Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-15 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/14/06 11:51 PM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Are you sure
 you weren't over in Livingston Manor? It would have
 been easier to hide from
 you that MMY was in S. Fallsburg.
 
 I was in South Fallsburg. The first time I was at
 Livingston Manor was not until April 1979, when I went
 there for the first CAC Phase III. Phase III sounded
 interesting to the citizens who went on it, but it
 turned out to be just rounding with what we already
 had.  
 
 Do you recall if the course administrators instructed
 the governors to hide the fact that MMY was there from
 all the citizens?

Don't know. He was walking around the halls to go from the lecture hall to
his room. I don't remember being told to keep his presence there a secret.
 
 It looks like they pulled off an amazing hoodwink.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-15 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 3/14/06 11:51 PM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  Are you sure
  you weren't over in Livingston Manor? It would have
  been easier to hide from
  you that MMY was in S. Fallsburg.
  
  I was in South Fallsburg. The first time I was at
  Livingston Manor was not until April 1979, when I went
  there for the first CAC Phase III. Phase III sounded
  interesting to the citizens who went on it, but it
  turned out to be just rounding with what we already
  had.  
  
  Do you recall if the course administrators instructed
  the governors to hide the fact that MMY was there from
  all the citizens?
 
 Don't know. He was walking around the halls to go from the lecture hall to
 his room. I don't remember being told to keep his presence there a secret.
  
  It looks like they pulled off an amazing hoodwink.


I recall thast the meeting with MMY was for teachers/governors only, so if you 
weren't  
teaches yet, you probaboy would not have been put on buses and sent over to S 
Fallsburg. 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-15 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/15/06 11:42 AM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I recall thast the meeting with MMY was for teachers/governors only, so if you
 weren't  
 teaches yet, you probaboy would not have been put on buses and sent over to S
 Fallsburg. 

But he said he was in S. Fallsburg already.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-15 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 on 3/15/06 11:42 AM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I recall thast the meeting with MMY was for teachers/
  governors only, so if you weren't teaches yet, you 
  probaboy would not have been put on buses and sent over 
  to S Fallsburg. 
 
 But he said he was in S. Fallsburg already.

What kind of TBs *are* you guys? The fact that some
people saw him there and some didn't is proof of his 
mastery of the invisibility siddhi.  :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 3/15/06 11:42 AM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I recall thast the meeting with MMY was for teachers/governors 
only, so if you
  weren't  
  teaches yet, you probaboy would not have been put on buses and 
sent over to S
  Fallsburg. 
 
 But he said he was in S. Fallsburg already.

I was a lowly staffer at the Manor in early to mid 78 when MMY 
visited the area. He stayed at S. Fallsburg, which was then a 
women's only facility. Some non-guvs went over on a bus from the 
Manor, and apparently waited for hours in a hallway waiting for the 
master to walk by. Thankfully for some reason I didn't. 

And I did hear that MMY was pissed about the condition of the Manor, 
which he should've been-- To quote the late great Betty Davis, What 
a dump; roof leaks everywhere, unstable building foundations, rats 
in the kitchen...

PS looking over the MUM faculty web page yesterday, I noticed Wally 
DeVasier, who was one of the three managers of the Manor when I was 
there. What a charmer. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-15 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ 
 wrote:
  on 3/15/06 11:42 AM, wayback71 at wayback71@ wrote:
   
   I recall thast the meeting with MMY was for teachers/
   governors only, so if you weren't teaches yet, you 
   probaboy would not have been put on buses and sent over 
   to S Fallsburg. 
  
  But he said he was in S. Fallsburg already.
 
 What kind of TBs *are* you guys? The fact that some
 people saw him there and some didn't is proof of his 
 mastery of the invisibility siddhi.  :-)


Kinda like one of your former teachers, eh? Some clearly saw him shape
shifting and some cleary did not!






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-15 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/15/06 12:54 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 PS looking over the MUM faculty web page yesterday, I noticed Wally
 DeVasier, who was one of the three managers of the Manor when I was
 there. What a charmer.

I was another of the three. The third was Tim Gautherat.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 3/15/06 12:54 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  PS looking over the MUM faculty web page yesterday, I noticed Wally
  DeVasier, who was one of the three managers of the Manor when I was
  there. What a charmer.
 
 I was another of the three. The third was Tim Gautherat.

I don't remember you. I do recall Tim, who was aghast I'd go out into 
the real world after a year at the Manor. The third guy was someone 
who MMY had originally said should leave, but he begged to stay and 
did. Very officious acting guy, always rushing to and fro, with brown 
wavy hair. Its been awhile...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-15 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/15/06 2:11 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 on 3/15/06 12:54 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 PS looking over the MUM faculty web page yesterday, I noticed Wally
 DeVasier, who was one of the three managers of the Manor when I was
 there. What a charmer.
 
 I was another of the three. The third was Tim Gautherat.
 
 I don't remember you. I do recall Tim, who was aghast I'd go out into
 the real world after a year at the Manor. The third guy was someone
 who MMY had originally said should leave, but he begged to stay and
 did. Very officious acting guy, always rushing to and fro, with brown
 wavy hair. Its been awhile...

Maybe he came after me. I left in the late spring or early summer of '78 to
go to the Rhode Island campaign. My hair has never been wavy, although I am
surely guilty of officiousness and rushing.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 3/15/06 2:11 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
fairfieldlife@
  wrote:
  
  on 3/15/06 12:54 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote:
  
  PS looking over the MUM faculty web page yesterday, I noticed 
Wally
  DeVasier, who was one of the three managers of the Manor when 
I was
  there. What a charmer.
  
  I was another of the three. The third was Tim Gautherat.
  
  I don't remember you. I do recall Tim, who was aghast I'd go out 
into
  the real world after a year at the Manor. The third guy was 
someone
  who MMY had originally said should leave, but he begged to stay 
and
  did. Very officious acting guy, always rushing to and fro, with 
brown
  wavy hair. Its been awhile...
 
 Maybe he came after me. I left in the late spring or early summer 
of '78 to
 go to the Rhode Island campaign. My hair has never been wavy, 
although I am
 surely guilty of officiousness and rushing.


OK- yeah, from the pics I've seen of you, it definitely wasn't 
you... 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-14 Thread gullible fool

 Are you sure
 you weren't over in Livingston Manor? It would have
 been easier to hide from
 you that MMY was in S. Fallsburg.

I was in South Fallsburg. The first time I was at 
Livingston Manor was not until April 1979, when I went
there for the first CAC Phase III. Phase III sounded
interesting to the citizens who went on it, but it
turned out to be just rounding with what we already
had.  

Do you recall if the course administrators instructed
the governors to hide the fact that MMY was there from
all the citizens? 

It looks like they pulled off an amazing hoodwink.

--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 3/13/06 11:30 PM, gullible fool at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  That's when I was there. I took the sidhis in 1977
  from Aug 12 to Oct 7, with block 3 Sept 9-23, the
 same
  time as the governors conference. I can't believe
 that
  MMY was there, though, because no one on the
 citizens
  side of things ever saw him. If he indeed was at
 the
  conference, the staff pulled an amazing hoodwink
 on
  the hundred-plus citizen sidhas that were there.
 
 I know it was 1977, because I was teaching prep
 courses that year. I flew to
 Newark Airport from Salt Lake City to attend the
 conference. I know it was
 S. Fallsburg and not Livingston Manor. I know MMY
 was there because I was in
 his room several times, up on the stage shooting my
 mouth off, in the flying
 hall with him watching us fly, etc. I visited my
 sister in NJ after the
 course and flew back to Boise from JFK, with a stop
 in Denver. Are you sure
 you weren't over in Livingston Manor? It would have
 been easier to hide from
 you that MMY was in S. Fallsburg.
 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-13 Thread gullible fool

It must have been a different year, Rick, because MMY
was not at South Fallsburg in person at any time
during my three-month stay. I remember a capitol lady
telling all the citizens that MMY had just *called*
the governors and told them they would all be hovering
the next summer. I believe MMY came to the US the next
year, in 1978, or in early 1979. Maybe the conference
was later than 1977?
 
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 on 3/11/06 11:13 PM, gullible fool at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  When was that conference, Rick? I know there was a
  two-week conference with about 120 governors in
  September 1977, at which time I was on block three
 of
  my citizen sidhis course. Was MMY calling from
 Europe
  at the time? I don't recall ever hearing of him
 being
  in South Fallsburg.
 
 That was it. He was there in person.
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-13 Thread anonyff
G. Fool

I think you are right-1979 is what I remembered also. 

AnonyFF

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 It must have been a different year, Rick, because MMY
 was not at South Fallsburg in person at any time
 during my three-month stay. I remember a capitol lady
 telling all the citizens that MMY had just *called*
 the governors and told them they would all be hovering
 the next summer. I believe MMY came to the US the next
 year, in 1978, or in early 1979. Maybe the conference
 was later than 1977?
  
 --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  on 3/11/06 11:13 PM, gullible fool at
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   
   When was that conference, Rick? I know there was a
   two-week conference with about 120 governors in
   September 1977, at which time I was on block three
  of
   my citizen sidhis course. Was MMY calling from
  Europe
   at the time? I don't recall ever hearing of him
  being
   in South Fallsburg.
  
  That was it. He was there in person.
  
  
  
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-13 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/13/06 10:21 PM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 It must have been a different year, Rick, because MMY
 was not at South Fallsburg in person at any time
 during my three-month stay. I remember a capitol lady
 telling all the citizens that MMY had just *called*
 the governors and told them they would all be hovering
 the next summer. I believe MMY came to the US the next
 year, in 1978, or in early 1979. Maybe the conference
 was later than 1977?

I kept a record of all the techniques and courses I participated in. here's
my record of that course, which MMY attended:

 
  Exec. Gov. Conf.   S. Fallsburg   Sept., Œ77   2 Wks   Maharishi   




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-13 Thread gullible fool

That's when I was there. I took the sidhis in 1977
from Aug 12 to Oct 7, with block 3 Sept 9-23, the same
time as the governors conference. I can't believe that
MMY was there, though, because no one on the citizens
side of things ever saw him. If he indeed was at the
conference, the staff pulled an amazing hoodwink on
the hundred-plus citizen sidhas that were there.

Is there anyone else on FFL who was on your conference
and can corroborate?  
 
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 3/13/06 10:21 PM, gullible fool at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  It must have been a different year, Rick, because
 MMY
  was not at South Fallsburg in person at any time
  during my three-month stay. I remember a capitol
 lady
  telling all the citizens that MMY had just
 *called*
  the governors and told them they would all be
 hovering
  the next summer. I believe MMY came to the US the
 next
  year, in 1978, or in early 1979. Maybe the
 conference
  was later than 1977?
 
 I kept a record of all the techniques and courses I
 participated in. here's
 my record of that course, which MMY attended:
 
  
   Exec. Gov. Conf.   S. Fallsburg   Sept., Œ77   2
 Wks   Maharishi   
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 It must have been a different year, Rick, because MMY
 was not at South Fallsburg in person at any time
 during my three-month stay. I remember a capitol lady
 telling all the citizens that MMY had just *called*
 the governors and told them they would all be hovering
 the next summer. I believe MMY came to the US the next
 year, in 1978, or in early 1979. Maybe the conference
 was later than 1977?

If you have any trouble getting to the bottom of
this mystery, I hear that Shemp is working as a 
private dick these days...  :-)


 --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  on 3/11/06 11:13 PM, gullible fool at
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   
   When was that conference, Rick? I know there was a
   two-week conference with about 120 governors in
   September 1977, at which time I was on block three
  of
   my citizen sidhis course. Was MMY calling from
  Europe
   at the time? I don't recall ever hearing of him
  being
   in South Fallsburg.
  
  That was it. He was there in person.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-12 Thread anonyff
Shemp

You're welcome. Be aware that it's a paraphrase. up until the three
dots (...) it's pretty acurate, after that it sums up what he said in
kinda sorta those words. Maybe Rick can add to it to make it more
accurate.

Curly

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wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote:
 
 
 [snip]
 
  Every day is life. We don't postpone the present based on the hopes
  of a more glorious future...It doesn't just happen all at once, it's 
 a
  process...what makes you think that if you don't enjoy the process 
 you
  will enjoy being in Unity Consciousness...
 
 [snip]
 
 What a fabulous quote.
 
 Thanks for publishing it!








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-12 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I just found my old notebook, where I had written it down (I wasn't
present, its just a copy that was circulated at some courses):

Every day is life. It is not that we pass on the present for some
glorius future. We are working out unity, but it should not be thought
that we begin living life when in unity. Every day is life. Don't keep
on planning. All the days would be lost. Live simpler form of
awareness. Don't entertain conflicts. That in itself is the mechanics
of success of the future. Life must be lived in its fullness every
day, every hour. Complications don't lead us anywhere. Too complicated
is not the direction in the age of enlightenment. Nature is the most
efficient organizer. The technique of accomplishment is desire, coming
back to the self and becoming unbounded.

The last sentence is obviously a reference to the siddhis. Was that
the time? Could it have been around 76 / 77. Also the phrase 'simplest
form of awareness' was in use some time, maybe at the start of the
siddhis. I can definitely say that the above quote was copied by me,
as it was circulated on copysheets at this time.

I also found the quote with the 'smoke of a rotten bus':

We should be very natural and easy about life. We are not to be
anxious about activity or meditation. Everything is tested by how
quickly our desires get fulfilled - by our achievements. Never should
we be anxious. When the time comes even the chirping of a bird could
be the stimulus for enlightenment - even the smoke of a rotten bus.
Its the next stage of awakening. There is nothing spectacular about
it. Don't think about where we are. Don't think that New York is
horrible. One can get to the sap while remaining on the hard point of
the sap (thorn?). We can get anywhere. The atmosphere we don't mind.
It's a very wrong emphasis that the atmosphere is bad and therefore we
get drained. It's the karma of our practise. Once we don't make a fuss
about our environment, then nature will take care of us. It will put
us in the right environment. Be easy and natural

Seeing this quote in retrospect, and realizing that many people got
awakenings after leaving the movement or while doing so, phrases like:
'Don't think about where we are' and 'It will put us in the right
environment' take a completely new meaning. Thinking about this, I
remember having heard, that MMY had once said to Mrs. Eickhoff (german
who founded the first european TM residence), that many people would
come to the movement who would just pass through, and belonged to
another path. It is very clear to me, that he always saw things from a
broader perspective, quite to the contrary what is usually said or
thought in the movement.


 Shemp
 
 You're welcome. Be aware that it's a paraphrase. up until the three
 dots (...) it's pretty acurate, after that it sums up what he said in
 kinda sorta those words. Maybe Rick can add to it to make it more
 accurate.
 
 Curly
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote:
  
  
  [snip]
  
   Every day is life. We don't postpone the present based on the hopes
   of a more glorious future...It doesn't just happen all at once,
it's 
  a
   process...what makes you think that if you don't enjoy the process 
  you
   will enjoy being in Unity Consciousness...
  
  [snip]
  
  What a fabulous quote.
  
  Thanks for publishing it!
 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-12 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 3/11/06 7:37 PM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  These were two separate quotes (the one about the exhaust from a bus).
  
  The (other) quote was fairly close to the way I stated it below. Rick,
  please chime in with details. We were sitting in a room with Maharishi
  in Livingston Manor when he came for an unannounced visit, not very
  many, maybe 100+ give or take. He was really po'd about a lot of
  stuff. They had let many repairs go at LM because no one wanted to
  take responsibility for having wells dug/repaired, etc. I guess
  because of the money. Lots of little things like that this kept coming
  up. 
  
  Somebody-Rick claims him-so he will remember more accurately what
  precipitated Maharishi's respone. He launched into the fact that
  getting enlightnened was a process and as near as I can remember he said:
  
  Every day is life. We don't postpone the present based on the hopes
  of a more glorious future...It doesn't just happen all at once, it's a
  process...what makes you think that if you don't enjoy the process you
  will enjoy being in Unity Consciousness...
  
  He spoke some more. Rick can add his recollection.
Rick wrote: 
 I have 300+ unread posts in my FFL box, so I just happened to spot this one
 by chance. My recollection was that he said that at a Governors' conference
 in S. Fallsburg, and that I was at the podium at the time, trying to be a
 big shot and attract his attention. I was straining a lot in my life and
 quite out of balance, which may have evoked his comment.

I think I was there, although I don't remember you, Rick.  If it was the same 
conference, I 
DO remember MMY got furious at a young man who was on the staff doing tapes 
and/or 
printing for the TMO in S.Fallsburg.  I cannot remember what this person had 
done, but 
MMY yelled at him for a full 5 minutes.  I was so shook up, having never seen 
MMY treat 
someone this way. From my perspective it seemed undeserved, because the boy 
tried to 
explain what was really the situation, and MMY would not let him finish and 
continued to 
yell at him in front of all of us.  So the young man gave up trying to explain 
the situation 
and just stood there and took it.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-12 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/11/06 11:13 PM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 When was that conference, Rick? I know there was a
 two-week conference with about 120 governors in
 September 1977, at which time I was on block three of
 my citizen sidhis course. Was MMY calling from Europe
 at the time? I don't recall ever hearing of him being
 in South Fallsburg.

That was it. He was there in person.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-12 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Mar 11, 2006, at 10:55 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

 > Every day is life. We don't postpone the present based on the hopes
 > of a more glorious future...It doesn't just happen all at once, it's a
 > process...what makes you think that if you don't enjoy the process you
 > will enjoy being in Unity Consciousness...
 > 
 > He spoke some more. Rick can add his recollection.

 I have 300+ unread posts in my FFL box, so I just happened to spot this one
 by chance. My recollection was that he said that at a Governors' conference
 in S. Fallsburg, and that I was at the podium at the time, trying to be a
 big shot and attract his attention. I was straining a lot in my life and
 quite out of balance, which may have evoked his comment.

That's probably what wrecked the TMO, Rick. :)  From then on, it was all downhill.

Sal


[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Shemp
 
 You're welcome. Be aware that it's a paraphrase. up until the three
 dots (...) it's pretty acurate, after that it sums up what he said 
in
 kinda sorta those words. Maybe Rick can add to it to make it more
 accurate.
 
 Curly



Hey, the fact that it's a paraphrase doesn't take away from the 
wisdom of it!



 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote:
  
  
  [snip]
  
   Every day is life. We don't postpone the present based on the 
hopes
   of a more glorious future...It doesn't just happen all at 
once, it's 
  a
   process...what makes you think that if you don't enjoy the 
process 
  you
   will enjoy being in Unity Consciousness...
  
  [snip]
  
  What a fabulous quote.
  
  Thanks for publishing it!
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-11 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Don't you all get tired of this endless inquiry-sSelf or otherwise?
 Wasn't the initial instruction meditate and act without
 intellectualizing life?
 
 Wasn't it once Everyday is life, we don't pass up the present based
 on the hopes of a more glorious future...what makes you think you'll
 enjoy Unity Consciousness if you're not enjoying the process of
 getting there... MMY (paraphrase)

Maybe, to just remind you that this forum is not excluding non TM
practitionars. Self-inquiry is just a different path.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-11 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote:
 
  Don't you all get tired of this endless inquiry-sSelf or otherwise?
  Wasn't the initial instruction meditate and act without
  intellectualizing life?

  Wasn't it once Everyday is life, we don't pass up the present based
  on the hopes of a more glorious future...what makes you think you'll
  enjoy Unity Consciousness if you're not enjoying the process of
  getting there... MMY (paraphrase)
 
 Maybe, to just remind you that this forum is not excluding non TM
 practitionars. Self-inquiry is just a different path.

The initial instruction has long been superceded with so many newer
instructions from Galactic Command that you need to be OCD to stay on
the program these days.  That was my revelation of the week - how many
TBs I know in town are actually obsessive-compulsive.  They
demonstrate it in stereotypical ways like collecting things and
phobias, but I see now why they've gotten deeper into tmo while I've
been distancing - they actually eat up all the mov't rules about
living: which yagyas to do at which time of the year after having
eaten which dosha balancing food while wearing which color gem, after
doing which sutras in which order at which time while being careful to
avoid which other bad vib people or places while living in their gold
and beige rectangle facing east ... It feeds/placates obsessiveness.

Anyway, that's why many people in ffld got influenced by self-inquiry
stuff, which is actually so much less intellectual than what they were
used to and in most cases was a springboard to a more simple, inner
centered approach to spiritual life.

My obsession of the week -- I still don't get rus who pick and choose
MMY quotes from the 60s that they like, but ignore everything else
he's been saying in copius volumes for the past 20 yrs.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-11 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote:
  
   Don't you all get tired of this endless inquiry-sSelf or otherwise?
   Wasn't the initial instruction meditate and act without
   intellectualizing life?
 
   Wasn't it once Everyday is life, we don't pass up the present based
   on the hopes of a more glorious future...what makes you think you'll
   enjoy Unity Consciousness if you're not enjoying the process of
   getting there... MMY (paraphrase)
  
  Maybe, to just remind you that this forum is not excluding non TM
  practitionars. Self-inquiry is just a different path.
 
 The initial instruction has long been superceded with so many newer
 instructions from Galactic Command that you need to be OCD to stay on
 the program these days.  That was my revelation of the week - how many
 TBs I know in town are actually obsessive-compulsive.  They
 demonstrate it in stereotypical ways like collecting things and
 phobias, but I see now why they've gotten deeper into tmo while I've
 been distancing - they actually eat up all the mov't rules about
 living: which yagyas to do at which time of the year after having
 eaten which dosha balancing food while wearing which color gem, after
 doing which sutras in which order at which time while being careful to
 avoid which other bad vib people or places while living in their gold
 and beige rectangle facing east ... It feeds/placates obsessiveness.
 
 Anyway, that's why many people in ffld got influenced by self-inquiry
 stuff, which is actually so much less intellectual than what they were
 used to and in most cases was a springboard to a more simple, inner
 centered approach to spiritual life.
 
 My obsession of the week -- I still don't get rus who pick and choose
 MMY quotes from the 60s that they like, but ignore everything else
 he's been saying in copius volumes for the past 20 yrs.


Mark
At least in reference to the quote I paraphrased above, I don't kinow
if it's that everything else of the last 20+ years is being ignored as
opposed to considering how much more balanced that partucular advice
offered by MMY was, especially, as you point out, to all the confining
persnickety rules since. 
AnonyFF





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-11 Thread Jason Spock



   Someone called Gerbil accused Maharishi of taking our own teachings and giving it back to us.?? His teachings got better and better over time.??  Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:00:40 -0600Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Fatigue of the Non-Self I believe I may have inspired him to say this. I was very busy of passingover the present for a glorious future and was on the mike in S. Fallsburg making a fool of myself when Maharishi said this.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-11 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
 markmeredith@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote:
   
Don't you all get tired of this endless inquiry-sSelf or
otherwise?
Wasn't the initial instruction meditate and act without
intellectualizing life?
  
Wasn't it once Everyday is life, we don't pass up the present
based
on the hopes of a more glorious future...what makes you think
you'll
enjoy Unity Consciousness if you're not enjoying the process of
getting there... MMY (paraphrase)
   
   Maybe, to just remind you that this forum is not excluding non TM
   practitionars. Self-inquiry is just a different path.
  
  The initial instruction has long been superceded with so many newer
  instructions from Galactic Command that you need to be OCD to stay on
  the program these days.  That was my revelation of the week - how many
  TBs I know in town are actually obsessive-compulsive.  They
  demonstrate it in stereotypical ways like collecting things and
  phobias, but I see now why they've gotten deeper into tmo while I've
  been distancing - they actually eat up all the mov't rules about
  living: which yagyas to do at which time of the year after having
  eaten which dosha balancing food while wearing which color gem, after
  doing which sutras in which order at which time while being careful to
  avoid which other bad vib people or places while living in their gold
  and beige rectangle facing east ... It feeds/placates obsessiveness.
  
  Anyway, that's why many people in ffld got influenced by self-inquiry
  stuff, which is actually so much less intellectual than what they were
  used to and in most cases was a springboard to a more simple, inner
  centered approach to spiritual life.
  
  My obsession of the week -- I still don't get rus who pick and choose
  MMY quotes from the 60s that they like, but ignore everything else
  he's been saying in copius volumes for the past 20 yrs.
 
 
 Mark
 At least in reference to the quote I paraphrased above, I don't kinow
 if it's that everything else of the last 20+ years is being ignored as
 opposed to considering how much more balanced that partucular advice
 offered by MMY was, especially, as you point out, to all the confining
 persnickety rules since. 
 AnonyFF

Does anybody have the full text? Its also one of my favourate quotes
that I had written down in my small notebook from movement times. I'm
not sure if its the same one that says that when the time is ripe the
chirping of a bird, or the smoke of a rotten bus maybe the stimulus to
enlightenment. Btw. he said many nice things, even at the time when I
left the movement, which is not yet 20 years. Just these weren't the
things that got published. They were sort of stray remarks, but very
telling. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-11 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  Someone called Gerbil accused Maharishi of taking our own
teachings and giving it back to us.??  His teachings got better and
better over time.??

It's called the Pizza effect. I realized it, when I saw a modern
middle class Indian woman circumbulating the Mothers shrine at Ramana
Ashram, with a copy of 'Power of Now' under her arm, while the pundits
were conducting a Shri Chakra puja. 'The Power of Now' and Deepak
Chopra Books are prominently displayed in all bookstores I had seen in
India, as well as with all street vendors.

Lack of confidence in one's own culture, combined with the blind
acceptance of all things new and foreign, has resulted in what social
scientists term the pizza-effect. The pizza, originally the simple
unleavened bread of Italy, accompanied early emigrants to America,
where it became embellished with cheese, anchovies and pepperoni,
totally transformed from the original.

Year later, the pizza made its triumphant return to Italy, where the
new product was eagerly accepted and given pride of place in Italian
cuisine.

In similar fashion, traditional Lankan culture has become obscured and
misunderstood when it is analyzed and dissected using the prism of
modem thought. Nevertheless, this puzzling by-product of essentially
Western thinking is proudly reintroduced and naively accepted as
though it were the original genuine Lankan culture itself.

http://kataragama.org/news/eclipse.htm

Basically Indian teachings are getting westernized, and then
reimported to India, were an eager upcoming Middle Class is just
waiting for it.

[ As an aside about 'Power of Now', just for curiosities sake: Its
basically a copy of a Barry Long book, of whom 'Eckhart' (really
Ulrich) Tolle was a disciple, who was published in the 80's and quite
unsuccesful. Tolle basically rewrote it, its full of Barry Long
teachings. Also the title 'Power of Now' was the theme Tolle had got
by the group: He theme at the time was 'Power' AND 'Now'. I heard that
Tolle copies Long even up to the style of sweaters he wears. All in
all it reminds me of the stories of Chopra and SSRS ]






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-11 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ 
wrote:
 
   
   Someone called Gerbil accused Maharishi of taking our own
 teachings and giving it back to us.??  His teachings got better and
 better over time.??
 
 It's called the Pizza effect. I realized it, when I saw a modern
 middle class Indian woman circumbulating the Mothers shrine at 
Ramana
 Ashram, with a copy of 'Power of Now' under her arm, while the 
pundits
 were conducting a Shri Chakra puja. 'The Power of Now' and Deepak
 Chopra Books are prominently displayed in all bookstores I had seen 
in
 India, as well as with all street vendors.
 
 Lack of confidence in one's own culture, combined with the blind
 acceptance of all things new and foreign, has resulted in what 
social
 scientists term the pizza-effect. The pizza, originally the simple
 unleavened bread of Italy, accompanied early emigrants to America,
 where it became embellished with cheese, anchovies and pepperoni,
 totally transformed from the original.
 
 Year later, the pizza made its triumphant return to Italy, where the
 new product was eagerly accepted and given pride of place in Italian
 cuisine.
 
 In similar fashion, traditional Lankan culture has become obscured 
and
 misunderstood when it is analyzed and dissected using the prism of
 modem thought. Nevertheless, this puzzling by-product of essentially
 Western thinking is proudly reintroduced and naively accepted as
 though it were the original genuine Lankan culture itself.
 
 http://kataragama.org/news/eclipse.htm
 
 Basically Indian teachings are getting westernized, and then
 reimported to India, were an eager upcoming Middle Class is just
 waiting for it.
 
 [ As an aside about 'Power of Now', just for curiosities sake: Its
 basically a copy of a Barry Long book, of whom 'Eckhart' (really
 Ulrich) Tolle was a disciple, who was published in the 80's and 
quite
 unsuccesful. Tolle basically rewrote it, its full of Barry Long
 teachings. Also the title 'Power of Now' was the theme Tolle had got
 by the group: He theme at the time was 'Power' AND 'Now'. I heard 
that
 Tolle copies Long even up to the style of sweaters he wears. All in
 all it reminds me of the stories of Chopra and SSRS ]


MMY is very mainstream Hindu compared to some organizations. I sat in 
on a Nichiren meeting last night at the invitation of my Japanese 
teacher. Very superficial interpretation of things, IMHO, but nice 
people.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-11 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/11/06 7:37 PM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 These were two separate quotes (the one about the exhaust from a bus).
 
 The (other) quote was fairly close to the way I stated it below. Rick,
 please chime in with details. We were sitting in a room with Maharishi
 in Livingston Manor when he came for an unannounced visit, not very
 many, maybe 100+ give or take. He was really po'd about a lot of
 stuff. They had let many repairs go at LM because no one wanted to
 take responsibility for having wells dug/repaired, etc. I guess
 because of the money. Lots of little things like that this kept coming
 up. 
 
 Somebody-Rick claims him-so he will remember more accurately what
 precipitated Maharishi's respone. He launched into the fact that
 getting enlightnened was a process and as near as I can remember he said:
 
 Every day is life. We don't postpone the present based on the hopes
 of a more glorious future...It doesn't just happen all at once, it's a
 process...what makes you think that if you don't enjoy the process you
 will enjoy being in Unity Consciousness...
 
 He spoke some more. Rick can add his recollection.

I have 300+ unread posts in my FFL box, so I just happened to spot this one
by chance. My recollection was that he said that at a Governors' conference
in S. Fallsburg, and that I was at the podium at the time, trying to be a
big shot and attract his attention. I was straining a lot in my life and
quite out of balance, which may have evoked his comment.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-11 Thread gullible fool

When was that conference, Rick? I know there was a
two-week conference with about 120 governors in
September 1977, at which time I was on block three of
my citizen sidhis course. Was MMY calling from Europe
at the time? I don't recall ever hearing of him being
in South Fallsburg.  

--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 3/11/06 7:37 PM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  These were two separate quotes (the one about the
 exhaust from a bus).
  
  The (other) quote was fairly close to the way I
 stated it below. Rick,
  please chime in with details. We were sitting in a
 room with Maharishi
  in Livingston Manor when he came for an
 unannounced visit, not very
  many, maybe 100+ give or take. He was really po'd
 about a lot of
  stuff. They had let many repairs go at LM because
 no one wanted to
  take responsibility for having wells dug/repaired,
 etc. I guess
  because of the money. Lots of little things like
 that this kept coming
  up. 
  
  Somebody-Rick claims him-so he will remember more
 accurately what
  precipitated Maharishi's respone. He launched into
 the fact that
  getting enlightnened was a process and as near as
 I can remember he said:
  
  Every day is life. We don't postpone the present
 based on the hopes
  of a more glorious future...It doesn't just happen
 all at once, it's a
  process...what makes you think that if you don't
 enjoy the process you
  will enjoy being in Unity Consciousness...
  
  He spoke some more. Rick can add his recollection.
 
 I have 300+ unread posts in my FFL box, so I just
 happened to spot this one
 by chance. My recollection was that he said that at
 a Governors' conference
 in S. Fallsburg, and that I was at the podium at the
 time, trying to be a
 big shot and attract his attention. I was straining
 a lot in my life and
 quite out of balance, which may have evoked his
 comment.
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-11 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


[snip]

 Every day is life. We don't postpone the present based on the hopes
 of a more glorious future...It doesn't just happen all at once, it's 
a
 process...what makes you think that if you don't enjoy the process 
you
 will enjoy being in Unity Consciousness...

[snip]

What a fabulous quote.

Thanks for publishing it!





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