[FairfieldLife] Re: Lack of Awareness of the Unbounded
"Works in progress," "works of art." True that. I will put this on my reading list and one day I will get back to you. Thanks jr_esq. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emly, You make it sound like being human is a disease. :) I believe MMY was saying that humans are works in progress, if not, works of art. Please, read SOBAL and his commentary to the Gita. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hmmm.there sure have been a lot of angry, attached TM'ers on this forum! I don't believe one can make a blanket statement like this, nor do I believe that meditation *dissolves* hidden anger. Honest introspection and self-accountability are always required when looking for hidden anger. If meditation helps with that, great. There are no miracle cures to being human. Emotions are natural. Just my opinion Thanks for your perspective. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, I can see through my friends who are not TMers that they keep their anger, likes and dislikes hidden or under the surface of their conscious lives. I believe it contributes to stress and health problems, and possibly marriage issues. IOW, TM helps the person be unattached to personal issues. Meditation dissolves away hidden anger and attachments. As such, the person acts naturally and is unburdened by the stress of difficult relationships and experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I hear you. I wasn't presenting the two as comparable in any way. Would you care to expand on what you mean by "behavioral issues" being *eliminated* through TM? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, DBT appears to be methodical and clinical in its approach. But TM, as explained by MMY in SOBAL is more natural in its application. TM is easy and does not need concentration or effort in eliminating stress and behavioral issues. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_behavior_therapy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_behavior_therapy I participated in a parent/teen group who were taught this. We weren't there to address suicide or personality disorders, just teenager-hood. It's comprehensive in its approach and was good to learn and practice in group format. I believe they should teach these skills in schools. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, What is DBT and can you post videos that explain this method? Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lack of Awareness of the Unbounded
Hmmm.there sure have been a lot of angry, attached TM'ers on this forum! I don't believe one can make a blanket statement like this, nor do I believe that meditation *dissolves* hidden anger. Honest introspection and self-accountability are always required when looking for hidden anger. If meditation helps with that, great. There are no miracle cures to being human. Emotions are natural. Just my opinion Thanks for your perspective. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, I can see through my friends who are not TMers that they keep their anger, likes and dislikes hidden or under the surface of their conscious lives. I believe it contributes to stress and health problems, and possibly marriage issues. IOW, TM helps the person be unattached to personal issues. Meditation dissolves away hidden anger and attachments. As such, the person acts naturally and is unburdened by the stress of difficult relationships and experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I hear you. I wasn't presenting the two as comparable in any way. Would you care to expand on what you mean by "behavioral issues" being *eliminated* through TM? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, DBT appears to be methodical and clinical in its approach. But TM, as explained by MMY in SOBAL is more natural in its application. TM is easy and does not need concentration or effort in eliminating stress and behavioral issues. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_behavior_therapy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_behavior_therapy I participated in a parent/teen group who were taught this. We weren't there to address suicide or personality disorders, just teenager-hood. It's comprehensive in its approach and was good to learn and practice in group format. I believe they should teach these skills in schools. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, What is DBT and can you post videos that explain this method? Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Neanderthals
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/science/neanderthals-cave-paintings-europe.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/science/neanderthals-cave-paintings-europe.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lack of Awareness of the Unbounded
I hear you. I wasn't presenting the two as comparable in any way. Would you care to expand on what you mean by "behavioral issues" being *eliminated* through TM? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, DBT appears to be methodical and clinical in its approach. But TM, as explained by MMY in SOBAL is more natural in its application. TM is easy and does not need concentration or effort in eliminating stress and behavioral issues. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_behavior_therapy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_behavior_therapy I participated in a parent/teen group who were taught this. We weren't there to address suicide or personality disorders, just teenager-hood. It's comprehensive in its approach and was good to learn and practice in group format. I believe they should teach these skills in schools. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, What is DBT and can you post videos that explain this method? Thanks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lack of Awareness of the Unbounded
"Balanced, nuanced, and realistic." Nice. Yes, to each his own. I feel the need at times to counter what comes across to me as absolutism. Clearly MMY was (or is, for those who believe this way) a person with extraordinary charisma and energy and presence and vision and love, too. The movement and practice and knowledge he successfully introduced, translated, and interpreted for, and marketed to, the Western masses is astounding. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On Feb 19, 2018, at 6:35 PM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: What I love about you is your positive and friendly and non-judgmental attitude! Lol Tell me, what are you trying to accomplish in doing TM? Enlightenment? What do you think that is going to get you? What are you expecting to feel like? What are you hoping for? I'm guessing that you want what all human beings want, regardless of how they try to get there. It's alright, I realize that this is a forum where TM and MMY are elevated to a place of unique and radiant brilliance such that no other tradition or person in the history of mankind could even begin to measure up. For some that’s obviously still true, but most others over the years have reached a much more balanced, nuanced and realistic view of MMY. Those who feel the need to still carry on with that kind of hero-worship I just find sad, not to mention immature and groveling. Not that there’s anything wrong with that of course... To my way of thinking and perceivingmany others, and I mean many, have had similar insights - MMY rehashed wisdom that has been around for centuries. His insights aren't novel. Doesn't mean he isn't brilliant and all that he was experienced as when he was alive. For you to summarily dismiss the entire body of wisdom around the word "detachment" as false is an incredible statement. Cracks me up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : thank you, this has got to be the most important quote of Maharishi's that we have to remind people of, false ideas about Yoga and detachment are so ingrained in people not just in the west but most of all in India, including some individuals who are acting in Maharishi's name who repeat that tired out false attitude of detachment junk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lack of Awareness of the Unbounded
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_behavior_therapy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_behavior_therapy I participated in a parent/teen group who were taught this. We weren't there to address suicide or personality disorders, just teenager-hood. It's comprehensive in its approach and was good to learn and practice in group format. I believe they should teach these skills in schools. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, What is DBT and can you post videos that explain this method? Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lack of Awareness of the Unbounded
I think he's completely relevant as a teacher. However, he is not the only teacher or teaching that is relevant (to today's society, for example—and I speak only to the U.S.). Exploring different angles on a similar theme (i.e. attachment), finding the meditation technique that best works for one at the place they're at, being part of a community —these are important things. I am completely in favor of bringing meditation to schools. Did you see this? http://www.newsweek.com/parent-concern-florida-school-rifle-fundraiser-810356 http://www.newsweek.com/parent-concern-florida-school-rifle-fundraiser-810356 I cannot go on record as saying that I would only support TM in schools. Whatever practice they learn, even if it were a half hour of just dialectical behavior therapy (DBT) techniques would be awesome. I could have totally benefitted from such a thing when I was in school and it could have changed the trajectory of my entire life—in a positive way. Or notha. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Is interesting in this to chart how a lexicon of critique employed by Maharishi would migrate through the long decades towards making what is mystically abstract more concrete. Consciousness and Being, relative and Absolute, bound and Unbounded -ness, attachment, detached, un-attachment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What I love about you is your positive and friendly and non-judgmental attitude! Tell me, what are you trying to accomplish in doing TM? Enlightenment? What do you think that is going to get you? What are you expecting to feel like? What are you hoping for? I'm guessing that you want what all human beings want, regardless of how they try to get there. It's alright, I realize that this is a forum where TM and MMY are elevated to a place of unique and radiant brilliance such that no other tradition or person in the history of mankind could even begin to measure up. To my way of thinking and perceivingmany others, and I mean many, have had similar insights - MMY rehashed wisdom that has been around for centuries. His insights aren't novel. Doesn't mean he isn't brilliant and all that he was experienced as when he was alive. For you to summarily dismiss the entire body of wisdom around the word "detachment" as false is an incredible statement. Cracks me up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : thank you, this has got to be the most important quote of Maharishi's that we have to remind people of, false ideas about Yoga and detachment are so ingrained in people not just in the west but most of all in India, including some individuals who are acting in Maharishi's name who repeat that tired out false attitude of detachment junk . Question: "I understand that in the third state of consciousness [waking] we are bound by the effects of our actions and our material possessions. My question is: do material possessions, material ownership, wealth, inhibit our" MAHARISHI: "Let me remark at this point, at this stage of your question: We are not bound by material possessions EVER. We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded. As long as we are not aware of the Unbounded, we are bound by EVERYTHING. We are not bound by our material possessions. Material possessions don't bind us. What they do is liberate us from the pangs of unfulfilled desires. Our desire is to get this and this and this, and then if we don't get, we feel miserable. Whatever we have, that is a solace to us in that misery. Material possessions are not a means of bondage. If anything they are a source of solace in our weakness. They do not bind us. If anything, they are a source of solace, contentment, happiness, joy, peace. Possessions will always be a means of joyfulness. It is the non-possessions that bind us in the craving to get them. Do you see the point? It is something that we don't possess, that non-possession binds us in the craving to possess it. Possessions are not a bondage. They are a means of joy, happiness. What is bondage? Lack of awareness of the Unbounded. That means: ignorance, ignorance of our unbounded nature, ignorance that the Self within is unbounded, eternal, infinite, absolute, bliss. Lack of knowledge about this is ignorance, and this ignorance is a bondage to us. Material possessions are never a bondage. They are a means of happiness." ---Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Aug. 1970, Humboldt State University, Arcata, CA USA
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lack of Awareness of the Unbounded
What I love about you is your positive and friendly and non-judgmental attitude! Tell me, what are you trying to accomplish in doing TM? Enlightenment? What do you think that is going to get you? What are you expecting to feel like? What are you hoping for? I'm guessing that you want what all human beings want, regardless of how they try to get there. It's alright, I realize that this is a forum where TM and MMY are elevated to a place of unique and radiant brilliance such that no other tradition or person in the history of mankind could even begin to measure up. To my way of thinking and perceivingmany others, and I mean many, have had similar insights - MMY rehashed wisdom that has been around for centuries. His insights aren't novel. Doesn't mean he isn't brilliant and all that he was experienced as when he was alive. For you to summarily dismiss the entire body of wisdom around the word "detachment" as false is an incredible statement. Cracks me up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : thank you, this has got to be the most important quote of Maharishi's that we have to remind people of, false ideas about Yoga and detachment are so ingrained in people not just in the west but most of all in India, including some individuals who are acting in Maharishi's name who repeat that tired out false attitude of detachment junk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lack of Awareness of the Unbounded
The trick is not to get too attached to them (material possessions.) How would you react if somehow you lost it all tomorrow? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Question: "I understand that in the third state of consciousness [waking] we are bound by the effects of our actions and our material possessions. My question is: do material possessions, material ownership, wealth, inhibit our" MAHARISHI: "Let me remark at this point, at this stage of your question: We are not bound by material possessions EVER. We are bound by the non-awareness of the Unbounded. As long as we are not aware of the Unbounded, we are bound by EVERYTHING. We are not bound by our material possessions. Material possessions don't bind us. What they do is liberate us from the pangs of unfulfilled desires. Our desire is to get this and this and this, and then if we don't get, we feel miserable. Whatever we have, that is a solace to us in that misery. Material possessions are not a means of bondage. If anything they are a source of solace in our weakness. They do not bind us. If anything, they are a source of solace, contentment, happiness, joy, peace. Possessions will always be a means of joyfulness. It is the non-possessions that bind us in the craving to get them. Do you see the point? It is something that we don't possess, that non-possession binds us in the craving to possess it. Possessions are not a bondage. They are a means of joy, happiness. What is bondage? Lack of awareness of the Unbounded. That means: ignorance, ignorance of our unbounded nature, ignorance that the Self within is unbounded, eternal, infinite, absolute, bliss. Lack of knowledge about this is ignorance, and this ignorance is a bondage to us. Material possessions are never a bondage. They are a means of happiness." ---Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Aug. 1970, Humboldt State University, Arcata, CA USA
[FairfieldLife] Unaccompanied
Powerful with presence. https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/pages/browse/book.asp?bg=%7BCF124287-3066-46E5-B6A1-5751E2717475%7D https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/pages/browse/book.asp?bg=%7BCF124287-3066-46E5-B6A1-5751E2717475%7D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Big Bang may be one of many
Thanks. So, you define God as Being and consider Being necessary to understanding the universe (is bliss) and therefore, God is necessary to the universe. It seems to me that based on the idea that "God's spirit entered the world and made it whole," there is no real separation between God/Universe. Except in a relative world, for the purposes of teaching different concepts that are saying the same thing, in essence. That's where I'm at these days. Beautiful graphic in that article—the breath of life. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, The point I was making is that, from a materialistic or scientific point of view, it would appear as Stephen Hawking states, that God may not appear in the universe for humans to see the beginning of the universe. He believes that God is not needed in the creation, and that the universe is somewhat automatic. But IMO this thinking is somewhat erroneous. These scientists need a basic course in metaphysics 101. The Greek philosophers, like Aristotle, and the Vedic teachings from MMY's parampara consider the necessity of recognizing the concept of Being to understand the origins of life and the universe. The experience and understanding of Being is necessary know that Bliss can be experienced in this universe here and now. In fact one can say that everything in the universe is made of bliss. In essence, this point is being taught by Christianity today--that God's spirit entered the world and made it whole. This concept may be the answer to understanding the existence of the higher dimensions or hyperspace in the current super string theories by scientists like Micheo Kaku. The members can discuss these points if there is interest in them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Can you elaborate on your question? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This is what Roger Penrose is theorizing now too. In effect, the universe may be eternal. Can we ask, when will God or heaven enter in creation? https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5d4ade9d-b0e7-34c6-a507-068c0bb98585/ss_the-big-bang-may-have-been.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5d4ade9d-b0e7-34c6-a507-068c0bb98585/ss_the-big-bang-may-have-been.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Big Bang may be one of many
Can you elaborate on your question? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This is what Roger Penrose is theorizing now too. In effect, the universe may be eternal. Can we ask, when will God or heaven enter in creation? https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5d4ade9d-b0e7-34c6-a507-068c0bb98585/ss_the-big-bang-may-have-been.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5d4ade9d-b0e7-34c6-a507-068c0bb98585/ss_the-big-bang-may-have-been.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: sumeian mathematics
*...certainly his descendants! (is what I mean). Have a good day! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes, I see what you're saying. From a religious/biblical scholar's perspective, I was wrong. I was talking outside the bounds of religion though and trying to make the point that there were no clear cut lines between Arab people and Jewish people (genetically, as I noted). If Ishmael was an Old Testament guy, certainly his ancestors had plenty of time to get around. Reality bites (and fornicates too). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://www.faithdefenders.com/Articles/World-Religions/Are-the-Arabs-the-Descendants-of-Ishmael.aspx http://www.faithdefenders.com/Articles/World-Religions/Are-the-Arabs-the-Descendants-of-Ishmael.aspx 9. The Abrahamic Covenant was given only to Isaac and to his descendants. Ishmael and the other sons of Abraham were explicitly excluded by God from having any part of the covenant made with Abraham. (Gen. 18:18-21) 10.Therefore the descendants of Ishmael and the other sons of Abraham do not have any claim to the land of Israel because they are not included in the covenant God made with Abraham. Only the Jews have any claim to the land of Israel. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You have got to be kidding! Are you trying to say that Jewish people aren't descendants of Ishmael? Do you realize that Jewish and Arab folk come from the same DNA, the same part of the world, and are separated only by their religion? http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2000/10/jews-and-arabs-share-recent-ancestry http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2000/10/jews-and-arabs-share-recent-ancestry You do realize how ridiculous this is, don't you? I guess you don't! And this is why you bolded the word "Arab"?
[FairfieldLife] Re: sumeian mathematics
Yes, I see what you're saying. From a religious/biblical scholar's perspective, I was wrong. I was talking outside the bounds of religion though and trying to make the point that there were no clear cut lines between Arab people and Jewish people (genetically, as I noted). If Ishmael was an Old Testament guy, certainly his ancestors had plenty of time to get around. Reality bites (and fornicates too). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://www.faithdefenders.com/Articles/World-Religions/Are-the-Arabs-the-Descendants-of-Ishmael.aspx http://www.faithdefenders.com/Articles/World-Religions/Are-the-Arabs-the-Descendants-of-Ishmael.aspx 9. The Abrahamic Covenant was given only to Isaac and to his descendants. Ishmael and the other sons of Abraham were explicitly excluded by God from having any part of the covenant made with Abraham. (Gen. 18:18-21) 10.Therefore the descendants of Ishmael and the other sons of Abraham do not have any claim to the land of Israel because they are not included in the covenant God made with Abraham. Only the Jews have any claim to the land of Israel. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You have got to be kidding! Are you trying to say that Jewish people aren't descendants of Ishmael? Do you realize that Jewish and Arab folk come from the same DNA, the same part of the world, and are separated only by their religion? http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2000/10/jews-and-arabs-share-recent-ancestry http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2000/10/jews-and-arabs-share-recent-ancestry You do realize how ridiculous this is, don't you? I guess you don't! And this is why you bolded the word "Arab"?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Neuroscientist Explores the "Sanskrit Effect"
This is something that much research already done has "proven;" it is not a new discovery. The benefits are not unique to, or dependent on, or limited to recitation of "Sanskrit." "If so, this raises the possibility that verbal memory “exercising‘ or training might help elderly people at risk of mild cognitive impairment retard or, even more radically, prevent its onset." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Importance of Reading, Chanting, or Listening to Sanskrit.. http://vedicreserve.mum.edu/ http://vedicreserve.mum.edu/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/a-neuroscientist-explores-the-sanskrit-effect/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/a-neuroscientist-explores-the-sanskrit-effect/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/a-neuroscientist-explores-the-sanskrit-effect/ India's Vedic Sanskrit pandits train for years to orally memorize and exactly recite 3,000-year old oral texts ranging from 40,000 to over 100,000 words. We wanted to find out how such intense verbal memory training affects the physical structure of their brains. Through the India-Trento Partnership for Advanced Research (ITPAR), we recruited professional Vedic pandits from several government-sponsored schools in the Delhi region; then we used structural magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) at India’s National Brain Research Center to scan the brains of pandits and ...
[FairfieldLife] Re: sumeian mathematics
You have got to be kidding! Are you trying to say that Jewish people aren't descendants of Ishmael? Do you realize that Jewish and Arab folk come from the same DNA, the same part of the world, and are separated only by their religion? http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2000/10/jews-and-arabs-share-recent-ancestry http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2000/10/jews-and-arabs-share-recent-ancestry You do realize how ridiculous this is, don't you? I guess you don't! And this is why you bolded the word "Arab"? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Anyhow, as descendants of Ishmael (jishma'el: God has heard?), Arabs may not be very scientifically minded... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_Nobel_laureates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_Nobel_laureates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates
[FairfieldLife] Re: sumeian mathematics
As if algebra was invented by one person. lol ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : algebra is not likely invented by some relatively recent in terms of world history arab person that would just be the recent conduit of those concepts to eurpeans emerging out of kind of age of extreme ignorance http://www.storyofmathematics.com/sumerian.html http://www.storyofmathematics.com/sumerian.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Americans who practice yoga contribute to
Why are you bolding the word "Arab?" The guy looks to be pretty brilliant and built on what had come before, improved on it, wrote it all down it became a working "language" across all cultures. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Somehow it feels very odd to me than an Arab would have invented algebra! FWIW, from Wikipedia: Regarding al-Khwārizmī's religion, Toomer writes: Another epithet given to him by al-Ṭabarī, "al-Majūsī," would seem to indicate that he was an adherent of the old Zoroastrian religion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism. This would still have been possible at that time for a man of Iranian origin, but the pious preface to al-Khwārizmī's Algebrashows that he was an orthodox Muslim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim, so al-Ṭabarī's epithet could mean no more than that his forebears, and perhaps he in his youth, had been Zoroastrians.[22] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi#cite_note-toomer-24 If that's true, al-Khwaarizmii would have been closer to Vedic philosophy than to Islaam, now wouldn't he?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi
[FairfieldLife] Re: The World may be doomed because of the US
Of course it behooves one to remember that the U.S. really wasn't part of the known world by the authors of the Old Testament. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, Trump may be exempted from accusation since he has many prominent American evangelists, Franklin Graham included, who are supporting the president. But I picked a video from UTube accusing Erdogan as the anti-Christ, as shown below: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=cioccolanti%2c+anti-christ+and+erdogan&&view=detail&mid=43C9FA2119572DEF24B643C9FA2119572DEF24B6&&FORM=VDRVRV https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=cioccolanti%2c+anti-christ+and+erdogan&&view=detail&mid=43C9FA2119572DEF24B643C9FA2119572DEF24B6&&FORM=VDRVRV ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Oh please! I'll bet you a whole lot more people are calling T.Rump the anti-christ. That picture of T.Rump reaching to "shake" Erdogan's hand is positively strange. That is simply *not* how a handshake is done. It's more like he's holding it out for a hand slap. Erdogan is looking at the hand with reluctance to touch it, as have so many other world leaders. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Justice system, says Turkey's president. But some US evangelists are saying that Erdogan may be the Anti-christ predicted in the Bible. https://www.yahoo.com/news/world-doomed-because-u-justice-175440471.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/world-doomed-because-u-justice-175440471.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: The World may be doomed because of the US
Oh please! I'll bet you a whole lot more people are calling T.Rump the anti-christ. That picture of T.Rump reaching to "shake" Erdogan's hand is positively strange. That is simply *not* how a handshake is done. It's more like he's holding it out for a hand slap. Erdogan is looking at the hand with reluctance to touch it, as have so many other world leaders. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Justice system, says Turkey's president. But some US evangelists are saying that Erdogan may be the Anti-christ predicted in the Bible. https://www.yahoo.com/news/world-doomed-because-u-justice-175440471.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/world-doomed-because-u-justice-175440471.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: How Our Community Works
"As Maharishi so often emphasized, we can never judge another person’s level of consciousness, and there’s a chance that the kind and gentle Iowan who is fixing our dishwasher or doing our accounting is fully enlightened, or will be next week. So let’s make a point of treating every Jeffersonian and every Iowan as our very good friend." OR Love thy neighbor...:) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:32 PM, Raja John Hagelin mailto:development@...> wrote: February 26, 2014 Dear Sidhas and Meditators of Fairfield, Maharishi Vedic City, and Jefferson County, Over the last couple of years we have been making some structural changes and, we hope, significant improvements in how our Super-Radiance community functions. It is all for the purpose of giving you a better experience of living here and doing program in our flying halls—deeper programs, more fun, more friendliness, better service, more transparency, inclusiveness, due process, and community spirit. I’d like to lay out for you how our Super-Radiance community is organized these days. I’ve also included a couple of organizational charts below so you can see how everything fits together. The Invincible America Assembly The Invincible America Assembly consists of every Sidha who has a dome badge and attends group program. You don’t need to be rounding to be on the Invincible America Assembly—although rounding is an extraordinary experience in our special dome atmosphere. The Invincible America Solutions Group The Invincible America Solutions Group, which we established in 2011, is the umbrella committee which brings together all the committees and groups involved in supporting our Super-Radiance community and the Invincible America Assembly. As Raja, I preside at its meetings, and Dr. Dennis Rowe, our National Director of Education, is its chair. Dr. Doug Birx, our treasured TM-Sidhi® Program Administrator, is always present. The Solutions Group grew out of our realization that although there were a number of committees active, to provide better levels of service and faster expansion, we needed to have one coordinating body. The organization chart below shows all the groups that make it up. (Click on the chart to view it full-size.) http://communications.tm.org/2014/images/org-chart-v30-01-960w.jpg http://communications.tm.org/2014/images/org-chart-v30-01-960w.jpg http://communications.tm.org/2014/images/org-chart-v30-01-960w.jpg We warmly welcome any and all questions and suggestions you may have for the Solutions Group. We are actively looking for ways to improve the experience of living in this community and doing group program here. Simply send us an email at solutions@... mailto:solutions@ The Solutions Group has reviewed a number of important policies related, for example, to getting a dome badge and administering the Settle Grant. As a consequence, you have been telling us that these functions are becoming easier and simpler for you. Members of the Solutions Group Raja John Hagelin Dr. Dennis Rowe, Maharishi Foundation Director of Education Julie Anne, Settle Foundation Grants Administrator Dr. Doug Birx, TM-Sidhi Program Administrator Richard Hobbs, Marketing Advisor to Raja Hagelin; Chair, Global Marketing Group Bryan Lee, Director of Super-Radiance Bob Markowitz, Chair, Ideal Community Group; Maharishi Foundation Executive Regional Director Carol Markowitz, Maharishi Foundation Executive Regional Director Brad Onasch, Co-Director, Invincible America Department Sherri Shields, Co-Director, Invincible America Department The Course Office Ideal Community Group This team exists solely for the purpose of expanding the numbers in our flying halls and group meditation halls, by nurturing and expanding our community. It works in three ways: Contacting Sidhas and Meditators around the nation and inspiring them to move to Jefferson County; Nurturing our community in many ways, as shown on the organizational chart. Examples are the Welcome Committee, the Tours Team, and the Social Activities Group; and Suggesting improvements to policies and procedures, to make things easier for you. One of their recent successes has been the establishment of the popular Downtown Flying Hall. Another has been their very well-attended garden parties on summer evenings outside the Ladies’ Dome, which allow community members to get to know each other, make connections, and generally just have a good time. The organizational chart below shows the structure of the Ideal Community Group and its subgroups. (Click on the chart to view it full-size.) http://communications.tm.org/2014/images/org-chart-v30-01-ICG-subset-960w.jpg http://communications.tm.org/2014/images/org-chart-v30-01-ICG-subset-960w.jpg Members of the Ideal Community Group Board Chair Bob Markowitz 641-919-7045 bmarkowitz@... mailto:bmarkowi
[FairfieldLife] Re: [humour] Nosty predicted Trump's presidency?
Hey, this is pretty darn believably funny. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Nosty prolly wouldn't have mentioned Trump if he hadn't become POTUS? https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisrodley/dont-freak-out-but-nostradamus-predicted-donald-1j3p8?utm_term=.fjwJLVLqAW#.jaMxMXM861 https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisrodley/dont-freak-out-but-nostradamus-predicted-donald-1j3p8?utm_term=.fjwJLVLqAW#.jaMxMXM861 Scroll down a lot to see the four quatrains containing the French word for trumpet!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Europe's most anti-semitic city??
That's funny. Your main concern is the attitude of Muslims towards TM? Better look for some videos showing Muslims stoning gatherings of TM meditators. lol ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : My main concern here is, what is the attitude of the most religious Muslims towards TM. I gather Sweden and Germany are the most active countries in Europe as to TM?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Europe's most anti-semitic city??
Please use your powers of discernment to try and recognize fakery, or at least do a few google searches to find out before you swallow random youtube videos whole. This is phony! I realized straight away that it was the evangelical Christians who were inciting violence. Regardless, in the bigger picture, do you really think that religion is a good basis for violence? Attitudes of fear and hate breed fear and hate—case in point, the last U.S. presidential campaign. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christandpopculture/2013/05/muslims-stoning-christians-in-michigan-not-quite-updated/ http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christandpopculture/2013/05/muslims-stoning-christians-in-michigan-not-quite-updated/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : OMG: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOL_ommK3qg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOL_ommK3qg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Europe's most anti-semitic city??
I hate to break it to you but Malmo is a coastal city and multicultural. Multicultural cities are the best! Been to New York? Istanbul? Don't you think its funny that you lump all Muslims together? Is this how Lutherans are? Are you familiar with current immigration policy? Here are a few interesting demographic statistics, courtesy of Wikipedia. Malmö is a young city, with almost half of the population under the age of 35 (48%).[23] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6#cite_note-23 Circa 43% of the population have a foreign background; 31% were born abroad and another 11% were Swedish-born, with foreign-born parents.[27] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6#cite_note-BB2015-27 The Middle East, Horn of Africa, former Yugoslavia and Denmark are the main sources of immigration.[28] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6#cite_note-28[29] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6#cite_note-malmo.se-29 In 2011, 174 countries and about 150 languages were represented in Malmö.[34] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6#cite_note-34 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : When asked what proportion of the country's population was Muslim, the average guess was 17 percent. In reality, around 460,000 Muslims live in Sweden, or 4.6 percent of the total population. --- In the city of Malmö it's estimated to be some 20 percent... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_the_European_Union_by_Muslim_population#tablemalmo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_the_European_Union_by_Muslim_population#tablemalmo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Europe's most anti-semitic city??
First, it's not as bad as Tucker Carlson would have one believe. https://www.thelocal.se/20161214/swedes-wildly-overestimate-muslim-population-survey https://www.thelocal.se/20161214/swedes-wildly-overestimate-muslim-population-survey Tucker Carlson is not someone who reports fact, by the way. He's a drama king and sensationalist who puts out frothy, biased, opinion and packages it as a news show. Google the guy; check out what Britain thinks of him. Please read this for a response to the hysterical claims made in a February 2017 interview which covered much of the same kind of content—"Muslims are taking over Sweden and are responsible for heinous crimes." Read carefully about what the current immigration policy is and what the real statistics on crime as reported by the Swedes. You have nothing to fear. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/feb/20/what-statistics-say-about-immigration-and-sweden/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/feb/20/what-statistics-say-about-immigration-and-sweden/ That headline is ridiculous, don't you think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Malmö [~mulm-er], Sweden, Europe's most anti-semitic city? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOI0qng1my8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOI0qng1my8 http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/feb/20/what-statistics-say-about-immigration-and-sweden/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Malmö [~mulm-er], Sweden, Europe's most anti-semitic city? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOI0qng1my8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOI0qng1my8
[FairfieldLife] Re: Very Serious Cell Phone Warnings: Questions and Answers
Here's the Green Bank story. Is Fairfield next? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : CELL PHONES: QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS by Arthur Firstenberg* How much radiation does a cell phone emit, compared to what exists in nature? If Neil Armstrong had brought a cell phone to the moon in 1969, it would have appeared from earth to be the brightest object in the universe in the microwave spectrum. In the daytime, the sun would have been brighter, but at night, the cell phone would have outshone every star. There is a reason cell phones are outlawed in Green Bank, West Virginia: even a single cell phone, even from miles away, would blind the radio astronomers there and make it impossible for them to see the stars. Astronomers measure radio waves in units called janskys. A typical star shines at 10 to 100 janskys. The Sun shines at about 500,000 janskys. When you hold a cell phone against your head, you are pumping energy at the rate of about 100,000,000,000,000,000 janskys into your brain. How does that compare to radiation from a cell tower? Suppose there is a 2,000-watt cell tower two blocks from your house. The part of your brain next to a cell phone is absorbing up to one hundred thousand times as much radiation from the phone as it is from the tower. Are the FCC’s exposure limits the same for cell phones and cell towers? No. Cell phones are exempt from the limits imposed on cell towers. The FCC measures exposure in milliwatts per square centimeter. Depending on frequency, the FCC’s limit for whole body exposure to radiation from distant sources is about one milliwatt per square centimeter (1 mW/cm2). The limit for partial body exposure to a cell phone is approximately 20 mW/cm2 (for the brain), which assumes the phone is held at least one and a half centimeters away from your head. It is 50 mW/cm2 (for the hands, wrists and ears). If you hold the phone flush against your head, like most people do, or tightly between your head and your shoulder, the exposure to the brain can approach 50 mW/cm2 also. Who set the exposure limits? A radar scientist named Herman Schwan who was brought to the United States from Germany after World War II as part of Project Paperclip. He made some assumptions about the rate at which the human body is capable of getting rid of heat, and on that basis he estimated that the body could safely absorb an amount of radiation equal to 100 mW/cm2. His assumptions were soon proven wrong, since experimental animals died within minutes when exposed to that much radiation. So over the years, the safe level was reduced first to 10 mW/cm2 and later to the current limit of 1 mW/cm2. Why is the brain exempt from those limits? Because those limits would make cell phones impractical. And because new assumptions were made about how much heat the brain could safely absorb, and the rate at which the body could dissipate that heat. It was decided that the brain could be safely heated by up to 1° C (1.8° F). Have these assumptions proven correct? No. A 1° C rise in temperature is usually considered a fever. And although the brain as a whole is heated less than 1° C by a cell phone, the absorption is not uniform. DNA, for example, resonantly absorbs microwave radiation. In experiments done at the Food and Drug Administra tion during the 1980s, DNA absorbed 400 times as much radiation as expected. Research done at the Max Planck Institute in Germany in 2006 found that brain synapses may be resonantly heated by up to 100° C while the brain as a whole is heated by only 1° C. I don’t get a headache from my cell phone. Can it be that bad? Because brain tissue has no pain receptors, we don’t feel the injury. Even a headache doesn’t tell you what’s happening inside your head. Neurosurgen Leif Salford and his colleagues in Sweden found that a single two-hour exposure to a cell phone permanently destroys up to two percent of a rat’s brain cells. Superficially the rats are fine, but two percent of their brain is gone. The experiments gave similar results even when the exposure level was reduced a hundredfold. And in experiments on the blood-brain barrier, they reduced the exposure level ten thousandfold and found that damage to the blood-brain barrier was worse when the exposure level was reduced. That means that holding the phone away from your head does not protect you. It means that if you use a Bluetooth headset, which emits only 2.5 milliwatts, you are doing more damage to yourself than if you hold the phone to your head. The blood-brain barrier keeps bacteria, viruses, and toxic chemicals out of your brain and maintains the brain at constant pressure. Too much intracranial pressure can lead to a stroke. How fast does the damage to the blood-brain barrier happen? Leakage of the blood-brain barrier is detectable within two minutes of exposure and probably begins within seconds. What do the stroke statistics t
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking in Tongues
The act of glossolalia, speaking in unknown (or ecstatic) speech has many pre-Christian roots. In a lengthy journal article for the American Scientific Affiliation (an association of Christian scientists), Dr. Pattison summarizes the publications of numerous historians on this topic by saying “Glossolalia had been practiced for many years along with other ecstatic phenomena by the prophets of the ancient religions of the Near East. Prophets and mystics of Assyria, Egypt, and Greece reportedly spoke in foreign tongues during states of ecstasy and uttered unintelligible phrases said to be revelations from the gods…The practice was known in ancient India and China, and ethnographies describe glossolalia in almost every area of the world.(4)” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : yes and also recordings of speaking in tongues have been analyzed by linguists and found to be gibberish.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UN officials touring rural Alabama are shocked to see the
Been this way for a long time. Here's the history of poverty in Alabama. http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/article/h-1387 http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/article/h-1387 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : level of poverty and environmental degradation in the area.. IMO, this is inexcusable for a country that shows the world to be economically advanced and well off. https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/f7940ae9-54a9-3163-b547-9c230d71363c/ss_u.n.-officials-touring-rural.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/f7940ae9-54a9-3163-b547-9c230d71363c/ss_u.n.-officials-touring-rural.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: civilizatons dated to hundreds of thousands of years earlier
Levitating stones? It also seems possible that the Egyptians used ramps. This shows it pictorially. http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/pyramidlifts.htm http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/pyramidlifts.htm ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It seems possible that the Egyptians knew how to lift heavy stones by using some kind of magic. Some have speculated that the priests at the time chanted a mantra to lift heavy stones to construct the pyramids in Giza. Also, it is possible that the Incas or their ancestors knew a formula to soften stones to mudlike substance to make stones fit together without mortar or advanced cutting tools. In the Srimad Bhagavatam, Srila Prabhupada speculated that the Egyptians came from India who were trying to escape the anger of Parasuraman, the angry incarmation of God in India thousands of years ago. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://mariobuildreps.com/ https://mariobuildreps.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Big Bang Never Happened,
Will we ever know for sure? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : a Brazilian scientist claims. https://www.yahoo.com/news/big-bang-never-happened-might-traces-earlier-universe-scientist-claims-103343290.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/big-bang-never-happened-might-traces-earlier-universe-scientist-claims-103343290.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Reaffirms Conscience as the basis to resolve questions
Very nice...thank you John. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, Here's how Stan Getz and Billy Evans play your song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tmbWGcQous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tmbWGcQous ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : No, I cannot answer the question..."do *you* think.," nor any other questions I asked regarding what *you* think! I can answer the question for myself, but I was attempting to engage *you* in a conversation. I don't typically have conversations with myself, although I will admit to sometimes talking out loud. :) No problem, I'm not trying to make you uncomfortable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, The message of the Fatima is for everyone to hear and fathom. I believe you can answer this for yourself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes, we agree that the stage is being set, in one way or another. And, just to end with another question, do you think that the Pope is being manipulated by the Illuminati or Free Masons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, The Church is now in the state of flux, particularly on the issues raised in Amoris Laetitia. There is a rumor going around that the Pope may disband the college of cardinals that would elect the next pope. So, that would set the stage for Pope Francis to appoint his successor to carry out his reforms. There is also a strident revival of the "Third Secret of the Fatima", which has been around since 1960 or the start of the Vatican II Council. Specifically, this secret has something to do with the Pope being manipulated by worldly groups like the Illuminati or the Free Masons. Youtube has several videos featuring this Secret of the Fatima. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I agree with much that you say here—the Pope is posing reform—to church tradition, policy, and to the flock's way of considering doctrine and belief. You never answered my question re: whether you think this rises to the level of the Reformation. What do you think? In terms of ways it does and ways it doesn't? Being raised Catholic (which I assume you were), you have an inside understanding perhaps? Do you think the Pope will abide by the challenge/consensus of this group of cardinals out of 228 cardinals? I am sure there are more that disagree with where he is going, however I disagree with you on this. We don't know what the flock thinks and I tend to believe that there is a good number that is in full support of reform and is not abiding already with some of the stricter rules. This Pope is on a mission. He won't resign. Will he succeed in his challenge to the archaic rules of Communion, etc? Maybe not in his lifetime, but he is setting the stage. Do you really think that he should concede to the cardinals with the platitude that the "will of the Holy Spirit" has been done? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, The cardinals who were opposing the Pope Francis reforms posed several questions or "dubia" to the pope about the faith doctrines that were potentially violated from the letter "Amoris Laetitia". But the pope did not answer these questions, or more likely ignored them. But the pope did release an explanation to the media explaining his rationale in Amoris, which is based on conscience. IMO, the press and Catholics around the world will have to ponder how this factor will affect them individually and as a part of the church. In effect, Pope Francis has made everyone think. Will they be the first one to cast the stone against the people addressed in the letter Amoris? Will the church stay with the written doctrines and tradition of the past? or will they have to consider their own individual conscience to answer the questions about divorced Catholics and gay marriages? Pope Francis is asking a very thorny question which involve a personal question to each member of the faith to answer. It may take a while for the final answer to come back. And, the answer will seal the faith and practice of Catholics for years to come. IMO, Pope Francis will abide by the consensus of the cardinals and will be happy to retire knowing that he did the will of the Holy Spirit through the votes of the cardinals and the faithful whom they represent. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : There are an estimated Roman Catholics, 40% of which are in Latin America. "By writing a letter – and then making it public – did the four believe that they would corner Francis and get the answer they wanted? It is unlikely that he feels cornered. The four cardinals have now placed themselves in a rather difficult position. They are but four cardinals out of 228 from 79 countries. They are not a majority by any stretch of the imagination. Francis is fr
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Reaffirms Conscience as the basis to resolve questions
No, I cannot answer the question..."do *you* think.," nor any other questions I asked regarding what *you* think! I can answer the question for myself, but I was attempting to engage *you* in a conversation. I don't typically have conversations with myself, although I will admit to sometimes talking out loud. :) No problem, I'm not trying to make you uncomfortable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, The message of the Fatima is for everyone to hear and fathom. I believe you can answer this for yourself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes, we agree that the stage is being set, in one way or another. And, just to end with another question, do you think that the Pope is being manipulated by the Illuminati or Free Masons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, The Church is now in the state of flux, particularly on the issues raised in Amoris Laetitia. There is a rumor going around that the Pope may disband the college of cardinals that would elect the next pope. So, that would set the stage for Pope Francis to appoint his successor to carry out his reforms. There is also a strident revival of the "Third Secret of the Fatima", which has been around since 1960 or the start of the Vatican II Council. Specifically, this secret has something to do with the Pope being manipulated by worldly groups like the Illuminati or the Free Masons. Youtube has several videos featuring this Secret of the Fatima. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I agree with much that you say here—the Pope is posing reform—to church tradition, policy, and to the flock's way of considering doctrine and belief. You never answered my question re: whether you think this rises to the level of the Reformation. What do you think? In terms of ways it does and ways it doesn't? Being raised Catholic (which I assume you were), you have an inside understanding perhaps? Do you think the Pope will abide by the challenge/consensus of this group of cardinals out of 228 cardinals? I am sure there are more that disagree with where he is going, however I disagree with you on this. We don't know what the flock thinks and I tend to believe that there is a good number that is in full support of reform and is not abiding already with some of the stricter rules. This Pope is on a mission. He won't resign. Will he succeed in his challenge to the archaic rules of Communion, etc? Maybe not in his lifetime, but he is setting the stage. Do you really think that he should concede to the cardinals with the platitude that the "will of the Holy Spirit" has been done? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, The cardinals who were opposing the Pope Francis reforms posed several questions or "dubia" to the pope about the faith doctrines that were potentially violated from the letter "Amoris Laetitia". But the pope did not answer these questions, or more likely ignored them. But the pope did release an explanation to the media explaining his rationale in Amoris, which is based on conscience. IMO, the press and Catholics around the world will have to ponder how this factor will affect them individually and as a part of the church. In effect, Pope Francis has made everyone think. Will they be the first one to cast the stone against the people addressed in the letter Amoris? Will the church stay with the written doctrines and tradition of the past? or will they have to consider their own individual conscience to answer the questions about divorced Catholics and gay marriages? Pope Francis is asking a very thorny question which involve a personal question to each member of the faith to answer. It may take a while for the final answer to come back. And, the answer will seal the faith and practice of Catholics for years to come. IMO, Pope Francis will abide by the consensus of the cardinals and will be happy to retire knowing that he did the will of the Holy Spirit through the votes of the cardinals and the faithful whom they represent. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : There are an estimated Roman Catholics, 40% of which are in Latin America. "By writing a letter – and then making it public – did the four believe that they would corner Francis and get the answer they wanted? It is unlikely that he feels cornered. The four cardinals have now placed themselves in a rather difficult position. They are but four cardinals out of 228 from 79 countries. They are not a majority by any stretch of the imagination. Francis is from the global south; the four cardinals are from the north. Francis has a specific experience and approach that is not always understood in the north. The socio-economic and political situations in Latin America have shaped the way this pope thinks. He worked as a bishop – at the coal face – for 21
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Reaffirms Conscience as the basis to resolve questions
Yes, we agree that the stage is being set, in one way or another. And, just to end with another question, do you think that the Pope is being manipulated by the Illuminati or Free Masons? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, The Church is now in the state of flux, particularly on the issues raised in Amoris Laetitia. There is a rumor going around that the Pope may disband the college of cardinals that would elect the next pope. So, that would set the stage for Pope Francis to appoint his successor to carry out his reforms. There is also a strident revival of the "Third Secret of the Fatima", which has been around since 1960 or the start of the Vatican II Council. Specifically, this secret has something to do with the Pope being manipulated by worldly groups like the Illuminati or the Free Masons. Youtube has several videos featuring this Secret of the Fatima. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I agree with much that you say here—the Pope is posing reform—to church tradition, policy, and to the flock's way of considering doctrine and belief. You never answered my question re: whether you think this rises to the level of the Reformation. What do you think? In terms of ways it does and ways it doesn't? Being raised Catholic (which I assume you were), you have an inside understanding perhaps? Do you think the Pope will abide by the challenge/consensus of this group of cardinals out of 228 cardinals? I am sure there are more that disagree with where he is going, however I disagree with you on this. We don't know what the flock thinks and I tend to believe that there is a good number that is in full support of reform and is not abiding already with some of the stricter rules. This Pope is on a mission. He won't resign. Will he succeed in his challenge to the archaic rules of Communion, etc? Maybe not in his lifetime, but he is setting the stage. Do you really think that he should concede to the cardinals with the platitude that the "will of the Holy Spirit" has been done? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, The cardinals who were opposing the Pope Francis reforms posed several questions or "dubia" to the pope about the faith doctrines that were potentially violated from the letter "Amoris Laetitia". But the pope did not answer these questions, or more likely ignored them. But the pope did release an explanation to the media explaining his rationale in Amoris, which is based on conscience. IMO, the press and Catholics around the world will have to ponder how this factor will affect them individually and as a part of the church. In effect, Pope Francis has made everyone think. Will they be the first one to cast the stone against the people addressed in the letter Amoris? Will the church stay with the written doctrines and tradition of the past? or will they have to consider their own individual conscience to answer the questions about divorced Catholics and gay marriages? Pope Francis is asking a very thorny question which involve a personal question to each member of the faith to answer. It may take a while for the final answer to come back. And, the answer will seal the faith and practice of Catholics for years to come. IMO, Pope Francis will abide by the consensus of the cardinals and will be happy to retire knowing that he did the will of the Holy Spirit through the votes of the cardinals and the faithful whom they represent. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : There are an estimated Roman Catholics, 40% of which are in Latin America. "By writing a letter – and then making it public – did the four believe that they would corner Francis and get the answer they wanted? It is unlikely that he feels cornered. The four cardinals have now placed themselves in a rather difficult position. They are but four cardinals out of 228 from 79 countries. They are not a majority by any stretch of the imagination. Francis is from the global south; the four cardinals are from the north. Francis has a specific experience and approach that is not always understood in the north. The socio-economic and political situations in Latin America have shaped the way this pope thinks. He worked as a bishop – at the coal face – for 21 years. He understands the problems and struggles of people in the Third World. His refusal to see the world in black and white is precisely because of his experience of life. The four writers are all from affluent places and cultures and certainly would not have the same experience as Francis on the ground. The biggest challenge facing Pope Francis appears not to be the 1.2-billion Catholics he leads. His biggest challenge comes from his so-called “middle-management” – bishops and cardinals who just do not buy into his new vision of a Catholic Church that is welcoming and inclusive. Pope Franc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Reaffirms Conscience as the basis to resolve questions
I agree with much that you say here—the Pope is posing reform—to church tradition, policy, and to the flock's way of considering doctrine and belief. You never answered my question re: whether you think this rises to the level of the Reformation. What do you think? In terms of ways it does and ways it doesn't? Being raised Catholic (which I assume you were), you have an inside understanding perhaps? Do you think the Pope will abide by the challenge/consensus of this group of cardinals out of 228 cardinals? I am sure there are more that disagree with where he is going, however I disagree with you on this. We don't know what the flock thinks and I tend to believe that there is a good number that is in full support of reform and is not abiding already with some of the stricter rules. This Pope is on a mission. He won't resign. Will he succeed in his challenge to the archaic rules of Communion, etc? Maybe not in his lifetime, but he is setting the stage. Do you really think that he should concede to the cardinals with the platitude that the "will of the Holy Spirit" has been done? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, The cardinals who were opposing the Pope Francis reforms posed several questions or "dubia" to the pope about the faith doctrines that were potentially violated from the letter "Amoris Laetitia". But the pope did not answer these questions, or more likely ignored them. But the pope did release an explanation to the media explaining his rationale in Amoris, which is based on conscience. IMO, the press and Catholics around the world will have to ponder how this factor will affect them individually and as a part of the church. In effect, Pope Francis has made everyone think. Will they be the first one to cast the stone against the people addressed in the letter Amoris? Will the church stay with the written doctrines and tradition of the past? or will they have to consider their own individual conscience to answer the questions about divorced Catholics and gay marriages? Pope Francis is asking a very thorny question which involve a personal question to each member of the faith to answer. It may take a while for the final answer to come back. And, the answer will seal the faith and practice of Catholics for years to come. IMO, Pope Francis will abide by the consensus of the cardinals and will be happy to retire knowing that he did the will of the Holy Spirit through the votes of the cardinals and the faithful whom they represent. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : There are an estimated Roman Catholics, 40% of which are in Latin America. "By writing a letter – and then making it public – did the four believe that they would corner Francis and get the answer they wanted? It is unlikely that he feels cornered. The four cardinals have now placed themselves in a rather difficult position. They are but four cardinals out of 228 from 79 countries. They are not a majority by any stretch of the imagination. Francis is from the global south; the four cardinals are from the north. Francis has a specific experience and approach that is not always understood in the north. The socio-economic and political situations in Latin America have shaped the way this pope thinks. He worked as a bishop – at the coal face – for 21 years. He understands the problems and struggles of people in the Third World. His refusal to see the world in black and white is precisely because of his experience of life. The four writers are all from affluent places and cultures and certainly would not have the same experience as Francis on the ground. The biggest challenge facing Pope Francis appears not to be the 1.2-billion Catholics he leads. His biggest challenge comes from his so-called “middle-management” – bishops and cardinals who just do not buy into his new vision of a Catholic Church that is welcoming and inclusive. Pope Francis, however, while he remains head of the Catholic Church, will continue to introduce the reforms the cardinals wanted when they elected him. Maybe they did not realize that they too would be part of the reform. " ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug, Pope Francis is apparently stirring the pot for Catholics. He's saying that staid tradition and past church rules are not the sure bet to get salvation in the church. He has delivered his message to the youth of the church, when he first became the top prelate a few years ago.. And that was to make a real mess of the church. -- jr Wow, the Pope is a Quaker! Francis told the conference that priests must inform Catholic consciences “but not replace them.” And he stressed the distinction between one’s conscience — where God reveals himself — and one’s ego that thinks it can do as it pleases. We have a similar problem wit
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Reaffirms Conscience as the basis to resolve questions
There are an estimated Roman Catholics, 40% of which are in Latin America. "By writing a letter – and then making it public – did the four believe that they would corner Francis and get the answer they wanted? It is unlikely that he feels cornered. The four cardinals have now placed themselves in a rather difficult position. They are but four cardinals out of 228 from 79 countries. They are not a majority by any stretch of the imagination. Francis is from the global south; the four cardinals are from the north. Francis has a specific experience and approach that is not always understood in the north. The socio-economic and political situations in Latin America have shaped the way this pope thinks. He worked as a bishop – at the coal face – for 21 years. He understands the problems and struggles of people in the Third World. His refusal to see the world in black and white is precisely because of his experience of life. The four writers are all from affluent places and cultures and certainly would not have the same experience as Francis on the ground. The biggest challenge facing Pope Francis appears not to be the 1.2-billion Catholics he leads. His biggest challenge comes from his so-called “middle-management” – bishops and cardinals who just do not buy into his new vision of a Catholic Church that is welcoming and inclusive. Pope Francis, however, while he remains head of the Catholic Church, will continue to introduce the reforms the cardinals wanted when they elected him. Maybe they did not realize that they too would be part of the reform. " ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug, Pope Francis is apparently stirring the pot for Catholics. He's saying that staid tradition and past church rules are not the sure bet to get salvation in the church. He has delivered his message to the youth of the church, when he first became the top prelate a few years ago.. And that was to make a real mess of the church. -- jr Wow, the Pope is a Quaker! Francis told the conference that priests must inform Catholic consciences “but not replace them.” And he stressed the distinction between one’s conscience — where God reveals himself — and one’s ego that thinks it can do as it pleases. We have a similar problem with TM conservatives sitting on old policy while much of the congregation of the old TM movement has voted with its feet leaving a small geriatric group with the dimishing assets of what was the TM movement. Pope Francis (John Hagelin in TM's case?) on Saturday reaffirmed the “primacy” of using one’s conscience to navigate tough moral questions in his first comments since he was publicly accused of spreading heresy by emphasizing conscience over hard and fast Catholic rules. Vipers are left fighting at the top. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : relating to heresy. It looks like the Pope is holding his line to argue against the conservatives in his church. In the end, the individual may have a good basis to challenge church doctrine... https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/pope-reaffirms-conscience-as-heresy-debate-divides-church/2017/11/11/1c92e674-c6fa-11e7-9922-4151f5ca6168_story.html?utm_term=.57ca0d4f1d22 https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/pope-reaffirms-conscience-as-heresy-debate-divides-church/2017/11/11/1c92e674-c6fa-11e7-9922-4151f5ca6168_story.html?utm_term=.57ca0d4f1d22
[FairfieldLife] Re: Russian man claims he came from the past of Mars,
Johnperhaps the kid, who was a bit of a prodigy, has a vivid imagination? From your article: "It’s a wild tale, and the timeline of the entire thing doesn’t exactly match up with what we know thanks to space agencies and researchers from around the world, including Russia. In an interview, Kipriyanovich’s parents note that, thanks to his ability to read at a very young age, he would often read books on space and astronomy. Is it possible a 3-year-old brain studying space literature fabricated it all? Well, it’s more likely than Mars being destroyed in a nuclear holocaust, that’s for sure." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : and that there are Martians now, who are living underground and breathing carbon dioxide. https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-man-says-lived-mars-past-life-martians-164640572.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-man-says-lived-mars-past-life-martians-164640572.html If this is the case, there may be other people on earth who came from other exoplanets and may be able to remember what these worlds were like and may give indications if there are ETs living there now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The New York Times: What Explains U.S. Mass Shootings? International Comparisons Suggest an Answer
“In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate,” Dan Hodges, a British journalist, wrote in a post on Twitter https://twitter.com/dpjhodges/status/611943312401002496?lang=en two years ago, referring to the 2012 attack that killed 20 young students at an elementary school in Connecticut. “Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.” Yep, and it just happened again...children are now expendable. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=VoxCare%201162017&utm_content=VoxCare%201162017+CID_7d33eff5a72aa34faec355e3d0e04b98&utm_source=cm_email&utm_term=here ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?emc=edit_ta_20171107&nl=top-stories&nlid=61874176&ref=cta https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?emc=edit_ta_20171107&nl=top-stories&nlid=61874176&ref=cta The New York Times What Explains U.S. Mass Shootings? International Comparisons Suggest an Answer The Interpreter https://www.nytimes.com/column/the-interpreter By MAX FISHER and https://www.nytimes.com/by/max-fisherJOSH KELLER https://www.nytimes.com/by/josh-keller NOV. 7, 2017 Continue reading the main story https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?emc=edit_ta_20171107&nl=top-stories&nlid=61874176&ref=cta#story-continues-1Share This Page Star Continue reading the main story https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?emc=edit_ta_20171107&nl=top-stories&nlid=61874176&ref=cta#story-continues-1 100 mass shooters United States The United States has 270 million guns and had 90 mass shooters between 1966 and 2012. 80 60 40 No other country has more than 46 million gunsor 18 mass shooters. Philippines Russia China India 100 million guns 200 million guns 300 million guns The New York Times |Source: Adam Lankford, The University of Alabama (shooters); Small Arms Survey (guns). Note: Includes countries with more than 10 million people and at least one mass public shooting with four or more victims. When the world looks at the United States, it sees a land of exceptions: a time-tested if noisy democracy, a crusader in foreign policy, an exporter of beloved music and film. But there is one quirk that consistently puzzles America’s fans and critics alike. Why, they ask, does it experience so many mass shootings? Perhaps, some speculate, it is because American society is unusually violent. Or its racial divisions have frayed the bonds of society. Or its citizens lack proper mental care under a health care system that draws frequent derision abroad. These explanations share one thing in common: Though seemingly sensible, all have been debunked by research on shootings elsewhere in the world. Instead, an ever-growing body of research consistently reaches the same conclusion. The only variable that can explain the high rate of mass shootings in America is its astronomical number of guns. Photo Outside the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, Tex., after a mass shooting on Sunday.CreditCallie Richmond for The New York Times What Explains Mass Shootings The top-line numbers suggest a correlation that, on further investigation, grows only clearer. Americans make up about 4.4 percent of the global population but own 42 percent of the world’s guns. From 1966 to 2012, 31 percent of the gunmen in mass shootings worldwide were American, according to a 2015 study by Adam Lankford http://adamlankford.com/research.htm, a professor at the University of Alabama. Continue reading the main story https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?emc=edit_ta_20171107&nl=top-stories&nlid=61874176&ref=cta#story-continues-3 ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?emc=edit_ta_20171107&nl=top-stories&nlid=61874176&ref=cta#story-continues-4 Adjusted for population, only Yemen has a higher rate of mass shootings among countries with more than 10 million people — a distinction Mr. Lankford urged to avoid outliers. Yemen has the world’s second-highest rate of gun ownership after the United States. Continue reading the main story https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?emc=edit_ta_20171107&nl=top-stories&nlid=61874176&ref=cta#story-continues-5 Continue reading the main story https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?emc=edit_ta_20171107&nl=top-stories&nlid=61874176&ref=cta#story-continues-6 40
[FairfieldLife] Re: To say that adultery is okay under some circumstances is "heretical",
* "is ridiculous" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes, I understand and understood the article. I agree about the conservative faction. My point was that the church's conservative definition on *what adultery is* and the punitive way they would seek to impose religious condemnation and ridiculous and untenable in today's society. As the article I posted mentioned—this is an "archaic" policy. Pope Francis is addressing it and attempting reform. He is also attempting to clean house (the ego and corruption of the church hierarchy, imo). Interesting that you think the Pope would resign. He knows he is upsetting the apple cart. And he is well loved by the people. Does this rise to the level of the Reformation? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, IMO the pope wanted to express his opinion about various matters through a pastoral letter without being taken as official church teaching through an "encyclical". But the conservative faction of the church has taken these opinions as subversion of the official church teachings. It could end up with the pope resigning over this controversy. I don't believe he's the type who would cause a schism to the same extent as the Protestant Reformation of Martin Luther many centuries ago. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=59123 http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=59123 "The Catholic church simply does not accept divorce, and anyone divorced, who then remarries or starts a sexual relationship with a new person, is committing adultery under Catholic law." Pretty unrealistic, don't you agree? It's about time there was a schism in the church. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : a German cardinal of the Catholic Church says. This is a criticism of Pope Francis's recent writings about family life. If not corrected, there may be a schism in the church. Stay tuned... https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a6e7fb75-a3aa-3381-8407-cbccb7bf9f1a/ss_catholic-cardinal%3A-to-claim.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a6e7fb75-a3aa-3381-8407-cbccb7bf9f1a/ss_catholic-cardinal%3A-to-claim.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: To say that adultery is okay under some circumstances is "heretical",
Yes, I understand and understood the article. I agree about the conservative faction. My point was that the church's conservative definition on *what adultery is* and the punitive way they would seek to impose religious condemnation and ridiculous and untenable in today's society. As the article I posted mentioned—this is an "archaic" policy. Pope Francis is addressing it and attempting reform. He is also attempting to clean house (the ego and corruption of the church hierarchy, imo). Interesting that you think the Pope would resign. He knows he is upsetting the apple cart. He is well loved by the people. Does this rise to the level of the Reformation? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, IMO the pope wanted to express his opinion about various matters through a pastoral letter without being taken as official church teaching through an "encyclical". But the conservative faction of the church has taken these opinions as subversion of the official church teachings. It could end up with the pope resigning over this controversy. I don't believe he's the type who would cause a schism to the same extent as the Protestant Reformation of Martin Luther many centuries ago. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=59123 http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=59123 "The Catholic church simply does not accept divorce, and anyone divorced, who then remarries or starts a sexual relationship with a new person, is committing adultery under Catholic law." Pretty unrealistic, don't you agree? It's about time there was a schism in the church. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : a German cardinal of the Catholic Church says. This is a criticism of Pope Francis's recent writings about family life. If not corrected, there may be a schism in the church. Stay tuned... https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a6e7fb75-a3aa-3381-8407-cbccb7bf9f1a/ss_catholic-cardinal%3A-to-claim.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a6e7fb75-a3aa-3381-8407-cbccb7bf9f1a/ss_catholic-cardinal%3A-to-claim.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific American: Study on Mindfulness Training for Teens Fails Important Test
"As the parent of any teenager can attest, adolescence can be a bumpy ride. " I don't believe there *is* a solution to adolescence, do you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://goo.gl/QyFuHx https://goo.gl/QyFuHx Scientific American MENTAL HEALTH https://www.scientificamerican.com/mental-health/ Mindfulness Training for Teens Fails Important Test A large trial in schools showed no evidence of benefits, and hints it could even cause problems By Cindi May https://www.scientificamerican.com/author/cindi-may/ on October 31, 2017 Credit: Muriel de Seze Getty Images http://www.gettyimages.com/license/642292549 Mindfulness https://books.google.com/books/about/Full_Catastrophe_Living_Revised_Edition.html?id=fIuNDtnb2ZkC involves a conscious focus on and awareness of your present state of mind and surroundings, without judgment or reaction. Mindfulness is rooted in Buddhism and was developed in the 1970’s as a therapeutic intervention for stress in adults by Jon Kabat-Zinn, who founded the Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction Clinic at the University of Massachusetts Medical School. Over the past several decades, the practice of mindfulness has evolved into a booming billion dollar industry, with growing claims that mindfulness is a panacea for host of maladies including stress, depression, failures of attention, eating disorders, substance abuse, weight gain, and pain. Not all of these claims, however, are likely to be true. A recent critical evaluation http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1745691617709589 of the adult literature on mindfulness identifies a number of weaknesses in the extant research, including a lack of randomized control groups, small sample sizes, large attrition rates, and inconsistent definitions of mindfulness. Moreover, a systematic review https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24395196 of intervention studies found insufficient evidence for a benefit of mindfulness on attention, mood, sleep, weight control, or substance abuse. That said, there is empirical evidence https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24395196 that mindfulness offers a moderate benefit for anxiety, depression, and pain, at least in adults. Can mindfulness also be used as an effective tool for mitigating depression and anxiety in teens? Some research https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23787061 suggests it can, but the research is plagued by the same shortcomings identified in the adult literature (e.g., lack of a randomized control group, small sample sizes). In an effort to address these limitations, Catherine Johnson, Christine Burke, Sally Brickman, and Tracey Wade conducted a large-scale study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27054828 including a randomized control group to assess the benefits of mindfulness training in teens. They evaluated the efficacy of mindfulness training in 308 middle and high school students (average age 13.6 yrs) from diverse socio-economic backgrounds. The students were enrolled in 17 different classes across 5 different schools. Students opted in to the study, and were randomly assigned to the control group or the mindfulness training group. Students in the control group received no mindfulness training but instead participated in community projects or received lessons in pastoral care. Students in the mindfulness group completed 8 weeks of training in the .b (“Dot be”) Mindfulness in Schools curriculum, which is based on the “gold standard” Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) intervention for adults. The training sessions varied in length from 35 to 60 min and were administered once a week. All mindfulness training was conducted by the same certified instructor. Beyond the weekly training sessions, teens in the mindfulness group were encouraged to practice mindfulness techniques at home and were given manuals to assist in this practice. All participants were assessed at three different time points: a baseline taken one week before the intervention, a post-test measure taken a week after the sessions were over, and a follow-up assessment administered about 3 months later. The study included measures of anxiety and depression, weight and shape concerns, well-being, emotional dysregulation, self-compassion, and mindfulness. Participants were also asked to report their compliance with home practice, and to provide an evaluation of the intervention. Attrition rates were low (just 16 percent at follow up) and comparable for both groups. Despite the numerous outcome measures employed in the study, there was no evidence of any benefit for the mindfulness group at either the immediate post-test or the follow up. In fact, anxiety was higher at the follow up for males in the mindfulness group relative to males in the control group. The same was true for participants with low baseline depression and low baseline weight concerns; mindfulness training led to an increase in anxiety in these individu
[FairfieldLife] Re: To say that adultery is okay under some circumstances is "heretical",
http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=59123 http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=59123 "The Catholic church simply does not accept divorce, and anyone divorced, who then remarries or starts a sexual relationship with a new person, is committing adultery under Catholic law." Pretty unrealistic, don't you agree? It's about time there was a schism in the church. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : a German cardinal of the Catholic Church says. This is a criticism of Pope Francis's recent writings about family life. If not corrected, there may be a schism in the church. Stay tuned... https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a6e7fb75-a3aa-3381-8407-cbccb7bf9f1a/ss_catholic-cardinal%3A-to-claim.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a6e7fb75-a3aa-3381-8407-cbccb7bf9f1a/ss_catholic-cardinal%3A-to-claim.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hacking Consciousness at Stanford University, Part 1
Many of my family members are Stanford grads so I had to do some research into this one. This is not a Stanford course, just fyi. (No credits, no cost.) It was a part of a free series of lectures given in 2013-2014 and billed as a course affiliated with the LifeWorks initiative. The reviews give a nod to Dr. Peeke! LifeWorks is part of Stanford's initiative to provide students with perspectives and practices that help them deepen their educational experience and more successfully negotiate the challenges they face in today's world. Our courses and workshops respond to the call by the Study of Undergraduate Education at Stanford (SUES) for more adaptive and integrative learning that gives students the skills and capacities for living and working in a complex, accelerated, interdependent world. LifeWorks courses integrate the process of self-inquiry into traditional learning by combining scholarship with creative expression, mindfulness and other embodied practices. Our approach combines the latest discoveries in neuroscience, psychology, and education with the wisdom and practices of contemplative world cultures. Embodied practices like mindfulness, dance, yoga and improvisation help students reduce stress, focus attention and improve academic and athletic performance. Such practices support the development of self-understanding, heightened comfort with ambiguity, increased happiness and a greater acceptance of others. Creative expression through writing, the arts and other media engages students more intuitively and holistically, helping them assimilate learning in fresh and unexpected ways. Reviews: Customer Reviews Jerry by Jerry62t I watched the first lecture by Dr. John Hagelin. I find it hard to believe that Stanford university actually associated itself with this anti-intellectual twaddle. This is truly proof of the adage that if you are considered an expert in a field you don't need any evidence of the things you say. Stanford credits for this... Really? (No credits-de) by Thierry M D Don't look for anything enlightning... Unlike the previous reviewer, with whom I agree though, I actually made it to the 4th video before giving up. This series is border line sect recruiting. Talking at length and mixing good science, that they have nothing to do with, to plug at the end their own mistic view and try to give it credentials in the process. Snake oil at best, it is amazing that Stanford would associate its name with this course, much less give credit for it. It should be reclassified under Entertainement at best...! Amazing also was the unwillingness to address questions from the few skeptics in the audience. Hmm, interesting, but ??? by Roger2014 Skip the first two lectures. Little or no science there. Watch Dr. Peeke. She's interesting and you might pick up a point or two. The final lecture presents the science and it's interesting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeBUFzP9C1w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeBUFzP9C1w
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: "Segregation of the individual from the Cosmos is very unnatural,"
Lovely statements on the non-dual nature of cosmic intelligence. This is funny though, given the TM org's obsession with marketing and educating on TM's merits as a modern "science-based" technique. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "If the individual intellect is not lively on [the] transcendental level of Nature’s Intelligence, which is the one ultimate, unifying, evolutionary power upholding all activity in Nature, the individual existence and performance remains intellectually, emotionally, and practically segregated from its own holistic basis. "This segregation of the individual from the Cosmos is very unnatural, and anything that is unnatural is non-evolutionary, non-progressive, and damaging to life, because the very nature of life is to evolve. "When the connectedness of individual life with Cosmic Life is damaged, individual intelligence remains disconnected from its own cosmic value. It remains like a bud without flowering and without the ability to spread its fragrance and glorify the whole atmosphere. This is the deplorable state of life imposed upon mankind through modern science-based education." —Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Maharishi Vedic University—Introduction Published 1994, 362 pages, Pages 200–201. © Copyright Maharishi Vedic University Press • N 3454
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Robots with AI can be dangerous as Elon Musk fears
This seems obvious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Their thinking process is not based on organic material, such as those based on the five elements, like the brain cells in the human brain. Thus, robots cannot identify with being a mammal or an animal with "feelings". it's "rational" processes are devoid of earthly identification with humans or other animals. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/m/44f4e366-5200-3cc9-8d40-852c9a36b0de/ss_i-met-sophia%2C-the-world%27s.html https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/m/44f4e366-5200-3cc9-8d40-852c9a36b0de/ss_i-met-sophia%2C-the-world%27s.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vatican gets involved in nuclear talks
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Will Trump and Kim Jong Un listen to good counsel? No. Also, TMers should gather and meditate at the Vatican to increase the ME for the countries involved in this standoff. https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/d98b228d-99ed-39de-b2c6-d025625712a6/ss_vatican-aims-to-head-off.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/d98b228d-99ed-39de-b2c6-d025625712a6/ss_vatican-aims-to-head-off.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Issue: Do all scientists who conduct research on the Transcendental Meditation program practice the technique?
If you click on "show message history" at the bottom of the message you are replying to, then we can see which person you are replying to. If you are replying to me, I ask you the following question: Why are you meditating? Not, why do you do TM. Rather, what inspires you to meditate? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : you might want to try to read and understand what I have posted from David Orme Johnson, as you obviously don't really understand . Truth is not something subjective. Scientific truth isn't. I am sorry you want everyone to be right or all points of view to be equally valid. Reality doesn't work that way and you don't do anyone any service pretending otherwise.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Issue: Do all scientists who conduct research on the Transcendental Meditation program practice the technique?
Re: "It would be interesting to get researchers of the different schools of meditation from their varying points of view (bias?) together in the same room talking together in considerate ways." It's hard to believe this hasn't happened! "Interfaith dialogue" is the wave of the future. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : fair writing, emily.mae.. It would be interesting to get researchers of the different schools of meditation from their varying points of view (bias?) together in the same room talking together in considerate ways. TM’ers seemed to have tried to strategically co-opt the whole by framing around global alpha-wave coherence as some standard placing everything else as shit. Meditation scientists entrenching on all sides are seeming defended in their camps. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well, nowhere do I see the four Ph.D's that you clipped from TM websites! So, I guess one might say that those statements are not "independent" ones! That's what I supposed. I'm always in favor of digging deeper into a claim, so am happy to see you doing that. Now, why are we having this discussion? As I've said, I'm for any practice that works to give the person what they're looking for. Be it freedom from stress, greater mental clarity, solace in believing one is helping to achieve world peace, etc. You don't need to prove to me that TM is a viable meditation technique. I believe you. I also believe Mindfulness is. http://www.fammed.wisc.edu/mindfulness/research/ http://www.fammed.wisc.edu/mindfulness/research/ Here's one research paper with sources listed. http://marc.ucla.edu/workfiles/pdfs/marc-mindfulness-research-summary.pdf http://marc.ucla.edu/workfiles/pdfs/marc-mindfulness-research-summary.pdf And, about mindfulness in schools... http://www.mindfulschools.org/about-mindfulness/research/ http://www.mindfulschools.org/about-mindfulness/research/ Sounds a whole lot like what TM is purporting to do. In the end, while I understand that those in the TM village believe TM is the bestI play the devil's advocate. TM is expensive. "Awakening" and/or "enlightenment" can take decades to occur or never occur. I am not sold on the TM program as a pathway to a mature "emotional intelligence." (In most, not all cases.) I am not encouraged by the non-stop solicitation by the TMorg for money. I am not a follower of MMY and am not clear that ultimately, "separation of church and state" would be smiled upon by the TM structure. In the textbooks on comparative religion I have read, one thing that jumps out to me is that every culture, religion, philosophy and/or practice has a language and a way of perceiving and translating the world and the universe. While many wars are fought over these micro-differences paired with righteous indignation, the spiritual themes and values that are contemplated—in an attempt to understand the universe, the human condition and live out a worthwhile life in relative peace and happiness—are the same down through the ages by all cultures. TM.org and many TM'ers seem to spend an inordinate amount of time focusing on what makes them so exceptionalexceptionalism. Perhaps, TM is just another meditation technique. Maybe TM has certain strengths others don't and certain weaknesses others don't. Perhaps the reason the TM.org needs and fosters this characteristic of exceptionalism, is so that it will survive (on its own terms.) I'm not knocking you or TM or the passion with which you practice or your belief system. I'm just hoping you keep an open mind to the idea that while TM might be your own personal choice for meditation, your neighbor might find deep meditative fulfillment in fly-fishing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dr. Rosenthal, PhD, explains the key difference between Mindfulness and the Transcen dental Meditation® technique.
Now, this *is* funny! And, of course the good doctor would say this! Here's what Harvard says: https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/meditation-offers-significant-heart-benefits https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/meditation-offers-significant-heart-benefits ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpMXsbemKrk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpMXsbemKrk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Issue: Do all scientists who conduct research on the Transcendental Meditation program practice the technique?
Well, nowhere do I see the four Ph.D's that you clipped from TM websites! So, I guess one might say that those statements are not "independent" ones! That's what I supposed. I'm always in favor of digging deeper into a claim, so am happy to see you doing that. Now, why are we having this discussion? As I've said, I'm for any practice that works to give the person what they're looking for. Be it freedom from stress, greater mental clarity, solace in believing one is helping to achieve world peace, etc. You don't need to prove to me that TM is a viable meditation technique. I believe you. I also believe Mindfulness is. http://www.fammed.wisc.edu/mindfulness/research/ http://www.fammed.wisc.edu/mindfulness/research/ Here's one research paper with sources listed. http://marc.ucla.edu/workfiles/pdfs/marc-mindfulness-research-summary.pdf http://marc.ucla.edu/workfiles/pdfs/marc-mindfulness-research-summary.pdf And, about mindfulness in schools... http://www.mindfulschools.org/about-mindfulness/research/ http://www.mindfulschools.org/about-mindfulness/research/ Sounds a whole lot like what TM is purporting to do. In the end, while I understand that those in the TM village believe TM is the bestI play the devil's advocate. TM is expensive. "Awakening" and/or "enlightenment" can take decades to occur or never occur. I am not sold on the TM program as a pathway to a mature "emotional intelligence." (In most, not all cases.) I am not encouraged by the non-stop solicitation by the TMorg for money. I am not a follower of MMY and am not clear that ultimately, "separation of church and state" would be smiled upon by the TM structure. In the textbooks on comparative religion I have read, one thing that jumps out to me is that every culture, religion, philosophy and/or practice has a language and a way of perceiving and translating the world and the universe. While many wars are fought over these micro-differences paired with righteous indignation, the spiritual themes and values that are contemplated—in an attempt to understand the universe, the human condition and live out a worthwhile life in relative peace and happiness—are the same down through the ages by all cultures. TM.org and many TM'ers seem to spend an inordinate amount of time focusing on what makes them so exceptionalexceptionalism. Perhaps, TM is just another meditation technique. Maybe TM has certain strengths others don't and certain weaknesses others don't. Perhaps the reason the TM.org needs and fosters this characteristic of exceptionalism, is so that it will survive (on its own terms.) I'm not knocking you or TM or the passion with which you practice or your belief system. I'm just hoping you keep an open mind to the idea that while TM might be your own personal choice for meditation, your neighbor might find deep meditative fulfillment in fly-fishing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
[FairfieldLife] Re: Endorsements from Independent Scholars-Maharishi Effect
Correction! ...the evidence is in that meditation assists the mind/body/spirit in *explainable* (and unexplainable) ways. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Excellent series of posts! Wouldn't it be amazing to have a conversation with Dr. Pamela Peeke? I see that you have clipped out your accolades below. If you got them from a TM website, than they are not necessarily "independent." If these people are part of the TM organization and/or doing TM themselves, than they are not, to my way of thinking, independent. In fact, in a court of law, they might need to recuse themselves due to a conflict of interest (depending on what they are testifying to). That doesn't mean that their statements and their credentials can't be presented to market TM. In the one article (and I only looked at the one) I dug into, I found it amusing that all but two of the PhD's listed as authors were from MUM! I see from your posts that, in fact, scads of articles have been published since the 2000's. Good to see. If one takes all the articles on meditation published (all forms and types) and all of the books written and TED talks and conferences, etc., the evidence is in that meditation assists the mind/body/spirit in unexplainable ways. Pretty great, isn't it? Maybe consider participating in this? It isn't practice-specific; they welcome everyone. http://www.globalpeacemeditation.com/ http://www.globalpeacemeditation.com/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : “This work . . . deserves the most serious consideration.” “The claim can be plausibly made that the potential impact of this research exceeds that of any other ongoing social or psychological research program. The research has survived a broader array of statistical tests than most research in the field of conflict resolution. I think this work, and the theory that informs it, deserve the most serious consideration by academics and policy makers alike.” —David Edwards, Ph.D., Professor of Government, University of Texas at Austin “We have to take these studies seriously.” “In the studies that I have examined on the impact of the Maharishi Effect [Brain-Based Approach to Peace] on conflict, I can find no methodological flaws, and the findings have been consistent across a large number of replications in many different geographical and conflictual situations. As unlikely as the premise may sound, I think we have to take these studies seriously.” —Ted Robert Gurr, Ph.D., Emeritus Professor of Government and Politics, University of Maryland “The work is sound.” “The hypothesis definitely raised some eyebrows among our reviewers. But the statistical work is sound. The numbers are there. When you can statistically control for as many variables as these studies do, it makes the results much more convincing. This evidence indicates that we now have a new technology to generate peace in the world.” —Raymond Russ, Ph.D., Professor of Psychology, University of Maine; editor, Journal of Mind and Behavior “This research . . . demands action.” “I have been following the research on the Maharishi Effect [Brain-Based Approach to Peace] as it has developed over the last twenty years. There is now a strong and coherent body of evidence showing that [this approach] provides a simple and cost-effective solution to many of the social problems we face today. This research and its conclusions are so strong, that it demands action from those responsible for government policy.” —Huw Dixon, Ph.D., Professor of Economics, York University, England
[FairfieldLife] Re: Endorsements from Independent Scholars-Maharishi Effect
Excellent series of posts! Wouldn't it be amazing to have a conversation with Dr. Pamela Peeke? I see that you have clipped out your accolades below. If you got them from a TM website, than they are not necessarily "independent." If these people are part of the TM organization and/or doing TM themselves, than they are not, to my way of thinking, independent. In fact, in a court of law, they might need to recuse themselves due to a conflict of interest (depending on what they are testifying to). That doesn't mean that their statements and their credentials can't be presented to market TM. In the one article (and I only looked at the one) I dug into, I found it amusing that all but two of the PhD's listed as authors were from MUM! I see from your posts that, in fact, scads of articles have been published since the 2000's. Good to see. If one takes all the articles on meditation published (all forms and types) and all of the books written and TED talks and conferences, etc., the evidence is in that meditation assists the mind/body/spirit in unexplainable ways. Pretty great, isn't it? Maybe consider participating in this? It isn't practice-specific; they welcome everyone. http://www.globalpeacemeditation.com/ http://www.globalpeacemeditation.com/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : “This work . . . deserves the most serious consideration.” “The claim can be plausibly made that the potential impact of this research exceeds that of any other ongoing social or psychological research program. The research has survived a broader array of statistical tests than most research in the field of conflict resolution. I think this work, and the theory that informs it, deserve the most serious consideration by academics and policy makers alike.” —David Edwards, Ph.D., Professor of Government, University of Texas at Austin “We have to take these studies seriously.” “In the studies that I have examined on the impact of the Maharishi Effect [Brain-Based Approach to Peace] on conflict, I can find no methodological flaws, and the findings have been consistent across a large number of replications in many different geographical and conflictual situations. As unlikely as the premise may sound, I think we have to take these studies seriously.” —Ted Robert Gurr, Ph.D., Emeritus Professor of Government and Politics, University of Maryland “The work is sound.” “The hypothesis definitely raised some eyebrows among our reviewers. But the statistical work is sound. The numbers are there. When you can statistically control for as many variables as these studies do, it makes the results much more convincing. This evidence indicates that we now have a new technology to generate peace in the world.” —Raymond Russ, Ph.D., Professor of Psychology, University of Maine; editor, Journal of Mind and Behavior “This research . . . demands action.” “I have been following the research on the Maharishi Effect [Brain-Based Approach to Peace] as it has developed over the last twenty years. There is now a strong and coherent body of evidence showing that [this approach] provides a simple and cost-effective solution to many of the social problems we face today. This research and its conclusions are so strong, that it demands action from those responsible for government policy.” —Huw Dixon, Ph.D., Professor of Economics, York University, England
[FairfieldLife] Re: the quality of research on TM
It's important to look deeper. Here is the reality of one of the studies. What is claimed as "published" was apparently, from what I could find, a one-page pdf of the study that they hoped to have published and had published online ahead of time. https://www.forbes.com/sites/larryhusten/2011/06/27/archives-decides-at-last-minute-not-to-publish-a-scheduled-paper/#72ab14a1669d https://www.forbes.com/sites/larryhusten/2011/06/27/archives-decides-at-last-minute-not-to-publish-a-scheduled-paper/#72ab14a1669d Note that the majority of actual references to articles published (at bottom of page linked to) are over 30 years old and from the 70's and 80's—a very different time. I certainly don't disagree that TM is good for stress relief and the myriad of associated illnesses. But, of course, one doesn't need research to register personal benefits. I am for anything that changes anyone's life for the better. And, I never weigh in on it's efficacy for achieving "enlightenment" and other examples of living in harmony with the universe and all it's realms and "planes." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research.html#video=10XeslMRbiw https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research.html#video=10XeslMRbiw https://www.forbes.com/sites/larryhusten/2011/06/27/archives-decides-at-last-minute-not-to-publish-a-scheduled-paper/#72ab14a1669d https://www.forbes.com/sites/larryhusten/2011/06/27/archives-decides-at-last-minute-not-to-publish-a-scheduled-paper/#72ab14a1669d ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research.html#video=10XeslMRbiw https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research.html#video=10XeslMRbiw
[FairfieldLife] Re: [twitter]TM and smoking!
"FACT: 50% of smokers quit smoking 2 years into #TranscendentalMeditation https://twitter.com/hashtag/TranscendentalMeditation?src=hash. That's 3 x higher quit rate than with therapy." H.from Wikipedia In the U.S., for example, the rate of unassisted quitting fell from 91.8% in 1986 to 52.1% during 2006 to 2009.[16] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_cessation#cite_note-ReferenceA-16 The most frequent unassisted methods were "cold turkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_turkey";, a term that has been used to mean either unassisted quitting or abrupt quitting [16] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_cessation#cite_note-ReferenceA-16 and "gradually decreased number" of cigarettes, or "cigarette reduction".[17] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_cessation#cite_note-17 The tweet is meaningless without understanding the details. Fifty percent of all smokers? By age? By gender? How is "quit rate" defined? What kind of therapy are we talking about? Group? Nicotine replacement? Other? I'll stop here and leave you guys to it. For those that do, I have no idea how you swallow this stuff without questioningI'm guessing it takes a TM Village. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://twitter.com/TMhome_com/status/918833955750547460 https://twitter.com/TMhome_com/status/918833955750547460
[FairfieldLife] Re: is TM a cult?
And another correction: In this case, it would seem that the TM org and/or MMY followers would qualify as part of a "religious movement" with Melton. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : About J. Gordon Melton's work as a cult apologist (according to this article): http://www.apologeticsindex.org/m06.html http://www.apologeticsindex.org/m06.html His views are that organizations such as Scientology, Children of God, Jonestown, etc. are not cults but rather "new religious movements" or in another interview I read with him personally "minority religions." In this case, it would seem that the TM org would qualify as a "religion" with Melton. As an aside, I think this is the basis for how the chanting pundits are allowed into the U.S.—under the category of "religious workers." FFL had a long discussion on this some time ago (when the the pundits organized a protest). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Correction: The definition David Orme-Johnson has adopted from J. Gordon Melton (his own personal definition). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From your link: The word “cult” has many meanings, but in recent decades it has often been used with a negative connotation to point out a group that others would like to see removed from society. This use of the term is expressed by the prominent religious scholar J. Gordon Melton: "My working definition of a cult is a group that you don't like, and I say that somewhat facetiously, but at the same time, in fact, that is my working definition of a cult. It is a group that somebody doesn't like. It is a derogatory term, and I have never seen it redeemed from the derogatory connotations that it picked up in the sociological literature in the 1930s." (1). Yes, in society today, mostly a pejorative term. The dictionary defines the word more objectively and comprehensively. Using David Orme-Johnson's definition of "It is a group that somebody doesn't like," the TM org could easily be called a cult by those who don't like it! So could so many other things, no? That definition is his own personal definition and not one supported by the dictionary. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/IsTMaCult/index.cfm http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/IsTMaCult/index.cfm
[FairfieldLife] Re: is TM a cult?
About J. Gordon Melton's work as a cult apologist (according to this article): http://www.apologeticsindex.org/m06.html http://www.apologeticsindex.org/m06.html His views are that organizations such as Scientology, Children of God, Jonestown, etc. are not cults but rather "new religious movements" or in another interview I read with him personally "minority religions." In this case, it would seem that the TM org would qualify as a "religion" with Melton. As an aside, I think this is the basis for how the chanting pundits are allowed into the U.S.—under the category of "religious workers." FFL had a long discussion on this some time ago (when the the pundits organized a protest). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Correction: The definition David Orme-Johnson has adopted from J. Gordon Melton (his own personal definition). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From your link: The word “cult” has many meanings, but in recent decades it has often been used with a negative connotation to point out a group that others would like to see removed from society. This use of the term is expressed by the prominent religious scholar J. Gordon Melton: "My working definition of a cult is a group that you don't like, and I say that somewhat facetiously, but at the same time, in fact, that is my working definition of a cult. It is a group that somebody doesn't like. It is a derogatory term, and I have never seen it redeemed from the derogatory connotations that it picked up in the sociological literature in the 1930s." (1). Yes, in society today, mostly a pejorative term. The dictionary defines the word more objectively and comprehensively. Using David Orme-Johnson's definition of "It is a group that somebody doesn't like," the TM org could easily be called a cult by those who don't like it! So could so many other things, no? That definition is his own personal definition and not one supported by the dictionary. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/IsTMaCult/index.cfm http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/IsTMaCult/index.cfm
[FairfieldLife] Re: is TM a cult?
Correction: The definition David Orme-Johnson has adopted from J. Gordon Melton (his own personal definition). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From your link: The word “cult” has many meanings, but in recent decades it has often been used with a negative connotation to point out a group that others would like to see removed from society. This use of the term is expressed by the prominent religious scholar J. Gordon Melton: "My working definition of a cult is a group that you don't like, and I say that somewhat facetiously, but at the same time, in fact, that is my working definition of a cult. It is a group that somebody doesn't like. It is a derogatory term, and I have never seen it redeemed from the derogatory connotations that it picked up in the sociological literature in the 1930s." (1). Yes, in society today, mostly a pejorative term. The dictionary defines the word more objectively and comprehensively. Using David Orme-Johnson's definition of "It is a group that somebody doesn't like," the TM org could easily be called a cult by those who don't like it! So could so many other things, no? That definition is his own personal definition and not one supported by the dictionary. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/IsTMaCult/index.cfm http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/IsTMaCult/index.cfm
[FairfieldLife] Re: is TM a cult?
From your link: The word “cult” has many meanings, but in recent decades it has often been used with a negative connotation to point out a group that others would like to see removed from society. This use of the term is expressed by the prominent religious scholar J. Gordon Melton: "My working definition of a cult is a group that you don't like, and I say that somewhat facetiously, but at the same time, in fact, that is my working definition of a cult. It is a group that somebody doesn't like. It is a derogatory term, and I have never seen it redeemed from the derogatory connotations that it picked up in the sociological literature in the 1930s." (1). Yes, in society today, mostly a pejorative term. The dictionary defines the word more objectively and comprehensively. Using David Orme-Johnson's definition of "It is a group that somebody doesn't like," the TM org could easily be called a cult by those who don't like it! So could so many other things, no? That definition is his own personal definition and not one supported by the dictionary. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/IsTMaCult/index.cfm http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/IsTMaCult/index.cfm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Satan Create Catholicism?
Yes, agreed. "cult" and "fundamentalist" can be pejorative terms, particularly "cult." Jeffress is spouting nonsense. Did you listen to the youtube video? He's claiming some pretty ridiculous things such as worshipping fish gods (methinks he misinterprets history's reason symbol of the fish) and claiming Pontifex Maximus means keeping a bridge between Satan and Man when in fact it means bridge builder. I doubt there are many who really take him seriously, except those who fall for conspiracy theories, of course. Based on the formal definitions, certainly one could talk about the "cult of Jesus," "cult of MMY" or the TM org as a cult. TM as a technique separated from MMY's movement doesn't quite seem to fit the bill. Definition of cult 1:formal religious veneration https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/veneration :worship https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/worship 2:a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also :its body of adherents the cult of Apollo 3:a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious (see spurious https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spurious 2); also :its body of adherents the voodoo cult a satanic cult 4:a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator healthcults 5:great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (such as a film or book) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The term "cult" is a pejorative word indicating that the speaker or writer does not agree with the organization that is labelled as such. Jeffress obviously does not agree with the Roman Catholics' practices and theology. Given that there are about one billion Catholics around the world, he is challenging a very big organization compared to his own denomination. It is clear that Roman Catholics or TMers would not consider themselves as members of a cult. They would more likely call Jeffress as a fundamentalist, another pejorative term referring to his brand of religion. Certainly, it could be said to fall under the definition. So does TM. So do many religions/movements. So, the emperor of Rome probably called the early Christians as the cult of Jesus. But little did he know that the entire Roman Empire would become Christian, when Emperor Constantine became a member of this cult. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult Are you defining this term in a specific context? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Pastor Jeffress thinks so. https://www.yahoo.com/news/did-satan-create-catholicism-trump-175533867.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/did-satan-create-catholicism-trump-175533867.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Satan Create Catholicism?
The term "cult" or "cult-like" as Jeffress is professing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Certainly, it could be said to fall under the definition. So does TM. So do many religions/movements. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult Are you defining this term in a specific context? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Pastor Jeffress thinks so. https://www.yahoo.com/news/did-satan-create-catholicism-trump-175533867.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/did-satan-create-catholicism-trump-175533867.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Satan Create Catholicism?
Certainly, it could be said to fall under the definition. So does TM. So do many religions/movements. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult Are you defining this term in a specific context? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Pastor Jeffress thinks so. https://www.yahoo.com/news/did-satan-create-catholicism-trump-175533867.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/did-satan-create-catholicism-trump-175533867.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roman Catholicism is a cult-like pagan religion,
John, nicely stated. Thank you for clarifying that when you said his reported views are the reason that "Americans are confused about religion," you meant that Jeffress and evangelicals like him are confused—due to the fact that they are interpreting the bible in a limited way. Yes—a real sticking point, I do agree. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, I think Jeffress and evangelicals like him like to interpret the Bible in a limited way. That's why they create tension and division here in this country. But the Bible or any other revered books of wisdom were not created to be dead stories. They are living documents to be interpreted by conscious human beings to determine what is right and just. given the social contexts, environment and human issues applicable for the times. As such, I believe ISIS and other forms of virulent religions have run their course and are recognized as dangerous for human societies by the destruction they have wrought and the evil they have created. In this regard, human consciousness is finding the solutions to the virulence of radical Islam or any other religions. For the time being, the bombs that rained against supporters ISIS have brought forth the downfall of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. Who's next? Kim Jong Un? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What is one of the reasons Americans are confused about religion? Which Americans? Which religions? Jeffress and other "Christian Nationalists" have been in the news more recently because they have circled their wagons around T.Rump in an effort to get their militant agenda forwarded. Jeffress does not represent the great majority of evangelists (see article) and is not a mouthpiece for Christians of virtually any denomination. https://thinkprogress.org/trump-authority-god-470ec01aec6f/ https://thinkprogress.org/trump-authority-god-470ec01aec6f/ The word "cult" has to be specifically defined and placed into historical, political, and social context to have any meaning. I have no idea what he thinks of TM, but I'm guessing that given his "Christian" beliefs, he would consider it yet another surreptitious offspring of Satan. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : An Evangelical Pastor Robert Jeffress said recently. He also thinks Mormonism is a cult. This is one of the reasons that Americans are confused about religion. Further, one wonders what he thinks about TM? http://www.newsweek.com/did-satan-create-catholicism-trump-supporting-pastor-robert-jeffress-thinks-so-690176 http://www.newsweek.com/did-satan-create-catholicism-trump-supporting-pastor-robert-jeffress-thinks-so-690176
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roman Catholicism is a cult-like pagan religion,
What is one of the reasons Americans are confused about religion? Which Americans? Which religions? Jeffress and other "Christian Nationalists" have been in the news more recently because they have circled their wagons around T.Rump in an effort to get their militant agenda forwarded. Jeffress does not represent the great majority of evangelists (see article) and is not a mouthpiece for Christians of virtually any denomination. https://thinkprogress.org/trump-authority-god-470ec01aec6f/ https://thinkprogress.org/trump-authority-god-470ec01aec6f/ The word "cult" has to be specifically defined and placed into historical, political, and social context to have any meaning. I have no idea what he thinks of TM, but I'm guessing that given his "Christian" beliefs, he would consider it yet another surreptitious offspring of Satan. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : An Evangelical Pastor Robert Jeffress said recently. He also thinks Mormonism is a cult. This is one of the reasons that Americans are confused about religion. Further, one wonders what he thinks about TM? http://www.newsweek.com/did-satan-create-catholicism-trump-supporting-pastor-robert-jeffress-thinks-so-690176 http://www.newsweek.com/did-satan-create-catholicism-trump-supporting-pastor-robert-jeffress-thinks-so-690176
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva and quantum mechanics
"As the wise proverb observes, you should never make fun of a fellow human being, until you have bounced a mile in his buttocks." —Rex Murphy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Murphy on Doug Henning's Natural Law Party https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Natural_Law_Party ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hmmm... is yogic butt bouncing somehow comparable to the walking Buddhist meditation Maharishi talks about??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?
O.K. I get it. Here is simplified discussion that explains it in a way I can understand. It talks of how a person behaves when the gunas are "overcome" in a human being. Basically, it sounds pretty much like non-reactive detachment, objective assessment from a place of equanimity, a conscious connection with "divine" energy. http://www.hinduwebsite.com/gunas.asp http://www.hinduwebsite.com/gunas.asp MMY was Hindu. Basically all of his teachings reflect Hinduism. Hinduism is not opposed to Christianity, necessarily (although Christianity would, in theory, be opposed to Hinduism). He adds his personal twist. TM is a meditation technique that can be divorced from the underlying philosophy/religion from which it emerged through MMY. So is mindfulness or yoga. However, if one desires to look at the philosophy underlying the progression through these states of consciousness, to, as MMY seems to believe, be able to achieve "moksha" in this lifetime, one will be introduced to the Guru and to Hinduism. I am still blown away by this bold assertion of his, particularly if applied to guarantees for the masses. (John, I thought this was your own personal idea, which is why I pressed you on it.) However, it could be truewe don't *really* know, imho. Having never met MMY or studied his teachings, I don't have the qualifications to discuss his translations or beliefs. But, I do attempt to understand the concepts of what is being said, from a layman's perspective. It's a learning experience for me as I travel along. Thanks for putting up with me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : BG III 27: prakRteH kriyamaaNaani guNaiH karmaaNi sarvasaH || ahan.kaara-vimuuDhaatmaa kartaaham iti manyate. MMY's translation: Actions are in every case performed by the guNas of Nature. He whose mind is deluded by the sense of 'I' holds 'I am the doer'.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?
Fascinating. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thx, the definitiveness of MMY's assertion as stated before is his personal opinion. In the Kriya Yoga Tradition, even advanced Yogis who can leave their bodies at will may have karma to work out, in which case they ascend to the Hiranyaloka astral plane to be instructed by Sri Yukteswar. Available online in the Autobiography of a Yogi, chapter entitled "The Resurrection of Sri Yukteswar". ... "As prophets are sent on earth to help men work out their physical karma, so I have been directed by God to serve on an astral planet as a savior," Sri Yukteswar explained. "It is called Hiranyaloka or 'Illumined Astral Planet.' There I am aiding advanced beings to rid themselves of astral karma and thus attain liberation from astral rebirths. The dwellers on Hiranyaloka are highly developed spiritually; all of them had acquired, in their last earth-incarnation, the meditation-given power of consciously leaving their physical bodies at death. No one can enter Hiranyaloka unless he has passed on earth beyond the state of sabikalpa samadhi into the higher state of nirbikalpa Samadhi There is a similar set of assertions in the Sant Mat Tradition. Jai Guru Sri Yukteswar "
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?
It is true that one can only surmise about what one doesn't have direct experience of. I am not questioning the TM technique, transcending, or CC as a state of being. I was questioning whether innate qualities in a human being (gunas) can be dispelled. I was primarily curious as to your definitive statement that attaining CC frees one from one's karma...in *this* lifetime. That isn't something I believe we can know and so I wanted to better understand why you wrote this. You haven't yet addressed it, however, and I'm fine with leaving the conversation where it lies. P.S. I have known one person who believes that they have addressed all their karma in this lifetime and will not have to suffer through another incarnation. I remain skeptical of all such claims. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, The simplest way for me to describe the technique is that all TMers can experience transcendental consciousness or bliss consciousness, although the experience is only temporary. Other meditators call it "samadhi", which is the generic term to describe this level of consciousness. TM studies have quantified this state in terms of brain wave data. The meditator can have replicable and repeated experience of this TC which is described by MMY in his commentarty to the Gita and the "Science of Being and the Art of Living." It's not difficult to imagine what cosmic consciousness would be like--which is permanent bliss consciousness during the waking, dreaming and deep sleep states The facts that you copied in Wikipedia are correct. But they lack the first hand experience of "transcending" during the TM practice. As you get familiar with transcending you can read MMY's commentary to the Gita to compare your experience with what MMY was describing. The only way for you to understand MMY's commentarty is to experience the process of transcending which will eventually give you the knowledge of what cosmic consciousness or the higher states of consciousness would be like. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : John, you write with a lot of clarity and responded to the "bondage" associated with being influenced by Gunas, as interpreted through MMY. Wikipedia says the following about Guna "Chapters 3, 7, 13, 14, 17 and 18 of Bhagavad Gita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita discuss Guna.[27] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-ckc-27 Verse 17.2 refers to the three Guna – sattvic, rajasic and tamasic – as innate nature (psychology or personality of an individual).[28] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-28[29] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-gideon-29 Sattvic guna is one driven by what is pure, truth, compassionate, without craving, doing the right because it is right, positive and good. Tamasic guna is one driven by what is impure, dark, destructive, aimed to hurt another, contemptuous, negative and vicious. Rajasic guna is one that is ego-driven, out of personal passion, active, ostentatious, seeking the approval of others.[27] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-ckc-27[29] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-gideon-29 " I am questioning this sentence: "MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and enlightenment. Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in this lifetime." Specifically, I am questioning your statement that attaining cosmic consciousness and enlightenment (as defined by MMY) will free a person from the bondage of actions and Karma in this lifetime. Perhaps you mean that TM helps to *smooth out* the influence or intensity of the "gunas," as qualities in a personality. These gunas, *innate* as they are to human personality are never fully eliminated or "dispelled" are they? There was ample evidence here during the first couple of years I was here, that in fact, TM meditation or not, these Gunas representing feelings and actions (e.g., compassion, contempt) were alive and well in all the posters. I also question the idea that attaining "enlightenment" by way of a TM practice will free one from one's karma (I assume you mean negative) *in this lifetime.* That is a very bold statement. How do you know this? Is it something we can know, as human beings? Perhaps it is more that TM meditation serves as a tool to resolve and put to rest perceived negative karma in this lifetime, perhaps as a result of new actions reflecting the qualities of a Sattvic guna . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, The Gita states that humans are in bondage due to the gunas and karma. MMY mentions in his commentary that we are all affected by the gunas since these are related to the basic elements such as earth, water, fire, air and ether. Since we are composed of these elements, we are therefore a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?
John, you write with a lot of clarity and responded to the "bondage" associated with being influenced by Gunas, as interpreted through MMY. Wikipedia says the following about Guna "Chapters 3, 7, 13, 14, 17 and 18 of Bhagavad Gita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita discuss Guna.[27] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-ckc-27 Verse 17.2 refers to the three Guna – sattvic, rajasic and tamasic – as innate nature (psychology or personality of an individual).[28] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-28[29] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-gideon-29 Sattvic guna is one driven by what is pure, truth, compassionate, without craving, doing the right because it is right, positive and good. Tamasic guna is one driven by what is impure, dark, destructive, aimed to hurt another, contemptuous, negative and vicious. Rajasic guna is one that is ego-driven, out of personal passion, active, ostentatious, seeking the approval of others.[27] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-ckc-27[29] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-gideon-29 " I am questioning this sentence: "MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and enlightenment. Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in this lifetime." Specifically, I am questioning your statement that attaining cosmic consciousness and enlightenment (as defined by MMY) will free a person from the bondage of actions and Karma in this lifetime. Perhaps you mean that TM helps to *smooth out* the influence or intensity of the "gunas," as qualities in a personality. These gunas, *innate* as they are to human personality are never fully eliminated or "dispelled" are they? There was ample evidence here during the first couple of years I was here, that in fact, TM meditation or not, these Gunas representing feelings and actions (e.g., compassion, contempt) were alive and well in all the posters. I also question the idea that attaining "enlightenment" by way of a TM practice will free one from one's karma (I assume you mean negative) *in this lifetime.* That is a very bold statement. How do you know this? Is it something we can know, as human beings? Perhaps it is more that TM meditation serves as a tool to resolve and put to rest perceived negative karma in this lifetime, perhaps as a result of new actions reflecting the qualities of a Sattvic guna . ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, The Gita states that humans are in bondage due to the gunas and karma. MMY mentions in his commentary that we are all affected by the gunas since these are related to the basic elements such as earth, water, fire, air and ether. Since we are composed of these elements, we are therefore affected by the gunas-- and so are the other living beings that inhabit the earth. The TM tradition interprets the method to avoid the influence of the "gunas" by merely being without them as stated in Chapter 2 of the Gita. This is the reason why TMers meditate to dispel these gunas. Hence, over time the meditator can learn to maintain transcendental consciousness or "bliss consciousness" during the waking portion of our life. Over time, the bliss consciousness can be maintained during the sleeping and dreaming stage of life. When bliss consciousness if permanently maintained during the various stages of life, the TM tradition states that the person has reached "cosmic consciousness", the level in which the person attains "heaven here on earth". These are all mentioned in MMY's commentary to the Gita. He also wrote about these in his "Science of Being and Art of Living". In my opinion, this is the gift that Guru Dev and MMY have brought to the world. Any more questions? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Just fyi, I wasn't questioning the first sentence here. I was questioning the second sentence and how you know this. "MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and enlightenment. Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in this lifetime. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yifuxero, I've read MMY's commentary to the B Gita several times over the years. And I've always found something insightful about TM and its relationship to the Gita. His commentary gives a first hand account of how to understand the the meditation experience as to what is transcendental conscious and when one has reached cosmic consciousness or God consciousness.. These terms are specific and are unique to the TM method. But the other meditation techniques probably have the same levels of consciousness but are labelled with different names. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thx Jr_esq for your comment below: "MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead o
[FairfieldLife] Napa County Fires
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?
Just fyi, I wasn't questioning the first sentence here. I was questioning the second sentence and how you know this. "MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and enlightenment. Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in this lifetime. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yifuxero, I've read MMY's commentary to the B Gita several times over the years. And I've always found something insightful about TM and its relationship to the Gita. His commentary gives a first hand account of how to understand the the meditation experience as to what is transcendental conscious and when one has reached cosmic consciousness or God consciousness.. These terms are specific and are unique to the TM method. But the other meditation techniques probably have the same levels of consciousness but are labelled with different names. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thx Jr_esq for your comment below: "MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and enlightenment. Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in this lifetime. As such, it is possible to be detached or maintain Self consciousness permanently while engaging in actions while living here on earth. MMY coined the phrase, "heaven on earth." Right, that's MMY's opinion, but there are differences in some other Traditions. Also, the notion that Enlightened people are free from the bondage of karma, this may not be true. The Self is already free from karma no matter what state, but we are talking about the relative body and subtle body. How about the cases of notorious Enlightened (probably) Gurus who abuse women and are obviously greedy? Are they free? I dount it! Some example of different opinions in other Traditions: 1. In the Sant Mat Tradition, people are not free of karma until they are able to travel out of the body at will, including at the time of death. 2. In the Kriya Yoga Tradition,, freedom from the clutches of karma requires to signs of development:: First, Enlightenment, and Second, being able to travel out of the body at the time of death, (willfully and at the time of one's choosing)). This grants the candidate entry into the Higher astral plane, Hiranyaloka, which is occupied by many types of Beings, but also those Enlightened people who have not fully worked out their karma. But again, this is only for the advanced Enlightened people who can travel out of their bodies willfully at the time of death. Then, after staying in Hiranyaloka for a time and being instructed by Advanced Teachers such as Sri Yukteswar, only then are they able to access the Causal plane. All of this is discussed in the article "The Resurrection of Sri Yukteswar", (enter that into Google). It's a Chapter in Yogananda's Autobiography of a Yogi. SHALOM ."
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?
I see. I am extremely skeptical of such a claim for so many reasons that I won't get into them here. Its quite likely also we understand the word karma differently. MMY didn't coin the phrase, but perhaps he gave it his own definition, pursuant to the virtues of practicing TM. Thanks for the conversation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and enlightenment. Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in this lifetime. As such, it is possible to be detached or maintain Self consciousness permanently while engaging in actions while living here on earth. MMY coined the phrase, "heaven on earth." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, The TM tradition and what MMY was saying are saying exactly the opposite of what you're saying. What did I say that is exactly opposite to what MMY and the TM tradition are saying? And then, why is what I said, whatever that is, exactly the opposite? I am curious. IOW, it is possible to maintain bliss consciousness in the midst of engaging in action. Did I say that it wasn't? You have to read MMY's commentary to the B Gita to understand his point. Even if you don't fully understand it, experiencing the process of transcending will eventually give you the knowledge that you need and enjoy. The beautiful thing about scripture and stories in any religion is that because they are allegorical to very large degree they are interpreted and reinterpreted across the ages. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : John, regardless of how the gunas may affect you, that does not change that fact that you are the author of your actions. And in that Brahman exists eternally without change and in that the ultimate reality of the individual soul is identical with that of the Universe, then it is only appearances that change. I would argue that you are experiencing divine consciousness, by virtue of living an ordinary or extraordinary life, whether you realize it or not. It is not possible to act in the world without influence from karma or action, imho. The beautiful thing about scripture and stories in any religion is that because they are allegorical to very large degree they are interpreted and reinterpreted across the ages. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, For most Americans and people who've grown up in the traditional western culture, usiing the term the "gunas" is a foreign word and concept. We were brought to claim responsibility for our own actions. Thus, it is inconceivable to have a foreign entity or mode of nature to take ownership of our own actions. The idea is similar to the idea that the kingdom of God is within you, as you have quoted from Luke. MMY even says that the gunas are the powers of nature that come from God. In simple terms, the gunas include the basic elements of nature such as, water, fire, earth, air and ether. They are part of us and vice versa. Thus, our thinking process and consciousness are influenced by these basic elements. MMY has explained this concept in his commentary to the B. Gita. But in my opinion, it is the natural way to explain what Jesus meant by the kingdom of God. It also explains how we can act in the world without stress and influence from karma or action. Intellectual understanding of the process is not needed. It is experienced by the process of transcending while in meditation. This process is now more natural and familiar compared to some evangelicals, like a pastor from the Philippines, who claims that he is the appointed son of God. He's even stated that we are now in the stage of "rapture" as stated in Revelations. Moreover, he claims to have inherited the resurrected body of Christ. Is he crazy? But he has a worldwide following. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 1) You are the author of your actions. 2) Perhaps in living in the world of ordinary existence you *are* experiencing divine consciousness! "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:21 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : According to the B Gita, as explained by MMY, it is the gunas. But how can we experience divine consciousness despite acting in the world of ordinary existence?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?
Hmso this is talking of a "relative you." Good explanation. Thanks. So what you are saying is that the "relative you" is not the author of one's actions. Theoretically or philosophically you may be correct—the word "author" can be defined using different contexts, as you note. Really, it seems that what you are saying is that the "relative you" is not the *only* authorthat the cause of one's actions, or author, is attributable to many considerations. Considering the gunas as primary qualities or elements could implicate them also as causal elements in a relative you, psychologically, and tangibly in a physical you. Still, given the "relative free will" that one has in choosing the "relative deeds" that one does, the "relative you" is still author (and agent) of one's "relative actions" with respect to this "relative incarnation" on this "relative planet." Yes? I have recently been pondering this term "True self." I haven't looked it up or done any real reading on it or anything, but I wonder what it means? Seems like there is such a push to discover such a thing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : There's a problem with the notion of a "you". The relative you and me doesn't end at the skin. There are countless karmic antecedents and interactions with contributing influences. To use an analogy, say there's a tiny whirlpool at the edge of a larger stream. The whirlpool merges with the Total stream in a transitionary way such that we can't establish exactly where the whirlpool begins and ends. The entire stream is actually the cause of the whirlpool (the latter being a part). Saying the Gunas is more accurate than saying a "you" since the relative you l is like the tiny whirlpool. At times, the tiny whirlpool may grow larger with smaller pools growing around It. Therefore, causation is difficult to assign to a particular body independent of the whole., although it's true that that "That" particular body did most of the acting, and is thus an agent. ..But not an completely independent agent. the Vegas shooter was a tiny whirlpool in the midst of a strem, sucking in thousands of people in a chain of causation. All of the causes (as Gunas), came together in that guy, Stephen. Yes, he's the agent, but along with countless other contributing factors. The totality of those causes manifest as Gunas and is a larger type of whirlpool. The energy was simply focused on his body while he fired those bullets. SHALOM However, given the free will that we supposedly have in choosing the deeds that we do, it would seem to me that for all I have recently been pondering this term "True self." I haven't looked it up or done any real reading on it or anything, but I wonder what it means? Seems like there is such a push to discover such a thing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : There's a problem with the notion of a "you". The relative you and me doesn't end at the skin. There are countless karmic antecedents and interactions with contributing influences. To use an analogy, say there's a tiny whirlpool at the edge of a larger stream. The whirlpool merges with the Total stream in a transitionary way such that we can't establish exactly where the whirlpool begins and ends. The entire stream is actually the cause of the whirlpool (the latter being a part). Saying the Gunas is more accurate than saying a "you" since the relative you l is like the tiny whirlpool. At times, the tiny whirlpool may grow larger with smaller pools growing around It. Therefore, causation is difficult to assign to a particular body independent of the whole., although it's true that that "That" particular body did most of the acting, and is thus an agent. ..But not an completely independent agent. the Vegas shooter was a tiny whirlpool in the midst of a strem, sucking in thousands of people in a chain of causation. All of the causes (as Gunas), came together in that guy, Stephen. Yes, he's the agent, but along with countless other contributing factors. The totality of those causes manifest as Gunas and is a larger type of whirlpool. The energy was simply focused on his body while he fired those bullets. SHALOM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?
Hmmm.Does not Hinduism believe in the soul? Let's say, for discussion's sake, that I am equating the word "you" with soul. Then, *you* are the author of your actionsliving out, resolving and creating karma, influenced by the gunas, in spite of and despite countless contributing factors. Now, perhaps we are defining the word "you" differently? Hypothetically absolute versus relative? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Right, it's the Gunas. The idea that a "you" is problematic since the components that comprise the relative "you" are . interconnected with the environment, and in a deterministic worldview the precise author can't be determined due to the countless contributing factors. Thus, the "author" as MMY says could only be the Gunas, within the context of the Totality and of an individual body mind, the latter often being identified as a direct physical agent. Since karma is unfathomable, that means that countless prior causes may have contributed to the Vegas killer's actions, and the actual physical act is the tip of a huge iceberg of contributing factors. For purposes of justice, only the direct agent is held accountable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, The TM tradition and what MMY was saying are saying exactly the opposite of what you're saying. What did I say that is exactly opposite to what MMY and the TM tradition are saying? And then, why is what I said, whatever that is, exactly the opposite? I am curious. IOW, it is possible to maintain bliss consciousness in the midst of engaging in action. Did I say that it wasn't? You have to read MMY's commentary to the B Gita to understand his point. Even if you don't fully understand it, experiencing the process of transcending will eventually give you the knowledge that you need and enjoy. The beautiful thing about scripture and stories in any religion is that because they are allegorical to very large degree they are interpreted and reinterpreted across the ages. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : John, regardless of how the gunas may affect you, that does not change that fact that you are the author of your actions. And in that Brahman exists eternally without change and in that the ultimate reality of the individual soul is identical with that of the Universe, then it is only appearances that change. I would argue that you are experiencing divine consciousness, by virtue of living an ordinary or extraordinary life, whether you realize it or not. It is not possible to act in the world without influence from karma or action, imho. The beautiful thing about scripture and stories in any religion is that because they are allegorical to very large degree they are interpreted and reinterpreted across the ages. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, For most Americans and people who've grown up in the traditional western culture, usiing the term the "gunas" is a foreign word and concept. We were brought to claim responsibility for our own actions. Thus, it is inconceivable to have a foreign entity or mode of nature to take ownership of our own actions. The idea is similar to the idea that the kingdom of God is within you, as you have quoted from Luke. MMY even says that the gunas are the powers of nature that come from God. In simple terms, the gunas include the basic elements of nature such as, water, fire, earth, air and ether. They are part of us and vice versa. Thus, our thinking process and consciousness are influenced by these basic elements. MMY has explained this concept in his commentary to the B. Gita. But in my opinion, it is the natural way to explain what Jesus meant by the kingdom of God. It also explains how we can act in the world without stress and influence from karma or action. Intellectual understanding of the process is not needed. It is experienced by the process of transcending while in meditation. This process is now more natural and familiar compared to some evangelicals, like a pastor from the Philippines, who claims that he is the appointed son of God. He's even stated that we are now in the stage of "rapture" as stated in Revelations. Moreover, he claims to have inherited the resurrected body of Christ. Is he crazy? But he has a worldwide following. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 1) You are the author of your actions. 2) Perhaps in living in the world of ordinary existence you *are* experiencing divine consciousness! "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:21 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : According to the B Gita, as explained by MMY, it is the gunas. But how can we experience divine consciousness despite acting in the world of ordinary existence?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?
John, regardless of how the gunas may affect you, that does not change that fact that you are the author of your actions. And in that Brahman exists eternally without change and in that the ultimate reality of the individual soul is identical with that of the Universe, then it is only appearances that change. I would argue that you are experiencing divine consciousness, by virtue of living an ordinary or extraordinary life, whether you realize it or not. It is not possible to act in the world without influence from karma or action, imho. The beautiful thing about scripture and stories in any religion is that because they are allegorical to very large degree they are interpreted and reinterpreted across the ages. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, For most Americans and people who've grown up in the traditional western culture, usiing the term the "gunas" is a foreign word and concept. We were brought to claim responsibility for our own actions. Thus, it is inconceivable to have a foreign entity or mode of nature to take ownership of our own actions. The idea is similar to the idea that the kingdom of God is within you, as you have quoted from Luke. MMY even says that the gunas are the powers of nature that come from God. In simple terms, the gunas include the basic elements of nature such as, water, fire, earth, air and ether. They are part of us and vice versa. Thus, our thinking process and consciousness are influenced by these basic elements. MMY has explained this concept in his commentary to the B. Gita. But in my opinion, it is the natural way to explain what Jesus meant by the kingdom of God. It also explains how we can act in the world without stress and influence from karma or action. Intellectual understanding of the process is not needed. It is experienced by the process of transcending while in meditation. This process is now more natural and familiar compared to some evangelicals, like a pastor from the Philippines, who claims that he is the appointed son of God. He's even stated that we are now in the stage of "rapture" as stated in Revelations. Moreover, he claims to have inherited the resurrected body of Christ. Is he crazy? But he has a worldwide following. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 1) You are the author of your actions. 2) Perhaps in living in the world of ordinary existence you *are* experiencing divine consciousness! "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:21 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : According to the B Gita, as explained by MMY, it is the gunas. But how can we experience divine consciousness despite acting in the world of ordinary existence?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pad dock: *slamist?
Exactly. What credibility? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Carde, ISIS does not have a good reputation to keep in the first place. It spreads lies and recruits ignorant young people to kill for them in the name of a virulent form of Islam. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Rather stupid from Daesh (Isis) to make that claim, and lose all credibility?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?
1) You are the author of your actions. 2) Perhaps in living in the world of ordinary existence you *are* experiencing divine consciousness! "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:21 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : According to the B Gita, as explained by MMY, it is the gunas. But how can we experience divine consciousness despite acting in the world of ordinary existence?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pad dock: *slamist?
Reported as a fact, not an opinion. FBI: Las Vegas Shooter Stephen Paddock Didn't Have Any Connection to ISIS Associated Press http://time.com/author/associated-press/ Updated: Oct 02, 2017 12:03 PM ET http://time.com/4965058/las-vegas-shooting-isis/# http://time.com/4965058/las-vegas-shooting-isis/# (LAS VEGAS) — The FBI says the shooter who killed 58 people and injured more than 500 others at a Las Vegas concert had no connection to an international terrorist group. The announcement from Special Agent in Charge Aaron Rouse at a news conference Monday comes after ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack without providing evidence. The extremist group claimed that the shooter was "a soldier" who had converted to Islam months ago. It has made exaggerated or false claims in the past. Authorities have yet to identify a motive for the shooting but say they believe 64-year-old Stephen Craig Paddock acted alone. He killed himself after the shooting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What is your opinion?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Killing of History
I get it. Pilgar is a long-time activist and calls foul on western imperialism and denial thereof. In this article, Pilgar's outrage over the one line *in the beginning* of the documentary is way overblown and his mind seems to snap shut at the point Bank of America is id'd as a sponsor. Don't think I don't get the sad irony that David H. Koch is also listed—I cringed each and every time I saw the name. Pilgar doesn't seem to have watched the entire thing, unfortunately, and his article rambles on and on about topics unrelated, given the vast material he could have written about. There are other reviews out there by other activists against imperialism focusing in on that same line and taking issue with points of history and perspectives and details that either were or weren't included. One of Pilgar's reasons for his contention that the film is not operating in good faith is because: "In the series’ press release in Britain — the BBC will show it — there is no mention of Vietnamese dead, only Americans." Whateverthe film states this number as at least 2 million and the U.S. loss at around 60,000 (I'm rounding). To say that this film serves an imperialist agenda and write it off as such is a response based in angry cynicism, imo. It masterfully weaves the political history of Vietnam (yes, dating back to the imperialist French) and the U.S., reams and reams of wartime and political footage, and a lock-step analysis of what was happening in Vietnam and in the U.S. during this long era, with ongoing personal storylines and interviews of U.S. and Vietnamese veterans (I found the Vietnamese veteran interviews really interesting) and family members. It is obvious that there was a huge effort to ensure the documentary was fact driven and unbiased in its telling. In no way is U.S. involvement and the impetus for our involvement soft-pedaled. What comes across viscerally is the ugly underbelly of war and also the human cost to hearts and souls—all of them. And, I'm sorry, but Peter Coyote is a great narrator. This documentary is for those who think they know all and enough about Vietnam or for those that don't believe that it couldn't happen again. It's brilliant. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : https://consortiumnews.com/2017/09/21/the-killing-of-history/ https://consortiumnews.com/2017/09/21/the-killing-of-history/
[FairfieldLife] Lee Pearson
Saw him today as part of a Chris Botti show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYp5wKQ29HE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYp5wKQ29HE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trump Ignore pleas to calm tensions with N Korea
Well, based on the number of countries that have been trading with North Korea, I'd say he's partaking in international relations—as needed. "With the North Korean nuclear threat escalating https://www.axios.com/diplo-tweeting-and-the-cycle-of-escalation-with-north-korea-2481029200.html, President Trump tweeted https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/904377075049656322 that he is "considering ... stopping all trade with any country doing business with North Korea." Here are the countries that trade with North Korea, based on 2015 data http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/prk/#Imports from MIT's Observatory of Economic Complexity. China is the biggest player, buying 83% of North Korean exports and selling 85% of the goods that North Korea imports. China is also the United States' largest trade partner. The countries traded $578 billion in goods last year. India is second, accounting for 3.5% of exports and 3.1% of imports from North Korea. All told, Asian countries buy 92% of North Korean exports and source 93% of North Korean imports Russia is a European leader in North Korean trade, but accounts for less than 2% of imports and exports. Over 100 additional countries trade with North Korea, including France, Mexico, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Brazil and Chile. North Korea's exports increased 54% from $1.83 billion to $2.83 billion from 2010 to 2015. Coal comprises a third of North Korean exports, and garments represent another third." ~Axios Kim doesn't think he can run the world as he runs his own country. He'd like to keep his own country and also re-unify the Korean Peninsula, I'm guessing (but that ain't happening any time soon.) We have no idea if he is ignoring the economic pressures coming from the UN or not. The latest round was just enacted a couple of weeks ago. I agree that any allies he might have had are doing an about-face. It's a dangerous and volatile situation, imo. Trump is a lonely guy. He has no real friends; all his relationships are purely transactional ones. He would likely be the first to say that friendships (as defined by most) have no place in business or political success. When you say Kim's days are numbered, what do you mean? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, Kim Jong Un has not been dealing with the rest of the world. He thinks he can run the world as he is ruling his country. He does not respect any authority above his own. This is the result of inheriting the authority from his father, who ruled N Korea with an iron hand. Increasingly, he is becoming more independent from the neighboring economic powers like China and Japan. He is similarly ignoring the economic pressures coming from the UN and, more likely, hidden organizations like the Illuminati, the Mafia and the rest of the underworld. From what I can tell, he has no friends and allies. How can he succeed? While I don't agree with Trump's way of leading the USA, he at least knows he needs friends to succeed in politics and business. This is the reason why I believe the "rocket man" 's days are numbered. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : John, I beg to differ. Kim Jong Un has been the leader of his country far longer than Trump has ours. Kim has been dealing with international relations far longer than the 6 months that T.Rump has been on stage. T.Rump is the real beginner here and he has absolutely no idea of East Asia, it's history, it's culture, it's way of communicating, etc. and knows nothing about any of the powers he has to contend with. T.Rumps words are inflammatory and dangerous. I think he should shut up and let the sanctions play out and listen to the advice of others. I'm guessing the rest of East Asia would appreciate that. You'll note that he backtracked a bit—as long as both T.Rump and Kim Jong Un are able to save face, perhaps this will resolve through diplomacy. I don't think that any of us should be so bold as to suggest that T.Rump is saying what he is because he has dedicated his distracted brain to rational considerations. Nor do I think we can suppose how long Kim will be around. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, We're actually witnessing a high powered international chess game between beginner and seasoned veteran chess player. The beginner is obviously Kim Jong Un. He doesn't know how to play the game and is unaware of the strategies of the game and is clueless as to the various ranks of the various pieces in the game in order to win. He's thinking the game is between he and Trump, ignoring the other pieces that are involved to win. As of date, he has ignored the support and counsel of other nations and economic powers in Asia or the rest of the world to win the game. This is the reason why Trump is saying that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trump Ignore pleas to calm tensions with N Korea
John, I beg to differ. Kim Jong Un has been the leader of his country far longer than Trump has ours. Kim has been dealing with international relations far longer than the 6 months that T.Rump has been on stage. T.Rump is the real beginner here and he has absolutely no idea of East Asia, it's history, it's culture, it's way of communicating, etc. and knows nothing about any of the powers he has to contend with. T.Rumps words are inflammatory and dangerous. I think he should shut up and let the sanctions play out and listen to the advice of others. I'm guessing the rest of East Asia would appreciate that. You'll note that he backtracked a bit—as long as both T.Rump and Kim Jong Un are able to save face, perhaps this will resolve through diplomacy. I don't think that any of us should be so bold as to suggest that T.Rump is saying what he is because he has dedicated his distracted brain to rational considerations. Nor do I think we can suppose how long Kim will be around. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, We're actually witnessing a high powered international chess game between beginner and seasoned veteran chess player. The beginner is obviously Kim Jong Un. He doesn't know how to play the game and is unaware of the strategies of the game and is clueless as to the various ranks of the various pieces in the game in order to win. He's thinking the game is between he and Trump, ignoring the other pieces that are involved to win. As of date, he has ignored the support and counsel of other nations and economic powers in Asia or the rest of the world to win the game. This is the reason why Trump is saying that Kim will not be around for much longer due to the tremendous economic powers he is going against, not to mention the powers of Nature that uphold life here on earth. On the other hand, Trump is no grand master at this game. But at least he knows the various powers he has contend with in order to win the game. For this reason, I believe Kim Jong Un will only be the "rocket man" for a short time in world affairs. He will ultimately be a target of assassination by his own people or various countries surrounding N Korea, not to mention the American special forces who are willing to take Kim out, much like Osama bin Laden in Pakistan. Trump has a reptilian brain. He isn't "playing" anything and he has no strategy. His MO is simple and he does the same thing with every situation. Easy peasy to figure and predict. Kim Jong Un is not tethered to any reality we are familiar with and T.Rump's escalation should be denounced by our representatives as crazy talk, plain and simple. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think Trump is playing high stakes poker with Kim Jong Un. He wants to know if Kim will blink when US nuclear missiles are aimed at him. If Kim cowers down, Trump will take advantage of it one way or another. Kim doesn't know it, but he's being manipulated by the master salesman. https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-says-trump-declared-war-165250742.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-says-trump-declared-war-165250742.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trump Ignore pleas to calm tensions with N Korea
Trump has a reptilian brain. He isn't "playing" anything and he has no strategy. His MO is simple and he does the same thing with every situation. Easy peasy to figure and predict. Kim Jong Un is not tethered to any reality we are familiar with and T.Rump's escalation should be denounced by our representatives as crazy talk, plain and simple. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think Trump is playing high stakes poker with Kim Jong Un. He wants to know if Kim will blink when US nuclear missiles are aimed at him. If Kim cowers down, Trump will take advantage of it one way or another. Kim doesn't know it, but he's being manipulated by the master salesman. https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-says-trump-declared-war-165250742.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-says-trump-declared-war-165250742.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: US has "declared" war against N. Korea
Kim is escalating the rhetoric. The US has not declared war. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Therefore, Kim's troops will shoot down any US bombers in its airspace.
[FairfieldLife] Healthcare Call
From NY Times: If you’re one of those people who’s been calling senators and urging them not to take health coverage from millions of people, don’t stop. The Senate switchboard remains open: (202) 224-3121 http://p.nytimes.com/email/re?location=vzewYO/FHLSQRVlZShxTeARLrfBu9cO2dXjRwH50OY4=&campaign_id=69&instance_id=103807&segment_id=113794&user_id=c2919fee25b814181afbb92c42f58de0®i_id=76920369.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Waging Radical Peace, A Call to Group Meditations
Also good is Ken Burn's documentary on the Vietnam War. And, the Fog of War is good too, a McNamara documentary. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Important perspective to Take. ..Watch of this Frontline documentary now.. Frontline 1996 The Gulf War (Complete) - Comprehensive and critical analysis of the 1990-1991 war https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUMAyiI0TPA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUMAyiI0TPA One could bet that the same range of calculations are being thought and said inside all the administrations involved in this current Korean conflict as were considered options, ramifications, possible political ends, and ways that things can go wrong like back in the first-Bush administration at the start of the Gulf Wars, or like at the start of the Vietnam war. This Gulf War documentary is awesome for all the voices it collects. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Iran tests missile despite Trump pressure.. By test-firing a new missile, Iran is sending another signal of defiance taken straight from the North Korean textbook. Iran says it has successfully tested a new-medium range missile, in defiance of US President Donald Trump. The launch of the Khoramshahr missile, which has a range of 2,000 km (1,242 miles), was shown on state TV. Kim Jong-un has said remarks by "deranged" US President Donald Trump have convinced him he is right to develop weapons for North Korea. Mr Trump responded https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911175246853664768that the "madman... will be tested like never before". Mr Kim said Mr Trump would "pay dearly" for a UN speech where he threatened to "totally destroy" the North if the US was forced to defend itself. Mr Kim ended his statement by saying he would "surely and definitely tame the mentally deranged US dotard http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41357315 with fire". "All relevant parties should exercise restraint instead of provoking each other," said China's Foreign Minister spokesman Lu Kang. Russia also urged restraint. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Moscow was "deeply concerned by an escalation of tensions". http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41356836 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41356836 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He said diplomacy was the only answer. Mr Putin also said that the ramping up of "military hysteria" could lead to global catastrophe. Russian President Vladimir Putin has said pursuing further sanctions against North Korea is "useless", saying "they'd rather eat grass than give up their nuclear programme". ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dr. Hagelin, et al; Right now, pull all the levers you have to have a group meditation, to augment peace in the world. “All we are saying is give peace a chance”. ..Progressive Meditators Unite! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Where the Sam Hill are the teachers of peace in this? You read the BBC page this morning? The Japanese, the Russians, the Chinese, the South Koreans call for diplomacy. Where is ™’s leadership in the diplomacy of those people there asking for peace? Our ™ communal leadership should be all over this. Where the heck are TM’s Prime Minister, the Raja of America and the Maharaja of TM in this diplomacy, the owners of TM? This is a perfectly good time to have an emergency re-write of the Dome meditation application guidelines and to then invite people to the Dome meditations. Right now. North Korea crisis: South's leader in plea to avoid war Mr Moon told the visiting top US military official that there must be a diplomatic solution to the crisis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : “This country and our world need you to be an army of wisdom, compassion, and connectedness, showing the world how to be awake, to be connected, and to be energized by the tremendous power that lies within,” said Congressman Ryan in his Maharishi University of Management (MUM) address on June 24, 2017. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : President Donald Trump says the US military is "locked and loaded" to deal with North Korea, ramping up the rhetorical brinkmanship. ..tips for residents to prepare for any missile threat.. "Do not look at the flash or fireball - it can blind you." "Lie flat on the ground and cover your head. If the explosion is some distance away, it could take 30 seconds or more for the blast wave to hit." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : US has now threatened military force with President Donald Trump warning of "fire and fury" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-40871416. North Korea Guam missile strike plan 'ready by mid-August' "The Hwasong-12 rockets to be launched by the KPA [Korean People's Army] will cross the sky above Shimane, Hiroshima and Koichi [Kochi] Prefectures of Japan," ---In FairfieldLife@yaho
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: From Allen West...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What's my point? That would depend on the context in which this was sent. That's what I'm asking! Yes it would and *YOU* sent it. What were you trying to say? Quite frankly, I don't remember posting this video. Check this thread. You posted it a few days ago now. (Just fyi. Bhairitu noted that Ashwaghanda is the latest go-to herb for improving thinking. The health-food industry is busy marketing it as another miracle maker. Maybe you could be our resident guinea pig.) However, I've seen many of the stats she was referring to from other sources . Islam is not just a religion, it's an ideology, an ideology incompatible with western democracy, even if practiced by only a *small* minority, which could be in the tens, if not hundreds of millions. Yes, there is traction for, and substantial promotion of, the idea that Islam equals political ideology. However, the point Raza is trying to make is that this is *not* true. She acknowledges the danger in the growth of radical and politicized elements she is seeing. We need to take a rational view of this. We don't need to demonize an entire religion that billions of people practice, based on fear and adoption of a false political ideology of our own. "We" (and I am including Muslims) do need to combat fundamentalist extremism. You will appreciate this article, if you choose to read it. The end of the article includes suggestions on actions the authors think we should be taking. I agree that these could be considered in development of a rational approach to the issue. The article does make the point that you are making I think: that it is important to acknowledge and address the underlying purpose of what the article terms "political Islam." http://www.hoover.org/sites/default/files/research/docs/ali_challengeofdawa_final_web.pdf http://www.hoover.org/sites/default/files/research/docs/ali_challengeofdawa_final_web.pdf Why on earth would we ever want to import this into our civilization? It's asking for trouble. We don't want to import violent extremists, however, preventing those that practice a different faith from Christianity from entering our country is antithetical to the foundation of what America is. It is extremely important that we don't automatically equate the words Islam and Muslim with terrorism. That is completely irrational. Don't forget, the US has a minimum 2-yr. process to fully vet who we let in. We are not letting people in haphazardly and we haven't been! Again, don't let false realities overtake the truth. Stay conscious and don't succumb to the fevered herd-mentality that is rife within the websites you seemingly choose to get your information from. BTW, I didn't say that you were referring to Raza as a crackpot. I asked you if you *thought* she was. This is what you said: "Is Raheel Raza a *crackpot*?" You did not ask me if I *thought* she was. You asked if she *was.* I reminded you that I told you that Allen B. West was, not her. (Again, consider the idea of Ashwaghanda maybe?) Had a non-Muslim said exactly what she did, they would be denounced as Xenophobes, Islamphobes.and racist or in this case, a *crackpot*. We are living in reactionary times. Don't be a sheep. Meditate on this. If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies, Or being hated, don’t give way to hating, And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise: If you can dream—and not make dreams your master; If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools: If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’ If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch, If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it, And—which is more—you’ll be a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: From Allen West...
I've seen this video before. Bottomline—she is showing that the radical elements within Islam are gaining in number. She is Muslim herself and considers herself a moderate. I didn't say she was a crackpot; I said Allen B. West was. Based on the idiotic title of the article (equating scary and honest), it appears he and the author are trying to create and legitimize fear of Muslims. If he was an honest broker, he wouldn't be taking this approach. This is the opposite of what Raheel Raza is intending, from what she herself is stating. *Her* stated goal is to start/have a conversation (thoughtfully and rationally). Again, my question to you is, "What's your point?!" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Is Raheel Raza a *crackpot*? Do you deny what she had to say? From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 11:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: From Allen West... What's your point? Be careful with anything that has Allen B. West's name on it; the guy is a crackpot. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Check out this article: http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/12/quite-possibly-the-scariest-and-most-honest-video-about-islam-youll-ever-see/ Sent from Mail http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows 10
Re: [FairfieldLife] Trump Agrees to be Impeached
Yeahit takes "balls" to set a nuclear war in motion. Get down on your knees, Mike. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Trump would be the only person, I can think of, to have the balls to nuke NK first. From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Trump Agrees to be Impeached Trump appears to be playing high stakes political poker. From the outset, he would indeed be very popular to stun both Democrats and Republicans. If the senate votes against him during the impeachment trial, he would become the most infamous president in US history. In the meantime, Kim Jong Un would be laughing his head off as he prepares to nuke the US or its allies. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Sounds like more *fake news* to me! BTW, impeachment doesn't remove one from office. It's only an indictment. It'll take at least 2/3rds of the Senate to find him guilty to remove him. From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 11:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Trump Agrees to be Impeached It sounds too good be true. https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/9b71335d-67b4-3fe5-b79f-2a3aee0fee80/ss_in-stunning-new-deal-with.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/9b71335d-67b4-3fe5-b79f-2a3aee0fee80/ss_in-stunning-new-deal-with.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Allen West...
What's your point? Be careful with anything that has Allen B. West's name on it; the guy is a crackpot. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Check out this article: http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/12/quite-possibly-the-scariest-and-most-honest-video-about-islam-youll-ever-see/ Sent from Mail http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows 10
[FairfieldLife] Re: Watch The Killing of Farkhunda on Times Video
Read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Farkhunda#Reaction_from_Islamic_scholars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Farkhunda#Reaction_from_Islamic_scholars What's your point Mike? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Watch The Killing of Farkhunda on Times Video: http:/nyti.ms/1kkwUcv Explore more videos from Times Video: http:/nyti..ms/1ExDNKO Sign up for the Times Video newsletter: http:/nyti.ms/1FdVTab Sent from Mail http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows 10
Re: [FairfieldLife] Trump Agrees to be Impeached
Ahhh, the Borowitz Report. Satire. Not "fake news." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Trump appears to be playing high stakes political poker. From the outset, he would indeed be very popular to stun both Democrats and Republicans. If the senate votes against him during the impeachment trial, he would become the most infamous president in US history. In the meantime, Kim Jong Un would be laughing his head off as he prepares to nuke the US or its allies. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Sounds like more *fake news* to me! BTW, impeachment doesn't remove one from office. It's only an indictment. It'll take at least 2/3rds of the Senate to find him guilty to remove him. From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 11:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Trump Agrees to be Impeached It sounds too good be true. https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/9b71335d-67b4-3fe5-b79f-2a3aee0fee80/ss_in-stunning-new-deal-with.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/9b71335d-67b4-3fe5-b79f-2a3aee0fee80/ss_in-stunning-new-deal-with.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Respite from Hurricane wreckage: Come to Fairfield, Iowa
That's funny. I do not hear the sounds of people writing on an internet forum. Hey, I will never be in favor of a military response to North Korea's posturing and bravado and threats. And, the more we threaten one, the worse off we are—we force ourselves into a box. T.Rump has no idea how to negotiate anything. All he knows is how to threaten people into doing his bidding. He's itching for war. His ego needs that. And anything to get the focus off of the investigations into he and his family. No worries. I believe that there is no way that Congress will vote to impeach while the Republicans are in power. That's all I'm writing on this!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : YOUR hearing of sounds may well be IMPAIRED if U may believe U heard such ! HA! HA! HA! Go Trump & Pence & Hailey Barber! -Original Message- From: emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] To: FairfieldLife Sent: Mon, Sep 4, 2017 1:35 am Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Respite from Hurricane wreckage: Come to Fairfield, Iowa Sounds like T.Rump! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He is a madman. He thinks he can win it all. But the best he can get is most definitely, Mutually Assured Destruction. This is discussed in the latter chapters of the Gita. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : One thing is for sure. If the U.S. and China (and other members of the international community) insist on or start playing "regime change" games, the likelihood that Kim Jong Un will attempt to defend his right to rule through military means becomes greater. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Kim Jong Un's shakti yoga is beginning to take a personal tone for us here in SF. I'm hoping that Nature will take over to help or save the rest of humanity from this mad demoniac from North Korea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And Fairfield, Iowa also , not a bad place at all in what might be the Kim Jung Un wars. if N. Korea launches even one strike against either SF or Seattle judging by the weather streams the air patterns would take the fallout either below or above the Southeast of Iowa and Fairfield, Iowa. ..the country had conducted its sixth and most powerful nuclear test, detonating a hydrogen bomb that could be loaded onto a long-range missile. North Korea claims "perfect success" in hydrogen bomb test ..Hydrogen bombs are many times more powerful than an atomic bomb. They use fusion - the merging of atoms - to unleash huge amounts of energy, whereas atomic bombs use nuclear fission, or the splitting of atoms. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I won't disagree with you there. Seems to me that Fairfield has a lot going for it as a robust and open-minded community with diverse interests and a range of economic opportunities. The word "spiritual" always amuses me. Re: "for spiritual people." How do you define "spiritual?" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are right, that particular place up there has but a narrow application to a few but being in the community of meditating Fairfield, Iowa for the length of recovery of these stormy places and times would make for a fabulous place of respite, refuge, a retreat or a place to come and live for spiritual people. Fairfield, Iowa is a place of tremendous spiritual practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I believe that climate change is bringing rising sea levels and contributing to worsening weather and storms that will continue to ravage coastal cities. However, Iowa is not exempt from extreme weather conditions or climate change. A monster tornado might roll through your town one day (I understand that TMers believe in the ME as a means to prevent this.) Housing that you are offering below as an idea for those TMers hit by an emergency is not realistic. Did you look at the application? Who is your first teacher? What is their phone number and email? Who is your second teacher? What is their phone number and email? Who is your MUM contact, as an alternative? When did you start TM? Sounds like there has to be a real evaluation of credibility to qualify. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 5 million people on the move looking for respite, Rising sea-levels.. By the end of the century, the list says, more than 50 cities with populations of more than 100,000 could be affected. Cities like Boston; Fort Lauderdale, Florida; and four of the five boroughs of New York will be considered inundated. Although the West Coast
[FairfieldLife] Re: Respite from Hurricane wreckage: Come to Fairfield, Iowa
Sounds like T.Rump! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He is a madman. He thinks he can win it all. But the best he can get is most definitely, Mutually Assured Destruction. This is discussed in the latter chapters of the Gita. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : One thing is for sure. If the U.S. and China (and other members of the international community) insist on or start playing "regime change" games, the likelihood that Kim Jong Un will attempt to defend his right to rule through military means becomes greater. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Kim Jong Un's shakti yoga is beginning to take a personal tone for us here in SF. I'm hoping that Nature will take over to help or save the rest of humanity from this mad demoniac from North Korea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And Fairfield, Iowa also , not a bad place at all in what might be the Kim Jung Un wars. if N. Korea launches even one strike against either SF or Seattle judging by the weather streams the air patterns would take the fallout either below or above the Southeast of Iowa and Fairfield, Iowa. ..the country had conducted its sixth and most powerful nuclear test, detonating a hydrogen bomb that could be loaded onto a long-range missile. North Korea claims "perfect success" in hydrogen bomb test ..Hydrogen bombs are many times more powerful than an atomic bomb. They use fusion - the merging of atoms - to unleash huge amounts of energy, whereas atomic bombs use nuclear fission, or the splitting of atoms. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I won't disagree with you there. Seems to me that Fairfield has a lot going for it as a robust and open-minded community with diverse interests and a range of economic opportunities. The word "spiritual" always amuses me. Re: "for spiritual people." How do you define "spiritual?" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are right, that particular place up there has but a narrow application to a few but being in the community of meditating Fairfield, Iowa for the length of recovery of these stormy places and times would make for a fabulous place of respite, refuge, a retreat or a place to come and live for spiritual people. Fairfield, Iowa is a place of tremendous spiritual practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I believe that climate change is bringing rising sea levels and contributing to worsening weather and storms that will continue to ravage coastal cities. However, Iowa is not exempt from extreme weather conditions or climate change. A monster tornado might roll through your town one day (I understand that TMers believe in the ME as a means to prevent this.) Housing that you are offering below as an idea for those TMers hit by an emergency is not realistic. Did you look at the application? Who is your first teacher? What is their phone number and email? Who is your second teacher? What is their phone number and email? Who is your MUM contact, as an alternative? When did you start TM? Sounds like there has to be a real evaluation of credibility to qualify. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 5 million people on the move looking for respite, Rising sea-levels.. By the end of the century, the list says, more than 50 cities with populations of more than 100,000 could be affected. Cities like Boston; Fort Lauderdale, Florida; and four of the five boroughs of New York will be considered inundated. Although the West Coast seems to be spared the brunt of inundation over the next few decades, even places like San Francisco and Los Angeles will be on the list by 2100. Residents of roughly 500 cities across the US will be faced with the same choices by the end of the century: whether to mitigate or to abandon their homes. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/12/us/weather-cities-inundated-climate-change/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/12/us/weather-cities-inundated-climate-change/index.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Relative risks, Fairfield and surrounding area like Maharishi Vedic City are situated at the top of watersheds. Water flows down and away from the populated areas here. What percentage of the population lives on coastal areas? http://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/global-warming/science-and-impacts/global-warming-impacts#.WavRfHeGNo4 http://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/global-warming/science-and-impacts/global-warming-impacts#.WavRfHeGNo4 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://ppc.uiowa.edu/forkenbrock/extreme-weather http://ppc.uiowa.edu/forkenbrock/extreme-weather Iowa isn't exempt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A real estate investor visiting Fairfield, Iowa this week observes that investing in Fairfield on a five year horizon would likely pay dividend given the frequency of super-storm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Respite from Hurricane wreckage: Come to Fairfield, Iowa
One thing is for sure. If the U.S. and China (and other members of the international community) insist on or start playing "regime change" games, the likelihood that Kim Jong Un will attempt to defend his right to rule through military means becomes greater. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Kim Jong Un's shakti yoga is beginning to take a personal tone for us here in SF. I'm hoping that Nature will take over to help or save the rest of humanity from this mad demoniac from North Korea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And Fairfield, Iowa also , not a bad place at all in what might be the Kim Jung Un wars. if N. Korea launches even one strike against either SF or Seattle judging by the weather streams the air patterns would take the fallout either below or above the Southeast of Iowa and Fairfield, Iowa. ..the country had conducted its sixth and most powerful nuclear test, detonating a hydrogen bomb that could be loaded onto a long-range missile. North Korea claims "perfect success" in hydrogen bomb test ..Hydrogen bombs are many times more powerful than an atomic bomb. They use fusion - the merging of atoms - to unleash huge amounts of energy, whereas atomic bombs use nuclear fission, or the splitting of atoms. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I won't disagree with you there. Seems to me that Fairfield has a lot going for it as a robust and open-minded community with diverse interests and a range of economic opportunities. The word "spiritual" always amuses me. Re: "for spiritual people." How do you define "spiritual?" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are right, that particular place up there has but a narrow application to a few but being in the community of meditating Fairfield, Iowa for the length of recovery of these stormy places and times would make for a fabulous place of respite, refuge, a retreat or a place to come and live for spiritual people. Fairfield, Iowa is a place of tremendous spiritual practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I believe that climate change is bringing rising sea levels and contributing to worsening weather and storms that will continue to ravage coastal cities. However, Iowa is not exempt from extreme weather conditions or climate change. A monster tornado might roll through your town one day (I understand that TMers believe in the ME as a means to prevent this.) Housing that you are offering below as an idea for those TMers hit by an emergency is not realistic. Did you look at the application? Who is your first teacher? What is their phone number and email? Who is your second teacher? What is their phone number and email? Who is your MUM contact, as an alternative? When did you start TM? Sounds like there has to be a real evaluation of credibility to qualify. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 5 million people on the move looking for respite, Rising sea-levels.. By the end of the century, the list says, more than 50 cities with populations of more than 100,000 could be affected. Cities like Boston; Fort Lauderdale, Florida; and four of the five boroughs of New York will be considered inundated. Although the West Coast seems to be spared the brunt of inundation over the next few decades, even places like San Francisco and Los Angeles will be on the list by 2100. Residents of roughly 500 cities across the US will be faced with the same choices by the end of the century: whether to mitigate or to abandon their homes. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/12/us/weather-cities-inundated-climate-change/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/12/us/weather-cities-inundated-climate-change/index.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Relative risks, Fairfield and surrounding area like Maharishi Vedic City are situated at the top of watersheds. Water flows down and away from the populated areas here. What percentage of the population lives on coastal areas? http://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/global-warming/science-and-impacts/global-warming-impacts#.WavRfHeGNo4 http://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/global-warming/science-and-impacts/global-warming-impacts#.WavRfHeGNo4 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://ppc.uiowa.edu/forkenbrock/extreme-weather http://ppc.uiowa.edu/forkenbrock/extreme-weather Iowa isn't exempt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A real estate investor visiting Fairfield, Iowa this week observes that investing in Fairfield on a five year horizon would likely pay dividend given the frequency of super-storms and evidently rising sea-levels. That, a lot of people are going to be looking for nice places to live. Come meditate now with the meditating community in Fairfield, Iowa. There are rentals in Fairfield, Iowa on AirBnB. Respite: a short period of rest or relief from something diff
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality
You have included a number of things here as examples of how you are defining "spiritual." MMY was Hindu. In Hinduism as in Christianity, the existence of a personal "soul" is assumed. So, are you saying that all persons are spiritual because they have a "soul" and a "birthright" to discover it's natural attributes of peace and bliss? Of course, the Buddhists do not believe in the "soul." From Wikipedia: Anatta is a central doctrine of Buddhism, and marks one of the major differences between Buddhism and Hinduism. Buddhists do not believe that at the core of all human beings and living creatures, there is any "eternal, essential and absolute something called a soul, self or atman".[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatta#cite_note-6sourcesatman-5[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatta#cite_note-johnplott3-6[119] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatta#cite_note-129 Buddhism, from its earliest days, has denied the existence of the "self, soul" in its core philosophical and ontological texts. In its soteriological themes, Buddhism has defined nirvana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana as that blissful state when a person, amongst other things, realizes that he or she has "no self, no soul".[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatta#cite_note-6sourcesatman-5[120] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatta#cite_note-130 Are Buddhists "spiritual"? They do have a practice. Perhaps, as indicated here, all those who acknowledge that they have a conscience and are following it are "spiritual." When Thomas Jefferson wrote:"Laws of Nature" into the Declaration of independence, he was referring to an Enlightenment concept deeply rooted in Western philosophy. In later writings, Jefferson elaborated: Nature has written her moral laws on the head and heart of every rational and honest man, where man may read them for himself. If ever you are about to say anything amiss, or to do anything wrong, consider beforehand you will feel something within you which will tell you it is wrong, and ought not to be said or done. This is your conscience, and be sure and obey it... Conscience is the only sure clue which will eternally guide a man clear of all his doubts and inconsistencies. http://www.chivalrynow.net/articles2/natural_law.htm http://www.chivalrynow.net/articles2/natural_law.htm --- Are you saying, finally, that those that engage in a spiritual practice, such as prayer, are "spiritual," by virtue of their practice? Exegesis keeps the Bible relevant. :) All told, it seems that "for spiritual people" boils down to: 1) All those with a soul, which in your belief system means *all people* 2) All people that consider their conscience in decision-making 3) All people that engage in prayer and meditation In that 2 and 3 are subsets of one, it appears that "for spiritual people" means "for all people" based on your definitions posted here. That's what I thought also! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : emily.mae50 writes: The word "spiritual" always amuses me. Re: "for spiritual people." How do you define "spiritual?" In 1957, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi said of Spirituality that: 'Spiritual development is the birthright of everyone, for it is the unfoldment of the essential nature of the soul, or inner consciousness…. Soul is the individual property of everybody. It is the natural and inseparable possession, nay, the very existence, of every man. Everybody has the right to enjoy his own possession. Everybody has the right to enjoy the sat [truth] chit [Being] ananda [bliss] nature of his own soul. In the most natural manner, everybody has every right to enjoy permanent peace, bliss eternal, which is the nature of his own soul.' -- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Thirty Years Around the World—Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment, Volume One 1957-1964 (Netherlands: MVU Press, 1986), p. 195. The Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God.. -Thomas Jefferson ..of the Unified Field the laws of Nature yet work in mysterious ways. -JaiGuruYou Spiritual Practices would be cultivating of Spirituality. Scientifically, stopping to pray may not be as effective as taking a 'quiet-time' or 'quiet-in' meditation, according to the Bible.. Matthew Ch:6 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret(Silence); and thy Father (Unified Field of Nature) which seeth in secret (Silence) shall reward thee openly. 7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, (verbal prayers) as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need
[FairfieldLife] Re: Respite from Hurricane wreckage: Come to Fairfield, Iowa
I won't disagree with you there. Seems to me that Fairfield has a lot going for it as a robust and open-minded community with diverse interests and a range of economic opportunities. The word "spiritual" always amuses me. Re: "for spiritual people." How do you define "spiritual?" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are right, that particular place up there has but a narrow application to a few but being in the community of meditating Fairfield, Iowa for the length of recovery of these stormy places and times would make for a fabulous place of respite, refuge, a retreat or a place to come and live for spiritual people. Fairfield, Iowa is a place of tremendous spiritual practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I believe that climate change is bringing rising sea levels and contributing to worsening weather and storms that will continue to ravage coastal cities. However, Iowa is not exempt from extreme weather conditions or climate change. A monster tornado might roll through your town one day (I understand that TMers believe in the ME as a means to prevent this.) Housing that you are offering below as an idea for those TMers hit by an emergency is not realistic. Did you look at the application? Who is your first teacher? What is their phone number and email? Who is your second teacher? What is their phone number and email? Who is your MUM contact, as an alternative? When did you start TM? Sounds like there has to be a real evaluation of credibility to qualify. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 5 million people on the move looking for respite, Rising sea-levels.. By the end of the century, the list says, more than 50 cities with populations of more than 100,000 could be affected. Cities like Boston; Fort Lauderdale, Florida; and four of the five boroughs of New York will be considered inundated. Although the West Coast seems to be spared the brunt of inundation over the next few decades, even places like San Francisco and Los Angeles will be on the list by 2100. Residents of roughly 500 cities across the US will be faced with the same choices by the end of the century: whether to mitigate or to abandon their homes. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/12/us/weather-cities-inundated-climate-change/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/12/us/weather-cities-inundated-climate-change/index.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Relative risks, Fairfield and surrounding area like Maharishi Vedic City are situated at the top of watersheds. Water flows down and away from the populated areas here. What percentage of the population lives on coastal areas? http://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/global-warming/science-and-impacts/global-warming-impacts#.WavRfHeGNo4 http://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/global-warming/science-and-impacts/global-warming-impacts#.WavRfHeGNo4 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://ppc.uiowa.edu/forkenbrock/extreme-weather http://ppc.uiowa.edu/forkenbrock/extreme-weather Iowa isn't exempt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A real estate investor visiting Fairfield, Iowa this week observes that investing in Fairfield on a five year horizon would likely pay dividend given the frequency of super-storms and evidently rising sea-levels. That, a lot of people are going to be looking for nice places to live. Come meditate now with the meditating community in Fairfield, Iowa. There are rentals in Fairfield, Iowa on AirBnB. Respite: a short period of rest or relief from something difficult or unpleasant. For meditators, meditate along with other meditators in Fairfield, Iowa. There are several group meditations in Fairfield to attend. Also meetings to attend with other meditators. Fairfield, Iowa is a fabulous place for spiritual respite, renewal. Also to learn to meditate.. http://www.tm.org/transcendental-meditation-fairfield http://www.tm.org/transcendental-meditation-fairfield # An Iowa retreat offers a place of peace to Texans fleeing hurricane damage. A place for meditators, https://sites.google.com/view/idealifeassembly/home https://sites.google.com/view/idealifeassembly/home ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Invitation for weather Respite is extended to Californians too. Southern California’s heat wave should peak by Friday. But in Northern California, triple-digit temperatures are expected to continue through the Labor Day weekend. That’s worrisome because there are already more than a dozen wildfires burning in the Sierra Nevada, and smoke is settling in the populated valley below. Record heat, lightning, fires, intense rain: California's extreme weather gets wilder. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 5 million people on the move looking for respite, Rising sea-levels.. By t
[FairfieldLife] Re: Respite from Hurricane wreckage: Come to Fairfield, Iowa
I believe that climate change is bringing rising sea levels and contributing to worsening weather and storms that will continue to ravage coastal cities. However, Iowa is not exempt from extreme weather conditions or climate change. A monster tornado might roll through your town one day (I understand that TMers believe in the ME as a means to prevent this.) Housing that you are offering below as an idea for those TMers hit by an emergency is not realistic. Did you look at the application? Who is your first teacher? What is their phone number and email? Who is your second teacher? What is their phone number and email? Who is your MUM contact, as an alternative? When did you start TM? Sounds like there has to be a real evaluation of credibility to qualify. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 5 million people on the move looking for respite, Rising sea-levels.. By the end of the century, the list says, more than 50 cities with populations of more than 100,000 could be affected. Cities like Boston; Fort Lauderdale, Florida; and four of the five boroughs of New York will be considered inundated. Although the West Coast seems to be spared the brunt of inundation over the next few decades, even places like San Francisco and Los Angeles will be on the list by 2100. Residents of roughly 500 cities across the US will be faced with the same choices by the end of the century: whether to mitigate or to abandon their homes. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/12/us/weather-cities-inundated-climate-change/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/12/us/weather-cities-inundated-climate-change/index.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Relative risks, Fairfield and surrounding area like Maharishi Vedic City are situated at the top of watersheds. Water flows down and away from the populated areas here. What percentage of the population lives on coastal areas? http://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/global-warming/science-and-impacts/global-warming-impacts#.WavRfHeGNo4 http://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/global-warming/science-and-impacts/global-warming-impacts#.WavRfHeGNo4 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : http://ppc.uiowa.edu/forkenbrock/extreme-weather http://ppc.uiowa.edu/forkenbrock/extreme-weather Iowa isn't exempt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A real estate investor visiting Fairfield, Iowa this week observes that investing in Fairfield on a five year horizon would likely pay dividend given the frequency of super-storms and evidently rising sea-levels. That, a lot of people are going to be looking for nice places to live. Come meditate now with the meditating community in Fairfield, Iowa. There are rentals in Fairfield, Iowa on AirBnB. Respite: a short period of rest or relief from something difficult or unpleasant. For meditators, meditate along with other meditators in Fairfield, Iowa. There are several group meditations in Fairfield to attend. Also meetings to attend with other meditators. Fairfield, Iowa is a fabulous place for spiritual respite, renewal. Also to learn to meditate.. http://www.tm.org/transcendental-meditation-fairfield http://www.tm.org/transcendental-meditation-fairfield # An Iowa retreat offers a place of peace to Texans fleeing hurricane damage. A place for meditators, https://sites.google.com/view/idealifeassembly/home https://sites.google.com/view/idealifeassembly/home ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Invitation for weather Respite is extended to Californians too. Southern California’s heat wave should peak by Friday. But in Northern California, triple-digit temperatures are expected to continue through the Labor Day weekend. That’s worrisome because there are already more than a dozen wildfires burning in the Sierra Nevada, and smoke is settling in the populated valley below. Record heat, lightning, fires, intense rain: California's extreme weather gets wilder. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 5 million people on the move looking for respite, Rising sea-levels.. By the end of the century, the list says, more than 50 cities with populations of more than 100,000 could be affected. Cities like Boston; Fort Lauderdale, Florida; and four of the five boroughs of New York will be considered inundated. Although the West Coast seems to be spared the brunt of inundation over the next few decades, even places like San Francisco and Los Angeles will be on the list by 2100. Residents of roughly 500 cities across the US will be faced with the same choices by the end of the century: whether to mitigate or to abandon their homes. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/12/us/weather-cities-inundated-climate-change/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/12/us/weather-cities-inundated-climate-change/index.html ---In
[FairfieldLife] Re: Respite from Hurricane wreckage: Come to Fairfield, Iowa
http://ppc.uiowa.edu/forkenbrock/extreme-weather http://ppc.uiowa.edu/forkenbrock/extreme-weather Iowa isn't exempt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A real estate investor visiting Fairfield, Iowa this week observes that investing in Fairfield on a five year horizon would likely pay dividend given the frequency of super-storms and evidently rising sea-levels. That, a lot of people are going to be looking for nice places to live. Come meditate now with the meditating community in Fairfield, Iowa. There are rentals in Fairfield, Iowa on AirBnB. Respite: a short period of rest or relief from something difficult or unpleasant. For meditators, meditate along with other meditators in Fairfield, Iowa. There are several group meditations in Fairfield to attend. Also meetings to attend with other meditators. Fairfield, Iowa is a fabulous place for spiritual respite, renewal. Also to learn to meditate.. http://www.tm.org/transcendental-meditation-fairfield http://www.tm.org/transcendental-meditation-fairfield # An Iowa retreat offers a place of peace to Texans fleeing hurricane damage. A place for meditators, https://sites.google.com/view/idealifeassembly/home https://sites.google.com/view/idealifeassembly/home ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Invitation for weather Respite is extended to Californians too. Southern California’s heat wave should peak by Friday. But in Northern California, triple-digit temperatures are expected to continue through the Labor Day weekend. That’s worrisome because there are already more than a dozen wildfires burning in the Sierra Nevada, and smoke is settling in the populated valley below. Record heat, lightning, fires, intense rain: California's extreme weather gets wilder.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump is Igniting Anger Over the Entire Nation
This is well-written. Without? Doesn't really make sense if defined as in the article below. https://vedanet.com/2012/06/13/the-three-gunas-how-to-balance-your-consciousness/ https://vedanet.com/2012/06/13/the-three-gunas-how-to-balance-your-consciousness/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Gita, Chapters 7 to 18, that I read comes from Srila Prabhupada's translation. It would be interesting to compare MMY's version of these chapters if he had translated them. I've heard that this was already done. But the TMO has decided not to release them to the general audience. The message that I got from these readings is to be "without the gunas", which MMY covered in Chapter Two of his translation of the Gita. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Interesting breakdown by the Gita of character type. Would seems that the gas-lighting narcissistic personality disordered person can afflict any of the three types. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : .. I'm saying that the second group belongs to the passionate people which includes who have firm beliefs of their opinons. So, when they get together, they create confusion and rancor. Trump is obviously a person who attracts divisiveness which we have witnessed since he took office. Nonetheless, the Gita consider these prople to be conditioned by the gunas or material modes of nature. Even the sattwic people are considered conditioned as well. But the Gita considers the passionate group to be lustful, greedy and full of hate. The thrid group of people are considered lazy, who sleep and intoxicated or high on drugs. They also worship ghosts and dead people. From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 1:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trump is Igniting Anger Over the Entire Nation Chapter 15 of the Gita discusses the various types of people that inhabit the Earth or the universe. There are those who are good and satvic who promote peace and higher consciousness in society. It is apparent that Trump is attracting and inciting those elements in society that lead to violence, anger and hatred. As such, the American society is being tested as well to follow a leader who promotes peace,, bliss and unity for the entire country and for the rest of humanity. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The cosmic battle has been going on in one place or another, on one plane or another, for thousands of years. The election of T.Rump in this country is a wake-up call, in my opinion. He has stirred the pot like no other could and we are all having to evaluate where we stand and what we stand for and how we stand in our relations towards others and the planet at large. In this way, he is doing good. However, how long he is needed to do this is up for review. He is extremely unwell and seems to be heading towards a complete mental breakdown and meltdown. I'm guessing he is going to take as many people as he can down with him. I hope and pray he doesn't go completely off the rails and get us into a war, or worse. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, The news we're witnessing right now is similar to the vedic story of a terrifying monster that was conjured up by brahmins in a yagya or vedic ritual gone awry. It would require Indra, the king of the Gods, to get involved to slay this monster. IOW, the higher powers of Nature may have to get involved to dump Trump. Do you want to see the cosmic battle to start in the USA? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Sure they can. Maybe they will and maybe they won't, but they can. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It's time for him to resign. Members of Congress cannot let him continue until the next election. https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/0730a107-1c52-34f9-b8cb-3305174d9f14/ss_%E2%80%98believe-me%3A%E2%80%99-trump-promises.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/0730a107-1c52-34f9-b8cb-3305174d9f14/ss_%E2%80%98believe-me%3A%E2%80%99-trump-promises.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
