Re: Recover Root Password on FC 11 and Missing GRUB Screen
On 01/05/2010 02:15 AM, Hosea Phiri wrote: All, I have a client who lost root password for his machine running FC 11. I made an attempt to recover password by booting in single mode. I am familiar with editing the GRUB boot menu and appending linux single to make the server boot in sigle mode. My surprise, the machines boots differently. I noticed one major thing that looked different from other versions of Fedora I have used before. It does not bring up the Grub menu. It does not even show the services startup. It goes straight into login prompt bypassing all other stages which I guess run from background. Any I dea? I am told this has just started after loss of this password. Looking forward to your useful tips. Hosea Please do not post in html - read the list guidelines. You may find that: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reset_Forgotten_Root_Password will help with your problem. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Recover Root Password on FC 11 and Missing GRUB Screen
On 01/05/2010 05:15 AM, Andy Blanchard wrote: Adding to what Marko wrote, since it sounds from the original post like the system may be configured to ask for a password in single user mode. If that's the case you'll need to boot from the Fedora install disc and choose the rescue mode, or if not available use any Linux rescue/recovery disk and mount the root partition manually. Once that's done, *carefully* edit the file /etc/shadow on the system's boot disk and delete the long string of gibberish between root: and the next :, the next time you boot in single user mode it will drop you directly to the root prompt without a login and you can then use password to enter a new password. If it comes to this and you have the HDD's /etc actually mounted on /etc, then if at all possible use the command vipw -s to edit the file as this will set the necessary locks to prevent any file corruption etc. A better why is to chroot /mnt/sysimage and use passwd to change roots password. Then enter exit twice to safely reboot the system. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reset_Forgotten_Root_Password Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NetworkManager vs Cacheing nameserver
On 01/05/2010 09:08 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 19:08 -0600, Mikkel wrote: System -- Preferences -- Network Connections Pick the type of interface, and then the specific interface. Highlight it and click on edit. Under the IPv4 Settings, change the Method drop-down to Automatic (DHCP) address only. If you are using IPv6, then change that drop-down to address only. That worked for a while, then reverted. Dumb question - do you have more then one NIC, or more then one profile for one NIC? I believe if you have more then one wireless profile, (Different SSIDs) then you have to edit each one. I am not sure, but I suspect that if one profile changes it, it does not get changed back. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NetworkManager vs Cacheing nameserver
On 01/04/2010 06:39 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I installed bind and tried to use it as a basic cacheing nameserver, which in principal just means running named and pointing /etc/resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1. However resolv.conf keeps getting overwritten by NetworkManager, and I notice an excessive number of Resolving foo ... messages from Firefox and Chrome, i.e. no cacheing is being done as far as I can tell. Note that I didn't touch named.conf or any other config files. How does one convince NM not to interfere with resolv.conf? (Please don't tell me to uninstall NM, that's not going to happen). poc System -- Preferences -- Network Connections Pick the type of interface, and then the specific interface. Highlight it and click on edit. Under the IPv4 Settings, change the Method drop-down to Automatic (DHCP) address only. If you are using IPv6, then change that drop-down to address only. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printing problem w. Photosmart 8450.
On 01/04/2010 06:08 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: I have an HP Photosmart 8450 installed on fedora 12. It prints beautifully when it comes to colour pages on plain paper format A4. However, when printing photos it fails. I simply cannot force it to print 4 by 6 inch borderless photos. The printer test page comes out in the correct size but the printer does not accept that the photo tray is activated and when I activate the A4 plain paper tray the 4 by 6 inch test page comes out on A4 paper. I have set the following options: Media Size: Photo Borderless 4x6 in Media source: Photo tray Output Mode: Color Media Type: Photo Paper Print Quality: High-Resolution Photo Installed Inks: Photo + Color The driver is: hpcups 3.8.9 Does anyone know what is wrong? Try using Black + Color. Even though I have 3 color, 1 photo black, and one black cartilage, the Photo + Color leads to a wrong paper size error when trying to use the photo tray... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: A great LAUGH for all Fedora users today
On 12/31/2009 08:40 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:18:11 -0600 Aaron Konstam wrote: One could always reboot to runlevel 1 and change back even the root passwd. Some linux distros require you to type in the root password to continue to a shell in runlevel 1, but booting a live CD or rescue mode will work anyway. You can also password protect Grub to prevent any changes to the menu choices, and/or to boot specific entries. Most BIOS also have a way to prevent you from changing the boot device without a password. (Locks you out from booting off the CD.) Now of this stops you from pulling the hard disk and using another system to change the root password. Most laptop hard drives will let you password the drive. The password function is part of the drive, so putting it in another machine does not help. If you really want to keep it safe, you encrypt the drive. This should stop most attempts to change the password. :-) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: A great LAUGH for all Fedora users today
On 12/30/2009 08:30 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Wednesday 30 December 2009 05:58 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Having someone change the Linux root password would be better how? I guess I don't know enough about Win7 to know why this is funny. I think he means the root password would prevent a user from doing anything drastic. Changing the password of a regular user could easily solved by root. Whereas in Windows most of the time a regular user logs in with admin privileges. You would think that display machines would be set up with a guest account. Limiting logins to the guest account drastically reduces the damage you can do. (Does Win7 offer the guest login?) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: The Counter-Fedora People At #fedora
On 12/31/2009 07:46 AM, Randy Yates wrote: Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com writes: [...] To claim that you got banned for asking fedora questions sounds unrealistic. It's a biased view, I think. So you're making a judgement call on missing information? Perhaps what you considered appropriate for that channel was deemed inappropriate because of the way you presented it to the people? Perhaps. And perhaps what I am stating is true and unbiased. For example, if I don't understand something, I expect to be able to say, I don't understand. Your quoting leaves something to be desired. By cutting the paragraph before the first one you quoted, you change a request for more information to look like it is a judgment call. Though I guess your not including this information does lead to a judgment of you. If this is an indication of how you post on the IRC channel, I can see why you run into problems. (Missing part of the quote): One important thing that is missing in your post is an example of what had happened in the channel prior to one of those three banning you. Mikkel -- Registered Linux User #16148 (http://counter.li.org/) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 8 GB Flash drive formatted at 3.7 GB
On 12/20/2009 09:20 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: Then, I have no idea where the /sdb1 partition comes from. I also have a lost and found directory on that drive. You said it was formatted for windows before - most sticks that come formatted for windows have a partition for the FAT wile system. So it was probably already there, and you re-formatted it. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 8 GB Flash drive formatted at 3.7 GB
On 12/20/2009 09:00 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: You're right, my hasty extrapolations were wrong. But I don't believe you can get a Flash drive working that will be listed only as /dev/sdb any more than you can have a HD working with only /dev/sda. I have no idea about arrays, I'm talking about standard desktops with one drive. Under Linux, you can do both. While you will be asked if that is what you really want to do, the tools are happy to let you. Mount has no problems mounting /dev/sda if you have formatted /dev/sda. (Apposed to formatting /dev/sda1). Windows may not like it, but that is another story. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 8 GB Flash drive formatted at 3.7 GB
On 12/21/2009 12:16 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Mikkel mik...@infinity-ltd.com wrote: Under Linux, you can do both. While you will be asked if that is what you really want to do, the tools are happy to let you. Mount has no problems mounting /dev/sda if you have formatted /dev/sda. (Apposed to formatting /dev/sda1). Windows may not like it, but that is another story. Possible, if I ever reformat the drive, I'll remove all traces of partition with fdisk before. [r...@x86 extensions]# mke2fs /dev/sdg mke2fs 1.41.9 (22-Aug-2009) /dev/sdg is entire device, not just one partition! Proceed anyway? (y,n) y Filesystem label= OS type: Linux Block size=1024 (log=0) Fragment size=1024 (log=0) 15680 inodes, 62720 blocks 3136 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user First data block=1 Maximum filesystem blocks=64225280 8 block groups 8192 blocks per group, 8192 fragments per group 1960 inodes per group Superblock backups stored on blocks: 8193, 24577, 40961, 57345 Writing inode tables: done Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done This filesystem will be automatically checked every 34 mounts or 180 days, whichever comes first. Use tune2fs -c or -i to override. [r...@x86 extensions]# e2label /dev/sdg test [r...@x86 extensions]# mount | grep /dev/sdg /dev/sdg on /media/test type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=devkit) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 8 GB Flash drive formatted at 3.7 GB
On 12/21/2009 03:13 PM, Robert Nichols wrote: Mikkel wrote: Under Linux, you can do both. While you will be asked if that is what you really want to do, the tools are happy to let you. Mount has no problems mounting /dev/sda if you have formatted /dev/sda. (Apposed to formatting /dev/sda1). Windows may not like it, but that is another story. Putting a filesystem on the entire, unpartitioned device is referred to as super floppy or superfloppy format. It's been around, and supported, since the days of ZIP disks. My experience with ZIP disks was that if they came formatted, or if you used the Omega formatting tools, they always had one partition. What partition was an indication of what system they were formatted for. Windows was partition 4, Linux was partition 1, and I don't remember what MAC used. (It might not have used a DOS-type partition table.) I am not sure how far back the ability goes, but I suspect you could do the same thing with the disk packs attached to mainframes. I also remember removable platter SCSI drives that pre-dated ZIP drives, but I can not remember what they were called. The didn't have nearly as much capacity, and the cartridges were larger. I think I still have a couple in storage somewhere... (I really NEED to clean house!!!) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: gdm config
On 12/17/2009 08:58 AM, François Patte wrote: Bonjour, How to config the gdm greeter on f12. The clock is displayed in a wrong format AM/PM while the default system language is French It is now 15:57 in Paris, not 3:57 Thanks. Right click on the clock, pick preferences, and click 24 hour format. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 8 GB Flash drive formatted at 3.7 GB
On 12/20/2009 02:29 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: Now that i know it's a 4GB drive, I wouldn't format it ext3, but since it's already formatted ext3 and I don't plan to use it to exchange data, I'll leave it as it is. But, as I said. I still have this problem: e2fsck -c /dev/sdb e2fsck 1.41.9 (22-Aug-2009) e2fsck: Superblock invalid, trying backup blocks... e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: e2fsck -b 8193 device Dumb question - did you format /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1? I remember you saying you have a partition on the drive, so I suspect you will have better luck running e2fsck -c /dev/sdb1. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 8 GB Flash drive formatted at 3.7 GB
On 12/20/2009 06:46 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: If you remember well, I said I formatted the drive by right clicking on the icon. If you format sdb, an sdb1 partition will be created. If you don't have a partition, the drive can't be used. You can format a drive without a partition table, and still format/use it. I am not sure if it would get automatically mounted, but it does work. A partition table, and partition will NOT be created for you. Also, you can have a drive with one partition without that partition being partition 1. ZIP disks were famous for this. For a log time, DOS formatted ZIP disks used partition 4. The man page does say: e2fsck - check a Linux ext2/ext3/ext4 file system A file system is not a device. So, the filesystem -- here sdb1 -- must be specified. Nope - A file system is created on a device. Both /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 are devices. For that matter, a device is also a file. You can use an entire drive, or a partition on a drive, as a tar archive. (tar -cvf /dev/sdb /home/mikkel) Remember - under UNIX type systems, everything is a file - that includes devices. That is why commands like cp and cat work on drives, as well as what most people consider files. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 8 GB Flash drive formatted at 3.7 GB
On 12/18/2009 01:59 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: I have a Kingston Data Traveler 8GB Flash drive that was previously formatted FAT32. I reformatted it ext3 simply by clicking on the icon and choosing Format, but it still has only 3.7 GB available. Any way around this? You reformatted the existing partition. So it is the same size as the FAT32 partition. If you want to use the entire drive, you will need to re-partition it. You will probably want to use gparted for this. You have the choice of creating a second partition, expanding the existing partition to use the full drive, or deleting the current partition, and creating a new one. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: wifi-radar
On 12/18/2009 02:00 PM, jarmo wrote: I installed wifi-radar with yum into fc12 , but I get, when trying to start it: wifi-radar Can't open /etc/wifi-radar.conf. Are you root? What I'm missing? Jarmo You need to create the /etc/wifi-radar.conf file. I believe there is a template in the documentation. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help: No internet connection
On 12/15/2009 09:23 AM, William Case wrote: I have come to this thread late and only given it a cursory read. My knowledge of NetworkMangager is limited. However, in a response to my post Re: Fedora 12 -- A great new version !, Dec 13, Linuxguy123 makes the passing remark I didn't have video or a network connection at first boot. Somehow DHCP was disabled for eth0. I fixed that, ran yum update and pretty much everything is golden. He doesn't say much further about what he did exactly to fix it. But could your problem be the same as his Somehow DHCP was disabled for eth0. Of course, feel free to ignore. As I said -- late and little. Well, one way would be to run System -- Preferences -- Network Connections and edit the interface. There are drop-down menus under both IPv4 and IPv6 to enable DHCP. If you have the network applet, you can also right click on it, and pick Edit Connections. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Reading Pictures off of SD card Problem
On 12/15/2009 01:18 PM, Tod Merley wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Jim mickey...@sbcglobal.net wrote: FC11/KDE Attempting to read Pictures on mounted SD card. If i tell it to use DigiKam it will read the card and display pictures. If I tell it to use Filemanager it will open the wine.cfg window, there are no wine apps on SD card , just pictures. I uninstalled wine, but no help, If I tell it to use Filemanager it still looking for wine.cfg. Hi Jim! If I were you I would open a shell, obtain root privilege, use mount to see where the SD card is mounted, navigate to that point and use ls -a -l to poke around and see what is up. No need to become root. The card should be mounted with permissions that let the console user access it. At least it is in Gnome. I can normally just double-click on the icon and have it open the SD card. I have also used mc from a terminal window to access the files on the card. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help: No internet connection
On 12/15/2009 03:32 PM, Simon Schneebeli wrote: I've actually checked that. It's properly set and always was. The problem must be elsewhere. Astonishingly I have the same problem when I start from the live CD, and on the other hand I didn't have this problem when connecting to the wireless at my brothers, nor on Starbucks today. That's why my guess is that it must be somewhere between my computer and the wireless modem. I just didn't had time to play around with the modem configuration. That's the next step in my plan. I just need to get some sleep from time to time ;-) Simon This sounds more like a problem in your wireless settings. What type of wireless security are you using on your wireless modem? It sounds like your brother has an open system. Starbucks would also have an open system. It may require something more after you can access the Internet, but connecting to the wireless access point does not require your system to have a wireless key before hand. One other thing that can bite you when using WEP is if your system will not give an IP address until you establish an encrypted connection. I have not seen the option in Network Manager for the iwconfig key restricted parameter. (Though you can add it.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Errormessage - Dec 13 19:48:25 localhost kernel: hub 1-4:1.0: over-current change on port 2
On 12/13/2009 08:53 PM, Paolo Galtieri wrote: I'm getting lots of these messages in /var/log/messages Dec 13 19:48:25 localhost kernel: hub 1-4:1.0: over-current change on port 2 They're coming out about one per second. Anybody know what to do about it? port 2 is my Logitech web cam. They keep coming even after I stop the camera. It stops once I disconnect the hub. Paolo Dumb question 1 - is it a self powered or bus powered hub? (Does it have its own power supply?) Dumb question 2 - do you get the messages if you plug the web cam in direct instead of using the hub? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SB driver in F12 ?
On 12/11/2009 04:11 PM, Stewart Williams wrote: Mikkel wrote: If your hardware is not showing up, run aplay -l and post the output. List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 1: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], device 0: CA0110 Analog [CA0110 Analog] Subdevices: 0/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], device 1: CA0110 Digital [CA0110 Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Now this is strange - we have a card 1, but no card 0. Card 0 is normally the default sound card. I have to think about this a bit - I think the SB card is detected as a sound card, but Alsa is not able to access it. I am going to have to look - I think I have a SB card around here someplace, so when I get some time I will stick it in a machine and play. I am sorry I can not be of more help right now. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Posts getting ignored (was F10 rpm of grub2 completely broken)
On 12/14/2009 11:11 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: I wish it was, but my posts to this list about it were ignored for a week, and generally so were the posts bitching about the grub2 rpm being supplied, its broken in that it only searches the boot its booted from. The same grub2 autoconfig'er in the Mint 8 install gets it right, finding all the the installed distros on the system but does make a couple of minor, easily fixable mistakes. But you didn't want to hear it, vendor lock in and all that sort of politics. In mint 8 for instance, I installed the fglrx stuff and my video is just under 10x faster than it is when running F10. By the end of the week I will have switched to either mandriva or mint 8, both 64 bit installs, so its moot, I know the yellow in my cheerios didn't come from the milk. Your treatment of redhat/fedora users with over a decade of use has finally reached the quitting point. You refuse to fix openssh, hoping that would force me to install F12, and when I do and have problems, its go pound sand. My hammer broke. And the pieces have been deleted by over-writing that install. Do you think maybe the way you post, and the hassles of trying to work with you to try and solve problems, might have something to do with your posts being low priority on the list? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SB driver in F12 ?
On 12/10/2009 01:02 PM, Stewart Williams wrote: Luc MAIGNAN wrote: Hi, is there any driver available under F12 for Creative Labs SB X-Fi ? BR F12 correctly detects my card and shows that everything *should* be working, however I get no sound and when I try to play an audio CD or mp3 - it doesn't play/start. So there is definitely a driver for it now, but not sure why it doesn't work. Any idea's what I can try anyone? File a bug? Check your mixer settings, especially the Pulse Audio settings. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SB driver in F12 ?
On 12/10/2009 04:11 PM, Stewart Williams wrote: Mikkel wrote: Check your mixer settings, especially the Pulse Audio settings. Mikkel Anything specific? Because I have already looked at them and could see anything obvious. I would check System -- Preferences -- Advanced Volume Control. Then check System -- Preferences -- Sound -- Hardware and make sure your hardware is available to your user. Make sure the correct output type is selected analog or digital). If your hardware is not showing up, run aplay -l and post the output. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Using USB devices in VMs under KVM fc11 or fc12
On 12/06/2009 10:11 AM, Greg Woods wrote: The problem is that the device appears to be recognized just fine, but I can never establish a sync connection. You can try Sun's VirtualBox. For something like the Palm, that only appears when you hit the sync button/icon, so you need to create a USB filter for it. That way, the VM will grab it as soon as it is created. Another option would be to use VB with the network in the Bridge mode, and do a network sync. Pilot-link supports a USB/serial network sync client. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT?? Refusal to boot from external USB
On 12/06/2009 11:46 AM, BeartoothHOS wrote: My #3 PC is a handed-down Dell PowerEdge sc1420, now running F11, which began life as a server for a list I help manage. (The list is now hosted elsewhere.) I call it BBB (Big Black Beast), since it's so much larger and blacker than any of my others. I also have a Lite-On external USB DVD-RW drive, which the BBB sees perfectly well when it's plugged into it. I can read the files on it, which look normal afaict -- in fact, I have installed F12 on two other machines from the same DVD. And I have the boot sequence in the BIOS set to start with the DVD drive, in order to upgrade to F12 that way. But it doesn't. Try doing a USB boot instead of a DVD boot. I suspect that the BIOS does not see the USB DVD-RW drive as a DVD drive. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to list hardware manufacturer?
On 12/05/2009 04:27 AM, François Patte wrote: Bonjour, I would like to list the hardware manufacturers for some hardware installed on my computer (namely: cd drives and ram). Tape a look at hdparm -I and sdparm for the drives. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On 12/04/2009 06:49 PM, Marc Wilson wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Tom Horsley tom.hors...@att.net wrote: Because you can only have a max of 15 partitions on a disk without using LVM? The maximum number is 24, not 15. From devices.txt in the kernel documentation: 3 blockFirst MFM, RLL and IDE hard disk/CD-ROM interface 0 = /dev/hdaMaster: whole disk (or CD-ROM) 64 = /dev/hdbSlave: whole disk (or CD-ROM) For partitions, add to the whole disk device number: 0 = /dev/hd? Whole disk 1 = /dev/hd?1First partition 2 = /dev/hd?2Second partition ... 63 = /dev/hd?63 63rd partition For Linux/i386, partitions 1-4 are the primary partitions, and 5 and above are logical partitions. Other versions of Linux use partitioning schemes appropriate to their respective architectures. 8 blockSCSI disk devices (0-15) 0 = /dev/sdaFirst SCSI disk whole disk 16 = /dev/sdbSecond SCSI disk whole disk 32 = /dev/sdcThird SCSI disk whole disk ... 240 = /dev/sdpSixteenth SCSI disk whole disk Partitions are handled in the same way as for IDE disks (see major number 3) except that the limit on partitions is 15. Because the drives are using the SCSI high level driver, any partition above 15 will not be recognized by Fedora. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On 12/05/2009 10:08 AM, Marc Wilson wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Daniel B. Thurman d...@cdkkt.com wrote: On SATA, it is 15. On IDE it's 24? Not sure about PATA. I'd like to see documentation supporting the idea that the data structures ON the disk are somehow tied to the underlying interface technology, please. They are not. But the high level driver only supports x number of partitions. Because the SCSI top level drivers are being used, only 15 partitions are usable, regardless of the number being defined. Also, the DOS partition table is not the only one supported. You can also access the drive without any partition table. You will find that you can format /dev/sdb, and then mount /dev/sdb on a mount point. I used /dev/sdb, but you can do it with any drive. But because most people have their Linux install already on /dev/sda, using /dev/sda would cause problems... :) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Cron Monthly abnormality in FC12
I ran into something strange with cron in FC12. The monthly cron jobs ran on December 2nd, instead of December 1st. The system was up continually from before November 30th, until after December 2nd. But for some strange reason the monthly jobs were run on the 2nd. This is a problem because the system sends out calendars on the 1st of each month, and sending them out on the second is a real problem. Mikkel -- Yes, I'm a dirty old man ... and I'll be one until I'm a DEAD old man! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
qmmp x86_64 dependency problem
Have others run into the problem where the qmmp x86_64 update wants to drag in a bunch of .i686 packages as dependencies when you try to upgrade it? I already have all the 64 bit equivalents installed and the installed qmmp 64 bit package works fine. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: qmmp x86_64 dependency problem
On 12/03/2009 10:10 AM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: On 12/03/2009 10:46 AM, Mikkel wrote: Have others run into the problem where the qmmp x86_64 update wants to drag in a bunch of .i686 packages as dependencies when you try to upgrade it? I already have all the 64 bit equivalents installed and the installed qmmp 64 bit package works fine. I don't see that on f11.X86_64. I don't currently have qmmp installed. When I try and do yum install qmmp, the only package it wants to install is qmmp.x86_64 0:0.2.3-4.fc11. Perhaps something else is causing the dependencies you are seeing? This is in F12. The only package I am trying to upgrade is qmmp. But the version in the F12 repo is qmmp.0.3.1-1.f12.x86_64. I already have qmmp-0.3.0-3.fc12.x86_64 installed. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
On 12/01/2009 07:16 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: But the question is: can one install from the stick in some way if the machine does _not_ support booting from it? The suggestion was that one should copy vmlinuz and initrd from the stick to the hard disk, and add a stanza to grub.conf to boot from this. My question is: would clicking on Copy to hard disk at that point look at the USB stick for the data to copy? Something to think about - it is already using the USB stick as its source. The file system that is on the stick is a compressed file system, so it is already accessing it. When it does the copy to disk, it is coping the expanded version of the file system, not the compressed image. At that point, it does not care where the compressed image is. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
On 11/30/2009 09:16 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Once the kernel boots, it will see the USB drive as long as the USB and USB storage modules are build into initrd.img. Once the kernel and the initial ramdisk are loaded, you are no longer using the BIOS for access. But if I click on Install on Hard Disk, won't it look on the hard disk where vmlinuz and initrd have been copied for the data to download? No. Remember, the file system from the live CD is a compressed file system. It is the uncompressed, working version of the file system that is copied. If it just copied the compressed image, then updates would quickly become a problem. You can not write to the compressed file system, and using a persistent overlay, like you do when running from the USB stick, is not a good option. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Adding a soundcard to FC12
On 11/30/2009 05:24 AM, Pauls Lists wrote: Hi All, I am currently using a Plantronics C60 headset on my Fedora box. However I do have a realtek intergrated soundcard that I would like to use from time to time on the same computer. After having checked out the sounds output page in the preferences menu of FC12 there is only mention of the C60 device and no mention of the realtek device there. How can I go about setting up my realtek card in FC12?. This machine is a duel boot PC with windows XP and the realtek card is working fine in there so am sure that it would appear to be working okay. If someone can give me some easy to follow advice on how to add in my realtek card that would be great. Many thanks, Paul. Dumb question - is your BIOS set to disable the on-board sound card when it detects another sound card? (Or is it turned off in the BIOS?) You normally would not have to do anything to add the sound card. As long as Linux can detect the card, it should configure it for you. You can also run lspci and see if the sound card is shown. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install Fedora-12?
On 11/30/2009 05:58 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: jackson byers wrote: Under Fedora-11, the USB stick is /dev/sdc , with the Fedora-12 partition at /dev/sdc2 . However, when I ran grub interactively, and set grub root (hd2,1) it said that that disk did not exist. I tried hd0 to hd6 but it only found my 2 SCSI disks at hd0 and hd1 . It seems that grub does not necessarily see a USB disk, even if Fedora can see it. Yes, exactly the point of my earlier reply. If you 'cp' or 'mv' the vmlinuz and initrd.img to your internal disks, then grub can find them. But will it then be able to see the USB stick, in order to copy the Fedora-12 files to the hard disk? Otherwise the exercise seems pointless, as one might as well have copied the ISO file to the hard disk. Once the kernel boots, it will see the USB drive as long as the USB and USB storage modules are build into initrd.img. Once the kernel and the initial ramdisk are loaded, you are no longer using the BIOS for access. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Missing space on flash drive
On 11/28/2009 11:52 PM, .:: [F]usion[S]tream ::. -- online wrote: I know this is technically not a fedora question, but I'm hoping to leverage on the collective smarts here. I recently received a Sandisk Cruzer 16GB. I successfully removed all the U3 crap. However, after converting the fs type to ext3, GParted displays a used space of around 900MB. df displays a different amount and qtparted displays yet another amount. Converting back to fat32 in GParted displays 15MB of usage whereas converting in Windows displays 8kB usage. With ext4, GParted displays a used amount of ~450MB. The total size is mostly correct with regards to Sandisk's 16GB actually being 16billion byes. What is a new filesystem displaying false used space readings? What is happening? There are a couple of reasons for the disk space being used. First, with journaling file systems like ext3, you have space for the journal. Also, unless you specify otherwise, you have space reserved for root when you create the file system. I am not sure why qtparted and gparted would display different amount, as both are front ends for parted, so they should be starting with the same numbers. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora and USB ??
On 11/29/2009 10:01 AM, Jim wrote: FC12 What Config files in /etc have to be setup for using USB devices ? Normally none, unless you want something special. For USB drives, they should get automatically mounted off of /media when you plug them in. At least mine do. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problem wih Installation
On 11/29/2009 04:46 PM, Mahmoud Abou-Eita wrote: Thanks all, I burnt the 5 CDS, but when I boot from the CD-ROM nothing happens also. Windows loads just normally . I'm downloading the Live cd! Dumb questions: - what is the boot order set up in your BIOS? Is it set to boot off the hard drive as the first choice? - can you hit a key during the boot process to let you select what media to boot from? - if you open the CD in Windows, do you see multiple files and directories, or just one .iso file? Mikkel -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting a bad thing? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: changing GDM background image on F12
On 11/28/2009 07:56 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: Todd Zullinger t...@pobox.com writes: As the subject says, he's trying to change the background for the GDM screen. Since GDM doesn't provide a panel, there isn't really a convenient way to browse to system-preferences-appearance... :) Using gconftool-2 is generally the best way to achieve this, and works fine for me on F-12 (as it has in past releases). Why it's not working for Fred remains to be seen. You can also set it as a user's background via the normal preferences setting and then make that the system default (via the bottom Make Default button). -wolfgang Would that affect GDM's background, or only the Gnome desktop's background? They are not the same thing. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 - F12 from DVD: error; unable to read package metadata
Colin Brace wrote: Hi all, I would like to upgrade an existing F11 system to F12. However, the installer throws up an error message: Unable to read package metadata. This may be due to a missing repodata directory. Please ensure that your install tree has been properly generated. Cannot retrieve repository data (respond.xml) for respository anaconda-InstallationRepo-200911081904-x86_64. Please verify its path and try again. I've seen this the last few Fedora upgrades. As a result, I usually end up doing the upgrade with yum. However this time I am changing architecture (686-86_64) and would prefer to do it from the DVD, as I don't believe that using yum to do this is supported. Thanks. Try starting the install again, but skip the disk check this time. I have one machine that has this problem - it can no longer access the DVD after the media check. But if I reboot, and skip the check, it works. (The DVD passes the check.) I keep meaning to look into this, and get enough details for a bug report. But I start playing with the new version, and I forget about it again. Just to make things interesting, The same DVD works in another machine after doing the check, so it is something about the first machine. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Restoring Windows MBR over GRUB stage 1
Andrew Hall wrote: I have a two disk setup with Windows on /dev/sda and Linux on /dev/sdb GRUB stage 1 is in the MBR of /dev/sda and boots each OS by directing to stage 2 on /dev/sdb I now wish to entirely remove /dev/sdb but continue to boot Windows from /dev/sda I guess I need to do one of two things. Either... 1. Get GRUB stage 1 to boot Windows ...or... 2. Restore the native Windows bootloader to the MBR on /dev/sda The problem is that I have no idea how to do either. Can anyone help ? Thanks very much. You can probably boot from a windows CD, go to the recovery console, and enter fixmbr. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12 EEEPC 1000H WLAN with hidden SSID no go
Bill Davidsen wrote: Tim wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 15:14 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: I don't use hidden SSID much, as it only lends a tiny bit of security It doesn't add *ANY* security. It *does* add problems. It doesn't hide your access point, at all. It still appears as an access point that can be used. Anybody, and everybody, can see that there's one there. It just doesn't have a name associated with it. And the lack of a name doesn't prevent anyone from using it. FUD. How can you hold two diametrically opposed ideas in your brain without your head exploding? Look at your first two lines and reconcile adds no security with harder to use. The fact that problems come up regularly from legitimate users indicates that it is harder to get working, how that can fail to lend a tiny bit of security eludes me. I certainly didn't suggest that it was a desirable practice, but I gave it an honest appraisal. The fact that it wouldn't slow you down doesn't make it worthless. However, those are your opinions, you're welcome to them. The second one certainly is correct. You have to remember that you have two types of users here. You have the normal users - they want to connect to the access point without problems. Hiding the SSID hurts them. Then you have the cracker. Hiding the SSID does not hamper him, as he is capturing packets anyway to help break the encryption. This gives him the SSID as part of the process even if it not being broadcast. So as a security measure, it does not add security, while at the same time, it is making it harder for normal users. The one exception I can see to that is if the only security is hiding the SSID. The the person cracking the system has to find the SSID before connecting. The normal users already have it. But they have to tell the computer what SSID you are trying to connect to, instead of the system seeing the SSID and connecting to it, or giving you a choice of SSIDs to connect to. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: XV under x86_64
Reg Clemens wrote: I use XV for everyting, and it worked fine till I went to 64bit Fc11 Is there an rpm out there with a good 64bit xv in it? Currently the 32bit version cant find a needed library, even tho its in /usr/lib64 Did you try the 64bit version from rpmfusion-nonfree? I know the one for FC12 works fine. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Urgent Help Needed for Boot Problems After Data Restoration
Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote: Hi All, After restoring data from a backup image set for a 500GB harddisk to a 1000 GB harddisk, I am unable to boot up my F11 OS. I have already restored *both* the MBR backup and the dump output from sfdisk. What else is missing? I am stuck at a blinking cursor at the top left corner of the screen. GRUB is not loading and I am unable to select any kernel to boot. Using System Rescue CD, I am able to activate all the logical volumes and all the volume groups that were restored. I am also able to mount all the logical volumes and access the restored filesystems. So I think the filesystems are restored properly. So I think it is the problem with MBR, sfdisk dump output restoration, or GRUB. Is there a problem with restoring data of a 500 GB harddisk to a 1 TB harddisk? Thank you. You will need to re-install Grub. Because Grub uses the BIOS to access the drive, and because the first stage loader is rather dumb, (Not enough space for a smart loader) it needs to know the physical location of stage 1.5. The procedure for re-installing Grub is well covered, so I will not post it again. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: spoof rsa fingerprint
Gordon Messmer wrote: On 11/17/2009 04:53 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It's my understanding that the password would still be sent over an encrypted channel (using the original host's public key), so I don't see the problem. There is no original host in the hypothesized scenario. There's an attacker whose public key has a fingerprint that matches the original host. The victim connects to the attacker instead of the original host. Since the original host isn't involved, the original host's key won't be either. However, as previously stated, this is extraordinarily difficult by design. From the original post: what happens, if someone turns off my router, then installs a pc with ip 192.168.1.1? And! - it spoofs _the same rsa fingerprint_, that was on my router. I think what the OP was missing was that the fingerprint being sent is telling you what public key to use. If you already have that key, then the replacement machine is out of luck unless it also has the matching private key. Now, if the fingerprint sent does not match a public key in known_hosts, and the host is not known, you will be asked to accept the public key. But if the host is known, and the fingerprint does not match, you will be warned about a possible man-in-the-middle attach, and will have to authorize the connection. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Grub ??
Jim wrote: FC 11 We have two Linux distros installed on one hard drive. How do I in fedora tell grub to show both Distros on the Boot Menu at boot start up so I may select select one of two at Boot start. If I do a grub-install /dev/hda from Fedora it will only show the Fedora Kernels at Boot Menu and not the other Linux OS. And what is even worse is if the other Distro does a Kernel update it's not shown in the Boot menu at start up. I know I could tell yum.conf not to update kernels, but I don't want that. I'm using Mint as second Distro. and at boot startup Mint in it's boot Menu does not give you the apend (a) feature but Fedora does. One way I have done this is to install the boot loader for the second distribution to the partition boot record instead of the mbr. (/dev/sda2 instead of /dev/sda where /dev/sda2 is the /boot partition of the second install.) There may be an option to do this during install. (Fedora offers it.) Or you can use: grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda2 I then add an entry in the grub.conf for the first install that chainloads to the second install. It means you get an extra menu for the second install, but all menus are properly updated by kernel upgrades. title Mint root (0,0) chainloader hd(0,1)+1 This is based on Fedora /boot being on /dev/sda1 and Mint /boot being on /dev/sda2 - you will have to change the hd(0,1) to match your system. -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: disaster recovery Q's
Gene Heskett wrote: Logically, the root (hd0,0) must over-ride any UUID's that may be in the initrd.img, otherwise it could not possibly have found even the grub.conf to show me at boot time. The root (hd0,0) is only used by Grub, and tells Grub where to find its information. It is completely independent of the OS. But it does need to be on a file system that Grub can read. (There are exceptions to this...) The only affect it has on booting Linux is that it tells Grub the start of the path to find the files specified in the menu entries. It has nothing to do with locating grub.conf. This is set by grub-install. As for Grub documentation, you can try the Grub info file. It can be a bit cryptic in places, but it does cover this. The thing to remember is that Grub is not a Linux program. It is a boot loader that can load Linux, as well as other operating systems. You can install and use Grub on a system that does not have Linux installed at all. You can also boot a Linux system that does not have Grub installed. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: man 3 switch
Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 14:50:57 -0500, Steven W. Orr ste...@syslang.net wrote: Or my personal favorite, in Fortran. DO 10 I = 1,100 Not to mention the easy to make typo DO 10 I = 1.100 It can take quite a while to figure that one out the first time it happens to you. Especially reading crappy line printer output or the print along the top of the cards (assuimg you had any). You mean you couldn't read the cards by the punches? (7 bit ASCII) You could also do the same with paper tape. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: disaster recovery Q's
Gene Heskett wrote: The last time I looked at pinfo grub (note the 'p', info itself is a POS) cryptic was not the description that came to my mind. Far more is left unwritten than is written. IMO. I agree - info is almost unusable. I hear there are other ways to read info files besides pinfo, but I stick to pinfo. And my point was Mikkel, that the contents of the initrd.img, regarding much of this, are completely moot once the initrd.img file has been found and loaded. Therefore the previous posts in this and other previous threads, claiming that the drive/partitions UUID's were part of the initrd.img, are in fact bogus. True. The thing I was trying to clear up is that the hd(0,0) is only used by Grub, and not the kernel. It it only used after the menu is loaded. For example, if you did not have a /boot partition, you might have kernel /boot/vmlinuz instead of just kernel vmlinuz The hd(0,0) is only used to tell Grub the base of the path. You can also have different menu entries that use different base partitions. For example, you could have another distribution installed with the boot partition being partition 5 instead of 1. You would use root hd(0,4) as the base when pointing to those kernels. But neither specifies where the grub.conf file will be located. This is set when you install Grub. The physical location of stage 1.5 is written in the boot sector when you install Grub. (Usual in the mbr.) Stage 1.5 can then read the file system to find the menu. The stage 1.5 version is determined by the file system, and it is given the partition and path to the config file as part of the Grub installation process. But, given the lack of _good_ info on how grub really works, (IMO docs should be complete enough that the function could be re-written based entirely on the documentation available) such an obviously erroneous conclusion could easily be drawn. Yes, the info page is hard to navigate. Unless you know what you are looking for, you are going to have a hard time finding it. (You can have a hard time even if you do know what you are looking for.) About the only thing you can say for it is that it is better then the man page. I have often wished for the writing skills to re-write it. But that is beyond me. I do have some bits rattling around in my head. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: spoof rsa fingerprint
Eugeneapolinary Ju wrote: When I first log in to my router [192.168.1.1] through ssh, it says: The authenticity of host '.XX (192.168.1.1)' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is 51:c6:d1:7a:45:c4:74:3e:31:ee:3a:5a:2d:e1:bf:74. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? that's OK [it gets stored in the known_hosts file, on my client machine]. But: what happens, if someone turns off my router, then installs a pc with ip 192.168.1.1? And! - it spoofs _the same rsa fingerprint_, that was on my router. Then, when I want to log in to 192.168.1.1, I will type my password, and it will stole my password... So the question is: Could that be possible, to spoof the rsa_fingerprint? [because the router say's the fingerprint when first logging in to it, etc..so could that be spoofed?] Only if they can get a copy of the host's private key. When the host is added to the known_hosts file, what you are really adding it the hosts public key. This is used to exchange encrypted messages between the two computers to establish that the server you are connecting to is the server it says it is. This can not be done if you do not have the server's public key. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: unexpected logout
Dj YB wrote: thanks but how much time should I wait? could there be another explanation? I will run this test now and get back to you after it is done cheers YB. It is more a matter of how many passes, rather then how long. For a quick test, one or two passes will do. But for a good test, I like to see at least 50 passes. This will normally find obscure problems. It also subjects the memory to temperature changes. Once you are satisfied with the test, hit the Esc key, and the system will do a graceful reboot. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: malingering printers
Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: I have some HP inkjets. Sometimes they'll run low on ink, and cups will disable the printer. After replacing the cartridges, you need root access to re-enable the printers in system-config-printers. How can I avoid the need for root access? Is there a printer enable thyself option? - Mike I am not sure about system-config-printers, but for the CUPS web interface, you can set up other user name/group/password combinations that have administrator access. You can also limit the type of access specific groups have. Take a look at the /etc/cups/cups.conf file. You may also want to read the cups.conf man page... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Wifi Problems
Oliver Ruebenacker wrote: Hello, Running F11 on my Dell Latitude D820 laptop, I noticed that often I can not connect to open Wifi networks, even though my colleagues running Windows on Dell Latitudes can. Any idea why this is? Take care Oliver How are you trying to connect? (What program, steps used...) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: disaster recovery Q's
Tom Horsley wrote: Everyone seems to think UUID= is infinitely better to use than LABEL=, but specifically because I can control the LABEL but have no control over the UUID, I always change the fstab and wot-not to use LABEL= after giving my partitions meaningful labels with e2label. You may want to take a look at the -U option of tune2fs Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: disaster recovery Q's
Aldo Foot wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net wrote: And, if I rsync each directory tree to the new drive, will that move the UUID and/or labels too? Hmm... where does e2label stores the filesystem label? I don't know. I'd guess that dd would copy them, but not rsync. Anyone care to comment? When coping entire partitions, I like to boot with a recovery CD and use parted, or one of the GUIs for it to copy the entire partition. As long as you are not using LVM, it tends to be faster then rcync, and much faster then dd. As an added bonus, it takes care of coping the ACLs, and only copies one file system at a time, without having to remember all the options for rsync if you do not use it often. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Simple Network Question: Part 2
Dennis Mattingly wrote: I have (another) simple question involving my router. Is this a Linux Bug, or simply a Bad Router? 1) My internet is perfect (normal setup) 2) Plug my computer internet directly into ethernet router 3) $ ping 192.168.1.1 network is unreachable So, is this my router, do I need to turn-off network manager, Linux bug, what next? A lot depends on how you connect to the Internet. If you are connected directly to the Modem, and have the computer set up to connect using something like PPPoE, then you have to make a few modifications when you add in a router between the computer and the modem. The usual change is to set up the router to do the PPPoE for you, and then change your computer to use DHCP and turn off the PPPoE connection. Another thing to keep in mind is that the network and default gateway that the computer is set up to use man not give you a route to the 192.168.1.0 network. For example, my DSL modem defaults to 192.168.0.1. If I were connected to the modem directly, my computer would be set up to use the 192.168.0.0 network with the gateway being 192.168.0.1. With the default setup, I would also have to configure the computer to make the PPPoE connection. But I have the DSL modem configured to do that, and I have the router configured to use DHCP to get its WAN IP address. So, without a lot more information about your setup, it is not possible to answer your question. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Impossible to access boot menu
Aioanei Rares wrote: Please explain what do you mean by 'different effect' and how is the hw reset by rebooting vs cold boot Depending on the hardware, it may retaining settings during a reboot, but not when you power off the machine, and then power it up again. This can sometimes cause strange problems. This is especially true when booting a different operating system with out powering off the machine. There are also two ways to reboot a machine without powering it off. The warm boot does not normally re-initialize the hardware. A cold boot does run the initialization routines routines, but the hardware may not be properly initialized. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Impossible to access boot menu
Marcel Rieux wrote: Oh, oh! I had a USB keyboard when I installed but I now have a keyboard with a round plug. So, I tried to enable legacy support as Mikkel suggested, but I can't access the BIOS. You do not need legacy support for the PS2 keyboard. (The round plug.) Legacy support makes a USB keyboard look like a PS2 keyboard to the system. The fact that you had a USB keyboard when you installed should not make a difference. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Impossible to access boot menu
Marcel Rieux wrote: On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Mikkel mik...@infinity-ltd.com wrote: Marcel Rieux wrote: Oh, oh! I had a USB keyboard when I installed but I now have a keyboard with a round plug. So, I tried to enable legacy support as Mikkel suggested, but I can't access the BIOS. You do not need legacy support for the PS2 keyboard. (The round plug.) Legacy support makes a USB keyboard look like a PS2 keyboard to the system. The fact that you had a USB keyboard when you installed should not make a difference. Wikipedia seems to think it's the other way around: Legacy support The term legacy support is often used with reference to obsolete or legacy computer hardware, whether peripherals or core components. Operating systems with legacy support can detect and use legacy hardware. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_system#Legacy_support Anyways, I have to get a new keyboard. BIOS USB legacy support is a bit different. It is using the BIOS to support legacy programs that expect a PS/2 keyboard/mouse when you have a USB keyboard/mouse. You do not need it when you are using a PS/2 keyboard and mouse. A serial mouse is a completely different story, but not too many people have them... :) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why should a machine not boot liveCD if HD fails?
Mike Cloaked wrote: In fact with no alteration in the BIOS settings at all - once the new HD was in place I interrupted the boot with F12 and selected the optical drive to start PartedMagic from the liveDVD - exactly this process worked once the new drive was in place where it failed to do so with the dead HD in place - that is something I never experienced before. It may have been that the drive was detected, but was not responding to the request for drive information. The system will hang for a long time waiting for the drive to spin up and respond. You can run into the same problem when the BIOS is set to a specific drive size/type, and you remove that drive. I have also seen it happen when you put in too large of a drive for the controller. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Impossible to access boot menu
Marcel Rieux wrote: I try to access the boot menu, where you can choose a kernel and, whatever key I press, I can't stop the countdown and access the boot menu. I checked /boot/grub/grub.conf and I have hiddenmenu in it. But the back-up, /boot/grub/grub.conf~ dates back to August and has hiddenmenu in it too. Since I accessed the boot menu since August, I suppose this is not the problem. I have run into this when using a USB keyboard and legacy support is disabled in the BIOS. Grub is not seeing any keystrokes from the keyboard. If this is the case with your system, you will need to change the BIOS settings, or plug in a PS2 keyboard. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Gnome applications and .bash_profile
Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: It looks like environment variables set in .bash_profile are visible to applications started in gnome but not via a shell. For example evolution knows when I modify LC_COLLATE. It depends on the type of shell. Only a login shell reads .bash_profile. If you are starting a (x)terminal, and launching the program from there, the default is not to run your as a login shell. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Timothy Murphy wrote: ifconfig only seems to give the local 192.168.*.* address. Is there some way of getting it to tell the true IP address? (The remote machine is attached to an ADSL modem. I can get the IP address by accessing the modem, but I am not sure how I could automate this. I guess I could use lynx, and try to abstract the address ...) You could download ddclient and change the config to mail all messages to you. Or you could modify the pearl script to do what you want. On the other hand, it is probably easier to sign up for one of the free dynamic DNS services and just use the host name. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Timothy Murphy wrote: Mikkel wrote: ifconfig only seems to give the local 192.168.*.* address. Is there some way of getting it to tell the true IP address? (The remote machine is attached to an ADSL modem. I can get the IP address by accessing the modem, but I am not sure how I could automate this. I guess I could use lynx, and try to abstract the address ...) You could download ddclient and change the config to mail all messages to you. Thanks, I'll look at that. But would that give me the remote IP address? If it does not already have a configuration for it, you can modify one of the configurations to get the information from your router/modem. What it is designed to do is get the real IP address, and forward it to one of the dynamic DNS services. But all you need is the get the IP address part, and the mail messages part. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Timothy Murphy wrote: But I normally use openvpn, which works perfectly. I've had a couple of occasions when openvpn has failed - as it happened, one time was due to a storm in Italy when the internet connection went down - but what I have found is quite nice in the past is that if openvpn fails I can ssh in, if I know the IP address, and try to work out what is wrong with openvpn. Using dynamic DNS, you can ssh using the host name instead of the IP address. I have used it both for ssh and openvpn connections to this machine. (I just have to remember to open the firewall before I head out.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Timothy Murphy wrote: Mikkel wrote: Using dynamic DNS, you can ssh using the host name instead of the IP address. I have used it both for ssh and openvpn connections to this machine. (I just have to remember to open the firewall before I head out.) As I mentioned, I am actually using dyndns on this machine. I must admit though that I haven't succeeded in combining it with a domain I have from EuroDNS, though it is clear from the documentation that this is possible. But as I have said, I prefer openvpn - it makes me feel that the machine in Italy is really close to me! Also I find it easier to use, eg with KMail/dovecot , though that is probably just a reflection of my knowledge/ignorance. I guess I am not seeing what one has to do with the other. When I make an openvpn connection from my laptop back to my home system, I connect to foo.bar.com where foo.bar.com points to the dynamic IP address of my home system. I could also use the IP address instead of the host name. If you have openvpn set up correctly, it does not care about the IP address, or host name on each end - it just cares about the encryption keys. I have ssh set up the same way. (You can try all day with user name/password and not get in.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Timothy Murphy wrote: Mikkel wrote: If it does not already have a configuration for it, you can modify one of the configurations to get the information from your router/modem. What it is designed to do is get the real IP address, and forward it to one of the dynamic DNS services. But all you need is the get the IP address part, and the mail messages part. Sorry, I was being stupid. I am actually running ddclient to send my IP address to dyndns.com . I guess I could look at the code for this and run it to post the IP address to me. You can probably get by with just changing /etc/ddclient.conf. Uncomment the #mail=root line, and change it to mail the messages to whoever you want. (Assuming you have outgoing mail set up.) Configure the use= line to what ever you need on that machine, and do not set up any dynamic DNS service to be updated. I have not tried it, but it should work... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell IP address of remote machine?
Timothy Murphy wrote: OpenVPN makes me feel that all the machines are in the same LAN (which I suppose they are), while two machines linked by ssh seems somehow more remote. What I was referring to was using one of the dynamic DNS services and using openvpn. I don't see how one would give you problems with the other. With openvpn, it depends on how you set it up as to if you are joining the remote network, or just the remote machine. The same with the end making the connection. (Are you using a bridged connection on one or both ends, or have you set up IP tables and routing to do the same thing?) With ssh it is usually a machine to machine connection, but you can also get fancy with port forwarding over ssh. I used to forward port 25 over an ssh connection so that my outgoing mail was coming from the local machine as far as the mail server on the remote machine was concerned. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 10 auto mounting
Rod Rook wrote: If I knew the name of the program that auto-mounts the hard drives, I could do some research on that. Do you have any idea? Depending on what you mean by automounting, it can be either HAL or automount. You probably want automount - it lets ou set up mount points that will mount a file system when you go to access them. For example, if you have a bunch of CD/DVD images that you want to be able to access, but you do not want to tie up that many loopback mounts all the time, you can set up automount to loop mount the image when you go to access it. You can do the same things with hard drive partitions, Samba shares, NFS mounts, etc. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: sound recording with Fedora 11
Kevin Kempter wrote: Hi all; my son (the musician) has Fedora 11 installed on an HP HDX-16 laptop. He wants to record some of his band sessions, we tried using 'sound recorder' and plugging the output of his mixer into the mic input on the laptop. It does record but the sound is fuzzy and to say it was poor quality would be an over-estimate, since it's there but barely audible. Can anyone give us some direction per sound recorders for linux in general and specifically how to debug correct this issue with the mic input? Thanks in advance.. One quick tip - use the line input instead of the mic input if you have one. The output of your mixer is going to be the wrong level for the mic input. Also, you need to set the record level, and not the monitor or output level of the input you want to use. (Depending on what mixer, you may only have a capture control and a mic mute.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to check cpu temperature?
Aaron Konstam wrote: On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 18:02 -0500, Mikkel wrote: Did sensor-detect detect anything? Did you let it try all the different buses it asked about? I have run into sensors that are attached to the ISA bus, even though the motherboard does not have any ISA slots. (Built in serial/parallel ports are usually ISA.) You may also find that the same sensor is used by sensors and acpi. Mikkel sensors-detect did not dedect any sensor that would monitor a hardware component of any kind. But clearly a temperature sensor was detected b the kernel on the laptop, Let me try again - did sensors-detect detect any buses? if so, did it identify anything on those buses? As far as the laptop goes, it is more a matter of ACPI reporting a temperature output available then the kernel detecting a temperature sensor. The kernel has no idea of what the actual sensor is, just how to get a return value, properly scaled. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Mixing filesystem types in an extended partition
Carroll Grigsby wrote: Good evening: Am I correct that ext3 and ext4 partitions can coexist within an extended partition? -- cmg Yes. You can also have things like a swap partition in the extended partition. (You create logical partitions in the extended partition.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to check cpu temperature?
Aaron Konstam wrote: My laptop is a Dell Latitude D810 and the Desktop is a Optiplex GX880. Neither of them have a BIOS that allows one to turn on or turn off acpi. You normally do not have a choice of turning on and off acpi - may have a choice between acpi and apm. You can tell the kernel not to use acpi, or to use apm with the different acpi and apm options. But your machines may not support apm. The variables in the /proc directory are kernel created variables that have nothing to do with the sensors group of programs. Applying a cat to them is no different in GNOME than it is in KDE. Just as you would not expect cat-ing cpuinfo to be different in different Desktop Managers. True. But the /proc/acpi is created by what the various acpi modules can detect. If the BIOS does not support something in the standard way, then it is not going to be there, unless someone has created a module to support it. This is why you have things like the toshiba_acpi.ko module. When it comes to displaying the information, you get it presented in different forms depending on what program you use. sensor-detect did not detect any sensors that would monitor any hardware components on either machine. Yet I cold display the temp of the CPU on the laptop as described above. it seems clear to me that the kernel does not detect any temperature sensors on the desktop so I am clear out of luck. Did sensor-detect detect anything? Did you let it try all the different buses it asked about? I have run into sensors that are attached to the ISA bus, even though the motherboard does not have any ISA slots. (Built in serial/parallel ports are usually ISA.) You may also find that the same sensor is used by sensors and acpi. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: CPU temperature Thinkpad R61
Fernando Cassia wrote: By the way, when I say air compressor I mean one like these. http://toolmonger.com/2006/05/31/home-use-air-compressor-on-a-budget/ These are small, have wheels, and can be easily moved around your home/office and are small enough to be stored in a closet. Before someone mentions compressed air, let me tell you that you cannot match with a can of compressed air the cleaning power of the air coming out of an air compressor. That´s what llows you to completely clean a notebook cooler from the outside without ever opening up your notebook (and as I said, you must do it with the notebook powered up and functioning, otherwise the dust you remove won´t be expelled out by the notebook´s own fans and air flow, but you would be just moving dust inwards.. You do not want to use that type of compressor to clean electronics. You would need both an oil remover and a regulator. The normal operating pressure is more then high enough to damage the computer, especially the fans. You can also put a fine film of oil because this type of compressor is oil lubricated. Some of the oil gets in the compressed air. This is good for air tools, but bad for computers. If you want to use an air compressor, consider one designed to be used with air brushes. This is a much cleaner air supply. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to check cpu temperature?
Aaron Konstam wrote: On my F11 laprop there is a file: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature whwen cat-ed displays the temperature of thwe cpu. However there is not such file on my desktop running F11. Two questions: 1. How can I display the cpu temperature on the desktop cpu? 2. Is is it maybe because my desktop has a dual core cpu? This is normally caused by a BIOS that does not support the ACPI CPU temperature output. You may be able to get the temperature by configuring lmsensors. With a Dual core CPU, you should get 2 different temperature displays - one for each core. But to get them under thermal_zone, it has to be supported by the BIOS. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do you display cpu temperature?
Aioanei Rares wrote: First of all, maybe he's not usin KDE. Second , if the kernel doesn't know how to read temp data from hardware, how do you suppose that this wonder plasmoid will? Think about it. ;) The kernel display in /proc/acpi is driven by the ACPI interface in the BIOS. Lmsensors is a combination of kernel drivers and a user-space program that reads motherboard sensors in a different method. You have to tell the kernel what modules to load in order to access the sensors. For example, I have a ASUS P4R800-VM motherboard that does not support ACPI access to cpu temperature, but does support temperature reporting using lmsensors. But you do have to configure lmsensors to get the proper outputs, and not all motherboards have sensors. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to check cpu temperature?
Aioanei Rares wrote: On 10/16/2009 11:19 PM, Mikkel wrote: This is normally caused by a BIOS that does not support the ACPI CPU temperature output. You may be able to get the temperature by configuring lmsensors. With a Dual core CPU, you should geempet 2 different temperature displays - one for each core. But to get them under thermal_zone, it has to be supported by the BIOS. Mikkel If entering the BIOS menu, does it show the CPU temp and all that jazz? If it's a BIOS issue, it's less likely that sensors support will help much. A BIOS flash/update might help a great deal. You would think that would be the case. But in practice, you can have a BIOS that will read the same sensors that lmsensors supports, but will not provide cpu temps as part of its ACPI interface. I have a motherboard like that, and it has the latest BIOS available. (I am no stranger to upgrading a BIOS, or other firmware.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: CPU temperature Thinkpad R61
Christoph Höger wrote: Hi, I just wondered why my fan always runs after a while. After closing firefox (which took 50% cpu along with X) I now have a load of roughly 0.06 - barely nothing computed at all. Both cores are in the lowest config and yet my cpu temperature goes from 42°C to 47°C in roughly 2 minutes (and back by fan activity). I would understand this if there was some load, but what causes my CPU to heat if it does nothing? Design failure? Has anybody seen such a thing? regards Christoph When was the last time you cleaned the dust out? Also are the air vents on the laptop clear when in use? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Using a USB Hub on Linux ?
Jim wrote: From what I have read, If you have all the boxes on the same LAN, and the printer connected by ethernet the boxes should be able to connect to printer using lpd:// instead of ipp:// . Am I on the right track ? Does the print server support both lpd and ipp? Do you have the correct print queue? The queue names may be different for lpd then for ipp. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Using a USB Hub on Linux ?
Jim wrote: I'm using lpd:// . I have my home cups network printer setup that way and I can print without any problems. I'm using a 2Wire 1800HW router. Samsung CLX3175FN Printer. But I have a friend with the same settings using a Linksys WRT54GS router and I can ping the Printer from a Linux (cups) and windows XP. But it won't allow either computer to send and print from a Samsung CLX3175FN. Called Linksys, as usual there is nothing wrong with their router. Did you check the firewall settings on the computers? I know the default settings on XP does not allow printing to a network printer. I believe the default for Fedora is the same. I just went through that on my sister-in-law's computer. She did a firewall update, and could no longer print to the network printers. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can ISPs be trusted?
Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: ISPs could in theory run something like Wireshark to read your unencrypted email. (Or they can slurp it all up and send it to the NSA... read about the famous secret room lawsuits for more...) Since they are in the routing path, they could conceivably even rewrite your email. A good reason to sign all your e-mail - it make any that have been changed stand out. If you are going to encrypt your mail, you really should encrypt all your private e-mail. It makes it harder to know what messages are worth decrypting. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Using a USB Hub on Linux ?
Mark Perew wrote: Folks - You can argue that USB isn't supposed to do this, but in reality it works. My wife uses Windows XP and I set her up with an IOGear USB 2.0 Peripherals Sharing Hub, model GUB201. It has worked wothout a hitch in letting her switch one printer between her desktop and laptop. Ergo, it CAN be done. Please do not top post. It is frowned upon on this mailing list, and goes ageist the list guidelines. It can be done with a switch, but not a hub. The Peripherals Sharing Hub is really a switch by another name. The OP did not want to use a USB switch. (I am not sure he knew about automatic USB switches, or software controlled ones.) Mikkel -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting a bad thing? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Using a USB Hub on Linux ?
Jim wrote: On 10/09/2009 04:24 PM, Mikkel wrote: Did you check the firewall settings on the computers? I know the default settings on XP does not allow printing to a network printer. I believe the default for Fedora is the same. I just went through that on my sister-in-law's computer. She did a firewall update, and could no longer print to the network printers. Mikkel I'm going over tomorrow and take a look at those two computers, they are at a friends house. Do you get access to a Windows XP Firewall through the Control Panel ? Under security settings in control panel. Or under network settings. I don't remember exactly how it was worded, and it depends on the control panel mode. If you are using an after-market firewall, the access may be different as well. There may also be an icon over by the clock that will let you access the settings. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Curious Thumbdrive
Mogens Kjaer wrote: On 10/08/2009 10:05 AM, Robert McBroom (TNWestTex) wrote: Got a thumbdrive at a conference with the conference proceedings on it. While both linux and windows mount the device as a FAT filesystem and access the files, fdisk doesn't show me the expected structure. Anyone know what is changing? [unreadable lines deleted] What does /var/log/messages say when the drive is inserted? Mogens When looking at the logs, you may find that the drive does not have a partition table. It may be all one file system. While this is not common, it can be done, and it can be mounted when formatted in this way. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: grub.conf options [redux]
Ed Greshko wrote: How do you know that something has failed such that you will know to press the escape key? I have nto checked lately, but it used to drop to text mode automatically on a failed message when starting services. This may be on any error. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
Joel Gomberg wrote: On 10/08/2009 09:48 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: Hi all, Is there an easy way to transfer a system from one drive (holding boot, swap, lvm partitions, in the default F11 layout) to a different hard drive, if the new drive is smaller? If the new drive is larger, dd could be used in a fairly straightforward way. Tools like parted work better - they only copy the data on file systems they know about. But they do not handle LVM yet. They can only do a full copy - about like using dd to copy a partition. However, I want to try replacing a 160 GB hard drive with an Intel 80 GB solid-state drive, just for fun... Clonezilla worked like a charm for me, but I was going from a smaller drive to a larger one. I believe that it can handle your situation. It does not handle changing the size of LVM partitions. So you are probably going to be stuck with resizing them first. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: talk set up
Hiisi wrote: 2009/10/8 Rick Stevens ri...@nerd.com: If you must, you have to install the talk-server RPM, make sure that the talkd daemon is set to run or have xinetd start it for you and have UDP port 517 open in the firewall on both machines. I installed talk-server and xinetd (yum did it for dependences). Now what? 'service talk start' talk: tuntematon palvelu (unknown service) How to start it? How can I set it up to be started by xinetd? You use the chkconfig to enable/disable it under xinetd, You also need to start xinitd. chkconfig talk on (It may be talk-server instead.) chkconfig xinetd on service xinetd start This will start it, and configure it to start on every boot. You can also use the services GUI. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: grub.conf options
Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Where are they documented? In particular: * What does the quiet option do? * How can I get the system to display messages during shutdown? rhgb suppresses messages during bootup. Is there a similar option for shutdown? If so what is it? * In my grub.conf, timeout=5. Nevertheless the grub starts the boot process after 3 seconds. What am I missing? Thanks - jon You may want to run pinfo grub - it will open the Grub info file. If you do not have pinfo installed, you can run info grub. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 and CD Failure
Hiisi wrote: 2009/10/6 Daniel B. Thurman d...@cdkkt.com: --SNIP-- # mkdir /media/cd # mount /dev/sd0 /media/cd mount: you must specify the filesystem type -t option with appropriative type (vfat?). Try 'dmesg | tail' after you've disk just inserted. And the first place you should consalt with: man mount Unless someone really worked at it, it is not going to be vfat. It should probably be iso9660. But with CDs, it usually means that the CD isn't readable, or is not a data CD. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 and CD Failure
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Note: /dev/cdrom does not work. I tried this for both of my CD CD/DVD drives and I note that the devices respectively are: /dev/sr0 and /dev/sr1 # mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/cdrom /media/cd mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist These are normally symlinks created by udev. You may have to delete the persistent CD rules file to have udev recreate the proper symlinks when you reboot. (Or did they get rid of the file when I was not looking?) But then again, on F9 (as I reported earlier), hal is able to recognize both of my drives and to automount and start the default audio CD application perfectly. So - something is wrong with F11's device handlers... or so I think. Audio CDs do NOT get mounted. They do not have a file system on them. What is supposed to happen is that HAL puts an icon on the desktop indicating that you have an audio CD in the drive. It will then launch the selected CD player/ripping program, launch a pop-up asking what to do, or do nothing more if that is what you have selected. Instead of trying to mount the audio CD, try launching one of the CD player or ripping programs. Without the /dev/cdrom symlink, you will have to configure it to use /dev/sr0 Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: bash oom problem
psmith wrote:
for a in {A..Z}; \
do for b in {A..Z}; \
do for c in {A..Z}; \
do for d in {A..Z}; \
do for e in {A..Z}; \
do for f in {A..Z}; \
do for g in {A..Z}; \
do for h in {A..Z}; \
do echo $a$b$c$d$e$f$g$h; \
done;done;done;done;done;done;done;done; wl1
now i've just got to wait for the new hard drives to arrive and also
work out how to get it to start outputting a different file every 2GB or
so :-)
thanks again
phil
Well, if you are willing to setting for a specific count, instead of
size, you could change the last line to:
done;done;done;done;done;done;done;done; wl1.$a$b$c$d
or
done;done;done;done;done;done;done;done; $a$b$c$d.w11
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Re: bash oom problem
Mikkel wrote:
psmith wrote:
for a in {A..Z}; \
do for b in {A..Z}; \
do for c in {A..Z}; \
do for d in {A..Z}; \
do for e in {A..Z}; \
do for f in {A..Z}; \
do for g in {A..Z}; \
do for h in {A..Z}; \
do echo $a$b$c$d$e$f$g$h; \
done;done;done;done;done;done;done;done; wl1
now i've just got to wait for the new hard drives to arrive and also
work out how to get it to start outputting a different file every 2GB or
so :-)
thanks again
phil
Well, if you are willing to setting for a specific count, instead of
size, you could change the last line to:
done;done;done;done;done;done;done;done; wl1.$a$b$c$d
or
done;done;done;done;done;done;done;done; $a$b$c$d.w11
Mikkel
Oops - I was not thinking - change the last line to:
done;done;done;done;done;done;done;done;
and change the echo line to:
do echo $a$b$c$d$e$f$g$h; $a$b$c$d.w11 \
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Re: F11 and CD Failure
2009/10/5 Gregory P. Ennis po...@pomec.net: Mikkel, That has been my problem with hal. I am using gnome. hal recognizes the CD when I insert it in the drive, but it does not automount the cd. Where do you turn the auto-mount on and off? Greg They have been re-arranging things again. Check the Media tab of File Management Preferences. It is much easier to turn them off - you just have to pick do nothing in the pop-up window that you get by default when you insert media, and then check the always do this box. There used to be this nice menu item under the System menu that would let you pick what to do with the different media. I think the CDs were part of Removable Drives and Media. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 and CD Failure
Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 13:33 -0500, Mikkel wrote: They have been re-arranging things again. Check the Media tab of File Management Preferences. It is much easier to turn them off - you just have to pick do nothing in the pop-up window that you get by default when you insert media, and then check the always do this box. There used to be this nice menu item under the System menu that would let you pick what to do with the different media. I think the CDs were part of Removable Drives and Media. Mikkel It is not clear that the Media tab on the File Management preferences has anything to do with automount. For example it might say to let Audio CD Extractor get the job of dealing with audio CDs. But Audio CDs are not mounted. Neither are CDs handled by vlc. I see nowhere in that Media option that it tells the system to mount a data CD. I believe that is what the Software drop down is for... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: bash oom problem
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 13:54 +0100, psmith wrote:
do you have any suggestions what/where i should be looking to get my
required output?
As Sam says, your initial attempt is trying to produce all 1.5TB at
once, which is why it blows up, but that's going to happen anyway even
if you program the same thing in C. IOW it's not an issue with the Shell
per se, but with the approach to the problem.
Assuming you actually want all 1.5TB of data (really?) you'd be better
consuming it as it's produced, perhaps via a pipe. Of course that
depends on what you're doing with it, which you haven't said.
poc
One way to do it would be to break it down into nested loops. I am
not sure you could do it in bash - I am not sure how bash handles
loops. You can try something like: (Not tested)
for a in {A..Z}; \
do for b in {A..Z}; \
do for c in {A..Z}; \
do for d in {A..Z}; \
do for e in {A..Z}; \
do for f in {A..Z}; \
echo $a$b$c$d$e$f ; \
done ; done ; done ; done ; done ; done ; done ; done
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Re: F11 and CD Failure
Craig White wrote: If you are doing this without a GUI and perhaps in say runlevel 3, then try from command line... mkdir /media/cd mount /dev/sr0 /media/cd and see what happens Craig You can use gnome-mount from the command line to mount things as a user without having an entry in /etc/fstab. It is limited to what HAL thinks you should be able to mount, but it is handy when HAL does not auto-mount a device for some reason, or if you unmount a USB device, and want to remount it without unplugging and replugging. It is especially handy when a CD does not auto-mount. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 and CD Failure
Craig White wrote: that all looks good - I don't think it actually mounts until you tell it to mount - i.e. I use KDE and KDE uses a widget called 'Device Notifier' and it wouldn't mount the inserted CD until you do something like open the disk with 'file manager' (Dolphin). I don't know the similar actions from GNOME. You might find that the disk is actually available and waiting for user instruction to actually 'mount' it. Craig CDs are normally auto-mounted in Gnome. You get an icon on the desktop. But you can turn auto-mounting off. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: bash oom problem
jack craig wrote: you might consider piping your echo $w | xargs... When writing to a file, or just printing to the terminal, piping to xargs does not help anything. Mikkel -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting a bad thing? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
