[FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ Oprah Winfrey did a TV show about Fairfield, and part of that show as about teh Vedic Pandits. The living and working conditions could be seen in the TV footage: http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video No news article has bothered to do any fact checking on this issue. Certainly, no news article has bothered to link to the Oprah TV footage.
[FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
Yep, Damned Muck-Rakers. Did not fact check their sources. That is the problem with sensational journalism and the internet. -Buck geezerfreak posts: http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ LEnglish5 writes: Oprah Winfrey did a TV show about Fairfield, and part of that show as about the Vedic Pandits. The living and working conditions could be seen in the TV footage: http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video No news article has bothered to do any fact checking on this issue. Certainly, no news article has bothered to link to the Oprah TV footage. . .
[FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits
What a bunch of ninnies. The pundit project is scientific research in consciousness. Based on experience observation we got hypothesis and testing going on. Have some fucking patience for the scientific process. As an investment for peace then science and basic research can take a lot of money. Think what they spend on the engines of war.I feel it is highly worthwhile to see the pundit project through to its end. Damn you and this scurrilous FFL posting too as if it was any fact and newsworthy; all these deceiving anti-science folks and Geezer too for starting this thread too should be strung up by their you-know-whats. The lack of respect for professionalism here is appalling and so unfair. It pisses me off when posting on FFL has to descend to this level. The transcending meditative state: A unitive experience that is within the human ontology. It is awesome. The Unified Field. It should not be discounted that It is true. All we are saying is let's give Peace a chance, -U.S. Buck in the Dome More than 30 Indian publications in the US and abroad have retracted the wildly inaccurate article about the Vedic Pandits that they had picked up from a Chicago Indian weekly. Yep, Damned Muck-Rakers. Did not fact check their sources. That is the problem with sensational journalism and the internet. -Buck geezerfreak posts: http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ LEnglish5 writes: Oprah Winfrey did a TV show about Fairfield, and part of that show as about the Vedic Pandits. The living and working conditions could be seen in the TV footage: http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video No news article has bothered to do any fact checking on this issue. Certainly, no news article has bothered to link to the Oprah TV footage. . .
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that's not what it says you head in the sand ostritch On Thu, 2/13/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 12:41 PM Yep, Damned Muck-Rakers. Did not fact check their sources. That is the problem with sensational journalism and the internet. -Buck geezerfreak posts:http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ LEnglish5 writes: Oprah Winfrey did a TV show about Fairfield, and part of that show as about the Vedic Pandits. The living and working conditions could be seen in the TV footage: http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video No news article has bothered to do any fact checking on this issue. Certainly, no news article has bothered to link to the Oprah TV footage. . .
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I wonder why no one in the press questions the purpose of keeping these people in Iowa? The TMO don't seem very forthcoming in the article, are they embarrassed at importing people to pray for them? We know the "raja's" have yagya's performed for them on a daily basis to neutralise any negative planetary influences, as does the whole country - if they pay enough. The UK coughs up a lot for personal help from the gods too, I know people with a monthly direct debit to support this. No mention is made of when it will be decided to have been a failure, but then I don't remember there being any parameters for success set out other than Marshy's: Give me a billion dollars and I'll save the world... And quite why this has to be tax free considering the amount they charge TMers for the privilege of getting the gods to sway events in their favour is also beyond me. Maybe if the TMO cared about their welfare they would pay them to go to university and do something useful with their lives instead of sitting on their backsides all day singing songs so the wealthy can feel like they've got some of the age of enlightenment they were promised so long ago. But wait, maybe they are here as part of the TMOs commitment to science, think of what the knowledge of the existence of vedic gods would do to our understanding of the universe if the thorough and credible scientists at MUM had proof that chanting old poems could actually change the flow of world events! That must be it, I even had an admission from Fred Travis when he popped up on TM-Free agreeing with me that if a supposedly science based outfit like the TMO were going to claim veracity for all "products" they charge money for, they should at least do some research to make sure it actually works. Perhaps he took that to heart and is hard at work analysing world trends and will soon produce a stunning paper along the lines of "Praying to Soma: an interdisciplinary study of how ancient gods affect global consciousness and the 10 years of brutal war in the middle east since the yagya programme started". ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: that's not what it says you head in the sand ostritch On Thu, 2/13/14, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 12:41 PM Yep, Damned Muck-Rakers. Did not fact check their sources. That is the problem with sensational journalism and the internet. -Buck geezerfreak posts:http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ LEnglish5 writes: Oprah Winfrey did a TV show about Fairfield, and part of that show as about the Vedic Pandits. The living and working conditions could be seen in the TV footage: http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video No news article has bothered to do any fact checking on this issue. Certainly, no news article has bothered to link to the Oprah TV footage. . .
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Sal, you are in rare form today! And just when I thought I couldn't learn anything more about the Movement, here you enlighten me! I had no idea the rajas had yagyas done for them. What a bunch of crap. It is one of those dichotomies that the TMO never address. What I mean is, if TM is as efficacious as is claimed and if you have the 10,000 times more powerful than TM program the TMSPs, why would you need anything else like yagyas and vastu veds? The TMO makes money off claiming they need donations for getting the pundits here and to Europe to cover their "expenses" and then the TMO gets money for the pundits doing all these yagyas for whoever. They are literally indentured servants at best. How much of the fees charged for the yagyas do the pundits get? None. On Thu, 2/13/14, salyavin808 wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 2:04 PM I wonder why no one in the press questions the purpose of keeping these people in Iowa? The TMO don't seem very forthcoming in the article, are they embarrassed at importing people to pray for them? We know the "raja's" have yagya's performed for them on a daily basis to neutralise any negative planetary influences, as does the whole country - if they pay enough. The UK coughs up a lot for personal help from the gods too, I know people with a monthly direct debit to support this. No mention is made of when it will be decided to have been a failure, but then I don't remember there being any parameters for success set out other than Marshy's: Give me a billion dollars and I'll save the world... And quite why this has to be tax free considering the amount they charge TMers for the privilege of getting the gods to sway events in their favour is also beyond me. Maybe if the TMO cared about their welfare they would pay them to go to university and do something useful with their lives instead of sitting on their backsides all day singing songs so the wealthy can feel like they've got some of the age of enlightenment they were promised so long ago. But wait, maybe they are here as part of the TMOs commitment to science, think of what the knowledge of the existence of vedic gods would do to our understanding of the universe if the thorough and credible scientists at MUM had proof that chanting old poems could actually change the flow of world events! That must be it, I even had an admission from Fred Travis when he popped up on TM-Free agreeing with me that if a supposedly science based outfit like the TMO were going to claim veracity for all "products" they charge money for, they should at least do some research to make sure it actually works. Perhaps he took that to heart and is hard at work analysing world trends and will soon produce a stunning paper along the lines of "Praying to Soma: an interdisciplinary study of how ancient gods affect global consciousness and the 10 years of brutal war in the middle east since the yagya programme started". ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: that's not what it says you head in the sand ostritch -------- On Thu, 2/13/14, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 12:41 PM Yep, Damned Muck-Rakers. Did not fact check their sources. That is the problem with sensational journalism and the internet. -Buck geezerfreak posts:http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ LEnglish5 writes: Oprah Winfrey did a TV show about Fairfield, and part of that show as about the Vedic Pandits. The living and working conditions could be seen in the TV footage: http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video No news article has bothered to do any fact checking on this issue. Certainly, no news article has bothered to link to the Oprah TV footage. . .
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On 2/13/2014 6:41 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Damned Muck-Rakers. Did not fact check their sources. > There are no missing boy "pandits" in Vedic City and apparently the living quarters are fit for a king with a free education. Go figure.
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On 2/13/2014 6:46 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > that's not what it says you head in the sand ostritch > Maybe it's time for you to leave the Hindu pundit boys alone and mind your own business. You don't even know who the pundit boys are. Go figure.
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On 2/13/2014 8:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > I wonder why no one in the press questions the purpose of keeping > these people in Iowa? > It would probably be in the best interests of the poor Hindu pandit boys if they were left alone to pray and get an education in Vedic City. Most of us here probably think it would be better not to involve the children in a sordid FFL debate. There's nothing good going to come from discussing the private life of under age children on a public forum. It would probably be much better to just leave the children alone and raise our own - that's more appropriate and rewarding than smearing some religious group in Iowa. That's what I think.
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On 2/13/2014 8:39 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > They are literally indentured servants at best. > Never pass up a made up opportunity to smear your old school teachers! Maybe it's none of your business what the poor Hindu pundit boys from India are doing in Vedic City. Did you make a donation? Get a grip - people pray for others in large groups every day all over the world!
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then why has John Hagelin said that only 5% of them have gone missing? On Thu, 2/13/14, Richard J. Williams wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 2:58 PM On 2/13/2014 6:41 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Damned Muck-Rakers. Did not fact check their sources. > There are no missing boy "pandits" in Vedic City and apparently the living quarters are fit for a king with a free education. Go figure.
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Are you sure that "think" is the right word? The pundits have an average age of 26, according to the article we are discussing. But if they were underage I would be even more likely to talk about them. I find the idea of keeping a bunch of foreigners as pets in the hope of giving yourselves a better life to be astoundingly offensive. Not least because it doesn't actually work, as anyone who has thought objectively about it for at least a minute will be aware. The amount of people I know who have desperately given money in the hope of a turnaround in bad circumstances is beyond count. I know disabled people who have paid a fortune for these bullshit yagyas. I know someone I can't even talk about who gave his life savings in exchange for a few prayers that quite obviously did nothing. The list is endless, in one way we have to say that if God didn't want them sheared he would not have made them sheep. On the other hand I can't see a wrong without wanting to see it righted. Either prove that this superstitious crap works or let the pundits go home or earn some money in Fairfield or get them a degree that might mean something in the real world. What I think is that the whole thing is a scam and you should be ashamed for trying to shut down debate about it on a public forum. But you are right in that they are religious, but they claim to be scientific and that makes them fair game. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/13/2014 8:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > I wonder why no one in the press questions the purpose of keeping > these people in Iowa? > It would probably be in the best interests of the poor Hindu pandit boys if they were left alone to pray and get an education in Vedic City. Most of us here probably think it would be better not to involve the children in a sordid FFL debate. There's nothing good going to come from discussing the private life of under age children on a public forum. It would probably be much better to just leave the children alone and raise our own - that's more appropriate and rewarding than smearing some religious group in Iowa. That's what I think.
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you are still an idiot who can't read - the MUM folks claim NONE of them are under the age of 18 On Thu, 2/13/14, Richard J. Williams wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 3:09 PM On 2/13/2014 8:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > I wonder why no one in the press questions the purpose of keeping > these people in Iowa? > It would probably be in the best interests of the poor Hindu pandit boys if they were left alone to pray and get an education in Vedic City. Most of us here probably think it would be better not to involve the children in a sordid FFL debate. There's nothing good going to come from discussing the private life of under age children on a public forum. It would probably be much better to just leave the children alone and raise our own - that's more appropriate and rewarding than smearing some religious group in Iowa. That's what I think.
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Precisely! Follow the money people, follow the money ...
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I agree totally - it might have some decency if they would do some sort of profit sharing with the pundits - but given the millions of dollars the TMO gets from the yagyas, and the pundits get maybe 50 bucks a month, and even that is apparently not given if the man who posted here recently is accurate. What an unconscionable con this whole thing is. On Thu, 2/13/14, salyavin808 wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 4:29 PM Are you sure that "think" is the right word? The pundits have an average age of 26, according to the article we are discussing. But if they were underage I would be even more likely to talk about them. I find the idea of keeping a bunch of foreigners as pets in the hope of giving yourselves a better life to be astoundingly offensive. Not least because it doesn't actually work, as anyone who has thought objectively about it for at least a minute will be aware. The amount of people I know who have desperately given money in the hope of a turnaround in bad circumstances is beyond count. I know disabled people who have paid a fortune for these bullshit yagyas. I know someone I can't even talk about who gave his life savings in exchange for a few prayers that quite obviously did nothing. The list is endless, in one way we have to say that if God didn't want them sheared he would not have made them sheep. On the other hand I can't see a wrong without wanting to see it righted. Either prove that this superstitious crap works or let the pundits go home or earn some money in Fairfield or get them a degree that might mean something in the real world. What I think is that the whole thing is a scam and you should be ashamed for trying to shut down debate about it on a public forum. But you are right in that they are religious, but they claim to be scientific and that makes them fair game. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/13/2014 8:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > I wonder why no one in the press questions the purpose of keeping > these people in Iowa? > It would probably be in the best interests of the poor Hindu pandit boys if they were left alone to pray and get an education in Vedic City. Most of us here probably think it would be better not to involve the children in a sordid FFL debate. There's nothing good going to come from discussing the private life of under age children on a public forum. It would probably be much better to just leave the children alone and raise our own - that's more appropriate and rewarding than smearing some religious group in Iowa. That's what I think.
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On 2/13/2014 10:29 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > I find the idea of keeping a bunch of foreigners as pets in the hope > of giving yourselves a better life to be astoundingly offensive. > There are probably a million foreign students living and working in the U.S. and in Canada. Around here, there are thousands of immigrants from India and Mexico. What would you have them do, leave their religion and their culture behind just because they want to get an education in the US? Go figure.
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LOL, is that what they're doing, getting an education? Well spun, you should work in the TM press office. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:29 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > I find the idea of keeping a bunch of foreigners as pets in the hope > of giving yourselves a better life to be astoundingly offensive. > There are probably a million foreign students living and working in the U.S. and in Canada. Around here, there are thousands of immigrants from India and Mexico. What would you have them do, leave their religion and their culture behind just because they want to get an education in the US? Go figure.
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On 2/13/2014 10:31 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > you are still an idiot who can't read - the MUM folks claim NONE of > them are under the age of 18 > It's still none of your business what Hindu schoolboys do after school, no matter what age they are or where they live - it's a free country.
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On 2/13/2014 10:51 AM, geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote: > Precisely! Follow the money people, follow the money ... > He's dead, Geezer. What money?
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On 2/13/2014 10:52 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > if they would do some sort of profit sharing with the pundits > You mean other than the cash stipend, the free room and board and the free education?
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You really are an utterly shameless apologist. Luckily everyone else can read and understand and don't have to rely on your delusions. I might just try and add up the amount of money that people that just I know have spent on prayers performed by your schoolboys. I'll need a big calculator though... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:51 AM, geezerfreak@... mailto:geezerfreak@... wrote: > Precisely! Follow the money people, follow the money ... > He's dead, Geezer. What money?
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On 2/13/2014 2:21 PM, salyavin808 wrote: > is that what they're doing, getting an education? > All Indian pandits go to school - probably their entire lives are devoted to learning.
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On 2/13/2014 2:27 PM, salyavin808 wrote: > I might just try and add up the amount of money that people that just > I know have spent on prayers performed by your schoolboys. > So, how much money have you donated to the MMY pandit project?
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Yes Tricky Dicky, learning things of no value except to people like you who think they will have a better life from having someone do a bit of chanting on their behalf. It's a crock, I'm sorry you had to hear it here first. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/13/2014 2:21 PM, salyavin808 wrote: > is that what they're doing, getting an education? > All Indian pandits go to school - probably their entire lives are devoted to learning.
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Me? Are you kidding, not a penny. I can spot a scam from miles away. From the first time I heard about it I thought No way, it's rubbish, I'm surprised they get away with it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/13/2014 2:27 PM, salyavin808 wrote: > I might just try and add up the amount of money that people that just > I know have spent on prayers performed by your schoolboys. > So, how much money have you donated to the MMY pandit project?
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Me? Are you kidding, not a penny. I can spot a scam from miles away. From the first time I heard about it I thought No way, it's rubbish, I'm surprised they get away with it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/13/2014 2:27 PM, salyavin808 wrote: > I might just try and add up the amount of money that people that just > I know have spent on prayers performed by your schoolboys. > So, how much money have you donated to the MMY pandit project?
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LOL, me? Are you kidding, not a penny! I can spot a scam a mile away, you have to get up pretty early to catch me out, but yagyas! FFS, the whole concept stinks to high heaven. I'm embarrassed for you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/13/2014 2:27 PM, salyavin808 wrote: > I might just try and add up the amount of money that people that just > I know have spent on prayers performed by your schoolboys. > So, how much money have you donated to the MMY pandit project?
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I suggest you go to one of the community colleges you are always yapping about Richie and take a reading comprehension course. Obviously Sal said the TMO is exploiting the Indians to give THEMSELVES a better life - i.e. the TMO people get advantages by taking advantage of the Indians - he didn't mean the pundits were coming here to get a better life in that sentence On Thu, 2/13/14, salyavin808 wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 8:21 PM LOL, is that what they're doing, getting an education? Well spun, you should work in the TM press office. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:29 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > I find the idea of keeping a bunch of foreigners as pets in the hope > of giving yourselves a better life to be astoundingly offensive. > There are probably a million foreign students living and working in the U.S. and in Canada. Around here, there are thousands of immigrants from India and Mexico. What would you have them do, leave their religion and their culture behind just because they want to get an education in the US? Go figure.
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what education? The only thing they teach 'em is how to recite the vedas, a job that is shit in India unless you are one of the fat cats that run the places that hoodwink the dummy Americans, Canadians and Europeans to give them big money to chant for 'em to no avail, the ashram owners get the bucks and the pundits who do the actual chants get to eat. On Thu, 2/13/14, Richard J. Williams wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 8:26 PM On 2/13/2014 10:52 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > if they would do some sort of profit sharing with the pundits > You mean other than the cash stipend, the free room and board and the free education?
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I know one initiator whose wife has a lot of health problems - he has paid the Movement thousands for health yagyas - ain't done shit. On Thu, 2/13/14, salyavin808 wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 8:27 PM You really are an utterly shameless apologist. Luckily everyone else can read and understand and don't have to rely on your delusions. I might just try and add up the amount of money that people that just I know have spent on prayers performed by your schoolboys. I'll need a big calculator though... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:51 AM, geezerfreak@... wrote: > Precisely! Follow the money people, follow the money ... > He's dead, Geezer. What money?
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On 2/13/2014 6:38 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > the TMO people get advantages by taking advantage of the Indians > You are not even making any sense - the TMO people ARE Indians.
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On 2/13/2014 6:40 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > The only thing they teach 'em is how to recite the vedas, a job that > is shit in India unless you are one of the fat cats that run the > places that hoodwink the dummy Americans, Canadians and Europeans to > give them big money to chant for 'em to no avail, the ashram owners > get the bucks and the pundits who do the actual chants get to eat. > Sounds like a pretty fair deal for chanting and learning the Vedas, if the food is good.
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On 2/13/2014 5:01 PM, salyavin808 wrote: > the whole concept stinks to high heaven. > Maybe we should just ban all religious ceremonies. I mean, who do those Hindu Pundits think they are coming over here and burning all that punk - they think that's going to send a message up to God? Go figure.
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On 2/13/2014 3:51 PM, salyavin808 wrote: > learning things of no value except to people like you who think they > will have a better life from having someone do a bit of chanting on > their behalf. > Don't you just hate those Hindus!
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On 2/13/2014 7:09 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: > It pisses me off when posting on FFL has to descend to this level. > So, let's review what we know: All the pundit boys are accounted for and there are no unaccounted for pundit boys in Vedic City, IA. Are we agreed so far? According to my sources, all the pundit boys not only get a stipend and a free education, but they get free room and board in a place that by comparison to where they came from, is a mansion. They probably all get smartphones, radios, and a TV as well. All they have to do is meditate a few times a day and chant OM. Sweet!
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I suggest you go to one of the community colleges you are always yapping about Richie and take a reading comprehension course. Obviously Sal said the TMO is exploiting the Indians to give THEMSELVES a better life - i.e. the TMO people get advantages by taking advantage of the Indians - he didn't mean the pundits were coming here to get a better life in that sentence Don't jump on that particular "Ricky train". He just says shit and we have been advised not to take him seriously. He only takes himself seriously, very, very seriously, when he runs his schtick on us. On Thu, 2/13/14, salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 8:21 PM LOL, is that what they're doing, getting an education? Well spun, you should work in the TM press office. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:29 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > I find the idea of keeping a bunch of foreigners as pets in the hope > of giving yourselves a better life to be astoundingly offensive. > There are probably a million foreign students living and working in the U.S. and in Canada. Around here, there are thousands of immigrants from India and Mexico. What would you have them do, leave their religion and their culture behind just because they want to get an education in the US? Go figure.
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How can you possibly think that Hindu religious practices constitutes any kind of science? Your sheep must be producing lots of manure cause your thought processes seem to be affected by snorting too much methane gas. On Fri, 2/14/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 14, 2014, 1:09 AM What a bunch of ninnies. The pundit project is scientific research in consciousness. Based on experience observation we got hypothesis and testing going on. Have some fucking patience for the scientific process. As an investment for peace then science and basic research can take a lot of money. Think what they spend on the engines of war. I feel it is highly worthwhile to see the pundit project through to its end. Damn you and this scurrilous FFL posting too as if it was any fact and newsworthy; all these deceiving anti-science folks and Geezer too for starting this thread too should be strung up by their you-know-whats. The lack of respect for professionalism here is appalling and so unfair. It pisses me off when posting on FFL has to descend to this level. The transcending meditative state: A unitive experience that is within the human ontology. It is awesome. The Unified Field. It should not be discounted that It is true. All we are saying is let's give Peace a chance,-U.S. Buck in the Dome More than 30 Indian publications in the US and abroad have retracted the wildly inaccurate article about the Vedic Pandits that they had picked up from a Chicago Indian weekly. Yep, Damned Muck-Rakers. Did not fact check their sources. That is the problem with sensational journalism and the internet.-Buck geezerfreak posts:http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ LEnglish5 writes: Oprah Winfrey did a TV show about Fairfield, and part of that show as about the Vedic Pandits. The living and working conditions could be seen in the TV footage: http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video No news article has bothered to do any fact checking on this issue. Certainly, no news article has bothered to link to the Oprah TV footage. . .
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When did Bevan Morris, John Hagelin, Neal Patterson, Greg Wilson, King Tony Nader et al become Indians? On Fri, 2/14/14, Richard J. Williams wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 14, 2014, 1:17 AM On 2/13/2014 6:38 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > the TMO people get advantages by taking advantage of the Indians > You are not even making any sense - the TMO people ARE Indians.
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Hagelin and Goldstein have both said there are 5% who are missing. On Fri, 2/14/14, Richard J. Williams wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 14, 2014, 2:35 AM On 2/13/2014 7:09 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: > It pisses me off when posting on FFL has to descend to this level. > So, let's review what we know: All the pundit boys are accounted for and there are no unaccounted for pundit boys in Vedic City, IA. Are we agreed so far? According to my sources, all the pundit boys not only get a stipend and a free education, but they get free room and board in a place that by comparison to where they came from, is a mansion. They probably all get smartphones, radios, and a TV as well. All they have to do is meditate a few times a day and chant OM. Sweet!
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: When did Bevan Morris, John Hagelin, Neal Patterson, Greg Wilson, King Tony Nader et al become Indians? Touche MJ. On Fri, 2/14/14, Richard J. Williams mailto:punditster@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 14, 2014, 1:17 AM On 2/13/2014 6:38 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > the TMO people get advantages by taking advantage of the Indians > You are not even making any sense - the TMO people ARE Indians.
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Why ask me Richard? Ask the Srivastava/Varma clan. They have it ... ALL of it.
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I had a girlfriend who suffered from monthly migraines (see if you can work that out) it was no laughing matter, it was 3-4 days in a dark room with a damp towel over her lovely little face, broke my heart it did. She paid a total of £40,000 on health yagyas to cure it. I asked why she didn't ask for a refund after the first one failed but got the usual "it works at a level I'm not aware of" or, "there's too much stress in collective consciousness" or "at least the money goes to the best possible place" or "we're in the wrong yuga" Usual stuff. This is part of the Marshy genius, he creates a worldview that makes your experience of consciousness the most powerful thing that's happening in the world, not only for your own development but in changing the world for the better in every possible way. And if it doesn't work, the philosophy contains within it the reason why it doesn't work and it's the same reason you feel so good in the first place - the mechanics of stress release. Something good is happening. I wish I'd thought of it. Bloody amazing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I know one initiator whose wife has a lot of health problems - he has paid the Movement thousands for health yagyas - ain't done shit. ---- On Thu, 2/13/14, salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014, 8:27 PM You really are an utterly shameless apologist. Luckily everyone else can read and understand and don't have to rely on your delusions. I might just try and add up the amount of money that people that just I know have spent on prayers performed by your schoolboys. I'll need a big calculator though... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:51 AM, geezerfreak@... wrote: > Precisely! Follow the money people, follow the money ... > He's dead, Geezer. What money?
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Tricky Dicky strikes again, top form this morning. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/13/2014 5:01 PM, salyavin808 wrote: > the whole concept stinks to high heaven. > Maybe we should just ban all religious ceremonies. I mean, who do those Hindu Pundits think they are coming over here and burning all that punk - they think that's going to send a message up to God? Go figure.
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Sweet. You forgot to mention that the TMO makes millions out of keeping them away from home and chanting endless yagyas to supposedly make life better for wealthy westerners. Self-serving neo-imperialism - a charity it aint. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:09 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: > It pisses me off when posting on FFL has to descend to this level. > So, let's review what we know: All the pundit boys are accounted for and there are no unaccounted for pundit boys in Vedic City, IA. Are we agreed so far? According to my sources, all the pundit boys not only get a stipend and a free education, but they get free room and board in a place that by comparison to where they came from, is a mansion. They probably all get smartphones, radios, and a TV as well. All they have to do is meditate a few times a day and chant OM. Sweet!
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Sweet. You forgot to mention the millions the TMO makes out of getting these guys to chant endless yagyas to supposedly improve the lives of rich westerners. Neo-imperialism, a charity it aint... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:09 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: > It pisses me off when posting on FFL has to descend to this level. > So, let's review what we know: All the pundit boys are accounted for and there are no unaccounted for pundit boys in Vedic City, IA. Are we agreed so far? According to my sources, all the pundit boys not only get a stipend and a free education, but they get free room and board in a place that by comparison to where they came from, is a mansion. They probably all get smartphones, radios, and a TV as well. All they have to do is meditate a few times a day and chant OM. Sweet!
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Aww come on, you know better than that - King Tony, Bevan and the boys get a cut. On Fri, 2/14/14, geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 14, 2014, 6:07 AM Why ask me Richard? Ask the Srivastava/Varma clan. They have it ... ALL of it.
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"I feel it is highly worthwhile to see the pundit project through to its end." Okay tell me where the end is? We have had TMSP group practice since 1975 if you count the first few 6 month courses and I don't see any substantial change in the world's atmosphere, in fact the world is in much worse shape now than before Marshy started making promises. So where and when does the pundit project end? On Fri, 2/14/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 14, 2014, 1:09 AM What a bunch of ninnies. The pundit project is scientific research in consciousness. Based on experience observation we got hypothesis and testing going on. Have some fucking patience for the scientific process. As an investment for peace then science and basic research can take a lot of money. Think what they spend on the engines of war. I feel it is highly worthwhile to see the pundit project through to its end. Damn you and this scurrilous FFL posting too as if it was any fact and newsworthy; all these deceiving anti-science folks and Geezer too for starting this thread too should be strung up by their you-know-whats. The lack of respect for professionalism here is appalling and so unfair. It pisses me off when posting on FFL has to descend to this level. The transcending meditative state: A unitive experience that is within the human ontology. It is awesome. The Unified Field. It should not be discounted that It is true. All we are saying is let's give Peace a chance,-U.S. Buck in the Dome More than 30 Indian publications in the US and abroad have retracted the wildly inaccurate article about the Vedic Pandits that they had picked up from a Chicago Indian weekly. Yep, Damned Muck-Rakers. Did not fact check their sources. That is the problem with sensational journalism and the internet.-Buck geezerfreak posts:http://worldhindunews.com/2014021217951/young-vedic-pandits-go-missing-from-iowa-based-sponsoring-organization-ela-dutt/ LEnglish5 writes: Oprah Winfrey did a TV show about Fairfield, and part of that show as about the Vedic Pandits. The living and working conditions could be seen in the TV footage: http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video No news article has bothered to do any fact checking on this issue. Certainly, no news article has bothered to link to the Oprah TV footage. . .
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On 2/14/2014 7:19 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > King Tony, Bevan and the boys get a cut. > The last time I checked administrators at most schools all get paid a salary. For example, the Chancellor of the the San Antonio College District gets paid $450,00 per year, plus benefits.
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On 2/14/2014 9:17 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > So where and when does the pundit project end? > It is doubtful that the pundit project will end anytime soon. In India there are thousands of students attending MMY schools in India learning how to be pundits. From what I've read in the Indian press, the TMO is currently training thousands of pundits at Noida, at the Brahmastan of India and at numerous Maharishi Vidya Mandirs all over the Punjab and Goa. Apparently, MMY was one of the few people interested in establishing the ancient art of Sanskrit recitation. According to The Times of India, there are over 10,000 pundit students at Maharishi schools in India, all learning how to recite the Vedas, while at the same time learning a secular trade. It seems that MMY was almost single-handedly reviving the lost art of punditry in India. Go figure.
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On 2/13/2014 9:01 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: He just says shit and we have been advised not to take him seriously. > So, who are these "missing" pundit boys? And, where are they hiding? This shouldn't be very difficult to figure out, since they all presumably have names, passports, photo ID cards, green cards and work permits and Dome Badges. Go figure.
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On 2/13/2014 9:51 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > When did Bevan Morris, John Hagelin, Neal Patterson, Greg Wilson, King > Tony Nader et al become Indians? > The entire TMO is owned by Indians. There are no missing pundit boys in Vedic City.
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On 2/13/2014 9:52 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > Hagelin and Goldstein have both said there are 5% who are missing. > According to my insider sources, there are about 5% of the older pundit boys that came from Kerala that cannot read or write any Sanskrit and cannot recite from memory a single phrase other than the bija mantra they were given with the TM instruction. These men were given plane tickets back to India where they got jobs doing computer IT work in Kerala. There are no missing pundit boys in Vedic City. Go figure. FYI: A "pundit" in India must be able to recite the Vedas from memory in a prescribed ritual based on prescriptions laid down in the Samhita for the Agnihotra. Some pundits can also read, write, and understand Sanskrit and they are permitted to place the designation 'shastri' after their name. Some pundits also hold additional degrees such as M.A., Ph.D., etc. In addition, some pundits become priests or swamis, and lead millions of Hindus all over the world.
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On 2/13/2014 10:41 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: When did Bevan Morris, John Hagelin, Neal Patterson, Greg Wilson, King Tony Nader et al become Indians? Touche MJ. > From what I've read, the TMO is owned by Girish and the Srivastava boys - all Indians. All the money collected from all over the world including MUM goes to the Sri Brahmananda Trust which is run by the SRM of India, at Noida.
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On 2/14/2014 1:04 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > I had a girlfriend who suffered from monthly migraines > The substance serotonin has been shown in scientific studies to be connected with alterations of mood in the human brain. For example, serotonin reuptake inhibitors are factors in the condition called migraines, that is, acute or chronic headache. Since serotonin occurs naturally it has been difficult to regulate. But, with basic TM the practice some people are able to alter some physiological functions in the human body, such as the chemical serotonin.
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On 2/14/2014 1:28 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > keeping them away from home and chanting > Get a grip - most of the Indian pundits are grown up men who left home years ago - some are even orphans. Go figure.
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Keep chugging that kool-aid Tricky... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:28 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > keeping them away from home and chanting > Get a grip - most of the Indian pundits are grown up men who left home years ago - some are even orphans. Go figure.
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On 2/14/2014 11:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > Keep chugging that kool-aid Tricky... > So, you don't want to talk anymore about the missing pundit boys? Go figure.
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I never did want to talk about missing pundits, that was you diverting the topic by deliberately answering the wrong question to avoid having to deal with the uncomfortable facts. Namely that yagya's are a crock of shit and the TMO is keeping a bunch of kids in a dorm 24/7 chanting to the gods so they can charge the true believers for prayers in the vain hope of making their lives better. The Fairfielders also get a smug sense of satisfaction that they are "doing all they can to save the world", the TMO makes a fortune and the pundits get to waste their lives for zilch. Some day the TMO will limp out of the stone age. But not while there's money to be made. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/14/2014 11:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > Keep chugging that kool-aid Tricky... > So, you don't want to talk anymore about the missing pundit boys? Go figure.
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I don't think its kool-aid - I have heard they make bad 'shine down in some parts of Texas - he seems to have some brain cells missing On Fri, 2/14/14, salyavin808 wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 14, 2014, 5:14 PM Keep chugging that kool-aid Tricky... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:28 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > keeping them away from home and chanting > Get a grip - most of the Indian pundits are grown up men who left home years ago - some are even orphans. Go figure.
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:-)
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Bingo! And there's your answer. It's a family run business.
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So, why is it that you want to find the missing pundit boys? On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > I don't think its kool-aid - I have heard they make bad 'shine down in > some parts of Texas - he seems to have some brain cells missing > > On Fri, 2/14/14, salyavin808 wrote: > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: More on missing pandits > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, February 14, 2014, 5:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep chugging that > kool-aid Tricky... > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > wrote: > > On 2/14/2014 > 1:28 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > > keeping them away > from home and chanting > > > > > Get a grip - most of the Indian pundits > are grown up men who left home > > years ago - some are even orphans. Go figure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> I never did want to talk about missing pundits > So, you don't have any more information on the missing pundit boys? On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > > > I never did want to talk about missing pundits, that was you diverting the > topic by deliberately answering the wrong question to avoid having to deal > with the uncomfortable facts. > > Namely that yagya's are a crock of shit and the TMO is keeping a bunch of > kids in a dorm 24/7 chanting to the gods so they can charge the true > believers for prayers in the vain hope of making their lives better. The > Fairfielders also get a smug sense of satisfaction that they are "doing all > they can to save the world", the TMO makes a fortune and the pundits get to > waste their lives for zilch. > > Some day the TMO will limp out of the stone age. But not while there's > money to be made. > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > On 2/14/2014 11:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > > > Keep chugging that kool-aid Tricky... > > > > So, you don't want to talk anymore about the missing pundit boys? Go > figure. > > >
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: "So, you don't have any more information on the missing pundit boys?" Not really, but to hazard a guess they're probably working on the sly, making a bit of money for a change. Meeting some people from the real world and having a laugh. Good luck to them. > I never did want to talk about missing pundits > So, you don't have any more information on the missing pundit boys? On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM, salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I never did want to talk about missing pundits, that was you diverting the topic by deliberately answering the wrong question to avoid having to deal with the uncomfortable facts. Namely that yagya's are a crock of shit and the TMO is keeping a bunch of kids in a dorm 24/7 chanting to the gods so they can charge the true believers for prayers in the vain hope of making their lives better. The Fairfielders also get a smug sense of satisfaction that they are "doing all they can to save the world", the TMO makes a fortune and the pundits get to waste their lives for zilch. Some day the TMO will limp out of the stone age. But not while there's money to be made. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/14/2014 11:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > Keep chugging that kool-aid Tricky... > So, you don't want to talk anymore about the missing pundit boys? Go figure.
