date:20050315


Whew--glad to hear it's not herpes that Matilda has.
Good luck with the surgery, when it happens.
Kerry

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I brought Matilda (one of my 8mo old felv's) to the eye specialist today
because she has had a watery eye since day one.  My vet said it could
either be herpes (scary) or a blocked tear duct, but in terms of fixing
it I should see a specialist...so off we went.  Turns out its just a
blocked tear duct.  It could either be a mucous plug from the extrememly
bad eye infection she had when she was first abandoned or a congenital
defect of the duct itself.  He said I didn't have to do anything because
other than that the leuk has had no ill effects on her eyes.  my
boyfriend and I have deicded to get the diagnostic/ curative flush done
under anesthesia.  If its a plug it will fix it if its congenital the
surgeries to make a new duct are really exspensive and not that
successful so we'll see.  But I know how anyoing it is when my eyes
water so I figure it must bug her.  The surgery isn't scheduled yet
because we have to save up so I 'll keep you all updated, I haven't seen
anything!
  posted here about this so I thought it might be an interesting tidbit.
Kristi
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OT:Killing of Feral Cats (Update)





 
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:30:45 -0800 (PST)   From: Joan Mierzwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Humane Society Rips Feral Cat Huntwww.madison.com (WI)Humane Society rips feral cat huntBy Anita WeierMarch 14, 2005The proposal, suggested by a La Crosse man, is one ofthe questions to be considered at Wisconsin Conservation Congressspring meetings around the state at 7 p.m. April 11, including one inDane County at the Alliant Energy Center.The Humane Society called on the Conservation Congresson Thursday to dismiss "this blatantly cruel and unnecessaryproposal" from the agenda, and instead work with animal shelters andhumane societies to stem the flow of cats into the world."Shooting and killing free-roaming cats as a means ofmanagement is archaic and unwarranted," said Stephanie Shain, HumaneSociety director of outreach for companion animals. "The mereconsideration of this proposal is preposterous and if it movesforward, would reflect an unwillingness to explore long-term humanesolutions to conflicts with cats and wildlife."Asked about the Humane Society's request to dismissthe idea, Conservation Congress Chairman Steve Oestreicher said:"That's not going to happen."He stressed that the question before the ConservationCongress is not a plan to go out and shoot cats. It asks whetherthe congress wants the state Department of Natural Resources totake steps to define free-roaming feral domestic cats as anunprotected species.Even if the DNR did that, however, it would still takean act of the Legislature to permit the hunting of cats. The wholeprocess would take at least two years. Here's how it could unfold:If the people who attend the statewide meetings of thecongress approve the proposal this spring, it would have to goback to the DNR, which could either drop the plan or send it backto the 2006 spring congress meetings for more input on whetherferal cats should be reclassified as unprotected or declared a nuisance,Oestreicher explained.If voters at the Conservation Congress meetingsapproved that, the Natural Resources Board would still have to approve arule-making process that would involve public hearings. Followingthat, if the Natural Resources Board approved the proposal, itwould go before the state Legislature for review.So nothing immediate would happen. The earliest achange could occur is 2007, if then."Once folks find out the complete information, theyare much more comfortable," Oestreicher said. "We are not asking fora hunting season, merely seeking citizen input."Oestreicher said he has been getting lots of e-mail onthe subject and had an interview scheduled with a Canadian radiostation Thursday afternoon."That poor guy in La Crosse is getting pounded," hesaid.The proposal originated at last year's spring meetingin La Crosse County, where it was proposed by Mark Smith andapproved with a vote of 54-1.The proposal had come up two or three yearsago at one of the county meetings around the state but was rejected.April meetings: Normally, around 7,000 peoplestatewide attend the annual Wisconsin Conservation Congress meetings inevery county, Oestreicher said, though substantially more came outin 1999 and 2000 when a mourning dove hunt was considered andapproved."It would be great to have an attendance record thisyear," Oestreicher said. "No other state has as much citizeninput on natural resource issues as Wisconsin. The ConservationCongress sees to that."In fact, another controversial proposal may drawrecord crowds this spring. That question on the ballot asks whetherWisconsin should lower its hunting age from 12 to 10.The Humane Society of the United States has condemneda Wisconsin proposal that could lead to the hunting of feral cats.Return to story     madison.com is operated by Capital Newspapers,publishers of the Wisconsin State Journal, The Capital Times, Agri-Viewand Apartment Showcase. All contents Copyright ©2005, CapitalNewspapers. All rights reserved. 

 
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RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

Title: Message



Thanks 
for spelling out these situations, Tonya. And, words don't even begin to 
convey- thanks for everything you do for the feral kitties. 

Thanks for the chuckle 
too.
Kerry

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On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:10 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT:Tonya - 
killing ferals
I just think we're talking about different situations.  My Mamma Kitty 
I brought home from North Carolina last winter was living with a feral 
colony.  The colony lives in the woods behind my sister's 
neighborhood.  She feeds them, and we try to trap and spay what we can. In 
the meantime we stay worried sick about them being killed by hawks and coyotes, 
dogs, etc But we don't just trap them and euthanize them.  We let them 
live out their lives.
 
Other instances are for example 45 cats found living in an abandoned school 
bus where people had been feeding them and moved away.  Property being 
cleared for new homes.  We have a few days to relocate 45 ferals? Not 
likely.  A man dies leaving (we counted over 80) sick, inbred, injured cats 
on his property.  Family wants them gone yesterday, or they call animal 
control to trap and euthanize.  Where do we relocate that many sick, 
injured cats?  Even the well ones.  It's very hard to relocate a 
colony IF on the unlikely chance someone says they'll take them if we 
spay/neuter them? 
 
A restaurant calls with 25 or so ferals living in the dumpsters behind the 
shopping center.  We can get them out within a week or they will poison 
them.
 
We do what we can do.  Sometimes trapping and euthanizing is the only 
option we have.  Currently our humane society just goes into Mobile Home 
parks and spays/neuters everything they can find.  Whether they have homes 
or not, they leave them to live out their lives.  We also have spay days 
where people who have ferals on their property can use our traps and bring them 
to us to spay/neuter/release.  There are just cases, though, where that 
won't work.
 
I don't think anyone enjoys 'playing God' with the lives of these 
animals.  But we are basically put in that position and just have to do the 
best we can.  I'm sure all of my cats would be 'happier' if I let them go 
outside.  But I don't, because I don't think that's best for them.  
That's playing "God" as well.  I'm sure they'd rather have Fancy Feast 
every day too, but they don't get it.  : )  I'm sure they'd rather not 
go to the vet, etc etc...
 
With children, of course, there is no option to 'kill' them because they 
are abused, sick, or whatever.  I wish that were the case for animals as 
well.  But it's not.  Every time we get an email on the list from 
someone trying to place a sick cat or it will be euthanized are we all guilty 
because we don't take it?  Aren't each of us making a decision that the cat 
will have to die because we can't take it?
 
It would be nice to solve all the problems, but I don't have the answers 
either.
 
tNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Tonya,What 
  you went through with those dogs is heart wrenching! How awful for you and 
  the dogs. I should have known there was a story like that behind your 
  comments.>> My opinion is sometimes trapping and euthanizing is 
  the best we can do for them. And these are domestic animals, whether they 
  be feral from the fault of humans or not, it's a hard life for the adults 
  and horrible for the kittens. :(While there may have been no 
  alternative for those poor feral dogs, it's not the same for feral cats. 
  Dogs pose a danger to the humans in their territory in a way cats never 
  could. Wild cats are fringe dwellers, it's rare to even see a truly feral 
  cat, let alone be threatened by one. They don't hunt in packs and don't 
  pose a threat to humans or domestic pets, (unless of course they are 
  disease ridden, but that is n! ot what we're talking about 
  here).You're right, I still don't agree with trapping and killing 
  healthy cats, just in case they might come to a bad end. I believe where 
  there is life there is hope. TNR is the only humane answer I have found to 
  help alleviate the sometimes horrible suffering of cats and kittens in 
  the colonies. However they got to be feral, whether born to it, or 
  dumped and truly reverted, if it's not possible to socialize them, I 
  think they have a right to remain free to live their lives. I don't 
  think we're going to change each other's minds on this subject. But I 
  can't help voicing mine!Ninacatatonya wrote:> 
  Thank you Tamara,> > I know everyone won't agree on this. I've 
  worked with ferals, and > I've done spay releases, and I've seen 
  situations that were so bad > nothing else could be done> 
  > I fed a PACK of nearly 20 feral dogs for 2 years, trying to ma! ke 
  some > progress. These dogs were so wild they would chase me when I 
  took > them food! I spent many days running, turn

Re: Ginger - going off food again





I am trying. The last one was done by Simon's oncologist.  He can't do 
it for my other cats. The local vet agreed to do it but never seems to actually 
do it. I need to keep bugging her.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 3/14/05 5:13:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle,You can also put in another application for VO 
  yourself.  I've gotten two okays for Grace and one for Jazz.  I 
  have one sitting at my vet's office waiting until I have enough money to 
  order it.Nina

Re: Re: interferon

2005-03-15 Thread olsen

Hi,

I read this resource and it said not to give with food but the vet told me to 
squirt it on top of my FIV+ kitty's food.  
Has anyone else been told to give it with food?

Thanks,
Pat
> 
> From: "Melbeach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/03/15 Tue AM 09:12:06 EST
> To: 
> Subject: Re: interferon
> 
> Here's a good interferon resource I came across:
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/interferon.html.
> 
> Also, I saw an interesting post on the list from a couple years ago. The info
> comes from an Italian girl that Paolo talked to. It talks about cycling on and
> off to try and correspond with the cat's natural cycle, instead of seemingly
> random numbers like 7 and 7. It makes sense. But who knows? It's long. Here's
> the original post:
> http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:x04gHymhgiAJ:www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk%40vlists.net/msg32107.html+virbagen+immunoregulin&hl=en.
> Copy/paste below:
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I would like to share with you an experience with a different
> > way to administer oral Interferon.
> >
> >   That is definitely NOT flour from my mill. It came out from
> > several hours on the phone with that fine Italian girl that I
> > mentioned once, and that is really good in vet medicine,
> > with the addition of a huge "hands-on" experience and really
> > open-minded... much more open-minded that the majority of the
> DVMs ;)
> >   Unfortunately, notwithstanding she reads English without
> problems
> > (she lurks here, and in her PC there are even the most obscure
> works
> > from the most obscure universities), she says she's not good at
> all in
> > WRITING in English. What a pity !
> >   We got in contact because she lurked Felvtalk at the time of my
> > first posts. She would be a great presence on the list, just like at
> > the times of Dr. Myers, that Felvtalk oldtimers certainly
> remember...
> >
> >   Anyway, here is the stuff.
> >
> >   Human recombinant alpha Interferon, in FeLV+ cats, is
> generally
> > administered, orally, according to the well-established protocol
> > 7-days-on-7-days-off, 30 units per time.
> >
> >   Given in this way, alpha Interferon does not act "interfering" with
> > the replication of the virus (as it does when given IV at million
> > units), but instead triggering, through the typical target organs
> > (tonsils and sub-tongue area), the production of the cat's OWN
> > interferon (omega Interferon). So, the benefits for the cat come
> from
> > HIS OWN interferon: oral alpha Interferon is just the "switch" to
> > promote production of the cat's endogen omega Interferon.
> >
> >   Almost all FeLV+ cats, if not given a particular therapy, such as
> > Interferon, show the "rollercoaster" effect that we all know so well;
> > the cats goes uphill and downhill, and the "period" of this
> > up-and-down cycle is not necessarily regular. [ the "period" of any
> > physical *repetitive* phenomenon is the TIME
> >   after which the phenomenon repeats identically; the period of
> >   earth's rotation is 24 hours, the period of its revolution is 365
> >   days, the period of AC power from an USA mains outlet at 60
> cycles
> >   per second is 1/60 = 0.01666 seconds]
> >
> >   Now, if we take note of the period of the rollercoaster in a
> > "non-Interferon" cat, we see that this period is NOT 14 days
> > (that is the period of the Interferon administration protocol, 7+7).
> > This means that the two periods (rollercoaster and Interferon) are
> > "asynchronous" between them, and would tend to go out of
> phase.
> >
> >   In the example below, an hypothetical rollercoaster behaviour
> > (asterisk= "up" day) is confronted to the Interferon therapy
> > (asterisk= Interferon day)
> >
> >
> >      
> >
> > ***   ***   ***   ***   ***
> >
> >   We see that, in certain moments, it happens that the last day
> > of Interferon falls near or at the end of the "up" period (beginning
> > of the downhill). It means that the Interferon is removed when the
> cat
> > needs it more!!!
> >
> >   The function of the 7 days "off" in the standard Interferon
> > protocol is to avoid that the cat develops an immunity, i.e.
> > "insensitivity", against the oral Interferon that, being *human*
> > interferon, is marked as alien. So, no problem arises, from this
> > point of view, should the "off" period be LONGER than 7 days.
> >
> >   In this light, we modified the protocol.
> > Interferon was started only when I felt that Micia was beginning
> > her "downhill" period (any of us can notice it from many little
> signs:
> > drop of appetite, (s)he doesn't run to us when entering the room,
> > sleepy behaviour...), and, after the 7th day, it was suspended, but
> > NOT re-started after 7 days, but only at the beginning of the next
> > "down" period.
> >
> >   In this way, Interferon is given the very days the organism
> needs it
> > more, and removed when it can walk on its legs.
>

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

Tonya, just wanted to add to Nina's comment re e.g. the dogs you worked
with for all that time--you're a heroine.  
Tireless efforts such as yours, at no small risk to life and limb, are
the true and original definition of 'heroine' (and not the silly deeds
you so often hear the word applied to these days). More power to you.
Kerry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals


I'm sorry; one more thing that occurs to me that might help change your 
mind after all.  It seems to me, that killing animals because of the 
suffering they may endure later is akin to how most people/vets feel 
about immediately euthanizing FeLV/FIV positive cats.   While ferals 
don't have caregivers to ensure the best quality of life, they still 
deserve to live it.

I'm going to try and shut up now.
Nina

Nina wrote:

> Tonya,
> What you went through with those dogs is heart wrenching!  How awful 
> for you and the dogs.  I should have known there was a story like that

> behind your comments.
>
> >> My opinion is sometimes trapping and euthanizing is the best we can

> do for them.  And these are domestic animals, whether they be feral 
> from the fault of humans or not, it's a hard life for the adults and 
> horrible for the kittens.  :(
>
> While there may have been no alternative for those poor feral dogs, 
> it's not the same for feral cats.  Dogs pose a danger to the humans in

> their territory in a way cats never could.  Wild cats are fringe 
> dwellers, it's rare to even see a truly feral cat, let alone be 
> threatened by one.  They don't hunt in packs and don't pose a threat 
> to humans or domestic pets, (unless of course they are disease ridden,

> but that is not what we're talking about here).
>
> You're right, I still don't agree with trapping and killing healthy 
> cats, just in case they might come to a bad end.  I believe where 
> there is life there is hope.  TNR is the only humane answer I have 
> found to help alleviate the sometimes horrible suffering of cats and 
> kittens in the colonies.  However they got to be feral, whether born 
> to it, or dumped and truly reverted, if it's not possible to socialize

> them, I think they have a right to remain free to live their lives.  I

> don't think we're going to change each other's minds on this subject.

> But I can't help voicing mine!
>
> Nina
>
> catatonya wrote:
>
>> Thank you Tamara,
>>  
>> I know everyone won't agree on this.  I've worked with ferals, and 
>> I've done spay releases, and I've seen situations that were so bad 
>> nothing else could be done
>>  
>> I fed a PACK of nearly 20 feral dogs for 2 years, trying to make some

>> progress.  These dogs were so wild they would chase me when I took 
>> them food!  I spent many days running, turning back to 'face them 
>> off', trying to get the puppies out before they became feral, etc

>> It was a lose, lose, lose situation.  I spent thousands of dollars 
>> and millions of tears.  I finally had to let animal control go in and

>> trap and euthanize those dogs.  It was heartbreaking, but there was 
>> no PLACE for them to live, and no hope of socializing them.
>>  
>> I've seen cats in construction areas where they were killed because 
>> buildings were being demolished, cats crushed in dumpsters, etc.

>> My opinion is sometimes trapping and euthanizing is the best we can 
>> do for them.  And these are domestic animals, whether they be feral 
>> from the fault of humans or not, it's a hard life for the adults and 
>> horrible for the kittens.  :(
>>  
>> t
>>
>> */tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>>
>> Ok, I'm going to play devil's advocate:
>>  I have been active in the animal rescue field for most of my
>> life.  I have walked into alleyways in crack neighborhoods, by
>> myself, to feed ferals and do rescues.  I have spent more money
>> than any "sane" person should on strays, and even have driven
>> across several states to place the "unadoptable" because of all
>> I've seen, I HAD TO SEE THE HOME FOR MYSELF, because I DO know
>> first hand, that there ARE places worse than death.  Situations
>> worse than death.  "Loving, forever homes" sponsored by legit
>> rescues and good people...worse than death.
>>  I'm not advocating the killing of ferals, by any means!  But

>> I can
>> understand the "reality" behind the decision.  Not 
>> everyone will go to the end of the world for a cat or dog that
>> they didn't specifically choose..We (I am including everyone
>> of you on this list) few are the exceptionand as you all
>> know...there's just not enough of us to go around.
>>  I've worked in shelters.  I've volunteered at no-kills.
There
>> have been animals at both where even I have voiced..."Enough." 
>> NOT because t

Re: OT:Killing of Feral Cats (Update)

2005-03-15 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH

The guy from www.dontshootthecat.com, a local pet supply store owner, 
said on the radio last week that if the rule passes, it also poses a 
danger to outdoor city cats.  If a person trapped a cat on his property 
inside the city limits, where discharging a firearm is not allowed, he 
could then take the cat outside the city limits and shoot it.

Bonnie in WI

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:13 am
Subject: OT:Killing of Feral Cats (Update)

> 
> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:30:45 -0800 (PST)
>   From: Joan Mierzwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Humane Society Rips Feral Cat Hunt
> 
> www.madison.com (WI)
> 
> Humane Society rips feral cat hunt
> 
> By Anita Weier
> March 14, 2005
> 
> 
> The proposal, suggested by a La Crosse man, is one of
> the questions 
> to be considered at Wisconsin Conservation Congress
> spring meetings 
> around the state at 7 p.m. April 11, including one in
> Dane County at 
> the Alliant Energy Center.
> 
> The Humane Society called on the Conservation Congress
> on Thursday 
> to dismiss "this blatantly cruel and unnecessary
> proposal" from the 
> agenda, and instead work with animal shelters and
> humane societies 
> to stem the flow of cats into the world.
> 
> "Shooting and killing free-roaming cats as a means of
> management is 
> archaic and unwarranted," said Stephanie Shain, Humane
> Society 
> director of outreach for companion animals. "The mere
> consideration 
> of this proposal is preposterous and if it moves
> forward, would 
> reflect an unwillingness to explore long-term humane
> solutions to 
> conflicts with cats and wildlife."
> 
> Asked about the Humane Society's request to dismiss
> the idea, 
> Conservation Congress Chairman Steve Oestreicher said:
> "That's not 
> going to happen."
> 
> He stressed that the question before the Conservation
> Congress is 
> not a plan to go out and shoot cats. It asks whether
> the congress 
> wants the state Department of Natural Resources to
> take steps to 
> define free-roaming feral domestic cats as an
> unprotected species.
> 
> Even if the DNR did that, however, it would still take
> an act of the 
> Legislature to permit the hunting of cats. The whole
> process would 
> take at least two years. Here's how it could unfold:
> 
> If the people who attend the statewide meetings of the
> congress 
> approve the proposal this spring, it would have to go
> back to the 
> DNR, which could either drop the plan or send it back
> to the 2006 
> spring congress meetings for more input on whether
> feral cats should 
> be reclassified as unprotected or declared a nuisance,
> Oestreicher 
> explained.
> 
> If voters at the Conservation Congress meetings
> approved that, the 
> Natural Resources Board would still have to approve a
> rule-making 
> process that would involve public hearings. Following
> that, if the 
> Natural Resources Board approved the proposal, it
> would go before 
> the state Legislature for review.
> 
> So nothing immediate would happen. The earliest a
> change could occur 
> is 2007, if then.
> 
> "Once folks find out the complete information, they
> are much more 
> comfortable," Oestreicher said. "We are not asking for
> a hunting 
> season, merely seeking citizen input."
> 
> Oestreicher said he has been getting lots of e-mail on
> the subject 
> and had an interview scheduled with a Canadian radio
> station 
> Thursday afternoon.
> 
> "That poor guy in La Crosse is getting pounded," he
> said.
> 
> The proposal originated at last year's spring meeting
> in La Crosse 
> County, where it was proposed by Mark Smith and
> approved with a vote 
> of 54-1.The proposal had come up two or three years
> ago at one of 
> the county meetings around the state but was rejected.
> 
> April meetings: Normally, around 7,000 people
> statewide attend the 
> annual Wisconsin Conservation Congress meetings in
> every county, 
> Oestreicher said, though substantially more came out
> in 1999 and 
> 2000 when a mourning dove hunt was considered and
> approved.
> 
> "It would be great to have an attendance record this
> year," 
> Oestreicher said. "No other state has as much citizen
> input on 
> natural resource issues as Wisconsin. The Conservation
> Congress sees 
> to that."
> 
> In fact, another controversial proposal may draw
> record crowds this 
> spring. That question on the ballot asks whether
> Wisconsin should 
> lower its hunting age from 12 to 10.
> 
> The Humane Society of the United States has condemned
> a Wisconsin 
> proposal that could lead to the hunting of feral cats.
> 
> 
> Return to story 
>
> madison.com is operated by Capital Newspapers,
> publishers of the 
> Wisconsin State Journal, The Capital Times, Agri-View
> and Apartment 
> Showcase. All contents Copyright ©2005, Capital
> Newspapers. All 
> rights reserved. 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals









I am sorry, but I still can’t agree
with that – There was a situation where we had a total of over 50 feral cats
who were fed by someone – and the person died of cancer a few months ago,
but the rescue group I work with, no one had any intention of trapping and
killing them including myself because of it – as we knew how much these
cats lives meant to the person who died of cancer and she had contributed so
much to lives of all the feral cats in the city – so what we did was, we
trapped all of them (except a few that we couldn’t due to some stupid
mistakes we made) – and there were all taken by someone, and if not, have
been relocated to some place where someone else could take care of them –
there is always risk of re-locating feral and I don’t usually go for it –
but when there is no alternatives, re-locating them is a better choice than
killing them.  I feel that we humans
always have a choice to make, whether we are willing to make it or not –
we just simply do have a choice regardless of situations. I just simply can’t
agree to the belief that we have no choice, but to kill them – that’s
an arrogant thinking of our part – why not re-locate them and give them
another chance if they are healthy – just the thought breaks my heart –
and sometime I am sad that I am one of them – 

 

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On Behalf Of catatonya
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:10
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT:Tonya - killing
ferals

 



I just think we're talking about different
situations.  My Mamma Kitty I brought home from North Carolina last winter
was living with a feral colony.  The colony lives in the woods behind my
sister's neighborhood.  She feeds them, and we try to trap and spay what
we can. In the meantime we stay worried sick about them being killed by hawks
and coyotes, dogs, etc But we don't just trap them and euthanize
them.  We let them live out their lives.





 





Other instances are for example 45 cats found living
in an abandoned school bus where people had been feeding them and moved
away.  Property being cleared for new homes.  We have a few days to
relocate 45 ferals? Not likely.  A man dies leaving (we counted over 80)
sick, inbred, injured cats on his property.  Family wants them gone
yesterday, or they call animal control to trap and euthanize.  Where do we
relocate that many sick, injured cats?  Even the well ones.  It's
very hard to relocate a colony IF on the unlikely chance someone says they'll
take them if we spay/neuter them? 





 





A restaurant calls with 25 or so ferals living in the
dumpsters behind the shopping center.  We can get them out within a week
or they will poison them.





 





We do what we can do.  Sometimes trapping and
euthanizing is the only option we have.  Currently our humane society just
goes into Mobile Home parks and spays/neuters everything they can find. 
Whether they have homes or not, they leave them to live out their lives. 
We also have spay days where people who have ferals on their property can use
our traps and bring them to us to spay/neuter/release.  There are just
cases, though, where that won't work.





 





I don't think anyone enjoys 'playing God' with the
lives of these animals.  But we are basically put in that position and
just have to do the best we can.  I'm sure all of my cats would be
'happier' if I let them go outside.  But I don't, because I don't think
that's best for them.  That's playing "God" as well.  I'm
sure they'd rather have Fancy Feast every day too, but they don't get it. 
: )  I'm sure they'd rather not go to the vet, etc etc...





 





With children, of course, there is no option to 'kill'
them because they are abused, sick, or whatever.  I wish that were the
case for animals as well.  But it's not.  Every time we get an email
on the list from someone trying to place a sick cat or it will be euthanized
are we all guilty because we don't take it?  Aren't each of us making a
decision that the cat will have to die because we can't take it?





 





It would be nice to solve all the problems, but I
don't have the answers either.





 





t

Nina
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





Tonya,
What you went through with those dogs is heart wrenching! How awful for 
you and the dogs. I should have known there was a story like that 
behind your comments.

>> My opinion is sometimes trapping and euthanizing is the best we can 
do for them. And these are domestic animals, whether they be feral from 
the fault of humans or not, it's a hard life for the adults and horrible 
for the kittens. :(

While there may have been no alternative for those poor feral dogs, it's 
not the same for feral cats. Dogs pose a danger to the humans in their 
territory in a way cats never could. Wild cats are fringe dwellers, 
it's rare to even see a truly feral cat, let alone be threatened by 
one. They don't hunt in packs and don't pose a threa

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals




I agree with all you have said, Hideyo.  
Michelle

RE: Ginger - going off food again










Thank you, Kyle – I have bought them
a couple of times, and never made to Ginger’s room – as soon as I
put them on the kitchen counter,  my
other 20 plus cats in the house started ripping the bag and couldn’t give
it to Ginger – but I will definitely try it!  Thank you!

 

Hideyo

 

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From:
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Behalf Of Melbeach
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:12
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Subject: Re: Ginger - going off
food again

 



Hideyo,





 





Have you tried catnip? That always
gives my cats the munchies. I just dump it on a plate for them. After they roll
around on it for a few minutes, they always head right for the food dish.
Probably not as effective as the prescription stuff though. But they sure get a
kick out of it! I get the economy size at Petsmart. Cosmic Catnip and Whisker
City are good. I bought bulk catnip once from our local bulk herb shop and they
just turned their noses at it. Most of their herbs are wildcrafted. Sounds
cool. But I've learned for the most part, wildcrafted = not potent.





 





Sending prayers your way.





 





-Kyle





 







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From: Hideyo Yamamoto 





To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org






Sent: Monday,
March 14, 2005 3:46 PM





Subject: Ginger -
going off food again





 



Ginger sort of stopped eating and
have been force feeding her for the past couple of days – I need your
prayer and healing vibes again, you guys.

 

Also, I got back Ginger’s
blood work – all her organs seem to be fine, but her HCT was 26 (and it
was 28 back in October) – I was sad that it did not go up from the first
time I rescued her which was back in October. She looks so much better and
weighs better, but still anemic – I really hate this virus – 

 

Hideyo

OT: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post

This was on the news last night, and they need some help, if we all can crosspost as much as possible.
Thanks cherie
 
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Thanks 
Cherie. I didn't see that. 

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Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post
This was on the news last night, and they need some help, if we all can 
crosspost as much as possible.
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No prob, I think it is a great idea, there are real trees in the house and some of the cats will probally just end up living the rest of their days there, it is a wonderful idea to get cats off the streets.
Cherie
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Thanks Cherie. I didn't see that. 

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She
was going to take them to anti-cruelty, where I knew they would almost certainly
have been PTS (and now know they would definitely have done, because of their
being both feral and FELV, which we didn't know at the time). (The Tree House,
I'm sad to say, even if they had taken them, would not have kept them, because
of the FeLV. I was told by a friend who volunteers there that they put FeLV cats
to sleep.)
And
the rest is history!
Kerry

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No prob, I think it is a great idea, there are real trees in the house and
some of the cats will probally just end up living the rest of their days there,
it is a wonderful idea to get cats off the streets.
Cherie
"MacKenzie, Kerry N."
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Thanks Cherie. I didn't see that.

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2005-03-15 Thread Belinda Sauro

Nice place but I disagree with there views on FeLV.
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Re: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse -Kerry




Kerry, I was always wondering how you ended up with your ferals. But now I 
really don't understand why you call them "fosters." Are you looking for homes 
for them? I had thought you called them that because you took them in through a 
shelter, like I did with mine (I called mine "fosters" for a while too, because 
they technically were per my original agreement with the shelter, but that 
quickly changed).
Michelle

RE: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post

How can they do that and advertise that they are a NO KILL shelter, that enrages me.
Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Yes, it's such a fantastic place I agree.
I always go to their open house and buy my Xmas cards there, and when I used to have spare $$ it was the Tree House who got them.
That's how I got my brood, in fact---I went to the Tree House to buy Xmas cards and came away (over the next 2 months, anyway!) with 6 FeLV cats.
It was December 2003, and I was waiting for the volunteer on the desk to go find the cards, which I'd ordered ahead of time. It was a freezing night. I asked a young woman who had just walked in on my heels if she'd come to adopt a cat. No, she said; she'd come because she'd been feeding 7 cats in her yard since October, and now it was so bitterly cold she needed the Tree House to catch them and take them in.
Well, to make a long story short, not only could the Tree House not help her or take them inthey said they were at capacity, plus they didn't go out any more to trap catswe couldn't find any shelter in the city to take them.
She was going to take them to anti-cruelty, where I knew they would almost certainly have been PTS (and now know they would definitely have done, because of their being both feral and FELV, which we didn't know at the time). (The Tree House, I'm sad to say, even if they had taken them, would not have kept them, because of the FeLV. I was told by a friend who volunteers there that they put FeLV cats to sleep.)
And the rest is history!
Kerry

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No prob, I think it is a great idea, there are real trees in the house and some of the cats will probally just end up living the rest of their days there, it is a wonderful idea to get cats off the streets.
Cherie
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Thanks Cherie. I didn't see that.

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Re: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse -Kerry

I was a "foster mom" to two of mine also.
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kerry, I was always wondering how you ended up with your ferals. But now I really don't understand why you call them "fosters." Are you looking for homes for them? I had thought you called them that because you took them in through a shelter, like I did with mine (I called mine "fosters" for a while too, because they technically were per my original agreement with the shelter, but that quickly changed).
Michelle

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If I would have know that I would not have posted the page, I apologizeI too do not agree with "killing" any cats even sick ones.CherieBelinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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2005-03-15 Thread vwali1977


Hi everyone, I was just doing some research on Feline Leukemia, and found this website.  My cat, Maximus, is the best cat ever.  My boyfriend and I found him as a stray and took him in.  We brought him to the vet (after we fell in love with him), and they did the leukemia test, and it came back positive.  We were devastated.  So far he seems to be doing okay, but I get scared everyday that I'm going to come home from work and he's going to be sick.  He always sounds like he has a cold.  I don't know much about the disease, except that there is no cure.  He's not even two years old yet.  If anyone has any ideas on how I can make sure that he lives as much of a healthy life that he can, that would be great.  This is a great website.

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Welcome to the list. You will get a lot of emails. Someone put together a 
bunch of recommendations and made a little "FeLV primer," and someone else has 
an email with lots of food and supplement recommendations. I am sure they both 
will send them to you.  In general, make sure Maximus stays as stress-free 
as possible, avoid surgeries unless absolutely necessary, feed good quality 
foods (not the ones in supermarkets), feed immune support supplements daily, and 
learn about what illenesses can strike FeLV+ cats and what the treatments are so 
you will be prepared if it happens.  You will learn specifics on all of 
these from the aforementioned prefab emails you will probably be sent, and from 
the archived and ongoing posts.
Take care,
Michelle
 
In a message dated 3/15/05 2:18:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hi everyone, I was just doing some research on 
  Feline Leukemia, and found this website.  My cat, Maximus, is the best 
  cat ever.  My boyfriend and I found him as a stray and took him in.  
  We brought him to the vet (after we fell in love with him), and they did the 
  leukemia test, and it came back positive.  We were devastated.  So 
  far he seems to be doing okay, but I get scared everyday that I'm going to 
  come home from work and he's going to be sick.  He always sounds like he 
  has a cold.  I don't know much about the disease, except that there is no 
  cure.  He's not even two years old yet.  If anyone has any ideas on 
  how I can make sure that he lives as much of a healthy life that he can, that 
  would be great.  This is a great 
website.

Re: Message to post

Welcome,
Sorry you had to find us this way, but we are all here for each other with tons of support. My Amber Girl is positive and she sounds like she has a cold, you can always here her breathing, but that is ok she is still goodare you using Interferon for Maximus?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Welcome to the list. You will get a lot of emails. Someone put together a bunch of recommendations and made a little "FeLV primer," and someone else has an email with lots of food and supplement recommendations. I am sure they both will send them to you.  In general, make sure Maximus stays as stress-free as possible, avoid surgeries unless absolutely necessary, feed good quality foods (not the ones in supermarkets), feed immune support supplements daily, and learn about what illenesses can strike FeLV+ cats and what the treatments are so you will be prepared if it happens.  You will learn specifics on all of these from the aforementioned prefab emails you will probably be sent, and from the archived and ongoing posts.
Take care,
Michelle
 
In a message dated 3/15/05 2:18:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi everyone, I was just doing some research on Feline Leukemia, and found this website.  My cat, Maximus, is the best cat ever.  My boyfriend and I found him as a stray and took him in.  We brought him to the vet (after we fell in love with him), and they did the leukemia test, and it came back positive.  We were devastated.  So far he seems to be doing okay, but I get scared everyday that I'm going to come home from work and he's going to be sick.  He always sounds like he has a cold.  I don't know much about the disease, except that there is no cure.  He's not even two years old yet.  If anyone has any ideas on how I can make sure that he lives as much of a healthy life that he can, that would be great.  This is a great website.

For vwali: RE: Message to post

Title: Message

Hi,
and welcome, though I'm very sorry for the reason you had to find us. Maximus is
a lucky kitty to have found you and your boyfriend.
You
have definitely come to the right place---you'll get great advice AND moral
support. I was lucky enough to find this list a year ago, and I don't know what
I would have done without the incredibly helpful and specific advice, as well as
all the moral support, that I got from the kind, wise, seasoned members on the
list. They are a truly amazing group of individuals.
I'm
going to send you info on diet & supplements. Because much of it comes
from a wonderful book that I was referred to when I was still reeling from the
discovery that 5 of the 6 kitties I was in the process of taking in all had
FeLV, I'm sending it to your private email address to reduce the risk
of running into copyright issues.
There
are also 2 other books that are referred to a lot by members, which I don't
yet have, but I'll dig up the precise names and send those also to
you.
Welcome again to you and Maximus. I'll be in touch
again shortly.
Kerry

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On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005
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post

Hi everyone, I was just doing some research on
Feline Leukemia, and found this website. My cat, Maximus, is the best cat
ever. My boyfriend and I found him as a stray and took him in. We
brought him to the vet (after we fell in love with him), and they did the
leukemia test, and it came back positive. We were devastated. So far
he seems to be doing okay, but I get scared everyday that I'm going to come home
from work and he's going to be sick. He always sounds like he has a
cold. I don't know much about the disease, except that there is no
cure. He's not even two years old yet. If anyone has any ideas on
how I can make sure that he lives as much of a healthy life that he can, that
would be great. This is a great
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2005-03-15 Thread vwali1977


Thank you guys!  I have not tried any medicines on the cat, my doctor didn't recommend any.  What is Interferon?  And as for food, what do you suggest?  I'm feeding him Purina Indoor Formula Cat Chow.  The vet did say that he is slightly overweight, so he will be going on a diet soon.  Thanks again.  -Original Message-From: Cherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:25:23 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: Message to post



Welcome,
Sorry you had to find us this way, but we are all here for each other with tons of support. My Amber Girl is positive and she sounds like she has a cold, you can always here her breathing, but that is ok she is still goodare you using Interferon for Maximus?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Welcome to the list. You will get a lot of emails. Someone put together a bunch of recommendations and made a little "FeLV primer," and someone else has an email with lots of food and supplement recommendations. I am sure they both will send them to you.  In general, make sure Maximus stays as stress-free as possible, avoid surgeries unless absolutely necessary, feed good quality foods (not the ones in supermarkets), feed immune support supplements daily, and learn about what illenesses can strike FeLV+ cats and what the treatments are so you will be prepared if it happens.  You will learn specifics on all of these from the aforementioned prefab emails you will probably be sent, and from the archived and ongoing posts.
Take care,
Michelle
 
In a message dated 3/15/05 2:18:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi everyone, I was just doing some research on Feline Leukemia, and found this website.  My cat, Maximus, is the best cat ever.  My boyfriend and I found him as a stray and took him in.  We brought him to the vet (after we fell in love with him), and they did the leukemia test, and it came back positive.  We were devastated.  So far he seems to be doing okay, but I get scared everyday that I'm going to come home from work and he's going to be sick.  He always sounds like he has a cold.  I don't know much about the disease, except that there is no cure.  He's not even two years old yet.  If anyone has any ideas on how I can make sure that he lives as much of a healthy life that he can, that would be great.  This is a great website.

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2005-03-15 Thread Belinda Sauro

  Don't worry about alittle overweight the first thing when these guys 
get sick to happen is they lose weight.  My Bailey is a tiny bit pudgy 
and I prefer him that way.

--
Belinda
Happiness is being owned by cats ...
Be-Mi-Kitties ...
http://www.bemikitties.com
Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com
FeLV Candle Light Service
http://www.bemikitties.com/cls
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http://store.purrfectionstores.com/imsysu.html 
I use this a vitamin supplement.
 
Here is another article that has been posted on the list
http://www.emea.eu.int/vetdocs/PDFs/EPAR/virbagenomega/108501en6.pdf
 
I will get more for you soon
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Thank you guys!  I have not tried any medicines on the cat, my doctor didn't recommend any.  What is Interferon?  And as for food, what do you suggest?  I'm feeding him Purina Indoor Formula Cat Chow.  The vet did say that he is slightly overweight, so he will be going on a diet soon.  Thanks again.  -Original Message-From: Cherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:25:23 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: Message to post



Welcome,
Sorry you had to find us this way, but we are all here for each other with tons of support. My Amber Girl is positive and she sounds like she has a cold, you can always here her breathing, but that is ok she is still goodare you using Interferon for Maximus?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Welcome to the list. You will get a lot of emails. Someone put together a bunch of recommendations and made a little "FeLV primer," and someone else has an email with lots of food and supplement recommendations. I am sure they both will send them to you.  In general, make sure Maximus stays as stress-free as possible, avoid surgeries unless absolutely necessary, feed good quality foods (not the ones in supermarkets), feed immune support supplements daily, and learn about what illenesses can strike FeLV+ cats and what the treatments are so you will be prepared if it happens.  You will learn specifics on all of these from the aforementioned prefab emails you will probably be sent, and from the archived and ongoing posts.
Take care,
Michelle
 
In a message dated 3/15/05 2:18:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi everyone, I was just doing some research on Feline Leukemia, and found this website.  My cat, Maximus, is the best cat ever.  My boyfriend and I found him as a stray and took him in.  We brought him to the vet (after we fell in love with him), and they did the leukemia test, and it came back positive.  We were devastated.  So far he seems to be doing okay, but I get scared everyday that I'm going to come home from work and he's going to be sick.  He always sounds like he has a cold.  I don't know much about the disease, except that there is no cure.  He's not even two years old yet.  If anyone has any ideas on how I can make sure that he lives as much of a healthy life that he can, that would be great.  This is a great website.

RE: Message to post

Title: Message



I just 
sent diet suggestions to your aol address. Would you mind please 
confirming when you get it.
Don't 
concern yourself with putting Maximus on a diet. Be glad he enjoys his 
food!
(One 
of the biggest problems many of us unfortunately encounter at some point in our 
FeLv kitties is lack of interest in eating.)
One 
more thing: you will find that many members' advice is better than many vets' 
advice, as many--probably most---vets unfortunately don't know much about 
FeLV.
take 
care, Kerry

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On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 
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to post


Thank you guys!  I have not tried any medicines on the cat, 
my doctor didn't recommend any.  What is Interferon?  And as for food, 
what do you suggest?  I'm feeding him Purina Indoor Formula Cat 
Chow.  The vet did say that he is slightly overweight, so he will 
be going on a diet soon.  Thanks 
again.  -Original Message-From: Cherie A Gabbert 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Tue, 
15 Mar 2005 11:25:23 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: Message to post



Welcome,
Sorry you had to find us this way, but we are all here for each other with 
tons of support. My Amber Girl is positive and she sounds like she has a cold, 
you can always here her breathing, but that is ok she is still goodare you 
using Interferon for Maximus?[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
  Welcome to the list. You will get a lot of emails. Someone put together a 
  bunch of recommendations and made a little "FeLV primer," and someone else has 
  an email with lots of food and supplement recommendations. I am sure they both 
  will send them to you.  In general, make sure Maximus stays as 
  stress-free as possible, avoid surgeries unless absolutely necessary, feed 
  good quality foods (not the ones in supermarkets), feed immune support 
  supplements daily, and learn about what illenesses can strike FeLV+ cats and 
  what the treatments are so you will be prepared if it happens.  You will 
  learn specifics on all of these from the aforementioned prefab emails you will 
  probably be sent, and from the archived and ongoing posts.
  Take care,
  Michelle
   
  In a message dated 3/15/05 2:18:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Hi everyone, I was just doing some research on 
Feline Leukemia, and found this website.  My cat, Maximus, is the best 
cat ever.  My boyfriend and I found him as a stray and took him 
in.  We brought him to the vet (after we fell in love with him), and 
they did the leukemia test, and it came back positive.  We were 
devastated.  So far he seems to be doing okay, but I get scared 
everyday that I'm going to come home from work and he's going to be 
sick.  He always sounds like he has a cold.  I don't know much 
about the disease, except that there is no cure.  He's not even two 
years old yet.  If anyone has any ideas on how I can make sure that he 
lives as much of a healthy life that he can, that would be great.  This 
is a great website.
  
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Re: [kittycityrescue] 2 Feline Leuk + cats - looking for long term foster

2005-03-15 Thread Skf95111

Dear Tad:

No, the FeLV vaccine will not cause cats to test positive on an ELISA...both 
the  ELISA and IFA test for presence of antigen from replicating virus, with 
the former test being 100 times more sensitive than the latter so it will 
detect very early stages of infection which may be transient, as well as the 
later 
stages.  An IFA+ is consistent with stage 4-6 of infection.

Vaccinating a cat who has a latent infection can trigger such an infection 
into an active one.

It is more likely that a "faint" positive indicates exposure/very early stage 
of infection and there is a good chance these kittys could clear the virus if 
they are put on a healthy diet and given immune support.  An IFA test done at 
this point, if it were negative, could confirm this.  An IFA positive would 
indicate the cats are at least at stage 4 of infection and if it is very early 
stage 4, the cats could still have a chance to seroconvert, but this would be 
less likely.  An IFA positive is more likely to indicate a cat will remain 
persistently viremic.

Sally in San Jose

OT: Email Problems

2005-03-15 Thread Belinda Sauro

Hi,
I'm still struggling with all the bouncing emails and am getting about
2000 to 4000, EVERY hour.  I also have about 45,000 in the
old.messages folder, not to mention my trash folder is huge also. It
is a never ending battle, I'm spending my whole day just trying to
stay on top of  the email situation and getting nothing else done.  The 
old.messages are ones from last week and earlier this week.  I'm going to have 
my server delete them so if you sent me anything in the last week and have not 
heard from me you'll need to resend it.
I spent 10 hours yesterday deleting messages out of the old.mesage folder and 
got it from 69,000 messages down to 46,000, at that rate it will take 5 more 
days to go through them and doing nothing else, I can't afford to get 5 days 
behind in everything else so I am having them deleted.  While I was deleting 
those, I also had to try and keep up with incoming mail at the tune of 3 to 
4000 and hour.  This morning at 4AM I woke up to 12,000 emails in my inbox, it 
is now 9:30 AM and I finally got down to nothing, five hours of email checking. 
 And it is about time for the flood to start again, and I have a good week or 
longer to deal with incoming before all of the 6 or 7 days worth that went out 
are finally through bouncing.
So please if you sent me any thing or ever do in the future and DO NOT hear 
from me in a week (I ALWAYS acknowledge emails, even if only to say I haven't 
had a chance to get to whatever it may be), send it again, I didn't get it if I 
didn't acknowledge it.
God I hate emails right now :))
--
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Re: OT: Email Problems

We all understand and regrettfully some of us have been in your shoes...good luck ;-))
CherieBelinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,I'm still struggling with all the bouncing emails and am getting about2000 to 4000, EVERY hour. I also have about 45,000 in theold.messages folder, not to mention my trash folder is huge also. Itis a never ending battle, I'm spending my whole day just trying tostay on top of the email situation and getting nothing else done. The old.messages are ones from last week and earlier this week. I'm going to have my server delete them so if you sent me anything in the last week and have not heard from me you'll need to resend it.I spent 10 hours yesterday deleting messages out of the old.mesage folder and got it from 69,000 messages down to 46,000, at that rate it will take 5 more days to go through them and doing nothing else, I can't afford to get 5 days behind in everything else so I am having them deleted. While I was deleting those, I also had to try and
 keep up with incoming mail at the tune of 3 to 4000 and hour. This morning at 4AM I woke up to 12,000 emails in my inbox, it is now 9:30 AM and I finally got down to nothing, five hours of email checking. And it is about time for the flood to start again, and I have a good week or longer to deal with incoming before all of the 6 or 7 days worth that went out are finally through bouncing.So please if you sent me any thing or ever do in the future and DO NOT hear from me in a week (I ALWAYS acknowledge emails, even if only to say I haven't had a chance to get to whatever it may be), send it again, I didn't get it if I didn't acknowledge it.God I hate emails right now :))-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable
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Re: Message to post





I agree.  I am happy when my positives are a little overweight.  
It gives them some reserves if they stop eating when they get sick (force 
feeding and apptetite stimulants, while necessary and helpful, do not 
totally prevent weight loss when they are sick).
Michelle
 
In a message dated 3/15/05 2:50:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   Don't worry about alittle overweight the first thing when 
  these guys get sick to happen is they lose weight.  My Bailey is a 
  tiny bit pudgy and I prefer him that way.--

for Michelle--the reason they are still "foster" cats

Title: Message

Thanks for asking, Michelle. I should first
clarify that the shelter (Tree House) wanted, and had, nothing to do with
the cats :>(.
They'd had 16 kittens left on their doorstep
the previous night, and there already was NO room at the inn.
So the only relevance the Tree House has in
their history is that I happened to strike up a conversation with the
"rescuer" on the Tree House premises. Knowing these cats were
living in the open during a Chicago winter, there was no way in the world I
could walk away from them. The idea of these poor little mites trying to survive
in sub-zero temps was heart-breaking. (Well, you guys sure know how that story
goes.)
I
trawled the shelters as fast as I could (because the rescuer was going to take
them to Anti-Cruelty) and finally PAWS said that while they would not
take them they would spay and neuter them and put them on their web site for
adoption, and deal with the adoption side of things, as long as I "fostered"
them.
I figured I could do that--seemed pretty
straighforward, ignorance is bliss: I look after them, they look for adopters,
and hey presto the kitties have nice new homes!
As if it isn't hard enough to find good
homes, it soon came to light that they were both feral and FeLV. (I thought
until then that feral just meant "stray"---just finding out about traps and learning how they work
lost valuable time.)
AnywayI have always wanted to find them
homes, where they can run around instead of being confined to one room as they
are now, but I don't feel they stand a chance while they're feral as well as
FeLV.
So, I've been (unsuccessfully so far) trying
to tame the little scamps. I figured that
if they were at least cuddle-able, there was a chance some good souls would give
them a proper home.
I know I also need to be able to post
pix and bios, and that's something I don't have the capability of doing
yet, but was working towards until my laptop broke down last week! (Ever feel
like you're wading thro molasses?!)
It breaks my heart having them confined to
one room, but I can't bring myself to risk my healthy cats contracting the
disease. It's a conflict that I wrestle with every day.
The
other important factor in the "foster" moniker is that there's a 50/50 chance I
will have to relocate to the UK in the foreseeable future, and legally I would
not be able to take the FeLV kitties.
If I can find homes for them, I would like
to continue to foster FeLV kitties---but officially through a shelter, not on
the present basis---while I'm still in the US. (And of course, wherever I
am.)
Hope that clarifies things!
And if anyone has any ideas on my finding
homes please let me have them!
Kerry

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 15,
2005 1:14 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re:
Chicagoland's Cat treehouse -Kerry
Kerry, I was always wondering how you ended up with your ferals. But now I
really don't understand why you call them "fosters." Are you looking for homes
for them? I had thought you called them that because you took them in through a
shelter, like I did with mine (I called mine "fosters" for a while too, because
they technically were per my original agreement with the shelter, but that
quickly changed).
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RE: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post

Title: Message

Yes,
you're right Cherie.
I
don't have any spare $$$ anyway these days but I decided that when I do it
will go to a FeLV shelter in future.
I
can't be totally anti them, because they do so much for injured and (other) sick
cats.

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005
1:15 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE:
Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post
How can they do that and advertise that they are a NO KILL shelter, that
enrages me.
Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well, to make a long story short, not only could the Tree House
not help her or take them inthey said they were at capacity, plus they
didn't go out any more to trap catswe couldn't find any shelter in the
city to take them.
She
was going to take them to anti-cruelty, where I knew they would almost
certainly have been PTS (and now know they would definitely have done, because
of their being both feral and FELV, which we didn't know at the time). (The
Tree House, I'm sad to say, even if they had taken them, would not have kept
them, because of the FeLV. I was told by a friend who volunteers there that
they put FeLV cats to sleep.)
And
the rest is history!
Kerry

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A
GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:35 PMTo:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse
- Please cross post
No prob, I think it is a great idea, there are real trees in the house
and some of the cats will probally just end up living the rest of their days
there, it is a wonderful idea to get cats off the streets.
Cherie
"MacKenzie, Kerry N."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks Cherie. I didn't see that.

-Original Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A
GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:26 PMTo:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: Chicagoland's Cat
treehouse - Please cross post
This was on the news last night, and they need some help, if we all can
crosspost as much as possible.
Thanks cherie
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Re: for Michelle--the reason they are still "foster" cats

2005-03-15 Thread Nina

Kerry,
You had told me some of the story before, but not all.  Thanks for the 
in depth description of how you came to have them in your life.  Seems 
to me they were put in your path for good reason.  I'm glad for them and 
glad for us, because we certainly never would have crossed paths if not 
for them!  I've been wondering how you were doing with helping them to 
learn to trust you.  I haven't heard from you in a while about it, so I 
assumed you just hadn't had the time to try and socialize them.  Do you 
have any time off from work due you?  Some concentrated time at home 
would probably work wonders.  Have you ever tried separating them to 
work with them one on one? 
Nina

MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:
Thanks for asking, Michelle. I should first clarify that the shelter 
(Tree House) wanted, and had, nothing to do with the cats :>(.
They'd had 16 kittens left on their doorstep the previous night, and 
there already was NO room at the inn.
So the only relevance the Tree House has in their history is that I 
happened to strike up a conversation with the "rescuer" on the Tree 
House premises. Knowing these cats were living in the open during a 
Chicago winter, there was no way in the world I could walk away from 
them. The idea of these poor little mites trying to survive in 
sub-zero temps was heart-breaking. (Well, you guys sure know how that 
story goes.)
I trawled the shelters as fast as I could (because the rescuer was 
going to take them to Anti-Cruelty) and finally PAWS said that while 
they would not take them they would spay and neuter them and put them 
on their web site for adoption, and deal with the adoption side of 
things, as long as I "fostered" them. 
I figured I could do that--seemed pretty straighforward, ignorance is 
bliss: I look after them, they look for adopters, and hey presto the 
kitties have nice new homes!
As if it isn't hard enough to find good homes, it soon came to light 
that they were both feral and FeLV. (I thought until then that feral 
just meant "stray"---just finding out about traps and learning how 
they work lost valuable time.)
AnywayI have always wanted to find them homes, where they can run 
around instead of being confined to one room as they are now, but I 
don't feel they stand a chance while they're feral as well as FeLV.
So, I've been (unsuccessfully so far) trying to tame the little 
scamps. I figured that if they were at least cuddle-able, there was a 
chance some good souls would give them a proper home.
I know I also need to be able to post pix and bios, and that's 
something I don't have the capability of doing yet, but was working 
towards until my laptop broke down last week! (Ever feel like you're 
wading thro molasses?!)
It breaks my heart having them confined to one room, but I can't bring 
myself to risk my healthy cats contracting the disease. It's a 
conflict that I wrestle with every day.
The other important factor in the "foster" moniker is that there's a 
50/50 chance I will have to relocate to the UK in the foreseeable 
future, and legally I would not be able to take the FeLV kitties.
If I can find homes for them, I would like to continue to foster FeLV 
kitties---but officially through a shelter, not on the present 
basis---while I'm still in the US. (And of course, wherever I am.)
Hope that clarifies things!
And if anyone has any ideas on my finding homes please let me have them!
Kerry
 
 
 
-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:14 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse -Kerry

Kerry, I was always wondering how you ended up with your ferals. But 
now I really don't understand why you call them "fosters." Are you 
looking for homes for them? I had thought you called them that because 
you took them in through a shelter, like I did with mine (I called 
mine "fosters" for a while too, because they technically were per my 
original agreement with the shelter, but that quickly changed).
Michelle
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RE: Message to post

2005-03-15 Thread Steve Williams




Amen waiting for almost 10 month Loki to 
beef up!  He's a fine figure of a young man for his age, but I would love 
for him to be one fat cat! :-)
 
Steve

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 
  Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:19 PMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  
  I agree.  I am happy when my positives are a little 
  overweight.  It gives them some reserves if they stop eating when they 
  get sick (force feeding and apptetite stimulants, while necessary and 
  helpful, do not totally prevent weight loss when they are sick).
  Michelle
   
  In a message dated 3/15/05 2:50:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
     Don't worry 
about alittle overweight the first thing when these guys get sick to 
happen is they lose weight.  My Bailey is a tiny bit pudgy and I 
prefer him that way.--

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-15 Thread tamara stickler

Hideyo, 
 
I believe you interpreted Squeekie's eye contact conversation correctly.  No its not silly.  Animals are smarter than most give them credit for, and unlike humans, animals are not quick to forget a kindness.  Next time you see her, talk to her softly...use the slow blink that cats often use to say 'hi", and play it by heart.
 
I am curious what you plan to do with her should you manage to catch her again?  Just worried that if your neighbor sees her out again...she might be caught and released yet again.Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:









Thanks for the tip, Tamara.  Actually, I was thinking of a dog trap that I have,  as you said (and you are right), she is more cautious now  
Right now, there is a normal cat trap with the food but not set (left open with the bungee code) so that she can get used to eat in there  but there are other cats who eat there, I am thinking of using a dog trap which is much bigger, and I need to manually manipulate the swing door of the trap using a long long rope so that I can close it from a distance when I see her go and eat  
 
After she ate last night (and I am hoping that it is her, since there is another cat look like her that eats there)  she saw me and we had an eye contact for about 15 seconds or so  everything stopped for the moment as if she was saying to me, are you here to save my life???  something about the way she looked at me, I felt that (silly, huh?)  she did not run right away, but continued to look at me  maybe she remembered me as I took care of her and her siblings when the owner was out of town for a while  
 
She used to sleep under the bed in my friends house, now she doesnt even know where she is supposed to sleep and it breaks my heart to think about it  please continue to pray that I will be re-united with her very very soon, you guys!
 
Thank you very much,
 
Hideyo
 
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:08 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals
 

God bless ya Hideyo...I'll keep  you both in my prayers!  (Tip: Squeekie might be extremely cautious of closed in spaces and be very hard to trap now.  Try, if you can, a small dog crate...pref. black bars...put grass or leaves or debris of some such in the bottom so it smells the same as the area on which it sitsfeed her in there for several days without trying to catch her...once she becomes comfortable eating in there...swing the door closed and off you can go!  You can find these crate at PetSmart for $45 or at the local humane society...they are often left behind with dogs are turned over...Good luck!  Keep us informed!)"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

I said it before and I'll say it again, Hideyo: you're an angel. you really are. You're those kitties' guardian angel. Sending positive vibes that you find Squeekie, and you find her soon~~Kerry
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals
I have to definitely agree with Nina.
We, humans are the most powerful creature on earth, and can be the most egotistical and arrogant one, too by abusing the power we have over smaller (physically) creatures.  In my mind, our lives are not any more important than any other creatures on earth.  We have no right to end any creatures life before their time come  we are supposed to protect lives of creatures who need us  but not to kill it. 
 
I have a neighbor who eventually became a friend overtime as we happened to have the same interest  which is to rescue feral cats.  She moved from one side of town to the other about 9 months ago and I eventually helped her move all of her feral cats she used to feed at her old house to her new home. Before I agreed to help her, I did warn her that she was about to change their lives, and they may not be necessary asking for the change or may not wanting the change (regardless of her good intensions), but as long as she does so (regardless thats what they want or not), I would like her to make sure that she has a responsibility to take care of their lives for the rest of their lives.  And she said, yes, and so, I helped her move all the cats and helped
 them get socialized  
 
She did not do everything as I had asked her to do, and she lost one of 10 cats in two days  I had asked her to keep these cats in a cage for at least week so that they can feel safe in their sanctuary and can get used to smell of the new house and feel secure again.  But she got stressed out by one of the cats who was making a noise and she opened the cage and let the cat go outside  of course, the cat (Snoodle) had no idea where she was and never came back or seen.   I put the flyers all over the neighborhood and tried to find her (the owner was no

OT: New addition

Hi all,
Last week this time I picked up a kitty that was willed to my rescue that another Humane Society had delivered to me. They drove over 3 hours to get her to me.
Never had one this old willed to me before. The person was put into a nursing home and passed on. This kitty I swear maybe had a few days of life in her...now she is progressing well...Amazing!
Anyway, the kitty is negative on the Felv/Fiv test
(they tested her).
She is a 15 yr old Spayed female Siamese purebred. She was extremely underweight she is a large boned kitty and has big feet. She could very easily weigh when healthy 14-15 pounds but she is lucky if she weighs 5-6 pounds at the time of arrival. Very nice personality gets along with my others.
I have been feeding her alot of different dryfoods because I free feed my kitties. Been giving her extra wetfood as well. She has gain almost a pound since being here. Fur is getting soft. She had diarrhea the first 2 days, now that is gone stools are solid and normal...YAY!
Is there something else that I can give her to help boost her system? Like supplements or something?
She will be pampered by my husband and I for the rest of her life. Last night she purred for the first time since being here. She is such a sweetie too...By the way she does sleep with us and the other kitties on our bed.
THANK GOD it's a King Size bed!
I'm open for any suggestions...thanks!
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Re: OT: New addition

2005-03-15 Thread Barb Moermond

The only thing I remember for older kitties (and people) is B12. Remember Jamie's family cat that was older than she was? That's the only special thing they did for her.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

RE: New addition

Title: Message

I've got tears in my eyes. That's fabulous,
Terrie. I wish you, your husband and Kitty (have you named her yet) many
happy years together.
Kerry

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005
4:21 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: New
addition
Hi all,
Last week this
time I picked up a kitty that was willed to my rescue that another Humane
Society had delivered to me. They drove over 3 hours to get her to
me.
Never had one this old willed to
me before. The person was put into a nursing home and passed on. This kitty I
swear maybe had a few days of life in her...now she is progressing
well...Amazing!
Anyway, the kitty is
negative on the Felv/Fiv test
(they tested her).

She is a 15 yr old Spayed female
Siamese purebred. She was extremely underweight she is a large
boned kitty and has big feet. She could very easily weigh when healthy
14-15 pounds but she is lucky if she weighs 5-6 pounds at the time of arrival.
Very nice personality gets along with my others.
I have been feeding her alot of
different dryfoods because I free feed my kitties. Been giving her extra wetfood
as well. She has gain almost a pound since being here. Fur is getting soft. She
had diarrhea the first 2 days, now that is gone stools are solid and
normal...YAY!
Is there something else that I can
give her to help boost her system? Like supplements or
something?
She will be pampered by my husband
and I for the rest of her life. Last night she purred for the first time since
being here. She is such a sweetie too...By the way she does sleep with us and
the other kitties on our bed.
THANK GOD it's a King Size
bed!
I'm open for any
suggestions...thanks!
Terrie
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Re: OT: New addition

How about Ensurecongratulations though on your new addition, she will be very happy with her new family ;-))
Cherie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: OT: New addition





Oh yeah that's right...wonder how Jaime is doing these days? Has anyone heard from her?
 
In a message dated 3/15/2005 2:34:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The only thing I remember for older kitties (and people) is B12.  Remember Jamie's family cat that was older than she was?  That's the only special thing they did for her.

 
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Re: New addition





Kerry,
    Well, at least they did get the kitty's name. We decided to keep it that way. Her name is Ling...
Thank you...we hope she has many with us too!
 
In a message dated 3/15/2005 2:35:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I've got tears in my eyes. That's fabulous, Terrie. I wish you, your husband and Kitty (have you named her yet) many happy years together. 
Kerry

 
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Re: OT: New addition

2005-03-15 Thread Nina





Terrie,
That's wonderful about Ling adjusting.  Do you think she was so
underweight because her human was taken away from her?  Thank goodness
she's found herself in such a loving home.  You could try Nutrical,
(it's for underweight kitties to help them gain energy and nutrients). 
Also, I haven't tried it myself yet, but what about Petinic (sp?).  It
was suggested by my GP vet as an overall supplement and I've heard
others on the list talk about it.  B12 does sound like a good idea, but
I don't think I'd subject her to injections so soon after the
transition, especially since she's beginning to trust you.  I don't
know if it's worth taking the chance of setting her back and making her
suspicious of you.  I've given sublingual B12, but have been told it's
not effective that way.  I'm betting if you offer her yummy stuff
whenever you catch her looking at you, she'll soon fatten up.  God
bless you and your whole tribe!
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  Hi all,
      Last week this
time I picked up a kitty that was willed to my rescue that another
Humane Society had delivered to me.  They drove over 3 hours to get her
to me.
  Never had one this
old willed to me before. The person was put into a nursing home and
passed on. This kitty I swear maybe had a few days of life in her...now
she is progressing well...Amazing!
  Anyway, the kitty
is negative on the Felv/Fiv test
  (they tested her). 
  She is a 15 yr old
Spayed female Siamese purebred. She was extremely underweight she is
a large boned kitty and has big feet. She could very easily weigh when
healthy 14-15 pounds but she is lucky if she weighs 5-6 pounds at the
time of arrival. Very nice personality gets along with my others.
  I have been feeding
her alot of different dryfoods because I free feed my kitties. Been
giving her extra wetfood as well. She has gain almost a pound since
being here. Fur is getting soft. She had diarrhea the first 2 days, now
that is gone stools are solid and normal...YAY!
  Is there something
else that I can give her to help boost her system? Like supplements or
something?
  She will be
pampered by my husband and I for the rest of her life. Last night she
purred for the first time since being here. She is such a sweetie
too...By the way she does sleep with us and the other kitties on our
bed. 
  THANK GOD it's a
King Size bed!
  I'm open for any
suggestions...thanks!
   
  
  
  
Terrie Mohr
  
  Check site for available Siameses for
adoption!
  
  http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYS
  
  https://www.paypal.com/
  TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
  
  
  http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/
  
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue
  
  http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html
  
  http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html
  
TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
Owner/Driver
  
Petfinder.com
Adopt a Homeless Pet!
  
  http://www.petfinder.com/
  
  http://www.orecatay.com/
  
  http://www.awca.net/index.htm
  http://www.felineleukemia.org/
  http://www.petloss.com/
  http://www.meezer.com/
  
  http://thesiamesestore.com/
  
  http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.html
  
  http://ca.siameserescue.org/
  
  http://co.siameserescue.org/
  
  http://va.siameserescue.org/
  
  
  
  
  
  



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RE: Squeekie









 

Tamara, you made me feel
much better – I will certainly do so when I see her again, and hopefully
very soon!

Yeah, it was a bit
surprising to me, she stared me for about 15 sec. from a distance, and she ran,
and stopped, and she looked at me again for about 15 sec. or so, and ran again,
and stopped and turned around towards me and looked at me again and finally
went to someone’s yard.  From
what the tenants and the owner described how she reacted when she saw them, she
just ran away as quickly as she could without stopping at all.  There was definitly something between
Squeekie and me, I hope.  I
certainly hope that we are right.

 

The owner knows that I am
in the process of catching her again, and she is definitely ok with it.

I am probably going to
keep her with me – I will not be able to release her to wild after what
happened to her.  I know that she is
always going to be skittish and I may not be able to pet her – but again,
that’s how a half of my cats behave – I try to socialize them
slowly – some of them, I can now pet them gently after three or four
years later, and others, I might never be able to – but that’s ok
– I know they like being where they are – I just know that they are
comfortable and happy (exception of a few fights among some) –

Tamara – please pray
that I will be able to catch Squeekie very soon – it hurts me to think
that she is out there (we had a few inches of snow during the last a day two)

.

I am planning to stake
out again during the daytime tomorrow to see if I can catch her – I took
a day off from work – I hope I will see her and trap her then.

 

Thank you,

 

Hugs,

 

Hideyo

 

 

-Original
Message-
From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Tuesday, March 15,
 2005 3:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: OT:Tonya - killing
ferals

 



Hideyo, 





 





I believe you interpreted
Squeekie's eye contact conversation correctly.  No its not silly. 
Animals are smarter than most give them credit for, and unlike humans, animals
are not quick to forget a kindness.  Next time you see her, talk to her
softly...use the slow blink that cats often use to say 'hi", and play it
by heart.





 





I am curious what you
plan to do with her should you manage to catch her again?  Just worried that if your neighbor sees her out again...she might
be caught and released yet again.

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-15 Thread catatonya

Thanks, but I'm certainly no hero.  I do think if I'd had someone to video the fool (me) running from the pack of dogs I could make a lot of money. lol. Sometimes I'd just throw the bag of food out the window, but I was trying to 'tame' them, so usually I'd try to approach them when there would only be a few around.  I'd get out in the middle of 'no man's land' though and then they would come out of the woodwork.  I'd run a little and then turn around and 'face them off'.  I think they knew I was there to feed them and wouldn't really hurt me.  I don't know.  It ended very sadly though except for the two I still have.  Finally the county marshall's office sent me a letter that I would be arrested if I interfered with their trapping anymore or fed them.  I still did it until I realized I wasn't making headway and the females were pregnant again. 
 
One was obviously a stray, not feral.  She must have been abused or something though, because she still does not trust me except to pet her a little.  The other one I have is a smaller dog that I got by 'accident' thinking I was getting one of her puppies.  I checked the shelter every day to see who had been trapped and got the stray and the 'accident'.  She is totally feral.  She likes to 'play' by running around me in circles and barking, etc but will not let me touch her at all.  I had to sign all kinds of waivers to get these 'vicious' dogs.  Obviously I'm still alive so I don't think they're too vicious.  A friend of mine and I were able to get 2 litters of puppies out in time to socialize them and get them good homes.
 
What's very strange about these dogs is that the times I've had to trap them to vet them they just totally freeze they are so afraid.  When I had them in carriers I was able to pet them, but they were shaking and so afraid it was pitiful.  I was very afraid they would try to bite or be aggressive. It's so hard to catch them I've only done it twice with Amy and once with Little Sh*t.  This summer it's got to be done though, because the vet said she'd go 3 years because of how they are with the heartworm med.s.
 
Most people think it's ridiculous that I've spent so much money (fenced the yard, bought a smaller pen to confine for heartworm treatments, etc) for 2 dogs I can't even touch.  And I wonder what kind of 'quality' of life they really have they won't come in the house and I'm constantly worried about them out in the weather.  Of course they won't use their doghouses or go under my house crawlspace.  They just lay out in the rain!  So sometimes I do wonder about the decision to 'keep them' instead of letting them be euthanized with the others...  But they do seem 'happy' when I come home from work and sit outside with them etc... Who knows?
 
t"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Tonya, just wanted to add to Nina's comment re e.g. the dogs you workedwith for all that time--you're a heroine. Tireless efforts such as yours, at no small risk to life and limb, arethe true and original definition of 'heroine' (and not the silly deedsyou so often hear the word applied to these days). More power to you.Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:45 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT:Tonya - killing feralsI'm sorry; one more thing that occurs to me that might help change your mind after all. It seems to me, that killing animals because of the suffering they may endure later is akin to how most people/vets feel about immediately euthanizing FeLV/FIV positive cats. While
 ferals don't have caregivers to ensure the best quality of life, they still deserve to live it.I'm going to try and shut up now.NinaNina wrote:> Tonya,> What you went through with those dogs is heart wrenching! How awful > for you and the dogs. I should have known there was a story like that> behind your comments.>> >> My opinion is sometimes trapping and euthanizing is the best we can> do for them. And these are domestic animals, whether they be feral > from the fault of humans or not, it's a hard life for the adults and > horrible for the kittens. :(>> While there may have been no alternative for those poor feral dogs, > it's not the same for feral cats. Dogs pose a danger to the humans in> their territory in a way cats never could. Wild cats are fringe > dwellers, it's rare to even see a truly feral cat, let alone be >
 threatened by one. They don't hunt in packs and don't pose a threat > to humans or domestic pets, (unless of course they are disease ridden,

RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-15 Thread catatonya

Hi Hideyo,
 
I don't know your situation, but where I live there is nowhere to relocate that many cats. The area is fast growing, and every square inch of land is being used to build more houses, more houses, more houses.  Everyone I know in rescue is up to their eyeballs and financially to their limit with cats.  Our shelter puts down hundreds of adoptable cats and kittens a year .
 
We have had 3 instances of around 100 cats (each!) being confiscated here in GA in just the past month.  In one case a 'foster/rescue' person left the country and left around 145 cats in her house.  When the neighbors noticed the smell and called the police only around 25 cats were still alive.  The cats had starved.  And this was in an affluent suburb of Atlanta.  The rural areas are even worse.  (They did arrest the lady just last week.)  But we have many situations where someone tries to help and ends up in these kinds of situations ON TOP of the thousands that go through the shelters and rescues.  ON TOP of the ferals...There's only so much you can do.
 
But I'm ending this thread.  I wish those of you that can relocate and maintain that many ferals would move down here!  : )
 
tHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







I am sorry, but I still cant agree with that  There was a situation where we had a total of over 50 feral cats who were fed by someone  and the person died of cancer a few months ago, but the rescue group I work with, no one had any intention of trapping and killing them including myself because of it  as we knew how much these cats lives meant to the person who died of cancer and she had contributed so much to lives of all the feral cats in the city  so what we did was, we trapped all of them (except a few that we couldnt due to some stupid mistakes we made)  and there were all taken by someone, and if not, have been relocated to some place where someone else could take care of them  there is always risk of re-locating feral and I dont usually go for it  but when there is no alternatives, re-locating them is a better choice than killing them.  I feel that we humans always have a choice to make, whether we are willing to make it or not  we just simply do have a choice regardless of situations. I just simply cant agree to the belief that we have no choice, but to kill them  thats an arrogant thinking of our part  why not re-locate them and give them another chance if they are healthy  just the thought breaks my heart  and sometime I am sad that I am one of them  
 
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:10 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals
 

I just think we're talking about different situations.  My Mamma Kitty I brought home from North Carolina last winter was living with a feral colony.  The colony lives in the woods behind my sister's neighborhood.  She feeds them, and we try to trap and spay what we can. In the meantime we stay worried sick about them being killed by hawks and coyotes, dogs, etc But we don't just trap them and euthanize them.  We let them live out their lives.

 

Other instances are for example 45 cats found living in an abandoned school bus where people had been feeding them and moved away.  Property being cleared for new homes.  We have a few days to relocate 45 ferals? Not likely.  A man dies leaving (we counted over 80) sick, inbred, injured cats on his property.  Family wants them gone yesterday, or they call animal control to trap and euthanize.  Where do we relocate that many sick, injured cats?  Even the well ones.  It's very hard to relocate a colony IF on the unlikely chance someone says they'll take them if we spay/neuter them? 

 

A restaurant calls with 25 or so ferals living in the dumpsters behind the shopping center.  We can get them out within a week or they will poison them.

 

We do what we can do.  Sometimes trapping and euthanizing is the only option we have.  Currently our humane society just goes into Mobile Home parks and spays/neuters everything they can find.  Whether they have homes or not, they leave them to live out their lives.  We also have spay days where people who have ferals on their property can use our traps and bring them to us to spay/neuter/release.  There are just cases, though, where that won't work.

 

I don't think anyone enjoys 'playing God' with the lives of these animals.  But we are basically put in that position and just have to do the best we can.  I'm sure all of my cats would be 'happier' if I let them go outside.  But I don't, because I don't think that's best for them.  That's playing "God" as well.  I'm sure they'd rather have Fancy Feast every day too, but they don't get it.  : )  I'm sure they'd rather not go to the vet, etc etc...

 

With children, of course, there is no option to 'kill' them because they are abused, sick, or whatever.  I wish that

Re: raising kittens???

2005-03-15 Thread Wheezercat42




That's good news about the babies.  Weaning is frustrating, but they 
can go from not having a clue to scarfing out of a dish in a couple of 
days.  Have fun with them!  This time goes so fast.
 
Where there's Life, there's HopeKathy"There is nothing so strong as gentleness, 
and there is nothing so gentle as real strength." ~ Sir Francis de 
Sates

RE: New addition

Title: Message









Ditto – a story like this makes our
day, doesn’t it? Thank you for sharing and for giving your love and new
home to your new baby.

 

Hideyo

 

-Original Message-
From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:35
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: New addition

 



I've got tears in my eyes. That's
fabulous, Terrie. I wish you, your husband and Kitty (have you named her
yet) many happy years together. 





Kerry



-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:21
PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: New addition



Hi all,





    Last week this time
I picked up a kitty that was willed to my rescue that another Humane Society
had delivered to me.  They drove over 3 hours to get her to me.





Never had one this old willed to me
before. The person was put into a nursing home and passed on. This kitty I
swear maybe had a few days of life in her...now she is progressing
well...Amazing!





Anyway, the kitty is negative on
the Felv/Fiv test





(they tested her). 





She is a 15 yr old Spayed female
Siamese purebred. She was extremely underweight she is a large boned kitty
and has big feet. She could very easily weigh when healthy 14-15 pounds but she
is lucky if she weighs 5-6 pounds at the time of arrival. Very nice personality
gets along with my others.





I have been feeding her alot of
different dryfoods because I free feed my kitties. Been giving her extra
wetfood as well. She has gain almost a pound since being here. Fur is getting
soft. She had diarrhea the first 2 days, now that is gone stools are solid and
normal...YAY!





Is there something else that I can
give her to help boost her system? Like supplements or something?





She will be pampered by my husband
and I for the rest of her life. Last night she purred for the first time since
being here. She is such a sweetie too...By the way she does sleep with us and
the other kitties on our bed. 





THANK GOD it's a King Size bed!





I'm open for any
suggestions...thanks!





 







Terrie Mohr

Check site for available Siameses for adoption!

http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYS

https://www.paypal.com/
TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS


http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue

http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html

http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
Owner/Driver

Petfinder.com
Adopt a Homeless Pet!

http://www.petfinder.com/

http://www.orecatay.com/

http://www.awca.net/index.htm
http://www.felineleukemia.org/
http://www.petloss.com/
http://www.meezer.com/

http://thesiamesestore.com/

http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.html

http://ca.siameserescue.org/

http://co.siameserescue.org/

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Re: OT: New addition

2005-03-15 Thread catatonya

Congratulations on your new addition! It sounds like you're making good progress, so I don't have any ideas except maybe some good vitamins. She's s lucky girl to get to live out the rest of her life with you!
t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Message to post

2005-03-15 Thread Terri Brown





Welcome!
 
I currently feed Nutro Natural Choice Indoor formula.  I also 
recommend Precise or Eagle Pack.  Nutro is easier to find though.  
Petsmart carries it.
 
=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=
 
Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My 
FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My 
Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:45 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Message to post
  
  
  
  Thank you guys!  I have not tried any medicines on 
  the cat, my doctor didn't recommend any.  What is Interferon?  
  And as for food, what do you suggest?  I'm feeding him Purina Indoor 
  Formula Cat Chow.  The vet did say that he is slightly 
  overweight, so he will be going on a diet soon.  Thanks 
  again.  -Original Message-From: Cherie A 
  Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:25:23 -0800 
  (PST)Subject: Re: Message to post
  

  
  Welcome,
  Sorry you had to find us this way, but we are all here for each other 
  with tons of support. My Amber Girl is positive and she sounds like she has a 
  cold, you can always here her breathing, but that is ok she is still 
  goodare you using Interferon for 
  Maximus?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Welcome to the list. You will get a lot of emails. Someone put together 
a bunch of recommendations and made a little "FeLV primer," and someone else 
has an email with lots of food and supplement recommendations. I am sure 
they both will send them to you.  In general, make sure Maximus stays 
as stress-free as possible, avoid surgeries unless absolutely necessary, 
feed good quality foods (not the ones in supermarkets), feed immune support 
supplements daily, and learn about what illenesses can strike FeLV+ cats and 
what the treatments are so you will be prepared if it happens.  You 
will learn specifics on all of these from the aforementioned prefab emails 
you will probably be sent, and from the archived and ongoing posts.
Take care,
Michelle
 
In a message dated 3/15/05 2:18:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hi everyone, I was just doing some research 
  on Feline Leukemia, and found this website.  My cat, Maximus, is the 
  best cat ever.  My boyfriend and I found him as a stray and took him 
  in.  We brought him to the vet (after we fell in love with him), and 
  they did the leukemia test, and it came back positive.  We were 
  devastated.  So far he seems to be doing okay, but I get scared 
  everyday that I'm going to come home from work and he's going to be 
  sick.  He always sounds like he has a cold.  I don't know much 
  about the disease, except that there is no cure.  He's not even two 
  years old yet.  If anyone has any ideas on how I can make sure that 
  he lives as much of a healthy life that he can, that would be great.  
  This is a great website.

Re: Message to post/overweight FeLV+

2005-03-15 Thread Terri Brown

I also agree.  Let your positive kitty eat.  I don't restrain my 
positive girl.  (But she's a skinny minnie anyway).

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  Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:19 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Message to post

  I agree.  I am happy when my positives are a little 
  overweight.  It gives them some reserves if they stop eating when they 
  get sick (force feeding and apptetite stimulants, while necessary and 
  helpful, do not totally prevent weight loss when they are sick).
  Michelle

  In a message dated 3/15/05 2:50:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
     Don't worry about alittle overweight the first thing 
when these guys get sick to happen is they lose weight.  My Bailey 
is a tiny bit pudgy and I prefer him that way.--

RE: OT: New addition









How about Transfer Factor – it will
be a good immune booster regardless of the health condition for older kitties -


 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Barb Moermond
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: New addition

 



The only thing I remember for older kitties (and
people) is B12.  Remember Jamie's family cat that was older than she
was?  That's the only special thing they did for her.

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Hi all,





    Last week this time I picked up a kitty that
was willed to my rescue that another Humane Society had delivered to me. 
They drove over 3 hours to get her to me.





Never had one this old willed to me before. The person was put
into a nursing home and passed on. This kitty I swear maybe had a few days of
life in her...now she is progressing well...Amazing!





Anyway, the kitty is negative on the Felv/Fiv test





(they tested her). 





She is a 15 yr old Spayed female Siamese purebred. She was
extremely underweight she is a large boned kitty and has big feet.
She could very easily weigh when healthy 14-15 pounds but she is lucky if she
weighs 5-6 pounds at the time of arrival. Very nice personality gets along with
my others.





I have been feeding her alot of different dryfoods because I
free feed my kitties. Been giving her extra wetfood as well. She has gain
almost a pound since being here. Fur is getting soft. She had diarrhea the
first 2 days, now that is gone stools are solid and normal...YAY!





Is there something else that I can give her to help boost her
system? Like supplements or something?





She will be pampered by my husband and I for the rest of her
life. Last night she purred for the first time since being here. She is such a
sweetie too...By the way she does sleep with us and the other kitties on our
bed. 





THANK GOD it's a King Size bed!





I'm open for any suggestions...thanks!





 







Terrie Mohr

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RE: Squeekie

Squeekie, will be able to tell you have a good heart amnd be in your crew in no time I know it. Good luck
CherieHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:









 
Tamara, you made me feel much better  I will certainly do so when I see her again, and hopefully very soon!
Yeah, it was a bit surprising to me, she stared me for about 15 sec. from a distance, and she ran, and stopped, and she looked at me again for about 15 sec. or so, and ran again, and stopped and turned around towards me and looked at me again and finally went to someones yard.  From what the tenants and the owner described how she reacted when she saw them, she just ran away as quickly as she could without stopping at all.  There was definitly something between Squeekie and me, I hope.  I certainly hope that we are right.
 
The owner knows that I am in the process of catching her again, and she is definitely ok with it.
I am probably going to keep her with me  I will not be able to release her to wild after what happened to her.  I know that she is always going to be skittish and I may not be able to pet her  but again, thats how a half of my cats behave  I try to socialize them slowly  some of them, I can now pet them gently after three or four years later, and others, I might never be able to  but thats ok  I know they like being where they are  I just know that they are comfortable and happy (exception of a few fights among some) 
Tamara  please pray that I will be able to catch Squeekie very soon  it hurts me to think that she is out there (we had a few inches of snow during the last a day two)
.
I am planning to stake out again during the daytime tomorrow to see if I can catch her  I took a day off from work  I hope I will see her and trap her then.
 
Thank you,
 
Hugs,
 
Hideyo
 
 
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:07 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals
 

Hideyo, 

 

I believe you interpreted Squeekie's eye contact conversation correctly.  No its not silly.  Animals are smarter than most give them credit for, and unlike humans, animals are not quick to forget a kindness.  Next time you see her, talk to her softly...use the slow blink that cats often use to say 'hi", and play it by heart.

 

I am curious what you plan to do with her should you manage to catch her again?  Just worried that if your neighbor sees her out again...she might be caught and released yet again.

Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals

2005-03-15 Thread Kerry MacKenzie




I sure hate to argue with you, Tonya... but sorry, whether you 
like it or not, you are a hero :>)
Thanks for the laugh too!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:40 
  PM
  Subject: RE: OT:Tonya - killing 
  ferals
  
  Thanks, but I'm certainly no hero.  I do think if I'd had someone to 
  video the fool (me) running from the pack of dogs I could make a lot of 
  money. lol. Sometimes I'd just throw the bag of food out the window, but I was 
  trying to 'tame' them, so usually I'd try to approach them when there would 
  only be a few around.  I'd get out in the middle of 'no man's land' 
  though and then they would come out of the woodwork.  I'd run a little 
  and then turn around and 'face them off'.  I think they knew I was there 
  to feed them and wouldn't really hurt me.  I don't know.  It ended 
  very sadly though except for the two I still have.  Finally the county 
  marshall's office sent me a letter that I would be arrested if I interfered 
  with their trapping anymore or fed them.  I still did it until I realized 
  I wasn't making headway and the females were pregnant again. 
   
  One was obviously a stray, not feral.  She must have been abused or 
  something though, because she still does not trust me except to pet her a 
  little.  The other one I have is a smaller dog that I got by 'accident' 
  thinking I was getting one of her puppies.  I checked the shelter every 
  day to see who had been trapped and got the stray and 
  the 'accident'.  She is totally feral.  She likes to 'play' by 
  running around me in circles and barking, etc but will not let me touch 
  her at all.  I had to sign all kinds of waivers to get these 'vicious' 
  dogs.  Obviously I'm still alive so I don't think they're too 
  vicious.  A friend of mine and I were able to get 2 litters of puppies 
  out in time to socialize them and get them good homes.
   
  What's very strange about these dogs is that the times I've had to trap 
  them to vet them they just totally freeze they are so afraid.  When I had 
  them in carriers I was able to pet them, but they were shaking and so afraid 
  it was pitiful.  I was very afraid they would try to bite or be 
  aggressive. It's so hard to catch them I've only done it twice with Amy and 
  once with Little Sh*t.  This summer it's got to be done though, because 
  the vet said she'd go 3 years because of how they are with the heartworm 
  med.s.
   
  Most people think it's ridiculous that I've spent so much money (fenced 
  the yard, bought a smaller pen to confine for heartworm treatments, etc) 
  for 2 dogs I can't even touch.  And I wonder what kind of 'quality' of 
  life they really have they won't come in the house and I'm constantly 
  worried about them out in the weather.  Of course they won't use their 
  doghouses or go under my house crawlspace.  They just lay out in the 
  rain!  So sometimes I do wonder about the decision to 'keep them' instead 
  of letting them be euthanized with the others...  But they do seem 
  'happy' when I come home from work and sit outside with them etc... Who 
  knows?
   
  t"MacKenzie, Kerry N." 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Tonya, 
just wanted to add to Nina's comment re e.g. the dogs you workedwith for 
all that time--you're a heroine. Tireless efforts such as yours, at no 
small risk to life and limb, arethe true and original definition of 
'heroine' (and not the silly deedsyou so often hear the word applied to 
these days). More power to you.Kerry-Original 
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On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:45 PMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT:Tonya - killing 
feralsI'm sorry; one more thing that occurs to me that might 
help change your mind after all. It seems to me, that killing animals 
because of the suffering they may endure later is akin to how most 
people/vets feel about immediately euthanizing FeLV/FIV positive cats. 
While ferals don't have caregivers to ensure the best quality of life, 
they still deserve to live it.I'm going to try and shut up 
now.NinaNina wrote:> Tonya,> What you went 
through with those dogs is heart wrenching! How awful > for you and 
the dogs. I should have known there was a story like that> behind 
your comments.>> >> My opinion is sometimes trapping and 
euthanizing is the best we can> do for them. And these are 
domestic animals, whether they be feral > from the fault of humans or 
not, it's a hard life for the adults and > horrible for the kittens. 
:(>> While there may have been no alternative for those poor 
feral dogs, > it's not the same for feral cats. Dogs pose a danger to 
the humans in> their territory in a way cats never could. Wild 
cats are fringe > dwellers, it's rare to even see a

Fwd: [CRF] OT: Help for severe asthma -Emergency no luck on an asthma site....

2005-03-15 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH

This message is from the Chronic Renal Failure list, which I am also 
on. Would anyone have any ideas for this person? I asked her if I 
could forward her message to this list as there are so many 
knowledgeable people on it.

Thanks for any ideas,
Bonnie in WI
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I sent a message for my sister on a yahoo site for asthma -hoping I would get 
some advice like here-but I was just trying to get some help in a bad situation 
and no luck.  I got one response from someone and it was more or less advising 
me that they are not a vet -which I knew already but I guess they were just 
trying to get me familiar with their site.
Pepe is my sister's cat and suddenly developed asthma but he just started meds, 
unlike Lucille who was on them forever. He had a bad attack and did not respond 
to anything and is currently at the vet w my sister and they vet says pts... 
and i am so sad.  
Incase they kept him on oxygen overnight-has anyone had this happen and any 
luck?
They took an xray 2 weeks ago and could not tell what was wrong(??) this is 
confusing to me bc it is the same vet that diagnosed Lucille and so you would 
think they would know.  The vet is young and I actually thought he was like the 
guy that swept the floor... so I am not sure how familiar he is with this type 
of case. I suggested all I could and so I am hoping maybe by some miracle Pepe 
can last and someone will have an idea that works for tomorrow...
 
Christine and Lucille Casanova and Autumn for Tara and Pepe


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