[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Civilizations could be One Million Years Ahead of Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" > wrote: > > > Amongst all the staggering coincidences and apparently > > rare requirements that common organic molecules have to > > go through in order to become complex life forms I forgot to > > mention that the trigger (for their always is one in leaps > > of evolution) for life to go from the happy bacterial state > > it was in for 3 billion years into it's post-cambrian > > cornucopia is the fact that the Earth was frozen solid for > > millions of years thus the only survivors were the bacteria > > that mutated into the cell that make up *all* living things > > today. > > > > This isn't creationism, it's hard empirical science and is > > easily checkable. > > I don't get this Hugo. > > Are you saying that "snowball earth" was a pre-requisite for > our planet's rich life-status? It might very well have been yes. On one side of the freeze you have just bacteria no the other you have everything we know today. And that this is hard science? > I did a quick-and-dirty wiki check and got the impression Life > arose *despite* the conjectured snowball Earth, not > *because* of it. Can't believe everything you read on the internet I'm afraid. I'm talking about the change from simple single-celled stuff before a major cataclysm to a stronger type of cell (that ALL life now shares) the improvements in cell structure may well have been forced on us by environmental pressure. Bit too much of a coincidence otherwise. > The fact that one event precedes another event does not in > itself make it a "trigger" does it? Or have I misunderstood > you? Probably. In this case you'd have to prove that the freeze *wasn't* the trigger and come up with some other explanation for the arrival of complex life when, for 3 billion years, before a sudden massive change in climate there wasn't any.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the ultimate BP Gulf disaster could kill millions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > "If the huge methane bubble breaches the seabed, it will erupt with an > explosive fury similar to that experienced during the eruption of Mt. Saint > Helens in the Pacific Northwest. A gas gusher will surge upwards through > miles of ancient sedimentary rocklayer after layerpast the oil reservoir. > It will explode upwards propelled by 50 tons psi, burst through the cracks > and fissures of the compromised sea floor, and rupture miles of ocean bottom > with one titanic explosion. > > The burgeoning methane gas cloud will surface, killing everything it touches, > and set off a supersonic tsunami with the wave traveling somewhere between > 400 to 600 miles per hour. > > While the entire Gulf coastline is vulnerable, the state most exposed to the > fury of a supersonic wave towering 100 feet or more is Florida. The Sunshine > State only averages about 6 inches above sea level. A supersonic tsunami > would literally sweep away everything from Miami to the panhandle in a matter > of minutes. Loss of human life would be virtually instantaneous and measured > in the millions. Of course the states of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, > Alabama and southern region of Georgiaa state with no Gulf coastlinewould > also experience tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of > casualties." And if a giant asteroid was to hit the north american continental plate at exactly the same time it would set off every earthquake fault line and volcano on earth, and the population of china gasping in shock at hearing the news would suck the earth's atmosphere away. Which would make the survivors fall over and tilt the earth's orbit into the path of the sun. Jesus this could be bad. > http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/55689 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4hfGY6i75w&feature=player_embedded# > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMEr4FctWAM&feature=player_embedded# >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Victor Stenger's "New Athiesm"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" wrote: > > > > QP just rewrites concept of matter a bit. While it might seem solid > > did you know that if you removed the empty space inside the atoms > > of the entire human race you could fit us into a sugar cube? > > Yeah, but would it be just a plain old sugar cube > or an LSD-soaked sugar cube? > The latter would be more fun, we'd probably come up with even more weird ideas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Victor Stenger's "New Athiesm"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > I think it comes down to testability. I have a > sneaking suspicion that a lot of things that are > rejected as "supernatural" because they can't be-- > or haven't been--nailed down by a test have simply > not been tested properly. > > Lawrence LeShan came out with a book recently > arguing that tests for mental telepathy are so > poorly designed that they couldn't find telepathy > even if it did exist, and proposes a different > approach altogether. > I think that if telepathy were even remotely possible we wouldn't need to test for it, as we'd be using it every single day to do just about everything. It would be so mind-bogglingly useful for an animal to be able to communicate with thoughts that natural selection would start to favour it immediately.
[FairfieldLife] Ice cream controls your brain.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Victor Stenger's "New Athiesm"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "compost1uk" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "compost1uk" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > > > Sounds like someone is holding out for a supernatural solution to > > > > the mystery. > > > > > > No, not at all! Only if you equate naturalism with materialism. > > > Stenger appears to do just that, but you have yourself helpfully > > > provided definitions (below) which show how these two 'isms' are > > > logically distinct. > > > > > > Materialism would seem to be under some threat from modern > > > physics (e.g. the peculiarity of action-at-a-distance with > > > quantum entanglement). Still, there might be life in the old dog > > > yet. But naturalism is not at all under threat from such > > > developments, no? > > > > Hmmm, interesting idea. But they seem identical to me. I would > > say that quantum entanglement is a material phenomenon like everything else > > discovered so far, it's just that the rules for > > the world of tiny things are so different to reality as we perceive it. In > > fact it's all so predictable, real and open to experi- > > mentation that it's one of the few things you can depend on. > > > > It all depends on whether the explanation uses the term "physical matter" > > from a classical view of the world, as made out of indivisible things, or > > from the new physics as everything being > > a construction through interacting probability waves or multiple universes. > I see your point. But in the context of the history of the idea > of materialism, this is such a neutering of the concept as to be > no longer useful. > Materialism without the "matter" part is a bit like coffee without > the caffeine. In what sense of "matter" are "interacting probability > waves" material things? Probabability is a mathematical concept. > Are the probability values "real" and "material"? The probability waves create matter, in fact *are* matter when they are interacting with each other. Take an atom away from the rest of the universe and it just sits there all fuzzy and undecided about what to do, a bit like me without caffeine. I was just underlining the difficulty of keeping a pre-Einsteinian concept of matter given that the whole universe is in a state of flux. Matter is energy and vice versa, it just depends on what speed you are moving. QP just rewrites concept of matter a bit. While it might seem solid did you know that if you removed the empty space inside the atoms of the entire human race you could fit us into a sugar cube? > > > > > (And why does naturalism equate to materialism?) > > > > > > > > Naturalism:- The system of thought holding that all phenomena can > > > > be explained in terms of natural causes and laws. > > > > > > > > Materialism:- The theory that physical matter is the only reality > > > > and that everything, including thought, feeling, mind, and will, > > > > can be explained in terms of matter and physical phenomena. > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stenger on "matter"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > Stenger has a broad definition of "matter" (below) that may include (for > example); additional dimensions (presently unseen) as required by superstring > theory; but supposedly testable at some time in the future. Stenger doesn't > discount the possibibility of such entities existing but nevertheless, such > "other" dimensions would still be material according to him, but "God" would > not be material unless testable. Psychic phenomena are "out" since the > claimants have failed to offer proof of existence. I agree with him on this. But god would have to be testable as he would have to exist within the universe no matter what level he occupies even if it's way beyond current comprehension. Personally I lump god in with psychic phenomena as a fantasy until someone proves otherwise, the next question being: how much longer are people going to keep believing when the available space for him gets smaller and smaller. It's all wishful thinking, we come pre-programmed to create an explanation of the "outer" world and all of them have fallen by the wayside in light of scientific discovery. (in addition to his claim that Hagelin's flipped SU(5) hypothesis was refused by experimental evidence). As far as I'm aware (I haven't read the book yet) it was the original SU5 theory that was disproved and not the one JH helped to write. I don't understand the difference between the two but they spent 20 years testing the first with underground proton detectors to no avail. > "Pure Consciousness" on the "Stenger planet" plays no apparent role in the > Origin of Physical Law and he seems to have a poor understanding of mysticism > altogher. (he feels that it's a form of solipsism). Seems fair enough as it's invented inside the mind, unless there is any evidence of inner revelation having a parallel in practical physics? Nope, nothing springs to mind. Can't wait to read the book though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Victor Stenger's "New Athiesm"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "compost1uk" wrote: > > Amen to quite a lot of that. For my part I suppose > I am some sort of "religious agnostic". (Unlike a proper > agnostic. Which is a bit like one of those screwed-up, > fish-eating "vegetarians" I guess, of which I am also one). > > I can see that "certainty", and doctrinal rigidity set you off. > Me too - but funnily enough it's militant atheism, and what I > see as a naive faith in scientific progressivism that pushes my > buttons. A bit of an odd foible, but there it is. I think militant athiests (of which I am not one) get a bad press these days. Everyone seems to knock Richard Dawkins because he has pointed out that human concepts of god have been hopelessly outclassed by scientific progression and where would we be without it? Sitting in caves and worrying about the next solar eclipse is my guess. (Or sitting in TM centres and worrying about it as the case actually is). I think you have to drop ideas when they've outlived their usefulness and science has proved devastating in uncovering natural laws. My particular foible is guys like John Hagelin filling the gaps in understanding with unnecessary and purely money-making "spiritual" nonsense for no reason I can fathom other than him not getting kicked out of the TMO. Why replace a mystery with a bigger mystery? > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > Finally, an interesting thread. :-) > > > > I'm going to start it by moving the two definitions > > being discussed up from the bottom: > > > > > > > Naturalism:- The system of thought holding that all > > > > > phenomena can be explained in terms of natural causes > > > > > and laws. > > > > > > > > > > Materialism:- The theory that physical matter is the > > > > > only reality and that everything, including thought, > > > > > feeling, mind, and will, can be explained in terms > > > > > of matter and physical phenomena. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "compost1uk" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > > > > Sounds like someone is holding out for a supernatural > > > > > solution to the mystery. > > > > > > > > No, not at all! Only if you equate naturalism with materialism. > > > > Stenger appears to do just that, but you have yourself helpfully > > > > provided definitions (below) which show how these two 'isms' are > > > > logically distinct. > > > > I'm going to have to agree with compost1uk here. > > As stated above, I feel an affinity to "naturalism" > > that I do not for "materialism." I have no reason > > to believe that the universe is composed entirely > > of physical matter, and plenty of subjective > > reasons to not believe that. > > > > > > Materialism would seem to be under some threat from modern > > > > physics (e.g. the peculiarity of action-at-a-distance with > > > > quantum entanglement). > > > > Not to mention the transitions from matter to energy > > and back again that seem to be clearly possible in > > physics. If we were to believe the rather absolutist > > definition of "materialism" above, are to conclude > > that its author believes that all energy is matter? > > > > That said, I remain non-theist in that I perceive no > > need to postulate a God to explain any phenomenon in > > the universe. And using Occam's Razor as a guideline, > > if postulating such a God would complicate something > > simple, it is less likely that the complicated version > > is correct. > > > > I am *open* to the idea that there might be a God and > > do not find that idea in any way threatening. It's > > just that I have no need for such an idea. It neither > > comforts nor frightens me. > > > > Why I sometimes poke fun at theists is that many of > > them, including a few on this forum, seem to believe > > in God for the latter reason -- they're *afraid* of > > Him/Her/It. They seem to be, and in fact state that > > they are, afraid that He/She/It will do Bad Things > > to them if they don't follow His/Her/Its "rules," > > which they know because they were written down in > > books written by or dictated by Hi
[FairfieldLife] Quantum Gods Don't Deserve Our Faith
We've read it before but it's always worth reminding ourselves http://www.colorado.edu/philosophy/vstenger/Dice/NewSciQGRev.pdf QUANTUM mechanics is remarkably weird: even though it is well understood mathematically and can produce accurate, ultra-precise predictions, nobody really knows what it means. This leaves lots of room for people in search of the spiritual - and who are not burdened by any knowledge of mathematics - to impose on it whatever quasi-religious beliefs or interpretations they like. In this much-needed book, physicist Victor Stenger isolates and then debunks the claims of two kinds of "quantum belief". One he calls "quantum theology" because it offers quantum physics as a way for God to act in the world without violating natural laws. The second is "quantum spirituality", which is rooted in the even vaguer notion that quantum physics connects the human mind to the universe, allowing us to create our own reality. This was the theme of the wildly popular film What the Bleep Do We Know!?, which grossed over $10 million and was responsible for creating widespread misunderstanding of quantum physics. With Stenger in charge, though, we are on sure ground. He adds even more value by weaving a thorough beginner's course in quantum physics into his debunking exercise. Like most scientists, Stenger believes most religious claims can be dealt with scientifically, so beliefs such as creationism or astrology aren't immune to science, they are merely wrong. Take the tale of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the Indian yogi (and physics graduate) who taught transcendental meditation and won a global following after the Beatles joined his Academy of Meditation in India. Maharishi claimed that transcendental meditation gave practitioners access to the "quantum field of cosmic consciousness". This, he said, was identical to SU(5), the model physicists were then investigating in their search for a grand unified theory. Sadly for cosmic consciousness, real experiments later falsified SU(5). As for the notion of creating our own reality, this relies on brains in some sense operating quantum mechanically - and there is no evidence for this. As Stenger says, the scales of distance involved in brain processing are more than a thousand times too large for quantum effects to necessarily come into play. Likewise, physicist Max Tegmark has shown that the timescales of events in the brain are 10 or more orders of magnitude longer than the timescales of "decoherence", the process by which quantum effects "leak" out of the quantum system. The notion of creating our own reality relies on brains in some sense operating quantum mechanically Meanwhile, those looking for generalised spiritual meaning tend to seek holism in quantum mechanics. Stenger cites the famous Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox. This 1935 thought experiment outlined a known conundrum in quantum mechanics and concluded that we must accept one of two explanations for it: either that quantum mechanics is a complete theory - despite its probabilistic dice-throwing; or that beneath it lies some deterministic reality, but one which is "non-local", that is, one where signals can travel faster than light speed, thereby violating Einstein's special theory of relativity. Most physicists chose the first option, except David Bohm, who famously came to believe in a non-local universe. Stenger sees little of mystical import in these experiments. They are widely discussed in the literature of quantum spiritualism, but real physicists "are underwhelmed... Quantum mechanics... passed yet another empirical test. Ho hum." Even though he skips rather dizzyingly between traditional religious beliefs, quantum spirituality and quantum physics itself, Stenger is a pleasure to read. And, pleasingly, the title Quantum Gods: Creation, chaos and the search for cosmic consciousness sounds just crackpot enough to attract those readers who will benefit most. Amanda Gefter is an opinion editor for New Scientist based in Boston If
[FairfieldLife] Re: Victor Stenger's "New Athiesm"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "compost1uk" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > Sounds like someone is holding out for a supernatural solution to > > the mystery. > > No, not at all! Only if you equate naturalism with materialism. > Stenger appears to do just that, but you have yourself helpfully > provided definitions (below) which show how these two 'isms' are > logically distinct. > > Materialism would seem to be under some threat from modern > physics (e.g. the peculiarity of action-at-a-distance with > quantum entanglement). Still, there might be life in the old dog > yet. But naturalism is not at all under threat from such > developments, no? Hmmm, interesting idea. But they seem identical to me. I would say that quantum entanglement is a material phenomenon like everything else discovered so far, it's just that the rules for the world of tiny things are so different to reality as we perceive it. In fact it's all so predictable, real and open to experi- mentation that it's one of the few things you can depend on. It all depends on whether the explanation uses the term "physical matter" from a classical view of the world, as made out of indivisible things, or from the new physics as everything being a construction through interacting probability waves or multiple universes. > > > (And why does naturalism equate to materialism?) > > > > Naturalism:- The system of thought holding that all phenomena can > > be explained in terms of natural causes and laws. > > > > Materialism:- The theory that physical matter is the only reality > > and that everything, including thought, feeling, mind, and will, > > can be explained in terms of matter and physical phenomena. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Victor Stenger's "New Athiesm"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "compost1uk" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > > > http://www.colorado.edu/philosophy/vstenger/ > > > > from the website: > > In The New Atheism, I review and expand upon the principles of New Atheism > > and answer many of its critics. I show how naturalism, the view that > > everything is matter an nothing more, is sufficient to explain all we > > observe in the universe from the most distant galaxies to the inner > > workings of the brain that result in the phenomenon of mind. > [snip] > > Phew! And all before lunch no doubt. OK, Perhaps he'll need till > tea time for "the inner workings of the brain that result in the > phenomenon of mind". But easy-peasy all the same. Sounds like someone is holding out for a supernatural solution to the mystery. > Or hubris? Have to wait and see, but the more we know about the workings of the brain the less necessary a mystical explanation becomes. > (And why does naturalism equate to materialism?) Naturalism:- The system of thought holding that all phenomena can be explained in terms of natural causes and laws. Materialism:- The theory that physical matter is the only reality and that everything, including thought, feeling, mind, and will, can be explained in terms of matter and physical phenomena.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation Raja
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" wrote: > > A Raja is the administrator of the cosmic value of life from deep within, > from the absolute, unmanifest field of eternal silence. Jeez, why does the TMO persist with it's double-speak. Raja means KING, hence the crown. Who is fooled by the term "administrator" Is it for the believers who still think they are part of a secular movement? Or is it for new recruits who can't see the big picture yet? Baffling anyway. Maharishi appointed Rajas for 192 countries of the world, to ensure invincibility for every nation and world peace by establishing large groups of experts in the technologies of Maharishi's Vedic Science. > > > > > Supreme parental role of the Raja: Administration through silence, giving > Total Knowledge, establishing affluence and peace in the nation > by Global Good News staff writer > > Global Good News > In the Maharishi's Second Year of Invincibility - Global Raam Raj, Global > Good News presents Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's explanation of the supreme > parental role of the Rajas (Administrators) of the Global Country of World > Peace for all the people in their domains, based on their administration > through silence in 192 countries of the world. > > Maharishi has explained that the functioning of Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam's* > administration of the Global Country of World Peace, supporting the creation > of enlightenment for every individual and invincibility for every nation, is > that of administration through silencethe full awakening of total Natural > Law and its infinite organizing power in the consciousness of every > individual and in the whole collective consciousness of every nation and the > entire world. > > In a beautiful address in January 2007, Maharishi explained the role of a > Raja in terms of their administration through silence. He explained that the > consciousness of the Rajas is able to hold responsibility from their deepest > level of silence. That is the requirement of a Raja. A Raja is the > Administrator of the cosmic value of life from deep within, from the > absolute, completely unmanifest field of eternal silence. > > On the basis of administering from the level of infinite pure silence in > their own consciousness, Maharishi has also beautifully described the Rajas' > supreme parental role in caring for the health, happiness, fulfilment, and > enlightenment of all the people of their domains. > > During his Global Press Conference on 25 August 2004, Maharishi was asked to > please explain what is a Raja, and what will a Raja do to create world peace? > > Maharishi responded, ' ''Raj'' means kingdom, and ''Raja'' means the owner of > the kingdom.' Maharishi gave the example of a family: > > 'The parents are owners of the family. Parents have a loving, caring, and > supporting parental relationship with their children. A Raja is supposed to > have Total Knowledge, and his relationship with the people of his kingdom is > to impart Total Knowledge. > > 'A Raja is like a father of the nation. He nourishes the children by caring > for everything for them. The supreme level of care lies in introducing Total > Knowledge to the children. This Total Knowledge will be their guiding light > for life, enabling them to achieve what they want and not have to face > problems, sickness, and suffering. Then there will be harmony in the > individual life on the ground of fulfilment, affluence, and coherence in > national consciousness. > > 'The Raja is an administrator with a parental role for his Raj. This is what > ''Raja'' means. His parental role is to support the children of his kingdom > and make them so competent, healthy, wealthy, and wise that they will always > be the guiding light of their environmentthe bright, shining light for the > destiny of all the people. . . . The only way to throw out the darkness is to > quietly bring the light. This is a very royal way of re-establishing peace, > prosperity, order, and affluence in every nation. . . . > > 'That is why I had to choose a word that will correspond with the very > natural, caring property of the parents: RajaRaja Raam*. ''Raam'' means > totality of knowledgethat is Brahm. ''Raam'' is defined as Brahm. And Raam > Raj, the kingdom of Raam, is defined as having no suffering for anyone: 'Raam > Raj dukh kahu na vyapa'. This will only be on the basis of the administrators > giving knowledge of Total Natural Law to every child.' > > * Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is the First Sovereign Ruler of the Global > Country of World Peace. > > > http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=10780790421191976 > > > Global Good News comment: > > For information about Maharishi's seven-point programme to create a healthy, > happy, prosperous society, and a peaceful world, please visit: Global > Financial Capital of New York. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM in the Middle East; Raja Peter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > A note for jealuous Buddhists and the CIA: Raja Peter on Middle East > devolopments from Dubai. > > http://maharishichannel.in/archives/gfc-archive.html > Thanks Nabb, I had a good laugh there. The theme song alone was worth the price of admission: "A group of yogic flyers, 500 or thereabout, makes the nation coherent and from the lowlands Holland is out!" Lost in translation perhaps.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How Bevan Got so Big?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert wrote: > > âHow or Why... Bevan Got so Big?â > > I think it was said that Herr Propaganda Minister, Herr Goebbels... > > Well, They used to call him... > > 'The Dwarf'...(Just in Jest of him, I would imagine...) > > This might explain, how Bevan got so big... > > Who knows, really, with the âReincarnation Thingâ for sure? > > r.g. > The story goes that when Bevan was thin he used to get ill because of all the flying around and irregular hours he did running the TMO. So Marshy instructed him to put on weight to give him some protection from imbalances. Being a good and devoted disciple he followed the instruction to the letter and perhaps a bit too much. The story also goes that Bev could often be seen in a track- suit jogging round Vlodrop wheezing "Maharishi's orders" to anyone who raised an eyebrow.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Denied, to Invincible America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" wrote: > > Folks saying good-bye. The last few days I learned that five long-time > friends are leaving Fairfield now. From different circles. Long-time > meditators. From different parts of the meditating community. > > Used to be folks figured how to come to FF to be in the domes for group > meditation . The sacrifice and excitment was about being in the domes > meditating in group. > > Seems lot of you writing here don't seem to live close to Fairfield. Some > kind of interest in Fairfieldlife but not living here in FF. > > > Not being here you may not see the complexion of the meditating community in > FF. Fact is there are a lot more FF meditators in town outside of the domes > than inside the domes. With people out and dome numbers chronically down, > that gathering impetus is less. Has been for some while. Too many turned > out who are here as meditators is a number that does eats at the dome > community. An administrative problem evidently that is the status quo. > I can see why you'd be annoyed at the TMO screwing up the running of the domes and people leaving town because of it, but you do have to see the TMOs side of it, they are a fundamentalist religious sect and like all religions they do practise a "No other God but me" approach to their gatherings. And you can see why, if people go about saying that such and such Guru is just as good as Marshy then people might start asking questions like "Could I be doing better with my choice of meditation?" and they don't want that! The trouble is the TMO insists that it's a secular group and the stuff about doing puja to Hindu Gods is really just "enlivening aspects of the laws of nature". People are genuinely fooled by that and actually act as though they aren't religious despite the fact they do yoga and meditation for hours every day, follow a prescribed diet and even say grace before every meal! That's not even getting into the weird belief system (and it is weird, you may just be so used to it you've forgotten how the rest of the world is - easily done in a closed group). Finding out that their are some serious control freak issues at the heart of the TMO comes as a shock to most and drives most people away, I don't know many without some sort of horror story about bad management. If they were straight with you from the start would there be all this trouble? But help is at hand. I sense you are concerned with the effect on collective consciousness and that the people currently being refused dome entry are going to have some sort of negative impact on world affairs. Regardless of whether the Maharishi Effect even exists (I think not - but then I always argue according to evidence and not what I'm told to think) the greater amount of people doing prog outside the domes will make up for the fewer people inside the domes. If it's a field effect (as claimed) then there must be 4000 doing prog and adding their effect (if any) to the official number. I think Hagelin and the boys at MUM should take the numbers of ALL people doing the siddhis in FF and add that to their calculations. Of course, they'd then have to explain why it STILL isn't having any effect ;-) > > > > Trouble in FF, > > > > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html > > > > > > > > > > Trouble in FF. > > > > > > > > Well, evidently meditator FF folk recently re-registering are being > > > > asked at registration if they have 'seen' other saints. Responding > > > > 'yes', these TM meditators are denied re-registration on the spot. > > > > > > > > & Raja John Hagelin is aware of this? Its consequent in the meditating > > > > community just by word of mouth on the numbers of people who could be > > > > doing program in the domes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does Hagelin know? > > > > > > Would seem like Hagelin is getting stabbed in the back by his dogmatic > > > doctrinal types within TMmovement administration. > > > > > > Must be mighty frustrating in there for Hagelin while his dome numbers > > > sag & the meditating community gets distanced from the the movement again > > > like this. Sad to watch tragedy like his. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:12:39 -0500 > > > > > Subject: Message to Invincible America from Raja John Hagelin > > > > > From: Invincible America > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The July 2009 Invincible America Assembly was perfect in every way." > > > > > - IA Course Participant > > > > > > > > > >> Now it's August. Many visitors have left. Our Super Radiance numbers > > > > > are in a lull until the MUM students return and the next group of > > > > > Maharishi Vedic Pandits arrive. > > > > > > > > > > We urgently need all local Sidhas to attend morning and evening > > > > > programs. > > > > > > > > Thank you for being here in wonderful > > > > > Fairfield and Maharishi Vedic City. > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flop: WHO warns against homeopathy use
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "eustace10679" wrote: > > Page last updated at 23:04 GMT, Thursday, 20 August 2009 00:04 UK > > WHO warns against homeopathy use > > [Homeopathic remedies often contain few or no active ingredients] This is the whole point about homeopathy - it contains no active ingredients except for the alleged "memory" of water to remember the remedies it has come in contact with. Luckily the mind is a powerful thing and the placebo effect figives enough people enough improvement in their condition to recommend it and so it goes on > > People with conditions such as HIV, TB and malaria should not rely on > homeopathic treatments, the World Health Organization has warned. > > It was responding to calls from young researchers who fear the promotion of > homeopathy in the developing world could put people's lives at risk. > > The group Voice of Young Science Network has written to health ministers to > set out the WHO view. > > WHO TB experts said homeopathy had "no place" in treatment of the disease. > > ["There is no objective evidence that homeopathy has any effect on these > infections" Dr Nick Beeching, Royal Liverpool University Hospital] > > In a letter to the WHO in June, the medics from the UK and Africa said: "We > are calling on the WHO to condemn the promotion of homeopathy for treating > TB, infant diarrhoea, influenza, malaria and HIV. > > "Homeopathy does not protect people from, or treat, these diseases. > > "Those of us working with the most rural and impoverished people of the world > already struggle to deliver the medical help that is needed. > > "When homeopathy stands in place of effective treatment, lives are lost." > > Dr Robert Hagan is a researcher in biomolecular science at the University of > St Andrews and a member of Voice of Young Science Network, which is part of > the charity Sense About Science campaigning for "evidence-based" care. > > He said: "We need governments around the world to recognise the dangers of > promoting homeopathy for life-threatening illnesses. > > "We hope that by raising awareness of the WHO's position on homeopathy we > will be supporting those people who are taking a stand against these > potentially disastrous practices." > > 'No evidence' > > Dr Mario Raviglione, director of the Stop TB department at the WHO, said: > "Our evidence-based WHO TB treatment/management guidelines, as well as the > International Standards of Tuberculosis Care do not recommend use of > homeopathy." > > The doctors had also complained that homeopathy was being promoted as a > treatment for diarrhoea in children. > > But a spokesman for the WHO department of child and adolescent health and > development said: "We have found no evidence to date that homeopathy would > bring any benefit. > > "Homeopathy does not focus on the treatment and prevention of dehydration - > in total contradiction with the scientific basis and our recommendations for > the management of diarrhoea." > > Dr Nick Beeching, a specialist in infectious diseases at the Royal Liverpool > University Hospital, said: "Infections such as malaria, HIV and tuberculosis > all have a high mortality rate but can usually be controlled or cured by a > variety of proven treatments, for which there is ample experience and > scientific trial data. > > "There is no objective evidence that homeopathy has any effect on these > infections, and I think it is irresponsible for a healthcare worker to > promote the use of homeopathy in place of proven treatment for any > life-threatening illness." > > (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8211925.stm) >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Denied, to Invincible America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" wrote: > > Trouble in FF, > > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html These figures don't look too bad. Looks like the numbers are returning to their normal level before the summer course. Which means the world will be as safe (or not) as it always was going to be because, let's face it, the IA course has proved that the ME does absolutely Jack-shit and it's about time those at the top admitted it and sent those poor Indian kids home so they can get some sort of life together outside of just chanting all day to make wealthy westerners feel better about themselves. So stop worrying, anyone who's banned from the dome is going to be ultimately better off without these fundy weirdo's ruling their lives. > > > > > > > Trouble in FF. > > > > > > Well, evidently meditator FF folk recently re-registering are being asked > > > at registration if they have 'seen' other saints. Responding 'yes', > > > these TM meditators are denied re-registration on the spot. > > > > > > & Raja John Hagelin is aware of this? Its consequent in the meditating > > > community just by word of mouth on the numbers of people who could be > > > doing program in the domes? > > > > > > > > > > > > Does Hagelin know? > > > > Would seem like Hagelin is getting stabbed in the back by his dogmatic > > doctrinal types within TMmovement administration. > > > > Must be mighty frustrating in there for Hagelin while his dome numbers sag > > & the meditating community gets distanced from the the movement again like > > this. Sad to watch tragedy like his. > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:12:39 -0500 > > > > Subject: Message to Invincible America from Raja John Hagelin > > > > From: Invincible America > > > > > > > > > > > > "The July 2009 Invincible America Assembly was perfect in every way." > > > > - IA Course Participant > > > > > > > >> Now it's August. Many visitors have left. Our Super Radiance numbers > > > > are in a lull until the MUM students return and the next group of > > > > Maharishi Vedic Pandits arrive. > > > > > > > > We urgently need all local Sidhas to attend morning and evening > > > > programs. > > > > > > Thank you for being here in wonderful > > > > Fairfield and Maharishi Vedic City. > > > > > > > > JAI GURU DEV > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Relaxation. Proof it's good for you!
Relax - it's good for you Meditation has long been lauded. Now science has shown that deep relaxation changes our bodies on a genetic level - for the better. Anastasia Stephens reports. It's a piece of advice yogis have given for thousands of years: take a deep breath and relax. Watch the tension melt from your muscles and all your niggling worries vanish. Somehow we all know that relaxation is good for us. Now the hard science has caught up: a comprehensive scientific study showing that deep relaxation changes our bodies on a genetic level has just been published. What researchers at Harvard Medical School discovered is that, in long-term practitioners of relaxation methods such as yoga and meditation, far more ''disease-fighting genes'' were active, compared to those who practised no form of relaxation. In particular, they found genes that protect from disorders such as pain, infertility, high blood pressure and even rheumatoid arthritis were switched on. The changes, say the researchers, were induced by what they call ''the relaxation effect'', a phenomenon that could be just as powerful as any medical drug but without the side effects. ''We found a range of disease-fighting genes were active in the relaxation practitioners that were not active in the control group,'' Dr Herbert Benson, associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, who led the research, says. The good news for the control group with the less-healthy genes is that the research didn't stop there. The experiment, which showed just how responsive genes are to behaviour, mood and environment, revealed that genes can switch on, just as easily as they switch off. ''Harvard researchers asked the control group to start practising relaxation methods every day,'' says Jake Toby, hypnotherapist at London's BodyMind Medicine Centre, who teaches clients how to induce the relaxation effect. ''After two months, their bodies began to change: the genes that help fight inflammation, kill diseased cells and protect the body from cancer all began to switch on.'' More encouraging still, the benefits of the relaxation effect were found to increase with regular practice: the more people practised relaxation methods such as meditation or deep breathing, the greater their chances of remaining free of arthritis and joint pain with stronger immunity, healthier hormone levels and lower blood pressure. Benson believes the research is pivotal because it shows how a person's state of mind affects the body on a physical and genetic level. It might also explain why relaxation induced by meditation or repetitive mantras is considered to be a powerful remedy in traditions such as Ayurveda in India or Tibetan medicine. But just how can relaxation have such wide-ranging and powerful effects? Research has described the negative effects of stress on the body. Linked to the release of the stress-hormones adrenalin and cortisol, stress raises the heart rate and blood pressure, weakens immunity and lowers fertility. By contrast, the state of relaxation is linked to higher levels of feel-good chemicals such as serotonin and to the growth hormone which repairs cells and tissue. Indeed, studies show that relaxation has virtually the opposite effect, lowering heart rate, boosting immunity and enabling the body to thrive. ''On a biological level, stress is linked to fight-flight and danger,'' Dr Jane Flemming, a London GP, says. ''In survival mode, heart rate rises and blood pressure shoots up. Meanwhile muscles, preparing for danger, contract and tighten. And non-essential functions such as immunity and digestion go by the wayside.'' Relaxation, on the other hand, is a state of rest, enjoyment and physical renewal. Free of danger, muscles can relax and food can be digested. The heart can slow and blood circulation flows freely to the body's tissues, feeding it with nutrients and oxygen. This restful state is good for fertility, as the body is able to conserve the resources it needs to generate new life. While relaxation techniques can be very different, their biological effects are essentially similar. ''When you relax, the parasympathetic nervous system switches on. That is linked to better digestion, memory and immunity, among other things,'' Toby says. ''As long as you relax deeply, you'll reap the rewards.'' But, he warns, deep relaxation isn't the sort of switching off you do relaxing with a cup of tea or lounging on the sofa. ''What you're looking for is a state of deep relaxation where tension is released from the body on a physical level and your mind completely switches off,'' he says. ''The effect won't be achieved by lounging round in an everyday way, nor can you force yourself to relax. You can only really achieve it by learning a specific technique such as self-hypnosis, guided imagery or meditation.'' The relaxation effect, however, may not be as pronounced on everyone. ''Some pe
[FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking news : "Raja" Schiffgens identified as government agent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 4, 2008, at 2:10 AM, hugheshugo wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > "go take a header into a cesspool you ugly spirited prick" > > > > And from the very same sentence: > > > > "at least I cultured my nervous system to nurture > > and retain and expand my New Age values" > > The paradox of Brahman! > Boy, you found that post quick. I do find contradictions like that funny hence the clip from Fawlty Towers where the humour is derived from English uptightness and nothing else, Basil had a brain injury you see and... ah well maybe it was in poor taste...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking news : "Raja" Schiffgens identified as government agent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Rick, > > > > nice discussion. > > Good points raised. > > > > But really: > > Guy Fawkes Day is Nov 5th. > > And Aprils Fools Day is April 1st. > > > > So the guy sending this blame against > > Raja Emanuel definitely has something > > against him. > > > > It would be nice to ask this "Guy Fawkes" to > > identify himself and state his real intentions... > > > > In Germany, blaming s.o. for working for the > > secret service against good intentions of a group > > is really serious damage. That was intended with > > this > > post. > > > > If someone like a politician would have thrown such > > an insult, > > and didn`t have any proof, he would loose his job > > right away... > > > > cheers > > > > joerg. > > Dear Joerg, > Please loosen your teutonic uptightness. This is > a joke; a funny; a who-ha. Don't they have those in > Deutschland? Are we going to have to wage war with you > again? (that comment is a joke). Just thought of a > great Monty Python skit. Concentration camp for > humor-lacking Germans. Camp guarded by tiny poodles, > guards in clown outfits, but commandant and staff has > that hyper-serious teutonic attitude. "You will > develop a sense of humor or die trying" But German > prisoners just don't get it. > No Pete, whatever you do don't mention the war!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7U-_tJVmw&feature=related I did once but I think I got away with it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking news : "Raja" Schiffgens identified as government agent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Rick, > > nice discussion. > Good points raised. > > But really: > Guy Fawkes Day is Nov 5th. > And Aprils Fools Day is April 1st. > > So the guy sending this blame against > Raja Emanuel definitely has something > against him. I doubt he has anything against him Joerg, GF just has a sense of humour about your hilarious costumes, I'm sure if you could take a step back and see all this "raja" bullshit for what it is you would be laughing too. My question to you Joerg is, why are you reading FFL? Is monitoring this site something done by international regularly? If so, why? I'm hoping it's just because you like hearing about peoples success on different spiritual paths, enjoy different opinions and find healthy open debate refreshing. I'd hate to think the TMO was so cultish it felt it had to monitor potential dissent. Do let us know. > It would be nice to ask this "Guy Fawkes" to > identify himself and state his real intentions... I can't speak for him but I'm pretty sure his intention is to make us laugh. Mission accomplished in that respect. > In Germany, blaming s.o. for working for the > secret service against good intentions of a group > is really serious damage. That was intended with this > post. > > If someone like a politician would have thrown such an insult, > and didn`t have any proof, he would loose his job right away... > cheers > > joerg. > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release Date: 5/3/2008 > 11:22 AM >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking news : "Raja" Schiffgens identified as government agent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, I'm a hypocrite, but I know it, and I know that I should apply > mercy and forgiveness to those who are psychologically broken like the > tragic wrecks that you and Off are, but I have my limits -- which I'm > trying to grow out of. I'm figuring another ten years before the likes > of you can be stomached like some Cayjun char on a rack of blackened > ribs -- unhealthy, bitter by itself, but a neat highlight otherwise. > Until then, you're char, say, about a 55 gallon drum of it. > > I'm not a cheek turner as much as I like the philosophy -- to me, > turning a cheek is like a supreme zen moment -- it'd better be real. > Faking one's turning of a cheek is, oh let's ballpark it, about ten > zillion times worse than getting triggered beyond one's ability to > retain emotional clarity/balance and then lashing out. > > My lashing out is a set of words on message boards -- that's my > sublimation -- I don't drive fast, drink to excess, chew my > fingernails, have insomnia, sic the snow-cops my shit-head neighbor > who never once shoveled his walk in the worse winter of all time in > Madison, WI, watch slasher flicks, lose myself in video games, over > eat, or cheat on my taxes. And that's merely the beginning of a very > long list of behaviors and morals I mindfully tend. > > Whereas you, when a friendly person says you should read a bit more > about astronomy, get defensive and vow to retain your ignorance and > delusions like you've been challenged in a bar fight. > > Edg "Psychologically broken and tragic wreck" - A tad harsh perhaps! I only thought it was funny how you could be both refined and insulting in the same breath. And you weren't coming over as friendly the other day, you were coming over as extremely patronising. I doubt you'll find many who don't get touchy about that. Besides, you didn't get it, the thought experiment about blowing the universe up was primarily a bit of fun. Honest. I didn't even think of it, don't take it so seriously. > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "go take a header into a cesspool you ugly spirited prick" > > > > And from the very same sentence: > > > > "at least I cultured my nervous system to nurture > > and retain and expand my New Age values" > > > > Love it. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking news : "Raja" Schiffgens identified as government agent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "go take a header into a cesspool you ugly spirited prick" And from the very same sentence: "at least I cultured my nervous system to nurture and retain and expand my New Age values" Love it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking news : "Raja" Schiffgens identified as government agent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Give poor Joerg a break. He's German. We are highly > serious people. > I wrote "some parts of Europe" rather than simply "Germany" just so I wouldn't offend you. Nice to know you wouldn't have minded ;-) > > --- hermandan0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Strange too, that some folks see humor as hate. > > What's that saying > > again? Oh yeah -- knowledge is structured in > > consciousness! > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick > > Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rick, you should be careful, who is posting > > what. > > > > > > > > I think, the message with the number 175 678, > > > > stating, that Raja Emanuel was caught as an BND > > agent, > > > > is really crime. > > > > Posted by someone as Guyfawkes, only shows, that > > some > > > > people are full of hate. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah you'd better be careful Rick, humour is still > > a > > > crime in some parts of Europe. We could have you > > extradited > > > as part of Guy Fawkes' sinister new plot. You know > > > what happened after the last one. > > > > > > Nice to know international are on the case though, > > > stamping out fun wherever it my arise. > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking news : "Raja" Schiffgens identified as government agent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Rick, you should be careful, who is posting what. > > I think, the message with the number 175 678, > stating, that Raja Emanuel was caught as an BND agent, > is really crime. > Posted by someone as Guyfawkes, only shows, that some > people are full of hate. > > There is NO such message or news from Reuters in germany. > > And I know Emanuel personally. > > Just looking into details of that "message": > It was the maharishi personally, who made the prices. > I was there in Vlodrop, when he said: > Having gotten it (the TM) from Guru Dev doesn`t mean > to give it out cheap. > > Would be interesting, to track down, who that guy really is. > Or think about, wether you accept people to really > post anonymous about such matters. > > cheers > > joerg. > Yeah you'd better be careful Rick, humour is still a crime in some parts of Europe. We could have you extradited as part of Guy Fawkes' sinister new plot. You know what happened after the last one. Nice to know international are on the case though, stamping out fun wherever it my arise. > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1409 - Release Date: 5/1/2008 > 8:39 AM >
[FairfieldLife] Re: LSD chemist dies at 102
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > I agree with Curtis and with others who said that > > > the trouble with LSD was the "recreationalization" > > > of the drug. It was a sacrament, and used as one, > > > could lead to valuable insights -- about the world, > > > about the self, and about Self. Like him, I never > > > had anything but the most positive, uplifting > > > experiences during the period that I experimented > > > with LSD, and have the greatest respect for it. > > > I liken its "cheapening" as something to party > > > down with to some callous youth finding a 200-year- > > > old bottle of the finest cognac and seeing it only > > > as a way to get drunk. > > > > I always wondered what the therapeutic use might be, > > it always seemed so confusing and so much never-the-same > > thing-twice, perhaps it was the mind expanding sense of > > greater reality that helped put things into perspective > > for people. I sure never looked at the world the > > same way. > > I'm sure Cary didn't, either. I don't know any > of the particulars of who his shrink might have > been and whether he was successful using LSD in > his practice with a large number of patients. > But I can certainly see it as being possible. > The phenomenon of "putting things into perspec- > tive" alone would be invaluable to many people > whose perspective had gotten skewed enough that > they sought psychiatric counseling. > > On the other hand, I would suspect that the > shrink in question had to be very, very careful > about whom it was appropriate to use this kind > of therapy *with*. I'm thinking it would be > possibly appropriate with patients who were > dealing with neuroses and problems in their > daily lives, and hideously inappropriate with > someone dealing with psychosis. > > > But more likely the dose was smaller than you'd take > > at one of Leary or Keseys' (or my) acid parties. > > Actually, it wasn't so much the dosage but the > purity. 125 micrograms of real Sandoz acid was > far more powerful than "1000 mics" of street > acid. Kesey's parties (I only attended one of > them) "served" Sandoz acid at the start, and > later Owsley stuff, so they were pretty fun > parties. :-) > > > I would like to have tried it in that context but I can't > > see our recreational use as cheapening it, we had real God > > consciousness experiences, and the music helps, in fact > > it's designed to take you as far as you can go. > > Please forgive my overly harsh condemnation of > "party acid" earlier. I was definitely includ- > ing myself as one of the targets of that rant. > Some friends of mine and I ran a light show and > concert promotion business back in 1966-7, and > heck, we *worked* stoned on acid. :-) You worked! Jesus, the only technical thing I could do was roll joints, no matter where we were or how wasted we got I could always get a number together. What a great skill! Saved the day many a time I can tell you. I should put that on my C.V. I remember you posted a list of bands you had at your parties, It was good stuff. I would have loved to have been there. Must've been great, I read Wolfes Kool aid- acid test and felt I'd been born too late. But we made the best of it with bands like the Ozric Tentacles who had the most amazing light show. It was a blast. I remember you had The Doors at a party they are probably my fave band from then. Or Spirit perhaps , did you hear their LP "The Twelve Dreams of Doctor Sardonicus", what a classic. Or the earlier jazzy stuff they did. Highly recommended. > I was also known to party down on acid more than > once during that period...uh...often in fact. Mea > culpa. :-) It's just that in retrospect (the last > time I took LSD was in 1967) I lament pissing away > on a party what I could have used in the silence > of the desert or a forest. > > But hey!, as you say, the parties were fun, too. > And the music just rocked. > > > We all ended up kidding ourselves it was the "real" > > reality that would somehow lead us to the promised land. > > Didn't work of course, not for anyone. But you have to > > follow every lead in my view. The problem comes, as it > > does with all drugs, when you start taking it too seriously > > and mistake the signpos
[FairfieldLife] Re: May Day
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert wrote: > > > > And that sexual union? Brings us right back to the Maypole, > > essentially an enormous phallus, thrust deep into the earth, > > around which young men and women dance, weaving colored > > ribbons in encouragement of theearth's (and their own) > > fertility. For many Pagans, dancing the Maypoleis an > > enchanted experience, uniting the energy of the earth, and > > the energy of the sun to yield a bountiful harvest. So, > > whether you subscribe to the more... suggestive interpret- > > ations or not, clearly a day of celebration is upon us. > > We at Daily Mantra hope you enjoy. > > Now she tells me. Out on the beach just now, when > that cute young woman walked up to me carrying a > handful of colored ribbons and asked me if I wanted > to go somewhere with her and help her wrap them > around something, I foolishly thought she was talk- > ing about wrapping presents, and begged off. > > < slaps forehead > > > :-) > > Happy May Day to one and all. It's a national holiday > here in Spain, as it was in France, and so everyone > is out at the beach soaking up...uh...the energy of > the sun. I presume that any Beltane dances and jump- > ing over bonfires will be later in the evening, and > that they will yield a bountiful harvest of fun, > and perhaps more. > And a happy May Day to you. Sounds like a good party. I'm making it a holiday, I'm off on my bike to an ancient burial mound to watch the clouds go by. But first, this here clip is Morris dancing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjLATAUwao&feature=related It's the traditional May Day folk dance of Olde England. Maybe it's just me but there isn't too much sexy going on here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: LSD chemist dies at 102
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > After breathing the solvents he had used produced no effect, Hofmann > > suspected that the synthetic drug was the source. "LSD spoke to me," > > he said. "He came to me and said, 'You must find me.' He told > > me, 'Don't give me to the pharmacologist, he won't find anything.' " > > > > "A peculiar pre-sentiment" - One of those intuitive > > moments where the unconcious mind seems to know more about > > what's going on than you do. > > > > Like Francis Crick dreaming of spiral staircases when > > he was stuck on working out how DNA reproduced itself. > > One of the greatest flashes of inspiration. But rumour > > has it that when he was on his death-bed he admitted > > the inspiration came to him during an acid trip. > > Here's an interesting piece of American celebrity > lore that I always found interesting. Picture Cary > Grant, right? The quintessence of outgoing charm, > poise, elegance, and savoir faire, even though he > started life as Archie Leach in a poor neighborhood > in England. Well, as it turns out, Cary Grant drop- > ped acid 2-3 times a week for much of his adult life > under the care of his psychiatrist, a rebel who > "came up" during the early psychedelic revolution > with Leary and Alpert, and who never abandoned his > belief that it (LSD) could be a powerful and bene- > ficial psychiatric tool. It would appear, given the > generally positive response that most people have > to the vibe of his long-term patient, that he was > correct. > > I agree with Curtis and with others who said that > the trouble with LSD was the "recreationalization" > of the drug. It was a sacrament, and used as one, > could lead to valuable insights -- about the world, > about the self, and about Self. Like him, I never > had anything but the most positive, uplifting > experiences during the period that I experimented > with LSD, and have the greatest respect for it. > I liken its "cheapening" as something to party > down with to some callous youth finding a 200-year- > old bottle of the finest cognac and seeing it only > as a way to get drunk. > I always wondered what the therapeutic use might be, it always seemed so confusing and so much never-the-same thing-twice, perhaps it was the mind expanding sense of greater reality that helped put things into perspective for people. I sure never looked at the world the same way. But more likely the dose was smaller than you'd take at one of Leary or Keseys' (or my) acid parties. I would like to have tried it in that context but I can't see our recreational use as cheapening it, we had real God consciousness experiences, and the music helps, in fact it's designed to take you as far as you can go. We all ended up kidding ourselves it was the "real" reality that would somehow lead us to the promised land. Didn't work of course, not for anyone. But you have to follow every lead in my view. The problem comes, as it does with all drugs, when you start taking it too seriously and mistake the signpost for the destination. Or using it to escape rather than arrive, That must be what Albert saw and worried about. It did make a good party great, you could save the analysis for when you got home. Which we did, the best times tripping are when you're with people you like in cosy surroundings, good music etc. Best of all on a summer day out in the country on magic mushrooms, got a real connection with nature, it's like the same movie but with different cinemaphotography. It made me wonder that there was some greater power connecting everything together for a tiny little piece of fungus to have that sort of effect on you. I've seen clouds turn into the most beautiful living statues of Greek Gods and dragons coiled round the moon, battalions of tigers chasing across the sky at sunset. I could go on but I'm sure you get the general idea. Cheapening or not, it was the best of times. Perhaps the true sacrament is the mind and hallucinogenics just one of the keys to unlock it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: LSD chemist dies at 102
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Another good piece in the LAT (you probably need to register for > free): > > http://tinyurl.com/3tqkld > Thanks Bob, this article had the bit of the story I love: "But testing in experimental animals showed no significant activity for the drug -- although the animals were observed to become restless after its administration -- and it was abandoned. During this period, Hofmann synthesized at least three amides that became drugs: Methergine, used to halt bleeding after birth; Hydergine, which improves circulation in the limbs and cerebral function in the elderly; and Dihydergot, used to stabilize circulation and blood pressure. Prompted by what Hofmann later described as a "peculiar presentiment" that LSD-25 might have properties other than those established in the first investigations, he decided to look at it again. On Friday afternoon, April 16, 1943, Hofmann had just completed synthesizing a new batch when, he subsequently wrote to his supervisor, "I was forced to interrupt my work in the laboratory in the middle of the afternoon and proceed home, being affected by a remarkable restlessness, combined with slight dizziness. "At home, I lay down and sank into a not-unpleasant intoxicated-like condition, characterized by an extremely stimulated imagination. In a dreamlike state I perceived an uninterrupted stream of fantastic pictures, extraordinary shapes with intense, kaleidoscopic play of colors. After some two hours, this condition faded away." Hofmann suspected that the state had been caused by something in the lab. In an interview on his 100th birthday, he said, "I didn't know what caused it, but I knew that it was important." After breathing the solvents he had used produced no effect, Hofmann suspected that the synthetic drug was the source. "LSD spoke to me," he said. "He came to me and said, 'You must find me.' He told me, 'Don't give me to the pharmacologist, he won't find anything.' " "A peculiar pre-sentiment" - One of those intuitive moments where the unconcious mind seems to know more about what's going on than you do. Like Francis Crick dreaming of spiral staircases when he was stuck on working out how DNA reproduced itself. One of the greatest flashes of inspiration. But rumour has it that when he was on his death-bed he admitted the inspiration came to him during an acid trip.
[FairfieldLife] Re: LSD chemist dies at 102
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Dr. Hofmann first synthesized the compound lysergic acid > diethylamide in 1938 but did not discover its psychopharmacological > effects until five years later, when he accidentally ingested the > substance that became known to the 1960s counterculture as acid. > > He then took LSD hundreds of times, but regarded it as a powerful and > potentially dangerous psychotropic drug that demanded respect. More > important to him than the pleasures of the psychedelic experience was > the drug's value as a revelatory aid for contemplating and > understanding what he saw as humanity's oneness with nature. That > perception, of union, which came to Dr. Hofmann as almost a religious > epiphany while still a child, directed much of his personal and > professional life. > > Dr. Hofmann was born in Baden, a spa town in northern Switzerland, on > Jan. 11, 1906, the eldest of four children. His father, who had no > higher education, was a toolmaker in a local factory, and the family > lived in a rented apartment. But Dr. Hofmann spent much of his > childhood outdoors. > > He would wander the hills above the town and play around the ruins of > a Hapsburg castle, the Stein. "It was a real paradise up there," he > said in an interview in 2006. "We had no money, but I had a wonderful > childhood." > > It was during one of his ambles that he had his epiphany. > > "It happened on a May morning I have forgotten the year but I can > still point to the exact spot where it occurred, on a forest path on > Martinsberg above Baden," he wrote in "LSD: My Problem Child." "As I > strolled through the freshly greened woods filled with bird song and > lit up by the morning sun, all at once everything appeared in an > uncommonly clear light. > > "It shone with the most beautiful radiance, speaking to the heart, as > though it wanted to encompass me in its majesty. I was filled with an > indescribable sensation of joy, oneness and blissful security." > > (more) > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/30/world/europe/30hofmann.html > Good old Albert, Rest in Peace dude. That's a really good obit, with lots I didn't know, like the epiphany he had as a child. And the "bicycle day" celebration among acid-heads, wouldn't fancy riding a bike under the influence mind you. Ah, I get nostalgic thinking about the great times I had thanks to Alb and his freaky, synchronicitous discovery. It was an essential part of the spiritual path for me. Opens the mind to the possibilites of infinite consciousness. It's a shame the path of excess doesn't really lead to the palace of wisdom, but there is some marvellous scenery on the way. Shame it doesn't mix with the meditation but you can't have everything. I was going to call my autobiography: "Albert Hofmann - His part in my downfall" But I wasn't sure how many would've got the joke.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Among Galactic Civilizations, Earth Is Class Zero
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Okay, we're done. Yes, I think we're done too. You didn't really get what I was talking about, or even begin to accept that I might actually know about this stuff and was simply relaying a thought experiment by one of the worlds foremost physicists. It could have been interesting, but never mind. Have fun on the new forum, if you can persuade anyone to leave with you. > You're not reading, you're not learning, and you're > wasting both our times. > > Have fun believing you stuff. Given your recent threads, I'll take a > wild guess and say that you don't have any friends who know any better > than you, or if they do, they've gotten to know how you think and have > given up, as I do, now, officially, trying to correct your views. > > Geeze at this rate, I'm saving myself a lot of angst by letting you, > Shemp, the War Monger, Off etc. just spew and spew the goofiest stuff. > > Richard, you could have at least read the whole articles at wiki that > I referred you to instead of just the first sentence. You're hooking > onto a fact here, a fact there, but ignoring most of the subtleties > and then concluding about reality based on only a couple facts. And > you have totally not countered many of my explanations. > > Hmmm, what other researchers do that sort of "science?" > > Sigh. > > If I could get about ten of the folks here to start posting at another > Yahoo group that bans trolls and dunderheads, I'd never read another > post here. > > Edg > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I believe said, Hawking discussed it in connection with > > the fermi paradox mainly as entertainment, so don't cancel > > the pension plan. > > > > Nobody ever said it was likely but it is possible, as the first > > paragraph of your article states; > > > > "But the chance of planetary annihilation by this means "is totally > > miniscule," experimental physicist Greg Landsberg" > > > > 50,000,000,000 to 1 against was never worth losing sleep over. > > It's just a bit of fun. > > > > > > Still no opinion on my "Only carboniferous period gave humans > > enough free energy and materials to develop serious technology, > > and is a possible solution to the Fermi paradox" theory? > > > > I've been googling for a bit and no one else seems to > > link the lack of one with Fermi, I'm on to something I reckon. > > Will keep you posted, maybe I can increase my projected IQ > > to more than 40 points. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Among Galactic Civilizations, Earth Is Class Zero
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I believe said, Hawking discussed it in connection with the fermi paradox mainly as entertainment, so don't cancel the pension plan. Nobody ever said it was likely but it is possible, as the first paragraph of your article states; "But the chance of planetary annihilation by this means "is totally miniscule," experimental physicist Greg Landsberg" 50,000,000,000 to 1 against was never worth losing sleep over. It's just a bit of fun. Still no opinion on my "Only carboniferous period gave humans enough free energy and materials to develop serious technology, and is a possible solution to the Fermi paradox" theory? I've been googling for a bit and no one else seems to link the lack of one with Fermi, I'm on to something I reckon. Will keep you posted, maybe I can increase my projected IQ to more than 40 points.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Among Galactic Civilizations, Earth Is Class Zero
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > Richard, > > > > I'm starting to feel like Ronald Regan over here when I say to you, > > "There you go again." > > > > The Earth is bombarded -- and "bombarded" is exactly the correct > term > > -- by "cosmic particles and rays." These things arrive here at > speeds > > that are so high that the new accelerator you're afraid of is a > > comparatively -- no exaggeration now -- a puny little affair > indeed. > > > > Trillions upon trillions of "stuff-n-bits" bombard our atmosphere > > every second, and most of these collisions are impacts of greater > > "risk" than anything that will happen in the new accelerator -- > which > > is doing "about one" such "bombardment event" per experiment. > > > > The cosmos should have created a new big bang by now, donchatink? > > > > There isn't a physicist on the planet who will disagree with the > above. > > Sorry edg but they all would, I think it's you that needs to > do a bit more reading on this subject. The stuff that hits > earth wouldn't harm us in any way, usually. The odd big one > gets through, talk to the dinos about that. It certainly > wouldn't cause a big bang. And it wasn't what I was refering to. > > What I was refering to was the sort of energy created inside > particle accelerators that hasn't been seen since the big bang. > It really hasn't and we are switching on the biggest this year. > There is a 50 billion to one chance that it will destroy the > universe and create a new one at the same time. Hawking talked > about this partly for amusement and as a thought experiment in > a speech the other day. I don't make this stuff up. I think > it's an intruiging idea, and while it isn't likely (I wouldn't > cancel the pension plan) it is possible. Some people object > to scientists taking chances like this "who gives em the right!" > they say. I say do it, it isn't like it would hurt if it all > goes pear-shaped. > > But just reading New Scientist every week is pointless, > you have to get your mental hands dirty. So what did you > think of my idea about life on planets without a carboniferous > period never evolving beyond a primitive culture because of > lack of resources, energy etc? That's my own contribution to > the debate, and it's good I think. Because without fossil > fuels what could we have done? > > You won't find it on wikipedia yet, but next time I'm hanging > with my physicist and cosmologist mates I'll lay it on em. > They're all Oxford educated and have kept me up to date on > this stuff for twenty odd years now. I know more about > evolution than all of them put together so I'm not surprised > no one ever came up with it before. > > I don't know why you think I don't know what I'm talking about > here, maybe I'm too flippant in my tossing about of ideas. > But I've done a lot of reading on this and it all kind of > hangs about in there, so I never bother with links and stuff, > I just generalise for ease of consumption, maybe that's it. I want to edit the above coz it makes me look like I think I'm an expert in something. What I mean is I get all the practical upshots and understand the concepts because the scientists who do the work are good at explaining things, it's actually difficult not to get the hang of it if you want to spend twenty years with your head in books about space and stuff. And when I say "I know more about evolution than all of them put together" I'm refering to my physics pals and it's them that tell me this. I'd hate to come over as arrogant, confident I can cope with ;-) > And I know how science works Edg, it's a process of refinement > and experiment, no absolutes. Just the best guess we can make > given the current knowledge. That's what I like about it. > > "There is speculation, there is wild speculation and there is > cosmology" > > I can't remember who said it, but it's true. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Among Galactic Civilizations, Earth Is Class Zero
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Richard, > > I'm starting to feel like Ronald Regan over here when I say to you, > "There you go again." > > The Earth is bombarded -- and "bombarded" is exactly the correct term > -- by "cosmic particles and rays." These things arrive here at speeds > that are so high that the new accelerator you're afraid of is a > comparatively -- no exaggeration now -- a puny little affair indeed. > > Trillions upon trillions of "stuff-n-bits" bombard our atmosphere > every second, and most of these collisions are impacts of greater > "risk" than anything that will happen in the new accelerator -- which > is doing "about one" such "bombardment event" per experiment. > > The cosmos should have created a new big bang by now, donchatink? > > There isn't a physicist on the planet who will disagree with the above. Sorry edg but they all would, I think it's you that needs to do a bit more reading on this subject. The stuff that hits earth wouldn't harm us in any way, usually. The odd big one gets through, talk to the dinos about that. It certainly wouldn't cause a big bang. And it wasn't what I was refering to. What I was refering to was the sort of energy created inside particle accelerators that hasn't been seen since the big bang. It really hasn't and we are switching on the biggest this year. There is a 50 billion to one chance that it will destroy the universe and create a new one at the same time. Hawking talked about this partly for amusement and as a thought experiment in a speech the other day. I don't make this stuff up. I think it's an intruiging idea, and while it isn't likely (I wouldn't cancel the pension plan) it is possible. Some people object to scientists taking chances like this "who gives em the right!" they say. I say do it, it isn't like it would hurt if it all goes pear-shaped. But just reading New Scientist every week is pointless, you have to get your mental hands dirty. So what did you think of my idea about life on planets without a carboniferous period never evolving beyond a primitive culture because of lack of resources, energy etc? That's my own contribution to the debate, and it's good I think. Because without fossil fuels what could we have done? You won't find it on wikipedia yet, but next time I'm hanging with my physicist and cosmologist mates I'll lay it on em. They're all Oxford educated and have kept me up to date on this stuff for twenty odd years now. I know more about evolution than all of them put together so I'm not surprised no one ever came up with it before. I don't know why you think I don't know what I'm talking about here, maybe I'm too flippant in my tossing about of ideas. But I've done a lot of reading on this and it all kind of hangs about in there, so I never bother with links and stuff, I just generalise for ease of consumption, maybe that's it. And I know how science works Edg, it's a process of refinement and experiment, no absolutes. Just the best guess we can make given the current knowledge. That's what I like about it. "There is speculation, there is wild speculation and there is cosmology" I can't remember who said it, but it's true.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Among Galactic Civilizations, Earth Is Class Zero
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To All: > > I was watching a film clip on UTube last night which featured a > Physics Professor Kaku from New York City University. He stated > that, at the present time, there appears to be no evidence of any > civilizations in the galaxy that have achieved mastery over nature. > Physicists are using a classification system with the following > achievement value: > > Class 1- a civilization that has achieved mastery in using the > available resources in its own planet. > > Class 2 - a civilization that has harnessed the power of the Sun, > after exhausting the energy resources in its own planet. > > Class 3 - a civilization that has harnessed the power of the galaxy, > after exhausting its reliance on the Sun. > > Using this criteria, the professor believed that the Earth is Class > Zero since the civilization of Earth is still relying on fossil fuels > for its enery resource. > > In science fiction speak, Class 2 civilizations would be equivalent > to the Star Trek spacefarers. > > Class 3 civilizations would be equivalent to the Empire in Star Wars. > Stephen Hawking has a good explanation for why there are apparently no species more technologically advanced than we are. This year scientists are switching on the largest particle accelarator yet, in an attempt to re-create the condition of the universe just after the big-bang. There is an outside possibility that causing this much energy will destroy the universe, that's right, destroy the universe, create another big-bang! As it's impossible to know beforehand that this is going to happen we are happy to give it a go in a spirit of inquiry. Now, suppose that in order to become a super advanced civilisation you have to go through the inquisitive stage of theory and experiment, you will need to build a machine like that at CERN laboratories. Maybe, every time a species got this far they would destroy everything. So, perhaps we are as advanced as anyone is likely to get. I reckon that in order to get as far as we have you need to have had a carboniferous period in your planets evolution. This is by no means predictable as we could have evolved long before we did and the several hundred million years of trees dying and being buried by changing sea levels might not have happened before we got here, which would leave us never evolving further than the bronze age, if that. It is only because the amount of energy we get from fossil fuels has made us so comfortable that we have the time, raw materials, plastics etc and excess power to look for big science concepts like the Higgs particle. We could be the only ones ever who are looking for the Higgs "Goddam particle" and we owe it all to dead trees. Far out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Atlantis Is Buried Underneath the Snow of Antartica
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To All: > > See this show (Forbidden Archeology), narrated by Charleton Heston, at: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=accRaF8HxNg. > > Is there a conspiracy to hide the truth? There must be, your link doesn't work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Racist Are You? -- The Game
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So. How racist are you? That's the question asked by an online > psychology test by the University of Chicago. The test involves showing > you a series of photographs of 100 black or white men, either holding > guns or cellphones. You have to decide - in a split second - whether to > shoot them or to holster your gun. > > Go to: http://www.neatorama.com/2008/04/27/how-racist-are-you/ > > ** > > Marek's Score: 460 (I ended up shooting some guys with cellphones.) > Average reaction time: > Black Armed:685.92ms > Black Unarmed:775.16ms > White Armed:647.76ms > White Unarmed:723.6ms > Great fun, My score seems to indicate I'm the "Shoot first ask questions later" type of guy. Hugo's Score: -125 Average reaction time: Black Armed:784.64ms Black Unarmed:837.84ms White Armed:760.92ms White Unarmed:834.4ms It seems to imply I'm only a teeny bit more likely to shoot an armed black guy, but it's mainly a pretty good argument for keeping guns illegal in England. But then I wouldn't go out armed with a keyboard with, effectively, two triggers. And people aren't likely to be demanding my wallet while armed with a mobile phone. So maybe it all works itself out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Among Galactic Civilizations, Earth Is Class Zero
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > To All: > > > > I was watching a film clip on UTube last night which featured a > > Physics Professor Kaku from New York City University. He stated > > that, at the present time, there appears to be no evidence of any > > civilizations in the galaxy that have achieved mastery over > nature. > > Physicists are using a classification system with the following > > achievement value: > > > > Class 1- a civilization that has achieved mastery in using the > > available resources in its own planet. > > > > Class 2 - a civilization that has harnessed the power of the Sun, > > after exhausting the energy resources in its own planet. > > > > Class 3 - a civilization that has harnessed the power of the > galaxy, > > after exhausting its reliance on the Sun. > > > > Using this criteria, the professor believed that the Earth is Class > > Zero since the civilization of Earth is still relying on fossil > fuels > > for its enery resource. > > > > In science fiction speak, Class 2 civilizations would be equivalent > > to the Star Trek spacefarers. > > > > Class 3 civilizations would be equivalent to the Empire in Star > Wars.>> > > What is 'civilization'? > > Is it better to have a billion ignorant people go into outer space, > living in extra-terrestrial shopping malls, scratching around on the > barren rocks they discover, and to boldly go where no ignaramous has > gone before? > > Or is it better to have a few billion enlightened people living in > tune with nature on Earth, nurturing the heart and soul of the inner > spirit of life, and expanding the mind to its full self-sufficient > invincible capacity? I'd be happy with either scenario, but it looks like we're gonna have to make do with a few billion bozos stuck on earth scratching around on the barren rocks we're creating here.
[FairfieldLife] Jytotish is one man's rubbish, another's man's playground ( Re: Hillary the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > > wrote: > > > > Here's a true story; > > > > > > > > I know a girl who has suffered from chronic fatigue syndrome > > > > for twenty years, this is a serious auto-immune disorder and has > > > > stopped her ever having a job or doing what she wants, and she > > > > is very bright and motivated. When she went to see a jyotishee > > > > she obviously expected some sort of news about when (if) she > > > > would make a recovery. After an hour of generalities and glib > > > > personality analysis the jyotishee asked if she had any > questions. > > > > One, she said, when is my health going to improve? The chap > > > > checked his chart and said there was nothing wrong with her > > health. > > > > She got her money back. And I just felt more justified in my > > > > scepticism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your story proves nothing. > > > > At the very least it proves that this Maharishi trained jyotishee > > was a charlatan. > > > > > > > > The experts doing Jyotish must master it completely otherwise it > is > > > of limited practical value. They should be from a long line of > > > generations of professional Jyotishjis so that the many difficult > > > levels of intellect have been transcended by their forefathers. > > This > > > is Jyotish MahaPragya - to own the knowledge. Like a carpenter > whos > > > father and father before him passed on all those small details > that > > > makes the work easy, more effective. It becomes automatic, like > for > > > example when you entered the room of Triguna; he did not have to > > take > > > your pulse because he felt every detail in your bloodstream once > > you > > > entered the room. That is the result of generations of Vedic > > > tradition. > > > > > > I have many excellent artists in my family, but no photographers, > I > > > wish I had. Perhaps I will start my own tradition :-) > > > > > > To be chronically tired is something a good Jyotishji certainly > > > should have been able to see. > > > > > > The first wave of Jyotishjis that was going on Global Tours spent > > > months in Vlodrop being tested by Purusha. Whats that word, > > flunked ? > > > Probably 30% were simply returned to India. Nevertheless > Maharishi > > in > > > his boundless generosity, knowing their shortcomings in detail no > > > doubt long before they arrived, invited them to Holland and payed > > all > > > the expenses. Some cried in joy when the left for home having so > > > freely being given the Darshan, inspiration and upliftment of > their > > > lifetime. > > > > > > So presumably, the jyotishee my friend saw passed the test. > > Most probably not. > This is a problem for me because this guy was sent by MMY to offer expensive services, including chart readings, gem recomendations, yagyas and it was rubbish. He even told someone that tuesday is a bad day to be stung by bees! To a bunch of people who already believed he was probbaly great but to a sceptic who needs abit of convincing it was a dreadfulparlour act, Randi would have loved him. I was the only dissenting voice too, until my friend with the health problem got her maonmey back. And it was me who pointed out that he was saying broadly the same stuff to everyone. The whole thing was shameless. Mind you, that was the course I found out that saying grace before eating cancels out the negative effects of GM foods. Snake oil from start to finish.
[FairfieldLife] Jytotish is one man's rubbish, another's man's playground ( Re: Hillary the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bhairitu wrote: > > His astrology research was very lame, based > > on newspaper horoscopes. > > > Most astrologers don't generally consider > astrology to be particularly paranormal, so > they probably wouldn't be interesting in having > James Randi test any of their theories. That just goes to show they don't really get what they are claiming, if there is ANY way you can get an idea about human affairs from looking at planets, tea leaves, goat entrails etc then you are dealing with something beyond that which is currently understood - paranormal. As far as I know there is no correlation with anything astrological, if it turns out that jyotish is a better description of reality then fine, I need to update my view of the world. Empiricism, dear boy. > Question: > > Why is it that most people, when discussing > astrology, seem to always go to the extreme of > trying to introduce conspiracy theories in > their efforts to prove astrology? Conspiracy theories? explain. I haven't read the book but I'm familiar with Randi, I think it's perfectly reasonable to get people to demonstrate amazing powers, no one managed to convince him. But the guy has never claimed that there is no more waiting to be discovered, he tried to engage with people but there isn't enough evidence, or any come to think of it. Where me and Randi part company is his insitence that if he can fake something other people must be faking it too. I disagree, you could be missing a lot. > 'Flim-Flam!' > Psychics, ESP, Unicorns, and Other Delusions > by James Randi > Prometheus Books, 1982 > http://tinyurl.com/3ut3xf >
[FairfieldLife] Jytotish is one man's rubbish, another's man's playground ( Re: Hillary the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > Here's a true story; > > > > I know a girl who has suffered from chronic fatigue syndrome > > for twenty years, this is a serious auto-immune disorder and has > > stopped her ever having a job or doing what she wants, and she > > is very bright and motivated. When she went to see a jyotishee > > she obviously expected some sort of news about when (if) she > > would make a recovery. After an hour of generalities and glib > > personality analysis the jyotishee asked if she had any questions. > > One, she said, when is my health going to improve? The chap > > checked his chart and said there was nothing wrong with her health. > > She got her money back. And I just felt more justified in my > > scepticism. > > > > > Your story proves nothing. At the very least it proves that this Maharishi trained jyotishee was a charlatan. > > The experts doing Jyotish must master it completely otherwise it is > of limited practical value. They should be from a long line of > generations of professional Jyotishjis so that the many difficult > levels of intellect have been transcended by their forefathers. This > is Jyotish MahaPragya - to own the knowledge. Like a carpenter whos > father and father before him passed on all those small details that > makes the work easy, more effective. It becomes automatic, like for > example when you entered the room of Triguna; he did not have to take > your pulse because he felt every detail in your bloodstream once you > entered the room. That is the result of generations of Vedic > tradition. > > I have many excellent artists in my family, but no photographers, I > wish I had. Perhaps I will start my own tradition :-) > > To be chronically tired is something a good Jyotishji certainly > should have been able to see. > > The first wave of Jyotishjis that was going on Global Tours spent > months in Vlodrop being tested by Purusha. Whats that word, flunked ? > Probably 30% were simply returned to India. Nevertheless Maharishi in > his boundless generosity, knowing their shortcomings in detail no > doubt long before they arrived, invited them to Holland and payed all > the expenses. Some cried in joy when the left for home having so > freely being given the Darshan, inspiration and upliftment of their > lifetime. So presumably, the jyotishee my friend saw passed the test.
[FairfieldLife] Jytotish is one man's rubbish, another's man's playground ( Re: Hillary the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:27 PM, hugheshugo wrote: > > > It would convince me that something was going on, can you > > post who he is and if he ever visits England. > > > His name is Yogi Karve and he has a tour email list on Yahoo! at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Yogi_Karve > Cheers Vaj, it's probably me but the site appears to have no tour dates or anything really and the link to the universal society is a page of building society ads, have I done something wrong?
[FairfieldLife] Jytotish is one man's rubbish, another's man's playground ( Re: Hillary the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > > wrote: > > > > > > In various ares of life, people seem to imagine such big things. > > Then > > > knock something down because it does not meet their inflated > > > expectations. Spouse or guru on a pedestal perhaps. Or, for > example, > > > "They said I have high blood pressure and yet they couldn't even > > > predict what would happen to me on May 3rd and what my bank > account > > > balance would be." or, "That charlatan weatherman, he said there > was > > > 60% chance of rain, but didn't even predict that my cat would get > > > sick, and my kid would lose his softball game." These are odd > > > expectations that do not follow. And such crazy expectations are > > sure > > > to disappoint. > > > > > > IMV, Jyotish, if it does anything (which is not established that > it > > > does -- but there are interesting antecdotal evidence) says things > > > like, "The next few years will likely have some pot holes in the > > > roads." It doesn't say that you will hit one and break your axle. > Or > > > that you will run over one filled with water and splash the mayor > > when > > > he is walking his dog." These and a billion other things may be > more > > > likely during this period. > > > > > > But trying to present you with detailed "film into the future" > that > > > you can watch clip by clip, detail by detail, is not what jyotish > > > does. Though thats what people seem to expect. And when such a > > > detailed film is not presented, they get all bent out of shape > and > > say > > > "Jyotish is full of shit". In that case, something may be full of > > > shit, but I don't believe its jyotish. > > > > I think that's a bit disengenious, it isn't me inflating the > > claims of jyotish, I get them from here; > > > > "The Maharishi Vedic Astrology program -- Maharishi Jyotish > program -- > > is the science of transformation and technology of prediction. It > > reveals the relationship of individual life with cosmic life and > > enlivens their fundamental basis in consciousness. It is a > practical > > program which helps one to "avert the danger that has not yet come" > > and to take maximum advantage of the fortunate periods coming in > > one's life. > > > > According to this traditional knowledge, prediction of future > events > > is possible because the same orderly and sequential Laws of Nature > > which govern the evolution of the universe also govern the life of > > the individual. Knowing any one point in the sequence, such as the > > time and place of birth, an expert can mathematically calculate > > forwards and backwards in time. In this way the Maharishi Vedic > > Astrology program offers valuable predictive insights concerning > > tendencies in all areas of life -- health, partnerships, finances, > > education, career and family relationships" > > > > See that line = *an expert can mathematically calculate forwards > > and backwards in time*. > > > > This is what I'm asking, and I don't think it's being full > > of shit to want to put that to the test. To someone who has > > lived a full and varied life, such as myself, certain things > > should stand out and be obvious to any casual observer. > > > > I don't think it's asking too much of the "science of > > transformation and technology of prediction" to demonstrate > > it's effectiveness. > > > > Here's a true story; > > > > I know a girl who has suffered from chronic fatigue syndrome > > for twenty years, this is a serious auto-immune disorder and has > > stopped her ever having a job or doing what she wants, and she > > is very bright and motivated. When she went to see a jyotishee > > she obviously expected some sort of news about when (if) she > > would make a recovery. After an hour of generalities and glib > > personality analysis the jyotishee asked if she had any questions. > > One, she said, when is my health going to improve? The chap > > checked his chart and said there was nothing wrong with her health. > > She go
[FairfieldLife] Jytotish is one man's rubbish, another's man's playground ( Re: Hillary the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Astrology has been around for centuries so if it truly had no value it > would have disappeared long ago. As for the naysayers, most are talking > out of their butt because they've never done their homework. ;-) > > Westerners always look to specifics out of astrology but Indians want > more general answers to things like "will I get married", "will I have > children"or "will I get a job?" These are things that can be answered > by looking at the status of the planetary indicators for these things. > I've done charts for people where I could just about guess from the > chart what their main question was going to be and often that was "why > am I not married?" Well the 7th lord or other planets associated with > marriage were just trashed in the chart. I've even seen very saintly > Indian astrologers tell someone with that configuration to just have > "flings." :-) > > I can also about guess that the person who comes to me who says "why is > everything going bad for me right noew" has about a 80-90% of a Rahu > transit affliction going on in their horoscope. The great thing is you > can often tell people that things are going to get better because these > things only last for a while. Of course there are those who have such > dreadful charts that it may be years before anything gets better. For > those people remedial measures and things like meditation help them rise > about the influence of the planets. If find that people who have been > meditating a long time find the planetary events to be "like lines drawn > on water" happening around them but not directly to them in any strong > sense. So, could you do mine and post it here? I'm interested, really. I'll be honest if I think it's a match for how things are for me right now. If you have time it would be fun. > I did once do a reading where the person thought it wasn't very good > because I didn't pick up that she was pregnant which was something that > is not easy to pick up from a chart. OTOH, I did a casual palmistry > reading once for a friend's wife and mentioned that there appeared to be > some health issues coming up. In that case those health were her > getting pregnant a few months later. :-D > > > new.morning wrote: > > In various ares of life, people seem to imagine such big things. Then > > knock something down because it does not meet their inflated > > expectations. Spouse or guru on a pedestal perhaps. Or, for example, > > "They said I have high blood pressure and yet they couldn't even > > predict what would happen to me on May 3rd and what my bank account > > balance would be." or, "That charlatan weatherman, he said there was > > 60% chance of rain, but didn't even predict that my cat would get > > sick, and my kid would lose his softball game." These are odd > > expectations that do not follow. And such crazy expectations are sure > > to disappoint. > > > > IMV, Jyotish, if it does anything (which is not established that it > > does -- but there are interesting antecdotal evidence) says things > > like, "The next few years will likely have some pot holes in the > > roads." It doesn't say that you will hit one and break your axle. Or > > that you will run over one filled with water and splash the mayor when > > he is walking his dog." These and a billion other things may be more > > likely during this period. > > > > But trying to present you with detailed "film into the future" that > > you can watch clip by clip, detail by detail, is not what jyotish > > does. Though thats what people seem to expect. And when such a > > detailed film is not presented, they get all bent out of shape and say > > "Jyotish is full of shit". In that case, something may be full of > > shit, but I don't believe its jyotish. > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Jytotish is one man's rubbish, another's man's playground ( Re: Hillary the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 28, 2008, at 11:44 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > >>> The final woo woo aspect is the > >>> claim that humans could know about such a connection using ancient > >>> scriptures from a pre-scientific culture who believed in many > >>> forms of > >>> divination. > >> > >> Huh? Are you suggesting that ancient cultures bring absolutely > > nothing > to the table? No valid knowledge of ANYTHING? Whew. We have > > different > views there. > > > > I was putting my finger on the epistemological basis for the claims of > > Joitish. They come from ancient scriptures, not from any empirical > > basis. > > What you're missing here is that these scriptures come from direct > empirical insight from the sages who wrote them. And some of these > are (allegedly) insights into people who would visit a particular > Jyotishi ( I'm speaking of the Surya or Brighu samhita style > Jyotishis here). For example I know a woman who was recognized as a > reincarnation in the Shankaracharya order who presented herself to a > reader of this type using her ordained name (a Sanskrit name), and > after they figured out which palm leaf related to her life, the > Jyotishi read it off and the palm leaf actually contained her birth > name in English. The palms leaves were hundreds of years old. > > Also consider the following--I've had readings from a yogi who goes > into brief samadhis and was able to read off my entire chart and > birth time without ever having any details. He was also able to read > my life in shocking, really breathtaking detail. Any person can, and > I know of dozens who have, go visit this guy and he'll through his > direct empirical insight, tell you the moment of your birth to the > minute. He actually "sees" the moment of your birth like a hologram. > > Now take this one step further, if there is a sage today who can do > this, isn't it also possible sages in the past could have similarly > grokked the planetary machinery as mirror of karmic weather as a set > of rules and techniques? The difference of course is that these texts > rely on sophisticated rules and adherence to these rules to get some > benefit, whereas the Jyotishi-sage has direct insight. There would > clearly be more room for error in a Jyotishi who merely is attempting > to apply rules grokked by an ancient rishi. > > I would challenge anyone who's interested to meet this sage on his > next tour and see how you feel after that experience. How could you > explain that someone could just, from scratch, cognize the moment of > your birth and the precise position of planets in the sky? > It would convince me that something was going on, can you post who he is and if he ever visits England. > > I was challenging that people can know about such a mechanism > > and proposing that pre-scientific cultures tended to believe > > assertions from priestly classes without any verification required. > > > > There is plenty of stuff from pre-scientific cultures that has passed > > modern standards of proof. Joitish is not one of them. >
[FairfieldLife] Jytotish is one man's rubbish, another's man's playground ( Re: Hillary the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In various ares of life, people seem to imagine such big things. Then > knock something down because it does not meet their inflated > expectations. Spouse or guru on a pedestal perhaps. Or, for example, > "They said I have high blood pressure and yet they couldn't even > predict what would happen to me on May 3rd and what my bank account > balance would be." or, "That charlatan weatherman, he said there was > 60% chance of rain, but didn't even predict that my cat would get > sick, and my kid would lose his softball game." These are odd > expectations that do not follow. And such crazy expectations are sure > to disappoint. > > IMV, Jyotish, if it does anything (which is not established that it > does -- but there are interesting antecdotal evidence) says things > like, "The next few years will likely have some pot holes in the > roads." It doesn't say that you will hit one and break your axle. Or > that you will run over one filled with water and splash the mayor when > he is walking his dog." These and a billion other things may be more > likely during this period. > > But trying to present you with detailed "film into the future" that > you can watch clip by clip, detail by detail, is not what jyotish > does. Though thats what people seem to expect. And when such a > detailed film is not presented, they get all bent out of shape and say > "Jyotish is full of shit". In that case, something may be full of > shit, but I don't believe its jyotish. I think that's a bit disengenious, it isn't me inflating the claims of jyotish, I get them from here; "The Maharishi Vedic Astrology program -- Maharishi Jyotish program -- is the science of transformation and technology of prediction. It reveals the relationship of individual life with cosmic life and enlivens their fundamental basis in consciousness. It is a practical program which helps one to "avert the danger that has not yet come" and to take maximum advantage of the fortunate periods coming in one's life. According to this traditional knowledge, prediction of future events is possible because the same orderly and sequential Laws of Nature which govern the evolution of the universe also govern the life of the individual. Knowing any one point in the sequence, such as the time and place of birth, an expert can mathematically calculate forwards and backwards in time. In this way the Maharishi Vedic Astrology program offers valuable predictive insights concerning tendencies in all areas of life -- health, partnerships, finances, education, career and family relationships" See that line = *an expert can mathematically calculate forwards and backwards in time*. This is what I'm asking, and I don't think it's being full of shit to want to put that to the test. To someone who has lived a full and varied life, such as myself, certain things should stand out and be obvious to any casual observer. I don't think it's asking too much of the "science of transformation and technology of prediction" to demonstrate it's effectiveness. Here's a true story; I know a girl who has suffered from chronic fatigue syndrome for twenty years, this is a serious auto-immune disorder and has stopped her ever having a job or doing what she wants, and she is very bright and motivated. When she went to see a jyotishee she obviously expected some sort of news about when (if) she would make a recovery. After an hour of generalities and glib personality analysis the jyotishee asked if she had any questions. One, she said, when is my health going to improve? The chap checked his chart and said there was nothing wrong with her health. She got her money back. And I just felt more justified in my scepticism. I didn't get bent out of shape about it, I just take the attitude that I won't believe something until it has demonstrated it's worth. Looks like that day aint coming soon.
[FairfieldLife] Jytotish is one man's rubbish, another's man's playground ( Re: Hillary the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hugheshugo wrote: > > I need to be convinced that there is anything to it by way > > of a good reading that would reveal things I'd never told and > > make accurate predictions, even if only about trends. However > > this mechanism may function, until I can tell the signal from > > the noise I will doubt that my analysis is a strawman. > The best way to test Jyotish is to learn it. Use something easy like > the System's Approach which is easy to learn and pretty much based on > Parashara anyway. Unlike other approaches it is a distillation of the > rules that Parashara laid out which I believe were a compilation of the > way astrology was a practiced at the time in India. My only doubts are > that the planets except for the Moon and Sun have little effect on our > lives and that astrology is tracking natural cycles that the planets > provided handy markers for. I have never found someone who has given me > proper birthtime to be off as far as their profession and their success > at it nor problems relating to bad planetary cycles. It is also not an > exact science though we have a lot of jyotishis who think it is (down to > the minute). Think of it more like a "weather report." But it is less > abstract than the (not so) Amazing Randi would have you think. :) > So far, I wouldn't say it was science at all. But if you have some software and enough experience to be confident I'll send you my birth details and we can do an experiment. I'm not convinced anything has happened to me emotionally or career wise that I couldn't account for just by looking at myself and what's happened, influences from parents, school etc. So the idea that planets can act as markers would mean someone with my birth chart could have predicted all of it, otherwise things wouldn't match up; I'd be able to look back and see things that came out of nowhere. In short, it should be obvious that I've been dancing on the strings of unseen powers rather than subject to the cause and effect of a life lived among other people just making it up as they go along. I'm up for the experiment, sounds like fun. Whaddya think? I've always been a fan of Randi, he put his money where his mouth is, $1,000,000 to be precise, and never had anyone convince him there is anything supernatural going on. Could've been a money spinner for the TMO I always thought.
[FairfieldLife] Jytotish is one man's rubbish, another's man's playground ( Re: Hillary the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think of this as a favor on my part. I could have > > > > > > > responded giving you some made-up outcome of the > > > > > > > test for me. I used to have fun at TM parties by > > > > > > > telling people who asked "What sign are you?" the > > > > > > > *wrong* astrological sign. Then I'd just kick back > > > > > > > and watch them trip on how *perfect* that was for > > > > > > > me, and how I matched all the descriptions of a > > > > > > > to a T. > > > > > > > > > > > > Given that we all bounce around all 16 cells at times, and > > > > > > descriptor COULD describe your behavior "some times". > > > > > > > > > > > > If one is (sadly) stuck in the notion that these are tight > > > > > > little boxes -- then, your game could be amusing. Amusement > > > > > > based on false notions. Now that is funny. > > > > > > > > > > Not to mention, anybody who thinks wrong guesses in > > > > > the "What's-my-sun-sign?" game reveal anything at > > > > > all about the validity or lack of same of astrology > > > > > doesn't have any idea of what astrology actually > > > > > involves. (Same applies to *right* guesses, for that > > > > > matter.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's my game. I know what astrology involves, I learnt > > > > how to chart horoscopes many years ago. The whole process > > > > is rubbish from start to finish. > > > > > > The sensing part of me would say "sure". The intuitive part of me > > > says" yeah, thats true, but Jeez why do so many correct things pop > > out > > > of my chart when I look at it once a year." The latter may just be > > > tricky confirmation bias going on. But the correlations over the > > years > > > seem to have "disproved". All part of a more transparent, higher > > order > > > confirmation bias I am sure. :) > > > > > > Regardless of mapping person A to Chart X -- and chart X to destiny > > > X34w1 -- I find insight in just using the jyotish based > > > classifications and relationships as useful (fluid) descriptors. "Oh > > > that person looks s Saturn. Not like that Jupitarian over > > there". > > > "Or, that was a really mars thing to do". Or, "he is on a venus > > run". > > > Or rahu times anyone?" > > > > > > And when you say astrology, I assume you mean one particular type of > > > Western astrology. Or at best, one or two particular brands of > > > whatever school. Hardly a definitive case to be made against all > > > jyotish systems (jyotish being my focus). > > > > > > And in various jyotish schools, the lagna, or other key point can be > > > many things, in many places. Depending on the angle of analysis. > > Look > > > at the harmonic charts, as a small subset of examples. Which means > > you > > > are not REALLY ONLY a pisces ascedent with moon in 5th -- but at > > > times, in some periods, in some circumstances, for some parts of > > your > > > totality -- you are also A, B C D ... Z. > > > > > > Which illustrates that the totality is within in us. Just different > > > parts manifest at any time. To IDENTIFY with ONLY being pisces > > > ascedent with moon if 5th is so anally limited and closed minded, > > such > > > a eyes-shut view, one-dimensional, well, its breath stopping. I am &g
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary the INTJ
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The reason I asked is that on at least two occasions when I have had > an astrologer give me a reading, the astrologer was dead accurate > about my personality. Not just superficial stuff, but in-depth. > Chakrapani (a well-known astrologer in LA) told me things about myself > that I didn't think anyone else knew, because I disguised them. But > he could see it in the chart. I've found astrology to be not as > reliable for predictions of the future, although on at least one > occasion, it proved to be remarkably accurate. But that's never what > I've used astrology for. I've also had an astrologer give me a dead- on > description, including physical characteristics and personality, of a > woman whom I had not then met but became involved with within a few > months. It was so accurate it took my breath away. I also once > listened to a reading that an astrologer had given to my girlfriend at > the time in which the description of the spouse was clearly me, beyond > any doubt. I didn't marry her though; my experience is that any number > of people can show up on a chart as "spouse"; it just means you will > have an intimate connection with them, but you don't have to marry > them (thank God, or I would have had many wives). Too many could be a bad thing I think ;-) I'd like to have had experiences like that, the Jyotishee I saw said the girl I was with would be the one I stayed with but we split up not long after. Never mind, the guy said I was going to be rich too, that I agree with, hasn't quite come true yet though > I'm sure you're right about all the scientific arguments against > astrology. I know nothing about it. All I know is that the person is > in the chart. But as with all things, I am sure there are good and bad > astrologers. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > > > Have you ever had a top-quality astrologer give you a reading about > > > your own natal chart? > > > > Depends what you mean by "top-quality" if I could find one > > that didn't calculate as though the sun and planets went > > round the earth I'd be impressed enough to try. Or a > > jyotishee who knew that there were planets beyond saturn. > > Or just someone who knew that venus is the planet of love > > because of how it looks in the night sky, it actually rains > > fluorosulphuric acid there. Not a good place for the > > honeymoon. > > > > Any of that would be a start but to change the way > > horoscopes are drawn up would make whoever was doing it > > realise the solar system is too big and complex for any > > influences to survive the extra distance involved intact > > when the earth is the opposite side of the sun from when > > the chart was drawn up. What I'm trying to say here is the > > horoscope doesn't take into account the extra distance > > from the earth of planets caused by the fact the earth > > goes round the sun, it can't because it puts the earth > > in the middle! And then you have the variable distance > > from earth of all the planets during their orbits > > that any astrologer cannot take into account because of > > the way the maths work, it's rubbish. > > > > And that's even if gravity could have an influence > > distinguishable from that caused by a truck driving past > > outside your house, which it doesn't, and there isn't > > another force in nature that is infinite in extent. As far > > as anyone knows. > > > > So without any mechanism we need another explantion, but > > before that we need to know if there is a phenomenon worth > > investigating. I don't think there is but am happy to be > > proved wrong. > > > > I saw a Jyotishee once, it was fun but couldn't have been > > more vague. He said loads of nice things about me and gave > > me times that it would be good to do things. I was singularly > > unimpressed. > > > > If you know anyone who could give me a reading and > > set of predictions I'd be happy to give it a try, but > > I won't pay for the priviledge. Maybe you know someone > > who would like the chance to impress a sceptic. I'm actually > > pretty open minded and wouldn't lie if anything came true. > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > >
[FairfieldLife] Jytotish is one man's rubbish, another's man's playground ( Re: Hillary the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think of this as a favor on my part. I could have > > > > > responded giving you some made-up outcome of the > > > > > test for me. I used to have fun at TM parties by > > > > > telling people who asked "What sign are you?" the > > > > > *wrong* astrological sign. Then I'd just kick back > > > > > and watch them trip on how *perfect* that was for > > > > > me, and how I matched all the descriptions of a > > > > > to a T. > > > > > > > > Given that we all bounce around all 16 cells at times, and > > > > descriptor COULD describe your behavior "some times". > > > > > > > > If one is (sadly) stuck in the notion that these are tight > > > > little boxes -- then, your game could be amusing. Amusement > > > > based on false notions. Now that is funny. > > > > > > Not to mention, anybody who thinks wrong guesses in > > > the "What's-my-sun-sign?" game reveal anything at > > > all about the validity or lack of same of astrology > > > doesn't have any idea of what astrology actually > > > involves. (Same applies to *right* guesses, for that > > > matter.) > > > > > > > That's my game. I know what astrology involves, I learnt > > how to chart horoscopes many years ago. The whole process > > is rubbish from start to finish. > > The sensing part of me would say "sure". The intuitive part of me > says" yeah, thats true, but Jeez why do so many correct things pop out > of my chart when I look at it once a year." The latter may just be > tricky confirmation bias going on. But the correlations over the years > seem to have "disproved". All part of a more transparent, higher order > confirmation bias I am sure. :) > > Regardless of mapping person A to Chart X -- and chart X to destiny > X34w1 -- I find insight in just using the jyotish based > classifications and relationships as useful (fluid) descriptors. "Oh > that person looks s Saturn. Not like that Jupitarian over there". > "Or, that was a really mars thing to do". Or, "he is on a venus run". > Or rahu times anyone?" > > And when you say astrology, I assume you mean one particular type of > Western astrology. Or at best, one or two particular brands of > whatever school. Hardly a definitive case to be made against all > jyotish systems (jyotish being my focus). > > And in various jyotish schools, the lagna, or other key point can be > many things, in many places. Depending on the angle of analysis. Look > at the harmonic charts, as a small subset of examples. Which means you > are not REALLY ONLY a pisces ascedent with moon in 5th -- but at > times, in some periods, in some circumstances, for some parts of your > totality -- you are also A, B C D ... Z. > > Which illustrates that the totality is within in us. Just different > parts manifest at any time. To IDENTIFY with ONLY being pisces > ascedent with moon if 5th is so anally limited and closed minded, such > a eyes-shut view, one-dimensional, well, its breath stopping. I am > everything. Only at times, I was given the script for a pisces with > moon in 5th -- and I try to play along. In other parts of my life, I > am mars ascendant with and in other parts ... An last life I was > Here's an interesting thing someone said about my Jyotish chart. He assumed after knowing me for about six months that I had been educated to university standard, when he looked at my chart he said he was surprised as it said my education was a failure. And it was, I dropped out of school at sixteen with no qualifications at all (It's a long story). What to make of it? All I know is the maths used to draw up the chart are rubbish, if there is more to it I'd like to know. Do you draw up charts yourself New Morning? I'd be happy for you to have a go, as I say in my other rant to Feste, I'm open minded about it, I'm just unconvinced thus far.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary the INTJ
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Have you ever had a top-quality astrologer give you a reading about > your own natal chart? Depends what you mean by "top-quality" if I could find one that didn't calculate as though the sun and planets went round the earth I'd be impressed enough to try. Or a jyotishee who knew that there were planets beyond saturn. Or just someone who knew that venus is the planet of love because of how it looks in the night sky, it actually rains fluorosulphuric acid there. Not a good place for the honeymoon. Any of that would be a start but to change the way horoscopes are drawn up would make whoever was doing it realise the solar system is too big and complex for any influences to survive the extra distance involved intact when the earth is the opposite side of the sun from when the chart was drawn up. What I'm trying to say here is the horoscope doesn't take into account the extra distance from the earth of planets caused by the fact the earth goes round the sun, it can't because it puts the earth in the middle! And then you have the variable distance from earth of all the planets during their orbits that any astrologer cannot take into account because of the way the maths work, it's rubbish. And that's even if gravity could have an influence distinguishable from that caused by a truck driving past outside your house, which it doesn't, and there isn't another force in nature that is infinite in extent. As far as anyone knows. So without any mechanism we need another explantion, but before that we need to know if there is a phenomenon worth investigating. I don't think there is but am happy to be proved wrong. I saw a Jyotishee once, it was fun but couldn't have been more vague. He said loads of nice things about me and gave me times that it would be good to do things. I was singularly unimpressed. If you know anyone who could give me a reading and set of predictions I'd be happy to give it a try, but I won't pay for the priviledge. Maybe you know someone who would like the chance to impress a sceptic. I'm actually pretty open minded and wouldn't lie if anything came true. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > > > That's my game. I know what astrology involves, I learnt > > how to chart horoscopes many years ago. The whole process > > is rubbish from start to finish. The originators didn't > > know of course, they were just trying to make sense of things > > and bring some order to the world. I'm not slagging them off > > as they had a sense of wonder about the night sky. They just > > didn't have our understanding, little things like the sun > > doesn't go round the earth, the knowledge of which would > > make your horoscope look pretty different. And they did give > > the heavens some pretty cool names. > > > > People only claim sun-signs aren't a true indicator of > > anything when it doesn't work out. Astrologers see the sun > > as the biggest influence. It would be nice if there was > > any evidence for it but after this long it's firmly on my > > list of "Unproved and time to move on". > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE REAL RACE CARD and THE REAL GENDER CARD -- played by Edg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Robert, > > Thanks for posting the below. It's required reading for anyone who's > thinking of voting for Hill-Billary. You've inspired me to really churn > out a mess-o-words, but I'm pretty sure they're all going to be pleasing > thoughts to the idealist within every heart out there. Sorry Shemp and > War Monger and Judy, you guys are going to fucking hate the below. And, > although the below is going to seem like "Edg's looniest ever," I'll > defend the below POVs with total assurance that I'll prevail in any > debate with anyone here who'd gainsay it. Come one, come all -- I've > got my gloves off. > > Consider this article about Rwanda: http://tinyurl.com/pu7uq > > It shows Bill Clinton's "leadership" as POTUS during the Rwanda > genocide, and by association, it shows Hillary's "on the job training." > If they were still man and wife in 1994 and sharing a pillow, (doubtful) > Hillary's input on Rwanda didn't influence Bill, or, if in fact she DID > influence him, either way: Hillary failed enough such that she doesn't > have any claim to be anything but, well, a leader like Bill. Ucky, > right? > > Here's the real race card that BigMedia NEVER allows anyone to play: > that WHITES have proven themselves for over 200 years to be vicious > racists and predators throughout the world. With this history, if I > were Obama, I'd be saying, "Who would trust a white person in this job? > A white? You got to be kidding me. Give a bomb to a white, and you've > got the same situation that a white would say you have if you get a > watermelon near a black person, only in the case of the watermelon, a > goodly portion of blacks will not eat it, while it is well known that a > white will blow up anything as soon as possible." > > Oh, I'll go even further: how about: "A woman in this job? Are you > kidding me? Given the history of women -- and every woman who ever > lived has had sex as an almost infallible tool for controlling men - - > see the Lysistrata effect ( http://tinyurl.com/3aysdw )-- who would want > a woman as POTUS when not a single women has ever used her powers to > rein in her husband when he's starting a war? Consider most people's > present opinion of Laura Bush. She's completely failed to influence her > husband with any heart or integrity, right? Women have never gotten any > political power because they'd rather fight each other than form a > coalition, but men would be never heard of in the history books again if > women could control their mutual hate for each other and then, with > feminine unity, transform this male-destroyed world; THEN and only then > would a woman deserve to be a POTUS. > > Only a person of color can understand the downtrodden of the world, > because they will have experienced racism first hand. If you're a > typical white person, you just took offence at the last sentence, but > virtually every non-white person will agree with it. Barack may never > have poured white paint on himself, but it is absolutely certain that he > was subjected to barbaric racism all his life and knows the pain. Only > such an education can culture a heart that truly resonates with the > downtrodden. White folks can merely abstractly resonate, and when push > comes to shove, they vote for the money to go to white companies, white > profiteers, white anything. > > Trust a white? Fuck off. Give people of color a chance for, say, well > -- how about being fair? -- give them 200 years and let's see what they > come up with. Let them make a ton of mistakes while learning. Let them > shunt money to black folks like whites have done to white folksif > only to balance things. > > Hillary didn't stop Bill during Rwanda. What should she have done if > she had a heart instead of, say, a rotted out walnut hull? Why she > should have gone public and denounced her husband's apathy. Yeah, > that's what a person with any integrity would have done.chucked her > marriage, her First Lady status, and ruined her daughter's life, yep > that's what she should have done to save 800,000 people from being > hacked to death. > > What the hell, eh?Bill denounced her as his wife by getting blow > jobs from sycophants, so why didn't she come out and let the bastard > have it between the eyes and show her true leadership to the world when > it was the hardest for her to do? She would be a saint in my book had > she done so, and I'd be voting for her and more rabidly defending her > than Judy. Fuck, I'd have started a religion adoring her. > > Here's my fantasy: that Michelle Obama is, well, Mother Mary, and that > Barack Obama is in love with her so much that he's seen her asset: her > blue infinite heart that all women have but most never use with > integrity. If that's the case, Barack merely has to think of Michelle > ONCE whenever he's making a decisio
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary the INTJ
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > > Think of this as a favor on my part. I could have > > > responded giving you some made-up outcome of the > > > test for me. I used to have fun at TM parties by > > > telling people who asked "What sign are you?" the > > > *wrong* astrological sign. Then I'd just kick back > > > and watch them trip on how *perfect* that was for > > > me, and how I matched all the descriptions of a > > > to a T. > > > > Given that we all bounce around all 16 cells at times, and > > descriptor COULD describe your behavior "some times". > > > > If one is (sadly) stuck in the notion that these are tight > > little boxes -- then, your game could be amusing. Amusement > > based on false notions. Now that is funny. > > Not to mention, anybody who thinks wrong guesses in > the "What's-my-sun-sign?" game reveal anything at > all about the validity or lack of same of astrology > doesn't have any idea of what astrology actually > involves. (Same applies to *right* guesses, for that > matter.) > That's my game. I know what astrology involves, I learnt how to chart horoscopes many years ago. The whole process is rubbish from start to finish. The originators didn't know of course, they were just trying to make sense of things and bring some order to the world. I'm not slagging them off as they had a sense of wonder about the night sky. They just didn't have our understanding, little things like the sun doesn't go round the earth, the knowledge of which would make your horoscope look pretty different. And they did give the heavens some pretty cool names. People only claim sun-signs aren't a true indicator of anything when it doesn't work out. Astrologers see the sun as the biggest influence. It would be nice if there was any evidence for it but after this long it's firmly on my list of "Unproved and time to move on".
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do our Myers-Briggs profiles match up?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > Richard and Judy are Identities with each other. > > > > Me and Judy mirror-images, how about that! > > Er, no, we're "Identities"--'cause we're exactly > the same type, y'see. > According to the type relationships page Identities are "typological mirror-images". Though *obviously* not actually identical. But I wouldn't get too fixated on the similarities, it would be weird if we couldn't be told apart from each other, let alone from Mother Teresa, Mel Gibson, Martin Luther, and the guy from the little house on the prairie.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do our Myers-Briggs profiles match up?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Me and Judy mirror-images, how about that! > > > > > > > > But then our names together seem eerily familiar: > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P4MPXqglqM > > > > > > But you didn't get to see what me and Judy are like > > > in that one so here we are chatting weighty stuff with > > > Richard Dawkins: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3CDqIk5wvg > > > > This is actually a pretty neat clip. > > I thought Dawkins came across very well > > in this one. And the whole clip made me > > smile because "Richard and Judy" remind > > me so much of two friends of mine in > > Sauve. I'm a big fan of Dawkins, But I think he does best when he sticks to evolution and DNA. His recent series, which he was promoting here, was like shooting fish in a barrel. I actually started feeling sorry for his victims, but his intention was to start a debate about the treatment of knowledge in society. It's a shame there has never been a good show on TV about Darwinism by Dawkins* so everyone could see what they're missing, he is one of the great communicators. *Or anyone come to think of it. > > I went back and clicked NO for each of > the 72 (not 70) questions, clicked the > button, and was told: > > Service unavailable. Please try it a little > bit later. > > Trying later has so far produced the same > results. Do you think they caught me trying > to "Dawkins" their test? :-) > Your type is obviously now "Heretic". It was a clever thing to do though, I was so pleased by my "reading" that I forgot to get scientific about it. There were a few questions I had to think about because it's easy to answer how I like to think I am rather than the reality where we sometimes try and hide our shortcomings, or is that just me ;-) I'd like to do the whole thing though, just out of interest. I'm sure there must be a way of unravelling how people are likely to behave, and I can see why employers like to use these things, my CV is a tissue of lies at the best of times. Anything that a firm might use to keep me off the payroll they ought to welcome. I used to put on my CV that I was good at maths because it made me seem more rounded, and then a temping agency placed me in an accounts dept. Oops! We went £40,000 down in the first month. Some things can't be bluffed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do our Myers-Briggs profiles match up?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ispiritkin" > wrote: > > > > --- "hugheshugo" wrote: > > > I'd be interested if you, and everyone else, > > > took the test and we could see how it fits > > > how we think we all come across. > > > > Great idea! > > > > I found a further exploration on how the types relate to each other > > here at the bottom of the page: > > http://www.typelogic.com/intj.html > > Good find, interesting stuff. > > > With me as an INTJ and New Morning as an INTP, the table of type > > relationships classifies us as Complements. > > > > With Richard Hughes and Judy as INFJ, each of them is a Companion > with > > me and vice versa. Each of them is an advisor/advisee to New > Morning. > > Richard and Judy are Identities with each other. > > > > Me and Judy mirror-images, how about that! > > But then our names together seem eerily familiar: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P4MPXqglqM But you didn't get to see what me and Judy are like in that one so here we are chatting weighty stuff with Richard Dawkins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3CDqIk5wvg >
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do our Myers-Briggs profiles match up?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ispiritkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- "hugheshugo" wrote: > > I'd be interested if you, and everyone else, > > took the test and we could see how it fits > > how we think we all come across. > > Great idea! > > I found a further exploration on how the types relate to each other > here at the bottom of the page: > http://www.typelogic.com/intj.html Good find, interesting stuff. > With me as an INTJ and New Morning as an INTP, the table of type > relationships classifies us as Complements. > > With Richard Hughes and Judy as INFJ, each of them is a Companion with > me and vice versa. Each of them is an advisor/advisee to New Morning. > Richard and Judy are Identities with each other. Me and Judy mirror-images, how about that! But then our names together seem eerily familiar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P4MPXqglqM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary the INTJ
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > But just for fun, the "pretty little box" that > > > I tend to notice in both Hillary Clinton and > > > the person who seems to have lost the ability > > > to tell the difference between criticism of HC > > > and criticism of herself is that both are able > > > to spout on endlessly about the patterns and > > > trends that they see in *others*, and denounce > > > them. But both are pathologically incapable > > > of seeing their *own* patterns and trends, and > > > the ways in which they repeat them ad nauseum. > > > > Erm, I think you misread the F for a T, It's me and Judy who > > share the same score on the B-M test. > > No, I was aware that Judy claimed to be an > INFJ and that someone thinks that Hillary > is an INTJ. As the description of INFJs > stated, they are "cousins," the main dif- > ference as I see it that the INFJs tend to > react emotionally (often while portraying > themselves as rational thinkers), while > INTJ types tend to react the same ways, but > their behavior may actually *be* more based > on rational thought. :-) Oh I see, I made the assumption coz I haven't been following the Hillary stuff all that closely. > > I think there's something in this stuff though, but as I say > > I've changed a lot over the years and there are millions of > > other possible influences anyway. The intravert/extravert > > divide is a good one and maybe the hardest bit to change. > > > > I'd be interested if you, and everyone else, took the test > > and we could see how it fits how we think we all come across. > > I did take the test, but I'm not going to tell > you what it said, because it's more fun playing > outside a box than inside one. :-) > Think of this as a favor on my part. I could have > responded giving you some made-up outcome of the > test for me. I used to have fun at TM parties by > telling people who asked "What sign are you?" the > *wrong* astrological sign. Then I'd just kick back > and watch them trip on how *perfect* that was for > me, and how I matched all the descriptions of a > to a T. You should have done that with the M-B here, would have been just as good a test as the real result. You could have had some fun, bit late now, I'm on my guard ;-) > The most fascinating thing was that the next month > I'd be at a party with the *same* TMers, and the > *same* ones would ask my sign again. (They were > always to self-obsessed to remember.) And I'd tell > them a completely *different* set of sun, moon, > and rising sign, and they'd trip on *that* and > tell me how perfect a one of those I was, too. :-) > > They never caught on. I used to have fun with astrologers, if they asked what sign I was I'd say "guess" they never got it right but I did notice a few would say I was leo, the opposite in astrology terms to me, and incidentally a typical extravert sign. I found it an interesting way of finding out how people see me. Jyotishees assure me my life is going to be fabulous from now on as all my bad influences have passed, and obviously that's the truth, it's just shame I have nothing to blame my cock-ups on anymore.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary the INTJ
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > Following on from the Myers-Briggs discussion. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/5pdyaq > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > wrote: > > > > > > "Introverted intuitives, INFJs enjoy a greater clarity of > > > perception of inner, unconscious processes than all but > > > their INTJ cousins. Just as SP types commune with the object > > > and "live in the here and now" of the physical world, INFJs > > > readily grasp the hidden psychological stimuli behind the > > > more observable dynamics of behavior and affect. Their > > > amazing ability to deduce the inner workings of the mind, > > > will and emotions of others gives INFJs their reputation as > > > prophets and seers." > > Judy: > > That's mine as well. I don't see how they get all > > this from the questions they asked, though. > > An INFJ wouldn't. They're too busy convincing > themselves that they have this amazing ability > to deduce the inner workings of *other people's* > minds to ever realize that their own are an > open book. :-) > > > It's rather uncommon for women to have this personality > > type - only 2 - 3% of females are INTJ. > > And, one might add, thank God. :-) > > > NTJs are perfectionists which means they maintain high > > standards for themselves and others. > > And whether those "others" ever asked them to > *take on* this crusade for "high standards" or > become the self-appointed "hall monitor" for > imposing such standards is not a question that > ever enters their minds. They merely assume > that the world *should* be the way they see > it, and set about trying to remake the world > to make it "fit" their illusions of how it > "should" be. > > > INTJs actually make natural leaders... > > Whether or not anyone ever asked them to lead > or gave them the right to do so. :-) > > > When they do take on leadership positions, however, they > > often provide a new sense of purpose, vision or mission > > for an organization. > > But rarely ever for themselves. Somehow they > are "above" the need to hold themselves to > the standards they wish to impose on others. > "Yes, I voted for war, but now I want to > pretend that I didn't, so I didn't *really* > vote for war. Those who say so are liars." :-) > > Basically, I suspect that all of these person- > ality types are just ways to put pretty little > boxes around things by people who think *in* > pretty little boxes and like to convince them- > selves and others that they've got everything > figured out. :-) > > But just for fun, the "pretty little box" that > I tend to notice in both Hillary Clinton and > the person who seems to have lost the ability > to tell the difference between criticism of HC > and criticism of herself is that both are able > to spout on endlessly about the patterns and > trends that they see in *others*, and denounce > them. But both are pathologically incapable > of seeing their *own* patterns and trends, and > the ways in which they repeat them ad nauseum. Erm, I think you misread the F for a T, It's me and Judy who share the same score on the B-M test. I'm not sure what that says about us and the accuracy of the test. I posted that snippet above because it sounded like a compliment to me, I've no idea how accurate it is compared to others, taken on it's own it's a bit like astrology in the respect that we can always interpret nice things into our way of seeing ourselves. I think there's something in this stuff though, but as I say I've changed a lot over the years and there are millions of other possible influences anyway. The intravert/extravert divide is a good one and maybe the hardest bit to change. I'd be interested if you, and everyone else, took the test and we could see how it fits how we think we all come across.
[FairfieldLife] Hillary the INTJ
Following on from the Myers-Briggs discussion. http://tinyurl.com/5pdyaq
[FairfieldLife] Male and Female Attributes -- a Delusion? (Re: Hillary sucks )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting this N.M. much fun. Here's me: > > > > > > > > "Introverted intuitives, INFJs enjoy a greater clarity of > > perception of > > > > inner, unconscious processes than all but their INTJ cousins. > > Just as > > > > SP types commune with the object and "live in the here and now" > > of the > > > > physical world, INFJs readily grasp the hidden psychological > > stimuli > > > > behind the more observable dynamics of behavior and affect. Their > > > > amazing ability to deduce the inner workings of the mind, will > > and > > > > emotions of others gives INFJs their reputation as prophets and > > seers." > > > > > > > > Amongst other talents of course. > > > > > > And amongst other inclinations. One of the things I like about > > > Briggs-Meyers is that it does not pin us into a box, but says this > > is > > > your comfort space. But we can and do all venture into all 16 spaces > > > at times. > > > > > > > I'll read on in that case. It's interesting, I just intuitively > > feel comfortable with these descriptions. Spiritkin (I think it was) > > posted a different sort of type-test here a few weeks ago and that > > had me feeling not so good about the descriptions, a bit bland I > > thought, but when I read the ones it said I definitely *wasn't* I saw > > how I like to see myself. Perhaps the Briggs-Myers is more sussed. > > > > I have read Briggs-Meyer descriptions that are all positive -- in each > 16 types. They can all sound appealing. > > I find each attribute can have a negative and positive side. Like > Introverts.who tend to think first, then speak/act. As opposed to the > "silly" Extroverts who speak/act without mind engaged, and then think. ha. > > But introverts I find, tend to think deeper and more thoroughly about > tings -- but are slower to absorb information. Extroverts can drink > from a fire hose -- and make some good quick snap judgements -- or > witty reparte. While the introvert is maybe 5 seconds behind -- but a > more clever remark occurs to him/her -- seconds after the conversation > has shifted. > > Some research showed Introverts to be wired differently. Thinner > longer, more connected circuits. Slower, but deeper. Extroverts with > fat but short pipes. Quicker but shallower. > > If in an accident and sent to the ER, would like to have extrovert > triage doctors at the door, and introverted doctors doing my surgery. > > Extroverts are more fun to hang with for the first half hour. Yuk it > up, fast paced convos. But Introverts are much more interesting to me, > if one is spending more than an hour with them. > I think I've varied quite a lot over the years on the extravert/intravert front, I wonder how that would work if it's hard wired. Perhaps by me not changing as much as I think I do. The background emotional "noise" in life makes a difference, plus the residue of nurture would skew results at different times depending on how we are dealing with things in the present. When times are good I'd be more outgoing but in stressful times not so much. How I would have scored years ago? Never know now, ah well. On a similar track, I did a lot of experimenting with ayurveda when I first got to hear of it. I'd spend two months on a vatta reducing diet and then another two on Pitta and then Kapha. Quite surprising how much of a difference it made to how I felt, much clearer head when I'm not kaphad up. And a nervous wreck and prone to bad decision making with too much vatta. Would be interesting to do the Meyers-Briggs after each of those experiments, I should get in touch with Orme-Johnson see if I can get funding. Makes me wonder also if the TMO ever looked at how TM affects the M-B. Or any other meditation group. I'm sure Vaj or Lawson could let us know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Stimulator endorses Hillary Clinton
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here it is Angela... > Hillary's a LIAR? > > http://submedia.tv/stimulator/2008/04/05/endorsing-hillary-clinton/ >
[FairfieldLife] Re: questions about Hill and WMD
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > All this is well and good, but it is conjecture, as > you said, since you preface your remarks with "I > assume." I would like to see the video again to see > what exactly the guy said. He was an official U.S. > weapons inspector, and he said he personally briefed > her, telling her there were no such weapons in Iraq. > I'd like to see what, if anything, he said about the > time line involved. > > So, anyone, do you remember the link or who posted it? It was Vaj posted it, the film was called "It's the end of the world as we know it (and I feel fine)" The title of the post eludes me... Hillary a liar?... perhaps. > --- "new.morning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I assume most in Congress got briefings that said > > there were no or few > > weapons and other briefings that said the opposite. > > Just because > > someone was told something, doesn't mean that they > > were presented a > > compelling case, stronger than the alternative. > > > > Or some ignore the compelling case and make a > > politically expediant > > choice. > > > > Others I am sure had compelling presentations to > > them, but their "gut" > > feel, native intelligence and confirmation biases > > didn't let them be > > "swayed". > > > > Juries are told, in definitive tones, that the guy > > did it, and did not > > do it. But they must vote one way. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela > > Mailander > > wrote: > > > > > > I'm about 75 messages behind cause I'm packing and > > > busy with lots of stuff, and I forgot who sent the > > > link of a video of some guy saying that he'd > > > personally briefed Hillary about the fact that > > there > > > were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I > > lost > > > the link and would like to know if that briefing > > took > > > place before or after she voted for the war in > > Iraq. > > > Could whoever sent that link please send it again? > > > > > It's a crucial question--since I haven't been able > > to > > > keep up, did anyone else ask it or answer it? > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >
[FairfieldLife] Male and Female Attributes -- a Delusion? (Re: Hillary sucks )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp > > > > Thanks for posting this N.M. much fun. Here's me: > > > > "Introverted intuitives, INFJs enjoy a greater clarity of perception of > > inner, unconscious processes than all but their INTJ cousins. Just as > > SP types commune with the object and "live in the here and now" of the > > physical world, INFJs readily grasp the hidden psychological stimuli > > behind the more observable dynamics of behavior and affect. Their > > amazing ability to deduce the inner workings of the mind, will and > > emotions of others gives INFJs their reputation as prophets and seers." > > > > Amongst other talents of course. > > And amongst other inclinations. One of the things I like about > Briggs-Meyers is that it does not pin us into a box, but says this is > your comfort space. But we can and do all venture into all 16 spaces > at times. > I'll read on in that case. It's interesting, I just intuitively feel comfortable with these descriptions. Spiritkin (I think it was) posted a different sort of type-test here a few weeks ago and that had me feeling not so good about the descriptions, a bit bland I thought, but when I read the ones it said I definitely *wasn't* I saw how I like to see myself. Perhaps the Briggs-Myers is more sussed.
[FairfieldLife] Male and Female Attributes -- a Delusion? (Re: Hillary sucks )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp Thanks for posting this N.M. much fun. Here's me: "Introverted intuitives, INFJs enjoy a greater clarity of perception of inner, unconscious processes than all but their INTJ cousins. Just as SP types commune with the object and "live in the here and now" of the physical world, INFJs readily grasp the hidden psychological stimuli behind the more observable dynamics of behavior and affect. Their amazing ability to deduce the inner workings of the mind, will and emotions of others gives INFJs their reputation as prophets and seers." Amongst other talents of course.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > But Hillary and Bill you let off the hook for > > > the same sin? > > > > Judy wrote: > > Hillary and Bill did not sit with Chelsea in > > the pews of Wright's church for 20 years listening > > to his sermons and getting spiritual counseling > > from him. They sent him an invite to the annual > > White House prayer breakfast (where *he* listened > > to Bill). > > > "The problem is that they express a virulently > anti-American ideology. People don't condemn the > U.S., even occasionally, in the kind of terms Wright > used unless they hate their country." > > Read more: > > 'Obama lowers the bar again' > Posted by Paul Mirengoff: > Powerline, March 28, 2008 > http://tinyurl.com/24jwlh >
[FairfieldLife] Re: DNA Activation & Repair via New Sound Frequencies
Hi Donald I think this must be one of yours: http://69.89.31.222/~thesoun6/soundimages/DNAREPAIR.mp3 It needs a back-beat dude.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Aurora Borealis in Siberia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Some beautiful photos of emerald aurora borealis taken in Siberia and > found at a Russian language website. Worth a look. > > http://evendym.livejournal.com/46993.html > Definitely worth a look, something I've always wanted to see for real. Did you know the friction caused by it actually helps slow the earth down? Not by much, but measurably and they will have to keep adding extra seconds to the clocks to make up for it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The wrong biofuels?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the relationship of biosfuels to FFL? > > > > > > What spam is this? I kind of expect this kind unrelated stuff that > > > could be read on CNN or FOX from Richard or Willytex. What up? > > > How's it relate to FF or, FFL? Where do you live? > > > > > > > > > "Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and > > > finders) of truth and liberation everywhere. Fairfield, Iowa is > > home > > > to Maharishi University of Management, founded by Maharishi Mahesh > > > Yogi in 1971. There are about 2000 Transcendental Meditation > > > practitioners here, as well as many others pursuing various > > spiritual > > > paths. > > > > > > "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find > > out, > > > which is the exact opposite." ~ Bertrand Russell > > > > > > We often discuss the trials and tribulations of the TM Movement, " > > > > > > > Topics of interest to seekers? Well I find biofuels interesting. > > And I doubt any stuff about the election would find it's way > > here if we're going to be TM strict about it. > > > > As for the other stuff I post, I guess it depends where you > > think truth may lie. And there's the problem, If science has > > shown us anything it's that truth is a bit of a moving target, > > what you expect to be true often turns out to be nothing of > > the sort. The TMO makes great claims to be interested in science, > > but are they really? I don't remember any experiments into yagyas > > in the collected papers. They like it when it suits them, and I'm > > only too happy to point that out. > > > > To be honest Bertrand Russel didn't have meditation in mind > > when he made the remark above, quite the opposite actually, > > it's a call to remove the blinkers religion puts on us. > > The TMO is a religion so lets take an objective look at it > > and see what stands up. > > > > Which is why I post the stuff I do, it's good to challenge > > beliefs, if something can't withstand a bit of probing why > > call it Truth. Personally, I think the TM experience is good > > but the explantion is 5000 years out of date, or is it? To me, > > that's what seeking the truth is all about. If you're happy > > accepting the TM dogma and never asking questions, fine, we're all > > different. > > > > Interestingly, the term spiritual comes from the latin *spiritus > > animus* or That Which Animates Us. So I consider myself > > spiritual because I want to know if the mind is just a machine > > that evolved (the most likely option so far) and if it's functioning > > can be improved using meditation or anything else that comes along. > > If it turns out to be something else, I'm just as happy. > > > > "Take what you need and leave the rest" > > > > I enjoy reading your stuff and thanks for writing this post. > Your insights are interesting and well presented. While I don't always > agree with your POV, your posts strike some form of > resonance with me. This certainly applies to a number of other > people who post on this forum. The diversity, different > POVs, and eclectic topics are often quite out of the realm > of what I would find in day to day discussions in my world. > Curtis's humor and Turq's RoadTrip stories are examples > of posts that often cause me to stop and be mindful for a > moment of things and a POV that I would not have discovered > had I not taken a bit of my day to read FFL. Britain is a long way > from Iowa, as is Spain and the DC area. Isn't it interesting how on some > intellectual level, the resonance still occurs even accounting > for widely diverse topics? Heat does seem to occur at times. > Inevitable when strong opinions are held. The discourse seems to > right itself without much intervention. The posting limit perhaps > adds to this. > Thanks for the vote of confidence Satvadude, I'll keep tapping away then. Or at least until Rick gets fed up with dinosaurs and telepathic dogs! I agree with all you say about FFL, it's a mighty fine site indeed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The wrong biofuels?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > what is the relationship of biosfuels to FFL? > > > > What spam is this? I kind of expect this kind unrelated stuff that > > could be read on CNN or FOX from Richard or Willytex. What up? > > How's it relate to FF or, FFL? Where do you live? > > > > > > "Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and > > finders) of truth and liberation everywhere. Fairfield, Iowa is > home > > to Maharishi University of Management, founded by Maharishi Mahesh > > Yogi in 1971. There are about 2000 Transcendental Meditation > > practitioners here, as well as many others pursuing various > spiritual > > paths. > > > > "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find > out, > > which is the exact opposite." ~ Bertrand Russell > > > > We often discuss the trials and tribulations of the TM Movement, " > > > > Topics of interest to seekers? Well I find biofuels interesting. > And I doubt any stuff about the election would find it's way > here if we're going to be TM strict about it. > > As for the other stuff I post, I guess it depends where you > think truth may lie. And there's the problem, If science has > shown us anything it's that truth is a bit of a moving target, > what you expect to be true often turns out to be nothing of > the sort. The TMO makes great claims to be interested in science, > but are they really? I don't remember any experiments into yagyas > in the collected papers. They like it when it suits them, and I'm > only too happy to point that out. > > To be honest Bertrand Russel didn't have meditation in mind > when he made the remark above, quite the opposite actually, > it's a call to remove the blinkers religion puts on us. > The TMO is a religion so lets take an objective look at it > and see what stands up. > > Which is why I post the stuff I do, it's good to challenge > beliefs, if something can't withstand a bit of probing why > call it Truth. Personally, I think the TM experience is good > but the explantion is 5000 years out of date, or is it? To me, > that's what seeking the truth is all about. If you're happy > accepting the TM dogma and never asking questions, fine, we're all > different. > > Interestingly, the term spiritual comes from the latin *spiritus > animus* or That Which Animates Us. So I consider myself > spiritual because I want to know if the mind is just a machine > that evolved (the most likely option so far) and if it's functioning > can be improved using meditation or anything else that comes along. > If it turns out to be something else, I'm just as happy. > > "Take what you need and leave the rest" > Of course, you may not have been refering to me, in which case: Oops.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The wrong biofuels?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > >wrote: > > > what is the relationship of biosfuels to FFL? > > What spam is this? I kind of expect this kind unrelated stuff that > could be read on CNN or FOX from Richard or Willytex. What up? > How's it relate to FF or, FFL? Where do you live? > > > "Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and > finders) of truth and liberation everywhere. Fairfield, Iowa is home > to Maharishi University of Management, founded by Maharishi Mahesh > Yogi in 1971. There are about 2000 Transcendental Meditation > practitioners here, as well as many others pursuing various spiritual > paths. > > "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, > which is the exact opposite." ~ Bertrand Russell > > We often discuss the trials and tribulations of the TM Movement, " > Topics of interest to seekers? Well I find biofuels interesting. And I doubt any stuff about the election would find it's way here if we're going to be TM strict about it. As for the other stuff I post, I guess it depends where you think truth may lie. And there's the problem, If science has shown us anything it's that truth is a bit of a moving target, what you expect to be true often turns out to be nothing of the sort. The TMO makes great claims to be interested in science, but are they really? I don't remember any experiments into yagyas in the collected papers. They like it when it suits them, and I'm only too happy to point that out. To be honest Bertrand Russel didn't have meditation in mind when he made the remark above, quite the opposite actually, it's a call to remove the blinkers religion puts on us. The TMO is a religion so lets take an objective look at it and see what stands up. Which is why I post the stuff I do, it's good to challenge beliefs, if something can't withstand a bit of probing why call it Truth. Personally, I think the TM experience is good but the explantion is 5000 years out of date, or is it? To me, that's what seeking the truth is all about. If you're happy accepting the TM dogma and never asking questions, fine, we're all different. Interestingly, the term spiritual comes from the latin *spiritus animus* or That Which Animates Us. So I consider myself spiritual because I want to know if the mind is just a machine that evolved (the most likely option so far) and if it's functioning can be improved using meditation or anything else that comes along. If it turns out to be something else, I'm just as happy. "Take what you need and leave the rest"
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary promises to murder millions if elected
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was also struck by Hillary Clinton's comment yesterday. Iran has a > population of nearly 66 million, and Hillary Clinton would be quite > prepared to kill every man, woman and child in that country. > "Obliterate" means: "to erase or blot out, leaving no traces; to > destroy all trace of." (She didn't need to say "totally"; she just > added that for extra effect.) This appalling woman is even scarier > than McCain. > But will she obliterate Israel if they attack Iran, which is an awful lot more likely. Israel has already broken the nuclear non-proliferation agreement and has proved it's an aggressive and expansionist country. Clinton (and most every other politician) is, therefore, also an appalling hypocrite.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Am I the last to "realize" this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > > > > > > > Is Yogic Flying, by chance, based on Archimedes' principle?? > > > > > > > Only if you do it in the bath ;-) > > > > According to Finnish wikipedia entry, that principle can > be applied to gases as well. Perhaps that's wrong, though... :) > No, it's correct. I just thought yogic flying in the bath was pretty funny, maybe it's me. Or how about group prog in a jacuzzi, I'd sure go on more WPAs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Am I the last to "realize" this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is Yogic Flying, by chance, based on Archimedes' principle?? > Only if you do it in the bath ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Telepathic dogs?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > > > > > Here's a curio, every dog does this but I like to think > > they are making a lucky guess based on past experience. > > But then my mothers dog will often wait for me when > > I'm coming for a visit, but she only starts her vigil when > > I leave London on the second leg of the journey. UF for dogs? > > > > http://www.dogsthatknow.com/blog/?p=9 > > Thanks for posting this! I have wanted to set up this experiment for > my Bengal cat. He greets me at the door 99% of the time. Girlfriends > staying at the house while I am gone have told me that he jumps up and > starts waiting about 10 minutes before my car pulls in. I am dying to > know if it can be explained by his super kittie hearing or if he has > something more woo woo going on. This inspires me to set up a time > stamp webcam myself. Great stuff! > I did wonder if anyone else would be interested in this, our dogs have always been really good at it. My mothers seems to know when a decision has been made to come home, I know where they've gone so I know how long it should take to get back, I don't think the dog knows where they are, her vocabulary seems limited to "walkies" "dinner" etc. I didn't know cats had "The Power" too. You should do a webcam and send it in, might help unravel the mystery. As for what causes it, biologist Rupert Sheldrake has hypothesised morphic resonance; "It is not at all necessary for us to assume that the physical characteristics of organisms are contained inside the genes, which may in fact be analogous to transistors tuned in to the proper frequencies for translating invisible information into visible form. Thus, morphogenetic fields are located invisibly in and around organisms, and may account for such hitherto unexplainable phenomena as the regeneration of severed limbs by worms and salamanders, phantom limbs, the holographic properties of memory, telepathy, and the increasing ease with which new skills are learned as greater quantities of a population acquire them." He's a really original thinker, fascinating ideas. His website explains it all more; http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html
[FairfieldLife] Brain farts!
Yet more astonishing brain science. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24245365/
[FairfieldLife] Telepathic dogs?
Here's a curio, every dog does this but I like to think they are making a lucky guess based on past experience. But then my mothers dog will often wait for me when I'm coming for a visit, but she only starts her vigil when I leave London on the second leg of the journey. UF for dogs? http://www.dogsthatknow.com/blog/?p=9
[FairfieldLife] Re: TURKEY: DISCOVERY OF 12,000-YEAR-OLD TEMPLE COMPLEX COULD ALTER THEORY OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT]
Anatolia in Turkey is as good a site for the Garden of Eden as I've ever been. It's worth looking at some pictures of this amazing site. Here's an article that appeared in the Fortean Times last year; http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/449/gobekli_tepe_paradise_ regained.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jumping Spiders and sexuality -- the way forward
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ispiritkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ispiritkin" > > > wrote: > > > > I thought about it for a while and decided it > > > > relates to my unbounded and unending fascination > > > > with mind science. I'm totally enamored with > > > > learning about how beings interact with each other, > > > > and, being self-absorbed, how it all relates to *me*! > > > > :-) > > > "Go to the ant, thou sluggard, consider her ways > > and be wise" - > > King Solomon, Book of Proverbs. Chapter Six. > > Excellent! > > > For me it's the undiscovered worlds in my backyard, all > > these highly complex and organised creatures living their > > amazing lives without the human race being relevant to them > > in any way. I get a deep satisfaction and sense of perspective > > from knowing that even when we humans wipe ourselves out or > > evolve into something else these little universes will still > > be carrying on without even caring or noticing that we > > ever existed, or even whether Clinton or Obama got elected. > > I take great satisfaction in the ruggedness of natural systems. > Individual species may disappear, as they have been doing throughout > natural history, but macrosystems keep on burbling and frisking > along. When Iowa becomes a tropical/undersea paradise AGAIN due to > global warming, the plants and animals will be harmonizing in their > warm and buzzy ways. We might be there to join in or not -- that is > ultimately up to us as a group of humans. > > You might not like this, Richard, but I just wiped out most of a > colony of sugar ants that had invaded my living room from their nest > down in the crawlspace. I put out a little dish of borax laced with > sweets, and they took it. As housemates, sugar ants just do not > cooperate as well as spiders. Aargh! murderer! Only kidding, it will probably count as natural selection in the long run. Maybe we'll evolve a type of ant that avoids living rooms. Or, even better, maybe you could train your spider to catch the ants!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jumping Spiders and sexuality -- the way forward
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > For me it's the undiscovered worlds in my backyard, all > > these highly complex and organised creatures living their > > amazing lives without the human race being relevant to them > > in any way. I get a deep satisfaction and sense of perspective > > from knowing that even when we humans wipe ourselves out or > > evolve into something else these little universes will still > > be carrying on without even caring or noticing that we > > ever existed, or even whether Clinton or Obama got elected. > > Let's hope. We're already losing bees, bats, frogs, and > Pacific salmon, among many other critters who may end > up being wiped out by global warming. There's no way to > be sure the destruction won't eventually encompass even > the smallest ones if whoever is elected doesn't take > radical action against the human contribution to climate > change. You're quite right there, but I think it's too late. Cosmically speaking it doesn't matter, the earth has had worse than we could ever dish out, something new will evolve after all. Personally speaking I think it's an unbelievable crime to destroy so much wonder for the sake of cars, cigarettes and hamburgers etc I don't think there is a political solution though, no politician would dare getting tough enough on polluters, imagine the shock society would go through if a new government put limits on air travel, which is exactly the sort of thing needed. The Mayor of London is probably going to lose his job for getting tough on people driving 4X4s in London, people aren't ready to give up the good life yet. And that attitude will inevitably end up in a major thinning of the herd, and then the ants can have the place to themselves.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jumping Spiders and sexuality -- the way forward
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ispiritkin" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" wrote: > > > In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ispiritkin" wrote: > > > > > > > > Don't know why this fascinates me, but it does. > > > > > I've always been fascinated too, I think it's the seemingly > > > alien lives they lead. > > > > I thought about it for a while and decided it relates to my unbounded > > and unending fascination with mind science. I'm totally enamored > with > > learning about how beings interact with each other, and, being self- > > absorbed, how it all relates to *me*! :-) > > > > "Go to the ant, thou sluggard, consider her ways and be wise" - > King Solomon, Book of Proverbs. Chapter Six. > For me it's the undiscovered worlds in my backyard, all these highly complex and organised creatures living their amazing lives without the human race being relevant to them in any way. I get a deep satisfaction and sense of perspective from knowing that even when we humans wipe ourselves out or evolve into something else these little universes will still be carrying on without even caring or noticing that we ever existed, or even whether Clinton or Obama got elected.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jumping Spiders and sexuality -- the way forward
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ispiritkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" wrote: > > In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ispiritkin" wrote: > > > > > > Don't know why this fascinates me, but it does. > > > I've always been fascinated too, I think it's the seemingly > > alien lives they lead. > > I thought about it for a while and decided it relates to my unbounded > and unending fascination with mind science. I'm totally enamored with > learning about how beings interact with each other, and, being self- > absorbed, how it all relates to *me*! :-) > "Go to the ant, thou sluggard, consider her ways and be wise" - King Solomon, Book of Proverbs. Chapter Six.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jumping Spiders and sexuality -- the way forward
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ispiritkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't know why this fascinates me, but it does. Found a source that > says captivity increases hunger and anomalous behavior, and also that > decapitation stimulates copulation. (That sounds so cold and > clinical -- how about "he starts banging away after his head is > whacked off.") > http://www.jstor.org/pss/1310334 > > The Snopes version for a quick read: > http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/mantis1.asp > I've always been fascinated too, I think it's the seemingly alien lives they lead. And some of the really complex behaviour from ants appears actually intelligent. My favourite is the slave-making ants that can't feed themsleves or rear their own young. So they raid the nests of other ant species and kidnap the larvae and bring them up to serve them. And it's all done using pheromones, some that fool the guards of the others nests into attacking each other and some for tricking the foreign larvae into thinking their in their own nest. Pretty amazing behaviour, and it all happens on few square feet of rainforest somewhere.s Interesting point about captivity, it used to be thought that orang utan males killed their offspring if they came too close but it turned out that they only do that if the kids don't run away far enough, which they can't in a cage. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" wrote: > > > I always understood the mating rituals of insects to be a way > > for the male to approach a mate and switch off her auto- > > attack instinct, as soon as the deed is done she switches back > > to kill-anything mode. But it doesn't matter for the male > > if he gets caught because he dies not long after mating > > the first time anyway. > > > > Not much in it for the guys in the arachnid world, but they > > seem to be doing OK. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jumping Spiders and sexuality -- the way forward
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ispiritkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, the spiders (and some men) still rely on sleight of hand. But > what the spiders need to learn is that when the female's appetite for > food is satisfied, she is less likely to chew him up. Y'know, > according to entomologists, the female praying mantis eats her mate > because he's the nearest high protein meal and she's HUNGRY after a > mating session. I saw that on this video after watching the spider > dance: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYp_Xi4AtAQ&NR=1 > So spiders and mantises need to at least start bringing along those > little white cartons of take-out before banging away. > > This is a documentary vid, not an amusing vid, unless you think > females chewing up males is funny. I always understood the mating rituals of insects to be a way for the male to approach a mate and switch off her auto- attack instinct, as soon as the deed is done she switches back to kill-anything mode. But it doesn't matter for the male if he gets caught because he dies not long after mating the first time anyway. Not much in it for the guys in the arachnid world, but they seem to be doing OK. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > > > Just like a magician -- it's all about misdirection > > of attention. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ispiritkin" wrote: > > > > > > It also sheds light on a mating behavior of humans -- > > > the way men take women out for dinner BEFORE other > > > mating activities, especially in the early stages > > > of getting acquainted before the woman is lulled > > > by hormonal attachment. When spiders get that one > > > figured out, their evolution will leap forward. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: As re the Hoi-Polloi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > A lot of that site seems to be pointing out the selective > > quoting Judy does to make her "points". I've seen her do > > it so many times on here I've lost count. > > I'm sure you'd be able to find one or two examples, > then, and post them for us to look at, right? > If I wanted to spend a day searching throught the archives yes, but I don't. But I will let you know when you do it in future.
[FairfieldLife] It's Dilbert, but not as we know it.
I think this is one of those "If it aint broke don't try and fix it" things. http://www.dilbert.com/animation/
[FairfieldLife] Re: http://tinyurl.com/4es8y9
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Couldn't open Rick's link. > Breeding tarantulas? It's something my daughter might > consider, but I'm afraid I'm not into it much. Maybe > Judy would consider it. She could send them to Turq. Or Edg or Sal or... > > --- hugheshugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela > > Mailander > > wrote: > > > > > > Earrings out of tarantula fangs? Friggin' > > awesome. I > > > design artsy craftsy jewelry out of weird found > > stuff > > > that I sell at art galleries. The local dude here > > in > > > town that does art shows, Bill Teeple, told me > > he'd do > > > a show of my stuff if I got about twenty thirty > > pieces > > > together. I never used tarantula fangs though, > > but > > > it's the kind of thing I would definitely do. Do > > you > > > have a picture of these amazing earrings? > > > > > > > I'm afraid I don't have any photos, it was a long > > time ago. > > I braided a pair together and hung them from a > > silver ring > > which was attached to a short chain and stud into > > the ear. > > They did look good, though it helped that she was a > > total > > punk rocker as I don't suppose it would suit all > > tastes. > > > > They would sell really I think. Trouble is getting > > hold of > > the fangs. They only shed their skins about every > > six months, > > if I remember correctly, so you would need a few to > > make it > > a viable business. Breeding taratulas could be a new > > hobby for you! > > > > The jewellery in Ricks link is cool, and seems good > > value to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- hugheshugo wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela > > > > Mailander > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I don't know about affectionate, but I do know > > > > that > > > > > tarantulas and other big, furry spiders like > > to be > > > > > petted. > > > > > > > > > > When I was sixteen, I had some questions about > > > > snakes > > > > > that I wanted answers to real bad, so I got on > > the > > > > bus > > > > > and rode to the West side of town to volunteer > > my > > > > > services to the curator of reptiles at the > > > > Cleveland > > > > > zoo. Turns out he was curator of arachnids as > > > > well, > > > > > and so I got to know all kinds of spiders up > > close > > > > and > > > > > personal. If you pet some big spiders, they > > do > > > > > rhythmic little knee bends, like four little > > > > > ballerinas in fuzzy leg warmers doing > > demi-plies > > > > in > > > > > second position. I swear they'd purr if they > > knew > > > > > how. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was trouble I had with my tarantulas, I > > never > > > > handled > > > > them so they got really vicious if I ever put my > > > > hand in > > > > their tanks. Boy, have those things got fangs or > > > > what! > > > > When they shed their skins the fangs came off > > too, I > > > > made > > > > some into earrings for a girlfriend once, they > > > > looked > > > > awesome. > > > > > > > > I had a boa constrictor as well, he was > > friendly, > > > > loved > > > > a cuddle ;-) But seriously, he used to chase my > > > > mothers poodle > > > > about all the time, really hard grabbing hold of > > a > > > > snake you know. > > > > I called him Salvador, he died young which is > > lucky > > > > as he > > > > would be about fifteen foot long now and eating > > > > sheep every week. > > > > > > > > Luckily I grew out of herpetology before I found > > out > > > > they > > > > sold anacondas in the pet shop in the next town, > > > > they'll reach > > > > thirty foot! > > > > > > > > > > > > > &
[FairfieldLife] Re: http://tinyurl.com/4es8y9
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Angela Mailander > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 3:52 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: http://tinyurl.com/4es8y9 > > > > Earrings out of tarantula fangs? Friggin' awesome. I > design artsy craftsy jewelry out of weird found stuff > that I sell at art galleries. The local dude here in > town that does art shows, Bill Teeple, told me he'd do > a show of my stuff if I got about twenty thirty pieces > together. I never used tarantula fangs though, but > it's the kind of thing I would definitely do. Do you > have a picture of these amazing earrings? > > http://www.beadabead.com/tarantulafangsjewelry.html > I knew it would catch on. And once you've removed the fangs you can use the moults to scare the hell out of people, nothing wasted.
[FairfieldLife] Re: http://tinyurl.com/4es8y9
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Earrings out of tarantula fangs? Friggin' awesome. I > design artsy craftsy jewelry out of weird found stuff > that I sell at art galleries. The local dude here in > town that does art shows, Bill Teeple, told me he'd do > a show of my stuff if I got about twenty thirty pieces > together. I never used tarantula fangs though, but > it's the kind of thing I would definitely do. Do you > have a picture of these amazing earrings? > I'm afraid I don't have any photos, it was a long time ago. I braided a pair together and hung them from a silver ring which was attached to a short chain and stud into the ear. They did look good, though it helped that she was a total punk rocker as I don't suppose it would suit all tastes. They would sell really I think. Trouble is getting hold of the fangs. They only shed their skins about every six months, if I remember correctly, so you would need a few to make it a viable business. Breeding taratulas could be a new hobby for you! The jewellery in Ricks link is cool, and seems good value to me. > --- hugheshugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela > > Mailander > > wrote: > > > > > > I don't know about affectionate, but I do know > > that > > > tarantulas and other big, furry spiders like to be > > > petted. > > > > > > When I was sixteen, I had some questions about > > snakes > > > that I wanted answers to real bad, so I got on the > > bus > > > and rode to the West side of town to volunteer my > > > services to the curator of reptiles at the > > Cleveland > > > zoo. Turns out he was curator of arachnids as > > well, > > > and so I got to know all kinds of spiders up close > > and > > > personal. If you pet some big spiders, they do > > > rhythmic little knee bends, like four little > > > ballerinas in fuzzy leg warmers doing demi-plies > > in > > > second position. I swear they'd purr if they knew > > > how. > > > > > > > That was trouble I had with my tarantulas, I never > > handled > > them so they got really vicious if I ever put my > > hand in > > their tanks. Boy, have those things got fangs or > > what! > > When they shed their skins the fangs came off too, I > > made > > some into earrings for a girlfriend once, they > > looked > > awesome. > > > > I had a boa constrictor as well, he was friendly, > > loved > > a cuddle ;-) But seriously, he used to chase my > > mothers poodle > > about all the time, really hard grabbing hold of a > > snake you know. > > I called him Salvador, he died young which is lucky > > as he > > would be about fifteen foot long now and eating > > sheep every week. > > > > Luckily I grew out of herpetology before I found out > > they > > sold anacondas in the pet shop in the next town, > > they'll reach > > thirty foot! > > > > > > > > > > > --- hugheshugo wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > > > "curtisdeltablues" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Later, I saw one on > > > > > > a flower stem, and the thing actually played > > > > > > peek-a-boo with me the way a child does, > > hiding > > > > and > > > > > > then coming out to take a shy look and then > > > > hiding > > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > Like a child who is afraid that a monstrously > > huge > > > > creature will eat > > > > > him! The cute peek-a-boo of terror mixed with > > the > > > > pugnaciousnesses > > > > of > > > > > a predator. Probably going back and forth > > > > between, "i think I can > > > > > take this creature and eat it" to "holy shit > > is > > > > that thing big! > > > > > Feet's don't fail me now. Seriously, all of > > eight > > > > of them!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is some interesting info on their sight: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~ednieuw/Spiders/InfoNed/sensoryleg.html > > > > > > > > > > The eyes of spide
[FairfieldLife] Re: http://tinyurl.com/4es8y9
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know about affectionate, but I do know that > tarantulas and other big, furry spiders like to be > petted. > > When I was sixteen, I had some questions about snakes > that I wanted answers to real bad, so I got on the bus > and rode to the West side of town to volunteer my > services to the curator of reptiles at the Cleveland > zoo. Turns out he was curator of arachnids as well, > and so I got to know all kinds of spiders up close and > personal. If you pet some big spiders, they do > rhythmic little knee bends, like four little > ballerinas in fuzzy leg warmers doing demi-plies in > second position. I swear they'd purr if they knew > how. > That was trouble I had with my tarantulas, I never handled them so they got really vicious if I ever put my hand in their tanks. Boy, have those things got fangs or what! When they shed their skins the fangs came off too, I made some into earrings for a girlfriend once, they looked awesome. I had a boa constrictor as well, he was friendly, loved a cuddle ;-) But seriously, he used to chase my mothers poodle about all the time, really hard grabbing hold of a snake you know. I called him Salvador, he died young which is lucky as he would be about fifteen foot long now and eating sheep every week. Luckily I grew out of herpetology before I found out they sold anacondas in the pet shop in the next town, they'll reach thirty foot! > --- hugheshugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > Later, I saw one on > > > > a flower stem, and the thing actually played > > > > peek-a-boo with me the way a child does, hiding > > and > > > > then coming out to take a shy look and then > > hiding > > > > again. > > > > > > Like a child who is afraid that a monstrously huge > > creature will eat > > > him! The cute peek-a-boo of terror mixed with the > > pugnaciousnesses > > of > > > a predator. Probably going back and forth > > between, "i think I can > > > take this creature and eat it" to "holy shit is > > that thing big! > > > Feet's don't fail me now. Seriously, all of eight > > of them!) > > > > > > > > > Here is some interesting info on their sight: > > > > > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~ednieuw/Spiders/InfoNed/sensoryleg.html > > > > > > The eyes of spider differ greatly between > > families. Spiders who hunt > > > without a web like wolf spiders (Lycosidae), lynx > > spiders > > (Oxyopidae) > > > and jumping spiders (Salticidae) have a > > well-developed eyesight. > > > Jumping spiders can see nearly as well as humans. > > Experiments have > > > shown that they are even capable of seeing colors. > > Cave spiders, > > which > > > live in the dark, have no or hardly any eyesight. > > They depend > > > completely on sound and feeling. > > > The structure of the eye is in basic similar to > > our eye; behind a > > > single cuticular lens lays a cellular vitreous > > body and the visual > > > cells. Together with pigment cell this forms the > > retina. > > > > > > > The pet tarantulas I had as a boy were nocturnal and > > virtually > > blind, though they could see shadows all round. In > > the > > wild they would dig their first burrow and never go > > more than > > a foot away from it. In my house they were in a fish > > tank > > so they didn't have much choice in that. > > > > Fascinating creatures, they almost seemed to think > > about things. > > Against the guide books advice I put gravel in their > > tanks > > instead of earth because I thought it looked better > > (I know it's > > not good but I was young) obviously you can't dig a > > good burrow > > in gravel as the sides fall in. So it just stood > > there for a > > few days and then spun a bit of web over a patch of > > gravel > > picked it up and spun a bit of web on the gravel > > under it, and > > gradually built a web lined tunnel to live in. I was > > amazed, it > > really looked like it thought about it but it was > > probably a > > memory that took a while to access. > > > > But then it often escaped, once I was asleep and I > > heard this > > knocking noise coming from its tank. It had spun web > > over > > both the tank glass and the lid and had 4 legs on > > each, the > > knocking noise was it lifting the lid! Don't > > underestimate the > > strength of these guys. So it was obviously a bit > > smart. They > > look cool the way they sit still for days on end, > > munching the > > odd cricket. And they could go without food and > > water for a > > year, the perfect pet. Not quite as affectionate as > > my dog though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cricket and sexuality is the way forward
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In today's Washington Post: > > http://tinyurl.com/53oqfn > Tea on the village green will never be the same again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: http://tinyurl.com/4es8y9
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Later, I saw one on > > a flower stem, and the thing actually played > > peek-a-boo with me the way a child does, hiding and > > then coming out to take a shy look and then hiding > > again. > > Like a child who is afraid that a monstrously huge creature will eat > him! The cute peek-a-boo of terror mixed with the pugnaciousnesses of > a predator. Probably going back and forth between, "i think I can > take this creature and eat it" to "holy shit is that thing big! > Feet's don't fail me now. Seriously, all of eight of them!) > > > Here is some interesting info on their sight: > http://www.xs4all.nl/~ednieuw/Spiders/InfoNed/sensoryleg.html > > The eyes of spider differ greatly between families. Spiders who hunt > without a web like wolf spiders (Lycosidae), lynx spiders (Oxyopidae) > and jumping spiders (Salticidae) have a well-developed eyesight. > Jumping spiders can see nearly as well as humans. Experiments have > shown that they are even capable of seeing colors. Cave spiders, which > live in the dark, have no or hardly any eyesight. They depend > completely on sound and feeling. > The structure of the eye is in basic similar to our eye; behind a > single cuticular lens lays a cellular vitreous body and the visual > cells. Together with pigment cell this forms the retina. > The pet tarantulas I had as a boy were nocturnal and virtually blind, though they could see shadows all round. In the wild they would dig their first burrow and never go more than a foot away from it. In my house they were in a fish tank so they didn't have much choice in that. Fascinating creatures, they almost seemed to think about things. Against the guide books advice I put gravel in their tanks instead of earth because I thought it looked better (I know it's not good but I was young) obviously you can't dig a good burrow in gravel as the sides fall in. So it just stood there for a few days and then spun a bit of web over a patch of gravel picked it up and spun a bit of web on the gravel under it, and gradually built a web lined tunnel to live in. I was amazed, it really looked like it thought about it but it was probably a memory that took a while to access. But then it often escaped, once I was asleep and I heard this knocking noise coming from its tank. It had spun web over both the tank glass and the lid and had 4 legs on each, the knocking noise was it lifting the lid! Don't underestimate the strength of these guys. So it was obviously a bit smart. They look cool the way they sit still for days on end, munching the odd cricket. And they could go without food and water for a year, the perfect pet. Not quite as affectionate as my dog though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Feels the Shake from an Earthquake
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ispiritkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Cross-correlating to the other thread on the economic effects of the > Invincible America program ~~ > I thought up a theory to explain why the numbers aren't producing what > would seem to be their expected results: the bliss waves are getting > soaked up by the earth's crust so they don't travel as far or affect as > many people. Perhaps they are releasing stress in the North American > plate. A mild earthquake like this one is considered beneficial > because it releases stresses before they build up to cause greater > damage in a bigger release. > > Way to go, siddhas! > ;-D Admit it, you write their press releases don't you? > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" wrote: > > > > Just think of all the property damage and loss of life > > that would have occurred had there been no pandits in Vedic City! >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where Have All the Flower Children Gone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" > wrote: > > > > > > > > Actually, traditionally, it does have a meaning > > > > > > as is witnessed by the numerous bija dictionaries > > > > > > which define their meanings in some detail. > > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > > Vaj wrote: > > > > Give me your mantra, I'll tell you it's meaning and > > > > quote the text it came from. > > > > > > > > For example: > > > > > > > > ...another level of the TM mantra "Shreeng" > > > > > You idiot! There's no "Shreeng" TM mantra. > > Perhaps he means "Shiring" which is my mantra. > Apologies to any TM folk who are upset by me glibly posting my, secret and never to be spoken aloud, mantra here but I'm interested in where it came from. I saw this spelling of it in a list in a book called "Levitation; what it is and how to do it." It explained how many TM mantras there are and how they choose the one you get (I'll keep the secret in case you don't know.) That was the one I got and as it's phonetically similar I assumed it was the same as the "Shreeng" mantra. What do you think Vaj, can you shed any light on it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where Have All the Flower Children Gone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Actually, traditionally, it does have a meaning > > > > > as is witnessed by the numerous bija dictionaries > > > > > which define their meanings in some detail. > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > Vaj wrote: > > > Give me your mantra, I'll tell you it's meaning and > > > quote the text it came from. > > > > > > For example: > > > > > > ...another level of the TM mantra "Shreeng" > > You idiot! There's no "Shreeng" TM mantra. Perhaps he means "Shiring" which is my mantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gadgetry's Golden Rule?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > "For the record: Pricey, so-called high-end > > > cables and wiringspeaker, HDMI, DVI, Firewire, > > > RCA, USB, you name itno matter what, are an > > > out-and-out scam." > > > > Richard Hughes wrote: > > Not so, my cables cancel out high frequency radio > > waves, > > > Most humans can't even hear high frequency radio > waves, Richard. True, but you hear their absence with a more natural and much clearer sound. > > they sounded way clearer from the first chord. > > > Depends on the source, I guess. I only listen to > the mellow music sounds of vinyl analog. Digital > CDs suck, in my opinion. I don't watch TV or many > movies either - they suck as well. Shame to miss out on movies because of the messenger, unless you think the movies are crap too. I know CDs are a poor second to vinyl but I fell for the hype and never heard a good turntable til I started going to hi-fi shows. Buying one now would mean replacing all my albums. But the best sound I ever heard was from a CD player made by Mark Levinson. Awesome and much better than mere reality, leaves everything else, including vinyl, for dead. Shame it costs more than my house, and my old Black Sabbath albums may sound a tad harsh through it, but it's quite an achievement. > > Silver conducts better than copper and a teflon > > coating helps your treble stay natural. Tried and > > tested. Come round and I'll do you a blind test. > > > Next time I'm in East Anglia, I'll give you a call. > > > I've also got a mains purifier to cut out the > > spikes and backwash from fridges and computers. > > > Sounds like you're on the right track. > > > I live in hi-fi heaven. > > > "One of the things that distinguishes a dedicated > audiophile from Joe Q. Public is that he has some > notion of what audio fidelity is all about." > > Read more: > > 'The Absolute Sound of What?' > By J. Gordon Holt > http://www.stereophile.com/asweseeit/363/ > > > Check out the site, this is the stuff > > > > http://www.russandrews.com/ > > > Thanks for the link - I'll check it out. They do a theree month, no questions asked, guarantee on cables. So you can buy and try for a bit, then put your old bell-wire back on and decide to keep the RA stuff. They don't get many returns.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where Have All the Flower Children Gone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where Have All the Flower Children Gone? Well, I'm still here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Trouble With Normal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" > wrote: > > > > Hey, you little hypocrite, what happened to your strident > > statement to this group about a month ago that you would > > soundly ignore me from then on? Or have you tired of > > "ignoring" Judy, or "ignoring" Edg? > > Actually, I did tire of it. Now I reserve > the right to make the occasional post that > invites all of you to reply, making my > points for me. It's more fun this way. > > > sloppy minds make poor bedfellows my friend! > > If you find that the experience of a sloppy > mind is diminishing your pleasure in bed, > have you ever considered the possibility > that you're just using the wrong orifice? > > Ears look like this: > > http://tinyurl.com/28kbn5 > > Pussies look like this: > > http://tinyurl.com/3befa7 > It was with trepidation I clicked on the pussie link, but I just had to see what you'd found, I 'm glad humour and taste prevailed ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gadgetry's Golden Rule?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "For the record: Pricey, so-called high-end > cables and wiringspeaker, HDMI, DVI, Firewire, > RCA, USB, you name itno matter what, are an > out-and-out scam." Not so, my cables cancel out high frequency radio waves, they sounded way clearer from the first chord. Silver conducts better than copper and a teflon coating helps your treble stay natural. Tried and tested. Come round and I'll do you a blind test. I've also got a mains purifier to cut out the spikes and backwash from fridges and computers. I live in hi-fi heaven. Check out the site, this is the stuff http://www.russandrews.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes you less "in-lightened" then other meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" wrote: > [...] > > It's not me making these claims, I'm just passing them on. > > "Your" was meant rhetorically. I guess I should have said "their," instead. > > Part of > > the Invincible America "success" has been no hurricanes, but last > > year was the worst tornado season for ages, check it out; > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February-March_2007_Tornado_Outbreak > > > > So how does it work? you draw an arrow around the lack of hurricanes > > and ignore the devastation caused by tornados. The thing is it's > > the blind forces of nature firing these arrows and someone > > with a point to make drawing the targets. > > > > Absolutely. I pay no attention to such claims. I have a vague hope that the ME > works, but if I was truly convinced I'd be hopping on my ass in Fairfield like > the rest of them. I hope that the ME *does* work and that they can generate the > effect by paying people to do it since it seems obvious they can't inspire or cajole > people to do it. > > Time will tell. > > Lawson > But they are doing it aren't they? Lets not forget the thousands of pundits in India. I'm not a cynic but it isn't looking good. I hope they keep doing experiments though, there's no harm in it and a mass of data is the only way the signal will be heard if it's there, it would be amazing if it could be proved. I might even take part if the pay is good ;-)
