > > > > > as a New World Kumbh Mela, would not > > > > > > exist were it not for Maharishiand, by > > > > extension, > > > > > > Guru Dev. > > > > > > > > > > > > While I concur that reverential regard for > > > > either of > > > > > > the two is not and should not be a > > > > > > requirement for participation in this forum, > > > > today I > > > > > > feel inclined to make a few personal > > > > > > remarks. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi remains controversial; in the > > world at > > > > > > large, in the Movement, and on this list, > > > > > > one finds a wide range of clinical > > evaluations > > > > and > > > > > > gut level emotional responses. When I > > > > > > traveled in India, I also found a wide range > > of > > > > > > attitudes where Maharishi was concerned, > > > > > > but only the highest respect for Brahmananda > > > > > > Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahmanandaji has never disappointed me. > > Even > > > > though > > > > > > his teachings on the status of > > > > > > women were somewhat disappointing in the > > context > > > > of > > > > > > our perspective, they reflected his > > > > > > tradition more than anything else. > > Personally, I > > > > > > believe his tradition was somewhat > > > > > > corrupted in that area. (By the way, I offer > > > > these > > > > > > remarks not as an apologist for > > > > > > Brahmanandaji, but to forestall the > > necessity of > > > > > > having to be reminded of it.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahmanadaji walked his talk. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever criticisms people have about > > Maharishi, > > > > > > without him it is unlikely that many of us > > > > > > would ever have heard about Brahmanandaji. > > In > > > > the > > > > > > big picture, without knowing what > > > > > > kinds of tools and resources were available > > to > > > > Guru > > > > > > Dev, I'm happy that Maharishi > > > > > > undertook his mission, whatever his motives > > may > > > > have > > > > > > been. Despite elements of the > > > > > > Movement that in the past I have found > > > > unappealing, > > > > > > and which I continue to find > > > > > > unappealing, I continue to sense Guru Dev's > > > > presence > > > > > > there also. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever our complaints about our own lives > > or > > > > about > > > > > > the Movement, I think we can feel > > > > > > some gratitude in knowing that a life like > > that > > > > of > > > > > > Guru Dev has touched our own > > > > > > existence, however distantly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > > > > > > > > > > L B S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups > > Sponsor > > > > > > ~--> > > > > > > Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by > > Julianne > > > > > > Moore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~-> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > Or go to: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > on 12/22/05 8:51 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Seems to me #s 2,3,6,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25, and 26 > apply. > > > > > And I'm not even including the "outrageous titles" point, > which > > > MMY > > > > > gives liberally to others but not himself, > > > > > > > > He didn't object to being called "Maharishi," may have decided > to > > > > use the term "His Holiness," > > > > > > Just for da record, "His Holiness" is fairly commonly > > > applied to gurus by their followers in India. Don't > > > know if it's traditional per se, but it wouldn't be > > > seen as outrageous, in my understanding. It simply > > > means that the guru, in the opinion of his/her > > > followers, has found God. > > > > > > > Just for the record, sinces it is so common, can you name 10? > > > > Or perhaps is pratice and "commonness" something that was told you > at > > some TMO lecture? > > Nope, was never told this. I've noticed, however, that > many books by spiritual teachers are dedicated to their > gurus, who are identified by the teachers as "His > Holiness." And so you should easily be able to name 10. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Observing Guru Dev's Birthday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was present when Maharishi talked about the future in terms of > teachers leaving him. He described two signs to look for: > 1) Strong verbal "devotion" to Guru Dev. > 2) Starting to use other pictures of Guru Dev than the one he choose > for Puja. > > It's already happening. > > Like everything else Maharishi has said will happen, in due time. I was present when Maharish talked of two nervous systems in the body that science would soon uncover, that soon we would all be flying, that not far off christ would barely be remembered outshone by the glory of guru dev, that with the AoE, HoE, etc war was vurtually over, no more conflicts and any numbr of other predicions that did not come true. Like ,ost everything else Maharishi has said will happen, its not happening. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 12/22/05 4:58 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Pension was deducted from the salaries of all initators in > indiâ. Nobody > > > knows what happened to the pension fund. Nobody has recieved > his pension > > > fund. > > > > > Same thing happens here. Whenever MUM is in the black, it is > ransacked by > > ³International² so that for months afterwards it is unable to pay > its > > vendors. Meanwhile, faculty and staff have been working for > decades for a > > pittance. They have nothing to retire on, unless they can expect a > family > > inheritance. > > > Then they should grow up and take responsibility for their future, > and quit waiting for Daddy to do it for them. And I am sure if your pension, 401k and Iras were suddenly absorbed by the government, there would be NO whining, and you would just suck it up and quit wating for daddy and go out and recreate your retirement savings yourself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Since basically what he "preaches" is Neoadvaita with a > > little Patanjali and Kashmir Shaivism mixed in as well as Dharma > > shastra, perhaps a clearer way to look at this one is does he teach > > effective Advaita vedanta or does he follow "natural law", i.e. the > > injunctions of the Dharma and Artha shastras? > > Whatever your other opinions of Mr M may be, I find this insistence > that he strictly adhere to one tradition or the other to be an odd > thing. If he is in fact a seer, then wouldn't he be capable of > cognizing his own teaching? > > Just as Buddha came out with his own unique teaching (which doubters > could say was a corruption of Hinduism), Mr. M has come out with his. I thought he got it lock, stock and barrel from guru dev and did not create anything by himself. Or are you saying that he derived teachings outside of what guru dev gave him? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 12/22/05 8:51 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Seems to me #s 2,3,6,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25, and 26 apply. > > > And I'm not even including the "outrageous titles" point, which > MMY > > > gives liberally to others but not himself, > > > > He didn't object to being called "Maharishi," may have decided to > > use the term "His Holiness," > > Just for da record, "His Holiness" is fairly commonly > applied to gurus by their followers in India. Don't > know if it's traditional per se, but it wouldn't be > seen as outrageous, in my understanding. It simply > means that the guru, in the opinion of his/her > followers, has found God. > Just for the record, sinces it is so common, can you name 10? Or perhaps is pratice and "commonness" something that was told you at some TMO lecture? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > on 12/22/05 10:00 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > >> I can't figure out how anybody could reasonably justify > >> applying the "opulence" criterion, for example. > >> > > > > Have you ever been in his private suite? Flown on the Movement's > > Boeing 707 > > (now sold), ridden in his Bentley? > > Yeah Rick, but *were they opulent?* :-) Yes, I mean just because they were drapped in miles of the finest silks, and gold finishing, was the steering wheel made of solid gold -- studded with diamons and rubies? If not the whole thing was clearly not opulant, and anyone who says so clearly has an agenda against the TMO. Such biased warped views! I am shocked, shocked! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Seems to me #s 2,3,6,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25, and 26 apply. > > And I'm not even including the "outrageous titles" point, which MMY > > gives liberally to others but not himself, or the "questionable > > linneage" point, as the jyotir math shankaracharya linneage > > controversy is not directly related. I'm sure there are some who > > would include the "opulence" point and maybe a couple others. > > Folks who want to reinforce their belief that MMY > is a "false guru," like Vaj, can surely find ways to > make all the criteria apply to him. >Likewise those > who hold him in the highest esteem no doubt won't see > any of the criteria as fitting. There is a word for that: denial > The truth, as usual, is probably somewhere in between. Or that actually many things do apply but its a matter of degree. Mayb e 50% on some items, 90% on others. > See my longer response to Vaj for the issues I take > with his evaluation. > > I can't figure out how anybody could reasonably justify > applying the "opulence" criterion, for example. HAHAHA. Well I sense you have never been around MMY and the grand trappings of the whole scene around him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent list. Could be used for major and minor "gurus". > > > > > > > > > > It's a silly list. > > > > > > > > Ok then.Its certainly not a mandatory thing. If its useful, > fine, if > > > > not move on and go with whatever enlightenment proclaiming, > > > > thin-skinned, easily insulted, unaccountable, goal not practice > > > > teaching, hypocritical, plagarizing, neo-trandy-satsang-giving, > > > > opulent, adoration seeking, overtly fashionable, devotion > demanding, > > > > affected stylizing, sexual preditor, flattery tactician, > drooning on > > > > and on speaker, Slick-willie presenter, grand-title taking and > > > giving, > > > > hyper-workshp giving, impersonal, linneage faking, non-profit > > > > scamming, angry ex-follower generating, pseudo-scientific, > paranoid, > > > > self-serious taking, and/or gloomy and dour guru that you first > > > > stumble upon. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, I will. > > > > > > Keep us posted. And the best of luck. There are diamonds in the > rough. > > It just that its not a high percentage play. > > > > Sorry. You're not used to my one-liner koans. What I meant to imply > was that in some *future* time, if I found it necessary, I'd be > keeping an eye out for these things. OK. Good. I get your tone better now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > You said "To me, it reads more like a 'Test of Characteristics I > Don't > > Think Gurus Should Have.' " > > > > 1) More than what? > > More than a reasonably objective list. What characteristics of gurus would a a reasonably objective list have. Sincere question. Which of the following characteristics do you consider trivial, arbitrary or inconsequential? enlightenment proclaiming,thin-skinned, easily insulted, unaccountable, goal not practice teaching, hypocritical, plagarizing, neo-trandy-satsang-giving, opulent, adoration seeking, overtly fashionable, devotion demanding, affected stylizing, sexual preditor, flattery tactician, drooning on and on speaker, Slick-willie presenter, grand-title taking and giving, hyper-workshp giving, impersonal, linneage faking, non-profit scamming, angry ex-follower generating, pseudo-scientific, paranoid, self-serious taking, and/or gloomy and dour > > 2) Was there than any actual point you were making? > > Gee, no, my fingers were having spasms, and I put them > on the keyboard just to see what they'd type out. Ok, good to know. I will take that into account as a possibilty next time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Excellent list. Could be used for major and minor "gurus". > > > > > > It's a silly list. > > > > Ok then.Its certainly not a mandatory thing. If its useful, fine, if > > not move on and go with whatever enlightenment proclaiming, > > thin-skinned, easily insulted, unaccountable, goal not practice > > teaching, hypocritical, plagarizing, neo-trandy-satsang-giving, > > opulent, adoration seeking, overtly fashionable, devotion demanding, > > affected stylizing, sexual preditor, flattery tactician, drooning on > > and on speaker, Slick-willie presenter, grand-title taking and > giving, > > hyper-workshp giving, impersonal, linneage faking, non-profit > > scamming, angry ex-follower generating, pseudo-scientific, paranoid, > > self-serious taking, and/or gloomy and dour guru that you first > > stumble upon. > > > > Thanks, I will. Keep us posted. And the best of luck. There are diamonds in the rough. It just that its not a high percentage play. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > I bet someplace, somewhere, there's a jivan mukta > > blazing in the brilliance of Brahman who would > > miserably fail this "test." > > > ...and a complete and utter charlatan who would pass with flying > colors... So what? If you had two groups of gurus to choose from, A or B, among which group would you select? Which do you think would provide a high probability of success? Group A. enlightenment proclaiming, thin-skinned, easily insulted, unaccountable, goal not practice teaching, hypocritical, plagarizing, neo-trandy-satsang-giving, opulent, adoration seeking, overtly fashionable, devotion demanding, affected stylizing, sexual preditor, flattery tactician, drooning on and on speaker, Slick-willie presenter, grand-title taking and giving, hyper-workshp giving, impersonal, linneage faking, non-profit scamming, angry ex-follower generating, pseudo-scientific, paranoid, self-serious taking, and/or gloomy and dour gurus Group B: gurus without these, or at least without most of these qualities. Group A may have some, if not many, jivan muktas blazing in the brilliance of Brahman. So what. They may be Adi-Da types -- even though fully realized. Do youreally want to go down that road if SBS could be your guru? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > I bet someplace, somewhere, there's a jivan mukta > > blazing in the brilliance of Brahman who would > > miserably fail this "test." So what? And there's a huge camp of jivan mukta blazing in the brilliance of Brahman who would pass the test in flying colors. How many gurus do you need? I think the value of the test is helping to identify a teaher that best suits your particular needs and propensities. If you are a very rational, free-inquiry type, why go with a teacher who is not. Even if such a teacher can lead you towards the goal? Why not go with that fits your natural propensities? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 21, 2005, at 5:01 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > Can't see a lot of use in such a list. Does anyone use such a > > > checklist to choose a teacher? > > > > It seems common sense to me. I think the list is common sense -- would you choose a teacher that doesn't walk his or her talk, that is paranoid? Its not a big stretch. Others points are more of a think piece: one who dwells on opulence? Not necesarily a bad thing, but may imply a different road, a different trip, a different bus than a more modest teacher. As do things like encouraging or not encouraging debate and free-inquiry. But the biggest value of the list, IMO, is that it opens seekers awareness to the possibility of such qualities being uncovered down the road. At first sight, most teachers are grand and wonderful. No sense of anything questionable, odd or corrupt. The question doesn't enter the mind. But I think it IS a good thing to consider, sort of like pre-marriage counselling, "here is a list of things that MAY pop up over the years. You should be open-eyed about that, and consider some initial strategies should such be found. Otherwise, if histroy is any guide, you may be stuck in denial for years, paralyzed, unable to act, until the denial begins to mature to rationality, enablng action. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Excellent list. Could be used for major and minor "gurus". > > > > It's a silly list. > > Ok then.Its certainly not a mandatory thing. If its useful, fine, if > not move on and go with whatever enlightenment proclaiming, > thin-skinned, easily insulted, unaccountable, goal not practice > teaching, hypocritical, plagarizing, neo-trandy-satsang-giving, > opulent, adoration seeking, overtly fashionable, devotion demanding, > affected stylizing, sexual preditor, flattery tactician, drooning on > and on speaker, Slick-willie presenter, grand-title taking and giving, > hyper-workshp giving, impersonal, linneage faking, non-profit > scamming, angry ex-follower generating, pseudo-scientific, paranoid, > self-serious taking, and/or gloomy and dour guru that you first > stumble upon. Or maybe thats what you did do. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent list. Could be used for major and minor "gurus". > > > > > > > > > > To me, it reads more like a "Test of Characteristics I Don't > > > > > Think Gurus Should Have." > > > > > > > > Which seems to imply that that is a bad thing. That one should > > > > be totally innocent and take any guru with any qualities > > > > because we don't want "expectations" to spoil the evolutionary > > > > process. > > > > > > That may be what you *infer*, but it certainly isn't what > > > I had in mind, sorry. > > > > OK. Sorry. It "seemed" to to me. > > > > Out of sincere curiousity what did you mean? > > Boy, I honestly don't know how to say it any more > clearly than I did. > Yes, clear writing is a bitch isn't it. You said "To me, it reads more like a 'Test of Characteristics I Don't Think Gurus Should Have.' " 1) More than what? 2) Was there than any actual point you were making? Because "Test of Characteristics I Don't Think Gurus Should Have " at face value is exactly what the list is. That you explicitly made such a post appears (to me) that you have an implied opinion about it. If you don't fine -- but it justs seems a pretty redundant post. Something you are not prone to. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Excellent list. Could be used for major and minor "gurus". > > It's a silly list. Ok then.Its certainly not a mandatory thing. If its useful, fine, if not move on and go with whatever enlightenment proclaiming, thin-skinned, easily insulted, unaccountable, goal not practice teaching, hypocritical, plagarizing, neo-trandy-satsang-giving, opulent, adoration seeking, overtly fashionable, devotion demanding, affected stylizing, sexual preditor, flattery tactician, drooning on and on speaker, Slick-willie presenter, grand-title taking and giving, hyper-workshp giving, impersonal, linneage faking, non-profit scamming, angry ex-follower generating, pseudo-scientific, paranoid, self-serious taking, and/or gloomy and dour guru that you first stumble upon. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Excellent list. Could be used for major and minor "gurus". > > > > > > To me, it reads more like a "Test of Characteristics I Don't > > > Think Gurus Should Have." > > > > Which seems to imply that that is a bad thing. That one should be > > totally innocent and take any guru with any qualities because we > > don't want "expectations" to spoil the evolutionary process. > > That may be what you *infer*, but it certainly isn't what > I had in mind, sorry. OK. Sorry. It "seemed" to to me. Out of sincere curiousity what did you mean? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Brahmananda Saraswati Navami
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > The Teachings of Guru Dev > > > (Quotations of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati) > > > > > > > > > born 20 -12-1870 according to Maharishi's Love and God > > > > > > *** > > I don't have a copy of Love and God in front of me, but I'm pretty > sure the year of birth was 1868, not 1870 -- Guru Dev died at age 84, > didn't he, so it would have been 1868 that he was born. Dropped body in 1953 as I recall. 1953 - 84 = 1869. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Excellent list. Could be used for major and minor "gurus". > > To me, it reads more like a "Test of Characteristics I Don't Think > Gurus Should Have." Which seems to imply that that is a bad thing. That one should be totally innocent and take any guru with any qualities because we don't want "expectations" to spoil the evolutionary process. Clearly that was not SBS's criteria. And many chela / later gurus. SBS wandered high and low looking for gurus who met his three main criteria (I suspect there were more, of minor nature). He rejected many fine and noble teachers. He waited until he found one that met HIS standards and crieria. That, to me, seems to be a good thing. While I do not use to all the points on the list, and my list refines overtime -- not the same now as at 16, the list articulates many fine qualites, IMO. And is missing a few. See "adders". > Even so, MMY doesn't do too badly on it. Some of the > criteria apply to him, but a lot don't. I thought it quite relevant for many teachers. Not just MMY. And not "professed" gurus. Might be the same by another name. "Satsang Facilitator" is currently a popular one. Or "Life Coach". Or "Wife" (joke). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
Perhaps a few adders: -- Takes oneself very seriously. Can't laugh at oneself. -- Is thin-skinned, feels insulted, even at minor things. -- gets obessesed with things of the past -- can't "let it go" -- gets angry with little provocation -- appears gloomy and dour at times --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Excellent list. Could be used for major and minor "gurus". > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > http://energygrid.com/spirit/ap-falsegurutest.html > > > > 1. States his or her own enlightenment: The wisest masters tend not > > to state their own enlightenment or perfection for they know that it > > is both unhelpful to themselves and to their students. The false > > teachers often make this claim because they have little else on offer > > to attract followers. > > > > 2. Is unable to take criticism: False teachers strongly dislike > > either personal criticism or criticism of their teaching; they do not > > take kindly to ordinary unenlightened individuals questioning them. > > They or their organisations will even undertake multi-million dollar > > law suits to stop ex-members from spilling the beans. > > > > 3. Acts omnipotently with no accountability: Some spiritual > > communities are run like concentration camps, with guru and his chosen > > ones acting like Gestapo officers. Unjust or outrageous behaviour by > > the guru is passed off as what is needed to help the followers grow > > (how kind). These are the dangerous gurus who have often severely > > damaged their students. A real master respects your will even if he or > > she understands that your particular decisions may not be in your > > interest, and he or she will act accountably to an ethical code of > > conduct. > > > > 4. Focuses on enlightenment itself rather than teaching the path > > leading to it: It is amazing how much false gurus have to say about > > enlightenment. They argue their points in the same way that the > > scholars in the middle ages argued how many angels could sit on the > > head of a pin. Any fool can talk about the end goal because what is > > said is irrefutable to most of your listeners. What is skillful is > > guiding those listeners to having awakening within themselves. The > > real teacher focuses on the path and strictly avoids any talk on > > enlightenment. > > > > 5. Does not practice what is preached: Contrary to spiritual myth, > > you don't reach a point of realization whereby you can then start > > acting mindlessly. If a teacher preaches love and forgiveness, then he > > should act that way, at least most of the time, showing suitable > > regret for any lapses). If he teaches meditation, he should meditate. > > If he insists that his followers live in austere conditions, so > should he. > > > > 6. Takes the credit for a particular meditative or healing technique: > > The fact is that meditation and guided visualisation work. Anyone > > doing them will experience major changes, benefits and realizations. > > The false guru will try to own or trademark particular methods and > > techniques so that she has something unique to attract followers. And > > she will hijack the effects of meditation as the guru's blessing > > rather than each individuals natural potential. Often the students or > > followers are forbidden from divulging the techniques to maintain a > > sort of intellectual property right, usually under the guise of > > needing the technique to be taught correctly. > > > > 7. Specifically gives satsang or darshan when it is not part of his > > culture: Darshan is when the disciples or students of a master line up > > and to pass their master, who is usually seated, with either a bow or > > traditionally kissing their feet (yes it does happen). In the East, > > this is part of their culture and a normal thing to do to show respect > > and reverence (even children will kiss the feet of their fathers). > > However, here in the West, such copycat behaviour is a strong > > indication that the guru is acting a role. Satsang, on the other hand, > > means literally "the company of the Truth". In a deeper sense it is an > > affirmation of the Guru-Disciple relationship in Eastern traditions. > > But some Western gurus will use this terminology because they are > > playing a role. > > > > 8. Lives in total opulence: There is nothing wrong with l
[FairfieldLife] Re: Seriously now folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I would like to propose that we only have ONE award. We could call it > > the Brahman award and we would of course give it to everyone on > > FFlife. We would even give it to those who are desperately trying to > > avoid the reality that there is "Only ONE of US". We can be so bold > to > > do this because we are being given this award every moment of every > > day for all eternity. Some of us are just better at ignoring than > others. > > Enjoy Tom T > > > > On a maturity level, yes, giving one award to everybody would work > just fine. > > That's what they do for 5 year olds who play Little League. Based on > the premise that youngsters and toddlers are too young and too > immature to handle "winners and losers", trophies are given to all. Yes, I thought the sparkle of it all was recognizing the huge diversity reflected by the initary wholness. More fun and laughter in seeing both. Maybe thats why Tom seems so gloomy and dour these days -- perhaps stuck in the total oneness stage. Oneness without seeing the sparkle of diversity also, is boring. Gloomy. Like the weather in Seattle. Like Max Van Sydow in 7th Seal, Winer Light and Hanna and Her Sisters. Thats how Tom comes across in his posts, to me. But I don't know him -- and to be honest, who can pretend to know another's real moods and personality from a few posts. Celebrating diversity does not imply or equate to losing the wholeness of it all. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test
Excellent list. Could be used for major and minor "gurus". --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://energygrid.com/spirit/ap-falsegurutest.html > > 1.States his or her own enlightenment: The wisest masters tend not > to state their own enlightenment or perfection for they know that it > is both unhelpful to themselves and to their students. The false > teachers often make this claim because they have little else on offer > to attract followers. > > 2.Is unable to take criticism: False teachers strongly dislike > either personal criticism or criticism of their teaching; they do not > take kindly to ordinary unenlightened individuals questioning them. > They or their organisations will even undertake multi-million dollar > law suits to stop ex-members from spilling the beans. > > 3.Acts omnipotently with no accountability: Some spiritual > communities are run like concentration camps, with guru and his chosen > ones acting like Gestapo officers. Unjust or outrageous behaviour by > the guru is passed off as what is needed to help the followers grow > (how kind). These are the dangerous gurus who have often severely > damaged their students. A real master respects your will even if he or > she understands that your particular decisions may not be in your > interest, and he or she will act accountably to an ethical code of > conduct. > > 4.Focuses on enlightenment itself rather than teaching the path > leading to it: It is amazing how much false gurus have to say about > enlightenment. They argue their points in the same way that the > scholars in the middle ages argued how many angels could sit on the > head of a pin. Any fool can talk about the end goal because what is > said is irrefutable to most of your listeners. What is skillful is > guiding those listeners to having awakening within themselves. The > real teacher focuses on the path and strictly avoids any talk on > enlightenment. > > 5.Does not practice what is preached: Contrary to spiritual myth, > you don't reach a point of realization whereby you can then start > acting mindlessly. If a teacher preaches love and forgiveness, then he > should act that way, at least most of the time, showing suitable > regret for any lapses). If he teaches meditation, he should meditate. > If he insists that his followers live in austere conditions, so should he. > > 6.Takes the credit for a particular meditative or healing technique: > The fact is that meditation and guided visualisation work. Anyone > doing them will experience major changes, benefits and realizations. > The false guru will try to own or trademark particular methods and > techniques so that she has something unique to attract followers. And > she will hijack the effects of meditation as the guru's blessing > rather than each individuals natural potential. Often the students or > followers are forbidden from divulging the techniques to maintain a > sort of intellectual property right, usually under the guise of > needing the technique to be taught correctly. > > 7.Specifically gives satsang or darshan when it is not part of his > culture: Darshan is when the disciples or students of a master line up > and to pass their master, who is usually seated, with either a bow or > traditionally kissing their feet (yes it does happen). In the East, > this is part of their culture and a normal thing to do to show respect > and reverence (even children will kiss the feet of their fathers). > However, here in the West, such copycat behaviour is a strong > indication that the guru is acting a role. Satsang, on the other hand, > means literally "the company of the Truth". In a deeper sense it is an > affirmation of the Guru-Disciple relationship in Eastern traditions. > But some Western gurus will use this terminology because they are > playing a role. > > 8.Lives in total opulence: There is nothing wrong with living in > luxury or being wealthy. But when that luxury turns to unnecessary > opulence using funds that were not explicity donated for that purpose > then you are probably dealing with a false guru. Money is collected > from followers usually in the form of donations, and those donations > are given as an act of love, appreciation and to help spread the > influence of the master. However, a genuine master is more likely to > use such wealth to lessen the suffering in this world, not to buy > another yacht, private jet or Rolls Royce. > > 9.Encourages or permits adoration from his followers: Avoid any > group that focuses on the "master" themselves rather than the > teachings or spiritual practices. This will be a hindrance to your > self-realisation for your focus will be drawn outside of yourself, and > usually indicates that there is not a lot more on offer than guru worship. > > 10. Presents himself or herself overly fashionably and glamoro
[FairfieldLife] Re: A face that will scare children and little animals...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/051221/1911/u122111aujpg > > > > > > You? > > > > Yes. > > You have discovered the identity of "Shemp". It is me, Pope Benedict, > aka Shemp McGurk. Actually, I find some of your posts scarier than that face. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 50th anniversary of the publication of "Lolita".
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > But for a lot of child and teens and some adults, they can give > great > > performances in a particular film -- but are not necessarily good > > actors -- they are just playing a role with their innate > personality. > > > > Like Tom Cruise, He has played one character over 20 movies. > > > > > I strongly disagree with that. > > Tom Cruise has done alot of diverse roles and has done many of them > brilliantly. Sadly, because he is a "hunk" and a boxoffice draw for > the ladies, he doesn't get credit for his work. > > Indeed, I think he was more deserving of the Oscar for best actor > for his work in "Rain Man" than Dustin Hoffman, who got the award > for playing a handicapped person. His work in "Minority > Report", "War of the Worlds", etc. was also very good. > > Another person who is trapped by his good looks from being > appreciated is Brad Pitt. I think he should have gotten the Oscar > for his physical acting in "Troy" which I thought was brilliant. > > > > > > > > Unlike Al Pacino who has played 10 characters over 20 films. > > > > Though Jim Carrey has played 40 characters over 20 films. > > > > So quantity is not necessariy quality. Well, it was an observational quip. I agree Tom has played multiple characters, some well. But in the majority of his films he plays Tom Cruise's vision of a Grand Tom Cruise. Its not necessarily a dis to say someone plays themselves across many films. Cary Grant comes to mind. Mr. Suave yet self-effacing. I like his films. I like him. But there is not a huge diversity of roles (not necessarily his fault) nor a huge diversity of characters he develops as an actor. On the other hand, still looking at the hunk category, I think Russell Crowe's roles and portrayals have been quite distinct and nuanced. Surprisingly, Antonio Bandarios has developed and protrayed an interesting range of nucanced complex characters. As Sean Connery. Harrision Ford, often plays variations on the same guy, but really does try hard to provide some nice complexity and texture to that guy. And Sean Pean has created and expressed a huge diversity of characters. Tim Robbins -- some good diversity -- but often still plays the "Best of Tim Robbins" in varied roles. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 50th anniversary of the publication of "Lolita".
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > But for a lot of child and teens and some adults, they can give > great > > performances in a particular film -- but are not necessarily good > > actors -- they are just playing a role with their innate > personality. > > > > Like Tom Cruise, He has played one character over 20 movies. > > > > > I strongly disagree with that. > > Tom Cruise has done alot of diverse roles and has done many of them > brilliantly. Sadly, because he is a "hunk" and a boxoffice draw for > the ladies, he doesn't get credit for his work. > > Indeed, I think he was more deserving of the Oscar for best actor > for his work in "Rain Man" than Dustin Hoffman, who got the award > for playing a handicapped person. His work in "Minority > Report", "War of the Worlds", etc. was also very good. > > Another person who is trapped by his good looks from being > appreciated is Brad Pitt. I think he should have gotten the Oscar > for his physical acting in "Troy" which I thought was brilliant. > > > > > > > > Unlike Al Pacino who has played 10 characters over 20 films. > > > > Though Jim Carrey has played 40 characters over 20 films. > > > > So quantity is not necessariy quality. Well, it was an observation quip. I agree Tom has played multiple characters, some well. But in the majority of his films he plays Tom Cruise's vision of a Grand Tom Cruise. Its not necessarily a dis to say someone plays themselves across many films. Cary Grant comes to mind. Mr. Suave yet self-effacing. I like his films. I like him. But there is not a huge diversity of roles (not necessarily his fault) nor a huge diversity of characters he develops as an actor. On the other hand, still looking at the hunk category, I think Russell Crowe's roles and portrayals have been quite distinct and nuanced. Surprisingly, Antonio Bandarios has developed and protrayed an interesting range of nucanced complex characters. As Sean Connery. Harrision Ford, often plays variations on the same guy, but really does try hard to provide some nice complexity and texture to that guy. And Sean Pean has created and expressed a huge diversity of characters. Tim Robbins -- some good diversity -- but often still plays the "Best of Tim Robbins" in varied roles. Lots more examples. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A face that will scare children and little animals...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/051221/1911/u122111aujpg You? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 50th anniversary of the publication of "Lolita".
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I feel a little sorry for Dominique Swain. She was incredible > > in "Lolita" (probably one of the best performances by an actress in > > the '90s) and hasn't come close to doing as good a job since. > > > > What can you say about one's career when you peak at age 15 and then > > everything is downhill from there? > > > > > I agree that she was great in that film. And does not seem to be > getting stellar parts since. But she is still working regualrly > > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm663/#herself > But for a lot of child and teens and some adults, they can give great performances in a particular film -- but are not necessarily good actors -- they are just playing a role with their innate personality. Like Tom Cruise, He has played one character over 20 movies. Unlike Al Pacino who has played 10 characters over 20 films. Though Jim Carrey has played 40 characters over 20 films. So quantity is not necessariy quality. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can't evalue TM without direct experience.
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 21, 2005, at 10:06 AM, ffia1120 wrote: > > > > > > Once you have experienced the insulating quality of the > > > unified field you'll understand. :-) > > > > I hear that the latter has such a high e-factor that > > it completely insulates you from reality. But the insulation is made from a peanut butter derivative. Which PROOVES Jimmy Carter and MMY have been in cahoots all the time. Along with Al-quada. This poses quite a dilemena for poor Shemp. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 50th anniversary of the publication of "Lolita".
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > No it was Dominique Swain and peanut butter. We even have you on > tape > > saying "yum". > > > > > > I feel a little sorry for Dominique Swain. She was incredible > in "Lolita" (probably one of the best performances by an actress in > the '90s) and hasn't come close to doing as good a job since. > > What can you say about one's career when you peak at age 15 and then > everything is downhill from there? > > I agree that she was great in that film. And does not seem to be getting stellar parts since. But she is still working regualrly http://www.imdb.com/name/nm663/#herself Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 50th anniversary of the publication of "Lolita".
No it was Dominique Swain and peanut butter. We even have you on tape saying "yum". --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > I really liked the scene where peanut butter was a key factor. > > > > Actually, it was butter and you're confusing "Lolita" with a Marlon > Brando movie. > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Interesting read in Slate about "Lolita" > > > > > > > > > Actually, that is where I got the inspiration for my post. > > > > > > I've read "Lolita" about 3 times. It is one of my favourite > books > > > and the Adrian Lyne film version one of my favourite movies. > > > > > > Yes, horrible and distasteful subject but the book reads like > poetry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yum! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > ~--> > > > > > Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for > > > > > Healthy Drug-Free Living. > > > > > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > -~-> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Or go to: > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What sort of prison sentence do you think ]Bush] shou...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/20/05 7:02:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > But for a southerner growing up during segregation its hard to > imagine > > > he didn't understand what it meant. > > > > > > Or he is dense. Like someone who grrew up in the 50's and 60's > and > > > doesn't "get" that there was inherent racism in "Aunt Jamaiah" > ads. > > > And to then walk up to a modern day elderly black woman and > say, "You > > > look just like Aunt Jamaiah -- I bet you make great pancakes". > > > > > > Either way, its not a pretty picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > No it's not hard to imagine at all. I grew up in Texas during > > segregation > > > and never heard that rubbing a Negroes' head was done for luck. > > > > > > Ok. If you are saying this is teh first time you have ever heard of > > the practice. Which is odd, I grew up in the north and heard of the > > practice at some point -- probably in college years. Perhaps we > each > > had different levels of social awareness. > > > > > > Howard Stern habitually refers to Spike Lee as a "peanut head". > > Do you think it would be racist of him if he were to give Spike Lee > noogies on the top of his head? > Well if peanut butter were involved -- for sure Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 50th anniversary of the publication of "Lolita".
I really liked the scene where peanut butter was a key factor. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Interesting read in Slate about "Lolita" > > > Actually, that is where I got the inspiration for my post. > > I've read "Lolita" about 3 times. It is one of my favourite books > and the Adrian Lyne film version one of my favourite movies. > > Yes, horrible and distasteful subject but the book reads like poetry. > > > > > > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Yum! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ~--> > > > Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for > > > Healthy Drug-Free Living. > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > > > > > --- > -~-> > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What sort of prison sentence do you think ]Bush] shou...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 12/20/05 7:02:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > But for a southerner growing up during segregation its hard to imagine > he didn't understand what it meant. > > Or he is dense. Like someone who grrew up in the 50's and 60's and > doesn't "get" that there was inherent racism in "Aunt Jamaiah" ads. > And to then walk up to a modern day elderly black woman and say, "You > look just like Aunt Jamaiah -- I bet you make great pancakes". > > Either way, its not a pretty picture. > > > > No it's not hard to imagine at all. I grew up in Texas during segregation > and never heard that rubbing a Negroes' head was done for luck. Ok. If you are saying this is teh first time you have ever heard of the practice. Which is odd, I grew up in the north and heard of the practice at some point -- probably in college years. Perhaps we each had different levels of social awareness. In fact I could > see that being used as an excuse to put your hand a head full of stubble or > short napping hair to feel the texture. Growing up in the fifties the common > hair cut was either a crew cut or a flat top and rubbing a white person's > head was just as common if not more so. No racism or disrespect was ever > intended, if anything, it showed affection and acceptance. Of course if somebody > rubbed a Negroes' head and said "boy, aren't you on the wrong side of the > tracks?" you have a different story. Attitude is the key. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can't evalue TM without direct experience.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 21, 2005, at 10:06 AM, ffia1120 wrote: > > > >> H... I wonder if MMY's pronouncements about various aspects > >> of life are "half-baked hypotheses devoid of fact" since he > >> obviously has not had "direct experience" with everything he > >> espouses. I mean, has he ever personally built a house? I was > >> in Vlodrop in 1997, sitting in a large room with MMY and all > >> these very wealthy donors. Doug Greenfield showed MMY a type > >> of new insulation for homes -- trying to get MMYs > >> approval to use it in his (Doug's) buildings. I remember > >> thinking, "What could MMY possibly know about inulsation? Who > >> is the real expert in this scenario?" > > > > Once you have experienced the insulating quality of the > > unified field you'll understand. :-) > > I hear that the latter has such a high e-factor that > it completely insulates you from reality. > And they have cool high-e windows of perception. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] FFL Annual Post Awards -- the Postie Toastie (aka the Post Modern)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > we should create a "best of" category for FFL for '05: > > > > 1. Most incomprehensible post > > 2. Most tedious thread > > 3. Most pissed-off poster > > 4. Most satvic poster > > 5. Most read poster > > 6. Most clinically disturbed poster: Axis 1 and Axis 2 > > categories > > 7. Biggest potty mouth poster > > 8. Most in-their-own-world poster > > 9. Most TB poster > > 10.Most curious spellur poster > > 11. Wisest decision made here all year (to leave) > -- I nominate Kirk, though I miss him > 12. Greatest cognitive errors (reading something, thinking it says something else) 13. Most attached to long ago posts 14. Most pithy 15. Dryest wit 16. Most informative 18. Best documented / substantiated posts 19. Most paranoid 20. Thinnest skinned. 21. Most inconsistent between words and actions 22. Most satiric 21. Most sarcastic 22. Best parodies 23. Most insightful 24. Clearest written 25. Most Humorous 26. Most ranting 27. Most appreciated Sansrkit scholar 28. Most wanted to post more 29. Most wanted to post less 30. Most tedious squabbles 31. Most insulting 32. Best one-liners Enough awards so everbody gets at least one! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Habitat for Humanity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > And the airlines serve peanuts. They must be part of the > conspiracy. > > And since airplance flew into the twin towers, Al-quada and Saddam > > must be in cahoots with Carter. > > > > I never thought of that! Oh yea. This is big stuff. You ought to really investigae these links. It really explains a lot -- believe me. > > Carter clearly is a muslim > > fundamenalist masquerading as a christian fundamentalist. > > > > Well, now I think you're going too far! > No, like it doesn't take it far enough. But I have't told you the UFO, holocaust fallacy and the part about Aids being a myth and all. And How the media-jews are in the thick of it. And how the conic sections inverted, within a 16 dimensional space is a swastika (the nazi form) with God, the white God, giving a straight arm salute. And how if you play the sgt pepper album backwards it really says "Carter is the devil, Carter is the anti-christ". > > > And Carter > > teaches sunday school. So sunday school kids, WHO ALSO EAT PEANUT > > BUTTER, are really muslim suicide bombers that Carter has trained. > And > > kids like computer games so its clear that all computers are part > of > > the plot to make america into a communist muslim state with women > with > > small tits. > > > > Now you're just being silly. > Just NOW being silly? > > Which we cannot stand for. And peanut butter is brown, so > > all people of color are bad. And whiney, just witness NOLA. So we > > should set up concentration camps for all people of color, all IS > > workers and execs,especially Gates, all sunday school kids, all > peanut > > farmers and everyone who rides on airplanes. > > > > > Well, you're half right... > > > > > > > And feed them all the > > peanuts Carter has stored away. Which will kill them either by > gucking > > up their insides or by the fungus. Which the commies created. > > > > > Actually, it was a Black American who invented peanut butter, so > unless you want to be accused of racism, I wouldn't go there. > > > > > > > Using > > the fluoride in the water. Which perverts out vial fluids, And then > > lock up the gays for their disgusting use of peanut butter. > > > > You mean like what they do with...GERBILS? > > > > > > > And we > > will then need to bomb Cuba, Venezula and NOLA with peanut butter > > bombs. And then we will start will all those rich media owning jews > > who are promoting airlines and peanut butter. > > > > I do like chocolate ice cream with peanut butter... > > > > > > > > Yep, I am with you so far Shemp, what next? > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Habitat for Humanity
For the literately challenged, this is an example of satire. See I really don't beleive this stuff, just so you know, Its a form or satire that "accepts" the premises of some wild and crazy idea, and them extends them, so that the silliness and absurdity is amplifed. Of course Shemps piece is probably satire. Though it seems odd that he -- with his political leanings -- would be satirizing right-wing conspiracy theorists devoid any grasp of logic. The only other explanation I can think of is he has slipped over the edge. A possibiity I find sad and pray for his recovery, if its possible. --- --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And the airlines serve peanuts. They must be part of the conspiracy. > And since airplance flew into the twin towers, Al-quada and Saddam > must be in cahoots with Carter. Carter clearly is a muslim > fundamenalist masquerading as a christian fundamentalist. And Carter > teaches sunday school. So sunday school kids, WHO ALSO EAT PEANUT > BUTTER, are really muslim suicide bombers that Carter has trained. And > kids like computer games so its clear that all computers are part of > the plot to make america into a communist muslim state with women with > small tits. Which we cannot stand for. And peanut butter is brown, so > all people of color are bad. And whiney, just witness NOLA. So we > should set up concentration camps for all people of color, all IS > workers and execs,especially Gates, all sunday school kids, all peanut > farmers and everyone who rides on airplanes. And feed them all the > peanuts Carter has stored away. Which will kill them either by gucking > up their insides or by the fungus. Which the commies created. Using > the fluoride in the water. Which perverts out vial fluids, And then > lock up the gays for their disgusting use of peanut butter. And we > will then need to bomb Cuba, Venezula and NOLA with peanut butter > bombs. And then we will start will all those rich media owning jews > who are promoting airlines and peanut butter. > > Yep, I am with you so far Shemp, what next? > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > see end > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the Carter Center in Atlanta serves as a front for > > the > > > > > > whole sordid enterprise, too! > > > > > > > > > > > > "Sorid enterprise" now you have gone from unsubstanted > > fantasy > > > > > > speculation to depcting such as reality. Thats the kind of > > > > > > fantasy/acting out "cross-over" that some say becomes > > dangerous. > > > > > > > > > > No, no. Habitat for Humanity is sordid to start > > > > > with, you see, because it provides homes for poor > > > > > people. And on top of that, according to Shemp, > > > > > it's corrupt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. I should have realized that. Silly me. > > > > > > > > And the Carter Center. Yes a real scam machine. All those > > humaitarin > > > > fronts -- like wiping out Ginea worm , River Blindness, etc. > > > > Devestating diseases. > > > > > > > > http://www.cartercenter.org/default.asp?bFlash=True > > > > And their Current Peace Making Initiatives -- they all seem so > > > > shallow compared the Shemps humanitrian work: > > > > > > > * Observing elections in emerging democracies or those in > > danger > > > > of backsliding from democracy > > > > * Seeking lasting peace in Sudan > > > > * Promoting inter-American relations through the Council of > > > > Presidents and Prime Ministers of the Americas > > > > * Encouraging national reconcilia
[FairfieldLife] Re: Habitat for Humanity
And the airlines serve peanuts. They must be part of the conspiracy. And since airplance flew into the twin towers, Al-quada and Saddam must be in cahoots with Carter. Carter clearly is a muslim fundamenalist masquerading as a christian fundamentalist. And Carter teaches sunday school. So sunday school kids, WHO ALSO EAT PEANUT BUTTER, are really muslim suicide bombers that Carter has trained. And kids like computer games so its clear that all computers are part of the plot to make america into a communist muslim state with women with small tits. Which we cannot stand for. And peanut butter is brown, so all people of color are bad. And whiney, just witness NOLA. So we should set up concentration camps for all people of color, all IS workers and execs,especially Gates, all sunday school kids, all peanut farmers and everyone who rides on airplanes. And feed them all the peanuts Carter has stored away. Which will kill them either by gucking up their insides or by the fungus. Which the commies created. Using the fluoride in the water. Which perverts out vial fluids, And then lock up the gays for their disgusting use of peanut butter. And we will then need to bomb Cuba, Venezula and NOLA with peanut butter bombs. And then we will start will all those rich media owning jews who are promoting airlines and peanut butter. Yep, I am with you so far Shemp, what next? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > see end > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I think the Carter Center in Atlanta serves as a front for > the > > > > > whole sordid enterprise, too! > > > > > > > > > > "Sorid enterprise" now you have gone from unsubstanted > fantasy > > > > > speculation to depcting such as reality. Thats the kind of > > > > > fantasy/acting out "cross-over" that some say becomes > dangerous. > > > > > > > > No, no. Habitat for Humanity is sordid to start > > > > with, you see, because it provides homes for poor > > > > people. And on top of that, according to Shemp, > > > > it's corrupt. > > > > > > > > > > Yes. I should have realized that. Silly me. > > > > > > And the Carter Center. Yes a real scam machine. All those > humaitarin > > > fronts -- like wiping out Ginea worm , River Blindness, etc. > > > Devestating diseases. > > > > > > http://www.cartercenter.org/default.asp?bFlash=True > > > And their Current Peace Making Initiatives -- they all seem so > > > shallow compared the Shemps humanitrian work: > > > > > * Observing elections in emerging democracies or those in > danger > > > of backsliding from democracy > > > * Seeking lasting peace in Sudan > > > * Promoting inter-American relations through the Council of > > > Presidents and Prime Ministers of the Americas > > > * Encouraging national reconciliation in Liberia > > > * Helping citizens and governments fight corruption by > supporting > > > access to information laws > > > * Mediating peaceful transfers of authority in contested > elections > > > * Mediating between the Venezuelan government and opposition > to > > > help resolve the political crisis > > > * Strengthening the capacity of civic organizations to > participate > > > in public policy making and promoting the rule of law > > > * Advocating for stronger international human rights systems > and > > > helping new democracies establish human rights laws and > institutions > > > * Promoting democratic accountability by developing methods > to > > > make political financing more transparent and involving civic > groups > > > in public dialogue with governments on crucial national issues > and laws > > > * Promoting sustainable development through comprehensive > > > country-specific strategies and more effective glo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Habitat for Humanity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I think the Carter Center in Atlanta serves as a front for > the > > > > whole sordid enterprise, too! > > > > > > > > "Sorid enterprise" now you have gone from unsubstanted fantasy > > > > speculation to depcting such as reality. Thats the kind of > > > > fantasy/acting out "cross-over" that some say becomes > dangerous. > > > > > > No, no. Habitat for Humanity is sordid to start > > > with, you see, because it provides homes for poor > > > people. And on top of that, according to Shemp, > > > it's corrupt. > > > > > > > Yes. I should have realized that. Silly me. > > > > And the Carter Center. Yes a real scam machine. All those > humaitarin > > fronts -- like wiping out Ginea worm , River Blindness, etc. > > Devestating diseases. > > > > http://www.cartercenter.org/default.asp?bFlash=True > > And their Current Peace Making Initiatives -- they all seem so > > shallow compared the Shemps humanitrian work: > > > > * Observing elections in emerging democracies or those in > danger > > of backsliding from democracy > > * Seeking lasting peace in Sudan > > * Promoting inter-American relations through the Council of > > Presidents and Prime Ministers of the Americas > > * Encouraging national reconciliation in Liberia > > * Helping citizens and governments fight corruption by > supporting > > access to information laws > > * Mediating peaceful transfers of authority in contested > elections > > * Mediating between the Venezuelan government and opposition to > > help resolve the political crisis > > * Strengthening the capacity of civic organizations to > participate > > in public policy making and promoting the rule of law > > * Advocating for stronger international human rights systems > and > > helping new democracies establish human rights laws and > institutions > > * Promoting democratic accountability by developing methods to > > make political financing more transparent and involving civic > groups > > in public dialogue with governments on crucial national issues and > laws > > * Promoting sustainable development through comprehensive > > country-specific strategies and more effective global development > > cooperation. > > > > > ...yet NONE of you -- not a one! -- has said anything about the > sacks and sacks and sacks of peanuts that he and Roslyn keep on that > farm of theirs out in Plains. Jimmy and and Roslyn kept sacks of peanuts on their farm of theirs out in Plains -- not too unusual for a peanut farmer -- and this makes the above accomplishments of the Carter Center sorid? Again Shemp, I pray you have the ability to see a huge chasm in your logic chain. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Habitat for Humanity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > I think that a correlation should be done between the number of > > > peanuts Mr. Carter has stashed away and the number of HFH > edifices > > > he has participated in building. > > > > And what would such correlation prove? I am quite confident I can > show > > you all sorts of high correlations between HFH edifices > > he has participated in building and things such as: sun spots, > stock > > price movements of ove 1000 listed securities, transits of some > major > > and minor planets, the number of times paris hilton farts in a > year, > > the barking frequenscy of some dogs, drug arrests in some towns, > the > > number of posts on some lists, the number of vowels on the front > page > > of some major dailies, etc. > > > > The point being, mere correlation does not prove anything. > > There ae thousands of spurious correlations to anything you want to > > find correlations for. What is needed is a structural explanative > > model-- as to why such a correlation should be found, the finding > of > > such other correlations in fraud cases, and any number of other > things > > before you can begin to suggest a causal relationship. > > > > > > > I think the Carter Center in Atlanta serves as a front for the > whole > > > sordid enterprise, too! > > > > "Sorid enterprise" now you have gone from unsubstanted fantasy > > speculation to depcting such as reality. Thats the kind of > > fantasy/acting out "cross-over" that some say becomes dangerous. > > > > Don't you remember Billy Carter? > Yes. And that makes the Carter Center sorid? I pray that you see quite a dissconnect in that logic train, shemp. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Habitat for Humanity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > I think the Carter Center in Atlanta serves as a front for the > > > whole sordid enterprise, too! > > > > > > "Sorid enterprise" now you have gone from unsubstanted fantasy > > > speculation to depcting such as reality. Thats the kind of > > > fantasy/acting out "cross-over" that some say becomes dangerous. > > > > No, no. Habitat for Humanity is sordid to start > > with, you see, because it provides homes for poor > > people. And on top of that, according to Shemp, > > it's corrupt. > > > > > It's a way for freeloaders to get free housing...and Jimmy Carter > gets kickbacks...all paid in shelled, ready-to-eat peanuts. > And your evidence is? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Habitat for Humanity
see end --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > I think the Carter Center in Atlanta serves as a front for the > > > whole sordid enterprise, too! > > > > > > "Sorid enterprise" now you have gone from unsubstanted fantasy > > > speculation to depcting such as reality. Thats the kind of > > > fantasy/acting out "cross-over" that some say becomes dangerous. > > > > No, no. Habitat for Humanity is sordid to start > > with, you see, because it provides homes for poor > > people. And on top of that, according to Shemp, > > it's corrupt. > > > > Yes. I should have realized that. Silly me. > > And the Carter Center. Yes a real scam machine. All those humaitarin > fronts -- like wiping out Ginea worm , River Blindness, etc. > Devestating diseases. > > http://www.cartercenter.org/default.asp?bFlash=True > And their Current Peace Making Initiatives -- they all seem so > shallow compared the Shemps humanitrian work: > * Observing elections in emerging democracies or those in danger > of backsliding from democracy > * Seeking lasting peace in Sudan > * Promoting inter-American relations through the Council of > Presidents and Prime Ministers of the Americas > * Encouraging national reconciliation in Liberia > * Helping citizens and governments fight corruption by supporting > access to information laws > * Mediating peaceful transfers of authority in contested elections > * Mediating between the Venezuelan government and opposition to > help resolve the political crisis > * Strengthening the capacity of civic organizations to participate > in public policy making and promoting the rule of law > * Advocating for stronger international human rights systems and > helping new democracies establish human rights laws and institutions > * Promoting democratic accountability by developing methods to > make political financing more transparent and involving civic groups > in public dialogue with governments on crucial national issues and laws > * Promoting sustainable development through comprehensive > country-specific strategies and more effective global development > cooperation. And that ladies and gents IS real live sarcasm. Sometimes statements are so biased and unsupported that sarcasm seems the least confrontational, and possibly effective, resposne. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Habitat for Humanity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > I think the Carter Center in Atlanta serves as a front for the > > whole sordid enterprise, too! > > > > "Sorid enterprise" now you have gone from unsubstanted fantasy > > speculation to depcting such as reality. Thats the kind of > > fantasy/acting out "cross-over" that some say becomes dangerous. > > No, no. Habitat for Humanity is sordid to start > with, you see, because it provides homes for poor > people. And on top of that, according to Shemp, > it's corrupt. > Yes. I should have realized that. Silly me. And the Carter Center. Yes a real scam machine. All those humaitarin fronts -- like wiping out Ginea worm , River Blindness, etc. Devestating diseases. http://www.cartercenter.org/default.asp?bFlash=True And their Current Peace Making Initiatives -- they all seem so shallow compared the Shemps humanitrian work: * Observing elections in emerging democracies or those in danger of backsliding from democracy * Seeking lasting peace in Sudan * Promoting inter-American relations through the Council of Presidents and Prime Ministers of the Americas * Encouraging national reconciliation in Liberia * Helping citizens and governments fight corruption by supporting access to information laws * Mediating peaceful transfers of authority in contested elections * Mediating between the Venezuelan government and opposition to help resolve the political crisis * Strengthening the capacity of civic organizations to participate in public policy making and promoting the rule of law * Advocating for stronger international human rights systems and helping new democracies establish human rights laws and institutions * Promoting democratic accountability by developing methods to make political financing more transparent and involving civic groups in public dialogue with governments on crucial national issues and laws * Promoting sustainable development through comprehensive country-specific strategies and more effective global development cooperation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can't evalue TM without direct experience.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tanhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Various contributors have alleged that they are qualified to judge TM > on its merits without having practiced it. And who are these contibutors? News to about everyone here. One could no better > accomplish this hopeless task than render an evaluation on chocolate > cake without eating it. The fundamental reason for this is not the property of TM involving > the no hard concentration, but instead allowing the mind to wander on > it's own, someting that contrasts TM with a more fundamental type of > traditional meditation; as well as close relatives to TM as found in > Buddhist Traditions and Ananda Marga. Such a comparison of TM with > other techniques would be incomplete if restricted to this property > alone. > The most important ingredient is the POWER in the mantra, something > that can be evaluated and compared to other techniques only with > direct initiation. > My TM mantra definitely has power in it; but my initiation by one of > the Ramakrishna monks at the Vedanta Temple in Hollywood (1976) > provided a mantra with no discernable power in it. > Likewise, various mantras chanted in Muktananda's group generated > some power, but still inferior to TM (as well as his silent mantra > technique based on Om Namah Shivaya.) Nope, not much power > there...and I spent an appreciable amount of time in the presence of > Swami Muktananda.. > I've also been initiated by official representives of Guru Maharaji > (1970), Kirpal Singh, Charan Singh, Thakur Singh, and Darshan Singh; > (1974-1976). Nope, no power in those mantras. > Also in 1970 I was initiated by a representative of the Eckankar > founder, Paul Twitchell. No power in that mantra. > So, fellow (you know who you are)there's NO substitute for > direct experience!...So...before you say your Buddhist Guru's > teachings are superior to TM, the only way you can assert this with > any validity is to get initiated into TM and do the coke/pepsi test > for yourself. > Do this and report back on the results. > Without such direct experience, your're a speculator, not a scientist, > and your conclusions are half-baked hypotheses devoid of fact. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Again, I must politely disagree. The "press" rarely touches upon the inner dynamics of > history or current events, and has in fact been skillfully manipulated to preserve the myth > of Noble America. It takes time to put together a more accurate history and reading of > current events, and one must draw on many sources that "mainstream Americans" almost > never consult. Someone posted the Nobel Prize for Literature Speech by the current or recent winner. A lot of it focussed on the Reagan supported Qantra war against the democratically elected Sandanistas in Nicuragua. It prompted me to do some additioanl reading. Though this period occurred during my adulthood, I was busy with career at the time and only had a bit of a summary view of it all. When you dig into it, its pretty repulsive. > What has happened within the past few years is just that the current administration has > exacerbated the deeply-rooted fascist trends within this country and made it harder to > deny them. While I have perhaps a stricter def of fascism than you, and may quibble on the use of that word as the best word, I agree that the manipulation, spin, control of news in this adminsitration has sunk t new lows. But a big part of the problem is not the white house, not corporate concentaration of media, but the "press" it self. Its astounding and scary how Judy Miller almost single handly, blindly, dupely, took us to war in Iraq. (yes thats an exageration, but a case could be made that absent judy miller, the us may not have had the support to invade iraq.) Where the F was management at the NYTs? And your point of 50% americans thinking that Saddam blew up the towers is shocking. And to think that after the debacle of Iraq, the clear lies or incompetance that lead us their (WMD), the inept post invasion managment, the illiterate and barely verbal nature of the president -- that the american public could re-elect him is mind-blowing. But then again, in just a year, the public has caught on and his popularity is in the 30's. > Many decades of conditioning have to be overcome in order to see this. Its true, I beleive, that the American myth is taught and indoctrinated in k1-12 texts and classes. At least it was when i grew up, was when my niece was in school, and I suspect it still is - but perhaps some progress has been made. Though "Intellignet Design" makes you wonder. KH posted some articles by a great "realist" historian (Howard Zinn)-- with popular books suitable for HS. But lamented its hard to teach "real" stuff, because so much of the myth is part of the indoctrinated and dogmatic ciriculum. http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html And one of the oddest and IMO funny, tho scary things is that media in the us is generally a US news org. By definition its an oxymoron. Its not reporting the "real" news, it reporting how OUR troops are doing, etc. How can you objectively report a conflict if you take sides from the outset. It is a painful > process. Not everyone wants to do it. No problem. Life is short, but time will sort this > question out for future historians. I think things could tip either way -- at least for a while. But per prior post, I am cautiously optimistic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Aunt Jemima
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On the other hand the same charge was made of the "Amos and Andy" TV > shows (and radio shows) and quite sadly all copies were destroyed in > the 60's http://www.thevintageplayhouse.com/amosandy.htm I stand corrected. Hurrah. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Aunt Jemima
All props to Nancy Green (there was a great, top ranking World Cup ski racer from Canada, late 60s, early 70s, from Canada -- perhaps "Greene") -- But the image itself was sterotypical of blacks, for the reasons cited in my original post. On the other hand the same charge was made of the "Amos and Andy" TV shows (and radio shows) and quite sadly all copies were destroyed in the 60's because they were viewd as racist. IMO, no more racist than George Jefferson providing a less than stellar, but funny, depiction of a blackman. The Amos and Andy I remember was sweet, funny and full of humanity. Hardly a degrading image, IMO. That it focussed on some goofy characters is no different than Archie Bunker or the Three Stooges (which is far more a negative stereotyping of "whites" than Amos and Andy was of black.) Richard Pryor and other black comics had a host of hilarious black charactures in their routines. Kingfish and Saphire would have fit right in in their world. And Amos was the sweetest guy -- and as I recall, wise sage. Hardly a low stereotype. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From The African-American Registry > > November 17 > > On this date we celebrate the birth of Nancy Green in 1834. She was a Black storyteller and > one of the first (Black) corporate models in the United States. > > The world knew her as "Aunt Jemima" but her given name was Nancy Green. The famous > Aunt Jemima recipe was not her recipe but she became the advertising world's first living > trademark. Miss Green was born a slave in Montgomery County, Kentucky. Chris Rutt, a > newspaperman, and Charles Underwood bought the Pearl Milling Company and had the > original idea of developing and packaging a ready-mixed, self-rising pancake flour. To > survive in a highly competitive business, the men needed an image for their product. > > In 1889, Rutt attended a vaudeville show where he heard a catchy tune called "Aunt > Jemima" sung by a blackface performer who was wearing an apron and bandanna > headband. He decided to call their pancake flour "Aunt Jemima". Later, Rutt and > Underwood were so short of capital funds that they were broke. In 1890, they sold the > formula to the R. T. Davis Milling Company. Mr. Davis began looking for a Negro woman to > employ as a living trademark for his product, and he found Nancy Green in Chicago. She > was 56 years old. The Aunt Jemima Pancake Mix was introduced in St. Joseph, Missouri. > > In 1893, the Davis Milling Company aggressively began an all-out promotion of "Aunt > Jemima" at the World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago. Green, as "Aunt Jemima" > demonstrated the pancake mix and served thousands of pancakes. Green was a hit, > friendly, a good storyteller, and a good cook. Her warm and appealing personality made > her the ideal "Aunt Jemima" a living trademark. Her exhibition booth drew so many people > that special policemen were assigned to keep the crowds moving. The Davis Milling > Company received over 50,000 orders, and Fair officials awarded Nancy Green a medal > and certificate for her showmanship. > > She was proclaimed "Pancake Queen." She was signed to a lifetime contract and traveled > on promotional tours all over the country. Flour sales were up all year and pancakes were > no longer considered exclusively for breakfast. Nancy Green maintained this job until a car > crash in Chicago killed her, on September 23, 1923. The Davis Company also ran into > money problems, and the Quaker Oats Company purchased the Aunt Jemima Mills in > 1925. > > Reference: > Black Women in America An Historical Encyclopedia > Volumes 1 and 2, edited by Darlene Clark Hine > Copyright 1993, Carlson Publishing Inc., Brooklyn, New York > ISBN 0-926019-61-9 > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Habitat for Humanity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that a correlation should be done between the number of > peanuts Mr. Carter has stashed away and the number of HFH edifices > he has participated in building. And what would such correlation prove? I am quite confident I can show you all sorts of high correlations between HFH edifices he has participated in building and things such as: sun spots, stock price movements of ove 1000 listed securities, transits of some major and minor planets, the number of times paris hilton farts in a year, the barking frequenscy of some dogs, drug arrests in some towns, the number of posts on some lists, the number of vowels on the front page of some major dailies, etc. The point being, mere correlation does not prove anything. There ae thousands of spurious correlations to anything you want to find correlations for. What is needed is a structural explanative model-- as to why such a correlation should be found, the finding of such other correlations in fraud cases, and any number of other things before you can begin to suggest a causal relationship. > I think the Carter Center in Atlanta serves as a front for the whole > sordid enterprise, too! "Sorid enterprise" now you have gone from unsubstanted fantasy speculation to depcting such as reality. Thats the kind of fantasy/acting out "cross-over" that some say becomes dangerous. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Habitat for Humanity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > How would it be a scam? > > > > > > > > > > Don't you think that Jimmy Carter has found some way to convert > HFH > > > money into some sort of peanut pyramid scheme? > > > > > > > Heh. Always possible, but not plausible, IMHO. Habitat for > Humanity > > funding seems to flow out as fast as it flows in. I know a couple > who > > lives in a HFH house that they themselves helped build (is that > the > > normal way its done?) and its a nice little place. What portion of > > the money do you think is flowing into secret funds and who is > > getting it? > > > > I think that a correlation should be done between the number of > peanuts Mr. Carter has stashed away and the number of HFH edifices > he has participated in building. > > I think the Carter Center in Atlanta serves as a front for the whole > sordid enterprise, too! Tell us more of your conspiracy fantasies and speculations that have no substantiation presented. They are entertaining. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Aunt Jemima
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > If the intent was not a racist one, the event did make Mr. > Bush > > > > appear somewhat condescending, as well as disrespectful of a > > > > high-ranking government official. > > > > > > > > > > It can also be construed as a social gesture learned > unconsciously > > > without ever understanding what it was supposed to mean. He may > have > > > meant it in an affectionate way. Someone who has never heard the > > > word "nigger" beforemay start using it to refer to blacks > because he > > > heard the *blacks* refer to each other that way. > > > > But for a southerner growing up during segregation its hard to > imagine > > he didn't understand what it meant. > > > > Or he is dense. Like someone who grrew up in the 50's and 60's and > > doesn't "get" that there was inherent racism in "Aunt Jamaiah" > ads. > > > > > Just the ad by itelf is racist? > > And why is that? My point above was weakly worded. Better would have been something like: Or he is dense. Like someone who grew up in the 50's and 60's and doesn't "get" that there is inherent sensitivity to the original "slave" Aunt Jemima image among blacks and all people -- for "its stereotypical depiction of black women as servants. Aunt Jemima was characteristic of most advertising with black women as a reminder that their place was in the kitchen, and the majority of advertising was associated with food. Many blacks found Aunt Jemima in particular to be an obvious and insensitive reminder of slavery. An early depiction of Aunt Jemima said' On the old plantation, Aunt Jemima refused to reveal to a soul the secret of those light fragrant pancakes which she baked for her master and his guests. Only once, long after her master's death did Aunt Jemima reveal her recipe. It's still a secret.' ... The phrase "Aunt Jemima" is sometimes used as a female version of Uncle Tom to refer to a black woman who is obsequiously servile." (Wikipedia) > > And to then walk up to a modern day elderly black woman and > say, "You look just like Aunt Jemima -- I bet you make great pancakes". > > > > Either way, its not a pretty picture. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What sort of prison sentence do you think ]Bush] should get?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If the intent was not a racist one, the event did make Mr. Bush > > appear somewhat condescending, as well as disrespectful of a > > high-ranking government official. > > > > It can also be construed as a social gesture learned unconsciously > without ever understanding what it was supposed to mean. He may have > meant it in an affectionate way. Someone who has never heard the > word "nigger" beforemay start using it to refer to blacks because he > heard the *blacks* refer to each other that way. But for a southerner growing up during segregation its hard to imagine he didn't understand what it meant. Or he is dense. Like someone who grrew up in the 50's and 60's and doesn't "get" that there was inherent racism in "Aunt Jamaiah" ads. And to then walk up to a modern day elderly black woman and say, "You look just like Aunt Jamaiah -- I bet you make great pancakes". Either way, its not a pretty picture. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What sort of prison sentence do you think ]Bush] shou...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 12/20/05 4:02:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Mr Bush was introduced by an African-American male, > > whose head Mr Bush proceeded to rub while grinning and > > smirking. > > > > > > > > Wish I had a dollar for every time somebody rubbed my head when I > was a kid > > and had a flat top or crew cut. The only response I ever got to > why people > > did that was that they liked the way it felt. > > > It is also a way to show affection. Since touchy/feely stuff is not > always acceptable with boys, rubbing, scruffing, gently tugging at > someone's hair is one way to say "I like you." without having to say > those words out loud. > I recall the "dutch rub" -- I think thats what the maneuveur was called. Where -- an usually younger kid -- was grapped, in a headlock, then his head was rapidly rubbed with the knuckles of a cleached fist, which generated pretty intense heat. Not exactly an endearing move. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Valid observations, but there are a number of emerging factors that provide a counter force, or a new direction. > With respect to the "media myth", I think you have it exactly backwards. USA as the bastion > of freedom and democracy is the media myth. One has only to see who owns the media to > understand how this could be the case. Blogs. Podcasting and Internet radio -- huge diversity of independent news sources -- and cheap production giving the "pen" to the masses. Diversity of cable news and print media sources, including from overseaas. Indie films. Garage recording studios with internet distribution. "Affordable" Hi-Def video-cams allowing professional video, along with internet distribution. WiFi everywhere. > Outside the USA, the Evil Empire view is currently almost universal. It has particularly > floated to the surface with the current administration, coincidentally. And in 2008 Biden, Clinton, McCain or Guillardi copuld be president which will at least modify those views. > The history of military adventurism and economic exploitation, the subvesion of foreign > governments, etc, is well established, but it NOT generally explored in the mainstream > media. See above media comments. I am learning much more of the above from the above above. > More blatant recent developments regarding fraudulent elections ultimately, technology will get it right, virtualy elimintng he crap of the past two elections. > and the subversions of > our civil liberties Seantors just stood down the Patriot Act extension. > are merely the more recent and obvious indicators of corporate fascism. Read Tom Friedman's The World is Fat. I mean Flat. Corporate power is becoming increadibly diffused, distributed around the globe. > Europeans, having had more experience with these things, tend to see us as naive > barbarians. And South Africans hate the Dutch > Most Americans, on the other hand, tend to be in denial about it. See above media comments. It is a powerful force to change awareness. Those in the early stages > of owning it tend to be angry and/or frightened. And yet all of the above developments are reason for optimism and joy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > [...] > Now it is > > difficult to find the faintest shred of evidence that the world is > being "saved". So the Dream > > is Over, and the disappointment for many is huge and painful. > > I must be truely insane. I find the New and Improved TMO to be a > wonderous thing and genuinely have more expectations for it than for > the TMO of the Merv days. You have to "read" what Barry is really trying to say: Barry finds it difficult to find the faintest shred of evidence that his life hs any meaning or that he has made any authentic spiritual progress. So the Dream is Over, and the disappointment for Barry is huge and painful. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Guru "empowered" mantras (was Re: TMO as a valid employer)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Denial? What is there to deny? If it's not there, it's not there. > No > > > denial needed if it doesn't exist. > > > > Hilarious. > > > > It always boils down to a question of just what is the Emperor > wearing... > Yes, thats a good "view". Its what provokes my funnybone. 1) Brahaman say "walk the plank and suck eggs" 2) Cowboy Barry extolls the campfire creed, then in his action in his next few posts, breaks every "rule: he laid down. 3) "I have no ego, ANYWHERE, no-self" Peter is quite thin-skinned and delicately sensitive to any teasing seeing them as "insults". Who and what feels insulted when there is no ego or self? 4) Barry hears a couple of these emperor jokes and spews out pages of invective, hate and rage (apparently) at such stories and the storyteller -- and half the list -- about how he is cosmically stunned at how seekers can be so horrible to other seeker. What is curious, or maybe instructive, is that the "emporers" on this list never get the joke, never are able to laugh at themselves. Thats a key thing. In my observations, authentic spritual have a wonderful sense of humor, particularly about thems selves -- very humble and self-depricating when there is an "opening" to do so. And teasing of colleaues, pointing out foibles or pardoxes with their poking of fun. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- Tom Pall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Because we're an adult newsgroup now, should we > > > > include the word, "vagina" and "nipple" in every > > post > > > > somehow? > > > > Maybe if you refrained from the character > > assination, FFl can lose its > > status as an Adult group. Byut you can't do that, > > can you/ > > Tom I've made two wise ass quips about you. One was > about"negroes" touching you during ayur vedic > treatment and the other was about how your yagyas are > working because you now refer to African Americans as > spearchuckers instead of n*ggers. Quips directed at > your unusual (in light of your spiritual pursuits) > racist attitudes you've expressed in FFL. This is not > character assassination. Anything else you claim I > stated regarding you appear to be products of your own > anger towards me. In fact, why are you angry at me for > saying the above? You state that you are a proud > Aryan, right? I'm not making fun of yagyas. I'm not > making fun of you. I'm making fun of your racist > attitudes as expressed in your posts. And I think they > are quite deserving of being made fun of. > Well perhaps more. There was one post to tom with the phrase "nigahh" -- the context -- I can't recall it exactly, my imprssion it was something like "welcome back nigggah". And of course your famous "apology" sitting in the hal of fame of cheesy, insincere and repulsive apologies where you go through the motions of apology, the end by sayingsomething like -- "so lets get on to something important now, like gurus boning students!" I think there have bee half a dozen or so slurs against tom.And the totally curious thing is that they are not about anything in his "current" posts. But slams based on stuff Tom said months or years ago. The Sutphen Syndrome. Dance on dancer. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: BTW, Tom Pall...something you might have missed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tom, why do you keep on claiming that I stated your > character can never change? Of course a person's > character can change. You came to the conclusion that > I said that through a chain of inference that had > nothing to do with me. Maybe he feels that way because you are a powerful, though not sole, player and dancer of the Sutphen Syndrome. You violent trach people for comments made months even years ago. It implies someone who belives people don't change -- that that are forever the same "assholes" tht you percieved they were some time ago -- no hypothesis of potential human growth in your awareness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just in case, thank you Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You people fuckin' disgust me. You make a mockery of the > entire millennia-long spiritual quest. Your everpresent > hatred and lack of compassion spreads like a poison, and > makes me at times want to echo Bob Dylan's words in Masters > Of War: "And I hope that you die / And your death'll > come soon..." > > But that's not true. I *don't* hope you'll die. I hope > you all live a long, long, long time in this incarnation, > trapped in the toxic state of attention you have created > for yourself and around yourself. Because the longer you > live like this, and act like this, and the longer you treat > your fellow seekers the way that you do, the lower that the > Hellworld you'll wind up in your next incarnation will be, > and the further away you'll be from us. Wow, what a spiritual, compassionate. liberated guy. Certainly an inspiration. Please post you spiritual CV -- so we know which paths to avoid. Maybe you can seek therapy from Dr. Pete. That ought to be quite a trip. Blind leading the blind and all. While both professing "We have no egos, we are liberated, we are superior, we are princes of the city, we rock." As people starve and people die of cold -- the two of you thrive in the warmth of your ever flaming, self-superior egos. Good luck in the Bardo dude. All love and compassion for your transformation and real liberation -- some day. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: BTW, Tom Pall...something you might have missed
Ah, what a champ. What a straight shooter non vindictive guy. Feeling better now? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A while back I posted an idea here, in response to > your threats and bullying and clearly out-of-control > behavior on this forum and in regard to it. You can > read it as post #81757 in this forum. > > I just want you to know that I received an email this > morning from someone who only lurks on this forum but > who is as disgusted by your preadolescent posturing > and tirades as I am, and took the advice that I offered > in this post, and sent of a few emails to those you know > and love. > > According to this person, the people at Yagnas By Choice > and as much of your personal client list as possible have > now received copies of what *YOU* write on this forum in > your various "incarnations." > > No threats, no bullying, no "claims" of what you are or > are not, merely you, yourself *demonstrating* in your own > words and actions what you are. > > I think this is called karma. You have fun with it, > y'hear... > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just in case, thank you Rick
AndI hope you sober up soon. And lay of the Jack,jack. It does not suit you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gee, Merry Satvic holidays to you too Unc. May your loathing, angst > and anger find resolution soon. May all your wrath and hatred > dissipate soon. May all love, kindness, tolerance, acceptacne of what > is and a view beyond your grand ego bloom soon. > > All Love. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Well, it seems that *nothing* seems to get through to > > the whiny preadolescents who seem intent on destroying > > this forum, one way or another. So I figure it's good > > (just in case) to write a short thank-you note to Rick > > to let him know that some of us really appreciate what > > he tried to do here. > > > > He *tried*, as far as I can tell, to create a forum for > > adults amid the wreckage of a spiritual movement that > > insisted on treating its members like children, and then > > acted surprised when those children acted up. He *tried* > > to create a forum in which those adults could discuss > > anything they wanted, free from censorship by the TM move- > > ment Nazis or each other, and where people could discuss > > ideas *as* ideas, without being threatened by the new ones. > > He *tried* many things. > > > > In my opinion that attempt deserves praise, as do several > > of the regular posters here who seem to have "gotten" what > > was being attempted. My personal thanks to Rick (as poster), > > to Jim, to Pete, to Alex, to Tom T., to Shemp, to lurk, to > > Rory, and to many others for lightening my life and helping > > me to see new sides of its puzzle. I will miss you all if > > these pissants succeed in silencing your voices on this forum. > > > > To the pissants themselves, all I can say is, I think that > > YOU, more than anything else I've ever seen, represent the > > full horror of what the TM movement has done to the people > > who placed their faith in it. You came to it damaged, > > and it turned you into malignant monsters who actually > > think that it's OK to spend your time trying to destroy > > anyone and anything that points out that you're monsters. > > > > You came to the TM movement full of self-loathing, and it > > taught you how to refocus that loathing outward, and despise > > almost everyone you encountered as "lower" and "less evolved" > > than yoursleves. It taught you to lead a life full of ego > > games in which the objective is to put down as many people as > > humanly possible, so that the near-subhuman ego in you can strut > > on top of the intellectual carcasses and convince itself that > > it's reached new heights of glory. You came to it angry and > > confused and it made you angrier and more confused and not > > content to keep those things at home; it taught you to have > > a compulsion to try to "share" these malignant, poisonous > > mindstates with as many people as possible. > > > > You people fuckin' disgust me. You make a mockery of the > > entire millennia-long spiritual quest. Your everpresent > > hatred and lack of compassion spreads like a poison, and > > makes me at times want to echo Bob Dylan's words in Masters > > Of War: "And I hope that you die / And your death'll > > come soon..." > > > > But that's not true. I *don't* hope you'll die. I hope > > you all live a long, long, long time in this incarnation, > > trapped in the toxic state of attention you have created > > for yourself and around yourself. Because the longer you > > live like this, and act like this, and the longer you treat > > your fellow seekers the way that you do, the lower that the > > Hellworld you'll wind up in your next incarnation will be, > > and the further away you'll be from us. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just in case, thank you Rick
Gee, Merry Satvic holidays to you too Unc. May your loathing, angst and anger find resolution soon. May all your wrath and hatred dissipate soon. May all love, kindness, tolerance, acceptacne of what is and a view beyond your grand ego bloom soon. All Love. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, it seems that *nothing* seems to get through to > the whiny preadolescents who seem intent on destroying > this forum, one way or another. So I figure it's good > (just in case) to write a short thank-you note to Rick > to let him know that some of us really appreciate what > he tried to do here. > > He *tried*, as far as I can tell, to create a forum for > adults amid the wreckage of a spiritual movement that > insisted on treating its members like children, and then > acted surprised when those children acted up. He *tried* > to create a forum in which those adults could discuss > anything they wanted, free from censorship by the TM move- > ment Nazis or each other, and where people could discuss > ideas *as* ideas, without being threatened by the new ones. > He *tried* many things. > > In my opinion that attempt deserves praise, as do several > of the regular posters here who seem to have "gotten" what > was being attempted. My personal thanks to Rick (as poster), > to Jim, to Pete, to Alex, to Tom T., to Shemp, to lurk, to > Rory, and to many others for lightening my life and helping > me to see new sides of its puzzle. I will miss you all if > these pissants succeed in silencing your voices on this forum. > > To the pissants themselves, all I can say is, I think that > YOU, more than anything else I've ever seen, represent the > full horror of what the TM movement has done to the people > who placed their faith in it. You came to it damaged, > and it turned you into malignant monsters who actually > think that it's OK to spend your time trying to destroy > anyone and anything that points out that you're monsters. > > You came to the TM movement full of self-loathing, and it > taught you how to refocus that loathing outward, and despise > almost everyone you encountered as "lower" and "less evolved" > than yoursleves. It taught you to lead a life full of ego > games in which the objective is to put down as many people as > humanly possible, so that the near-subhuman ego in you can strut > on top of the intellectual carcasses and convince itself that > it's reached new heights of glory. You came to it angry and > confused and it made you angrier and more confused and not > content to keep those things at home; it taught you to have > a compulsion to try to "share" these malignant, poisonous > mindstates with as many people as possible. > > You people fuckin' disgust me. You make a mockery of the > entire millennia-long spiritual quest. Your everpresent > hatred and lack of compassion spreads like a poison, and > makes me at times want to echo Bob Dylan's words in Masters > Of War: "And I hope that you die / And your death'll > come soon..." > > But that's not true. I *don't* hope you'll die. I hope > you all live a long, long, long time in this incarnation, > trapped in the toxic state of attention you have created > for yourself and around yourself. Because the longer you > live like this, and act like this, and the longer you treat > your fellow seekers the way that you do, the lower that the > Hellworld you'll wind up in your next incarnation will be, > and the further away you'll be from us. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Barry-Margaret Appears to Have Run Home In Tears
Those neighborhood billlies, like Dennis, are S mean. Booo H Hooo. I mean just because I contradict myself totally -- they make so much fun of me. B Hooo Whoo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not"
Thank you Yoda for the thoughtful communique from the Force. Your Brahmanic messages are becoming more and more coherent to us lower vibration beings. And relvenat. Keep up the good dharamic work. your servant, in service braaahmaan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dr Pete writes: > Tom, in all seriousness, have you tried SSRS's > Sudarshan Kriya? It blows out some pretty deep > impressions in the ol' chitta. > > Tom T: > Not my issue but a friends. I have been his conduit to work through > much of his stuff. I did not know the details until recently when he > shared the stuff about toxic rage. I didn't think too many people here > were familiar with that understanding. When he told me, a lot of > pieces of a lot of behavior I had observed clicked into place. It > seemed reasonable to share that insight. Tom T > PS my friend is not in a safe enough place yet to encourage him to > open the doors too far, too fast. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > on 12/19/05 10:36 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > They can't really *admit* the lack of progress, > > > because that would be "off the program" and would make it > > > sound like they were doubting the all-holy teacher and > > > tradition, but they're very *aware* of their own lack > > > of progress. ESPECIALLY if someone comes around and > > > talks about a basically normal, everyday experience of > > > enlightenment, something that really *should* be normal > > > and everyday in a real happening tradition. The people > > > hearing this often get really, really, really, really > > > PISSED OFF. > > > > I can attest to this bit, here in FF. Some people get really upset > at the > > suggestion that people around town might actually be enlightened, or > Awake, > > or whatever you want to call it. It threatens their belief structure. > > Probably because these so-called enlightened people seem so ordinary. > > > > That's why they are pejoritively labeled 'so-called enlightened'. (We > wouldn't want people actually getting enlightened, now would we...) > > JohnY Enlightened is wonderful. Brahman clones and proclamants, more dour, angry and depressed than Max van Sydow in all his Imgmar Bergman films, is questionable. One who shouts down inquisitors, calls them frauds and liars, and to "suck eggs" is questionable, Those proclaiming great advaida-speak in one post, then totally contradicting it in the next post, is questionable. One proclaiming "No ego, No I" and yet is uber-sensitive to perceived (not actual) insults, is questionable. One proclaiming total and eternal liberation, and total support of nature, who is entrapped in dogma, is questionable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How funny. My yagnas and readings are working
i love them. I know some of the dumbest, yet sweetest, blonde girls. Sweetness, big loving heart, uber-compassionate and caring , amd blomnde, -- beats pure intellecutal girls any day. And brains and heart, and blonde -- very high loka. And I am blond. Well touch of grey now, as the GD (Grateful Dead) acknowldege, compelling silver actually, but as said, my genes go three octives higher when I see a pure norwegian, finish, or even kewl california blonde beach girl. And all props to all women. Jeniffer Morrison of Dr. House, wrote: > > > > (Hey I collect blonde jokes and find > > them hilarious -- > > and to some degree -- TRUE). But it is a recognition > > of the value of > > maintaining at lest some genetic diversity. > > Sounds like it's time for my collection of blonde > jokes: > > A married couple woke up when the phone rang at 2 in > the morning. The wife (undoubtedly blonde), picked > up the phone, listened a moment and said, "How should > I know, that's 200 miles from here!" and hung up. The > husband said, "Who was that?" The wife said, "I don't > know, some woman wanting to know "if the coast is > clear." > > -- > > Two blondes are walking down the street. One notices > a compact on the sidewalk and leans down to pick it > up. She opens it, looks in the mirror and says, "Hmm, > this person looks familiar." The second blonde says, > "Here, let me see!" So the first blonde hands her > the compact. The second one looks in the mirror and > says, "You dummy, it's me!" > > -- > > A blonde suspects her boyfriend of cheating on her, so > she goes out and buys a gun. She goes to his apartment > unexpectedly and when she opens the door she finds him > in the arms of a redhead. Well, the blonde is really > angry. She opens her purse to take out the gun, and as > she does so, she is overcome with grief. She takes the > gun and puts it to her head. The boyfriend yells, "No, > honey, don't do it." The blonde replies, "Shut up, > you're next!" > > -- > > A blonde was bragging about her knowledge of state > capitals. She proudly says, "Go ahead, ask me, I know > all of them." A friend says, "Oaky, what's the capital > of Wisconsin?" The blonde replies, "Oh, that's > easy...W". > > -- > > What did the blonde say to her doctor when he told her > she was pregnant? "Is it mine?" > > - > > A young blonde was on vacation in the depths of > Louisiana. She wanted a pair of genuine alligator > shoes in the worst way, but was very reluctant to pay > the high prices the local vendors were asking. After > becoming very frustrated with the "no haggle" attitude > of one of the shopkeepers, the blonde said, "Maybe > I'll just go out and catch my own alligator so I can > get a pair of genuine alligator shoes at a reasonable > price!" The shopkeeper humored her, saying "By all > means, be my guest. Maybe you'll luck out and catch > yourself a really big one!" Determined, the blonde > turned and headed for the swamps, set on catching > herself an alligator. Later in the day, the shopkeeper > was driving home when he heard what sounded like a > shotgun being fired. He looked over by the nearby > swamp and spotted the young woman who had been in his > shop just a few hours earlier standing waist deep in > the water, shotgun in hand. The shopkeeper stopped his > car and began watching in amazement. Suddenly, he saw > a huge 11-foot alligator swimming quickly towards her. > She took aim, shot the creature and with a great deal > of effort hauled it onto the swamp bank. Laying nearby > were several more of the dead creatures. At this > point, the shopkeeper decided to get out of his car > and approach the blonde. He asked, "What in the world > is going on here?" Just then, the blonde flipped the > 11-foot alligator on its back and, frustrated, shouted > out, "This one isn't wearing any shoes either!" > > -- > > A blonde, wanting to earn some money, decided to hire > herself out as a handyman-type person and started > canvassing a well-to-do neighborhood. She went to the > front door of the first house and asked the owner if > he had any jobs for her to do. "Well, you can paint my > porch. How much will you charge?" The blonde said "How > about 50 dollars?" The man agreed and told her that > the paint and other materials that she might need were > in the garage. The man's wife, inside the house, heard > the conversation and said to her husband, "Does she > realize that the porch goes all the way around the > house?" The man replied, "She should, she was standing > on it." A short time later the blonde came to the door > to collect her money. "You're finished already?" he > asked. "Yes
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- L B Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > A few weeks ago, Tom Pall genuinely apologized for > > one of his posts to Dr Pete, > > spontaneously and almost immediately after sending > > it. > > You know, I didn't catch that post and I'm sorry I > didn't see it. I also should apologize for Tom for > making a wise-ass crack at his expense. Props to Dr. Pete for an apology. > It was funny, To you. Perhaps only you. I found your omments / humor repuslsive. > but at his expense. So, perhaps time to forgive all > around. Yes. Always a good direction. And support for you continuing further in that direction. Your original comment caused a lot of disruption and pain. Justified or not. An after the fact apology, a good first step, is just one step in resolving the cascade of hate and retribution that your posts/ aka so called humor , invoked. Good first step, but you need to dig deeper. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > This issue of one or more persons (sometimes the > > > majority of active posters) perceiving one partic- > > > ular poster as consistently angry, and abusive > > > because of that anger, suddenly "clicked" for me > > > this afternoon. I had known that it reminded me > > > of something, but I had not been able to figure > > > out *what* it reminded me of. > > > > > > Bingo! Got it. It reminded me of visiting > > America > > > recently, my first trip back in over two and a > > half > > > years. > > > > > > Unless you've lived *outside* the country for a > > while, > > > and are just re-entering it, you really aren't > > going > > > to get (or believe) what I'm saying, and in fact > > you'll > > > get angry about it, and say to yourself, "He's > > full of > > > shit." I know this going in, because that's the > > very > > > phenomenon I'm talking about. > > > > > > I would say that MOST (and by "MOST" I mean 80-90% > > of > > > the people I interacted with during my week in > > America > > > were ANGRY. The *first* thing that hits you, if > > you've > > > been away for a while is the level of F E A R in > > the > > > air. Almost everyone is afraid, all the time. > > And if > > > you mention this perception to them, they'll tell > > you > > > they're not. And THEN they'll get angry at you > > for > > > having noticed that they're afraid. And THEN > > they'll > > > deny that they're angry. > > > > > > It's just the weirdest thing. Why I think it > > relates > > > to issues here on FFL is that a number of the > > posters > > > whom a lot of people agree are out-of-control > > angry > > > DENY that they're angry. Well, I don't think that > > they > > > KNOW consciously that they're angry. Anger is > > their > > > *baseline* state, the thing they settle back > > *down* to > > > and "relax" into when their out-of-control moments > > settle > > > down. Anger is so much a part of their lives, so > > much > > > the "background soundtrack" of those lives, that > > they > > > think it's normal. So they get even angrier when > > some- > > > one points out that they're angry, because they > > don't > > > want to admit that they're angry all the time. > > > > > > Sadly, this is my (and a lot of Europeans') view > > of > > > America and Americans at this time. They're so > > afraid > > > all the time that it makes them angry almost all > > the > > > time. But they cannot admit either the anger or > > the > > > fear to themselves because that would > > be...uh...like > > > Un-American or something. :-) > > > > > > And even more sadly, that is the scenario in and > > around > > > a lot of spiritual traditions in which people have > > been > > > pursuing enlightenment for 20-30 years with no > > real sign of > > > progress. They can't really *admit* the lack of > > progress, > > > because that would be "off the program" and would > > make it > > > sound like they were doubting the all-holy teacher > > and > > > tradition, but they're very *aware* of their own > > lack > > > of progress. ESPECIALLY if someone comes around > > and > > > talks about a basically normal, everyday > > experience of > > > enlightenment, something that really *should* be > > normal > > > and everyday in a real happening tradition. The > > people > > > hearing this often get really, really, really, > > really > > > PISSED OFF. > > > > > > And in my opinion that's what you're feeling > > around FFL > > > right now. > > > > > > This is just my opinion, and I'm just throwing it > > out there > > > for other people to bounce off of. I'm not going > > to get > > > === message truncated === > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-->
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm n
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Judy Stein writes:snipped > > Typically, when they were young, these people were > > routinely punished for expressing anger, and they > > internalized the notion that anger was a Bad Thing-- > > not just Bad, but Dangerous to their very survival. > > > > Tom T comments: > > When anger is shamed the only option is to turn it > > into toxic rage. No > > where else to go with it. And of course to express > > toxic rage is to go > > to thermonuclear war which is not an option. Bottom > > line, it does not > > get expressed and instead is internalized. Not a fun > > place to be. > > > > Tom T > > Tom, in all seriousness, have you tried SSRS's > Sudarshan Kriya? It blows out some pretty deep > impressions in the ol' chitta. > While all props to SSRS, now is not the time for proseletizing your trip. Your sense of timing is astounding. But at least you are headed in the righjt direction. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the Tom that created such a stir here
I guess a dis is intended by characerizing me a pre-pubescent. I am comfortable with my life at 10. I am guessing you were not -- perhaps a bully fill of derision for others. Thats what your "dis" implies. At 10, I was the type who would find wounded birds on the ground and nurse them back to health so they could fly away. I wouldstay after school because a sweet teacher offered to teach some of spanish, how fabulous I thouht! Uno dos ,tres -- its from that period. I was absorbed in books and readings, quite above my grade level. Taking out 5 books every two weeks from the library -- the limit. I was often at th library. At 10 I remember taking outlliteraly 20-30 books on poverty in latin america because I wanted to do something about it. Perhaps, not exactly at 10, more at 12 or 13, I became absorbed and inspired by stories of the freedom riders, and the storeisof alocal priest who went there -- was beaten and returned to tell his stories. The strugles in the south during the voting registration drives, prior to the civil right movement. And this was in the context of a conservative household, one not itself driven towards such endeavors. I was a lover of hiking and nature, and learning the names of all the trees and flowers in my area -- and in moutains I visited. Hundreds. I wish I could now remember them all. I tried to befriend some kids picked on by the popular kids. More inspired by a good friend who did that, but I followed his kind lead. Though not from a church attending family, i would sneak into annual communion, And into that so silent sweet chapel off the church I "befriended" -- not one my parents took me too. I loved looking a the wind swaying the dense green array of redwoods,oaks, manzenita and eucaplitus trees in my area. I loved looking at the sky and wondering where it began and where it ended. I would stare at teh family bible, neve used, and melt in reverance that this was teh "word of God". The word of God, here in our house. How amazing. How mind blowing! I love my pre-pubescent years. I am sad you did not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Braaa Does your penis have any hair on it yet? > Or is that a big vagina down there? H HEEE this is > satire. I love it! Hello F*ck face! Hee hee hee! Don't > INTERPRET my words as anger a**wipe. HEE, HEE, HEE!!! > Have you killed your dog yet!! Hee HEEE, this is late > 12th centurary satire! I'm so smart!!! > (Damn, and I thought I was done!) Thank you for > removing some of my kleshas, a**hole!! Satire is > WE!! Hey, I'm not angry. YOU project anger > into my benevolent posts, sh*t for brains. Damn, I > love this witty satire. Watch out Swift, Voltaire. > Here I come!!! No, no, turd brain is coming in > first!!! > > --- braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Okay, would someone please clear this up. I > > thought that Tom Pall,who > > > Peter seemed to be arguing with, was Brahmn > > and not that turns out > > > not to be so. I just looked backwards through the > > posts and the only > > > post I could find that were from Tom Pall have his > > name showing. And > > > all he seemed to post was quotes from Deepak > > Chopra. > > > So who is Peter arguing with, who are you > > attributing the identity of > > > Tom to? > > > > Peter is arguing with old snakes rattling tin cans > > in the recesses of > > his mind. > > > > Tom Pall is arguing against most veraciously against > > those who hurl > > shit at him currently, based on things he said > > months or years ago. > > Though then Tom begins to argue with "the list" > > because he sees that > > most on it must be like the shit hulers. > > > > Tom T. is arguing with all whom he feels oppress > > him. Which is a > > growing list. > > > > Unc is arguing with Tom P and unamed AMT stalkers > > who ae out to get him. > > > > Jim is arguing, with flailing arms, with anyone who > > asks for > > clarification of assertions. > > > > (if you sense trend of paranoia on the list, you may > > not be far off) > > > > Shemp is arguing with anyone without a > > one-dimensional view of the word. > > > > Judy appears arguing with no one today. > > > > Rick is arguing with no one, ever. > > > > The germans are arguing with the french > > > > The south africans are arguing with the dutch > > > > And I don't like anybody very much. > &g
[FairfieldLife] Re: How funny. My yagnas and readings are working
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bostonbob53" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Oh great Tom, How wonderful thou art! We all worship your greatness,
> your spiritual purity, your insight into the fine line between
> sarcasm, irony, and assholiness! Verily, your mind is an instrument
> of surgical contusion...sorry I meant confusion...errr...precision
> (yeah, that's the ticket)!
While I love the Jon Lovitz reference, I am wondering if, what I term
the "Sutphen Syndrome", is a disease on the spread.
(The "Sutphen Syndrome" is lambasting a poster, in the current time
frame, for comments made long ago. Its symtematic of i) one deeply
tied and captured to the past (by kleshas ?), ii) obsessed with past
perceived insults (real or otherwise) (which is particularly ironic
and bizzare for a "yogi" who claims he has no individual ego - it has
been destroyed in his ascent to enlightenment. All well and good, but
it does raise the prickly qustion: who is being insulted?) and iii)
one who denies the potential for human growth (odd for a therapist) as
reflected in casting and locking the image of a person in past images
rather that looking to their current behavior and observing if there
had been growth - or at least change -- then reacting to that.)
Unfortunately Bob, I see the "Sutphen Syndrome" growing in you. The
good news, its not termianl. someself-inquiry could cure you quickly.
> With that great YBC inspired mental acuity, perhaps you might lower
> yourself to enlighten us all on how you now repudiate the following
> utterances of your unenlightened past, if indeed you were
> unenlightened then.
Granted Tom has uttered some real zingers in the past. And he was
lambasted for such quite extensively at the time. Its odd to keep
hammering away at him at his acknowledged "imperfectsion" in the
present, when non of his curent behavior reflects his past "excesses".
And, I have to admit, its pretty rare for ANYONE on this list to
actually acknowledge their deficiencies - and viow to try every means
possible to improve the deficiencies. All props to Tom fordoingthat,
in my book. That he i) may have been a bit "deficient" in expected
humanity values in the past, and ii) may not yet be "perfected" (who
is, other than Tom, Peter, and Jim) -- even though his current
behavior appears to be pretty giving and sahring.
While I am not supporting Tom's past utterances, (and it IS the PAST
-- and when will old grievances be healed?), I offer up some
alternative POSSIBLE interpretations of Tom's words. I am not saying
these interpretations of Tom's words are true, I am saying that at
face value, they warrant as much consideration as the knee-jerk
politically correct induced-reaction implied in the editing of these
quotes.)
> In the words of Tom The Great:
> "Don't bother calling me a racist. I proclaim that I am one. Now
what are you going to do about it? Call me on it? I am proud to
proclaim > that I am one. Do you think calling me one discredits
anything else I write in this snake pit? It certainly doesn't shame
me to call me > what I freely admit to being. Proudly admit to being."
> --Message 71727
"Racist" can mean many things to many people. It can mean that one
believes its best, not mandatory, if races marry within their race to
maintain the wonderful uniquenes and qualities of the race. This view
has no sense of superiority -- only maintaining diversity. I know
chinese, black, jewish, arab, hispanic, scandanavian and french
families who maintain this view. Not all may agree with it, but it is
not demonic. it certainly is consistent with MMY's view -- though his
actual views are more extreme ("reactionary" in current parlance).
> "I am very sorry for the suffering and loss the people of NOLA
> suffered,
Seems pretty compssionate
> even though my politics are straight out of the Aryan
> Nation."
> --Message 71366
Covered above. Which dictums of the Arayan nation is tom referring to?
I heard that at current rates of intermarriage, natural blondes will
be extinct in 60 years. I find that sad. Perhaps because of being an
extreme blond as a youth. And perhaps while visiting Norway, my blond
genes thrilled and hummed at high octaves like never before in seeing
blonde Norwegian woman apparently from pure Norwegian families for
centuries back. Is that racist? I hope not. There is no sense of
superiority. (Hey I collect blonde jokes and find them hilarious --
and to some degree -- TRUE). But it is a recognition of the value of
maintaining at lest some genetic diversity.
> "But I am heartened by the levies not
> holding and the pumps failing. If only another hurricane would hit
> the New Orleans area while it's devastated, it would be an attempt to
> purge the evil of the New Orleans area which holds the moral
> and spiritual nature of One Nation Under God down. Tue French Quarter
> must be completely destroyed by the forces of Nature if this nation is
> to survive. The surrounding areas
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satire and Sarcasm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was thinking about the problem I'm having along with > others regarding many of Akasha'a posts and I realize > that his satire/sarcasm completely stops any > conversation. How can you resond to posts "replete" > with sarcasm/satire? You can't. You want to > respond,but there's nothing to say. Thats odd. Literature is replete with witty, sarcastic, ironic, parodistic, mimicing and quite entertaining if not thought provoking banter. It can even open the "gap" -- through its multi-level meanings and layers. I surely hope this is not an admission of witlessness. Or have you simply been driven to your wit's end? Well, carry on. Better to be f half-wit man than no man at all. Of course if you are saying my wit is able to stop your mind completely, perhaps I could go on the neo-advaitist satsang circuit and "stop minds" literally. Oh the deep hsotile rage undoubtedly embedded in that statement. I am so ashamed of myself! I say undoubtedly because it just makes me laugh. But if the good doctor sees rage, rage must be there somewhere. > There's no > entrance into the conversation. If with doors of perception are closed, I suppose. > An occassional > well-placed sarcastic response can be great, Your "lets get back to gurus boning students and other important matters" comes to mind, as particularly well placed wit in your apology to Tom Pall. It really emphasized your seriousness. > but when > the entire post is just a sarcastic riff, what can you > do? Nothing. Well, you are clearly speaking for yourself here. Frozen stiff by a witty retort -- unable to fathom any response - I can see why this whole topic and practice both scares you and enrages you. I used to have a 14 year old client who > was extremely bright, very verbal, and very, very > clever, but he was constantly going off on these > sarcastic riffs that prevented any authentic > relationship to form. You can't have a relationship > with someone who is constantly sarcastic. I would imagine it has to do with the level of wit involved. Oscar Wilde was quite sarcastic. Are you saying that you could not have a relationship with him? Or Woody Allen. Or Jerry Stienfeld. Or Sarah Silverman. I would pick Sarah for reasons beyond wit. But she would keep me laughing too. Is it hard for you to laugh? A dinner with Jerry Stinfeld would make you sad because his sarcasm would be to overpowering. Best never go see Don Rickles then. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Serious Sarcasm
Sarcasm >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Sarcasm is sneering, jesting, or mocking a person, SITUATION or THING. It is often used in a humorous or ironic manner. Usage The term is frequently misused as a synonym for irony. Irony refers however to the literal meaning and the intended meaning of the words uttered being different, while sarcasm refers to the mocking intent of the utterance. It is possible to be ironic without being sarcastic, and to be sarcastic without being ironic. Sarcasm is also regularly confused with cynicism, which in common use is seen as a fundamental nihilistic attitude toward other people and life in general, whereas sarcasm can also be used to express positive ideas or sentiments. = EXAMPLES == [Note -- Per below, it bears a strong resemblance to "obsrvational humor" and comedians' one-liners.] http://www.theotherpages.org/quote-16.html - SERIOUS SARCASM (163 entries) - This is a collection of rather biting wit from a variety of curmudgeons. There are a few milder comments sprinkled here and there, but many are like Rita Rudner's: "I love being married. It's so great to find that one special person you want to annoy for the rest of your life." --Steve - A - 1. Politics makes estranged bedfellows. -- Goodman Ace 2. A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -- Edward Abbey 3. There is no such thing as an underestimate of average intelligence. -- Henry Adams 4. Most of the time I don't have much fun. The rest of the time I don't have any fun at all. -- Woody Allen 5. I will not eat oysters. I want my food dead. Not sick, not wounded, dead. -- Woody Allen 6. Jack Benny played Mendelsson last night. Mendelsson lost. -- Anonymous 7. I don't mind what language an opera is sung in so long as it is a language I don't understand. -- Sir Edward Appleton - B - 1. People seem to enjoy things more when they know a lot of other people have been left out of the pleasure. -- Russel Baker 2. A bureaucrat is a Democrat who holds some office that a Republican wants. -- Alben W. Barkley 3. Life is a long lesson in humility. -- James M. Barrie 4. If you suveyed a hundred typical middle-aged Americans, I bet you'd find that only two of them could tell you their blood types, but every last one of them would know the theme song from the 'Beverly Hillbillies'. -- Dave Barry 5. The word aerobics comes from two Greek words: aero, meaning "ability to," and bics, meaning "withstand tremendous boredom." -- Dave Barry 6. The old system of having a baby was much better than the new system, the old system being characterized by the fact that the man didn't have to watch. -- Dave Barry 7. I've noticed that one thing about parents is that no matter what stage your child is in, the parents who have older children always tell you the next stage is worse. -- Dave Barry 8. It is not necesssary to understand things in order to argue about them. -- Caron de Beaumarchais 9. It is quite untrue that British people don't appreciate music. They may not understand it but they absolutely love the noise it makes. -- Sir Thomas Beecham 10. Everything is worth precisely as much as a belch, the difference being that a belch is more satisfying. -- Ingmar Bergman 11. The gambling known as business looks with austere disfavor upon the business known as gambling. -- Ambrose Bierce 12. Calamities are of two kinds: misfortunes to ourselves, and good fortune to others. -- Ambrose Bierce 13. Rugby is a beastly game played by gentlemen; soccer is a gentleman's game played by beasts; football is a beastly game played by beasts. -- Henry Blaha 14. One thing they never tell you about child raising is that for the rest of your life, at the drop of a hat, you are expected to know your child's name and how old he or she is. -- Erma Bombeck 15. I do not participate in any sport with ambulances at the bottom of a hill. -- Erma Bombeck 16. Guidelines for Bureaucrats: 1. When in charge, ponder. 2. When in trouble, delegate. 3. When in doubt, mumble. -- James H. Borden 17. The one function that TV news performs very well is that when there is no news we give it to you with the same emphasis as if it were. -- David Brinkley 18. The difference between a violin and a viola is that a viola burns longer. -- Victor Borge 19. You can't make up anything anymore. The world itself is satire. All you're doing is recording it. -- Art Buchwald 20. Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victems he intends to eat until he eats them. -- Samuel Butler - C - 1. I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of old ones.
[FairfieldLife] Guru "empowered" mantras (was Re: TMO as a valid employer)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > no, I left a word out. > I was just saying that in England, 'Big E' MEANS 'being given the > Elbow' i.e. being dismissed, dispensed with, etc. > > I think when you use the term 'Big E' you are referring to something > completely opposite in meaning. I suppose when the little e is given the Big E, it resultes in Big E. If one is in jolly ol' E. And perhaps in the Big Easy, where little e's are scarfed down like crawfish. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Guru "empowered" mantras (was Re: TMO as a valid employer)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Or were you referring to your own denial? > > > > That too. Is that "self-referral denial" I hear thats the best kind. Sort of a bubble of denial. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Seeing Rage
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > If you've realized that spending *any* time > > > interacting > > > > with a certain person or persons is fruitless and > > > always > > > > have been, you can skip the whole process by > > > hitting > > > > 'Next" the momemnt you see their name in the > > > 'From' > > > > field. No muss, no fuss, no starved egos trying to > > > > > > > force their way into your attention field. > > > > > > BTW, wanna see something interesting? Those of > > > you who are still reading the posts from this > > > individual (or from others who are like him in > > > terms of being Attention Suckers), watch how they > > > react when told that their victims have stopped > > > reading their posts. They usually freak out and > > > redouble their efforts to insult and attack the > > > people who are ignoring them. The game is *not* > > > about the claimed subject -- the game, for these > > > sick fucks, is about capturing attention, making > > > people focus on them. The more people who do, the > > > more they feel almost alive; the less people do, > > > the more they feel panicky and alone. Well, duh. > > > The latter is because they really ARE alone, and > > > can continue to be for the rest of their lives, > > > as far as I'm concerned... > > > > I can't imagine what sort of relationships these > > people must have in the "real world". They always must > > be right; they always must have the last word. They > > acknowledge no critique. Waste of an intellect. > > > > > > On the other hand, people who spend their time criticizing people > like that are obviously superior in every way. It kind of reminds me of a Rorshoch test. Unless they know each other, in person, for some years, most posters here know each other about as well as an ink blot. Some blur of detail, but far from "knowing" them: family background, education, profession, career, relationship status, children, friends, community work /interactions, extra-professional work (in associations, etc), volunteer work, ambitions, recreatrions, favorite books, films, music, epistimologcal processes, spiritual pursuits (other than TM), fitness level, diet, emotions and reactions in various life situations, etc. I suspect if the list met, there would be so many surprises: "you are NOTHING like I imagined!". So given that only a small tip of the iceberg of ones life is seen, on-list, a sort of blurry set of details, sort of like an ink-blot, its utterly fascinating and even astonishing to see people fill in their imagined details of others' personalities, lives, relations, motives and emotions . And the pretty emphatic confidence that they are doing so accurately. But no one has more confidence than former (and current) True Believer Spritiual Seekers. Its sort of like the addiction syndrome Tom referes to. Its my hypothesis, that most true beilevers (and most of us were once -- if not still) have a challenged credibility meter. They are moe open than others to the 'implausible". While it has an upside, it can devolve into something pretty sad. Like in AA, I think all "Big Dream" addicts, are always so: they are either active onesor recovering ones. Always vulnerable to "the big dream" -- but if a12 step set of tools of rationality are used, the "disability"can be kept in check. That some "ex" TBs believe are so confidentl that they can so accurately fill in the details of a strangers life, known only by some posts, is a great example of the Uber-confidence that the TB "great Dreamer" addict has in their own POVs, opinions and "abilities" (such as "intuition") -- which history has shown, has caused them difficulty, and near disaster for some, in their lives previously. While, it invokes compassion, it similtaneously can be another 'gut-ripping" laugh provoking observation, like other recently posted ones -- that are growing on my "Observational Humor among Spiritual Seekers". It could be a great book. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang
A point regarding this issue of one or more persons perceiving other posters as angry, and abusive -- suddenly "clicked" for me this afternoon. I had known that it reminded me of something, but I had not been able to figure out *what* is so intriguing. The premeise appears to be that content of a post is not "the thing", its the percieved emotional state of the poster that is paramont. If a poster is percieved as angry, or some other non acceptable state, then their content is discounted outright. Putting aside the difficulty of assessing a strangers "state" from miles away, from words alone, it seems that fundamental that content that which is important. Art and literature, while not of the same "level" as posts on this list, have all been created by those in various states: in pain, sufffering, angry, depressed, content, exaulted, drunk, stoned, sleepy, "actualzed", up for 4-days straigt, etc. While their "state" may be an interesting foot note, it does not determine, in any absolute or even substantial sense, the merits of the content of the material. That "state" over content, ideas, concepts, information is of primary interest for some is a "go figure" phenomenon. > Bingo! Got it. It reminded me of visiting America > recently, my first trip back in over two and a half > years. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > This issue of one or more persons (sometimes the > > majority of active posters) perceiving one partic- > > ular poster as consistently angry, and abusive > > because of that anger, suddenly "clicked" for me > > this afternoon. I had known that it reminded me > > of something, but I had not been able to figure > > out *what* it reminded me of. > > > > Bingo! Got it. It reminded me of visiting America > > recently, my first trip back in over two and a half > > years. > > > > Unless you've lived *outside* the country for a while, > > and are just re-entering it, you really aren't going > > to get (or believe) what I'm saying, and in fact you'll > > get angry about it, and say to yourself, "He's full of > > shit." > > You're full of shit, Barry. Dr. Pete would applaud you. Direct confrontation. No hiding behind satire, sarcasm, passive-aggressivism, parody, irony, etc. Thats the kind of direct talk he likes. (Except apparently when it insults his non-existing ego as Irmeli and Akasha posts / exchanges with DR PS seem to indicate). [I would suspect the above, last sentence would be seen as "passive-aggressive" by Dr. Pete. But he sees PA "everywhere". Maybeit is "everywhere". But it reminds me of the guy with abig hammer to whom EVERYTHING looks like the head of a nail. Well the PA hypothesis is certainly a hypothesis for consideration. I will ponder it. However, such a comment is also parallel and characteristic to what commonly is termed "observational humor". A favorite mode of many favorite comics and on-liner adficionados (Seinfeld, Leno, Carlin -- and Barry). It raises the question: is observational humor passive-aggressive? Always? Never? Sometimes? I will openly consider the full range of these questions. Still like some, I laugh at the notion of a "non-ego" that does not exist, being insulted. Call me sick if you must, but THATS funny. > I know this going in, because that's the very > > phenomenon I'm talking about. > > "If you agree, it's because I'm right. And if you > disagree, why, it's becauase I'm right." Yes, there are some funny exchanges going on. Using Dr Petes favorite analogy (used to describe discussion and incredibility of his "realization") but in this context, generalized to "you are angry" or, for that matter, any assertions made by others to oneself: Its raining. I am walking in the rain. I am soaking wet and someone insists I am perfectly dry. if One agrees (with the wrong statement) its because the observer is "right". If one disagrees (with the wrong statement) you are in denial -- and the observer is still "right". It gets funnier because the observers in recent exchanges then say -- I can't and I refuse to talk to you unless you acknowledge I am right (regardless of how silly my claims are"), you are perfecly dry! > In the lingo of the anti-cult cult, that's what's > known as a thought-stopper. I would suggest the above is at least also a thought stopper. > > I would say that MOST (and by "MOST" I mean 80-90% of > > the people I interacted with during my week in America > > were ANGRY. > > I don't imagine you've thought to ask yourself whether > the folks you were interacting with were angry because > your snotty, elitist way of dealing with people pissed > them off. Yes, when someone comes up to you in person, or the list, and says "Why are you so angry!?", and you say, "gee, I am not angry", that DENIAL is something they sometimes interpret as anger. As some obervational humorists would say "Go figure!" > Or because they *aren't* afraid, and you "mentioned > your perception" to them in a way that was designed > to piss them off so you could validate your own > wishful thinking. > > In my experience and observation, people who make a > big deal about how angry somebody else is are > *afraid* of anger, in particular their own anger. I think projecion is always a good hypothesis to consider.It may not always be active, but more so than many realize, IMO. > Typically, when they were young, these people were > routinely punished for expressing anger, and they > internalized the notion that anger was a Bad Thing-- > not just Bad, but Dangerous to their very survival. > > Once they've grown up, they have a tendency to > deliberately provoke anger in others whom they > perceive to be threats, because that way they can > feel in control; they've learned to suppress their > own anger, so they can then look down their noses > at the people whom they've made angry. In their > minds, that defuses the threat and reduces the > Anger Danger they so fear. Ineresting dynamic. Not always applicable, but always a worthy hypothesis to consider. In ones own reactions, but also in trying to understand "not so apparently rational" behavior in others. This list is a great lab for that.
[FairfieldLife] Guru "empowered" mantras (was Re: TMO as a valid employer)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Lineage, lineage, lineage. It's the morphogenetic field of the mantra. > > Oh yeah, and lineage. Lineage should take you back to the source of > the mantras original cognition. The best way to get a mantra is in > the same way it originally manifested or from someone who > experienced > a fresh manifestation of that sound at the para and pashyanti level. > The mystical side of me says. "groovy".(1) Statements and claims such as the above have fascinated and attacted me since my teens, and actually young childhood. However the rational side of me asks "why?". If it is sound, the full wave characteristics are embedded in the sound. Does linneage change the wave form? I supect not. So what is the "THERE there" that lineage adds to the wave form? What is that (neo)ooga-booga (neo in that it is current slang, not a past racial epitath.)(2) The mystical but wondering side of me thinks, well maybe its sort of like a live rose vs a dead rose. Chemically they may be the same, but clearly there is a difference. The analytical side says, well chemicaly only maybe. But if you did an infrared analysis or something, you could easily see a difference. An a minimum, less heat. And no "aspiration" flow or air and "sap".. The analytical side says, well I am open to some actual 'ogga-booga"from linneage being there, I just don't understand what that is -- it must have has some "relative" structure -- even if very subtle. +++ Interpretative KEYS + Key to a) satire, b) sarcasm, c) irony, d)parody, e) mimicing, f) self-mocking g) unsarcastic social mocking h) wink wink and i) angry confrontation) -- (1) Thats mainly an f. With a touch of g. (2) its not intended as a b), though I will let Judy be the judge if its receivd that way. Its more an homage and acknowledgment that I get the point, but also a recognition that many blacks and much of the society use the term with no demeaning intent. Maybe this is more of a (h). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cool, for drummers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Check out Daily Planet TV's # 096 and the animusic drum machine > movie. Also great if you haven't seen the entire Starwars idea acted > out in 30 seconds by bunnies. Antigrav also wicked cool. > > http://dailyplanettv.net/ > > Oh, and smile you angry fuckers. Who can help but smile at the recent flurry of posts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Guru "empowered" mantras (was Re: TMO as a valid employer)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" >I have noticed that a swifter route to the gap is dropping > thought altogether, just willing it. I have noticed over the years a sort of objectless inward stroke (meditation, flow) occurs by itself.. It can happen with eyes closed or in activity. With eyes closed, there is not an intent to meditate. Nor a "will" to drop thoughts. Its more lke falling off a cliff, or for skiers, simply letting go of any resistance (poles, edges) and let IT happen. Similar in activity. Its like awarenss rolls back nto itself. Starting "like" -- as an analogy -- rolling ones eyes back up into forehead and as if then looking backwards into the brain. In a parallel fashion, awareness seems to fold backwards, and then collapses -- like a dog who falls to the floor in a comfy, puppy like curled up postion. The latter, in activity, happens with the body in motion. But the active mind stops. It can create Bliss -- (which doesn't appear dumb to me -- contray to the experiene of some others) -- it "seems" parallel to pizo-electic devices -- in which current flows when pressure is applied to the pizo device. The process of folding awarness back into itself, puts sufficent, tough subtle, pressure on awareness such that bliss is "sqeazed out." A deeper level of awarness folding into itself, a type of object-less inward stroke (aka meditation) occurs with both the body in motion, and the mind / intellect complex in motion. And the intellect clearly recognizes the awarness "backward fold", (or like awareness taking backward dive off a diving board) as sometbing distinct from itself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on the "You're angry" / "No, I'm not" thang
Barry provides some thoughtful and thought provoking observations and hypotheses. While I open to the validity of such, it makes me wonder if other dynamics and explanations may also be possible. Ochams Razor would dictate looking for the simplest explanation. If 90% of people polled, or observed on-line, are told "you are angry" and they nearly universally say, "Well, actually not." And given that the poller in most cases has virtually no knowledge of the persons in questions other than a quick observation, a simpler explanation would be: the observation of anger is incorrect, and the self-reporting by people who know their own lives quite well, may actualy be more valid than the poller who has observed them for a few minutes, or read a few posts of theirs. But it certainly is fair and good to consider both explanations, as well as others. Barry's model suggests a generalized dynamic -- a framework from which other content might be hung. A current observation of mine comes to mind. As I have posted, I have found several recent posts quite funny.(1) I have asked in this forum, "Doesn't anyone else see the humor here?". Not much of a response -- though to be honest, not many people respond to such broad quesions. So one or two, of many possible explantions, are that: 1) people on this list don't have much of a sense of humor. Since there is a lot of joking around, that doesn't seem to fit. A second explanation could be 2) My sense of humor is different from others. Or 3) The observations are not funny. While open to number 3, humor is reflexive. When one laughs at something, by definition it is funny to them. Thus, if at least one person is laughing, its hard to tie a solid objective collar on any "laughed at" observation and say, in absolute terms that it is devoid of humor. In other words, "popular" humor may be democratic. Sometimes to the lowerst common denominator. More people think Jay Leno is funny than say Stephen Wright or Jeneanne Goroffallo. But it does not follow that Jay Leno is funnier in an absolute sense. Indeed if there is a "critical theory" for humor, I would speculate that popular humor may usually be observed as "lower humor" than humor that is more complex, nuanced and mult-layerd. Just a a list of blockbuster films is often quite different from a list of critically acclaimed films. Thus humor itself is not really democratic. If one person is laughing, by definition the joke or observation funny to someone. Given this, it appears to me, subject to further consideration, that the second explanation fits the evidence best. But in a generalzed context, not solely specific to me, option 2 raises some interesting possibilities. Are they laughing because they have a "warped" sense of humor? For example, a staple of physical humor is near universal laughter when someone "slips on the banana peel". Why that is is interesting. But this contrasts with "quite sick humor" -- for example, someone laughing at a roadside crash. Most would agree that someone finds a road crash funny is repulsive. Yet, somone is laughing, so in a universal objective sense, one can't say its totally humorless. Humorless to most, and perhaps ALL civilized people, but not humorless to all. Another local example. Dr. Pete 'apologized" to Tom Pall for his (Peter's) prior "humor", which Tom felt was distasteful, innapropriately personal, and referencing posts from many months ago -- nothing Tom currently said. So while I found no humor in Dr. Petes orignal "jokes", I found them sort of repulsive, Peter found them quite funny. Thus it can't be said the "jokes" were humorless in an absolute sense. Someone was laughing. And props to Dr. Pete, he apologized to Tom. Yet in the same post, same paragraph as the apology, he ends by saying something like "now lets get back to talkng about things of substance -- about gurus boning students." I gasped upon reading that. Could anyone possibly find that funny? To totally undercut the sense of seriousness of an apology by placing it in the same breath as some IMO juvenile "joke.". So different strokes for diffrent folks. Differnt types of funny bones. The point being there appears to be no universal and absolute standard for humor -- though there may be various "critical theories" just as there are in art, literature and film. But ultimately, some people laugh, some don't. Back to the specific, if I am the only one laughing, it is certainly reasonable, if not imperative, to ask myself, why do I find this funny and others don't. Is my reflexive humor (reflexive in that one can't decide whats funny -- one laughs reflexively at some things and not at others) warped, sick, driven by dark and socialy unacceptable factors? Could be, certainly a lot of good material for reflection and fodder for growth of understanding. Or while the "humor might be seen funny among a wider audience, among the 5-6 posters (2) who may make observations on humor on FFL, are there common fact
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, Files Section
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I created a FFL Index, Quotes and Key Issues folder, and some sub > > folders for the FFL Index, Quotes, etc. We could each move our stuff > > into that. And anyone can add files to those folders. > > I'm talking about the links section, not the files section. Look on the menu > for the links section. Ok. Thank looks good. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the Tom that created such a stir here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Braaa Does your penis have any hair on it yet? Nope. You may not get out much, but college and 20ish girls these days excpect tight grooming -- if not smooth. > Or is that a big vagina down there? I hope not. But I try to get a tight vagina down there as often as possible. H HEEE this is > satire. I love it! Hello F*ck face! Hee hee hee! Don't > INTERPRET my words as anger a**wipe. No, they are far too stupid to reflect anger. > HEE, HEE, HEE!!! > Have you killed your dog yet!! Hee HEEE, this is late > 12th centurary satire! You wish. The Canteberry Tales are a marvel. But I suspect that is a bit beyond your tastes and literary experience. > I'm so smart!!! > (Damn, and I thought I was done!) No, but your Jack Daniels seems about out. Maybe you out to run to the store to get some more. So you can be "All Jacked Up" all night. > removing some of my kleshas, Silly me. And when yoo said you were enlightened, I was foolish to think that already meant your kleshas were resolved. My bad. Oh, you just meant you were SCI-enlightened. That explains a lot. And I bet you got a big diploma too from MIU saying "enlightened citizen of the AoE." And you read that and said, "dab, gum, i am enlightened." > a**hole!! Satire is > WE!! yea, your Jack looks about empty partner. > Hey, I'm not angry. YOU project anger > into my benevolent posts, Nope. You simply relect your what you are. Which is getting pretty clear. > sh*t for brains. Better shit than emptiness I suppose. > Damn, I > love this witty satire. Great. You can try literacy next. Its a log windy road to cohernet discourse, but I have faith in you. > Watch out Swift, Voltaire. > Here I come!!! Yes, and roll over Beethoven, and tell Tschaikowsky the news. ... > No, no, turd brain is coming in first!!! Yes, Do tell. it must be rather interesting having your brain in your ass. Well, suck it up, and party on bro > --- braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Okay, would someone please clear this up. I > > thought that Tom Pall,who > > > Peter seemed to be arguing with, was Brahmn > > and not that turns out > > > not to be so. I just looked backwards through the > > posts and the only > > > post I could find that were from Tom Pall have his > > name showing. And > > > all he seemed to post was quotes from Deepak > > Chopra. > > > So who is Peter arguing with, who are you > > attributing the identity of > > > Tom to? > > > > Peter is arguing with old snakes rattling tin cans > > in the recesses of > > his mind. > > > > Tom Pall is arguing against most veraciously against > > those who hurl > > shit at him currently, based on things he said > > months or years ago. > > Though then Tom begins to argue with "the list" > > because he sees that > > most on it must be like the shit hulers. > > > > Tom T. is arguing with all whom he feels oppress > > him. Which is a > > growing list. > > > > Unc is arguing with Tom P and unamed AMT stalkers > > who ae out to get him. > > > > Jim is arguing, with flailing arms, with anyone who > > asks for > > clarification of assertions. > > > > (if you sense trend of paranoia on the list, you may > > not be far off) > > > > Shemp is arguing with anyone without a > > one-dimensional view of the word. > > > > Judy appears arguing with no one today. > > > > Rick is arguing with no one, ever. > > > > The germans are arguing with the french > > > > The south africans are arguing with the dutch > > > > And I don't like anybody very much. > > > > An my love winks, she does not bother, she knows too > > much to argue or > > to judge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ~--> > > Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for > > Healthy Drug-Free Living. > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > > > ~-> > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fairf
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the Tom that created such a stir here
Yes, Peter's entry into satire raises FFL to a new high. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hey Braaa Does your penis have any hair on it yet? > > > Or is that a big vagina down there? H HEEE this is > > > satire. I love it! Hello F*ck face! Hee hee hee! Don't > > > INTERPRET my words as anger a**wipe. HEE, HEE, HEE!!! > > > Have you killed your dog yet!! Hee HEEE, this is late > > > 12th centurary satire! I'm so smart!!! > > > (Damn, and I thought I was done!) Thank you for > > > removing some of my kleshas, a**hole!! Satire is > > > WE!! Hey, I'm not angry. YOU project anger > > > into my benevolent posts, sh*t for brains. Damn, I > > > love this witty satire. Watch out Swift, Voltaire. > > > Here I come!!! No, no, turd brain is coming in > > > first!!! > > > > I'm chortling because when Barry first discovered FFL > > and was touting it to us on alt.m.t, he went on and on > > about what a poor reflection alt.m.t was on the > > spiritual condition of its participants compared to FFL, > > where folks really walked the talk. > > > > But that was BEFORE you and I arrived to pollute it, Judy, since he > warned everyone that our arrival would make it all sour. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, Files Section
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for putting my name in the subject of this post. I can't read them > all these days and I probably would have missed it otherwise. > > Anybody can contribute to the index, because it just consists of folders and > links. Or am I wrong? Can you create new folders and links? Unless I am missing something, your FFL HTML Index file is not in a folder but in the "root" directory. And I can't edit / access / add to your file -- again unless I am missing something obvious. I created a FFL Index, Quotes and Key Issues folder, and some sub folders for the FFL Index, Quotes, etc. We could each move our stuff into that. And anyone can add files to those folders. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the Tom that created such a stir here
Well, I don't think Voltaire has much to fear from your entry into the field. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Braaa Does your penis have any hair on it yet? > Or is that a big vagina down there? H HEEE this is > satire. I love it! Hello F*ck face! Hee hee hee! Don't > INTERPRET my words as anger a**wipe. HEE, HEE, HEE!!! > Have you killed your dog yet!! Hee HEEE, this is late > 12th centurary satire! I'm so smart!!! > (Damn, and I thought I was done!) Thank you for > removing some of my kleshas, a**hole!! Satire is > WE!! Hey, I'm not angry. YOU project anger > into my benevolent posts, sh*t for brains. Damn, I > love this witty satire. Watch out Swift, Voltaire. > Here I come!!! No, no, turd brain is coming in > first!!! > > --- braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Okay, would someone please clear this up. I > > thought that Tom Pall,who > > > Peter seemed to be arguing with, was Brahmn > > and not that turns out > > > not to be so. I just looked backwards through the > > posts and the only > > > post I could find that were from Tom Pall have his > > name showing. And > > > all he seemed to post was quotes from Deepak > > Chopra. > > > So who is Peter arguing with, who are you > > attributing the identity of > > > Tom to? > > > > Peter is arguing with old snakes rattling tin cans > > in the recesses of > > his mind. > > > > Tom Pall is arguing against most veraciously against > > those who hurl > > shit at him currently, based on things he said > > months or years ago. > > Though then Tom begins to argue with "the list" > > because he sees that > > most on it must be like the shit hulers. > > > > Tom T. is arguing with all whom he feels oppress > > him. Which is a > > growing list. > > > > Unc is arguing with Tom P and unamed AMT stalkers > > who ae out to get him. > > > > Jim is arguing, with flailing arms, with anyone who > > asks for > > clarification of assertions. > > > > (if you sense trend of paranoia on the list, you may > > not be far off) > > > > Shemp is arguing with anyone without a > > one-dimensional view of the word. > > > > Judy appears arguing with no one today. > > > > Rick is arguing with no one, ever. > > > > The germans are arguing with the french > > > > The south africans are arguing with the dutch > > > > And I don't like anybody very much. > > > > An my love winks, she does not bother, she knows too > > much to argue or > > to judge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ~--> > > Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for > > Healthy Drug-Free Living. > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > > > ~-> > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Rick, Files Section
Rick I can't find your original post on this -- but you asked that I move the "Quotes from Brahman" and Cognitive Errors and Baseless Claims Forums (I combined these folders) to the FFL Index. I am happy to do what you think is best, but several points. 1) You are the only one with Edit Access to the FFL Index, since you are the creator. So I can't move teh folders or add materials. 2) The Cognitive Errors and Baseless Claims Forums are meant to be more than "key quotes". They are designed to allow some back and forth discussion and resolution of on such -- taking it off list to both: clear the main board of "you said" "no you said posts" and second, to help foster some sort of actual resolution of such issues. Thus it may jam up the FFL Index. Let me know how you want me to proceed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Seeing Rage
> > It would appear IMHO that we have a person on this list who has > > defined his behavior as Satire. THose on the recieving end feel and > > know it as sarcasm with a nasty bite, one might even call it rage. > > Asking the Fox to tell you the opinions of the chickens in the > chicken > > house seems inappropriate. I for one see nothing but sarcasm Well, maybe you could define what your views of satrire and sarcasm are Tom. I have done so. And my posts fall into the satire camp per my study of saire. Maybe you simple view satire differently. A semantic difference perhaps. Maybe we studied in different english departments. Share your views. Do you favor Horatian over Juvenalian satire? High burlesque over low burlesque? Who are your favorite satirists for the 18th, 19th and 20 the centuries. You favorite satires on TV? I would like to ask those > > who have been on the recieving end to speak up. Well, I think that is limited to you and Barry. He said he didn't want to pile on an egopissant. I am not if that is like a croissant. Anyway, he is wise tring not to pile on such. > My perception of the Fox's postings who concludes that all is > satire, is so full of bullshit, I must hold my nose to read it. The world is as we are, right tom. > We are what we find his comments deeply antagonistic and reflecting a great deal of fear. The world is as we are. You seem to be seeing rage and fear a lot these days. Things going ok? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the Tom that created such a stir here
A lot of old folkees on this list. :) And then there were the first 3-5 joan Baez alblums pre 1967. When it was guitar and voice only. And her voice was pristine in those years. Before she got an orchestrated. Jordie still knocks my socks off. And of course acoustic Dylan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > LOL, I thought no one else would get that obscure ref. Believe it or > not I was listening to that tune just two weeks ago when I put it on > the pod. > > As kind of an oblique KT reference, did you happen to see Lindsey > Buckingham on Soundstage recently? Excellent! He also appears on the > KT live video from a couple of years back. > > On Dec 18, 2005, at 7:29 PM, anonyff wrote: > > > It was a trade-mark song of the Kingston > > Trio from their Live at the Hungry I album. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the Tom that created such a stir here
They're rioting in Africa They're starving in Spain There's hurricanes in Florida And Texas needs rain the Whole world is festering with unhappy souls The French hate the Germans, the Germans hate the Poles Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch And I don't like Anybody very much. But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud For man's been endowed with a mushroom-shaped cloud And we know for certain that some lucky day Someone will set the spark off and we will all be blown away They're rioting in Africa There's strife in Iran What nature doesn't do to us Will be done by our fellow Man -- Sheldon Harnick @1958 You are probably right. I was a major fan from that same era too- used to listen to their LPs together. In time the source may have blurred a bit. I took a few liberties with the lyrics to fit my post. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was a major folk fan from late 50s-now and I never heard anyone > other than the Kingston Trio do The Merry Minuet. I just did a search > and came up with: > > http://www.ibiblio.org/folkindex/m07.htm > > which only shows the KT and Bud and Travis (remember them?) as having > recorded the song. Maybe the Limelighters also performed it but I > don't think they recorded it. It was a trade-mark song of the Kingston > Trio from their Live at the Hungry I album. > > I had the great good fortune (at a sad event) of seeing them in their > last performance at St. John's University in NYC (they did The Merry > Minuet). > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The germans are arguing with the french > > > > > > > > The south africans are arguing with the dutch > > > > > > > > And I don't like anybody very much. > > > > > > one of my all-time favorite KT songs! > > > > > > > I am glad you got that reference! i was afraid the joke was a bit too > > oblique. That I would get cranky hecklers in the peanut gallery > > yelling "see, he is a mean old angry fart who doesn't like anybody -- > > he even says so himself! Case closed!" -- when they are indeed missing > > IMO a funny reference. > > > > > > But I heard it from the Limelighters. I don't remember the Kinston > > Trio verson. > > > > (the next line, from dylan,is also one of my favorites.) > > > > My love winks, she ... > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the Tom that created such a stir here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The germans are arguing with the french > > > > The south africans are arguing with the dutch > > > > And I don't like anybody very much. > > one of my all-time favorite KT songs! > I am glad you got that reference! i was afraid the joke was a bit too oblique. That I would get cranky hecklers in the peanut gallery yelling "see, he is a mean old angry fart who doesn't like anybody -- he even says so himself! Case closed!" -- when they are indeed missing IMO a funny reference. But I heard it from the Limelighters. I don't remember the Kinston Trio verson. (the next line, from dylan,is also one of my favorites.) My love winks, she ... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Seeing Rage
Actually, I found Unc's campfire post amusing (in a good way) and insightful, well--- entertaining at least -- a late night rift -- him posing as if someone like "curley" from those billy crystal movies -- a tough weathered, few words, word and grip is lke iron, type cowboy. Saying "we all have our stories to tell. Some of them is simply spun yarns, fiction, but with some good moral to it. Some are what we have found out on the deep trails. If you don't like the stories, ride on hombre. We here don't care much what strangers think none-way." It just seemed to me he got a bit carried away. And then in his next several posts, aggessively and repeatedly broke all his campfire rules of the trail, of the campfire brotherhood. Which made me laugh hard. Not at him, but the irony. And part of my laughter was due to not being totally sure if he was even conscious of his contradictions. Or if it was a conscious choice, an exercise in aghori breaking of boundaries as if he were saying, "If you are so stupid as to have believed what I just told you, that campfie shit, then you do have shit for brains. wake up!" Both options were funny. Switching rapidly beween such views was even funnier. My response to his rift was on being new new young green gunslinger sitting at the campfire for the first time. Cautiously, a bit respectfully, a bit smirkingly, a bit increduously, listening to the old drunk cowboy go on and on about how his generation, his hombre compatriots really had it down. And then having a wry smile as the old cowpoke went out into town and broke every rule he so earnstly had just set down. So from that angle, in that role, I teased the old cowpoke a bit in my post. Quite gently given the huge chasm between his words and actions. I found it amusing.It made me laugh. Some may have laughed to. Some, like Jim, who did not see the connection to Barry's campfire rift -- were clueless. And in knee-jerk fachion, called upon old biased "lenes" to see me beating up ferosiously on Barry. When indeed, I was paying a bit of homage to the old cow fart. Hard to have missed the link to Barry's campfire rift, my couner rift was full of references to the campfire, campfire creed, etc. But thats the general problem on this list. People don't get the fact that some posters actually make references to past posts. If you don't get the references, you don't understand what is being satirized. Yet the references - for the most part -- are pretty in your face. Spairg has some subtle ones sometimes that make you laugh a bit later, when it clicks in. But mostly, they are pretty obvious. If your mind is a bit playful and open to a bit of irony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Recently he was attempting to bully TurquoiseB, as per this > > > exchange: > > > > > > And you can't see that the post he was responding > > > to was at least as bullying? And completely lacked > > > the overlay of humor, was just plain belittling and > > > nastily patronizing? > > > > I didn't see that. My take on TurquoiseB's posts during that > > exchange were that they were right on, as I expressed at the time. > > It's not the content, it's the tone. Plus, as I said, > the hypocrisy. That was what braaahman was primarily > picking up on. > > On the other hand, I did find a posting by T-B to you recently to > be > > really insulting, and mentioned it at the time. But in this case, > no. > > > > > And was grossly hypocritical to boot? > > > > > > Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. You > > > picked a bad example, Jim. He was right on this one. > > > > > > > TurquoiseB: > > > > > Do you really *need* the affirmation of a 'guru,' to > > > > > justify your belief in something? Or science? > > > > > > > > Fox (akasha108, braaamaan): > > > > Ditto. > > > > > > > > And you got my story all wrong. I think maybe you got wax in > your > > > > ears, old-timer. Anyway, its my story, misunderstnd it all you > > want, > > > > but don't sit and try to re-write my story to suit you.! Got it > > > > partner! Else we and de boys will show you something you will > > give a > > > > flying fuck about. > > > > > > > > TurquoiseB: > > > > > Whatever happened to trusting in one's own experience? > > > > > > > > Fox (akasha108, braaamaan): > > > > I don't know. Maybe your infallable intuition can help us find > > out? > > > > Dig it out of your saddle bags, gabby. > > > > > > > > TurquoiseB: > > > > > That's what all the saints you revere did. Learn from > > > > > their example. > > > > > > > > Fox (akasha108, braaamaan): > > > > But you aren't sellng ay advice are you? So you are just > talking > > to > > > > yourself, making a mental note for something for YOU to follow > > > right? > > > > Else you would be breaking the old-timers campfire credo. And > if > > you > > > > do that,there
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the Tom that created such a stir here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Okay, would someone please clear this up. I thought that Tom Pall,who > Peter seemed to be arguing with, was Brahmn and not that turns out > not to be so. I just looked backwards through the posts and the only > post I could find that were from Tom Pall have his name showing. And > all he seemed to post was quotes from Deepak Chopra. > So who is Peter arguing with, who are you attributing the identity of > Tom to? Peter is arguing with old snakes rattling tin cans in the recesses of his mind. Tom Pall is arguing against most veraciously against those who hurl shit at him currently, based on things he said months or years ago. Though then Tom begins to argue with "the list" because he sees that most on it must be like the shit hulers. Tom T. is arguing with all whom he feels oppress him. Which is a growing list. Unc is arguing with Tom P and unamed AMT stalkers who ae out to get him. Jim is arguing, with flailing arms, with anyone who asks for clarification of assertions. (if you sense trend of paranoia on the list, you may not be far off) Shemp is arguing with anyone without a one-dimensional view of the word. Judy appears arguing with no one today. Rick is arguing with no one, ever. The germans are arguing with the french The south africans are arguing with the dutch And I don't like anybody very much. An my love winks, she does not bother, she knows too much to argue or to judge. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brahaman Tom psyche unfolding
Tom can't seem to keep all the people he KNOWS are oppressing him straight. Often the next stage is towards simplicity: "EVERYONE is oppressing me, and out to get me.". --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Geez luize Tom, feeling heavy-handed and grouchy today? > I obviously cannot follow who is who, I thought Braaahman was Tom > Pall and I'm as entitled as anyone to try a little humor here in what > is otherwise an extremely tedious not to mention odious not to mention > ridiculous series of "discussions" > > .--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Anonyff posts: > > Peter and Tom, > > IF you can keep this going another few rounds, you can be the Barry > > and Judy of the gay couples! > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Tom T: > > Nice try at more sarcasm Anon. If you look carefully at the posters > > this gig is between Peter and Braaahmaan and Peter. Nice > > mischaracteration of the facts to slam and discredit. Cool use of > > spritual facism. Tom T > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brahaman Tom psyche unfolding
Peter, you asked me (again) to reply to your pointing out these examples (which I did ask for, and I thank you for your response.) I thought I did respond -- saying you see anger in words -- in a person you don't know and know nothing about -- when all I can report that the subjective experience and motivation for the post had no anger involved. Its like your analogy: Its raining outside, I have ben walking for hours in the rain and am dranched, and you say I am as dry as can be. How can one continue to carry on such a convo. Well, I will try. Please bear with me and thoughtful consider my points without any overlays as to where I am coming from. Listen first, then later draw conclusions. First, it appears that you agree that your criticism was a bit excessive. "...replete with rage and hostility". PS: "Yeah, '...replete with rage and hostility' is a bit of rhetorical excess (satire?). Second, I have made clear distincions between satire -- listing four positive characteristics I find in it -- and sarcasm. To me they ae disticnt spaces. You may be coming towards a similar view, but currently you appear to be mixing the two up a bit in your criticisms. I have addressed the point of the satire in a number of posts. Have you read them? My point was, that I find some humor in the irony (from my POV) of someone saying Brahman is seeing through their eyes and writing through their fingers -- and then soon thereafter unloads on some group of posters telling them to "walk the long or short plank and suck eggs." I laughed hard at that. That I laughed is what it is. Call my sense of humor different than yours, call it warped, call it whatever. Thats a basis for discussion. But its not that one has too much control over what they find funny. With education, with experieice, hopefully it gets refined. But I saw 10 seconds of 3 stooges today and it still made me chuckle, just like whn I was 8 years old. My motive for creating the following post was a bit of an homage. I had created a folder "Brahman" speaks -- to capture such great quotes as they popped up. Rick asked me to "bury" that in the Index file. Probably a good idea organizationally. But I hated to see that great quote "die" -- be buried. And for several days, I did have this image of that quote above an imagined elaborate, much gold and all, alter. It was a quite funny image to me. No anger, some things are just funny because of the irony they uncover. Its like asking what are/were Voltaire, Swift, Mark Twain, John Stewart (The Daily Show), Mad TV, SNL, the Onion all angry about. is like a nonsensical question. While anger can play a part in satire, often it does not. It is often a light to highlight irony, in a gentle way. Or it can be a bit harsh at times - but still gentler than direct confrontation. So, in anticipation of deep sixing the "Brahman Talks" folder, a "rift" - like a guitar rift, began to play in my head. I wrote it down. I laughed. I posted it. I hoped others might laugh. It was not sarcastic (see other posts on sarcasm) it was not intended to mean-spirited. It simply was a quick rift uncovering some irony and paradox -- that brought a chuckle. Tome that is a good thing. It may not be great satire. Not much here is. But there are many stabs in the dark at it, by at least several writers, and I enjoy making such attempts to similtaneously spotlight paradox while drawing a laugh. Its part of my story telling style -- to use unc's campfire analogy. And if you don't care for it, move on to the next post. Or as Barry would tell you to do, i wouldn't, "go take a flying fuck" (which sounds fun actually) I hope this satisfies your request for a serious response. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The following is another post that is replete with > rage and hostility. > > --- braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I am inspired by your recent posts Tom. To know that > > it is BRAHMAN -- > > the totality of wholenss of all creation, > > non-creation and ALL That > > which is neither -- seeing through Tom's eyes, and > > that BRAHAMAN who > > is typing these "*your*" posts on FFL is so > > mystically exalting, all > > the hairs on my body are standing on end. > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/81908 > > The writer looking out through these eyes is that > > Brahman. > > > > On my alter, both internal and external, with all > > gratitude and > > offerings to Saraswati -- Goddess of Knowledge, to > > Laksmi -- Godess of > > structure that brings Wholenss, to Tara, Swami > > Brahmananda Saraswati, > > to the sweet Jesus the Christ, to Yogananda, to > > Ananda Moy
