for all the sick kitties - kind of OT
Just want you to know I'm running a marathon today. People sometimes dedicate every mile to someone different - I've got 25 kitties names I've taken from the list (some sick, some already at the bridge) written on my bib and I'll be dedicating a mile to each of them. The first mile is for ALL the kitties.
Scooter update
The vet called yesterday - Scooter is stable and not in any pain (he''s on opiates). I'll consult with her about the dex shots. It's nice to know there's SOMETHING I can do!
Re: Scooter update
I just want to emphasize, too, that chemo can really help lymphoma in some cases. People tend to shy away from it when they do not really understand, because they think of humans getting so sick from it. Vets do not give cats and dogs the same level of chemo that they give to humans, and dogs and cats also seem to handle it better. I would not recommend chemo for most cancers, because it so often does not help. But lymphoma is super-responsive to chemo. It actually cures some cats with lymphoma, and gives others years. I would not expect that result with a positive, because remissions last shorter times with positives. But it can give them months, and I have heard of at least three positive cats going strong for a year or more on chemo. If you decide to look into it, get him to an oncologist right away; do not rely on an ordinary vet to figure out the protocol. If you decide not to look into it, then the dex shots are definitely the next best thing. Actually, better than dex shots are combination dex and depomedrol shots. A friend of a friend who is a vet taught me to use these, and she said that when started early enough she has seen cats with lymphoma live up to 6 months on these shots alone, which may be all, or more, than they would get from chemo anyway. Though I think 3-4 months is the longest I have seen the shots give cats with lymphoma. But it does keep them very comfortable. Michelle In a message dated 11/12/2006 5:16:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The vet called yesterday - Scooter is stable and not in any pain (he''s on opiates). I'll consult with her about the dex shots. It's nice to know there's SOMETHING I can do!
Re: for all the sick kitties - kind of OT
That is such an amazing thing to do. Thank you from all of us. And good luck!! Michelle In a message dated 11/12/2006 5:04:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just want you to know I'm running a marathon today. People sometimes dedicate every mile to someone different - I've got 25 kitties names I've taken from the list (some sick, some already at the bridge) written on my bib and I'll be dedicating a mile to each of them. The first mile is for ALL the kitties.
Re: How should I handle this?
I personally would vaccinate everyone (even my fiv's) for felv. Wait and give them all the booster, and then mix. If your cats have already been vaccinated and boostered, of course this doesn't need to be done and I would mix now. 12 weeks is too young to know if this cat is truly positive.tdede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been following the posts for awhile. I have a 6 m/o DSH named Ki. He has become very special to me.i was only supposed to keep him for a couple ofweeks, and he tested + for FeLV. No one at the rescueknew what to do. They ususlly just PTS. The vetwouldn't do it as he was only 12 wks old at the time.I had him tested in Sept with the Elisa. He was stilla weak +. When should I do the IFA? I have beenreading things concerning the other cats catchingthis. Right now, I have him separated. He is healthyand playful. What is the risk??We are moving from Fl to NY in the Spring. I need tohave answers for him by then. It's funny, but I have3 FIV cats with my other guys...never had ittransmitted. I am just scared about the FeLV...justdon't know as much, I guess.Education is everything!Dede"When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God"Mosiah 2:17Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/)
Re: for all the sick kitties - kind of OT
That is so very sweet of you,good luck on the marathon.Take care Sherry[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just want you to know I'm running a marathon today. People sometimes dedicate every mile to someone different - I've got 25 kitties names I've taken from the list (some sick, some already at the bridge) written on my bib and I'll be dedicating a mile to each of them. The first mile is for ALL the kitties. Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: Evander Please add him to the CLS
Gus is still having problems with very bad loose stool and is still at the clinic.Thanks for the prayers for him. SherryJennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poor Evander, I hope my thoughts of peace made it through to him, and sped his journey.How is Gus doing? I was able to visualize him more clearly. PhaewrynPlease adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.htmlNo virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.1/527 - Release Date: 11/9/2006 Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
Re: Prayers needed for Inky
Kerry many prayers and good thoughts going out to you and Inky. SherryKerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi everyone, I have been out of touch this last week as Inky has been sick...He is my boy that is 20yrs 3 months and isn't felv+. Anyway, we were fighting the IBD last weekend. I thought he was getting better, but then he just wouldn't eat..And he never goes off his good entirely so I took him in this last Tues..the blood work showed again that his kidney values were elevated..BUN and creatinine were way up..so he has been on IV fluids since Wed. 8am til 5pm then I go get him and bring him home for the night...Today will be the last day and we will re-check his blood work..Last time he stayed in the hospital for 10 days and on IV's for about 5 of it...So this time since he doesn't tolerate sub-q's well, this would be faster and easier on him..He likes to ride so that is a good thing..I think he had a little of both IBD and kidney flare up which both made him throw up and loose stool..He is back on his chicken and broth, eating well...and talking to me so I always know that is a good sign...He is really sick when he doesn't talk at all..It is really hard since he has to be on a kidney diet and IBD diet as I have to try to balance all this to keep both in check..What seems to be ok for one isn't for the other so I have really had to research his options so to try to keep them both ok..Any thoughts on any of this is appreciated!!! Please keep him in your prayers...also Bandy is a little under the weather lately..he isn't eating as good as I would like, but no fever. Not quite sure what is up with him just keeping a good eye on him... Thanks everyone, Head butts to all your kitties, Kerry, Bandy and Inky Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: our little Scooter
Prayers and good thoughts for your sweet scooter Sherry[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sad to say that Scooter will probably not make it. The vet thinks he likely has lymphoma, as x-rays show his kidneys to be enlarged and misshapen, and his white cell count dropped from normal to 2000 in less than a week. His blood, when viewed thought the microscope, has lots of lymphocites. He didn't look good yesterday. I'm saying prayers and sending healing energy to all the sick kitties out there, and to all you caregivers. This is so hard - I don't know how you all keep doing this. Bless you. Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
Haley
Could I ask for some prayers for our sweet little buff girl Haley,she seems to be losing weight,we lost her sister Hillary a few months back.They were born with felv and she is over 2 years old now.We know she won't be here for years and years but prayers would be appreciated.Thank you all so much. Sherry Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: Haley
Sending prayers, Sherry. We all know that some of them can go a lot longer than 2 years, so it is always worth hoping and praying. How many positives are at the shelter? Michelle In a message dated 11/12/2006 9:19:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could I ask for some prayers for our sweet little buff girl Haley,she seems to be losing weight,we lost her sister Hillary a few months back.They were born with felv and she is over 2 years old now.We know she won't be here for years and years but prayers would be appreciated.Thank you all so much. Sherry
Re: Haley
We have around 80 fiv,felv pos at the shelter.We have had 3 retest neg for both,one just last night. :) Ivan a hurricane Katrina kitty that has been with us for almost a year,he tested pos for fiv and now nothing.Finally some good news instead of bad all the time.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Sending prayers, Sherry. We all know that some of them can go a lot longer than 2 years, so it is always worth hoping and praying.How many positives are at the shelter? MichelleIn a message dated 11/12/2006 9:19:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Could I ask for some prayers for our sweet little buff girl Haley,she seems to be losing weight,we lost her sister Hillary a few months back.They were born with felv and she is over 2 years old now.We know she won't be here for years and years but prayers would be appreciated.Thank you all so much. Sherry Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: How catchy is it?
don't know about UC Davis, but i JUST found out that the MSU vet school adopts out theirs. On 11/11/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of healthy adult cats is UC Davis in CA still adopting their research cats out to the public after they complete their studies? They used to have an adoption webpage, and now it's gone... anyone have any idea? It would be really sad if they discontinued that adoption program, those cats certainly do deserve a normal life after serving society in the ways they do for years. I know they had a Persian breeding program to study heart conditions in the breed for a while Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.htmlNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 11/10/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
RE: Prayers needed for Inky - to kerry
Kerry, I will be praying so hard that Inky will fell better soon my Hannibal had CRF and was on CRF support group and still am so I know a bit about this disease how high is his BUN how about crea? Phos? Is he on any phos. Binder? Is he anemic at all ? please post his blood work if you can also if you havnet, you may want to join this group,, I leared so much about the treatment of this diease from this group and heres the GREAT website by Helen on CRF kitties and treatment and you might want to look . cats with CRF crashes sometimes which happened to hannibal.. but they do bounce back often, and Hannibal did so keep thinking positive.. my two cents is that if there is something he likes to eat, dont hesitate to give it to him right now.. we want him to feel good emotionally and physically thats important.. The group is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Helens site is http://www.felinecrf.org/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 7:14 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Prayers needed for Inky Kerry many prayers and good thoughts going out to you and Inky. Sherry Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I have been out of touch this last week as Inky has been sick...He is my boy that is 20yrs 3 months and isn't felv+. Anyway, we were fighting the IBD last weekend. I thought he was getting better, but then he just wouldn't eat..And he never goes off his good entirely so I took him in this last Tues..the blood work showed again that his kidney values were elevated..BUN and creatinine were way up..so he has been on IV fluids since Wed. 8am til 5pm then I go get him and bring him home for the night...Today will be the last day and we will re-check his blood work..Last time he stayed in the hospital for 10 days and on IV's for about 5 of it...So this time since he doesn't tolerate sub-q's well, this would be faster and easier on him..He likes to ride so that is a good thing..I think he had a little of both IBD and kidney flare up which both made him throw up and loose stool..He is back on his chicken and broth, eating well...and talking to me so I always know that is a good sign...He is really sick when he doesn't talk at all..It is really hard since he has to be on a kidney diet and IBD diet as I have to try to balance all this to keep both in check..What seems to be ok for one isn't for the other so I have really had to research his options so to try to keep them both ok..Any thoughts on any of this is appreciated!!! Please keep him in your prayers...also Bandy is a little under the weather lately..he isn't eating as good as I would like, but no fever. Not quite sure what is up with him just keeping a good eye on him... Thanks everyone, Head butts to all your kitties, Kerry, Bandy and Inky Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
RE: Haley
Sherry, can you do his blood work to see whats going on? Interferon may help to feel better and shake whatever is going on right now, too. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 7:19 AM To: Felvtalk Subject: Haley Could I ask for some prayers for our sweet little buff girl Haley,she seems to be losing weight,we lost her sister Hillary a few months back.They were born with felv and she is over 2 years old now.We know she won't be here for years and years but prayers would be appreciated.Thank you all so much. Sherry Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: for all the sick kitties - kind of OT
Go Go Go! And thank you. elizabeth In a message dated 11/12/2006 4:04:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just want you to know I'm running a marathon today. People sometimes dedicate every mile to someone different - I've got 25 kitties names I've taken from the list (some sick, some already at the bridge) written on my bib and I'll be dedicating a mile to each of them. The first mile is for ALL the kitties.
Re: Scooter update
Thank you for letting us know - I've been thinking about you guys. love and prayers, elizabeth In a message dated 11/12/2006 4:16:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The vet called yesterday - Scooter is stable and not in any pain (he''s on opiates). I'll consult with her about the dex shots. It's nice to know there's SOMETHING I can do!
Re: Haley
Prayers for you all and special prayers for Haley, Sherry. love and light, elizabeth In a message dated 11/12/2006 8:19:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could I ask for some prayers for our sweet little buff girl Haley,she seems to be losing weight,we lost her sister Hillary a few months back.They were born with felv and she is over 2 years old now.We know she won't be here for years and years but prayers would be appreciated.Thank you all so much. Sherry
a little ot: question
Sometimes I get so much email that I have to scan quickly and I know I miss out on things...but I have this question that I hope someone can answer. If FIV can only be confirmed with necropsy, then how does the test for FIV work? I ask because when Mama Kitty was giving a test at the vet's office for FeVL - we looked for twodots to show on this thing that looks a lot like a pregnancy test...she had a faint dot on the FeVL sidebut no dot on the FIV side. Am I getting this confused with something else? Was it FIP that I am thinking about. Duh. Thank you for your time and patience - Your ignorant friend, elizabeth
Re: our little Scooter
To Scooter's mom, I'm so sorry about Scooter's prognosis. I'm sending prayers and support, we do all know how hard it is to watch and wait and try to decide what's best for our sweet babies. I wanted to second Michelle's suggestion. From what I hear, the dex shots, (my vet wouldn't prescribe the combo), don't always have this sort of effect, but my Spencer got a new lease on life for a month on them. It was truly miraculous how much better he felt. It didn't save him, but we had another month together to live and love. My heart is with you both, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are not going to do chemo, then please please get the vet to give him dexamethasone injections, or, even better, a combined shot of 1/2 ml dex and 1/2 ml depomedrol. These are very strong steroids that shrink lymphoma and make them feel a whole lot better. They can help cats with lymphoma live up to several months in comfort without chemo. A number of us on this list have seen these shots work well like this. The shots do not make them feel sick at all, only better, and are very cheap. Michelle In a message dated 11/11/2006 8:18:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sad to say that Scooter will probably not make it. The vet thinks he likely has lymphoma, as x-rays show his kidneys to be enlarged and misshapen, and his white cell count dropped from normal to 2000 in less than a week. His blood, when viewed thought the microscope, has lots of lymphocites. He didn't look good yesterday. I'm saying prayers and sending healing energy to all the sick kitties out there, and to all you caregivers. This is so hard - I don't know how you all keep doing this. Bless you.
Re: Prayers needed for Inky
Hi Kerry, I'm sending prayers and healing energy for Inky, Bandy and you. You are a remarkable woman to muster so much strength for so long. Inky and Bandy, (and all your babies), chose well. Much love, Nina Kerry Roach wrote: Hi everyone, I have been out of touch this last week as Inky has been sick...He is my boy that is 20yrs 3 months and isn't felv+. Anyway, we were fighting the IBD last weekend. I thought he was getting better, but then he just wouldn't eat..And he never goes off his good entirely so I took him in this last Tues..the blood work showed again that his kidney values were elevated..BUN and creatinine were way up..so he has been on IV fluids since Wed. 8am til 5pm then I go get him and bring him home for the night...Today will be the last day and we will re-check his blood work..Last time he stayed in the hospital for 10 days and on IV's for about 5 of it...So this time since he doesn't tolerate sub-q's well, this would be faster and easier on him..He likes to ride so that is a good thing..I think he had a little of both IBD and kidney flare up which both made him throw up and loose stool..He is back on his chicken and broth, eating well...and talking to me so I always know that is a good sign...He is really sick when he doesn't talk at all..It is really hard since he has to be on a kidney diet and IBD diet as I have to try to balance all this to keep both in check..What seems to be ok for one isn't for the other so I have really had to research his options so to try to keep them both ok..Any thoughts on any of this is appreciated!!! Please keep him in your prayers...also Bandy is a little under the weather lately..he isn't eating as good as I would like, but no fever. Not quite sure what is up with him just keeping a good eye on him... Thanks everyone, Head butts to all your kitties, Kerry, Bandy and Inky Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=45083/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta
Re: Scooter update
Good, I'm glad you have a vet that acknowledges that cats can be in pain and is willing to prescribe medication. It's sad that some vets don't seem to care or understand that pain happens in animals. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Evander Please add him to the CLS
Sending "firm poopie" vibes to Gus then! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: a little ot: question
It's FIP that can be confirmed with necropsy. No...your not ignorant! In a message dated 11/12/2006 10:35:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sometimes I get so much email that I have to scan quickly and I know I miss out on things...but I have this question that I hope someone can answer. If FIV can only be confirmed with necropsy, then how does the test for FIV work? I ask because when Mama Kitty was giving a test at the vet's office for FeVL - we looked for twodots to show on this thing that looks a lot like a pregnancy test...she had a faint dot on the FeVL sidebut no dot on the FIV side. Am I getting this confused with something else? Was it FIP that I am thinking about. Duh. Thank you for your time and patience - Your ignorant friend, elizabeth Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: Haley
Sending thoughts of healing and peace for Haley. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: How catchy is it?
Do they have a website for their adoption program, MC? Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: a little ot: question
Yes, you're thinking of FIP. The combo test you're referring to is a combo FIV/FELV ELISA pop test (and it's generally considered unreliable due to the large number of false positives and false negatives it registers) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: How catchy is it?
NM, I found it: http://cvm.msu.edu/research/cfhw/Adoption.htm That's wonderful! I wish more vet schools would do this... most of the research animals end up just euth'ed after they are done with them. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: a little ot: question
pop test? gee, i'm used to calling it a SNAP test myownself (after you place the drawn blood into the cavity, you have to snap it closed.) for future reference,FIV sanctuaries and rescues won't even consider a cat positive without a confirmatory western blot testand the FIVvaccine produces a life-longimmune response that makes them test positive on both the snap and the western blot--phaewyrn just sent the linkabout the first, supposedly reliable, dna testing to distinquish between naturallyoccuring vs vaccine-induced FIV strains ignorant, no--overwhelmed by all the info you never knew was out there? quite likely! On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, you're thinking of FIP. The combo test you're referring to is a combo FIV/FELV ELISA pop test (and it's generally considered unreliable due to the large number of false positives and false negatives it registers) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.htmlNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: How catchy is it?
i've only been in the area for 23 years, and in rescue for eight--and NEVER knew they did this never seen any reference on any of the statewide lists, so don't know if it's a new policy, if they don't work with rescues, or what. On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NM, I found it: http://cvm.msu.edu/research/cfhw/Adoption.htm That's wonderful! I wish more vet schools would do this... most of the research animals end up just euth'ed after they are done with them. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.htmlNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: a little ot: question
Snap, pop... minor differential technicalities in my auditory senses, IMO. LMAO! Think Rice Crispies Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: How catchy is it?
UC Davis used to do it too (they still may and just the webpage builder graduated or something)... I'm going to write EVERY vet school in the USA, and ask them about it. Then, I'm making a link to all the ones that do from my website... look at it so far, on my domesticcatlinks.html page (in sig) Do you by chance have a list of ALL the vet schools? I'm sure I can dig one up...but if you know one off-hand to save me time... Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: How catchy is it? (OT - about vet school adoption programs)
Whoops, didn't realize that was to the entire list, meant to take that on off list. OR to the OT list... hint hint MC! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: a little ot: question
i'm just loving the thought of the look on my vet's face next time i have to ask for a pop test... On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snap, pop... minor differential technicalities in my auditory senses, IMO. LMAO! Think Rice Crispies Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.htmlNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: How catchy is it?
nope, i've never gotten around to putting together one, either! On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UC Davis used to do it too (they still may and just the webpage builder graduated or something)... I'm going to write EVERY vet school in the USA, and ask them about it. Then, I'm making a link to all the ones that do from my website... look at it so far, on my domesticcatlinks.html page (in sig) Do you by chance have a list of ALL the vet schools? I'm sure I can dig one up...but if you know one off-hand to save me time... Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.htmlNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: How catchy is it? (OT - about vet school adoption programs)
Hey, I didn't mind. I would be interested in this list as well. It would probably be useful in helping them as well adopt their kitties out. Do write every Vet school in the U.S. If you need help let me know I'll try and make time. In a message dated 11/12/2006 1:17:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whoops, didn't realize that was to the entire list, meant to take that on off list. OR to the OT list... hint hint MC! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: How catchy is it? (OT - about vet school adoption programs)
Are you on the OT group yet Terrie? If not, you should join... I've just moved this conversation over there. I'll send you an invite... ignore it if you're already over there.. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: How catchy is it? (OT - about vet school adoption programs)
I think so...can't remember. My age is catching up with me I guess. Do send it to me. With all the crap that has been happening lately it's a wonder I'm still able to function some what normal...lol In a message dated 11/12/2006 1:40:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you on the OT group yet Terrie? If not, you should join... I've just moved this conversation over there. I'll send you an invite... ignore it if you're already over there.. Phaewryn Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: Haley
That is good news! And what an amazing thing-- a shelter with so many positives, devoted to positives. What do you do when they test negative? Michelle In a message dated 11/12/2006 10:19:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We have around 80 fiv,felv pos at the shelter.We have had 3 retest neg for both,one just last night. :) Ivan a hurricane Katrina kitty that has been with us for almost a year,he tested pos for fiv and now nothing.Finally some good news instead of bad all the time.
Re: a little ot: question
At 10:34 AM 11/12/2006, you wrote: It is FIP that is confirmed (sometimes) by necropsy. FIV is confirmed when they are alive and well by blood work Kelly Sometimes I get so much email that I have to scan quickly and I know I miss out on things...but I have this question that I hope someone can answer. If FIV can only be confirmed with necropsy, then how does the test for FIV work? I ask because when Mama Kitty was giving a test at the vet's office for FeVL - we looked for two dots to show on this thing that looks a lot like a pregnancy test...she had a faint dot on the FeVL side but no dot on the FIV side. Am I getting this confused with something else? Was it FIP that I am thinking about. Duh. Thank you for your time and patience - Your ignorant friend, elizabeth No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Haley
Well when One-Eyed Willie tested neg,one of our volunteers took him home until he could be retested,needless to say that is where he stayed :) and then when Tristan tested neg for felv he came to my house and I am taking him and two other of my boys in thursday to be retested.Regardless of the outcome they are where they will be until it is thier time to leave me,which I hope is a very long time.Three of my boys are fiv+ and Tristan hopefully will retesy felv- again.Wish me luck. :)Oh and Ivan will be going over to Crash's,which is the adoptable non infected fur babies go,unless someone claims him!! Sherry[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:That is good news! And what an amazing thing-- a shelter with so many positives, devoted to positives.What do you do when they test negative?MichelleIn a message dated 11/12/2006 10:19:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We have around 80 fiv,felv pos at the shelter.We have had 3 retest neg for both,one just last night. :) Ivan a hurricane Katrina kitty that has been with us for almost a year,he tested pos for fiv and now nothing.Finally some good news instead of bad all the time. Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Interferon treatment for Felk asymptomatic kitties
Hi, everyone, I wanted to ask you all if you have been or have used interferon on your felk kitties when asymptomatic I have lost my baby Tsubomi last month she had been so healthy and so chubby ever since I had rescued her and I had no idea that she was that ill (became very anemic quickly and I lost her to anemia) until very last minute I felt very responsible that I did not take care of her more proactively knowing felk kitties can crash that quickly reading study about interferon treatment on Felk kitties and FIV kitties I am considering starting low oral dosage (either FOI or alfaron) on my Ginger who is felk positive she is asymptotic (knok on wood), but I feel that I should do something proactively as I feel that that was the lesson Tsubomi left for me for Ginger from the study I read by Italian group for FIV kitties/interferon treatment what interferon did dto them was fascinating when given as SC treatment (which is the normal protocol for felk kitties), it acts as anti-viral agent, so it will start attacking virus in the body.. but when given low oral dosage treatment, it does not act as anti-viral, but instead it simulates their immune response to the virus so what happen is that, later after the treatment is over, though they may still possess the virus activity in their body, and sometimes the virus activity/load is more than what they had earlier on before the treatment, now the body is better immune to the virus and deal with the virus much stronger and therefore they are more resistant to the impact of the virus there was a significant difference in clinical conditions and mortality between placebo and test groups. .. when given as SC (considered to be high dose), it loses the same effect somehow, and sometimes, instead, it enhances pro inflammatory response --- and I was considering giving my Ginger low oral dosage to see if the study and very encouraging result done for FIV kitties can be some how replicated on felk kitties this way.. and wanted to know anyones input or experience on using low oral dosage to asymptomatic felk kitties any insight is appreciated thank you. Hideyo
supplements + pill pockets question
Hello, I've got Ember on Transfer Factor: People Version. I just received some Mega C that I want to start fairly soon. When I give Ember the TF, I put it in her wet food. The trouble is, she sometimes doesn't tear through her wet food as I'd like. Would a Pill Pocket be able to properly hold the powder from the TF capsule (or Mega C)? It's obviously designed for pills, and since I don't have a good concept for how large it is, I just don't know. I'm thinking they must be tiny. Pill Pockets seemed to get decent reviews in the archives, though they sound a little hit or miss. I'll try 'em for $5. Would I be better off trying something else? I'm already syringing interferon alpha and Liquid DMG, and I'd rather not put her through another battery of daily syringings. I don't think that's a word, but it sounds kinda cool. Thanks, Lance
Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley-- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: supplements + pill pockets question
I have a much better solution, if it will work. When I need to give my cats supplements, I mix them into chicken or turkey baby food (beechnut or gerber's, just make sure no onion is in it-- just turkey and broth and gerber's has corn starch). Most cats LOVE baby food and will eat almost anything mixed into it. You can give her 1/4 or 1/2 jar each morning with the supplements mixed in, then when she finishes give her her normal food. This was my ritual for years with mine, until I stopped being able to give baby food or most of the supplements to Lucy due to IBD. Now I mostly mix in whatever I need to into the cooked turkey recipe that I make for her, and they eat it that way. Michelle In a message dated 11/12/2006 6:09:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello,I've got Ember on Transfer Factor: People Version. I just received some Mega C that I want to start fairly soon. When I give Ember the TF, I put it in her wet food. The trouble is, she sometimes doesn't tear through her wet food as I'd like. Would a Pill Pocket be able to properly hold the powder from the TF capsule (or Mega C)? It's obviously designed for pills, and since I don't have a good concept for how large it is, I just don't know. I'm thinking they must be tiny. Pill Pockets seemed to get decent reviews in the archives, though they sound a little hit or miss. I'll try 'em for $5. Would I be better off trying something else? I'm already syringing interferon alpha and Liquid DMG, and I'd rather not put her through another battery of daily syringings. I don't think that's a word, but it sounds kinda cool.Thanks,Lance
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
At 03:19 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote: Everyone is different. I would separate the FELV and but he FIV as long as they were friendly, but both are more susceptible to others bugs the other cats have, I would use it as a chance to educate. Kelly Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
I would test all of them, because you do not want to adopt out without knowing, both because of contagion and because you then will not know what the person/family will do if the cat later tests positive by surprise. If you are going to adopt a positive to someone, you want to know and make sure they can and will handle it. Once tested, I would keep the felv+ cats separate, for sure. My cats came from a cageless shelter where they were not kept completely separate-- some were allowed to live in the outdoor/indoor area with the ferals. Although the ferals are vaccinated, occasionally one or two gets sick and tests positive. I would not do that to any cat, and in a large rescue situation you are going to be risking it if you mix them. FIV is slightly less of a problem to mix, because it can only be spread through bites. However, in a rescue situation, with cats coming and going, you can never really predict or prevent fights. So to be safe, if possible, I would keep them separate also, in their own area. I definitely would not mix fiv and felv, as their immune systems are both weak and they are therefore each more likely to pick up the other disease. You would need to realize, though, that you would probably end up keeping, ie acting as a sanctuary, for the ones that test positive for felv, unless you have a relationship with a sactuary like best friends or sherry's sanctuary that will take them. Occasionally you can adopt one out, but not often. FIV you might have more luck adopting out, but probably not a whole lot more luck. I saw one shelter do a very creative adoption drive advertising FIV+ cats, and explaining what FIV is, at a gay pride festival, clearly thinking that people who are sensitive to and understand HIV will be more likely to be willing to listen about and take on a cat with FIV. I have no idea if it worked, though. I just saw the booth at the festival and asked them some questions, but never followed up. I would try it, though, if I were trying to find homes for FIV+ cats. Of course, FIV is actually less problematic than HIV, as cats can live long lives with it without needing complicated cocktails of meds. FeLV is more like HIV, I think,although worse because we do not have a good drug cocktail to handle it yet. and the name does not sound the same. My two cents. Michelle In a message dated 11/12/2006 6:20:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley
Re: Prayers needed for Inky
Hi guys, Thanks so much for the prayers.. Inky had the IV pulled Sat around 5pm so now we hope it worked...They are going to get him some sort of new med that keeps the BUN and creatinine down..Guess I will find out Monday about that as I think it has to come from a compounding pharmacy.. Michelle, I am going to ask her about keeping him on the lower dose of metronidazole for awhile, too...I think it would help him since loose stool can't be good for his kidneys either.. Inky is supposed to be on the Hills k/d but since his stomach IBD flare up, I have only fed him some I/D, but not much...Here is his current diet and I know most will think it is nuts, but he likes it..and I think it is much better for him..He is eating grilled chicken breast and mashed potatoes...with some chicken broth added at times. I also added english peas to it today...and am going to add carrots and green beans in the next few days..only a few mashed up in the potatoes..One of my natural books suggests that for IBD and kidneys, too..He likes french fries, too..He has always eaten chips of any kind when I am eating them so the added salt is good so it will make him drink more... I put Bandy back on fulvicin today as the ringworm is starting up again.. I think that drug made him feel better for some reason so that may be why he hasn't felt so good lately..I took him off it couple of wks ago when he got sick stomach/ loose stool, too..All that I have read about it says it isn't good for an FIV kitty, but seems to make him feel better so I don't know what to do about it..He needs to go get an eye checkup, but I haven't had the chance to go to Dallas lately as it makes for a very long day...I am going to call for appt on Monday though so maybe I can get him in right after Thanksgiving. Anyway, thanks again for all your support..and info.. Kerry, Bandy and Inky Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
the very first thing would be to establish a network of foster homes who were educated about, and not afraid of, either virus. in the cases of either, having time and space is often the difference between their life and death--most rescues/shelters might give them a chance if they had a place to keep them safe until their forever homes appeared. once that was in place (ha!), i'd first test with a snap test. would confirm positive FIV results immediately with a western blot; if the western blot was positive and the cat showed evidence of having been a housecat (ie, neutered, or declawed, or very people-oriented), would do the DNA test at UC Davis to see if the FIV was from a prior vaccination. is really still positive? just adopt him out through my own petfinder site, as well as using the various resources available for placing such kitties. for cats who tested positive for FeLV, i'd place the cat into fosterage for 120 days to await restesting with the IFA. if it tested negative then, adopt out as usual. if positive on the IFA, would post on petfinder as a special-needs cat, utilize the network of places that are FeLV-friendly and post it everywhere, and keep it in a foster home until its forever home appeared. should it become symptomatic, theoretically the foster home would have known of this possibility and be willing to help treat it and love it as long as it remained on this plane. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley-- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Prayers needed for Inky
Kerry, I don't think the diet is crazy, but I am not sure salt is good, or even ok, for a CRF cat. Did you ask the vet? In addition to making him drink, it might actually be difficult on his kidneys. I am not at all sure about that, but think I heard something about it. or maybe when Lamby, our sheep, was having kidney problems I asked about her salt block and was told that. Not sure. We did continue to give her a little bit, and put it by her water bucket, but we had to be careful with the amount. We still are, actually. Sorry to hear bandy is not himself. Did you get him checked for a URI? is he still on I-R? Lucy was not herself with her URI even after the fever went away-- the stuffiness, which was not very obvious and could only be heard now and then, took her off her feet and her feed. The I-R seemed to help her get her groove back, but she is still sneezing a little so I am planning to get her a second shot on Tuesday. Michelle In a message dated 11/12/2006 6:38:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi guys, Thanks so much for the prayers.. Inky had the IV pulled Sat around 5pm so now we hope it worked...They are going to get him some sort of new med that keeps the BUN and creatinine down..Guess I will find out Monday about that as I think it has to come from a compounding pharmacy.. Michelle, I am going to ask her about keeping him on the lower dose of metronidazole for awhile, too...I think it would help him since loose stool can't be good for his kidneys either.. Inky is supposed to be on the Hills k/d but since his stomach IBD flare up, I have only fed him some I/D, but not much...Here is his current diet and I know most will think it is nuts, but he likes it..and I think it is much better for him..He is eating grilled chicken breast and mashed potatoes...with some chicken broth added at times. I also added english peas to it today...and am going to add carrots and green beans in the next few days..only a few mashed up in the potatoes..One of my natural books suggests that for IBD and kidneys, too..He likes french fries, too..He has always eaten chips of any kind when I am eating them so the added salt is good so it will make him drink more... I put Bandy back on fulvicin today as the ringworm is starting up again.. I think that drug made him feel better for some reason so that may be why he hasn't felt so good lately..I took him off it couple of wks ago when he got sick stomach/ loose stool, too..All that I have read about it says it isn't good for an FIV kitty, but seems to make him feel better so I don't know what to do about it..He needs to go get an eye checkup, but I haven't had the chance to go to Dallas lately as it makes for a very long day...I am going to call for appt on Monday though so maybe I can get him in right after Thanksgiving. Anyway, thanks again for all your support..and info.. Kerry, Bandy and Inky
Re: Lucy very sick again
Baytril does help with URI's. It is very strong, though, and what gave Lucy the original diarrhea that started her IBD, so she can't get it. It works well, though. Michelle In a message dated 11/9/2006 7:59:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does Baytrill help with an URI? I hope Lucy startsfeeling better soon.Cindy Reasoner
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
Test for both, using the combo ELISA "snap" test (the one most vet offices do right while you wait in the exam room). If it shows double neg, retest again with same test in 1 month to confirm negative prior to adoption as neg cat, if the cat being absolutely negative is that important to your adoption policy (personally I guarantee that any cat adopted through my rescue TESTED negative, not that the cat IS negative, NOTE the phrasing, it will save you from a lawsuit! I keep all testing records on file even after cat is adopted). If either side shows positive, confirm with a IFA for FELV. Confirm with new DNA test for FIV. Retest using confirmation testing type in 2-6 months. You will also need a clause in your adoption contract that states that the adoptive owner must contact you in the case of the cat being euthanised for ANY reason prior to euth, unless the cat is suffering and it is the only humane option. This saves cats that later test positive from being automatically euth'ed by their vet without contacting you first. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
well, one month isn't really enough for FeLV retestingi've never seen anything about needing to wait to confirm an FIV negative, tho i guess it couldn't hurt. i've gathered tho, that it will show up much quicker than will FeLV infection. there also doesn't seem to be any real info about adult cats being able to process out the FIV virus once a cat has it, unlike with FeLV. On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Test for both, using the combo ELISA snap test (the one most vet offices do right while you wait in the exam room). If it shows double neg, retest again with same test in 1 month to confirm negative prior to adoption as neg cat, if the cat being absolutely negative is that important to your adoption policy (personally I guarantee that any cat adopted through my rescue TESTED negative, not that the cat IS negative, NOTE the phrasing, it will save you from a lawsuit! I keep all testing records on file even after cat is adopted). If either side shows positive, confirm with a IFA for FELV. Confirm with new DNA test for FIV. Retest using confirmation testing type in 2-6 months. You will also need a clause in your adoption contract that states that the adoptive owner must contact you in the case of the cat being euthanised for ANY reason prior to euth, unless the cat is suffering and it is the only humane option. This saves cats that later test positive from being automatically euth'ed by their vet without contacting you first. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.htmlNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
Oh and missed the what would I do part of that. In the case of FIV positive, I advertise the cat for adoption as FIV+ and provide educational links and brochures for people so they can learn about FIV and know that it's OK to have a FIV+ cat with other negative cats. These usually take about 6 months to a year to place. In the case of FELV, the same as above, except I advise that although FELV is not easily transmitted, it can be passed on to other cats in the household. I tell people that the cat deserves a home just like any other cat, and would be perfect for a home without other cats, or with other FELV+ cats, and if I have more than one in rescue, I offer a very reduced adoption fee for a PAIR of FELV+ cats.Usually, sadly, these cats do not find homes. At that point it's a personal choice, do YOU want to create a FELV+ sanctuary room at your rescue, or do you want to euthanise? Now, when it comes to deciding on sanctuary rooms, here's the tricky part. Do you make ONE room and mix FIV+ and FELV+ both in it, or do you make a FELV+ room, and a FIV+ room? And what do you do with a double positive cat with both FIV AND FELV? Most FIV+ cats are likely to catch the FELV if put in with FELV+ cats, BUT it's rare for a FELV+ to catch FIV from a FIV+ cat. So... Make a separate room for FIV and FELV, then if you have a double positive, put that cat in the FELV room. This way, you are keeping the FIV+ cats as FIV+ only, since they are the most likely to stay healthy long term, and also the more adoptable of the two. OR, you can just mix em all together and hope for the best, but then you can't make guarantees on adoption contracts either, unless you plan to retest the DAY the cat gets adopted, so you can be sure the cat is still negative before it goes through the door, since it's been in contact with positive cats. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
MC, why do the western blot at all? The DNA test is a sure thing the way I see it, the DNA test has made the western blot obsolete. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
At 03:54 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote: Personally I would not mix the Felv and FIV as you do not the FIV to end up with FELV, my felv are in their own area , but I know it is hard to transmit, but they can easily catch something else that would not be serious to a healthy cat but could be deadly to a FELV cat, My FIV cat I do mix, kelly Oh and missed the what would I do part of that. In the case of FIV positive, I advertise the cat for adoption as FIV+ and provide educational links and brochures for people so they can learn about FIV and know that it's OK to have a FIV+ cat with other negative cats. These usually take about 6 months to a year to place. In the case of FELV, the same as above, except I advise that although FELV is not easily transmitted, it can be passed on to other cats in the household. I tell people that the cat deserves a home just like any other cat, and would be perfect for a home without other cats, or with other FELV+ cats, and if I have more than one in rescue, I offer a very reduced adoption fee for a PAIR of FELV+ cats. Usually, sadly, these cats do not find homes. At that point it's a personal choice, do YOU want to create a FELV+ sanctuary room at your rescue, or do you want to euthanise? Now, when it comes to deciding on sanctuary rooms, here's the tricky part. Do you make ONE room and mix FIV+ and FELV+ both in it, or do you make a FELV+ room, and a FIV+ room? And what do you do with a double positive cat with both FIV AND FELV? Most FIV+ cats are likely to catch the FELV if put in with FELV+ cats, BUT it's rare for a FELV+ to catch FIV from a FIV+ cat. So... Make a separate room for FIV and FELV, then if you have a double positive, put that cat in the FELV room. This way, you are keeping the FIV+ cats as FIV+ only, since they are the most likely to stay healthy long term, and also the more adoptable of the two. OR, you can just mix em all together and hope for the best, but then you can't make guarantees on adoption contracts either, unless you plan to retest the DAY the cat gets adopted, so you can be sure the cat is still negative before it goes through the door, since it's been in contact with positive cats. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
No, my logic behind the 1 month is, it's better than one week, and usually as long as most rescues are willing to wait to put a healthy "negative" cat up for adoption. If I'd said 120 days like you did (for a retest to assure a neg result) she probably would have been like "120 Days? I have to hold on to every cat I take in for 120 days?!" LOL! I find most rescue prefer a high turn-over rate, esp for healthy cats that appear to be perfectly ready to go up for adoption right away, it seems a little severe to make them sit in a cage in the non-adoptable section for 3 months JUST waiting for another blood test to confirm a negative result), when they could be up for adoption or even in a new home in that time frame. Most places don't retest at all to confirm negative ELISA snap tests, they just call em negative and send them up to the adoption center. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
I'm also saving the cat another blood draw at a later date by retesting for the FIV and the FELV at the same time. (which translates into saving the rescue $ too) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Lucy very sick again
At 03:46 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote: I habe had god luck with Baytril, just make sure the dosage is at a safe level not to causse eye problems. Most vets are aware of this and careful. Baytril saved Sammy my FIV cat, Kelly Baytril does help with URI's. It is very strong, though, and what gave Lucy the original diarrhea that started her IBD, so she can't get it. It works well, though. Michelle In a message dated 11/9/2006 7:59:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does Baytrill help with an URI? I hope Lucy starts feeling better soon. Cindy Reasoner No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
i go for separate rooms for FIVs and FeLVs, with FIV/FeLVs mixed with the FeLVs, unless all the FIVs were vaccinated against FeLV. even then, for public relations reasons, i'd probably keep them separate. yes, while many people think you shouldn't vaccinate FIV cats, there's no research showing they have any higher incidence of vaccination-related problems than any other cat, and in a multi-cat environment where newcomers always carry the risk of bringing in distemper, you really REALLY have to weigh the pros and cons of vaccination. distemper is a really nasty, mean death, and i wouldn't want to expose ANY cat to it--i vaccinate on legs instead of in the scruff, and use the vaccines least known to cause problems. i don't think there's any realresearch showing that a healthyFIV cat is any more likely to catch FeLV than a healthy non-FIV one. FIVs are actually generally VERY healthy, except for the higher incidence of problems with herpes and stomatitis. i know of a number of FIVs who tested positive initially for FeLV, were moved into FeLV environments, then tested negative later on at the same rate that the false positives did On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh and missed the what would I do part of that. In the case of FIV positive, I advertise the cat for adoption as FIV+ and provide educational links and brochures for people so they can learn about FIV and know that it's OK to have a FIV+ cat with other negative cats. These usually take about 6 months to a year to place. In the case of FELV, the same as above, except I advise that although FELV is not easily transmitted, it can be passed on to other cats in the household. I tell people that the cat deserves a home just like any other cat, and would be perfect for a home without other cats, or with other FELV+ cats, and if I have more than one in rescue, I offer a very reduced adoption fee for a PAIR of FELV+ cats.Usually, sadly, these cats do not find homes. At that point it's a personal choice, do YOU want to create a FELV+ sanctuary room at your rescue, or do you want to euthanise? Now, when it comes to deciding on sanctuary rooms, here's the tricky part. Do you make ONE room and mix FIV+ and FELV+ both in it, or do you make a FELV+ room, and a FIV+ room? And what do you do with a double positive cat with both FIV AND FELV? Most FIV+ cats are likely to catch the FELV if put in with FELV+ cats, BUT it's rare for a FELV+ to catch FIV from a FIV+ cat. So... Make a separate room for FIV and FELV, then if you have a double positive, put that cat in the FELV room. This way, you are keeping the FIV+ cats as FIV+ only, since they are the most likely to stay healthy long term, and also the more adoptable of the two. OR, you can just mix em all together and hope for the best, but then you can't make guarantees on adoption contracts either, unless you plan to retest the DAY the cat gets adopted, so you can be sure the cat is still negative before it goes through the door, since it's been in contact with positive cats. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.htmlNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
well, as long as it's free, which it may NOT remain, i guess the DNA test would be enough. i'll have to sit down and read UC Davis' research, tho, and get some feedback from the vets i've sent the info to before i take the validity and reliability of their DNA results as gospel. there have been other places that have said that their DNA testing was valid and reproducible, where it turned out not to be--it SHOULD be, but the problem til now was that it was very tricky, and different labs were getting different results using the same samples and same protocols. additionally, while i tend to trust UC Davis more than commercial labs, don't forget there are labs out there that SWEAR that they alone can diagnose FIP from living cats my verdict is still out plus, i guess i'm used to talking with people who don't know about the DNA testing--hell, too many vets and rescues don't even know about the western blot, and that's a well-established testing procedure for some vets, it's gonna be a lot easier to send a sample to the lab they regularly use than to learn new procedures for the UC tests--ie, they will prefer to do a western blot in the first place. On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MC, why do the western blot at all? The DNA test is a sure thing the way I see it, the DNA test has made the western blot obsolete. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.htmlNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
One of the vet sites does specifically mention that "Young cats and kittens under one year of age, and cats with compromised immune systems are more susceptible to FELV." FIV is "immunodefiency syndrome" thus plopping them right directly into that "compromised immune system" category that's more susceptible to FELV. Mind you, even the vet sites are often full of shit as far as having solid research to back up their statements and policy. (I think this was the Cornell site) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
True. But then there's you and me woman, we must educate the world! (say the educate the world part in cartoon super-hero voice, while pumping fist into the air andsticking out chest) I wish I wasn't broke and out of ink in my printer. I would print off that webpage about the DNA FIVtesting and hand deliver a copy to every vet in a 30 mile radius. Until we get out and really MAKE the vets learn, then nothing's every going to improve. It's up to us, as cat owners to MAKE SURE the info gets to the vets in each of our communities. Trust me, I've hand delivered many a new veterinary technology flyer to my vets, they so far have not appeared insulted in the least! In fact, when I sent that out to the list the first time, I CC'd a copy to my vet's office. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
At 04:25 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote: Yup..It is what we do regularly isn't it. I also ask for their private email addresses and send stuff on that way. Kelly True. But then there's you and me woman, we must educate the world! (say the educate the world part in cartoon super-hero voice, while pumping fist into the air and sticking out chest) I wish I wasn't broke and out of ink in my printer. I would print off that webpage about the DNA FIV testing and hand deliver a copy to every vet in a 30 mile radius. Until we get out and really MAKE the vets learn, then nothing's every going to improve. It's up to us, as cat owners to MAKE SURE the info gets to the vets in each of our communities. Trust me, I've hand delivered many a new veterinary technology flyer to my vets, they so far have not appeared insulted in the least! In fact, when I sent that out to the list the first time, I CC'd a copy to my vet's office. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
At 04:25 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote: I printed out the information regarding Alferon to several vets who are now passing it on to theri cliets, True. But then there's you and me woman, we must educate the world! (say the educate the world part in cartoon super-hero voice, while pumping fist into the air and sticking out chest) I wish I wasn't broke and out of ink in my printer. I would print off that webpage about the DNA FIV testing and hand deliver a copy to every vet in a 30 mile radius. Until we get out and really MAKE the vets learn, then nothing's every going to improve. It's up to us, as cat owners to MAKE SURE the info gets to the vets in each of our communities. Trust me, I've hand delivered many a new veterinary technology flyer to my vets, they so far have not appeared insulted in the least! In fact, when I sent that out to the list the first time, I CC'd a copy to my vet's office. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
oh, well, yeah, i'm talking about healthy adults--i wouldn't put kittens or elders with ANY special-needs groups. the issue is how immune compromised FIVs truly are remember, FIV is a NAME, just as FIP is--and was given that nameduring the heyday of the HIV/AIDS panic, when not that much was even known about the human condition. so just cuz it's CALLED immunodeficiency syndrome, doesn't mean that's actually an accurate characterization. considering that most FIVs die WITH the virus, rather than from it, often at ages 15 and up, one has to wonder how they're defining compromised when the only group of cats in a 400+ environment who did NOT get distemper were the 100 or so FIVs, well, one has to wonder On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the vet sites does specifically mention that Young cats and kittens under one year of age, and cats with compromised immune systems are more susceptible to FELV. FIV is immunodefiency syndrome thus plopping them right directly into that compromised immune system category that's more susceptible to FELV. Mind you, even the vet sites are often full of shit as far as having solid research to back up their statements and policy. (I think this was the Cornell site) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.htmlNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
Oh, so very true, and that had not occurred to me! They even say on one of the FIP webpages that FIP has absolutely nothing to do withinfection of the peritonealtissue, that the name came from the first stages of research when they were unsure of it's exact pathology. So, yeah, it's possible that FIV has absolutely nothing to do with having a compromised immune system, I suppose! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
At 04:35 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote: My FIV cat is not the concern my FELV cat is, With a shelter there is a liability issue also, Remember the public is not as informed either. Kelly oh, well, yeah, i'm talking about healthy adults--i wouldn't put kittens or elders with ANY special-needs groups. the issue is how immune compromised FIVs truly are remember, FIV is a NAME, just as FIP is--and was given that name during the heyday of the HIV/AIDS panic, when not that much was even known about the human condition. so just cuz it's CALLED immunodeficiency syndrome, doesn't mean that's actually an accurate characterization. considering that most FIVs die WITH the virus, rather than from it, often at ages 15 and up, one has to wonder how they're defining compromised when the only group of cats in a 400+ environment who did NOT get distemper were the 100 or so FIVs, well, one has to wonder On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the vet sites does specifically mention that Young cats and kittens under one year of age, and cats with compromised immune systems are more susceptible to FELV. FIV is immunodefiency syndrome thus plopping them right directly into that compromised immune system category that's more susceptible to FELV. Mind you, even the vet sites are often full of shit as far as having solid research to back up their statements and policy. (I think this was the Cornell site) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
FIV is classified as a retro-virus, so i'm not saying there's no consequences, or that some FIVs don't have major problems. it just seems that those that do develop consistently are fairly treatable--the mouth problems from herpes, for example--and that if major medical problems are to occur, they occur so late in the progression of the disease that the cat is quite elderly (if not already dead). i think there are a number of human diseases that affect the immune system that are not consistently problematic or severe. (lupus comes to mind--in its worst forms, it's a horrid disease, but there's a lot of folks with milder forms who don't have a tremendous amount of trouble with it. immune compromised has come to mean, in all creatures, dying of AIDS, and leaves no room for a continuum of symptoms or conditions who ever heard much of immune-system problems before HIV/AIDS? but you can be sure that humans have had them a lot longer than that! but we don't hear about the mild cases of things, because they're not inspiring, or heart-wrenching enough life in the media age. On 11/12/06, kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:35 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote:My FIV cat is not the concern my FELV cat is, With a shelter there is a liability issue also, Remember the public is not as informed either.Kelly oh, well, yeah, i'm talking about healthy adults--i wouldn't put kittens or elders with ANY special-needs groups.the issue is how immune compromised FIVs truly are remember, FIV is a NAME, just as FIP is--and was given that name during the heyday of the HIV/AIDS panic, when not that much was even known about the human condition. so just cuz it's CALLED immunodeficiency syndrome, doesn't mean that's actually an accurate characterization. considering that most FIVs die WITH the virus, rather than from it, often at ages 15 and up, one has to wonder how they're defining compromised when the only group of cats in a 400+ environment who did NOT get distemper were the 100 or so FIVs, well, one has to wonderOn 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the vet sites does specifically mention that Young cats and kittens under one year of age, and cats with compromised immune systems are more susceptible to FELV. FIV is immunodefiency syndrome thus plopping them right directly into that compromised immune system category that's more susceptible to FELV. Mind you, even the vet sites are often full of shit as far as having solid research to back up their statements and policy. (I think this was the Cornell site) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
As a child that spent most of her childhood in and out of hospitals, you can be sure Iknew whatimmune compromised meant before I could read. :) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
well, yes, but you are NOT a normal, run-of-the-mill human! (in more ways than i can count! :::fleaing) On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a child that spent most of her childhood in and out of hospitals, you can be sure Iknew whatimmune compromised meant before I could read. :) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.htmlNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Interferon treatment for Felk asymptomatic kitties
My vet starts FeLV cats on interferon alpha whether or not they're showing any symptoms. Ember has been on it ever since she tested positive. I know there are others here who also have asymptomatic FeLV cats on interferon alpha.I think it's a good can't hurt/might help precaution. Along these lines, I'd be curious to know the difference (if any) between the different interferon alpha options. I've seen Roferon and several others. Is it all pretty much the same stuff? Also, do most people giving FeLV+ cats interferon alpha follow the seven on/seven off protocol, or do they give it every day? Lance
RE: Interferon treatment for Felk asymptomatic kitties
Hi, thank you for your response. The only thing with human alpha is that kitties will eventually develop antibodies to it and will stop working after several weeks (and don't know how it does with 7 days on and 7 days off protocol) -- With FOI - you won't have to worry about it .. I don't know how it does with Alferon - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 7:37 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Interferon treatment for Felk asymptomatic kitties My vet starts FeLV cats on interferon alpha whether or not they're showing any symptoms. Ember has been on it ever since she tested positive. I know there are others here who also have asymptomatic FeLV cats on interferon alpha.I think it's a good can't hurt/might help precaution. Along these lines, I'd be curious to know the difference (if any) between the different interferon alpha options. I've seen Roferon and several others. Is it all pretty much the same stuff? Also, do most people giving FeLV+ cats interferon alpha follow the seven on/seven off protocol, or do they give it every day? Lance
