Miss Kitty
Brenda- I am so sorry that Miss Kitty has gone ahead to join her babies. What a wonferful life and love you gave them while they were here. Their love will surround you always until you meet again. I know what a sad time this is-please know you are in my heart and prayers for the same peace and strength you gave your babies. Take care. Roxanne
[Felvtalk] Ozzy & Miss Kitty
Well, good news and not so good news. The cat that originally started all of this, Ozzy, is definitely an older cat and as I suspected, he tested positive for FIV although neg for FeLV. As he is obviously a battle veteran and drew blood from the person who originally rescued him too, indications are he will be more than happy to fight others and share the virus. He was also loaded with tape worms which men's Miss Kitty likely has them too so I have to dose them both for that. The vet couldn't give me an estimate of Ozzy's age other than to say he was no spring chicken. Why? Because he has almost NO teeth. One canine was intact but the rest were broken or missing. He removed a couple of the broken ones but says there were many that were just roots and there was nothing he could do short of major surgery. Says his gums are in surprisingly good condition, he just has no teeth. Suspect many were broken in fights. It is amazing to me how he puts away dry cat food - LOTS of it - when he has no teeth! Technically, a fighter like Oz should be quarantined for the rest of his life cause of the FIV. If I were to do that it would mean keeping him in my master bathroom. Not too fond of that idea. Only other option is to make him an outdoor cat and I don't like that either. If he starts spraying that will be my only option tho I suspect. Even tho neutered now he has been around long enuff marking is a natural thing for him and will likely continue. Now for the good news. Miss Kitty came thru with a clean bill of health, got her vaccinations, and goes back in 4 weeks for her boosters. Total bill this time around was $168. Both are now back in the master bathroom while I "gird my loins" and prepare to dose them for worms. I think Oz will take his in a bit of canned cat food but Miss Kitty turns her nose up at anything from a can so hers will have to be a pill. I will let all know if I survive! ;-) Kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty
Tomorrow morning Ozzy goes in for neuter, exam, testing and vaccinations. Following day Miss Kitty goes with me to pick up Ozzy to get her exam and vaccinations. Gonna have to rob a bank for this but want to get it done quickly as Oz is causing some unrest within the ranks. My other cats seem to be jealous of an intact male and wanna get thru the door to prove they were here first - or something! So far they are both doing well. Kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy & Miss Kitty
Since Ozzy has no teeth, even if he fights, he can't spread FIV because FIV is spread by deep biting during a cat fight. He can't spread it through a scratch or through any non-violent contact with any of your cats. I have about 3 FIV+ cats mixed in with my my regular gang and no one is any the worse for it. About the spraying, once his hormones go away, even if he sprays occasionally (and all cats do that when nervous or angry on occasion) it won't smell terrible. I have several bad boys who do the spray thing from time to time just to keep in practice. It's a matter of pail and mop and that's mostly it. I use Simple Green Anti-virus cleaning product. It smells like a cleaning product when I'm mopping, but leaves the room smelling of nothing and nice and clean too. It comes in a half gallon size, is green in color. There are several types of Simple Green. The one I use is a concentrate. An ounce (shot glass for measure) in 2 to 3 gallons of wash water does wonders and I have at least 22 cats in a large room. They are NOT polite or well behaved cats either, but I still don't have to dig the house under. For more information about FIV+ and mixing positives and negatives together, you may want to join the FIV2 Yahoo Group and read the files or make contact with some of the members. Whatever you do, don't allow any vet to sell you the FIV vaccination. It turns a cat positive upon testing and will jeopardize negative cats because some vets and shelters still euthanize FIV+ cats for no reason except misinformation about the situation. Great news about Miss Kitty though. Females rarely get FIV because mostly, males are very polite to them but if the male cat grabs them by the neck too roughly during mating, it may turn into a bite and therefore infect the cat. But males don't usually do this. They don't want to kill the female, just impregnate her. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Green To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia org" Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:06 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ozzy & Miss Kitty Well, good news and not so good news. The cat that originally started all of this, Ozzy, is definitely an older cat and as I suspected, he tested positive for FIV although neg for FeLV. As he is obviously a battle veteran and drew blood from the person who originally rescued him too, indications are he will be more than happy to fight others and share the virus. He was also loaded with tape worms which men's Miss Kitty likely has them too so I have to dose them both for that. The vet couldn't give me an estimate of Ozzy's age other than to say he was no spring chicken. Why? Because he has almost NO teeth. One canine was intact but the rest were broken or missing. He removed a couple of the broken ones but says there were many that were just roots and there was nothing he could do short of major surgery. Says his gums are in surprisingly good condition, he just has no teeth. Suspect many were broken in fights. It is amazing to me how he puts away dry cat food - LOTS of it - when he has no teeth! Technically, a fighter like Oz should be quarantined for the rest of his life cause of the FIV. If I were to do that it would mean keeping him in my master bathroom. Not too fond of that idea. Only other option is to make him an outdoor cat and I don't like that either. If he starts spraying that will be my only option tho I suspect. Even tho neutered now he has been around long enuff marking is a natural thing for him and will likely continue. Now for the good news. Miss Kitty came thru with a clean bill of health, got her vaccinations, and goes back in 4 weeks for her boosters. Total bill this time around was $168. Both are now back in the master bathroom while I "gird my loins" and prepare to dose them for worms. I think Oz will take his in a bit of canned cat food but Miss Kitty turns her nose up at anything from a can so hers will have to be a pill. I will let all know if I survive! ;-) Kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy & Miss Kitty
I guess there is a silver lining in every cloud Lee. And this silver lining is that he has no teeth(-: Sad for Ozzy, but great for everyone he is living with! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Lee Evans wrote: > Since Ozzy has no teeth, even if he fights, he can't spread FIV because FIV > is spread by deep biting during a cat fight. He can't spread it through a > scratch or through any non-violent contact with any of your cats. I have > about 3 FIV+ cats mixed in with my my regular gang and no one is any the > worse for it. About the spraying, once his hormones go away, even if he > sprays occasionally (and all cats do that when nervous or angry on occasion) > it won't smell terrible. I have several bad boys who do the spray thing from > time to time just to keep in practice. It's a matter of pail and mop and > that's mostly it. I use Simple Green Anti-virus cleaning product. It smells > like a cleaning product when I'm mopping, but leaves the room smelling of > nothing and nice and clean too. It comes in a half gallon size, is green in > color. There are several types of Simple Green. The one I use is a > concentrate. An ounce (shot glass for measure) in 2 to 3 gallons of wash > water does wonders and I have at least 22 cats in a large room. They are NOT > polite or well behaved cats either, but I still don't have to dig the house > under. > > For more information about FIV+ and mixing positives and negatives together, > you may want to join the FIV2 Yahoo Group and read the files or make contact > with some of the members. Whatever you do, don't allow any vet to sell you > the FIV vaccination. It turns a cat positive upon testing and will > jeopardize negative cats because some vets and shelters still euthanize FIV+ > cats for no reason except misinformation about the situation. > > Great news about Miss Kitty though. Females rarely get FIV because mostly, > males are very polite to them but if the male cat grabs them by the neck too > roughly during mating, it may turn into a bite and therefore infect the cat. > But males don't usually do this. They don't want to kill the female, just > impregnate her. > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > From: Kathryn Green > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia org" > Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:06 AM > Subject: [Felvtalk] Ozzy & Miss Kitty > > Well, good news and not so good news. > > The cat that originally started all of this, Ozzy, is definitely an > older cat and as I suspected, he tested positive for FIV although neg > for FeLV. As he is obviously a battle veteran and drew blood from the > person who originally rescued him too, indications are he will be > more than happy to fight others and share the virus. He was also > loaded with tape worms which men's Miss Kitty likely has them too so I > have to dose them both for that. > > The vet couldn't give me an estimate of Ozzy's age other than to say > he was no spring chicken. Why? Because he has almost NO teeth. One > canine was intact but the rest were broken or missing. He removed a > couple of the broken ones but says there were many that were just > roots and there was nothing he could do short of major surgery. Says > his gums are in surprisingly good condition, he just has no teeth. > Suspect many were broken in fights. It is amazing to me how he puts > away dry cat food - LOTS of it - when he has no teeth! > > Technically, a fighter like Oz should be quarantined for the rest of > his life cause of the FIV. If I were to do that it would mean keeping > him in my master bathroom. Not too fond of that idea. Only other > option is to make him an outdoor cat and I don't like that either. If > he starts spraying that will be my only option tho I suspect. Even > tho neutered now he has been around long enuff marking is a natural > thing for him and will likely continue. > > Now for the good news. Miss Kitty came thru with a clean bill of > health, got her vaccinations, and goes back in 4 weeks for her > boosters. > > Total bill this time around was $168. > > Both are now back in the master bathroom while I "gird my loins" and > prepare to dose them for worms. I think Oz will take his in a bit of > canned cat food but Miss Kitty turns her nose up at anything from a > can so hers will have to be a pill. I will let all know if I survive! > ;-) > > Kat > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/fe
Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy & Miss Kitty
I have several cats with no teeth who knock back the dry food like it's their last meal. Cats don't really chew very much unless they catch a very tough mouse. Mostly, they give their food a few chomps and down it goes. They have a very high acid content in their stomach that does the rest of the digesting. If we ate like cats do, we'd be floating like blimps all the time because our digestive system depends on mixing saliva with the food to begin digestion in earnest. If you notice, when you rush a meal to get to work or an appointment, you end up bloated and uncomfortable for the rest of the day. At least I do. But cats, being lazy little critters, just go chomp/gulp and it's over. Also the good news. Kathryn might want to have that last canine removed. It's not serving any purpose and to be on the safe side, it's OK for Ozzy not to have it. Also, at some point in time, when Ozzy has recovered from all his ordeals and is settled in, I would recommend that the rotten roots be removed also. As they decay in his gums they could lead to infection, either locally or systemic. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marcia To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy & Miss Kitty I guess there is a silver lining in every cloud Lee. And this silver lining is that he has no teeth(-: Sad for Ozzy, but great for everyone he is living with! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Lee Evans wrote: Since Ozzy has no teeth, even if he fights, he can't spread FIV because FIV is spread by deep biting during a cat fight. He can't spread it through a scratch or through any non-violent contact with any of your cats. I have about 3 FIV+ cats mixed in with my my regular gang and no one is any the worse for it. About the spraying, once his hormones go away, even if he sprays occasionally (and all cats do that when nervous or angry on occasion) it won't smell terrible. I have several bad boys who do the spray thing from time to time just to keep in practice. It's a matter of pail and mop and that's mostly it. I use Simple Green Anti-virus cleaning product. It smells like a cleaning product when I'm mopping, but leaves the room smelling of nothing and nice and clean too. It comes in a half gallon size, is green in color. There are several types of Simple Green. The one I use is a concentrate. An ounce (shot glass for measure) in 2 to 3 gallons of wash water does wonders and I have at least 22 cats in a large room. They are NOT polite or well behaved cats either, but I still don't have to dig the house under. > >For more information about FIV+ and mixing positives and negatives together, >you may want to join the FIV2 Yahoo Group and read the files or make contact >with some of the members. Whatever you do, don't allow any vet to sell you the >FIV vaccination. It turns a cat positive upon testing and will jeopardize >negative cats because some vets and shelters still euthanize FIV+ cats for no >reason except misinformation about the situation. > >Great news about Miss Kitty though. Females rarely get FIV because mostly, >males are very polite to them but if the male cat grabs them by the neck too >roughly during mating, it may turn into a bite and therefore infect the cat. But males don't usually do this. They don't want to kill the female, just impregnate her. > > > >Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty >neighbors too! > > > > > >____ > From: Kathryn Green >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia org" >Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:06 AM >Subject: [Felvtalk] Ozzy & Miss Kitty > >Well, good news and not so good news. > >The cat that originally started all of this, Ozzy, is definitely an >older cat and as I suspected, he tested positive for FIV although neg >for FeLV. As he is obviously a battle veteran and drew blood from the >person who originally rescued him too, indications are he will be >more than happy to fight others and share the virus. He was also >loaded with tape worms which men's Miss Kitty likely has them too so I >have to dose them both for that. > >The vet couldn't give me an estimate of Ozzy's age other than to say >he was no spring chicken. Why? Because he has almost NO teeth. One >canine was intact but the rest were broken or missing. He removed a >couple of the broken ones but says there were many that were just >roots and there was nothing he could do short of major surgery. Says >his gums are in surprisingly good condition, he just has no teeth. >
Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy & Miss Kitty
No, lol, FIV cannot infect a human being. You can be chewed on like a rubber toy and still nothing. I have been dealing with FIV+ and FeLv+ cats for over 20 years, bitten, scratched and snarled at, pilled them, cleaned up after them. I'm still here, relatively healthy and no cat diseases. You can't catch a cold from a cat either. It's just not a take. Viruses are very specifically programmed to each species. I'm sure they do cross species occasionally but not very often. That's why chimps used in HIV experiments are a very poor prototype for trying to develop a human vaccine. They just don't get the same effect from HIV virus as humans. But hey, some vets are so misinformed that they won't even be able to answer the question. As for his teeth stumps, the bite has to be DEEP. He can't bite with stumps of teeth but as you say, just to be safe, you can have them removed. It will benefit Oz and will ease your mind. Mostly, when neutered cats have a fight in the house, they smack each other with paws. If they do mix it up, it's briefly and toothless cats do no harm. Around here, FIV is not an issue since it's not environmental. I do have a separate sanctuary for 5 of my FIV cats because I started rescuing around 7 years ago when the information was still hazy about whether or not it was contagious and I do add contentious cats with teeth to my FIV group but I really don't think Ozzy would be a candidate for my group if he were here. After his hormones go away, he will also be more docile and less likely to do battle with anything but a mousy. So keep him where he is. Don't put him out or send him away. Just feed him until he's too fat to move very fast, get that last canine removed and enjoy the wonderful work you did taking these two orphans. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Green To: Lee Evans Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy & Miss Kitty Good info and I thank you. I hadn't really thought it all through about him having almost no teeth - although he does still have that one canine and some stumps so he isn't a 100% safe Kitty for the other cats. Maybe less worry than I thought but still the potential. Marcia's brother was the original rescuer and Ozzy scratched him up quite a bit tho I don't think he bit him. Does anybody know if FIV can affect humans in any way if a positive cat bites? I would think not but don't know for sure. Thanks for the info an the cleaner too although it is a standing joke with my friends that the name of the product is NOT Simple Green, it is Intelligent Green.Green being my last name and all. ;-) Kat Lee Evans wrote: Since Ozzy has no teeth, even if he fights, he can't spread FIV because FIV is spread by deep biting during a cat fight. He can't spread it through a scratch or through any non-violent contact with any of your cats. I have about 3 FIV+ cats mixed in with my my regular gang and no one is any the worse for it. About the spraying, once his hormones go away, even if he sprays occasionally (and all cats do that when nervous or angry on occasion) it won't smell terrible. I have several bad boys who do the spray thing from time to time just to keep in practice. It's a matter of pail and mop and that's mostly it. I use Simple Green Anti-virus cleaning product. It smells like a cleaning product when I'm mopping, but leaves the room smelling of nothing and nice and clean too. It comes in a half gallon size, is green in color. There are several types of Simple Green. The one I use is a concentrate. An ounce (shot glass for measure) in 2 to 3 gallons of wash water does wonders and I have at least 22 cats in a large room. They are NOT polite or well behaved cats either, but I still don't have to dig the house under. For more information about FIV+ and mixing positives and negatives together, you may want to join the FIV2 Yahoo Group and read the files or make contact with some of the members. Whatever you do, don't allow any vet to sell you the FIV vaccination. It turns a cat positive upon testing and will jeopardize negative cats because some vets and shelters still euthanize FIV+ cats for no reason except misinformation about the situation. Great news about Miss Kitty though. Females rarely get FIV because mostly, males are very polite to them but if the male cat grabs them by the neck too roughly during mating, it may turn into a bite and therefore infect the cat. But males don't usually do this. They don't want to kill the female, just impregnate her. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ____
Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy & Miss Kitty
You are a very smart cookie(: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 3, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Lee Evans wrote: > I have several cats with no teeth who knock back the dry food like it's their > last meal. Cats don't really chew very much unless they catch a very tough > mouse. Mostly, they give their food a few chomps and down it goes. They > have a very high acid content in their stomach that does the rest of the > digesting. If we ate like cats do, we'd be floating like blimps all the > time because our digestive system depends on mixing saliva with the food to > begin digestion in earnest. If you notice, when you rush a meal to get to > work or an appointment, you end up bloated and uncomfortable for the rest of > the day. At least I do. But cats, being lazy little critters, just go > chomp/gulp and it's over. Also the good news. > > Kathryn might want to have that last canine removed. It's not serving any > purpose and to be on the safe side, it's OK for Ozzy not to have it. Also, > at some point in time, when Ozzy has recovered from all his ordeals and is > settled in, I would recommend that the rotten roots be removed also. As they > decay in his gums they could lead to infection, either locally or systemic. > > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > From: Marcia > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:43 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy & Miss Kitty > > I guess there is a silver lining in every cloud Lee. And this silver lining > is that he has no teeth(-: Sad for Ozzy, but great for everyone he is living > with! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 3, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Lee Evans wrote: > >> Since Ozzy has no teeth, even if he fights, he can't spread FIV because FIV >> is spread by deep biting during a cat fight. He can't spread it through a >> scratch or through any non-violent contact with any of your cats. I have >> about 3 FIV+ cats mixed in with my my regular gang and no one is any the >> worse for it. About the spraying, once his hormones go away, even if he >> sprays occasionally (and all cats do that when nervous or angry on occasion) >> it won't smell terrible. I have several bad boys who do the spray thing >> from time to time just to keep in practice. It's a matter of pail and mop >> and that's mostly it. I use Simple Green Anti-virus cleaning product. It >> smells like a cleaning product when I'm mopping, but leaves the room >> smelling of nothing and nice and clean too. It comes in a half gallon size, >> is green in color. There are several types of Simple Green. The one I use >> is a concentrate. An ounce (shot glass for measure) in 2 to 3 gallons of >> wash water does wonders and I have at least 22 cats in a large room. They >> are NOT polite or well behaved cats either, but I still don't have to dig >> the house under. >> >> For more information about FIV+ and mixing positives and negatives together, >> you may want to join the FIV2 Yahoo Group and read the files or make contact >> with some of the members. Whatever you do, don't allow any vet to sell you >> the FIV vaccination. It turns a cat positive upon testing and will >> jeopardize negative cats because some vets and shelters still euthanize FIV+ >> cats for no reason except misinformation about the situation. >> >> Great news about Miss Kitty though. Females rarely get FIV because mostly, >> males are very polite to them but if the male cat grabs them by the neck too >> roughly during mating, it may turn into a bite and therefore infect the cat. >> But males don't usually do this. They don't want to kill the female, just >> impregnate her. >> >> >> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty >> neighbors too! >> >> >> From: Kathryn Green >> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia org" >> Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:06 AM >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Ozzy & Miss Kitty >> >> Well, good news and not so good news. >> >> The cat that originally started all of this, Ozzy, is definitely an >> older cat and as I suspected, he tested positive for FIV although neg >> for FeLV. As he is obviously a battle veteran and drew blood from the >> person who originally rescued him too, indications are he will be >> more than happy to fight others and share the virus. He was also >> loaded with tape
Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy & Miss Kitty
Amen to that Lee! I think Ozzy will calm down and really appreciate being rescued, Kathryn. Somehow they just know it. He will like having his food served to him on a plate instead of having to scrounge for it. You did a very wonderful thing Kat. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > No, lol, FIV cannot infect a human being. You can be chewed on like a rubber > toy and still nothing. I have been dealing with FIV+ and FeLv+ cats for over > 20 years, bitten, scratched and snarled at, pilled them, cleaned up after > them. I'm still here, relatively healthy and no cat diseases. You can't > catch a cold from a cat either. It's just not a take. Viruses are very > specifically programmed to each species. I'm sure they do cross species > occasionally but not very often. That's why chimps used in HIV experiments > are a very poor prototype for trying to develop a human vaccine. They just > don't get the same effect from HIV virus as humans. But hey, some vets are > so misinformed that they won't even be able to answer the question. > > As for his teeth stumps, the bite has to be DEEP. He can't bite with stumps > of teeth but as you say, just to be safe, you can have them removed. It will > benefit Oz and will ease your mind. Mostly, when neutered cats have a fight > in the house, they smack each other with paws. If they do mix it up, it's > briefly and toothless cats do no harm. Around here, FIV is not an issue > since it's not environmental. I do have a separate sanctuary for 5 of my FIV > cats because I started rescuing around 7 years ago when the information was > still hazy about whether or not it was contagious and I do add contentious > cats with teeth to my FIV group but I really don't think Ozzy would be a > candidate for my group if he were here. After his hormones go away, he will > also be more docile and less likely to do battle with anything but a mousy. > So keep him where he is. Don't put him out or send him away. Just feed him > until he's too fat to move very fast, get that last canine removed and enjoy > the wonderful work you did taking these two orphans. > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > From: Kathryn Green > To: Lee Evans > Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy & Miss Kitty > > Good info and I thank you. I hadn't really thought it all through about him > having almost no teeth - although he does still have that one canine and some > stumps so he isn't a 100% safe Kitty for the other cats. Maybe less worry > than I thought but still the potential. > Marcia's brother was the original rescuer and Ozzy scratched him up quite a > bit tho I don't think he bit him. Does anybody know if FIV can affect humans > in any way if a positive cat bites? I would think not but don't know for sure. > Thanks for the info an the cleaner too although it is a standing joke with my > friends that the name of the product is NOT Simple Green, it is Intelligent > Green.Green being my last name and all. > ;-) > Kat > Lee Evans wrote: > Since Ozzy has no teeth, even if he fights, he can't spread FIV because FIV > is spread by deep biting during a cat fight. He can't spread it through a > scratch or through any non-violent contact with any of your cats. I have > about 3 FIV+ cats mixed in with my my regular gang and no one is any the > worse for it. About the spraying, once his hormones go away, even if he > sprays occasionally (and all cats do that when nervous or angry on occasion) > it won't smell terrible. I have several bad boys who do the spray thing from > time to time just to keep in practice. It's a matter of pail and mop and > that's mostly it. I use Simple Green Anti-virus cleaning product. It smells > like a cleaning product when I'm mopping, but leaves the room smelling of > nothing and nice and clean too. It comes in a half gallon size, is green in > color. There are several types of Simple Green. The one I use is a > concentrate. An ounce (shot glass for measure) in 2 to 3 gallons of wash > water does wonders and I have at least 22 cats in a large room. They are NOT > polite or well behaved cats either, but I still don't have to dig the house > under. > > For more information about FIV+ and mixing positives and negatives together, > you may want to join the FIV2 Yahoo Group and read the files or make contact > with some of the members. Whatever you do, don't allow any vet to sell you > the FIV vacc
Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty
You might want to spray something around Ozzy's door to neutralize the scent of an intact cat or your other male cats might begin trying to scent things their way and you will be mopping up a whole lot of cat pee. There are sprays with pheromones, odor neutralizing sprays and even a catnip spray with natural catnip oil. That may be something to get the cats excited about Ozzy in a positive way. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Green To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia org" Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 12:10 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty Tomorrow morning Ozzy goes in for neuter, exam, testing and vaccinations. Following day Miss Kitty goes with me to pick up Ozzy to get her exam and vaccinations. Gonna have to rob a bank for this but want to get it done quickly as Oz is causing some unrest within the ranks. My other cats seem to be jealous of an intact male and wanna get thru the door to prove they were here first - or something! So far they are both doing well. Kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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"Felaway" or "Pet-tastc"(cat formula) are great scent neutralizers! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 1, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Kathryn Green wrote: > Tomorrow morning Ozzy goes in for neuter, exam, testing and > vaccinations. Following day Miss Kitty goes with me to pick up Ozzy > to get her exam and vaccinations. > > Gonna have to rob a bank for this but want to get it done quickly as > Oz is causing some unrest within the ranks. My other cats seem to be > jealous of an intact male and wanna get thru the door to prove they > were here first - or something! > > So far they are both doing well. > > Kat > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Plan on keeping Ozzy locked up for a few weeks after his neuter. It takes at least 2 or 3 weeks for that boy smell to go away. (And it just seems to permeate the house. You may want to cage Ozzy as far away from the living quarters as possible.) From: Lee Evans To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty You might want to spray something around Ozzy's door to neutralize the scent of an intact cat or your other male cats might begin trying to scent things their way and you will be mopping up a whole lot of cat pee. There are sprays with pheromones, odor neutralizing sprays and even a catnip spray with natural catnip oil. That may be something to get the cats excited about Ozzy in a positive way. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Green To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia org" Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 12:10 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty Tomorrow morning Ozzy goes in for neuter, exam, testing and vaccinations. Following day Miss Kitty goes with me to pick up Ozzy to get her exam and vaccinations. Gonna have to rob a bank for this but want to get it done quickly as Oz is causing some unrest within the ranks. My other cats seem to be jealous of an intact male and wanna get thru the door to prove they were here first - or something! So far they are both doing well. Kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks all. Surprisingly, Oz appears to have sprayed once and nothing since. When I brought him home from the vet his poor mouth hurt and all he did was drink water and sleep. Now he is up and about, tried leaving the bathroom once, and while the other cats hissed at him and the dog tried to chase him, nobody sprayed or fought. Miss Kitty hisses at everybody so they hiss back. It will take a while. I did get some felaway today to keep on hand. Kat On 11/1/12, Kathryn Green wrote: > Tomorrow morning Ozzy goes in for neuter, exam, testing and > vaccinations. Following day Miss Kitty goes with me to pick up Ozzy > to get her exam and vaccinations. > > Gonna have to rob a bank for this but want to get it done quickly as > Oz is causing some unrest within the ranks. My other cats seem to be > jealous of an intact male and wanna get thru the door to prove they > were here first - or something! > > So far they are both doing well. > > Kat > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Kat, you have such a big heart. Oz, Miss Kitty are lucky felines. Thanks everybody in this group for being so supportive to animals & their humans. On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 12:18 PM, katskat1 wrote: > Thanks all. > > Surprisingly, Oz appears to have sprayed once and nothing since. When > I brought him home from the vet his poor mouth hurt and all he did was > drink water and sleep. Now he is up and about, tried leaving the > bathroom once, and while the other cats hissed at him and the dog > tried to chase him, nobody sprayed or fought. Miss Kitty hisses at > everybody so they hiss back. It will take a while. > > I did get some felaway today to keep on hand. > > Kat > > On 11/1/12, Kathryn Green wrote: > > Tomorrow morning Ozzy goes in for neuter, exam, testing and > > vaccinations. Following day Miss Kitty goes with me to pick up Ozzy > > to get her exam and vaccinations. > > > > Gonna have to rob a bank for this but want to get it done quickly as > > Oz is causing some unrest within the ranks. My other cats seem to be > > jealous of an intact male and wanna get thru the door to prove they > > were here first - or something! > > > > So far they are both doing well. > > > > Kat > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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If the dog doesn't try to make Oz into a snack, the two will eventually get used to each other and set ground rules. As for Oz and spraying, it's sometimes the neighborhood fighters that give up the whole thing as a bad idea once they find themselves neutered and cared for by a loving human and never spray again. Like I said in another post on this topic, the horrid odor that accompanies an intact male cat totally disappears once they are neutered and all that you are left with is a spritz of pee that can be washed off with lemon detergent or something else pleasant. Most of my enthusiastic sprayers gave it up after they realized that they were living with a family of rescued cats, no one was their enemy any more and they didn't have to set territorial boundaries. Now they stick to having a hissy fit occasionally, maybe a face slapping contest but I haven't had a real battle or full wall spray job in over two years. My problem here is that lots of the cats "think" outside of the box. This is an issue that calls for a plastic paint scraper to pick up the offering and a bucket lined with a plastic bag to drop it in. After everything is cleaned up, it's mop and pail time and the house is back to normal until the next day. Sigh. For this I needed a college degree. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! > > From: Martha Walton >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 11:22 AM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty > > >Kat, you have such a big heart. Oz, Miss Kitty are lucky felines. Thanks >everybody in this group for being so supportive to animals & their humans. > > >On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 12:18 PM, katskat1 wrote: > >Thanks all. >> >>Surprisingly, Oz appears to have sprayed once and nothing since. When >>I brought him home from the vet his poor mouth hurt and all he did was >>drink water and sleep. Now he is up and about, tried leaving the >>bathroom once, and while the other cats hissed at him and the dog >>tried to chase him, nobody sprayed or fought. Miss Kitty hisses at >>everybody so they hiss back. It will take a while. >> >>I did get some felaway today to keep on hand. >> >>Kat >> >>On 11/1/12, Kathryn Green wrote: >>> Tomorrow morning Ozzy goes in for neuter, exam, testing and >>> vaccinations. Following day Miss Kitty goes with me to pick up Ozzy >>> to get her exam and vaccinations. >>> >>> Gonna have to rob a bank for this but want to get it done quickly as >>> Oz is causing some unrest within the ranks. My other cats seem to be >>> jealous of an intact male and wanna get thru the door to prove they >>> were here first - or something! >>> >>> So far they are both doing well. >>> >>> Kat >>> >> >>___ >>Felvtalk mailing list >>Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lee, I don't think Oz is going to end up being a sprayer but we will have to wait and see how he handles it once he come out of solitude and, hopefully, begins interacting with the other cats. I suspect he may end up being a loner but that remains to be seen. As for clean up with mop and pail, my problem is the carpeting in the bedrooms. I have laminate flooring in the kitchen/lr/dr but carpet in the bedroom which is, of course where he sprayed his smelly tomcat marker. Right on the doorframe between the master bath and bedroom. I found that a mixture of about 50/50 white vinegar and water seems to neutralize the odor so it isn't tempting for the other cats. As for Polar Bear, he doesn't see cats as snacks, he sees them as another version of a squeaky play toy that self motivates - FAST - and he loves it. The other cats are, for the most part, used to it but Oz showed no sense of humor and no desire to play the first time around. Again, time will tell. k On 11/5/12, Lee Evans wrote: > If the dog doesn't try to make Oz into a snack, the two will eventually get > used to each other and set ground rules. As for Oz and spraying, it's > sometimes the neighborhood fighters that give up the whole thing as a bad > idea once they find themselves neutered and cared for by a loving human and > never spray again. Like I said in another post on this topic, the horrid > odor that accompanies an intact male cat totally disappears once they are > neutered and all that you are left with is a spritz of pee that can be > washed off with lemon detergent or something else pleasant. Most of my > enthusiastic sprayers gave it up after they realized that they were living > with a family of rescued cats, no one was their enemy any more and they > didn't have to set territorial boundaries. Now they stick to having a hissy > fit occasionally, maybe a face slapping contest but I haven't had a real > battle or full wall spray job in over two years. My problem here is that > lots > of the cats "think" outside of the box. This is an issue that calls for a > plastic paint scraper to pick up the offering and a bucket lined with a > plastic bag to drop it in. After everything is cleaned up, it's mop and > pail time and the house is back to normal until the next day. Sigh. For > this I needed a college degree. > > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > > > >>____ >> From: Martha Walton >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 11:22 AM >>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty >> >> >>Kat, you have such a big heart. Oz, Miss Kitty are lucky felines. Thanks >> everybody in this group for being so supportive to animals & their humans. >> >> >>On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 12:18 PM, katskat1 wrote: >> >>Thanks all. >>> >>>Surprisingly, Oz appears to have sprayed once and nothing since. When >>>I brought him home from the vet his poor mouth hurt and all he did was >>>drink water and sleep. Now he is up and about, tried leaving the >>>bathroom once, and while the other cats hissed at him and the dog >>>tried to chase him, nobody sprayed or fought. Miss Kitty hisses at >>>everybody so they hiss back. It will take a while. >>> >>>I did get some felaway today to keep on hand. >>> >>>Kat >>> >>>On 11/1/12, Kathryn Green wrote: >>>> Tomorrow morning Ozzy goes in for neuter, exam, testing and >>>> vaccinations. Following day Miss Kitty goes with me to pick up Ozzy >>>> to get her exam and vaccinations. >>>> >>>> Gonna have to rob a bank for this but want to get it done quickly as >>>> Oz is causing some unrest within the ranks. My other cats seem to be >>>> jealous of an intact male and wanna get thru the door to prove they >>>> were here first - or something! >>>> >>>> So far they are both doing well. >>>> >>>> Kat >>>> >>> >>>___ >>>Felvtalk mailing list >>>Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >> >>___ >>Felvtalk mailing list >>Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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While we are on this subject, my Harley is my problem. He was born on his owner's lap and has never been outside before I got him at 3 months. He goes out for 2 or 3 hours during the day. He and the others go down on the ground to do their thing and then most come back on the deck to lounge in the sunshine. My problem is that in the last month or so Harley insists on being outside all day, 24/7. He is acting more like a feral and when I refuse to let him out he waits until I am looking and then sprays, usually within 3 or 4 feet of me. I can see it on his face, "I said I want out! Let me out or I will spray everything in site, not to mention pace the floor, deliberatly knock theings down." I have never seen this problem on "My Cat From Hell". Usually bad behavior comes from trauma in their past. He has alsways had a loving home with people. Where does this come from? He is also super active, like a Savannah, jumps so high he hts his head on the ceiling when chasing a moth or fly. katskat1 wrote: > Lee, > > I don't think Oz is going to end up being a sprayer but we will have > to wait and see how he handles it once he come out of solitude and, > hopefully, begins interacting with the other cats. I suspect he may > end up being a loner but that remains to be seen. > > As for clean up with mop and pail, my problem is the carpeting in the > bedrooms. I have laminate flooring in the kitchen/lr/dr but carpet in > the bedroom which is, of course where he sprayed his smelly tomcat > marker. Right on the doorframe between the master bath and bedroom. I > found that a mixture of about 50/50 white vinegar and water seems to > neutralize the odor so it isn't tempting for the other cats. > > As for Polar Bear, he doesn't see cats as snacks, he sees them as > another version of a squeaky play toy that self motivates - FAST - and > he loves it. The other cats are, for the most part, used to it but Oz > showed no sense of humor and no desire to play the first time around. > Again, time will tell. > > k > > On 11/5/12, Lee Evans wrote: > > If the dog doesn't try to make Oz into a snack, the two will eventually get > > used to each other and set ground rules. As for Oz and spraying, it's > > sometimes the neighborhood fighters that give up the whole thing as a bad > > idea once they find themselves neutered and cared for by a loving human and > > never spray again. Like I said in another post on this topic, the horrid > > odor that accompanies an intact male cat totally disappears once they are > > neutered and all that you are left with is a spritz of pee that can be > > washed off with lemon detergent or something else pleasant. Most of my > > enthusiastic sprayers gave it up after they realized that they were living > > with a family of rescued cats, no one was their enemy any more and they > > didn't have to set territorial boundaries. Now they stick to having a hissy > > fit occasionally, maybe a face slapping contest but I haven't had a real > > battle or full wall spray job in over two years. My problem here is that > > lots > > of the cats "think" outside of the box. This is an issue that calls for a > > plastic paint scraper to pick up the offering and a bucket lined with a > > plastic bag to drop it in. After everything is cleaned up, it's mop and > > pail time and the house is back to normal until the next day. Sigh. For > > this I needed a college degree. > > > > > > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > > neighbors too! > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> From: Martha Walton > >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 11:22 AM > >>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty > >> > >> > >>Kat, you have such a big heart. Oz, Miss Kitty are lucky felines. Thanks > >> everybody in this group for being so supportive to animals & their humans. > >> > >> > >>On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 12:18 PM, katskat1 wrote: > >> > >>Thanks all. > >>> > >>>Surprisingly, Oz appears to have sprayed once and nothing since. When > >>>I brought him home from the vet his poor mouth hurt and all he did was > >>>drink water and sleep. Now he is up and about, tried leaving the > >>>bathroom once, and while the other cats hissed at him and the dog > >>>tried to chase him, nobody sprayed or fought. Miss Kitty hisses at > >>>everybody so they hiss back. It will take a while. >
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Can you enclose with wire mesh a back porch or have someone construct an outside cat escape-safe enclosure? Sounds like Harley needs a little change of scenery. I have an enclosure here for some problem cats as well as the overflow from my cat room. They are perfectly happy to watch birds, deer, coons and other critters from the enclosure because they feel that they are outside. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! > > From: "dlg...@windstream.net" >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 2:43 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty > >While we are on this subject, my Harley is my problem. He was born on his >owner's lap and has never been outside before I got him at 3 months. He goes >out for 2 or 3 hours during the day. He and the others go down on the ground >to do their thing and then most come back on the deck to lounge in the >sunshine. My problem is that in the last month or so Harley insists on being >outside all day, 24/7. He is acting more like a feral and when I refuse to >let him out he waits until I am looking and then sprays, usually within 3 or 4 >feet of me. I can see it on his face, "I said I want out! Let me out or I >will spray everything in site, not to mention pace the floor, deliberatly >knock theings down." I have never seen this problem on "My Cat From Hell". >Usually bad behavior comes from trauma in their past. He has alsways had a >loving home with people. Where does this come from? He is also super active, >like a Savannah, jumps so high he hts his head on the ceiling when chasing a moth or fly. > katskat1 wrote: >> Lee, >> >> I don't think Oz is going to end up being a sprayer but we will have >> to wait and see how he handles it once he come out of solitude and, >> hopefully, begins interacting with the other cats. I suspect he may >> end up being a loner but that remains to be seen. >> >> As for clean up with mop and pail, my problem is the carpeting in the >> bedrooms. I have laminate flooring in the kitchen/lr/dr but carpet in >> the bedroom which is, of course where he sprayed his smelly tomcat >> marker. Right on the doorframe between the master bath and bedroom. I >> found that a mixture of about 50/50 white vinegar and water seems to >> neutralize the odor so it isn't tempting for the other cats. >> >> As for Polar Bear, he doesn't see cats as snacks, he sees them as >> another version of a squeaky play toy that self motivates - FAST - and >> he loves it. The other cats are, for the most part, used to it but Oz >> showed no sense of humor and no desire to play the first time around. >> Again, time will tell. >> >> k >> >> On 11/5/12, Lee Evans wrote: >> > If the dog doesn't try to make Oz into a snack, the two will eventually get >> > used to each other and set ground rules. As for Oz and spraying, it's >> > sometimes the neighborhood fighters that give up the whole thing as a bad >> > idea once they find themselves neutered and cared for by a loving human and >> > never spray again. Like I said in another post on this topic, the horrid >> > odor that accompanies an intact male cat totally disappears once they are >> > neutered and all that you are left with is a spritz of pee that can be >> > washed off with lemon detergent or something else pleasant. Most of my >> > enthusiastic sprayers gave it up after they realized that they were living >> > with a family of rescued cats, no one was their enemy any more and they >> > didn't have to set territorial boundaries. Now they stick to having a >> > hissy >> > fit occasionally, maybe a face slapping contest but I haven't had a real >> > battle or full wall spray job in over two years. My problem here is that >> > lots >> > of the cats "think" outside of the box. This is an issue that calls for a >> > plastic paint scraper to pick up the offering and a bucket lined with a >> > plastic bag to drop it in. After everything is cleaned up, it's mop and >> > pail time and the house is back to normal until the next day. Sigh. For >> > this I needed a college degree. >> > >> > >> > >> > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty >> > neighbors too! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> From: Martha Walton >> >>To: fel
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-i THINK i WILL HAVE TO DO THAT! Had 20 acres logged this year and think I am going to have to spedn all my earnings on Harley. Right now, he is coming in and jumping on the desk, then off, then on, than off. He either wants out, attention or food. Can't go out because it is 42, raining and windy. Don't want a big vet bill and have to give him meds. He is not a good patient! Maybe I will take a nap. Especially if I turn on the electric blanket. Then he will quiet down. It is only when I am up and home that he does this. When I am gone, nothing happens. It cannot be that he wants to be held and loved, he only tolerates that mushy stuff for a minute or two, then wants down. --- Lee Evans wrote: > Can you enclose with wire mesh a back porch or have someone construct an outside cat escape-safe enclosure? Sounds like Harley needs a little change of scenery. I have an enclosure here for some problem cats as well as the overflow from my cat room. They are perfectly happy to watch birds, deer, coons and other critters from the enclosure because they feel that they are outside. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! > > From: "dlg...@windstream.net" >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 2:43 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty > >While we are on this subject, my Harley is my problem. He was born on his owner's lap and has never been outside before I got him at 3 months. He goes out for 2 or 3 hours during the day. He and the others go down on the ground to do their thing and then most come back on the deck to lounge in the sunshine. My problem is that in the last month or so Harley insists on being outside all day, 24/7. He is acting more like a feral and when I refuse to let him out he waits until I am looking and then sprays, usually within 3 or 4 feet of me. I can see it on his face, "I said I want out! Let me out or I will spray everything in site, not to mention pace the floor, deliberatly knock theings down." I have never seen this problem on "My Cat From Hell". Usually bad behavior comes from trauma in their past. He has alsways had a loving home with people. Where does this come from? He is also super active, like a Savannah, jumps so high he hts > his head on the ceiling when chasing a moth or fly. > katskat1 wrote: >> Lee, >> >> I don't think Oz is going to end up being a sprayer but we will have >> to wait and see how he handles it once he come out of solitude and, >> hopefully, begins interacting with the other cats. I suspect he may >> end up being a loner but that remains to be seen. >> >> As for clean up with mop and pail, my problem is the carpeting in the >> bedrooms. I have laminate flooring in the kitchen/lr/dr but carpet in >> the bedroom which is, of course where he sprayed his smelly tomcat >> marker. Right on the doorframe between the master bath and bedroom. I >> found that a mixture of about 50/50 white vinegar and water seems to >> neutralize the odor so it isn't tempting for the other cats. >> >> As for Polar Bear, he doesn't see cats as snacks, he sees them as >> another version of a squeaky play toy that self motivates - FAST - and >> he loves it. The other cats are, for the most part, used to it but Oz >> showed no sense of humor and no desire to play the first time around. >> Again, time will tell. >> >> k >> >> On 11/5/12, Lee Evans wrote: >> > If the dog doesn't try to make Oz into a snack, the two will eventually get >> > used to each other and set ground rules. As for Oz and spraying, it's >> > sometimes the neighborhood fighters that give up the whole thing as a bad >> > idea once they find themselves neutered and cared for by a loving human and >> > never spray again. Like I said in another post on this topic, the horrid >> > odor that accompanies an intact male cat totally disappears once they are >> > neutered and all that you are left with is a spritz of pee that can be >> > washed off with lemon detergent or something else pleasant. Most of my >> > enthusiastic sprayers gave it up after they realized that they were living >> > with a family of rescued cats, no one was their enemy any more and they >> > didn't have to set territorial boundaries. Now they stick to having a hissy >> > fit occasionally, maybe a face slapping contest but I haven't had a real >> > battle or full wall spray job in over two years. My problem here is that >> > lots >> > of the cats "think" o
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OOPS! just realized this was not about Harley, but it sure can apply to him. --- Lee Evans wrote: > Can you enclose with wire mesh a back porch or have someone construct an outside cat escape-safe enclosure? Sounds like Harley needs a little change of scenery. I have an enclosure here for some problem cats as well as the overflow from my cat room. They are perfectly happy to watch birds, deer, coons and other critters from the enclosure because they feel that they are outside. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! > > From: "dlg...@windstream.net" >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 2:43 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty > >While we are on this subject, my Harley is my problem. He was born on his owner's lap and has never been outside before I got him at 3 months. He goes out for 2 or 3 hours during the day. He and the others go down on the ground to do their thing and then most come back on the deck to lounge in the sunshine. My problem is that in the last month or so Harley insists on being outside all day, 24/7. He is acting more like a feral and when I refuse to let him out he waits until I am looking and then sprays, usually within 3 or 4 feet of me. I can see it on his face, "I said I want out! Let me out or I will spray everything in site, not to mention pace the floor, deliberatly knock theings down." I have never seen this problem on "My Cat From Hell". Usually bad behavior comes from trauma in their past. He has alsways had a loving home with people. Where does this come from? He is also super active, like a Savannah, jumps so high he hts > his head on the ceiling when chasing a moth or fly. > katskat1 wrote: >> Lee, >> >> I don't think Oz is going to end up being a sprayer but we will have >> to wait and see how he handles it once he come out of solitude and, >> hopefully, begins interacting with the other cats. I suspect he may >> end up being a loner but that remains to be seen. >> >> As for clean up with mop and pail, my problem is the carpeting in the >> bedrooms. I have laminate flooring in the kitchen/lr/dr but carpet in >> the bedroom which is, of course where he sprayed his smelly tomcat >> marker. Right on the doorframe between the master bath and bedroom. I >> found that a mixture of about 50/50 white vinegar and water seems to >> neutralize the odor so it isn't tempting for the other cats. >> >> As for Polar Bear, he doesn't see cats as snacks, he sees them as >> another version of a squeaky play toy that self motivates - FAST - and >> he loves it. The other cats are, for the most part, used to it but Oz >> showed no sense of humor and no desire to play the first time around. >> Again, time will tell. >> >> k >> >> On 11/5/12, Lee Evans wrote: >> > If the dog doesn't try to make Oz into a snack, the two will eventually get >> > used to each other and set ground rules. As for Oz and spraying, it's >> > sometimes the neighborhood fighters that give up the whole thing as a bad >> > idea once they find themselves neutered and cared for by a loving human and >> > never spray again. Like I said in another post on this topic, the horrid >> > odor that accompanies an intact male cat totally disappears once they are >> > neutered and all that you are left with is a spritz of pee that can be >> > washed off with lemon detergent or something else pleasant. Most of my >> > enthusiastic sprayers gave it up after they realized that they were living >> > with a family of rescued cats, no one was their enemy any more and they >> > didn't have to set territorial boundaries. Now they stick to having a hissy >> > fit occasionally, maybe a face slapping contest but I haven't had a real >> > battle or full wall spray job in over two years. My problem here is that >> > lots >> > of the cats "think" outside of the box. This is an issue that calls for a >> > plastic paint scraper to pick up the offering and a bucket lined with a >> > plastic bag to drop it in. After everything is cleaned up, it's mop and >> > pail time and the house is back to normal until the next day. Sigh. For >> > this I needed a college degree. >> > >> > >> > >> > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty >> > neighbors too! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>
Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty
It IS about Harley. Since he wants to be outside, he could be if he had a nice escape proof enclosure so the wood creatures, both nasty and nice can't get to him nor he to them and he and some of his house mates can still enjoy the "great outdoors" without jeopardizing their lives or your sanity. Harley sounds like my Romeo who managed in one year, at my former home to vanish completely for two weeks, return, vanish again and return with a broken front leg. That was it for me. At the new place, which is in the middle of woods somewhere in Texas he now has an enclosure with access to a large shed, complete with donated air conditioner (it's hot here about 9 months of the year) and his 8 companion problem and non-problem cats. Romeo was always an inside cat, always a spritzer and always a problem because he used to like to pick fights with everyone, even girl cats. Now he's a mellow fellow and stops to smell the roses (actually weeds, no roses available). I'm forwarding some pictures my friend took of my cat sanctuary. It cost me about $700 but it's very large, originally housed 14 cats. Three passed away and 2 went back up the hill (steep driveway) to my cat room. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! > > From: "dlg...@windstream.net" >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Cc: Lee Evans >Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 3:55 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty > >OOPS! just realized this was not about Harley, but it sure can apply to him. > > >--- Lee Evans wrote: > Can you enclose with wire mesh a back porch or have >someone construct an outside cat escape-safe enclosure? Sounds like Harley >needs a little change of scenery. I have an enclosure here for some problem >cats as well as the overflow from my cat room. They are perfectly happy to >watch birds, deer, coons and other critters from the enclosure because they >feel that they are outside. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your >weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! > > >From: "dlg...@windstream.net" >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Monday, >November 5, 2012 2:43 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty > >While >we are on this subject, my Harley is my problem. He was born on his owner's >lap and has never been outside before I got him at 3 months. He goes out for >2 or 3 hours during the day. He and the others go down on the ground to do >their thing and then most come back on the deck to lounge in the sunshine. My problem is that in the last month or so Harley insists on being outside all day, 24/7. He is acting more like a feral and when I refuse to let him out he waits until I am looking and then sprays, usually within 3 or 4 feet of me. I can see it on his face, "I said I want out! Let me out or I will spray everything in site, not to mention pace the floor, deliberatly knock theings down." I have never seen this problem on "My Cat From Hell". Usually bad behavior comes from trauma in their past. He has alsways had a loving home with people. Where does this come from? He is also super active, like a Savannah, jumps >___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge
Hi folks, I have only been lurking on the list for the past year or so. Some of you may remember me. I lost Cher, Midnight, Lisa and Suzy to the leukemia in a 6 month period in 2004. Today, we came home to find their mother, Miss Kitty dead. She had been having some kidney issues related to the leukemia, but was responding to the medications. Just last night, she had caught a small lizard. She was OK this morning. She ate her breakfast, she's been scratching on her scratching pad and acting only a little less than she would normally. This whole ride with her and the kittens has been tough. It's our first experience with FeLV and it's been HELL! I still wouldn't have put her & the kittens to sleep when we rescued them in July 2003. I just couldn't do it. Our vet recommended the same fate for Miss Kitty when we took her there about a month ago when her kidney issues flaired. We gave her 3 years of life that she would not have had otherwise and I don't regret any of it. She was a sweet, precious soul who didn't deserve the fate God handed her. May she rest softly with her babies at Rainbow Bridge. Please add her to the Candlelight Service for Monday. Thanks for being there when I needed you all. Brenda Lyons
Thanks for your caring about Miss Kitty
I just wanted to let you all know how much it means to have such a caring group to share this FeLV experience with. We've had cats for over 20 years and, to be quite honest, I never paid much attention when the vets always suggested vaccinating for FeLV because I had never had ANY experience with it. Well...I feel like an expert now after the last 3 years with Miss Kitty and her family. As I said in my previous e-mail, it has been HELL both emotionally and financially, but we just couldn't back away from the situation in summer 2003. How do you kill a mother & 7 kittens?? You can't. Anyway, I am now pretty addicted to lurking on this talk list and will continue to monitor what's going on. I really appreciate all the information I've gleaned from each of you and pray that someday there will be a cure for this awful disease. Thanks to you all for being there to listen and care. If I can ever help in any way including transport through central North Carolina or south central Virginia, please contact me via this list. Thanks from the bottom of my heart! Brenda Lyons
Re: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge
I am so sorry. elizabeth In a message dated 6/24/2006 7:11:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi folks, I have only been lurking on the list for the past year or so. Some of you may remember me. I lost Cher, Midnight, Lisa and Suzy to the leukemia in a 6 month period in 2004. Today, we came home to find their mother, Miss Kitty dead. She had been having some kidney issues related to the leukemia, but was responding to the medications. Just last night, she had caught a small lizard. She was OK this morning. She ate her breakfast, she's been scratching on her scratching pad and acting only a little less than she would normally. This whole ride with her and the kittens has been tough. It's our first experience with FeLV and it's been HELL! I still wouldn't have put her & the kittens to sleep when we rescued them in July 2003. I just couldn't do it. Our vet recommended the same fate for Miss Kitty when we took her there about a month ago when her kidney issues flaired. We gave her 3 years of life that she would not have had otherwise and I don't regret any of it. She was a sweet, precious soul who didn't deserve the fate God handed her. May she rest softly with her babies at Rainbow Bridge. Please add her to the Candlelight Service for Monday. Thanks for being there when I needed you all. Brenda Lyons
Re: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge
Hi Brenda! It's wonderful to hear from you despite the sad circumstances... :( I'm sure Miss Kitty is receiving a fine homecoming from her babies! That is my only consolation when Sleepypants must leave us...that he will be reunited with his mom and brothers and the family will be whole again! Please take care and let us know if you need anything at all! Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George "The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long..." --Blade Runner - Original Message - From: Tim Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, June 24, 2006 7:12 pm Subject: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Hi folks, > > I have only been lurking on the list for the past year or so. Some > of you > may remember me. I lost Cher, Midnight, Lisa and Suzy to the > leukemia in a > 6 month period in 2004. Today, we came home to find their mother, > MissKitty dead. She had been having some kidney issues related to > the leukemia, > but was responding to the medications. Just last night, she had > caught a > small lizard. She was OK this morning. She ate her breakfast, > she's been > scratching on her scratching pad and acting only a little less > than she > would normally. > > This whole ride with her and the kittens has been tough. It's our > firstexperience with FeLV and it's been HELL! I still wouldn't > have put her & > the kittens to sleep when we rescued them in July 2003. I just > couldn't do > it. Our vet recommended the same fate for Miss Kitty when we took > her there > about a month ago when her kidney issues flaired. > > We gave her 3 years of life that she would not have had otherwise > and I > don't regret any of it. She was a sweet, precious soul who didn't > deservethe fate God handed her. > > May she rest softly with her babies at Rainbow Bridge. Please add > her to > the Candlelight Service for Monday. > > Thanks for being there when I needed you all. > > Brenda Lyons >
Re: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge
I'm really sorry for the awful experiences you've had, but God bless you for being such a caring person! Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: Tim Lyons To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:50 PM Subject: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge Hi folks, I have only been lurking on the list for the past year or so. Some of you may remember me. I lost Cher, Midnight, Lisa and Suzy to the leukemia in a 6 month period in 2004. Today, we came home to find their mother, Miss Kitty dead. She had been having some kidney issues related to the leukemia, but was responding to the medications. Just last night, she had caught a small lizard. She was OK this morning. She ate her breakfast, she's been scratching on her scratching pad and acting only a little less than she would normally. This whole ride with her and the kittens has been tough. It's our first experience with FeLV and it's been HELL! I still wouldn't have put her & the kittens to sleep when we rescued them in July 2003. I just couldn't do it. Our vet recommended the same fate for Miss Kitty when we took her there about a month ago when her kidney issues flaired. We gave her 3 years of life that she would not have had otherwise and I don't regret any of it. She was a sweet, precious soul who didn't deserve the fate God handed her. May she rest softly with her babies at Rainbow Bridge. Please add her to the Candlelight Service for Monday. Thanks for being there when I needed you all. Brenda Lyons
Re: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge
Hugs to you, Brenda. Goodnight, sweet Miss Kitty... =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec & Salome' =^..^= Cool Catholic Stuff! Click Here --> www.TotallyCatholic.com/Theresa Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350Come check me out on MySpace at http://www.myspace.com/terricrazycatlady - Original Message - From: Tim Lyons To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:50 PM Subject: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge Hi folks, I have only been lurking on the list for the past year or so. Some of you may remember me. I lost Cher, Midnight, Lisa and Suzy to the leukemia in a 6 month period in 2004. Today, we came home to find their mother, Miss Kitty dead. She had been having some kidney issues related to the leukemia, but was responding to the medications. Just last night, she had caught a small lizard. She was OK this morning. She ate her breakfast, she's been scratching on her scratching pad and acting only a little less than she would normally. This whole ride with her and the kittens has been tough. It's our first experience with FeLV and it's been HELL! I still wouldn't have put her & the kittens to sleep when we rescued them in July 2003. I just couldn't do it. Our vet recommended the same fate for Miss Kitty when we took her there about a month ago when her kidney issues flaired. We gave her 3 years of life that she would not have had otherwise and I don't regret any of it. She was a sweet, precious soul who didn't deserve the fate God handed her. May she rest softly with her babies at Rainbow Bridge. Please add her to the Candlelight Service for Monday. Thanks for being there when I needed you all. Brenda Lyons
Re: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge
GLOW to you and yours to ease your hearts and light Miss Kitty's path. I'm so proud of you for taking on what you knew would be heartwrenching in the end. But I remain convinced (and it sounds like you do too) that the time we can give them is priceless and the love they give in return without equal. Our thoughts and tears are with you. <<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>Tim Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi folks, I have only been lurking on the list for the past year or so. Some of you may remember me. I lost Cher, Midnight, Lisa and Suzy to the leukemia in a 6 month period in 2004. Today, we came home to find their mother, Miss Kitty dead. She had been having some kidney issues related to the leukemia, but was responding to the medications. Just last night, she had caught a small lizard. She was OK this morning. She ate her breakfast, she's been scratching on her scratching pad and acting only a little less than she would normally. This whole ride with her and the kittens has been tough. It's our first experience with FeLV and it's been HELL! I still wouldn't have put her & the kittens to sleep when we rescued them in July 2003. I just couldn't do it. Our vet recommended the same fate for Miss Kitty when we took her there about a month ago when her kidney issues flaired. We gave her 3 years of life that she would not have had otherwise and I don't regret any of it. She was a sweet, precious soul who didn't deserve the fate God handed her. May she rest softly with her babies at Rainbow Bridge. Please add her to the Candlelight Service for Monday. Thanks for being there when I needed you all. Brenda LyonsBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge
Brenda bless you for taking care of Miss Kitty and her babies,they are happy together now. SherryTim Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi folks, I have only been lurking on the list for the past year or so. Some of you may remember me. I lost Cher, Midnight, Lisa and Suzy to the leukemia in a 6 month period in 2004. Today, we came home to find their mother, Miss Kitty dead. She had been having some kidney issues related to the leukemia, but was responding to the medications. Just last night, she had caught a small lizard. She was OK this morning. She ate her breakfast, she's been scratching on her scratching pad and acting only a little less than she would normally. This whole ride with her and the kittens has been tough. It's our first experience with FeLV and it's been HELL! I still wouldn't have put her & the kittens to sleep when we rescued them in July 2003. I just couldn't do it. Our vet recommended the same fate for Miss Kitty when we took her there about a month ago when her kidney issues flaired. We gave her 3 years of life that she would not have had otherwise and I don't regret any of it. She was a sweet, precious soul who didn't deserve the fate God handed her. May she rest softly with her babies at Rainbow Bridge. Please add her to the Candlelight Service for Monday. Thanks for being there when I needed you all. Brenda Lyons Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge
Dear Brenda I'm so, so sorry for what you've been through these last couple of years--many of us here can sadly relate only too well--and I'm thinking of you tonight and crying with you as you grieve for your precious Miss Kitty. As others have said, I'm just so glad Miss Kitty and her kittens knew what it was to be dearly loved right to the end. Thanks for caring for these sweet souls, Kerry - Original Message - From: Tim Lyons To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:50 PM Subject: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge Hi folks, I have only been lurking on the list for the past year or so. Some of you may remember me. I lost Cher, Midnight, Lisa and Suzy to the leukemia in a 6 month period in 2004. Today, we came home to find their mother, Miss Kitty dead. She had been having some kidney issues related to the leukemia, but was responding to the medications. Just last night, she had caught a small lizard. She was OK this morning. She ate her breakfast, she's been scratching on her scratching pad and acting only a little less than she would normally. This whole ride with her and the kittens has been tough. It's our first experience with FeLV and it's been HELL! I still wouldn't have put her & the kittens to sleep when we rescued them in July 2003. I just couldn't do it. Our vet recommended the same fate for Miss Kitty when we took her there about a month ago when her kidney issues flaired. We gave her 3 years of life that she would not have had otherwise and I don't regret any of it. She was a sweet, precious soul who didn't deserve the fate God handed her. May she rest softly with her babies at Rainbow Bridge. Please add her to the Candlelight Service for Monday. Thanks for being there when I needed you all. Brenda Lyons
Re: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge
My sympathy goes out to you for all your losses. Phaewryn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.3/374 - Release Date: 6/23/2006
Re: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge
Brenda, I read so many of these posts, but reading yours I still could barely hold back tears. I can't believe what you have gone through. Bless you for giving them all life. I know it is very little consolation, but it is good that when she went she went fast, and did not suffer. I hope that I go so quickly when I go, that I eat and feel well the morning of my death. I am so, so sorry though. Michelle
Re: Thanks for your caring about Miss Kitty
I was very sad to read about Miss Kitty's passing. You helped her and her kids out, when many would not have done the same. I think there are people who are wont to give in to treating animals like appliances, and if the cat "doesn't work" then they take it back or get rid of it. Possibly a side effect of our consumerist society? Anyway, you put yourself through the emotional and financial hell to help innocents who needed and deserved that help. Thank you for caring FOR Miss Kitty.
Re: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge
Brenda, I'm so sorry to hear about your beloved Miss Kitty. It was a comfort to me when reading your story that she felt fine right up until she passed away. What a blessing. So many kitties suffer for weeks until they finally pass. I hope that all the wonderful memories and what you did to make her short life a happy one will comfort you as you grieve for sweet Miss Kitty. Bless you for what you did for her and her babies. :) Wendy --- Tim Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have only been lurking on the list for the past > year or so. Some of you > may remember me. I lost Cher, Midnight, Lisa and > Suzy to the leukemia in a > 6 month period in 2004. Today, we came home to find > their mother, Miss > Kitty dead. She had been having some kidney issues > related to the leukemia, > but was responding to the medications. Just last > night, she had caught a > small lizard. She was OK this morning. She ate her > breakfast, she's been > scratching on her scratching pad and acting only a > little less than she > would normally. > > This whole ride with her and the kittens has been > tough. It's our first > experience with FeLV and it's been HELL! I still > wouldn't have put her & > the kittens to sleep when we rescued them in July > 2003. I just couldn't do > it. Our vet recommended the same fate for Miss > Kitty when we took her there > about a month ago when her kidney issues flaired. > > We gave her 3 years of life that she would not have > had otherwise and I > don't regret any of it. She was a sweet, precious > soul who didn't deserve > the fate God handed her. > > May she rest softly with her babies at Rainbow > Bridge. Please add her to > the Candlelight Service for Monday. > > Thanks for being there when I needed you all. > > Brenda Lyons > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Thanks for your caring about Miss Kitty
Brenda, My grandma and dad's side of the family live in Greensboro. I go visit her once a year. Beautiful country. :) Wendy --- Tim Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just wanted to let you all know how much it means > to have such a caring > group to share this FeLV experience with. We've had > cats for over 20 years > and, to be quite honest, I never paid much attention > when the vets always > suggested vaccinating for FeLV because I had never > had ANY experience with > it. Well...I feel like an expert now after the last > 3 years with Miss Kitty > and her family. As I said in my previous e-mail, it > has been HELL both > emotionally and financially, but we just couldn't > back away from the > situation in summer 2003. How do you kill a mother > & 7 kittens?? You > can't. > > Anyway, I am now pretty addicted to lurking on this > talk list and will > continue to monitor what's going on. I really > appreciate all the > information I've gleaned from each of you and pray > that someday there will > be a cure for this awful disease. Thanks to you all > for being there to > listen and care. If I can ever help in any way > including transport through > central North Carolina or south central Virginia, > please contact me via this > list. > > Thanks from the bottom of my heart! > > Brenda Lyons > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge
And knowing you are totally and unconditionally loved. Miss Kitty and her babies left with that total knowledge. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge Brenda, I read so many of these posts, but reading yours I still could barely hold back tears. I can't believe what you have gone through. Bless you for giving them all life. I know it is very little consolation, but it is good that when she went she went fast, and did not suffer. I hope that I go so quickly when I go, that I eat and feel well the morning of my death. I am so, so sorry though. Michelle No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006
Re: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge
Brenda, I remember you and you have my condolences as well. tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brenda, I read so many of these posts, but reading yours I still could barely hold back tears. I can't believe what you have gone through. Bless you for giving them all life. I know it is very little consolation, but it is good that when she went she went fast, and did not suffer. I hope that I go so quickly when I go, that I eat and feel well the morning of my death. I am so, so sorry though. Michelle
