[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
Bhairitu wrote: It's depressing to give this country over to a bunch of C students, For once we seem to be in agreement. My current grade point average is 3.5, whats's yours? I wonder what kind of grades Michael Moore got in school? From what I've read, Sarah Palin got all 'A's. She graduated from college - I wonder how many respondents on FFL have graduated. After reading here for a number of years, I'd say that none of the current informants ever got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm wrong on this. dunderheads and pondscum or the lowest common denominator. Speaking of 'dunderheads', apparently you can't even read your own scriptures without using Sanskrit flash cards. If so, then you'd be considered an llliterate in most villages in India. As for the 'pondscum', you're really in no position to be calling the poor villagers of rural India any names. Who said you had to be a scholar in order to love God? Such is the road to idiocracy and the flaw in democracy. India is the world's largest democracy and I'm sure it has some flaws, but what how would you be knowing since you can't even read a Hindi newspaper, much less the Indian Constitution. You probably don't even own a single copy of the Times of India. I suppose the best thing you can do is separate them and their money (which a lot of people will be and are doing since they are easy marks. Why do almost all your solutions to government include violence, anarchy, or scams to get money? Hey dummy, wanna buy a big pickup truck?) What happened to all that money you sent to the Marshy for all those TM 'initiations'? I'm a little more optimistic than that and hope that the masses see the wisdom in electing someone who can hold an thoughtful and intelligent conversation with other world leaders of their IQ Maybe we could set up a debate between Barak Obama and Osama bin Laden, without any pre-conditions. That would really be a thoughtful and intelligent conversation and would really resolve a lot of issues. Maybe they could debate women attending school like Sarah Palin did. and not some guy who wants to remind you every ten minutes that he was a POW so you feel sorry for him with a VP who should not even be elected a PTA chairman. You could cast another spoiler vote if you wanted to. Or, you could vote for a community organizer who never even joined the PTA or fought in a war.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bhairitu wrote: It's depressing to give this country over to a bunch of C students, For once we seem to be in agreement. My current grade point average is 3.5, whats's yours? I wonder what kind of grades Michael Moore got in school? From what I've read, Sarah Palin got all 'A's. She graduated from college - I wonder how many respondents on FFL have graduated. After reading here for a number of years, I'd say that none of the current informants ever got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm wrong on this. Your wrong. dunderheads and pondscum or the lowest common denominator. Speaking of 'dunderheads', apparently you can't even read your own scriptures without using Sanskrit flash cards. If so, then you'd be considered an llliterate in most villages in India. As for the 'pondscum', you're really in no position to be calling the poor villagers of rural India any names. Who said you had to be a scholar in order to love God? Such is the road to idiocracy and the flaw in democracy. India is the world's largest democracy and I'm sure it has some flaws, but what how would you be knowing since you can't even read a Hindi newspaper, much less the Indian Constitution. You probably don't even own a single copy of the Times of India. I suppose the best thing you can do is separate them and their money (which a lot of people will be and are doing since they are easy marks. Why do almost all your solutions to government include violence, anarchy, or scams to get money? Hey dummy, wanna buy a big pickup truck?) What happened to all that money you sent to the Marshy for all those TM 'initiations'? I'm a little more optimistic than that and hope that the masses see the wisdom in electing someone who can hold an thoughtful and intelligent conversation with other world leaders of their IQ Maybe we could set up a debate between Barak Obama and Osama bin Laden, without any pre-conditions. That would really be a thoughtful and intelligent conversation and would really resolve a lot of issues. Maybe they could debate women attending school like Sarah Palin did. and not some guy who wants to remind you every ten minutes that he was a POW so you feel sorry for him with a VP who should not even be elected a PTA chairman. You could cast another spoiler vote if you wanted to. Or, you could vote for a community organizer who never even joined the PTA or fought in a war.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
On Sep 6, 2008, at 8:30 AM, mainstream20016 wrote: For once we seem to be in agreement. My current grade point average is 3.5, whats's yours? I wonder what kind of grades Michael Moore got in school? From what I've read, Sarah Palin got all 'A's. She graduated from college - I wonder how many respondents on FFL have graduated. After reading here for a number of years, I'd say that none of the current informants ever got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm wrong on this. Your wrong. Sarah Palin apparently went to 5 or 6 colleges before graduating, and her grades are unknown. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
Sara is applying to run for president (in the case of a 3-4 time,cancer surviving, 72 year old, having a serious medical problem in the next 4 years) and unlike all the other candidates, we have not had enough time to understand who we are dealing with. McCain is bum-rushing us with her and we have two months to get to know her before deciding if she should occupy the second most important political position in the world. (That's right my European friends, till China rises up and crushes us all, we are the last super power.) The biggest problem we have with her is not people making sexist comments. That distraction is appropriate to any woman here who is being treated that way in her own personal life. But it nothing to do with how fast we have to find out who the person is who might end up commanding a military that has only recently justified a pre-emptive strike on another sovereign nation. (Same party, don't be fooled by the frantic distancing going on.) So if you want to mention her prom-ready updo while being very critical of her, consider yourself forgiven in advance. (women on FFL's mileage may vary) The biggest problem with Mitt Romney was not that he had Ken Doll hair, it was what was under it that mattered, and the same is true with Sara. The American press got cowered after 9-11 by their fear of not seeming patriotic enough. They betrayed our public trust. That goes double for the Democratic party. Bush used name-calling to dismantle the whole system of checks and balances in our country. Name calling! So my advise to the press and the Democratic party is to ignore all the word shields being used to keep you from sandblasting Sara Palin from head to toe. I want you so far up her ass I only see the heels of your shoes. I will forgive you if you need to apologize afterwards for being a little rough on her. We don't have the time to play nice and she can take it if she is the real deal. But I will never forgive you if let he slip by with little scrutiny and she turns out to be another George Bush disaster. Oh yeah, and the fact that she did not try to shove her wacky beliefs about creationism being taught alongside intelligent design down the throats of her independently oriented fellow Alaskans doesn't help the fact that she equates these two completely different positions as having equal scientific merit. Houston we have a big F'n problem here. I've already been down this road with George. I understand the implications when science and scripture are viewed as equally valid POVs. (See I didn't call them old books either!) So do me proud American press and Democratic party. I need to know, and I need to know fast. The real difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom is that a pit bull never gets deluded that it can be a heartbeat away from being the president without being qualified, but a hockey mom can. I've seen the lipstick (and lip liner) so I'm sure we are not dealing with a pit bull here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 6, 2008, at 8:30 AM, mainstream20016 wrote: For once we seem to be in agreement. My current grade point average is 3.5, whats's yours? I wonder what kind of grades Michael Moore got in school? From what I've read, Sarah Palin got all 'A's. She graduated from college - I wonder how many respondents on FFL have graduated. After reading here for a number of years, I'd say that none of the current informants ever got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm wrong on this. Your wrong. Sarah Palin apparently went to 5 or 6 colleges before graduating, and her grades are unknown. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
After reading here for a number of years, I'd say that none of the current informants ever got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm wrong on this. Sal wrote: Your wrong. So, you got a degree from MUM. Sarah Palin apparently went to 5 or 6 colleges before graduating, So what? and her grades are unknown. Unknown to you, you mean.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
On Sep 6, 2008, at 9:20 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Sara is applying to run for president (in the case of a 3-4 time,cancer surviving, 72 year old, having a serious medical problem in the next 4 years) You got that right, Curtis. and unlike all the other candidates, we have not had enough time to understand who we are dealing with. McCain is bum-rushing us with her and we have two months to get to know her before deciding if she should occupy the second most important political position in the world. (That's right my European friends, till China rises up and crushes us all, we are the last super power.) The biggest problem we have with her is not people making sexist comments. That distraction is appropriate to any woman here who is being treated that way in her own personal life. But it nothing to do with how fast we have to find out who the person is who might end up commanding a military that has only recently justified a pre-emptive strike on another sovereign nation. (Same party, don't be fooled by the frantic distancing going on.) So if you want to mention her prom-ready updo while being very critical of her, consider yourself forgiven in advance. (women on FFL's mileage may vary) The biggest problem with Mitt Romney was not that he had Ken Doll hair, it was what was under it that mattered, and the same is true with Sara. The American press got cowered after 9-11 by their fear of not seeming patriotic enough. They betrayed our public trust. That goes double for the Democratic party. Bush used name-calling to dismantle the whole system of checks and balances in our country. Name calling! Doesn't take much, does it? So my advise to the press and the Democratic party is to ignore all the word shields being used to keep you from sandblasting Sara Palin from head to toe. I want you so far up her ass I only see the heels of your shoes. I will forgive you if you need to apologize afterwards for being a little rough on her. We don't have the time to play nice and she can take it if she is the real deal. But I will never forgive you if let he slip by with little scrutiny and she turns out to be another George Bush disaster. Oh yeah, and the fact that she did not try to shove her wacky beliefs about creationism being taught alongside intelligent design down the throats of her independently oriented fellow Alaskans doesn't help the fact that she equates these two completely different positions as having equal scientific merit. Houston we have a big F'n problem here. I've already been down this road with George. I understand the implications when science and scripture are viewed as equally valid POVs. (See I didn't call them old books either!) So do me proud American press and Democratic party. You can be sure neither will. Go ahead, press and Democratic Party--prove me wrong. I need to know, and I need to know fast. The real difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom is that a pit bull never gets deluded that it can be a heartbeat away from being the president without being qualified, but a hockey mom can. I've seen the lipstick (and lip liner) so I'm sure we are not dealing with a pit bull here. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The biggest problem we have with her is not people making sexist comments. That distraction is appropriate to any woman here who is being treated that way in her own personal life. I want to comment first on this subsidiary point, because in its more general form, this theme has come up for you a number of times here. The paradigmatic response to this approach is the famous poem that begins First they came for the Jews... Obviously sexist attacks on Palin are vanishingly trivial compared to the Holocaust, but the larger point may not be. Another version of the point is Cain's question from the Bible, Am I my brother's keeper? Is it ethically OK to refrain from defending someone who is being unfairly attacked when one doesn't have a personal investment in the quality or characteristic on which the attack focuses? Is one absolved of responsibility in such a case? Do we consider all the white people who participated in civil rights activities in the South in the '60s and '70s to have been *inappropriately* distracted by the racism they were opposing, because they themselves had never experienced it? snip So my advise to the press and the Democratic party is to ignore all the word shields being used to keep you from sandblasting Sara Palin from head to toe. I want you so far up her ass I only see the heels of your shoes. I will forgive you if you need to apologize afterwards for being a little rough on her. We don't have the time to play nice and she can take it if she is the real deal. But I will never forgive you if let he slip by with little scrutiny and she turns out to be another George Bush disaster. Another way of looking at this is to ask whether obsessing over Sarah Palin may have the unintended consequence of allowing John McCain to slip by with little scrutiny--not only because there's a great deal to be scrutinized about him, but also because a significant portion of the electorate may *not* be willing to graciously forgive us for being rough on her, and their outrage may inspire them to vote for the McCain- Palin ticket in protest (which was Michael Moore's point). And of course these two points are related. If we spend all our energy deconstructing Sarah while neglecting to do the same for McCain, those who are moved to protest our treatment of her by voting for the Republican ticket won't have been given any reason *not* to. Finally, objections from the left to the sexist attacks on Palin are not word shields designed to protect her from scrutiny. They're objections to sexism, period; the notion that we simply cannot do a proper job on her without some sexism creeping in is just a rationalization for indulging in misogyny. And as an aside, frankly, I find it difficult to imagine that if she were a man with the same (lack of) experience and the same personal characteristics, she would exercise quite the same fascination over the supporters of the opposition. Oh yeah, and the fact that she did not try to shove her wacky beliefs about creationism being taught alongside intelligent design down the throats of her independently oriented fellow Alaskans doesn't help the fact that she equates these two completely different positions as having equal scientific merit. Actually, she's never said she thinks they have equal scientific merit. For that matter, she's never said she thinks the two are mutually exclusive. There are scientists and religionists who understand the two views as compatible. We don't know enough about her religious and scientific views to say whether she might be one of them. Houston we have a big F'n problem here. What you're saying, in essence, is that we need to have a religious litmus test for the presidency. The real F'n problem is that this cuts both ways: The folks who like Sarah Palin could just as well demand (and some have) that only committed fundamentalist/ evangelical Christians be entitled to the presidency.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 7:40 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin After reading here for a number of years, I'd say that none of the current informants ever got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm wrong on this. I have an MSCI from there and did the coursework for the Ph.D. in SCI, but dropped out after that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 6, 2008, at 8:30 AM, mainstream20016 wrote: For once we seem to be in agreement. My current grade point average is 3.5, whats's yours? I wonder what kind of grades Michael Moore got in school? From what I've read, Sarah Palin got all 'A's. She graduated from college - I wonder how many respondents on FFL have graduated. After reading here for a number of years, I'd say that none of the current informants ever got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm wrong on this. Your wrong. Sarah Palin apparently went to 5 or 6 colleges before graduating, and her grades are unknown. Sal Democrats may want to tread carefully before you go down that road. Remember what happened in the 2004 election: Dems dumped on Bush for having not so great grades while at Yale until it was revealed Kerrey, at Yale, had even worse grades.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
On Sep 6, 2008, at 10:34 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: Democrats may want to tread carefully before you go down that road. Remember what happened in the 2004 election: Dems dumped on Bush for having not so great grades while at Yale until it was revealed Kerrey, at Yale, had even worse grades. Um, no it wasn't, shemp--repeating the same old lies don't make them true. Bush never revealed his grades, as I recall. The source for his terrific GPA was that fount of integrity, his mother. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
Jesus Christ. Bring back the DNC. They forgot one important speaker! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sara is applying to run for president (in the case of a 3-4 time,cancer surviving, 72 year old, having a serious medical problem in the next 4 years) and unlike all the other candidates, we have not had enough time to understand who we are dealing with. McCain is bum-rushing us with her and we have two months to get to know her before deciding if she should occupy the second most important political position in the world. (That's right my European friends, till China rises up and crushes us all, we are the last super power.) The biggest problem we have with her is not people making sexist comments. That distraction is appropriate to any woman here who is being treated that way in her own personal life. But it nothing to do with how fast we have to find out who the person is who might end up commanding a military that has only recently justified a pre- emptive strike on another sovereign nation. (Same party, don't be fooled by the frantic distancing going on.) So if you want to mention her prom-ready updo while being very critical of her, consider yourself forgiven in advance. (women on FFL's mileage may vary) The biggest problem with Mitt Romney was not that he had Ken Doll hair, it was what was under it that mattered, and the same is true with Sara. The American press got cowered after 9-11 by their fear of not seeming patriotic enough. They betrayed our public trust. That goes double for the Democratic party. Bush used name-calling to dismantle the whole system of checks and balances in our country. Name calling! So my advise to the press and the Democratic party is to ignore all the word shields being used to keep you from sandblasting Sara Palin from head to toe. I want you so far up her ass I only see the heels of your shoes. I will forgive you if you need to apologize afterwards for being a little rough on her. We don't have the time to play nice and she can take it if she is the real deal. But I will never forgive you if let he slip by with little scrutiny and she turns out to be another George Bush disaster. Oh yeah, and the fact that she did not try to shove her wacky beliefs about creationism being taught alongside intelligent design down the throats of her independently oriented fellow Alaskans doesn't help the fact that she equates these two completely different positions as having equal scientific merit. Houston we have a big F'n problem here. I've already been down this road with George. I understand the implications when science and scripture are viewed as equally valid POVs. (See I didn't call them old books either!) So do me proud American press and Democratic party. I need to know, and I need to know fast. The real difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom is that a pit bull never gets deluded that it can be a heartbeat away from being the president without being qualified, but a hockey mom can. I've seen the lipstick (and lip liner) so I'm sure we are not dealing with a pit bull here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Sep 6, 2008, at 8:30 AM, mainstream20016 wrote: For once we seem to be in agreement. My current grade point average is 3.5, whats's yours? I wonder what kind of grades Michael Moore got in school? From what I've read, Sarah Palin got all 'A's. She graduated from college - I wonder how many respondents on FFL have graduated. After reading here for a number of years, I'd say that none of the current informants ever got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm wrong on this. Your wrong. Sarah Palin apparently went to 5 or 6 colleges before graduating, and her grades are unknown. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sara is applying to run for president (in the case of a 3-4 time,cancer surviving, 72 year old, having a serious medical problem in the next 4 years) and unlike all the other candidates, we have not had enough time to understand who we are dealing with. McCain is bum-rushing us with her and we have two months to get to know her before deciding if she should occupy the second most important political position in the world. [snip] Good points all, Curtis. However, I can't help seeing a double standard. Certainly, Sarah must be vetted by the media, as you suggest, for the reasons you suggest: she very well may become president and we need to know as much about her as possible before we cast our votes in November. But in the 8 or 9 days since her VP appointment was announced, we know more about her 17-year-old daughter's pregnancy and her sperminator Levi Johnston than we know about Barack Obama's relationship with a self-admitted terrorist, William Ayers, a relationship that was extensive and quite significant in Obama's life. Indeed, I suggest to you that if we did a survey of 100 Americans off the street right now, chosen at random, I'll bet you a dollar to a donut that more will know who Levi Johnston or spit-shining Piper Palin is than they do who William Ayers is. And Barack's been running for president for 18 months! Sorry, if there's any vetting that needs to be done, it's on Barack Obama first. Like the Democrats who during the primaries got caught up in the concept of Obama, to use Geraldine Ferraro's words, the media, too, got caught up in the concept and never vetted or investigated him properly. And now the Dems are stuck with a terrorist-associating, community organizer who the 527 groups are simply going to rip apart. For two weeks solid before election day, the 527s are going to spend about $100 million on TV ads about Ayers, Wright, and sundry other gems Barack has dished up (such as an ad contrasting Barack's statement that if his daughter would ever get pregnant that he wouldn't want her burdened with a mistake with Palin and her five kids). Gosh, how many voters in Middle America -- the people Barack needs to court in order to win -- will vote for him once they see something like this (scroll down to latest video): http://www.americanissuesproject.org/ Curtis, Barack was given a pass not only by the media but by the Democrats themselves. Palin wasn't. Double standard. Don't you think Barack should be vetted first?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
Houston we have a big F'n problem here. Judy wrote: If we spend all our energy deconstructing Sarah while neglecting to do the same for McCain, those who are moved to protest our treatment of her by voting for the Republican ticket won't have been given any reason *not* to. Sarah Palin has more exuctive experience than Joe Biden and she probably has better judgement as well. Biden voted *against* gulf war 1 and the U.S. won the war. If we had listened to Joe Biden, Saddam would be in control of Kuwait and probably Saudi Arabia as well - Saddam would be the head of OPEC by now. This was a monumental blunder by Joe Biden - he was wrong about gulf war 1 and wrong about gulf war 2. He was wrong about the surge - Obama says that the surge was a success. If we had listened to Joe Biden there would be a civil war in Iraq now. Joe Biden was wrong, he's wrong for America.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
Thanks for weighing in Judy, I had hoped you would. I'm finding my way with these ideas and your post helps me sort them out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The paradigmatic response to this approach is the famous poem that begins First they came for the Jews... Obviously sexist attacks on Palin are vanishingly trivial compared to the Holocaust, but the larger point may not be. Another version of the point is Cain's question from the Bible, Am I my brother's keeper? Is it ethically OK to refrain from defending someone who is being unfairly attacked when one doesn't have a personal investment in the quality or characteristic on which the attack focuses? Is one absolved of responsibility in such a case? Of course I agree, and I guess people like yourself who have this ball in your sights will do that for society. In non election situations I am much more sympathetic to this cause. The fact that the problem with the holocaust was killing Jews not calling them names is important. Name calling does not always lead to killing. Humans have prejudices of all kinds. We can make it less visible and give some legal protections from it in the workplace. But I don't think we are going to shame it out of existence. It is usually based on people's experience with other groups. If you had a controlling mother and married a controlling woman, you may become misogynistic. My brother lives in an area with no middle class black people. He is usually in danger when he interacts with then. The exact opposite is true in my world, I am very rarely in danger from black people even though I have 50 times more interactions with them. So it is easy for me to see them as equal and very hard for my brother. We can legislate only so far, then we hit this wall of personal experiences. Most of the world leaders who are the biggest pains in the US's ass are major sexists so I don't know how much we should protect politicians from it. But in the cause itself, I can't disagree with what you are saying. Politics is a boys club. And boys play rough and are often personally unfair to each other. Women who enter this unfair alpha chimp world will find out what total pricks most power hungry guys are. I'm sure that is no surprise to you. But as the fur flies, the outcome is more important than the process IMO because the process is not going to change quickly enough. (not in two months) Do we consider all the white people who participated in civil rights activities in the South in the '60s and '70s to have been *inappropriately* distracted by the racism they were opposing, because they themselves had never experienced it? The cause was civil rights, so it was the right focus in that context. But the biggest problem with the Cold War of that era was not racism so we needed to pick leaders without that as the main theme. snip So my advise to the press and the Democratic party is to ignore all the word shields being used to keep you from sandblasting Sara Palin from head to toe. I want you so far up her ass I only see the heels of your shoes. I will forgive you if you need to apologize afterwards for being a little rough on her. We don't have the time to play nice and she can take it if she is the real deal. But I will never forgive you if let he slip by with little scrutiny and she turns out to be another George Bush disaster. Another way of looking at this is to ask whether obsessing over Sarah Palin may have the unintended consequence of allowing John McCain to slip by with little scrutiny--not only because there's a great deal to be scrutinized about him, but also because a significant portion of the electorate may *not* be willing to graciously forgive us for being rough on her, and their outrage may inspire them to vote for the McCain- Palin ticket in protest (which was Michael Moore's point). I couldn't agree more. This distraction does take the heat off of McCain. The blow back problem is tricky because it seems that the right will cry foul no matter what is said. Sara can parade her pregnant daughter and baby daddy in front of us along with her family values and if we comment on it, we are called sexist. I know a few mothers who are appalled at this example that is being thrown in our face. This is a teen tragedy, not another example of what a great person she is. And of course these two points are related. If we spend all our energy deconstructing Sarah while neglecting to do the same for McCain, those who are moved to protest our treatment of her by voting for the Republican ticket won't have been given any reason *not* to. Again agreed. It is a tough balance but if it helps I want the same treatment of McCain and Obama. But we have had more time with them so we know a little more. Finally, objections from the left to the sexist attacks on Palin are not word shields designed
[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
Curtis, Barack was given a pass not only by the media but by the Democrats themselves. Palin wasn't. Double standard. Don't you think Barack should be vetted first? She is being given a pass in her own party but never had to go through the scrutiny that Obama did by minds like Hillary Clinton. I would love to see her debate Palin as she did Obama. I can't believe how little info we have about candidates aside from the popularity contest spin bullshit. Palin was the one who put out her family's situation. It all comes out, look how we nailed and destroyed John Edwards. Everyone gets the reaming. So we have to go after each candidate to see what we have and that is ongoing. No one should go soft on Obama for fear of being called a racist and no one should be soft on Palin because of fear of being called a sexist. As far as media bias goes, all media is fractionated to target different audiences. I have to watch Fox news for the right and MSNBC for the left for example and then make up my own mind. Curtis, Barack was given a pass not only by the media but by the Democrats themselves. Palin wasn't. Fox news did a fine job of climbing up his butt. I am tired of claims of media bias, there is plenty of news from both sides now with the 24 hour news cycle. Palin is being given a pass right now on Fox. But I have also noticed that the right leaning Fox delights in all the same salacious details that everyone else does, and then has the nerve ro complain that other channels are covering it. BTW, I am watching Bill O'Reilly interview with Obama with great interest. It will continue next week. I despise the guy which is exactly why he is perfect for helping me understand Obama better. That stuff about his associating with terrorists doesn't pass the smell test with me and demeaning his community organizing work is pathetic. Doing good is not bad. Not by a long shot. I dig reading your POV here Shemp. It is not usually my own politically but I learn from it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Sara is applying to run for president (in the case of a 3-4 time,cancer surviving, 72 year old, having a serious medical problem in the next 4 years) and unlike all the other candidates, we have not had enough time to understand who we are dealing with. McCain is bum-rushing us with her and we have two months to get to know her before deciding if she should occupy the second most important political position in the world. [snip] Good points all, Curtis. However, I can't help seeing a double standard. Certainly, Sarah must be vetted by the media, as you suggest, for the reasons you suggest: she very well may become president and we need to know as much about her as possible before we cast our votes in November. But in the 8 or 9 days since her VP appointment was announced, we know more about her 17-year-old daughter's pregnancy and her sperminator Levi Johnston than we know about Barack Obama's relationship with a self-admitted terrorist, William Ayers, a relationship that was extensive and quite significant in Obama's life. Indeed, I suggest to you that if we did a survey of 100 Americans off the street right now, chosen at random, I'll bet you a dollar to a donut that more will know who Levi Johnston or spit-shining Piper Palin is than they do who William Ayers is. And Barack's been running for president for 18 months! Sorry, if there's any vetting that needs to be done, it's on Barack Obama first. Like the Democrats who during the primaries got caught up in the concept of Obama, to use Geraldine Ferraro's words, the media, too, got caught up in the concept and never vetted or investigated him properly. And now the Dems are stuck with a terrorist-associating, community organizer who the 527 groups are simply going to rip apart. For two weeks solid before election day, the 527s are going to spend about $100 million on TV ads about Ayers, Wright, and sundry other gems Barack has dished up (such as an ad contrasting Barack's statement that if his daughter would ever get pregnant that he wouldn't want her burdened with a mistake with Palin and her five kids). Gosh, how many voters in Middle America -- the people Barack needs to court in order to win -- will vote for him once they see something like this (scroll down to latest video): http://www.americanissuesproject.org/ Curtis, Barack was given a pass not only by the media but by the Democrats themselves. Palin wasn't. Double standard. Don't you think Barack should be vetted first?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: It's depressing to give this country over to a bunch of C students, For once we seem to be in agreement. My current grade point average is 3.5, whats's yours? You're still in high school after all these years? :D I was an honors student in college. I wonder what kind of grades Michael Moore got in school? From what I've read, Sarah Palin got all 'A's. She graduated from college - I wonder how many respondents on FFL have graduated. After reading here for a number of years, I'd say that none of the current informants ever got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm wrong on this. The only thing I got from MUM (or MIU) was that I graduated from TTC. Did you? dunderheads and pondscum or the lowest common denominator. Speaking of 'dunderheads', apparently you can't even read your own scriptures without using Sanskrit flash cards. If so, then you'd be considered an llliterate in most villages in India. I didn't use any flash cards in India. So can you read Devanagri? I've asked you that a number times and you've never responded so we can assume not. Hey but sign up at the American Sanskrit Institute for a weekend workshop. I think they're even holding one in Texas. As for the 'pondscum', you're really in no position to be calling the poor villagers of rural India any names. Who said you had to be a scholar in order to love God? Pondscum is the way a number of Americans behave. They could learn a lot from Indian villagers. Frankly I don't think most people are stupid but lazy minded. So for that they deserve to be called pondscum. Besides that the MSM makes them feel it is important to be dumb. Such is the road to idiocracy and the flaw in democracy. India is the world's largest democracy and I'm sure it has some flaws, but what how would you be knowing since you can't even read a Hindi newspaper, much less the Indian Constitution. You probably don't even own a single copy of the Times of India. ROTFL! I can read Times of India any day online if I want and have for years. It's in English anyway though they probably have a Hindi edition you can read since you're so fluent in reading Devanagri and Hindi. :D :D :D :D http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ I suppose the best thing you can do is separate them and their money (which a lot of people will be and are doing since they are easy marks. Why do almost all your solutions to government include violence, anarchy, or scams to get money? Thomas Jefferson even suggested that the country might need a revolution ever twenty years to keep functioning. So Ford and GM (and Toyota) for that matter are running scams? How 'bout a big SUV to go with that big pickup truck. Then you can really feel like a man (since you're so in need of that feeling). Hey dummy, wanna buy a big pickup truck?) What happened to all that money you sent to the Marshy for all those TM 'initiations'? Half of it came back when I was teaching. What about you? I'm a little more optimistic than that and hope that the masses see the wisdom in electing someone who can hold an thoughtful and intelligent conversation with other world leaders of their IQ Maybe we could set up a debate between Barak Obama and Osama bin Laden, without any pre-conditions. That would really be a thoughtful and intelligent conversation and would really resolve a lot of issues. Maybe they could debate women attending school like Sarah Palin did. That would probably go a lot farther than anything the Bush administration has done. However as I understand it Obama would have to hold a seance to have a conversation with Osama or is he still hiding under your bed? and not some guy who wants to remind you every ten minutes that he was a POW so you feel sorry for him with a VP who should not even be elected a PTA chairman. You could cast another spoiler vote if you wanted to. Or, you could vote for a community organizer who never even joined the PTA or fought in a war. In a much, much larger community that Sarah Palin was ever mayor of. Probably a community with more population than the whole state of Alaska. And after all how did 2006 go? I suspect 2008 will go the same way. Your party is over.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
You could cast another spoiler vote if you wanted to. Or, you could vote for a community organizer who never even joined the PTA or fought in a war. Bhairitu wrote: In a much, much larger community that Sarah Palin was ever mayor of. Probably a community with more population than the whole state of Alaska. Maybe so, but what was the result? There is rampant unemployment in Chicago, but in Achorage there is a surplus of jobs. Why is it that the high unemployment is concentrated in all the 'blue' states, the ones with the liberal governors and senators? And after all how did 2006 go? From what I've read, Obama was a community orgainizer in a small neighborhood in Chicago, most of whom used to go to church with Obama to listen to the Rev. Wright. Apparently Obama sat next to Mr. Rezko. I wonder where Rezko is now? I suspect 2008 will go the same way. Well, I guess they closed down the housing project Mr. Obama organized in Chicago, but the library up in Wasilla, Alaska is still open and serving the public. Apparently Obama took up with the terrorist Bill Ayers and relieved the Annenburg Foundation of several million dollars. I wonder what happened to all the money? Your party is over. If Obama's idea of community orgainizing can't produce anything better than a big new million dollar house for himself and one for the Rev Wright, then probably your party is over! I don't doubt that Obama is saddened by his mentor's conviction, but the rest of his statement is from outer space. This isn't the Tony Rezko I knew. Deja vu, anyone? I could swear I've heard it somewhere before. Sure enough--the racist, anti-American Rev. Wright whom we've all seen on video wasn't the Rev. Wright whom Obama knew for 20 years, either. And the outrageously bigoted Father Pfleger wasn't the Pfleger whom Obama assiduously supported with earmarks--another form of political corruption. Read more: 'The Most Wildly Inappropriate Statement Ever?' Posted by Posted by John Hinderaker: Powerline, June 4, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6jygm4
[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
Curtis wrote: That stuff about his associating with terrorists doesn't pass the smell test with me and demeaning his community organizing work is pathetic. From what I've read, Obama used to work for the terrorist Ayers. They both got a lot of money from the Anneneburg Foundation for a housing project. Apparently you haven't been keeping up with the news! Doing good is not bad. Not by a long shot. But the housing project is now boarded up. What happened to all the money? Is this an example of the kind of community orgainizing you'd want for your neighborhood? Documents released Tuesday by the University of Illinois at Chicago shed some light on Barack Obama's relationship with William Ayers, a founding member of the 1960s and 1970s radical group the Weather Underground. Read more: 'Newly Released Documents Highlight Obama's Relationship With Ayers' Fox News, Tuesday, August 26, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5bwee2
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: In a much, much larger community that Sarah Palin was ever mayor of. Probably a community with more population than the whole state of Alaska. Maybe so, but what was the result? There is rampant unemployment in Chicago, but in Achorage there is a surplus of jobs. Why is it that the high unemployment is concentrated in all the 'blue' states, the ones with the liberal governors and senators? Because nobody wants to live in cold, inhospitable Alaska. Would you live there? Why do you live in Texas (with it's high taxes)? Everyone wants to live in places like California because of the weather. They'd probably live in Mexico that has even better weather year around if we could get rid of the corruption there and it was part of the US. Maybe a NAU isn't such a bad idea after but they wanted to spring it on the public because they knew the public would not support it. And after all how did 2006 go? From what I've read, Obama was a community orgainizer in a small neighborhood in Chicago, most of whom used to go to church with Obama to listen to the Rev. Wright. Apparently Obama sat next to Mr. Rezko. I wonder where Rezko is now? No, that is not the question I asked. Again, how did 2006 go or to be even more clear the 2006 election? I suspect 2008 will go the same way. Well, I guess they closed down the housing project Mr. Obama organized in Chicago, but the library up in Wasilla, Alaska is still open and serving the public. Apparently with only Palin approved books or at least she attempted that. Are you also a dominionist? Apparently Obama took up with the terrorist Bill Ayers and relieved the Annenburg Foundation of several million dollars. I wonder what happened to all the money? Where is your evidence of this? Your party is over. If Obama's idea of community orgainizing can't produce anything better than a big new million dollar house for himself and one for the Rev Wright, then probably your party is over! A million dollar house isn't anything nowadays and a politician, even conservative ones, needs to live in a secure neighborhood. This argument has little merit. My bet as we move away from the Republican convention we'll see more of a surge in the polls for Obama and there is already a surge in Democratic Party voter registrations: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Democrats_post_big_gains_in_voter_0906.html I don't doubt that Obama is saddened by his mentor's conviction, but the rest of his statement is from outer space. This isn't the Tony Rezko I knew. Deja vu, anyone? I could swear I've heard it somewhere before. Sure enough--the racist, anti-American Rev. Wright whom we've all seen on video wasn't the Rev. Wright whom Obama knew for 20 years, either. And the outrageously bigoted Father Pfleger wasn't the Pfleger whom Obama assiduously supported with earmarks--another form of political corruption. Read more: 'The Most Wildly Inappropriate Statement Ever?' Posted by Posted by John Hinderaker: Powerline, June 4, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6jygm4 Mudslinging the popular sport of election years through history. What else is new. Why aren't you posting Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity too?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis wrote: That stuff about his associating with terrorists doesn't pass the smell test with me and demeaning his community organizing work is pathetic. From what I've read, Obama used to work for the terrorist Ayers. They both got a lot of money from the Anneneburg Foundation for a housing project. Maybe you should read some facts. Ayers has been on the board of the annenburg foundation along with many other leading citizens of chicago for many yrs. Obama was on it for 3 yrs. Maybe you could read up on what exactly a board of directors is and does and you'd understand obama never got any money from that foundation. Ayers is a professor and active in helping the poor, he's not under any criminal suspicion, though he was a member of the weather underground. Apparently you haven't been keeping up with the news! You reading chain emails from paid right wing assassins? Doing good is not bad. Not by a long shot. But the housing project is now boarded up. What happened to all the money? Is this an example of the kind of community orgainizing you'd want for your neighborhood? Documents released Tuesday by the University of Illinois at Chicago shed some light on Barack Obama's relationship with William Ayers, a founding member of the 1960s and 1970s radical group the Weather Underground. The documents showed virtually no connection between obama and ayers except both present at some boards meetings together. Read more: 'Newly Released Documents Highlight Obama's Relationship With Ayers' Fox News, Tuesday, August 26, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5bwee2
[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: snip Documents released Tuesday by the University of Illinois at Chicago shed some light on Barack Obama's relationship with William Ayers, a founding member of the 1960s and 1970s radical group the Weather Underground. The documents showed virtually no connection between obama and ayers except both present at some boards meetings together. You forgot their appearances together at several panel discussions, one of them arranged by Michelle Obama. You also forgot that Ayers and his wife, former Weather Underground member and fugitive Bernadine Dohrn, hosted a fundraising event in their home for Obama when he was running for state senate. Yet in the debate in April in Philadelphia, when asked about Ayers, Obama said: This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from [sic] on a regular basis. (Actually Ayers is a professor of education, not of English. You'd think Obama would know that from having worked with him on the Annenberg Challenge.) As far as I'm concerned, the issue isn't that Obama worked closely with Ayers or that Ayers and Dohrn supported him for the Illinois senate. It's that Obama hasn't been straightforward about the association.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis wrote: That stuff about his associating with terrorists doesn't pass the smell test with me and demeaning his community organizing work is pathetic. From what I've read, Obama used to work for the terrorist Ayers. They both got a lot of money from the Anneneburg Foundation for a housing project. Apparently you haven't been keeping up with the news! Doing good is not bad. Not by a long shot. But the housing project is now boarded up. What happened to all the money? Is this an example of the kind of community orgainizing you'd want for your neighborhood? Documents released Tuesday by the University of Illinois at Chicago shed some light on Barack Obama's relationship with William Ayers, a founding member of the 1960s and 1970s radical group the Weather Underground. Read more: 'Newly Released Documents Highlight Obama's Relationship With Ayers' Fox News, Tuesday, August 26, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5bwee2 Just read the article. The smoking gun in your eyes is...? L
