subject:"\[FairfieldLife\] Re\: First time on two feet"

On Feb 22, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 2/22/06 3:40 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard that MMY was once asked why Muslims, in general, were always so angry. He replied by saying that if it was your first time on two feet, you'd be angry too.I have heard that MMY said "deserts follow Islam round the world" Shame no-ones compiled a definitive MMY quote book, that would make interesting reading. He also said with regard to Christianity: "The religion of the desert is terrorizing the Mississippi." These are both very insightful comments IMO.People who are incarnating among these desert peoples are the same genetic descendents of peoples who survived mass starvation after the last ice age. A number of bizarre factors accompany these desert peoples: traditions of male and female genital mutilation, swaddling of babies to prevent crying, cranial deformation, and so on. Scientists who have studied desertification and global prana depletion (which inevitably accompanies desertification) note that the people who inhabit these regions will also possess the most hierarchical and patriarchal systems of belief, often including a severe lack of rights for both women and children. I would add tribal gods as opposed to universal gods seem to be a common component: "my god or you die" type thing. Reichians point out that these are also highly "armoured" peoples--cultures which indoctrinate and engender a tense muscular armor passed down since the time of the original mass starvation which prevents the free flow of life force/prana/orgone: bioenergetic bondage/domination and sadomasochism.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I heard that MMY was once asked why Muslims, in
 general, were always so angry. He replied by saying
 that if it was your first time on two feet, you'd be
 angry too.
 

My wild hypothesis is that especially those Muslim men
whose cc is done later in life tend to be angry because
they may realize that they are in average about half
an inch shorter than they could be, due to cc. That would mean some 4 
inches in body height!


 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 People who are incarnating among these desert peoples are the same  
 genetic descendents of peoples who survived mass starvation after the  
 last ice age. A number of bizarre factors accompany these desert  
 peoples: traditions of male and female genital mutilation, swaddling  
 of babies to prevent crying, cranial deformation, and so on.  
 Scientists who have studied desertification and global prana  
 depletion (which inevitably accompanies desertification) note that  
 the people who inhabit these regions will also possess the most  
 hierarchical and patriarchal systems of belief, often including a  
 severe lack of rights for both women and children. I would add tribal  
 gods as opposed to universal gods seem to be a common component: my  
 god or you die type thing. Reichians point out that these are also  
 highly armoured peoples--cultures which indoctrinate and engender a  
 tense muscular armor passed down since the time of the original mass  
 starvation which prevents the free flow of life force/prana/orgone:  
 bioenergetic bondage/domination and sadomasochism.


So Vaj, in your View, has there ever been any positive acts or
contibutions by Arabs or Muslims? 







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

On Feb 22, 2006, at 11:34 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People who are incarnating among these desert peoples are the same genetic descendents of peoples who survived mass starvation after the last ice age. A number of bizarre factors accompany these desert peoples: traditions of male and female genital mutilation, swaddling of babies to prevent crying, cranial deformation, and so on. Scientists who have studied desertification and global prana depletion (which inevitably accompanies desertification) note that the people who inhabit these regions will also possess the most hierarchical and patriarchal systems of belief, often including a severe lack of rights for both women and children. I would add tribal gods as opposed to universal gods seem to be a common component: "my god or you die" type thing. Reichians point out that these are also highly "armoured" peoples--cultures which indoctrinate and engender a tense muscular armor passed down since the time of the original mass starvation which prevents the free flow of life force/prana/orgone: bioenergetic bondage/domination and sadomasochism. So Vaj, in your View, has there ever been any positive acts or contibutions by Arabs or Muslims? Port administration? :-)Of course there has been--was that a real question?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Feb 22, 2006, at 11:34 AM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
 
  People who are incarnating among these desert peoples are the same
  genetic descendents of peoples who survived mass starvation after the
  last ice age. A number of bizarre factors accompany these desert
  peoples: traditions of male and female genital mutilation, swaddling
  of babies to prevent crying, cranial deformation, and so on.
  Scientists who have studied desertification and global prana
  depletion (which inevitably accompanies desertification) note that
  the people who inhabit these regions will also possess the most
  hierarchical and patriarchal systems of belief, often including a
  severe lack of rights for both women and children. I would add tribal
  gods as opposed to universal gods seem to be a common component: my
  god or you die type thing. Reichians point out that these are also
  highly armoured peoples--cultures which indoctrinate and engender a
  tense muscular armor passed down since the time of the original mass
  starvation which prevents the free flow of life force/prana/orgone:
  bioenergetic bondage/domination and sadomasochism.
 
 
 
  So Vaj, in your View, has there ever been any positive acts or
  contibutions by Arabs or Muslims?
 
 Port administration? :-)

haha, good one. Though ironic for a desert people.
 
 Of course there has been--was that a real question?

Yes. It was real. Your post could be read (not the same as intended)
as a deep, absolutist,  distorted  universal diatribe against all
Arabs and all Muslims. 

Per my question, I was curious if you were actually aware that despite
the alleged  bizarre factors, prana depleted, hierarchical and
patriarchal (gasp --the horror), tribal-god praying consticted prana
flowing nature of these apparent beasts, that they could and actually
did lead the world in many if not most pursuits during Europe's Dark
Ages and even into the Renassaince. 

(Probably not as advanced as the Mayans of similar periods, but thats
another story.)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

With all due respect, Vaj, I think that your description
of desert peoples below is limited to one particular
stretch of desert -- North Africa and the Middle East.
The generalizations you make do not seem to apply to
the desert cultures of America (Native Americans) or
to the many desert cultures of Tibet and China, AFAIK.

Many of the three desert cultures I mention above were
matriarchal, did *not* practice genital mutilation,
had much more of a balance between rights of women and
men, etc. In other words, it ain't the desert that's
a factor here, it's just one particular desert.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Feb 22, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  He also said with regard to Christianity: The religion of the  
  desert is
  terrorizing the Mississippi.
 
 These are both very insightful comments IMO.
 
 People who are incarnating among these desert peoples are the 
same  
 genetic descendents of peoples who survived mass starvation after 
the  
 last ice age. A number of bizarre factors accompany these desert  
 peoples: traditions of male and female genital mutilation, 
swaddling  
 of babies to prevent crying, cranial deformation, and so on.  
 Scientists who have studied desertification and global prana  
 depletion (which inevitably accompanies desertification) note 
that  
 the people who inhabit these regions will also possess the most  
 hierarchical and patriarchal systems of belief, often including a  
 severe lack of rights for both women and children. I would add 
tribal  
 gods as opposed to universal gods seem to be a common 
component: my  
 god or you die type thing. Reichians point out that these are 
also  
 highly armoured peoples--cultures which indoctrinate and 
engender a  
 tense muscular armor passed down since the time of the original 
mass  
 starvation which prevents the free flow of life 
force/prana/orgone:  
 bioenergetic bondage/domination and sadomasochism.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

Well Shemp and Spraig both live in or near the desert, so your theory
that desert people are bizzare and promote bizzare ideas has some
empirical support. :)

But it doesn't yet explain Barry.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 People who are incarnating among these desert peoples are the same  
 genetic descendents of peoples who survived mass starvation after the  
 last ice age. A number of bizarre factors accompany these desert  
 peoples: traditions of male and female genital mutilation, swaddling  
 of babies to prevent crying, cranial deformation, and so on.  
 Scientists who have studied desertification and global prana  
 depletion (which inevitably accompanies desertification) note that  
 the people who inhabit these regions will also possess the most  
 hierarchical and patriarchal systems of belief, often including a  
 severe lack of rights for both women and children. I would add tribal  
 gods as opposed to universal gods seem to be a common component: my  
 god or you die type thing. Reichians point out that these are also  
 highly armoured peoples--cultures which indoctrinate and engender a  
 tense muscular armor passed down since the time of the original mass  
 starvation which prevents the free flow of life force/prana/orgone:  
 bioenergetic bondage/domination and sadomasochism.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
 
  I heard that MMY was once asked why Muslims, in
  general, were always so angry. He replied by saying
  that if it was your first time on two feet, you'd be
  angry too.
 
 My wild hypothesis is that especially those Muslim men
 whose cc is done later in life tend to be angry because
 they may realize that they are in average about half
 an inch shorter than they could be, due to cc. That would 
 mean some 4 inches in body height!

Card, did what you said actually mean something to you?
If so, could you possibly explain it to those of us
who can't figure it out?  Thanks.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
  wrote:
  
   I heard that MMY was once asked why Muslims, in
   general, were always so angry. He replied by saying
   that if it was your first time on two feet, you'd be
   angry too.
  
  My wild hypothesis is that especially those Muslim men
  whose cc is done later in life tend to be angry because
  they may realize that they are in average about half
  an inch shorter than they could be, due to cc. That would 
  mean some 4 inches in body height!
 
 Card, did what you said actually mean something to you?
 If so, could you possibly explain it to those of us
 who can't figure it out?  Thanks.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Well Shemp and Spraig both live in or near the desert, so 
 your theory that desert people are bizzare and promote 
 bizzare ideas has some empirical support. :)
 
 But it doesn't yet explain Barry.

It does, actually. :-)

After the age of 14, I lived in Morocco and the deserts
of the Southwestern US for decades. I feel most at home 
in high desert environments. 

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  People who are incarnating among these desert peoples are the 
same  
  genetic descendents of peoples who survived mass starvation 
after the  
  last ice age. A number of bizarre factors accompany these 
desert  
  peoples: traditions of male and female genital mutilation, 
swaddling  
  of babies to prevent crying, cranial deformation, and so on.  
  Scientists who have studied desertification and global prana  
  depletion (which inevitably accompanies desertification) note 
that  
  the people who inhabit these regions will also possess the most  
  hierarchical and patriarchal systems of belief, often including 
a  
  severe lack of rights for both women and children. I would add 
tribal  
  gods as opposed to universal gods seem to be a common 
component: my  
  god or you die type thing. Reichians point out that these are 
also  
  highly armoured peoples--cultures which indoctrinate and 
engender a  
  tense muscular armor passed down since the time of the original 
mass  
  starvation which prevents the free flow of life 
force/prana/orgone:  
  bioenergetic bondage/domination and sadomasochism.
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  Well Shemp and Spraig both live in or near the desert, so 
  your theory that desert people are bizzare and promote 
  bizzare ideas has some empirical support. :)
  
  But it doesn't yet explain Barry.
 
 It does, actually. :-)
 
 After the age of 14, 

Before or after the genital mutilation?

 I lived in Morocco  

Good hash in the early 60's, I imagine.

 and the deserts
 of the Southwestern US for decades. I feel most at home 
 in high desert environments.  

I knew Vaj's deep theory couldn't be wrong. I knew it!

 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
   People who are incarnating among these desert peoples are the 
 same  
   genetic descendents of peoples who survived mass starvation 
 after the  
   last ice age. A number of bizarre factors accompany these 
 desert  
   peoples: traditions of male and female genital mutilation, 
 swaddling  
   of babies to prevent crying, cranial deformation, and so on.  
   Scientists who have studied desertification and global prana  
   depletion (which inevitably accompanies desertification) note 
 that  
   the people who inhabit these regions will also possess the most  
   hierarchical and patriarchal systems of belief, often including 
 a  
   severe lack of rights for both women and children. I would add 
 tribal  
   gods as opposed to universal gods seem to be a common 
 component: my  
   god or you die type thing. Reichians point out that these are 
 also  
   highly armoured peoples--cultures which indoctrinate and 
 engender a  
   tense muscular armor passed down since the time of the original 
 mass  
   starvation which prevents the free flow of life 
 force/prana/orgone:  
   bioenergetic bondage/domination and sadomasochism.
  
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I feel most at home 
 in high desert environments. 

So did the Lizard King (TMer).






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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   Well Shemp and Spraig both live in or near the desert, so 
   your theory that desert people are bizzare and promote 
   bizzare ideas has some empirical support. :)
   
   But it doesn't yet explain Barry.
  
  It does, actually. :-)
  
  After the age of 14, 
 
 Before or after the genital mutilation?

I did try to wear it down a bit through overuse,
but that's about as close as it got.  :-)

  I lived in Morocco  
 
 Good hash in the early 60's, I imagine.

The times, and moi, were both too innocent to
notice that it was there. I didn't discover such
treats until much later, back in the US.

  and the deserts
  of the Southwestern US for decades. I feel most at home 
  in high desert environments.  
 
 I knew Vaj's deep theory couldn't be wrong. I knew it!

I wouldn't go that far.  :-)








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet



On Feb 22, 2006, at 12:19 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:Per my question, I was curious if you were actually aware that despite the alleged  "bizarre factors", "prana depleted", "hierarchical and patriarchal" (gasp --the horror), tribal-god praying consticted prana flowing nature of these apparent beasts, that they could and actually did lead the world in many if not most pursuits during Europe's Dark Ages and even into the Renassaince.  This is part myth, part fact. The Arabs were great *transmitters* of knowledge from other cultures and only occasionally originators. Long story.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Feb 22, 2006, at 12:19 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:
 
  Per my question, I was curious if you were actually aware that despite
  the alleged  bizarre factors, prana depleted, hierarchical and
  patriarchal (gasp --the horror), tribal-god praying consticted prana
  flowing nature of these apparent beasts, that they could and actually
  did lead the world in many if not most pursuits during Europe's Dark
  Ages and even into the Renassaince.
 
 This is part myth, part fact. The Arabs were great *transmitters* of  
 knowledge from other cultures and only occasionally originators. Long  
 story.

Story may be the operative word.

As I study more history, it appears most if not all major cultures
have bee *transmitters*, users, and borrowers  of  knowledge from
other cultures -- as others have been of them. Lots more interaction
between the Mediteranian, Northern Africa, Middle East, China, India
etc. than previously thought or acknowledged. But I suppose  you view
it mostly came from India. I used to too.

But your recent post hardly presents you as an unbiased observer of
Arab or Islamic history. Or any history for that matter.

As an aside, China it appears was a major naval and exploratory force
1000+ years ago with ships far exceeding the size and carrying
capacity of other cultures. And interestingly, the zero, as store of
value,and placeholder has been found in Mayan works 3000 BC, before
any recorded use of it in India. 

And we are all ancestors of one or several migrations out of Central
Africa 40,000 + years ago. So apparently all subsequent cultures
ripped off the Afficans, I mean us. :)















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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is part myth, part fact. The Arabs were great *transmitters* of  
 knowledge from other cultures and only occasionally originators. Long  
 story.

The distinction between originators and users of knoweldge is pretty
funny. If the originators are so smart, why aren't/weren't they using
the knowldge? Smart enough to originate it but too dull to
appreciated its value and use it?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

2006-02-22 Thread Patrick Gillam

--- Vaj wrote:

 People who are incarnating among these desert peoples are the same  
 genetic descendents of peoples who survived mass starvation after the  
 last ice age. ...

Vaj, what are your sources for these observations? I know 
Steiner and Spengler made sweeping generalizations about 
peoples and cultures, but I haven't read them, and don't 
know who else is on the list.





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On Feb 22, 2006, at 2:19 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is part myth, part fact. The Arabs were great *transmitters* of   knowledge from other cultures and only occasionally originators. Long   story.  The distinction between originators and users of knoweldge is pretty funny. If the originators are so smart, why aren't/weren't they using the knowldge? Smart enough to "originate" it but too dull to appreciated its value and use it? They were using it, it's just that good ideas that lead to innovation are always in demand, so they spread.I particularly enjoyed _Cathedral, Forge and Waterwheel_ which is a history of engineering innovation in the west, during the "dark ages".





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On Feb 22, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- Vaj wrote:  People who are incarnating among these desert peoples are the same   genetic descendents of peoples who survived mass starvation after the   last ice age. ...  Vaj, what are your sources for these observations? I know  Steiner and Spengler made sweeping generalizations about  peoples and cultures, but I haven't read them, and don't  know who else is on the list. I was thinking of the Saharasia theory of James Demeo http://www.saharasia.org/...but also the desertification theories/observations of Wilhelm Reich.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
  wrote:
  
   I heard that MMY was once asked why Muslims, in
   general, were always so angry. He replied by saying
   that if it was your first time on two feet, you'd be
   angry too.
  
  My wild hypothesis is that especially those Muslim men
  whose cc is done later in life tend to be angry because
  they may realize that they are in average about half
  an inch shorter than they could be, due to cc. That would 
  mean some 4 inches in body height!
 
 Card, did what you said actually mean something to you?
 If so, could you possibly explain it to those of us
 who can't figure it out?  Thanks.

Yes, it did, but because
 the subject matter is so delicit, 
I wanted to camouflage it a bit!

cc = circumcision
they = they or their willies

Years ago I saw in a mens' magazine several
pictures of male organs mentioning their
length. Those with the glans uncovered were
in average about half an inch shorter than
the other ones, as far as I can recall...
That measure might be the ultimate indicator
of masculinity, or, then again, praps not!  :0
Men who are uncertain of their masculinity
are prone to anger, aren't they?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
   wrote:
   
I heard that MMY was once asked why Muslims, in
general, were always so angry. He replied by saying
that if it was your first time on two feet, you'd be
angry too.
   
   My wild hypothesis is that especially those Muslim men
   whose cc is done later in life tend to be angry because
   they may realize that they are in average about half
   an inch shorter than they could be, due to cc. That would 
   mean some 4 inches in body height!
  
  Card, did what you said actually mean something to you?
  If so, could you possibly explain it to those of us
  who can't figure it out?  Thanks.
 
 Yes, it did, but because
  the subject matter is so delicit, 
 I wanted to camouflage it a bit!
 
 cc = circumcision
 they = they or their willies
 
 Years ago I saw in a mens' magazine several
 pictures of male organs mentioning their
 length. Those with the glans uncovered were
 in average about half an inch shorter than
 the other ones, as far as I can recall...
 That measure might be the ultimate indicator
 of masculinity, or, then again, praps not!  :0
 Men who are uncertain of their masculinity
 are prone to anger, aren't they?
 
 



Yup, I was right. Too much Aquavit in the sauna. :)







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

2006-02-22 Thread Rick Archer

on 2/22/06 2:06 PM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@
 wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@
 wrote:
 
 I heard that MMY was once asked why Muslims, in
 general, were always so angry. He replied by saying
 that if it was your first time on two feet, you'd be
 angry too.
 
 My wild hypothesis is that especially those Muslim men
 whose cc is done later in life tend to be angry because
 they may realize that they are in average about half
 an inch shorter than they could be, due to cc. That would
 mean some 4 inches in body height!
 
 Card, did what you said actually mean something to you?
 If so, could you possibly explain it to those of us
 who can't figure it out?  Thanks.
 
 Yes, it did, but because
  the subject matter is so delicit,
 I wanted to camouflage it a bit!
 
 cc = circumcision
 they = they or their willies
 
 Years ago I saw in a mens' magazine several
 pictures of male organs mentioning their
 length. Those with the glans uncovered were
 in average about half an inch shorter than
 the other ones, as far as I can recall...
 That measure might be the ultimate indicator
 of masculinity, or, then again, praps not!  :0
 Men who are uncertain of their masculinity
 are prone to anger, aren't they?

But what's the reference to 4 in body height? Are you saying that
circumcision stunts overall body growth?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 2/22/06 2:06 PM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@
  wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@
  wrote:
  
  I heard that MMY was once asked why Muslims, in
  general, were always so angry. He replied by saying
  that if it was your first time on two feet, you'd be
  angry too.
  
  My wild hypothesis is that especially those Muslim men
  whose cc is done later in life tend to be angry because
  they may realize that they are in average about half
  an inch shorter than they could be, due to cc. That would
  mean some 4 inches in body height!
  
  Card, did what you said actually mean something to you?
  If so, could you possibly explain it to those of us
  who can't figure it out?  Thanks.
  
  Yes, it did, but because
   the subject matter is so delicit,
  I wanted to camouflage it a bit!
  
  cc = circumcision
  they = they or their willies
  
  Years ago I saw in a mens' magazine several
  pictures of male organs mentioning their
  length. Those with the glans uncovered were
  in average about half an inch shorter than
  the other ones, as far as I can recall...
  That measure might be the ultimate indicator
  of masculinity, or, then again, praps not!  :0
  Men who are uncertain of their masculinity
  are prone to anger, aren't they?
 
 But what's the reference to 4 in body height? Are you saying that
 circumcision stunts overall body growth?


I'm such a lousy mathematician that I have hard time
explaining that but I think the length of ones erect penis is 
typically about one tenth of one's body height, so that was
just for comparison on how much the half an inch difference
actually means relatively (4 to 5 inches in body height?), phew!
of one 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
   wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
wrote:

 I heard that MMY was once asked why Muslims, in
 general, were always so angry. He replied by saying
 that if it was your first time on two feet, you'd be
 angry too.

My wild hypothesis is that especially those Muslim men
whose cc is done later in life tend to be angry because
they may realize that they are in average about half
an inch shorter than they could be, due to cc. That would 
mean some 4 inches in body height!
   
   Card, did what you said actually mean something to you?
   If so, could you possibly explain it to those of us
   who can't figure it out?  Thanks.
  
  Yes, it did, but because
   the subject matter is so delicit, 
  I wanted to camouflage it a bit!
  
  cc = circumcision
  they = they or their willies
  
  Years ago I saw in a mens' magazine several
  pictures of male organs mentioning their
  length. Those with the glans uncovered were
  in average about half an inch shorter than
  the other ones, as far as I can recall...
  That measure might be the ultimate indicator
  of masculinity, or, then again, praps not!  :0
  Men who are uncertain of their masculinity
  are prone to anger, aren't they?
  
  
 
 
 
 Yup, I was right. Too much Aquavit in the sauna. :)


Nope, too much sanyama on naasikaa-antar-madhya (Shiva-suutra
III 44)?   :]





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

On Feb 22, 2006, at 1:37 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:"Story" may be the operative word. As I study more history, it appears most if not all major cultures have bee *transmitters*, users, and borrowers of knowledge from other cultures -- as others have been of them. Lots more interaction between the Mediteranian, Northern Africa, Middle East, China, India etc. than previously thought or acknowledged. But I suppose you view it mostly came from India. I used to too.No, China. India as well-for example Baghdad was designed by Indian architects was there was a Sanskrit University in Mesopotamia. But your recent post hardly presents you as an unbiased observer of Arab or Islamic history. Or any history for that matter.It wasn't on the topic of history but responding to an alleged quote of Mahesh Varma on how 'deserts follow' a certain people. As an aside, China it appears was a major naval and exploratory force 1000+ years ago with ships far exceeding the size and carrying capacity of other cultures. And interestingly, the zero, as "store of value,and "placeholder" has been found in Mayan works 3000 BC, before any recorded use of it in India. And we are all ancestors of one or several migrations out of Central Africa 40,000 + years ago. So "apparently" all subsequent cultures ripped off the Afficans, I mean us. :)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

2006-02-22 Thread sparaig

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 Well Shemp and Spraig both live in or near the desert, so your theory
 that desert people are bizzare and promote bizzare ideas has some
 empirical support. :)
 
 But it doesn't yet explain Barry.
 
 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

2006-02-22 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Well Shemp and Spraig both live in or near the desert, so your 
theory
 that desert people are bizzare and promote bizzare ideas has some
 empirical support. :)





Well, you're half right.





 
 But it doesn't yet explain Barry.
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  People who are incarnating among these desert peoples are the 
same  
  genetic descendents of peoples who survived mass starvation 
after the  
  last ice age. A number of bizarre factors accompany these 
desert  
  peoples: traditions of male and female genital mutilation, 
swaddling  
  of babies to prevent crying, cranial deformation, and so on.  
  Scientists who have studied desertification and global prana  
  depletion (which inevitably accompanies desertification) note 
that  
  the people who inhabit these regions will also possess the most  
  hierarchical and patriarchal systems of belief, often including 
a  
  severe lack of rights for both women and children. I would add 
tribal  
  gods as opposed to universal gods seem to be a common 
component: my  
  god or you die type thing. Reichians point out that these are 
also  
  highly armoured peoples--cultures which indoctrinate and 
engender a  
  tense muscular armor passed down since the time of the original 
mass  
  starvation which prevents the free flow of life 
force/prana/orgone:  
  bioenergetic bondage/domination and sadomasochism.
 







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