[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Alex, no need for all these thousand names if one has Lalita. To the best of my knowledge, I don't have Lalita, so the need for the thousand names remains. (Actually, I claim no need for any of those recordings. They came my way, and I'm just passing them on.) > - Original Message - > From: "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:59 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios > > > > Ok, I've downloaded all the CL audio files and uploaded them to my > > webserver. > > > > http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/ > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > > > It's interesting that Barry brought up that he secretly > > > recorded parts of Charlie's lectures. Now I know who the > > > asshole was who did it. But what Barry didn't tell you, > > > is that the tapes were doctored [I don't know if Barry > > > was in on the doctoring] to make it look like Charlie > > > was contradicting Maharishi. > > > > Mr. I-used-to-have-a-spine-until-I-met-Judy-Stein- > > and-learned-to-kiss-ass-for-a-living has his facts > > mixed up with self-importance fantasies. > > Barry is really, REALLY terrified about his move > to Spain. How do you know for sure that this compulsive liar barry/turqey/whatever-fellow actually went anywhere ? ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. > > > Most of them didn't seem to care whether or not Charlie > > > was representing Maharishi's teachings. They considered > > > Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an > > > exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or > > > intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think > > > Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always > > > argued that he was merely parroting things he had read > > > in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember > > > one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened > > > "because he had been meditating 15 years." > > > > Let's face it...after years of promises and > > no delivery on them, TMers were just prime > > sucker bait. > > Charlie had a personal following long before > neganaughtery became the order of the day. > > They'd flock around *anyone* > > who pretended to be knowledgeable or who > > would tell them Woo Woo stuff they couldn't > > get from Maharishi or the regular TM teachers. > > You realize you just contradicted yourself > here, right? > > > Just look at the numbers > > of TMers who are impressed by someone who can > > zap them with a bit of minor shakti. After > > years and years of nothing, they look upon > > even the smallest something as if it's mean- > > ingful and the best thing since sliced bread. > > What numbers would those be, Barry? > > > And, before anyone comes rushing in to accuse > > me of "TM bashing" again > > You're TM- and TMer-bashing again. > > , this phenomenon is > > NOT limited to TM and TMers. It's across the > > board, in almost every spiritual trip I've > > ever encountered. People bring their desires > > to see and hear flashy stuff to the ball with > > them, and *of course* the teachers dance with > > them and tell them exactly what they want to > > hear. > > Except that above you claimed the TMers were after > the "Woo Woo stuff [TMers] *couldn't get* from > Maharishi or the regular TM teachers" (my emphasis). > > And you go on to make the same assertion: > > > And [the TMers] knew that they > > couldn't get this stuff from Maharishi or the > > "straight" TM teachers. So they flocked around > > Charlie because he made them feel all superior > > and special. > > Plus which, you're contradicting one of your > most-often-used mantras, about how TMers were > taken in by MMY because *he made them feel all > superior and special*. > > Now, in the interests of bashing Charlie and, of > course, TMers again, the TMers flocked to Charlie > because MMY *didn't* make them feel all superior > and special, according to you. > > You're trying to bash TMers, TM, MMY, and Charlie > all at once with the same stick, and you've ended > up in one of your usual rhetorical muddles. *Sounds* > good, but it doesn't make any sense. > > And people eat it up, because it makes > > them feel all special to know things that > > lesser, not-as-special-as-we-are humans don't. > > Did you ever ask yourself whether you might be > projecting this tendency on others because it's > how *you* feel, but not necessarily how > everybody else feels? > > I mean, it sure looks to me as though you're > describing your own repeated boasting about > what you experienced with Lenz: "I saw > levitation and golden light and all kinds of > other neat stuff and you didn't, nyah-nyah!" > The other thing I see here Judy is that Barry "dances in the dark" a lot, because no one has changed the tune playing for him in the Ballroom, for a lng, lng time. So on the receiving end for us are the same ol' same ol' tired stories, that after awhile we've heard many, many times before. Those who may be susceptible to the dynamics in these stories have long since moved on, or don't follow FFL, so its more about Barry's Lament on Not Having Made It Yet, than it is anything else to do with TMers, Maharishi, Charlie Lutes, spiritual seekers, Rama, others on here, etc, etc, etc. Spiritual seekers go through this stage very reliably, consistently and unmistakably-- They have moved on from the samskara/sleep stage of life, having begun to awaken from the retread patterns etched in their synapses, to discover by bit by bit, fits, starts, and grace, all that life may have to offer. And then they get stuck, and after some flashy experiences, notice that they are bridging the old asleep ways, on the one hand, and "the promise of paradise fulfilled" (as a dear friend refers to it),on the other, though they are not really in either camp. So they focus their energy in two areas-- either rajas/satva, finding creative, uplifting pursuits that will continue to teach them, that they can hopefully learn enough from to be set free f
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > It's interesting that Barry brought up that he secretly > > recorded parts of Charlie's lectures. Now I know who the > > asshole was who did it. But what Barry didn't tell you, > > is that the tapes were doctored [I don't know if Barry > > was in on the doctoring] to make it look like Charlie > > was contradicting Maharishi. > > Mr. I-used-to-have-a-spine-until-I-met-Judy-Stein- > and-learned-to-kiss-ass-for-a-living has his facts > mixed up with self-importance fantasies. > > I made a couple of tapes, and turned them over to > the Regional Coordinator in question, and he played > them *verbatim* for Charlie when he denied saying > these things. We heard later that Charlie had made > up a story about "doctored tapes," but anyone who > used to listen to him knows that no "doctoring" > was necessary. Charlie was caught cold doing what > he'd always done, and as usual found a way to lie > his ass off and convince the toadies who kissed > that ass on a regular basis that it was Someone > Else's Fault. > > > I got that from two insiders who directly knew about > > it. > > Yeah, right...a couple of Charlie ass-kissers like > John who believed anything he told them. :-) > > And note the use of the elitist, "special" term > "insiders." > > > This is the extent to which certain people hated Charlie ... > > Ever notice how people with self-importance fantasies > always seem to come up with stories about the people > *they* are jealous of hating them? :-) Charlie was > the king at this, and managed to convince most of the > ass-kissers that he was being "persecuted" by Jerry's > evil minions. > > What John's not telling you is that he's still pissed > at Jerry for chasing him out of a meeting he wasn't > supposed to be in. Like his mentor on AMT, and like > Charlie himself, the only spiritual lesson John seems > to have learned is how to hold a grudge for decades. :-) > > > and it was on this basis that smears about Charlie began > > to permeate the TMO via Jarvis' little kingdom and poison > > the well for Charlie. > > And Charlie had *nothing* to do with it. Yeah, right. :-) > > Again, ever notice how the poor, persecuted self- > important ones are *never* responsible for anything > they say and do? It's always the fault of the evil > lesser beings who persecute them. :-) > > The bottom line with "Charlie's troops" is that > they liked to consider themselves "special," and > *above* those lesser TM types. > > And they still do. > > And they get a little crazy when someone suggests > that they were *never* terribly important or special, > still aren't, and will never be. > > Except at ass-kissing, that is. At that they excel. :-) Behold Barry's elaborate act embellished with outright lies, one of which is that Jarvis chased me out of a meeting I "wasn't supposed to be at." That never happened. And talk about self-serving "specialness." Barry is the self-named 'Mahananda' of "specialness." Too bad it's all futile ego self-importance. I don't believe I've ever encountered such an overt, loud, selfish and determined ego. I don't think he can help himself and it's likely the poor slob is *really* gonna crash when the time inevitably comes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > It's interesting that Barry brought up that he secretly > > recorded parts of Charlie's lectures. Now I know who the > > asshole was who did it. But what Barry didn't tell you, > > is that the tapes were doctored [I don't know if Barry > > was in on the doctoring] to make it look like Charlie > > was contradicting Maharishi. > > Mr. I-used-to-have-a-spine-until-I-met-Judy-Stein- > and-learned-to-kiss-ass-for-a-living has his facts > mixed up with self-importance fantasies. Barry is really, REALLY terrified about his move to Spain.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
Hey Alex, no need for all these thousand names if one has Lalita. - Original Message - From: "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios > Ok, I've downloaded all the CL audio files and uploaded them to my > webserver. > > http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/ > > To make things a bit more organized, I put the MMY and CL files into > their own designated subfolders. Keep in mind, though, that they'll > probably download a lot quicker off the original www.box.net URLs. > > One morning last week, the web server bogged down to a crawl, and I > don't know if it was some kind of denial of service attack or simply > too many people trying to access it at once, so if you have any > difficulty downloading files, check back later and try again. And, > please don't just play them live in your web browser; right click (or > the Mac/Linux/etc. equivalent) and save the files to your hard drive. > > The machine hosting those files is an old desktop PC that I bought new > in 1999, and it probably doesn't take much to overwhelm its little 733 > MHz Pentium III. So, please download files one at a time. Thanks! > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/z5dh8vce26 >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/emxrsfx1b3 >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/1bc3mf10af >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/dxv2qcimkv >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/7xjcul2zii >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/mi5o1zq39q >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/rhmal2y4jn >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/i8zchc5zk3 >> > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
Baay By, it be slow. At this rate I'll never - Original Message - From: "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios > Ok, I've downloaded all the CL audio files and uploaded them to my > webserver. > > http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/ > > To make things a bit more organized, I put the MMY and CL files into > their own designated subfolders. Keep in mind, though, that they'll > probably download a lot quicker off the original www.box.net URLs. > > One morning last week, the web server bogged down to a crawl, and I > don't know if it was some kind of denial of service attack or simply > too many people trying to access it at once, so if you have any > difficulty downloading files, check back later and try again. And, > please don't just play them live in your web browser; right click (or > the Mac/Linux/etc. equivalent) and save the files to your hard drive. > > The machine hosting those files is an old desktop PC that I bought new > in 1999, and it probably doesn't take much to overwhelm its little 733 > MHz Pentium III. So, please download files one at a time. Thanks! > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/z5dh8vce26 >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/emxrsfx1b3 >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/1bc3mf10af >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/dxv2qcimkv >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/7xjcul2zii >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/mi5o1zq39q >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/rhmal2y4jn >> >> http://www.box.net/shared/i8zchc5zk3 >> > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
Charlie didn't lack integrity he soaked up too much Manly P Hall. - Original Message - From: "Duveyoung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios > I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. > > I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his > prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him > predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a > "finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside > the pyramid." When I personally asked him about this prediction a > decade later, he denied ever saying it. > > I think anyone who predicts anything that doesn't come true should be > held up to a strong light, and Charlie, for whatever good he did by > being inspirational, blew any good karma he'd gained thereby by his > utter disregard for integrity. > > What next? Andy Rymer "how to rape a child right in front of their > parents" tapes? Harold Bloomfield's "drug and rape" tapes? Ed > Beckeley's "sucker the poor and rape tapes? Kaplan's "how to have a > bigger dick than Chris Hartnett" tapes? Bevan and John's "how to get > into a married woman's pants" tapes? Johnny and Barbara's "how I > faked scholarship and only paid 20 bucks for the diploma and still > made millions" tapes? > > Some legacy of the TMO, eh? > > Yeah, stock the tapes -- right on the same shelf as the "get > enlightened for one million dollars -- but wait, act within the next > ten minutes and get this Burger King crown too!" tapes. > > Edg > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of Alex Stanley >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:00 AM >> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios >> >> >> >> Ok, I've downloaded all the CL audio files and uploaded them to my >> webserver. >> >> HYPERLINK > "http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/"http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/ >> >> I'll link to that from the links section, rather than to all the > individual >> ones on box. >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: > 8/26/2007 >> 9:34 PM >> > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's interesting that Barry brought up that he secretly > recorded parts of Charlie's lectures. Now I know who the > asshole was who did it. But what Barry didn't tell you, > is that the tapes were doctored [I don't know if Barry > was in on the doctoring] to make it look like Charlie > was contradicting Maharishi. Mr. I-used-to-have-a-spine-until-I-met-Judy-Stein- and-learned-to-kiss-ass-for-a-living has his facts mixed up with self-importance fantasies. I made a couple of tapes, and turned them over to the Regional Coordinator in question, and he played them *verbatim* for Charlie when he denied saying these things. We heard later that Charlie had made up a story about "doctored tapes," but anyone who used to listen to him knows that no "doctoring" was necessary. Charlie was caught cold doing what he'd always done, and as usual found a way to lie his ass off and convince the toadies who kissed that ass on a regular basis that it was Someone Else's Fault. > I got that from two insiders who directly knew about > it. Yeah, right...a couple of Charlie ass-kissers like John who believed anything he told them. :-) And note the use of the elitist, "special" term "insiders." > This is the extent to which certain people hated Charlie ... Ever notice how people with self-importance fantasies always seem to come up with stories about the people *they* are jealous of hating them? :-) Charlie was the king at this, and managed to convince most of the ass-kissers that he was being "persecuted" by Jerry's evil minions. What John's not telling you is that he's still pissed at Jerry for chasing him out of a meeting he wasn't supposed to be in. Like his mentor on AMT, and like Charlie himself, the only spiritual lesson John seems to have learned is how to hold a grudge for decades. :-) > and it was on this basis that smears about Charlie began > to permeate the TMO via Jarvis' little kingdom and poison > the well for Charlie. And Charlie had *nothing* to do with it. Yeah, right. :-) Again, ever notice how the poor, persecuted self- important ones are *never* responsible for anything they say and do? It's always the fault of the evil lesser beings who persecute them. :-) The bottom line with "Charlie's troops" is that they liked to consider themselves "special," and *above* those lesser TM types. And they still do. And they get a little crazy when someone suggests that they were *never* terribly important or special, still aren't, and will never be. Except at ass-kissing, that is. At that they excel. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --I don't know about Jesus in a spaceship, but Charlie claimed he was > an incarnationof Alexander the Great. Yes. He did say that in a lecture or two. > > > In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" > wrote: > > > > I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he > made such > > > > a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. > > > > > > I heard Charlie say exactly what I say he said at the Berkeley TM > > > Center in front of hundreds of people who paid $15.00 for the > lecture. > > > > > > dolrflex, are you still going to say I'm a liar when there's > probably > > > hundreds of folks I could get to testify to the same statements > I've > > made? > > > > > > If so, tell me how deep your pockets are. If deep enough, I'll > sue > > > your ass. > > > > > > Anyone else want some of this action? Anyone else in Berkeley > that day? > > > > > > Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? > > > > > > Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > You reveal yourself as a hostile, low-life asshole by your behavior > > here. And I DO think you're lying about Charlie saying that Jesus > > would come in a spaceship. He may have used that as an example of > what > > some new agers might wish for, but he certainly didn't claim Jesus > > would come in a spaceship. > > > > So sue me, fuckhead. I think you're a liar. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--I don't know about Jesus in a spaceship, but Charlie claimed he was an incarnationof Alexander the Great. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such > > > a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. > > > > I heard Charlie say exactly what I say he said at the Berkeley TM > > Center in front of hundreds of people who paid $15.00 for the lecture. > > > > dolrflex, are you still going to say I'm a liar when there's probably > > hundreds of folks I could get to testify to the same statements I've > made? > > > > If so, tell me how deep your pockets are. If deep enough, I'll sue > > your ass. > > > > Anyone else want some of this action? Anyone else in Berkeley that day? > > > > Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? > > > > Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! > > > > Edg > > > You reveal yourself as a hostile, low-life asshole by your behavior > here. And I DO think you're lying about Charlie saying that Jesus > would come in a spaceship. He may have used that as an example of what > some new agers might wish for, but he certainly didn't claim Jesus > would come in a spaceship. > > So sue me, fuckhead. I think you're a liar. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? > > > > Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/129912 > > do.rflex is John Manning. He is part of FFL's AMT crowd > (alt.meditation.transcendental, which is where Judy, Barry, I, and > other FFLers used to hang out.) You can get a feeling for who he is by > browsing his AMT posts on Google Groups: In my observation, John is a straight arrow who don't take no sh*t from nobody. > > http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such > > a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. > > I heard Charlie say exactly what I say he said at the Berkeley TM > Center in front of hundreds of people who paid $15.00 for the lecture. > > dolrflex, are you still going to say I'm a liar when there's probably > hundreds of folks I could get to testify to the same statements I've made? > > If so, tell me how deep your pockets are. If deep enough, I'll sue > your ass. > > Anyone else want some of this action? Anyone else in Berkeley that day? > > Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? > > Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! > > Edg You reveal yourself as a hostile, low-life asshole by your behavior here. And I DO think you're lying about Charlie saying that Jesus would come in a spaceship. He may have used that as an example of what some new agers might wish for, but he certainly didn't claim Jesus would come in a spaceship. So sue me, fuckhead. I think you're a liar.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--Thanks, I sent the audio tape addresses to Jerry Jarvis. He should be amused. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them > didn't > > seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi's > teachings. > > They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and > in an > > exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive > access to > > the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this > > impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he > had read > > in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember one guy > arguing that > > Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened "because he had been meditating 15 > > years." > > > In my perspective in those days, the do-as-you're-told > follow-the-image crowd in the TMO, mostly represented by Jerry Jarvis > and his clique, despised Charlie because Charlie didn't conform to > their commonly adopted phony bullshit 'smiles' and 'calmness' image > and performance. Charlie DID speak from his own experience while most > others just parroted what the party line happened to be at the time. > Charlie's presence and manner made those phony asses very > uncomfortable. Sincere TMers who weren't into that fake appearances > nonsense would very much enjoy and appreciate the refreshing > difference that Charlie expressed. > > It's interesting that Barry brought up that he secretly recorded parts > of Charlie's lectures. Now I know who the asshole was who did it. But > what Barry didn't tell you, is that the tapes were doctored [I don't > know if Barry was in on the doctoring] to make it look like Charlie > was contradicting Maharishi. I got that from two insiders who directly > knew about it. This is the extent to which certain people hated > Charlie and it was on this basis that smears about Charlie began to > permeate the TMO via Jarvis' little kingdom and poison the well for > Charlie. > > What's amazing to me is, in spite of the crap he was subjected to, > how well Charlie handled it and how unwaveringly he supported TM and > encouraged TMers throughout the whole latter part of his life until he > got too sick to continue. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them > didn't > > seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi's > teachings. > > They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and > in an > > exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive > access to > > the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this > > impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he > had read > > in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember one guy > arguing that > > Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened "because he had been meditating 15 > > years." > > I think your comment has some merit, vis-a-vis how 'others' saw > Charlie, I've met a few myself, but that's them, not him. Charlie was > not a perfect being..he had flaws, so who doesn't? He was MMY's > biggest Champion, IMO. Indeed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them didn't > seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi's teachings. > They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an > exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive access to > the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this > impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he had read > in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember one guy arguing that > Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened "because he had been meditating 15 > years." In my perspective in those days, the do-as-you're-told follow-the-image crowd in the TMO, mostly represented by Jerry Jarvis and his clique, despised Charlie because Charlie didn't conform to their commonly adopted phony bullshit 'smiles' and 'calmness' image and performance. Charlie DID speak from his own experience while most others just parroted what the party line happened to be at the time. Charlie's presence and manner made those phony asses very uncomfortable. Sincere TMers who weren't into that fake appearances nonsense would very much enjoy and appreciate the refreshing difference that Charlie expressed. It's interesting that Barry brought up that he secretly recorded parts of Charlie's lectures. Now I know who the asshole was who did it. But what Barry didn't tell you, is that the tapes were doctored [I don't know if Barry was in on the doctoring] to make it look like Charlie was contradicting Maharishi. I got that from two insiders who directly knew about it. This is the extent to which certain people hated Charlie and it was on this basis that smears about Charlie began to permeate the TMO via Jarvis' little kingdom and poison the well for Charlie. What's amazing to me is, in spite of the crap he was subjected to, how well Charlie handled it and how unwaveringly he supported TM and encouraged TMers throughout the whole latter part of his life until he got too sick to continue.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
Now why on earth (!) shouldn't Jesus from Nazareth, now incarnated as > the Master Jesus, residing in Italy for the last 500 or so, go for a > ride in a spaceship from time to time ? Personally I do not find that > strange at all. There is also no reason to doubt that Charlie Lutes > was well aware of these travels. You guys have all this shit mixed up I know because I was Jesus, the real one and it was a fucked existance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? > > > > Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/129912 > > do.rflex is John Manning. He is part of FFL's AMT crowd > (alt.meditation.transcendental, which is where Judy, Barry, I, and > other FFLers used to hang out.) You can get a feeling for who he is >by > browsing his AMT posts on Google Groups: > > http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search Oh NO!! :-0
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
He once said Rosicrucian Cosmo Conception was his bible. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them didn’t seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi’s teachings. They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he had read in esoteric books, but they didn’t buy it. I remember one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened “because he had been meditating 15 years.” No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us > > > here. > > > > > > I think just about everyone has posted something negative about > > > his prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally > > > heard him predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there > > > would be a "finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth > > > parked inside the pyramid." When I personally asked him about > > > this prediction a decade later, he denied ever saying it. > > > > [snip] > > > > I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made > > such a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. > > Hell hath no fury like someone who's been taken > in by a charlatan for 20 years. :-) > > I'm just going to sit back and enjoy Edg taking > John to the cleaners over this one. Unlike him, > I can't claim to be omniscient about what Edg > heard and didn't hear. :-) > > What I can be more than a little certain about > is Charlie's tendency to lie with a straight > face. There was a time when International Staff > was getting reports of odd things he was reported > to be saying in his Friday night meetings -- stuff > about space aliens and Jesus reappearing, etc. So > the Regional Office assigned me to go to a few of > his talks to find out. > > I did, because Charlie's on a Friday night was the > best pickup spot in town. :-) Charlie talked a blue > streak in those meetings, about all sorts of stuff > that was clearly "off the program," and worse, he > *never made a distinction between what was stuff > he read in books or made up himself and what > Maharishi taught*. He just lumped it all together, > so the people in the audience were left with the > impression that it all came from Maharishi. > > I reported back what I had heard, and even gave > them tape recordings I had made on my little mini- > recorder. When asked a little later by one of the > Regional Coordinators whether he'd said these things, > Charlie denied ever having said a word of it. Where- > upon the RC played Charlie the tape. Charlie supposedly > (I wasn't there at the time, thank god, or I'd prob- > ably still have an astral Charlie on my ass from beyond > the grave) stormed out of the room red-faced. > > Did Charlie Lutes lie? Like a rug. > > But then so do most human beings, especially those > who lie to themselves a lot. > > I now leave John in the loving hands of Edg, whom > he has called a liar. May John R.I.P. :-) Your long term reputation for self-serving bullshit precedes you Barry. And your attempts to outdo those who see through your elaborately constructed ego trip are transparent. You're you're own worst enemy. After all of your varied 'experiences' which you hold as a support to your act, you're still a fraud. I'm not the only one who sees it clearly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? > > Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/129912 do.rflex is John Manning. He is part of FFL's AMT crowd (alt.meditation.transcendental, which is where Judy, Barry, I, and other FFLers used to hang out.) You can get a feeling for who he is by browsing his AMT posts on Google Groups: http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. > > Most of them didn't seem to care whether or not Charlie > > was representing Maharishi's teachings. They considered > > Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an > > exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or > > intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think > > Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always > > argued that he was merely parroting things he had read > > in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember > > one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened > > "because he had been meditating 15 years." > > Let's face it...after years of promises and > no delivery on them, TMers were just prime > sucker bait. Charlie had a personal following long before neganaughtery became the order of the day. They'd flock around *anyone* > who pretended to be knowledgeable or who > would tell them Woo Woo stuff they couldn't > get from Maharishi or the regular TM teachers. You realize you just contradicted yourself here, right? > Just look at the numbers > of TMers who are impressed by someone who can > zap them with a bit of minor shakti. After > years and years of nothing, they look upon > even the smallest something as if it's mean- > ingful and the best thing since sliced bread. What numbers would those be, Barry? > And, before anyone comes rushing in to accuse > me of "TM bashing" again You're TM- and TMer-bashing again. , this phenomenon is > NOT limited to TM and TMers. It's across the > board, in almost every spiritual trip I've > ever encountered. People bring their desires > to see and hear flashy stuff to the ball with > them, and *of course* the teachers dance with > them and tell them exactly what they want to > hear. Except that above you claimed the TMers were after the "Woo Woo stuff [TMers] *couldn't get* from Maharishi or the regular TM teachers" (my emphasis). And you go on to make the same assertion: > And [the TMers] knew that they > couldn't get this stuff from Maharishi or the > "straight" TM teachers. So they flocked around > Charlie because he made them feel all superior > and special. Plus which, you're contradicting one of your most-often-used mantras, about how TMers were taken in by MMY because *he made them feel all superior and special*. Now, in the interests of bashing Charlie and, of course, TMers again, the TMers flocked to Charlie because MMY *didn't* make them feel all superior and special, according to you. You're trying to bash TMers, TM, MMY, and Charlie all at once with the same stick, and you've ended up in one of your usual rhetorical muddles. *Sounds* good, but it doesn't make any sense. And people eat it up, because it makes > them feel all special to know things that > lesser, not-as-special-as-we-are humans don't. Did you ever ask yourself whether you might be projecting this tendency on others because it's how *you* feel, but not necessarily how everybody else feels? I mean, it sure looks to me as though you're describing your own repeated boasting about what you experienced with Lenz: "I saw levitation and golden light and all kinds of other neat stuff and you didn't, nyah-nyah!"
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us > here. > > > > > > I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his > > > prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him > > > predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a > > > "finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside > > > the pyramid." When I personally asked him about this prediction a > > > decade later, he denied ever saying it. > > > > [snip] > > > > I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such > > a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. > > Jesus in a space ship? First time I've heard of it, and anyway who > cares! Charlie's contribution far outweighs any off color comments he > *may* have made, this particular allegation would be *atypical*, his > lectures speak for themselves! Now why on earth (!) shouldn't Jesus from Nazareth, now incarnated as the Master Jesus, residing in Italy for the last 500 or so, go for a ride in a spaceship from time to time ? Personally I do not find that strange at all. There is also no reason to doubt that Charlie Lutes was well aware of these travels.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip and get this Burger King crown too!" tapes. > > > > Edg > > > I appreciate the tapes, both for the quality of Charlie's voice, > combined with what he says. I am not looking for predictions. > > As for your remaining litany, I am sure that you are aware that no > matter how closely you peer at and examine your bondage, it will not > magically transform itself into freedom. Though you may be able to > revalidate its unremitting darkness, and that can be helpful.:-) I still think getting a checking would be of great help :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such > a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. I heard Charlie say exactly what I say he said at the Berkeley TM Center in front of hundreds of people who paid $15.00 for the lecture. dolrflex, are you still going to say I'm a liar when there's probably hundreds of folks I could get to testify to the same statements I've made? If so, tell me how deep your pockets are. If deep enough, I'll sue your ass. Anyone else want some of this action? Anyone else in Berkeley that day? Who is do.rflex? What's the low down on him? What's the skinny? Fill me with negativity about do.rflex -- I'm in slurping mode! Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let's face it...after years of promises and > no delivery on them, TMers were just prime > sucker bait. They'd flock around *anyone* > who pretended to be knowledgeable or who > would tell them Woo Woo stuff they couldn't > get from Maharishi or the regular TM teachers. > > Spice up the Woo Woo stories with a liberal > dash of "You're special because you're here > hearing all this special knowledge," and you've > got a sure-fire mini-cult on your hands. And in > my opinion that's exactly what Charlie wanted, > and got. > > It all comes back to my rap the other day on > Not Easily Impressed. People who *are* easily > impressed by a good line of bullshit straight > from a Theosophical Society book are just > sucker bait waiting for a sucker to take > advantage of them. Just look at the numbers > of TMers who are impressed by someone who can > zap them with a bit of minor shakti. After > years and years of nothing, they look upon > even the smallest something as if it's mean- > ingful and the best thing since sliced bread. > > And, before anyone comes rushing in to accuse > me of "TM bashing" again, this phenomenon is > NOT limited to TM and TMers. It's across the > board, in almost every spiritual trip I've > ever encountered. People bring their desires > to see and hear flashy stuff to the ball with > them, and *of course* the teachers dance with > them and tell them exactly what they want to > hear. And people eat it up, because it makes > them feel all special to know things that > lesser, not-as-special-as-we-are humans don't. > > Why do you think Nabby like Benny Creme? Same > thing, in spades. Tell people they're hearing > the "real stuff," directly from the disembodied > Great Savior Of Mankind Who Never Shows Up, and > they pee all over themselves with "specialness." > > Charlie Lutes was just a guy who had read a lot > of silly shit, that's all. He laid it on thick > because the people in the audiences *wanted* > him to lay it on thick. And they knew that they > couldn't get this stuff from Maharishi or the > "straight" TM teachers. So they flocked around > Charlie because he made them feel all superior > and special. > > And clearly, they still do, because believing > that Charlie was just an ordinary guy who could > sling a line of Someone Else's Bullshit pretty > well would mean that maybe they *aren't* so > special after all. And that's unthinkable. The peanut gallery is never short on comments
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. > Most of them didn't seem to care whether or not Charlie > was representing Maharishi's teachings. They considered > Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an > exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or > intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think > Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always > argued that he was merely parroting things he had read > in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember > one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened > "because he had been meditating 15 years." Let's face it...after years of promises and no delivery on them, TMers were just prime sucker bait. They'd flock around *anyone* who pretended to be knowledgeable or who would tell them Woo Woo stuff they couldn't get from Maharishi or the regular TM teachers. Spice up the Woo Woo stories with a liberal dash of "You're special because you're here hearing all this special knowledge," and you've got a sure-fire mini-cult on your hands. And in my opinion that's exactly what Charlie wanted, and got. It all comes back to my rap the other day on Not Easily Impressed. People who *are* easily impressed by a good line of bullshit straight from a Theosophical Society book are just sucker bait waiting for a sucker to take advantage of them. Just look at the numbers of TMers who are impressed by someone who can zap them with a bit of minor shakti. After years and years of nothing, they look upon even the smallest something as if it's mean- ingful and the best thing since sliced bread. And, before anyone comes rushing in to accuse me of "TM bashing" again, this phenomenon is NOT limited to TM and TMers. It's across the board, in almost every spiritual trip I've ever encountered. People bring their desires to see and hear flashy stuff to the ball with them, and *of course* the teachers dance with them and tell them exactly what they want to hear. And people eat it up, because it makes them feel all special to know things that lesser, not-as-special-as-we-are humans don't. Why do you think Nabby like Benny Creme? Same thing, in spades. Tell people they're hearing the "real stuff," directly from the disembodied Great Savior Of Mankind Who Never Shows Up, and they pee all over themselves with "specialness." Charlie Lutes was just a guy who had read a lot of silly shit, that's all. He laid it on thick because the people in the audiences *wanted* him to lay it on thick. And they knew that they couldn't get this stuff from Maharishi or the "straight" TM teachers. So they flocked around Charlie because he made them feel all superior and special. And clearly, they still do, because believing that Charlie was just an ordinary guy who could sling a line of Someone Else's Bullshit pretty well would mean that maybe they *aren't* so special after all. And that's unthinkable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them didn't > seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi's teachings. > They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an > exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive access to > the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this > impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he had read > in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember one guy arguing that > Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened "because he had been meditating 15 > years." I think your comment has some merit, vis-a-vis how 'others' saw Charlie, I've met a few myself, but that's them, not him. Charlie was not a perfect being..he had flaws, so who doesn't? He was MMY's biggest Champion, IMO.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
On Aug 27, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Duveyoung wrote: I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a "finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside the pyramid." When I personally asked him about this prediction a decade later, he denied ever saying it. The value of both the CL and the MMY tapes is the interesting insight gained from the perspective of time which has passed. For me, both sound like hucksters fudgin' their way thru a script they barely knew--as in the 'Mahesh teaches about the chakras' lecture. 30 years ago I would've been rapt with delight at every word. Now it just sounds like schlock to me. I did have the strange idea of redoing my driveway in concrete after listening to ole Charlie though.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. Most of them didn’t seem to care whether or not Charlie was representing Maharishi’s teachings. They considered Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always argued that he was merely parroting things he had read in esoteric books, but they didn’t buy it. I remember one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened “because he had been meditating 15 years.” No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hell hath no fury like someone who's been taken > in by a charlatan for 20 years. :-) > > I'm just going to sit back and enjoy Edg taking > John to the cleaners over this one. Unlike him, > I can't claim to be omniscient about what Edg > heard and didn't hear. :-) > > What I can be more than a little certain about > is Charlie's tendency to lie with a straight > face. There was a time when International Staff > was getting reports of odd things he was reported > to be saying in his Friday night meetings -- stuff > about space aliens and Jesus reappearing, etc. So > the Regional Office assigned me to go to a few of > his talks to find out. > > I did, because Charlie's on a Friday night was the > best pickup spot in town. How would you know since you only visited a few times? Please don't embellish your otherwise good commentary! And, btw, I never got 'lucky' at SRM..I tried! I know a buddy of mine did, but I digress. :-) Charlie talked a blue > streak in those meetings, about all sorts of stuff > that was clearly "off the program," and worse, he > *never made a distinction between what was stuff > he read in books or made up himself and what > Maharishi taught*. He just lumped it all together, > so the people in the audience were left with the > impression that it all came from Maharishi. That's because he wasn't a programmed idiot like some 'on' the 'program'.you dig? Truth is ONE amigo! snort! > I reported back what I had heard, and even gave > them tape recordings I had made on my little mini- > recorder. You little traitor...and a spy to boot, how low! >When asked a little later by one of the > Regional Coordinators whether he'd said these things, > Charlie denied ever having said a word of it. Where- > upon the RC played Charlie the tape. Charlie supposedly > (I wasn't there at the time, thank god, or I'd prob- > ably still have an astral Charlie on my ass from beyond > the grave) stormed out of the room red-faced. Ha, ha...good story, 'supposedly' would be the operative word here, Si? > Did Charlie Lutes lie? Like a rug. Where'd you get that line? > But then so do most human beings, especially those > who lie to themselves a lot. Like yourself? > I now leave John in the loving hands of Edg, whom > he has called a liar. May John R.I.P. :- Do I hear 'buffoon'?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. > > > > I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his > > prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him > > predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a > > "finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside > > the pyramid." When I personally asked him about this prediction a > > decade later, he denied ever saying it. > > [snip] > > I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such > a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. Jesus in a space ship? First time I've heard of it, and anyway who cares! Charlie's contribution far outweighs any off color comments he *may* have made, this particular allegation would be *atypical*, his lectures speak for themselves!
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us > > here. > > > > I think just about everyone has posted something negative about > > his prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally > > heard him predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there > > would be a "finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth > > parked inside the pyramid." When I personally asked him about > > this prediction a decade later, he denied ever saying it. > > [snip] > > I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made > such a claim about Jesus in a spaceship. Hell hath no fury like someone who's been taken in by a charlatan for 20 years. :-) I'm just going to sit back and enjoy Edg taking John to the cleaners over this one. Unlike him, I can't claim to be omniscient about what Edg heard and didn't hear. :-) What I can be more than a little certain about is Charlie's tendency to lie with a straight face. There was a time when International Staff was getting reports of odd things he was reported to be saying in his Friday night meetings -- stuff about space aliens and Jesus reappearing, etc. So the Regional Office assigned me to go to a few of his talks to find out. I did, because Charlie's on a Friday night was the best pickup spot in town. :-) Charlie talked a blue streak in those meetings, about all sorts of stuff that was clearly "off the program," and worse, he *never made a distinction between what was stuff he read in books or made up himself and what Maharishi taught*. He just lumped it all together, so the people in the audience were left with the impression that it all came from Maharishi. I reported back what I had heard, and even gave them tape recordings I had made on my little mini- recorder. When asked a little later by one of the Regional Coordinators whether he'd said these things, Charlie denied ever having said a word of it. Where- upon the RC played Charlie the tape. Charlie supposedly (I wasn't there at the time, thank god, or I'd prob- ably still have an astral Charlie on my ass from beyond the grave) stormed out of the room red-faced. Did Charlie Lutes lie? Like a rug. But then so do most human beings, especially those who lie to themselves a lot. I now leave John in the loving hands of Edg, whom he has called a liar. May John R.I.P. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. > > I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his > prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him > predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a > "finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside > the pyramid." When I personally asked him about this prediction a > decade later, he denied ever saying it. [snip] I knew Charlie personally for 20 years. You're lying that he made such a claim about Jesus in a spaceship.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. > > I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his > prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him > predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a > "finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside > the pyramid." When I personally asked him about this prediction a > decade later, he denied ever saying it. > > I think anyone who predicts anything that doesn't come true should be > held up to a strong light, and Charlie, for whatever good he did by > being inspirational, blew any good karma he'd gained thereby by his > utter disregard for integrity. > > What next? Andy Rymer "how to rape a child right in front of their > parents" tapes? Harold Bloomfield's "drug and rape" tapes? Ed > Beckeley's "sucker the poor and rape tapes? Kaplan's "how to have a > bigger dick than Chris Hartnett" tapes? Bevan and John's "how to get > into a married woman's pants" tapes? Johnny and Barbara's "how I > faked scholarship and only paid 20 bucks for the diploma and still > made millions" tapes? > > Some legacy of the TMO, eh? > > Yeah, stock the tapes -- right on the same shelf as the "get > enlightened for one million dollars -- but wait, act within the next > ten minutes and get this Burger King crown too!" tapes. > > Edg > I appreciate the tapes, both for the quality of Charlie's voice, combined with what he says. I am not looking for predictions. As for your remaining litany, I am sure that you are aware that no matter how closely you peer at and examine your bondage, it will not magically transform itself into freedom. Though you may be able to revalidate its unremitting darkness, and that can be helpful.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
I'm wondering what value Charlie Lutes tapes have for most of us here. I think just about everyone has posted something negative about his prognostications -- my contribution was that I personally heard him predict that in a couple years (1974 at the time) there would be a "finding of the space ship Jesus used to come to earth parked inside the pyramid." When I personally asked him about this prediction a decade later, he denied ever saying it. I think anyone who predicts anything that doesn't come true should be held up to a strong light, and Charlie, for whatever good he did by being inspirational, blew any good karma he'd gained thereby by his utter disregard for integrity. What next? Andy Rymer "how to rape a child right in front of their parents" tapes? Harold Bloomfield's "drug and rape" tapes? Ed Beckeley's "sucker the poor and rape tapes? Kaplan's "how to have a bigger dick than Chris Hartnett" tapes? Bevan and John's "how to get into a married woman's pants" tapes? Johnny and Barbara's "how I faked scholarship and only paid 20 bucks for the diploma and still made millions" tapes? Some legacy of the TMO, eh? Yeah, stock the tapes -- right on the same shelf as the "get enlightened for one million dollars -- but wait, act within the next ten minutes and get this Burger King crown too!" tapes. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Alex Stanley > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:00 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios > > > > Ok, I've downloaded all the CL audio files and uploaded them to my > webserver. > > HYPERLINK "http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/"http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/ > > I'll link to that from the links section, rather than to all the individual > ones on box. > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 > 9:34 PM >
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:00 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios Ok, I've downloaded all the CL audio files and uploaded them to my webserver. HYPERLINK "http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/"http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/ I’ll link to that from the links section, rather than to all the individual ones on box. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 8/26/2007 9:34 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 more Charlie Lutes audios
Ok, I've downloaded all the CL audio files and uploaded them to my webserver. http://alex.natel.net/ffl/audio/ To make things a bit more organized, I put the MMY and CL files into their own designated subfolders. Keep in mind, though, that they'll probably download a lot quicker off the original www.box.net URLs. One morning last week, the web server bogged down to a crawl, and I don't know if it was some kind of denial of service attack or simply too many people trying to access it at once, so if you have any difficulty downloading files, check back later and try again. And, please don't just play them live in your web browser; right click (or the Mac/Linux/etc. equivalent) and save the files to your hard drive. The machine hosting those files is an old desktop PC that I bought new in 1999, and it probably doesn't take much to overwhelm its little 733 MHz Pentium III. So, please download files one at a time. Thanks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.box.net/shared/z5dh8vce26 > > http://www.box.net/shared/emxrsfx1b3 > > http://www.box.net/shared/1bc3mf10af > > http://www.box.net/shared/dxv2qcimkv > > http://www.box.net/shared/7xjcul2zii > > http://www.box.net/shared/mi5o1zq39q > > http://www.box.net/shared/rhmal2y4jn > > http://www.box.net/shared/i8zchc5zk3 >
