[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
Judy, you so mean. WTF? Shot my wad? Shot my wad? -- as if! As if I could be exhausted from merely spurting one fertile thought towards your mental orifices and call it a proper mindfuck. And your haughty riposte seems to indicate that you completely have missed the fragility of the crust concept if you're not braced by the metaphor, and correct me if I'm wrong, and I know you will, but it seems you're even pooh-poohing these risks that are Swords of Damocles above all our heads. Seems to me you're a flat-earther type who thinks, just because she's never really been whacked goodly by a tsunami of lava, she's sure it won't happen here. One small volcanic eruption and Europe comes to a standstill -- it just doesn't take that much more to really fuck up civilization and you're mindfully ignoring that -- so's to put me down for my loose prognostications. There is nowhere on Earth that cannot have an eruption or 8.0+ quake. The edges of the plates, of course, are where it's most likely, but the concept relatively thinner than an egg's shell means that anywhere means anywhere. Your nitpicking about which volcano and how much has happened in the past is red herring -- shame on you. Fucking shame on you for purposefully diverting to lesser issues when this one volcano is so thoroughly teaching the world about its delicacies. Where's your Castaneda warrior attitude of always squarely facing death? Life is robbed if one is blind to the possibilities. Not that folks should be shuddering and pissing in their socks all the time, but that such information about the risks would serve to heighten our appreciation for what we have when we have it. It's like that often told story of the Zen monk hanging by a root over a cliff with a tiger at the edge and a precipice below and he eats a strawberry growing there -- and says, Ah! Man that's one great strawberry. Wait, did I miss something? Were you disappointed that I shot my wad too quickly? Or was my wad disappointingly teaspoonish when you were hoping for something quartish? Are you in fact asking me to wad-sate ya? It's a question many here might ask about you, but I'm checking with you first. Wad ya think? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Too lazy to look it up, but I did read that Katla is able to be almost a world killer -- but that was about almost killing all life on Earth -- the lesser damage of killing humanity due to mass starvation is a much more possible result out of a Katla event. Conceivable, but unlikely. AS I SAID, Katla erupts about twice a century, and it hasn't killed the world or killed humanity by mass starvation yet. Icelanders living anywhere near it should be worried, and depending on what it spews and which way the winds are blowing, it could cause big problems in Europe with air travel and maybe some crops. Iceland's Laki eruption in 1783 killed thousands across Europe and caused a famine in France and a very cold winter around the globe. Could that be what you're thinking of? That was the worst one in recent history from Iceland. What you really need to worry about, of course, is the Yellowstone caldera. Definitely a potential world-killer. But apparently the uplift has slowed way down recently, so geologists aren't as concerned as they were. snip The crust is thinner than an egg shell and the inside of the egg is up to about 10,000 F degreeshotter than the surface of the sun. There's your protection that volcanoes so easily pierce. Feeling a bit more at risk? My job is done here. Not even a tad bit. But you've shot your wad, so your job is done here anyway.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: snip And your haughty riposte seems to indicate that you completely have missed the fragility of the crust concept if you're not braced by the metaphor, and correct me if I'm wrong, and I know you will, but it seems you're even pooh-poohing these risks that are Swords of Damocles above all our heads. You asked, Feeling a bit MORE at risk? (emphasis added).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
Gaia, dude. Can't get much clearer than that. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodle...@... wrote: The European aviation industry emits 344,109 tons of CO2 per day. Eyjafjallajokull emits about 15,000 tons of CO2 a day. The 60% flight ban in Eurpoe has thus saved 206,465 tons every day. Which, from a battling global warming perspective, is an amazing amount to be thankful for. From: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/apr/19/iceland-volcano-ash-planes-europe
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off. TurquoiseB wrote: Gaia, dude. Can't get much clearer than that. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodle...@... wrote: The European aviation industry emits 344,109 tons of CO2 per day. Eyjafjallajokull emits about 15,000 tons of CO2 a day. The 60% flight ban in Eurpoe has thus saved 206,465 tons every day. Which, from a battling global warming perspective, is an amazing amount to be thankful for. From: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/apr/19/iceland-volcano-ash-planes-europe
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? I nominate Nabby.
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Al Gore, the High Priest of Global Warming? --- On Mon, 4/19/10, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 7:12 PM That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Bhairitu noozg...@.. . wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs .com/eruptions/ 2010/04/changes_ in_the_eruption_ at_eyj.php http://tinyurl. com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr. com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv. is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog. ldc.upenn. edu/nll/? p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook .com/video/ video.php? v=1395588323904 ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
Here's a link to Katla tremor updates: http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/stodvaplott.html Duveyoung wrote: That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
If Katla lights up tomorrow -- all the 420'ers'll think it's a sign from God. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Here's a link to Katla tremor updates: http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/stodvaplott.html Duveyoung wrote: That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. Yes, that's been in the news for days now; you don't have to live around volcanos to have picked it up. Hekla has erupted before when the other one did. The point is that the report this morning was in error. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public I quoted two *bloggers*, Bhairitu, in addition to MSNBC. One lives in Iceland within sight of the Hekla volcano and is keeping tabs on the tremors; in Iceland, you *want* to alarm the public if there's a volcano erupting so those nearby can get out of the way. The other blogger has a scientific reputation to uphold and isn't worried about alarming anybody. but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. Nobody's doing damage control, Bhairitu. Hekla isn't erupting, sorry. Maybe later. Maybe soon. If it does, we'll hear about it right away. It's not exactly the sort of thing you can keep under wraps even if you wanted to. I gave a link to a Webcam of the volcano. You can see for yourself that it's quiet. Oh, wait, maybe they're feeding it footage from last year so nobody will know there's an eruption going on! Sheesh. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
I heard the Native Americans in the Pacific Northwest have an old saying: When little sister calls, big brother answers, referring to Mt. St. Helens and Mt. Rainier. The answer is not necessarily immediate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. The volcano that was incorrectly reported to have erupted was Hekla. The big mofo is Katla. It blows about twice a century, so I guess the world must have been crushed on a pretty regular basis. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion Not. It's unlikely to be a big threat anywhere but in Iceland. If it spews a lot of ash and the wind is right, that could be a problem elsewhere, but not a world- crushing one. -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
You SOUND like you're trying to do damage control. :-D All I did was pass along the info the MSNBC reported plus comment on what would happen if it blows. Ever been to a volcano? Ever look at the mapping of how the lava flows to the surface. I would suspect at the some point there is a split that goes one way the volcano that is currently blowing and the bigger volcano. It may take more energy for the bigger one to blow. There is a map of that kind of flow at the local volcano which shows how they thing the flow worked it way to the surface at the main peak and the one next door. Fortunately it blew about 4000 years ago. Mt. Tamalpais just north of San Francisco is also an extinct volcano. We'll see what happens. authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. Yes, that's been in the news for days now; you don't have to live around volcanos to have picked it up. Hekla has erupted before when the other one did. The point is that the report this morning was in error. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public I quoted two *bloggers*, Bhairitu, in addition to MSNBC. One lives in Iceland within sight of the Hekla volcano and is keeping tabs on the tremors; in Iceland, you *want* to alarm the public if there's a volcano erupting so those nearby can get out of the way. The other blogger has a scientific reputation to uphold and isn't worried about alarming anybody. but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. Nobody's doing damage control, Bhairitu. Hekla isn't erupting, sorry. Maybe later. Maybe soon. If it does, we'll hear about it right away. It's not exactly the sort of thing you can keep under wraps even if you wanted to. I gave a link to a Webcam of the volcano. You can see for yourself that it's quiet. Oh, wait, maybe they're feeding it footage from last year so nobody will know there's an eruption going on! Sheesh. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
Rick Archer wrote: I heard the Native Americans in the Pacific Northwest have an old saying: When little sister calls, big brother answers, referring to Mt. St. Helens and Mt. Rainier. The answer is not necessarily immediate. It's called the Pacific Ring of Fire and when St. Helen's blew then activity was observed later on Rainier, I think more in the 1990s. The devastation if Rainier blew would be something. But Seattle worries more about the subduction fault the city is built on. Frankly San Francisco should be nothing but a port with single level warehouses and not a city at all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: You SOUND like you're trying to do damage control. :-D No damage to BE controlled. All I did was pass along the info the MSNBC reported plus comment on what would happen if it blows. No reason for you not to do that. But all I did was quote an MSNBC update and two reputable blogs to the effect that the earlier report was false, and point out that nobody else was reporting it. And you suggested the report was being denied because they didn't want the public to be alarmed--as if you could keep a volcano eruption from the public! Ever been to a volcano? Ever look at the mapping of how the lava flows to the surface. Bhairitu, I'm not disputing that one or the other of the two nearby volcanos could well blow. They've done it before when this one erupted; and it's well known that volcanos that are near each other can be connected in various ways. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if one of the others erupted. It's just that it didn't happen *this morning*. I would suspect at the some point there is a split that goes one way the volcano that is currently blowing and the bigger volcano. It may take more energy for the bigger one to blow. There is a map of that kind of flow at the local volcano which shows how they thing the flow worked it way to the surface at the main peak and the one next door. Fortunately it blew about 4000 years ago. Mt. Tamalpais just north of San Francisco is also an extinct volcano. We'll see what happens. authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. Yes, that's been in the news for days now; you don't have to live around volcanos to have picked it up. Hekla has erupted before when the other one did. The point is that the report this morning was in error. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public I quoted two *bloggers*, Bhairitu, in addition to MSNBC. One lives in Iceland within sight of the Hekla volcano and is keeping tabs on the tremors; in Iceland, you *want* to alarm the public if there's a volcano erupting so those nearby can get out of the way. The other blogger has a scientific reputation to uphold and isn't worried about alarming anybody. but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. Nobody's doing damage control, Bhairitu. Hekla isn't erupting, sorry. Maybe later. Maybe soon. If it does, we'll hear about it right away. It's not exactly the sort of thing you can keep under wraps even if you wanted to. I gave a link to a Webcam of the volcano. You can see for yourself that it's quiet. Oh, wait, maybe they're feeding it footage from last year so nobody will know there's an eruption going on! Sheesh. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
Too lazy to look it up, but I did read that Katla is able to be almost a world killer -- but that was about almost killing all life on Earth -- the lesser damage of killing humanity due to mass starvation is a much more possible result out of a Katla event. Here's a concept that most folks really don't have a handle on: the thinness of the Earth's crust. How thin? Well the Earth's diameter is about 8,000 miles, and the crust is at most 50 miles thick and under the oceans it's only about five to ten miles thick. About a third of one percent of the diameter of the Earth. Sounds like a lot of rock between us and the hot interior, right? Well it is -- we're not boiling, right?, but though rock has great insulating properties, the crust's thinness is very very much thinner than you might expect -- relatively speaking, and it is this I wish to underline -- with a metaphor that packs a punch for me. Consider this: if the Earth were the size of a billiard ball, if one touches the ball where there is ocean, it would feel only barely moist to the touch. And if you breathed upon it -- fogged it as if to clean your eyeglasses -- then that layer of water you've put upon the ball would be one of Earth's deepest oceans. See? The oceans are about five miles deep, and so is the crust under the oceansthat's about 1/1000th of the Earth's diameter. The crust is thinner than an egg shell and the inside of the egg is up to about 10,000 F degreeshotter than the surface of the sun. There's your protection that volcanoes so easily pierce. Feeling a bit more at risk? My job is done here. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. The volcano that was incorrectly reported to have erupted was Hekla. The big mofo is Katla. It blows about twice a century, so I guess the world must have been crushed on a pretty regular basis. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion Not. It's unlikely to be a big threat anywhere but in Iceland. If it spews a lot of ash and the wind is right, that could be a problem elsewhere, but not a world- crushing one. -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Too lazy to look it up, but I did read that Katla is able to be almost a world killer -- but that was about almost killing all life on Earth -- the lesser damage of killing humanity due to mass starvation is a much more possible result out of a Katla event. Conceivable, but unlikely. AS I SAID, Katla erupts about twice a century, and it hasn't killed the world or killed humanity by mass starvation yet. Icelanders living anywhere near it should be worried, and depending on what it spews and which way the winds are blowing, it could cause big problems in Europe with air travel and maybe some crops. Iceland's Laki eruption in 1783 killed thousands across Europe and caused a famine in France and a very cold winter around the globe. Could that be what you're thinking of? That was the worst one in recent history from Iceland. What you really need to worry about, of course, is the Yellowstone caldera. Definitely a potential world-killer. But apparently the uplift has slowed way down recently, so geologists aren't as concerned as they were. snip The crust is thinner than an egg shell and the inside of the egg is up to about 10,000 F degreeshotter than the surface of the sun. There's your protection that volcanoes so easily pierce. Feeling a bit more at risk? My job is done here. Not even a tad bit. But you've shot your wad, so your job is done here anyway.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
I kind of hope this thing doesn't peter out for your sake Edg. You seem to thrive on this sort of thing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? I nominate Nabby. Maybe Edg can do a version of his, get ten people to vouch for him sort of thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
That's really neat. Although I could look it up, can you tell us again, what keeps the earth's core continually hot, as in, why hasn't it cooled down already? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Too lazy to look it up, but I did read that Katla is able to be almost a world killer -- but that was about almost killing all life on Earth -- the lesser damage of killing humanity due to mass starvation is a much more possible result out of a Katla event. Here's a concept that most folks really don't have a handle on: the thinness of the Earth's crust. How thin? Well the Earth's diameter is about 8,000 miles, and the crust is at most 50 miles thick and under the oceans it's only about five to ten miles thick. About a third of one percent of the diameter of the Earth. Sounds like a lot of rock between us and the hot interior, right? Well it is -- we're not boiling, right?, but though rock has great insulating properties, the crust's thinness is very very much thinner than you might expect -- relatively speaking, and it is this I wish to underline -- with a metaphor that packs a punch for me. Consider this: if the Earth were the size of a billiard ball, if one touches the ball where there is ocean, it would feel only barely moist to the touch. And if you breathed upon it -- fogged it as if to clean your eyeglasses -- then that layer of water you've put upon the ball would be one of Earth's deepest oceans. See? The oceans are about five miles deep, and so is the crust under the oceansthat's about 1/1000th of the Earth's diameter. The crust is thinner than an egg shell and the inside of the egg is up to about 10,000 F degreeshotter than the surface of the sun. There's your protection that volcanoes so easily pierce. Feeling a bit more at risk? My job is done here. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. The volcano that was incorrectly reported to have erupted was Hekla. The big mofo is Katla. It blows about twice a century, so I guess the world must have been crushed on a pretty regular basis. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion Not. It's unlikely to be a big threat anywhere but in Iceland. If it spews a lot of ash and the wind is right, that could be a problem elsewhere, but not a world- crushing one. -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour:
