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John, LOL..what a fucking retard you are if you think I'm against marriage. I'm not against anything, if I'm against something it's retards like you who have blind beliefs, as if beliefs are the truth, that beliefs are god. Who cares what happened to Osho, he is dead, all I have is John here in front of me who is a sexually repressed, has perverted fantasies on others sexual lives, thinks marriage is a license to abuse, rape women, and is attached to his dirty underwear. On Nov 12, 2011, at 11:29 AM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Ravi, You fail to understand the significance of the family unit in society from all cultures. History has shown that marriage and the family are the bases for continuing humanity, culture and society. The breakdown of the family unit greatly contributes to instability in society which can be seen in low educational achievements among young people, drug addictions, crimes of all sorts, and poverty. The leaders of communism tried to change the family unit into a communal endeavor. Spiritual leaders like Osho have attempted to do likewise. However, their experiments failed miserably. For this reason, the once mighty USSR disintegrated. And, Osho was banished from the USA and died as another false prophet in the history of the world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: You are still hung up on marriage aren't you John. That you place so much importance in an institution that was created to make women a possession like property shows your intelligence. Let me guess you probably don't believe in love much, you might be OK with husbands treating woman as property and raping, mistreating wives because they have a license from the government and priest do so, correct? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 6:49:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Use your common sense. Watch this clip and weep. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I If you are not yourself free how can you convincingly talk about freedom ? Nabs, Apparently Osho was able to convince many people of his enlightenment. But IMO many of the followers believed in Osho because they like the idea of having sex with many partners without getting married, and become enlightened to boot.
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I completely agree with the idea that kids lives go much better when both parents participate. I paid/bribed my ex to participate, but I felt it was important for the kids to have a relationship with their father, and it was the only way. Interestingly, I had a conversation last night with a guy who grew up in the Catholic tradition who told me that the reason the church made the decision that their priests had to be celibate had at the root of it little to do with serving God. They wanted to maintain control of the assets and not deal with inheritance by the wife - all about wealth and power. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: You are still hung up on marriage aren't you John. That you place so much importance in an institution that was created to make women a possession like property That's one way to look at it. Another way is that it was created as a means to get the man to provide for the children he fathered. Basically, marriage had advantages for both the man and the woman; it wasn't all one way. And obviously it was highly advantageous for the offspring. Now that we have effective contraception, and now that women can be providers as well, the importance of marriage for the welfare of children is breaking down. But still, some kind of formal, socially recognized commitment between parents does facilitate nurturing and raising children.
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So did I as her experience was interesting. Willy, you are on leave, but it actually seemed to prove the opposite of what you were saying, as it was presented as a link supposed proving up the following statement from your email. 'He's an impotent, dirty old man,' she [Deeksha] insisted, claiming she'd been one of many women he'd had sex with in Bombay [in the early 1970s]... From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? I have to say, I really enjoyed this interview. I mean, I guess you buy this ladies experiences, (which I do), or you chalk it up to random brain activity, like many here seem inclined to do to explain so called experiences of higher states of consiousness. I don't know if you posted this interview to discredit Osho, or just provide some info, but thanks for posting in any case. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Interview with Ma Yoga Vivek: http://www.satrakshita.be/interview_with_vivek.htm
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Denise - no need to worry, this is usual Willy-nilly stuff. I read this for the first time last year and it did have lot of personal significance for me. Very touching story. People like John might project their perverted fantasies on Osho but I believe that inspite of all the talks on sex, encouraging certain people to be sexually free he himself might have been celibate his entire life - that's the biggest irony. But he never placed any emphasis on it himself, in fact when asked if he could have sex - he said sure, my health is not so good but as soon as I get better !! From: Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 8:07:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? So did I as her experience was interesting. Willy, you are on leave, but it actually seemed to prove the opposite of what you were saying, as it was presented as a link supposed proving up the following statement from your email. 'He's an impotent, dirty old man,' she [Deeksha] insisted, claiming she'd been one of many women he'd had sex with in Bombay [in the early 1970s]... From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? I have to say, I really enjoyed this interview. I mean, I guess you buy this ladies experiences, (which I do), or you chalk it up to random brain activity, like many here seem inclined to do to explain so called experiences of higher states of consiousness. I don't know if you posted this interview to discredit Osho, or just provide some info, but thanks for posting in any case. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Interview with Ma Yoga Vivek: http://www.satrakshita.be/interview_with_vivek.htm
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You are still hung up on marriage aren't you John. That you place so much importance in an institution that was created to make women a possession like property shows your intelligence. Let me guess you probably don't believe in love much, you might be OK with husbands treating woman as property and raping, mistreating wives because they have a license from the government and priest do so, correct? From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 6:49:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Use your common sense. Watch this clip and weep. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I If you are not yourself free how can you convincingly talk about freedom ? Nabs, Apparently Osho was able to convince many people of his enlightenment. But IMO many of the followers believed in Osho because they like the idea of having sex with many partners without getting married, and become enlightened to boot.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFrpHyE5Rp8feature=related From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 4:48:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? I think this is what you were looking for. (your link didn't work, at least for me) (-: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXlnMveRt-Y --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oKPYe53h78feature=related From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:38:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? OK Yifuji you bring your Ramana and we will approach an average Joe, say Joe the plumber. We will show him Ramana, the sickly, clearly starving, lifeless, life abnegating guy that any beautiful girl will be obviously be disgusted at. Then we will have Ravi Yogi, the fun playful, enjoying life, totally at ease at a nightclub or temple, with a beautiful girl in tow. Let your Ramana do his magic and I will do mine. Let's see who Joe the plumber chooses, the pathetic Ramana or the playful Ravi. P.S - So when are you moving to India, to enjoy the poverty, the heat, the dust? I'm starting a citizen exchange program, all pacifist liberal commies to be exchanged for fun, American loving wannabe materialistic yogis and  yoginis. Absolutely free of cost for the lazy utopian liberals, smelly, never ever bathed bums quite welcome as well. On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: So what are those categories Yifuji? Let me know soon otherwise I will have to categorize 1 to 6 either as freaks or frauds. On Nov 8, 2011, at 9:42 PM, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:  sorry...this essay doesn't make much sense, in view of 1. Ramana Maharshi, 2. SBS, 3. Nityananda, Guru of Muktananda, 4. probably Jesus although nobody knows for sure. 5. St. Paul, 6. countless others. ... Your categories are not all-inclusive since you say neither impotent, nor sexually repressed. There are more categories than that. ... http://www.onelittleangel.com/wisdom/quotes/ramana_maharshi.asp#pic --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Don't bother John. I will explain it since I'm a yogi, who's neither impotent nor sexually repressed. A yogi is full of sexual energy, totally aware of it, consumed by it, internalizing the fantasies, the guilt, the shame. After all no impotent man has ever been enlightened. Are you impotent John? He, by the grace of the existence and his own intelligence doesn't  try to repress the energy and spend the rest of the life fantasizing on others, condemning every modern woman as a slut or condemning every famous person who talks about sex as morally depraved playboy. He is intent on healing, integrating and balancing his own tremendous sexual energy. His knows it to be absolute vital energy, the fuel for Mother Kundalini. Not perverted like the Judeo Christian fundamentalists, not perverted like the Gandhian Hindus, not perverted like the celibacy worshipping Buddhists turned closet abusers. On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Yeah I never heard of that, so news to me, as far as I know he had one girl friend - Vivek, that stayed with him. If he did I wouldn't agree with it all. Even tantra requires one partner, he said as much as well. Based upon your posts you seem to be pretty sexually repressed. Are you a conservative? Judeo-Christian conditioning perhaps? Or perhaps from a conservative culture outside of US - Indians are big hypocrites with sex, Hispanics, Blacks are very conservative as well. Why do you guys always have perverted fantasies about other people's sexual lives? On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:13 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he enjoyed having sex with women in his ashram without getting married to them. He said that his parents did not approve of his chosen path. Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the traditional life paths available in India. That is, you either get married or become a celebate monk in the Himalayas or an ashram. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: I have no clue what his path is. Can you please summarize? On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear
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On Nov 9, 2011, at 9:53 AM, richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com wrote: Johnjr_esq: You have to read in between the lines in what he's saying. Specifically, Osho discouraged his followers to marry. In doing so, many of his followers had multiple partners. As such, it would be likely that Osho participated in this practice as well. Yes, one would think so, but according to Hugh Milne, Osho's bodyguard for ten years, Rajneesh was pretty much with a single woman for over over ten years. Go figure. Well John will not accept, common sense and facts are boring compared to perverted fantasies on other peoples sexual lives. Yes Osho talked about sexual freedom and repression of sex, but a Guru's words should never be made into a belief. However the ego wants belief, loves words, excited with a new set of belief and some of the idiotic followers must have made Osho's talks in to a belief and a license to indulge in amoral behavior. John, you are clearly retarded and sexually repressed, you can't seem to use your discrimination and would rather read between lines for your perverted fantasies. Then Barry about MMY and groupies, another retard trying to project his repressed sexual desires into perverted fantasies. Osho had a single girl friend Vivek. I only learned recently on Facebook. For a long time I enjoyed Osho's discourses, never interested in his sexual life because I had my own sexual energy to take care of. Unlike John I was never impotent, thank God !!! It wouldn't have mattered if he had several, none of my business. John - I'm sure you are tormented with your repressed thoughts of having sex with multiple women every night..LOL.. John jr_esq: Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he enjoyed having sex with women in his ashram without getting married to them. From what I've read, Osho had sex with a single woman, Vivek, for over ten years. Apparently he was NOT into having sex with multiple partners. 'Bhagwan: The God That Failed' By Hugh Milne St Martin's Press, 1987 He said that his parents did not approve of his chosen path. Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the traditional life paths available in India. That is, you either get married or become a celebate monk in the Himalayas or an ashram.
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John, Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The enlightened man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is the sound of one hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its place---what else are computers for). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Of course not!! These clips showed beautiful works of art. Kirk Douglas' acting was excellent. Dr. Hook's song says it all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and can jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened can not think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure as the universe is expanding---does this mean the end: of this... http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg and this: http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related Â
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Yeah I don't think John got your point. Without love, sex, lust, women, beauty where's the art, where's the music? Just to clarify the Bhagwan in video doesn't say lust doesn't happen to the enlightened. He says that it does happen but that an enlightened wouldn't hold on it IOW project perverted fantasies on other's sexual lives. On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: John, Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The enlightened man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is the sound of one hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its place---what else are computers for). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Of course not!! These clips showed beautiful works of art. Kirk Douglas' acting was excellent. Dr. Hook's song says it all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and can jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened can not think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure as the universe is expanding---does this mean the end: of this... http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg and this: http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related Â
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I have studied Indian history and before the Islamic invasion, before repressed Victorian British, before Buddhism, before perverted fantasies resulting in admiration of self abnegating, lifeless, starving Gurus like Ramana and pseudo spiritual icons like Gandhi, arts, music was thriving in India. It was a liberal, sophisticated, sexually liberated culture. Women were respected, admired, worshipped and sought after. Music, arts, drama flourished. Very hard for people like John to get rid of thousands of years of perverted sexually repressed Roman Catholic conditioning. On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Yeah I don't think John got your point. Without love, sex, lust, women, beauty where's the art, where's the music? Just to clarify the Bhagwan in video doesn't say lust doesn't happen to the enlightened. He says that it does happen but that an enlightened wouldn't hold on it IOW project perverted fantasies on other's sexual lives. On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: John, Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The enlightened man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is the sound of one hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its place---what else are computers for). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Of course not!! These clips showed beautiful works of art. Kirk Douglas' acting was excellent. Dr. Hook's song says it all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and can jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened can not think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure as the universe is expanding---does this mean the end: of this... http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg and this: http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related Â
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGorjBVag0Ifeature=relmfu From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 10:43:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? I have studied Indian history and before the Islamic invasion, before repressed Victorian British, before Buddhism, before perverted fantasies resulting in admiration of self abnegating, lifeless, starving Gurus like Ramana and pseudo spiritual icons like Gandhi, arts, music was thriving in India. It was a liberal, sophisticated, sexually liberated culture. Women were respected, admired, worshipped and sought after. Music, arts, drama flourished. Very hard for people like John to get rid of thousands of years of perverted sexually repressed Roman Catholic conditioning. On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Yeah I don't think John got your point. Without love, sex, lust, women, beauty where's the art, where's the music? Just to clarify the Bhagwan in video doesn't say lust doesn't happen to the enlightened. He says that it does happen but that an enlightened wouldn't hold on it IOW project perverted fantasies on other's sexual lives. On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: John, Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The enlightened man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is the sound of one hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its place---what else are computers for). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Of course not!! These clips showed beautiful works of art. Kirk Douglas' acting was excellent. Dr. Hook's song says it all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and can jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened can not think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure as the universe is expanding---does this mean the end: of this... http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg and this: http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related Â
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN0OFO3qcNA From: maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 11:21:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Bob: This is a personal thing of course, but I judge this Wile E. Coyote gets the Road Runner video as perfect a joke as I have ever heard. It is a joke—not knowingly of course—conceived of inside a perfect sensitivity to how the universe is since you-know-what [having sent me a video of it, for Christ sake]. In short hand form it (what happens at the very end of the video) summarizes everything that I have tried to say at FFL. I mean, if I was to have to put it into a joke, I could not come up with anything better than this. You should know that there are others out there at FFL who, like me, appreciate the finessed irony and brilliance of your YouTube choices. And I'm glad I convinced you I was not lying about my heterosexuality. You obviously had your doubts after Barry threatened to reveal the truth about me via a confidential Curtis disclosure. I hope, though, that you and Barry have patched things up offline. That guy doesn't know it, but he needs your Big Sur love. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: John, Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The enlightened man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is the sound of one hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its place---what else are computers for). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Of course not!!  These clips showed beautiful works of art.  Kirk Douglas' acting was excellent.  Dr. Hook's song says it all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and can jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened can not think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure as the universe is expanding---does this mean the end: of this... http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg and this: http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related   Â Â
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Dear Robin, LOL..Love you Robin. I'm an equal opportunity racist remember? I'm not like the retards John and Yifu switching from one dirty underwear(belief) to another. I wear none, I don't care, I can wear any underwear to suit my fancy and it will fit me perfect, perfect than most. Remember for you I have no problem going to Church and bowing down to Jesus and Mary. I would challenge you go match my love for Jesus and Mary. And right outside the door I will curse them both if need be, 'cause I own them, they are mine. I will always want your love and appreciation. I want my beloved to notice me, appreciate me, I want her to be all mine, I'm so needy and narcissitic..LOL.. Love, Ravi On Nov 9, 2011, at 11:04 AM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: RESPONSE: You leave those poor Catholics out of it, Ravi Yogi! It's a different universe now. And anything goes. You are the living avatar of this. But at one time (before I was born: you should know better because you retroactively inhabited eternity once you became enlightened—you're the only one; and therefore should know that at one time God was in his world—but no more) there was such a thing as being bad—and paying for it. Lay off the Catholics, please, because you commit a kind of posthumous sin against the Holy Ghost. If you know what I mean. But Lord Shiva, he likes the Ravi guy, so don't think I *disapprove* of *anything* you say. You are let loose in creation to be who you are (we have already gone into all this—and I appreciated your response to my analysis of you). But me, I have to defend the reputation—and achievements—of the Trinitarian God, even though he appears to be deceased. I wish you would get stuck in an elevator with Barry. For maybe 15 hours. Getting everything on your iPhone. Just dropping in on you, Ravi, to tell you to not to blaspheme—even though, given your immortal nature it is your business to do just that (and we are those beneficiaries of this). Still, even though you are doing what comes naturally, Robin had to do what comes naturally to him: sticking up for Mary and her Church. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: I have studied Indian history and before the Islamic invasion, before repressed Victorian British, before Buddhism, before perverted fantasies resulting in admiration of self abnegating, lifeless, starving Gurus like Ramana and pseudo spiritual icons like Gandhi, arts, music was thriving in India. It was a liberal, sophisticated, sexually liberated culture. Women were respected, admired, worshipped and sought after. Music, arts, drama flourished. Very hard for people like John to get rid of thousands of years of perverted sexually repressed Roman Catholic conditioning. On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Yeah I don't think John got your point. Without love, sex, lust, women, beauty where's the art, where's the music? Just to clarify the Bhagwan in video doesn't say lust doesn't happen to the enlightened. He says that it does happen but that an enlightened wouldn't hold on it IOW project perverted fantasies on other's sexual lives. On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: John, Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The enlightened man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is the sound of one hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its place---what else are computers for). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Of course not!! These clips showed beautiful works of art. Kirk Douglas' acting was excellent. Dr. Hook's song says it all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and can jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened can not think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure as the universe is expanding---does this mean the end: of this... http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg and this: http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife
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John, Yes love conquers all, but doesn't vanquish lust. Love is a superset of angers, lust, etc. Once established in Love, lust takes its rightful place,follows love, anger now mysteriously follows Love. Love's the boss. I love Russel Peters BTW, watched his videos many times - he is hilarious. So be a man, do the right thing John.. Internalize your lust, heal it, integrate it, stop fantasizing on other's sexual lives. Assuming existence has not made you impotent, if so my apologies and better luck next time. On Nov 9, 2011, at 12:06 PM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: IMO, the message is that love conquers all, even lust itself. With love, having sex with your wife would be a divine gift. Ravi, quit kidding yourself. Be a man! (See Russel Peters video clips to get this message). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Yeah I don't think John got your point. Without love, sex, lust, women, beauty where's the art, where's the music? Just to clarify the Bhagwan in video doesn't say lust doesn't happen to the enlightened. He says that it does happen but that an enlightened wouldn't hold on it IOW project perverted fantasies on other's sexual lives. On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: John, Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The enlightened man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is the sound of one hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its place---what else are computers for). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Of course not!! These clips showed beautiful works of art. Kirk Douglas' acting was excellent. Dr. Hook's song says it all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and can jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened can not think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure as the universe is expanding---does this mean the end: of this... http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg and this: http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related Â
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Thanks for catching that Obba, appreciate it. John - this is serious why are you lusting after my wife? I keep telling you stop being fascinated with others sexual lives and wives. And I don't even a wife !! God, please put a stop to this madness !!! Now I only have 2 more posts left - I hate Rick and Alex. On Nov 9, 2011, at 12:11 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Why do you want to have sex with Ravi's wife? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: IMO, the message is that love conquers all, even lust itself. With love, having sex with your wife would be a divine gift. Ravi, quit kidding yourself. Be a man! (See Russel Peters video clips to get this message). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Yeah I don't think John got your point. Without love, sex, lust, women, beauty where's the art, where's the music? Just to clarify the Bhagwan in video doesn't say lust doesn't happen to the enlightened. He says that it does happen but that an enlightened wouldn't hold on it IOW project perverted fantasies on other's sexual lives. On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: John, Many thanks, I think I get it; since enlightened artists will continue to produce great art, the Bhagavan was speaking paradoxically: The enlightened man cannot do that (have lustful thoughts), as in: What is the sound of one hand clapping (Ravi mentioned this also has its place---what else are computers for). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5Ifeature=related From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:47:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Of course not!! These clips showed beautiful works of art. Kirk Douglas' acting was excellent. Dr. Hook's song says it all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Just curious; I have no doubt the Bhagavan knows of what he speaks, and can jump bones with as much gusto as the rest of us; if the enlightened can not think of lust, and we're all heading to enlightenment, as sure as the universe is expanding---does this mean the end: of this... http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/renoir/bath/seated-bather.jpg and this: http://www.travelogues.net/india/index_js.htm?page=photos_taj_mahal.htm and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpitgIp40GMfeature=related and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MsndyW33Qfeature=related From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:58:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related Â
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Willytex quotes Eleanor Roosevelt- Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people Stick to that you little dick.. On Nov 9, 2011, at 1:24 PM, richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com wrote: Ravi Yogi: Then Barry about MMY and groupies, another retard trying to project his repressed sexual desires into perverted fantasies. Osho had a single girl friend Vivek... Yes, apparently it's very difficult to participate in an orgy when you're stoned out on Valium, Quaaludes and nitrous oxide! 'He's an impotent, dirty old man,' she [Deeksha] insisted, claiming she'd been one of many women he'd had sex with in Bombay [in the early 1970s]... 'The Promise of Paradise' A Woman's Intimate Story of the Perils of Life with Rajneesh By Satya Bharti Franklin,1992, pp. 323-4 Among their number was a shy twenty-two-year-old English woman named Christine Wolff. Taking on the name Ma Yoga Vivek, she became Osho's constant companion... 'Breaking the Spell' My Life as a Rajneeshee and the Long Journey Back to Freedom By Jane Stork, 2009 Interview with Ma Yoga Vivek: http://www.satrakshita.be/interview_with_vivek.htm
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LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
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Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMOcFfauf9Qfeature=fvwrel From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:46:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
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Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
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Gosh.. Let me rephrase.. Loser gurus hiding their sexuality for the fear of losing, alienating their fame, popularity among their sexually obsessed followers. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ_wgNOEiv0feature=related From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:53:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIHny7QEf7ofeature=related From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 4:01:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Gosh.. Let me rephrase.. Loser gurus hiding their sexuality for the fear of losing, alienating their fame, popularity among their sexually obsessed followers. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik From: Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 4:25:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? I don't get youtube. Who in the hell is Sri Bhagavan...some Vaisnava dualist? http://www.popaganda.com/media/blogs/store/pop%20marilyn%20mickeysSM.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:58 PM, John wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related What a wonderful rationalization. Nice outfit. Westerners will eat this guy up because many enlightened beings are bald from radiating all that sattva and so they naturally want to dress in expensive silks. Please John, where do I send my money!
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Damn I can't load these videos on my iPhone, I will check 'em out later. On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:09 PM, Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIHny7QEf7ofeature=related From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 4:01:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Gosh.. Let me rephrase.. Loser gurus hiding their sexuality for the fear of losing, alienating their fame, popularity among their sexually obsessed followers. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@... wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8RtXTyfeNAfeature=related From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 5:05:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:58 PM, John wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related What a wonderful rationalization. Nice outfit. Westerners will eat this guy up because many enlightened beings are bald from radiating all that sattva and so they naturally want to dress in expensive silks. Please John, where do I send my money! Send it to the guy who posted the video.:)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvYadad-x5Yfeature=related From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 5:01:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
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I have no clue what his path is. Can you please summarize? On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
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I don't know.. I'm getting concerned for Bob, he has stopped using words altogether, dealing primarily in videos, pictures. Is this some kind of spiritual discipline he is following? Is the wife responsible for this? Many questions that are tormenting me. On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:22 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hahahahahahahahaha. I just wasted a post by using it to type: Hahahahahahahahahahahaha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ_wgNOEiv0feature=related From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:53:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:  Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement???  Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related  Â
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Yeah I never heard of that, so news to me, as far as I know he had one girl friend - Vivek, that stayed with him. If he did I wouldn't agree with it all. Even tantra requires one partner, he said as much as well. Based upon your posts you seem to be pretty sexually repressed. Are you a conservative? Judeo-Christian conditioning perhaps? Or perhaps from a conservative culture outside of US - Indians are big hypocrites with sex, Hispanics, Blacks are very conservative as well. Why do you guys always have perverted fantasies about other people's sexual lives? On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:13 PM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he enjoyed having sex with women in his ashram without getting married to them. He said that his parents did not approve of his chosen path. Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the traditional life paths available in India. That is, you either get married or become a celebate monk in the Himalayas or an ashram. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: I have no clue what his path is. Can you please summarize? On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote: It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
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raviy...@att.net snip Is the wife responsible for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-fkSYDtUY From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 5:54:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? I don't know.. I'm getting concerned for Bob, he has stopped using words altogether, dealing primarily in videos, pictures. Is this some kind of spiritual discipline he is following? Is the wife responsible for this? Many questions that are tormenting me. On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:22 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hahahahahahahahaha. I just wasted a post by using it to type: Hahahahahahahahahahahaha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ_wgNOEiv0feature=related From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:53:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:  Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement???  Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related  Â
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Don't bother John. I will explain it since I'm a yogi, who's neither impotent nor sexually repressed. A yogi is full of sexual energy, totally aware of it, consumed by it, internalizing the fantasies, the guilt, the shame. After all no impotent man has ever been enlightened. Are you impotent John? He, by the grace of the existence and his own intelligence doesn't try to repress the energy and spend the rest of the life fantasizing on others, condemning every modern woman as a slut or condemning every famous person who talks about sex as morally depraved playboy. He is intent on healing, integrating and balancing his own tremendous sexual energy. His knows it to be absolute vital energy, the fuel for Mother Kundalini. Not perverted like the Judeo Christian fundamentalists, not perverted like the Gandhian Hindus, not perverted like the celibacy worshipping Buddhists turned closet abusers. On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: Yeah I never heard of that, so news to me, as far as I know he had one girl friend - Vivek, that stayed with him. If he did I wouldn't agree with it all. Even tantra requires one partner, he said as much as well. Based upon your posts you seem to be pretty sexually repressed. Are you a conservative? Judeo-Christian conditioning perhaps? Or perhaps from a conservative culture outside of US - Indians are big hypocrites with sex, Hispanics, Blacks are very conservative as well. Why do you guys always have perverted fantasies about other people's sexual lives? On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:13 PM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he enjoyed having sex with women in his ashram without getting married to them. He said that his parents did not approve of his chosen path. Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the traditional life paths available in India. That is, you either get married or become a celebate monk in the Himalayas or an ashram. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: I have no clue what his path is. Can you please summarize? On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote: It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related
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LOL... On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: raviy...@att.net snip Is the wife responsible for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-fkSYDtUY From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 5:54:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? I don't know.. I'm getting concerned for Bob, he has stopped using words altogether, dealing primarily in videos, pictures. Is this some kind of spiritual discipline he is following? Is the wife responsible for this? Many questions that are tormenting me. On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:22 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hahahahahahahahaha. I just wasted a post by using it to type: Hahahahahahahahahahahaha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ_wgNOEiv0feature=related From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:53:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:  Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement???  Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no question of possession, no question of getting consumed by it, no shame, no guilt, ergo no pain or suffering. On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:58 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: Shri Bhagavan explains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnjTclRBnIfeature=related  Â
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So what are those categories Yifuji? Let me know soon otherwise I will have to categorize 1 to 6 either as freaks or frauds. On Nov 8, 2011, at 9:42 PM, Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: sorry...this essay doesn't make much sense, in view of 1. Ramana Maharshi, 2. SBS, 3. Nityananda, Guru of Muktananda, 4. probably Jesus although nobody knows for sure. 5. St. Paul, 6. countless others. ... Your categories are not all-inclusive since you say neither impotent, nor sexually repressed. There are more categories than that. ... http://www.onelittleangel.com/wisdom/quotes/ramana_maharshi.asp#pic --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Don't bother John. I will explain it since I'm a yogi, who's neither impotent nor sexually repressed. A yogi is full of sexual energy, totally aware of it, consumed by it, internalizing the fantasies, the guilt, the shame. After all no impotent man has ever been enlightened. Are you impotent John? He, by the grace of the existence and his own intelligence doesn't try to repress the energy and spend the rest of the life fantasizing on others, condemning every modern woman as a slut or condemning every famous person who talks about sex as morally depraved playboy. He is intent on healing, integrating and balancing his own tremendous sexual energy. His knows it to be absolute vital energy, the fuel for Mother Kundalini. Not perverted like the Judeo Christian fundamentalists, not perverted like the Gandhian Hindus, not perverted like the celibacy worshipping Buddhists turned closet abusers. On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Yeah I never heard of that, so news to me, as far as I know he had one girl friend - Vivek, that stayed with him. If he did I wouldn't agree with it all. Even tantra requires one partner, he said as much as well. Based upon your posts you seem to be pretty sexually repressed. Are you a conservative? Judeo-Christian conditioning perhaps? Or perhaps from a conservative culture outside of US - Indians are big hypocrites with sex, Hispanics, Blacks are very conservative as well. Why do you guys always have perverted fantasies about other people's sexual lives? On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:13 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote: Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he enjoyed having sex with women in his ashram without getting married to them. He said that his parents did not approve of his chosen path. Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the traditional life paths available in India. That is, you either get married or become a celebate monk in the Himalayas or an ashram. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: I have no clue what his path is. Can you please summarize? On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the government and/or the priests. So you seriously believe and think he said that enlightenment, which is free from bondage, free of cause and effect now needs approval is not so? On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:02 AM, John jr_esq@ wrote: IMO, he's saying there's nothing wrong with having sex with your wife. You can be enlightened even if you're married. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Beautiful, I was very curious. He didn't disappoint me at all :-) There is lust, no pain, no suffering. There is anger, there is no pain, no suffering. Lust or sex is purely a biological need, like hunger though obviously not so often :-). Like he says just animal like, there is no
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OK Yifuji you bring your Ramana and we will approach an average Joe, say Joe the plumber. We will show him Ramana, the sickly, clearly starving, lifeless, life abnegating guy that any beautiful girl will be obviously be disgusted at. Then we will have Ravi Yogi, the fun playful, enjoying life, totally at ease at a nightclub or temple, with a beautiful girl in tow. Let your Ramana do his magic and I will do mine. Let's see who Joe the plumber chooses, the pathetic Ramana or the playful Ravi. P.S - So when are you moving to India, to enjoy the poverty, the heat, the dust? I'm starting a citizen exchange program, all pacifist liberal commies to be exchanged for fun, American loving wannabe materialistic yogis and yoginis. Absolutely free of cost for the lazy utopian liberals, smelly, never ever bathed bums quite welcome as well. On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: So what are those categories Yifuji? Let me know soon otherwise I will have to categorize 1 to 6 either as freaks or frauds. On Nov 8, 2011, at 9:42 PM, Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: sorry...this essay doesn't make much sense, in view of 1. Ramana Maharshi, 2. SBS, 3. Nityananda, Guru of Muktananda, 4. probably Jesus although nobody knows for sure. 5. St. Paul, 6. countless others. ... Your categories are not all-inclusive since you say neither impotent, nor sexually repressed. There are more categories than that. ... http://www.onelittleangel.com/wisdom/quotes/ramana_maharshi.asp#pic --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Don't bother John. I will explain it since I'm a yogi, who's neither impotent nor sexually repressed. A yogi is full of sexual energy, totally aware of it, consumed by it, internalizing the fantasies, the guilt, the shame. After all no impotent man has ever been enlightened. Are you impotent John? He, by the grace of the existence and his own intelligence doesn't try to repress the energy and spend the rest of the life fantasizing on others, condemning every modern woman as a slut or condemning every famous person who talks about sex as morally depraved playboy. He is intent on healing, integrating and balancing his own tremendous sexual energy. His knows it to be absolute vital energy, the fuel for Mother Kundalini. Not perverted like the Judeo Christian fundamentalists, not perverted like the Gandhian Hindus, not perverted like the celibacy worshipping Buddhists turned closet abusers. On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Yeah I never heard of that, so news to me, as far as I know he had one girl friend - Vivek, that stayed with him. If he did I wouldn't agree with it all. Even tantra requires one partner, he said as much as well. Based upon your posts you seem to be pretty sexually repressed. Are you a conservative? Judeo-Christian conditioning perhaps? Or perhaps from a conservative culture outside of US - Indians are big hypocrites with sex, Hispanics, Blacks are very conservative as well. Why do you guys always have perverted fantasies about other people's sexual lives? On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:13 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote: Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he enjoyed having sex with women in his ashram without getting married to them. He said that his parents did not approve of his chosen path. Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the traditional life paths available in India. That is, you either get married or become a celebate monk in the Himalayas or an ashram. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: I have no clue what his path is. Can you please summarize? On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..John, so an enlightened person cannot like other mortals have sex without getting licensed from the
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oKPYe53h78feature=related From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:38:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can an Enlightened Person Have Lust? OK Yifuji you bring your Ramana and we will approach an average Joe, say Joe the plumber. We will show him Ramana, the sickly, clearly starving, lifeless, life abnegating guy that any beautiful girl will be obviously be disgusted at. Then we will have Ravi Yogi, the fun playful, enjoying life, totally at ease at a nightclub or temple, with a beautiful girl in tow. Let your Ramana do his magic and I will do mine. Let's see who Joe the plumber chooses, the pathetic Ramana or the playful Ravi. P.S - So when are you moving to India, to enjoy the poverty, the heat, the dust? I'm starting a citizen exchange program, all pacifist liberal commies to be exchanged for fun, American loving wannabe materialistic yogis and yoginis. Absolutely free of cost for the lazy utopian liberals, smelly, never ever bathed bums quite welcome as well. On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: So what are those categories Yifuji? Let me know soon otherwise I will have to categorize 1 to 6 either as freaks or frauds. On Nov 8, 2011, at 9:42 PM, Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: sorry...this essay doesn't make much sense, in view of 1. Ramana Maharshi, 2. SBS, 3. Nityananda, Guru of Muktananda, 4. probably Jesus although nobody knows for sure. 5. St. Paul, 6. countless others. ... Your categories are not all-inclusive since you say neither impotent, nor sexually repressed. There are more categories than that. ... http://www.onelittleangel.com/wisdom/quotes/ramana_maharshi.asp#pic --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Don't bother John. I will explain it since I'm a yogi, who's neither impotent nor sexually repressed. A yogi is full of sexual energy, totally aware of it, consumed by it, internalizing the fantasies, the guilt, the shame. After all no impotent man has ever been enlightened. Are you impotent John? He, by the grace of the existence and his own intelligence doesn't try to repress the energy and spend the rest of the life fantasizing on others, condemning every modern woman as a slut or condemning every famous person who talks about sex as morally depraved playboy. He is intent on healing, integrating and balancing his own tremendous sexual energy. His knows it to be absolute vital energy, the fuel for Mother Kundalini. Not perverted like the Judeo Christian fundamentalists, not perverted like the Gandhian Hindus, not perverted like the celibacy worshipping Buddhists turned closet abusers. On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Yeah I never heard of that, so news to me, as far as I know he had one girl friend - Vivek, that stayed with him. If he did I wouldn't agree with it all. Even tantra requires one partner, he said as much as well. Based upon your posts you seem to be pretty sexually repressed. Are you a conservative? Judeo-Christian conditioning perhaps? Or perhaps from a conservative culture outside of US - Indians are big hypocrites with sex, Hispanics, Blacks are very conservative as well. Why do you guys always have perverted fantasies about other people's sexual lives? On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:13 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote: Osho was into tantra to get enlightened. As such, he enjoyed having sex with women in his ashram without getting married to them. He said that his parents did not approve of his chosen path. Osho's parents preferred that he had chosen the traditional life paths available in India. That is, you either get married or become a celebate monk in the Himalayas or an ashram. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: I have no clue what his path is. Can you please summarize? On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:01 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: It sounds like you agree with Osho's path to enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Loser gurus have been ashamed of their sexuality for the fear of their followers, this mad yogi has no such qualms.. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Ha !! I don't know - John may be right, but I wasn't going to let him go unanswered because I want enlightenment and sex too. Trust me I would rather masturbate than make poor choices in beauty, style, morals and ethics than Maharishi. On Nov 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Excellent and brilliant from the Sun Yogi! HOw can anyone dispute that statement??? Nada
