Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget
City problems are due to really incompetent people running them be they Republican or Democrat. They've done stupid things like offer unsustainable pension plans to attract new employees. I still think those were sold to them because Wall Street wanted to gamble with that money. We've allowed these people to run things because the public is generally apathetic and a lot of city elections are confusing and corrupt. On 08/17/2015 04:51 PM, William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Reagan was NOT a city mayor but was state federal HIS time lifted my boat still in part does 4 many thanks to the tax changes more !4 It LIFT not like bu the did enjoy boating I note, With respect a smile cities are stil in it many close to bankruptcy ! I as is the Fed affecting our great G.G.G Great grand children, the un born to my perhaps our regret Bring on the Ryan Budget soon! -Original Message- From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2015 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Reagan didn't life all boats either and neither did the Bushes so it's not just the Democrats fault. On 08/17/2015 06:49 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Misery loves company. *From:* William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* brandon.sun...@gmail.com; bobandjanet...@verizon.net; karenhmc...@aol.com; dorothea...@hotmail.com; latinus17_latinu...@hotmail.com; tom.hebe...@gmail.com; rfl...@brocku.ca; rf2...@yahoo.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; herman rodenberg hermanrodenb...@msn.com; dlf5...@gmail.com; slingshoote...@gmail.com; slsmith...@yahoo.com; fl...@comcast.net; l.donaldl...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2015 8:26 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Fwd: -Original Message- From: Lawrence Smith lawrencesmi...@frontier.com Sent: Sun, Aug 16, 2015 9:18 pm *10 Poorest Cities in America (How did it happen?) City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit , MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo , NY 29.9% 3. Cincinnati , OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland , OH 27.0% 5. Miami , FL 26.9% 5. St. Louis , MO 26.8% 7. El Paso , TX 26.4% 8. Milwaukee , WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia , PA 25.1% 10. Newark , NJ 24.2%* * What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?* * Detroit, MI - (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961 * Buffalo, NY - (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954 * Cincinnati, OH - (3rd) not since 1984 * Cleveland, OH - (4th) not since 1989 * Miami, FL- (5th) has never had a Republican mayor * St. Louis, MO - (6th) not since 1949 * El Paso, TX - (7th) has never had a Republican mayor * Milwaukee, WI - (8th) not since 1908 * Philadelphia, PA - (9th) not since 1952 * Newark, NJ - (10th) not since 1907 Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.' * It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats... Yet they are still POOR.* * You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. * You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. * You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. * You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. * You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. * You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. * You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves. * Abraham Lincoln*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget
Not so sure the cities *offer* these unsustainable pensions as much as the
unions demand them. Cities are stuck kicking the can down the road for some
other mayor to fix.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget
City problems are due to really incompetent people running them be they
Republican or Democrat. They've done stupid things like offer unsustainable
pension plans to attract new employees. I still think those were sold to them
because Wall Street wanted to gamble with that money. We've allowed these
people to run things because the public is generally apathetic and a lot of
city elections are confusing and corrupt.
On 08/17/2015 04:51 PM, William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Reagan was NOT a city mayor but was state federal HIS time lifted my
boat still in part does 4 many thanks to the tax changes more !4
It LIFT not like bu the did enjoy boating I note, With respect a smile
cities are stil in it many close to bankruptcy ! I as is the Fed affecting
our great G.G.G Great grand children, the un born to my perhaps our regret
Bring on the Ryan Budget soon!
-Original Message-
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2015 12:34 pm
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd:
Reagan didn't life all boats either and neither did the Bushes so it's not
just the Democrats fault.
On 08/17/2015 06:49 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Misery loves company.
From: William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: brandon.sun...@gmail.com; bobandjanet...@verizon.net; karenhmc...@aol.com;
dorothea...@hotmail.com; latinus17_latinu...@hotmail.com;
tom.hebe...@gmail.com; rfl...@brocku.ca; rf2...@yahoo.com;
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; herman rodenberg hermanrodenb...@msn.com;
dlf5...@gmail.com; slingshoote...@gmail.com; slsmith...@yahoo.com;
fl...@comcast.net; l.donaldl...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:26 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd:
-Original Message-
From: Lawrence Smith lawrencesmi...@frontier.com
Sent: Sun, Aug 16, 2015 9:18 pm
10 Poorest Cities in America (How did it happen?)
City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level
1. Detroit , MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo , NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati , OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland , OH 27.0%
5. Miami , FL 26.9%
5. St. Louis , MO 26.8%
7. El Paso , TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee , WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia , PA 25.1%
10. Newark , NJ 24.2%
What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all
have in common?
- Detroit, MI - (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican
mayor since 1961
- Buffalo, NY - (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954
- Cincinnati, OH - (3rd) not since 1984
- Cleveland, OH - (4th) not since 1989
- Miami, FL - (5th) has never had a Republican mayor
- St. Louis, MO - (6th) not since 1949
- El Paso, TX - (7th) has never had a Republican mayor
- Milwaukee, WI - (8th) not since 1908
- Philadelphia, PA - (9th) not since 1952
- Newark, NJ - (10th) not since 1907
Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the
same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'
It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats... Yet they are still
POOR.
- You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
- You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
- You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
- You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
- You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
- You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative
and independence.
- You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and
should do for themselves.
Abraham Lincoln
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Ur cavort emptor NOT us all as in hte Fed Gov.
cavort emptor In a message dated 08/18/15 15:48:42 Eastern Daylight Time, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com writes: There is a good chance that mine may be cut next year. I have a teamster pension. So far, UPS has been responsible for paying it but next year the teamster take control.They are severely underfunded because they've taken the money UPS contributed for it's employees and paid pensions for retirees of other companies that didn't contribute as much leaving them underfunded. Now they say they will have to make *tuff* choices, cutting pensions from as much as $3,ooo a month or more to $700. They say they won't cut pensions of someone over 80 or of someone disabled. I was forced into retirement due to disability and currently on SS disability. However, I don't trust them. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Pensions were never meant to keep paying the salary you received when working. They were made to make your retirement more comfortable than just having Social Security. Same was true in selling the idea of 401Ks and we know how well that worked out. Unless you are a money hound and at least an amateur stockbroker these often don't work out well at all. I've read some posts on a board from folks getting these pensions and admitting that though they're nice to get weren't really all that necessary. On 08/18/2015 12:03 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not so sure the cities *offer* these unsustainable pensions as much as the unions demand them. Cities are stuck kicking the can down the road for some other mayor to fix. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget City problems are due to really incompetent people running them be they Republican or Democrat. They've done stupid things like offer unsustainable pension plans to attract new employees. I still think those were sold to them because Wall Street wanted to gamble with that money. We've allowed these people to run things because the public is generally apathetic and a lot of city elections are confusing and corrupt. On 08/17/2015 04:51 PM, William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Reagan was NOT a city mayor but was state federal HIS time lifted my boat still in part does 4 many thanks to the tax changes more !4 It LIFT not like bu the did enjoy boating I note, With respect a smile cities are stil in it many close to bankruptcy ! I as is the Fed affecting our great G.G.G Great grand children, the un born to my perhaps our regret Bring on the Ryan Budget soon! -Original Message- From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2015 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Reagan didn't life all boats either and neither did the Bushes so it's not just the Democrats fault. On 08/17/2015 06:49 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Misery loves company. From: William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: brandon.sun...@gmail.com; bobandjanet...@verizon.net; karenhmc...@aol.com; dorothea...@hotmail.com; latinus17_latinu...@hotmail.com; tom.hebe...@gmail.com; rfl...@brocku.ca; rf2...@yahoo.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; herman rodenberg hermanrodenb...@msn.com; dlf5...@gmail.com; slingshoote...@gmail.com; slsmith...@yahoo.com; fl...@comcast.net; l.donaldl...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: -Original Message- From: Lawrence Smith lawrencesmi...@frontier.com Sent: Sun, Aug 16, 2015 9:18 pm 10 Poorest Cities in America (How did it happen?) City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit , MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo , NY 29.9% 3. Cincinnati , OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland , OH 27.0% 5. Miami , FL 26.9% 5. St. Louis , MO 26.8% 7. El Paso , TX 26.4% 8. Milwaukee , WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia , PA 25.1% 10. Newark , NJ 24.2% What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common? Detroit, MI - (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961 Buffalo, NY - (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954 Cincinnati, OH - (3rd) not since 1984 Cleveland, OH - (4th) not since 1989 Miami, FL- (5th) has never had a Republican mayor St. Louis, MO - (6th) not since 1949 El Paso, TX - (7th) has never had a Republican mayor Milwaukee, WI - (8th) not since 1908 Philadelphia, PA - (9th) not since 1952 Newark, NJ - (10th) not since 1907 Einstein once said, 'The definition
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget
There is a good chance that mine may be cut next year. I have a teamster pension. So far, UPS has been responsible for paying it but next year the teamster take control.They are severely underfunded because they've taken the money UPS contributed for it's employees and paid pensions for retirees of other companies that didn't contribute as much leaving them underfunded. Now they say they will have to make *tuff* choices, cutting pensions from as much as $3,ooo a month or more to $700. They say they won't cut pensions of someone over 80 or of someone disabled. I was forced into retirement due to disability and currently on SS disability. However, I don't trust them. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Pensions were never meant to keep paying the salary you received when working. They were made to make your retirement more comfortable than just having Social Security. Same was true in selling the idea of 401Ks and we know how well that worked out. Unless you are a money hound and at least an amateur stockbroker these often don't work out well at all. I've read some posts on a board from folks getting these pensions and admitting that though they're nice to get weren't really all that necessary. On 08/18/2015 12:03 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not so sure the cities *offer* these unsustainable pensions as much as the unions demand them. Cities are stuck kicking the can down the road for some other mayor to fix. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget City problems are due to really incompetent people running them be they Republican or Democrat. They've done stupid things like offer unsustainable pension plans to attract new employees. I still think those were sold to them because Wall Street wanted to gamble with that money. We've allowed these people to run things because the public is generally apathetic and a lot of city elections are confusing and corrupt. On 08/17/2015 04:51 PM, William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Reagan was NOT a city mayor but was state federal HIS time lifted my boat still in part does 4 many thanks to the tax changes more !4 It LIFT not like bu the did enjoy boating I note, With respect a smile cities are stil in it many close to bankruptcy ! I as is the Fed affecting our great G.G.G Great grand children, the un born to my perhaps our regret Bring on the Ryan Budget soon! -Original Message- From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2015 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Reagan didn't life all boats either and neither did the Bushes so it's not just the Democrats fault. On 08/17/2015 06:49 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Misery loves company. From: William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: brandon.sun...@gmail.com; bobandjanet...@verizon.net; karenhmc...@aol.com; dorothea...@hotmail.com; latinus17_latinu...@hotmail.com; tom.hebe...@gmail.com; rfl...@brocku.ca; rf2...@yahoo.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; herman rodenberg hermanrodenb...@msn.com; dlf5...@gmail.com; slingshoote...@gmail.com; slsmith...@yahoo.com; fl...@comcast.net; l.donaldl...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: -Original Message- From: Lawrence Smith lawrencesmi...@frontier.com Sent: Sun, Aug 16, 2015 9:18 pm 10 Poorest Cities in America (How did it happen?) City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit , MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo , NY 29.9% 3. Cincinnati , OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland , OH 27.0% 5. Miami , FL 26.9% 5. St. Louis , MO 26.8% 7. El Paso , TX 26.4% 8. Milwaukee , WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia , PA 25.1% 10. Newark , NJ 24.2% What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common? - Detroit, MI - (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961 - Buffalo, NY - (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954 - Cincinnati, OH - (3rd) not since 1984 - Cleveland, OH - (4th) not since 1989 - Miami, FL - (5th) has never had a Republican mayor - St. Louis, MO - (6th) not since 1949 - El Paso, TX - (7th) has never had a Republican mayor - Milwaukee, WI - (8th) not since 1908 - Philadelphia, PA - (9th) not since 1952 - Newark, NJ - (10th
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget
Pensions were never meant to keep paying the salary you received when working. They were made to make your retirement more comfortable than just having Social Security. Same was true in selling the idea of 401Ks and we know how well that worked out. Unless you are a money hound and at least an amateur stockbroker these often don't work out well at all. I've read some posts on a board from folks getting these pensions and admitting that though they're nice to get weren't really all that necessary. On 08/18/2015 12:03 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not so sure the cities *offer* these unsustainable pensions as much as the unions demand them. Cities are stuck kicking the can down the road for some other mayor to fix. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget City problems are due to really incompetent people running them be they Republican or Democrat. They've done stupid things like offer unsustainable pension plans to attract new employees. I still think those were sold to them because Wall Street wanted to gamble with that money. We've allowed these people to run things because the public is generally apathetic and a lot of city elections are confusing and corrupt. On 08/17/2015 04:51 PM, William Leed wle...@aol.com mailto:wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Reagan was NOT a city mayor but was state federal HIS time lifted my boat still in part does 4 many thanks to the tax changes more !4 It LIFT not like bu the did enjoy boating I note, With respect a smile cities are stil in it many close to bankruptcy ! I as is the Fed affecting our great G.G.G Great grand children, the un born to my perhaps our regret Bring on the Ryan Budget soon! -Original Message- From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2015 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Reagan didn't life all boats either and neither did the Bushes so it's not just the Democrats fault. On 08/17/2015 06:49 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Misery loves company. *From:* William Leed wle...@aol.com mailto:wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* brandon.sun...@gmail.com mailto:brandon.sun...@gmail.com; bobandjanet...@verizon.net mailto:bobandjanet...@verizon.net; karenhmc...@aol.com mailto:karenhmc...@aol.com; dorothea...@hotmail.com mailto:dorothea...@hotmail.com; latinus17_latinu...@hotmail.com mailto:latinus17_latinu...@hotmail.com; tom.hebe...@gmail.com mailto:tom.hebe...@gmail.com; rfl...@brocku.ca mailto:rfl...@brocku.ca; rf2...@yahoo.com mailto:rf2...@yahoo.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; herman rodenberg hermanrodenb...@msn.com mailto:hermanrodenb...@msn.com; dlf5...@gmail.com mailto:dlf5...@gmail.com; slingshoote...@gmail.com mailto:slingshoote...@gmail.com; slsmith...@yahoo.com mailto:slsmith...@yahoo.com; fl...@comcast.net mailto:fl...@comcast.net; l.donaldl...@gmail.com mailto:l.donaldl...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2015 8:26 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Fwd: -Original Message- From: Lawrence Smith lawrencesmi...@frontier.com mailto:lawrencesmi...@frontier.com Sent: Sun, Aug 16, 2015 9:18 pm *10 Poorest Cities in America (How did it happen?) City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit , MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo , NY 29.9% 3. Cincinnati , OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland , OH 27.0% 5. Miami , FL 26.9% 5. St. Louis , MO 26.8% 7. El Paso , TX 26.4% 8. Milwaukee , WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia , PA 25.1% 10. Newark , NJ 24.2%* * What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?* * Detroit, MI - (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961 * Buffalo, NY - (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954 * Cincinnati, OH - (3rd) not since 1984 * Cleveland, OH - (4th) not since 1989 * Miami, FL- (5th) has never had a Republican mayor * St. Louis, MO - (6th) not since 1949 * El Paso, TX - (7th) has never had a Republican mayor * Milwaukee, WI - (8th) not since 1908 * Philadelphia, PA - (9th) not since 1952 * Newark, NJ - (10th) not since 1907
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget its lack of consciouness which results in low wages better ones SELF go 2 school
The cause of every problem is the lack of consciousness in all especially in those with the low wages get a better paying job or start Ur own business. Help others begin an enterprise. In a message dated 08/18/15 22:05:40 Eastern Daylight Time, no_re...@yahoogroups.com writes: you are the kind of idiot who think low wages are the answer to every problem. actually they are the cause of every problem. no money to buy means no growth economy, trying prop up that mess with with low interest monetary policy leading to bubbles by lot of free money for those who already have the most. your way is the most proven dead end there could be.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget
you are the kind of idiot who think low wages are the answer to every problem. actually they are the cause of every problem. no money to buy means no growth economy, trying prop up that mess with with low interest monetary policy leading to bubbles by lot of free money for those who already have the most. your way is the most proven dead end there could be.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget
who is the them U do not trust 1 I hope the federal Gov does not salvage in any manor private or union plans so poorly run. The Feds borrow 43 cents of each dollar they - we borrow from PPR China some tructal states,( UAR ones) who still trust us to have our great great grand children re pay this 18 or plus trillion in debt SOPT slow THE Borrowing or fed guarantees Congress.Our great grand children debts are best safe guarded when Congress in adjourned In a message dated 08/18/15 15:48:42 Eastern Daylight Time, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com writes: There is a good chance that mine may be cut next year. I have a teamster pension. So far, UPS has been responsible for paying it but next year the teamster take control.They are severely underfunded because they've taken the money UPS contributed for it's employees and paid pensions for retirees of other companies that didn't contribute as much leaving them underfunded. Now they say they will have to make *tuff* choices, cutting pensions from as much as $3,ooo a month or more to $700. They say they won't cut pensions of someone over 80 or of someone disabled. I was forced into retirement due to disability and currently on SS disability. However, I don't trust them. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Pensions were never meant to keep paying the salary you received when working. They were made to make your retirement more comfortable than just having Social Security. Same was true in selling the idea of 401Ks and we know how well that worked out. Unless you are a money hound and at least an amateur stockbroker these often don't work out well at all. I've read some posts on a board from folks getting these pensions and admitting that though they're nice to get weren't really all that necessary. On 08/18/2015 12:03 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not so sure the cities *offer* these unsustainable pensions as much as the unions demand them. Cities are stuck kicking the can down the road for some other mayor to fix. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget City problems are due to really incompetent people running them be they Republican or Democrat. They've done stupid things like offer unsustainable pension plans to attract new employees. I still think those were sold to them because Wall Street wanted to gamble with that money. We've allowed these people to run things because the public is generally apathetic and a lot of city elections are confusing and corrupt. On 08/17/2015 04:51 PM, William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Reagan was NOT a city mayor but was state federal HIS time lifted my boat still in part does 4 many thanks to the tax changes more !4 It LIFT not like bu the did enjoy boating I note, With respect a smile cities are stil in it many close to bankruptcy ! I as is the Fed affecting our great G.G.G Great grand children, the un born to my perhaps our regret Bring on the Ryan Budget soon! -Original Message- From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2015 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Reagan didn't life all boats either and neither did the Bushes so it's not just the Democrats fault. On 08/17/2015 06:49 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Misery loves company. From: William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: brandon.sun...@gmail.com; bobandjanet...@verizon.net; karenhmc...@aol.com; dorothea...@hotmail.com; latinus17_latinu...@hotmail.com; tom.hebe...@gmail.com; rfl...@brocku.ca; rf2...@yahoo.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; herman rodenberg hermanrodenb...@msn.com; dlf5...@gmail.com; slingshoote...@gmail.com; slsmith...@yahoo.com; fl...@comcast.net; l.donaldl...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: -Original Message- From: Lawrence Smith lawrencesmi...@frontier.com Sent: Sun, Aug 16, 2015 9:18 pm 10 Poorest Cities in America (How did it happen?) City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit , MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo , NY 29.9% 3. Cincinnati , OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland , OH 27.0% 5. Miami , FL 26.9% 5. St. Louis , MO 26.8% 7. El Paso , TX 26.4% 8. Milwaukee , WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia , PA 25.1% 10. Newark , NJ 24.2% What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common? Detroit, MI - (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected
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yes unions R seeking such have succeeded with mining unions also that of steel workers as well to our regret -Original Message- From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2015 8:25 pm Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget *Them* is the Teamsters and any other union for that matter. No, I don't expect a government bail-out although I'm sure the Teamsters are probably seeking that. There is adequate funding for our(UPS) pensions if they( the Teamsters) stop paying or cut the pensions of retirees from companies that did not contribute adequately to their employees pension fund. From: wleed3 wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget who is the them U do not trust 1 I hope the federal Gov does not salvage in any manor private or union plans so poorly run. The Feds borrow 43 cents of each dollar they - we borrow from PPR China some tructal states,( UAR ones) who still trust us to have our great great grand children re pay this 18 or plus trillion in debt SOPT slow THE Borrowing or fed guarantees Congress.Our great grand children debts are best safe guarded when Congress in adjourned In a message dated 08/18/15 15:48:42 Eastern Daylight Time, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com writes: There is a good chance that mine may be cut next year. I have a teamster pension. So far, UPS has been responsible for paying it but next year the teamster take control.They are severely underfunded because they've taken the money UPS contributed for it's employees and paid pensions for retirees of other companies that didn't contribute as much leaving them underfunded. Now they say they will have to make *tuff* choices, cutting pensions from as much as $3,ooo a month or more to $700. They say they won't cut pensions of someone over 80 or of someone disabled. I was forced into retirement due to disability and currently on SS disability. However, I don't trust them. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Pensions were never meant to keep paying the salary you received when working. They were made to make your retirement more comfortable than just having Social Security. Same was true in selling the idea of 401Ks and we know how well that worked out. Unless you are a money hound and at least an amateur stockbroker these often don't work out well at all. I've read some posts on a board from folks getting these pensions and admitting that though they're nice to get weren't really all that necessary. On 08/18/2015 12:03 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not so sure the cities *offer* these unsustainable pensions as much as the unions demand them. Cities are stuck kicking the can down the road for some other mayor to fix. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget
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History says otherwise. You would have more wage slavery. There are too many people running businesses that look down on laborers and want to work them to death. It happens all over the world and even in the US. And look at the tech companies who want more H1B Visas issued while there are thousands of unemployed STEM workers right here in the US who can do those jobs. On 08/18/2015 06:05 PM, William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: U would have seen a fair free market for labor -Original Message- From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2015 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget And what would you have received without union representation? On 08/18/2015 05:25 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *Them* is the Teamsters and any other union for that matter. No, I don't expect a government bail-out although I'm sure the Teamsters are probably seeking that. There is adequate funding for our(UPS) pensions if they( the Teamsters) stop paying or cut the pensions of retirees from companies that did not contribute adequately to their employees pension fund. *From:* wleed3 wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:09 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget who is the them U do not trust 1 I hope the federal Gov does not salvage in any manor private or union plans so poorly run. The Feds borrow 43 cents of each dollar they - we borrow from PPR China some tructal states,( UAR ones) who still trust us to have our great great grand children re pay this 18 or plus trillion in debt SOPT slow THE Borrowing or fed guarantees Congress.Our great grand children debts are best safe guarded when Congress in adjourned In a message dated 08/18/15 15:48:42 Eastern Daylight Time, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com writes: There is a good chance that mine may be cut next year. I have a teamster pension. So far, UPS has been responsible for paying it but next year the teamster take control.They are severely underfunded because they've taken the money UPS contributed for it's employees and paid pensions for retirees of other companies that didn't contribute as much leaving them underfunded. Now they say they will have to make *tuff* choices, cutting pensions from as much as $3,ooo a month or more to $700. They say they won't cut pensions of someone over 80 or of someone disabled. I was forced into retirement due to disability and currently on SS disability. However, I don't trust them. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:36 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Pensions were never meant to keep paying the salary you received when working. They were made to make your retirement more comfortable than just having Social Security. Same was true in selling the idea of 401Ks and we know how well that worked out. Unless you are a money hound and at least an amateur stockbroker these often don't work out well at all. I've read some posts on a board from folks getting these pensions and admitting that though they're nice to get weren't really all that necessary. On 08/18/2015 12:03 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not so sure the cities *offer* these unsustainable pensions as much as the unions demand them. Cities are stuck kicking the can down the road for some other mayor to fix. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget City problems are due to really incompetent people running them be they Republican or Democrat. They've done stupid things like offer unsustainable pension
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*Them* is the Teamsters and any other union for that matter. No, I don't expect a government bail-out although I'm sure the Teamsters are probably seeking that. There is adequate funding for our(UPS) pensions if they( the Teamsters) stop paying or cut the pensions of retirees from companies that did not contribute adequately to their employees pension fund. From: wleed3 wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget who is the them U do not trust 1 I hope the federal Gov does not salvage in any manor private or union plans so poorly run. The Feds borrow 43 cents of each dollar they - we borrow from PPR China some tructal states,( UAR ones) who still trust us to have our great great grand children re pay this 18 or plus trillion in debt SOPT slow THE Borrowing or fed guarantees Congress.Our great grand children debts are best safe guarded when Congress in adjournedIn a message dated 08/18/15 15:48:42 Eastern Daylight Time, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com writes: There is a good chance that mine may be cut next year. I have a teamster pension. So far, UPS has been responsible for paying it but next year the teamster take control.They are severely underfunded because they've taken the money UPS contributed for it's employees and paid pensions for retirees of other companies that didn't contribute as much leaving them underfunded. Now they say they will have to make *tuff* choices, cutting pensions from as much as $3,ooo a month or more to $700. They say they won't cut pensions of someone over 80 or of someone disabled. I was forced into retirement due to disability and currently on SS disability. However, I don't trust them. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Pensions were never meant to keep paying the salary you received when working. They were made to make your retirement more comfortable than just having Social Security. Same was true in selling the idea of 401Ks and we know how well that worked out. Unless you are a money hound and at least an amateur stockbroker these often don't work out well at all. I've read some posts on a board from folks getting these pensions and admitting that though they're nice to get weren't really all that necessary. On 08/18/2015 12:03 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not so sure the cities *offer* these unsustainable pensions as much as the unions demand them. Cities are stuck kicking the can down the road for some other mayor to fix. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget City problems are due to really incompetent people running them be they Republican or Democrat. They've done stupid things like offer unsustainable pension plans to attract new employees. I still think those were sold to them because Wall Street wanted to gamble with that money. We've allowed these people to run things because the public is generally apathetic and a lot of city elections are confusing and corrupt. On 08/17/2015 04:51 PM, William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Reagan was NOT a city mayor but was state federal HIS time lifted my boat still in part does 4 many thanks to the tax changes more !4 It LIFT not like bu the did enjoy boating I note, With respect a smile cities are stil in it many close to bankruptcy ! I as is the Fed affecting our great G.G.G Great grand children, the un born to my perhaps our regret Bring on the Ryan Budget soon! -Original Message- From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2015 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Reagan didn't life all boats either and neither did the Bushes so it's not just the Democrats fault. On 08/17/2015 06:49 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Misery loves company. From: William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: brandon.sun...@gmail.com; bobandjanet...@verizon.net; karenhmc...@aol.com; dorothea...@hotmail.com; latinus17_latinu...@hotmail.com; tom.hebe...@gmail.com; rfl...@brocku.ca; rf2...@yahoo.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; herman rodenberg hermanrodenb...@msn.com; dlf5...@gmail.com; slingshoote...@gmail.com; slsmith...@yahoo.com; fl...@comcast.net; l.donaldl...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd
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And what would you have received without union representation? On 08/18/2015 05:25 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *Them* is the Teamsters and any other union for that matter. No, I don't expect a government bail-out although I'm sure the Teamsters are probably seeking that. There is adequate funding for our(UPS) pensions if they( the Teamsters) stop paying or cut the pensions of retirees from companies that did not contribute adequately to their employees pension fund. *From:* wleed3 wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:09 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget who is the them U do not trust 1 I hope the federal Gov does not salvage in any manor private or union plans so poorly run. The Feds borrow 43 cents of each dollar they - we borrow from PPR China some tructal states,( UAR ones) who still trust us to have our great great grand children re pay this 18 or plus trillion in debt SOPT slow THE Borrowing or fed guarantees Congress.Our great grand children debts are best safe guarded when Congress in adjourned In a message dated 08/18/15 15:48:42 Eastern Daylight Time, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com writes: There is a good chance that mine may be cut next year. I have a teamster pension. So far, UPS has been responsible for paying it but next year the teamster take control.They are severely underfunded because they've taken the money UPS contributed for it's employees and paid pensions for retirees of other companies that didn't contribute as much leaving them underfunded. Now they say they will have to make *tuff* choices, cutting pensions from as much as $3,ooo a month or more to $700. They say they won't cut pensions of someone over 80 or of someone disabled. I was forced into retirement due to disability and currently on SS disability. However, I don't trust them. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:36 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Pensions were never meant to keep paying the salary you received when working. They were made to make your retirement more comfortable than just having Social Security. Same was true in selling the idea of 401Ks and we know how well that worked out. Unless you are a money hound and at least an amateur stockbroker these often don't work out well at all. I've read some posts on a board from folks getting these pensions and admitting that though they're nice to get weren't really all that necessary. On 08/18/2015 12:03 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not so sure the cities *offer* these unsustainable pensions as much as the unions demand them. Cities are stuck kicking the can down the road for some other mayor to fix. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget City problems are due to really incompetent people running them be they Republican or Democrat. They've done stupid things like offer unsustainable pension plans to attract new employees. I still think those were sold to them because Wall Street wanted to gamble with that money. We've allowed these people to run things because the public is generally apathetic and a lot of city elections are confusing and corrupt. On 08/17/2015 04:51 PM, William Leed wle...@aol.com mailto:wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Reagan was NOT a city mayor but was state federal HIS time lifted my boat still in part does 4 many thanks to the tax changes more !4 It LIFT not like bu the did enjoy boating I note, With respect a smile cities are stil in it many close to bankruptcy ! I as is the Fed affecting our great G.G.G Great grand children, the un born to my perhaps our regret Bring on the Ryan Budget soon! -Original Message- From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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Correct to all U state -Original Message- From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2015 8:32 pm Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Ur cavort emptor NOT us all as in hte Fed Gov. Bingo! years ago when UPS was negotiating a contract with the Teamsters, UPS wanted to take control of our pension plan. The teamsters would have nothing to do with it and made it a strike issue. Personally, I wanted UPS to control the pension because I've always thought of the Teamsters as a bunch of crooks and realized this would probably be an inevitability. UPS went on and contributed hundreds of billions to our pension plan. The next contract the same thing happened and warned it would be the last time they would bail them out. From: wleed3 wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Ur cavort emptor NOT us all as in hte Fed Gov. cavort emptor In a message dated 08/18/15 15:48:42 Eastern Daylight Time, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com writes: There is a good chance that mine may be cut next year. I have a teamster pension. So far, UPS has been responsible for paying it but next year the teamster take control.They are severely underfunded because they've taken the money UPS contributed for it's employees and paid pensions for retirees of other companies that didn't contribute as much leaving them underfunded. Now they say they will have to make *tuff* choices, cutting pensions from as much as $3,ooo a month or more to $700. They say they won't cut pensions of someone over 80 or of someone disabled. I was forced into retirement due to disability and currently on SS disability. However, I don't trust them. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Pensions were never meant to keep paying the salary you received when working. They were made to make your retirement more comfortable than just having Social Security. Same was true in selling the idea of 401Ks and we know how well that worked out. Unless you are a money hound and at least an amateur stockbroker these often don't work out well at all. I've read some posts on a board from folks getting these pensions and admitting that though they're nice to get weren't really all that necessary. On 08/18/2015 12:03 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not so sure the cities *offer* these unsustainable pensions as much as the unions demand them. Cities are stuck kicking the can down the road for some other mayor to fix. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget City problems are due to really incompetent people running them
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most slave holders even today do NOT work there property to death its far too valuable to work to death. What history exactly its author? Wage slavery its not such but supply demand the more valued workers R paid more in wages or its substitute when too costly machines are purchased to accomplish what labors did. The un employed do not apply 4 the skill set required so could work in our fields but we allow them by welfare to B unemployed when there are lots of jobs for pickers etc. Or they could start there own business in lots of areas thus employ others. We find when un employee run out many find employ we see. -Original Message- From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2015 9:15 pm Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget History says otherwise. You would have more wage slavery. There are too many people running businesses that look down on laborers and want to work them to death. It happens all over the world and even in the US. And look at the tech companies who want more H1B Visas issued while there are thousands of unemployed STEM workers right here in the US who can do those jobs. On 08/18/2015 06:05 PM, William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: U would have seen a fair free market for labor -Original Message- From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2015 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget And what would you have received without union representation? On 08/18/2015 05:25 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *Them* is the Teamsters and any other union for that matter. No, I don't expect a government bail-out although I'm sure the Teamsters are probably seeking that. There is adequate funding for our(UPS) pensions if they( the Teamsters) stop paying or cut the pensions of retirees from companies that did not contribute adequately to their employees pension fund. From: wleed3 wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget who is the them U do not trust 1 I hope the federal Gov does not salvage in any manor private or union plans so poorly run. The Feds borrow 43 cents of each dollar they - we borrow from PPR China some tructal states,( UAR ones) who still trust us to have our great great grand children re pay this 18 or plus trillion in debt SOPT slow THE Borrowing or fed guarantees Congress.Our great grand children debts are best safe guarded when Congress in adjourned In a message dated 08/18/15 15:48:42 Eastern Daylight Time, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com writes: There is a good chance that mine may be cut next year. I have a teamster pension. So far, UPS has been responsible for paying it but next year the teamster take control.They are severely underfunded because they've taken the money UPS contributed for it's employees and paid pensions for retirees of other companies that didn't contribute as much leaving them underfunded. Now they say they will have to make *tuff* choices, cutting pensions from as much as $3,ooo a month or more to $700. They say they won't cut pensions of someone over 80 or of someone disabled. I was forced into retirement due to disability and currently on SS disability. However, I don't trust them. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Ur cavort emptor NOT us all as in hte Fed Gov.
Bingo! years ago when UPS was negotiating a contract with the Teamsters, UPS wanted to take control of our pension plan. The teamsters would have nothing to do with it and made it a strike issue. Personally, I wanted UPS to control the pension because I've always thought of the Teamsters as a bunch of crooks and realized this would probably be an inevitability. UPS went on and contributed hundreds of billions to our pension plan. The next contract the same thing happened and warned it would be the last time they would bail them out. From: wleed3 wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Ur cavort emptor NOT us all as in hte Fed Gov. cavort emptorIn a message dated 08/18/15 15:48:42 Eastern Daylight Time, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com writes: There is a good chance that mine may be cut next year. I have a teamster pension. So far, UPS has been responsible for paying it but next year the teamster take control.They are severely underfunded because they've taken the money UPS contributed for it's employees and paid pensions for retirees of other companies that didn't contribute as much leaving them underfunded. Now they say they will have to make *tuff* choices, cutting pensions from as much as $3,ooo a month or more to $700. They say they won't cut pensions of someone over 80 or of someone disabled. I was forced into retirement due to disability and currently on SS disability. However, I don't trust them. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Pensions were never meant to keep paying the salary you received when working. They were made to make your retirement more comfortable than just having Social Security. Same was true in selling the idea of 401Ks and we know how well that worked out. Unless you are a money hound and at least an amateur stockbroker these often don't work out well at all. I've read some posts on a board from folks getting these pensions and admitting that though they're nice to get weren't really all that necessary. On 08/18/2015 12:03 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not so sure the cities *offer* these unsustainable pensions as much as the unions demand them. Cities are stuck kicking the can down the road for some other mayor to fix. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget City problems are due to really incompetent people running them be they Republican or Democrat. They've done stupid things like offer unsustainable pension plans to attract new employees. I still think those were sold to them because Wall Street wanted to gamble with that money. We've allowed these people to run things because the public is generally apathetic and a lot of city elections are confusing and corrupt. On 08/17/2015 04:51 PM, William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Reagan was NOT a city mayor but was state federal HIS time lifted my boat still in part does 4 many thanks to the tax changes more !4 It LIFT not like bu the did enjoy boating I note, With respect a smile cities are stil in it many close to bankruptcy ! I as is the Fed affecting our great G.G.G Great grand children, the un born to my perhaps our regret Bring on the Ryan Budget soon! -Original Message- From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2015 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Reagan didn't life all boats either and neither did the Bushes so it's not just the Democrats fault. On 08/17/2015 06:49 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Misery loves company. From: William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: brandon.sun...@gmail.com; bobandjanet...@verizon.net; karenhmc...@aol.com; dorothea...@hotmail.com; latinus17_latinu...@hotmail.com; tom.hebe...@gmail.com; rfl...@brocku.ca; rf2...@yahoo.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; herman rodenberg hermanrodenb...@msn.com; dlf5...@gmail.com; slingshoote...@gmail.com; slsmith...@yahoo.com; fl...@comcast.net; l.donaldl...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: -Original Message- From: Lawrence Smith lawrencesmi...@frontier.com Sent: Sun, Aug 16, 2015 9:18 pm 10 Poorest Cities in America (How did it happen?) City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit , MI 32.5
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Probably about the same that Fed-x gets, maybe a little better. Fed-x employees have similar pay and benefits to UPS and they aren't union. They are generally paid a little less than UPS employees but usually make up the difference in year end bonuses. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget And what would you have received without union representation? On 08/18/2015 05:25 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *Them* is the Teamsters and any other union for that matter. No, I don't expect a government bail-out although I'm sure the Teamsters are probably seeking that. There is adequate funding for our(UPS) pensions if they( the Teamsters) stop paying or cut the pensions of retirees from companies that did not contribute adequately to their employees pension fund. From: wleed3 wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget who is the them U do not trust 1 I hope the federal Gov does not salvage in any manor private or union plans so poorly run. The Feds borrow 43 cents of each dollar they - we borrow from PPR China some tructal states,( UAR ones) who still trust us to have our great great grand children re pay this 18 or plus trillion in debt SOPT slow THE Borrowing or fed guarantees Congress.Our great grand children debts are best safe guarded when Congress in adjourned In a message dated 08/18/15 15:48:42 Eastern Daylight Time, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com writes: There is a good chance that mine may be cut next year. I have a teamster pension. So far, UPS has been responsible for paying it but next year the teamster take control.They are severely underfunded because they've taken the money UPS contributed for it's employees and paid pensions for retirees of other companies that didn't contribute as much leaving them underfunded. Now they say they will have to make *tuff* choices, cutting pensions from as much as $3,ooo a month or more to $700. They say they won't cut pensions of someone over 80 or of someone disabled. I was forced into retirement due to disability and currently on SS disability. However, I don't trust them. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Pensions were never meant to keep paying the salary you received when working. They were made to make your retirement more comfortable than just having Social Security. Same was true in selling the idea of 401Ks and we know how well that worked out. Unless you are a money hound and at least an amateur stockbroker these often don't work out well at all. I've read some posts on a board from folks getting these pensions and admitting that though they're nice to get weren't really all that necessary. On 08/18/2015 12:03 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not so sure the cities *offer* these unsustainable pensions as much as the unions demand them. Cities are stuck kicking the can down the road for some other mayor to fix. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget City problems are due to really incompetent people running them be they Republican or Democrat. They've done stupid things like offer unsustainable pension plans to attract new employees. I still think those were sold to them because Wall Street wanted to gamble with that money. We've allowed these people to run things because the public is generally apathetic and a lot of city elections are confusing and corrupt. On 08/17/2015 04:51 PM, William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Reagan was NOT a city mayor but was state federal HIS time lifted my boat still in part does 4 many thanks to the tax changes more !4 It LIFT not like bu the did enjoy boating I note, With respect a smile cities are stil in it many close to bankruptcy ! I as is the Fed affecting our great G.G.G Great grand children, the un born to my perhaps our regret Bring on the Ryan Budget soon! -Original Message- From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2015 12:34 pm Subject: Re
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Federal employees R in fact mostly union mbrs including the postal workers NOT the military I note -Original Message- From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2015 8:39 pm Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Probably about the same that Fed-x gets, maybe a little better. Fed-x employees have similar pay and benefits to UPS and they aren't union. They are generally paid a little less than UPS employees but usually make up the difference in year end bonuses. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget And what would you have received without union representation? On 08/18/2015 05:25 PM, Mike Dixonmdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *Them* is the Teamsters and any other union for that matter. No, I don't expect a government bail-out although I'm sure the Teamsters are probably seeking that. There is adequate funding for our(UPS) pensions if they( the Teamsters) stop paying or cut the pensions of retirees from companies that did not contribute adequately to their employees pension fund. From: wleed3 wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget who is the them U do not trust 1 I hope the federal Gov does not salvage in any manor private or union plans so poorly run. The Feds borrow 43 cents of each dollar they - we borrow from PPR China some tructal states,( UAR ones) who still trust us to have our great great grand children re pay this 18 or plus trillion in debt SOPT slow THE Borrowing or fed guarantees Congress.Our great grand children debts are best safe guarded when Congress in adjourned In a message dated 08/18/15 15:48:42 Eastern Daylight Time, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com writes: There is a good chance that mine may be cut next year. I have a teamster pension. So far, UPS has been responsible for paying it but next year the teamster take control.They are severely underfunded because they've taken the money UPS contributed for it's employees and paid pensions for retirees of other companies that didn't contribute as much leaving them underfunded. Now they say they will have to make *tuff* choices, cutting pensions from as much as $3,ooo a month or more to $700. They say they won't cut pensions of someone over 80 or of someone disabled. I was forced into retirement due to disability and currently on SS disability. However, I don't trust them. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Pensions were never meant to keep paying the salary you received when
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U would have seen a fair free market for labor -Original Message- From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2015 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget And what would you have received without union representation? On 08/18/2015 05:25 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *Them* is the Teamsters and any other union for that matter. No, I don't expect a government bail-out although I'm sure the Teamsters are probably seeking that. There is adequate funding for our(UPS) pensions if they( the Teamsters) stop paying or cut the pensions of retirees from companies that did not contribute adequately to their employees pension fund. From: wleed3 wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget who is the them U do not trust 1 I hope the federal Gov does not salvage in any manor private or union plans so poorly run. The Feds borrow 43 cents of each dollar they - we borrow from PPR China some tructal states,( UAR ones) who still trust us to have our great great grand children re pay this 18 or plus trillion in debt SOPT slow THE Borrowing or fed guarantees Congress.Our great grand children debts are best safe guarded when Congress in adjourned In a message dated 08/18/15 15:48:42 Eastern Daylight Time, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com writes: There is a good chance that mine may be cut next year. I have a teamster pension. So far, UPS has been responsible for paying it but next year the teamster take control.They are severely underfunded because they've taken the money UPS contributed for it's employees and paid pensions for retirees of other companies that didn't contribute as much leaving them underfunded. Now they say they will have to make *tuff* choices, cutting pensions from as much as $3,ooo a month or more to $700. They say they won't cut pensions of someone over 80 or of someone disabled. I was forced into retirement due to disability and currently on SS disability. However, I don't trust them. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bring on a Ryan Budget Pensions were never meant to keep paying the salary you received when working. They were made to make your retirement more comfortable than just having Social Security. Same was true in selling the idea of 401Ks and we know how well that worked out. Unless you are a money hound and at least an amateur stockbroker these often don't work out well at all. I've read some posts on a board from folks getting these pensions and admitting that though they're nice to get weren't really all that necessary. On 08/18/2015 12:03 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not so sure the cities *offer* these unsustainable pensions as much as the unions demand them. Cities are stuck kicking the can down the road for some other mayor to fix. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife
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Reagan was NOT a city mayor but was state federal HIS time lifted my boat still in part does 4 many thanks to the tax changes more !4 It LIFT not like bu the did enjoy boating I note, With respect a smile cities are stil in it many close to bankruptcy ! I as is the Fed affecting our great G.G.G Great grand children, the un born to my perhaps our regret Bring on the Ryan Budget soon! -Original Message- From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2015 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Reagan didn't life all boats either and neither did the Bushes so it's not just the Democrats fault. On 08/17/2015 06:49 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Misery loves company. From: William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: brandon.sun...@gmail.com; bobandjanet...@verizon.net; karenhmc...@aol.com; dorothea...@hotmail.com; latinus17_latinu...@hotmail.com; tom.hebe...@gmail.com; rfl...@brocku.ca; rf2...@yahoo.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; herman rodenberg hermanrodenb...@msn.com; dlf5...@gmail.com; slingshoote...@gmail.com; slsmith...@yahoo.com; fl...@comcast.net; l.donaldl...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: -Original Message- From: Lawrence Smith lawrencesmi...@frontier.com Sent: Sun, Aug 16, 2015 9:18 pm 10 Poorest Cities in America (How did it happen?) City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit , MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo , NY 29.9% 3. Cincinnati , OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland , OH 27.0% 5. Miami , FL 26.9% 5. St. Louis , MO 26.8% 7. El Paso , TX 26.4% 8. Milwaukee , WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia , PA 25.1% 10. Newark , NJ 24.2% What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common? Detroit, MI - (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961 Buffalo, NY - (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954 Cincinnati, OH - (3rd) not since 1984 Cleveland, OH - (4th) not since 1989 Miami, FL- (5th) has never had a Republican mayor St. Louis, MO - (6th) not since 1949 El Paso, TX - (7th) has never had a Republican mayor Milwaukee, WI - (8th) not since 1908 Philadelphia, PA - (9th) not since 1952 Newark, NJ - (10th) not since 1907 Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.' It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats... Yet they are still POOR. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.
