[FairfieldLife] Re: Obamas Trust Problem
You may as well be a wingnut. I write to another list that's very right wing and find that there is more aggressive attacking from you about Obama [on anything at all you can dig up about him to attack him with] than any individual wingnut there - with the exception of a few clearly mentally challenged extremist sociopaths. My guess is it's quite apparent to most readers here except maybe for a couple of the resident right wingers that you have a personal grudge problem, Ms Dog with regard to your Champion Hillary losing to an inadequate black man [the latter in quotes is from from a frothing woman Obama hater after Obama was chosen over Hillary to run for president]. You'd fit right in with the current crop of fringe wingnut losers. Obama IS going to get a decent health care reform bill passed and the economy IS starting to gradually turn around despite your self-revealing and self-defeating incessant bitter carping. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: A backlash in the progressive base which pushed President Obama over the top in the Democratic primary and played a major role in his general election victory has been building for months. The fight over the public option involves real policy substance, but it's also a proxy for broader questions about the president's priorities and overall approach Meanwhile, on such fraught questions as torture and indefinite detention, the president has dismayed progressives with his reluctance to challenge or change Bush administration policy. And then there's the matter of the banks. I don't know if administration officials realize just how much damage they've done themselves with their kid-gloves treatment of the financial industry, just how badly the spectacle of government supported institutions paying giant bonuses is playing. But I've had many conversations with people who voted for Mr. Obama, yet dismiss the stimulus as a total waste of money. When I press them, it turns out that they're really angry about the bailouts rather than the stimulus but that's a distinction lost on most voters. PAUL KRUGMAN August 20, 2009 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/opinion/21krugman.html?_r=1partner=rssnytemc=rss
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obamas Trust Problem
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: snip My guess is it's quite apparent to most readers here except maybe for a couple of the resident right wingers that you have a personal grudge problem, Ms Dog with regard to your Champion Hillary losing Funny thing, though, how so many of Obama's most fervent progressive supporters (and Hillary-haters) are making the same criticisms as Raunchy. It's way, WAY past time to quit accusing Obama's critics on the left of Obama-hatred, as increasing numbers of his supporters are publicly voicing their disappointment in him. It's just a cheap way to delegitimize that criticism and avoid addressing it on its own terms. to an inadequate black man [the latter in quotes is from from a frothing woman Obama hater after Obama was chosen over Hillary to run for president]. For the record, that comment wasn't made after Obama had won the nomination; it was made after the Democratic Rules Committee meeting at which some rules were unconscionably bent so as to ultimately give him the nomination. How quickly we forget...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obamas Trust Problem
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: snip My guess is it's quite apparent to most readers here except maybe for a couple of the resident right wingers that you have a personal grudge problem, Ms Dog with regard to your Champion Hillary losing Funny thing, though, how so many of Obama's most fervent progressive supporters (and Hillary-haters) are making the same criticisms as Raunchy. From Bob Herbert's NYTimes column today (in the primary, he was an Obama supporter and a Hillary critic): ...It's still early, but people are starting to lose faith in the president. I hear almost daily from men and women who voted enthusiastically for Mr. Obama but are feeling disappointed. They feel that the banks made out like bandits in the bailouts, and that the health care initiative could become a boondoggle. Their biggest worry is that Mr. Obama is soft, that he is unwilling or incapable of fighting hard enough to counter the forces responsible for the sorry state the country is in. More and more the president is being seen by his own supporters as someone who would like to please everybody, who is naïve about the prospects for bipartisanship, who believes that his strongest supporters will stay with him because they have nowhere else to go, and who will retreat whenever the Republicans and the corporate crowd come after him Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/22/opinion/22herbert.html?_r=1ref=opinion http://tinyurl.com/noogxs BTW, many of those who did *not* support Obama in the primary had *precisely* the suspicions Herbert says are now being voiced by his supporters. Many of us supported Hillary because we didn't think she was similarly afflicted.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obamas Trust Problem
On Aug 22, 2009, at 7:48 AM, do.rflex wrote: You may as well be a wingnut. I write to another list that's very right wing and find that there is more aggressive attacking from you about Obama [on anything at all you can dig up about him to attack him with] than any individual wingnut there - with the exception of a few clearly mentally challenged extremist sociopaths. My guess is it's quite apparent to most readers here except maybe for a couple of the resident right wingers that you have a personal grudge problem, Ms Dog with regard to your Champion Hillary losing to an inadequate black man [the latter in quotes is from from a frothing woman Obama hater after Obama was chosen over Hillary to run for president]. You'd fit right in with the current crop of fringe wingnut losers. Obama IS going to get a decent health care reform bill passed and the economy IS starting to gradually turn around despite your self- revealing and self-defeating incessant bitter carping. Amen. It's clearly become a personal issue for rd, she's basically lost all self-control or sense of perspective as far as Obama is concerned. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obamas Trust Problem
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Aug 22, 2009, at 7:48 AM, do.rflex wrote: snip Obama IS going to get a decent health care reform bill passed and the economy IS starting to gradually turn around despite your self-revealing and self- defeating incessant bitter carping. Amen. It's clearly become a personal issue for rd, she's basically lost all self-control or sense of perspective as far as Obama is concerned. Actually, Raunchy (and I) had the sense of perspective way back during the primary that Obama's supporters are only now beginning to wake up to. From Bob Herbert's column today: ...It's still early, but people are starting to lose faith in the president. I hear almost daily from men and women who voted enthusiastically for Mr. Obama but are feeling disappointed. They feel that the banks made out like bandits in the bailouts, and that the health care initiative could become a boondoggle. Their biggest worry is that Mr. Obama is soft, that he is unwilling or incapable of fighting hard enough to counter the forces responsible for the sorry state the country is in. More and more the president is being seen by his own supporters as someone who would like to please everybody, who is naïve about the prospects for bipartisanship, who believes that his strongest supporters will stay with him because they have nowhere else to go, and who will retreat whenever the Republicans and the corporate crowd come after him Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/22/opinion/22herbert.html?_r=1ref=opinion http://tinyurl.com/noogxs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obamas Trust Problem
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Aug 22, 2009, at 7:48 AM, do.rflex wrote: You may as well be a wingnut. I write to another list that's very right wing and find that there is more aggressive attacking from you about Obama [on anything at all you can dig up about him to attack him with] than any individual wingnut there - with the exception of a few clearly mentally challenged extremist sociopaths. My guess is it's quite apparent to most readers here except maybe for a couple of the resident right wingers that you have a personal grudge problem, Ms Dog with regard to your Champion Hillary losing to an inadequate black man [the latter in quotes is from from a frothing woman Obama hater after Obama was chosen over Hillary to run for president]. You'd fit right in with the current crop of fringe wingnut losers. Obama IS going to get a decent health care reform bill passed and the economy IS starting to gradually turn around despite your self- revealing and self-defeating incessant bitter carping. Amen. It's clearly become a personal issue for rd, she's basically lost all self-control or sense of perspective as far as Obama is concerned. Sal We also forget, what happened to Hillary, back in '93... We lose perspective on how pervasive the money interests are, and how many psychopathic personalities, are running the Corporations, the CIA, and so forth... They are hitting back with everything they have... Mexico apparently has had it with U.S. psychopathic drugs laws, which only pump up the violence... President Obama is taking this one step at a time, in order that the 'People', take some responsibly to push back on the money/power interests... The only real way to fight these bastards, is for people, who are aware, take some action, any action, to further their agenda... Because the other side, is working 24/7 for their manipulations... R.g.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obamas Trust Problem
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Aug 22, 2009, at 7:48 AM, do.rflex wrote: You may as well be a wingnut. I write to another list that's very right wing and find that there is more aggressive attacking from you about Obama [on anything at all you can dig up about him to attack him with] than any individual wingnut there - with the exception of a few clearly mentally challenged extremist sociopaths. My guess is it's quite apparent to most readers here except maybe for a couple of the resident right wingers that you have a personal grudge problem, Ms Dog with regard to your Champion Hillary losing to an inadequate black man [the latter in quotes is from from a frothing woman Obama hater after Obama was chosen over Hillary to run for president]. You'd fit right in with the current crop of fringe wingnut losers. Obama IS going to get a decent health care reform bill passed and the economy IS starting to gradually turn around despite your self- revealing and self-defeating incessant bitter carping. Amen. It's clearly become a personal issue for rd, she's basically lost all self-control or sense of perspective as far as Obama is concerned. Sal Geez Sal, Pick up a newspaper and read it once in a while. Don't you know that Paul Krugman is no slouch just shooting off his mouth (like some people we know)? He won the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics in 2008. He is a respected writer for the New York Times. He has a better understanding of the political players in Washington than just about anybody at the Times. Wikipedia: As of 2006, Krugman has written or edited in excess of 25 books, over 40 scholarly articles and 750 columns at The New York Times dealing with current economic and political issues. When Paul Krugman speaks, I listen and you should at least take notice.
