[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[merudanda]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > -who wants to fly away
>
> Oh, start it earlier:oh father in heaven forgive  how i could miss
that part

>
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=1\
3m00s
>
> Otherwise it kills the funniest line in the film (by me,
> anyway).
>
> snip
> >
> > Hey Jude I knew you do not " luv me"
> >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=5\
> > 095s
>
> I can't do anything right!-did you hear the gun shot--
  [:D]
>
>
> >
 > 5095s>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Oh God, hilarious...but is Burt pulling on his chest hair at
> > > > one point?!
> > >
> > > He sure is. That is such a beautifully acted, written
> > > (by Jerry Belson), and directed (by Reynolds himself)
> > > scene. The film ("The End") drags a bit in spots, but
> > > it has some brilliant scenes (including one with Robby
> > > Benson as a neophyte priest hearing Reynolds's confession).
> > >
> snip

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[merudanda]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > -who wants to fly away
>
> Oh, start it earlier:oh father in heaven forgive  how i could miss
that part
and thank  you Judith-ji for the advanced technique initiation(or may i
use it as a night technique)wisper wisper
"i'vseenitin-inthemovie"
(you as a trained checker may  be respectful reminded  to make a
checking on me on regular basis from now on, please)
>
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=1\
3m00s
>
> Otherwise it kills the funniest line in the film (by me,
> anyway).you see i take it quite serious wisdom-wise
>
> snip
> >
> > Hey Jude I knew you do not " luv me"
> >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=5\
> > 095s
>
> I can't do anything right!-did you hear the gun shot--
it's now on your guilt ridden conscience   [:D] that merudanda may  only
post as a ghostwriter
wait a minute
it's that above mention night technique only to be done at midnight??
> humbly ask for spiritual advice and first checking
yours truly
>
>
> >
 > 5095s>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Oh God, hilarious...but is Burt pulling on his chest hair at
> > > > one point?!
> > >
> > > He sure is. That is such a beautifully acted, written
> > > (by Jerry Belson), and directed (by Reynolds himself)
> > > scene. The film ("The End") drags a bit in spots, but
> > > it has some brilliant scenes (including one with Robby
> > > Benson as a neophyte priest hearing Reynolds's confession).
> > >
> snip

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Vaj]

On Aug 3, 2012, at 10:06 AM, awoelflebater wrote:

Again I have to disagree. If someone's wrong or incorrect in a  
perception whose fault is that? And who is to say they were wrong?  
Robin believed himself to have been enlightened and so did many  
others including me. Are you saying that you think Robin knew he  
wasn't enlightened the whole time and was pretending for ten years?

>
> >
> >
> > into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome
> > programs); I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to
> > them while they were still doing it, and afterwards.
> >
> > So what are they doing now? How are they? Did they survive? Are
> > they still curled up in the fetal position, inconsolable?
>
> I cannot say, but I would doubt that.

Me too.


Let's please keep in mind though, that for some people this type of  
trauma can last many years or even a lifetime. A recent example, in  
the context of the TMO provides an example:


http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2012/07/recovering-from-transcendental.html



>
> So you're going with an enablers tack: they survived and they're OK,
> so everything's OK, Robin's OK, I'm OK?

I'm OK, Robin appears OK but I'm thinking you have a ways to go.


Thanks, but I'm fine.



>
> >
> >
> > How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some
> > couples "evolution"?
> >
> > Not the same as undertaking the procedure. As I said, everyone  
is a

> > free agent. Choice, Vaj, choice. No guns to anyone's head.
>
> But you ignore the key component here: enlightened advice = the
> advice to have, if you're on a liberation path. Of course the  
problem

> is, 'what happens when da guru ain't enlightened?' ;-)

And what happens when da guru is? How would it differ? Impossible  
to say. You imply that all enlightened advice results in bouncing  
babies and happy people. Life isn't like that Vaj, right?


Well hopefully it doesn't end in expulsion from college or whatever...

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:26 AM, awoelflebater wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite  
> > different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My,  
> > oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of  
> > decorum or decency.
> > > >
> > > > I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting"  
> > anyone. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with  
> > people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's  
> > really the purpose of this forum, is it not?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If we're honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around  
> > us, we hopefully tack close to what's actually happening, even in  
> > the most relative terms, in our life.
> > >
> > > So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who  
> > caused friends to be expelled from college
> >
> > Only MIU could expel people.
> 
> I think the key word you're missing is "caused". RWC did not expel  
> these students, he was the cause of their expulsion.

No he didn't. MIU expelled them. The students made their own decision to do 
whatever they did in relation to Robin and MIU. What caused the expulsion was a 
combination of MIU's policy and the student's decisions to do what they did to 
defy that policy. Robin was just incidental.
> 
> > > some just before graduation, all that I talked to went on an  
> > inviolable faith that the person they put trust in was legit and  
> > worth risking their young careers, their young lives.
> >
> > The word "young" makes my eyes water. And oh, what fun they had.  
> > I'll bet a degree from MIU was worth the risk.
> 
> Again, you seem to miss the point - yet another disconnect - they did  
> not get degrees from MIU, they were expelled.

No Vaj, I was being ironic here implying a degree from MIU is not worth that 
much, not worth as much as the "fun" and adventure they had.
> 
> > >How do you react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of  
> > maintaining the meditative purity of domes, while you know and have  
> > talked to the students that were tricked
> >
> > How tricked? Everyone is a free agent. These were intelligent,  
> > sensitive, strong men. They were adventurers. Nothing in this life  
> > is without "risk".
> 
> The key trick was "look at me, I'm an enlightened man" and based on  
> that faulty information (from my POV) they preceded. I guess really  
> the issue here is that they were part of an organisation that placed  
> great emphasis on alleged "higher" states of consciousness and here  
> was RWC presenting himself as the fulfillment of that ideal, in the  
> flesh. In such a case, the onus falls on the integrity, honesty and  
> maturity of the guru, as he's taking responsibility for his students.

Again I have to disagree. If someone's wrong or incorrect in a perception whose 
fault is that? And who is to say they were wrong? Robin believed himself to 
have been enlightened and so did many others including me. Are you saying that 
you think Robin knew he wasn't enlightened the whole time and was pretending 
for ten years? 
> 
> >
> >
> > into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome  
> > programs); I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to  
> > them while they were still doing it, and afterwards.
> >
> > So what are they doing now? How are they? Did they survive? Are  
> > they still curled up in the fetal position, inconsolable?
> 
> I cannot say, but I would doubt that.

Me too. 
> 
> So you're going with an enablers tack: they survived and they're OK,  
> so everything's OK, Robin's OK, I'm OK?

I'm OK, Robin appears OK but I'm thinking you have a ways to go.
> 
> >
> >
> > How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some  
> > couples "evolution"?
> >
> > Not the same as undertaking the procedure. As I said, everyone is a  
> > free agent. Choice, Vaj, choice. No guns to anyone's head.
> 
> But you ignore the key component here: enlightened advice = the  
> advice to have, if you're on a liberation path. Of course the problem  
> is, 'what happens when da guru ain't enlightened?' ;-)

And what happens when da guru is? How would it differ? Impossible to say. You 
imply that all enlightened advice results in bouncing babies and happy people. 
Life isn't like that Vaj, right?
> 
> Now while it didn't go as badly as say Rev. Jones or Rajneeshpuram,  
> I'd hope you can see that a similar seed exists in these very  
> different circumstances. So my hope would be that we become wiser -  
> and hopefully more compassionate in action - from seeing these  
> spiritual pathologies acted out. Then we need not be enablers or  
> victims any longer, just wiser to the ways of the world.
> 
> >
> > >
> > > And then there is the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Vaj]

On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:26 AM, awoelflebater wrote:




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
>
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> > So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite  
different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My,  
oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of  
decorum or decency.

> >
> > I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting"  
anyone. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with  
people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's  
really the purpose of this forum, is it not?

> >
>
>
> If we're honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around  
us, we hopefully tack close to what's actually happening, even in  
the most relative terms, in our life.

>
> So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who  
caused friends to be expelled from college


Only MIU could expel people.


I think the key word you're missing is "caused". RWC did not expel  
these students, he was the cause of their expulsion.


> some just before graduation, all that I talked to went on an  
inviolable faith that the person they put trust in was legit and  
worth risking their young careers, their young lives.


The word "young" makes my eyes water. And oh, what fun they had.  
I'll bet a degree from MIU was worth the risk.


Again, you seem to miss the point - yet another disconnect - they did  
not get degrees from MIU, they were expelled.


>How do you react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of  
maintaining the meditative purity of domes, while you know and have  
talked to the students that were tricked


How tricked? Everyone is a free agent. These were intelligent,  
sensitive, strong men. They were adventurers. Nothing in this life  
is without "risk".


The key trick was "look at me, I'm an enlightened man" and based on  
that faulty information (from my POV) they preceded. I guess really  
the issue here is that they were part of an organisation that placed  
great emphasis on alleged "higher" states of consciousness and here  
was RWC presenting himself as the fulfillment of that ideal, in the  
flesh. In such a case, the onus falls on the integrity, honesty and  
maturity of the guru, as he's taking responsibility for his students.





into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome  
programs); I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to  
them while they were still doing it, and afterwards.


So what are they doing now? How are they? Did they survive? Are  
they still curled up in the fetal position, inconsolable?


I cannot say, but I would doubt that.

So you're going with an enablers tack: they survived and they're OK,  
so everything's OK, Robin's OK, I'm OK?





How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some  
couples "evolution"?


Not the same as undertaking the procedure. As I said, everyone is a  
free agent. Choice, Vaj, choice. No guns to anyone's head.


But you ignore the key component here: enlightened advice = the  
advice to have, if you're on a liberation path. Of course the problem  
is, 'what happens when da guru ain't enlightened?' ;-)


Now while it didn't go as badly as say Rev. Jones or Rajneeshpuram,  
I'd hope you can see that a similar seed exists in these very  
different circumstances. So my hope would be that we become wiser -  
and hopefully more compassionate in action - from seeing these  
spiritual pathologies acted out. Then we need not be enablers or  
victims any longer, just wiser to the ways of the world.




>
> And then there is the demonic confrontations...

That " ..." implies so much here. Left to the reader's imagination.


Only if they don't ask or make inquiry.

Hopefully we would ask ourselves what benefit there was from it? Was  
it real? Did it represent a pathology of some sort in the guru or  
some form of direct seeing (of ultimate reality)?


If it wasn't real, what does that mean if we encounter similar  
situations later in life? Are we wiser in response to what we  
learned, or do we ignore what we've seen and not act in ways that are  
helpful?


Each person will respond very differently. For example one might  
expect someone who was found to be demonic would react strongly,  
someone who never was, less so.



>
> Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into  
that same person again, weaving the same old patterns (to your  
perception) once again. What do you do then Feste?


We know what you do Vaj.


I doubt that, because most of the meaty discussion of RWC and WTS  
have not taken place on FFL. They've taken place offlist between old  
movement insiders, therapists and people who were there.




>
> If you don't get that you're his target audience Feste, then  
maybe it's because the crosshairs are placed so finely on you,  
you've missed their very presence.


OK, if I had said that I would immediately be branded a DQ

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> Oh, awoeflebater, you are too kind . . . (When in real life
> a woman says something like that to me, I think, omg, what
> happens when SHE FINDS OUT?)

LOL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_syndrome


 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> >
> > Feisty, you've done it again. I'm liking you more and more. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Seems a bit nutty to me, Vaj, quite honestly. It's like you've invented a 
> > > demon that no one else can see. I don't know what you mean by "weaving 
> > > the same old patterns." What patterns might those be? As for selecting a 
> > > target audience, that's what all writers (and posters here) surely do. We 
> > > all want an audience, we all want to be read. Otherwise, why bother? You 
> > > have a target audience here on FFL, too, and I don't see anything wrong 
> > > with that. But as far as your attitude to Robin is concerned, I would 
> > > have hoped that the passage of time would have softened your views. It's 
> > > nearly 30 years ago now! I can't see that Robin has done anything on FFL 
> > > that would justify the level of venom you display toward him. He's 
> > > contributed a lot to this forum. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[feste37]

Oh, awoeflebater, you are too kind . . . (When in real life a woman says 
something like that to me, I think, omg, what happens when SHE FINDS OUT?)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
>
> Feisty, you've done it again. I'm liking you more and more. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > Seems a bit nutty to me, Vaj, quite honestly. It's like you've invented a 
> > demon that no one else can see. I don't know what you mean by "weaving the 
> > same old patterns." What patterns might those be? As for selecting a target 
> > audience, that's what all writers (and posters here) surely do. We all want 
> > an audience, we all want to be read. Otherwise, why bother? You have a 
> > target audience here on FFL, too, and I don't see anything wrong with that. 
> > But as far as your attitude to Robin is concerned, I would have hoped that 
> > the passage of time would have softened your views. It's nearly 30 years 
> > ago now! I can't see that Robin has done anything on FFL that would justify 
> > the level of venom you display toward him. He's contributed a lot to this 
> > forum. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different 
> > > > accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some 
> > > > people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. 
> > > > 
> > > > I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting" anyone. He is 
> > > > working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing 
> > > > to debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this 
> > > > forum, is it not? 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > If we're honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around us, we 
> > > hopefully tack close to what's actually happening, even in the most 
> > > relative terms, in our life.
> > > 
> > > So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who caused 
> > > friends to be expelled from college, some just before graduation, all 
> > > that I talked to went on an inviolable faith that the person they put 
> > > trust in was legit and worth risking their young careers, their young 
> > > lives. How do you react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of 
> > > maintaining the meditative purity of domes, while you know and have 
> > > talked to the students that were tricked into violating that sacred space 
> > > (for those involved in the dome programs); I've heard their hopes and 
> > > their fears, as I spoke to them while they were still doing it, and 
> > > afterwards. How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for 
> > > some couples "evolution"? 
> > > 
> > > And then there is the demonic confrontations...
> > > 
> > > Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into that same 
> > > person again, weaving the same old patterns (to your perception) once 
> > > again. What do you do then Feste?
> > > 
> > > If you don't get that you're his target audience Feste, then maybe it's 
> > > because the crosshairs are placed so finely on you, you've missed their 
> > > very presence.
> > > 
> > > > I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I would think you two (and many here) share some similar or even same 
> > > sentimental moments. R's sentimentality should appeal to many TM folk.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
>
> Feisty, you've done it again. I'm liking you more and more. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > Seems a bit nutty to me, Vaj, quite honestly. It's like you've invented a 
> > demon that no one else can see. I don't know what you mean by "weaving the 
> > same old patterns." What patterns might those be? As for selecting a target 
> > audience, that's what all writers (and posters here) surely do. We all want 
> > an audience, we all want to be read. Otherwise, why bother? You have a 
> > target audience here on FFL, too, and I don't see anything wrong with that. 
> > But as far as your attitude to Robin is concerned, I would have hoped that 
> > the passage of time would have softened your views. It's nearly 30 years 
> > ago now! I can't see that Robin has done anything on FFL that would justify 
> > the level of venom you display toward him. He's contributed a lot to this 
> > forum. 


Same with the Turq-fellow, still obsessing with history 30-40 years back in 
time. What is it with the practise of these Buddhists that prevent them from 
moving on, where's the dynamism ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[awoelflebater]

Feisty, you've done it again. I'm liking you more and more. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Seems a bit nutty to me, Vaj, quite honestly. It's like you've invented a 
> demon that no one else can see. I don't know what you mean by "weaving the 
> same old patterns." What patterns might those be? As for selecting a target 
> audience, that's what all writers (and posters here) surely do. We all want 
> an audience, we all want to be read. Otherwise, why bother? You have a target 
> audience here on FFL, too, and I don't see anything wrong with that. But as 
> far as your attitude to Robin is concerned, I would have hoped that the 
> passage of time would have softened your views. It's nearly 30 years ago now! 
> I can't see that Robin has done anything on FFL that would justify the level 
> of venom you display toward him. He's contributed a lot to this forum. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, "feste37"  wrote:
> > 
> > > So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different 
> > > accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some 
> > > people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. 
> > > 
> > > I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting" anyone. He is 
> > > working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to 
> > > debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, 
> > > is it not? 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > If we're honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around us, we 
> > hopefully tack close to what's actually happening, even in the most 
> > relative terms, in our life.
> > 
> > So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who caused 
> > friends to be expelled from college, some just before graduation, all that 
> > I talked to went on an inviolable faith that the person they put trust in 
> > was legit and worth risking their young careers, their young lives. How do 
> > you react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of maintaining the 
> > meditative purity of domes, while you know and have talked to the students 
> > that were tricked into violating that sacred space (for those involved in 
> > the dome programs); I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to 
> > them while they were still doing it, and afterwards. How do you handle this 
> > same person recommending abortion for some couples "evolution"? 
> > 
> > And then there is the demonic confrontations...
> > 
> > Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into that same 
> > person again, weaving the same old patterns (to your perception) once 
> > again. What do you do then Feste?
> > 
> > If you don't get that you're his target audience Feste, then maybe it's 
> > because the crosshairs are placed so finely on you, you've missed their 
> > very presence.
> > 
> > > I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. 
> > 
> > 
> > I would think you two (and many here) share some similar or even same 
> > sentimental moments. R's sentimentality should appeal to many TM folk.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, "feste37"  wrote:
> 
> > So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different 
> > accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some 
> > people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. 
> > 
> > I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting" anyone. He is 
> > working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to 
> > debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is 
> > it not? 
> > 
> 
> 
> If we're honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around us, we 
> hopefully tack close to what's actually happening, even in the most relative 
> terms, in our life.
> 
> So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who caused 
> friends to be expelled from college

Only MIU could expel people. 

> some just before graduation, all that I talked to went on an inviolable faith 
> that the person they put trust in was legit and worth risking their young 
> careers, their young lives.

The word "young" makes my eyes water. And oh, what fun they had. I'll bet a 
degree from MIU was worth the risk.

>How do you react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of maintaining 
>the meditative purity of domes, while you know and have talked to the students 
>that were tricked

How tricked? Everyone is a free agent. These were intelligent, sensitive, 
strong men. They were adventurers. Nothing in this life is without "risk". 

 into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome programs); 
I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to them while they were 
still doing it, and afterwards.

So what are they doing now? How are they? Did they survive? Are they still 
curled up in the fetal position, inconsolable?

 How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some couples 
"evolution"? 

Not the same as undertaking the procedure. As I said, everyone is a free agent. 
Choice, Vaj, choice. No guns to anyone's head.
> 
> And then there is the demonic confrontations...

That " ..."  implies so much here. Left to the reader's imagination.
> 
> Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into that same 
> person again, weaving the same old patterns (to your perception) once again. 
> What do you do then Feste?

We know what you do Vaj.
> 
> If you don't get that you're his target audience Feste, then maybe it's 
> because the crosshairs are placed so finely on you, you've missed their very 
> presence.

OK, if I had said that I would immediately be branded a DQ, or as Tea said, a 
melodramatic Queen.
> 
> > I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. 
> 
> 
> I would think you two (and many here) share some similar or even same 
> sentimental moments. R's sentimentality should appeal to many TM folk.

I think you are the one who is sentimental, reminiscing on so many old times. 
In fact, I would go so far as to say obsessing.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> >
> >  "You would think, given that Robin has so radically
> > rejected TM, that they'd want to make common cause with him."
> > 
> > You are correct, it's not Maharishi that he's rejected,
> > it's TM.
> 
> No, Emily, it's very definitely both.

Perhaps this will clarify. You quoted Robin:


> > > "I still experience that there is almost as much Maharishi 
> > > inside of me as there is me. I don't like it; but that is
> > > the consequence of the awesome change he wrought in me. I 
> > > believe I would be one-half the person I am now able to be
> > > if it were not for meeting Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and coming 
> > > under the tremendous metaphysical integrity of his
> > > personality and his consciousness."

He wrote this paragraph in a post to Share. But he went on
to say:

"I don't believe anyone can ever become objective about
Maharishi, and find the truthful perspective on him without
holding within themselves that highest experience of
appreciation for him (they once had), while at the same
time, realizing that Maharishi did not even begin to
deliver on his promise to us, that in some fatal way he was
flawed as a person, most especially as a being holding
inside himself the truth about Creation."

There's the rejection.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[feste37]

Seems a bit nutty to me, Vaj, quite honestly. It's like you've invented a demon 
that no one else can see. I don't know what you mean by "weaving the same old 
patterns." What patterns might those be? As for selecting a target audience, 
that's what all writers (and posters here) surely do. We all want an audience, 
we all want to be read. Otherwise, why bother? You have a target audience here 
on FFL, too, and I don't see anything wrong with that. But as far as your 
attitude to Robin is concerned, I would have hoped that the passage of time 
would have softened your views. It's nearly 30 years ago now! I can't see that 
Robin has done anything on FFL that would justify the level of venom you 
display toward him. He's contributed a lot to this forum. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, "feste37"  wrote:
> 
> > So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different 
> > accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some 
> > people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. 
> > 
> > I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting" anyone. He is 
> > working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to 
> > debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is 
> > it not? 
> > 
> 
> 
> If we're honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around us, we 
> hopefully tack close to what's actually happening, even in the most relative 
> terms, in our life.
> 
> So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who caused 
> friends to be expelled from college, some just before graduation, all that I 
> talked to went on an inviolable faith that the person they put trust in was 
> legit and worth risking their young careers, their young lives. How do you 
> react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of maintaining the 
> meditative purity of domes, while you know and have talked to the students 
> that were tricked into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the 
> dome programs); I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to them 
> while they were still doing it, and afterwards. How do you handle this same 
> person recommending abortion for some couples "evolution"? 
> 
> And then there is the demonic confrontations...
> 
> Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into that same 
> person again, weaving the same old patterns (to your perception) once again. 
> What do you do then Feste?
> 
> If you don't get that you're his target audience Feste, then maybe it's 
> because the crosshairs are placed so finely on you, you've missed their very 
> presence.
> 
> > I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. 
> 
> 
> I would think you two (and many here) share some similar or even same 
> sentimental moments. R's sentimentality should appeal to many TM folk.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
>  "You would think, given that Robin has so radically
> rejected TM, that they'd want to make common cause with him."
> 
> You are correct, it's not Maharishi that he's rejected,
> it's TM.

No, Emily, it's very definitely both.

> The second quote is a testament from Robin that he is
> committed to seeing where the conversation evolves to.

Right. And...?



 
>  From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 3:52 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
>  
> 
>   
> Not sure what your point here is, Emily. Rather than have me
> guess, could you give me a clue?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> >
> >  You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejectedTM, 
> > that they'd want to make common cause with him.
> > 
> > Robin quotes:  
> > 
> > 
> > "I still experience that there is almost as much Maharishi inside of me as 
> > there is me. I don't like it; but that is the consequence of the awesome 
> > change he wrought in me. I believe I would be one-half the person I am now 
> > able to be if it were not for meeting Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and coming 
> > under the tremendous metaphysical integrity of his personality and his 
> > consciousness."
> > 
> > "Secondly, I am not a doctrinaireâ€"at least in the sense that I would 
> > ever allow what I believed in to spare me the existential tension, 
> > dissonance, ordeal of perhaps realizing, in contemplating I could be wrong 
> > in those beliefs ("wrong" here means: they do not correspond with reality), 
> > that someone elseâ€"even empty billâ€"is right."
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: authfriend 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 1:23 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite 
> > > different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours!
> > 
> > As I understand it, he was barred legally from entering
> > Jefferson County--I assume that's still in effect, not
> > sure--but it had nothing to do with criminality; it was
> > part of the outcome of MIU's lawsuit against him back in
> > 1983.
> > 
> > > My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no
> > > bounds of decorum or decency.
> > 
> > And Vaj isn't willing to say why he hates Robin so much. 
> > 
> > > I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting"
> > > anyone.
> > 
> > Of course he isn't. Targeting them for what? Why?
> > 
> > Vaj knows that's nonsense, but he's hoping others don't.
> > He wants to make folks leery of talking to Robin.
> > 
> > > He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people
> > > who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's
> > > really the purpose of this forum, is it not?
> > 
> > Exactly.
> > 
> > > I like Robin. I think he is a good guy.
> > 
> > Why he makes a few people here freak out is a mystery to me.
> > But interestingly, it's the same few people who are in the
> > habit of making this forum unpleasant for the TMers here.
> > You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejected
> > TM, that they'd want to make common cause with him.
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism 
> > > > > and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old 
> > > > > audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in 
> > > > > listeningvia email.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson 
> > > > > County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to 
> > > > > Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has
> > > > > to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists
> > > > > to gain that lost adulation!
> > > > 
> > > > This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious
> > > > bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm.
> > > > 
> > > > Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming
> > > > people.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, "feste37"  wrote:
> 
> > So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different 
> > accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some 
> > people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. 
> > 
> > I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting" anyone. He is 
> > working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to 
> > debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is 
> > it not? 
> 
> If we're honest with ourselves, and honest with the people
> around us, we hopefully tack close to what's actually
> happening, even in the most relative terms, in our life.

However, that is not what Vaj is doing. He is not being
honest either with himself or the readers of FFL.

> So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone
> who caused friends to be expelled from college, some just
> before graduation, all that I talked to went on an inviolable
> faith that the person they put trust in was legit and worth
> risking their young careers, their young lives. How do you
> react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of
> maintaining the meditative purity of domes, while you know
> and have talked to the students that were tricked into
> violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome 
> programs);

It is astonishing how completely Vaj has missed (or pretended
to miss) the point Robin was making about maintaining the 
purity of the domes. Not surprisingly, iranitea appears to
have missed it too.

This reminds me of nothing so much as the Romney campaign's
attempts to take things Obama has said completely out of
context in its commercials with the intention of deceiving
the electorate about what Obama stands for. They knew
precisely what they were doing.


 I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to them while they were 
still doing it, and afterwards. How do you handle this same person recommending 
abortion for some couples "evolution"? 
> 
> And then there is the demonic confrontations...
> 
> Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into
> that same person again, weaving the same old patterns (to your 
> perception) once again. What do you do then Feste?

That is not Vaj's perception. Vaj knows better. Vaj is
attempting to impose perceptions he knows will be
detrimental to Robin on the rest of us--perceptions Vaj
knows are false.

> If you don't get that you're his target audience Feste, then
> maybe it's because the crosshairs are placed so finely on you, 
> you've missed their very presence.

Utter bullshit. I think feste is very much aware of the
crosshairs Vaj has placed on him. They're remarkably crude,
and entirely malicious.


> 
> > I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. 
> 
> 
> I would think you two (and many here) share some similar or even same 
> sentimental moments. R's sentimentality should appeal to many TM folk.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Vaj]

On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, "feste37"  wrote:

> So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different 
> accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some people's 
> hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. 
> 
> I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting" anyone. He is 
> working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to 
> debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is 
> it not? 
> 


If we’re honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around us, we 
hopefully tack close to what’s actually happening, even in the most relative 
terms, in our life.

So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who caused friends 
to be expelled from college, some just before graduation, all that I talked to 
went on an inviolable faith that the person they put trust in was legit and 
worth risking their young careers, their young lives. How do you react when you 
hear someone extolling the virtues of maintaining the meditative purity of 
domes, while you know and have talked to the students that were tricked into 
violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome programs); I’ve 
heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to them while they were still 
doing it, and afterwards. How do you handle this same person recommending 
abortion for some couples “evolution”? 

And then there is the demonic confrontations...

Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into that same person 
again, weaving the same old patterns (to your perception) once again. What do 
you do then Feste?

If you don’t get that you’re his target audience Feste, then maybe it’s because 
the crosshairs are placed so finely on you, you’ve missed their very presence.

> I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. 


I would think you two (and many here) share some similar or even same 
sentimental moments. R’s sentimentality should appeal to many TM folk. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Emily Reyn]

 "You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejected> TM, that 
they'd want to make common cause with him."

You are correct, it's not Maharishi that he's rejected, it's TM.  

The second quote is a testament from Robin that he is committed to seeing where 
the conversation evolves to.  




 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 3:52 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
 

  
Not sure what your point here is, Emily. Rather than have me
guess, could you give me a clue?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
>  You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejectedTM, that 
> they'd want to make common cause with him.
> 
> Robin quotes:  
> 
> 
> "I still experience that there is almost as much Maharishi inside of me as 
> there is me. I don't like it; but that is the consequence of the awesome 
> change he wrought in me. I believe I would be one-half the person I am now 
> able to be if it were not for meeting Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and coming under 
> the tremendous metaphysical integrity of his personality and his 
> consciousness."
> 
> "Secondly, I am not a doctrinaireâ€"at least in the sense that I would ever 
> allow what I believed in to spare me the existential tension, dissonance, 
> ordeal of perhaps realizing, in contemplating I could be wrong in those 
> beliefs ("wrong" here means: they do not correspond with reality), that 
> someone elseâ€"even empty billâ€"is right."
> 
> 
> ____________________
>  From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 1:23 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > 
> > So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite 
> > different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours!
> 
> As I understand it, he was barred legally from entering
> Jefferson County--I assume that's still in effect, not
> sure--but it had nothing to do with criminality; it was
> part of the outcome of MIU's lawsuit against him back in
> 1983.
> 
> > My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no
> > bounds of decorum or decency.
> 
> And Vaj isn't willing to say why he hates Robin so much. 
> 
> > I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting"
> > anyone.
> 
> Of course he isn't. Targeting them for what? Why?
> 
> Vaj knows that's nonsense, but he's hoping others don't.
> He wants to make folks leery of talking to Robin.
> 
> > He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people
> > who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's
> > really the purpose of this forum, is it not?
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> > I like Robin. I think he is a good guy.
> 
> Why he makes a few people here freak out is a mystery to me.
> But interestingly, it's the same few people who are in the
> habit of making this forum unpleasant for the TMers here.
> You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejected
> TM, that they'd want to make common cause with him.
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism 
> > > > and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old 
> > > > audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in 
> > > > listeningvia email.
> > > > 
> > > > Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson 
> > > > County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to 
> > > > Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has
> > > > to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists
> > > > to gain that lost adulation!
> > > 
> > > This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious
> > > bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm.
> > > 
> > > Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming
> > > people.
> > >
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[authfriend]

Not sure what your point here is, Emily. Rather than have me
guess, could you give me a clue?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
>  You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejectedTM, that 
> they'd want to make common cause with him.
> 
> Robin quotes:  
> 
> 
> "I still experience that there is almost as much Maharishi inside of me as 
> there is me. I don't like it; but that is the consequence of the awesome 
> change he wrought in me. I believe I would be one-half the person I am now 
> able to be if it were not for meeting Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and coming under 
> the tremendous metaphysical integrity of his personality and his 
> consciousness."
> 
> "Secondly, I am not a doctrinaireâ€"at least in the sense that I would ever 
> allow what I believed in to spare me the existential tension, dissonance, 
> ordeal of perhaps realizing, in contemplating I could be wrong in those 
> beliefs ("wrong" here means: they do not correspond with reality), that 
> someone elseâ€"even empty billâ€"is right."
> 
> 
> ____
>  From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 1:23 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
>  
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > 
> > So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite 
> > different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours!
> 
> As I understand it, he was barred legally from entering
> Jefferson County--I assume that's still in effect, not
> sure--but it had nothing to do with criminality; it was
> part of the outcome of MIU's lawsuit against him back in
> 1983.
> 
> > My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no
> > bounds of decorum or decency.
> 
> And Vaj isn't willing to say why he hates Robin so much. 
> 
> > I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting"
> > anyone.
> 
> Of course he isn't. Targeting them for what? Why?
> 
> Vaj knows that's nonsense, but he's hoping others don't.
> He wants to make folks leery of talking to Robin.
> 
> > He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people
> > who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's
> > really the purpose of this forum, is it not?
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> > I like Robin. I think he is a good guy.
> 
> Why he makes a few people here freak out is a mystery to me.
> But interestingly, it's the same few people who are in the
> habit of making this forum unpleasant for the TMers here.
> You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejected
> TM, that they'd want to make common cause with him.
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism 
> > > > and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old 
> > > > audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in 
> > > > listeningvia email.
> > > > 
> > > > Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson 
> > > > County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to 
> > > > Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has
> > > > to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists
> > > > to gain that lost adulation!
> > > 
> > > This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious
> > > bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm.
> > > 
> > > Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming
> > > people.
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Emily Reyn]

 You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejectedTM, that 
they'd want to make common cause with him.

Robin quotes:  


"I still experience that there is almost as much Maharishi inside of me as 
there is me. I don't like it; but that is the consequence of the awesome change 
he wrought in me. I believe I would be one-half the person I am now able to be 
if it were not for meeting Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and coming under the 
tremendous metaphysical integrity of his personality and his consciousness."

"Secondly, I am not a doctrinaire—at least in the sense that I would ever allow 
what I believed in to spare me the existential tension, dissonance, ordeal of 
perhaps realizing, in contemplating I could be wrong in those beliefs ("wrong" 
here means: they do not correspond with reality), that someone else—even empty 
bill—is right."



 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> 
> So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite 
> different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours!

As I understand it, he was barred legally from entering
Jefferson County--I assume that's still in effect, not
sure--but it had nothing to do with criminality; it was
part of the outcome of MIU's lawsuit against him back in
1983.

> My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no
> bounds of decorum or decency.

And Vaj isn't willing to say why he hates Robin so much. 

> I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting"
> anyone.

Of course he isn't. Targeting them for what? Why?

Vaj knows that's nonsense, but he's hoping others don't.
He wants to make folks leery of talking to Robin.

> He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people
> who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's
> really the purpose of this forum, is it not?

Exactly.

> I like Robin. I think he is a good guy.

Why he makes a few people here freak out is a mystery to me.
But interestingly, it's the same few people who are in the
habit of making this forum unpleasant for the TMers here.
You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejected
TM, that they'd want to make common cause with him.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > 
> > > But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism 
> > > and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old 
> > > audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in 
> > > listeningvia email.
> > > 
> > > Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson 
> > > County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to 
> > > Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has
> > > to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists
> > > to gain that lost adulation!
> > 
> > This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious
> > bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm.
> > 
> > Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming
> > people.
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different 
> accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some people's 
> hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. 

And the way that you say this Feste indicates to me that you are quite the 
opposite. A decent person who appears to operate within the boundaries of 
decency, intelligence yet with that flavour of feistiness I referred to the 
other day.
> 
> I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting" anyone. He is 
> working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to 
> debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is 
> it not? 

Well, not that it is always evident but, yes, I think that was probably the 
intention when this forum was conceived of. Not really the place for personal 
vendettas to play out and purposefully-posted incendiary and mean-spirited (to 
put it mildly)half truths and all- out lies. But seemingly reasonable people, 
like yourself, just end up automatically mirroring back the outrageous quality 
of this kind of libel. Just some vicious innuendos here from Vaj, "thrown into 
jail", "pedophile", " re-target". 
> 
> I like Robin. I think he is a good guy.

You know, I think I just might agree with you on that. 
> 
>  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > 
> > > But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism  
> > > and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old  
> > > audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in  
> > > listeningvia email.
> > > 
> > > Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson  
> > > County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to 
> > > Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has
> > > to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists
> > > to gain that lost adulation!
> > 
> > This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious
> > bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm.
> > 
> > Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming
> > people.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> 
> So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite 
> different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours!

As I understand it, he was barred legally from entering
Jefferson County--I assume that's still in effect, not
sure--but it had nothing to do with criminality; it was
part of the outcome of MIU's lawsuit against him back in
1983.

> My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no
> bounds of decorum or decency.

And Vaj isn't willing to say why he hates Robin so much. 

> I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting"
> anyone.

Of course he isn't. Targeting them for what? Why?

Vaj knows that's nonsense, but he's hoping others don't.
He wants to make folks leery of talking to Robin.

> He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people
> who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's
> really the purpose of this forum, is it not?

Exactly.

> I like Robin. I think he is a good guy.

Why he makes a few people here freak out is a mystery to me.
But interestingly, it's the same few people who are in the
habit of making this forum unpleasant for the TMers here.
You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejected
TM, that they'd want to make common cause with him.


 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > 
> > > But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism  
> > > and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old  
> > > audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in  
> > > listeningvia email.
> > > 
> > > Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson  
> > > County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to 
> > > Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has
> > > to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists
> > > to gain that lost adulation!
> > 
> > This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious
> > bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm.
> > 
> > Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming
> > people.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[feste37]

So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different 
accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some people's 
hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. 

I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting" anyone. He is working 
out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to debate or 
simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is it not? 

I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. 

 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> 
> > But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism  
> > and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old  
> > audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in  
> > listeningvia email.
> > 
> > Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson  
> > County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to 
> > Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has
> > to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists
> > to gain that lost adulation!
> 
> This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious
> bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm.
> 
> Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming
> people.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Emily Reyn]

First 50 seconds - loving, authentic, and ironic all at the same time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHI9BTpGkp8





 From: Robin Carlsen 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 7:10 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
 

  
Most interesting, iranitea. Thank you. My favourite lines from this post:

India is filled 
with many 
exceptionally beautiful women 
who don't desire me 
I verify this 
every single day 
as I walk around 
the city of Bombay 
I look into face after face 
and never once 
have I been wrong

The Creator is going to have to really be up for that encounter with 
Leonard--that loving irony, it might be about as good as it gets.

Never knew about this. Appreciate it.

Robin 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ebR_8UKAY&feature=related
> 
> http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/bombay.html
> http://ninamartyris.blogspot.de/2007/04/leonard-cohen-came-looking-in-mumbaiand.html
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> > > All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> > > Subject title that the person who sent it to me in 
> > > email did.
> > > 
> > > FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect 
> > > "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been 
> > > proposing lately to describe common behavior in 
> > > spiritual groups. 
> > > 
> > > I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
> > > by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
> > > object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
> > > was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably 
> > > some TV personality or host who was popular in that
> > > day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
> > > believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
> > > be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
> > > ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
> > > groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
> > > projected image, not the reality.
> > > 
> > > Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme
> > > of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it
> > > captures the *polarity* that develops when someone
> > > new develops a following among members of an established
> > > spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along 
> > > male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups 
> > > it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the 
> > > teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new 
> > > wannabee guru, and another faction hates him:
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg
> > > 
> > > And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of
> > > spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking
> > > their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it
> > > difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get
> > > so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering 
> > > under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" 
> > > on both sides.  :-)
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > > > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > > > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > > > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> > > > 
> > > > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be 
> > > > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students 
> > > > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. 
> > > > 
> > > > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, 
> > > > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers 
> > > > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess 
> > > > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd 
> > > > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei 
> > > > fans here!).
> > > >
> > >
> >
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Emily Reyn]

I was thinking about those that create false selves that are so real to them, 
that they forget they created them, in order to protect themselves.  Based in 
fear, looking for safety.  One creates a false self in order to not have to 
create a healthy boundary.  We are not taught to understand what a healthy 
boundary is and that we have the right to set them.  If one does not challenge 
one's false self, one will never move forward, no matter what 
philosophy/technique one adheres to.   



 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 11:33 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:

> But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism 
> and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old 
> audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in 
> listeningvia email.
> 
> Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson 
> County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to 
> Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has
> to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists
> to gain that lost adulation!

This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious
bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm.

Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming
people.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:

> But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism  
> and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old  
> audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in  
> listeningvia email.
> 
> Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson  
> County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to 
> Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has
> to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists
> to gain that lost adulation!

This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious
bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm.

Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming
people.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> -who wants to fly

Oh, start it earlier:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=13m00s

Otherwise it kills the funniest line in the film (by me,
anyway).



v=NQXA30hD2NQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=9\
> 61s
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=\
> 961s>
> now do you owe me 50% ... or was it really 10% only?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzqbqDW9z6E&feature=related
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzqbqDW9z6E&feature=related>
> 
> Hey Jude I knew you do not " luv me"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=5\
> 095s

I can't do anything right!




> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=\
> 5095s>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh God, hilarious...but is Burt pulling on his chest hair at
> > > one point?!
> >
> > He sure is. That is such a beautifully acted, written
> > (by Jerry Belson), and directed (by Reynolds himself)
> > scene. The film ("The End") drags a bit in spots, but
> > it has some brilliant scenes (including one with Robby
> > Benson as a neophyte priest hearing Reynolds's confession).
> >
> >
> > > From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:45 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mitF1kpMbvg
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[merudanda]

bless me Dave-who wants to fly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=9\
61s
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=\
961s>
now do you owe me 50% ... or was it really 10% only?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzqbqDW9z6E&feature=related
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzqbqDW9z6E&feature=related>

Hey Jude I knew you do not " luv me"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=5\
095s
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=\
5095s>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> >
> > Oh God, hilarious...but is Burt pulling on his chest hair at
> > one point?!
>
> He sure is. That is such a beautifully acted, written
> (by Jerry Belson), and directed (by Reynolds himself)
> scene. The film ("The End") drags a bit in spots, but
> it has some brilliant scenes (including one with Robby
> Benson as a neophyte priest hearing Reynolds's confession).
>
>
> > From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:45 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
> >
> >
> > Â
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mitF1kpMbvg
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Bhairitu]

On 08/02/2012 01:14 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> Subject title that the person who sent it to me in
> email did.
>
> FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect
> "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been
> proposing lately to describe common behavior in
> spiritual groups.
>
> I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
> by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
> object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
> was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably
> some TV personality or host who was popular in that
> day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
> believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
> be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
> ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
> groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
> projected image, not the reality.

Robert Goulet.  It was probably on his TV show and meant to be a comedy bit.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Oh God, hilarious...but is Burt pulling on his chest hair at
> one point?!

He sure is. That is such a beautifully acted, written
(by Jerry Belson), and directed (by Reynolds himself)
scene. The film ("The End") drags a bit in spots, but
it has some brilliant scenes (including one with Robby
Benson as a neophyte priest hearing Reynolds's confession).


> From: Robin Carlsen 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:45 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
>  
> 
>   
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mitF1kpMbvg

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> Subject title that the person who sent it to me in 
> email did.
> 
> FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect 
> "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been 
> proposing lately to describe common behavior in 
> spiritual groups. 
> 
> I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
> by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
> object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
> was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably 
> some TV personality or host who was popular in that
> day

Uh huh. Because if Barry let on that he knew who it
was, he couldn't go on to insinuate that he was gay:

 -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
> believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
> be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
> ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
> groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
> projected image, not the reality.
> 
> Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme
> of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it
> captures the *polarity* that develops when someone
> new develops a following among members of an established
> spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along 
> male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups 
> it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the 
> teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new 
> wannabee guru, and another faction hates him:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg
> 
> And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of
> spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking
> their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it
> difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get
> so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering 
> under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" 
> on both sides.  :-)

In fact, of course, this group is a subset of the "hate"
faction. Its members are characterized by extreme
jealousy of the individual getting all the attention.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Share Long]

Oh God, hilarious...but is Burt pulling on his chest hair at one point?!




 From: Robin Carlsen 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:45 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
 

  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mitF1kpMbvg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> Subject title that the person who sent it to me in 
> email did.
> 
> FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect 
> "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been 
> proposing lately to describe common behavior in 
> spiritual groups. 
> 
> I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
> by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
> object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
> was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably 
> some TV personality or host who was popular in that
> day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
> believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
> be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
> ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
> groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
> projected image, not the reality.
> 
> Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme
> of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it
> captures the *polarity* that develops when someone
> new develops a following among members of an established
> spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along 
> male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups 
> it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the 
> teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new 
> wannabee guru, and another faction hates him:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg
> 
> And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of
> spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking
> their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it
> difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get
> so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering 
> under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" 
> on both sides.  :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> > 
> > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be 
> > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students 
> > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. 
> > 
> > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, 
> > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers 
> > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess 
> > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd 
> > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei 
> > fans here!).
> >
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Share Long]

Wow!  Loving that gravelly voice...




 From: iranitea 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 8:27 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ebR_8UKAY&feature=related

http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/bombay.html
http://ninamartyris.blogspot.de/2007/04/leonard-cohen-came-looking-in-mumbaiand.html
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> > All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> > Subject title that the person who sent it to me in 
> > email did.
> > 
> > FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect 
> > "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been 
> > proposing lately to describe common behavior in 
> > spiritual groups. 
> > 
> > I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
> > by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
> > object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
> > was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably 
> > some TV personality or host who was popular in that
> > day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
> > believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
> > be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
> > ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
> > groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
> > projected image, not the reality.
> > 
> > Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme
> > of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it
> > captures the *polarity* that develops when someone
> > new develops a following among members of an established
> > spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along 
> > male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups 
> > it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the 
> > teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new 
> > wannabee guru, and another faction hates him:
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg
> > 
> > And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of
> > spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking
> > their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it
> > difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get
> > so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering 
> > under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" 
> > on both sides.  :-)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> > > 
> > > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be 
> > > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students 
> > > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. 
> > > 
> > > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, 
> > > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers 
> > > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess 
> > > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd 
> > > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei 
> > > fans here!).
> > >
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLiq-ZQAXHs
> 

http://youtu.be/joShGDJjmwE

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> > All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> > Subject title that the person who sent it to me in 
> > email did.
> > 
> > FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect 
> > "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been 
> > proposing lately to describe common behavior in 
> > spiritual groups. 
> > 
> > I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
> > by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
> > object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
> > was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably 
> > some TV personality or host who was popular in that
> > day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
> > believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
> > be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
> > ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
> > groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
> > projected image, not the reality.
> > 
> > Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme
> > of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it
> > captures the *polarity* that develops when someone
> > new develops a following among members of an established
> > spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along 
> > male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups 
> > it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the 
> > teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new 
> > wannabee guru, and another faction hates him:
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg
> > 
> > And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of
> > spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking
> > their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it
> > difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get
> > so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering 
> > under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" 
> > on both sides.  :-)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> > > 
> > > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be 
> > > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students 
> > > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. 
> > > 
> > > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, 
> > > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers 
> > > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess 
> > > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd 
> > > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei 
> > > fans here!).
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Robin Carlsen]

Most interesting, iranitea. Thank you. My favourite lines from this post:

India is filled 
with many 
exceptionally beautiful women 
who don't desire me 
I verify this 
every single day 
as I walk around 
the city of Bombay 
I look into face after face 
and never once 
have I been wrong

 The Creator is going to have to really be up for that encounter with 
Leonard--that loving irony, it might be about as good as it gets.

Never knew about this. Appreciate it.

Robin 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ebR_8UKAY&feature=related
> 
> http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/bombay.html
> http://ninamartyris.blogspot.de/2007/04/leonard-cohen-came-looking-in-mumbaiand.html
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> > > All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> > > Subject title that the person who sent it to me in 
> > > email did.
> > > 
> > > FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect 
> > > "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been 
> > > proposing lately to describe common behavior in 
> > > spiritual groups. 
> > > 
> > > I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
> > > by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
> > > object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
> > > was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably 
> > > some TV personality or host who was popular in that
> > > day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
> > > believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
> > > be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
> > > ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
> > > groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
> > > projected image, not the reality.
> > > 
> > > Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme
> > > of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it
> > > captures the *polarity* that develops when someone
> > > new develops a following among members of an established
> > > spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along 
> > > male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups 
> > > it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the 
> > > teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new 
> > > wannabee guru, and another faction hates him:
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg
> > > 
> > > And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of
> > > spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking
> > > their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it
> > > difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get
> > > so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering 
> > > under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" 
> > > on both sides.  :-)
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > > > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > > > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > > > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> > > > 
> > > > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be 
> > > > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students 
> > > > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. 
> > > > 
> > > > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, 
> > > > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers 
> > > > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess 
> > > > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd 
> > > > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei 
> > > > fans here!).
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Robin Carlsen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzgsdg-Bmvk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> Subject title that the person who sent it to me in 
> email did.
> 
> FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect 
> "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been 
> proposing lately to describe common behavior in 
> spiritual groups. 
> 
> I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
> by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
> object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
> was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably 
> some TV personality or host who was popular in that
> day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
> believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
> be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
> ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
> groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
> projected image, not the reality.
> 
> Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme
> of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it
> captures the *polarity* that develops when someone
> new develops a following among members of an established
> spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along 
> male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups 
> it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the 
> teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new 
> wannabee guru, and another faction hates him:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg
> 
> And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of
> spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking
> their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it
> difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get
> so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering 
> under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" 
> on both sides.  :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> > 
> > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be 
> > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students 
> > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. 
> > 
> > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, 
> > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers 
> > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess 
> > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd 
> > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei 
> > fans here!).
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=EyH760MV3Yg&feature=endscreen
> 

http://youtu.be/AKtwlHV1-O8
 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> > All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> > Subject title that the person who sent it to me in 
> > email did.
> > 
> > FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect 
> > "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been 
> > proposing lately to describe common behavior in 
> > spiritual groups. 
> > 
> > I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
> > by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
> > object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
> > was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably 
> > some TV personality or host who was popular in that
> > day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
> > believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
> > be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
> > ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
> > groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
> > projected image, not the reality.
> > 
> > Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme
> > of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it
> > captures the *polarity* that develops when someone
> > new develops a following among members of an established
> > spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along 
> > male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups 
> > it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the 
> > teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new 
> > wannabee guru, and another faction hates him:
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg
> > 
> > And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of
> > spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking
> > their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it
> > difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get
> > so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering 
> > under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" 
> > on both sides.  :-)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> > > 
> > > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be 
> > > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students 
> > > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. 
> > > 
> > > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, 
> > > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers 
> > > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess 
> > > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd 
> > > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei 
> > > fans here!).
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Robin Carlsen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLiq-ZQAXHs

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> Subject title that the person who sent it to me in 
> email did.
> 
> FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect 
> "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been 
> proposing lately to describe common behavior in 
> spiritual groups. 
> 
> I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
> by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
> object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
> was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably 
> some TV personality or host who was popular in that
> day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
> believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
> be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
> ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
> groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
> projected image, not the reality.
> 
> Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme
> of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it
> captures the *polarity* that develops when someone
> new develops a following among members of an established
> spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along 
> male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups 
> it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the 
> teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new 
> wannabee guru, and another faction hates him:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg
> 
> And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of
> spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking
> their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it
> difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get
> so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering 
> under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" 
> on both sides.  :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> > 
> > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be 
> > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students 
> > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. 
> > 
> > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, 
> > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers 
> > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess 
> > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd 
> > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei 
> > fans here!).
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[iranitea]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ebR_8UKAY&feature=related

http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/bombay.html
http://ninamartyris.blogspot.de/2007/04/leonard-cohen-came-looking-in-mumbaiand.html
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> > All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> > Subject title that the person who sent it to me in 
> > email did.
> > 
> > FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect 
> > "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been 
> > proposing lately to describe common behavior in 
> > spiritual groups. 
> > 
> > I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
> > by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
> > object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
> > was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably 
> > some TV personality or host who was popular in that
> > day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
> > believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
> > be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
> > ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
> > groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
> > projected image, not the reality.
> > 
> > Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme
> > of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it
> > captures the *polarity* that develops when someone
> > new develops a following among members of an established
> > spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along 
> > male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups 
> > it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the 
> > teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new 
> > wannabee guru, and another faction hates him:
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg
> > 
> > And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of
> > spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking
> > their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it
> > difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get
> > so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering 
> > under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" 
> > on both sides.  :-)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> > > 
> > > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be 
> > > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students 
> > > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. 
> > > 
> > > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, 
> > > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers 
> > > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess 
> > > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd 
> > > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei 
> > > fans here!).
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Robin Carlsen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDBrdl2sZWs

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 4:14 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> 
> > As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> > All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> > Subject title that the person who sent it to me in
> > email did.
> >
> > FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect
> > "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been
> > proposing lately to describe common behavior in
> > spiritual groups.
> 
> And that's a given. One expects it.
> 
> But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism  
> and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old  
> audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in  
> listeningvia email.
> 
> Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson  
> County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to Fairfield  
> you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has to be a first  
> in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists to gain that lost  
> adulation!
> 
> 
> Robin, by the grace of god, will you please manifest...atonement?  
> TIA. :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Robin Carlsen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25RAkXpQwnA

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> Subject title that the person who sent it to me in 
> email did.
> 
> FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect 
> "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been 
> proposing lately to describe common behavior in 
> spiritual groups. 
> 
> I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
> by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
> object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
> was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably 
> some TV personality or host who was popular in that
> day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
> believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
> be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
> ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
> groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
> projected image, not the reality.
> 
> Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme
> of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it
> captures the *polarity* that develops when someone
> new develops a following among members of an established
> spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along 
> male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups 
> it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the 
> teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new 
> wannabee guru, and another faction hates him:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg
> 
> And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of
> spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking
> their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it
> difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get
> so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering 
> under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" 
> on both sides.  :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> > 
> > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be 
> > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students 
> > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. 
> > 
> > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, 
> > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers 
> > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess 
> > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd 
> > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei 
> > fans here!).
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Robin Carlsen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-y2LUh-9AA

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> Subject title that the person who sent it to me in 
> email did.
> 
> FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect 
> "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been 
> proposing lately to describe common behavior in 
> spiritual groups. 
> 
> I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
> by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
> object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
> was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably 
> some TV personality or host who was popular in that
> day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
> believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
> be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
> ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
> groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
> projected image, not the reality.
> 
> Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme
> of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it
> captures the *polarity* that develops when someone
> new develops a following among members of an established
> spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along 
> male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups 
> it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the 
> teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new 
> wannabee guru, and another faction hates him:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg
> 
> And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of
> spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking
> their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it
> difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get
> so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering 
> under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" 
> on both sides.  :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> > 
> > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be 
> > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students 
> > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. 
> > 
> > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, 
> > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers 
> > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess 
> > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd 
> > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei 
> > fans here!).
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Robin Carlsen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMnKEmPL_Dk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> Subject title that the person who sent it to me in 
> email did.
> 
> FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect 
> "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been 
> proposing lately to describe common behavior in 
> spiritual groups. 
> 
> I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
> by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
> object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
> was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably 
> some TV personality or host who was popular in that
> day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
> believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
> be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
> ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
> groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
> projected image, not the reality.
> 
> Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme
> of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it
> captures the *polarity* that develops when someone
> new develops a following among members of an established
> spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along 
> male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups 
> it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the 
> teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new 
> wannabee guru, and another faction hates him:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg
> 
> And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of
> spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking
> their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it
> difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get
> so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering 
> under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" 
> on both sides.  :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> > 
> > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be 
> > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students 
> > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. 
> > 
> > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, 
> > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers 
> > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess 
> > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd 
> > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei 
> > fans here!).
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Robin Carlsen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ebR_8UKAY&feature=related

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> Subject title that the person who sent it to me in 
> email did.
> 
> FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect 
> "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been 
> proposing lately to describe common behavior in 
> spiritual groups. 
> 
> I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
> by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
> object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
> was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably 
> some TV personality or host who was popular in that
> day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
> believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
> be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
> ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
> groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
> projected image, not the reality.
> 
> Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme
> of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it
> captures the *polarity* that develops when someone
> new develops a following among members of an established
> spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along 
> male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups 
> it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the 
> teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new 
> wannabee guru, and another faction hates him:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg
> 
> And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of
> spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking
> their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it
> difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get
> so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering 
> under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" 
> on both sides.  :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> > 
> > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be 
> > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students 
> > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. 
> > 
> > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, 
> > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers 
> > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess 
> > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd 
> > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei 
> > fans here!).
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Robin Carlsen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mitF1kpMbvg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> Subject title that the person who sent it to me in 
> email did.
> 
> FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect 
> "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been 
> proposing lately to describe common behavior in 
> spiritual groups. 
> 
> I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
> by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
> object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
> was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably 
> some TV personality or host who was popular in that
> day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
> believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
> be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
> ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
> groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
> projected image, not the reality.
> 
> Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme
> of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it
> captures the *polarity* that develops when someone
> new develops a following among members of an established
> spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along 
> male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups 
> it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the 
> teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new 
> wannabee guru, and another faction hates him:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg
> 
> And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of
> spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking
> their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it
> difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get
> so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering 
> under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" 
> on both sides.  :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> > 
> > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be 
> > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students 
> > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. 
> > 
> > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, 
> > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers 
> > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess 
> > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd 
> > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei 
> > fans here!).
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Robin Carlsen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=EyH760MV3Yg&feature=endscreen


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
> All I did was forward a music video, under the same
> Subject title that the person who sent it to me in 
> email did.
> 
> FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect 
> "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been 
> proposing lately to describe common behavior in 
> spiritual groups. 
> 
> I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
> by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
> object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
> was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably 
> some TV personality or host who was popular in that
> day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
> believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
> be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
> ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
> groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
> projected image, not the reality.
> 
> Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme
> of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it
> captures the *polarity* that develops when someone
> new develops a following among members of an established
> spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along 
> male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups 
> it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the 
> teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new 
> wannabee guru, and another faction hates him:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg
> 
> And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of
> spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking
> their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it
> difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get
> so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering 
> under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" 
> on both sides.  :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> > 
> > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be 
> > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students 
> > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. 
> > 
> > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, 
> > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers 
> > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess 
> > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd 
> > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei 
> > fans here!).
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Vaj]

On Aug 2, 2012, at 4:14 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
All I did was forward a music video, under the same
Subject title that the person who sent it to me in
email did.

FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect
"soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been
proposing lately to describe common behavior in
spiritual groups.


And that's a given. One expects it.

But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism  
and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old  
audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in  
listeningvia email.


Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson  
County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to Fairfield  
you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has to be a first  
in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists to gain that lost  
adulation!



Robin, by the grace of god, will you please manifest...atonement?  
TIA. :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Vaj]

On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:13 AM, awoelflebater wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
>
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  
 wrote:

>
> > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I
> > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
>
>
> Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be  
reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back  
when. It's too uncannily familiar.


Oh Vaj, Vaj, Vaj. I was hardly innocent. I wasn't looking for  
anything except something unique, intelligent, exciting and new. So  
don't start defining categorically the characteristics of those who  
found and followed and engaged Mr Carlsen. I was no babe in the  
woods and hardly without smarts so you can just stuff that little  
assertion of yours back in the junk pile where it belongs.


Well don't assume I was talking about you. I believe you had already  
graduated, no?




>
> It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's  
founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an  
out-of-jail pedophile at a playground.


You groom horses Vaj. Or maybe it is you who is feeling the siren  
call of Robin. It would be for the first time then. Unfortunately I  
think you're a little late joining the queue. It wound itself down  
25 years ago. But I have some great old pictures if you want to  
relive some great old times.


I'd be happy to see them. Thanks for sharing.




I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd  
that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans  
here!).


What does this "falling for it" look like? Perhaps you are  
mistaking civilized exchange for adulation.


I'm mere observing a old patterns I've seen before, no more, no less.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[turquoiseb]

As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-)
All I did was forward a music video, under the same
Subject title that the person who sent it to me in 
email did.

FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect 
"soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been 
proposing lately to describe common behavior in 
spiritual groups. 

I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured
by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the
object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That
was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably 
some TV personality or host who was popular in that
day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who
believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll
be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob-
ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how
groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the
projected image, not the reality.

Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme
of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it
captures the *polarity* that develops when someone
new develops a following among members of an established
spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along 
male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups 
it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the 
teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new 
wannabee guru, and another faction hates him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg

And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of
spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking
their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it
difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get
so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering 
under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" 
on both sides.  :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> 
> Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be 
> reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students 
> way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. 
> 
> It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, 
> it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers 
> again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess 
> when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd 
> that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei 
> fans here!).
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[cardemaister]

Hey gals, don't feed a troll! :D

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb  wrote:
> 
> > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> 
> 
> Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of 
> previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too 
> uncannily familiar. 

Oh Vaj, Vaj, Vaj. I was hardly innocent. I wasn't looking for anything except 
something unique, intelligent, exciting and new. So don't start defining 
categorically the characteristics of those who found and followed and engaged 
Mr Carlsen. I was no babe in the woods and hardly without smarts so you can 
just stuff that little assertion of yours back in the junk pile where it 
belongs.
> 
> It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and 
> allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile 
> at a playground. 

You groom horses Vaj. Or maybe it is you who is feeling the siren call of 
Robin. It would be for the first time then. Unfortunately I think you're a 
little late joining the queue. It wound itself down 25 years ago. But I have 
some great old pictures if you want to relive some great old times.

I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for 
the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).

What does this "falling for it" look like? Perhaps you are mistaking civilized 
exchange for adulation. 
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Emily Reyn]

I was wondering *who* the new bunch of TM'ers might be.  Vaj, a sincere apology 
for your ugly analogy is needed from you.  Way beyond the pale.   



 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 8:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
 

  
Good grief, Vaj has his insane Robin-hatred on again. Nobody
knows why he loathes Robin so much, and Vaj refuses to say.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
 
> Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers,

Says Vaj, starting right out with a lie, one anybody who
reads the traffic *knows* is a lie. There's no "new
bunch of TMers" here. The only TMer newbie to FFL Robin's
been talking to is Share.

> one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with
> innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily
> familiar.

Not from everything I've read and heard, nope, not even
remotely.

> It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's 
> founder and allegedly found Jesus

Another lie. He's rejected Catholicism and has made that
clear as crystal.

> - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a
> playground.

Let's nominate this for one of the "vicious" posts that
Barry's been demanding examples of. I think we can all
agree that "out-of-jail pedophile at a playground" is
about as vicious as it gets.

"Grooming TMers"? For what? Obviously not for TM. Which
automatically rules out any similarity to what he was
doing at MIU almost 30 years ago.

If you haven't been reading Robin's posts, Vaj, why on
earth are you even talking about them?

> I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only
> crowd that fall for the routine

Which "routine" is that, Vaj? And what about Emily? She
likes him, and she's not a TMer.

> (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).

Not too likely Opus Dei fans would fall for the "routine"
of an apostate from Catholicism.

Just compare the tone and honesty of Vaj's posts to those
of Robin's posts, and you have a really clear idea of what
kind of person each of them is.

Why is Vaj so threatened by Robin discussing his philosophy? 
Why can't Robin be allowed to do what everyone else here
does all the time without being vilified and lied about?


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[authfriend]

Good grief, Vaj has his insane Robin-hatred on again. Nobody
knows why he loathes Robin so much, and Vaj refuses to say.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
 
> Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers,

Says Vaj, starting right out with a lie, one anybody who
reads the traffic *knows* is a lie. There's no "new
bunch of TMers" here. The only TMer newbie to FFL Robin's
been talking to is Share.

> one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with
> innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily
> familiar.

Not from everything I've read and heard, nope, not even
remotely.

> It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's 
> founder and allegedly found Jesus

Another lie. He's rejected Catholicism and has made that
clear as crystal.

> - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a
> playground.

Let's nominate this for one of the "vicious" posts that
Barry's been demanding examples of. I think we can all
agree that "out-of-jail pedophile at a playground" is
about as vicious as it gets.

"Grooming TMers"? For what? Obviously not for TM. Which
automatically rules out any similarity to what he was
doing at MIU almost 30 years ago.

If you haven't been reading Robin's posts, Vaj, why on
earth are you even talking about them?

> I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only
> crowd that fall for the routine

Which "routine" is that, Vaj? And what about Emily? She
likes him, and she's not a TMer.

> (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).

Not too likely Opus Dei fans would fall for the "routine"
of an apostate from Catholicism.

Just compare the tone and honesty of Vaj's posts to those
of Robin's posts, and you have a really clear idea of what
kind of person each of them is.

Why is Vaj so threatened by Robin discussing his philosophy? 
Why can't Robin be allowed to do what everyone else here
does all the time without being vilified and lied about?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Share Long]

Feeling very Echo y here (-:


Fun to read you and Xeno, also you and Cricket. 


As for that other post, as Jerry Seinfeld would say, "I'm not making this up," 
there's been a woman in the Dome for about a month now who looks EXACTLY like 
that nurse!  She used to sit right in front of me and give me the thumbs up 
when she stepped over me to get to her backjack.  Looking like a dark haired 
Anjolie Joli and acting like jolly hockey sticks.  It's a funny old world for 
sure...



 From: Robin Carlsen 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJaNSXlYuQ

Robert Goulet could sing (and is Canadian), but this is better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya46wfeWqJk


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Emily Reyn]

Ha ha haRobin, Robin, Robinmethinks you are channeling the esteemed Mr. 
Price here with this one, for sure.  Send him my regards.  



 From: Robin Carlsen 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:20 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJaNSXlYuQ

More (not for Buck'e eyes)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbHcR3JjLyo&feature=youtu.be


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Robin Carlsen]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJaNSXlYuQ

More (not for Buck'e eyes)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbHcR3JjLyo&feature=youtu.be

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Robin Carlsen]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJaNSXlYuQ

Robert Goulet could sing (and is Canadian), but this is better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya46wfeWqJk

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story

[Robin Carlsen]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly
> that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I 
> make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link
> because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJaNSXlYuQ

Someone sent this to me, suggesting kindly that it reminded him of nothing on 
FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because 
it made me chuckle,and might do the same for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2wutEzjy_E