[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many "gurus" shun siddhis? Part 1
The word is marana - death causing. Hindi speakers like to drop the last syllable if it is an *a*. Just remember it as *mrita/amrita*- mortal/immortal. This word is contain in many mantras along with *phat*, the so-called weapon bija, used to burn away dross and the armor mantra *hum* (hoom/hoong). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > > > > Bhairitu: > > This is how siddhis are used in my tantric tradition. > > For example we learn the maran siddhis to help someone > > who has supposedly had a maran spell cast on them... > > > That makes a lot of sense - casting a 'spell' on someone > who has had a spell cast upon them. A spell to get rid > of a spell. Yes, that's the ticket. Now, if you could > only learn to spell! > > maran: > > Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: Search Results > No entries found. > > http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many "gurus" shun siddhis? Part 1
WillyTex wrote: > Bhairitu: > >> This is how siddhis are used in my tantric tradition. >> For example we learn the maran siddhis to help someone >> who has supposedly had a maran spell cast on them... >> >> > That makes a lot of sense - casting a 'spell' on someone > who has had a spell cast upon them. A spell to get rid > of a spell. Yes, that's the ticket. Now, if you could > only learn to spell! > > maran: > > Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: Search Results > No entries found. > > http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche Tamil? ROTFL! You need some smarts Willy. It's in both my Hindi and Sanskrit dictionaries. You must not know Devanagari. You REALLY need to get some smarts but I don't know what you would do with them since you don't have a brain in your head. Maran = kill. And you don't cast a spell to get rid of the "spell."
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many "gurus" shun siddhis? Part 1
Bhairitu: > This is how siddhis are used in my tantric tradition. > For example we learn the maran siddhis to help someone > who has supposedly had a maran spell cast on them... > That makes a lot of sense - casting a 'spell' on someone who has had a spell cast upon them. A spell to get rid of a spell. Yes, that's the ticket. Now, if you could only learn to spell! maran: Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: Search Results No entries found. http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many "gurus" shun siddhis? Part 1
yifuxero: > Among the Gurus claiming or implying that they have > Siddhis, I have difficulty fathoming why they would > then beg for money from their followers... > That's because manifesting $$$ and begging from your followers are one and the same thing, but begging is a little easier, if you're good at mind-control. The Zen Master Rama obtained hundreds of thousands of dollars in this way. All you have to do is have some schmuck put up posters all over the place promising instant enlightenment. Then, you invite selected schweps to meet you in the desert at night, give them some LSD, play a few mind games, and then brainwash them to give you thousands of dollars just to be in your presence. Turq calls this technique 'siddhis', but Curtis likes to call this kind of schtick, selling snake-oil; Hugo says it is criminal. Apparently this works on some people like Turq, Curtis, and Hugo, who have given up thousands of dollars to the fakirs, over a very long period of time. >From what I've read, Curtis once gave Chopra $700 for medical advice, but all Curtis got was the word for water. Turq gave the Maharishi over $5,000 to learn how to 'bum-hop', and all Turq got was a chance to be a Marshy 'door-guard'. Not sure what Hugo got for his money, probably nothing, but Hugo seems to have went all the way, and paid for six-months of training in how to take a 'nap'. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many "gurus" shun siddhis? Part 1
> > he regularly used them to offset subtle negative > > influences, such as evil spirits and elementals... > > TurquoiseB: > I think you meant to say that he *believed* that he > was dispelling subtle negative influences > You're a True Believer (TB) - nothing in your report below suggests that you did or did not not believe in Rama's 'supernatural powers' - these events that you witnessed are reported by you as FACTS, not beliefs. What's up with that? "This sounds like a pretty normal event, and it is, but you have to consider that standing next to me was the gentleman I had seen a few hours ago in the desert disappearing and walking several inches above the ground and making the stars move around..." Road Trip Mind: http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many "gurus" shun siddhis? Part 1
TurquoiseB wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > >> One of my Teachers - Hsuan Hua - stated that when he was living >> in Hong Kong (10 years?...I've forgotten); no typhoons hit the >> City due to the fact that he was using siddhis to block or >> dissipate the typhoons. Although he rarely used siddhis to >> directly impact the physical world; he regularly used them to >> offset subtle negative influences, such as evil spirits and >> elementals. >> http://www.cttbusa.org/founder.asp >> > > I think you meant to say that he *believed* that he > was dispelling subtle negative influences. So did > Son of Sam. :-) > > If someone here is claiming that such a mindset is > not common in the TM movement, they're either crazy > or haven't spent any time in it. I mean, just here > on FFL we have examples of it. Think Card's many > posts about some TM-sidhis course in some area of > Europe affecting the weather. Think of Nabby. And > this is to say nothing about many of Doug's/Buck's > condescending posts about how "special" Fairfielders > or "meditators" are. > > *Of course* the first thought that went through > Chopra's mind was that he "caused" the earthquake. > No one who has read his articles or books, or seen > him talk, could doubt this for a moment. > > On another subject entirely, I think Bhairitu's > answer to the question I posed below is a good one, > and possibly the *only* good one. > > The reason is that it's all about fun, not ego. > > Anyone who wants to learn siddhis to either > "control nature" or convince other people that > they can is setting themselves up for some heavy- > duty karma, plus an incarnation or two spent in > ignorance. And that's why good teachers won't teach the siddhis to someone who has an ego driven reason to learn them. As for them working I think they are beyond the current human level of understanding. I wish I had saved a web site once by a westerner who had studied tantra and had very good article on why he thought they worked. I see human beings as something like mobile phones. We can both transmit and receive either on the gross level through speech and direct action but also through transmitted thoughts. The latter only works if one has a lot of concentrated shakti to direct. It's like a 1 KW radio station doesn't broadcast very far compared with a 50,000 KW.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many "gurus" shun siddhis? Part 1
This is how siddhis are used in my tantric tradition. For example we learn the maran siddhis to help someone who has supposedly had a maran spell cast on them. yifuxero wrote: > One of my Teachers - Hsuan Hua - stated that when he was living in Hong Kong > (10 years?...I've forgotten); no typhoons hit the City due to the fact that > he was using siddhis to block or dissipate the typhoons. Although he rarely > used siddhis to directly impact the physical world; he regularly used them to > offset subtle negative influences, such as evil spirits and elementals. > http://www.cttbusa.org/founder.asp > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > >> Something more interesting to do other than chop wood and carry water. >> :-D >> >> TurquoiseB wrote: >> >>> Card, with all due respect, a more relevant question >>> might be, "Why would anyone *want* siddhis?" >>> >>> I pose this as a question for those on this forum who >>> might fall into that category, and look forward to >>> their answers. >>> >>> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: >>> >>> I think there are at least two possible basic reasons, why many modern Indian "gurus" despise paatañjala-yoga-siddhis: 1. The negative influence of Islam and Christianity 2. Many "gurus" might not be that fluent in Sanskrit... >>> >>> >>> > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many "gurus" shun siddhis? Part 1
Quite true! I had (and still do) some major differences of opinion with Hsuan Hua. I'm hoping to acquire Siddhis to be able to predict the future, especially the stocks, commodities and most important, the Forex markets. Among the Gurus claiming or implying that they have Siddhis, I have difficulty fathoming why they would then beg for money from their followers. Manifesting $$ should be one of easiest of Siddhis to acquire; easier than perhaps - some of the Siddhis mentioned in Autobiography of a Yogi. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > > > One of my Teachers - Hsuan Hua - stated that when he was living > > in Hong Kong (10 years?...I've forgotten); no typhoons hit the > > City due to the fact that he was using siddhis to block or > > dissipate the typhoons. Although he rarely used siddhis to > > directly impact the physical world; he regularly used them to > > offset subtle negative influences, such as evil spirits and > > elementals. > > http://www.cttbusa.org/founder.asp > > I think you meant to say that he *believed* that he > was dispelling subtle negative influences. So did > Son of Sam. :-) > > If someone here is claiming that such a mindset is > not common in the TM movement, they're either crazy > or haven't spent any time in it. I mean, just here > on FFL we have examples of it. Think Card's many > posts about some TM-sidhis course in some area of > Europe affecting the weather. Think of Nabby. And > this is to say nothing about many of Doug's/Buck's > condescending posts about how "special" Fairfielders > or "meditators" are. > > *Of course* the first thought that went through > Chopra's mind was that he "caused" the earthquake. > No one who has read his articles or books, or seen > him talk, could doubt this for a moment. > > On another subject entirely, I think Bhairitu's > answer to the question I posed below is a good one, > and possibly the *only* good one. > > The reason is that it's all about fun, not ego. > > Anyone who wants to learn siddhis to either > "control nature" or convince other people that > they can is setting themselves up for some heavy- > duty karma, plus an incarnation or two spent in > ignorance. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > > Something more interesting to do other than chop wood and > > > carry water. > > > :-D > > > > > > TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > Card, with all due respect, a more relevant question > > > > might be, "Why would anyone *want* siddhis?" > > > > > > > > I pose this as a question for those on this forum who > > > > might fall into that category, and look forward to > > > > their answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > > > > > >> I think there are at least two possible basic reasons, why > > > >> many modern Indian "gurus" despise paatañjala-yoga-siddhis: > > > >> > > > >> 1. The negative influence of Islam and Christianity > > > >> > > > >> 2. Many "gurus" might not be that fluent in Sanskrit... >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many "gurus" shun siddhis? Part 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > One of my Teachers - Hsuan Hua - stated that when he was living > in Hong Kong (10 years?...I've forgotten); no typhoons hit the > City due to the fact that he was using siddhis to block or > dissipate the typhoons. Although he rarely used siddhis to > directly impact the physical world; he regularly used them to > offset subtle negative influences, such as evil spirits and > elementals. > http://www.cttbusa.org/founder.asp I think you meant to say that he *believed* that he was dispelling subtle negative influences. So did Son of Sam. :-) If someone here is claiming that such a mindset is not common in the TM movement, they're either crazy or haven't spent any time in it. I mean, just here on FFL we have examples of it. Think Card's many posts about some TM-sidhis course in some area of Europe affecting the weather. Think of Nabby. And this is to say nothing about many of Doug's/Buck's condescending posts about how "special" Fairfielders or "meditators" are. *Of course* the first thought that went through Chopra's mind was that he "caused" the earthquake. No one who has read his articles or books, or seen him talk, could doubt this for a moment. On another subject entirely, I think Bhairitu's answer to the question I posed below is a good one, and possibly the *only* good one. The reason is that it's all about fun, not ego. Anyone who wants to learn siddhis to either "control nature" or convince other people that they can is setting themselves up for some heavy- duty karma, plus an incarnation or two spent in ignorance. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > Something more interesting to do other than chop wood and > > carry water. > > :-D > > > > TurquoiseB wrote: > > > Card, with all due respect, a more relevant question > > > might be, "Why would anyone *want* siddhis?" > > > > > > I pose this as a question for those on this forum who > > > might fall into that category, and look forward to > > > their answers. > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > > > >> I think there are at least two possible basic reasons, why > > >> many modern Indian "gurus" despise paatañjala-yoga-siddhis: > > >> > > >> 1. The negative influence of Islam and Christianity > > >> > > >> 2. Many "gurus" might not be that fluent in Sanskrit...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many "gurus" shun siddhis? Part 1
One of my Teachers - Hsuan Hua - stated that when he was living in Hong Kong (10 years?...I've forgotten); no typhoons hit the City due to the fact that he was using siddhis to block or dissipate the typhoons. Although he rarely used siddhis to directly impact the physical world; he regularly used them to offset subtle negative influences, such as evil spirits and elementals. http://www.cttbusa.org/founder.asp --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > Something more interesting to do other than chop wood and carry water. > :-D > > TurquoiseB wrote: > > Card, with all due respect, a more relevant question > > might be, "Why would anyone *want* siddhis?" > > > > I pose this as a question for those on this forum who > > might fall into that category, and look forward to > > their answers. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > >> I think there are at least two possible basic reasons, why > >> many modern Indian "gurus" despise paatañjala-yoga-siddhis: > >> > >> 1. The negative influence of Islam and Christianity > >> > >> 2. Many "gurus" might not be that fluent in Sanskrit... > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many "gurus" shun siddhis? Part 1
Something more interesting to do other than chop wood and carry water. :-D TurquoiseB wrote: > Card, with all due respect, a more relevant question > might be, "Why would anyone *want* siddhis?" > > I pose this as a question for those on this forum who > might fall into that category, and look forward to > their answers. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > >> I think there are at least two possible basic reasons, why >> many modern Indian "gurus" despise paatañjala-yoga-siddhis: >> >> 1. The negative influence of Islam and Christianity >> >> 2. Many "gurus" might not be that fluent in Sanskrit... >> >> > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many "gurus" shun siddhis? Part 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > Patanjali actually states "These experiences resulting > from samyama are obstacles to samadhi, but appear to be > attainments or powers to the worldly mind." >From the perspective of MMY's teaching on how to practice the sutras, that's a technical instruction, not a warning. > Some Naths even consider chapter four a later forgery > inserted by those sneaky Buddhists. Correct, but that isn't the siddhis chapter, of course (as if Vaj didn't know!).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many "gurus" shun siddhis? Part 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > Card, with all due respect, a more relevant question > > might be, "Why would anyone *want* siddhis?" > > Well, according to Maadhava VidyaaraNya's Shankara-dig- > vijaya, the Great Shankara himself utilized "cittasya > para-shariiraaveshaH" (entering another's body, III 39) > to get "kaama-suutric" knowledge (in the body of a > recently deceased king, "abusing" his harem). > > I seem to recall Shankara also flew yogicly with his pupils > over some mountains to a near-by village. But I'm not absolutely > sure about that. So you're saying that the reason you would want to learn to perform siddhis is that a dead person who we are told wrote some stuff claimed that he performed them. Cool, I guess. I would have thought that you might have more well- thought out reasons for wanting to learn them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many "gurus" shun siddhis? Part 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > Card, with all due respect, a more relevant question > might be, "Why would anyone *want* siddhis?" Well, according to Maadhava VidyaaraNya's Shankara-dig- vijaya, the Great Shankara himself utilized "cittasya para-shariiraaveshaH" (entering another's body, III 39) to get "kaama-suutric" knowledge (in the body of a recently deceased king, "abusing" his harem). I seem to recall Shankara also flew yogicly with his pupils over some mountains to a near-by village. But I'm not absolutely sure about that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many "gurus" shun siddhis? Part 1
> > I think there are at least two possible basic > > reasons, why many modern Indian "gurus" despise > > paatañjala-yoga-siddhis: > > TurquoiseB: > > Card, with all due respect, a more relevant > question might be, "Why would anyone *want* > siddhis?" > > I pose this as a question for those on this > forum who might fall into that category, and > look forward to their answers. > > "Why would anyone *want* siddhis?" > So, with all due respect, why did the Rama Lenz like to display the 'siddhis', if in fact, they are detrimental to spiritual progress on the path to enlightenment? My answer: Rama was able to pass out LSD in the desert at night, and then brainwash ordinary folks into believing that their drug-induced illusions of levitation were real. As for the 'golden' light, obviously someone just turned on the house lights. "I studied with a guy who could turn huge rooms in convention centers gold, to the point where even the security guards saw it, but that never made me think he was enlightened, only that he could do cool things with light..." From: Uncle Tantra Subject: Re: Two simple questions Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: March 16, 2003 > > 1. The negative influence of Islam and Christianity > > > > 2. Many "gurus" might not be that fluent in Sanskrit... > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many "gurus" shun siddhis? Part 1
On Apr 7, 2010, at 9:47 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Card, with all due respect, a more relevant question might be, "Why would anyone *want* siddhis?" So you can imagine your ego is connected to world events, like earthquakes, hurricanes, the stock market and stuff like that. It's expansion of consciousness baby!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do many "gurus" shun siddhis? Part 1
Card, with all due respect, a more relevant question might be, "Why would anyone *want* siddhis?" I pose this as a question for those on this forum who might fall into that category, and look forward to their answers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > I think there are at least two possible basic reasons, why > many modern Indian "gurus" despise paatañjala-yoga-siddhis: > > 1. The negative influence of Islam and Christianity > > 2. Many "gurus" might not be that fluent in Sanskrit... >
