[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation with Mr. Chivukula

[lurkernomore20002000]

Turq:

And now Ravi's interview has quietly
> been "disappeared" from the list, so as not to somehow
> cast questions upon the other interviews, and on the
> whole concept of "ordinary enlightenment."


  Rick:

I removed it. I think each interview stands on it's own, but if I were
one
> of the people interviewed, I might feel uncomfortable about being
associated
> with someone who was acting as Ravi has been. In light of Ravi's
behavior, I
> didn't think it appropriate to post his interview, both for the
BatGap's
> reputation and for Ravi's well-being. I don't think it's healthy for
him to
> get any more attention or to have anything reinforce his notion that
he is a
> guru.

I didn't listen to the interview, so I have no idea of the content. 
But, removing it for the reasons stated sounds a little "coddling", if
that's the right word.  Coddling to Ravi, and coddling to those who
visit the site.  So, what is the "reputation" of Batgap. And I say that
respectfully, because you have spent a lot of time and energy, and
probably money (although I am aware of your wife's requirement about
that).  But how is the interview going to tarnish the reputation. 
Thanks.

[FairfieldLife] Re: tree

[lurkernomore20002000]

Thanky you.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Lurk, you might try a search for Daniel Matt. Here's a
> few links:
> 
> Excerpts from his book "The Essential Kabbalah":
> http://www.spiritsite.com/writing/danmat/
> 
> Interviews:
> http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/576_daniel_c__matt.htm
> http://www.tabletmag.com/arts-and-culture/books/765/living-in-a-material-world/
> 
> About the translation, with excerpts and Q&A:
> http://www.sup.org/zohar/index.cgi
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you.  I have a sister in Israel, who lives an orthodox life style, 
> > and writes books about mystical Judaism.  Most of her writing is so 
> > complicated, that it is difficult for me to follow what she is saying.  But 
> > I would like to get a taste of some of this from a different angle.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: tree

[lurkernomore20002000]

Thank you.  I have a sister in Israel, who lives an orthodox life style, and 
writes books about mystical Judaism.  Most of her writing is so complicated, 
that it is difficult for me to follow what she is saying.  But I would like to 
get a taste of some of this from a different angle.

Thanks for the reply.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> I'm no scholar about this.  Wiki is a good start.  My best (and almost sole) 
> reference is an incredible work in progress by Daniel Matt -- the brother of 
> David Matt, my long time TM friend -- The Zohar 1: Pritzker Edition.  
> 
> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Zohar-1/Daniel-Matt/e/9780804747479/?pwb=1&;
> 
> Daniel Matt's preliminary book, The Essential Kabbalah, is great for cutting 
> your teeth on Kabbalah.
> 
> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Essential-Kabbalah/Daniel-C-Matt/e/9780062511638
> 
> I've had lunch with Daniel and got to "grill him good" about Advaita and 
> spirituality in general, and I came away deeply impressed with his wide angle 
> views.  He is quite comfortable with Advaita's concepts.  
> 
> Daniel and David were fathered by a famous Rabbi on the east coast, and I'm 
> too lazy to look up his name, but he was a great teacher in his own right -- 
> I've read a number of his essays and found him very morally sobering.
> 
> All in all, not a second of one's time is wasted by Daniel.
> 
> Edg
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Any paricularly useful links you can provide to this?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> > >
> > > If you read about the Sefirot, you'll be impressed by the delicacy and
> > nuance -- the chart is meant to define God's, um, "personality," and I
> > find nothing in these concepts that has the least friction with, say,
> > Advaita. This thing is as deep as a religion can make a thing. Just to
> > read about it brings up exceedingly precise questions. And once you have
> > the question, you're 90% of the way to the answer.
> > >
> > > Edg
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   You meant to convey to us the infinity of the Brahman or
> > something more material
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sun, 5/23/10, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] tree
> > > > Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 6:25 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: tree

[lurkernomore20002000]

Any paricularly useful links you can provide to this?

Thanks


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> If you read about the Sefirot, you'll be impressed by the delicacy and
nuance -- the chart is meant to define God's, um, "personality," and I
find nothing in these concepts that has the least friction with, say,
Advaita. This thing is as deep as a religion can make a thing. Just to
read about it brings up exceedingly precise questions. And once you have
the question, you're 90% of the way to the answer.
>
> Edg
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >   You meant to convey to us the infinity of the Brahman or
something more material
> >
> > --- On Sun, 5/23/10, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] tree
> > Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 6:25 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori

[lurkernomore20002000]

Perhaps they worry one could be practicing another technique, and result in 
destructive interference.  I don't want to say this too loudly lest David OJ 
use this as a reason the ME effect has not alwasy worked as advertised.  If he 
were to determine that some participants were practicing a diffferent 
"program", then he could assign a mathematical value to that, and "voila", you 
suddenly have a "means deriritive impacting the statistical model plus or minus 
the standard deriviation formula".

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail  wrote:
>
> With silence in the domes, why would anyone be banned for what happens 
> outside the domes, if their meditation is what is important? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: TurquoiseB 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 23 May, 2010 5:27:02 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Behalf Of ditzyklanmail
> > > > 
> > > > Pardon my asking, but how can someone get kicked out of the 
> > > > domes and not be in good standing?
> > > 
> > > In my case it was for being involved with Amma. Not sure what 
> > > Buck's crime was.
> > 
> > Do you really believe that your mudslinging and rumourmonging 
> > towards Maharishi has nothing to do with it ?
> 
> And would "mudslinging" and one's willingness to pass
> along *public knowledge of Maharishi's past* be Bad
> Things, sufficient to require "banning from the domes?"
> 
> Just curious...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation with Mr. Chivukula

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:


> There is a case to be made here for an Indian guy, tired
> of the responsibilities of wife and children, trying to
> find an "acceptable" way of dumping them. In his culture,
> one of those ways is to declare yourself enlightened. If
> you do, you now get judged by an entirely different set
> of standards than anyone else. You get to not only dump
> your wife and kids without being considered an irrespon-
> sible asshole for doing so, you get *praised* for doing
> so, because you're now following your "inner voice" and
> dedicating yourself to gurudom and "spreading the light."


Yes, I think this is it.  The long, short and middle of it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation with Mr. Chivukula - Minor, Important Adjustment

[lurkernomore20002000]

Well, you can imagine that it was pretty lopsided conversation with one party 
doing most of the talking, and the other party doing most of the listeneing.  
My main advice to him was that if he calls himself a "simple brahman", to live 
the life of a "simple brahman".

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69"  wrote:
>
> you didnt think it best to advise him to seek the help of a mental health 
> professional?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I had a conversation with Ravi this evening. I wish him the best in
> > his endeavours. His awakening is such that it seems he is embarking on a
> > new career, that of Raviguru. This is nothing other than what he has
> > been saying of course, but I wanted to hear it straight from him. I
> > remained skeptical that he was really leaving behind family and work
> > life. But this seems to be the case.
> > >
> > > Pretty much, the answer to any question distlled down to, this is the
> > divine working through Ravi. So, what else is there to say.
> > >
> > > Ex: "Ravi, it sounds like you are going to live the life of wandering
> > mendicant"
> > >
> > > Answer: "Yes, the divine will work through Ravi, and let him know what
> > plan the divine has" Or something to this effect.
> > >
> > > Bottom Line: I believe Ravi believes that his awakening will bestow
> > upon him the credibiliy to assume the role of a guru to many seekers.
> > And I think he feels that because he has great saturation with American
> > culture, with all it's nuances that he is uniquely fashioned for this
> > role.
> > >
> > > This is my report.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation with Mr. Chivukula - Minor, Important Adjustment

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
 wrote:
>
> I had a conversation with Ravi this evening. I wish him the best in
his endeavours. His awakening is such that it seems he is embarking on a
new career, that of Raviguru. This is nothing other than what he has
been saying of course, but I wanted to hear it straight from him. I
remained skeptical that he was really leaving behind family and work
life. But this seems to be the case.
>
> Pretty much, the answer to any question distlled down to, this is the
divine working through Ravi. So, what else is there to say.
>
> Ex: "Ravi, it sounds like you are going to live the life of wandering
mendicant"
>
> Answer: "Yes, the divine will work through Ravi, and let him know what
plan the divine has" Or something to this effect.
>
> Bottom Line: I believe Ravi believes that his awakening will bestow
upon him the credibiliy to assume the role of a guru to many seekers.
And I think he feels that because he has great saturation with American
culture, with all it's nuances that he is uniquely fashioned for this
role.
>
> This is my report.
>

[FairfieldLife] Conversation with Mr. Chivukula

[lurkernomore20002000]

I had a conversation with Ravi this evening.  I wish him the best in his 
endeavours.  His awakening is such that it seems he is embarking on a new 
career, that of Raviguru.  This is nothing other than what he has been saying 
of course, but I wanted to hear it straight from him.  I remained skeptical 
that he was really leaving behind family and work life.  But this seems to be 
the case. 

Pretty much, the answer to any question distlled down to, this is the divine 
working through Ravi.  So, what else is there to say.

Ex: "Ravi, it sounds like you are going to live the life of wandering mendicant"

Answer:  "Yes, the divine will work through Ravi, and let him know what plan 
the divine has"  Or something to this effect.

Bottom Line: I believe Ravi believes that his awakening will bestow upon him 
the credibiliy to assume the role of a guru to many seekers.  And I think that 
because he has great saturation with American culture, with all it's nuances 
that he is uniquely fashioned for this role.

This is my report. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
>
> No need to reduce other paths to "Transcendental Meditation." This a
habit that Maharishi had that, IMHO, cultivated arrogance and separation
from others not doing what "we" did. The TM/ TM-Sidhi program offers a
great sadhana or spiritual practice, but it failed to address necessary
critical behaviors while on the path towards Realization. This failure
to cultivate these values led to the profound dysfunction of the TMO and
ultimately to its failure (failure is a relative term here. The TMO and
MMY can also be seen as very successful in other contexts). TM is not
the "gold standard" of spiritual practices. It simply is one of many
bodies of yogic practices that contributes to increasing sattva in the
body/mind. I don't believe there is a "gold standard" in any objective
sense.

  Also, I would like to apologize ahead of time for my reasonable tone. I
will get shrill and irrational if that is more appropriate.


That's old school.  That's our Dr. Pete.  And didn't even send it from
his blackberry.


> --- On Fri, 5/21/10, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote:
>
> > From: Buck dhamiltony...@...
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 9:10 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Amritanandamayi teaches a spiritual path that
> > > > consists of understanding the scriptures in
> > > > the Vedas, the Upanishads, and the Bhagavad
> > > > Gita.
> > > >
> > > > Amma advocates meditation, karma yoga, and
> > > > devotional service. According to Amma, the
> > > > cultivation of blissful consciousness reveals
> > > > the non-dual, transcendental absolute, leading
> > > > to 'jivanmukti' - fully realized while yet
> > > > living.
> > > >
> >
> > Cool that reads as, Transcendental Meditation.
> >
> >
> > > > "There is one Truth that shines through all of
> > > > creation. Rivers and mountains, plants and
> > > > animals, the sun, the moon and the stars, you
> > > > and I â€" all are expressions of this one
> > > > Reality." - Amma
> > > >
> >
> > This reads sounding like a 'Unified Field' Chart.
> >
> > >
> > > Yes, that is succinct.  She's a
> > transcendentalist.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > To subscribe, send a message to:
> > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Or go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> > Â  Â  fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's see the hands.....

[lurkernomore20002000]

I think we have the post of the week here.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Let's see the hands of everyone here who thinks they are sane.  ;-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> If you'd like to interview me about tacos, I'm your man. :-)

Oh Jesus.  I can just feel Edg on some rock outcropping ready to pounce.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[lurkernomore20002000]

I can hear it now. 

"Okay Ravi it is a seven day time limit. You are allowed 50 posts. You may 
engage the participants in any verbal manuveaurs you see fit. And They can 
respond with their own verbal manuveaurs. You will be called on any below the 
belt attacks, but they are not illegal. Okay, now I want to come out posting"

And the rest, as they say is FFL history. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Bhairitu
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:13 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior
> revealed.
>  
>   
> Alex Stanley wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , Ravi Chivukula
>  wrote:
> > 
> >> Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior
> >> 
> >
> > Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife
> moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This
> morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count,
> which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed
> to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are
> suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28.
> I told Ravi about the 50-post limit on his first day. If he has exceeded it,
> he should take a breather for a week like anyone else.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[lurkernomore20002000]

Isn't this where they trot out Sandra Glickman. I didn't listen to the 
interview, but I think Rick said that she had no "TMO" background.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Maybe Rick ought to try a show where he interviews ordinary people but 
> with the same questions he asked "the awakened."  And these should not 
> be folks from Fairfield but off the streets of Chicago or New York.  
> Might be hilarious.  Might be picked up by HBO.   ;-)
> 
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> > You sure do know how to pick 'em, Rick.
> >
> > Any other "ordinary enlightened folks" you want to share with us?
> > I'm thinkin' that this one spent too much time around the gas
> > pumps, and the fumes have gotten to him.  :-)
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
> >  wrote:
> >   
> >> Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior, he is right
> >> now in Kaali Bhava.Please read carefully.
> >>
> >> Bitches that don't have any experiences - positive or negative, please
> >> do comment negatively, I want to feed on you..:-)
> >> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[lurkernomore20002000]

I say let man have his posting priviledges back.  Unless of course,that would 
prolong the episode.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> authfriend wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
> >  wrote:
> >   
> >> What is it called?  Making an exception on "humanitarian
> >> grounds".  That's what I would say.  I think he needs us.  
> >> 
> >
> > He doesn't need *us*. He needs professional help, and
> > *fast*.
> >
> >   
> 
> He sounds like a typical DESI to me. :-D
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[lurkernomore20002000]

Have you seen the youtubes of those Pakistani's playing badminton.  Some kind 
of exercise there.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Alex Stanley wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > wrote:
> >   
> >> Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior
> >> 
> >
> > Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife 
> > moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This 
> > morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count, 
> > which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed 
> > to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are 
> > suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28.
> 
> We now return you to your regularly scheduled badminton games.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)

[lurkernomore20002000]

Joe,  maybe sometime I'll actually take the time for more than cursary look at 
your posts.  I couldn't even really say what is your general POV on things. As 
best I can determine, I think you are a chimer-inner

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> 
> Uh, right. Gotta get up pretty late in the afternoon to put one over on the 
> Lurker!
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I guess I kind of figured that if he was succeeding at work,  if he 
> > was having a somewhat normal family life, then how off kilter could he be. 
> > But after the most recent post, the Lurkster may have been the last to 
> > realize what was going on.  
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On May 19, 2010, at 10:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > What the hell happened!
> > > > >
> > > > > Someone showed some good sense?
> > > > 
> > > > Good sense?  In what way?
> > > > 
> > > > > > I mean maybe things are a bit over the top with what's 
> > > > > > going on with you,
> > > > >
> > > > > Understatement of the week.
> > > > >
> > > > > > but calling the cops? I don't get that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe someone was concerned that manic grandiosity
> > > > > and basically declaring himself Lord of the Universe while
> > > > > expecting others to respond accordingly were a tad odd.
> > > > > YMMV.
> > > > 
> > > > So what? That's his experience, or the way you interpret it. But
> > > > again, so what.What business is it of anyone elses? You've got some
> > > > views that I sometimes consider over the top. Do you want the police
> > > > knocking on your door for no legitimate reason. This so called
> > > > "intervention" stinks, and was not motivated by any notion of good
> > > > intention. It was motivated by pettiness. I will guarantee you that.
> > > 
> > > Lurk, what makes you think it ever happened?
> > > 
> > > I mean, this is the guy who has claimed that he's
> > > "dealt with" Sal and I and others here on FFL before
> > > on "Amma lists." He claimed it not only here, but on
> > > the BATGAP forum. 
> > > 
> > > That never happened. He dreamed it all up, as part 
> > > of some grandiose "I'm so important they persecute me"
> > > fantasy. I'm thinkin' that the "Somebody called the
> > > cops" ploy is another one out of the same playbook.
> > > 
> > > Most of this -- *including*, as far as I can tell, 
> > > the claims of "awakening" -- is all happening inside
> > > his head. 
> > > 
> > > Interestingly, as far as I can tell from a quick skim,
> > > he made *no impression at all* over on BATGAP. About
> > > the only person who bothered to even interact with
> > > him was Jim. That's a hopeful sign. Imagine if they
> > > had greeted him as "one of their own" and *encouraged*
> > > these fantasies.
> > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Someone finally did call the cops on me.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.

[lurkernomore20002000]

What is it called?  Making an exception on "humanitarian grounds".  That's what 
I would say.  I think he needs us.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior
> 
> Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife 
> moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This 
> morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count, 
> which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed 
> to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are 
> suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)

[lurkernomore20002000]

Well, I guess I kind of figured that if he was succeeding at work,  if he was 
having a somewhat normal family life, then how off kilter could he be. But 
after the most recent post, the Lurkster may have been the last to realize what 
was going on.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > On May 19, 2010, at 10:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
> > >
> > > > What the hell happened!
> > >
> > > Someone showed some good sense?
> > 
> > Good sense?  In what way?
> > 
> > > > I mean maybe things are a bit over the top with what's 
> > > > going on with you,
> > >
> > > Understatement of the week.
> > >
> > > > but calling the cops? I don't get that.
> > >
> > > Maybe someone was concerned that manic grandiosity
> > > and basically declaring himself Lord of the Universe while
> > > expecting others to respond accordingly were a tad odd.
> > > YMMV.
> > 
> > So what? That's his experience, or the way you interpret it. But
> > again, so what.What business is it of anyone elses? You've got some
> > views that I sometimes consider over the top. Do you want the police
> > knocking on your door for no legitimate reason. This so called
> > "intervention" stinks, and was not motivated by any notion of good
> > intention. It was motivated by pettiness. I will guarantee you that.
> 
> Lurk, what makes you think it ever happened?
> 
> I mean, this is the guy who has claimed that he's
> "dealt with" Sal and I and others here on FFL before
> on "Amma lists." He claimed it not only here, but on
> the BATGAP forum. 
> 
> That never happened. He dreamed it all up, as part 
> of some grandiose "I'm so important they persecute me"
> fantasy. I'm thinkin' that the "Somebody called the
> cops" ploy is another one out of the same playbook.
> 
> Most of this -- *including*, as far as I can tell, 
> the claims of "awakening" -- is all happening inside
> his head. 
> 
> Interestingly, as far as I can tell from a quick skim,
> he made *no impression at all* over on BATGAP. About
> the only person who bothered to even interact with
> him was Jim. That's a hopeful sign. Imagine if they
> had greeted him as "one of their own" and *encouraged*
> these fantasies.
> 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Someone finally did call the cops on me.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)

[lurkernomore20002000]

I guess she got what she wanted.  Just couln't tolerate a view that
departed too far from what she considered acceptable.  Now life can go
back to normal  Breathe a sigh of relief.  The renegade has been
"arrested"


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
 wrote:
>
> Funny Sal..let me hit my limit...I know I have your wishes, I will see
you
> guys in Chicago..
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On May 19, 2010, at 10:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
> >
> > > What the hell happened!
> >
> > Someone showed some good sense?
> >
> >
> > > I mean maybe things are a bit over the top with what's going on
with you,
> >
> > Understatement of the week.
> >
> >
> > > but calling the cops? I don't get that.
> >
> > Maybe someone was concerned that manic grandiosity
> > and basically declaring himself Lord of the Universe while
> > expecting others to respond accordingly were a tad odd.
> > YMMV.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,
> > Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Someone finally did call the cops on me.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
 wrote:
>
> Its my beloved wife...checkout FB..facebook.com/chivukula.ravi.
>
> I need all of your prayers..LOL..
>
> The cops got surprised that an ordinary helpless simple man could be a
> problem. They laughed at me.

What are they going to do?  Look around?  What a joke?  But I would
think something like this can upset the kids, upset the spouse.  And
why?  The person who instigated that call is a petty coward.


> Love - Ravi.
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 8:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 <
> steve.sun...@... wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What the hell happened! I mean maybe things are a bit over the top
with
> > what's going on with you, but calling the cops? I don't get that.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,
> > Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone finally did call the cops on me.
> > >
> > > But my mother protects me..
> > >
> > > I strongly dislike any negativities, in Indian or Western culture.
No
> > harm
> > > is meant to anyone, so please stop.
> > >
> > > Mother Kali was making me look at my negativities, looking at
> > negativities
> > > of Indian culture, western culture, please treat this as spiritual
> > ramblings
> > > not a personal attack on everyone. Please don't call the police on
> > me...:-)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
wrote:
>
> On May 19, 2010, at 10:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
>
> > What the hell happened!
>
> Someone showed some good sense?

Good sense?  In what way?
>
> > I mean maybe things are a bit over the top with what's going on with
you,
>
> Understatement of the week.
>
> > but calling the cops? I don't get that.
>
> Maybe someone was concerned that manic grandiosity
> and basically declaring himself Lord of the Universe while
> expecting others to respond accordingly were a tad odd.
> YMMV.

So what?  That's his experience, or the way you interpret it.  But
again, so what. What business is it of anyone elses?  You've got some
views that I sometimes consider over the top. Do you want the police
knocking on your door for no legitimate reason.  This so called
"intervention" stinks, and was not motivated by any notion of good
intention. It was motivated by pettiness.  I will guarantee you that.
>
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
> >>
> >> Someone finally did call the cops on me.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] (unknown)

[lurkernomore20002000]

What the hell happened!  I mean maybe things are a bit over the top with what's 
going on with you, but calling the cops?  I don't get that.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Someone finally did call the cops on me.
> 
> But my mother protects me..
> 
> I strongly dislike any negativities, in Indian or Western culture. No harm
> is meant to anyone, so please stop.
> 
> Mother Kali was making me look at my negativities, looking at negativities
> of Indian culture, western culture, please treat this as spiritual ramblings
> not a personal attack on everyone. Please don't call the police on me...:-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's clarifications on his experiences

[lurkernomore20002000]

Well, I do like his energy in many ways.  But, yea, I mean, what's the point of 
making sure that you get off on the wrong foot with so many people.  Not that 
people here were very welcoming. I suspect he will shortly go back to Buddha at 
the Gas Pump exclusively.  I like the splash he made.  But we've got the 50 
post per week limit, and that is often a deal breaker for people. 



 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On May 18, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> 
> > Dear "yifuxero" piece of shit
> 
> More "fresh air," right lurk? :)
> What did we ever do without him...
> 
> > It doesn't matter what I say, you already are one of my "bottom of the can" 
> > idiotic retarded wannabe thuggie disciple...LOL..join the queue after 
> > torky, sally, tartie, shukri, freakybrain...you are the sixth...
> 
> Ah, yes, the breezes wafting from his
> words are like the pure west wind...
> 
> > Ravi Chivukula is a hunter.:-)
> > 
> > His eyes are hypnoticLOL..
> > 
> > You know how a lion catches its prey. It just locks its eyes with its prey 
> > - the minute the prey looks at the lion, it is frozen and all the lion has 
> > to do now is devour it.
> > 
> > So you can run, you can hide, I will find you, look at you, hypnotize you, 
> > devour you and give you moksha...
> 
> Now he's beginning to sound almost unhinged...
> 
> > P.S. I make a 6 figure salary that you can only dream of..so you can come 
> > and lick my ass and I will pay you for that..LOL 
> 
> Thank goodness this guy's in Fresno.
> 
> Sal
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Boston Globe Big Picture Oil Spill

[lurkernomore20002000]

You forgot #4.  Obama is somehow responsible for this.  There should be a tie 
in of some sot.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> 1. BP is not allowing inspection of information from acoustic mapping of the 
> undersea oil deposits in the water sub surface est to be 70% of the spill. BP 
> is not releasing Hyper-spectral surface pictures of the spill area for 
> analysis with University marine science collected by the US Gov.
> 
> 2. BP is not conducting surveillance and allowing the other assets in the 
> combined command to talk to the press about what they are finding.
> 
> 3. BP has more liability under the surface than they do on the top and a 
> conflict of interest in management of the oil spill mitigation and gets it 
> authority from a cozy agreement with US Dept of Interior.
> Posted by BPoilworker May 17, 2010 10:13 PM
> 
> Comment #904 "The Big Picture"
> 
> http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/05/disaster_unfolds_slowly_in_the.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's clarifications on his experiences

[lurkernomore20002000]

I have to say, I find it refreshing.  This may be his experience.  I mean, 
after a while, I would think you would come back to the first person.  But I 
can see where someone, who might be experiencing something new, may refer to 
himself in the third person.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Alex Stanley is a person who is weirded out by people who refer to themselves 
> in the third person.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > The irony is that the Ravi Chivukula, the thug became the "lover"...:-), he
> > loves everyone now..but recognize a thug from a wussy. Ravi Chivukula loves
> > the true spiritual thugs because they are the future lovers...but will
> > smell and hunt down wussies, idiots and retards...LOL...
> > 
> > You know who Ravi Chivukula is, he has a face, a family, a Guru, you know
> > where he lives and works, Fremont and San Francisco, his life is an open
> > book...he will come to Iowa when his Guru comes so people can meet him and
> > his family. He will give his love and blessings to anyone who is open and
> > interested.
> > 
> > Do you know anything about your wussies, the retards, the idiots posing as
> > spiritual thugs??? Ravi Chivukula has a special quality, his life of a thug
> > converted lover doesn't match his Gurus, he has his unique style which is
> > very different from his Gurus, he doesn't copy anyone, though he is in
> > gratitude to his Gurus.
> > 
> > The retards will use quotations from all over the place and will easily
> > expose themselves as retarded because they can't compete with Ravi
> > Chivukula..:-)because they are in a hurry to prove themselves to
> > be thugs...LOL. Ravi is relaxed, patient..he is a hunter...of
> > idiots, retards, wussieshe has done that all his life...never tolerated
> > medocrity:-)
> > 
> > Love - Ravi.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Ravi Chivukula
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear everyone,
> > >
> > > Ravi Chivukula was a quintessential spiritual thug. He has an excellent
> > > memory, people who create fake id's, troll through list and attack him, 
> > > his
> > > family, his Guru are spiritual wussies and pussies. He has an excellent
> > > memory, he remembers incidents from when he was 2, he will detect and hunt
> > > these people who harass devotees. He clearly remember tartie boy, sally 
> > > and
> > > turqoise retard from his Amma days.
> > >
> > > He will eat tartie for breakfast, Turquoise for lunch and Sal for dinner,
> > > shukra69 for a snack...LOL
> > >
> > > He met Ammachi when he was 24, but he only accepted her teaching if it was
> > > applicable to him and rejected anything that wasn't applicable to him. He
> > > was rude and made fun of anyone who accepted his guru's teachings 
> > > literally.
> > > He didn't spare anyone. He was the quintessential spiritual thug and
> > > disciple. Wow the greatness of Ammachi !!! and a disciple like Ravi
> > > Chivukula..:-). His life was an open book, he didn't create fake id's to
> > > threaten and harass masters, he learnt from them.
> > >
> > > When Ravi sees these retards attacking devotees, true men like Jim 
> > > Flanegin
> > > and a list started by a man "Rick Archer" that he so appreciates, he will
> > > not sit idle. He has the spiritual energy to share the essence and smells
> > > the wussies from a distance. They can only dream of a state like Ravi
> > > Chivukula.
> > >
> > > Love - Ravi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's clarifications on his experiences

[lurkernomore20002000]

I am just loving every bit of this.  Let me say that Ravi Chivukula is a good 
listener.  I think he picks up right away where people are coming from, 
although, I still say he misunderstood Tart.  But if he shooting from the hip, 
I think his aim is pretty accurate.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Dear Edg,
> 
> 
> Yes !!!
> 
> I am awake, just got up, I am singing a song trying to wake up my wife and
> kids, dancing, blissed out ready to take down these wussiesLOL
> 
> Love - Ravi.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Duveyoung  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Ravi must be enlightened; look at Turq going nutzoid with unstressing about
> > it. He's got Turq's number, and doesn't mind hanging him upside down in the
> > public square and smacking Turq the Jerk around like it was Benito
> > Mussolini's last moments.
> >
> > And yeah, Turq came out of the chute with horns sharpened -- that's a tell
> > that he's still looking for outer embodiments to rail upon because his other
> > spiritual rapists are dead now. Poor Turq -- how can anyone stand the pain
> > of being handcuffed to such a personality? I guess masturbating while
> > fantasizing about lacing some young thing's drink with Ambien is as good as
> > life gets for him now.
> >
> > Edg
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's clarifications on his experiences

[lurkernomore20002000]

We have not had fun like this for a long time.  Let's enjoy it while it lasts.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > Dear everyone,
> > 
> > Ravi Chivukula was a quintessential spiritual thug. He has an 
> > excellent memory, people who create fake id's, troll through 
> > list and attack him, his family, his Guru are spiritual wussies 
> > and pussies. He has an excellent memory, he remembers incidents 
> > from when he was 2, he will detect and hunt these people who 
> > harass devotees. He clearly remember tartie boy, sally and
> > turqoise retard from his Amma days.
> 
> Since animal metaphors seem to be all the rage these
> days, Ravi appears to be as crazy as a loon and as 
> paranoid as a long-tailed cat in a room full of 
> rocking chairs.  :-)
> 
> I have never either read or posted to any group about
> Amma. She seems like a nice lady and all, but I have
> never had enough interest in her to do so. 
> 
> > He will eat tartie for breakfast, Turquoise for lunch and Sal 
> > for dinner, shukra69 for a snack...LOL
> 
> Add to the animal metaphors being a bit of a pig. :-)
> 
> > He met Ammachi when he was 24, but he only accepted her 
> > teaching if it was applicable to him and rejected anything 
> > that wasn't applicable to him. He was rude and made fun of 
> > anyone who accepted his guru's teachings literally.
> 
> "He" also tends to talk as if schizophrenic, referring
> to himself in the third person. That'll get you put
> away in some states or countries.  :-)
> 
> > He didn't spare anyone. He was the quintessential spiritual 
> > thug and disciple. Wow the greatness of Ammachi !!! and a 
> > disciple like Ravi Chivukula..:-). His life was an open book, 
> > he didn't create fake id's to threaten and harass masters, 
> > he learnt from them.
> > 
> > When Ravi sees these retards attacking devotees, true men 
> > like Jim Flanegin and a list started by a man "Rick Archer" 
> > that he so appreciates, he will not sit idle. He has the 
> > spiritual energy to share the essence and smells the wussies 
> > from a distance. They can only dream of a state like Ravi
> > Chivukula.
> 
> Legend in his own mind. 
> 
> > Love - Ravi
> 
> FOAD to you, too, brother.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's clarifications on his experiences

[lurkernomore20002000]

Well, he came on board, and laid out who he was and where he was coming from. 
How many have done that? Then Turq's first posts to that were out and out 
personal attacks.  Attempting to speak for all of us by comparing him to Jim 
Flanagan, and saying that Jim was viewed as a pretty big fool around here. I 
can speak for myself, thank you.  And then telling him (Ravi) he had to choose 
between Jim or his wife. (was that supposed to be some kind of joke) That 
seemed strange to me.  He posted a video of him and his wife.  I thought they 
looked like a happy couple.  I don't see many people here, including myself, 
sharing that much personal information.  

I couldn't figure out his attacks on Tart.  I don't think he got where Tart was 
coming from.  Yea, he lashed out pretty strong against those he felt were 
demeaning him.  But hey, they drew first blood.  

I like him.  In the posts of his I've read at Buddha at the Park Bench, he 
seems pretty consistent, and doesn't seem to full of himself.

So, that's my thumbnail.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On May 17, 2010, at 9:57 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
> 
> > Well, I have to say that this has really been a breath of fresh air. We 
> > have so much quarreling here, that it gets pretty dull. So, it's nice to 
> > have your input. 
> 
> Yes, "Ravi" sure is a breath of fresh air, isn't he?
> 
> "So when I blast someone please remember this energy is not stuck in my lower 
> centers, it immediately gives me a rush of energy since I'm pure and 
> untouched. "  
> 
> "You can tell how someone is my retarded devotee..."
> 
> "Hey tartie - another one of my idiot disciples from my Amma days, its one of 
> my luckiest days..LOL, Amma has reunited me with my 3 favorite retards in one 
> single day..."
> 
> "Sorry today's applications for retarded disciples is closed."
> 
> "I'm your worst nightmare come true tartie guy..LOL, Amma has sent me to take 
> care of retards like you tartie brain. She is too busy with the cream of the 
> top tartie baby..."
> 
> Thanks for pointing out how "fresh" Rav has made the
> air here, lurk.  :)  Otherwise, we might have been 
> inclined to chalk him up as  a manic, grandiose,
> Edg-lite windbag.  (And not only that, he's a bore.) Not that there's
> anything wrong with all that, of course...
> 
> Sal
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's clarifications on his experiences

[lurkernomore20002000]

Well, I have to say that this has really been a breath of fresh air. We have so 
much quarreling here, that it gets pretty dull. So, it's nice to have your 
input. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Thank you Steve.
> 
> I have always considered words to be totally inadequate in expressing my
> feelings. All my life I was trapped with an intense love for my beloved, my
> mother but was never able to express it. It was like my Amma says - "honey
> trapped inside a rock". I struggled, hated myself, anger, bitter, resentful.
> I acted out always fighting defensively, lashing out at people. I have hurt
> so many in my lifetime but because of my awakening I have completely purged
> myself through a painful process to become a perfect vessel for the divine.
> I'm just in a tremendous gratitude that existence makes me articulate my
> feelings through the medium of writing. This only started since April and
> even if it helps one person it will be of immense value.
> 
> Love - Ravi.
> 
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:44 PM, lurkernomore20002000 <
> steve.sun...@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Nice video. Brought a smile to my face.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ,
> > Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > >
> > > A video is worth million words !!!.
> > >
> > > I uploaded a recent video (Friday May 14, 2010) of my love for her -
> > > reconfirming our vows so to speak -
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLFWJfcMZ0
> > >
> > > Sorry I had something stuck in my mouth while I was singing but you will
> > > feel my love and energy.
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's clarifications on his experiences

[lurkernomore20002000]

Well, I have to say that this has really been a breath of fresh air. We have so 
much quarreling here, that it gets pretty dull. So, it's nice to have your 
input. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Thank you Steve.
> 
> I have always considered words to be totally inadequate in expressing my
> feelings. All my life I was trapped with an intense love for my beloved, my
> mother but was never able to express it. It was like my Amma says - "honey
> trapped inside a rock". I struggled, hated myself, anger, bitter, resentful.
> I acted out always fighting defensively, lashing out at people. I have hurt
> so many in my lifetime but because of my awakening I have completely purged
> myself through a painful process to become a perfect vessel for the divine.
> I'm just in a tremendous gratitude that existence makes me articulate my
> feelings through the medium of writing. This only started since April and
> even if it helps one person it will be of immense value.
> 
> Love - Ravi.
> 
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:44 PM, lurkernomore20002000 <
> steve.sun...@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Nice video. Brought a smile to my face.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ,
> > Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > >
> > > A video is worth million words !!!.
> > >
> > > I uploaded a recent video (Friday May 14, 2010) of my love for her -
> > > reconfirming our vows so to speak -
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLFWJfcMZ0
> > >
> > > Sorry I had something stuck in my mouth while I was singing but you will
> > > feel my love and energy.
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: And you thought kittens were cute...

[lurkernomore20002000]

Had the whole family around for that one.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Meet the Sloths:
> 
> http://vimeo.com/11712103
> 
> Footage shot at the world's only sloth orphanage, in Costa Rica.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's clarifications on his experiences

[lurkernomore20002000]

Nice video.  Brought a smile to my face.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> A video is worth million words !!!.
> 
> I uploaded a recent video (Friday May 14, 2010) of my love for her -
> reconfirming our vows so to speak -
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLFWJfcMZ0
> 
> Sorry I had something stuck in my mouth while I was singing but you will
> feel my love and energy.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: One more step closer to Big Brother

[lurkernomore20002000]

That helps, thanks. I don't expect names.  Just wanted a little fuller 
understanding. You provded that.  Thanks

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
> wrote:
> > Doug, maybe one day you will provide an actual example of the many
> > statements you make along these lines, but I am not betting that >today
> > will be the day  
> >
> 
> Dear Steve, if you were around Fairfield you'd see it too.  
> You phishing and want names?  As a journalist I don't share source names.
> But conspiracy nuts, you call out the conspiracy here in Fairfield and you'll 
> be readily
> talking with a real aggravated activist out in any Fairfield coffee shop or 
> in any grouping
> of folks.  Real activated wingnuts.  They are all over the place here.   
> 
> You'll notice Obama recently
> stopped in both Mt. Pleasant and Ottumwa but strategically also
> missed FF.  The White House wanted regular folks to talk with.  Not a crowd
> with salted activist nuts about the IRS, FCC, FDA, USDA, the Fed, the SEC, 
> the NRA, the AMA, secession Paulists, or whatever.
> 
> Spiritually though, the interesting thing in watching them get rev-ed up as 
> you might ask them what they are thinking, is what they've done to their 
> subtle energy systems.  Is just the way it is.  A real loss of self-control.  
> Is pitiable to see.  
> 
> -Buck in FF  
> 
> > 
> > 
> > > As an old conservative meditator by experience my conspiracy friends I
> > watch. Yeah, i'd be concerned about the anger and fear some of my
> > friends around here vex themselves with over their conspiracy theories.
> Spiritually it is just not good. You can just see how
> > they let their subtle energy systems get snagged and bawled up. Sad
> > really to watch them combust. They haven't something better to do than
> > fret and split hairs over figment completely beyond their reality? Like
> > they're missing what is infront of themselves & should just repent and
> > go sit more with God in meditation. The science is pretty clear on that.
> > >
> > > Jai Adi Shankara,
> > > -Buck
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Observations on Buddha at the Gas Pump

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 9:15 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Observations on Buddha at the Gas Pump
>
>
> Ok, I believe he (Ravi) is of Indian descent. He claims that although
> he embraces, or at least is comfortable with "liberal" western values,
> that his wife is traditional in her values, and that she wants her
> husband to be her guru as well. Maybe it is all good. But it doesn't
> sound quite right to me. My connection between this situation, and off
> shore drilling, was that there seemed to be a big pile on, in the
sense
> that members of the group were echoing one another that the BP
disaster
> should make it clear that all off shore drilling should be banned, and
> then while we're at it, lets ban any more nuclear plants.
>
> Now, rightly or wrongly, I figure that people who espouse those
> sentiments are also likely to be vocal about women's rights, and it
> seemed that no one cared to challenge Ravi about his decision to ban
his
> wife from participating in anything to do with Amma, and that going
> forward he was to occupy that role.
> Actually, I was the one who suggested that the oil spill may end the
debate
> about expanding off-shore oil drilling. Here's my comment: "My take on
the
> leak is that humanity is too stupid and stubborn to see and adopt more
> evolutionary, environmentally-friendly technologies voluntarily, so we
need
> very graphic, explicit lessons. This one kind of ends the debate on
> off-shore drilling, I'd say. Let's hope we don't need a lesson on
nuclear
> power plants."  Okay, thanks for the clarification. It sounds to me
like the solutions you propose are pretty radical.   Nuclear seems to be
working well in places it is generating power.
> I also responded to Ravi thusly: "Why does she have to reject Amma?
Can't
> she derive inspiration from multiple sources? With so much change and
> development still going on in your life, do you really feel qualified
to be
> a guru? Or maybe it's a traditional Indian thing, where the wife sees
her
> husband as her guru." And in another post: "So are you entering an
Anti-Amma
> phase, or do you just feel that your wife's devotion to you should be
> undivided? Will you and she still go to see Amma?"Right, I would be
interested in hearing a response.  Seems to me everyone else gave him a
free pass.  I guess some feel it wouldn't be polite, or that it would be
awkward to press him on this.
> He hasn't responded to this yet.
> I'll reserve judgment on Ravi. I don't know him or his relationship
with his
> wife well enough to understand what's going on between them. He was my
most
> recent interview and I hope to have the audio and video up at I am
sure it will shed some light on what his perspective is.
> http://batgap.com/ within a day or two. Thanks
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Observations on Buddha at the Gas Pump

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
wrote:


> OK, I went to the group today because this piqued my
> interest, and a couple of things jumped out at me.
> Firstly, lurk, it's only been a few hours since he posted
> his little anti-Amma bit, it's a Sunday and the group
> only has 50 people or so. I believe it has been a little more than a
few hours, and it seemed that the group was pretty active responding to
posts quickly.  Bottom line, I am dismissing this possiblity Second, he
made the comment
> in the context of another thread, and it's easy when
> that happens for something that's basically off-topic
> to get lost.  didn't get that on my end And thirdly--I don't know. He
puts
> LOLs and smiley faces all over the post he announces
> he basically made his wife renounce Amma and accept
> himself, Ravi, as her guru--like it's some big joke or something. I
missed those nuances.  It all seemed pretty serious to me
> Which kind of gives the post a sort of weird feeling to me,
> since what he's describing doesn't sound at all fun.  Yea, kind of
seems to me like he went a couple steps beyond what seems normal.
>
> I'll stick with the insults and rudeness over here any day,
> lurk. You can go with the Ravi types who sound close
> to certifiable.
>
> Sal
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Observations on Buddha at the Gas Pump

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
wrote:

> I wonder, if he's being so obvious about it, if maybe
> it's some kind of a set-up.  I mean, I could really see
> Shemp trying something like this out, and then saying...
> "See?  I was right!  All you liberals really are phony hypocrites..."

Nah, it's more like a rennaisance dance over there.  The interactions
are all pretty polite, and follow a somewhat formal structure.  First
you nod or curtsey (acknowledge the worth of the person you are
addressing). Then you take their hand, and engage in the first steps of
the dance ( begin the content of your post), take a few twirls (most of
their posts tend to be brief), and pass your partner on the next person,
( acknowledge that you have enjoyed the chat, and that, more
importantly, some insight has been gained).  I think you've been hanging
around here too long.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Observations on Buddha at the Gas Pump

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> I see the connection you were making. I think people are
> a lot more reluctant to challenge personal stuff publicly
> than huge impersonal entities like BP or the nuclear power
> industry. So that doesn't really surprise me.

I mean, it's all very proper and polite over there.  But the under
current is "aren't we pretty progressive  here".  So, I'm not sure how
you just let something like this Ravi thing pass without a little bit of
a challenge.  But I enjoy the banter, even if I don't feel the need to
participate.
>
> I hope she has some friends she can go to if he begins to
> get out of hand. Just sounds potentially ungood.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Observations on Buddha at the Gas Pump

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
steve.sundur@ wrote:
> >
> > Ok, I believe he (Ravi) is of Indian descent.  He claims that
> > although he embraces, or at least is comfortable with "liberal"
> > western values, that his wife is  traditional in her values,
> > and that she wants her husband to be her guru as well.  Maybe
> > it is all good.  But it doesn't sound quite right to me.
>
> Me neither. I mean, if they have some kind of mutual
> agreement, that's one thing, but it's a private matter.
> Forcing her to repudiate Amma in public borders on
> abusive, it seems to me (again, on the basis of what
> you describe). Well,  just to be clear.  I don't believe the
repudiation was a public event. I believe he made her do it privately to
him.  But he did not seem to mind talking about it.
>
> > My connection between this situation, and off
> > shore drilling, was that there seemed to be a big pile on,
> > in the sense that members of the group were echoing one
> > another that the BP disaster should make it clear that all
> > off shore drilling should be banned, and then while we're
> > at it, lets ban any more nuclear plants.
> >
> > Now, rightly or wrongly, I figure that people who espouse
> > those sentiments are also likely to be vocal about women's
> > rights, and it seemed that no one cared to challenge Ravi
> > about his decision to ban his wife from participating in
> > anything to do with Amma, and that going forward he was to
> > occupy that role.
>
> I see the connection you were making. I think people are
> a lot more reluctant to challenge personal stuff publicly
> than huge impersonal entities like BP or the nuclear power
> industry. So that doesn't really surprise me.
>
> I hope she has some friends she can go to if he begins to
> get out of hand. Just sounds potentially ungood.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Observations on Buddha at the Gas Pump

[lurkernomore20002000]

Ok, I believe he (Ravi) is of Indian descent.  He claims that although
he embraces, or at least is comfortable with "liberal" western values, 
that his wife is  traditional in her values, and that she wants her
husband to be her guru as well.  Maybe it is all good.  But it doesn't
sound quite right to me.  My connection between this situation, and off
shore drilling, was that there seemed to be a big pile on, in the sense
that members of the group were echoing one another that the BP disaster
should make it clear that all off shore drilling should be banned, and
then while we're at it, lets ban any more nuclear plants.

Now,  rightly or wrongly, I figure that people who espouse those
sentiments are also likely to be vocal about women's rights, and it
seemed that no one cared to challenge Ravi about his decision to ban his
wife from participating in anything to do with Amma, and that going
forward he was to occupy that role.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
steve.sundur@ wrote:
> >
> 
> > But over the last day or so, there have been many posts
> > castigating off shore drilling, nuclear power plants, and
> > other sentiments along those lines.  But they have a guy,
> > named Ravi, who is evidnetly having experiences of higher
> > states of conscioussness.  And, as best I can understand,
> > because of this, he feels he must assume the role as his
> > wife's guru. She, as best I can understand has been a
> > devotee of Amma, but he has gone so far as to make her
> > repeat 3 times, that she denounces Amma, and accepts him
> > as her only legitimate Guru.  And he claims he is doing
> > all this for her own good.  There are some other nuances
> > along these lines, but that is the just, as best I
> > understand.
> >
> > And the response from the other participants?  Silence.
> > Silence.  To me, I see some hypocrisy, and maybe cowardice.
> > For the record, only our torch bearer, Rick Archer seems
> > to have had the fortitude to question him about this
> > attitude.
>
> Yow. From your description, it sounds like some kind of
> intervention is needed, fast (not online, in person).
>
> (Is there some connection between this and the denunciations
> of offshore drilling etc.?)
>

[FairfieldLife] Observations on Buddha at the Gas Pump

[lurkernomore20002000]

I have really been enjoying reading the posts on Buddha at the Gas Pump.  And 
Thank God, their protocol does not allow all the bickering, insults, attacks 
that are so prevalent here. I do not belong to that group, and have no 
intention to do so. I am more comfortable here, because I am pretty good in 
participating the aforementioned behaviorss.

But over the last day or so, there have been many posts castigating off shore 
drilling, nuclear power plants, and other sentiments along those lines.  But 
they have a guy, named Ravi, who is evidnetly having experiences of higher 
states of conscioussness.  And, as best I can understand, because of this, he 
feels he must assume the role as his wife's guru. She, as best I can understand 
has been a devotee of Amma, but he has gone so far as to make her repeat 3 
times, that she denounces Amma, and accepts him as her only legitimate Guru.  
And he claims he is doing all this for her own good.  There are some other 
nuances along these lines, but that is the just, as best I understand.

And the response from the other participants?  Silence.  Silence.  To me, I see 
some hypocrisy, and maybe cowardice.  For the record, only our torch bearer, 
Rick Archer seems to have had the fortitude to question him about this 
attitude. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: One more step closer to Big Brother

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:

> As an old conservative meditator by experience my conspiracy friends I
watch. Yeah, i'd be concerned about the anger and fear some of my
friends around here vex themselves with over their conspiracy theories.
Doug, maybe one day you will provide an actual example of the many
statements you make along these lines, but I am not betting that today
will be the day  Spiritually it is just not good. You can just see how
they let their subtle energy systems get snagged and bawled up. Sad
really to watch them combust. They haven't something better to do than
fret and split hairs over figment completely beyond their reality? Like
they're missing what is infront of themselves & should just repent and
go sit more with God in meditation. The science is pretty clear on that.
>
> Jai Adi Shankara,
> -Buck
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Video: Canadian Couple Arrested at US Border

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> I actually had the Canadian border folks pull me and another TM
teacher
> in for questioning when we crossed the border to see a Paul Horn and
> Larry Domash thing in Vancouver BC. The teacher I was with just *had*
> to say "we're teachers on our way to a meeting" before I could say
"just
> visiting" which was more pertinent. However the Canadian officers were
> not harsh nor rude. They were just concerned we were going up to steal
> teaching jobs away from Canadians. Boy did I yell at that idiot
teacher
> after they let us go. TM made some people really lame.
>
So,  the moral we are to take  away from this story is these TM teachers
are so lame because a Canadian border control agent asked them where
they were going, and they gave a simple straightforward answer instead
of divining what might have been in the back of the border control
agent's mind regarding the employment picture of Canadians?  And I
presume this happend 35 years ago? I'm not getting.  I'm afraid it says
a lot more about you  Bhairtu.  Like it might be getting close to the
end of the day, and you haven't gotten enough TM bashing in. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bloomberg speculates that Times Square car bombing because of health care bill

[lurkernomore20002000]

Wait, something not making sense.  I thought you were a retired UPS driver?  
So, if you lost 170 lbs., and if I speculate that you now weigh about 200 lbs., 
how were you a UPS driver scrambling around and maintaining their efficiency 
ievels?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Thank God I don't have one(pace maker)! Dr. Shahzad just keeps an eye on my 
> blood pressure which is pretty good after losing 170 lbs.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 12:39:20 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bloomberg speculates that Times Square car 
> bombing because of health care bill
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> >
> > It's not supposed to?
> 
> Right up until just before it goes off... You want to
> worry if it *stops* ticking.
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> > >
> > > I think I just heard that 8 people have been arrested in Pa- ki- 
> > > stan as accomplices of Shahzad. Damn, that's my cardiologists name!
> > 
> > If your pacemaker starts ticking, I'd be worried... :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama event

[lurkernomore20002000]

For me, just the fact that he is not Bush, that there is not a Dick
Cheney in a position of power is good enough for me right now.  And I
also happen to feel that he is doing a pretty good job.  Obviously YMMV.
And I think Hillary Clinton is also doing a tremendous job.  I've said
it many times before-Bush viewed himself as a wartime president, and he
didn't seem to have an interest in anything else.  As I see it, all the
dire predictions of how the Iraq conflict would deteriorate, and how we
couldn't prosecute the conflict in Afganastan, how national security
would lapse,  have all been proven false.  And I think the primary
reason is that he is not running the wars from the oval office, but
rather they are being run from the Pentagon.  And national security is
and always will be a priority.  It's just that gone is the giant
manipulation through fear.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "andrasayer" sandraayer@ wrote:
> >
> > Ok, you're in love with Obama. Are you serious about the
> > enlightenment? He hired the former lawyer of Monsanto to
> > head the Food & Drug admin.(not to mention that he has not
> > been able to quit smoking).
>
> Not to mention a whole bunch of things that were odious
> to progressives when Bush did them, but don't seem to
> bother Obama's fans when he does them. Their equanimity
> is a wonder to behold.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The BBC: Saint who has lived without food, water for 70 yrs

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anatol_zinc" 
wrote:
>
> don't know if this guy is genuine
> but believe it is possible
>
> in Autobiography of a Yogi, Paramahansa Yogananda writes about two
lady saints who did not take food for decades
> one was a Catholic nun whom I assume was investigated and watched by
the church
>
> but most of all I believe Yogananda
>
> and more recently, Mooji of www.mooji.org
> said that he knows personally a whole family,
> except for the youngest one, in South Brazil
> who are breatherians
>
> science cannot prove that something like this is not possible,
> therefore, anyone who wishes to relive that it is possible
> is basically saying this is my hypothesis
> and it remains to be proven one way or the other
Edg dismissed the story outright as an impossibility or a fraud.  Turq,
if I followed his line of reasoning, seemed to dismiss it as well.  I
mention those two as they were about the only people who commented on
the story.  I also read the account of Yogananda's.  I guess you either
believe that there are such things as miracles, (or apparant miracles,
as if they do exist, there must be other, uncovered laws which apply to
them), or you don't.  I don't immediately presume this story is a fraud.
But, I need to see subtantiation.


Just for fun, for those who don't buy into occurances that violate the
laws of physics, are the accounts of objects like cardboard getting
lodged in steel, during a tornado, also fraud.  I am not asking 
cynically.  I really don't know.  I suppose I could check it out online.


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" rick@ wrote:
> >
> > The BBC's 2-minute video-report on an Indian saint who has lived
with no
> > food, no water, for over 70 years:
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8652837.stm
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[lurkernomore20002000]

New name atop the leaderboard. Oh yea.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  wrote:
>
> Fairfield Life Post Counter
> ===
> Start Date (UTC): Sat May 01 00:00:00 2010
> End Date (UTC): Sat May 08 00:00:00 2010
> 90 messages as of (UTC) Sun May 02 23:53:57 2010
> 
> 15 lurkernomore20002000 
> 11 Rick Archer 
> 10 authfriend 
> 10 TurquoiseB 
>  5 wle...@...
>  5 Bhairitu 
>  4 cardemaister 
>  3 guyfawkes91 
>  3 ditzyklanmail 
>  3 Yifu Xero 
>  3 WillyTex 
>  3 Duveyoung 
>  3 "do.rflex" 
>  2 John 
>  1 yifuxero 
>  1 wayback71 
>  1 tartbrain 
>  1 raunchydog 
>  1 paultrunk 
>  1 nablusoss1008 
>  1 Sal Sunshine 
>  1 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  1 David Hawthorne 
>  1 Buck 
> 
> Posters: 24
> Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times
> =
> Daylight Saving Time (Summer):
> US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM
> Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM
> Standard Time (Winter):
> US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM
> Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM
> For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The BBC: Saint who has lived without food, water for 70 yrs

[lurkernomore20002000]

A couple comments

I don't doubt that to be the case.  However this doesn't appear to be
the classic bribe taking scenario
>
> > So, Indians are likely incapable of a honest inquiry about this?
>
> I would go further and say that people who are heavily
> invested in the *idea* of miracles are the *last* people
> on earth who want to "investigate" one. In many cases
> they are the last people who ever want to encounter one
> in real life. The way that they maintain their faith in
> the miracles is to always keep them in the realm of ideas,
> and the phenomena themselves safely in the realm of things
> that happen to other people.
I sort of did not get the impression in watching the 2 minute , that the
people investigating it, were heavily invested in the idea of miracles,
or trying to perpetuate the notion that they are real.
> As I have pointed out many times, the TMO could "prove"
> that something extraordinary (beyond expenditure of pure
> muscle effort) was happening in "yogic flying." They
> could do this simply and "once and for all" by picking
> their best flyers and filming them with slow-motion-
> capture cameras while "flying" on a water mattress. If
> the "flyer" can get off the surface of the water mattress,
> then it's not muscle effort. Done deal. Fait accompli.
>
> Has there ever been any interest in doing this? Of course
> not. If it *didn't* happen, they couldn't keep saying that
> something extraordinary was happening in "yogic flying"
> beyond simple muscle effort. And such a realization would
> be the first chink in their armor of belief.
>
> My point is simply that rational people (such as your-
> self, Lurk, and I'm serious about this) often ascribe
> motives to *irrational* people that they do not have,
> such as a desire to find out the "real truth" about
> things they are heavily invested in, belief-wise.  On the surface the
people investigating this thing seemed to be wanting to be objective in
their investiagation, or certainly trying to present this appearance.
But  this could just be a facade. I
> have not found such a 'tude to be present all that
> often. My experience is that they more often react
> like JohnR does every time someone suggests that he
> prove Jyotish by making one or two *concrete, non-
> vague, easily verifiable predictions*. He declines,
> every time, for one reason or another.
>
> He -- and people like him -- will *always* decline
> any real opportunity to "prove" the things they believe
> to be true. They cannot take the chance that these
> things they believe in might be proved untrue.
>
> Just my opinion.

Thanks.  I also don't see a direct path for them to profit from it. I
mean they are not making a newdiscovery.  And I'm not sure how the
supposed yogi can easily cash in on it either.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The BBC: Saint who has lived without food, water for 70 yrs

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Lurk,
>
> The guy has not been observed long enough to declare a miracle. And,
as we know, bribery is the life blood of India.  Sounds like a pretty
harsh, even bigoted judgement.  So, Indians are likely incapable of  a
honest inquiry about this? The guy could be merely fasting and secretly
pissing in a wad of tissue which he hands off to a friend.
>
> I saw this article yesterday about an American guy, decades ago, that
went around showing folks how he could be run completely through by a
sword. Turns out he had taken a year and built a shaft thought his body
like one has through an earlobe for an earring -- talk about your
dedicated scammers!
>
> Same deal with this yogi -- even two dollars is big time motivation in
India. Get international acclaim, no matter how temporary, and the guy's
going on a speaking tour for the rest of his life as "the saint."
>
> Western science is not going to have a second thought about this. 
That's pretty easy.  Just dismiss it as impossible.  Goes against what
we know about human  phsyilogy, (at least so far), so  dismiss it.  I'm
not there yet, for better or worse.
>
> Edg
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
steve.sundur@ wrote:
> >
> > I saw this article earlier this week, and didn't get a chance to
comment on it. Recently Edg commented that had Fred Lenz really been
able to levitate that you would have gobs of people and press, and even
the govenrment all over it.
> >
> > And I said that sometimes the things you expect the press and
culture to jumb on, they don't. To me this is an example of this. If
this is true, is this not as remarkable a feat as leviatation? I saw
this story on a major media web site, on the front page, Tuesday or
Wednesday. Is this getting more than a passing interest from the press,
and culture. Doesn't seem like it. And then, why not?
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > The BBC's 2-minute video-report on an Indian saint who has lived
with no
> > > food, no water, for over 70 years:
> > >
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8652837.stm
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'

[lurkernomore20002000]

Oh, okay.  That's why it wasn't making sense.  "Dean of Men"  Funny title.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:49 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
>  
>   
> What was his position? Was he with the University?
> Dean of Men.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "David Hawthorne" 
> wrote:
> >
> > When I talked to John, last night, he said he left to pursue other
> > interests.
> > 
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > On Behalf Of Rick Archer
> > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:03 AM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> 
> > Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
> > 
> > 
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000
> > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:43 AM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > > On Behalf Of WLeed3@
> > > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:55 PM
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Knees are still being cut resignation of the Freshman's men's Dean of
> men
> > > just 2 weeks ago, or so.
> > > 
> > > Whom I interviewed on my show. I think he was forced to resign. I hope
> his
> > > being on my show didn't have anything to do with it.
> > Like, who are we talking about? The first comment doesn't make any sense
> > at all (at least to me), and the second comment doesn't clarify anything
> > either.
> > John Speer. http://batgap.com/john-speer/
> > A friend just told me that his having been on my show was "the last
> straw",
> > so they asked him to resign. I guess he was too open-minded.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "David Hawthorne" 
wrote:
>
> When I talked to John, last night, he said he left to pursue other
> interests.  Forgot to say, "and spend more time with his family" 
Forgot that part.
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Rick Archer
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:03 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
>
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:43 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" rick@ wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of WLeed3@
> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:55 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
> >
> >
> > Knees are still being cut resignation of the Freshman's men's Dean
of men
> > just 2 weeks ago, or so.
> >
> > Whom I interviewed on my show. I think he was forced to resign. I
hope his
> > being on my show didn't have anything to do with it.
> Like, who are we talking about? The first comment doesn't make any
sense
> at all (at least to me), and the second comment doesn't clarify
anything
> either.
> John Speer. http://batgap.com/john-speer/
> A friend just told me that his having been on my show was "the last
straw",
> so they asked him to resign. I guess he was too open-minded.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'

[lurkernomore20002000]

What was his position?  Was he with the University?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "David Hawthorne"  wrote:
>
> When I talked to John, last night, he said he left to pursue other
> interests.
>  
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Rick Archer
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:03 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
>  
>   
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:43 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
>  
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of WLeed3@
> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:55 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
> > 
> > 
> > Knees are still being cut resignation of the Freshman's men's Dean of men
> > just 2 weeks ago, or so.
> > 
> > Whom I interviewed on my show. I think he was forced to resign. I hope his
> > being on my show didn't have anything to do with it.
> Like, who are we  talking about?  The first comment doesn't make any sense
> at all (at least to me), and the second comment doesn't clarify anything
> either.
> John Speer. http://batgap.com/john-speer/
> A friend just told me that his having been on my show was "the last straw",
> so they asked him to resign. I guess he was too open-minded.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The BBC: Saint who has lived without food, water for 70 yrs

[lurkernomore20002000]

I saw this article earlier this week, and didn't get a chance to comment on it. 
 Recently Edg commented that had Fred Lenz really been able to levitate that 
you would have gobs of people and press, and even the govenrment all over it.  

And I said that sometimes the things you expect the press and culture to jumb 
on, they don't.  To me this is an example of this.  If this is true, is this 
not as remarkable a feat as leviatation?  I saw this story on a major media web 
site, on the front page, Tuesday or Wednesday.  Is this getting more than a 
passing interest from the press, and culture.  Doesn't seem like it.  And then, 
why not? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> The BBC's 2-minute video-report on an Indian saint who has lived with no
> food, no water, for over 70 years:
>  
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8652837.stm
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'

[lurkernomore20002000]

This must be such an insult to the admin and staff.  Hasn't this been the 
directive all along.  "Cut back", "do without", "accept the meager 
compensation".  Now, even this subsistence is seen to be too much.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91  wrote:
> >
> > Slowly, very slowly, the awful truth is beginning to make it through to the 
> > top guys in the TMO. But it's already too late to save MUM, it has no 
> > credibility in the academic world and so it can't get new staff. So no 
> > amount of economizing will allow it to survive. This news is just the first 
> > step towards the inevitable closure of MUM, with all that implies for the 
> > rest of the movement.
> > 
> > When times are tough and people have to make tough choices they reveal 
> > their real priorities. You can be pretty sure that Girish's palace and 
> > Tony's Paris pad won't be sacrificed to keep MUM alive. 
> 
> Does anyone really know the style in which Girish lives? 
> 
> If MUM goes, I think that means the TMO goes.  When this falls apart,  it 
> will be most interesting to see how the top people live out their lives - 
> will they have oodles of money squirreled away, or be getting by on very 
> little.?  Living in FF or some TM enclave in Vlodrop, or getting far away 
> from it all?   For TM teachers, the TMO was incredibly stingy - and I imagine 
> the same goes for their treatment of MUM faculty, too.  
> 
> My guess is that if Bevan is beginning to ring the alarm bells publicly, then 
> he and the other top people are way way ahead of what they are talking about. 
>  I bet they have already begun the plan to dismantle things.  I have no idea 
> who runs the money and disperses it, or what is left of it.  But it would be 
> a really interesting process to watch from the inside.
> 
> And what about the value of MUM- selling the land and buildings?  Wouldn't it 
> be wild if some fundie Christian college bought the place?  Honestly, I would 
> be sad to see the place close - at least in its ideal form, the whole idea is 
> a worthy one. It is the center of the organization for TM people.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > I think there is not much money left to support all the things going on: 
> > > India brahmastan buildings, MUM, NYC's Broad Steet building, the 
> > > Maharishi schools, Vlodrop, and salaries or whatever for the top folks 
> > > all over the world.  All expensive ventures begun during different times. 
> > >  The TMO has been trying to sell the Broad St property for at least 9 
> > > months now.  Without MMY and then the economy, I suspect donations are 
> > > way way down.  And very few initiations.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> > > > On Behalf Of Buck
> > > > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:59 AM
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM only to 'Survive'
> > > >  
> > > >   
> > > > Dateline: Maharishi University of Management
> > > > 
> > > > Bevan insturcts faculty and staff that MUM is just to survive, tighten 
> > > > up &
> > > > Don't do anything new. This was the mission laid out by Bevan the other 
> > > > day
> > > > in tele conferance meeting that he called in to from somewhere.
> > > > What did he mean by this? "Survive" could have many meanings.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'

[lurkernomore20002000]

Thank you

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:43 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
>  
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of WLeed3@
> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:55 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
> > 
> > 
> > Knees are still being cut resignation of the Freshman's men's Dean of men
> > just 2 weeks ago, or so.
> > 
> > Whom I interviewed on my show. I think he was forced to resign. I hope his
> > being on my show didn't have anything to do with it.
> Like, who are we  talking about?  The first comment doesn't make any sense
> at all (at least to me), and the second comment doesn't clarify anything
> either.
> John Speer. http://batgap.com/john-speer/
> A friend just told me that his having been on my show was "the last straw",
> so they asked him to resign. I guess he was too open-minded.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of wle...@...
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:55 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
>
>
> Knees are still being cut resignation of the Freshman's men's Dean of
men
> just 2 weeks ago, or so.
>
> Whom I interviewed on my show. I think he was forced to resign. I hope
his
> being on my show didn't have anything to do with it.


Like, who are we  talking about?  The first comment doesn't make any
sense at all (at least to me), and the second comment doesn't clarify
anything either.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
 
> Hm, did Girish empty the accounts?
> I was hoping that with MMY gone (and no longer available to blackmail?), he
> wouldn't be able to do that anymore.
>
Rick would you care to elaborate rather than just post innuendo.  What did 
Girish have on him?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cat Woman

[lurkernomore20002000]

Edg, I think part of the problem may be that you have been spending too much 
time at Buddha at the Park.  Rick does not tolerate personal attacks there, and 
maybe that restraint has just exploded onto the surface here.  Just a theory.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Heh heh!  Glad to see you've read the screed.  Dwell on it you fucking fake!  
> It makes my day to see your mask of braggadocio ripped off by your own 
> petard's blast.  Not my best personality dynamic, but better that I'm 
> scouring creeps than, say, if I was trolling sidewalk cafes looking for my 
> next STD.
> 
> And, as triggered as I am, as emotional as I am, better to be me on the right 
> side, the human side of the immigration issue, and, hey, I make lemonade out 
> of my roiling by letting my creativity have at these evil pricks.  
> 
> Oh, yeah, it's masturbatory, but when I come up with stuff like "Did they 
> have large and obvious growths emerging from their brains?," I have a 
> diss-ogasm, and that's a fun way to have a roll in the meme-hay.  Otherwise, 
> these black-hole-souled fucks just keep posting their shit here and then we 
> all come off as collaborators because we don't at least complain or try 
> half-assedly to counter their lies.
> 
> Edg
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > Edg is on the rag again.  :-)
> > 
> > Chalk this one up as a big win for WLeed3, who pushed
> > Edg's buttons big-time, so much so that now he can't 
> > get them unpushed. Or is that unpussed?  :-)
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> > >
> > > Turq -- Leopards?  Leopards?
> > > 
> > > How could anyone anywhere in the Western World not know the 
> > > difference between a leopard and a cheetah?  
> > > 
> > > This seems to go to the concept that you're a world-class 
> > > bullshitter -- here you are water torturing us with an incessant 
> > > bragging about your vast array of experiences, your endless 
> > > knowledge of entertainment's many modes, your famous-name 
> > > encounters, and now, what?  WHAT?  I'm shocked that you are 
> > > coming up so strikingly uneducated, so bereft of common knowledge. 
> > >  -- A five year old knows the difference.
> > > 
> > > To be this out of it can only mean that you're a complete boob 
> > > about almost any "nature topic," because this big-cats 
> > > knowledge-set has been worked to death by Disney and every cable 
> > > science series.  Ever read any history about the Egyptians?  
> > > Hell, you can find this knowledge being blended into cooking 
> > > shows and quilting circles!  
> > > 
> > > Sucks to be you -- pants on the ground, dude!
> > > 
> > > Edg
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WwacQQChaE&feature=related
> > > > 
> > > > Great find. That is some kick-ass pussy.
> > > > 
> > > > The leopards are neat, too.
> > > > 
> > > > :-)
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Proud to be an American WOW some humor on this subject

[lurkernomore20002000]

I really don't have a problem with many of these sentiments.  What I can't 
figure out is why so much of the supposed blame distills down to Barack Obama.  
George Bush got us into two massively expensive wars costing a over a trillion 
dollars in present or future costs.  And what have we gotten for it?  And it is 
Barack Obama who is destroying the country?  And it seems to me that Barack 
Obama is far more successful prosecuting these wars, maybe because he is 
letting the military people run them, than the arm chair general Dick Cheney.  
Did Dick Cheney spend any time, or have any interest in domestic issues?  I 
don't think his agenda included anything that wasn't war or national security 
related.  And when I say national security related, I mean government intrusion 
into people's rights.  But somehow it is Barack Obama who is destroying the 
country?  I don't think so.

And those are my talking points for today.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wle...@... wrote:
>
> HA! HA! HO!
>  
>   
> 
>  From: jestfrie...@...
> To: wle...@...
> Sent: 4/23/2010 10:05:35  P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
> Subj: Fwd: Proud to be an American
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
>  From: oceanbrezz...@...
> To: ranma...@..., rrock55...@...,  ronaldsgif...@..., 
> jmello...@..., e_fo...@...,  mommyfr...@..., seximu...@..., 
> borges...@...,  amejest...@..., kan...@..., 
> s.roxie...@...,  cozi1...@..., paublo...@..., misskarik...@...,  
> mrscrystaldu...@..., jestfrie...@...,  sleepywoodstock2...@...
> Sent: 4/19/2010 4:10:44 P.M. Eastern  Daylight Time
> Subj: Fwd: Proud to be an American
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From:  frazz...@...
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 19:55:47 EDT
> Subject: Fwd:  Proud to be an American
> To: alleykic...@..., oceanbrezz...@...,  elp...@..., 
> mrs...@...,
> hmeinh...@...,  nana19591...@..., bobbyjoe7...@...,
> wysiwy...@..., heidi0...@..., onecen...@...,
> wsarg32...@...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From:  luvmyd0...@...
> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 18:48:31 EDT
> Subject: Fwd:  Proud to be an American
> To: bbweinb...@..., collist...@...,  jlane...@...,
> lake...@...,  chele...@..., mdisim...@...,
> rj...@...,  captski...@..., frazz...@...,
> tbloom2...@...,  smucki...@...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
>  From: lsauls7...@...
> To: cruisj...@..., cba1...@...,  cbb1...@..., 
> luvmyd0...@..., mahoney...@...
> Sent:  4/9/2010 6:18:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
> Subj: Proud to be an  American
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> Date: Fri, 9  Apr 2010 12:51:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Colleen Newsom  
> Subject: Fw: Proud to be an  American
> To: Jeffery Cechovic  ,
> Mike DAmato  , stephen plump  ,
> Steve ,  Sharise Swan 
> ,
> Bob and  Denise ,
> "barbandtu...@..."  ,
> Linda Sauls  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This  guy had the guts to put this on the internet.Have  the guts to 
> forward it!   
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> MY  NAME IS WALT TURSKE FROM CLEVELAND, OHIO
> 
> YES,  I'M A BAD AMERICAN
> 
> I Am  the Liberal-Progressive's Worst Nightmare
> 
> I am an  American.
> 
> I am a Master Mason and believe in  God.
> 
> I ride Harley Davidson Motorcycles, and believe in  American products.
> 
> I believe the money I make belongs to me  and my family, not some liberal 
> governmental functionary, Democratic or  Republican!
> 
> I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it  that way!
> 
> I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer;  it makes you a smart 
> American.
> 
> I think being a minority  does not make you noble or victimized, and does 
> not entitle you to  anything. Get over it!
> 
> I believe that if you are selling me  a Big Mac, you should do it in 
> English.
> 
> I believe everyone  has a right to pray to his or her God when and where 
> they want  to.
> 
> My  heroes are John Wayne, Babe Ruth, Roy Rogers, and Willie G.  
> Davidson,who makes the awesome Harley Davidson  Motorcycles.
> 
> I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the  poor.
> 
> I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time  watching or arguing 
> about it.
> 
> I've never owned a slave, or  was a slave. I haven't burned any witches or 
> been persecuted by the  Turks, and neither have you!
> 
> I believe if you don't like  the way things are here, go back to where you 
> came from and change your  own country!
> 
> This is AMERICA...We  like it the way it is!
> 
> If  you were born here and don't like ityou are free to move to any  
> Socialist country that will have you.  (And take Barak Obama with  you.)  
> Massachusetts started the ball rolling.  Keep it  going.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Let's  really clean house starting with the White House.   The seat  of our 
> biggest problems.
> 
> I  want to know which church is it, exactly, where the Reverend Jesse  

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Dateline: Maharishi University of Management
>
> Bevan insturcts faculty and staff that MUM is just to survive, tighten
up & Don't do anything new. This was the mission laid out by Bevan the
other day in tele conferance meeting that he called in to from
somewhere.  After which he and Raja Raam Raji Ram retire to the
Pattisserie to enjoy another bon bon and cup of expresso, maybe with a
pet poodle prancing about
>
> >
> > Drive out Fear.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah these are nice changes but they will probably depend more on
how much of Bevan's 'administration through fear' is still around
anymore inside the Tmorg. Last time Keith Wallace did this out of
goodwill in a concerted way Bevan came in behind him cutting everyone
off at the knees.
> > >
> >
> >
> > "Do not take counsel of your fears."
> >
> > "Although this might seem like a repeat of the "do not fear failure"
maxim,
> > it's vastly different in meaning and context. ...
> >
> > In the business community, it's fundamentally imperative that
management not run a business based on fear and intimidation. In many
cases, when employees are fearful of retribution by management, they
refuse to ask questions or offer suggestions. Very often they continue
to do their job incorrectly instead of asking for help and they won't
tell management when problems arise for fear of being blamed. Employees
must feel secure in their jobs before they can be outspoken about
problems. They should be part of the process, not afraid of the process.
Refer to Deming's point 8, Drive out Fear."
> >
> >
> > -Tactical Leadership Skills for Business Managers, Charles Province
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: THE BEST ITALIAN PEPSI COMMERCIAL.

[lurkernomore20002000]

That's good Bill.  BTW, everyone is getting a real kick out of the elections 
there.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wle...@... wrote:
>
> 
> 
>  
>   
> 
>  From: wle...@...
> To: janik...@..., carlnch...@...,  richl...@..., 
> carolynleed...@..., carolyn_l...@...,  rle...@..., 
> swey...@..., robinl...@...,  theresa.l...@..., c...@..., 
> lee...@...,  gehma...@..., emsin...@..., maryann.ho...@...,  
> caroldickw...@..., kkchan...@...
> Sent: 4/28/2010 4:27:09 P.M.  Eastern Daylight Time
> Subj: Fwd: THE BEST ITALIAN PEPSI  COMMERCIAL.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
>  From: wle...@...
> To: rbpep...@...,  latinus17_latinu...@..., 
> dorothea...@...,  grandm...@..., sat...@..., tin...@...,  
> olaflo...@..., l...@..., mlt7...@...,  
> sar...@..., eagan1...@..., karenhmc...@...,  
> laura.hebe...@..., tom.hebe...@..., rf2...@...,  rfl...@..., 
> iachan...@..., rdun...@...,  bills...@..., 
> janik...@..., primitivo_afr...@...,  neon4caro...@..., 
> hermanrodenb...@..., pau...@...,  days.of.lea...@..., 
> dakkon.black.bla...@...,  dennis...@..., mousumide...@..., 
> hgupt...@...,  sandy@..., lawrencesmi...@..., 
> jlsmit...@...,  donlo...@..., bl...@..., stevel...@...,  
> l...@..., eb7...@..., dgrodj...@...
> Sent:  4/28/2010 4:23:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
> Subj: Fwd: THE BEST ITALIAN  PEPSI COMMERCIAL.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
>  ,From: humorl...@...
> To: hu...@...
> Sent:  4/28/2010 3:06:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
> Subj: THE BEST ITALIAN  PEPSI COMMERCIAL.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How fast can we change?

[lurkernomore20002000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSpRpOrVEiA


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Comment I made to a friend. Might stimulate discussion here:
>  
>  We're in the midst of the most fundamental transformation in recorded human
> history. The pace of change is accelerating faster than we realize. Many
> societal, economic, and technological systems which most consider rock-solid
> are already crumbling and will eventually die out, to be replaced by other
> systems which are already emerging. The trick is to balance the collapse of
> the old with the emergence of the new in such a way as to minimize
> disruption and chaos. We're not going back to 19th century technologies,
> we're moving ahead to entirely new ones. The evolutionary force is
> quickening.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How fast can we change?

[lurkernomore20002000]

Groovy man.  We're back to the beat generation.  Coffee shops, and now even pot 
houses.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Comment I made to a friend. Might stimulate discussion here:
>  
>  We're in the midst of the most fundamental transformation in recorded human
> history. The pace of change is accelerating faster than we realize. Many
> societal, economic, and technological systems which most consider rock-solid
> are already crumbling and will eventually die out, to be replaced by other
> systems which are already emerging. The trick is to balance the collapse of
> the old with the emergence of the new in such a way as to minimize
> disruption and chaos. We're not going back to 19th century technologies,
> we're moving ahead to entirely new ones. The evolutionary force is
> quickening.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Event

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:28 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Event
>
>
> Fine. And how did the interview with Igal Harmelin, aka Igal Moria go
? Does
> he claim to be enlightened or awaken now ?
> No, he's pretty modest. No, I'm sure he just shouted shouted about his
"enlightenment".  That's the deal with these interviews.  The little
that I watched, it is pretty low key.  Ex:  "Yes, I feel more balanced".
"Yes, the ups and downs don't disturb me as much".  "Yes, I feel more
inner freedom"  I'm gonna guess that they play out along these lines.
Butmaybe I'm mistaken   Have to edit the audio to balance levels,
then I'll
> upload and let you know.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Google -- the curtain from The Wizard Of Oz

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:

> Whatever happened to casual conversation?  We seem to be in an age of 
> "exactitude" where everybody so concerned that they may be wrong about 
> something they spend time looking stuff up on Google before they post.  
> Imagine if we were trying to have a conversation around a table in 
> restaurant or bar this way.  Everyone would be jumping on their laptop, 
> tablet or smartphone before they said a word.
>
I'm not sure Judy does casual convesations.  And you can always count of Turq 
to do something to incite some challenge if he feels you are making an iota of 
judgement.  So, I think it's pretty difficult to weave through these little 
minefields.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Event

[lurkernomore20002000]

Oh, Crikey.  I take it back. Igal Harmon.  Yea, he is going to shout it.  Love 
him like a brother.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:05 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Event
>  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> 
> [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  ]
> > On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:28 AM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Event
> > 
> > 
> > Fine. And how did the interview with Igal Harmelin, aka Igal Moria go ?
> Does
> > he claim to be enlightened or awaken now ?
> > No, he's pretty modest. 
> 
> Igal modest ? 
> Well, relatively speaking.
> And why did you want to interview him in the first place ?
> He wanted to be interviewed.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Event

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> All kidding aside, he certainly strikes me as having a high degree of
> awakening. He's all there when you shake his hand and look into his
eyes.
> He's not just going through the motions. We felt we were in the
presence of
> a great soul. He seems so blissful and "above" the fray. My impression
of
> the man is that he's naturally grounded in a deep wellspring of
potential
> and that he'll continue to blossom and "feel exhilarated" (his words)
by the
> world's most demanding job, rather than be overwhelmed by it, as so
many
> presidents have been.
>

Rory, Rory, get over here.  Someone is honing in on your territory.  I
know he is your friend.  But this is and was your franchise. Protect it.
Calling all Rories!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dr Steven Greer responds to Stephen Hawking's 'Aliens are Dangerous'

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
>
>
> It is unfortunate that Stephen Hawking has added his voice to a
growing chorus of xenophobia and fear regarding what he terms "Aliens."
>
> Secondly, as a scientist, he should know better: Any interstellar
civilization would possess such technologies that the meager resources
of Earth would be unneeded. If you can travel faster than the speed of
light, you can manifest what is needed. Period. Sounds like you've got
it all figured out.  No uncertainties for you.  That's neat, to be at
that level. Moreover, IF they were hostile- since ETs are already
visiting Earth (see www.DisclosureProject.org)- this would have been
made crystal clear when we detonated the first atomic weapon in 1945. To
date, no place on Earth has been invaded or attacked or colonized.
>
> Hawking should refrain from stirring the war-mongering fear pot that
attends all things "alien."
>
> And one might ask: Why would he make such statements, unless he is
carrying water for the military-industrial-financial complex which
profiteers off of the wars that fear breeds?
>
> Steven M. Greer MD
> April 26, 2010
> http://www.disclosureproject.org/response-to-hawking.htm
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Event

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> President Obama spoke in Ottumwa (town near FF) today. My wife and I got
> good seats and managed to shake his hand at the end. I said to him "We love
> you. Don't let the turkeys get you down." He laughed and replied, "There are
> lots of them out there. They keep on gobbling."
 
Oh, you are so inside the inner circle, to share the inside joke with the 
President.  I like him too, but I don't idolize him.  Sounds like you idolize 
him.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[lurkernomore20002000]

ok


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
>
> Are you serious Lurk? Why don't I just say it? How about the feelings
of the person involved? There are several here who know what and who I
am talking about. If I told you, you would be extremely unhappy about
both the events and the fact that I had "outed" the person against her
wishes. Sono it stops here for now.
>
> Read Judith Bourke's book when it comes out. Also, I highly recommend
reading Nancy Cook de Herrera's book which I just did again for the
first time in several years. It really captures first hand what it was
like to be a part of the growth of the movement in the early 60s and
what it was like to be in on the great "phase transition"...the good and
the bad...in the mid 70s.
>
> Read. Learn.
> -
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
steve.sundur@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > This topic really agitates you doesn't it Tex? As I've said, I
> > understand. I was agitated when I first heard about it myself way
back
> > when. However, I didn't put up a steel door and refuse to consider
> > information coming from several sources, Joe, I for one don't care
if he
> > had sexual relations or not. I am not unnerved by it, but ...one of
> > whom would really fry your brain if you knew. this type of
innuendo
> > is a little weak (Out of respect for her privacy, she will remain
> > anonymous until she chooses to say something on her own.)
> > >
> > > By the way, your "guesses' below are lousy. If you've got
something
> > to say, why don't you just say it, instead of saying, "if you only
knew,
> > if you only knew". Well if you know, tell us! And if you are not
going
> > to tell us, then maybe get off the high horse a little, as the
"silent
> > authority" on the matter.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" willytex@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Maybe nobody ever 'caught' him doing anything like
> > > > > > that.
> > > > Joe:
> > > > > Tex, it doesn't make sense to you for the simple
> > > > > reason that you do not want it to make sense. You
> > > > > don't want this to compute since you would short
> > > > > circuit if you allowed yourself to allow this as
> > > > > a possibility.
> > > > >
> > > > So, Joe, how many minutes did you spend in his direct
> > > > company alone, in his room? Zero. In fact, I've seen
> > > > no evidence that you were ever in a room with the guy
> > > > at all, much less being a skin-boy, door stop. My
> > > > guess is that you've never been within a thousand
> > > > feet of the guy, if that. So, your comment makes no
> > > > sense.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
>
> This topic really agitates you doesn't it Tex? As I've said, I
understand. I was agitated when I first heard about it myself way back
when. However, I didn't put up a steel door and refuse to consider
information coming from several sources, Joe, I for one don't care if he
had sexual relations or not.  I am not unnerved by it, but ...one of
whom would really fry your brain if you knew. this type of innuendo
is a little weak (Out of respect for her privacy, she will remain
anonymous until she chooses to say something on her own.)
>
> By the way, your "guesses' below are lousy.  If you've got something
to say, why don't you just say it, instead of saying, "if you only knew,
if you only knew".  Well if you know, tell us!  And if you are not going
to tell us, then maybe get off the high horse a little, as the "silent
authority" on the matter.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" willytex@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Maybe nobody ever 'caught' him doing anything like
> > > > that.
> > Joe:
> > > Tex, it doesn't make sense to you for the simple
> > > reason that you do not want it to make sense. You
> > > don't want this to compute since you would short
> > > circuit if you allowed yourself to allow this as
> > > a possibility.
> > >
> > So, Joe, how many minutes did you spend in his direct
> > company alone, in his room? Zero. In fact, I've seen
> > no evidence that you were ever in a room with the guy
> > at all, much less being a skin-boy, door stop. My
> > guess is that you've never been within a thousand
> > feet of the guy, if that. So, your comment makes no
> > sense.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
>
> Who is to say he didn't father someone? I don't know that he did, I'm
just asking since you present this as if it's some kind of proof that
these things did not happen.  I figured this would hit a nerve.  To me
it's a logical question.  To  you, it's an indication that I believe it
didn't  happen.  I am just trying to reconcile the various accounts. 
Maybe he has a love child some where.  At some point it usually gets
revealed. i.e Jesse Helms.  Could it possibly be Tony Nader?  He's
probably about 10 years too old.  Would have to be someone who is about
35-40, I would guess.
>
> They happened.  Did you witness it first hand?  And if so, what's your
story?
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
steve.sundur@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > "I was a virgin and knew nothing about sex," said 34-year-old Mrs
> > Pearce. "He said he loved me and that I was the only one. 'You make
my
> > life so good,' he told me. "When I asked about his celibacy he said:
> > 'There are exceptions to every rule.' He was a brilliant
manipulator. I
> > just couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love
regularly.
> > And I don't think I was the only girl. At one stage I thought I was
> > pregnant by him."
> >
> >
> > I have said previously that it really makes no difference to me one
way
> > or the other about his sexual escapades. But if he was sexually
active
> > for fifteen years or so, and had these women under his spell, and
> > therefore probably got sex whenever, wherever he wanted, how do you
not
> > get someone pregnant during this time? And I don't hear about anyone
> > getting an abortion
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> Maybe the women, or most of them, used birth control, and
> it was just luck with those who didn't? Maybe he was careful
> to pull out? (Not very dependable, but it reduces the
> chances.) Or maybe there were abortions that were kept really
> quiet.

Well, he sure didn't get high marks as a lover from those with whom he was said 
to be having affairs. But maybe he was more sophisticated lover than he is 
being portrayed.  I admit the whole notion of M being a lover strikes me as 
funny.  

On the one hand, he he said to be a real bungler in bed.  On the other hand he 
said to be a sly manipulator who is able to get what he wants sexually from 
these women.  

The two just seems at odds with one another. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[lurkernomore20002000]

  "I was a virgin and knew nothing about sex," said 34-year-old Mrs
Pearce. "He said he loved me and that I was the only one. 'You make my
life so good,' he told me. "When I asked about his celibacy he said:
'There are exceptions to every rule.' He was a brilliant manipulator. I
just couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly.
And I don't think I was the only girl. At one stage I thought I was
pregnant by him."


I have said previously that it really makes no difference to me one way
or the other about his sexual escapades.   But if he was sexually active
for fifteen years or so, and had these women under his spell, and
therefore probably got sex whenever, wherever he wanted,  how do you not
get someone pregnant during this time?  And I don't hear about anyone
getting an abortion

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[lurkernomore20002000]

That is funny.  Thanks for sharing that.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail  wrote:
>
> Field of all possibilities
>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yZFbzaWbg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____
> From: lurkernomore20002000 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 26 April, 2010 7:57:08 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!
> 
>   
> "WillyTex"  wrote:
> 
> > So, why would a guy like the Maharishi, who could
> > have women at any time since 1956, who had been 
> > celibate for sixty years, go off on a orgy of sex 
> > with young women for one year, and then not engage in
> > sexual relations for the next fifty years? 
> 
> I'm not sure if I get the time table, but I think it is a good point.  I 
> guess we would have to assume that he had a period of sexual activity, and 
> then turned that expression off?  I don't believe it usually works that way, 
> but I guess it could. If it did play out that way, then I guess you have to 
> say, either he was experiementing, or that he realized that this could damage 
> or destroy the franchise, or not sure what else it could be. Any other 
> possibilities?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[lurkernomore20002000]

"WillyTex"  wrote:

> So, why would a guy like the Maharishi, who could
> have women at any time since 1956, who had been 
> celibate for sixty years, go off on a orgy of sex 
> with young women for one year, and then not engage in
> sexual relations for the next fifty years? 

I'm not sure if I get the time table, but I think it is a good point.  I guess 
we would have to assume that he had a period of sexual activity, and then 
turned that expression off?  I don't believe it usually works that way, but I 
guess it could. If it did play out that way, then I guess you have to say, 
either he was experiementing, or that he realized that this could damage or 
destroy the franchise, or not sure what else it could be. Any other 
possibilities? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Four Spiritual Healing events 3 free + 1 donation

[lurkernomore20002000]

This reminds me of Yawkey Way outside Fenway Park when I was there last year 
during the summer.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anatol_zinc"  wrote:
>
> 
> Four Spiritual Healing events 3 free + 1 donation
> 
> Something is in the air! Right now !
> 
> 
> 
> For Amma devotees, please note I'm not posting these to distract you
> from Amma; but perhaps you can be inspired to have more faith in Amma,
> in yourSelf and God when you see how many are being inspired by the
> One-Spirit-Self which we all are; thanks for understanding and happy
> healing !
> 
> 
> 
> If we had enough faith in Amma, or ourSelf, or God we would not need
> anything else; Amma says we should see God in everyone, in everything as
> She sees God in all of us.
> 
> 
> 
> 1)FREE ~ Braco the silent healer visits Los Angeles for 3 days
> of Gazing sessions, April 23-25  http://www.braco.net/?p=348
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2)FREE Distant Healing Session April 25th  read and start the
> healing process  now with your intention ; please note; you do not have
> to join anything, subscribe to anything or pay anything for this; for
> info and instructions  http://qigongenergyhealing.blogspot.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 3)DONATION ~ Vedic Society in India; You can donate( as much or
> as little you can afford)  online and complete a form where you may
> specify any particular purpose or need so that this may be incorporated
> into the intention of the Yagya for relief of your problem or condition.
> http://vedicsociety.org/donate/  ;
> 
> 
> 
> Some info: Number of pundits performing: 18 pundits plus 22 helpers
> 
> Duration: 5 days
> 
> Vedas chanted: Sama, Rig, Yajur and Atharva (all 4 Vedas)
> 
> Date: 24th April - 29th April 2010
> 
> 
> 
> 4)FREE ~ Dr Parameswaran MD  from India
> http://worldcosmicfoundation.org/success.php
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Amma Bless All,
> 
> amarnath
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi

[lurkernomore20002000]

He found a seam of gold.  I'm sure he can find more and more reasons to keep 
coming back.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Was another large meeting with Mr. Trivedi tonite(Weds).
> Spoke about culture, spiritual phenomena, discernment and science.
> Q & A.
> Gave a blessing too.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[lurkernomore20002000]

Oh this is precious:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
>
> yifuxero
>
> I didn't chicken out; I saw that I would get nowhere and saved myself
the shame of trying to get an old dog to admit to his tricks knowing
full well that that simply wouldn't happen. Oh this is precious.  This
is what is called in the business, being 'yeller"
You issued a challenge. The challenge was met.  Now, YOU are being the
courageous one by backing down?  Edg, please, please don't insult us to
this extent.


> Do you actually want me to call him and have at him with the dark vibe
he deserves for being a part of such a low integrity organization and
his continuing support of it? I will, but you'll warn him to not pick up
the phone, right? He could've answered me"doesn't do email" -- what
a fucking lame assed excuse. Edg, you are just ramping up the name
calling to try to throw us off the trail.  Ain't gonna work.  You issued
a challenge along certain lines.  It was met.  You, YOU were the one who
couldn't be stand up enough to follow through.
>
> It's not my job to prove him wrong, but it sure is his job to prove
himself a person of integrity by at least admitting that the issues that
he's so ignored for 30 fucking years actually matter and should be
handled. This isn't about appeasing me, it's about answering to whole
generations of the faithful about the vile shit the movement has hidden
at any cost from us.  Edg, we can take care of ourselves.  We don't need
Uncle Edg as our self appointed protector.  Just own up to your own
committments.  That's a great start.
>
> And, and, and now only now he's coming back at us? Fuck that shit! 
Poor Edg. Just coming apart at the seams, cause someones calling him on
his bluster.
>
> Give him a crown and a robe and let him join the power mongers openly
instead of letting himself be schlepped around by the movement in some
desperate and obvious ploy to re-ignite a market they killed long long
ago.
>
> By resorting to the using of a favorite puppet of Maharishi they've
found at the back of the closet and dusted off for us, what more proof
do we need of the cynical approach the TMO is taking to their tottering
and shaky about-to-be-most-sincerely-dead movement?
>
> I'm fucking pissed -- I had a wonderful movement, and a wonderful
guru, and it was all a sham for money and I was a complete fool. Pissed
at myself, firstly, yes, but only a titch less pissed at the TMO and
Jerry too.
>
> Let's see Jerry start his lectures with explaining all the hijinks and
the actual cash flows to Girish and how he can turn a blind eye to the
immorality of B and H as they maraud the marriages.  Edg you will always
raise the bar of what amends need to be made.  Just make some kind of
peace with yourself.
>
> And you, yifuxero, explain yourself for why you're trying to protect
this old codger. Doesn't seem like the 5 - 8 years concepts fulfilled
itself for you, or are you able to hover and I missed that somehow?
>
> And who the fuck lives in St. Paul that he has to go up there instead
of the ONE PLACE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD WHERE HE'S GOT A BUILT-IN AUDIENCE?
Even Charlie did lectures in Iowa City. Seems either stupid or cowardly
and probably is both.
>
> Same deal with Mother Divine and Purusha not being in FF -- it's
fucking classism and a lording over the faithful to snub the one town
that made their lifestyle possible.
>
> Edg
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" yifuxero@ wrote:
> >
> > rightbut he rarely answers by mail. (re: the letter you sent to
him). He offered you to call him on the phone but you chickened out. But
don't get me wrong, that's not a criticism of you. He can be a fast
talker, very persuasive but duped by some of the TM-related fantasies;
and tends to comandeer the conversation. Then, coupled with a huge
amount of Shakti, the chance that the type of dynamic and (sometimes)
constructive dialog that takes place on this Forum will occur is
unlikely.
> > However, such pov's are consistent with the latest research into
what people think may or should be reasonable arguments. The fact is,
established pov's backed by emotional investments will almost always
trump pure reason.
> > As a typical example, try "reasoning" with a Mormon TB.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> > >
> > > Rick,
> > >
> > > Times may be achanging, but remember that Jerry never answered the
questions I sent to him. These guys'll use ya, but they're not going to
be guided by you, methinks. Those with power are like those with money
-- they think they and only they are the proper custodians of their
"stuff."
> > >
> > > Lately I think of the movement like I think about the marijuana
debate. TM shouldn't be regulated so that higher-ups can still have
their positions of power. TM, as if, should be "decriminalized -- not
legalized."
> > >
> > > Tell "dem bums" to free up the whole thing. Let anyone into the
domes, let L.B. talk on campus, let protesto

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN > May 1!

[lurkernomore20002000]

Edg, as I recall it, it was you who bailed out.  As I recall, you made one of 
your many grandiose declarations, and when someone met the challenge you 
bailed.  Kind of like you did when you were going to sue Shemp because he said 
something you didn't like.  Kind of like, (if I recall correctly) when, you 
declared, in a boastful tone to the group, that you had just deposed someone in 
a court case to the tune of $5,000.00 (cost to you) just becacuse you could.  
Care to provide any documentation of that claim?  And then there is the famous 
Oral Roberts act, where you were going to "call yourself home" if ten people 
didn't vouch for your worthliness to the group.  They did, and you bailed 
anyway.  And maybe again, I've got it wrong, but I believe you have said that 
you give yourself license to do these things, for the betterment of the group 
in stretching their boundries.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Rick,
> 
> Times may be achanging, but remember that Jerry never answered the questions 
> I sent to him.  These guys'll use ya, but they're not going to be guided by 
> you, methinks. Those with power are like those with money -- they think they 
> and only they are the proper custodians of their "stuff."  
> 
> Lately I think of the movement like I think about the marijuana debate.  TM 
> shouldn't be regulated so that higher-ups can still have their positions of 
> power.  TM, as if, should be "decriminalized -- not legalized."
> 
> Tell "dem bums" to free up the whole thing.  Let anyone into the domes, let 
> L.B. talk on campus, let protestors march, etc.
> 
> But most of all, stop pretending that TM was/is "proved" or "scientific" or 
> "guaranteed to produce enlightenment."  These "pretty much 100% incorrect" 
> assertions are the reason 99.99% of all of us stopped TM or at least stopped 
> thinking the movement had leaders with any integrity.
> 
> And, Rick, rub their noses in that latest book about Maharishi's sex life -- 
> there's a litmus test of sorts.  If they're still willing to use any form of 
> coercion on you to change the subject of the conversation or be haughty and 
> pissed, then there's your tell.  
> 
> Then ask about their own private lives and how obviously that modeling is 
> odious and deserves to be addressed in public.  If morality is not improved 
> by TM -- obviously it isn't -- then they should be willing to say that in 
> public and admit that they are not paragons of any virtue gained by using TM. 
>  
> 
> And say something like this:  "Mr. Gorbachev tear down this course office."
> 
> Edg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > I have a letter percolating in the back of my brain which I would send to
> > Jerry, Bobby Roth, Keith Wallace, and John Hagelin, addressing ways in which
> > the movement might be transformed and resuscitated, if conservative forces
> > within it would allow. If I write it, I'll post it here and we can all hash
> > it out together before I send it.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano

[lurkernomore20002000]

That's really neat.  Although I could look it up, can you tell us again, what 
keeps the earth's core continually hot, as in, why hasn't it cooled down 
already?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Too lazy to look it up, but I did read that Katla is able to be almost a 
> world killer -- but that was about almost killing all life on Earth -- the 
> lesser damage of "killing humanity due to mass starvation" is a much more 
> possible result out of a Katla event.
> 
> Here's a concept that most folks really don't have a handle on:  the thinness 
> of the Earth's crust.
> 
> How thin?  Well the Earth's diameter is about 8,000 miles, and the crust is 
> at most 50 miles thick and under the oceans it's only about five to ten miles 
> thick.  About a third of one percent of the diameter of the Earth.
> 
> Sounds like a lot of rock between us and the hot interior, right?
> 
> Well it is -- we're not boiling, right?, but though rock has great insulating 
> properties, the crust's thinness is very very much thinner than you might 
> expect -- relatively speaking, and it is this I wish to underline -- with a 
> metaphor that packs a punch for me.
> 
> Consider this:  if the Earth were the size of a billiard ball, if one touches 
> the ball where there is ocean, it would feel only "barely moist to the 
> touch."  And if you breathed upon it -- fogged it as if to clean your 
> eyeglasses -- then that layer of water you've put upon the ball would be one 
> of Earth's deepest oceans. 
> 
> See?  
> 
> The oceans are about five miles deep, and so is the crust under the 
> oceansthat's about 1/1000th of the Earth's diameter.
> 
> The crust is thinner than an egg shell and the inside of the egg is up to 
> about 10,000 F degreeshotter than the surface of the sun.
> 
> There's your protection that volcanoes so easily pierce.  
> 
> Feeling a bit more at risk?  My job is done here.
> 
> Edg
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> > >
> > > That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has
> > > blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be
> > > a world crushing event.
> > 
> > The volcano that was incorrectly reported to have erupted
> > was Hekla. The big mofo is Katla. It blows about twice a
> > century, so I guess the world must have been crushed on a
> > pretty regular basis.
> > 
> > > That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears
> > > about 2012 into a very real religion
> > 
> > Not. It's unlikely to be a big threat anywhere but in
> > Iceland. If it spews a lot of ash and the wind is right,
> > that could be a problem elsewhere, but not a "world-
> > crushing" one.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest?  
> > > 
> > > Edg
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting.  So 
> > > > it 
> > > > would not be unusual at all for it to start up.  Living around volcanos 
> > > > one learns a bit about them.  They could be doing damage control too as 
> > > > not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage 
> > > > control may no longer be possible.
> > > > 
> > > > authfriend wrote:
> > > > > >From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site:
> > > > >
> > > > > "A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly
> > > > > caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized."
> > > > >
> > > > > Not sure who/what "minimized" its impact. But there's
> > > > > nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks
> > > > > like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.)
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false
> > > > > alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting
> > > > > discussion of various points):
> > > > >
> > > > > http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php
> > > > >
> > > > > http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c
> > > > >
> > > > > A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus:
> > > > >
> > > > > "I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english
> > > > > about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports
> > > > > are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla
> > > > > volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows
> > > > > no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start
> > > > > erupting soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > "When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of
> > > > > earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently
> > > > > there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano."
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's a Hekla volcanocam:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.ruv.is/hekla
> > > > >
> > > > > BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about h

[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Duveyoung
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:13 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
>  
>   
> That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew
> we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. That's
> probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very
> real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest?
> I nominate Nabby.
>

Maybe Edg can do a version of his, "get ten people" to vouch for him sort of 
thing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano

[lurkernomore20002000]

I kind of hope this thing doesn't peter out for your sake Edg.  You seem to 
thrive on this sort of thing.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew 
> we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event.  That's 
> probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very 
> real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest?  
> 
> Edg
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting.  So it 
> > would not be unusual at all for it to start up.  Living around volcanos 
> > one learns a bit about them.  They could be doing damage control too as 
> > not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage 
> > control may no longer be possible.
> > 
> > authfriend wrote:
> > > >From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site:
> > >
> > > "A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly
> > > caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized."
> > >
> > > Not sure who/what "minimized" its impact. But there's
> > > nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks
> > > like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least.
> > >
> > > (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.)
> > >
> > > OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false
> > > alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting
> > > discussion of various points):
> > >
> > > http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c
> > >
> > > A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus:
> > >
> > > "I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english
> > > about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports
> > > are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla
> > > volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows
> > > no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start
> > > erupting soon.
> > >
> > > "When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of
> > > earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently
> > > there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano."
> > >
> > > http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874
> > >
> > > Here's a Hekla volcanocam:
> > >
> > > http://www.ruv.is/hekla
> > >
> > > BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to
> > > pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four
> > > different audio clips:
> > >
> > > http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257
> > >
> > > VIDEO BONUS:
> > >
> > > Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing
> > > the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour:
> > >
> > > http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904&ref=mf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >   
> > >> Gaia is really pissed now as "Breaking News" on MSNBC
> > >> has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable
> > >> name Hekla, has begun erupting.  If this is the one they
> > >> are were worried on then all bets are off.
> > >> 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues

[lurkernomore20002000]

Dude, you've got more big words  here than we've heard in a long time. 
I pretty much bailed after the first sentence.  But based on what seems
to be your very dry and academic assessment, I can see where these
accounts would have been right up your alley..

-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016"
 wrote:
>
>
> For more than two weeks I have repeatedly and closely listened to the
BATGAP episodes via iTunes downloads via a portable iPod. The BATGAP
episodes are a fascinating record of the personal histories and
subjective perspectives of persons who have courage to publicly discuss
permanently established positive shifts in awareness. Here-to-fore, an
individual's declaration of a permanent shift in awareness called into
question the validity of the experience. Rick Archer and the BATGAP
interviewees promote egalitarian principles of experience and expression
of higher states of awareness. BATGAP is a vehicle for positive cultural
advancement by diminishing the influence of exploitive individuals and
hierarchical institutions that for control purposes employ excessively
exclusive principles of experience and expression by default and
discourage members' advancement.
> -Mainstream
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
steve.sundur@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> > > And the yahoo group -- I read a 20 or so posts. The posters are
way into their heads -- it would appear from their posts. Dry
expositions.
> > > While a small sample, i don't see the energy, vibrancy, life
surging from their words.
> > >
> > Hard to strike gold twice. FFL with all it's problems has some good
edg (edge) and gets into some interesting discussions. But I think
you've pretty well nailed this Buddha at the Gas Pump. And those
interviews-I've only listened to the Foster's piece, but there wasn't
much there to make me want to push on. Then again, I don't have time to
do a lot of speculative exploring.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Look on the bright side.

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13  wrote:
 Cities promote monkey mind. Little itty bitty towns have peace and bliss that 
promotes serenity.
> My opinion. 

Oh yea. This is definitely the case.  How one raises kids etc. has nothing to 
do with it.  Itty bitty towns are just magical, idyllic, paradise - almost 
entirely devoid of problems.  (?)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues

[lurkernomore20002000]

I guess you've got something about Saturday nights, Richard.  I am guessing 
that you must have sensitive about it in junior high school, and not having 
"plans" on that night.  Fortunately, Richard we are at least, chrnologically 
past that point in our lives, and we may, or may not have plans on Saturday 
night, and that's just plain, alright.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> lurker:
> > Then again, I don't have time to do 
> > a lot of speculative exploring...
> >
> Well, you seem to have had time to 
> post to FFL on Saturday night!  LOL!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues

[lurkernomore20002000]

What I can't figure out is, who would really want to talk about themselves like 
this?  It's kind of like talking about your sex life.  It's sort of personal 
thing.  Sometimes these types of experiences come up in conversations here, but 
usually as side bar, not the main dish.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> Gotta agree. I love the concept of the project, but
> I've been bored senseless by the people themselves,
> for almost exactly the reasons tartbrain puts into
> words so well below. As for the Yahoo discussion
> group, "way into their heads" is too kind. One 
> visit was enough. I can't see most "people on the
> street" viewing these interviews and seeing that
> much difference between Buddhas at the Gas Pump
> and Bubba at the Gas Pump.
> 
> That said, I look forward to other interviews, in
> the hope that one or more of them will stand out.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> >
> > I started to watch the 4 videos on you tube -- an then sampled the audios 
> > on the blog -- listening to segments of about 10 contributors. While all 
> > nice people, there was not much compelling material in the hour of so I 
> > listened. Certainly there could be great gems hidden in the material I 
> > passed over. But I got bored with most. 
> > 
> > Perhaps an unfair parallel, but the energy, tone, insights, vibrancy, love 
> > for the universe, cascading love for others was not there. It was as if I 
> > could have been listening to a show on people who found Jesus. They may 
> > have had and are having a transformational experience. But its not apparent 
> > how it has really affected their lives in deep and profound ways.  I came 
> > away thinking, I wouldn't spend much time on what ever they are doing -- 
> > the value is not manifesting in their lives. Similar to my impressions of 
> > those testifying for Jesus. 
> > 
> > They may be having profound experiences -- being he center of the universe 
> > and all. These experiences may actually be real -- though there is a large 
> > distance  in establishing that -- for themselves and for any listeners. Not 
> > that they have to prove anything. But I have friends who experienced the 
> > same with psychedelics -- center of the universe, egoless states and all. I 
> > am not sure that was real, not sure that it wasn't. But they did not do 
> > much with the experience. It may have shifted them in good ways. The 
> > experienced of egolessness is profound and can be lasting. But it was not 
> > transformational in the sense of some blazing persons I know or have been 
> > with.
> > 
> > But these Pump people, have little of the -- and this is hard to articulate 
> > -- vibrancy of life, humor, quickness of mind, flowing insights, shakti, 
> > glow, spontenaity that others I know, have seen, have. For the latter, I am 
> >  inspired by them to obtain what they have. From the Pump people, I have no 
> > aspiration to obtain what they have -- from what I have heard thus far.
> > 
> > And these things I listed are outer things, perhaps superficial, and 
> > meaningless with regards to inner states. however, I know the THING -- it 
> > may be weak and transitory -- but I think we all know the clarity, energy, 
> > clearness that can come from that THING. and I have seen the THING ripely 
> > manifest in others. And I don't see it much in these people. 
> > 
> > And the yahoo group -- I read a 20 or so posts. The posters are way into 
> > their heads -- it would appear from their posts. Dry expositions. 
> > While a small sample, i don't see the energy, vibrancy, life surging from 
> > their words.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Volcanic ash keeps flights across Europe grounded.....

[lurkernomore20002000]

Yea, I understand the sentiment.  Kind of like the chick in the egg.  We
deplete one set of resources, and we have to find something new,
hopefully more efficient.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" 
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
steve.sundur@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" 
wrote:
> >
> > > It's like going back in time a century, the high price of oil
> > > keeps most cars off the road so us cyclists are having a super
> > > time, and on a straw poll of folks I bumped into in cafes and
> > > walking the street EVERYONE wants air travel banned permanently
> > > as it's *so* nice here at the moment.
> >
> > Likely except when THEY want the convenience. This strikes me as
pretty stupid and elitist.
>
> Well pardon us for thinking the world would be a better place
> without so much pollution and noise. The proof is right here
> right now. Mind you, I'm sure that when all the people I know
> who are stranded abroad get back the poll might look a *bit*
> different. If they get back that is...
>
>
> > Why don't they, and you stop using your computer.
>
> Because I'd hate to deprive you of all my wit and wisdom [ahem].
>
> > Are you aware of how much energy is consumed with one search.
> Why > are you even posting? You are causing your own environmental
>damage every time you click, aren't you?
>
> Yeah, one search is about the same as going on a long haul flight.
> Lucky I can't use my computer at 40,000 feet, the world wouldn't
> stand a chance!
>
> Teasing aside, I stand by my point, current economic growth is
unsustainable due to peak-oil and overpopulation etc. So we are
> going to have to scale it all back very soon anyway. Why not
> start with clean air? Try some and see, it's real nice stuff.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
 
> And the yahoo group -- I read a 20 or so posts. The posters are way into 
> their heads -- it would appear from their posts. Dry expositions. 
> While a small sample, i don't see the energy, vibrancy, life surging from 
> their words.
>
Hard to strike gold twice.  FFL with all it's problems has some good edg (edge) 
and gets into some interesting discussions. But I think you've pretty well 
nailed this Buddha at the Gas Pump.  And those interviews-I've only listened to 
the Foster's piece, but there wasn't much there to make me want to push on.  
Then again, I don't have time to do a lot of speculative exploring.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Volcanic ash keeps flights across Europe grounded.....

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:

> It's like going back in time a century, the high price of oil
> keeps most cars off the road so us cyclists are having a super
> time, and on a straw poll of folks I bumped into in cafes and 
> walking the street EVERYONE wants air travel banned permanently
> as it's *so* nice here at the moment.

Likely except when THEY want the convenience.  This strikes me as pretty stupid 
and elitist.  Why don't they, and you stop using your computer. Are you aware 
of how much energy is consumed with one search.  Why are you even posting?  You 
are causing your own environmental damage every time you click, aren't you?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Report (or, When the Fans Hit the Sheet)

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
I find a vibrant silence growing within, I feel more connected to people and 
things, my heart is full, and then
> 
> 2) life is an adventure, wonderful things happen that I don't plan or "force" 
> to happen, through a lot of unplanned detours and these unexpected events and 
> challenges have left my life far richer ... and I have mingled with the 
> masses, flowed with the crowd, and felt enlivened to be part of this 
> magnificent whole.

Nice to hear what I experience mirrored by another.  On the other hand, I don't 
really care to pass judgment on the path others have chosen. Wouldn't that sort 
of imply some lingering resentment, or even some elitist sentiment?

[FairfieldLife] Re: >>> maharishi channel >>>

[lurkernomore20002000]

Looks like Tony Nader gave a 1 hr. plus talk on March 23.  I can't seem to 
access the channel?  Can anybody provide a link?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin  wrote:
>
> maharishi  channel 
>  
>  
> http://www.maharishichannel.in/SCHEDULE/index.html
>  
> 
> __
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz 
> gegen Massenmails. 
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is that buzzing?

[lurkernomore20002000]

I believe it is called a pinealgasm, and occurs when the pineal gland
begins to pleasure itself.  The advice is pretty simple. "When the
pineal gland begins to pleasure itself, we do not mind. We take it as it
comes.  It is a  normal, natural process.  The pinealgasm may get weaker
or stronger, fainter or clearer. But in every case we just take it as it
comes, neither anticipating or resisting the sensation."  I believe
that's what it says to do.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi  wrote:
>
> I have a friend who is a meditator and a fellow classmate in my thrice
weekly yoga class. She has developed a "buzzing" sensation in what we
would consider the third eye area. It comes up during yoga class when
doing asanas. It comes up when she hears chanting. And, it comes up when
she sits down to meditate and it stays present pretty much the whole
time. It's not uncomfortable and she manages quite well with it. It goes
away when she is not doing any spiritual practice, that is to say,
secular activities do not seem to bring this on. She got concerned about
it 6 months ago and saw a neurologist who ran a battery of test, but
medically she checks out fine. Even her MRI was fine.
>
> Any thoughts on this, good people?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wikileaks - Threat to national security?

[lurkernomore20002000]

Sort of puts a real damper on things.  Life so casually snuffed out. And with 
little evidence of a threat.  Of course those guys who were so anxious to pull 
the trigger will have to live with this public record.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
>
> 
> A secret video showing US air crew falsely claiming to have encountered a 
> firefight in Baghdad and then laughing at the dead after launching an air 
> strike that killed a dozen people, including two Iraqis working for Reuters 
> news agency, was revealed by Wikileaks today.
> 
> The footage of the July 2007 attack was made public in a move that will 
> further anger the Pentagon, which has drawn up a report identifying the 
> whistleblower website as a threat to national security. The US defence 
> department was embarrassed when that confidential report appeared on the 
> Wikileaks site last month alongside a slew of military documents. 
> 
> The release of the video from Baghdad also comes shortly after the US 
> military admitted that its special forces attempted to cover up the killings 
> of three Afghan women in a raid in February by digging the bullets out of 
> their bodies. 
> 
> The newly released video of the Baghdad attacks was recorded on one of two 
> Apache helicopters hunting for insurgents on 12 July 2007. Among the dead 
> were a 22-year-old Reuters photographer, Namir Noor-Eldeen, and his driver, 
> Saeed Chmagh, 40. The Pentagon blocked an attempt by Reuters to obtain the 
> video through a freedom of information request. Wikileaks director Julian 
> Assange said his organisation had to break through encryption by the military 
> to view it.
> 
> Full story and video:
> 
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/05/wikileaks-us-army-iraq-attack
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apsara or Dakini?

[lurkernomore20002000]

 Sal Sunshine  wrote:

> Every time someone takes her or others like her
> up on crap like this, PT Barnum is rolling in his
> grave, laughing his ass off.

I guess she bailed already. Going through the post sequentially, I'm not seeing 
anything from her.  Could this be a sign of the rising Age of Enlightenment?  
People getting called on their BS early on in the game?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston

[lurkernomore20002000]

Thanks for the references Tex.  Strip away the deaming parts, and it's
nearly a perfect post!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > > It WOULD be a shock, although a pretty short one,
> > > if if all fades to black at the end...
> > >
> TurquoiseB:
> > Tibetan rebirth cycle matches with my subjective
> > memories of past lives and the transit through
> > the Bardo...
> >
> So, Turq is a 'TB' (True Believer).
>
> Upon death, the individual soul-monad rests in the
> Tibetan Heaven, the Bardo state, and then after a
> little while, gets re-born in another human body.
>
> The purpose of life is to unite the self with the
> Self, and to attain Unity Consciousness, a state
> of enlightened awareness, which gives life meaning.
>
> In Turq's religion, God is Karma, a religion Turq
> read about in a book and/or a spiritual cult guy
> told him about it.
>
> Just speaking for myself, I'm glad Turq finally
> came out of denial and defined his own spiritual
> path!
>
> Read more:
>
> 'The Tibetan Book of the Dead'
> The Great Liberation by Hearing in the Intermediate States
> By Guru Padmasambhava
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_Buddhism
>
> 'Surfing the Himalayas'
> A Spiritual Adventure
> By Frederick Lenz
> St. Martin's Griffin, 1996
> http://tinyurl.com/y9c6c8n
>
> 'A Separate Reality'
> Further Teachings of Don Juan
> by Carlos Casteneda
> Pocket Books, 1973
> http://tinyurl.com/ybfh4ym
>
> > As I suggested earlier, I don't worry about it
> > terribly much. If "fade to black" turns out to
> > be the reality, what will be there left of "me"
> > to notice? My belief in reincarnation and the
> > Tibetan rebirth cycle matches with my subjective
> > memories of past lives and the transit through
> > the Bardo in previous life-death-rebirth cycles,
> > but that could just be imagination AFAIK.
> >
> > The issue in the Tibetan forms of Buddhism that
> > I admire -- as, interestingly, the issue in forms
> > of shamanism or occultism such as those popularized
> > by Carlos Castaneda -- is remarkably pragmatic and
> > liberating IMO. They don't believe that much, if
> > any, thought needs to be given to "future lives"
> > or what happens after we did. The only thing that
> > "matters" is this life and what happens *before*
> > we die -- right here, right Now.
> >
> > The only "measure" of one's "evolution" or "score"
> > in terms of karma is (in their view) one's state
> > of attention right here, right Now. "How am I
> > doing karmically" is literally the same question
> > as "What is my current state of attention?"
> >
> > In the Tibetan model, based on a belief in rein-
> > carnation, "what matters" is how much awareness
> > and clarity and compassion one can bring to the
> > moment of one's death. In their view, the more
> > clarity of awareness one brings "with them" to the
> > Bardo can determine the easiness or uneasiness of
> > that transition, and help determine the nature of
> > the next birth, and how much awareness one gets to
> > "start with" in it.
> >
> > Interestingly enough, in Yaqui shamanic traditions
> > some of the teachers I've met admit that there
> > might be such a thing as reincarnation, but they
> > choose to never dwell on it or consider it because
> > in their system it is irrelevant. Their idea of a
> > "goal" in life is the cultivation of awareness (or
> > in their model, "personal power") to as great a
> > level as possible, given the length of one's life-
> > time. What happens after that is in their view not
> > relevant; it's a Here And Now kinda study.
> >
> > I resonate with this. While I accept the likelihood
> > of the multi-lifetime model, I don't particularly
> > "count on it." Like the Tibetans and like the shamans,
> > my "score" in this life depends on the state of atten-
> > tion I can "wear" during my life, not on anything
> > that happens after it. I think this is a preferable
> > 'tude to kicking back and assuming that one "has time"
> > to work things out in future incarnations if one does
> > not get them handled in this one.
> >
> > With that 'tude, I somehow suspect that I'll approach
> > the moment of my own death more easily than some who
> > are beset with guilt over all the things they "did
> > wrong," or who are concerned with going to Hell or
> > looking forward to going to Heaven. *Or* looking for-
> > ward to the next incarnation. All of those concerns
> > are either past or future, and the business of
> > spiritual development seems to me to be all about
> > Here And Now.
> >
> > Thanks for all the great raps, Lurk. It's been a real
> > pleasure, and a real change from the normal level of
> > discussion here.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston

[lurkernomore20002000]

Thanks. I've enjoyed it very much as well.  Just for the record, I also
find it of little benefit to dwell on the possiblity of past or future
lifetimes.  It's nothing I think about except when I try to make sense
of the big picture.  Otherwise it's just the here and now that I keep my
attention.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> With that 'tude, I somehow suspect that I'll approach
> the moment of my own death more easily than some who
> are beset with guilt over all the things they "did
> wrong," or who are concerned with going to Hell or
> looking forward to going to Heaven. *Or* looking for-
> ward to the next incarnation. All of those concerns
> are either past or future, and the business of
> spiritual development seems to me to be all about
> Here And Now.
>
> Thanks for all the great raps, Lurk. It's been a real
> pleasure, and a real change from the normal level of
> discussion here.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> I'm hoping I get to surf the Bardo and play the game
> again. If I'm wrong and the world just goes black 
> along with any self or self-identity, big deal. I 
> won't even be there to know about it, much less be
> there to be disappointed.  :-)

It WOULD be a shock, although a pretty short one, if if all fades to black at 
the end.  Somehow, I don't see that happening.  Even if I don't have any 
concrete experience of it, I just KNOW there's a subtle, or atral body in there 
somewhere.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston

[lurkernomore20002000]

I was a little rushed in my initial reply,  and did not intend to bring
in reincarnation as a forgone conclusion.  But, I must say that in my
system of belief, I cannot make sense of the idea of karma without
reincarnation.  A few other comments below

In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> "Intervention" would obviate and invalidate the whole
> idea of karma, which IMO is that *you* are supposed to
> learn from the results of your own actions. You steal.
> Something happens to your state of attention as a
> result; it sinks "lower." You steal again, it happens
> again. Sooner or later you figure this out and stop
> stealing. There is no "intervention" involved with
> this, merely individual responsibility.

I don't really see this.  Seems to me it can take a good long time for
us to learn certain lessons, and usually our  body gives out before we
do.  I view this as a pretty practical matter.  It seems obvious to me
that a lot of good actions go unrewarded, and a lot of bad actions go
unpunished in the span of one lifetime.  The only way I can make sense
of this is through this idea of reincarnation.
>
> I think people get all fucked up by associating the
> very simple, clear concept of karma with the very
> murky, unclear concept of reincarnation. I am talk-
> ing about karma in its sense as simple actions and
> the results of those action. I said, nor implied,
> anything about reincarnation in my previous posts.

Fine, of course.  But aside from all this theoretical stuff. Do you
believe in reincarantion?  What's all this "surfing the bardo" all
about, if I have the correct term.  I don't quite see the case you are
making about how karmic accounts get settled in the span of one
lifetime, and would like to know, as a practical matter if you really do
as well.  Fine to say, "could be this", or "could be that", but what do 
you believe.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:


  But before you get all excited and start pointing your puja in her
direction Hold it right there.  Just got my minimum daily requirement of
LOL.  I gotta warn you, one night and you'll be getting drunk-texts in
the middle of the night for the rest of the Yuga.