Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/22/05 7:56 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you could mellow out the Winters and Summers, you could add one more old 'ru to the population! Now that FF has a fantastic beach at Waterworks Park, my wife and I are enjoying the summer heat here a great deal more than in previous years. And coming from Maine (which so far this year has been cold and wet), we are quite pleased that Spring is in full force here in March (as opposed to June in Maine if we were lucky :-) ) We have never seen a town that provided such a perfect balance of nourishment for spirit, soul, and body as FF now does. We've both lost weight just from walking our dog around the trails early in the AM and in late afternoon... and everyone is FRIENDLY. Wow! Let's do a dog walk together sometime. We've got two. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Rick Archer wrote: on 6/21/05 11:30 PM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome back, Rory! You were in ff? Thank you, gf! Yes; was and am. FF just keeps getting better and better. Now (somewhat to our surprise) we have become semi-permanent residents. And we're VERY glad to have you. Let that be an invitation to ya'll. The more cool people we throw into the mix here, the better it gets. Housing is affordable, traffic and crime and negligible, employment is erratic, but if you're self-employed, it's ideal. Mountains and oceans are a bit scarce, but maybe after the earth changes If you could mellow out the Winters and Summers, you could add one more old 'ru to the population! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, seems like some people in South florida have a problem with this type of activity. So Kali yuga of them, isn't it? --There are no hills in S Florida. That explains how Dr. Pete could pull off the elephant thang so easily... :-) Hills are a matter of perspective To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
But if one stands on a boulder then the elephant can lift it and one can push their dick in it and it can run up a hill. See, all things work out in the end. - Original Message - From: lurkernomore20002000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote:snipI was just playing Bob. To tell you to shut up is like trying to lift a boulder and stand on it at the same time. This could even be harder than pushing an elephant up a hill with your dick.lurk - Original Message - From: bbrigante To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're like a freaking 45 single. One track one track. We just don't mind. http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/checking/checking3.shtml To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Even now though you guys don't have a clue as to how to prevent such things from happening again in the Movement. - Original Message - From: t3rinity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 4:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]...wrote: Sorry from my side, too. I understand about the German-to- English thing. Okay. What I was reacting to was a general attitude taken so for granted (possibly not in you but in the people there in \ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/21/05 12:02 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My grandmother also suffered mental problems, in the American South, during the 30s. Her husband, ashamed that anyone associated with his family might be crazy, had her locked away in one of those snake-pit insane asylums for forty years, and told my mother and her brother that she had died. The idea again was to put the embarrassment out of sight, not to help the person in any way. Two stories regarding suicide and mental illness: My mother was in and out of mental hospitals throughout most of my teenage years and early 20's and tried to commit suicide three times - nearly succeeding. When I became a TM teacher, I began to ask Maharishi what I could do about the situation. He would always go inward when I asked this. I didn't get the impression he was avoiding the question. I got the impression we was checking it out and doing a sankalpa for me (making a resolve to help on a subtle level). Finally, in 1974 when I was on International Staff, my mother was in an out of the hospital phase and expressed the desire to join me in Switzerland. I asked Maharishi if she could and he readily agreed. I feel to this day that that was very kind and generous of him. I wasn't paying my way, and nor could she, nor did he expect her to be a very useful member of staff. He just was rewarding me for my service and in essence, volunteering to help my mother. Which he did. Her first comment after she met him was, He looks right into your soul! She stayed 9 months and underwent a huge transformation. Never went back to serious mental illness, although she got a bit kooky in her final years. She became a siddha and completed Phase I of TTC. 2nd story: During my stint on International Staff, a girl jumped naked off her balcony in her ATR hotel in Brünnen, during an argument with her boyfriend. She died instantly. I was sent down to do damage control - to talk to the staff, who were rather shaken up, but also with instructions to advise them to keep the situation quiet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Rick, I always liked your mom. Even as I write this I can see and hear her. She had an unusual voice! She always spoke so proudly of you and Carol. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My mother was in and out of mental hospitals throughout most of my teenage years and early 20's and tried to commit suicide three times - nearly succeeding. When I became a TM teacher, I began to ask Maharishi what I could do about the situation. He would always go inward when I asked this. I didn't get the impression he was avoiding the question. I got the impression we was checking it out and doing a sankalpa for me (making a resolve to help on a subtle level). Finally, in 1974 when I was on International Staff, my mother was in an out of the hospital phase and expressed the desire to join me in Switzerland. I asked Maharishi if she could and he readily agreed. I feel to this day that that was very kind and generous of him. I wasn't paying my way, and nor could she, nor did he expect her to be a very useful member of staff. He just was rewarding me for my service and in essence, volunteering to help my mother. Which he did. Her first comment after she met him was, He looks right into your soul! She stayed 9 months and underwent a huge transformation. Never went back to serious mental illness, although she got a bit kooky in her final years. She became a siddha and completed Phase I of TTC. 2nd story: During my stint on International Staff, a girl jumped naked off her balcony in her ATR hotel in Brünnen, during an argument with her boyfriend. She died instantly. I was sent down to do damage control - to talk to the staff, who were rather shaken up, but also with instructions to advise them to keep the situation quiet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. --- Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if one stands on a boulder then the elephant can lift it and one can push their dick in it and it can run up a hill. See, all things work out in the end. - Original Message - From: lurkernomore20002000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I was just playing Bob. To tell you to shut up is like trying to lift a boulder and stand on it at the same time. This could even be harder than pushing an elephant up a hill with your dick. lurk - Original Message - From: bbrigante To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're like a freaking 45 single. One track one track. We just don't mind. http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/checking/checking3.shtml To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' --- - Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? Well, seems like some people in South florida have a problem with this type of activity. So Kali yuga of them, isn't it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? There are laws against certain activities with animals... So I have discovered much to my chagrin. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Welcome back, Rory! You were in ff? --- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? It will be sent to a penile institution for rehabilitation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Well, seems like some people in South florida have aproblem with this type of activity. So Kali yuga ofthem, isn't it?--There are no hills in S Florida. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/21/05 11:30 PM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome back, Rory! You were in ff? Thank you, gf! Yes; was and am. FF just keeps getting better and better. Now (somewhat to our surprise) we have become semi-permanent residents. And we're VERY glad to have you. Let that be an invitation to ya'll. The more cool people we throw into the mix here, the better it gets. Housing is affordable, traffic and crime and negligible, employment is erratic, but if you're self-employed, it's ideal. Mountains and oceans are a bit scarce, but maybe after the earth changes To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/19/05 11:58 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Japa on Om. Just OM by itself? - Original Message - From: Rick Archer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/19/05 10:18 PM, shukra69 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what exactly is aumkara ka japa? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/20/05 12:11 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/19/05 11:58 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is all Vedic caste based shit, and is not the Dharma of Liberation which is free from such meager and worldly fears. Amma said something like this too. That this OM prohibition was something Brahmins used to lord it over lower castes. Except that apparently for Gurudev, 'twas a householder/female thing,not a brahmin thing... Except that he was a Brahmin. So maybe he had some cultural bias. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
On Jun 20, 2005, at 11:33 AM, Rick Archer wrote: So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I know an entire group of people who use Aumkara extensively and none of them are renunciatesalthough we received the technique from a renunciate.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. Presently I have pretty much squelched my huge collection of practices just down to one or two basics. Mainly I do the mantra accumulation on the Vajra Guru mantra - Om ah hum vajra guru peme sidhi hung. Since I have focused down onto doing numbers of this one mantra every single thing in my life has become better. Om itself is or isn't important depending upon where it is in your practice and what it's purpose. I hope this helps. I hardly see why people are afraid of such a holy word, when they constantly use unholy words at every turn without fear. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Llundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snip If you have a guru mantra then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the secret mantras are often much shorter. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
I have never had a guru. - Original Message - From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques Llundrub wrote:Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniqueson 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are:Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snipIf you have a "guru mantra" then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the "secret" mantras are often much shorter. :)To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Inge, there are no householder mantras and no recluse mantras. These are TMO ideas. There are Shaiva mantras and Shakta mantras. - Original Message - From: Ingegerd To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques I find it real peculiar that with the Householders Mantras, people try to live in celebacy and be a recluse. It does not make sense to me. If you meditate with a Householders Mantra, then you should be very active in society, otherwise it will cause stress. In the earlier days young people were practising Transcendental Meditation for hours, dreaming of some life as a recluse in Himalayas. I knew some of them - and some got very heavy mental problems and some did suicide. We were not told the difference between Householders Mantras and Mantras given for recluse life. The fact is that we were not told anything at all. In 1962, I got the Mantra one day, and the teacher checked the mantra the day after and then left. The next time I saw her, was 20 years after. But most of us continued to meditate. That was the days where we were allowed to practice long meditations - .I once meditated in 12 hours - and came out quite dizzy, it was rather dangerous. So in the beginning of the Movement it seems that MMY and we were learning by doing. "The strongest survived."Ingegerd--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yes, just OM!So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snip If you have a "guru mantra" then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the "secret" mantras are often much shorter. :)To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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on 6/20/05 12:35 PM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it real peculiar that with the Householders Mantras, people try to live in celebacy and be a recluse. It does not make sense to me. If you meditate with a Householders Mantra, then you should be very active in society, otherwise it will cause stress. In the earlier days young people were practising Transcendental Meditation for hours, dreaming of some life as a recluse in Himalayas. I knew some of them - and some got very heavy mental problems and some did suicide. Did you know Sten from Sweden? He was a good friend of mine. Immolated himself in the basement of M's hotel in Vlodrop. Interesting to note that the vast majority of Purusha guys never got recluse mantras, AFAIK. They're still using the same old mantras and advanced techniques everyone else got. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Interesting. In the tradition I'm with now one can actually practice the mantra while in activity. I was even told to try it while driving on the way home and though a little dubious did and found that my awareness was increased (but don't try this with the TM mantra). On my TTC many decided to go home and start businesses so they could become financially independent and spend more time around Maharishi. What they did was go home and start business, became yuppies and forgot all about TM. :) Hence I often credit Maharishi with inventing yuppies. :0 - Bhairitu Ingegerd wrote: I find it real peculiar that with the Householders Mantras, people try to live in celebacy and be a recluse. It does not make sense to me. If you meditate with a Householders Mantra, then you should be very active in society, otherwise it will cause stress. In the earlier days young people were practising Transcendental Meditation for hours, dreaming of some life as a recluse in Himalayas. I knew some of them - and some got very heavy mental problems and some did suicide. We were not told the difference between Householders Mantras and Mantras given for recluse life. The fact is that we were not told anything at all. In 1962, I got the Mantra one day, and the teacher checked the mantra the day after and then left. The next time I saw her, was 20 years after. But most of us continued to meditate. That was the days where we were allowed to practice long meditations - .I once meditated in 12 hours - and came out quite dizzy, it was rather dangerous. So in the beginning of the Movement it seems that MMY and we were learning by doing. The strongest survived. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snip If you have a guru mantra then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the secret mantras are often much shorter. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Exactly and that is why you are using long mantras. ;-) The guru mantra is a mantra that has been passed down in a tradition. It is the key mantra (also referred to as a beej mantra though in a different sense than beej aksharas) that is used to enliven other mantras. They are very powerful and given only to disciples. The initiation of becoming a disciple (shishya) is the passage of the guru mantra. And in my tradition we will make anyone a disciple who is sincere and genuine in their desire. Many published mantras are tribal mantras and included in books because they are public and the author, if a disciple, can't reveal the mantras his guru gave him. Llundrub wrote: I have never had a guru. - Original Message - From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques Llundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snip If you have a guru mantra then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the secret mantras are often much shorter. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Kali Sadhaka Garanth. It is a tantric tradition. My guru's guru learned from the son of the Perfume Saint mentioned in Autobiography of a Yogi. http://www.realtantrasolutions.com - Bhairitu Ingegerd wrote: In what tradition do you belong? Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly and that is why you are using long mantras. ;-) The guru mantra is a mantra that has been passed down in a tradition. It is the key mantra (also referred to as a beej mantra though in a different sense than beej aksharas) that is used to enliven other mantras. They are very powerful and given only to disciples. The initiation of becoming a disciple (shishya) is the passage of the guru mantra. And in my tradition we will make anyone a disciple who is sincere and genuine in their desire. Many published mantras are tribal mantras and included in books because they are public and the author, if a disciple, can't reveal the mantras his guru gave him. Llundrub wrote: I have never had a guru. - Original Message - From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques Llundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snip If you have a guru mantra then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the secret mantras are often much shorter. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Not having a guru doesn't mean I haven't met gurus. Besides I'm a Buddhist. I know all abou tthe kilakam, and I have a penchant for understanding mantras without needing to rely upon anyone for the inside scoop. For instance, I got the kilakam for the 19 syllable Shri Vidya mantra from the air as it were. Trust me Bub, I have heard it all. But you're right as well, I do not use the guru mantra, except for the Vajra Guru mantra, and I do use the longest mantra in the universe. It's called the secret mantra. Have you heardit? - Original Message - From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques Exactly and that is why you are using long mantras. ;-)The guru mantra is a mantra that has been passed down in a tradition. It is the key mantra (also referred to as a "beej mantra" though in a different sense than beej aksharas) that is used to enliven other mantras. They are very powerful and given only to disciples. The initiation of becoming a disciple (shishya) is the passage of the guru mantra. And in my tradition we will make anyone a disciple who is sincere and genuine in their desire.Many published mantras are "tribal mantras" and included in books because they are public and the author, if a disciple, can't reveal the mantras his guru gave him.Llundrub wrote:I have never had a guru.- Original Message - From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:42 AMSubject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniquesLlundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniqueson 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are:Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snipIf you have a "guru mantra" then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the "secret" mantras are often much shorter. :) To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Thanks for the feedback. He and I were always buddies on courses, took walks together and stuff. So I was sad to hear the news. I hear that every year in Rishikesh lots of people are carted away to mental hospitals who go crazy doing sadhana. on 6/20/05 3:49 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/20/05 2:26 PM, marekreavis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question re immolated himself(!): literally? Yes. Do you know the reason why? He got very out of balance. I don't know much more than that. I was there when it happened. Obviously he got some mental problems and because of that, the Purusha board wanted to sent him away. People with mental problems are usually put away from the higher storeys, because the administration was afraid people would jump out of the window. So they put him into a room at the basement. There was this huge pile of foam matresses stored in the room where he was, which he put to flame. It was a shock to everybody, because Sten was a really nice guy. I even worked with him together, he was working in production, paste up, and I was supervising there. I had not he slightest idea that he had some problem. What really triggered the suicide was the fact that he was very much ad odds with his family, and despararetly didn't want to go home. We all attended his funeral and Peter Warburthon gave a flaming speech. Officially it was only an accident, but word of the real reason got around quickly. Do you know what the consequences were? And how Global Good News dealt with self-immolation Maharishi's basement? I guess with over 200 people meditating many hours every day for many years, things can happen. I heard that many yogis and Sadhus in the Himalaya have mental problems too. Vivekananda said that out of 100 people trying to realize God 90 will give up easily, 9 will go crazy and only one will succeed. For me Stens death was sad, but I don't look down on him in any way. He has done a lot of good in this incarnation, and maybe he just avoided wasting a lot of time in the rest of it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 Fax: 815-572-5842 http://searchsummit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Shut Up Just Shut Up! Shut the fuck up. Just shut up for God's Sake. Shut Up! - Original Message - From: bbrigante To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Yes, just OM!So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday.**Well, that's exactly what Guru Dev said, according to the info in Paul Mason's book:"Mantras [sometimes] contain a mixture [of sounds including] aum that are given for auspicious purposes. Another thing is this that women are prohibited from practising japa with a aumkara-yukta mantra (a mantra conjoined with aum). Wherever at the beginning there is the purushha [male] mantra 'aum' then instead women should apply the sound 'shree' . " http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm#lifestoryBut there must have been some problem even with males doing mantras containing OM (which were in some of the Age of Enlightenment techniques), since the A of E techniques were only taught for a short time, and presumably only to males. For both males and females, advanced TM techniques use "shri," not OM. http://minet.org/mantras.htmllengthier quote from Mason's book:Repetition of the aum mantra -Many people have not done the work of consulting the Shastras in order to determine what is authorised and what is not, they look here and there and from this they understand what they should do to engage in worship. Some people set great measure by the magnificence of the japa of aum. In Bhagavad Gita, Bhagavan certainly said that I am the pranava. But if the purpose is to attain Bhagavan's special form, then why not use the method of grasping the lion as well, since he is also that too? Bhagavan Shri Krishna Chandra said that:- "mR^igaanaaM mR^igendro.ahaM" [Gita ch10 v30] (Amongst beasts I am the lion). What actually happens to those who proclaim the greatness of using only aumkara ka japa, our experience up until recently we are informing, listen; 2, 4, 10, 20 times constantly repeating aum then no particular effect there will be. But if 2, 4 thousand unceasing repetitions then in a short time [the connection with] the worldly surrounding will become weak. Arsenic is a destroyer, but taking a little then the effects will not be very rapid. If some excessive dose is taken then it actually kills. Those who use the method alone of aumkara ka japa taking it to be the special form find that their worldly discipline certainly weakens; working and regular meals go into decline; wife and son etc become unhealthy and also die. Five, six years ago, we had gone to Lucknow for the occasion of Laksha Chandi Yagya. On that occasion one old woman came to us and 2, 4 people came along also. These people did say that Mataji was a great devotee, all day long she would remain in prayer and worship, but only very recently her two sons who were in the prime of life had died. To this we asked; "Were you practicing aumkara ka japa?" She answered to Maharaj! The very same is our portion, all day long I did do japa. We said that; well done that for your samsara (worldly life) you have dropped (aum) japa, at this moment do not renounce [the world]. However, by adherence to the practise something very excellent she will destroy, right here is the effect of aumkara ke japa. This then is done somewhere without love and if love's work is being done then the meaning and the object of love will be be annihilated by the influence of aumkara ka japa. For this [reason] grihasthom (householders) are not authorised to do aumkara ke japa alone. Shastra with a view to grant good fortune do not give authority. If there was any benefit to be derived by grihasthom by using aumkara japa there would be no reason for the shastra to prohibit. Mantras [sometimes] contain a mixture [of sounds including] aum that are given for auspicious purposes. Another thing is this that women are prohibited from practising japa with a aumkara-yukta mantra (a mantra conjoined with aum). Wherever at the beginning there is the purushha [male] mantra 'aum' then instead women should apply the sound 'shree' . Bhagavan Shankar [Lord Shiva] giving instruction to Parvati on japa explained that for women aumkara-sahita mantra ka japa [aum connected mantra] can be like poison and for happiness they should only do japa without aumkara. Due consideration should be given that Shankarji gave this information to his own wife. If aumkara is beneficial for a woman to do, why would he instruct his own wife against the practise? ['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 73 of 108 ] To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL
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You're like a freaking 45 single. One track one track. - Original Message - From: bbrigante To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Shut Up Just Shut Up! Shut the fuck up. Just shut up for God's Sake. Shut Up! http://www.stanthecaddy.com/the-serenity-now.htmlTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Just pointing it out so that you at least are aware of your limitations. Honestly though, I always had a spot of envy for the true believer. And also it's easy to deal with true believers because they will never let you down. I was just playing Bob. To tell you to shut up is like trying to lift a boulder and stand on it at the same time. - Original Message - From: bbrigante To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: You're like a freaking 45 single. One track one track.We just don't mind.http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/checking/checking3.shtmlTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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As far as ladies not using OM as a mantra, I have read a lot of Vedic literature and I don't recall any (human) ladies following the recluse path (although there were certainly some fascinating stories of ladies leading their husbands to enlightenment like Queen Cuddala does for Sikhidvaja in the Yoga Vasistha), so because the householder path is the way to go for ladies, this would lead to barring the possibility of use of OM mantra for ladies. http://www.adolphus.nl/sadhus/sadhvi.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/18/05 11:35 PM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what Maharishi has said about the AUM sound; I remember him saying that since it is an eternal sound and yet can only be chanted intermittently by a human being, that somehow (along with the vibe of the sound itself) produces an influence that inclines anyone who chants it toward recluse life. My understanding is it is associated with the Goddess Kali. I can see why, Maharishi would say that married women, should not relate to closely: to the insatiable Kali. And the sound of Aum, Is that Universal sound or vibration of Creation. And everything dissolves into it... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/19/05 2:08 AM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what Maharishi has said about the AUM sound; OM is the first sound of creation, it contains all the energy in an undifferentiated form that is later structured by the hymns of the Vedas. So if you are living in a cave, using OM as a mantra, which aligns one with the undifferentiated, is OK, since a cave dweller does not need to function in society. But OM (used a mantra for meditation, not just the occasional use in saying a prayer or whatever) is a problem for a householder who needs to function in many differentiated ways, that's why there are householder mantras (derived from the Rig Veda). As far as ladies not using OM as a mantra, I have read a lot of Vedic literature and I don't recall any (human) ladies following the recluse path Ammachi, Shree Maa, Karunamayi, Mirabai, Mother Meera, etc. etc. Maharishi on sanyasi mantra (OM): http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/beacon/beacon2.shtml Sounds reasonable but I know a lot of people who have been meditating with OM for years and are wealthy, successful, and happy. So I guess a controlled study is in order. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Llundrub wrote: Plus advanced Sorry, I'm probably confusing some here. In general, mantra shastra divides mantras between shakti and shiva mantras. Shakti mantras are considered more intense than shiva mantras and therefore usually not given to the general public. This is held in a lot of traditions. Both enliven the shakti but the shiva mantras seem to be safer for the process. --What do you think about MMY's contention that Om is deadly to females and householders? And if you don't mind, could you give a few Shiva mantras besides Om, for us more dense people. You mean masculine as opposed to feminine mantras right? So for instance Gum, Glaum, Om, and such? The principal Shiva mantra is Om Namah Shivaya. Also Om Shivaya Namaha. Then there's the much longer Mritunjaya Mantra which is good for promoting health. There, as usual, are lots of Shiva mantas. The definition is more like shakti is the active and shiva is the passive. You can refer to symbology and information with this picture: http://realtantrasolutions.com/aboutkali.htm - Bhairitu To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Rick Archer wrote: on 6/19/05 2:08 AM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what Maharishi has said about the AUM sound; OM is the first sound of creation, it contains all the energy in an undifferentiated form that is later structured by the hymns of the Vedas. So if you are living in a cave, using OM as a mantra, which aligns one with the undifferentiated, is OK, since a cave dweller does not need to function in society. But OM (used a mantra for meditation, not just the occasional use in saying a prayer or whatever) is a problem for a householder who needs to function in many differentiated ways, that's why there are householder mantras (derived from the Rig Veda). As far as ladies not using OM as a mantra, I have read a lot of Vedic literature and I don't recall any (human) ladies following the recluse path Ammachi, Shree Maa, Karunamayi, Mirabai, Mother Meera, etc. etc. Maharishi on sanyasi mantra (OM): http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/beacon/beacon2.shtml Sounds reasonable but I know a lot of people who have been meditating with OM for years and are wealthy, successful, and happy. So I guess a controlled study is in order. I don't do know of any other tradition which believes this Om thing outside of TM. Do you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
On Jun 19, 2005, at 3:07 PM, sparaig wrote: However, didn't Paul Mason post some quotes by Gurudev indicating that he believed much the same thing? This would explain where MMY got the idea... Yes he did get it fr. SBS, but M. is generalizing something originally intended for one woman for everyone... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I don't do know of any other tradition which believes this Om thing outside of TM. Do you?No, it's patent bullshit and pure TM shell game. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/19/05 10:56 AM, Bhairitu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't do know of any other tradition which believes this Om thing outside of TM. Do you? No. And I asked Ammachi about it in a public lecture and she commented rather forcefully about it for about 15 minutes (in favor of OM). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/19/05 2:07 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I don't do know of any other tradition which believes this Om thing outside of TM. Do you? I believe that that is one of the things he claims is unique about TM. However, didn't Paul Mason post some quotes by Gurudev indicating that he believed much the same thing? This would explain where MMY got the idea... Yes. Guru Dev has been quoted as having said this. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
On Jun 19, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 3:07 PM, sparaig wrote: However, didn't Paul Mason post some quotes by Gurudev indicating that he believed much the same thing? This would explain where MMY got the idea... Yes he did get it fr. SBS, but M. is generalizing something originally intended for one woman for everyone... An interesting take. Swami Brahmananda cites Lord Shiva as having given this teaching to Parvati too. Has anyone come across such a reference? One thing I should point out is that this is NOT an absolute in the TMO. Those of us who received the full A of E technique also received the mantras of the 7 dimensions and they ALL begin with AUM... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 3:07 PM, sparaig wrote: However, didn't Paul Mason post some quotes by Gurudev indicating that he believed much the same thing? This would explain where MMY got the idea... Yes he did get it fr. SBS, but M. is generalizing something originally intended for one woman for everyone... An interesting take. Swami Brahmananda cites Lord Shiva as having given this teaching to Parvati too. Has anyone come across such a reference? One thing I should point out is that this is NOT an absolute in the TMO. Those of us who received the full A of E technique also received the mantras of the 7 dimensions and they ALL begin with AUM... There was no AUM in my A of E technique. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
As in the Gayatri? - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques On Jun 19, 2005, at 7:37 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: There was no AUM in my A of E technique.The full technique has the mantras of the 7 lokas, each beginning with AUM.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Well, in part, as in the the mantras of the triloka... + 4...the vyahrtis. On Jun 19, 2005, at 8:08 PM, Llundrub wrote: As in the Gayatri? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 7:37 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: There was no AUM in my A of E technique. The full technique has the mantras of the 7 lokas, each beginning with AUM. On which course did you receive this? Waiting for Vaj's response... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
I thought there were three vyahrtis. You're not allowed to blow me out of the water. Please be kind to me and don't make me look like an idiot. ;) - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques Well, in part, as in the the mantras of the triloka... + 4...the vyahrtis.On Jun 19, 2005, at 8:08 PM, Llundrub wrote: As in the Gayatri?To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Well there are--but there are four above it. On Jun 19, 2005, at 8:22 PM, Llundrub wrote: I thought there were three vyahrtis. You're not allowed to blow me out of the water. Please be kind to me and don't make me look like an idiot. ;) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Well, no. As I reported here many months ago, someone had told me the story behind the Om. The basic moral of the story was that this applied to this one person in one particular case. On Jun 19, 2005, at 8:39 PM, sparaig wrote: Or perhaps you're assuming that what Gurudev said applied ONLY to that one woman... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/19/05 6:13 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ammachi, Shree Maa, Karunamayi, Mirabai, Mother Meera, etc. etc. I will presume that none of these ladies are recluses since you are mentioning Ammachi first, and she is clearly not a recluse. Anyway, what happens today in India or since the beginning of the Kaliyuga is not relevant since this is not Vedic India. The Vedic literature does not indicate that ladies became recluses, except that sometimes a wife would accompany her husband when they abandoned householder life and went to live in the forest after their kids were grown up. All of them are/were involved in teaching, and in most cases, traveling to teach, (add Ananda Moyi Mi to the list), but none are/were householders. So I guess that makes them recluses. Would you say Maharishi is a recluse, or do you distinguish between recluse and monk? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/19/05 6:37 PM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I should point out is that this is NOT an absolute in the TMO. Those of us who received the full A of E technique also received the mantras of the 7 dimensions and they ALL begin with AUM... There was no AUM in my A of E technique. There was in mine, just as Vaj described it. You obviously got the baby technique. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Right like bhu bhuvaha maha janaha tapaha swaha satyam? - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques Well there are--but there are four "above" it.On Jun 19, 2005, at 8:22 PM, Llundrub wrote: I thought there were three vyahrtis. You're not allowed to blow me out of the water. Please be kind to me and don't make me look like an idiot. ;)To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/19/05 7:00 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2005, at 7:37 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: There was no AUM in my A of E technique. The full technique has the mantras of the 7 lokas, each beginning with AUM. On which course did you receive this? Courcheval, Summer of '75. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/19/05 7:41 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/19/05 10:56 AM, Bhairitu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't do know of any other tradition which believes this Om thing outside of TM. Do you? No. And I asked Ammachi about it in a public lecture and she commented rather forcefully about it for about 15 minutes (in favor of OM). Well, she would, since she teaches Om, does she not? She does, because she thinks it's a good thing to do. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
bbrigante wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/19/05 6:13 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ammachi, Shree Maa, Karunamayi, Mirabai, Mother Meera, etc. etc. I will presume that none of these ladies are recluses since you are mentioning Ammachi first, and she is clearly not a recluse. Anyway, what happens today in India or since the beginning of the Kaliyuga is not relevant since this is not Vedic India. The Vedic literature does not indicate that ladies became recluses, except that sometimes a wife would accompany her husband when they abandoned householder life and went to live in the forest after their kids were grown up. All of them are/were involved in teaching, and in most cases, traveling to teach, (add Ananda Moyi Mi to the list), but none are/were householders. So I guess that makes them recluses. Would you say Maharishi is a recluse, or do you distinguish between recluse and monk? I would use the ordinary dictionary definition of recluse here: withdrawn from society; seeking solitude; lived an unsocial reclusive life hermit: one who lives in solitude so anybody who is out teaching is not a recluse. However, after one gains enlightenment, their desires are nature's desires. Guru Dev took sanyas at age 34, and then remained silent when they asked him to become Shankaracharya, which the people took to be an OK. The point about OM is that use by people who are not suited to be recluses will create problems (I'm talking about regular use of OM in meditation, not occasional use), so householders should use householder mantras. I think they mean to say renunciate not recluse. I once got corrected when I applied the term. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/19/05 8:12 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY once referred to himself as a householder when asked. It was on one of the more common tapes. Interestingly enough most people don't remember this. He had the most peculiar look on his face when he answered, as though he had never thought of the question in the context it was asked... That's a new one on me. I always heard him say he was a monk. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/19/05 8:53 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Courcheval, Summer of '75. Possibly the thinking was that Purusha, or precursors of these recluse groups, were OK for using OM mantras? Maybe. That wasn't explained to us. It was a pre-Purusha group. Mostly former 108's, International Staff, etc. Anyone on a non-Purusha group get these techniques? Vaj? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/19/05 9:06 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I emailed my friend who's sending me these daily OM mantras: Some people on FFL are wondering about the OM issue (supposedly makes you a recluse). Apparently you no longer buy that, or you wouldnt be sending these out. My mantra (from Ammachi) contains OM too. I have been using it for several years and am more successful than ever. And probably less reclusive. Go figure. And he said: By itself yes. But in consonance with the other mantras it enlivens them and gives them their strength. Used exclusively it burns the object of desire. Very big distinction this one and I think one that Maharishi emphasized for maintaining us within the TM fold and not looking elsewhere. My own personal opinion not based on anything I heard anywhere. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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on 6/19/05 10:18 PM, shukra69 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what exactly is aumkara ka japa? -- Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 Fax: 815-572-5842 http://searchsummit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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on 6/19/05 11:06 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whether these OM mantras in the Age of Enlightenment techniques were given only to Purusha wannabes or precursors, they stopped giving them out fairly quickly, right? And women never got the OM mantra A of E techniques, right? I'm afraid I don't know the answer to either question. But this discussion inspired me to do that part of the practice tonight. Maybe I'll stay with it for a while. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Japa on Om. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/19/05 10:18 PM, shukra69 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:So what exactly is aumkara ka japa?--Rick ArcherSearchSummit1108 South B StreetFairfield, IA 52556Phone: 641-472-9336Fax: 815-572-5842http://searchsummit.com[EMAIL PROTECTED]To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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This is all Vedic caste based shit, and is not the Dharma of Liberation which is free from such meager and worldly fears. Morover, Om has a residing element just as does any other mantra, and so will benefit positively those of like element and curse those of opposite element. True choosing of mantra for a person is done on the basis of similarity of element into friend, neutral, and enemy. Therefore, earth and water are friends, air and fire are friends, space is friend of all, water and earth are enemies of fire and air. The one class of mantras good for all are those of space element. This is the basis for choosing a bija mantra and nothing else. the best way is to match the first letter of the used name of the individual with the first letter of the bija mantra, so for Shelley, use Shrim, and for Carol, Krim, and for Bob use Bom (like Bone) and for Mo, use Mah, and for Leroy use Hrim. Orit can use Om. (But it will sound like ung). Simplistic statements about mantra are for dullards who have no understanding of life. In life is great diversity, so also in mantra. It's said that there are 50 crore mantras for use. What is that? Five million or something? Age only has to do with choosing mantra based upon desire for specific accomplishment. Typically only in the varna dharma structure. Om is still a manifest mantra and is not nirguna. Only the mantra of inner smashan is free of quality. - Original Message - From: shukra69 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Well, no. No it isn't an assumption it is just a lie as any honest reading ofthe quote of Guru Dev makes clear that you couldn't possibly honestlymistake it as applying to one woman only:aum-kara ka japaRepetition of the aum mantraMany people have not done the work of consulting the Shastras in orderto determine what is authorised and what is not, they look here andthere and from this they understand what they should do to engage inworship. Some people set great measure by the magnificence of the japaof aum. In Bhagavad Gita, Bhagavan certainly said that I am thepranava. But if the purpose is to attain Bhagavan's special form, thenwhy not use the method of grasping the lion as well, since he is alsothat too? Bhagavan Shri Krishna Chandra said that:-"mR^igaanaaM mR^igendro.ahaM" [Gita ch10 v30](Amongst beasts I am the lion).What actually happens to those who proclaim the greatness of usingonly aumkara ka japa, our experience up until recently we areinforming, listen; 2, 4, 10, 20 times constantly repeating aum then noparticular effect there will be. But if 2, 4 thousand unceasingrepetitions then in a short time [the connection with] the worldlysurrounding will become weak. Arsenic is a destroyer, but taking alittle then the effects will not be very rapid. If some excessive doseis taken then it actually kills. Those who use the method alone ofaumkara ka japa taking it to be the special form find that theirworldly discipline certainly weakens; working and regular meals gointo decline; wife and son etc become unhealthy and also die.Five, six years ago, we had gone to Lucknow for the occasion of LakshaChandi Yagya. On that occasion one old woman came to us and 2, 4people came along also. These people did say that Mataji was a greatdevotee, all day long she would remain in prayer and worship, but onlyvery recently her two sons who were in the prime of life had died.To this we asked; "Were you practicing aumkara ka japa?"She answered to Maharaj! The very same is our portion, all day long Idid do japa.We said that; well done that for your samsara (worldly life) you havedropped (aum) japa, at this moment do not renounce [the world].However, by adherence to the practise something very excellent shewill destroy, right here is the effect of aumkara ke japa.This then is done somewhere without love and if love's work is beingdone then the meaning and the object of love will be be annihilated bythe influence of aumkara ka japa.For this [reason] grihasthom (householders) are not authorised to doaumkara ke japa alone. Shastra with a view to grant good fortune donot give authority. If there was any benefit to be derived bygrihasthom by using aumkara japa there would be no reason for theshastra to prohibit.Mantras [sometimes] contain a mixture [of sounds including] aum thatare given for auspicious purposes. Another thing is this that womenare prohibited from practising japa with a aumkara-yukta mantra (amantra conjoined with aum). Wherever at the beginning there is thepurushha [male] mantra 'aum' then instead women should apply the sound'shree' .Bhagavan Shankar [Lord Shiva] giving instruction to Parvati on japaexplained that for women aumkara-sahita mantra ka japa [aum connectedmantra] can be like poison and for happiness
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on 6/19/05 11:24 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you have at least partially spilled the beans on the A of E techniques, would you be interested in saying if they were substituted for the twenty minutes of TM, as if they were advanced techniques? Or practiced for a couple minutes separately, like the special techniques? Practiced after TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Bob, nothing you say about mantra is right because you're a pundit and have no understanding of even the nyasa of one finger joint. - Original Message - From: bbrigante To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 11:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: on 6/19/05 8:53 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Courcheval, Summer of '75. Possibly the thinking was that Purusha, or precursors of these recluse groups, were OK for using OM mantras? Maybe. That wasn't explained to us. It was a pre-Purusha group. Mostly former 108's, International Staff, etc. Anyone on a non-Purusha group get these techniques? Vaj?***Whether these OM mantras in the Age of Enlightenment techniques were given only to Purusha wannabes or precursors, they stopped giving them out fairly quickly, right? And women never got the OM mantra A of E techniques, right?To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/19/05 11:58 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is all Vedic caste based shit, and is not the Dharma of Liberation which is free from such meager and worldly fears. Amma said something like this too. That this OM prohibition was something Brahmins used to lord it over lower castes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shukra69 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM mantras are mostly Shakti mantras and Siddha Yoga uses Shiva mantras. Hence why TM'ers live in the heads. Really? I don't get it! From Yoga-kuNDalyupaniSat (86/108, kRSNa-yajur-veda): kuNDalyeva bhavechchhaktistaa.n tu sa.nchaalayedbudha . svasthaanaadaabhruvormadhya.n shaktichaalanamuchyate .. 7.. My attempt at translation: Well, kuNDalii becomes shakti, a_wise_man(?) should move it from_its_own_place(?) to /the spot/ between the eyebrows, that's called shakti-caalana. Plus advanced Sorry, I'm probably confusing some here. In general, mantra shastra divides mantras between shakti and shiva mantras. Shakti mantras are considered more intense than shiva mantras and therefore usually not given to the general public. This is held in a lot of traditions. Both enliven the shakti but the shiva mantras seem to be safer for the process. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Plus advanced Sorry, I'm probably confusing some here. In general, mantra shastra divides mantras between shakti and shiva mantras. Shakti mantras are considered more intense than shiva mantras and therefore usually not given to the general public. This is held in a lot of traditions. Both enliven the shakti but the shiva mantras seem to be safer for the process.--What do you think about MMY's contention that Om is deadly to females and householders? And if you don't mind, could you give a few Shiva mantras besides Om, for us more dense people. You mean masculine as opposed to feminine mantras right? So for instance Gum, Glaum, Om, and such? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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I'm not sure what Maharishi has said about the AUM sound; My understanding is it is associated with the Goddess Kali. I can see why, Maharishi would say that married women, should not relate toclosely: to the insatiable Kali. And the sound of Aum, Is thatUniversal sound or vibration ofCreation. And everything dissolves into it... sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus advanced Sorry, I'm probably confusing some here. In general, mantra shastra divides mantras between shakti and shiva mantras. Shakti mantras are considered more intense than shiva mantras and therefore usually not given to the general public. This is held in a lot of traditions. Both enliven the shakti but the shiva mantras seem to be safer for the process. --What do you think about MMY's contention that Om is deadly to females and householders? And if you don't mind, could you give a few Shiva mantras besides Om, for us more dense people. You mean masculine as opposed to feminine mantras right? So for instance Gum, Glaum, Om, and such?Did MMY say that Om was deadly to females and householders?To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
