[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! Yes, and aren't we all God, or so some have postulated? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. First, I would have to define what it is to "know" God. Have I realized he/she/it exists? Have I become enlightened? Have I seen he/she/it? Do I live the "reality" of God every moment? Did I realize him/her/it for a while and later lost that? How do I define "artificial intelligence" beyond the circuits and electronics of it? I don't, I can't understand what another's experience is, let alone a circuit board's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
Ann, Please, read my reply to Salyavin reply regarding the difference between believing and knowing. IMO, the human brain with its body is capable of knowing the Divine Being. The obstacle to this knowledge is the human ego, which often thinks that it is the god and nothing else is above it. Hence, we have the story of disobedience on the part of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. However, when enlightenment occurs in a human being, the human mind and It are one residing in the human body. As such, the fortunate human being can truly live heaven here on earth. But, as we can see, humans are still functioning at the gross level of the ego which is the cause of wars, violence, greed and poverty. Suffice is it to say that it's not far above animal existence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. First, I would have to define what it is to "know" God. Have I realized he/she/it exists? Have I become enlightened? Have I seen he/she/it? Do I live the "reality" of God every moment? Did I realize him/her/it for a while and later lost that? How do I define "artificial intelligence" beyond the circuits and electronics of it? I don't, I can't understand what another's experience is, let alone a circuit board's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, Please, read my reply to Salyavin reply regarding the difference between believing and knowing. IMO, the human brain with its body is capable of knowing the Divine Being. The obstacle to this knowledge is the human ego, which often thinks that it is the god and nothing else is above it. Hence, we have the story of disobedience on the part of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. However, when enlightenment occurs in a human being, the human mind and It are one residing in the human body. As such, the fortunate human being can truly live heaven here on earth. But, as we can see, humans are still functioning at the gross level of the ego which is the cause of wars, violence, greed and poverty. Suffice is it to say that it's not far above animal existence. I often experience it to be far below animal experience and I mean this very sincerely. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. First, I would have to define what it is to "know" God. Have I realized he/she/it exists? Have I become enlightened? Have I seen he/she/it? Do I live the "reality" of God every moment? Did I realize him/her/it for a while and later lost that? How do I define "artificial intelligence" beyond the circuits and electronics of it? I don't, I can't understand what another's experience is, let alone a circuit board's. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
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Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry. #yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796 -- #yiv6277951796ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796ygrp-mkp #yiv6277951796hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796ygrp-mkp #yiv6277951796ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796ygrp-mkp .yiv6277951796ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796ygrp-mkp .yiv6277951796ad p {margin:0;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796ygrp-mkp .yiv6277951796ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796ygrp-sponsor #yiv6277951796ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796ygrp-sponsor #yiv6277951796ygrp-lc #yiv6277951796hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796ygrp-sponsor #yiv6277951796ygrp-lc .yiv6277951796ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796activity span .yiv6277951796underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6277951796 .yiv6277951796attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv6277951796 .yiv6277951796attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6277951796 .yiv6277951796attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv6277951796 .yiv6277951796attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv6277951796 .yiv6277951796attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6277951796 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv6277951796 .yiv6277951796bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv6277951796 .yiv6277951796bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6277951796 dd.yiv6277951796last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv6277951796 dd.yiv6277951796last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv6277951796 dd.yiv6277951796last p span.yiv6277951796yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv6277951796 div.yiv6277951796attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6277951796 div.yiv6277951796attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv6277951796 div.yiv6277951796file-title a, #yiv6277951796 div.yiv6277951796file-title a:active, #yiv6277951796 div.yiv6277951796file-title a:hover, #yiv6277951796 div.yiv6277951796file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6277951796 div.yiv6277951796photo-title a, #yiv6277951796 div.yiv6277951796photo-title a:active, #yiv6277951796 div.yiv6277951796photo-title a:hover, #yiv6277951796 div.yiv6277951796photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv6277951796 div#yiv6277951796ygrp-mlmsg #yiv6277951796ygrp-msg p a span.yiv6277951796yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv6277951796 .yiv6277951796green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv6277951796 .yiv6277951796MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv6277951796 o {font-size:0;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv6277951796 #yiv6277951796photos div div {border:1px solid #66;height:62px;overflo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: But labeling something a god is surely belief? From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
Salyavin, I'm gonna combine your two responses, one to me and one to JR, and respond to both. Here's our exchange: Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: But labeling something a god is surely belief? Salyvin, if the first human labeled something "tree," was there a belief involved?! I think what you're getting at, esp in your response to JR, is that we label something as god or divine and these words have meanings that are problematic. But why are they? From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry. #yiv0039790807 #yiv0039790807 -- #yiv0039790807ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv0039790807 #yiv0039790807ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv0039790807 #yiv0039790807ygrp-mkp #yiv0039790807hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv0039790807 #yiv0039790807ygrp-mkp #yiv0039790807ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv0039790807 #yiv0039790807ygrp-mkp .yiv0039790807ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv0039790807 #yiv0039790807ygrp-mkp .yiv0039790807ad p {margin:0;}#yiv0039790807 #yiv0039790807ygrp-mkp .yiv0039790807ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv0039790807 #yiv0039790807ygrp-sponsor #yiv0039790807ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv0039790807 #yiv0039790807ygrp-sponsor #yiv0039790807ygrp-lc #yiv0039790807hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv0039790807 #yiv0039790807ygrp-sponsor #yiv0039790807ygrp-lc .yiv0039790807ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv0039790807 #yiv0039790807actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv0039790807 #yiv0039790807activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv0039790807 #yiv0039790807activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv0039790807 #yiv0039790807activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv0039790807 #yiv0039790807activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv0039790807 #yiv0039790807activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv0039790807 #yiv0039790807activity span .yiv0039790807underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0039790807 .yiv0039790807attach {clear:both;
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist?
Share, Please, read my reply to Salyavin regarding believing and knowing the Divine Being. When It is known, the human being can experience enlightenment which is the coexistence of the self and It in the human body while living in the world. This is what MMY was saying about living heaven here on earth. As a matter of fact, this is the message that Moses wanted to convey when he wrote about the Garden of Eden in Genesis of the Old Testament. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, I'm gonna combine your two responses, one to me and one to JR, and respond to both. Here's our exchange: Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: But labeling something a god is surely belief? Salyvin, if the first human labeled something "tree," was there a belief involved?! No, because a tree is actually there. If you called it "god" that would mean you thought it was more than a tree or you didn't have much of an opinion of god. I think what you're getting at, esp in your response to JR, is that we label something as god or divine and these words have meanings that are problematic. But why are they? Because we are making unwarranted assumptions about inner experiences with vast conceptual and historical baggage. Whatever we experience is some cool stuff going on inside. You can call it what you like but the term god has implications whatever god it is you believe in or want it to be. Mind you, at least it's an experience of something nice and profound which is more than most religious people get! From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
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Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote! Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Ryan Calo, from the University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our laws will have to adapt to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced with dif... View on www.dailymail.co.uk http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
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Salyavin, Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently or is it possible to regress once the apex of human life has been attained? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote! Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Ryan Calo, from the University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our laws will have to adapt to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced with dif... View on www.dailymail.co.uk http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
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Most humans don't even know what enlightenment is. Just look at FFL. Now for bots artificial enlightenment would be no electronic excitation just silence. If they like it then they'll just sit there doing nothing. Problem with robots taking over solved. On 07/20/2015 12:04 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Salyavin, Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently or is it possible to regress once the apex of human life has been attained? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote! Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html> image <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html> Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html> Ryan Calo, from the University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our laws will have to adapt to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced with dif... View on www.dailymail.co.uk <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html> Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: *From:* salyavin808 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently or is it possible to regress once the apex of human life has been attained? I can't say that I'm currently enlightened, I've got AC/DC pounding in the headphones and I'm off down the pub in a minute, so I'm guessing I won't be appearing on BATGAP any time soon. But I've been there, quite nice I suppose if you like that sort of thing. Not worth giving up a career for at the end of the day but you don't know at the time, especially with the brochures they hand out. Still, I'd rather know than not know if you see what I mean... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote! Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Ryan Calo, from the University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our laws will have to adapt to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced with dif... View on www.dailymail.co.uk http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3168081/Should-robots-human-rights-Act-regulate-killer-machines-multiply-demand-right-vote-warns-legal-expert.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Most humans don't even know what enlightenment is. Just look at FFL. Now for bots artificial enlightenment would be no electronic excitation just silence. If they like it then they'll just sit there doing nothing. Problem with robots taking over solved. If we tell them they can fly we could really start screwing some money out of them too. On 07/20/2015 12:04 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Salyavin, Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently or is it possible to regress once the apex of human life has been attained? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote! Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... Ryan Calo, from the University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our laws will have to adapt to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced with dif... View on www.dailymail.co.uk Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
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Bhairitu, You seem to agree with Kurzweil that AI can surpass human intelligence. But would a Divine Being want to live in a cold silicon chip or a quantum computer? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Most humans don't even know what enlightenment is. Just look at FFL. Now for bots artificial enlightenment would be no electronic excitation just silence. If they like it then they'll just sit there doing nothing. Problem with robots taking over solved. On 07/20/2015 12:04 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Salyavin, Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently or is it possible to regress once the apex of human life has been attained? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote! Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... Ryan Calo, from the University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our laws will have to adapt to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced with dif... View on www.dailymail.co.uk Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Bhairitu, You seem to agree with Kurzweil that AI can surpass human intelligence. But would a Divine Being want to live in a cold silicon chip or a quantum computer? Surely if it's a quantum computer it's already enlightened, at least according to the idea that quanta reside in the unified field of pure consciousness? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Most humans don't even know what enlightenment is. Just look at FFL. Now for bots artificial enlightenment would be no electronic excitation just silence. If they like it then they'll just sit there doing nothing. Problem with robots taking over solved. On 07/20/2015 12:04 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Salyavin, Now everyone here would like to know if you are enlightened currently or is it possible to regress once the apex of human life has been attained? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Enlightenment is nothing. These mutha's are going to want the vote! Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACHINES Right for ROBOTS? Act now to regulate KILLER MACH... Ryan Calo, from the University of Washington’s School of Law warns that our laws will have to adapt to robotics and artificial intelligence or be faced with dif... View on www.dailymail.co.uk Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:emptybill@... wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: But labeling something a god is surely belief? Using any label for just about anything is based on belief. The desire/impetus to label is based on belief. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, Believing is the initial cognition of a Divine Being after experiencing all of the information from the world through the five senses. Knowing a Divine Being is the stage of believing in which the mind is convinced of Its existence through the information from the senses. Enlightenment occurs when the mind and It are one and coexist in the body as it lives in the world. Convinced is a worrying word for me in this instance, labeling experiences as some sort of "other" is making unwarranted assumptions. I could call it all-round superniceness and it would be the same thing, it's us who call it divine and thus dump our needy baggage all over it. An artificial machine cannot experience the Divine as the human body can. Therefore, it cannot believe nor experience enlightenment. How do you know? If we build a machine that mimics ourselves perfectly, who are we to say that it can't have joyous experiences. No one alive can build that machine. Machines are not living cells and they are not sentient beings and never will be no matter how many "Terminator" movies you watch. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi salyavin, it's neither knowing nor believing. It's experiencing and then interpreting or labeling. I bet "believing" happens in its very own section of the brain. (-: From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can Artificial Enlightenment Exist? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, I don't believe artificial intelligence can know God. Knowing God requires a biological base, with a complicated connections of nerve cells in the brain and a body structure made of bones, flesh and blood. "Know" god? Don't we mean "believe"? I'm sure a computer could acquire beliefs about where it came from, probably worship it's creator, at least they won't be in error about who that is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This article is full of inaccurate generalities about Buddhism and shows ignorance about the foundations of the varied darshana-s of the Indian subcontinent. Since most current Euro-American "thinkers" who consider consciousness and AI are philosophical amateurs, this article is a display of truncated post-empirical/analytic musings. How about this question instead? Can an artificial intelligence know God? This is an equivalent counter-question, which means it is a panapoly of foolish assumptions posing as intelligent inquiry.