Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Michael Jackson]

I disagree - it is no longer ancient history since the David Lynch Foundation 
as the front organization for TMO is attempting to re-introduce a sanitized TM 
back into mainstream society via media blitz and celebrity endorsements - I am 
opposed to them rooking innocent people looking for meditation into being part 
of this world - it is a different TMO than when I started in 1974 and now more 
than ever they look at every potential meditator as a potential cash cow.





 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
 

  
It was not an official sign by the TMO.  There was no they involved.  The sign 
was put up by an anonymous someone on the bulletin 
board in the coat room of the women's Dome where other life transitions such as 
births and 
weddings and birthdays and anniversaries are announced.  That person was 
expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death occurring on Jan 1, the day 
when many are beginning the traditional week of silence.        

Yes, I know the world I inhabit.  And you do NOT know it, Turq.  You merely 
continue to project onto it your own unresolved stuff.  Stuff from decades ago. 
 Ok, I have unresolved stuff too.  But at least I have the good sense to 
recognize it and do something about it that I think is benficial.

For God's sake, man, get over the TMO already!  It's a new year and all that is 
ancient history.



 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:07 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how 
 auspicious it is that he passed on the first day of 
 silence in the new year.

OK, commenting not to be nasty or insulting or anything
like that, just to see whether you understand the nature
of the world you live in, you DO understand, do you not,
that they would have said the same thing if Paul McCartney
had died on this day, or David Lynch?

It's not about auspiciousness. It's about the TMO trying
to co-opt *everything* related to a famous TMer to make it 
All About Us. 

Triguna died. The Maharishi-invented days of silence 
started. There is no relationship between the two events.
When someone tries to create one, I think it is justified
to ask Why?




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[Michael Jackson]

the things that have worked well for me have been acupuncture, some ayurvedice 
herbs, Chinese formulas and TCM (traditional chinese medicine) but you gotta be 
damn careful where you get the Chinese herbs - I have also seen acupuncture and 
TCM have a good effect on animals - I would have to include chiropractic with 
both humans and animals as having good effect  - this is from personal 
experience, chiro on me, and I observed the difference in friend's horses after 
having a veterinary chiropractor work on them.

Oh, one other thing that has worked well with muscle tightness, stiffness or 
dysfunction of one type or another and that has ben various type of kinesiology 
(mainly the form called Touch for Health)



 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 Pampering for the worried well is what they call alternative
 medicine over here. When you aren't well is when to drop it.

Excellent. My forays into science writing and having
to delve into the verifiable scientific support for 
different treatment options (and all too often the utter 
lack thereof) have left me with even a worse opinion of 
alternative medicine than of traditional medicine. 

This buzzphrase kinda nails the mindset of those who
(in my opinion, of course) pay the big bucks to quacks
primarily because they pay attention to *them*. 

Another great buzzphrase I've heard lately from the UK
was the description used in the press for some of the
WAY upper-class baby birthing clinics in the UK catering
to the uber-rich and specializing in pumping them so full
of drugs that they are barely conscious of the actual 
birth -- Too posh to push. 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Michael Jackson]

I know I can't post this for several days but Oh My God - here is the king of 
accusing people of making statements with no facts to back them up claiming 
that people are popping into Cosmic Consciousness from long practice of TM??? 
You must be popping pills along with your daily TM - what are they peyote? 
Mescaline? psilocybin tea?





 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:18 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
   Yes, I know the world I inhabit.  And you do NOT know it, Turq.  You 
   merely continue to project onto it your own unresolved stuff.  Stuff 
   from decades ago.  Ok, I have unresolved stuff too.  But at least I 
   have the good sense to recognize it and do something about it that I 
   think is benficial.
   
   For God's sake, man, get over the TMO already!  It's a new year and all 
   that is ancient history.
  
  He can't get over Maharishi, simply can't. Even more than 40 years since he 
  did a stint in the Movement, even studying with other teachers and 
  becoming a Buddhist cannot erase the memory of the TMO and Maharishi to 
  such a extent that he still today, decades after he last saw a video of 
  Maharishi uses the majority of his 50 alotted posts here to try to trash 
  the only real Saint he was ever within a mile of. 
  
  What an everlasting impression Maharishi must have done to this poor soul !
 
 Well, now you know how TM transforms a person's life! You can add it to the 
 list of movement successes. This is actually a very important observation. 
 Why do a proportion of people who practice TM end up doing what turquoiseb 
 does?

Interesting question. 0.1 % ? His hate is unique. Perhaps, and this is only 
a theory ofcourse; the success of the Movement in countries formerly dominated 
by Buddhism is one factor. Another is that people obviously are popping in to 
CC due to long-term practise of TM. The Turq is no fool even though he behaves 
like one, he is aware of this success and it reminds him that his life was 
wasted in wasting time making him an angry and bitter old man. 
Add to the support for David Lynch from a galaxy of Hollywood celebrities and 
famous directors (many of whom have not yet stepped forward) and the salt is 
just being rubbed into his open wounds. And I haven't even mentioned the 8000 
school-children now doing YF in Central America with perhaps as many as 29000 
will practise within the end of this year...

The organisation seems to studiously avoid follow-up of its programs to find 
out how it actually works out with everyone. The only study I have seen that 
followed up indicated that only 20% of learners meditated regularly, and a 
similar proportion on occasion, and the rest stopped.

Perhaps, perhaps not. Noone really studied this probably because it is far more 
interesting to focus on the possibilities and new, younger generations. There 
will always be people who stop TM, like stopping any other practise, for a 
zillion of reasons.

In my case I did not stop, but lately, the last two or three years or so, due 
to the changes in the quality of my experience, the structure of my meditations 
has been spontaneously morphing so that, in the strictest sense of its process, 
I am not doing TM that much anymore, but I still meditate.

Perhaps something good is happening ? If you doubt what is happening why not 
consult someone you trust. There is a Dr.Dumbass here who seems to be pretty 
much in the know of many things pertaining to the growth of higher states of 
consciousness, why not discuss it with him ?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[Michael Jackson]

I have to admit I agree with you on this, although I have received benefit from 
some ayurvedic herbs - actually not formulas but single herbs that have 
helped me with both diabetes and kidney stones - I know that folks are 
lionizing Triguna and I had no personal experience of him but when I read the 
stories of people who did like telling Chopra to look at the moon I am thinking 
this guy was some sort of health wizard?!?!?

If he was then Marshy used him to give credibility to the TMO.





 From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 11:33 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
 
  Trigunaji 1916- 1 Jan 2013
 
 
 In honor of Trigunaji's passing,

Interesting start to a story that seems to underline the whole
ayurveda story to me. It doesn't work.

 Triguna's herbs were bitter. I managed to get the herbs past my taste buds by 
 mixing them with a small shot of tea, bolting it down and then chasing it 
 with a big cup of tea.  Never drink anything is India that isn't boiled. 
 Anyway, the herbs didn't seem to work and I ended up taking Western medicine, 
 which knocked out the bug in my bad bowel. 

Taking western medicine Raunchy, very shrewd. I've always thought that
experimenting with auyrveda (and all alternative health scams) was fine *as 
long as there is nothing wrong with you* I know people that would still be 
alive if they hadn't swallowed, hook line and stinker, the whole perfect 
science of health bit that Marshy via Triguna was plugging.

In fact I know someone who is very seriously ill because he eschewed
anti-biotics in favour of stone age hopefulness. Upon becoming ill he
took himself off to Marshy's favourite ayurveda clinic where, after a
predictably large fortune had been spent -and a cure not forthcoming- he was 
told there must be some doubt in you. Good medicine!

Still, there's always the yagya programme to fall back on. Throwing
good money after bad IMO but when you truly believe this stuff what
else can you do? The TMO abandoned common sense a long time ago, leave
it in the hands of the gods! Might as well as spend any more money
on ayurveda . My friend will probably die a long slow miserable death and 
everyone will rationalise it in the usual way and blame it on his planets or 
rakshasas or something similarly untestable. 

Sometimes I think a crime is being committed but maybe it's just 
the crime of stupidity. After all we are intelligent people who
are free to make choices based on evidence or beliefs. Seems a shame that an 
org like the TMO with its proclaimed belief in science has such a shaky 
superstitious core lying just beneath the surface, they
might be in a position to help people by recommending they go to
a proper doctor instead of clinging to the dream that they have all
the answers by taking your pulse and telling you to stare at the
moon.

So why all the reverence? Would you really want to live in a world
where ayurveda was the only method of healthcare? Anyone?


 Jai Guru Dev, Trigunaji, rest in peace.



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[obbajeeba]

I have to agree. Whatever happens, happens and this saves us a whole lot of 
money. LMAO!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
 
  May his soul rest in peace.
  
  According to what I have been told by Vedic experts, 
  Makar Sankranti  (January 14th) is the day of the sun 
  going into Makara (Capricorn), and dying that day and 
  beyond, coming months during the sun gaining strength 
  time of the year, is protecting from rebirth. That is 
  the day of auspicious death. According to this belief, 
  Triguna will be coming back in some reincarnated form. 
 
 Cool. So according to these experts, the 10,251,000
 people who die every year during this period avoid 
 reincarnation just by dying at the right time. 
 
 Bummer for all those who thought they had to do some
 sort of spiritual sadhana to achieve that, eh?  :-)
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann  wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how 
 auspicious it is that he passed on the first day of 
 silence in the new year.

OK, commenting not to be nasty or insulting or anything
like that, just to see whether you understand the nature
of the world you live in, you DO understand, do you not,
that they would have said the same thing if Paul McCartney
had died on this day, or David Lynch?

It's not about auspiciousness. It's about the TMO trying
to co-opt *everything* related to a famous TMer to make it 
All About Us. 

Triguna died. The Maharishi-invented days of silence 
started. There is no relationship between the two events.
When someone tries to create one, I think it is justified
to ask Why?
   
   There IS a relationship only insofar as two things happened on the same 
   day. Other than that it would be a stretch, in my opinion, to believe 
   that he waited to die or was ordained to die on the same day as the first 
   day of silence (whatever that is) and that that would be somehow 
   auspicious. I also agree that the question why is not asked often 
   enough. It seems there are a lot of 'faithful' at FFL; not that it is a 
   bad thing but I prefer faith tempered with a healthy dose of questioning.
   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[azgrey]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
 
  Regarding blissyness. I heard Adyashanti speaking about a friend who
 was with him in a monastery course (at least that is what I remember).
 This fellow would come before the master and effuse blissfulness. 'It
is
 just so blissful all the time, it is so amazing how wonderful I feel
all
 the time.' This went on every time he came before the master. Finally
 the master just tore into him and told him if he did not shape up and
 get serious, he would be asked to leave the monastery.

 Good call. These people look pretty blissy, too. Scroll down to see
who
 they are...

 [http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/6/1/8/128618.jpg?v=1]

 Just yer everyday happy hippie family...the Manson family.


Looks kinda like ole Squeaky Woelfle on the left.
Go figure. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[obbajeeba]

May his soul rest in peace.

According to what I have been told by Vedic experts, Makar Sankranti  (January 
14th) is the day of the sun going into Makara (Capricorn), and dying that day 
and beyond, coming months during the sun gaining strength time of the year, is 
protecting from rebirth. That is the day of auspicious death. According to this 
belief, Triguna will be coming back in some reincarnated form. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
  
   There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how 
   auspicious it is that he passed on the first day of 
   silence in the new year.
  
  OK, commenting not to be nasty or insulting or anything
  like that, just to see whether you understand the nature
  of the world you live in, you DO understand, do you not,
  that they would have said the same thing if Paul McCartney
  had died on this day, or David Lynch?
  
  It's not about auspiciousness. It's about the TMO trying
  to co-opt *everything* related to a famous TMer to make it 
  All About Us. 
  
  Triguna died. The Maharishi-invented days of silence 
  started. There is no relationship between the two events.
  When someone tries to create one, I think it is justified
  to ask Why?
 
 There IS a relationship only insofar as two things happened on the same day. 
 Other than that it would be a stretch, in my opinion, to believe that he 
 waited to die or was ordained to die on the same day as the first day of 
 silence (whatever that is) and that that would be somehow auspicious. I also 
 agree that the question why is not asked often enough. It seems there are a 
 lot of 'faithful' at FFL; not that it is a bad thing but I prefer faith 
 tempered with a healthy dose of questioning.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:

 May his soul rest in peace.
 
 According to what I have been told by Vedic experts, 
 Makar Sankranti  (January 14th) is the day of the sun 
 going into Makara (Capricorn), and dying that day and 
 beyond, coming months during the sun gaining strength 
 time of the year, is protecting from rebirth. That is 
 the day of auspicious death. According to this belief, 
 Triguna will be coming back in some reincarnated form. 

Cool. So according to these experts, the 10,251,000
people who die every year during this period avoid 
reincarnation just by dying at the right time. 

Bummer for all those who thought they had to do some
sort of spiritual sadhana to achieve that, eh?  :-)

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann  wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
   
There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how 
auspicious it is that he passed on the first day of 
silence in the new year.
   
   OK, commenting not to be nasty or insulting or anything
   like that, just to see whether you understand the nature
   of the world you live in, you DO understand, do you not,
   that they would have said the same thing if Paul McCartney
   had died on this day, or David Lynch?
   
   It's not about auspiciousness. It's about the TMO trying
   to co-opt *everything* related to a famous TMer to make it 
   All About Us. 
   
   Triguna died. The Maharishi-invented days of silence 
   started. There is no relationship between the two events.
   When someone tries to create one, I think it is justified
   to ask Why?
  
  There IS a relationship only insofar as two things happened on the same 
  day. Other than that it would be a stretch, in my opinion, to believe that 
  he waited to die or was ordained to die on the same day as the first day of 
  silence (whatever that is) and that that would be somehow auspicious. I 
  also agree that the question why is not asked often enough. It seems 
  there are a lot of 'faithful' at FFL; not that it is a bad thing but I 
  prefer faith tempered with a healthy dose of questioning.
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Emily

[Share Long]

Emily, IMO it is NEVER possible to leave it all behind.  And then I realize 
that I didn't really want to anyway (-:

When Ted and I got married in 1968 we were both still in college and wanting to 
complete education.  So I went on the birth control pill which almost wrecked 
my health.  But that is another story.  Plus we were both stewpid about 
marriage, the opposite sex, etc. and had major problems right away.  That made 
me very leery of having children with him.  


Anyway we hung in there for six years.  Our life certainly got better on the 
material level.  And in retrospect I would say we burned off some major karma.  
But at a certain point in 1974 I knew I could not live my whole life like that. 
 So I left him.  Eight months later I learned TM.  Many years later a jyotishi 
explained why it was not my destiny to have children in this lifetime.  This of 
course is a very condensed version.


Though it sounds like it in your first paragraph below, I'm sure you don't 
think of your girls as a crimp in your ability to make a change.



 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Steve  Ann
 

  
Share, I've wanted to run away from my mainstream life for some time now; you 
did the right thing by not having children and taking on the responsibility of 
raising them alone.  Puts a big crimp in the ability to take off on a new track 
and leave it all behind.  

I sincerely think you've got a pretty good gig going - you seem content, with 
financial stability, a belief system that works for you, and a community that 
you enjoy.  I have noticed in the last few days that you've been speaking more 
from your own person and its refreshing.  



 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Steve  Ann
 

  
Happy 60th to Mrs. Steve tomorrow.  When I was working at MUM with a young man 
from India he explained to me that the 60th is considered a very auspicious 
(whoops, sorry Xeno) birthday (-:  

I think merudanda also mentioned this once.  



Anyway, what constitutes real life?  Was my life MORE real when I was married 
and working full time and helping pay a mortgage?  Which was $187/month if you 
can believe it!  We also had 2 cats and a dog and my husband was a CPA.  We 
had a house about a mile from the University of Maryland in College Park.  I 
think we bought it mainly because of the huge and sloping and well shaded back 
yard.  I had yet to learn TM.  I think our front door faced east (-:

We had a convertible Kharman Ghia and an Audi Fox and a VW bug.  On weekends 
we drank wine and
 socialized with friends and attended concerts at places like Wolf Trap in 
Virginia.  Also I was attending graduate school at night part time, studying to 
become a high school counselor.  



That all seems like another lifetime.  Real in its own way.  As is my life 
now.  As the song says:  To every thing there is a season, and a time to every 
purpose under the heaven... 



 From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
 

  
(I'm gonna try to recreate this reply that Yahoo just ate)
Ann,
As I've mentioned several times over the last few days,  I don't know Share 
personally.  We've had a few infrequent offline communications, usually just a 
sentence or two.  But we know that she was married, that she was a suburban 
housewife, that she's held various positions at MIU and MUM, that she's spent 
periods of time away from Fairfield.  I think it's likely that she's done many 
of the things you list below.  In fact rereading you list below, I bet she has 
done most of those things in one way or another.
At some point you become comfortable in your own skin and routine.  I see it 
in my wife who has her 60th birthday tomorrow.  
That's what I see in Share, and also someone still open to adventure.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
 
  Thanks for giving your POV.  To counter your core inaccuracy about me:  
  I have strongly questioned TM, TMO, etc.  In fact, I did just that when I 
  left campus 10 years ago.  Then there were 7 years when I was not in the 
  Dome at all.  In July 2009 there were 2 weeks when I did not do my sidhis 
  because I was at a PKYC retreat and they asked me to restrict myself to TM 
  only.  During my 5 years with Waking Down I was in satsang with ex govs 
  usually once a week and we were not talking about SCI.  Though most of 
  them reported continuing TM.  All these different behaviors

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Steve Ann

[card]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 Happy 60th to Mrs. Steve tomorrow.  When I was working at MUM with a young 
 man from India he explained to me that the 60th is considered a very 
 auspicious (whoops, sorry Xeno) birthday (-:  
 
 I think merudanda also mentioned this once.  
 
 
 Anyway, what constitutes real life?  Was my life MORE real when I was 
 married and working full time and helping pay a mortgage?  Which was 
 $187/month if you can believe it!  We also had 2 cats and a dog and my 
 husband was a CPA.  We had a house about a mile from the University of 
 Maryland in College Park.  I think we bought it mainly because of the huge 
 and sloping and well shaded back yard.  I had yet to learn TM.  I think our 
 front door faced east (-:
 
 We had a convertible Kharman Ghia and an Audi Fox and a VW bug.  On weekends 
 we drank wine and
  socialized with friends and attended concerts at places like Wolf Trap in 
 Virginia.  Also I was attending graduate school at night part time, studying 
 to become a high school counselor.  
 
 
 That all seems like another lifetime.  Real in its own way.  As is my life 
 now.  As the song says:  To every thing there is a season, and a time to 
 every purpose under the heaven...
 
 

FWIW, one of my favourite(sic!) 60's tunes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc7b62El_fk

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Carde

[Share Long]

Yep Card I LOVE that one too.  But this is the one I had in mind when I posted 
the quote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ga_M5Zdn4





 From: card cardemais...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 7:17 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Steve  Ann
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 Happy 60th to Mrs. Steve tomorrow.  When I was working at MUM with a young 
 man from India he explained to me that the 60th is considered a very 
 auspicious (whoops, sorry Xeno) birthday (-:  
 
 I think merudanda also mentioned this once.  
 
 
 Anyway, what constitutes real life?  Was my life MORE real when I was 
 married and working full time and helping pay a mortgage?  Which was 
 $187/month if you can believe it!  We also had 2 cats and a dog and my 
 husband was a CPA.  We had a house about a mile from the University of 
 Maryland in College Park.  I think we bought it mainly because of the huge 
 and sloping and well shaded back yard.  I had yet to learn TM.  I think our 
 front door faced east (-:
 
 We had a convertible Kharman Ghia and an Audi Fox and a VW bug.  On weekends 
 we drank wine and
  socialized with friends and attended concerts at places like Wolf Trap in 
 Virginia.  Also I was attending graduate school at night part time, studying 
 to become a high school counselor.  
 
 
 That all seems like another lifetime.  Real in its own way.  As is my life 
 now.  As the song says:  To every thing there is a season, and a time to 
 every purpose under the heaven...
 
 

FWIW, one of my favourite(sic!) 60's tunes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc7b62El_fk


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to feste and Steve

[Share Long]

Thank you both for saying such kind stuff about me recently.  I admit I blush 
(-:




 From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 7:55 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
 
  I think of her pretty much like Nabby, only with much,
  much less of the Schutzstaffel vibe. Meaning that I don't
  for a moment think that she's faking her blissninniness.
  It appears to have been going on so long now that I don't
  think she has a ghost of a chance of ever changing it,
  even if she wanted to. If I've had a purpose in ever
  commenting on her, it's to see if she is even capable
  of understanding how she sometimes comes across.
 
 
 Blissninniness?  Don't see it.  Moodmaking?  Even less so. TBer? Sorry,
 no blind faith here.
 
 You, or I have no idea of the path that has brought her to her present
 outlook, except for the tidbits she has shared. But I see someone who
 has carefully considered each step on her path, and has likely endured
 many tests along the way.


Yes. I don't know where people get this idea that Share is a blissninny. Not 
at all. I would say she has a positive, optimistic outlook but is not ignorant 
of, and does not ignore, the dark or more problematic side of things. She knows 
how to give sorrow its due. Share is, I can tell you, a serious individual who 
has thought deeply about many of the issues that we discuss on this forum. 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Emily

[Emily Reyn]

I think it was my destiny to have children in this lifetime.  I'm glad I had 
only two, by choice, and the two have saved my life and they are a gift, 
absolutely.  They gave me unconditional love and I was unaware of what that was 
prior.  I'm just tripping on my own life and sometimes I feel sorry for myself 
because I feel constrained at this point in my life, but I can't, if I'm 
honest, imagine a scenario that doesn't involve children.  I would be dead 
right now, I'm pretty positive about that.  They have given me more than I have 
given them.  

I was just stating what seemed obvious to me - no judgment Share.  




 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Emily
 

  
Emily, IMO it is NEVER possible to leave it all behind.  And then I realize 
that I didn't really want to anyway (-:

When Ted and I got married in 1968 we were both still in college and wanting 
to complete education.  So I went on the birth control pill which almost 
wrecked my health.  But that is another story.  Plus we were both stewpid 
about marriage, the opposite sex, etc. and had major problems right away.  
That made me very leery of having children with him.  



Anyway we hung in there for six years.  Our life certainly got better on the 
material level.  And in retrospect I would say we burned off some major karma. 
 But at a certain point in 1974 I knew I could not live my whole life like 
that.  So I left him.  Eight months later I learned TM.  Many years later a 
jyotishi explained why it was not my destiny to have children in this 
lifetime.  This of course is a very condensed version.



Though it sounds like it in your first paragraph below, I'm sure you don't 
think of your girls as a crimp in your ability to make a change.



 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Steve  Ann
 

  
Share, I've wanted to run away from my mainstream life for some time now; you 
did the right thing by not having children and taking on the responsibility of 
raising them alone.  Puts a big crimp in the ability to take off on a new 
track and leave it all behind.  


I sincerely think you've got a pretty good gig going - you seem content, with 
financial stability, a belief system that works for you, and a community that 
you enjoy.  I have noticed in the last few days that you've been speaking more 
from your own person and its refreshing.  




 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Steve  Ann
 

  
Happy 60th to Mrs. Steve tomorrow.  When I was working at MUM with a young 
man from India he explained to me that the 60th is considered a very 
auspicious (whoops, sorry Xeno) birthday (-:  

I think merudanda also mentioned this once.  



Anyway, what constitutes real life?  Was my life MORE real when I was married 
and working full time and helping pay a mortgage?  Which was $187/month if 
you can believe it!  We also had 2 cats and a dog and my husband was a CPA.  
We had a house about a mile from the University of Maryland in College Park.  
I think we bought it mainly because of the huge and sloping and well shaded 
back yard.  I had yet to learn TM.  I think our front door faced east (-:

We had a convertible Kharman Ghia and an Audi Fox and a VW bug.  On weekends 
we drank wine and
 socialized with friends and attended concerts at places like Wolf Trap in 
Virginia.  Also I was attending graduate school at night part time, studying to 
become a high school counselor.  



That all seems like another lifetime.  Real in its own way.  As is my life 
now.  As the song says:  To every thing there is a season, and a time to 
every purpose under the heaven... 



 From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
 

  
(I'm gonna try to recreate this reply that Yahoo just ate)
Ann,
As I've mentioned several times over the last few days,  I don't know Share 
personally.  We've had a few infrequent offline communications, usually just 
a sentence or two.  But we know that she was married, that she was a suburban 
housewife, that she's held various positions at MIU and MUM, that she's spent 
periods of time away from Fairfield.  I think it's likely that she's done 
many of the things you list below.  In fact rereading you list below, I bet 
she has done most of those things in one way or another.
At some point you become comfortable

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[turquoiseb]

Share, since you so obviously don't get what I was doing,
I'm going to actually try to explain it to you. I know
in advance that it won't work, but I'll do it anyway.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 It was not an official sign by the TMO. There was no they 
 involved. The sign was put up by an anonymous someone on 
 the bulletin board in the coat room of the women's Dome 
 where other life transitions such as births and weddings 
 and birthdays and anniversaries are announced. That person 
 was expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death 
 occurring on Jan 1, the day when many are beginning the 
 traditional week of silence. 

Share, your nitpick is as STOOOPID as when Judy does it.
I wasn't referring to the TMO as the TM organization per
se, as manifested in its administrators, but the TMO as
the whole group of (from my point of view) highly
dysfunctional people who believe in the same claptrap,
and so thoroughly that they 1) don't know it's claptrap,
and 2) actually believe that the world perceives them
as *normal* when they talk about the claptrap. 

*Of course* the sign wasn't official. Duh. It was put
up by someone who wanted to suggest that the death of a
person who was once associated with the TM movement was
somehow more meaningful because it happened at the 
beginning of a made-up holiday created by Maharishi,
and which no one else *but* TMers observe and feel is
in any way meaningful. From my point of view, it was
just another exercise in self-importance, trying to
imbue ordinary events with claptrap to make them seem
more meaningful, sprinkled with a scattering of *We*
see the cosmic importance of him dying on this day --
don't you? elitism. 

 Yes, I know the world I inhabit.

No, I honestly don't think you do. That is why I posted
what I did. You read some claptrap on a bulletin board
that was supposed to make you feel more important and
voila -- you not only feel more important, you pass it
along without a second thought, as if other people should
believe the claptrap as well. It's just what you DO, 
whether the claptrap you're passing along is from TM
sources or from some visiting healer/charlatan. 

What I was trying to do was to present another point of
view on the subject, to see how you and other TBs would
react to it. I was trying to suggest that you live in a 
very sheltered world in which many if not most of the
people around you tend to believe the same things, and
take them for granted. 

Things like marching across campus or across town like
lemmings twice a day, to bounce on your butts while think-
ing about cotton fiber and believing that this makes your
thoughts 10,000 times more powerful than other peoples'
thoughts. Things like doing this affects the weather and
the crime rate and will bring world peace. Things like
entering a building from the wrong direction will fuck
up your whole day. Things like paying indentured slaves
from India to chant or buttbounce for you will change
the world and make it a better place. Things like that.

To you, unless I am mistaken, all of these things seem
completely NORMAL. This is just How The World Is.

I'm trying to present a different point of view, one 
that is more mainstream. It's that these things are 
LOONEY TOONS, bordering on the crazy. 

You believe these things because you've spent decades
being indoctrinated to believe them, without ever giving
them a second thought. I have not. I left the TM world
long before most of this uber-weirdness ever appeared.
So to me it's *always* been weird, and bordering on
the crazy. I'm trying to present that point of view
to see whether you are capable of seeing that it is
*only* a different point of view, and not an attack
of some kind.

I'm *NOT* angry at you or at Maharishi or at any of
the TM True Believers. I'm just *astounded* and *amazed*
that they can believe the things they believe. For me
it's like encountering a group of people who fervently
believe that the Earth is flat, or that the moon is
made of green cheese, and *cannot for the life of them
understand why everyone else doesn't believe this*. 

I push and prod every so often to see how the flat-earthers
and mooncheese-heads react, to see if they've lightened up
enough to step back and see themselves as the rest of the
world sees them, and laugh. So far you never have. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

Just my opinion Barry, but I think you have missed something about how Share 
experiences life. Your attempts to penetrate the Pollyanna facade seem to 
bounce off like bullets on Superman. Maybe it is not entirely a facade.

I did know someone in the movement who projected an über positive outlook 
under all circumstances, but seemed totally oblivious to what was actually 
transpiring in a practical sense. It always seemed like it was a strain for 
this person to keep it up. I do not get the sense that it is a strain for 
Share, or that she is a opaque as you seem to surmise, and perhaps your 
approach is not quite on target.

How come you have not laid into me lately? I am not really saying much 
different than I did when I started on FFL, though I feel I have learned some 
things, attempting to find a way to express what I experience. I found your 
approach to me, which is similar to your approach with others, effective. I do 
think your repertoire could use a bit more variation and flexibility of 
approach. A pastry knife, or even a spatula sometimes is more effective than a 
rapier.

I feel kind of flat today, having been ill for some days. Maybe I will make an 
offering to Wotan. When I feel like I want nothing to happen, there is nothing 
like Old Time Religion to make sure that nothing does.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 Share, since you so obviously don't get what I was doing,
 I'm going to actually try to explain it to you. I know
 in advance that it won't work, but I'll do it anyway.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
 
  It was not an official sign by the TMO. There was no they 
  involved. The sign was put up by an anonymous someone on 
  the bulletin board in the coat room of the women's Dome 
  where other life transitions such as births and weddings 
  and birthdays and anniversaries are announced. That person 
  was expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death 
  occurring on Jan 1, the day when many are beginning the 
  traditional week of silence. 
 
 Share, your nitpick is as STOOOPID as when Judy does it.
 I wasn't referring to the TMO as the TM organization per
 se, as manifested in its administrators, but the TMO as
 the whole group of (from my point of view) highly
 dysfunctional people who believe in the same claptrap,
 and so thoroughly that they 1) don't know it's claptrap,
 and 2) actually believe that the world perceives them
 as *normal* when they talk about the claptrap. 
 
 *Of course* the sign wasn't official. Duh. It was put
 up by someone who wanted to suggest that the death of a
 person who was once associated with the TM movement was
 somehow more meaningful because it happened at the 
 beginning of a made-up holiday created by Maharishi,
 and which no one else *but* TMers observe and feel is
 in any way meaningful. From my point of view, it was
 just another exercise in self-importance, trying to
 imbue ordinary events with claptrap to make them seem
 more meaningful, sprinkled with a scattering of *We*
 see the cosmic importance of him dying on this day --
 don't you? elitism. 
 
  Yes, I know the world I inhabit.
 
 No, I honestly don't think you do. That is why I posted
 what I did. You read some claptrap on a bulletin board
 that was supposed to make you feel more important and
 voila -- you not only feel more important, you pass it
 along without a second thought, as if other people should
 believe the claptrap as well. It's just what you DO, 
 whether the claptrap you're passing along is from TM
 sources or from some visiting healer/charlatan. 
 
 What I was trying to do was to present another point of
 view on the subject, to see how you and other TBs would
 react to it. I was trying to suggest that you live in a 
 very sheltered world in which many if not most of the
 people around you tend to believe the same things, and
 take them for granted. 
 
 Things like marching across campus or across town like
 lemmings twice a day, to bounce on your butts while think-
 ing about cotton fiber and believing that this makes your
 thoughts 10,000 times more powerful than other peoples'
 thoughts. Things like doing this affects the weather and
 the crime rate and will bring world peace. Things like
 entering a building from the wrong direction will fuck
 up your whole day. Things like paying indentured slaves
 from India to chant or buttbounce for you will change
 the world and make it a better place. Things like that.
 
 To you, unless I am mistaken, all of these things seem
 completely NORMAL. This is just How The World Is.
 
 I'm trying to present a different point of view, one 
 that is more mainstream. It's that these things are 
 LOONEY TOONS, bordering on the crazy. 
 
 You believe these things because you've spent decades
 being indoctrinated to believe them, without ever giving
 them a second thought. I have not. I left the TM world
 long before most of this uber-weirdness ever appeared.
 So to me 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Share Long]

Thanks for giving your POV.  To counter your core inaccuracy about me:  I have 
strongly questioned TM, TMO, etc.  In fact, I did just that when I left campus 
10 years ago.  Then there were 7 years when I was not in the Dome at all.  In 
July 2009 there were 2 weeks when I did not do my sidhis because I was at a 
PKYC retreat and they asked me to restrict myself to TM only.  During my 5 
years with Waking Down I was in satsang with ex govs usually once a week and we 
were not talking about SCI.  Though most of them reported continuing TM.  All 
these different behaviors were accompanied by my questioning and being open to 
other systems.
  

So my continuing group TMSP has been a deeply considered choice.  In fact, 
after PKYC in July 2009, there was an actual moment when I had a choice to 
make:  either continue with the PKYC program or with the TMSP.  I chose the 
latter and continue to do so.  Whatever the flaws of the research, I believe 
that doing TMSP in a group helps create world peace.  And I also believe that 
this is my dharma in terms of paying off some heavy duty karmic debts from some 
of my previous lives.  So it has nothing to do with being important.  But 
everything to do with paying off those debts.

As for all the 
people in the TMO I aim to have compassion.  I think some of them are 
also paying off some heavy duty karmic debts.  Compassion seems like the best 
choice, if only for my own good health.  

I also want to say that this choice is not primarily about thoughts or 
emotions.  It is about actions and choosing the daily actions that 
ENERGETICALLY feel right to me for me, even if not always feeling comfy.  Of 
course I realize that my path is not right for everyone.  It might not even be 
right for everyone in the Dome.  That is for them to determine.  Nor is it 
normal for most Americans.  Nonetheless it feels right and normal for me and so 
I will continue to do it until it does not feel so.  And I recognize that I 
might be totally wrong about all this.  I'm willing to take this chance given 
all that I've observed in and out of the TMO.


As for the mental illness topic, I do think that a lot of souls saw that during 
this period of time in human history it would be RELATIVELY easy to grow and 
develop to a good extent.  So though those souls realized they're have some 
challenging karma to deal with, they chose to incarnate at this time, 
neutralize the karma no matter how challenging, and have a good shot at a good 
level of human development.  So lots of people on spiritual paths with lots of 
issues.  Again, wise compassion seems a good 'tude.  And even more so given 
that I agree with the idea that as a person or even society evolves, the deeper 
stuff gets released.  It might not always be a pretty sight.  But in my 
experience, if a person or group hangs in there, at some point the deeper stuff 
get so loosened up, that it's no longer a hindrance to experiencing what has 
always been there.  Not to put up with abuse.  But to tough it out whether the 
situation is in a relationship, a
 career or a spiritual practice.  


Turq, I don't think you and I will ever agree about the TMO.  That's ok.  The 
TMO probably doesn't agree with my doing other stuff and not becoming a gov.  
That's ok too.  I've had my confrontations with TMO leaders in the past.  Some 
karma to work out and again, I aim to have compassion for all of us humans.  
Anyway, it seems I'm working out karma with certain people here on FFL too (-: 

One aspect I enjoy about FFL is that there are so many different lifestyles and 
paths represented here.  That reflects a richness of life that I feel inside 
and out.  And I think several on FFL have seen and appreciate my ability to 
laugh at myself and be a good sport.  Obviously YMMV and does.  

BTW I agree with your point about the enlightened being the same towards 
everyone.  I see this quality in some here on FFL and I'm working on it in 
myself.  Thanks for your help whether intended or not.





 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 3:50 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
 

  
Share, since you so obviously don't get what I was doing,
I'm going to actually try to explain it to you. I know
in advance that it won't work, but I'll do it anyway.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 It was not an official sign by the TMO. There was no they 
 involved. The sign was put up by an anonymous someone on 
 the bulletin board in the coat room of the women's Dome 
 where other life transitions such as births and weddings 
 and birthdays and anniversaries are announced. That person 
 was expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death 
 occurring on Jan 1, the day when many are beginning the 
 traditional week of silence. 

Share, your nitpick is as STOOOPID as when Judy does it.
I wasn't referring to the TMO

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  wrote:

 Just my opinion Barry, but I think you have missed something 
 about how Share experiences life. Your attempts to penetrate 
 the Pollyanna facade seem to bounce off like bullets on 
 Superman. Maybe it is not entirely a facade.

I have never for a moment thought that it was a facade.
With Robin, IMO it's ALL facade; there is no there there. 
With Share, I think the way she comes across on FFL is 
probably pretty much the way she lives her life. It's 
just that I consider that way of life kinda sad. 

 I did know someone in the movement who projected an 
 uber positive outlook under all circumstances, but 
 seemed totally oblivious to what was actually transpiring 
 in a practical sense. It always seemed like it was a 
 strain for this person to keep it up. I do not get the 
 sense that it is a strain for Share, or that she is as 
 opaque as you seem to surmise, and perhaps your approach 
 is not quite on target.

I don't think you understand. I don't have an approach
or even a goal in mind. I am merely stating my opinion
of her, to see whether it is even *possible* for her
to hear something outside the range of the bliss-blinders 
she wears. 

I think of her pretty much like Nabby, only with much, 
much less of the Schutzstaffel vibe. Meaning that I don't
for a moment think that she's faking her blissninniness.
It appears to have been going on so long now that I don't
think she has a ghost of a chance of ever changing it,
even if she wanted to. If I've had a purpose in ever
commenting on her, it's to see if she is even capable
of understanding how she sometimes comes across. 

 How come you have not laid into me lately? 

Are you still on that kick. I don't even *remember*
ever having laid into you. When you first showed up,
I remember you coming across as kinda needy, and 
demanding attention. I probably did to you what I do 
to anyone trying that; I blew you off. 

 I am not really saying much different than I did when I 
 started on FFL, though I feel I have learned some things, 
 attempting to find a way to express what I experience. I 
 found your approach to me, which is similar to your 
 approach with others, effective. I do think your repertoire 
 could use a bit more variation and flexibility of approach. 
 A pastry knife, or even a spatula sometimes is more effective 
 than a rapier.

It is your right to think anything you want. It is my
right to blow *that* off, too. :-)

 I feel kind of flat today, having been ill for some days. 
 Maybe I will make an offering to Wotan. When I feel like 
 I want nothing to happen, there is nothing like Old Time 
 Religion to make sure that nothing does.

Sacrifice an animal or two for me. :-)


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
 
  Share, since you so obviously don't get what I was doing,
  I'm going to actually try to explain it to you. I know
  in advance that it won't work, but I'll do it anyway.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
  
   It was not an official sign by the TMO. There was no they 
   involved. The sign was put up by an anonymous someone on 
   the bulletin board in the coat room of the women's Dome 
   where other life transitions such as births and weddings 
   and birthdays and anniversaries are announced. That person 
   was expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death 
   occurring on Jan 1, the day when many are beginning the 
   traditional week of silence. 
  
  Share, your nitpick is as STOOOPID as when Judy does it.
  I wasn't referring to the TMO as the TM organization per
  se, as manifested in its administrators, but the TMO as
  the whole group of (from my point of view) highly
  dysfunctional people who believe in the same claptrap,
  and so thoroughly that they 1) don't know it's claptrap,
  and 2) actually believe that the world perceives them
  as *normal* when they talk about the claptrap. 
  
  *Of course* the sign wasn't official. Duh. It was put
  up by someone who wanted to suggest that the death of a
  person who was once associated with the TM movement was
  somehow more meaningful because it happened at the 
  beginning of a made-up holiday created by Maharishi,
  and which no one else *but* TMers observe and feel is
  in any way meaningful. From my point of view, it was
  just another exercise in self-importance, trying to
  imbue ordinary events with claptrap to make them seem
  more meaningful, sprinkled with a scattering of *We*
  see the cosmic importance of him dying on this day --
  don't you? elitism. 
  
   Yes, I know the world I inhabit.
  
  No, I honestly don't think you do. That is why I posted
  what I did. You read some claptrap on a bulletin board
  that was supposed to make you feel more important and
  voila -- you not only feel more important, you pass it
  along without a second thought, as if other people should
  believe the claptrap as well. It's just what you DO, 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
 
  Trigunaji 1916- 1 Jan 2013
 
 
 In honor of Trigunaji's passing,

Interesting start to a story that seems to underline the whole
ayurveda story to me. It doesn't work.

 
 Triguna's herbs were bitter. I managed to get the herbs past my taste buds by 
 mixing them with a small shot of tea, bolting it down and then chasing it 
 with a big cup of tea.  Never drink anything is India that isn't boiled. 
 Anyway, the herbs didn't seem to work and I ended up taking Western medicine, 
 which knocked out the bug in my bad bowel. 

Taking western medicine Raunchy, very shrewd. I've always thought that
experimenting with auyrveda (and all alternative health scams) was fine *as 
long as there is nothing wrong with you* I know people that would still be 
alive if they hadn't swallowed, hook line and stinker, the whole perfect 
science of health bit that Marshy via Triguna was plugging.

In fact I know someone who is very seriously ill because he eschewed
anti-biotics in favour of stone age hopefulness. Upon becoming ill he
took himself off to Marshy's favourite ayurveda clinic where, after a
predictably large fortune had been spent -and a cure not forthcoming- he was 
told there must be some doubt in you. Good medicine!

Still, there's always the yagya programme to fall back on. Throwing
good money after bad IMO but when you truly believe this stuff what
else can you do? The TMO abandoned common sense a long time ago, leave
it in the hands of the gods! Might as well as spend any more money
on ayurveda . My friend will probably die a long slow miserable death and 
everyone will rationalise it in the usual way and blame it on his planets or 
rakshasas or something similarly untestable. 

Sometimes I think a crime is being committed but maybe it's just 
the crime of stupidity. After all we are intelligent people who
are free to make choices based on evidence or beliefs. Seems a shame that an 
org like the TMO with its proclaimed belief in science has such a shaky 
superstitious core lying just beneath the surface, they
might be in a position to help people by recommending they go to
a proper doctor instead of clinging to the dream that they have all
the answers by taking your pulse and telling you to stare at the
moon.

So why all the reverence? Would you really want to live in a world
where ayurveda was the only method of healthcare? Anyone?
 

 Jai Guru Dev, Trigunaji, rest in peace.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Xeno again

[Share Long]

Yep, Xeno there's something about my life that I find very hard to convey, even 
in that long response to turq this morning.  Often your writing comes closest 
to expressing what I experience.  Funnily enough, Michael Jackson does too when 
he talks about energy.  Because my daily life is very much about pursuing a 
course of action that energetically feels right if not always comfy.  I'm often 
in a flow of no thoughts no emotions.  Or if there are thoughts and emotions, 
it's the old lines on air situation.    


But I still have to laugh when you all call me Pollyanna, etc.  Because 
probably the TMO sees me as a rebel a renegade a curmudgeon.  I never became a 
teacher.  I pursue other paths for emotional healing.  Though I do believe TM 
is essential for emotional growth I don't think it is sufficient for emotional 
healing, especially of traumatic childhood stuff.


Sometimes I think flatness or boredom is the worst of all.  Good luck with 
that.  And I'd say don't mind turq on attention except that I know that you 
won't.  Meanwhile, say hi to Wotan for me.  


PS  I still intend to answer all your posts.   This year (-:



 From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 9:40 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
 

  


Just my opinion Barry, but I think you have missed something about how Share 
experiences life. Your attempts to penetrate the Pollyanna facade seem to 
bounce off like bullets on Superman. Maybe it is not entirely a facade.

I did know someone in the movement who projected an über positive outlook 
under all circumstances, but seemed totally oblivious to what was actually 
transpiring in a practical sense. It always seemed like it was a strain for 
this person to keep it up. I do not get the sense that it is a strain for 
Share, or that she is a opaque as you seem to surmise, and perhaps your 
approach is not quite on target.

How come you have not laid into me lately? I am not really saying much 
different than I did when I started on FFL, though I feel I have learned some 
things, attempting to find a way to express what I experience. I found your 
approach to me, which is similar to your approach with others, effective. I do 
think your repertoire could use a bit more variation and flexibility of 
approach. A pastry knife, or even a spatula sometimes is more effective than a 
rapier.

I feel kind of flat today, having been ill for some days. Maybe I will make an 
offering to Wotan. When I feel like I want nothing to happen, there is nothing 
like Old Time Religion to make sure that nothing does.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 Share, since you so obviously don't get what I was doing,
 I'm going to actually try to explain it to you. I know
 in advance that it won't work, but I'll do it anyway.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
 
  It was not an official sign by the TMO. There was no they 
  involved. The sign was put up by an anonymous someone on 
  the bulletin board in the coat room of the women's Dome 
  where other life transitions such as births and weddings 
  and birthdays and anniversaries are announced. That person 
  was expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death 
  occurring on Jan 1, the day when many are beginning the 
  traditional week of silence. 
 
 Share, your nitpick is as STOOOPID as when Judy does it.
 I wasn't referring to the TMO as the TM organization per
 se, as manifested in its administrators, but the TMO as
 the whole group of (from my point of view) highly
 dysfunctional people who believe in the same claptrap,
 and so thoroughly that they 1) don't know it's claptrap,
 and 2) actually believe that the world perceives them
 as *normal* when they talk about the claptrap. 
 
 *Of course* the sign wasn't official. Duh. It was put
 up by someone who wanted to suggest that the death of a
 person who was once associated with the TM movement was
 somehow more meaningful because it happened at the 
 beginning of a made-up holiday created by Maharishi,
 and which no one else *but* TMers observe and feel is
 in any way meaningful. From my point of view, it was
 just another exercise in self-importance, trying to
 imbue ordinary events with claptrap to make them seem
 more meaningful, sprinkled with a scattering of *We*
 see the cosmic importance of him dying on this day --
 don't you? elitism. 
 
  Yes, I know the world I inhabit.
 
 No, I honestly don't think you do. That is why I posted
 what I did. You read some claptrap on a bulletin board
 that was supposed to make you feel more important and
 voila -- you not only feel more important, you pass it
 along without a second thought, as if other people should
 believe the claptrap as well. It's just what you DO, 
 whether the claptrap you're passing along is from TM
 sources or from some visiting healer/charlatan. 
 
 What I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  wrote:

 Just my opinion Barry...

Regarding blissyness. I heard Adyashanti speaking about a friend who was with 
him in a monastery course (at least that is what I remember). This fellow would 
come before the master and effuse blissfulness. 'It is just so blissful all the 
time, it is so amazing how wonderful I feel all the time.' This went on every 
time he came before the master. Finally the master just tore into him and told 
him if he did not shape up and get serious, he would be asked to leave the 
monastery. That worked and eventually the guy had more profound experiences.

Perhaps this blissfulness Share has is a stage, and it will pass at some point. 
Because she is not beholden to you for instruction, your words to dispel the 
state probably will not have the force of someone who is looking to a specific 
person for guidance.

Eventually though one has to take guidance into one's own hands, eventually 
every teacher becomes useless, unless you are using them as a tool to deal with 
a specific issue that you are opaque to in some way, in which case you get to 
pick and choose the battle ground. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Ann]

 a hindrance to 
 experiencing what has always been there.  Not to put up with abuse.  But to 
 tough it out whether the situation is in a relationship, a
  career or a spiritual practice.  
 
 
 Turq, I don't think you and I will ever agree about the TMO.  That's ok.  
 The TMO probably doesn't agree with my doing other stuff and not becoming a 
 gov.  That's ok too.  I've had my confrontations with TMO leaders in the 
 past.  Some karma to work out and again, I aim to have compassion for all of 
 us humans.  Anyway, it seems I'm working out karma with certain people here 
 on FFL too (-: 
 
 One aspect I enjoy about FFL is that there are so many different lifestyles 
 and paths represented here.  That reflects a richness of life that I feel 
 inside and out.  And I think several on FFL have seen and appreciate my 
 ability to laugh at myself and be a good sport.  Obviously YMMV and does.  
 
 BTW I agree with your point about the enlightened being the same towards 
 everyone.  I see this quality in some here on FFL and I'm working on it in 
 myself.  Thanks for your help whether intended or not.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: turquoiseb 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 3:50 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
  
 
   
 Share, since you so obviously don't get what I was doing,
 I'm going to actually try to explain it to you. I know
 in advance that it won't work, but I'll do it anyway.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
 
  It was not an official sign by the TMO. There was no they 
  involved. The sign was put up by an anonymous someone on 
  the bulletin board in the coat room of the women's Dome 
  where other life transitions such as births and weddings 
  and birthdays and anniversaries are announced. That person 
  was expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death 
  occurring on Jan 1, the day when many are beginning the 
  traditional week of silence. 
 
 Share, your nitpick is as STOOOPID as when Judy does it.
 I wasn't referring to the TMO as the TM organization per
 se, as manifested in its administrators, but the TMO as
 the whole group of (from my point of view) highly
 dysfunctional people who believe in the same claptrap,
 and so thoroughly that they 1) don't know it's claptrap,
 and 2) actually believe that the world perceives them
 as *normal* when they talk about the claptrap. 
 
 *Of course* the sign wasn't official. Duh. It was put
 up by someone who wanted to suggest that the death of a
 person who was once associated with the TM movement was
 somehow more meaningful because it happened at the 
 beginning of a made-up holiday created by Maharishi,
 and which no one else *but* TMers observe and feel is
 in any way meaningful. From my point of view, it was
 just another exercise in self-importance, trying to
 imbue ordinary events with claptrap to make them seem
 more meaningful, sprinkled with a scattering of *We*
 see the cosmic importance of him dying on this day --
 don't you? elitism. 
 
  Yes, I know the world I inhabit.
 
 No, I honestly don't think you do. That is why I posted
 what I did. You read some claptrap on a bulletin board
 that was supposed to make you feel more important and
 voila -- you not only feel more important, you pass it
 along without a second thought, as if other people should
 believe the claptrap as well. It's just what you DO, 
 whether the claptrap you're passing along is from TM
 sources or from some visiting healer/charlatan. 
 
 What I was trying to do was to present another point of
 view on the subject, to see how you and other TBs would
 react to it. I was trying to suggest that you live in a 
 very sheltered world in which many if not most of the
 people around you tend to believe the same things, and
 take them for granted. 
 
 Things like marching across campus or across town like
 lemmings twice a day, to bounce on your butts while think-
 ing about cotton fiber and believing that this makes your
 thoughts 10,000 times more powerful than other peoples'
 thoughts. Things like doing this affects the weather and
 the crime rate and will bring world peace. Things like
 entering a building from the wrong direction will fuck
 up your whole day. Things like paying indentured slaves
 from India to chant or buttbounce for you will change
 the world and make it a better place. Things like that.
 
 To you, unless I am mistaken, all of these things seem
 completely NORMAL. This is just How The World Is.
 
 I'm trying to present a different point of view, one 
 that is more mainstream. It's that these things are 
 LOONEY TOONS, bordering on the crazy. 
 
 You believe these things because you've spent decades
 being indoctrinated to believe them, without ever giving
 them a second thought. I have not. I left the TM world
 long before most of this uber-weirdness ever appeared.
 So to me it's *always* been weird, and bordering on
 the crazy. I'm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
  
   Trigunaji 1916- 1 Jan 2013
  
  
  In honor of Trigunaji's passing,
 
 Interesting start to a story that seems to underline the whole
 ayurveda story to me. It doesn't work.
 
  

I think it depends on the nature of the ailment. I keep my options open, 
preferring natural remedies, proper rest, exercise and diet to the side-effects 
of allopathic medicine. I'm healthy but wouldn't refuse Western medicine for a 
life threatening disease.

  Triguna's herbs were bitter. I managed to get the herbs past my taste buds 
  by mixing them with a small shot of tea, bolting it down and then chasing 
  it with a big cup of tea.  Never drink anything is India that isn't boiled. 
  Anyway, the herbs didn't seem to work and I ended up taking Western 
  medicine, which knocked out the bug in my bad bowel. 
 
 Taking western medicine Raunchy, very shrewd. I've always thought that
 experimenting with auyrveda (and all alternative health scams) was fine *as 
 long as there is nothing wrong with you* I know people that would still be 
 alive if they hadn't swallowed, hook line and stinker, the whole perfect 
 science of health bit that Marshy via Triguna was plugging.
 
 In fact I know someone who is very seriously ill because he eschewed
 anti-biotics in favour of stone age hopefulness. Upon becoming ill he
 took himself off to Marshy's favourite ayurveda clinic where, after a
 predictably large fortune had been spent -and a cure not forthcoming- he was 
 told there must be some doubt in you. Good medicine!
 
 Still, there's always the yagya programme to fall back on. Throwing
 good money after bad IMO but when you truly believe this stuff what
 else can you do? The TMO abandoned common sense a long time ago, leave
 it in the hands of the gods! Might as well as spend any more money
 on ayurveda . My friend will probably die a long slow miserable death and 
 everyone will rationalise it in the usual way and blame it on his planets 
 or rakshasas or something similarly untestable. 
 
 Sometimes I think a crime is being committed but maybe it's just 
 the crime of stupidity. After all we are intelligent people who
 are free to make choices based on evidence or beliefs. Seems a shame that an 
 org like the TMO with its proclaimed belief in science has such a shaky 
 superstitious core lying just beneath the surface, they
 might be in a position to help people by recommending they go to
 a proper doctor instead of clinging to the dream that they have all
 the answers by taking your pulse and telling you to stare at the
 moon.
 
 So why all the reverence? Would you really want to live in a world
 where ayurveda was the only method of healthcare? Anyone?
  

I always respected Maharishi's high regard for Triguna. I'm happy to honor his 
memory with this story. Fortunately we don't live in a world where ayurveda is 
the only method of healthcare. Note, the physician attending the Indian Express 
infirmary was a Western M.D. and I got western medicine from him for bad 
bowel. I think it's just a matter of using one's common sense and being 
flexible enough to know when to fish or cut bait.   

 
  Jai Guru Dev, Trigunaji, rest in peace.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[Bhairitu]

On 01/03/2013 08:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog  wrote:


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
 Trigunaji 1916- 1 Jan 2013

 In honor of Trigunaji's passing,
 Interesting start to a story that seems to underline the whole
 ayurveda story to me. It doesn't work.

   
 Triguna's herbs were bitter. I managed to get the herbs past my taste buds 
 by mixing them with a small shot of tea, bolting it down and then chasing it 
 with a big cup of tea.  Never drink anything is India that isn't boiled. 
 Anyway, the herbs didn't seem to work and I ended up taking Western 
 medicine, which knocked out the bug in my bad bowel.
 Taking western medicine Raunchy, very shrewd. I've always thought that
 experimenting with auyrveda (and all alternative health scams) was fine *as 
 long as there is nothing wrong with you* I know people that would still be 
 alive if they hadn't swallowed, hook line and stinker, the whole perfect 
 science of health bit that Marshy via Triguna was plugging.

 In fact I know someone who is very seriously ill because he eschewed
 anti-biotics in favour of stone age hopefulness. Upon becoming ill he
 took himself off to Marshy's favourite ayurveda clinic where, after a
 predictably large fortune had been spent -and a cure not forthcoming- he was 
 told there must be some doubt in you. Good medicine!

 Still, there's always the yagya programme to fall back on. Throwing
 good money after bad IMO but when you truly believe this stuff what
 else can you do? The TMO abandoned common sense a long time ago, leave
 it in the hands of the gods! Might as well as spend any more money
 on ayurveda . My friend will probably die a long slow miserable death and 
 everyone will rationalise it in the usual way and blame it on his planets 
 or rakshasas or something similarly untestable.

 Sometimes I think a crime is being committed but maybe it's just
 the crime of stupidity. After all we are intelligent people who
 are free to make choices based on evidence or beliefs. Seems a shame that an 
 org like the TMO with its proclaimed belief in science has such a shaky 
 superstitious core lying just beneath the surface, they
 might be in a position to help people by recommending they go to
 a proper doctor instead of clinging to the dream that they have all
 the answers by taking your pulse and telling you to stare at the
 moon.

 So why all the reverence? Would you really want to live in a world
 where ayurveda was the only method of healthcare? Anyone?
   

 Jai Guru Dev, Trigunaji, rest in peace.

Having studied ayurveda and even done an ayurvedic tour of India, I beg 
to differ.  Maybe the difference is that I had an MD as an ayurvedic 
doctor.  In fact I got his name from MAPI when I called to get a list of 
ayurvedic doctors in the SF Bay Area.  However this MD had not only 
taken the MA doctor's course but Dr. Lad's as well.   I also took some 
weekend workshops with a number of ayurvedic practitioners including Dr. 
Robert Svoboda.

There are a lot of cures and treatments in allopathic disease 
maintenance that parallel ayurveda or probably even owe their roots to 
it and Chinese medicine.  This time of year we would usually take some 
off the shelf cough and cold measures that have their roots in such 
medicine.  The now defamed ephedrine is of course a synthetic derivation 
of the herb ephedra which is used in Chinese medicine and ayurveda was 
the principle decongestant in these.  It's defamed only because meth 
cookers would buy it in bulk to make meth.  Now, if you want it you have 
to register your purchase.  Of course, ephedra grows all over the US as 
a weed.

However due to ayurveda, unless I screw up somehow, I don't have to 
reach for such a concoction.  If I start to experience even the 
slightest sing of cold, cough or flu and little homemade kapha tea ( 1 
part ginger, 1 part cinnamon, dash clove) will make it do a quick exit.  
Adding a little black pepper will speed it up too.  Recipe courtesy of 
Dr. Lad who has a lot of kitchen cures like that.

Don't forget that medicine for profit Big Pharma patented the herb 
neem.  Something outraged folks in India so they put together an 
organization to patent all their herbs to keep corporations from doing 
so.  I suspect big pharma would disagree with you about whether ayurveda 
really works.

Allopathic doctors are good for broken bones or other emergency 
measures.  Most have little training in nutrition.  Most are merely drug 
pushers for big pharma who isn't interested in curing a disease because 
there's too much money in just maintenancing it.  I think of all the 
billions raised over the years for those cure telethons and none of 
those diseases are anywhere near cured.  Big pharma thanks all the marks 
for that money.  By all rights a lot of those diseases should be history 
by now.  A lot of them are curable with alternative medicine.

And ayurveda isn't the only alternative form 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Bhairitu

[Share Long]

Recently the 2 main health clinics at the Jeff Co Health Center (hospital) have 
hired doctors who are also familiar with alternative healthcare.  Both happen 
to be women.  I also like allopathic for diagnosis but then go to alternative 
for treatment if possible.  Unless there's infection and as you say, broken 
bones.  With my parents who both take lots of Western meds each with side 
effects, I see what a slippery and dangerous slope that is.  When my Dad 
contracted the killer bacteria, the docs had to take all his other meds into 
account as they chose which antibiotic to use.  Meanwhile precious time was 
passing as it was a bacteria that's been known to kill in 48 hours.    

Back to Triguna, the only thing he said to me was no fried foods.  Of course I 
did not listen!  Those avocado oil potato chips (-:   


I actually prefer Chinese herbs to ayurvedic ones.  But what I really prefer  
is getting healthy via the foods I eat.  I'll check out the metabolic typing 
website.  Thanks too for mentioning the book. 



 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes
 

  
On 01/03/2013 08:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog  wrote:


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
 Trigunaji 1916- 1 Jan 2013

 In honor of Trigunaji's passing,
 Interesting start to a story that seems to underline the whole
 ayurveda story to me. It doesn't work.

 
 Triguna's herbs were bitter. I managed to get the herbs past my taste buds 
 by mixing them with a small shot of tea, bolting it down and then chasing it 
 with a big cup of tea.  Never drink anything is India that isn't boiled. 
 Anyway, the herbs didn't seem to work and I ended up taking Western 
 medicine, which knocked out the bug in my bad bowel.
 Taking western medicine Raunchy, very shrewd. I've always thought that
 experimenting with auyrveda (and all alternative health scams) was fine *as 
 long as there is nothing wrong with you* I know people that would still be 
 alive if they hadn't swallowed, hook line and stinker, the whole perfect 
 science of health bit that Marshy via Triguna was plugging.

 In fact I know someone who is very seriously ill because he eschewed
 anti-biotics in favour of stone age hopefulness. Upon becoming ill he
 took himself off to Marshy's favourite ayurveda clinic where, after a
 predictably large fortune had been spent -and a cure not forthcoming- he was 
 told there must be some doubt in you. Good medicine!

 Still, there's always the yagya programme to fall back on. Throwing
 good money after bad IMO but when you truly believe this stuff what
 else can you do? The TMO abandoned common sense a long time ago, leave
 it in the hands of the gods! Might as well as spend any more money
 on ayurveda . My friend will probably die a long slow miserable death and 
 everyone will rationalise it in the usual way and blame it on his planets 
 or rakshasas or something similarly untestable.

 Sometimes I think a crime is being committed but maybe it's just
 the crime of stupidity. After all we are intelligent people who
 are free to make choices based on evidence or beliefs. Seems a shame that an 
 org like the TMO with its proclaimed belief in science has such a shaky 
 superstitious core lying just beneath the surface, they
 might be in a position to help people by recommending they go to
 a proper doctor instead of clinging to the dream that they have all
 the answers by taking your pulse and telling you to stare at the
 moon.

 So why all the reverence? Would you really want to live in a world
 where ayurveda was the only method of healthcare? Anyone?
 

 Jai Guru Dev, Trigunaji, rest in peace.

Having studied ayurveda and even done an ayurvedic tour of India, I beg 
to differ.  Maybe the difference is that I had an MD as an ayurvedic 
doctor.  In fact I got his name from MAPI when I called to get a list of 
ayurvedic doctors in the SF Bay Area.  However this MD had not only 
taken the MA doctor's course but Dr. Lad's as well.   I also took some 
weekend workshops with a number of ayurvedic practitioners including Dr. 
Robert Svoboda.

There are a lot of cures and treatments in allopathic disease 
maintenance that parallel ayurveda or probably even owe their roots to 
it and Chinese medicine.  This time of year we would usually take some 
off the shelf cough and cold measures that have their roots in such 
medicine.  The now defamed ephedrine is of course a synthetic derivation 
of the herb ephedra which is used in Chinese medicine and ayurveda was 
the principle decongestant in these.  It's defamed only because meth 
cookers would buy it in bulk to make meth.  Now, if you want it you have 
to register your purchase.  Of course, ephedra grows all over the US as 
a weed.

However due to ayurveda, unless I screw up somehow, I don't have

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog  wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
   
Trigunaji 1916- 1 Jan 2013
   
   
   In honor of Trigunaji's passing,
  
  Interesting start to a story that seems to underline the whole
  ayurveda story to me. It doesn't work.
  
   
 
 I think it depends on the nature of the ailment. I keep my options open, 
 preferring natural remedies, proper rest, exercise and diet to the 
 side-effects of allopathic medicine. I'm healthy but wouldn't refuse Western 
 medicine for a life threatening disease.
 
   Triguna's herbs were bitter. I managed to get the herbs past my taste 
   buds by mixing them with a small shot of tea, bolting it down and then 
   chasing it with a big cup of tea.  Never drink anything is India that 
   isn't boiled. Anyway, the herbs didn't seem to work and I ended up taking 
   Western medicine, which knocked out the bug in my bad bowel. 
  
  Taking western medicine Raunchy, very shrewd. I've always thought that
  experimenting with auyrveda (and all alternative health scams) was fine *as 
  long as there is nothing wrong with you* I know people that would still be 
  alive if they hadn't swallowed, hook line and stinker, the whole perfect 
  science of health bit that Marshy via Triguna was plugging.
  
  In fact I know someone who is very seriously ill because he eschewed
  anti-biotics in favour of stone age hopefulness. Upon becoming ill he
  took himself off to Marshy's favourite ayurveda clinic where, after a
  predictably large fortune had been spent -and a cure not forthcoming- he 
  was told there must be some doubt in you. Good medicine!
  
  Still, there's always the yagya programme to fall back on. Throwing
  good money after bad IMO but when you truly believe this stuff what
  else can you do? The TMO abandoned common sense a long time ago, leave
  it in the hands of the gods! Might as well as spend any more money
  on ayurveda . My friend will probably die a long slow miserable death and 
  everyone will rationalise it in the usual way and blame it on his planets 
  or rakshasas or something similarly untestable. 
  
  Sometimes I think a crime is being committed but maybe it's just 
  the crime of stupidity. After all we are intelligent people who
  are free to make choices based on evidence or beliefs. Seems a shame that 
  an org like the TMO with its proclaimed belief in science has such a shaky 
  superstitious core lying just beneath the surface, they
  might be in a position to help people by recommending they go to
  a proper doctor instead of clinging to the dream that they have all
  the answers by taking your pulse and telling you to stare at the
  moon.
  
  So why all the reverence? Would you really want to live in a world
  where ayurveda was the only method of healthcare? Anyone?
   
 
 I always respected Maharishi's high regard for Triguna. I'm happy to honor 
 his memory with this story. Fortunately we don't live in a world where 
 ayurveda is the only method of healthcare. Note, the physician attending the 
 Indian Express infirmary was a Western M.D. and I got western medicine from 
 him for bad bowel. I think it's just a matter of using one's common sense 
 and being flexible enough to know when to fish or cut bait.   

Well, each to their own as I say. But the TMO doesn't really
teach people to be flexible, though I think *most* are clever enough
to know when to call it a day an awful lot aren't, and take the 
declarations of perfect health as the Truth they are claiming to be.
I've tried a lot of AV preps for various things and have been distinctly 
underwhelmed by all of it, I scratch my head to think of
any actual successes I may have heard of but it's all of the preve-
ntion is better than cure type, which doesn't prove anything unless
the people never get ill and my friends did!

Pampering for the worried well is what they call alternative
medicine over here. When you aren't well is when to drop it.



   Jai Guru Dev, Trigunaji, rest in peace.
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:

 On 01/03/2013 08:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog  wrote:
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
  Trigunaji 1916- 1 Jan 2013
 
  In honor of Trigunaji's passing,
  Interesting start to a story that seems to underline the whole
  ayurveda story to me. It doesn't work.
 

  Triguna's herbs were bitter. I managed to get the herbs past my taste buds 
  by mixing them with a small shot of tea, bolting it down and then chasing 
  it with a big cup of tea.  Never drink anything is India that isn't 
  boiled. Anyway, the herbs didn't seem to work and I ended up taking 
  Western medicine, which knocked out the bug in my bad bowel.
  Taking western medicine Raunchy, very shrewd. I've always thought that
  experimenting with auyrveda (and all alternative health scams) was fine *as 
  long as there is nothing wrong with you* I know people that would still be 
  alive if they hadn't swallowed, hook line and stinker, the whole perfect 
  science of health bit that Marshy via Triguna was plugging.
 
  In fact I know someone who is very seriously ill because he eschewed
  anti-biotics in favour of stone age hopefulness. Upon becoming ill he
  took himself off to Marshy's favourite ayurveda clinic where, after a
  predictably large fortune had been spent -and a cure not forthcoming- he 
  was told there must be some doubt in you. Good medicine!
 
  Still, there's always the yagya programme to fall back on. Throwing
  good money after bad IMO but when you truly believe this stuff what
  else can you do? The TMO abandoned common sense a long time ago, leave
  it in the hands of the gods! Might as well as spend any more money
  on ayurveda . My friend will probably die a long slow miserable death and 
  everyone will rationalise it in the usual way and blame it on his planets 
  or rakshasas or something similarly untestable.
 
  Sometimes I think a crime is being committed but maybe it's just
  the crime of stupidity. After all we are intelligent people who
  are free to make choices based on evidence or beliefs. Seems a shame that 
  an org like the TMO with its proclaimed belief in science has such a shaky 
  superstitious core lying just beneath the surface, they
  might be in a position to help people by recommending they go to
  a proper doctor instead of clinging to the dream that they have all
  the answers by taking your pulse and telling you to stare at the
  moon.
 
  So why all the reverence? Would you really want to live in a world
  where ayurveda was the only method of healthcare? Anyone?

 
  Jai Guru Dev, Trigunaji, rest in peace.
 
 Having studied ayurveda and even done an ayurvedic tour of India, I beg 
 to differ.  Maybe the difference is that I had an MD as an ayurvedic 
 doctor.  In fact I got his name from MAPI when I called to get a list of 
 ayurvedic doctors in the SF Bay Area.  However this MD had not only 
 taken the MA doctor's course but Dr. Lad's as well.   I also took some 
 weekend workshops with a number of ayurvedic practitioners including Dr. 
 Robert Svoboda.
 
 There are a lot of cures and treatments in allopathic disease 
 maintenance that parallel ayurveda or probably even owe their roots to 
 it and Chinese medicine.  This time of year we would usually take some 
 off the shelf cough and cold measures that have their roots in such 
 medicine.  The now defamed ephedrine is of course a synthetic derivation 
 of the herb ephedra which is used in Chinese medicine and ayurveda was 
 the principle decongestant in these.  It's defamed only because meth 
 cookers would buy it in bulk to make meth.  Now, if you want it you have 
 to register your purchase.  Of course, ephedra grows all over the US as 
 a weed.
 
 However due to ayurveda, unless I screw up somehow, I don't have to 
 reach for such a concoction.  If I start to experience even the 
 slightest sing of cold, cough or flu and little homemade kapha tea ( 1 
 part ginger, 1 part cinnamon, dash clove) will make it do a quick exit.  
 Adding a little black pepper will speed it up too.  Recipe courtesy of 
 Dr. Lad who has a lot of kitchen cures like that.
 
 Don't forget that medicine for profit Big Pharma patented the herb 
 neem.  Something outraged folks in India so they put together an 
 organization to patent all their herbs to keep corporations from doing 
 so.  I suspect big pharma would disagree with you about whether ayurveda 
 really works.
 
 Allopathic doctors are good for broken bones or other emergency 
 measures.  Most have little training in nutrition.  Most are merely drug 
 pushers for big pharma who isn't interested in curing a disease because 
 there's too much money in just maintenancing it.  I think of all the 
 billions raised over the years for those cure telethons and none of 
 those diseases are anywhere near cured.  Big pharma thanks all the marks 
 for that money.  By all rights 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Xeno multiple

[Share Long]

Xeno, I can still only chuckle when you all call me blissy.  Proof that it's 
all relative.  If you could see some of the people in FF who smile all the 
time, you'd realize what a curmudgeon I am.  Relatively speaking (-:


Another post:  for me silence and activity are already fused.  And since we are 
all connected I don't think anyone really goes it alone at any time.

A man who bakes bread!  


I like Dante's primal love.

You contradicted yourself in the post wherein you discuss the word auspicious.  
You say it doesn't matter that we call the day of Triguna's death auspicious; 
he's still dead.  But in other posts you say that it doesn't matter what the 
circumstances are; it is our perception that matters.  Seems like a 
contradiction to me.  


Interesting study post:  As for the search running out of gas, I like how Adya 
describes it.  That even when we pull the plug on the fan, it still keeps 
turning for a little bit.

HOE post:  Thanks for explaining about mechanical path.  And I agree that 
enlightenment is not just intellectual understanding.




 From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 10:59 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  wrote:

 Just my opinion Barry...

Regarding blissyness. I heard Adyashanti speaking about a friend who was with 
him in a monastery course (at least that is what I remember). This fellow would 
come before the master and effuse blissfulness. 'It is just so blissful all the 
time, it is so amazing how wonderful I feel all the time.' This went on every 
time he came before the master. Finally the master just tore into him and told 
him if he did not shape up and get serious, he would be asked to leave the 
monastery. That worked and eventually the guy had more profound experiences.

Perhaps this blissfulness Share has is a stage, and it will pass at some point. 
Because she is not beholden to you for instruction, your words to dispel the 
state probably will not have the force of someone who is looking to a specific 
person for guidance.

Eventually though one has to take guidance into one's own hands, eventually 
every teacher becomes useless, unless you are using them as a tool to deal with 
a specific issue that you are opaque to in some way, in which case you get to 
pick and choose the battle ground. 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 Pampering for the worried well is what they call alternative
 medicine over here. When you aren't well is when to drop it.

Excellent. My forays into science writing and having
to delve into the verifiable scientific support for 
different treatment options (and all too often the utter 
lack thereof) have left me with even a worse opinion of 
alternative medicine than of traditional medicine. 

This buzzphrase kinda nails the mindset of those who
(in my opinion, of course) pay the big bucks to quacks
primarily because they pay attention to *them*. 

Another great buzzphrase I've heard lately from the UK
was the description used in the press for some of the
WAY upper-class baby birthing clinics in the UK catering
to the uber-rich and specializing in pumping them so full
of drugs that they are barely conscious of the actual 
birth -- Too posh to push. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  wrote:

 Regarding blissyness. I heard Adyashanti speaking about a friend who
was with him in a monastery course (at least that is what I remember).
This fellow would come before the master and effuse blissfulness. 'It is
just so blissful all the time, it is so amazing how wonderful I feel all
the time.' This went on every time he came before the master. Finally
the master just tore into him and told him if he did not shape up and
get serious, he would be asked to leave the monastery.

Good call. These people look pretty blissy, too. Scroll down to see who
they are...

  [http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/6/1/8/128618.jpg?v=1]

Just yer everyday happy hippie family...the Manson family.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:
 
  Pampering for the worried well is what they call alternative
  medicine over here. When you aren't well is when to drop it.
 
 Excellent. My forays into science writing and having
 to delve into the verifiable scientific support for 
 different treatment options (and all too often the utter 
 lack thereof) have left me with even a worse opinion of 
 alternative medicine than of traditional medicine. 
 
 This buzzphrase kinda nails the mindset of those who
 (in my opinion, of course) pay the big bucks to quacks
 primarily because they pay attention to *them*. 
 
 Another great buzzphrase I've heard lately from the UK
 was the description used in the press for some of the
 WAY upper-class baby birthing clinics in the UK catering
 to the uber-rich and specializing in pumping them so full
 of drugs that they are barely conscious of the actual 
 birth -- Too posh to push.


Ah, those Yummy mummies are always in the news!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Bhairitu

[Bhairitu]

On 01/03/2013 10:19 AM, Share Long wrote:
 Recently the 2 main health clinics at the Jeff Co Health Center (hospital) 
 have hired doctors who are also familiar with alternative healthcare.  Both 
 happen to be women.  I also like allopathic for diagnosis but then go to 
 alternative for treatment if possible.  Unless there's infection and as you 
 say, broken bones.  With my parents who both take lots of Western meds each 
 with side effects, I see what a slippery and dangerous slope that is.  When 
 my Dad contracted the killer bacteria, the docs had to take all his other 
 meds into account as they chose which antibiotic to use.  Meanwhile precious 
 time was passing as it was a bacteria that's been known to kill in 48 hours.

 Back to Triguna, the only thing he said to me was no fried foods.  Of course 
 I did not listen!  Those avocado oil potato chips (-:


 I actually prefer Chinese herbs to ayurvedic ones.  But what I really prefer  
 is getting healthy via the foods I eat.  I'll check out the metabolic typing 
 website.  Thanks too for mentioning the book.

Kristal's web site:
http://www.bloodph.com/

Much of this has to do with the pH of the blood.  Something that is a 
little difficult to test personally.  It is reflected in CO2 levels on 
regular blood panels.  I'm going to look into the use of oximeters for 
this since they can be purchased for under $50.  Blood pH only varies a 
little but that little variance can cause an imbalance.   The imbalances 
in metabolic typing reflect similar imbalances in ayurveda.  Which makes 
sense because most all of this is just biochemistry, a field which many 
MD's (according to a friend who attended medical college) have 
difficulty with.

Kristal mentions the work of Dr. George Watson who came up with the slow 
and fast oxidizer prognosis and tests for it.  Watson had a smell test 
kit which I purchased back in the 80s (for less than $20) to determine 
how someone was functioning.  I usually came up as a slightly slow 
oxidizer.  I had already been through the metabolic typing program of 
Dr. Kelly's which Bill Wolcott (a former TM teacher) now runs and has 
published a book about.  Kristal also mentions Bill's work in the field.

Thing is a lot of alternative practitioners pay far more attention to 
current medical research than MDs.  Much of naturopathic medicine keeps 
abreast  of such developments.  We also have a lot of current research 
validating much of what alternative practices such as ayurveda and 
Chinese medicine have advocated for ages.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[Bhairitu]

On 01/03/2013 10:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
 On 01/03/2013 08:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
 Trigunaji 1916- 1 Jan 2013

 In honor of Trigunaji's passing,
 Interesting start to a story that seems to underline the whole
 ayurveda story to me. It doesn't work.


 Triguna's herbs were bitter. I managed to get the herbs past my taste buds 
 by mixing them with a small shot of tea, bolting it down and then chasing 
 it with a big cup of tea.  Never drink anything is India that isn't 
 boiled. Anyway, the herbs didn't seem to work and I ended up taking 
 Western medicine, which knocked out the bug in my bad bowel.
 Taking western medicine Raunchy, very shrewd. I've always thought that
 experimenting with auyrveda (and all alternative health scams) was fine *as 
 long as there is nothing wrong with you* I know people that would still be 
 alive if they hadn't swallowed, hook line and stinker, the whole perfect 
 science of health bit that Marshy via Triguna was plugging.

 In fact I know someone who is very seriously ill because he eschewed
 anti-biotics in favour of stone age hopefulness. Upon becoming ill he
 took himself off to Marshy's favourite ayurveda clinic where, after a
 predictably large fortune had been spent -and a cure not forthcoming- he 
 was told there must be some doubt in you. Good medicine!

 Still, there's always the yagya programme to fall back on. Throwing
 good money after bad IMO but when you truly believe this stuff what
 else can you do? The TMO abandoned common sense a long time ago, leave
 it in the hands of the gods! Might as well as spend any more money
 on ayurveda . My friend will probably die a long slow miserable death and 
 everyone will rationalise it in the usual way and blame it on his planets 
 or rakshasas or something similarly untestable.

 Sometimes I think a crime is being committed but maybe it's just
 the crime of stupidity. After all we are intelligent people who
 are free to make choices based on evidence or beliefs. Seems a shame that 
 an org like the TMO with its proclaimed belief in science has such a shaky 
 superstitious core lying just beneath the surface, they
 might be in a position to help people by recommending they go to
 a proper doctor instead of clinging to the dream that they have all
 the answers by taking your pulse and telling you to stare at the
 moon.

 So why all the reverence? Would you really want to live in a world
 where ayurveda was the only method of healthcare? Anyone?


 Jai Guru Dev, Trigunaji, rest in peace.
 Having studied ayurveda and even done an ayurvedic tour of India, I beg
 to differ.  Maybe the difference is that I had an MD as an ayurvedic
 doctor.  In fact I got his name from MAPI when I called to get a list of
 ayurvedic doctors in the SF Bay Area.  However this MD had not only
 taken the MA doctor's course but Dr. Lad's as well.   I also took some
 weekend workshops with a number of ayurvedic practitioners including Dr.
 Robert Svoboda.

 There are a lot of cures and treatments in allopathic disease
 maintenance that parallel ayurveda or probably even owe their roots to
 it and Chinese medicine.  This time of year we would usually take some
 off the shelf cough and cold measures that have their roots in such
 medicine.  The now defamed ephedrine is of course a synthetic derivation
 of the herb ephedra which is used in Chinese medicine and ayurveda was
 the principle decongestant in these.  It's defamed only because meth
 cookers would buy it in bulk to make meth.  Now, if you want it you have
 to register your purchase.  Of course, ephedra grows all over the US as
 a weed.

 However due to ayurveda, unless I screw up somehow, I don't have to
 reach for such a concoction.  If I start to experience even the
 slightest sing of cold, cough or flu and little homemade kapha tea ( 1
 part ginger, 1 part cinnamon, dash clove) will make it do a quick exit.
 Adding a little black pepper will speed it up too.  Recipe courtesy of
 Dr. Lad who has a lot of kitchen cures like that.

 Don't forget that medicine for profit Big Pharma patented the herb
 neem.  Something outraged folks in India so they put together an
 organization to patent all their herbs to keep corporations from doing
 so.  I suspect big pharma would disagree with you about whether ayurveda
 really works.

 Allopathic doctors are good for broken bones or other emergency
 measures.  Most have little training in nutrition.  Most are merely drug
 pushers for big pharma who isn't interested in curing a disease because
 there's too much money in just maintenancing it.  I think of all the
 billions raised over the years for those cure telethons and none of
 those diseases are anywhere near cured.  Big pharma thanks all the marks
 for that money.  By all rights a lot of those diseases should be history
 by 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Bhairitu

[Share Long]

Had a quick glance at the website.  Fascinating!  I've been into an alkalyzing 
diet since I left campus 10 years ago.  On an alkalyzing diet I lost a pound a 
week for 16 weeks without changing my activity level.  My diet now is very 
alkalyzing and I feel good on it, rarely feel deprived or hungry, am easily 
able to maintain my healthy weight.  I am eating a lot of raw food and that's a 
bit chilly in the winter.  But all in all, it's a good diet for me.  

I'm fascinated by their take on the whole alkalyzing trend.  I'm gonna have 
another look at it.  I sense that my metabolism is slow.  Thanks again.





 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Bhairitu
 

  
On 01/03/2013 10:19 AM, Share Long wrote:
 Recently the 2 main health clinics at the Jeff Co Health Center (hospital) 
 have hired doctors who are also familiar with alternative healthcare.  Both 
 happen to be women.  I also like allopathic for diagnosis but then go to 
 alternative for treatment if possible.  Unless there's infection and as you 
 say, broken bones.  With my parents who both take lots of Western meds each 
 with side effects, I see what a slippery and dangerous slope that is.  When 
 my Dad contracted the killer bacteria, the docs had to take all his other 
 meds into account as they chose which antibiotic to use.  Meanwhile precious 
 time was passing as it was a bacteria that's been known to kill in 48 hours.

 Back to Triguna, the only thing he said to me was no fried foods.  Of course 
 I did not listen!  Those avocado oil potato chips (-:


 I actually prefer Chinese herbs to ayurvedic ones.  But what I really prefer  
 is getting healthy via the foods I eat.  I'll check out the metabolic typing 
 website.  Thanks too for mentioning the book.

Kristal's web site:
http://www.bloodph.com/

Much of this has to do with the pH of the blood.  Something that is a 
little difficult to test personally.  It is reflected in CO2 levels on 
regular blood panels.  I'm going to look into the use of oximeters for 
this since they can be purchased for under $50.  Blood pH only varies a 
little but that little variance can cause an imbalance.   The imbalances 
in metabolic typing reflect similar imbalances in ayurveda.  Which makes 
sense because most all of this is just biochemistry, a field which many 
MD's (according to a friend who attended medical college) have 
difficulty with.

Kristal mentions the work of Dr. George Watson who came up with the slow 
and fast oxidizer prognosis and tests for it.  Watson had a smell test 
kit which I purchased back in the 80s (for less than $20) to determine 
how someone was functioning.  I usually came up as a slightly slow 
oxidizer.  I had already been through the metabolic typing program of 
Dr. Kelly's which Bill Wolcott (a former TM teacher) now runs and has 
published a book about.  Kristal also mentions Bill's work in the field.

Thing is a lot of alternative practitioners pay far more attention to 
current medical research than MDs.  Much of naturopathic medicine keeps 
abreast  of such developments.  We also have a lot of current research 
validating much of what alternative practices such as ayurveda and 
Chinese medicine have advocated for ages.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:

 On 01/03/2013 10:36 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
 
 First off, Vasant Lad in his book The Complete Book of Ayurvedic Home 
 Remedies includes when to see a doctor on ailments.  Sounds like the 
 people you mention were taking ayurveda a little too religiously.

Yup, but then they'd been schooled in TM fundamentalism for decades
so it's hard to blame them even though we don't understand what it
must be like for someone to actually believe that someone speaks the
whole truth all the time and start mistaking the rabbit hole for 
reality.


 You can treat a lot more than colds and ailments with ayurveda.  Do you 
 know that ayurveda even developed surgical techniques?  There has always 
 been a war between establishment medicine and alternative methods.  It's 
 always been about doctors protecting their money flow.  Did you know 
 that British MDs serving in India were banned from learning ayurveda 
 because they were going back to Britain and using those techniques and 
 upsetting the clique.

Not heard of that but it sounds like it might withstand a bit of
research, there could be any number of reasons why Indian medical
techniques weren't welcome in UK hospitals.
 
 This will probably come off about as well as the arguments I get around 
 here from people who are against astrology whose clock I clean.  Most 
 have not ever learned astrology so they are talking out of their hat or 
 as we sometimes like to say reviewing a movie without having seen it.  

So far we have agreed on everything, there is a time to go and see
a doctor - once the alleged perfect system of total healthcare has turned out 
not to be.

And I've never felt like my clocks been cleaned about astrology,
prolly coz I know how to draw horoscopes and can point out the many
ways it is total nonsense and that's without studying the predictions
made ;-)


 I don't know if you've taken any classes on ayurveda but it might be a 
 little hard to judge it if you don't know what it is about.

I've done the pulse course and tried loads of remedies and heard
stories from people who spend thousands on PK every year. There's
probably some good wisdom there but when someone says to me that
the reason they aren't ill is because of a berry cooked with ghee
they eat every day I have to ask what is keeping the people who
*haven't* eaten the berry healthy?

You have to take a long view of a large sample to get any idea
of how effective something is.


 You're lucky you live in a country with single payer healthcare. The US 
 is a circus when it comes to healthcare and the profiteering very 
 obvious.  The best thing people can do is learn as much as they can 
 about alternative methods and use them to keep an eye on their body as 
 if it were a sports car they need to tune daily to run properly.


Amen to that. Sensible eating, bit of exercise, early night every
now and again. It's all you can really do to make a difference I suspect, no 
matter what the snake oil salesmen tell us.

Oh, and go see a proper doctor when you're ill.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808  wrote:

 
 
  You can treat a lot more than colds and ailments with ayurveda.  Do you 
  know that ayurveda even developed surgical techniques?  There has always 
  been a war between establishment medicine and alternative methods.  It's 
  always been about doctors protecting their money flow.  Did you know 
  that British MDs serving in India were banned from learning ayurveda 
  because they were going back to Britain and using those techniques and 
  upsetting the clique.
 

 Not heard of that but it sounds like it might withstand a bit of
 research, there could be any number of reasons why Indian medical
 techniques weren't welcome in UK hospitals.


The main reason being good old british arrogance. 
And speaking of arrogance; before you know it Argentine has pumped up so much 
oil they can afford to build a navy capable of defending the Falklands :-) 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
snip
 Another great buzzphrase I've heard lately from the UK
 was the description used in the press for some of the
 WAY upper-class baby birthing clinics in the UK catering
 to the uber-rich and specializing in pumping them so full
 of drugs that they are barely conscious of the actual 
 birth -- Too posh to push.

FWIW, the concept of natural childbirth--no drugs, no
anesthetics--is quite recent. Back in the day, it was
very common to give the mother general anesthesia for
the delivery so that she wouldn't be aware of any of it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius  wrote:
 
  Just my opinion Barry, but I think you have missed something 
  about how Share experiences life. Your attempts to penetrate 
  the Pollyanna facade seem to bounce off like bullets on 
  Superman. Maybe it is not entirely a facade.
 
 I have never for a moment thought that it was a facade.
 With Robin, IMO it's ALL facade; there is no there there.

Says Barry, who boasted that he never read Robin's
posts and who never engaged him in discussion.

snip
 I don't think you understand. I don't have an approach
 or even a goal in mind. I am merely stating my opinion
 of her, to see whether it is even *possible* for her
 to hear something outside the range of the bliss-blinders 
 she wears.

Says Barry, stating what his approach and goal are.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
snip
 You read some claptrap on a bulletin board
 that was supposed to make you feel more important and
 voila -- you not only feel more important, you pass it
 along without a second thought, as if other people should
 believe the claptrap as well. It's just what you DO, 
 whether the claptrap you're passing along is from TM
 sources or from some visiting healer/charlatan. 
 
 What I was trying to do was to present another point of
 view on the subject, to see how you and other TBs would
 react to it. I was trying to suggest that you live in a 
 very sheltered world in which many if not most of the
 people around you tend to believe the same things, and
 take them for granted.

This, of course, is the purest billshit. In the normal
world, people frequently link births and deaths and other
significant events to other events of significance. It
may be silly, but it's perfectly normal and has not a thing
to do with living in a sheltered world in which everyone
believes the same crazy things.

There's plenty of other TMO stuff that you could make
this point about (and you listed some of it in the rest
of your post). But this particular complaint was just a
matter of your feeling like smacking Share around.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:

 I think of her pretty much like Nabby, only with much,
 much less of the Schutzstaffel vibe. Meaning that I don't
 for a moment think that she's faking her blissninniness.
 It appears to have been going on so long now that I don't
 think she has a ghost of a chance of ever changing it,
 even if she wanted to. If I've had a purpose in ever
 commenting on her, it's to see if she is even capable
 of understanding how she sometimes comes across.


Blissninniness?  Don't see it.  Moodmaking?  Even less so. TBer? Sorry,
no blind faith here.

You, or I have no idea of the path that has brought her to her present
outlook, except for the tidbits she has shared. But I see someone who
has carefully considered each step on her path, and has likely endured
many tests along the way.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
 Perhaps this blissfulness Share has is a stage, and it will pass at
some point.

Care to give an example?

Because she is not beholden to you for instruction, your words to dispel
the state probably will not have the force of someone who is looking to
a specific person for guidance.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:

  I think of her pretty much like Nabby, only with much,
  much less of the Schutzstaffel vibe. Meaning that I don't
  for a moment think that she's faking her blissninniness.
  It appears to have been going on so long now that I don't
  think she has a ghost of a chance of ever changing it,
  even if she wanted to. If I've had a purpose in ever
  commenting on her, it's to see if she is even capable
  of understanding how she sometimes comes across.


 Blissninniness?  Don't see it.  Moodmaking?  Even less so. TBer?
Sorry,
 no blind faith here.

 You, or I have no idea of the path that has brought her to her present
 outlook, except for the tidbits she has shared. But I see someone who
 has carefully considered each step on her path, and has likely endured
 many tests along the way.
I nominate blissninniness as the word of the hour. Look at all those
'n's, how scrumptious.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote:

snip

Should I tell you what is best for you? No.


Isn't that what you just spent three paragraphs doing?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote:
 
 snip
 
 Should I tell you what is best for you? No.
 
 
 Isn't that what you just spent three paragraphs doing?

How so? No Steve, they are observations, questions for Share and imagined 
scenarios for alternative possibilities that I was asking for her feedback on. 
Are you saying that you don't  recognize the same elements that I do with 
regard to what Share reveals about her life here? I believe that you are so 
ready and willing to jump on your white horse that you miss completely what is 
going on. You're in such a frenzy to defend her that you end up galloping right 
by having forgotten your saddle and your horse.

 I thoroughly recognize that all of us who possess a body and a brain will live 
our lives very differently and I honour that. I just wonder how aware Share 
might be of her motivation, or indeed, her perpetual merry-go-round of 
searching out a multitude of techniques and pseudo-spiritual teachings. Come 
on, can you not at least admit to wondering about all of this? Wondering, not 
judging or prescribing. I have my opinions but I am fully aware that that is 
all they are and probably have no relevance to her life. I just don't have the 
credentials for Share to give me one second of her attention or thought. I'm 
nobody. And anyway, she seems perfectly content to stay on her merry-go-round; 
she isn't ever going to get off until she falls off. (OK, saddle up and charge, 
I'm done.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[feste37]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
 
  I think of her pretty much like Nabby, only with much,
  much less of the Schutzstaffel vibe. Meaning that I don't
  for a moment think that she's faking her blissninniness.
  It appears to have been going on so long now that I don't
  think she has a ghost of a chance of ever changing it,
  even if she wanted to. If I've had a purpose in ever
  commenting on her, it's to see if she is even capable
  of understanding how she sometimes comes across.
 
 
 Blissninniness?  Don't see it.  Moodmaking?  Even less so. TBer? Sorry,
 no blind faith here.
 
 You, or I have no idea of the path that has brought her to her present
 outlook, except for the tidbits she has shared. But I see someone who
 has carefully considered each step on her path, and has likely endured
 many tests along the way.



Yes. I don't know where people get this idea that Share is a blissninny. Not 
at all. I would say she has a positive, optimistic outlook but is not ignorant 
of, and does not ignore, the dark or more problematic side of things. She knows 
how to give sorrow its due. Share is, I can tell you, a serious individual who 
has thought deeply about many of the issues that we discuss on this forum. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37  wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
  
   I think of her pretty much like Nabby, only with much,
   much less of the Schutzstaffel vibe. Meaning that I don't
   for a moment think that she's faking her blissninniness.
   It appears to have been going on so long now that I don't
   think she has a ghost of a chance of ever changing it,
   even if she wanted to. If I've had a purpose in ever
   commenting on her, it's to see if she is even capable
   of understanding how she sometimes comes across.
  
  
  Blissninniness?  Don't see it.  Moodmaking?  Even less so. TBer? Sorry,
  no blind faith here.
  
  You, or I have no idea of the path that has brought her to her present
  outlook, except for the tidbits she has shared. But I see someone who
  has carefully considered each step on her path, and has likely endured
  many tests along the way.
 
 
 
 Yes. I don't know where people get this idea that Share is a blissninny. 
 Not at all. I would say she has a positive, optimistic outlook but is not 
 ignorant of, and does not ignore, the dark or more problematic side of 
 things. She knows how to give sorrow its due. Share is, I can tell you, a 
 serious individual who has thought deeply about many of the issues that we 
 discuss on this forum.

You are a good man, I like people who stand up for what they know to be true in 
their experience of others. For the record I have never called her a bliss 
ninny and don't believe her to be one. But then, you would know that from my 
posts. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[seventhray27]

that during this period of time in human history it would be RELATIVELY
easy to grow and develop to a good extent.  So though those souls
realized they're have some challenging karma to deal with, they chose to
incarnate at this time, neutralize the karma no matter how challenging,
and have a good shot at a good level of human development.  So lots
of people on spiritual paths with lots of issues.  Again, wise
compassion seems a good 'tude.  And even more so given that I agree
with the idea that as a person or even society evolves, the deeper stuff
gets released.  It might not always be a pretty sight.  But in
my experience, if a person or group hangs in there, at some point the
deeper stuff get so loosened up, that it's no longer a hindrance to
experiencing what has always been there.  Not to put up with
abuse.  But to tough it out whether the situation is in a
relationship, a
  career or a spiritual practice.Â
 
 
  Turq, I don't think you and I will ever agree about the TMO. 
That's ok.  The TMO probably doesn't agree with my doing other stuff
and not becoming a gov.  That's ok too.  I've had my
confrontations with TMO leaders in the past.  Some karma to work out
and again, I aim to have compassion for all of us humans.  Anyway,
it seems I'm working out karma with certain people here on FFL too (-:
 
  One aspect I enjoy about FFL is that there are so many different
lifestyles and paths represented here.  That reflects a richness of
life that I feel inside and out.  And I think several on FFL have
seen and appreciate my ability to laugh at myself and be a good
sport.  Obviously YMMV and does.Â
 
  BTW I agree with your point about the enlightened being the same
towards everyone.  I see this quality in some here on FFL and I'm
working on it in myself.  Thanks for your help whether intended or
not.
 
 
 
 
  
  From: turquoiseb
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 3:50 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
 
 
  Â
  Share, since you so obviously don't get what I was doing,
  I'm going to actually try to explain it to you. I know
  in advance that it won't work, but I'll do it anyway.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
  
   It was not an official sign by the TMO. There was no they
   involved. The sign was put up by an anonymous someone on
   the bulletin board in the coat room of the women's Dome
   where other life transitions such as births and weddings
   and birthdays and anniversaries are announced. That person
   was expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death
   occurring on Jan 1, the day when many are beginning the
   traditional week of silence.
 
  Share, your nitpick is as STOOOPID as when Judy does it.
  I wasn't referring to the TMO as the TM organization per
  se, as manifested in its administrators, but the TMO as
  the whole group of (from my point of view) highly
  dysfunctional people who believe in the same claptrap,
  and so thoroughly that they 1) don't know it's claptrap,
  and 2) actually believe that the world perceives them
  as *normal* when they talk about the claptrap.
 
  *Of course* the sign wasn't official. Duh. It was put
  up by someone who wanted to suggest that the death of a
  person who was once associated with the TM movement was
  somehow more meaningful because it happened at the
  beginning of a made-up holiday created by Maharishi,
  and which no one else *but* TMers observe and feel is
  in any way meaningful. From my point of view, it was
  just another exercise in self-importance, trying to
  imbue ordinary events with claptrap to make them seem
  more meaningful, sprinkled with a scattering of *We*
  see the cosmic importance of him dying on this day --
  don't you? elitism.
 
   Yes, I know the world I inhabit.
 
  No, I honestly don't think you do. That is why I posted
  what I did. You read some claptrap on a bulletin board
  that was supposed to make you feel more important and
  voila -- you not only feel more important, you pass it
  along without a second thought, as if other people should
  believe the claptrap as well. It's just what you DO,
  whether the claptrap you're passing along is from TM
  sources or from some visiting healer/charlatan.
 
  What I was trying to do was to present another point of
  view on the subject, to see how you and other TBs would
  react to it. I was trying to suggest that you live in a
  very sheltered world in which many if not most of the
  people around you tend to believe the same things, and
  take them for granted.
 
  Things like marching across campus or across town like
  lemmings twice a day, to bounce on your butts while think-
  ing about cotton fiber and believing that this makes your
  thoughts 10,000 times more powerful than other peoples'
  thoughts. Things like doing this affects the weather and
  the crime rate and will bring world peace. Things like
  entering a building

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Ann]

 paying off some heavy duty karmic debts.  Compassion seems
 like the best choice, if only for my own good health.Â
  
   I also want to say that this choice is not primarily about thoughts
 or emotions.  It is about actions and choosing the daily actions
 that ENERGETICALLY feel right to me for me, even if not always feeling
 comfy.  Of course I realize that my path is not right for
 everyone.  It might not even be right for everyone in the Dome. 
 That is for them to determine.  Nor is it normal for most
 Americans.  Nonetheless it feels right and normal for me and so I
 will continue to do it until it does not feel so.  And I recognize
 that I might be totally wrong about all this.  I'm willing to take
 this chance given all that I've observed in and out of the TMO.
  
  
   As for the mental illness topic, I do think that a lot of souls saw
 that during this period of time in human history it would be RELATIVELY
 easy to grow and develop to a good extent.  So though those souls
 realized they're have some challenging karma to deal with, they chose to
 incarnate at this time, neutralize the karma no matter how challenging,
 and have a good shot at a good level of human development.  So lots
 of people on spiritual paths with lots of issues.  Again, wise
 compassion seems a good 'tude.  And even more so given that I agree
 with the idea that as a person or even society evolves, the deeper stuff
 gets released.  It might not always be a pretty sight.  But in
 my experience, if a person or group hangs in there, at some point the
 deeper stuff get so loosened up, that it's no longer a hindrance to
 experiencing what has always been there.  Not to put up with
 abuse.  But to tough it out whether the situation is in a
 relationship, a
   career or a spiritual practice.Â
  
  
   Turq, I don't think you and I will ever agree about the TMO. 
 That's ok.  The TMO probably doesn't agree with my doing other stuff
 and not becoming a gov.  That's ok too.  I've had my
 confrontations with TMO leaders in the past.  Some karma to work out
 and again, I aim to have compassion for all of us humans.  Anyway,
 it seems I'm working out karma with certain people here on FFL too (-:
  
   One aspect I enjoy about FFL is that there are so many different
 lifestyles and paths represented here.  That reflects a richness of
 life that I feel inside and out.  And I think several on FFL have
 seen and appreciate my ability to laugh at myself and be a good
 sport.  Obviously YMMV and does.Â
  
   BTW I agree with your point about the enlightened being the same
 towards everyone.  I see this quality in some here on FFL and I'm
 working on it in myself.  Thanks for your help whether intended or
 not.
  
  
  
  
   
   From: turquoiseb
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 3:50 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
  
  
   Â
   Share, since you so obviously don't get what I was doing,
   I'm going to actually try to explain it to you. I know
   in advance that it won't work, but I'll do it anyway.
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
   
It was not an official sign by the TMO. There was no they
involved. The sign was put up by an anonymous someone on
the bulletin board in the coat room of the women's Dome
where other life transitions such as births and weddings
and birthdays and anniversaries are announced. That person
was expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death
occurring on Jan 1, the day when many are beginning the
traditional week of silence.
  
   Share, your nitpick is as STOOOPID as when Judy does it.
   I wasn't referring to the TMO as the TM organization per
   se, as manifested in its administrators, but the TMO as
   the whole group of (from my point of view) highly
   dysfunctional people who believe in the same claptrap,
   and so thoroughly that they 1) don't know it's claptrap,
   and 2) actually believe that the world perceives them
   as *normal* when they talk about the claptrap.
  
   *Of course* the sign wasn't official. Duh. It was put
   up by someone who wanted to suggest that the death of a
   person who was once associated with the TM movement was
   somehow more meaningful because it happened at the
   beginning of a made-up holiday created by Maharishi,
   and which no one else *but* TMers observe and feel is
   in any way meaningful. From my point of view, it was
   just another exercise in self-importance, trying to
   imbue ordinary events with claptrap to make them seem
   more meaningful, sprinkled with a scattering of *We*
   see the cosmic importance of him dying on this day --
   don't you? elitism.
  
Yes, I know the world I inhabit.
  
   No, I honestly don't think you do. That is why I posted
   what I did. You read some claptrap on a bulletin board
   that was supposed to make you feel more important and
   voila

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Steve Ann

[Share Long]

Happy 60th to Mrs. Steve tomorrow.  When I was working at MUM with a young man 
from India he explained to me that the 60th is considered a very auspicious 
(whoops, sorry Xeno) birthday (-:  

I think merudanda also mentioned this once.  


Anyway, what constitutes real life?  Was my life MORE real when I was married 
and working full time and helping pay a mortgage?  Which was $187/month if you 
can believe it!  We also had 2 cats and a dog and my husband was a CPA.  We had 
a house about a mile from the University of Maryland in College Park.  I think 
we bought it mainly because of the huge and sloping and well shaded back yard.  
I had yet to learn TM.  I think our front door faced east (-:

We had a convertible Kharman Ghia and an Audi Fox and a VW bug.  On weekends we 
drank wine and
 socialized with friends and attended concerts at places like Wolf Trap in 
Virginia.  Also I was attending graduate school at night part time, studying to 
become a high school counselor.  


That all seems like another lifetime.  Real in its own way.  As is my life now. 
 As the song says:  To every thing there is a season, and a time to every 
purpose under the heaven...



 From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
 

  
(I'm gonna try to recreate this reply that Yahoo just ate)
Ann,
As I've mentioned several times over the last few days,  I don't know Share 
personally.  We've had a few infrequent offline communications, usually just a 
sentence or two.  But we know that she was married, that she was a suburban 
housewife, that she's held various positions at MIU and MUM, that she's spent 
periods of time away from Fairfield.  I think it's likely that she's done many 
of the things you list below.  In fact rereading you list below, I bet she has 
done most of those things in one way or another.
At some point you become comfortable in your own skin and routine.  I see it in 
my wife who has her 60th birthday tomorrow.  
That's what I see in Share, and also someone still open to adventure.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
 
  Thanks for giving your POV.  To counter your core inaccuracy about me:  I 
  have strongly questioned TM, TMO, etc.  In fact, I did just that when I 
  left campus 10 years ago.  Then there were 7 years when I was not in the 
  Dome at all.  In July 2009 there were 2 weeks when I did not do my sidhis 
  because I was at a PKYC retreat and they asked me to restrict myself to TM 
  only.  During my 5 years with Waking Down I was in satsang with ex govs 
  usually once a week and we were not talking about SCI.  Though most of 
  them reported continuing TM.  All these different behaviors were 
  accompanied by my questioning and being open to other systems.
 
 For me Share, here is my question. It is not so much that you seem so 
 ensconced
 in TM and Program, the Domes and Fairfield Iowa and all that represents to 
you. No, for me it is more a question of would you ever consider just going it 
'alone', without some alternative therapy, practice, New Age, or otherwise, 
path? You say you left FF, you left campus (scary) didn't go to the Dome 
(shocking), didn't practice your sidhis for two weeks (outrageous) but 
apparently from your description you were doing something else instead. From 
the frying pan into the fire; kind of like some people I know who are never 
without a relationship with someone of the opposite sex. They'll stick around, 
even if they're not happy, then abandon ship (current partner) when there is 
another vessel (potential partner) ready and waiting. They couldn't conceive of 
just existing as an autonomous, independent human being.
 
 I think I would just wonder if you ever ask yourself why you need something 
 all the time, some teaching, some speaker, some new
 practice. Have you ever gone 'cold turkey' just to see if you could do it for 
sustained periods of time? Would you go crazy if you stopped meditating for six 
months? Would you ever conceive of living in San Francisco, for example, 
working some regular job and reading or hiking or writing in your spare time, 
leaving all esoteric and spiritual exploration behind? It's not like I'm 
suggesting you try becoming some low-living, heavy drinking carnivorous cretin. 
I'm simply wondering if you think you could survive in the real world? Of 
course, I realize your definition of 'real world' is very different from mine, 
or is it?
 
 Yes, I have an opinion of you; do I think you are a horrible human being? No. 
 Do I think there are worse ways to live your life than you apparently live 
 yours? Yes. Am I missing something here? Probably. Should I tell you what is 
 best for you? No. 
    
  
  So my continuing group
 TMSP has been a deeply considered choice.  In fact, after

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote:
 First of all Happy Birthday to your wife. Secondly, thank you for your
reply. Thirdly, you must understand that I am not on any mission to
change anyone or to ridicule them for the sake of being mean. I am
simply curious about what makes people tick.

Sure, I think that's what keeps us around.

Share does not appear to want to clarify on her behalf (like I said, I
am nobody and she probably feels I am attacking her) so you have done as
good a job as you are capable of given the limited amount of information
you possess. Thank you for that. And thanks for taking the time to reply
twice! Enjoy the birthday cake and give your wife a full body massage
tomorrow with candles. It doesn't feel as good as getting one but she's
sure to love it.

Well that's a good suggestion considering the coffers are pretty much
dry by this time.  But I think I'll go with my orignal plan  of a gift
certificate for a manicure and pedicure and another little present of
something I know she likes.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Steve Ann

[seventhray27]

Thank you.  That whole story you just shared is beautiful.  Thanks
again.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:

 Happy 60th to Mrs. Steve tomorrow.  When I was working at MUM with
a young man from India he explained to me that the 60th is considered a
very auspicious (whoops, sorry Xeno) birthday (-:Â

 I think merudanda also mentioned this once.Â


 Anyway, what constitutes real life?  Was my life MORE real when I
was married and working full time and helping pay a mortgage?  Which
was $187/month if you can believe it!  We also had 2 cats and a dog
and my husband was a CPA.  We had a house about a mile from the
University of Maryland in College Park.  I think we bought it mainly
because of the huge and sloping and well shaded back yard.  I had
yet to learn TM.  I think our front door faced east (-:

 We had a convertible Kharman Ghia and an Audi Fox and a VW bug. 
On weekends we drank wine and
 socialized with friends and attended concerts at places like Wolf Trap
in Virginia.  Also I was attending graduate school at night part
time, studying to become a high school counselor.Â


 That all seems like another lifetime.  Real in its own way. 
As is my life now.  As the song says:  To every thing there is a
season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven...


 
 From: seventhray27
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:15 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq


 Â
 (I'm gonna try to recreate this reply that Yahoo just ate)
 Ann,
 As I've mentioned several times over the last few days,  I don't
know Share personally.  We've had a few infrequent offline
communications, usually just a sentence or two.  But we know that
she was married, that she was a suburban housewife, that she's held
various positions at MIU and MUM, that she's spent periods of time away
from Fairfield.  I think it's likely that she's done many of the
things you list below.  In fact rereading you list below, I bet
she has done most of those things in one way or another.
 At some point you become comfortable in your own skin and routine.Â
I see it in my wife who has her 60th birthday tomorrow.Â
 That's what I see in Share, and also someone still open to
adventure.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote:
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
  
   Thanks for giving your POV.  To counter your core
inaccuracy about me:  I have strongly questioned TM, TMO,
etc.  In fact, I did just that when I left campus 10 years
ago.  Then there were 7 years when I was not in the Dome at
all.  In July 2009 there were 2 weeks when I did not do my sidhis
because I was at a PKYC retreat and they asked me to restrict myself to
TM only.  During my 5 years with Waking Down I was in satsang
with ex govs usually once a week and we were not talking about
SCI.  Though most of them reported continuing TM.  All
these different behaviors were accompanied by my questioning and being
open to other systems.
 
  For me Share, here is my question. It is not so much that you seem
so ensconced
 in TM and Program, the Domes and Fairfield Iowa and all that
represents to you. No, for me it is more a question of would you ever
consider just going it 'alone', without some alternative therapy,
practice, New Age, or otherwise, path? You say you left FF, you left
campus (scary) didn't go to the Dome (shocking), didn't practice your
sidhis for two weeks (outrageous) but apparently from your description
you were doing something else instead. From the frying pan into the
fire; kind of like some people I know who are never without a
relationship with someone of the opposite sex. They'll stick around,
even if they're not happy, then abandon ship (current partner) when
there is another vessel (potential partner) ready and waiting. They
couldn't conceive of just existing as an autonomous, independent human
being.
 
  I think I would just wonder if you ever ask yourself why you need
something all the time, some teaching, some speaker, some new
 practice. Have you ever gone 'cold turkey' just to see if you could do
it for sustained periods of time? Would you go crazy if you stopped
meditating for six months? Would you ever conceive of living in San
Francisco, for example, working some regular job and reading or hiking
or writing in your spare time, leaving all esoteric and spiritual
exploration behind? It's not like I'm suggesting you try becoming some
low-living, heavy drinking carnivorous cretin. I'm simply wondering if
you think you could survive in the real world? Of course, I realize your
definition of 'real world' is very different from mine, or is it?
 
  Yes, I have an opinion of you; do I think you are a horrible human
being? No. Do I think there are worse ways to live your life than you
apparently live yours? Yes. Am I missing something here? Probably.
Should I tell you what is best for you? No.
   Ã

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[Buck]

 Trigunaji 1916- 1 Jan 2013


Obit:

Our most beloved great, great embodiment of Ayurveda - Padma Bhushan Vaidya 
Brihaspati Dev Triguna-ji joined Maharishi-ji in the Heavens today, January 1, 
2013, evening time in Delhi. Maharishi used to rise from his seat when 
Triguna-ji entered the Hall - a very rare sign of reverence. Triguna-ji every 
so often presented Maharishi with the Amrit Kalash, Nectar of of immortality, 
in a ceremonial way, giving it to Maharishi to distribute it to everyone in the 
world. Triguna-ji was profoundly revered by people from all walks of life 
around the world.

Dr. Anand Shrivastava writes: 

Around Maharishi there were many great seers, called rishis in Vedic wisdom. 
The very word Maharishi means the greatest of great seers, one who sees truth.

Of all the luminaries Maharishi gathered around him in the early 1980s to delve 
deep into the ayurvedic texts, there are three that he honored as rishis in the 
field of ayurveda: Dr. B.D. Triguna, Dr. Balaraj Maharishi, and Dr. Dwivedi. 
These three master vaidyas (ayurvedic experts) are revered in India as 
custodians of this precious knowledge of life, and they made many invaluable 
contributions that ensured the authenticity and effectiveness of our products.

Dr. Brihaspat DevTriguna is considered the foremost authority in the area of 
pulse diagnosis and in the uses of minerals and herbs for bringing imbalance 
back into balance. Just by feeling the pulse, he can tell the past health 
history of a person and what could happen to that person's health in the 
future. And based on that pulse diagnosis he will recommend taking certain 
herbs or products and make certain changes in diet. In this way he helps people 
bring balance into their life.

Dr. Triguna is a master of the ayurvedic texts. I have been very fortunate to 
read his books of ayurvedic scriptures, and have seen that they are marked with 
lines, colors, and other notes beside passages that he wanted to remember. For 
any health problem, he would take out a text and know the verse that contained 
the solution. He would go deeply into the texts, explaining how this problem 
comes and what are the ways this problem can be handled. With his tremendous 
knowledge, he is a great personality in this area, and MAPI has been very 
fortunate to receive his blessings.

A famous doctor in India, Dr. Triguna has served as the president of the 
All-India Ayurvedic Congress and as the personal vaidya to the prime president 
of India. In 2003 Dr. Triguna received the second highest civilian honor from 
the government of India, the Padma Vibhushan Award.

Dr. Triguna also treats hundreds of poor people who flock to his clinic every 
day. Many times I saw Triguna treat people whose doctors had told them their 
disease was incurable. He gave them herbal powders, liquid decoctions or herbal 
tea, and the person would get better. From reading the reports by medical 
doctors, we saw that they were surprised. Many of these authentic, traditional 
formulas are now offered by Maharishi Ayurveda Products International. This is 
just a small part of the invaluable contribution made to MAPI by Dr. B.D. 
Triguna, one of the greatest ayurvedic rishis of our times.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[Alex Stanley]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brihaspati_Dev_Triguna

Brihaspati Dev Triguna (Hindi: #2357;#2376;#2342;#2381;#2351; 
#2348;#2381;#2352;#2361;#2381;#2360;#2381;#2346;#2340;#2367; 
#2342;#2375;#2357; #2340;#2381;#2352;#2367;#2327;#2369;#2339;#2366;; 
Born in India, 1920) 

Born in 1920, not 1916. And, he's not dead until Wikipedia says he's dead.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 
 
  Trigunaji 1916- 1 Jan 2013
 
 
 Obit:
 
 Our most beloved great, great embodiment of Ayurveda - Padma Bhushan Vaidya 
 Brihaspati Dev Triguna-ji joined Maharishi-ji in the Heavens today, January 
 1, 2013, evening time in Delhi. Maharishi used to rise from his seat when 
 Triguna-ji entered the Hall - a very rare sign of reverence. Triguna-ji every 
 so often presented Maharishi with the Amrit Kalash, Nectar of of immortality, 
 in a ceremonial way, giving it to Maharishi to distribute it to everyone in 
 the world. Triguna-ji was profoundly revered by people from all walks of life 
 around the world.
 
 Dr. Anand Shrivastava writes: 
 
 Around Maharishi there were many great seers, called rishis in Vedic wisdom. 
 The very word Maharishi means the greatest of great seers, one who sees 
 truth.
 
 Of all the luminaries Maharishi gathered around him in the early 1980s to 
 delve deep into the ayurvedic texts, there are three that he honored as 
 rishis in the field of ayurveda: Dr. B.D. Triguna, Dr. Balaraj Maharishi, and 
 Dr. Dwivedi. These three master vaidyas (ayurvedic experts) are revered in 
 India as custodians of this precious knowledge of life, and they made many 
 invaluable contributions that ensured the authenticity and effectiveness of 
 our products.
 
 Dr. Brihaspat DevTriguna is considered the foremost authority in the area of 
 pulse diagnosis and in the uses of minerals and herbs for bringing imbalance 
 back into balance. Just by feeling the pulse, he can tell the past health 
 history of a person and what could happen to that person's health in the 
 future. And based on that pulse diagnosis he will recommend taking certain 
 herbs or products and make certain changes in diet. In this way he helps 
 people bring balance into their life.
 
 Dr. Triguna is a master of the ayurvedic texts. I have been very fortunate to 
 read his books of ayurvedic scriptures, and have seen that they are marked 
 with lines, colors, and other notes beside passages that he wanted to 
 remember. For any health problem, he would take out a text and know the verse 
 that contained the solution. He would go deeply into the texts, explaining 
 how this problem comes and what are the ways this problem can be handled. 
 With his tremendous knowledge, he is a great personality in this area, and 
 MAPI has been very fortunate to receive his blessings.
 
 A famous doctor in India, Dr. Triguna has served as the president of the 
 All-India Ayurvedic Congress and as the personal vaidya to the prime 
 president of India. In 2003 Dr. Triguna received the second highest civilian 
 honor from the government of India, the Padma Vibhushan Award.
 
 Dr. Triguna also treats hundreds of poor people who flock to his clinic every 
 day. Many times I saw Triguna treat people whose doctors had told them their 
 disease was incurable. He gave them herbal powders, liquid decoctions or 
 herbal tea, and the person would get better. From reading the reports by 
 medical doctors, we saw that they were surprised. Many of these authentic, 
 traditional formulas are now offered by Maharishi Ayurveda Products 
 International. This is just a small part of the invaluable contribution made 
 to MAPI by Dr. B.D. Triguna, one of the greatest ayurvedic rishis of our 
 times.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[merudanda]

Padma Vibhushan Awardee Dr. BD Triguna, a giant in the field of Ayurved,
was 95 years and still active in the practice of Ayurved  offering his
consultancy to the panchkarma clinic in Khosla Hospital in Delhi as well
as some ayurveda hospitals in Germany and the USA run by the Maharishi's
organization. .
He was a master of Ayurved pulse diagnosis. With him an era in Ayurved
practice has been lost.
May God put his soul into peace and give courage to his family including
Triguna's son Devender, also a Padma Bhushan Awardee to bear the loss.

Deepak Chopra used to work as an interpreter for Dr. BD Triguna when he
went on world tours in the late '80s on Maharishi's invitation.
  Deepak showed interest and by and by picked up knowledge of ayurveda.

In his autobiography Return of the Rishi, Chopra showers  praise on
Triguna as the master physician.
  The Delhi-born doctor had his pulse read by Triguna and was told: You
think too many unnecessary thoughts. You are always trying to beat a
deadline.
The prescription: Slow down. Watch more sunsets. Spend more time with
your wife and children.
Seems he didn't took his advise to heart.. [;)]


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:


 
  Trigunaji 1916- 1 Jan 2013
 

 Obit:

 Our most beloved great, great embodiment of Ayurveda - Padma Bhushan
Vaidya Brihaspati Dev Triguna-ji joined Maharishi-ji in the Heavens
today, January 1, 2013, evening time in Delhi. Maharishi used to rise
from his seat when Triguna-ji entered the Hall - a very rare sign of
reverence. Triguna-ji every so often presented Maharishi with the Amrit
Kalash, Nectar of of immortality, in a ceremonial way, giving it to
Maharishi to distribute it to everyone in the world. Triguna-ji was
profoundly revered by people from all walks of life around the world.

 Dr. Anand Shrivastava writes:

 Around Maharishi there were many great seers, called rishis in Vedic
wisdom. The very word Maharishi means the greatest of great seers, one
who sees truth.

 Of all the luminaries Maharishi gathered around him in the early 1980s
to delve deep into the ayurvedic texts, there are three that he honored
as rishis in the field of ayurveda: Dr. B.D. Triguna, Dr. Balaraj
Maharishi, and Dr. Dwivedi. These three master vaidyas (ayurvedic
experts) are revered in India as custodians of this precious knowledge
of life, and they made many invaluable contributions that ensured the
authenticity and effectiveness of our products.

 Dr. Brihaspat DevTriguna is considered the foremost authority in the
area of pulse diagnosis and in the uses of minerals and herbs for
bringing imbalance back into balance. Just by feeling the pulse, he can
tell the past health history of a person and what could happen to that
person's health in the future. And based on that pulse diagnosis he will
recommend taking certain herbs or products and make certain changes in
diet. In this way he helps people bring balance into their life.

 Dr. Triguna is a master of the ayurvedic texts. I have been very
fortunate to read his books of ayurvedic scriptures, and have seen that
they are marked with lines, colors, and other notes beside passages that
he wanted to remember. For any health problem, he would take out a text
and know the verse that contained the solution. He would go deeply into
the texts, explaining how this problem comes and what are the ways this
problem can be handled. With his tremendous knowledge, he is a great
personality in this area, and MAPI has been very fortunate to receive
his blessings.

 A famous doctor in India, Dr. Triguna has served as the president of
the All-India Ayurvedic Congress and as the personal vaidya to the prime
president of India. In 2003 Dr. Triguna received the second highest
civilian honor from the government of India, the Padma Vibhushan Award.

 Dr. Triguna also treats hundreds of poor people who flock to his
clinic every day. Many times I saw Triguna treat people whose doctors
had told them their disease was incurable. He gave them herbal powders,
liquid decoctions or herbal tea, and the person would get better. From
reading the reports by medical doctors, we saw that they were surprised.
Many of these authentic, traditional formulas are now offered by
Maharishi Ayurveda Products International. This is just a small part of
the invaluable contribution made to MAPI by Dr. B.D. Triguna, one of the
greatest ayurvedic rishis of our times.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[Share Long]

There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how auspicious it is that he 
passed on the first day of silence in the new year.
Yes, may his soul be at peace and his family be comforted by memories and life 
which continues right along.

Her Triguna story from long ago:  he put his fingers on her pulse and 
immediately she started thinking the word sex and was sure he could hear her 
very loud thoughts but sigh, nothing to be done about it.  He released her 
wrist as if scalded and said, Pure pitta.  End of story (-:


Another story:  a woman at MUM got sick and went to Triguna and told him that 
she was doing everything that she's supposed to do, etc.  He said, Maybe you 
need to break the rules sometime.  




 From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:35 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes
 

  
Padma Vibhushan Awardee Dr. BD Triguna, a giant in the field of Ayurved, was 95 
years and still active in the practice of Ayurved  offering his consultancy to 
the panchkarma clinic in Khosla Hospital in Delhi as well as some ayurveda 
hospitals in Germany and the USA run by the Maharishi's organization. .
He was a master of Ayurved pulse diagnosis. With him an era in Ayurved practice 
has been lost. 
May God put his soul into peace and give courage to his family including 
Triguna's son Devender, also a Padma Bhushan Awardee to bear the loss.

Deepak Chopra used to work as an interpreter for Dr. BD Triguna when he went on 
world tours in the late '80s on Maharishi's invitation.
 Deepak showed interest and by and by picked up knowledge of ayurveda.

In his autobiography Return of the Rishi, Chopra showers  praise on Triguna as 
the master physician.
 The Delhi-born doctor had his pulse read by Triguna and was told: You think 
too many unnecessary thoughts. You are always trying to beat a deadline. 
The prescription: Slow down. Watch more sunsets. Spend more time with your 
wife and children. 
Seems he didn't took his advise to heart..


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:

 
 
  Trigunaji 1916- 1 Jan 2013
 
 
 Obit:
 
 Our most beloved great, great embodiment of Ayurveda - Padma Bhushan Vaidya 
 Brihaspati Dev Triguna-ji joined Maharishi-ji in the Heavens today, January 
 1, 2013, evening time in Delhi. Maharishi used to rise from his seat when 
 Triguna-ji entered the Hall - a very rare sign of reverence. Triguna-ji every 
 so often presented Maharishi with the Amrit Kalash, Nectar of of immortality, 
 in a ceremonial way, giving it to Maharishi to distribute it to everyone in 
 the world. Triguna-ji was profoundly revered by people from all walks of life 
 around the world.
 
 Dr. Anand Shrivastava writes: 
 
 Around Maharishi there were many great seers, called rishis in Vedic wisdom. 
 The very word Maharishi means the greatest of great seers, one who sees 
 truth.
 
 Of all the luminaries Maharishi gathered around him in the early 1980s to 
 delve deep into the ayurvedic texts, there are three that he honored as 
 rishis in the field of ayurveda: Dr. B.D. Triguna, Dr. Balaraj Maharishi, and 
 Dr. Dwivedi. These three master vaidyas (ayurvedic experts) are revered in 
 India as custodians of this precious knowledge of life, and they made many 
 invaluable contributions that ensured the authenticity and effectiveness of 
 our products.
 
 Dr. Brihaspat DevTriguna is considered the foremost authority in the area of 
 pulse diagnosis and in the uses of minerals and herbs for bringing imbalance 
 back into balance. Just by feeling the pulse, he can tell the past health 
 history of a person and what could happen to that person's health in the 
 future. And based on that pulse diagnosis he will recommend taking certain 
 herbs or products and make certain changes in diet. In this way he helps 
 people bring balance into their life.
 
 Dr. Triguna is a master of the ayurvedic texts. I have been very fortunate to 
 read his books of ayurvedic scriptures, and have seen that they are marked 
 with lines, colors, and other notes beside passages that he wanted to 
 remember. For any health problem, he would take out a text and know the verse 
 that contained the solution. He would go deeply into the texts, explaining 
 how this problem comes and what are the ways this problem can be handled. 
 With his tremendous knowledge, he is a great personality in this area, and 
 MAPI has been very fortunate to receive his blessings.
 
 A famous doctor in India, Dr. Triguna has served as the president of the 
 All-India Ayurvedic Congress and as the personal vaidya to the prime 
 president of India. In 2003 Dr. Triguna received the second highest civilian 
 honor from the government of India, the Padma Vibhushan Award.
 
 Dr. Triguna also treats hundreds of poor people who flock to his clinic every 
 day. Many times I saw Triguna treat people whose doctors had told them their 
 disease

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how 
 auspicious it is that he passed on the first day of 
 silence in the new year.

OK, commenting not to be nasty or insulting or anything
like that, just to see whether you understand the nature
of the world you live in, you DO understand, do you not,
that they would have said the same thing if Paul McCartney
had died on this day, or David Lynch?

It's not about auspiciousness. It's about the TMO trying
to co-opt *everything* related to a famous TMer to make it 
All About Us. 

Triguna died. The Maharishi-invented days of silence 
started. There is no relationship between the two events.
When someone tries to create one, I think it is justified
to ask Why?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how 
  auspicious it is that he passed on the first day of 
  silence in the new year.
 
 OK, commenting not to be nasty or insulting or anything
 like that, just to see whether you understand the nature
 of the world you live in, you DO understand, do you not,
 that they would have said the same thing if Paul McCartney
 had died on this day, or David Lynch?
 
 It's not about auspiciousness. It's about the TMO trying
 to co-opt *everything* related to a famous TMer to make it 
 All About Us. 
 
 Triguna died. The Maharishi-invented days of silence 
 started. There is no relationship between the two events.
 When someone tries to create one, I think it is justified
 to ask Why?

I think the word auspicious is rather peculiar

1. Conducive to success; favourable
2. Giving or being a sign of future success.

Predicting the future except under very constrained conditions (say according 
our understanding of the laws of physics) seems to reduce the practical meaning 
of the word to a vague hope that things will turn out 'well'.

Why would it be auspicious to die on a particular day? The net result is the 
same. As the Lakotah native American warriors used to say 'It is a good day to 
die', when they were in a situation where death seemed very likely. It did not 
matter what the day, it was an attitude toward life.

'Auspicious' is a soothsayer term. Astrology for example. Astrology's record of 
predicting the future is about as profound as the ability of a lump of coal to 
predict the future. Astrology's ability to predict an event that has already 
happened from an event that happened before that, is miraculous, but that is 
just setting up a system. The test is predicting blind with the predicted event 
yet to happen. This is why science is a useful tool, and astrology is for 
entertainment purposes only.

Auspiciousness as a concept has no practical value, it is mental fluff that 
distracts from useful purpose and activity. Triguna is dead; how is 
'auspiciousness' going to change any fact or situation about this? An ayurvedic 
giant has passed away; how do we make this look good? Ah, its auspicious!

In the United States, it is auspicious to pay income tax before April 15th. But 
any idiot can figure out why.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Share Long]

It was not an official sign by the TMO.  There was no they involved.  The sign 
was put up by an anonymous someone on the bulletin 
board in the coat room of the women's Dome where other life transitions such as 
births and 
weddings and birthdays and anniversaries are announced.  That person was 
expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death occurring on Jan 1, the day 
when many are beginning the traditional week of silence.        

Yes, I know the world I inhabit.  And you do NOT know it, Turq.  You merely 
continue to project onto it your own unresolved stuff.  Stuff from decades ago. 
 Ok, I have unresolved stuff too.  But at least I have the good sense to 
recognize it and do something about it that I think is benficial.

For God's sake, man, get over the TMO already!  It's a new year and all that is 
ancient history.



 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:07 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how 
 auspicious it is that he passed on the first day of 
 silence in the new year.

OK, commenting not to be nasty or insulting or anything
like that, just to see whether you understand the nature
of the world you live in, you DO understand, do you not,
that they would have said the same thing if Paul McCartney
had died on this day, or David Lynch?

It's not about auspiciousness. It's about the TMO trying
to co-opt *everything* related to a famous TMer to make it 
All About Us. 

Triguna died. The Maharishi-invented days of silence 
started. There is no relationship between the two events.
When someone tries to create one, I think it is justified
to ask Why?


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[merudanda]

Maybe you need to break the rules sometime.LOL that's the bubbling
spirit
Triguna advised Chopra not only to sit silently each morning but

* chew his food slowly,
*  make sure his bowels move at the same time every day,
*  and eat skinned almonds slowly in the morning,too
What do you think listening and or watching a bit here and there from
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/331409
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/331409
would help, too?
Do you remember or have heard about the scene-events(I was there--)in
which  MMY said:Oh with bubbles?...and at a gas station during a tour in
Germany (mid 60s):May I try that bottle of  CocaCola?... [:D]
At the the end  of this post and New-Year-Wishes you may learn from the
old man in the second row how clapping hands stimulates pressure points
corresponding to organs and systems throughout the body,connects the
universe with the mind
and the music... and the music..

Happy New Year!ShareLong60
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHFf7NIwOHQfeature=player_detailpage#t=\
30s




So lets start 2013 Ohne Sorgen- without worries

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMKYfWgUCeY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMKYfWgUCeY
So keep clapping every day,..but Maybe you need to break the rules
sometime.
good  you are  around --can hear you clapping--
-or is it the one-only -angel-wing still patiently practicing waiting
the embracing
or am I
Who  hear  the laughter of this lovely butterfly,
and know now how the clouds taste like.
In the moonlight
undisturbed by fear
discover no explore the night?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how auspicious it is
that he passed on the first day of silence in the new year.
 Yes, may his soul be at peace and his family be comforted by memories
and life which continues right along.

 Her Triguna story from long ago:Â  he put his fingers on her pulse
and immediately she started thinking the word sex and was sure he could
hear her very loud thoughts but sigh, nothing to be done about it. 
He released her wrist as if scalded and said, Pure pitta.  End of
story (-:


 Another story:Â  a woman at MUM got sick and went to Triguna and
told him that she was doing everything that she's supposed to do,
etc.  He said, Maybe you need to break the rules sometime.Â



 
  From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:35 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes


 Â
 Padma Vibhushan Awardee Dr. BD Triguna, a giant in the field of
Ayurved, was 95 years and still active in the practice of Ayurved 
offering his consultancy to the panchkarma clinic in Khosla Hospital in
Delhi as well as some ayurveda hospitals in Germany and the USA run by
the Maharishi's organization. .
 He was a master of Ayurved pulse diagnosis. With him an era in Ayurved
practice has been lost.
 May God put his soul into peace and give courage to his family
including Triguna's son Devender, also a Padma Bhushan Awardee to bear
the loss.

 Deepak Chopra used to work as an interpreter for Dr. BD Triguna when
he went on world tours in the late '80s on Maharishi's invitation.
 Â Deepak showed interest and by and by picked up knowledge of
ayurveda.

 In his autobiography Return of the Rishi, Chopra showers  praise
on Triguna as the master physician.
 Â The Delhi-born doctor had his pulse read by Triguna and was told:
You think too many unnecessary thoughts. You are always trying to beat
a deadline.
 The prescription: Slow down. Watch more sunsets. Spend more time with
your wife and children.
 Seems he didn't took his advise to heart..


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:
 
 
  
   Trigunaji 1916- 1 Jan 2013
  
 
  Obit:
 
  Our most beloved great, great embodiment of Ayurveda - Padma
Bhushan Vaidya Brihaspati Dev Triguna-ji joined Maharishi-ji in the
Heavens today, January 1, 2013, evening time in Delhi. Maharishi used to
rise from his seat when Triguna-ji entered the Hall - a very rare sign
of reverence. Triguna-ji every so often presented Maharishi with the
Amrit Kalash, Nectar of of immortality, in a ceremonial way, giving it
to Maharishi to distribute it to everyone in the world. Triguna-ji was
profoundly revered by people from all walks of life around the world.
 
  Dr. Anand Shrivastava writes:
 
  Around Maharishi there were many great seers, called rishis in
Vedic wisdom. The very word Maharishi means the greatest of great
seers, one who sees truth.
 
  Of all the luminaries Maharishi gathered around him in the early
1980s to delve deep into the ayurvedic texts, there are three that he
honored as rishis in the field of ayurveda: Dr. B.D. Triguna, Dr.
Balaraj Maharishi, and Dr. Dwivedi. These three master vaidyas
(ayurvedic experts) are revered in India as custodians of this precious
knowledge of life, and they made many invaluable contributions

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to merudanda

[Share Long]

What does she think but that she could so easily, what with it being a new year 
and all, get another crush on the Shiva Shakti person called merudanda who was 
there with MMY in Germany in mid 60s when she was still in high school and of 
course still in love with her first love who attended the Joan Baez school for 
non violence in CA and became a real conscientious objector who did his 
military service working at a VA hospital in Boston.  She says all this because 
she isn't sure that she herself could ever be fascinating enough to entrance 
the mind and heart of such a Purusha Prakriti one winged one no matter how much 
clapping she does, no matter how much wing flapping, no matter if she breaks 
the rules and even drinks a Coke.  You see, she prefers Mug root beer or maybe 
a Sprite but mostly coconut water so yummy and decadent and healthy.  Such an 
irresistible combination those three.  Perfect for toasting a new any thing (-: 


PS  Since pittas are not famous for their ability to wait and or be patient, 
one can logically deduce the lack of such virtue in one even angelic one whom 
Trigunaji labeled PURE pitta.  She's just sayin (-:

Watching the conductor she understands why such members of the music world 
reportedly enjoy wonderful longevity.  It is a rousing march guaranteed to get 
the tamas guna moving.  Rajas she has plenty of.  Anything for sat guna, 
dearest bubbler?  



 From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 2:01 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes
 

  
Maybe you need to break the rules sometime.LOL that's the bubbling spirit
Triguna advised
Chopra not only to sit silently each morning but 

* chew his food slowly,
*  make sure his bowels
move at the same time every day,
*  and eat skinned almonds slowly
in the morning,tooWhat do you think listening and or watching a bit here and 
there from
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/331409 
would help, too?
Do you remember or have heard about the scene-events(I was there--)in which  
MMY said:Oh with bubbles?...and at a gas station during a tour in Germany (mid 
60s):May I try that bottle of  CocaCola?...
At the the end  of this post and New-Year-Wishes you may learn from the old man 
in the second row how clapping hands stimulates pressure points corresponding 
to organs and systems throughout the body,connects the universe with the mind
and the music... and the music..

Happy New Year!ShareLong60

So lets start 2013 Ohne Sorgen- without worries
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMKYfWgUCeYSo keep clapping every day,..but 
Maybe you need to break the rules sometime.
good  you are  around --can hear you clapping--
-or is it the one-only -angel-wing still patiently practicing waiting the 
embracing 
or am I
Who  hear  the laughter of this lovely
butterfly,
and know now how the clouds taste like.
In the moonlight
undisturbed by fear
discover no explore the night?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how auspicious it is that he 
 passed on the first day of silence in the new year.
 Yes, may his soul be at peace and his family be comforted by memories and 
 life which continues right along.
 
 Her Triguna story from long ago:  he put his fingers on her pulse and 
 immediately she started thinking the word sex and was sure he could hear her 
 very loud thoughts but sigh, nothing to be done about it.  He released her 
 wrist as if scalded and said, Pure pitta.  End of story (-:
 
 
 Another story:  a woman at MUM got sick and went to Triguna and told him 
 that she was doing everything that she's supposed to do, etc.  He said, 
 Maybe you need to break the rules sometime.  
 
 
 
 
  From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:35 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes
 
 
   
 Padma Vibhushan Awardee Dr. BD Triguna, a giant in the field of Ayurved, was 
 95 years and still active in the practice of Ayurved  offering his 
 consultancy to the panchkarma clinic in Khosla Hospital in Delhi as well as 
 some ayurveda hospitals in Germany and the USA run by the Maharishi's 
 organization. .
 He was a master of Ayurved pulse diagnosis. With him an era in Ayurved 
 practice has been lost. 
 May God put his soul into peace and give courage to his family including 
 Triguna's son Devender, also a Padma Bhushan Awardee to bear the loss.
 
 Deepak Chopra used to work as an interpreter for Dr. BD Triguna when he went 
 on world tours in the late '80s on Maharishi's invitation.
  Deepak showed interest and by and by picked up knowledge of ayurveda.
 
 In his autobiography Return of the Rishi, Chopra showers  praise on Triguna 
 as the master physician.
  The Delhi-born doctor had his pulse read by Triguna and was told: You

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to merudanda

[merudanda]

 [:]

Downward to the peaks
of himself looks up.

Heaven ablaze in his eyes

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 What does she think but that she could so easily, what with it being a
new year and all, get another crush on the Shiva Shakti person called
merudanda who was there with MMY in Germany in mid 60s when she was
still in high school and of course still in love with her first love who
attended the Joan Baez school for non violence in CA and became a real
conscientious objector who did his military service working at a VA
hospital in Boston.  She says all this because she isn't sure that
she herself could ever be fascinating enough to entrance the mind and
heart of such a Purusha Prakriti one winged one no matter how much
clapping she does, no matter how much wing flapping, no matter if she
breaks the rules and even drinks a Coke.  You see, she prefers Mug
root beer or maybe a Sprite but mostly coconut water so yummy and
decadent and healthy.  Such an irresistible combination those
three.  Perfect for toasting a new any thing (-:


 PSÂ  Since pittas are not famous for their ability to wait and or
be patient, one can logically deduce the lack of such virtue in one even
angelic one whom Trigunaji labeled PURE pitta.  She's just sayin (-:

 Watching the conductor she understands why such members of the music
world reportedly enjoy wonderful longevity.  It is a rousing march
guaranteed to get the tamas guna moving.  Rajas she has plenty
of.  Anything for sat guna, dearest bubbler?Â


 
  From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 2:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes


 Â
 Maybe you need to break the rules sometime.LOL that's the bubbling
spirit
 Triguna advised
 Chopra not only to sit silently each morning but

  * chew his food slowly,
  * Â make sure his bowels
 move at the same time every day,
  * Â and eat skinned almonds slowly
 in the morning,tooWhat do you think listening and or watching a bit
here and there from
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/331409Â
 would help, too?
 Do you remember or have heard about the scene-events(I was there--)in
which  MMY said:Oh with bubbles?...and at a gas station during a
tour in Germany (mid 60s):May I try that bottle of  CocaCola?...
 At the the end  of this post and New-Year-Wishes you may learn
from the old man in the second row how clapping hands stimulates
pressure points corresponding to organs and systems throughout the
body,connects the universe with the mind
 and the music... and the music..

 Happy New Year!ShareLong60

 So lets start 2013 Ohne Sorgen- without worries
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMKYfWgUCeYSo keep clapping every
day,..but Maybe you need to break the rules sometime.
 good  you are  around --can hear you clapping--
 -or is it the one-only -angel-wing still patiently practicing waiting
the embracing
 or am I
 Who  hear  the laughter of this lovely
 butterfly,
 and know now how the clouds taste like.
 In the moonlight
 undisturbed by fear
 discover no explore the night?

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
 
  There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how auspicious it is
that he passed on the first day of silence in the new year.
  Yes, may his soul be at peace and his family be comforted by
memories and life which continues right along.
 
  Her Triguna story from long ago:  he put his fingers on her
pulse and immediately she started thinking the word sex and was sure he
could hear her very loud thoughts but sigh, nothing to be done about
it.  He released her wrist as if scalded and said, Pure
pitta.  End of story (-:
 
 
  Another story:  a woman at MUM got sick and went to Triguna
and told him that she was doing everything that she's supposed to do,
etc.  He said, Maybe you need to break the rules
sometime.ÂÂ
 
 
 
  
   From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:35 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes
 
 
  ÂÂ
  Padma Vibhushan Awardee Dr. BD Triguna, a giant in the field of
Ayurved, was 95 years and still active in the practice of AyurvedÂÂ
offering his consultancy to the panchkarma clinic in Khosla Hospital in
Delhi as well as some ayurveda hospitals in Germany and the USA run by
the Maharishi's organization. .
  He was a master of Ayurved pulse diagnosis. With him an era in
Ayurved practice has been lost.
  May God put his soul into peace and give courage to his family
including Triguna's son Devender, also a Padma Bhushan Awardee to bear
the loss.
 
  Deepak Chopra used to work as an interpreter for Dr. BD Triguna when
he went on world tours in the late '80s on Maharishi's invitation.
   Deepak showed interest and by and by picked up knowledge of
ayurveda.
 
  In his autobiography Return

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to merudanda

[merudanda]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
snip
Anything for sat guna, dearest bubbler?
Isn't sattva  the rose flower itself the beauty, crystalline clarity,
love, joy, light, perfection ? You may see that the Großer Saal
(Large Hall) known as well as The Golden Hall of the Musikverein Vienna
(Since 1980 the flowers that decorate the hall have been a gift from the
city of Sanremo, Liguria, Italy)is almost embedded in this sattvic state
in the beauty of  flowers,roses,tulips etc beyond words. You may
envision this sattvic state,where the soul silently radiates the divine
energy that flows through its presence while listen to the music and
watching the dances.

  [http://egiptulblog.yolasite.com/resources/filarmonica.jpg]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcsWpTASEoc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcsWpTASEoc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZ4Jf1wN1A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZ4Jf1wN1A

 
[https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/c101.0.403.403/p\
403x403/206712_413892078688607_928865671_n.jpg]
Isn't  Sat  the power that impelled the rose to grow into its perfect
state of blossoming as loveliness?
   May your Sat  be the fragrance of the rose, the ethereal and divine
energy field of entrancing blissful contentment-the all-satisfying love
transmitted by the nectarine fragrance of the divine essence--and may it
will entrance your consciousness into  the final consummation of the
eternal dance of Anuttara and you are both the dancer and the dance

 
  From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 2:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes


 Â
 Maybe you need to break the rules sometime.LOL that's the bubbling
spirit
 Triguna advised
 Chopra not only to sit silently each morning but

  * chew his food slowly,
  * Â make sure his bowels
 move at the same time every day,
  * Â and eat skinned almonds slowly
 in the morning,tooWhat do you think listening and or watching a bit
here and there from
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/331409Â
 would help, too?
 Do you remember or have heard about the scene-events(I was there--)in
which  MMY said:Oh with bubbles?...and at a gas station during a
tour in Germany (mid 60s):May I try that bottle of  CocaCola?...
 At the the end  of this post and New-Year-Wishes you may learn
from the old man in the second row how clapping hands stimulates
pressure points corresponding to organs and systems throughout the
body,connects the universe with the mind
 and the music... and the music..

 Happy New Year!ShareLong60

 So lets start 2013 Ohne Sorgen- without worries
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMKYfWgUCeYSo keep clapping every
day,..but Maybe you need to break the rules sometime.
 good  you are  around --can hear you clapping--
 -or is it the one-only -angel-wing still patiently practicing waiting
the embracing
 or am I
 Who  hear  the laughter of this lovely
 butterfly,
 and know now how the clouds taste like.
 In the moonlight
 undisturbed by fear
 discover no explore the night?

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
 
  There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how auspicious it is
that he passed on the first day of silence in the new year.
  Yes, may his soul be at peace and his family be comforted by
memories and life which continues right along.
 
  Her Triguna story from long ago:  he put his fingers on her
pulse and immediately she started thinking the word sex and was sure he
could hear her very loud thoughts but sigh, nothing to be done about
it.  He released her wrist as if scalded and said, Pure
pitta.  End of story (-:
 
 
  Another story:  a woman at MUM got sick and went to Triguna
and told him that she was doing everything that she's supposed to do,
etc.  He said, Maybe you need to break the rules
sometime.ÂÂ
 
 
 
  
   From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:35 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes
 
 
  ÂÂ
  Padma Vibhushan Awardee Dr. BD Triguna, a giant in the field of
Ayurved, was 95 years and still active in the practice of AyurvedÂÂ
offering his consultancy to the panchkarma clinic in Khosla Hospital in
Delhi as well as some ayurveda hospitals in Germany and the USA run by
the Maharishi's organization. .
  He was a master of Ayurved pulse diagnosis. With him an era in
Ayurved practice has been lost.
  May God put his soul into peace and give courage to his family
including Triguna's son Devender, also a Padma Bhushan Awardee to bear
the loss.
 
  Deepak Chopra used to work as an interpreter for Dr. BD Triguna when
he went on world tours in the late '80s on Maharishi's invitation.
   Deepak showed interest and by and by picked up knowledge of
ayurveda.
 
  In his autobiography Return of the Rishi, Chopra showers 
praise on Triguna

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:


 
 Yes, I know the world I inhabit.  And you do NOT know it, Turq.  You merely 
 continue to project onto it your own unresolved stuff.  Stuff from decades 
 ago.  Ok, I have unresolved stuff too.  But at least I have the good sense 
 to recognize it and do something about it that I think is benficial.
 
 For God's sake, man, get over the TMO already!  It's a new year and all that 
 is ancient history.



He can't get over Maharishi, simply can't. Even more than 40 years since he did 
a stint in the Movement, even studying with other teachers and becoming a 
Buddhist cannot erase the memory of the TMO and Maharishi to such a extent that 
he still today, decades after he last saw a video of Maharishi uses the 
majority of his 50 alotted posts here to try to trash the only real Saint he 
was ever within a mile of. 

What an everlasting impression Maharishi must have done to this poor soul !

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:

  Yes, I know the world I inhabit.  And you do NOT know it, Turq.  You 
  merely continue to project onto it your own unresolved stuff.  Stuff from 
  decades ago.  Ok, I have unresolved stuff too.  But at least I have the 
  good sense to recognize it and do something about it that I think is 
  benficial.
  
  For God's sake, man, get over the TMO already!  It's a new year and all 
  that is ancient history.
 
 He can't get over Maharishi, simply can't. Even more than 40 years since he 
 did a stint in the Movement, even studying with other teachers and becoming 
 a Buddhist cannot erase the memory of the TMO and Maharishi to such a extent 
 that he still today, decades after he last saw a video of Maharishi uses the 
 majority of his 50 alotted posts here to try to trash the only real Saint he 
 was ever within a mile of. 
 
 What an everlasting impression Maharishi must have done to this poor soul !

Well, now you know how TM transforms a person's life! You can add it to the 
list of movement successes. This is actually a very important observation. Why 
do a proportion of people who practice TM end up doing what turquoiseb does? 
The organisation seems to studiously avoid follow-up of its programs to find 
out how it actually works out with everyone. The only study I have seen that 
followed up indicated that only 20% of learners meditated regularly, and a 
similar proportion on occasion, and the rest stopped. In my case I did not 
stop, but lately, the last two or three years or so, due to the changes in the 
quality of my experience, the structure of my meditations has been 
spontaneously morphing so that, in the strictest sense of its process, I am not 
doing TM that much anymore, but I still meditate.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 It was not an official sign by the TMO.  There was no they involved. The 
 sign was put up by an anonymous someone on the bulletin 
 board in the coat room of the women's Dome where other life transitions such 
 as births and 
 weddings and birthdays and anniversaries are announced.  That person was 
 expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death occurring on Jan 1, the 
 day when many are beginning the traditional week of silence.        
 
 Yes, I know the world I inhabit.  And you do NOT know it, Turq.  You merely 
 continue to project onto it your own unresolved stuff.  Stuff from decades 
 ago.  Ok, I have unresolved stuff too.  But at least I have the good sense 
 to recognize it and do something about it that I think is benficial.
 
 For God's sake, man, get over the TMO already!  It's a new year and all that 
 is ancient history.

Now Share, I also made a post commenting on this. What would you say to me 
concerning my negative post? (Assuming you read it, of course.)

Is Turq just an all around bad guy, or is he using FFL to work out issues? Is 
he a crusader against an evil empire, or a lost soul gasping for release? Does 
TM always succeed, and if not, why? Maybe he is just practicing writing in his 
spare time, this is what he does for a living. Because Turq does not fess up to 
issues he may have with his life, that leaves us guessing. 

When you cannot figure something out, you become vulnerable to imagination, 
wishful thinking, when you lack discipline (like me), and begin to make up all 
sorts of things about people and why they do what they do, things that exist 
only in the head, in the mind. We interpret events differently when people are 
involved. 

If Turq came by and dropped a heavy rock on your foot, you might have a 
different interpretation of the event than if a rock broke free from a natural 
embankment and fell on your foot. Yet both events are events in nature; we 
interpret the event in proximity to a human differently because we make the 
assumption a human is an agent with an intentional stance, that the agent is in 
some way in operational control of how the universe proceeds, is an intentional 
agent. We blame the human.

This is hard to do with a rock falling down a hill. There you have to blame 
God, if that is how you think the universe runs, and people have an aversion to 
crediting God with everything that happens even when that is logically how the 
concept works (omniscience and omnipotence). If you do not believe this way, 
then it just happened that way, and perhaps you say 'damn stupid rock', and 
then go about what is next.

Assuming these two rock events happened, the commonality between them is just 
they both happened, and then certain things follow, namely thinking about why 
they happened, and getting medical attention perhaps. This is the nature of 
life. 

Things happen, and then other things happen, and perhaps we think about those 
things. This goes on until we stop, when the body stop functioning. This is how 
life goes, the world is here; there is a body in the world that the mind 
associated with the body calls 'me'. Things happen, then other things happen. 
The mind thinks, interprets what happens. This goes on. Isn't life simple?

Is Turq projecting, or pretending to project? Do you want to 'heal' him? When I 
first came on the forum, I tried to figure Turq out. I don't do that anymore 
(or much anyway). I tried to figure out Judy. That did not work out either. Now 
I just write and enjoy the process.

Even if the TMO did not post that message about Triguna, it sounds like 
something that ol' stupid TMO would do, or what someone, similarly 
brainwashed would follow up with. There is a lot of brainwashing in spiritual 
movements; some deliberate, but a lot just comes with the territory, and 
everyone is unaware that is what is going on. Maybe Turq is prying himself out 
of these mental cages - Oh damn, there I am projecting!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
   Yes, I know the world I inhabit.  And you do NOT know it, Turq.  You 
   merely continue to project onto it your own unresolved stuff.  Stuff 
   from decades ago.  Ok, I have unresolved stuff too.  But at least I 
   have the good sense to recognize it and do something about it that I 
   think is benficial.
   
   For God's sake, man, get over the TMO already!  It's a new year and all 
   that is ancient history.
  
  He can't get over Maharishi, simply can't. Even more than 40 years since he 
  did a stint in the Movement, even studying with other teachers and 
  becoming a Buddhist cannot erase the memory of the TMO and Maharishi to 
  such a extent that he still today, decades after he last saw a video of 
  Maharishi uses the majority of his 50 alotted posts here to try to trash 
  the only real Saint he was ever within a mile of. 
  
  What an everlasting impression Maharishi must have done to this poor soul !
 
 Well, now you know how TM transforms a person's life! You can add it to the 
 list of movement successes. This is actually a very important observation. 
 Why do a proportion of people who practice TM end up doing what turquoiseb 
 does?

Interesting question. 0.1 % ? His hate is unique. Perhaps, and this is only 
a theory ofcourse; the success of the Movement in countries formerly dominated 
by Buddhism is one factor. Another is that people obviously are popping in to 
CC due to long-term practise of TM. The Turq is no fool even though he behaves 
like one, he is aware of this success and it reminds him that his life was 
wasted in wasting time making him an angry and bitter old man. 
Add to the support for David Lynch from a galaxy of Hollywood celebrities and 
famous directors (many of whom have not yet stepped forward) and the salt is 
just being rubbed into his open wounds. And I haven't even mentioned the 8000 
school-children now doing YF in Central America with perhaps as many as 29000 
will practise within the end of this year...

 The organisation seems to studiously avoid follow-up of its programs to find 
out how it actually works out with everyone. The only study I have seen that 
followed up indicated that only 20% of learners meditated regularly, and a 
similar proportion on occasion, and the rest stopped.

Perhaps, perhaps not. Noone really studied this probably because it is far more 
interesting to focus on the possibilities and new, younger generations. There 
will always be people who stop TM, like stopping any other practise, for a 
zillion of reasons.


 In my case I did not stop, but lately, the last two or three years or so, due 
to the changes in the quality of my experience, the structure of my meditations 
has been spontaneously morphing so that, in the strictest sense of its process, 
I am not doing TM that much anymore, but I still meditate.

Perhaps something good is happening ? If you doubt what is happening why not 
consult someone you trust. There is a Dr.Dumbass here who seems to be pretty 
much in the know of many things pertaining to the growth of higher states of 
consciousness, why not discuss it with him ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how 
  auspicious it is that he passed on the first day of 
  silence in the new year.
 
 OK, commenting not to be nasty or insulting or anything
 like that, just to see whether you understand the nature
 of the world you live in, you DO understand, do you not,
 that they would have said the same thing if Paul McCartney
 had died on this day, or David Lynch?
 
 It's not about auspiciousness. It's about the TMO trying
 to co-opt *everything* related to a famous TMer to make it 
 All About Us. 
 
 Triguna died. The Maharishi-invented days of silence 
 started. There is no relationship between the two events.
 When someone tries to create one, I think it is justified
 to ask Why?

There IS a relationship only insofar as two things happened on the same day. 
Other than that it would be a stretch, in my opinion, to believe that he waited 
to die or was ordained to die on the same day as the first day of silence 
(whatever that is) and that that would be somehow auspicious. I also agree that 
the question why is not asked often enough. It seems there are a lot of 
'faithful' at FFL; not that it is a bad thing but I prefer faith tempered with 
a healthy dose of questioning.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to merudanda

[Ann]

Cyber flirtation - fascinating.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 What does she think but that she could so easily, what with it being a new 
 year and all, get another crush on the Shiva Shakti person called merudanda 
 who was there with MMY in Germany in mid 60s when she was still in high 
 school and of course still in love with her first love who attended the Joan 
 Baez school for non violence in CA and became a real conscientious objector 
 who did his military service working at a VA hospital in Boston.  She says 
 all this because she isn't sure that she herself could ever be fascinating 
 enough to entrance the mind and heart of such a Purusha Prakriti one winged 
 one no matter how much clapping she does, no matter how much wing flapping, 
 no matter if she breaks the rules and even drinks a Coke.  You see, she 
 prefers Mug root beer or maybe a Sprite but mostly coconut water so yummy and 
 decadent and healthy.  Such an irresistible combination those three.  
 Perfect for toasting a new any thing (-: 
 
 
 PS  Since pittas are not famous for their ability to wait and or be patient, 
 one can logically deduce the lack of such virtue in one even angelic one whom 
 Trigunaji labeled PURE pitta.  She's just sayin (-:
 
 Watching the conductor she understands why such members of the music world 
 reportedly enjoy wonderful longevity.  It is a rousing march guaranteed to 
 get the tamas guna moving.  Rajas she has plenty of.  Anything for sat 
 guna, dearest bubbler?  
 
 
 
  From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 2:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes
  
 
   
 Maybe you need to break the rules sometime.LOL that's the bubbling spirit
 Triguna advised
 Chopra not only to sit silently each morning but 
 
   * chew his food slowly,
   *  make sure his bowels
 move at the same time every day,
   *  and eat skinned almonds slowly
 in the morning,tooWhat do you think listening and or watching a bit here and 
 there from
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/331409 
 would help, too?
 Do you remember or have heard about the scene-events(I was there--)in which  
 MMY said:Oh with bubbles?...and at a gas station during a tour in Germany 
 (mid 60s):May I try that bottle of  CocaCola?...
 At the the end  of this post and New-Year-Wishes you may learn from the old 
 man in the second row how clapping hands stimulates pressure points 
 corresponding to organs and systems throughout the body,connects the universe 
 with the mind
 and the music... and the music..
 
 Happy New Year!ShareLong60
 
 So lets start 2013 Ohne Sorgen- without worries
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMKYfWgUCeYSo keep clapping every day,..but 
 Maybe you need to break the rules sometime.
 good  you are  around --can hear you clapping--
 -or is it the one-only -angel-wing still patiently practicing waiting the 
 embracing 
 or am I
 Who  hear  the laughter of this lovely
 butterfly,
 and know now how the clouds taste like.
 In the moonlight
 undisturbed by fear
 discover no explore the night?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
 
  There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how auspicious it is that he 
  passed on the first day of silence in the new year.
  Yes, may his soul be at peace and his family be comforted by memories and 
  life which continues right along.
  
  Her Triguna story from long ago:  he put his fingers on her pulse and 
  immediately she started thinking the word sex and was sure he could hear 
  her very loud thoughts but sigh, nothing to be done about it.  He 
  released her wrist as if scalded and said, Pure pitta.  End of story 
  (-:
  
  
  Another story:  a woman at MUM got sick and went to Triguna and told him 
  that she was doing everything that she's supposed to do, etc.  He said, 
  Maybe you need to break the rules sometime.  
  
  
  
  
   From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:35 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes
  
  
    
  Padma Vibhushan Awardee Dr. BD Triguna, a giant in the field of Ayurved, 
  was 95 years and still active in the practice of Ayurved  offering his 
  consultancy to the panchkarma clinic in Khosla Hospital in Delhi as well as 
  some ayurveda hospitals in Germany and the USA run by the Maharishi's 
  organization. .
  He was a master of Ayurved pulse diagnosis. With him an era in Ayurved 
  practice has been lost. 
  May God put his soul into peace and give courage to his family including 
  Triguna's son Devender, also a Padma Bhushan Awardee to bear the loss.
  
  Deepak Chopra used to work as an interpreter for Dr. BD Triguna when he 
  went on world tours in the late '80s on Maharishi's invitation

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  It was not an official sign by the TMO.  There was no they involved. The 
  sign was put up by an anonymous someone on the bulletin 
  board in the coat room of the women's Dome where other life transitions 
  such as births and 
  weddings and birthdays and anniversaries are announced.  That person was 
  expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death occurring on Jan 1, the 
  day when many are beginning the traditional week of silence.        
  
  Yes, I know the world I inhabit.  And you do NOT know it, Turq.  You 
  merely continue to project onto it your own unresolved stuff.  Stuff from 
  decades ago.  Ok, I have unresolved stuff too.  But at least I have the 
  good sense to recognize it and do something about it that I think is 
  benficial.
  
  For God's sake, man, get over the TMO already!  It's a new year and all 
  that is ancient history.
 
 Now Share, I also made a post commenting on this. What would you say to me 
 concerning my negative post? (Assuming you read it, of course.)
 
 Is Turq just an all around bad guy, or is he using FFL to work out issues? Is 
 he a crusader against an evil empire, or a lost soul gasping for release? 
 Does TM always succeed, and if not, why? Maybe he is just practicing writing 
 in his spare time, this is what he does for a living. Because Turq does not 
 fess up to issues he may have with his life, that leaves us guessing. 
 
 When you cannot figure something out, you become vulnerable to imagination, 
 wishful thinking, when you lack discipline (like me), and begin to make up 
 all sorts of things about people and why they do what they do, things that 
 exist only in the head, in the mind. We interpret events differently when 
 people are involved. 
 
 If Turq came by and dropped a heavy rock on your foot, you might have a 
 different interpretation of the event than if a rock broke free from a 
 natural embankment and fell on your foot. Yet both events are events in 
 nature; we interpret the event in proximity to a human differently because we 
 make the assumption a human is an agent with an intentional stance, that the 
 agent is in some way in operational control of how the universe proceeds, is 
 an intentional agent. We blame the human.
 
 This is hard to do with a rock falling down a hill. There you have to blame 
 God, if that is how you think the universe runs, and people have an aversion 
 to crediting God with everything that happens even when that is logically how 
 the concept works (omniscience and omnipotence). If you do not believe this 
 way, then it just happened that way, and perhaps you say 'damn stupid rock', 
 and then go about what is next.
 
 Assuming these two rock events happened, the commonality between them is just 
 they both happened, and then certain things follow, namely thinking about why 
 they happened, and getting medical attention perhaps. This is the nature of 
 life. 
 
 Things happen, and then other things happen, and perhaps we think about those 
 things. This goes on until we stop, when the body stop functioning. This is 
 how life goes, the world is here; there is a body in the world that the mind 
 associated with the body calls 'me'. Things happen, then other things happen. 
 The mind thinks, interprets what happens. This goes on. Isn't life simple?
 
 Is Turq projecting, or pretending to project? Do you want to 'heal' him? When 
 I first came on the forum, I tried to figure Turq out. I don't do that 
 anymore (or much anyway). I tried to figure out Judy. That did not work out 
 either. Now I just write and enjoy the process.
 
 Even if the TMO did not post that message about Triguna, it sounds like 
 something that ol' stupid TMO would do, or what someone, similarly 
 brainwashed would follow up with. There is a lot of brainwashing in spiritual 
 movements; some deliberate, but a lot just comes with the territory, and 
 everyone is unaware that is what is going on. Maybe Turq is prying himself 
 out of these mental cages - Oh damn, there I am projecting!

I liked this post Xeno. You seemed to be working things out as you wrote which 
is what I do as well. Or maybe you didn't but it seemed that way. I find that 
sometimes I think I have an idea of what I am going to write, sit down to write 
it and all of a sudden new ideas and 'takes' on what I was addressing emerge 
and it fills out or morphs into something else.  Kind of like when I go to make 
bread and it turns out to be quiche lorraine instead.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Xeno

[Share Long]

dear Xeno, I read all your posts because I enjoy doing so.  I currently have 6 
posts of yours to answer including this one.  I hope you won't mind if I 
attempt to answer the remaining 5 in one post.  But actually I did a little 
reply to you in my post below to Turq with the last sentence of the first 
paragraph:  That person was expressing their opinion about Triguna's death 
occurring...  I was responding to what you said about the word auspicious.  

Anyway, I really liked what you said about the world being crazy but spiritual 
seeking being even crazier.  But I want to read that whole post again before I 
say more.  In fact I need to reread all 5 of your other posts.  Thanks for 
being patient.  If that's what you're being (-:

oh Xeno, I don't think anyone on FFL is an all around bad person.  I've said so 
a bazillion times:  we're all a mix of positive and negative yada yada.  And I 
don't know why your negativity generally doesn't upset me.  Somehow you usually 
sound so fair and balanced.  Maybe that's it.  This observation that some 
people upset me and some do not has been bewildering me in a good way for a few 
weeks.  I've wanted to ask your opinion about it when you brought up the angle 
of perception.  BTW I agree with what you've said recently about that.

Anyway, I know this sounds really weird but somehow I feel safe getting upset 
with Turq.  I feel like I can let off some steam with him.  For one thing, he 
almost never replies to a reply of mine, upset or not (-:

When you ask me if I want to heal Turq I feel laughter bubbling up.  The idea 
seems so ludicrous.  I don't really understand why it seems that way.  I guess 
I see him as being very comfortable in his life.  Sort of beyond even the 
concept of healing, etc.  Except about the TMO.  He seems reasonable so often 
about other topics.  I simply don't understand why the TMO upsets him after so 
many decades of no involvement in it.  

Sometimes my reaction is simply oh that's just Turq being Turq.  But sometimes 
my reaction is more than that.  I don't really understand all the ins and outs 
of my reactions on FFL.  Very often I just read and respond in a flow.  Control 
comes into play as I keep track of my number of posts.  But otherwise, my 
responding is pretty spontaneous.  

OTOH, slowly but surely I'm acquiring an attitude similar to yours about FFL.  
To simply enjoy the process of participating.  At least that's one of my new 
year's resolutions (-:       


More later.  You make me think.  I'm grateful.



 From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 4:57 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 It was not an official sign by the TMO.  There was no they involved. The 
 sign was put up by an anonymous someone on the bulletin 
 board in the coat room of the women's Dome where other life transitions such 
 as births and 
 weddings and birthdays and anniversaries are announced.  That person was 
 expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death occurring on Jan 1, the 
 day when many are beginning the traditional week of silence.        
 
 Yes, I know the world I inhabit.  And you do NOT know it, Turq.  You merely 
 continue to project onto it your own unresolved stuff.  Stuff from decades 
 ago.  Ok, I have unresolved stuff too.  But at least I have the good sense 
 to recognize it and do something about it that I think is benficial.
 
 For God's sake, man, get over the TMO already!  It's a new year and all that 
 is ancient history.

Now Share, I also made a post commenting on this. What would you say to me 
concerning my negative post? (Assuming you read it, of course.)

Is Turq just an all around bad guy, or is he using FFL to work out issues? Is 
he a crusader against an evil empire, or a lost soul gasping for release? Does 
TM always succeed, and if not, why? Maybe he is just practicing writing in his 
spare time, this is what he does for a living. Because Turq does not fess up to 
issues he may have with his life, that leaves us guessing. 

When you cannot figure something out, you become vulnerable to imagination, 
wishful thinking, when you lack discipline (like me), and begin to make up all 
sorts of things about people and why they do what they do, things that exist 
only in the head, in the mind. We interpret events differently when people are 
involved. 

If Turq came by and dropped a heavy rock on your foot, you might have a 
different interpretation of the event than if a rock broke free from a natural 
embankment and fell on your foot. Yet both events are events in nature; we 
interpret the event in proximity to a human differently because we make the 
assumption a human is an agent with an intentional stance, that the agent is in 
some way in operational control of how the universe proceeds

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ 
 wrote:

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   It was not an official sign by the TMO.  There was no they involved. The 
   sign was put up by an anonymous someone on the bulletin 
   board in the coat room of the women's Dome where other life transitions 
   such as births and 
   weddings and birthdays and anniversaries are announced.  That person was 
   expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death occurring on Jan 1, 
   the day when many are beginning the traditional week of silence.      
     
   
   Yes, I know the world I inhabit.  And you do NOT know it, Turq.  You 
   merely continue to project onto it your own unresolved stuff.  Stuff 
   from decades ago.  Ok, I have unresolved stuff too.  But at least I 
   have the good sense to recognize it and do something about it that I 
   think is benficial.
   
   For God's sake, man, get over the TMO already!  It's a new year and all 
   that is ancient history.
  
  Now Share, I also made a post commenting on this. What would you say to me 
  concerning my negative post? (Assuming you read it, of course.)
  
  Is Turq just an all around bad guy, or is he using FFL to work out issues? 
  Is he a crusader against an evil empire, or a lost soul gasping for 
  release? Does TM always succeed, and if not, why? Maybe he is just 
  practicing writing in his spare time, this is what he does for a living. 
  Because Turq does not fess up to issues he may have with his life, that 
  leaves us guessing. 
  
  When you cannot figure something out, you become vulnerable to imagination, 
  wishful thinking, when you lack discipline (like me), and begin to make up 
  all sorts of things about people and why they do what they do, things that 
  exist only in the head, in the mind. We interpret events differently when 
  people are involved. 
  
  If Turq came by and dropped a heavy rock on your foot, you might have a 
  different interpretation of the event than if a rock broke free from a 
  natural embankment and fell on your foot. Yet both events are events in 
  nature; we interpret the event in proximity to a human differently because 
  we make the assumption a human is an agent with an intentional stance, that 
  the agent is in some way in operational control of how the universe 
  proceeds, is an intentional agent. We blame the human.
  
  This is hard to do with a rock falling down a hill. There you have to blame 
  God, if that is how you think the universe runs, and people have an 
  aversion to crediting God with everything that happens even when that is 
  logically how the concept works (omniscience and omnipotence). If you do 
  not believe this way, then it just happened that way, and perhaps you say 
  'damn stupid rock', and then go about what is next.
  
  Assuming these two rock events happened, the commonality between them is 
  just they both happened, and then certain things follow, namely thinking 
  about why they happened, and getting medical attention perhaps. This is the 
  nature of life. 
  
  Things happen, and then other things happen, and perhaps we think about 
  those things. This goes on until we stop, when the body stop functioning. 
  This is how life goes, the world is here; there is a body in the world that 
  the mind associated with the body calls 'me'. Things happen, then other 
  things happen. The mind thinks, interprets what happens. This goes on. 
  Isn't life simple?
  
  Is Turq projecting, or pretending to project? Do you want to 'heal' him? 
  When I first came on the forum, I tried to figure Turq out. I don't do that 
  anymore (or much anyway). I tried to figure out Judy. That did not work out 
  either. Now I just write and enjoy the process.
  
  Even if the TMO did not post that message about Triguna, it sounds like 
  something that ol' stupid TMO would do, or what someone, similarly 
  brainwashed would follow up with. There is a lot of brainwashing in 
  spiritual movements; some deliberate, but a lot just comes with the 
  territory, and everyone is unaware that is what is going on. Maybe Turq is 
  prying himself out of these mental cages - Oh damn, there I am projecting!
 
 I liked this post Xeno. You seemed to be working things out as you wrote 
 which is what I do as well. Or maybe you didn't but it seemed that way. I 
 find that sometimes I think I have an idea of what I am going to write, sit 
 down to write it and all of a sudden new ideas and 'takes' on what I was 
 addressing emerge and it fills out or morphs into something else.  Kind of 
 like when I go to make bread and it turns out to be quiche lorraine instead.
 

Ann

Yes, one thing leads to another. That is how the mind spins its tales. 
Everything in the universe is related in some way, so it is always possible a 
connexion will make an 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Alex Stanley]

He shoots, he scores!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Share Long]

Yay!  Go team go (-:





 From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 8:52 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq
 

  


He shoots, he scores!


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Xeno

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 dear Xeno, I read all your posts because I enjoy doing so.  I currently have 
 6 posts of yours to answer including this one.  I hope you won't mind if I 
 attempt to answer the remaining 5 in one post.  But actually I did a little 
 reply to you in my post below to Turq with the last sentence of the first 
 paragraph:  That person was expressing their opinion about Triguna's death 
 occurring...  I was responding to what you said about the word auspicious. 
  
 
 Anyway, I really liked what you said about the world being crazy but 
 spiritual seeking being even crazier.  But I want to read that whole post 
 again before I say more.  In fact I need to reread all 5 of your other 
 posts.  Thanks for being patient.  If that's what you're being (-:
 
 oh Xeno, I don't think anyone on FFL is an all around bad person.  I've said 
 so a bazillion times:  we're all a mix of positive and negative yada yada.  
 And I don't know why your negativity generally doesn't upset me.  Somehow 
 you usually sound so fair and balanced.  Maybe that's it.  This observation 
 that some people upset me and some do not has been bewildering me in a good 
 way for a few weeks.  I've wanted to ask your opinion about it when you 
 brought up the angle of perception.  BTW I agree with what you've said 
 recently about that.
 
 Anyway, I know this sounds really weird but somehow I feel safe getting upset 
 with Turq.  I feel like I can let off some steam with him.  For one thing, 
 he almost never replies to a reply of mine, upset or not (-:
 
 When you ask me if I want to heal Turq I feel laughter bubbling up.  The 
 idea seems so ludicrous.  I don't really understand why it seems that way.  
 I guess I see him as being very comfortable in his life.  Sort of beyond 
 even the concept of healing, etc.  Except about the TMO.  He seems 
 reasonable so often about other topics.  I simply don't understand why the 
 TMO upsets him after so many decades of no involvement in it.  
 
 Sometimes my reaction is simply oh that's just Turq being Turq.  But 
 sometimes my reaction is more than that.  I don't really understand all the 
 ins and outs of my reactions on FFL.  Very often I just read and respond in 
 a flow.  Control comes into play as I keep track of my number of posts.  
 But otherwise, my responding is pretty spontaneous.  
 
 OTOH, slowly but surely I'm acquiring an attitude similar to yours about 
 FFL.  To simply enjoy the process of participating.  At least that's one of 
 my new year's resolutions (-:       
 
 More later.  You make me think.  I'm grateful.

Share,

Perhaps Turq is not actually upset, perhaps you experience, maybe not overtly, 
a method in his expressions. I do, and I do not attribute the custodian of hell 
as his inspiration. If you do not get upset, that just means those nervous 
system buttons are inactive, you are seeing through the oppositions in a 
situation and sensing Being in some way, or just being Being. Spiritual 
discourse can be incredibly presumptuous and pompous. Look at the stuff I write.

FFL seems kind of like those old electric bumper cars you see in old amusement 
parks, chaotically crashing into one another, or sometimes sliding in parallel 
with others.

The truth of spiritual practice and discourse is not what is done or said, but 
how it affects people and how people sense, between the lines, what is actually 
being said. There is a lot of superficiality in this business, and you have to 
be able to weed it out. On the level of intellect, spiritual talk is logically 
contradictory and often fuzzy, opaque. 

What is said has to get you to think for yourself. If you rely on others, 
ultimately you will not succeed in this - you need them to start you off, and 
then as you drift to the other shore (which is really not an other shore) you 
have to have the sense to observe when to paddle, when to drift, when to travel 
along with someone, when to push off alone again. In the end it is not about 
them, it is about what you are, in essence, that you are working to know. 

That means as some point everything else except that essence has to go. That 
does not mean being silent, the silence and the activity of life have to fuse 
so that you cannot tell them apart. In the beginning we cannot tell them apart 
either, but in the end, when they are defined in experience so to speak, and 
come back together and become whole, you know there is no further to go, there 
are no options left to grasp or understand about it, and the search ends.

Then for the first time in your life, you get to figure out what to do next, 
without anyone to lean on for understanding, to figure out how to live, and 
express if you choose, what you found out.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[seventhray27]

I love everything about this post.  Ann, this is how an arrow hits the
target and penetrates the bullseye.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:

 It was not an official sign by the TMO.  There was no they
involved.  The sign was put up by an anonymous someone on the
bulletin
 board in the coat room of the women's Dome where other life
transitions such as births and
 weddings and birthdays and anniversaries are announced.  That
person was expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death occurring
on Jan 1, the day when many are beginning the traditional week of
silence. Â  Â  Â Â

 Yes, I know the world I inhabit.  And you do NOT know it,
Turq.  You merely continue to project onto it your own unresolved
stuff.  Stuff from decades ago.  Ok, I have unresolved stuff
too.  But at least I have the good sense to recognize it and do
something about it that I think is benficial.

 For God's sake, man, get over the TMO already!  It's a new year
and all that is ancient history.


 
 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:07 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes


 Â
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how
  auspicious it is that he passed on the first day of
  silence in the new year.

 OK, commenting not to be nasty or insulting or anything
 like that, just to see whether you understand the nature
 of the world you live in, you DO understand, do you not,
 that they would have said the same thing if Paul McCartney
 had died on this day, or David Lynch?

 It's not about auspiciousness. It's about the TMO trying
 to co-opt *everything* related to a famous TMer to make it
 All About Us.

 Triguna died. The Maharishi-invented days of silence
 started. There is no relationship between the two events.
 When someone tries to create one, I think it is justified
 to ask Why?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  It was not an official sign by the TMO.  There was no they
involved. The sign was put up by an anonymous someone on the bulletin
  board in the coat room of the women's Dome where other life
transitions such as births and
  weddings and birthdays and anniversaries are announced.  That
person was expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death occurring
on Jan 1, the day when many are beginning the traditional week of
silence. Â  Â  Â Â
 
  Yes, I know the world I inhabit.  And you do NOT know it,
Turq.  You merely continue to project onto it your own unresolved
stuff.  Stuff from decades ago.  Ok, I have unresolved stuff
too.  But at least I have the good sense to recognize it and do
something about it that I think is benficial.
 
  For God's sake, man, get over the TMO already!  It's a new year
and all that is ancient history.

 Now Share, I also made a post commenting on this. What would you say
to me concerning my negative post? (Assuming you read it, of course.)
Perhaps you mean your usual essay.
 Is Turq just an all around bad guy, or is he using FFL to work out
issues? Is he a crusader against an evil empire, or a lost soul gasping
for release? Does TM always succeed, and if not, why? Maybe he is just
practicing writing in his spare time, this is what he does for a living.
Because Turq does not fess up to issues he may have with his life, that
leaves us guessing.

 When you cannot figure something out, you become vulnerable to
imagination, wishful thinking, when you lack discipline (like me), and
begin to make up all sorts of things about people and why they do what
they do, things that exist only in the head, in the mind. We interpret
events differently when people are involved.

 If Turq came by and dropped a heavy rock on your foot, you might have
a different interpretation of the event than if a rock broke free from a
natural embankment and fell on your foot. Yet both events are events in
nature; we interpret the event in proximity to a human differently
because we make the assumption a human is an agent with an intentional
stance, that the agent is in some way in operational control of how the
universe proceeds, is an intentional agent. We blame the human.

 This is hard to do with a rock falling down a hill. There you have to
blame God, if that is how you think the universe runs, and people have
an aversion to crediting God with everything that happens even when that
is logically how the concept works (omniscience and omnipotence). If you
do not believe this way, then it just happened that way, and perhaps you
say 'damn stupid rock', and then go about what is next.

 Assuming these two rock events happened, the commonality between them
is just they both happened, and then certain things follow, namely
thinking about why they happened, and getting medical attention perhaps.
This is the nature of life.

 Things happen, and then other things happen, and perhaps we think
about those things. This goes on until we stop, when the body stop
functioning. This is how life goes, the world is here; there is a body
in the world that the mind associated with the body calls 'me'. Things
happen, then other things happen. The mind thinks, interprets what
happens. This goes on. Isn't life simple?

 Is Turq projecting, or pretending to project? Do you want to 'heal'
him? When I first came on the forum, I tried to figure Turq out. I don't
do that anymore (or much anyway). I tried to figure out Judy. That did
not work out either. Now I just write and enjoy the process.
good for you.  there seems to be a lot of that here.
 Even if the TMO did not post that message about Triguna, it sounds
like something that ol' stupid TMO would do, or what someone,
similarly brainwashed would follow up with. There is a lot of
brainwashing in spiritual movements; some deliberate, but a lot just
comes with the territory, and everyone is unaware that is what is going
on. Maybe Turq is prying himself out of these mental cages - Oh damn,
there I am projecting!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote:

 There IS a relationship only insofar as two things happened on the
same day. Other than that it would be a stretch, in my opinion, to
believe that he waited to die or was ordained to die on the same day as
the first day of silence (whatever that is) and that that would be
somehow auspicious. I also agree that the question why is not asked
often enough. It seems there are a lot of 'faithful' at FFL; not that it
is a bad thing but I prefer faith tempered with a healthy dose of
questioning.
 
I took it as being no more coincidental that when it rains during a
funeral, or when a birth takes place on an exceptionally sunny day. 
Merely an observation, that's all.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes to Turq

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 
 I love everything about this post.  Ann, this is how an arrow hits the
 target and penetrates the bullseye.

If you say so, Steve.

Different strokes...
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
 
  It was not an official sign by the TMO.  There was no they
 involved.  The sign was put up by an anonymous someone on the
 bulletin
  board in the coat room of the women's Dome where other life
 transitions such as births and
  weddings and birthdays and anniversaries are announced.  That
 person was expressing their own opinion about Triguna's death occurring
 on Jan 1, the day when many are beginning the traditional week of
 silence. Â  Â  Â Â
 
  Yes, I know the world I inhabit.  And you do NOT know it,
 Turq.  You merely continue to project onto it your own unresolved
 stuff.  Stuff from decades ago.  Ok, I have unresolved stuff
 too.  But at least I have the good sense to recognize it and do
 something about it that I think is benficial.
 
  For God's sake, man, get over the TMO already!  It's a new year
 and all that is ancient history.
 
 
  
  From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:07 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes
 
 
  Â
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   There is a sign up in Bagambhrini Dome saying how
   auspicious it is that he passed on the first day of
   silence in the new year.
 
  OK, commenting not to be nasty or insulting or anything
  like that, just to see whether you understand the nature
  of the world you live in, you DO understand, do you not,
  that they would have said the same thing if Paul McCartney
  had died on this day, or David Lynch?
 
  It's not about auspiciousness. It's about the TMO trying
  to co-opt *everything* related to a famous TMer to make it
  All About Us.
 
  Triguna died. The Maharishi-invented days of silence
  started. There is no relationship between the two events.
  When someone tries to create one, I think it is justified
  to ask Why?
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote:
 
  There IS a relationship only insofar as two things happened on the
 same day. Other than that it would be a stretch, in my opinion, to
 believe that he waited to die or was ordained to die on the same day as
 the first day of silence (whatever that is) and that that would be
 somehow auspicious. I also agree that the question why is not asked
 often enough. It seems there are a lot of 'faithful' at FFL; not that it
 is a bad thing but I prefer faith tempered with a healthy dose of
 questioning.
  
 I took it as being no more coincidental that when it rains during a
 funeral, or when a birth takes place on an exceptionally sunny day. 
 Merely an observation, that's all.

Yeah, yeah, an observation of someone else's message on a bulletin board. If 
Share didn't think it was indicative of something true she wouldn't have posted 
it here, hence more than observation but, instead, agreement. No big deal if 
she does think it is auspicious. It is just that I disagree. Still feel the 
need to back her up, even on something so trifling? Why not save your energy 
for when something bigger comes along and you can ride to her aid with your 
sword flashing? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Triguna Passes

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 Trigunaji 1916- 1 Jan 2013


In honor of Trigunaji's passing, many will share memories of him. This is one 
such story. In New Delhi, India 1980, Indian Express Building, fourth floor, my 
Vedic Atom team and I were present with about 1,500 other Sidhas from several 
countries in the meeting hall with Maharishi when he formally introduced 
Triguna to us for the first time. The rest of the story resides in memory as 
images and sense impressions.

No one told us Triguna was about to arrive, but there was such a flurry of 
activity the day of his arrival that everyone felt something important was 
about to happen. After lunch that day, they passed around silver platters 
loaded with pea-sized pellets and told us to take what we wanted. No one said 
what was in the pellets, just that is was an ayurvedic rasayana. I ate two and 
in short order I was feeling pretty blissful. Placebo effect perhaps, but I'd 
never felt a kick that noticeable before. Sometimes I wonder if Trigunaji might 
have performed some ooga booga yagya over those little pills. 

That afternoon we filed into the hall to meet with Maharishi as usual. What was 
unusual is that they had lit hundreds of sticks of incense that filled that air 
with such a thick haze it seemed to neutralize the soot and smell of New 
Delhi's incessant mix of vehicle diesel and cow dung for cooking on the street, 
redolently wafting through our windows.

Maharishi introduced us to Triguna and was deeply respectful of him as an 
honored guest.  Then as if being in Triguna's presence, taking rasayanas and 
purifying the air with incense, was Maharishi's attempt to ameliorate some 
impending karma, the next day everyone started to get sicker than dogs. Some 
people became too sick to get on the buses that picked us up after evening 
meetings to take us to our various hotels, so they set up triage at the Indian 
Express. After a few days, the fifth floor filled with rows and rows of beds 
and languishing course participants. A physician administered free Western 
medicines for fever and nausea and a nurse helped attend to the patients.  

A good friend had a very high fever. She didn't seem to be getting the 
attention she needed from the nurse, so I watched over her in the makeshift 
infirmary for two days, applied cold cloths to her body to reduce her fever, 
and prayed for her. I remember her saying that if her parents knew she had such 
a high temperature, they would be really pissed. 

I was one of the lucky ones. I didn't get sick but developed a chronic case of 
Delhi Belly, diarrhea.  I decided to see Triguna at his office for 
treatment. Two friends and I skipped the morning meeting, squeezed into a 
three-wheeled tuk-tuk and off we went. As we turned down a dirt road, we bumped 
over some railroad tracks and entered the other side of town, a woman swept the 
dirt floor or her hut, a street vendor sold betel leaf and a lunch shack served 
food on banana leaves. I was surprised how poor Triguna's neighborhood seemed.

Triguna's office is an open-air pavilion with about ten rows or long benches 
filled with thirty or forty patients moving one by one from the bench in the 
back to the bench in the front of the room where Trigunaji sits at a desk 
taking everyone's pulse. He spends one or two minutes per person. His son sits 
next to him. As Triguna takes someone's pulse, he says something to his son in 
Hindi who writes it on a slip of paper and hands it to the patient. There isn't 
an intake form to fill out. You just sit down on the bench in the back of the 
room and snake your way up to the front.

There's no apparent physician confidentiality or privacy. Whatever Triguna says 
to you, everyone gets to hear. One long-time TM teacher complained to Triguna 
about chronic headaches. Triguna told him he had a hot brain and should look at 
the moon.  If it had been me, I wouldn't have wanted a dozen people who know me 
hearing that.  I don't get headaches but whenever I see the full moon, I think 
of Bill and stare at the moon for a minute or two while I tilt my head to the 
right to see the rabbit.

It's my turn to see Triguna and the big moment has arrived. He takes my pulse 
and says, Health good. Bowel bad. I almost burst out laughing. Exactly, I 
thought, that's why I'm here.  His son hands me a slip of paper, a 
prescription and tells me to take it to the pharmacy on the other side of 
the road, a walled-in courtyard with an open space between two small buildings. 
One of the buildings has tonics, elixirs, potions, ashwagandha waters, anything 
liquid in a bottle. A friend got a bottle of what she called sheep's pee. I 
don't know if it was really that but it sure was some god-awful smelling stuff.

The building on the other side of the courtyard houses the powders, gallons of 
herbs in tin cans. Everything inside the building is completely visible from 
the courtyard. You hand the