Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur
Yes, thank you, I have and use Dr. Lad's book. Never heard of a tribal mantra before. VERY fascinating. Will google. When Deepak was teaching primordial sounds, I wonder if they were ayruvedic mantras. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur On 03/04/2013 01:43 PM, Share Long wrote: That distinction about vata and kapha is helpful, thanks. This might help: http://www.ayurveda.com/ Replying to another post: I've experienced that it's possible to be committed to one path and dabble too. I simply don't dabble with other meditation techniques. Simply with healing modalities focused on emotional or energy work. The mantras I give out here are for ayurveda and occasionally a tribal mantra. They are not mantras given me to give out by my late tantra teacher. Those are done personally and not over the Internet. The ayurvedic ones are commonly known but obviously not published by MAPI though I may be wrong about that. Tribal mantras are commonly known in India and used for different things. And I may also mention commonly known planetary mantras. Most of these are quite safe an harmless and not secret at all. PS Being a fan of Numb3rs, I like the idea that we might just be complex numbers or fractals (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur On 03/03/2013 06:46 PM, Share Long wrote: Well I ate some salmon first, good protein to buffer the sugar uptake. Usually I don't eat fruit but I did enjoy the pineapple a lot. My Mom's diabetic and my doc said I need to watch out for that. I like the idea of the doshas and metabolic rates. Here's a question: what's the disadvantage of fast metabolism? I can see the disadvantage of slow. Burn carbs too fast you get fat too because the body stashes the carbs away as fat. Plus you get low blood sugar. As for cold contracting, if I remember correctly, both vata and kapha are cold, yet one is fast, the other slow. Trying to reconcile some seeming contradictions. Vata is cold dry and kapha is cold wet. Air gives no resistance while water slows things down. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur Plus too much fruit may throw your blood sugar off. That's why a little piece at a time with the pineapple. Depending on what you are doing to pacify kapha it may raise vata and pitta. And that may need to be done anyway. One Indian MD who learned ayurveda from his grandfather actually teaches that reducing kapha by increasing the other doshas because it was easier for people to understand it that way. MAPI teas have those additional herbs to moderate that as do other formulas. Usually if one is kapha but has a pitta primary constitution you might want to moderate the use of spicy foods and ginger. Ayurved is not woo-woo in any way. It may seem that way because it is using the elements to explain things. But it is biochemistry. Primarily it will help regulate the rate that you metabolize your food especially carbs. If you burn carbs too fast you can get hypoglycemia or too slow same and then that can make you fat. Of course I also have learned other systems including metabolic typing. I like to look at kapha, pitta and vata as a straight vertical line with kapha at the bottom being a slow metabolism, vata at the top being fast and pitta in the middle. At least that is how it works with my body. Also basic physics, heat expands and cold contracts. Think about that too in relation to these. MD's need to become a lot more hip in this science but the pharmaceutical companies will hate it because there is no money in it. On 03/03/2013 04:57 AM, Share Long wrote: Oh, I see. I'm not as familiar with containers of fruit as I am with cans. So that's what caused the glitch in my memory. Anyway, what you say about samadosha brings up a question I've had for quite a while: if one pacifies kapha, for example, are vata and pitta automatically increased? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur No, I didn't say I ate a whole can. I said I went to the store and bought a container of pineapple slices because I didn't want to cut up a *whole* pineapple. The fresh foods section where the packaged fresh lettuce, spinach, etc. also has small containers of fresh sliced fruit. Much less
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur
To be clear there are no such things as ayurvedic mantras but mantras used in ayurveda. On 03/05/2013 08:45 AM, Share Long wrote: Yes, thank you, I have and use Dr. Lad's book. Never heard of a tribal mantra before. VERY fascinating. Will google. When Deepak was teaching primordial sounds, I wonder if they were ayruvedic mantras. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur On 03/04/2013 01:43 PM, Share Long wrote: That distinction about vata and kapha is helpful, thanks. This might help: http://www.ayurveda.com/ Replying to another post: I've experienced that it's possible to be committed to one path and dabble too. I simply don't dabble with other meditation techniques. Simply with healing modalities focused on emotional or energy work. The mantras I give out here are for ayurveda and occasionally a tribal mantra. They are not mantras given me to give out by my late tantra teacher. Those are done personally and not over the Internet. The ayurvedic ones are commonly known but obviously not published by MAPI though I may be wrong about that. Tribal mantras are commonly known in India and used for different things. And I may also mention commonly known planetary mantras. Most of these are quite safe an harmless and not secret at all. PS Being a fan of Numb3rs, I like the idea that we might just be complex numbers or fractals (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur On 03/03/2013 06:46 PM, Share Long wrote: Well I ate some salmon first, good protein to buffer the sugar uptake. Usually I don't eat fruit but I did enjoy the pineapple a lot. My Mom's diabetic and my doc said I need to watch out for that. I like the idea of the doshas and metabolic rates. Here's a question: what's the disadvantage of fast metabolism? I can see the disadvantage of slow. Burn carbs too fast you get fat too because the body stashes the carbs away as fat. Plus you get low blood sugar. As for cold contracting, if I remember correctly, both vata and kapha are cold, yet one is fast, the other slow. Trying to reconcile some seeming contradictions. Vata is cold dry and kapha is cold wet. Air gives no resistance while water slows things down. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur Plus too much fruit may throw your blood sugar off. That's why a little piece at a time with the pineapple. Depending on what you are doing to pacify kapha it may raise vata and pitta. And that may need to be done anyway. One Indian MD who learned ayurveda from his grandfather actually teaches that reducing kapha by increasing the other doshas because it was easier for people to understand it that way. MAPI teas have those additional herbs to moderate that as do other formulas. Usually if one is kapha but has a pitta primary constitution you might want to moderate the use of spicy foods and ginger. Ayurved is not woo-woo in any way. It may seem that way because it is using the elements to explain things. But it is biochemistry. Primarily it will help regulate the rate that you metabolize your food especially carbs. If you burn carbs too fast you can get hypoglycemia or too slow same and then that can make you fat. Of course I also have learned other systems including metabolic typing. I like to look at kapha, pitta and vata as a straight vertical line with kapha at the bottom being a slow metabolism, vata at the top being fast and pitta in the middle. At least that is how it works with my body. Also basic physics, heat expands and cold contracts. Think about that too in relation to these. MD's need to become a lot more hip in this science but the pharmaceutical companies will hate it because there is no money in it. On 03/03/2013 04:57 AM, Share Long wrote: Oh, I see. I'm not as familiar with containers of fruit as I am with cans. So that's what caused the glitch in my memory. Anyway, what you say about samadosha brings up a question I've had for quite a while: if one pacifies kapha, for example, are vata and pitta automatically increased? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur No, I didn't say I ate a whole can. I said I went to the store and bought a container of pineapple slices because I didn't want to cut up a *whole
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). navashok: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. The mono syllable'OM' isn't considered a true 'bija' mantra and there are no bija mantras mentioned in the Rig Veda. Bija mantras are 'seed sounds' with no semantic meaning - they are esoteric. The Vedas are 'mantras', Sanskrit words that have semantic meaning, that originated with the Aryan-speaking immigrants that arrived in South Asia around 1500 BCE. However,'bija' mantra usage come from the tantric tradition of Gupta Age India, which developed long after the composition of the Rig Veda. According to Eliade, the Vedas show only the rudiments of tantric yoga, that is, the Vedas are considered to be a form of 'Mantra Yoga'. But, the tantric yoga is part of the tradition of the sramana or ascetic tradition in India, which is pre-Vedic. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. So, MMY and SBS were associated with the Sri Vidya sect? Go figure! The Sri Vidya tradtion of South India came from Kashmere, which was a Vajrayana Buddhist country. Tantric Buddhism was imported into Tibet from the Swat Valley which is near Kashmere. Likewise, Kashmere Tantrism was exported to South India where it became right-hand tantra: Sri Vidya. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 6, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/ykqy7zh Other titles of interst: 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press; 2004 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice' by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur Hohm Press, 2001
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur
That distinction about vata and kapha is helpful, thanks. Replying to another post: I've experienced that it's possible to be committed to one path and dabble too. I simply don't dabble with other meditation techniques. Simply with healing modalities focused on emotional or energy work. PS Being a fan of Numb3rs, I like the idea that we might just be complex numbers or fractals (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur On 03/03/2013 06:46 PM, Share Long wrote: Well I ate some salmon first, good protein to buffer the sugar uptake. Usually I don't eat fruit but I did enjoy the pineapple a lot. My Mom's diabetic and my doc said I need to watch out for that. I like the idea of the doshas and metabolic rates. Here's a question: what's the disadvantage of fast metabolism? I can see the disadvantage of slow. Burn carbs too fast you get fat too because the body stashes the carbs away as fat. Plus you get low blood sugar. As for cold contracting, if I remember correctly, both vata and kapha are cold, yet one is fast, the other slow. Trying to reconcile some seeming contradictions. Vata is cold dry and kapha is cold wet. Air gives no resistance while water slows things down. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur Plus too much fruit may throw your blood sugar off. That's why a little piece at a time with the pineapple. Depending on what you are doing to pacify kapha it may raise vata and pitta. And that may need to be done anyway. One Indian MD who learned ayurveda from his grandfather actually teaches that reducing kapha by increasing the other doshas because it was easier for people to understand it that way. MAPI teas have those additional herbs to moderate that as do other formulas. Usually if one is kapha but has a pitta primary constitution you might want to moderate the use of spicy foods and ginger. Ayurved is not woo-woo in any way. It may seem that way because it is using the elements to explain things. But it is biochemistry. Primarily it will help regulate the rate that you metabolize your food especially carbs. If you burn carbs too fast you can get hypoglycemia or too slow same and then that can make you fat. Of course I also have learned other systems including metabolic typing. I like to look at kapha, pitta and vata as a straight vertical line with kapha at the bottom being a slow metabolism, vata at the top being fast and pitta in the middle. At least that is how it works with my body. Also basic physics, heat expands and cold contracts. Think about that too in relation to these. MD's need to become a lot more hip in this science but the pharmaceutical companies will hate it because there is no money in it. On 03/03/2013 04:57 AM, Share Long wrote: Oh, I see. I'm not as familiar with containers of fruit as I am with cans. So that's what caused the glitch in my memory. Anyway, what you say about samadosha brings up a question I've had for quite a while: if one pacifies kapha, for example, are vata and pitta automatically increased? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur No, I didn't say I ate a whole can. I said I went to the store and bought a container of pineapple slices because I didn't want to cut up a *whole* pineapple. The fresh foods section where the packaged fresh lettuce, spinach, etc. also has small containers of fresh sliced fruit. Much less messy than cutting up a whole pineapple and a small container cheaper too. Also a whole pineapple might have spoiled before I used it up. This was a good way to test. I only ate a slice (cube) or two at a time. I first read heard about returning the body to prakriti a few years back in several articles. Perhaps samadosha was assumed by newbie ayurveda followers. I recall one of the instructors at Dr. Lad's school telling me that samadosha wasn't so wonderful as people with that prakriti still had problems and correcting them often proved difficult. On 03/02/2013 07:51 AM, Share Long wrote: Well, you said you ate a whole can and it went away! I couldn't manage that amount but I ate quite a bit. Chunks. Organic. Very yummy. No comment about prakriti maybe being more settled than samadosha for some? Yeah, I always think the true saints of Fairfield are the people from CA who move here and stay. Mostly it's for their kids. Funny what you said about making a living selling crystals. Ok, I see what
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur
On 03/04/2013 01:43 PM, Share Long wrote: That distinction about vata and kapha is helpful, thanks. This might help: http://www.ayurveda.com/ Replying to another post: I've experienced that it's possible to be committed to one path and dabble too. I simply don't dabble with other meditation techniques. Simply with healing modalities focused on emotional or energy work. The mantras I give out here are for ayurveda and occasionally a tribal mantra. They are not mantras given me to give out by my late tantra teacher. Those are done personally and not over the Internet. The ayurvedic ones are commonly known but obviously not published by MAPI though I may be wrong about that. Tribal mantras are commonly known in India and used for different things. And I may also mention commonly known planetary mantras. Most of these are quite safe an harmless and not secret at all. PS Being a fan of Numb3rs, I like the idea that we might just be complex numbers or fractals (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur On 03/03/2013 06:46 PM, Share Long wrote: Well I ate some salmon first, good protein to buffer the sugar uptake. Usually I don't eat fruit but I did enjoy the pineapple a lot. My Mom's diabetic and my doc said I need to watch out for that. I like the idea of the doshas and metabolic rates. Here's a question: what's the disadvantage of fast metabolism? I can see the disadvantage of slow. Burn carbs too fast you get fat too because the body stashes the carbs away as fat. Plus you get low blood sugar. As for cold contracting, if I remember correctly, both vata and kapha are cold, yet one is fast, the other slow. Trying to reconcile some seeming contradictions. Vata is cold dry and kapha is cold wet. Air gives no resistance while water slows things down. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur Plus too much fruit may throw your blood sugar off. That's why a little piece at a time with the pineapple. Depending on what you are doing to pacify kapha it may raise vata and pitta. And that may need to be done anyway. One Indian MD who learned ayurveda from his grandfather actually teaches that reducing kapha by increasing the other doshas because it was easier for people to understand it that way. MAPI teas have those additional herbs to moderate that as do other formulas. Usually if one is kapha but has a pitta primary constitution you might want to moderate the use of spicy foods and ginger. Ayurved is not woo-woo in any way. It may seem that way because it is using the elements to explain things. But it is biochemistry. Primarily it will help regulate the rate that you metabolize your food especially carbs. If you burn carbs too fast you can get hypoglycemia or too slow same and then that can make you fat. Of course I also have learned other systems including metabolic typing. I like to look at kapha, pitta and vata as a straight vertical line with kapha at the bottom being a slow metabolism, vata at the top being fast and pitta in the middle. At least that is how it works with my body. Also basic physics, heat expands and cold contracts. Think about that too in relation to these. MD's need to become a lot more hip in this science but the pharmaceutical companies will hate it because there is no money in it. On 03/03/2013 04:57 AM, Share Long wrote: Oh, I see. I'm not as familiar with containers of fruit as I am with cans. So that's what caused the glitch in my memory. Anyway, what you say about samadosha brings up a question I've had for quite a while: if one pacifies kapha, for example, are vata and pitta automatically increased? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur No, I didn't say I ate a whole can. I said I went to the store and bought a container of pineapple slices because I didn't want to cut up a *whole* pineapple. The fresh foods section where the packaged fresh lettuce, spinach, etc. also has small containers of fresh sliced fruit. Much less messy than cutting up a whole pineapple and a small container cheaper too. Also a whole pineapple might have spoiled before I used it up. This was a good way to test. I only ate a slice (cube) or two at a time. I first read heard about returning the body to prakriti a few years back in several articles. Perhaps samadosha was assumed by newbie ayurveda followers. I recall one of the instructors at Dr
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur
Oh, I see. I'm not as familiar with containers of fruit as I am with cans. So that's what caused the glitch in my memory. Anyway, what you say about samadosha brings up a question I've had for quite a while: if one pacifies kapha, for example, are vata and pitta automatically increased? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur No, I didn't say I ate a whole can. I said I went to the store and bought a container of pineapple slices because I didn't want to cut up a *whole* pineapple. The fresh foods section where the packaged fresh lettuce, spinach, etc. also has small containers of fresh sliced fruit. Much less messy than cutting up a whole pineapple and a small container cheaper too. Also a whole pineapple might have spoiled before I used it up. This was a good way to test. I only ate a slice (cube) or two at a time. I first read heard about returning the body to prakriti a few years back in several articles. Perhaps samadosha was assumed by newbie ayurveda followers. I recall one of the instructors at Dr. Lad's school telling me that samadosha wasn't so wonderful as people with that prakriti still had problems and correcting them often proved difficult. On 03/02/2013 07:51 AM, Share Long wrote: Well, you said you ate a whole can and it went away! I couldn't manage that amount but I ate quite a bit. Chunks. Organic. Very yummy. No comment about prakriti maybe being more settled than samadosha for some? Yeah, I always think the true saints of Fairfield are the people from CA who move here and stay. Mostly it's for their kids. Funny what you said about making a living selling crystals. Ok, I see what you mean about right vs left brain dominance. I still experience the spiritual and material as interpenetrating each other. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur A half a can of pineapple? I think the web page only mentions a few slices a day. Pineapple is an anti-inflammatory so will help if the tinnitus is due to that. But as the web page mentions there are different reasons for tinnitus. Haha, I was able to do my morning walk wearing shorts it was already that warm. That's why some of us like to live in Kalifornia. Actually the conflict might be between left and right brained people not so much materialism and spirituality. Or maybe the spiritual folks will come out on the winning side anyway. On 03/01/2013 12:03 PM, Share Long wrote: Hmmm, that's very interesting about switching emphasis from samadosha to prakriti. My guess is that prakriti has a built in settledness whereas trying to be samadosha could produce strain in someone who's not. BTW, I ate half a can of pineapple the other day. I think the ringing in ears decreased some. Thanks for tip. And I thought FF had changeable weather! One learns to layer clothing. About materialism and spirituality: some days the most concrete aspects of earthly life are also the most divine (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? On 03/01/2013 02:48 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: You mean the monsoon season? Today in California it was winter overnight, spring in the morning, summer in the afternoon and fall in the evening. :-D I found the tape. I need to digitize it so it's easier to find sections and EQ it better. Om Rama Krisna Hari is for pitta but may also be tridoshic. Do you know why this is so? Does it have anything to do with the deities, like Vishnu usually being associated with water, Devi with fire etc. or is it purely phonetic? Btw. I'm samadosha, last time they checked (which is long time ago) A bit of both since the deities are associated with the elements and their names create the effect. I recall the goal in ayurveda was to function samadosha but now the prevailing thought is to return you to your constitution (prakrati).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur
Plus too much fruit may throw your blood sugar off. That's why a little piece at a time with the pineapple. Depending on what you are doing to pacify kapha it may raise vata and pitta. And that may need to be done anyway. One Indian MD who learned ayurveda from his grandfather actually teaches that reducing kapha by increasing the other doshas because it was easier for people to understand it that way. MAPI teas have those additional herbs to moderate that as do other formulas. Usually if one is kapha but has a pitta primary constitution you might want to moderate the use of spicy foods and ginger. Ayurved is not woo-woo in any way. It may seem that way because it is using the elements to explain things. But it is biochemistry. Primarily it will help regulate the rate that you metabolize your food especially carbs. If you burn carbs too fast you can get hypoglycemia or too slow same and then that can make you fat. Of course I also have learned other systems including metabolic typing. I like to look at kapha, pitta and vata as a straight vertical line with kapha at the bottom being a slow metabolism, vata at the top being fast and pitta in the middle. At least that is how it works with my body. Also basic physics, heat expands and cold contracts. Think about that too in relation to these. MD's need to become a lot more hip in this science but the pharmaceutical companies will hate it because there is no money in it. On 03/03/2013 04:57 AM, Share Long wrote: Oh, I see. I'm not as familiar with containers of fruit as I am with cans. So that's what caused the glitch in my memory. Anyway, what you say about samadosha brings up a question I've had for quite a while: if one pacifies kapha, for example, are vata and pitta automatically increased? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur No, I didn't say I ate a whole can. I said I went to the store and bought a container of pineapple slices because I didn't want to cut up a *whole* pineapple. The fresh foods section where the packaged fresh lettuce, spinach, etc. also has small containers of fresh sliced fruit. Much less messy than cutting up a whole pineapple and a small container cheaper too. Also a whole pineapple might have spoiled before I used it up. This was a good way to test. I only ate a slice (cube) or two at a time. I first read heard about returning the body to prakriti a few years back in several articles. Perhaps samadosha was assumed by newbie ayurveda followers. I recall one of the instructors at Dr. Lad's school telling me that samadosha wasn't so wonderful as people with that prakriti still had problems and correcting them often proved difficult. On 03/02/2013 07:51 AM, Share Long wrote: Well, you said you ate a whole can and it went away! I couldn't manage that amount but I ate quite a bit. Chunks. Organic. Very yummy. No comment about prakriti maybe being more settled than samadosha for some? Yeah, I always think the true saints of Fairfield are the people from CA who move here and stay. Mostly it's for their kids. Funny what you said about making a living selling crystals. Ok, I see what you mean about right vs left brain dominance. I still experience the spiritual and material as interpenetrating each other. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur A half a can of pineapple? I think the web page only mentions a few slices a day. Pineapple is an anti-inflammatory so will help if the tinnitus is due to that. But as the web page mentions there are different reasons for tinnitus. Haha, I was able to do my morning walk wearing shorts it was already that warm. That's why some of us like to live in Kalifornia. Actually the conflict might be between left and right brained people not so much materialism and spirituality. Or maybe the spiritual folks will come out on the winning side anyway. On 03/01/2013 12:03 PM, Share Long wrote: Hmmm, that's very interesting about switching emphasis from samadosha to prakriti. My guess is that prakriti has a built in settledness whereas trying to be samadosha could produce strain in someone who's not. BTW, I ate half a can of pineapple the other day. I think the ringing in ears decreased some. Thanks for tip. And I thought FF had changeable weather! One learns to layer clothing. About materialism and spirituality: some days the most concrete aspects of earthly life are also the most divine (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur
Well I ate some salmon first, good protein to buffer the sugar uptake. Usually I don't eat fruit but I did enjoy the pineapple a lot. My Mom's diabetic and my doc said I need to watch out for that. I like the idea of the doshas and metabolic rates. Here's a question: what's the disadvantage of fast metabolism? I can see the disadvantage of slow. As for cold contracting, if I remember correctly, both vata and kapha are cold, yet one is fast, the other slow. Trying to reconcile some seeming contradictions. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur Plus too much fruit may throw your blood sugar off. That's why a little piece at a time with the pineapple. Depending on what you are doing to pacify kapha it may raise vata and pitta. And that may need to be done anyway. One Indian MD who learned ayurveda from his grandfather actually teaches that reducing kapha by increasing the other doshas because it was easier for people to understand it that way. MAPI teas have those additional herbs to moderate that as do other formulas. Usually if one is kapha but has a pitta primary constitution you might want to moderate the use of spicy foods and ginger. Ayurved is not woo-woo in any way. It may seem that way because it is using the elements to explain things. But it is biochemistry. Primarily it will help regulate the rate that you metabolize your food especially carbs. If you burn carbs too fast you can get hypoglycemia or too slow same and then that can make you fat. Of course I also have learned other systems including metabolic typing. I like to look at kapha, pitta and vata as a straight vertical line with kapha at the bottom being a slow metabolism, vata at the top being fast and pitta in the middle. At least that is how it works with my body. Also basic physics, heat expands and cold contracts. Think about that too in relation to these. MD's need to become a lot more hip in this science but the pharmaceutical companies will hate it because there is no money in it. On 03/03/2013 04:57 AM, Share Long wrote: Oh, I see. I'm not as familiar with containers of fruit as I am with cans. So that's what caused the glitch in my memory. Anyway, what you say about samadosha brings up a question I've had for quite a while: if one pacifies kapha, for example, are vata and pitta automatically increased? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur No, I didn't say I ate a whole can. I said I went to the store and bought a container of pineapple slices because I didn't want to cut up a *whole* pineapple. The fresh foods section where the packaged fresh lettuce, spinach, etc. also has small containers of fresh sliced fruit. Much less messy than cutting up a whole pineapple and a small container cheaper too. Also a whole pineapple might have spoiled before I used it up. This was a good way to test. I only ate a slice (cube) or two at a time. I first read heard about returning the body to prakriti a few years back in several articles. Perhaps samadosha was assumed by newbie ayurveda followers. I recall one of the instructors at Dr. Lad's school telling me that samadosha wasn't so wonderful as people with that prakriti still had problems and correcting them often proved difficult. On 03/02/2013 07:51 AM, Share Long wrote: Well, you said you ate a whole can and it went away! I couldn't manage that amount but I ate quite a bit. Chunks. Organic. Very yummy. No comment about prakriti maybe being more settled than samadosha for some? Yeah, I always think the true saints of Fairfield are the people from CA who move here and stay. Mostly it's for their kids. Funny what you said about making a living selling crystals. Ok, I see what you mean about right vs left brain dominance. I still experience the spiritual and material as interpenetrating each other. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur A half a can of pineapple? I think the web page only mentions a few slices a day. Pineapple is an anti-inflammatory so will help if the tinnitus is due to that. But as the web page mentions there are different reasons for tinnitus. Haha, I was able to do my morning walk wearing shorts it was already that warm. That's why some of us like to live in Kalifornia. Actually the conflict might be between left and right brained people not so much materialism and spirituality. Or maybe the spiritual folks will come out
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur
On 03/03/2013 06:46 PM, Share Long wrote: Well I ate some salmon first, good protein to buffer the sugar uptake. Usually I don't eat fruit but I did enjoy the pineapple a lot. My Mom's diabetic and my doc said I need to watch out for that. I like the idea of the doshas and metabolic rates. Here's a question: what's the disadvantage of fast metabolism? I can see the disadvantage of slow. Burn carbs too fast you get fat too because the body stashes the carbs away as fat. Plus you get low blood sugar. As for cold contracting, if I remember correctly, both vata and kapha are cold, yet one is fast, the other slow. Trying to reconcile some seeming contradictions. Vata is cold dry and kapha is cold wet. Air gives no resistance while water slows things down. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur Plus too much fruit may throw your blood sugar off. That's why a little piece at a time with the pineapple. Depending on what you are doing to pacify kapha it may raise vata and pitta. And that may need to be done anyway. One Indian MD who learned ayurveda from his grandfather actually teaches that reducing kapha by increasing the other doshas because it was easier for people to understand it that way. MAPI teas have those additional herbs to moderate that as do other formulas. Usually if one is kapha but has a pitta primary constitution you might want to moderate the use of spicy foods and ginger. Ayurved is not woo-woo in any way. It may seem that way because it is using the elements to explain things. But it is biochemistry. Primarily it will help regulate the rate that you metabolize your food especially carbs. If you burn carbs too fast you can get hypoglycemia or too slow same and then that can make you fat. Of course I also have learned other systems including metabolic typing. I like to look at kapha, pitta and vata as a straight vertical line with kapha at the bottom being a slow metabolism, vata at the top being fast and pitta in the middle. At least that is how it works with my body. Also basic physics, heat expands and cold contracts. Think about that too in relation to these. MD's need to become a lot more hip in this science but the pharmaceutical companies will hate it because there is no money in it. On 03/03/2013 04:57 AM, Share Long wrote: Oh, I see. I'm not as familiar with containers of fruit as I am with cans. So that's what caused the glitch in my memory. Anyway, what you say about samadosha brings up a question I've had for quite a while: if one pacifies kapha, for example, are vata and pitta automatically increased? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur No, I didn't say I ate a whole can. I said I went to the store and bought a container of pineapple slices because I didn't want to cut up a *whole* pineapple. The fresh foods section where the packaged fresh lettuce, spinach, etc. also has small containers of fresh sliced fruit. Much less messy than cutting up a whole pineapple and a small container cheaper too. Also a whole pineapple might have spoiled before I used it up. This was a good way to test. I only ate a slice (cube) or two at a time. I first read heard about returning the body to prakriti a few years back in several articles. Perhaps samadosha was assumed by newbie ayurveda followers. I recall one of the instructors at Dr. Lad's school telling me that samadosha wasn't so wonderful as people with that prakriti still had problems and correcting them often proved difficult. On 03/02/2013 07:51 AM, Share Long wrote: Well, you said you ate a whole can and it went away! I couldn't manage that amount but I ate quite a bit. Chunks. Organic. Very yummy. No comment about prakriti maybe being more settled than samadosha for some? Yeah, I always think the true saints of Fairfield are the people from CA who move here and stay. Mostly it's for their kids. Funny what you said about making a living selling crystals. Ok, I see what you mean about right vs left brain dominance. I still experience the spiritual and material as interpenetrating each other. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur A half a can of pineapple? I think the web page only mentions a few slices a day. Pineapple is an anti-inflammatory so will help if the tinnitus is due to that. But as the web page mentions there are different reasons for tinnitus. Haha, I was able
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur
Well, you said you ate a whole can and it went away! I couldn't manage that amount but I ate quite a bit. Chunks. Organic. Very yummy. No comment about prakriti maybe being more settled than samadosha for some? Yeah, I always think the true saints of Fairfield are the people from CA who move here and stay. Mostly it's for their kids. Funny what you said about making a living selling crystals. Ok, I see what you mean about right vs left brain dominance. I still experience the spiritual and material as interpenetrating each other. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur A half a can of pineapple? I think the web page only mentions a few slices a day. Pineapple is an anti-inflammatory so will help if the tinnitus is due to that. But as the web page mentions there are different reasons for tinnitus. Haha, I was able to do my morning walk wearing shorts it was already that warm. That's why some of us like to live in Kalifornia. Actually the conflict might be between left and right brained people not so much materialism and spirituality. Or maybe the spiritual folks will come out on the winning side anyway. On 03/01/2013 12:03 PM, Share Long wrote: Hmmm, that's very interesting about switching emphasis from samadosha to prakriti. My guess is that prakriti has a built in settledness whereas trying to be samadosha could produce strain in someone who's not. BTW, I ate half a can of pineapple the other day. I think the ringing in ears decreased some. Thanks for tip. And I thought FF had changeable weather! One learns to layer clothing. About materialism and spirituality: some days the most concrete aspects of earthly life are also the most divine (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? On 03/01/2013 02:48 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: You mean the monsoon season? Today in California it was winter overnight, spring in the morning, summer in the afternoon and fall in the evening. :-D I found the tape. I need to digitize it so it's easier to find sections and EQ it better. Om Rama Krisna Hari is for pitta but may also be tridoshic. Do you know why this is so? Does it have anything to do with the deities, like Vishnu usually being associated with water, Devi with fire etc. or is it purely phonetic? Btw. I'm samadosha, last time they checked (which is long time ago) A bit of both since the deities are associated with the elements and their names create the effect. I recall the goal in ayurveda was to function samadosha but now the prevailing thought is to return you to your constitution (prakrati).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur
No, I didn't say I ate a whole can. I said I went to the store and bought a container of pineapple slices because I didn't want to cut up a *whole* pineapple. The fresh foods section where the packaged fresh lettuce, spinach, etc. also has small containers of fresh sliced fruit. Much less messy than cutting up a whole pineapple and a small container cheaper too. Also a whole pineapple might have spoiled before I used it up. This was a good way to test. I only ate a slice (cube) or two at a time. I first read heard about returning the body to prakriti a few years back in several articles. Perhaps samadosha was assumed by newbie ayurveda followers. I recall one of the instructors at Dr. Lad's school telling me that samadosha wasn't so wonderful as people with that prakriti still had problems and correcting them often proved difficult. On 03/02/2013 07:51 AM, Share Long wrote: Well, you said you ate a whole can and it went away! I couldn't manage that amount but I ate quite a bit. Chunks. Organic. Very yummy. No comment about prakriti maybe being more settled than samadosha for some? Yeah, I always think the true saints of Fairfield are the people from CA who move here and stay. Mostly it's for their kids. Funny what you said about making a living selling crystals. Ok, I see what you mean about right vs left brain dominance. I still experience the spiritual and material as interpenetrating each other. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur A half a can of pineapple? I think the web page only mentions a few slices a day. Pineapple is an anti-inflammatory so will help if the tinnitus is due to that. But as the web page mentions there are different reasons for tinnitus. Haha, I was able to do my morning walk wearing shorts it was already that warm. That's why some of us like to live in Kalifornia. Actually the conflict might be between left and right brained people not so much materialism and spirituality. Or maybe the spiritual folks will come out on the winning side anyway. On 03/01/2013 12:03 PM, Share Long wrote: Hmmm, that's very interesting about switching emphasis from samadosha to prakriti. My guess is that prakriti has a built in settledness whereas trying to be samadosha could produce strain in someone who's not. BTW, I ate half a can of pineapple the other day. I think the ringing in ears decreased some. Thanks for tip. And I thought FF had changeable weather! One learns to layer clothing. About materialism and spirituality: some days the most concrete aspects of earthly life are also the most divine (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? On 03/01/2013 02:48 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: You mean the monsoon season? Today in California it was winter overnight, spring in the morning, summer in the afternoon and fall in the evening. :-D I found the tape. I need to digitize it so it's easier to find sections and EQ it better. Om Rama Krisna Hari is for pitta but may also be tridoshic. Do you know why this is so? Does it have anything to do with the deities, like Vishnu usually being associated with water, Devi with fire etc. or is it purely phonetic? Btw. I'm samadosha, last time they checked (which is long time ago) A bit of both since the deities are associated with the elements and their names create the effect. I recall the goal in ayurveda was to function samadosha but now the prevailing thought is to return you to your constitution (prakrati).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: snip The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. Real Samadhi? By being buried. How does that work exactly? Haha, funny, well there is also Jeeva Samadhi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeeva_Samadhi or Jala Samadhi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4nZE0E4ckc No, I'm confusing you. In this case Samadhi simply denotes the grave of a yogi or saint. Usually Hindus are cremated, but saints, Sadhus, Swamis are buried. Funny story here: I was at the ashram of a famous yogi in India, actually we had the discussion about one of his successors recently here, Shiva Bala Yogi, who spend 12 years as a boy in continuous Samadhi. I went to the ashram at the wrong time, so couldn't see him, but had an extraordinary meditation at some office room. When I went out, I ask a child if the Swami was in Samadhi, meaning it in the sense of a spiritual absorption. The child laughed and said, no, no the swami is very much alive, I have just seen him yesterday. So the child thought I had meant the Swami was dead. Ironically, he died the following year not being too old. Maybe the term has something to do with Maha-Samadhi. Jeeva Samadhi is actually more like what you have been thinking of: A saint / Yogi goes into Samadhi, voluntarily stops his life functions and gets buried. I was once at a place of an Avadhut, one of those 'crazy' saints, fairly crazy I would say, and he had, in the middle of his house, dug out a big hole, where he would later take Jeeva Samadhi. The hole is still there. A Jal samadhi is when the body is immersed in water. There was a yogi at Tiruvannamalai, who sat in samadhi, while a flood surprised him and took his life. Now that's called Jal Samadhi,the place is still there in the form of a little water tank inside an ashram. When the sarcophagus of Guru Dev was immersed in the Ganges it is also called Jal Samadhi. I think that was what they might have wanted for Maharishi. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: You mean the monsoon season? Today in California it was winter overnight, spring in the morning, summer in the afternoon and fall in the evening. :-D I found the tape. I need to digitize it so it's easier to find sections and EQ it better. Om Rama Krisna Hari is for pitta but may also be tridoshic. Do you know why this is so? Does it have anything to do with the deities, like Vishnu usually being associated with water, Devi with fire etc. or is it purely phonetic? Btw. I'm samadosha, last time they checked (which is long time ago) On 02/28/2013 01:07 PM, Share Long wrote: When all the snow starts melting, the kaphaness of kapha season is gonna hit like a ton of bricks. I wonder if there's a sound that's good for all 3 doshas just as there are a few foods that are good for all 3. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? I need to find the Primordial Sound tape as I think it has the Gayatri Mantra on it. In ayurveda Om is considered useful to calm vata though Ram is favored. On 02/28/2013 06:30 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
Wow. Learning something new today. I don't have time to consider all the implications, but suddenly I'm wondering about the burial places of many of the Indian Saints. The Wiki article certainly mentions some interesting points. The idea that the body of the saint never decays, being one of them. At least Yogananda was willing to put that to the test to some extent. Yogananda and Vivekenanda. I've never quite gotten over either of them, and perhaps never will. Same goes for Ramakrishna, but with the other two, they were more accessable western-wise, and maybe why I feel especially close to them. One thing I have gotten from reading your posts here, and also from others, is just how many enlightened teachers there are in India. Assuming one believes in the concept. There, the whole ashram experience seems much less formal for the most part. Maybe we in the west want more of a high profile teacher, or at least one that speaks english. That could be a deterent for westerners. But thanks for the explanation about the different samadhis as they pertain to death. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: snip The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. Real Samadhi? By being buried. How does that work exactly? Haha, funny, well there is also Jeeva Samadhi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeeva_Samadhi or Jala Samadhi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4nZE0E4ckc No, I'm confusing you. In this case Samadhi simply denotes the grave of a yogi or saint. Usually Hindus are cremated, but saints, Sadhus, Swamis are buried. Funny story here: I was at the ashram of a famous yogi in India, actually we had the discussion about one of his successors recently here, Shiva Bala Yogi, who spend 12 years as a boy in continuous Samadhi. I went to the ashram at the wrong time, so couldn't see him, but had an extraordinary meditation at some office room. When I went out, I ask a child if the Swami was in Samadhi, meaning it in the sense of a spiritual absorption. The child laughed and said, no, no the swami is very much alive, I have just seen him yesterday. So the child thought I had meant the Swami was dead. Ironically, he died the following year not being too old. Maybe the term has something to do with Maha-Samadhi. Jeeva Samadhi is actually more like what you have been thinking of: A saint / Yogi goes into Samadhi, voluntarily stops his life functions and gets buried. I was once at a place of an Avadhut, one of those 'crazy' saints, fairly crazy I would say, and he had, in the middle of his house, dug out a big hole, where he would later take Jeeva Samadhi. The hole is still there. A Jal samadhi is when the body is immersed in water. There was a yogi at Tiruvannamalai, who sat in samadhi, while a flood surprised him and took his life. Now that's called Jal Samadhi,the place is still there in the form of a little water tank inside an ashram. When the sarcophagus of Guru Dev was immersed in the Ganges it is also called Jal Samadhi. I think that was what they might have wanted for Maharishi. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
On 03/01/2013 02:48 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: You mean the monsoon season? Today in California it was winter overnight, spring in the morning, summer in the afternoon and fall in the evening. :-D I found the tape. I need to digitize it so it's easier to find sections and EQ it better. Om Rama Krisna Hari is for pitta but may also be tridoshic. Do you know why this is so? Does it have anything to do with the deities, like Vishnu usually being associated with water, Devi with fire etc. or is it purely phonetic? Btw. I'm samadosha, last time they checked (which is long time ago) A bit of both since the deities are associated with the elements and their names create the effect. I recall the goal in ayurveda was to function samadosha but now the prevailing thought is to return you to your constitution (prakrati).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
On 03/01/2013 01:49 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: snip The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. Real Samadhi? By being buried. How does that work exactly? Haha, funny, well there is also Jeeva Samadhi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeeva_Samadhi or Jala Samadhi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4nZE0E4ckc No, I'm confusing you. In this case Samadhi simply denotes the grave of a yogi or saint. Usually Hindus are cremated, but saints, Sadhus, Swamis are buried. Funny story here: I was at the ashram of a famous yogi in India, actually we had the discussion about one of his successors recently here, Shiva Bala Yogi, who spend 12 years as a boy in continuous Samadhi. I went to the ashram at the wrong time, so couldn't see him, but had an extraordinary meditation at some office room. When I went out, I ask a child if the Swami was in Samadhi, meaning it in the sense of a spiritual absorption. The child laughed and said, no, no the swami is very much alive, I have just seen him yesterday. So the child thought I had meant the Swami was dead. Ironically, he died the following year not being too old. Maybe the term has something to do with Maha-Samadhi. Jeeva Samadhi is actually more like what you have been thinking of: A saint / Yogi goes into Samadhi, voluntarily stops his life functions and gets buried. I was once at a place of an Avadhut, one of those 'crazy' saints, fairly crazy I would say, and he had, in the middle of his house, dug out a big hole, where he would later take Jeeva Samadhi. The hole is still there. A Jal samadhi is when the body is immersed in water. There was a yogi at Tiruvannamalai, who sat in samadhi, while a flood surprised him and took his life. Now that's called Jal Samadhi,the place is still there in the form of a little water tank inside an ashram. When the sarcophagus of Guru Dev was immersed in the Ganges it is also called Jal Samadhi. I think that was what they might have wanted for Maharishi. Back in the late 1970s there was a paperback novel called Gates of Fire that talked about some of the burial rituals. The author Elwyn Chamberlain had taught English in India so drew in some of the traditions in the novel. That's where I first heard of these different types of burials. It may have been optioned for a movie that never got made. http://books.google.com/books/about/Gates_of_Fire.html?id=7HQzVsm0ppoC
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur
Hmmm, that's very interesting about switching emphasis from samadosha to prakriti. My guess is that prakriti has a built in settledness whereas trying to be samadosha could produce strain in someone who's not. BTW, I ate half a can of pineapple the other day. I think the ringing in ears decreased some. Thanks for tip. And I thought FF had changeable weather! One learns to layer clothing. About materialism and spirituality: some days the most concrete aspects of earthly life are also the most divine (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? On 03/01/2013 02:48 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: You mean the monsoon season? Today in California it was winter overnight, spring in the morning, summer in the afternoon and fall in the evening. :-D I found the tape. I need to digitize it so it's easier to find sections and EQ it better. Om Rama Krisna Hari is for pitta but may also be tridoshic. Do you know why this is so? Does it have anything to do with the deities, like Vishnu usually being associated with water, Devi with fire etc. or is it purely phonetic? Btw. I'm samadosha, last time they checked (which is long time ago) A bit of both since the deities are associated with the elements and their names create the effect. I recall the goal in ayurveda was to function samadosha but now the prevailing thought is to return you to your constitution (prakrati).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur
A half a can of pineapple? I think the web page only mentions a few slices a day. Pineapple is an anti-inflammatory so will help if the tinnitus is due to that. But as the web page mentions there are different reasons for tinnitus. Haha, I was able to do my morning walk wearing shorts it was already that warm. That's why some of us like to live in Kalifornia. Actually the conflict might be between left and right brained people not so much materialism and spirituality. Or maybe the spiritual folks will come out on the winning side anyway. On 03/01/2013 12:03 PM, Share Long wrote: Hmmm, that's very interesting about switching emphasis from samadosha to prakriti. My guess is that prakriti has a built in settledness whereas trying to be samadosha could produce strain in someone who's not. BTW, I ate half a can of pineapple the other day. I think the ringing in ears decreased some. Thanks for tip. And I thought FF had changeable weather! One learns to layer clothing. About materialism and spirituality: some days the most concrete aspects of earthly life are also the most divine (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? On 03/01/2013 02:48 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: You mean the monsoon season? Today in California it was winter overnight, spring in the morning, summer in the afternoon and fall in the evening. :-D I found the tape. I need to digitize it so it's easier to find sections and EQ it better. Om Rama Krisna Hari is for pitta but may also be tridoshic. Do you know why this is so? Does it have anything to do with the deities, like Vishnu usually being associated with water, Devi with fire etc. or is it purely phonetic? Btw. I'm samadosha, last time they checked (which is long time ago) A bit of both since the deities are associated with the elements and their names create the effect. I recall the goal in ayurveda was to function samadosha but now the prevailing thought is to return you to your constitution (prakrati).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 03/01/2013 01:49 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: snip The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. Which, ofcourse, is pure speculation on your part. Back in the late 1970s there was a paperback novel called Gates of Fire that talked about some of the burial rituals. The author Elwyn Chamberlain had taught English in India so drew in some of the traditions in the novel. That's where I first heard of these different types of burials. It may have been optioned for a movie that never got made. http://books.google.com/books/about/Gates_of_Fire.html?id=7HQzVsm0ppoC
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Hmmm, that's very interesting about switching emphasis from samadosha to prakriti. My guess is that prakriti has a built in settledness whereas trying to be samadosha could produce strain in someone who's not. BTW, I ate half a can of pineapple the other day. I think the ringing in ears decreased some. Thanks for tip. Have you tried attaching strong neodymium magnets near the ear canals? I have often three or even four piled on each other during the night time (about half an inch diameter): http://www.magnets2buy.com/acatalog/neodymium-discs.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 03/01/2013 01:49 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: snip The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. Which, ofcourse, is pure speculation on your part. Nope, I know it, I was there at the cremation on February 2008. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/163900 Back in the late 1970s there was a paperback novel called Gates of Fire that talked about some of the burial rituals. The author Elwyn Chamberlain had taught English in India so drew in some of the traditions in the novel. That's where I first heard of these different types of burials. It may have been optioned for a movie that never got made. http://books.google.com/books/about/Gates_of_Fire.html?id=7HQzVsm0ppoC
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 6, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/ykqy7zh Other titles of interst: 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press; 2004 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice' by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur Hohm Press, 2001
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
Nice grounded, non-Woo explanation of this prohibition. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 6, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/ykqy7zh Other titles of interst: 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press; 2004 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice' by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur Hohm Press, 2001
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
Om, that explains a lot. Nava, You got a lot packed in that post. Makes sense in context why the maha-mantras were not taught in the TM movement and in the end that Maharishi was cooking up some technique around a mechanical device to help activate the subtle bodies en lieu of a teaching using the vibratory of like the Gayatri mantra to activate and tune the subtle system. Makes sense too why the lady saint Karunamayi created such furor in the conservative Brahmins a few years ago for teaching caste-less people the Gayatri Mantra, like even to Women and Westerners. Gads.Thanks also for the comments about why they burned Maharishi in cremation v putting him in the ground or water. So, it is okay to return the body to the elements otherwise too. Lot of Saints also been put in the ground or sent down the river in water. Someone over coffee this morning in Paradiso started to rattle off the list of saints who were put in the ground or the water to return to the elements; Even non-Brahmin saints. Thanks for your insight. Love from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
I need to find the Primordial Sound tape as I think it has the Gayatri Mantra on it. In ayurveda Om is considered useful to calm vata though Ram is favored. On 02/28/2013 06:30 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 6, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/ykqy7zh Other titles of interst: 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press; 2004 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice' by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur Hohm Press, 2001
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
When all the snow starts melting, the kaphaness of kapha season is gonna hit like a ton of bricks. I wonder if there's a sound that's good for all 3 doshas just as there are a few foods that are good for all 3. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? I need to find the Primordial Sound tape as I think it has the Gayatri Mantra on it. In ayurveda Om is considered useful to calm vata though Ram is favored. On 02/28/2013 06:30 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 6, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/ykqy7zh Other titles of interst: 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press; 2004 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice' by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur Hohm Press, 2001
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: When all the snow starts melting, the kaphaness of kapha season is gonna hit like a ton of bricks. I wonder if there's a sound that's good for all 3 doshas just as there are a few foods that are good for all 3. I have it on great authority that the sound of gargling is the ticket in terms of the ultimate anti-kapha sound and the food of choice is candy corn but made with molasses not brown sugar. Oh, and in a pinch, spinach with a little malt vinegar and pepper is marvelous for that pesky kaphaness. Happy Spring! From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?  I need to find the Primordial Sound tape as I think it has the Gayatri Mantra on it. In ayurveda Om is considered useful to calm vata though Ram is favored. On 02/28/2013 06:30 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
You mean the monsoon season? Today in California it was winter overnight, spring in the morning, summer in the afternoon and fall in the evening. :-D I found the tape. I need to digitize it so it's easier to find sections and EQ it better. Om Rama Krisna Hari is for pitta but may also be tridoshic. On 02/28/2013 01:07 PM, Share Long wrote: When all the snow starts melting, the kaphaness of kapha season is gonna hit like a ton of bricks. I wonder if there's a sound that's good for all 3 doshas just as there are a few foods that are good for all 3. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? I need to find the Primordial Sound tape as I think it has the Gayatri Mantra on it. In ayurveda Om is considered useful to calm vata though Ram is favored. On 02/28/2013 06:30 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex Newsgroups
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: snip The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. Real Samadhi? By being buried. How does that work exactly? The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 6, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/ykqy7zh Other titles of interst: 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press; 2004 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice' by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur Hohm Press, 2001
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
You are funny Ann. Thanks for making me smile. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: When all the snow starts melting, the kaphaness of kapha season is gonna hit like a ton of bricks. I wonder if there's a sound that's good for all 3 doshas just as there are a few foods that are good for all 3. I have it on great authority that the sound of gargling is the ticket in terms of the ultimate anti-kapha sound and the food of choice is candy corn but made with molasses not brown sugar. Oh, and in a pinch, spinach with a little malt vinegar and pepper is marvelous for that pesky kaphaness. Happy Spring! From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?  I need to find the Primordial Sound tape as I think it has the Gayatri Mantra on it. In ayurveda Om is considered useful to calm vata though Ram is favored. On 02/28/2013 06:30 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: You are funny Ann. Thanks for making me smile. And thanks for taking this the 'right' way. I really do like to play around and, even more than that, I like it when people don't take me too seriously. I sort of wonder if Share didn't think I was being negative but we all have to have a laugh at each other and at ourselves once in a while - don't we? I mean, I laugh at myself all the time and I definitely laugh at others. The whole human condition, if you don't chuckle at it once in a while, is positively cringe-worthy or at least worth a tear or two. But you really do have a lot of heart even if you run a little too often for that suit of armour of yours when you're playing knight. Still, there are far worse faults plus, I see I'm growing on you! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: When all the snow starts melting, the kaphaness of kapha season is gonna hit like a ton of bricks. I wonder if there's a sound that's good for all 3 doshas just as there are a few foods that are good for all 3. I have it on great authority that the sound of gargling is the ticket in terms of the ultimate anti-kapha sound and the food of choice is candy corn but made with molasses not brown sugar. Oh, and in a pinch, spinach with a little malt vinegar and pepper is marvelous for that pesky kaphaness. Happy Spring! From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?  I need to find the Primordial Sound tape as I think it has the Gayatri Mantra on it. In ayurveda Om is considered useful to calm vata though Ram is favored. On 02/28/2013 06:30 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
Sorry, wrong link I think, http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/about-tm.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: Is the description from David Lynch's website more honest? Where does the TM technique come from? The Transcendental Meditation technique is thousands of years oldit comes from an unbroken tradition of meditation instruction from ancient India. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi first introduced the technique to the West over 50 years ago. It was Maharishi's idea to subject the TM technique to scientific scrutiny in order to establish its practical benefits to daily life. Maharishi has trained tens of thousands of TM teachers who are providing TM instruction in all parts of the world. In a recent cover story on science and meditation, Time magazine recently credited Maharishi for the revival of meditation and yoga in the U.S. and around the globe. http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/about-tm.html Where does the TM technique come from?The Transcendental Meditation technique is thousands of years oldit comes from an unbroken tradition of meditation instruction from ancient India. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi first introduced the technique to the West over 50 years ago. It was Maharishi's idea to subject the TM technique to scientific scrutiny in order to establish its practical benefits to daily life. Maharishi has trained tens of thousands of TM teachers who are providing TM instruction in all parts of the world. In a recent cover story on science and meditation, Time magazine recently credited Maharishi for the revival of meditation and yoga in the U.S. and around the globe. http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/about-tm.html Also no picture of Maharishi on the whole website, but a watermark image of David on every page. Where did the TM technique come from? The Transcendental Meditation technique is based on the ancient Vedic tradition of enlightenment in India. This knowledge has been handed down by Vedic masters from generation to generation for thousands of years. About 50 years ago, Maharishi the representative in our age of the Vedic tradition introduced Transcendental Meditation to the world, restoring the knowledge and experience of higher states of consciousness at this critical time for humanity. When we teach the Transcendental Meditation technique today, we maintain the same procedures used by teachers thousands of years ago for maximum effectiveness. http://www.tm.org/meditation-techniques http://www.tm.org/meditation-techniques Btw. the www.TM.org http://www.TM.org website seems to have received an overhaul.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 6, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/ykqy7zh Other titles of interst: 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press; 2004 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice' by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur Hohm Press, 2001
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 02/27/2013 04:38 AM, navashok wrote: Is the description from David Lynch's website more honest? Where does the TM technique come from? The Transcendental Meditation technique is thousands of years oldit comes from an unbroken tradition of meditation instruction from ancient India. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi first introduced the technique to the West over 50 years ago. It was Maharishi's idea to subject the TM technique to scientific scrutiny in order to establish its practical benefits to daily life. Maharishi has trained tens of thousands of TM teachers who are providing TM instruction in all parts of the world. In a recent cover story on science and meditation, Time magazine recently credited Maharishi for the revival of meditation and yoga in the U.S. and around the globe. http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/about-tm.html Where does the TM technique come from?The Transcendental Meditation technique is thousands of years oldit comes from an unbroken tradition of meditation instruction from ancient India. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi first introduced the technique to the West over 50 years ago. It was Maharishi's idea to subject the TM technique to scientific scrutiny in order to establish its practical benefits to daily life. Maharishi has trained tens of thousands of TM teachers who are providing TM instruction in all parts of the world. In a recent cover story on science and meditation, Time magazine recently credited Maharishi for the revival of meditation and yoga in the U.S. and around the globe. http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/about-tm.html Also no picture of Maharishi on the whole website, but a watermark image of David on every page. Where did the TM technique come from? The Transcendental Meditation technique is based on the ancient Vedic tradition of enlightenment in India. This knowledge has been handed down by Vedic masters from generation to generation for thousands of years. About 50 years ago, Maharishi the representative in our age of the Vedic tradition introduced Transcendental Meditation to the world, restoring the knowledge and experience of higher states of consciousness at this critical time for humanity. When we teach the Transcendental Meditation technique today, we maintain the same procedures used by teachers thousands of years ago for maximum effectiveness. http://www.tm.org/meditation-techniques http://www.tm.org/meditation-techniques Btw. the www.TM.org http://www.TM.org website seems to have received an overhaul. There is nothing that unique about TM. If you learn some mantra shastra you can see that. Maharishi started out with a more conventional technique for the masses. The later set of mantras almost look like they were inspired by ayurveda. Perhaps Swami Lakshman Joo suggested the newer scheme to him. Interesting view. One thing: In India TM was always taught in a different way, according to the persons Ishta Devata. That means, right from the start, Maharishi gave more than just two mantras, like initially in the west. Only after the newspapers in Norway started to write about these two mantras did he switch to his new scheme. So you can see two major shifts: From the Indian Ishta devata system to the western two mantra system, when he went to America, from the two mantra system to a multi-mantra system in Norway, towards the end of the 60ies. In India itself the teaching may never have changed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 6, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/ykqy7zh Other titles of interst: 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press; 2004 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice' by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur Hohm Press, 2001
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 6, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/ykqy7zh Other titles of interst: 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press; 2004 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice' by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur Hohm Press, 2001
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 6, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/ykqy7zh Other titles of interst: 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press; 2004 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice' by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur Hohm Press, 2001
